How do men with constrained options choose which women deserve their commitment and emotional and resource treasure? There’s a hierarchy to the order of settling for Men Without Options (M-WOs) and Men With Limited Options (M-LOs), but before we get to that, we need to clarify our premises so that we can better understand the settling hierarchy. A man with limitless sexual market options — aka a man who has his pick of the kitty litter aka a super alpha — wants and desires the same thing that a man with no options wants and desires; specifically, a young woman with a pretty face, a slender hourglass-shaped body and a feminine, becoming temperament.
The only difference between the piss-stained homeless bum and the captain of industry is the ability of each to fulfill his shared desire for young, slender babes. That’s it. The desires are the same but the fulfillment of those desires varies wildly from man to man.
Any fat chick who tells you that her repulsive condition is Ok because at least fat men will always be there for her misunderstands the nature of the sexual market. Fat men without compensating male attractiveness traits will only be there for her because they have no other choice; expand (heh) the fat man’s options through, say, wealth or game or wit or social status cues, and his reluctance to settle for fat chicks rises in proportion to his increasing options among thinner, sexier women.
Thus, the hierarchy of settling that describes men with options is not very interesting. It would be a short ranking that starts and ends at “young, hot, tight, sweet”. At the very top of the alpha male heap, there is no settling at all. A few super alphas have practically unlimited choice in women, and their cornucuntia could not be exhausted given one hundred lifetimes of skirt-chasing.
At the bottom end of the male SMV scale, the omega males and dick dregs lurk. Their settling order, too, would be a short ranking: it would begin and end at “take whatever female filth will have me”. A few are lucky to have internet connections and porn outlets, in which case the living flesh vaginas of obese monstrosities, toothless methheads and prognathic missing links can’t compete with remote digital simulacra and chafed fap hands.
As with the super alphas, the hierarchy of settling that describes men with no options is also not very interesting.
But what about the rest of menkind? How do the remaining 80% of men — men who are bound by involuntary restrictions lenient and punitive on their dating choices — decide how far down the female attractiveness ladder they’re willing to descend? What is the settling order of the masses of beta males who aren’t particularly attractive nor unattractive to women, but who struggle to acquire the kind of stimulating pussy they really want?
Legend
Hot = pretty face (objectively measurable, highly correlated with youth, 8-10 on looks scale)
Pretty = minor flaws (6-7 on looks scale)
Plain = medium flaws (4-5 on looks scale)
Ugly = major flaws (2-3 on looks scale)
Fugly = extinction level flaws (0-1 on looks scale)
Slender = hourglass figure, 17-22 BMI, 0.65-0.75 waist-hip ratio
Bangable = 23-24 BMI, 0.65-0.75 WHR
Chubby = 25-26 BMI, 0.75-0.80 BMI
Fat = 27-28 BMI, 0.75-0.80 WHR
Shaneequa = Same as Fat, except more hourglass, fat sits in rump, hips and pendulous tits
Sausage = Same as Fat, except more cylindrical, 0.80+ WHR
Formless Blob = 29+ BMI, WHR irrelevant at such sizes
Young = 15-25 (18-25 under existing legal constraints)
Less young = 26-30
Not So Young = 30-35
Older = 36-40
Old = 41-50
Expired = 50+ (invisible to men with options, last resort for men without options)
Sweet = feminine disposition (empathetic, nurturing, kind, generous, employed in female-oriented profession)
Sassy = femininity salted with sarcasm and insecurity
Dull = lacking in any discernible personality
Self-Centered = attention whore
Caustic = Angry, humorless, bitter, nasty
Man-Like = Aggressive, ambitious, cutting humor, selfish, slutty, employed in male-oriented field
N/A = Not applicable
Settling Order Of Men With Limited Options
1. Hot/Slender/Young/Sweet
Most of these girls are scooped up by alpha males. For a night, at least.
2. Hot/Bangable/Young/Sassy
Hotness and youth still exert the most influence on a man’s requirements in a lover, but the tier of men (lesser alpha) who must make some small concessions to snag a hot, young lover will generally accept in their women a few extra pounds and a little more annoying sassiness.
3. Pretty/Slender/Young/Sweet
Facial hotness is so crucial to a woman’s dating success that when men have to sacrifice a little bit of facial beauty in their lovers, they tend to tighten up their standards for the other three attractive female traits. Here we find the greater betas who are dating young 6s and 7s with very nice bodies and wonderful personalities.
4. Pretty/Bangable/Young/Sassy
Again, greater beta males and some lesser alphas populate this settling group. You’ll notice that the requirement for youth hasn’t yet budged a day past 25 years old. Men will choose youth and beauty before perfect bodily dimensions and heavenly femininity, particularly when LTRs are under consideration. (This post is primarily focused on LTRs, which is the romantic arrangement to which “settling” usually refers.)
5. Pretty/Bangable/Less Young/Sassy or Dull
Now we enter the realm of real sacrifice. Here you’ll find your established “good catch” beta males who must make painful concessions to achieve love with a pretty girl with a decent body. The first major concessions are usually age and personality — most men are willing to put up with annoying personality quirks and an upward age adjustment to enjoy the scenery of a pretty face and curvaceous, taut physique.
6. Pretty/Chubby/Less Young/Man-Like
What, chubby girls can be pretty?!? No. Most girls with naturally pretty faces who are twenty or more pounds overweight will have concealed whatever prettiness was there under a layer of blubber . The common refrain from desperate mothers trying to marry off their slacker sons — “but she has a such a pretty face” — is often a dead giveaway that the girl in question is a fatso. That said, there are very exceptional girls who can manage twenty extra pounds and keep a pretty face suitable for excellent blowjobs because the fat accumulates in places hidden by clothes. The slightly better than average beta male with something going on for himself will be forced into this settling category. He’ll take the extra pounds (can’t really be helped in modern America what with 70% of women obese or overweight), less sprightly upper range of youthfulness, and less sparkling personalities for a shot at a girl with a face that can inspire unbidden boners.
7. Plain/Chubby/Not So Young/Self-Centered
Welcome to beta male hell. Dear Average American Man, this is your life.
8. Ugly/Bangable/Not So Young or Older/Caustic
Here are your butterfaces. Broken beta divorcees sink to this level of settling. Very horny and indiscriminate alpha males (see: roids, teenage boys) will occasionally slum it with these ladies, but never consider them for LTRs.
9. Plain/Shaneequa/Not So Young/Caustic
See #7. Substitute black beta male for white beta male.
10. Ugly/Fat/Not So Young/Sweet
A man who has to settle for a fat chick is a lesser beta male, or an extremely depressed and unconfident beta male. He will try to get a fat chick who at least treats him like a king.
11. Ugly/Sausage/Older/Dull
Say goodbye to even a semblance of a human female shape.
12. Fugly/Formless Blob/Young or Less Young/Sweet
Some men must have youthful lovers, no matter what, because there is at least a chance their seed will find fertile ground, even if the ground is a patchwork of tar pits, quicksand, bulging calderas and deep sea trenches. Here you will find those skeezy losers who prey on impressionable young fatties with willing mouths.
13. Ugly/Fat/Old/N/A (sweetness is not possible for these women)
This is the omega male wheelhouse. The walking deadmen in this group would welcome a crossbow bolt to the head.
14. Fugly/Formless Blob/Expired/Man-Like
Why are you bothering? A furries outfit with a spooge valve would feel, and look, better.
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So there you have it. The fourteen-step settling order, from A to O.
Executive summary: Men will yield on feminine personality and a few extra pounds to get youthful and beautiful lovers, but the acceptable threshold for extra weight is met far more quickly than is the acceptable threshold for an unfeminine personality. A hot, young woman with a lawyerly in-your-face personality and with ten extra pounds distributed in a pleasing manner on her ass, thighs and tits is still more desirable than an older pretty woman with a perfect body and perfect disposition. But once the hot young babe starts to accumulate more than ten extra pounds, the older woman begins to look better and better as an LTR alternative.
Of course, past a certain age, weight, ugliness, or mannish disposition the choices become so dispiriting that men are hardly able to summon the motivation to lift a finger and pick out one grotesquerie from another.
i guess I am man-like because I will be a chemical engineer? what’s the problem? I have the other qualities… hot, slender, sweet.
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Solipsism, you have it.
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I know I don’t have it, because it is based on what other people tell me.
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lmao.
“Everyone tells me how wonderful and accomplished I am, and that I’m a catch! Therefore, it’s not my fault men don’t want me, it’s their fault!”
Not your words, just your logic, bitch.
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I am not saying men don’t want me lol I am just asking if there is any problem that I am an engineer.
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Honey, you’re a solipsistic bitch.
As for your “description”, it’s pure b.s. Post pics and then we discuss, moron.
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Almost no one will care if you’re an engineer, what matters more is being in shape/ having a presentable face.
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One of the hottest looking women I have ever met was an EE at my previous job.
That being said, she was a total nerd and absolutely, socially inept.
She was fun to look at and flirt with though, because she was totally clueless as to how beautiful she was. Too bad I was married at the time, because I would have banged that like a screen door in a hurricane.
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What’s your opinion on woman like me: hot/young/slender/sweet/engineer
?
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A unicorn.
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Some guys like the INTJ/STEM kind of gals. Most don’t.
If you’re just trying to do something short term it doesn’t matter as long as you keep your mouth shut.
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You got it, I am an INTJ! 😉
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Post pics or stop claiming to be hot & young.
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Quit looking for validation and go find a guy who owns an Internet company. That’s what the Miss Massachusetts who went on to get the MIT degree did. There are a lot of geeks looking for a girl like you: you’ll have your pick, and some of them are pretty rich.
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If you’re in a sausagefest field like engineering, it’s not unlikely that you think you’re more attractive than you are.
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“What’s your opinion on woman like me: hot/young/slender/sweet/engineer
?”
Probably really fucking boring in bed.
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Unless you’re a Hooters waitress, a lingerie model, or a dental assistant, no guy gives a shit about your career. Nor do we care how much you “sacrificed” for it either.
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“If you’re in a sausagefest field like engineering, it’s not unlikely that you think you’re more attractive than you are.”
actually, I will start my course this year, I’m not yet on the sausagefest field, so the reason why I know I am attractive are others. Seriously, every where I go there’s someone who randomly come and tell me that I am VERY beautiful: kids, older woman, guys my age, older guys, girls my age… people I know, people I don’t know, so I just assume that I am probably very attractove otherwise people wouldn’t do it.
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the reason why I know I am attractive are others. Seriously, every where I go there’s someone who randomly come and tell me that I am VERY beautiful: kids, older woman, guys my age, older guys, girls my age… people I know, people I don’t know, so I just assume that I am probably very attractove otherwise people wouldn’t do it.
Wow – whoever first said “solipsism,” way up thread, really hit the nail on the head [rather presciently, I might add].
Anyway, if you can be believed, then the guys ought to be all over you like flies on – er, ah – like white on rice.
So if you aren’t being hit upon, then either
A) You have the personality of a Hillary Rodham Clinton or a Michelle Obama or a Janet Napolitano or a Donna Shalala, or
B) You hang around fags, or
C) The boys your age are downloading so much pr0n and whacking off so repeatedly that they don’t have any energy remaining for a real-life flesh-n-blood human girl [which I hear is actually a pretty serious problem for young women nowadays].
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I just assume that I am probably very attractove otherwise people wouldn’t do it.
That doesn’t mean anything. When I used to be friends with fat bitches on Facebook, their friends were always buttering them up on how HOT they looked in such-and-such a picture. It was gross.
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troll
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“That doesn’t mean anything. When I used to be friends with fat bitches on Facebook, their friends were always buttering them up on how HOT they looked in such-and-such a picture. It was gross.”
My case is different, I’ve been told I look very attractive by many, I say, many different people, in many different places, people who tell me I am very beautiful come from people younger than me, older than me, men, women, people stare at me when I am doing normal things such as shopping, wherever I go guys check me out. If I weren’t attractive that wouldn’t be my experience of life.
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The Man who said Solipsism, was right now let Whorefinder Rape you.
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“”Zombie Shane””: yes, I am hit constantly by guys. You all didn’t understand what I posted, it seems. I wasn’t complaining that guys don’t want me, as “whorefinder” stated. I was just saying, ”what’s the problem if I am an engineer?” Because, for heartiste, a girl who has a career in a male dominant field is supposedly man-like and undesirable. This is not my case because even though I am very smart and an aspiring engineer, many guys hit on me. I was also asking in my post that because he didn’t cited my group in his post so I would like to know your opinion on my group “hot, young, slender, sweet, man-like”.
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I would like to know your opinion on my group “hot, young, slender, sweet, man-like”
the first four qualities are in doubt.
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“the first four qualities are in doubt.”
you don’t need to believe me. Just answer, what would you think of a woman that has these characteristics?
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> you don’t need to believe me. Just answer, what would you think of a woman that has these characteristics?
How can one be sweet, young, hot, slender and MAN LIKE, let me imagine, wait what i didn’t see this creature neither i think it exist nor it should, because lets face it, being man like is not good it can turn you into a hideous beast, look at those lesbians and radical feminists, they are pretty much man like but lack the slender, young, hot, sweet particles, its because one can be tall but can’t be short at the same time, so one cannot be feminine and masculine at the same time, either be man like or pretend that you’re ““hot, young, slender, sweet” and tell guys on internet how guys howl at you and how unbelievably hot and attractive you are, please do us a favor POST SOME DAMN PICS than we can see how much attractive you are.
There was a woman before you feministx who said that she turns head and was a lesbian once { women and their attention whoring…} but as you can see here now she is everything but attractive.
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”JumboBeef”: I am not man-like, I say this because I will be an engineer, and heartiste said in this post that woman who are in a male dominant field are man-like…
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what would you think of a woman that has these characteristics?
i think she wouldn’t be trolling a pua blog.
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with man-like I mean engineer, hell, will my comment show up this time?
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why do you want to be man-like?
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I don’t want to be man-like, if you saw me, one of the first impressions you would have is that I am very feminine. I never thought that being an engineer would be a problem, but then I read this post that says woman in a male dominant field are man-like.
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where do you see yourself in 10 years?
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are you new here? if so, brace yourself….
As for man-like career, this perhaps might be the only one of Heartsy’s propositions, I do not agree with…but then I have a bias (lawyer)
Barring the fact that anyone can assert and ascribe whatever grandeous delusional claims they’d like to themselves, I have not had any problems dating some high quality men (if high quality is defined as the combination of confidence, success ($150,000+) and attractiveness (6.5-8). Infact, these are mainly the kind of men I interact with by virtue of social circle and work life. I have being in LTRs (and might be in the cusp of entering another LTR) with these kinds of men.
The assertion that MEN DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR PROFESSION is VERY MUCH TRUE but that could also work in your favour if you have a masculine profession. As long as you exude feminine qualities, coupled with a great body and a beautiful face, most guys will NOT CARE that you work in a masculine profession. My saving grace is that I am a tiny and short natural hourglassy with a baby-ish round looking face and a tiny voice as well. The going assumption is that I am “innocent” and “fragile”..until they know me. A key difference between low betas and high betas/alphas though is that the former will put up with as much sh*t tests and “crazy” you throw at them while the latter wouldn’t unless they belong to a tiny subset that actually enjoy crazy chicks.
TL:DR; Profession is irrelevant. What matters is how hot and feminine you are. This is great for girls who work in masculine fields because like Andrew from rules revisited says….you can at least control your femininity and your attractiveness(to an extent, of course).
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Disagree. I used to date girls like you because professional, SWPL circles were the spheres I ran in. I wouldn’t say I actively avoid you empowered-types nowadays, but, given the option, I will pick a non-career chick for everything from a ONS to a LTR. I think it is probably because biologically I know a non-career chick is less likely to think mostly about her self and to be a feminist, but more likely to be an attentive mother. I can’t help but feel that women like yourself would put my (non-existent) children on a lower level of concern than yourself. Doesn’t really lend itself to confidence about passing on one’s genes…
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I agree with everything you said Yeahokcool…makes sense. Yes, the probability is high that a considerable amount of time and energy will be most likely spent climbing the proverbial career ladder as opposed to raising babies. However, I am not going to rule out the possibility that I might be just as happy/content giving it up in a couple of years (I will be in my late twenties by then) to raise a couple of babies etc if my partner/man is dominant AND financially stable enough to take care of the family. In fact, on days like today where I have been up since 5am, I can’t help but day-dream about how I might really enjoy such a life. Sigh.
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You’ll be up at 5am with the kids too. Sorry to break it to you. 😉
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Good point!
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5AM? Try 2AM … with a child that is screaming like you are slowly flaying its skin off with a cheese grater. Enjoy.
Anyways… Olive, the issue you’ll have is that, given your profession, you’re most likely very Judge-y (ENTJ or ENFJ), probably talk a LOT, and probably have standards that most likely won’t be met by any one person. I wish you well.
∞
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@ Anon, fair enough, I do tend to analyze everything that comes out of a date’s mouth and as most women do it naturally and lawyers do it via training, i am doubly f*cked! My standards are not that high, I am not looking for an adonis, infact, I am normally attracted to uncoventionally attractive people..a little big and chubby (think linebacker chubby) etc. My only requirement is that they are mentally strong enough to NOT allow me to ‘run the show’. I haven’t lucked in that one aspect yet, but otherwise, most men I date/dated were amazing.
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Olive, OK, THAT can be found.
Good luck in your search.
∞
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You’re good to have around Olive, partly because there’s been a long standing debate here where purist PUAs kept declaring that money doesn’t matter in bedding women while others claimed that it’s a valuable tool to have especially when other tools might not be so sharp (such as the man’s youth factor).
The PUA field used to be in full agreement with feminist directives, one of which was that the hottest women should not date men for money. PUAs didn’t use the direct feminist reasoning for feeling this way, that this was because “inequality is bad,” but rather most PUAs were very young and, mostly because of wishful thinking and the fact that their youth could counteract the lure of money, they went for a long time denying that money could be an influential factor in seducing the hottest low-count women either indirectly or even directly.
They fully agreed with feminists in the delusion that “women can’t be bought” even though they tacitly agreed that status seduces (they refused to agree that money often equals status).
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“mostly because of wishful thinking”
No, unlike the aspies around here that are happy circle-jerking to theory, we actually went out and collected a fuckton of experience as a community that money doesn’t matter.
I don’t even tell girls what I do for work anymore, it’s not even a question that comes up because I don’t let the conversation get to such a boring topic. I don’t take them out on dates, I tell them they have to come to my place to pick me up because I don’t have a car. And I’m currently living in a city full of rich-ass iBanker types and professional chicks.
Olive gets those guys because, like most guys, they’re too pussy to go after hotter girls and rely on meeting girls via their social circle. Do we even know what she looks like? Is she an 8+? No offense Olive, lol And again, she’s a girl. Getting knocked out by Mike Tyson doesn’t make you qualified to coach boxing.
I’m friends with guys who are rich as fuck, doctors, lawyers, etc. The ones who get pussy (and most of it is via their social circle so already they’re limited to picking from what’s available instead of what they ideally want) are the ones with game. My game is tighter than most of theirs (just because I was focusing on that while they were in med school), so even with their money I can take their girls (but I try to avoid it becuase they’re my buddies and their friendship is worth more than a lay).
A shit-load of them go home with their dick in their hand because the money doesn’t matter except to the gold-diggers.
Same thing with looks, I have other social circles full of tall good-looking model type dudes, jacked up MMA fighters, etc. It always comes down to game.
Go out more and tighten up your game. All this shit becomes very obvious when you go out regularly and push your comfort zone. Spend a year approaching girls and telling them you work at McDonald’s and live at home with your mom. Spend a year not buying girls anything. Spend a year approaching girls while wearing plain clothes instead of a suit.
Or continue to let your limiting beliefs suffocate your progress. That’s fine with me, it’s your dick, I don’t care what you do with it…but I’ll continue to shit all over keyboard jockeys telling newbies that their money, looks, etc. have anything to do with building attraction and getting laid.
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money equals choices if you have no money there isen’t much you can do
and even if money didn’t get a chick i like to have money to do shit i want to do. I couldn’t of flown over my house few days ago and seen it from the air if i didn’t have loot.
life is more comfortable with loot than without
so fuck that noise really
with loot you can still learn game and bla bla
so there isen’t really a reason not to get it
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i understand about the handicap principle and all that and its nice to have a challenge real challenge though is beating the system and then hell you can still handicap yourself for fun he he he
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without money i would be in jail like all the other poor bastards so yea money is more than necesary it is goddam required you put that time in
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you think you get a fair trial without loot i suggest you go to a courthouse and watch the proceedings and let me know
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I really enjoyed this from Yareally. It is both Truth and a Recitation, in the tradition of folks that rub beads and chant (don’t discount these folks from being important in this Dada World).
The only Truth is that which we Believe and that which makes logical Truth and that which we Burn into Reality.
Kudos, Yareally. For true. Go forth. “May your tribe increase.”
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@ Anonymous, interesting points. I can say based on personal experience, money is an important consideration…I mean, it is one of the reasons I chose my profession, even though I am not getting paid the amount I imagined. My theory is each person in a relationship should at least be able to carry their individual (financial) weight. While I don’t expect (or demand) men to buy things for me or take me on trips etc, I have found that most men I date do that.
@ Ya really, for all you know, I am a pimply faced 15 year old male troll making things up for attention. But just as I trust that your PUA stories are legit, you will just have to rely on mine. For the past 6 weeks, I have been seriously dating 3 guys (haven’t slept with any yet). Below is a summary of each one:
Guy 1: 31 year old PHD student in surgical ROBOTICS…I can’t even make this up if I tried. He’s a certified nerd with a profound love of all things Anime. He gets grants in the hundreds of thousands and takes me anywhere I want. He is obviously not a PUA but I find his intelligence a huge turn on and his quirky geekiness extremely cute. He is the definition of borderline genius insanity but I find his crazy exciting and while he is nerdy, he is far from boring, and he is almost over confident…its nuts! I also like that we do the most random things like having coffee at a graveyard at 1am :s
Guy 2: 25 year old Engineer by day and acoustic guitar player by night(trouble). He is very good looking, but when I agreed to date 1, I assumed he was 30.He tries to convince me age is nothing but a number but I know better…or do I?….we have gone on four dates. He seems like a budding Alpha, the definition of aloofness which makes me question if he finds me attractive. But then he drives an hour each way to see me with no sex expectations so I garner there’s something there. He lives in a massive frat style house with two other guys. He always initiates dates and I always resolve to cut things off with him…but I haven’t yet.
Guy 3: Mid thirties legit Millionaire. Solid Christian values with the charm of a small towner. He has a big lineback build with a handsome face. I REALLY like him. I have never dated anyone Christianity so seriously, I feel so calm, safe and relaxed when I am with him. The only caveat is that he has a very young child. He did not end up marrying the mother (he told me it was because she still wanted to be on the party high life scene). He also told me upfront he wants FIVE kids. I was like whaaaat? On our first date, it started snowing horribly and by the time we finished my car was piled with snow, he went to his (very expensive) car, brought a windshield snow scrapper and scrapped the snow off. Yes, I felt like I was in a fairytale.
I am not trying to sound self important, but I would like to think that the three of the above men (okay, maybe not guy 1) can get other relatively decent girls. I know Guy 3 can DEFINITELY have his pick of litter and yes, he is already hinting at what my views are on being a stay at home mom etc. Soooo…the story continues…..
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@ Olive
What are all those chumps waiting for to fuck you?
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Is there a vote button on this one? I’m for guy #3. “The only boy who could ever reach me was the son of a preacher man” 🙂
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@Anon, they are not chumps! lol
@ Kate, I think so too right? He is taking me out this Friday…will definitely keep you posted! My only reservation with him is that he already has a child, I kind of imagined that I AND my partner would experience bringing a child into this world for the first time together but I am willing to concede. He lives roughly 45 mins away too (I really don’t know why all the guys I date live so far away? 😦 and he is always the one making the trip here. I have never been to his house and he has never been to mine. We just go out and do date stuff together. I am really hoping he is not a) already Married b) renting an expensive car to validate how rich he is…lol, apart from that, I am very impressed so far!
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Yes, I can understand you’d want to share that unique situation with someone. On the other hand, that’s only four children you have to birth:)
He sounds like an interesting Christian to not have gotten married.
Forty-five minutes is no detriment. Men have explained to me it is no obstacle to drive that far for someone they really like. Thousands of miles does become cumbersome though 🙂
Keep your wits about you and good luck out there!
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dang petite olive really holding out for me i’m flattered
or dang the woman on here like to lie about not having semxytime on dates whats going on do people even have smexytime anymore?
don’t get smex on dates don’t get smex in marriage he he he
but yea would prob be interesting dynamic with the dude that has a kid allready and he has the kid
ask him how he got custody
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@ Kate, he told me the reason he actually proposed to his baby moms after she got pregnant was because of his faith. So he was engaged to her at some point but after she delivered, she started partying more than she did before she got pregnant. He seems like the tolerant and accommodating (swoon) type of christian but even the most tolerant men can only tolerate a certain amount of “partying” from their soon to be spouse.
@Gregi…. Love you, always. You know this. 😉
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“or dang the woman on here like to lie about not having semxytime on dates whats going on do people even have smexytime anymore?”
I’m now officially in the IC group again. There was a lot more prestige to being in the VC group. LOL
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@anonymous
Just a bunch of word-fluff.
@Olive
I enjoyed your livejournal diary entry. I don’t doubt that you have super-fantastic guys in your social circle to pick from. Out of a dozen rich law dudes, one is probably going to be decently alpha/attractive (of course wasting time with a chick who’s dating other guys AND not putting out is pretty weak lol)
The important question is this:
If dude #3 was forced to take a $30k/yr job tomorrow would you ditch him? Or would your hamster rationalize that it’s okay because you like him and you’ll just focus on all his good points and excuse his bad…same way Rhianna does with Chris Brown. Oh look, here we are back at a woman’s hamster rationalizing away a guy’s faults that would be deal-breakers if he was a beta, but are excusable if he’s attractive to her and makes her gina tingle. Weird.
Or wait, maybe you’ll say that you’d logically consider his income change and factor it into your logical pros and cons list and then run that list through your vagina for it to calculate that it should no longer be tingling for him. Because we all know women base their attraction off logic and common sense and long-term planning. That’s why a beta can just list the reasons a girl should like him and her pussy gushes like a faucet once the logic is computed.
Oh wait, that’s not how it works and its been long established that chicks don’t know wtf gets them wet and that their logical sober mind filling out a survey is completely irrelevant in the moment when their emotions are spiking through the roof.
How about if I take one of the betas of the month in the newest article and give him $150k/yr. Want to fuck any of them? The money is going to help them be attractive after all, right?
Kate: would you date guy #3 if he only made $30k/yr?
Such a waste of time lol. A Natural buddy and I were literally income-less for 2 years and pulled law chicks, nurses, teachers, etc (plenty of them in this career-city).
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@YaReally: Hard to say. In theory I wouldn’t think I’d be attracted to someone who made less money than I do, but, in practice, I have been. That may have been because the man was younger. The question to me is does that make for a good base for a relationship. The answer there is no. If its an older guy who makes 30k/year because he’s retired and that’s all he needs to live on, that’s a different story. As I was dicussing with CH the other day, millionaires have a very special appeal for women in the security that they offer. However, a Christian millionaire is really like winning the lottery. While most men will love your body, your heart, and your mind, someone who cares about your very soul is pretty hard to resist. That kind of connection is rare and deep.
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“Just a bunch of word-fluff.”
OK, cool, Yareally.
Kisses.
∞
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@Kate
If money is attractive then giving the betas of the month a $200k salary will make Olive want to bang or marry them. And dropping her Guy #3 down to $30k will make her no longer attracted to him.
You guys can’t say “oh money is a big factor in attraction” and then add on “…sometimes.” It either is or it isn’t. If its not a repeatable consistent logical principle then it’s not fucking true and you have to dig deeper to figure out what the difference is between the unattractive rich beta and the attractive normal-income alpha.
This is simple logic. Black and white shit right here.
Why is confidence legit attractive? Because if you gave a shit-load of confidence to the betas of the month, they’d be attractive to girls. If you took all the confidence away from Guy #3, he wouldn’t be attractive.
Shower the betas in $ and they’ll still be repulsive to women. Take Guy #3’s $ away and he’ll still be attractive to women.
This is simple logic in action. And why we don’t listen to girls when you guys say “well I think I’d be attracted to such and such”, because your random emotional self-analysis of theoretical scenarios has pretty much no relevance. What has relevance are cold hard consistent results across the board.
If you say “I feel like I would like a nice guy” and you just sucked off a bunch of “bad boys” in the bathroom, your telling guys you like nice guys is not just irrelevant but it sets those guys back from learning what actually attracts women and turning their lives around to become more attractive and not die alone and unloved. That’s the only reason I’m shitting on you and Olive right now. There are guys reading this shit and going “oh I guess I have to make $150k/yr to be attractive!” and then they’ll waste 10 years of their life trying to get a career that gets them that and then they’ll be sitting there with $150k/yr and beta attitudes going “why aren’t I getting girls now?? Those chicks said this would make me attractive!! :'(” and then he kills himself or becomes a bitter-ass MGTOW or ends up settling for some shitty chick who eat pray loves him because he never really learned how to be attractive and he gets raped in divorce or his wife cheats on him and he wins Beta of the Month here at the Chateau.
I know guys like this in real life. This shitty advice fucks them up instead of helping them.
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@YaReally: Let’s not put unwarranted people’s blood on my hands, shall we? I understand your point and I haven’t given anyone the advice “just make more money and people will like you.”
money on its own = not attractive
some aphatude = attractive
some money + some alphatude = more attractive
much money + much alphatude = very attractive
Other clarifications that need to be made.
1. No one likes nice guys as anything more than friends. I never tell people I like nice guys. I tell people I *wish* I could like nice guys. I have tried to force myself to like them for two concentrated months with no result.
2. I don’t frequent those kinds of bathrooms.
3. Is becoming a wealthy man a waste? Not if one then learns the other attraction triggers.
4. I’ve been fucked up by the “be nice” attitude as well. Now I know better, but darn if it isn’t pretty deeply ingrained.
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@ Ya Really,
Money does matter, if one (a female) is considering long term potential then yes, money definitely DOES matter. How much money though is a different question. Will I be happy long term with a brad pitt look-alike Alpha who makes 30K a year? most likely. I will even rationalize it and say “well I make enough for the both of us”. What is it is a 300 pound balding short low beta/omega computer science geek who makes 150k plus? Well definitely won’t be!
What if same brad look alike makes nothing, has no motivation to do anything with his life, other than get high and play video games? I won’t be attracted to him that’s for sure. If Guy #3 was not a millionaire, I will still like him but if he was a bum with an out of wedlock child, I won’t even go out on a date with him in the first place.
Money does matter when a woman is considering a long term partner but it is one of many considerations. No one wants to have a bum as their baby daddy! Well….ghetto-trash excluded…
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PetiteOlive
@Gregi…. Love you, always. You know this. ””””””””””””””
dam don’t think this statement has ever been uttered at the blog
unless directed at the host
do i know you
i’ve seen the subtle hints
how to respond who knows lets hang out
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PetiteOlive
@Gregi…. Love you, always. You know this. ””””””””””””””
dam don’t think this statement has ever been uttered at the blog
do i know you
i’ve seen the subtle hints
how to respond who knows lets hang out
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Kate
“or dang the woman on here like to lie about not having semxytime on dates whats going on do people even have smexytime anymore?”
I’m now officially in the IC group again. There was a lot more prestige to being in the VC group. LOL
””””””””
are you throwing code lol
is that first tier second tier
or something else he he he
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involuntary vs. voluntary celibacy
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Translation of your “possibility” (i.e., unstated hope) from woman-talk: ride the carousel until late twenties. Find millionaire greater-beta husband just before 30. Have kids. Live as stylish stay-at-home, yoga-pants-wearing Tiger Mom in 4,000 sq foot mansion, with a Consuela the Maid to help you manage your hectic, hectic life of play dates and spa visits. At about 43, Eat Pray Love divorce and second try at carousel. Then, vivacious old age, filled with love and laughter and an attentive older gentlemen to tell you how wonderful you are. Finally, heaven and the welcoming arms of whatever diety you think is the greatest alpha obligated to take care of you for eternity.
Good luck with that.
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Kaboom goes the cold read.
Nice.
∞
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“Find millionaire greater-beta husband just before 30. Have kids.”
Please see my post above…I am already working on it 😉
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But I hope to never get a divorce, I have travelled far and wide and gotten the eat, pray, love out of my system and I am agnostic (but willing to convert for the right kind of Christian lol)
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on March 5, 2013 at 4:50 pm PetiteOlive
“Find millionaire greater-beta husband just before 30. Have kids.”
Please see my post above…I am already working on it ”””””””””””””””””””
and the media actually tries to tell us that men and woman are equal or that there is a wage gap and somehow men have the higher wage lol
when all a woman has to do is be a woman that is nice looking and can get a millionaire and be wined and dined in the process.
not a bad gig
amazng everyone wants to paint woman as poor things
oh well
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Hmm.. Olive, I thought you were looking for a chubby nice guy that has some level of female control in his mind. If that person also needs to be a mazillionaire in the Age of 0bama… whaaaa?
I like unicorns too. But I have not seen one.
You’ll probably need to move to NYC or DC, assuming you are not already there. But, when you move there, you will find that men of worth are most likely not willing to settle down, and are focused on bedding women in their 20s (“younger, hotter, tighter”). Why? Because they can.
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“As for man-like career, this perhaps might be the only one of Heartsy’s propositions, I do not agree with…but then I have a bias (lawyer)”
Funny how that works, isn’t it?
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Indeed.
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Two potential issues:
1) Money. If you make more than him that would lead to an unstable marriage. Limits your option in the marriage market (which we are trying to crash anyways).
2) Many women in male professions try very hard to be “one of the guys”, and many of their mannerism rub off on her. Swearing, crude jokes and stories, sometimes even things like audible farts and burps… And they resent being excluded.
Ever hear of a naughty engineer fantasy? Yeah me neither.
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yeah, but there’s a hot nerd girl fantasy… lol
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You probably are hot if people are randomly calling you beautiful. But as Olive wrotein her first comment @ 8:15 on March 4, most men will never judge your SMV on the basis of your occupation. If you’re in a STEM career, some men may avoid you for cultural reasons, but they’d still think that you’re hot. Your looks and personality will always matter much more than your job in the smp.
What country were you born in? There’s something about the way you write that seems as if English is not your first language.
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Yes, this is my point: why would people constantly call me beautiful randomly if I were not? I don’t see this happening with other girls like it happens to me. And english is not my first language, my first language is portuguese.
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To get in your pants. How about you put up some pics?
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People randomly call me beautiful fairly often as well. That ought to tell you something.
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It is not just to get in my pants. I’ve stated before that woman also call me beautiful, wtf, then almost everybody I know wants to get in my pants… Nicole, I really doubt anyone where I live would call you beautiful. I see that what happens with me (attention, stares, compliments) just doesn’t happen with most of the other girls I know.
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Naguala, I wasn’t trying to say that everyone is trying to get into your pants, just that beauty by itself just draws the attention. What it means or what it will lead to from there depends on your actions much more than your looks.
So if you’re pretty, but full of negativity, this is why you’d be alone or experiencing a lot of confusion in your relationships. You would do well to pay attention to what some of the saner men here have to say about your attitude.
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This is two non-starter issues unless the guy is very insecure in his manhood.
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We are not talking about one guy, but guys in general.
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You’re probably not hot.
Girls drastically overrate themselves.. When they’re anonymous, they astronomically overrate themselves.
In truth you’re probably pretty or plain.
But anyways, you say “I will be” rather than “I am” a chemical engineer. Which leads one to conclude you’re still in college. So don’t become an engineer. That paycheck may help you feed your cats when you’re older, but if you want a husband, settle your ambition and use your proclivity for science to be a nurse or dental assistant or some shit.
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Yes, I am hot. I don’t overrate myself, I am a known perfectionist, if any thing I could do is that I underrate myself. And I know it for guys reaction when they see me and for the many people who ever told it to me in my life.
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pics or gtfo
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shut up m@ya.
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You are ugly and a dude until proven otherwise, whore.
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“Yes, I am hot”
LOLOLOLOOLOLOOOLOOLLLO!!!!!
Yeah, ok.
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It doesn’t have the same feminine appeal as some jobs, but at least you’ll be able to pay your bills.
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A man will be more excited about dating an acrobat or a ballerina. However, for the long term, an engineer is a good job. If you were my daughter, I’d be happy about it.
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Yes, she can marry an engineer! 🙂 My cousin did that. She quit, he works, and they have three children and are considering a fourth!
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you mean I’d better quit?
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I’m sure you have many options on a wide spectrum of choices. In the example of my cousin, they both worked, got married, and, then when they were ready to start a family, she became a SAHM.
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you mean I’d better quit?
When I lived in Central Joisey, I dated a chick who was a Chem E major, and she told me that she had spent her summer internship studying something like the chemistry of cooking oil solutions, at some place like Proctor & Gamble, and that she was absolutely certain that she would NEVER become a practicing Chem E.
I just googled her now, on a whim, and it looks like she ditched Chem E, got an MBA from Harvard, and is now a senior VP at a big publishing house, in charge of the magazine division [Cosmo, 17, Woman’s Day, etc].
And apparently she even found time to push out three children for her husband [God bless her little heart].
Anyway, your undergraduate major does not necessarily have to have any bearing on your future in life.
If I were you, then I’d ditch the “perfectionism” as quickly as possible, learn how to fake some Borderline Personality Disorder, make your apartment as sloppy and as filthy as possible, and start earning a reputation as “that crazy chick who will absolutely fuck your God-damned balls off, oh, and she’s also pretty darned smart”.
And learn how to cook.
My experience has been that “perfectionist” chicks are absolutely the worst cooks on the face of the earth.
No guy with half a brain wants to get stuck with some perfectionist bitch who can’t even cook worth a damn.
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And one summer when I lifeguarded at the outdoor pool, there was a super-smart chemistry-major chick who had HUGE tits and she always wore this skimpy little string-bikini to go swimming in.
We’re talking really epic tatas here – the closest I can think of in the popular imagination right now would be a Kate Upton [and I am not even exaggerating].
This chick subsequently went on to grad school at CalTech and got her degree in either Chem E or Chemistry.
Anyway, the point of all these reminiscences is that just because you are smart-as-hell doesn’t mean that you can’t also be uber-sexy.
Develop a warm, friendly personality, with a big smile on your face, always fuck like a wild [preferably rabid] animal, and learn how to cook.
Seriously, girlfriend – when it’s all said and done, men are very easy to conquer.
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What’s with all the randoms coming on here talking about how hot they are? You do realize this is the internet and if you don’t post pictures nobody cares, right?
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would you say you’re more or less man-like than justin bieber?
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I think we need a chart.
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Preferably one that features crudely drawn penises.
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Mind reader.
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+1
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i think the last chart was actually a chicken leg from the one movie that was posted lol
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Damn, girl, you’s on fire tonight!
(said in black face)
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Manjaw.
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Crudely drawn penises are fun for everyone, not just manjaws.
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Crudely drawn penises are fun for everyone
—As is CLOWN RAPE.
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Accurately evaluating one’s attractiveness to women is the key determination – to what degree one is a man with options (or lack thereof). And I think adding “alpha/beta/omega” language only confuses it further. Like women, men should be evaluated by a score 1-10. The dating market test for men should be tweaked so that it spits out a numerical score, 1-10, including half decimals (5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, 7.5…). And this raw score should be based upon objective, non-charismatic factors like looks, income, accomplishments, education, quality of past lovers. Each man gets a raw score and then the alpha/beta aspects of personality and charisma operate to expand or diminish the man’s range beyond his objective traits.
For example, if we had an average looking guy, with average job, generic college degree, but past success with decent girls, his raw score might fall around a 6. However, the alpha being strong with this guy, his settling range would be elevated by a point or two. Pleasant and somewhat interesting personality results in no change. A nice guy, kiss ass beta loses a point.
With the man’s dating value accurately measured, his settling options can then be evaluated. No system is perfect. Some hot girls will NEVER date a bald guy, or a guy under 6 foot, or a guy with kids, or a guy that doesn’t bring in 6 figures. But generally speaking, it would be extremely helpful if men could have a decent idea of what girls they have a shot with, and which ones are a waste of energy. My gut feeling is that most men underestimate the caliber of women they could get, but I could be wrong on that.
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Too much math for something that’s hard to quantify. How much of a handicap is a short bald guy versus a guy with kids who works as a cashier? How short, how much hair missing, how many kids? How about being fat? How fat, and where are you? Fat in New York City might be only mildly chunky in the South. I believe it was Colin Wilson who discussed how more masculine women preferred more masculine men, so personality’s variable in its effect too.
The point isn’t that you can’t judge any of this, as some ‘equalist’ harridan might say. A definite hierarchy exists, as any politician or athlete (or neckbeard or round person) could tell you. But for any guy not at the top or bottom (which is most of us), you have to get out in the field and find out (which is a useful exercise anyway). It’s the same reason business success has little to do with what you actually learn in business school classes–business is so dependent on taking advantage of changeable local factors that it’s almost impossible to teach the way you teach engineering or biology. Most aspects of life can’t be summed up in a number–Galileo was starting with the easy stuff, even if nobody thought of it that way at the time.
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All valid points. Any score should be qualified by the points you make. No one should assume because they score as a 10 that every 9 and 10 girl is going to be into them. Any guy that scores a 6 shouldn’t necessarily write off an 8 that is showing interest. No question i’m making an aspie, math point here.
But I think a raw score is important, but scores are probably not linear. The better categorization would be to type guys first, and then score them within that type. Possible categories: 6-figure income SWPL (professional), low or mid income SWPL, high income non-professional, low income non-professional, PROLE, borderline criminal.
Do not take this as a greatest to least list at all. Borderline criminal types can score the hottest chicks in their social group, as can the rich CEO. But they are playing to different audiences, and different styles and approaches are needed for girls within those differing social groups. To some extent there is a hierarchy between the different types, but they only really apply to social classes immediately above or below.
For example, I’m a pretty generic SWPL. This may seem counterintuitive, but I do better with 7s and 8s who are also SWPL, and do not do well with PROLE 7s and 8s. There’s a huge class/culture divide and the PROLES find me to be negatively metrosexual because I don’t drive a truck, I wear a suit to work, I don’t hunt, I don’t listen to country music, I speak well and I’m not physically large. All of which are turn-ons for the SWPL chicks.
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the test for men: go try to fuck the hottest girl you can. Whatever her score is, thats what yours is.
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I disagree. There is no way I am a 9 or 8, but I’ve pulled both before. The caliber of women you can pull is certainly a valid criteria and should be added to the dating market value test for men. No question. But its not the end all be all. And that’s mainly because high value women make dating/sex decisions based on a lot of local factors: who they are hanging out with, who is available, who is a good “match” for her (small, petite girl might go with a shorter guy that is a better body type match for her than a giant, hulking guy), who shares the same priorities or common interests (religion, family views, etc), who she works with or otherwise sees everyday.
The few high-value girls I have scored with in my life were not met at a bar. Honestly, I would have had little chance with them if I was working in an anonymous pick-up environment. But these girls were friends of friends, or worked with me, or were in the same classes as me. They could have done better, but they were not regularly exposed to higher value men.
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I want my five minutes back.
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#1 sign you might be an alpha widow
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Bada bing. This girl has learnt some things here.
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This reminds me of that famous quotation from Whitman:
“If you want me again look for me under your bootsoles.
You will hardly know who I am or what I mean,
But I shall be good help to you nevertheless
And filter and fiber your blood.
Failing to fetch me at first keep encouraged,
Missing me one place search another,
I stop some where waiting for you[r twentysomething girlfriend to get fat].”
Such poetry! Such prophesy!
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I stop some where waiting for you[r twentysomething girlfriend to get fat].
More than a little ironic, given that Whitman was a fag.
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lol Alright, then let’s hear from Shakespeare on dating strategy for women: “Have patience and endure.” Its all a waiting game, which as a former distance runner and swimmer, I am trained to do! 🙂 By the time I’m fifty, I should be able to find a nice seventy year old who needs help eating his peas.
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For Shakespeare and dating, reference Taming of the Shrew.
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Thanks 🙂
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By the time your fifty, you won’t find any seventy year old because men are dieing early, so guess is that you should go with a 60 year old maybe you can have his 4 or 5 years and after he is flat you can have his life’s income, SWEET.
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Looks like the average life expectancy for males in the U.S. is 75.
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Damn, I only have 25 years to live?
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Not with all the good cardio you’re getting 🙂 You’ll make it to eighty easy!
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My boyfriend would appear to have a lot of options that are younger and hotter than me, but he prefers me.
I say this because my boyfriend has 2 jobs: 1 record producer and 2 guitar player. He plays with a lot of big name acts, and he can always do a carribean cruise ship gig whenever he wants (he has spent years of his life doing exactly that, hence he has accumulated hundreds of sexual partners despite a solid beta personality). He claims this behavior was the result of an addiction or a self esteem problem or something. There are also always lots of young aspiring pop stars and whatnot that want to hang around him. They tend to look really good. But he likes me. I don’t blame him because I have no designs on becoming a big star, and I don’t have some crazy diva personality.
I think my boyfriend actually doesn’t care about nailing the hottest girl around anymore or something. I know that before me he was dating an 18 year old (when he was 52 or something), and he said he felt really ashamed about that because that was younger than his youngest kid. Then he dated a model with a drug problem (but she was just about a 10). I’m no 10. Not even close, but I think it makes perfect sense to prefer a girl with no drug problem and a better singing voice too. Boyfriend left the wife for me, not any of those girls. Young and pretty ain’t all that to some.
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If it’s you on the photo-than you are lying.
My dick just won’t erect for someone like you,yet I am not the massive alpha male-right now I am with a 26 and 31 years old 7s.
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If it’s you one the photo than you are lying.
My dick just won’t erect for someone like you.Yet I am not a massive alpha-I am with 7s mostly.
No man with options would have sex with someone like you.It’s simply impossible from physiologic point of view.
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Explain Pierce Brosnan. Explain Federer. Explain Warren Beatty. It does happen.
[CH: So do explosive meteors. But you wouldn’t rearrange your daily schedule in anticipation of one landing on your neighborhood.]
Honestly, I believe you guys. I can’t see why you all would have a reason to lie to me, and your opinions do seem consistent. I guess my face is repellant. I can’t say I have much reason for believing that it’s pretty. But I am not lying at all here. I guess I don’t have an explanation for it, but my boyfriend loves me.
[Ok, your bf loves you. What is this supposed to tell us?]
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Don’t take these reactions as too harsh. If you found a beta in his fifties who loves you, then you are doing well. Thanks for commenting.
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“Ok, your bf loves you. What is this supposed to tell us?]”
Though I agree with your scale of desirability, I don’t think that this pure desirability scale correlates super well with what people actually end up dating/marrying.
Take a typical decent looking lawyer at a top firm. He makes a few hundred grand and maybe he is even clever when he talks. He probably ends up with a decent looking (but semi plain) lawyer he went to school with. He probably stays married to her. But that guy, if he worked on his game and tried to pick up hot chicks, he could probably pick up a really hot girl once in a while. But I don’t think that happens terribly often. People just stick to what’s in their proximity.
I remember driving around the outskirts of Miami once and seeing all these half cuban girls. Each one looked like a Salma Hayek. And all these girls were dating the losers that hung around the gas stations in their neighborhood. I would call those guys omegas. But idiot thugs with pitbulls in Miami seem to be getting hotter women than handsome doctors, from what I observe. I think guys date what is in their proximity and demographic first, and then look for someone who meets some minimum thresh hold of appearance. I don’t see a lot of guys trying to nab the hottest girl they can get.
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[CH: So do explosive meteors…]
lol! RIGHT TO THE FACE
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If you’re dumb enough to think those three guys aren’t banging broads on the side, you’re as dumb as you are a lying ugly twat. .
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fuckin little girl has no clue what’s going on
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Give it time…
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Nobody is saying that women who aren’t hot are completely unlovable, just generalizing about the settling order. I’m dating out of my league too, but I’d never say that this means that looks and age don’t matter, or even that they don’t matter to my boyfriend. I know looks do matter to him a great deal because whenever he tells me up close and in my ear that I’m beautiful, he’s talking about some feature of me that is objectively so. Because those features are attached to someone who is otherwise somewhat scary, I understand that I’m under some pressure to function optimally in other ways, and so are you.
If I stopped wearing a bra and let the puppies get saggy, stopped oiling my skin, and let my teeth get nasty or something, he would probably still love me as a person, but the dick would not move. I had also better be supportive of his mission, and chock full of positive feedback on the sexual front, or my ass is to the curb. May the gods have mercy on my soul for the bloody skidmark I would leave on the sidewalk outside whatever place he kicked me out of if, “Make it hurt!” ever turns into, “Stop, you’re hurting me.”
Personal value, though secondary to looks in attraction…fuck it. Personal value has nothing to do with attraction. It has to do with staying power, but really nothing to do with what gets your foot in the door. What got your foot in the door was what beauty you have. The rest may be very important gravy, but it is just gravy.
You’re not the youngest woman he could get, but you’re still much younger than him. You’re not the hottest girl he could get, but you’ve got something going on that he has a particular thing for. If I was to guess, I would say it’s the mouth. You do have a fine pair of soup coolers there.
So don’t let yourself go. Don’t ever think for a minute that you could ever afford that. Down that road is a false sense of security that will bring you home one day to find him balls deep in a chick who looks like you used to.
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Why are you telling us this?
Ahh there it is, “Young and pretty ain’t all that to some.”
You’re posting to tell everyone that you’re dating out of you league.
Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t even run in contradiction to the main point of the article. You admit that your bf has options that are “younger and hotter” implying that these traits correlate to desirability.
Your post added nothing to the conversation, go home and don’t waste our time with your drivel.
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“You’re posting to tell everyone that you’re dating out of you league.”
Yeah huh. I could brag about my boyfriend all day long even though I have certain relationship issues with him. In fact I do brag about him all day long, when I see my best gay friend. We just take turns bragging about our boyfriends.
“Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t even run in contradiction to the main point of the article. You admit that your bf has options that are “younger and hotter” implying that these traits correlate to desirability.”
Obviously they do correlate with desirability as a general trend, but the correlation might not have a kind of all encompassing effect on actual dating arrangements in practice.
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“Obviously they do correlate with desirability as a general trend,”
Read: Heartiste is right, of course.
“… [everything else that you wrote in this thread]…”
Read: Me, me, me. Look at me.
Stop talking and refrain from posting irrelevant anecdotes.
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She fails to see that, since her bf is twenty years older than her, she is young and hot, and he decided she was the most stable out of several young-and-hot options.
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Very true!
Also he may rely on his ears more than his eyes. Check his job – he is all ears.
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Didn’t read that far into her femspeak to discern any intelligible data.
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Yeah, my bf is 27 years older than me. He says he wouldn’t date someone much younger than me because he only wants to be publicly associated with someone who is older than his kids. He does not want to upset them terribly. In Heartiste’s world, the only priorities a man might have seem to be related to sex appeal. But my boyfriend is a good father, so he would only be with someone who could be some level of a maternal figure. I helped my boyfriend’s daughter a lot while she was in college. I helped her with her papers, her resume, academic advising etc. I could not have done that if I were 21.
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i bet he cries after sex cause ur so ugly lozlzozlzzozlzozlzozlzol
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true story what 7 years ago people were all over feministx when she was talking bout being a lesbian and dating dudes i guess she had her niche back then he he he
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“blah blah blah blah three paragraphs of solipsistic bullshit and lesbian schtick couched in lies”
There. Saved us all the trouble of reading your twaddle, you lying dumb dyke.
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I bang whores and you’re worth about 50 bucks.
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threadwinner.
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LMAO good one man
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you guys are vicious! lol
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We learned it all from watching you. (evil smile).
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Boyfriend left the wife for me, not any of those girls.””””””””’
if true it is a feather in her cap since yea that is the dream of a woman that is the mistress to have the husband leave the wife for her. So it worked so far. Did he divorce and marry you yet?
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Well, he’s in the middle of buying her a solid-gold yacht, so hang on….
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Didn’t he just get her the diamond dildo and a unicorn that farts jelly beans?
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Don’t forget the purple saguaro
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If I could find a way to spin this into an opener I’d have to remove the pussy from my dick with a crowbar.
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Da plane Boss, da plaanne!
What’s your boyfriend’s third job, manufacturing those Groucho glasses, nose, and stache you’re sportin’?
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no man would leave his wife for someone who looks like mr potato head
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I REPEAT. YOU LOOK LIKE MISTER POTATO HEAD THAT WAS SMASHED IN THE FACE BY THE RUSSIAN METEOR
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That;s such a mean thing to say about Mr. Potato Head and his Bucket of Parts.
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i had one when she was perfect at 17 prettiest chick in 3 states maybe it is best i cheated on her and we broke up cause i didn’t have to see her age
might of still married her but then divorce and seeing implications of that made me not want that made me not want anything took a while to give a fuck again
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Too many unfuckable creatures roaming the set. Plain janes of the world then want i giant pat on the head for not being a fucking wilderbeast. Ill mannered, Ill tempered, vulgar, full of sickening “body art” , Liberal as the day is long.
Who needs it?
Better to find a woman overseas, where feminism and consumerism havent run wild thur the society.
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Hit the nail on the head. Shame is, chicks are about as sensitive about their prison ink as they are about their fatrolls.
It’s funny. Tattoos are supposed to be an indicator of “independence” “nerve” and “boldness” yet if you criticize just one of these enlightened harpies about theirs, the claws come out. The best defense is, “I got this tattoo in honor of my dead grandmother (who said only whores get tattoos), you bastard. Love you forever granny!” Hamsters. Hamsters everywhere.
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More specifically one of the comment reactions from this particular libtard on that article.
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Seems like the tide’s really starting to turn re: the coolness of chicks having tattoos and/or dating blacks.
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I think now every other person under 30 has some sort of tattoo or piercing. It’s another way of expressing your individuality and specialness by doing what every other fucking person is doing.
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Thank you. Been waiting for some other manosphere dude to say the same thing for years.
Tattoos aren’t cute or attractive in any way, ladies.
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I totally agree. Ink stinks.
And those multiple piercings all over your body? Ditto.
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There is a theory out there that says this craze for tattoos and body piercing is another form of white self loathing caused by this endemic white guilt that most white women are infected with
white women make themselves uglier as a punishement for white privilege, they self mutilate their own body,
some say they do it to make their skin look more like the skin of brown/black people
it is not a conscious thing of course, at least not for most white women
Not my theory, but I can’t say I disagree with it
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There is nothing worse than a stinking smear of ink on a woman.
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Scars are nature’s tattoos.
[CH: Depends on the display case. Scars on women = scars. Scars on men = vestigial erections.]
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I have lots of “nature’s tattoos”…
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Yep. No way not to react positively to this 🙂 Attractive on men because it shows their invincibility. Unattractive on women as it mars their looks.
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I’ve got some “nature’s tattoos,” courtesy of a surgery I had to undergo. Unfortunately, according to the plastic surgeon I consulted, I’m pretty much stuck with ’em.
Oh, well. At least they match my manjaw.
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OK, you owe me a new keyboard as this current one is now marinating in coffee…
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My first was from when I was a toddler. My sister (a feminist) pushed my sled into a pricker bush. (I think she did it on purpose.) LOL
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Tattoos are stupid.
But keying off your comment about how grandma said only whores get tattoos, here’s Gavin McInnes’ bit about his Scottish parents’ reaction to his first tattoo:
Wha izzit!? Wha izzit!? Wha izzit!? Wha izzit!?
They are Glaswegian, meaning they are from where Class Structure exists, and consider tattoos to be indicators of low class.
Enjoy.
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This is the stuff I’m familiar with. I’m from a very traditional Irish American family. The day my parents saw my brother’s tattoos they had him written out of the will and made me (the executor) swear not to give him anything after the fact. No telling whether they’ll renege on it when they’re old, but I think he was askin for it. They told him clearly, if you get ink you’re out.
Thankfully they’ve kept my grandparents from finding out.
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Conas á ta tú, fellow Mick? Ta me go maith, and thanks for asking.
My Irish family is not very different. I have seen relatives excommunicated for what general society deems slight infractions. “He married an Italian, which is horrible, but it’s much worse… she’s divorced… so we will never speak to him or acknowledge him ever again. Moving on to the next thing now…”
So, I understand. Me getting a tattoo would be a major event, that I would probably only get away with because I am the favorite. But of course it would never be spoken of again. The Irish and their secrets….
Sloante.
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Ah, ni thuigim gaeilge. Ta me Meiriceanach. I seriously tried, but the pronunciations make French look easy. The above phrases and the ones you used are the only ones I really know aside from the traditional Erin go bragh and Pog mo thoin.
Yeah, stigmas are common among a lot of the Irish diaspora families these days. Also, there’s a separation between the higher and lower Irish class, which my grandparents call “shanty Irish” who are typically indistinct from their hillbilly American cousins with their bad spending habits, out-of-wedlock child rate and other hallmarks which are quickly seeping into the middle class.
The divorce stigma is great and something I actively endorse about Irish culture, though. Best wishes and may the road rise to meet you (Go n-éirí an bóthar leat).
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Based upon your response, you are most assuredly related to me. If not in blood, then in mind.
Go forth.
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am i settling now probably when out to dinner with family and my chick was doing the usual feeding me at the table and kissing my ass and we were having fun my older sister was pissed watching it and if looks could kill my chick would of been dead. They just want me to meet nice girls if i have to have a chick till i go back to the wife. I’m like yea but then those nice girls want marriage and my kid too. They tell me wear protection lolzzzz
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Great article as per the quality control metric of this establishment.
However.. one KEY metric left off the list for Men with Limited Options:
Sluttitude.
Unless, as is a reasonable proposition, that all ‘merican chicks are assumed to have more or less equal sluttitude scores. I agree this may be the default assumption, and it’s probably reasonable, thought the better angels of my nature and/or a stubborn tendency to white-knight, tell me otherwise.
Regardless, some MLO’s will include sluttitude in their algorithmic calculator. Shooting from the hip, I’d say that most guys would give a +/-2 valuation to sluttitude on this 14 point scale.
As an example, a hot/young/sweet/slender girl who also has a penchant for carouselling (they’re out there in hordes, trust me) will rank at or below the level of a woman who is not slutty but merely pretty, and also young, slender and sweet.
Conversely, a pretty/bangable/less young woman who is not slutty will elevate her status.
As a corrolary to the sluttitude principle, we can also imply Schroedinger’s Slut Theorem, meaning that in most instances, the sluttitude inside the box (yep) cannot be truly known, and therefore her sluttitude exists as a quasi-slut/non-slut. This is know as the Quantum Superposition Slut State.
And, I’ll also say that below level 5, the options become non-options, at least for myself, and above a level 3 (nonslut) to consider anything approaching a committed LTR. Self improvement, learning the charismatic arts, growing my business all stem directly from the desire to get into (heh) that level 3 and up range. Lifting weights & fitness, I do that for myself, but it has the indirect effect of raising my SMV and thus my options.
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Sluts are not LTR material. They’re for fun only. Reread the post; LTRs are the topic.
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Duh. But plenty betas don’t know that. Those dumb sons of bitches will wife up lots of leftovers. And for some, it’s a worthwhile bargain.
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Duh. But plenty betas don’t know that. Those dumb sons of bitches will wife up lots of leftovers. And for some, it’s a worthwhile bargain.
See: any beta who marries any Thai girl.
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Trent Reznor of NIN
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These types of men are the ones who justify anything from staying with psychos to being in LTRs with women who have seen more ‘cock’ than people who run chicken farms.
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Isn’t that The Heisenbush Unslut-tainty Principle?
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LOL
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Ha! Yeah, I think you’re right. Subtle, but important difference. The Schroedinger Slut Theorem must then be reformulated as following: put a slut and a beta in a steel box, and there will be a non-zero, but random chance she’ll be +1 after 1 hour.
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i’ve had prettier younger chicks than the chick i just had i could of married but i never felt my stomach on fire after i broke up with them i never fucking obsessed bout the bitches or got a warm fuzzy just thinking bout em like body and mind changing shit fucking going on and i’m 38 years old what the fuck its fucking wierd because i can kind of look from outside at myself and the chemical shit going on and it is some wild shit yo like i’m going to another plane of existance or some shit
i guess it doesn’t really matter how many bitches you fuck you can still get some super fucking oneitis good to know he he he
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crazy part is its like a drug its nice i’m enjoying the pining shit almost better than having the bitch in reality
i’m framing it as emotional but posative like i got to enjoy that shit and still get to without doing shit lol wtf
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@RL: So 2 pussies enter. 1 pussy leaves?
😛
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Heisenbusch Sluttitude Uncertainty Principle
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According to this Jennifer Aniston is almost “expired”
I disagree, she is 43 and hotter than the average 23 year old
and what about Carmen Electra? almost expired at 40 ? really?
I met a 45 year old woman a couple months ago, she may not be as hot as Jennifer Aniston but she is slender, sexy, pretty ( blond , blue eyes ), does not have saggy breasts, has superb legs and she gets hit on regularly by good looking men in their twenties,
…she made a lot of heads turn at the restaurant
One does not stop being attractive when they turn 40.
Good genes matter more than age.
well good genes and a healthy lifestyle.
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“One does not stop being attractive when they turn 40”
rationalizing much? if you’re not 60+ your hamster’s out of control.
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What’s your point? You gotta be a borderline social retard or aspie not to grasp the concept of generalizations. Whenever you make a general statement, some idiot wants to argue the exceptions just for the sake of arguing.
The Berlusconi trial just started. Take a look at pictures of the “underage” girl he allegedly banged and tell me you can find one woman over 40 who is better looking.
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With regards to Aniston or Electra-it’s a bias.They are celebrities,men want to be with celebrities.I would date Aniston in no time,obviously.I want to be in newspapers.
Yet even they can’t snap a high status and attractive male in the celebrity world neither.Does DiCaprio date any of them?Nope,they usually hang around producers,directors,casting agents and so on.
And look at Britney-she has celebrated the Valentines Day with an average Joe,some low tier lawyer.
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If you hook up with one of these 35+ year old women, well guess what?
Your beta genes will probably expire as well.
Why?
Because of the older woman’s difficulty in having kids.
I mean, even if you do have kids with an old chook, there’s a good chance that you may only get one kid – or if you’re really really REALLY lucky, maybe 2. Never more.
There’s also a greater chance of those kids having disabilities.
All in all, your chances of passing on your genes to the next generations do not look promising (isn’t that the meaning of life?).
Fertility doesn’t care about how beautiful you are – it only cares about your age.
Men are drawn to fertility, remember that.
And I find that women who are 30+ smell funny.
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we simply can’t make rules out of exceptions.
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Bet your ass they’re almost expired. Do an image search for recent pictures of the pair of them and it’s easy to see that the cracks are really starting to show. Literally.
And don’t forget that these are chicks whose entire job description can be summed up as ‘be hot’ (and don’t be fat, ugly or old-looking). Their very careers depend upon maintaining the illusion of youth and beauty, so not only are they very highly motivated to preserve that illusion, but you can also bet your ass that colossal resources are poured into propping it up. Resources not available to most women their age, let alone to your average 23 year old, neither of whom are under anything like the same level of pressure to look good for a living either. All of which kind of invalidates the comparison.
It’s also worth remembering that they weren’t exactly average 23 year olds themselves, so a fairer measure of relative hotness would be to compare their present attractiveness either to their younger selves or to put them up against a selection of current twentysomething rising-starlets (whose livelihoods also depend upon them being amongst the finest pieces of ass imaginable) and let the boner decide. No fucking contest, is it?
To draw a sporting analogy, these two (and other similar female celebs) are sort of like former golf or tennis greats, extending the twilight of their careers on the senior tour. Still able to benefit from big-name recognition, latent skill, and fading remnants of glory, to pull an audience and please the crowd (and still more than capable of mopping the floor with any average guy off the street in the same age-cohort) but it’s the younger bucks who are competing for the Grand Slam and The Masters, and it’s the leaner, hungrier, younger generation of current – not former – champions that sell the most tickets. [Apart from a lot of boxers, at least sportsmen and sportswomen generally have the good grace to retire from top class competition soon after, or even at, their peak…]
I agree that some women do not necessarily stop being attractive once they hit forty, provided they’ve been blessed with exceptional genes, and/or the perhaps even more exceptional will to work to hold on to whatever advantages Darwin gave ’em (and/or the means to retain a team of professional image consultants/personal trainers/cosmetic surgeons) but the point is, these chicks are extreme outliers and, sadly, they’ll never again be as attractive as they were in their twenties or teens.
Following on from that, and something else to consider, is that at this late stage in their looks-based careers, these older chicks no longer possess much – if any – potential to improve their attractiveness. Quite unlike the apparently plain, gangly teenager with youth on her side, who may yet turn out to be a swimsuit supermodel or Playboy centrefold, and who’ll invariably describe themselves – in the SI special or PMOY interview – as having been flat-chested, awkward and overlooked throughout most of high school but then suddenly blossomed, seemingly overnight, into a traffic-stopping bombshell at about nineteen. [Yeah, extreme example, but even a young chubber will find it easier to lose weight in their twenties, vastly improving their rating, than will an aging fatty, for whom weight loss will be much more challenging, and which will have a much less dramatic effect on her overall ranking anyway, dragged down as it is by her age.]
In contrast to the youthful filly, who’s got a good chance of staying prettier for longer (and even getting hotter, for a while) the old nag is starting off subpar and is going to deteriorate sooner and faster. Despite their money, the same trajectory inevitably awaits Wall-dodging starlets like Aniston and Electra, who’ve already been as hot as they were ever going to get, and whose looks are only going to decline from here on out. Also, the effort and expense required to maintain even a semblance of their former hotness is only going to increase, and increase exponentially at that, as the years take their toll. These are not insignificant factors when considering ‘settling’, which implies having half an eye on the longer term, and that is what we’re talking about here.
Luckily, we’ll still have recordings of them from when they were still ripe and beautiful, so all that hotness won’t be entirely lost in time (like tears in rain).
I’m not trying to be cruel, btw, because I actually quite like both of the bints cited in this example – Rachel off of Friends was seriously cute (in the nineties) and I must’ve thrown more than one fap in Carmen Electra’s general direction, back in the day – but Mother Nature is a bitch, gravity always wins, and there’s always a fresh batch of younger-hotter-tighter-types queuing up on the casting couch, vying for the title and eager to usurp the thrones of these erstwhile beauty queens. Thankfully.
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Apologies if this is a double post, btw, first reply apparently evaporated.
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Hell, check out the close ups of Carmen Electra in “Meet the Spartans”. Definitely pass the sell by date and into the wacko category.
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Sorry but this is nuts. In all the years Aniston has been around, I have never met another man who thought she was hot. She gets a huge amount of press from women journalists flying the eat/love/pray flag, talking her up, saying she is “hot”. But she has that strange squinty expression, off-centre nose, no deal. And she should shoot her stylist, Aniston is the least sexy dresser of any movie star.
Carmen Electra better ( She is sexy ), but look at her recent photos. Grilfriend is really hitting the wall now. It doesnot help that Simon Cowell ruthlessly gamed her and made her look pathetic.
Hot 40 year olds are great, they are my preferred target, but then I am in my fifties. Its not the age, its what she can get for it. Women are a depreciating asset.
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CE fucked Dennis Rodman. That would seem to lower her SMV a tad.
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This. Women above 35 who I think are hot: Sofia Vergara, Kate Moss, Halle Berry, Jada Pinkett, Naomi Watts etc. Jennifer Aniston is far from Hot. Well okay, she has a hot body but god her face.
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Canadian Friend,
How do you know she does not have saggy breasts? Did you see said breasts or was this a over the clothes observation? If the latter, I’d suspect the bra had a lot to do with it and you may be in for a surprise.
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There are outlier women who remain very attractive for much longer than you would expect. A lot depends on the genes, of course, and on how well they take care of themselves.
Exhibit A: Helen Mirren at age 63, in the famous red bikini.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1035510/Helen-Mirren-bikini-queen-reigns-supreme-63.html
Of course, I concede that she, Aniston, Bellucci and others are outliers. But, as CH has insisted many times in the past, facts are facts. Someone’s either attractive, or they aren’t.
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Don’t forget plastic surgery and photoshop.
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And RAPE. RAPE keeps you looking young!
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Bestill my heart.
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Without that bikini top, her boobs would be in Saggsville.
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I had sex with her a few times before that evening at the restaurant.
that is how I know she does not have saggy breasts.
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I saw a women who was 6′ 1″ tall. So people who say women are short must be wrong, right?
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You either have terrible taste or are easily misled by feminist media. Jennifer Aniston has a lantern jaw, long chin, small-close together eyes, a potato nose and flat hair.
She DOES have a wonderful body, pretty much perfect, if you ask me, but she is a HARDCORE butterface. Brad Pitt left her for a woman with a much less desirable body, but a far superior face- a woman who looks very feminine (or used to).
I actually wrote about this, let me know if there are other women on the post you find attractive:
http://revoltagainst.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/hollywood-forces-everyone-to-be-an-asshole/
For beautiful 40+ women I’d say the likes of Nigella Lawson, Kate Beckinsale, Courtney Cox, and Catherine Zeta Jones…..and many more are better than Aniston, who was hardly a 7 in her prime.
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Angelina Jolie has a BEATER face. Her body is more curvy that Anniston. Having never seen or met them in person, perhaps the camera lies about that, and then their personalities took over.
Anniston had a perfect sitcom look—girlish next door. A sitcom look is a woman who, at best, just pretty enough to be a girl’s good-looking friend but not pretty enough that a girl couldn’t compete with her in the right environment. So she can’t have a bombshell body and face; if she does, she must be rendered too stupid to be a threat to stealing a man from a relationship. Or she will be the evil bitch enemy girl (like Elle MacPherson was on Friends).
Girls on sitcoms are always like this, since most sitcoms are built for chicks. Chicks don’t like threatening women to root for; this is why lifetime movies have plainer women or in someway try to diminish a hot woman’s appearance.
Examples: Julia Louise-Dreyfuss (Seinfeld), Kaley Cuoco (Big Bang Theory), All three chicks from Friends, the mom and daughter from Gilmore Girls, 2 Broke Girls, that old show Ally McBeal, etc.
TV Dramas often allow for more bombshell actresses. Sitcoms less so.
It’s funny, but when I usually point this out to girls, they get MASSIVELY defensive of whichever sitcom star I use as an example (“no, Jen Anniston is really hot!”) I was confused by this until I realized that, because Sitcom Girls can be competed with (in a woman’s mind) and made into a best friend role, girls think that if they can boost a Sitcom Girl’s standing sexually, it boosts said normal girl up as well (the way fat chicks think hanging out with skinny girls makes them look skinnier).
Except women don’t understand that men do not get peer pressure-inspired boners. Women, however, can be manipulated by a group to get their panties wet for a guy, if only temporarily.
So all those faghags who made Anniston the “most beautiful woman in the world” really just wasted their time.
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I agree with you about plain girls and sitcoms, however, Angelina Jolie is apple shaped, not curvy at all http://membres.multimania.fr/angelinajoliephotos/pics/BikiniAngelinaJolie01.JPG) – you’ve been tricked by media or her status as “bombshell”- her face in up until her recent weird botox/weight loss combo was sublime though.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_cjPneORVNsGr8Nzt-XFL9okRDCraCzOSE7q8Yul72ssZ1J08
I don’t find Jennifer Aniston attractive enough to even be a girl next door, to be honest. To me, she is in deep butterface territory along with Tori Spelling. Maybe I’m defensive about this though, because my face has always outshined my body and it’s annoying to me when guys think butterfaces (especially man faces) are “hot”.
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Nigella Lawson and Kate Beckinsale are two on my list of women I would fuck at any time, any place.
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And Sela Ward is on that list as well…
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@Mike: Agreed on all three counts. Especially since Nigella recently started losing a few pounds.
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Ronin makes the distinction I make. Nigella has always been saucy enough for a throw, but was formerly quite large. I saw her at a restaurant I frequent in London once and it was almost alarming how large she was. Zaftig is a nice word for it. FAT is the right word. But she’s now making her play to be relevant in the Big Pants market (USA), and so her management has wisely made her lose weight. She’s always been “fetching”, in her way. If her body can get down to a normal size, she’ll be slammin’.
Beckinsale is a borderline fetish for me.
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Never gets old:
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Calm down everyone
I don’t think Aniston is the best example, she was simply the first name off the top of my head.
I don’t think Aniston has a great face but she is far from ugly , those of you saying she is ugly need glasses.
Ugly compared to what? to the women in your local bar, restaurant or shopping mall? really?
Despite one’s taste in what makes a face beautiful, Aniston has a face that looks 15 to 20 years younger than her age. She looks young and fresh – that can not be debated – even if you think she is not pretty.
Angelina Jolie’s face says ” I swallow and I fuck in the ass and then you can tie me up and do whatever you want to me ” that is why most men like her, not because she is all that pretty. She looks like she is always wet and ready to go. Men confuse that with being pretty.
Women who look like they are willing to give you sex always seem better looking to young horny men.
When you get to my age you will start to look at women without your hard-on affecting your brain.
I suppose I dislike Jolie’s face like some of you dislike Aniston’s face. ( and I repeat: I don’t think Aniston has the best face, she simply was the first name I could think of )
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Nigga, you trippin’
That’s with massive amounts of make-up, good lighting, and photoshop.
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Nigga, you trippin’
—Best Flavia quote ever.
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got to admit though i went up to what i thought were hottest chicks in regular club this weekend and didn’t take em home allthough i did run conversation he he he
did get two strippers who asked to come home with me on sunday though talking bout how everyone wants a relationship with em and they are sick of it. I said you won’t have that problem with me i rarely want a relationship with a chick. They in house and oh you get the cream of the crop. yea i have been forced to settle
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Finally! A title I can’t figure out how to put RAPE into!
Good job, Heartiste staff!
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Loss of attractiveness due to extra weight is an exponential function.
The others are linear.
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Love that shit. Just makes my SMV go up.
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It’s official: this blog has exhausted itself on game content.
Personally I think it would be cool if CH focused on politics/current events with the occasional game post.
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I agree. I don’t need to be reminded that I have a 13 or 14 for a sister-in-law.
At least twice a month it’s the fatties, and mein Gott, how I hate them. I was in remission until I read this post and got to the bottom. Now I won’t sleep for days………
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‘Murrica
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In some societies the best they could come up with was a formula: Marry the women as young as possible, make an heir and a spare, and then let them enter the slut-zone. if they are so inclinded.
It sounds crazy, at first. But try to find a better concept when the situation is that there are no ecocomic reasons for a woman to avoid sluttitude. The only other factors will be social pressure/status keeping.
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Actually, I think the age groupings should be slightly revised. MILFs in the age group 32-45 should be grouped. It really is true that most women peak sexually somewhere around age 35-40. For guys with high sex drive who want to fuck lots, and get adventurous/kinky, these MILFs can be MONSTERS in bed.
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these mature women 35-40 may fuck well… because they don’t know when someone will want to fuck them again.
But no, women do not sexually “peak” after 35.
How retarded would it be for evolution to make women hornier when they have the higher chance of producing defected, down syndrome babies with fucked up mitochondria.
Women are at their sexual peak when they are at their hottest and most fertile.
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you’re mistaking becoming more desperate for peaking sexually.
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im so happy i live in a country where you can make more stringent demands on girls weight. swedish legend:
Slender = hourglass figure, 17-21 BMI, 0.65-0.75 waist-hip ratio
Bangable = 22-23 BMI, 0.65-0.75 WHR
Chubby = 24 BMI, 0.75-0.80 BMI
Fat = >25 BMI, 0.75-0.80 WHR
I guess I’m an M-LO 3. My last girlfriend was Pretty/Slender/Young/Sweet
(I guess in eastern europe you can knock on off one more point on the weight legend)
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What’s your “Realdoll threshold”?
I think when the best I could do was a category 8, I’d rather just fuck a Hot/Slender/Young/Inanimate.
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Hahahahaha! If you’re that low on the totem pole, you might as well satiate your desires through chronic masturbation while you anxiously wait for the advent of the Sex Robots!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/the-rise-of-the-sex-machines-roxxxy-sexbot_n_2207584.html
Check that shit out, yo!
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No way, that monstrosity will never take off! It’s ugly as sin, and the electronic functionality is super lame. It isn’t a sex robot, and they won’t be around for many years.
In the meantime, there are incredibly real-looking silicone dolls, which, with some imagination, might be pretty satisfying. Or not, it depends on the person. I don’t have one, but I’ve read reports from people who do, who are very happy with them.
So, why is the sexbot cool, but the realistic silicone doll lame? They’re both fake chicks.
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You forgot to mention that a lot of men that can’t get the hot slender babe will simply walk away from the game rather than dumpster dive. MGTOW? Or are they omegas in the first place.
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Some people have too much standards to slum it with some nasty-looking hoodrat and would rather watch porn. I totally understand that so I wouldn’t call them ‘omegas’ (whatever the hell that is.)
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I hear this.
I’ve been down and out in life for different reasons, out of shape, no money, new city and no social circle, no confidence for some reason, etc. In all cases I chose to work on myself and build up my SMV rather than fuck a 5 or below. I’d rather jerk off, then go to the gym and improve myself, rather than spent the 4-5 hours courting and fucking a 5.
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Seems like you’re an omega who is leapfrogging beta into alphaness. I think this is something quite possible for many omegas. You,re on the right track.
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This post made me realize how far I’ve come since reading this blog.
Pre-CH, the best I could do was Pretty/Bangable/Less Young/Sassy or Dull.
My current girlfriend is objectively Hot/Slender/Young/Sweet.
Much respect for what ya’ll do here
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Your pick may hit the real world of todays west hard. There is such an abundance of fat all around us, that it is hard to avoid it. But is this really choice?
Given a real CHOICE the preferences might be different, depending on the age of the M-LOs.
A 20 year old guy will value the “Young” part much higher. He will accept the young/sweet overweights much easier than on older person.
A 40+ year old guy may choose differently.
Maldek for example (thats me) will settle like this:
Hot or Pretty is ok -> less than pretty, no way, no matter the age.
Slender is ok -> bangable would require an extra benefit to accept, fatter than that, no way.
Young is ok. Less young is equal. I would not prefer a 21 over a 26 girl if everything else would be equal.
Not so young works if the hot/slender part is met.
Older/Old – We all get older, dont we? I would not next a women just because she aged with me. On the other hand, for a first date, these would be a no-go.
sweet only. I wouldnt make the smallest compromise in LTR material here. Even the prettiest face in the world will loose its glamour within a year or two. And then? You still have that dull attention whore sitting in your living room. No thanks.
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I am in this mindset as well. I am after the hot/pretty/slender/bangable, but not necessarily the young. But then it appears I am also an older guy on this blog, so my view is skewed compared to the younger males here, and I may have a slight gleam on my armor, as I have been told.
I also value intelligence, and do not do the ONS thing. I want to be able to have a conversation with a woman after I have fucked her all over the house and we are laying in exhaustion somewhere within that domicile.
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Why are you living in Texas. I need you up north to knock some sense into the guys around here. It part of your chivalric duty 😉
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Texas is the name of the girl he’s in right now. He actually lives in Jersey.
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Kate, sorry to inform you, the demos in your area (I am assuming you are DC) do not support men acting other than they do. Same in NYC, LA, London, etc. Anywhere where the population density has reached a point as to offer men anonymity as to who they fvck (it also offers women the same anonymity of course, and don’t think men do not realize that and build that into their mindset), you will find the same behavior. It’s life on the bubble.
Chivalry is well and truly dead. Or at least it is amongst the boys you’ll want to actually date. See how that works?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I am not in D.C. Online dating theoretically could create anonymity anywhere.
I was just making a joke with Mike. He knows why I think well of him 🙂
But, the anonymity and consequential isolation bring up a HUGE issue in dating in that there are never any repercussion felt from deceiving others, etc. Also part of being an adult, I suppose, in that there are no regulations. No apparent moral code.
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All of us are ninjas now. We strike hard and fade away.
No consequences.
Perhaps this will result in “more ideal” consequences, in aggregate, and when reviewed dispassionately. But in general, to my mind, what this results in is whores, players (of which I am one, supposedly), and no children. In short, all fall down. To use your Shakespeare entreaty, “Exeunt, pursued by jihadi.” Enjoy the outcome, progeny/b¡tches.
The future is a troubling thing.
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To pile on on a topic I think is important (tho’ not, prima facie, for the boyz that attend this site but for the girilz…), rekagnize that all of the “men are stupid” stuff you’ve been fed is not accurate. We are predators. We are therefore smart (We would not be here if we were dumb predators. Dumb predators… there is a word for that. It’s called “food”.).
Boys and Girls… we are all equally endowed with a base level humanity. Our sentience is of itself a major, almost impossibly amazing achievement. So, if at that stage we were together geniuses, but today on the day that you need to pay your cable bill half of us humans is idjits…. duz that make sense? At what point do you raise your hand and say… “ah… whaaa?”.
I welcome the fallout of the thought process around this idea. Let’s see it (from you and other supposed females on this site). Kaboom.
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I was reading a FR of someone once and “predator” was the word that came to mind. What was even freakier was that he called me while I was reading it. Scared the hell out of me! No, men are not stupid. But so many have lost touch with their baser nature (as have many women). In some cases, this is a good thing. In others, not so much. We reveal ourselves most clearly when the veneer of civilization is stripped away.
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Yes, I picked up on the joke quickly. And chivalrous is the least facet of my personality. But I think you were picking up on the dominant but not overbearing. A lot of young guys pulling the Game go way overboard, and are just out for marks on the bedpost. If that is what they want, more power to them.
For me, I like to establish regularity with a willing partner and refine the encounter each time, until there is a nirvanic interlude each time where it is way better than a new poon at each go.
Watching your willing partner experience multiple orgasms because of your methodology is an amazing sight.
Is that what you picked up on Kate?
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P.S. I am probably showing my level of disconnect with pop culture, but I have no idea what a “FR” is. Friend Request? If it’s friend request, then that is funny, but I should also take the time to advise you to quit FB. FB is a time-waster and a heart-breaker. Love-taker don’t you mess around with me.
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Field Report
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Sheeeeesh! I can’t read your posts anymore. n/a’s either. Too steamy!
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… I want to be able to have a conversation with a woman after I have fucked her all over the house and we are laying in exhaustion somewhere within that domicile….
Same thing for me, but then again I’m in my 50s
But men who are younger can not relate to that, all they want is the hottest babe for a quick dip.
I know
I used to be a young horny man , the breeze used to make me hard.
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CH, would it be possible for you to also do a Delusion-Spectrum on American Women?
*I’ve met very cute girls who were sweet, shy and retiring on one hand; and on the other a Russian-ballerina-slim girl who had the face of a Championship British Intramural Dart Team’s goalie, yet seemed to think she was the bipedal, living embodiment of Adriana Lima’s vagina.
What gives?? How do the different ranks of Female Delusion shake out?
-if there is any rhyme or reason to them at all…
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I think I came up with a formula for hamster velocity, but can’t remember.
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Maybe the guys working on the Large Hadron Collider could smash two American chicks’ hamsters into each other at high speed, and see what happens.
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Call it the Large Hamster Collider.
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Dude, you’re better off trying to figure out time travel.
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Objective beauty normally has pride of place on this blog, but I’d like to make a case for feminine charm right now. The wife just returned from a work trip to her native country. Now, I think she is good looking to begin with (that is, on a universal scale, compared to younger women), but compared to women her age, especially American women, she’s a hard 9 (she was never an objective 9, but she has aged incredibly well thanks to her healthy habits. Everyone thinks she is 10 years younger than she really is).
Anyhow, she had a series of meetings during the past week, and she was surprised at the reception she received. Perhaps because she was representing the U.S. (she is a naturalized U.S. citizen who works for the government, although she was born and raised in the very country she was visiting), and the locals were expecting the gringa bitch treatment, but she charmed her way through every meeting, many of them difficult and confrontational. One gentlemen, a high-ranking government official, said she had “the aura of a perfect woman.” Now, her native culture allows for this type of chatter in professional settings without fear of reprimand, but still, that says something about her social graces, that she stood above other women of her native country, even younger and prettier ones, to elicit the praise of a powerful man.
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Probably true to some extent, but…
There are women who are “expired” according to your age category but who are nonetheless still worthy of a relationship. I should know, as I’m married to one.
Personality: sassy. She’s an INTJ, and that’s par for the course with them.
Weight: slender. She is in the 5th percentile(!) for her age and height, in other words, what used to be considered “normal” in the good old days.
Face: very pretty. She still gets hit on by strange men sometimes, when she takes the time to put on makeup and get dressed up.
All in all, a much better choice than many young women, assuming you don’t want children, which I don’t.
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Read about the St. Leykis disclaimer: http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.de/2012/08/the-cappy-cap-manual.html
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Why oh why marriage if you don’t want children?
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Beta tell, just as the “older women are better” bit.
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Speaking of men with options, and what will do to exercise those options:
“Paris might be forgiven for falling for Helen, but was his next best option so much worse that it was worth starting a war?”
http://www.epjournal.net/blog/2013/02/love/
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when my girlfriend wife now called me to come get her from the place she was if someone would of tried to stop me from saving her i would of fought to the death
the current one kept wanting me to rescue her kind of like that wanted me to beat dudes to prove something the diference is my wife wanted me to save her from something and beating dudes might of been required but this recent chick just wanted me to beat dudes for the sake of beating dudes
be smart enough to know the diference between manipulation and reality and shittesting
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wanted me to beat up her husband but ya can tell the dude loves her and they got kids so how the fuck am i gonna beat the dude up ain’t my fuckin job
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Stay clear of that one.
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It’s epic poetry. It’s true in the sense that hot-blooded men will kill for pussy, and if you turn it into a story with lots of warriors and killing you’ll get a bigger audience. Ancient Greek bards had to eat, you know.
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just a question… would the following measurements be considered a great body? or just a bangable one?
slender but not hourglass
32C – 27 waist – 37 hips .72 WHR
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How great your body would look depends more on the shape of your ass, and the form of your tits. Us men don’t really give a shit about your measurement, the same WHR and BMI would look differently on different women, and therefore attract different guys.
Hell, if you can do cardio everyday and follow a healthy diet, it’s pretty much guaranteed that your body would be hot enough for a decent male population. If you want to put more effort into your workout, do it for yourself, not for a potential boyfriend.
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I do exercise, nothing too intense, just basic pilates stuff. I like how it makes my stomach look.
Also follow a gluten-free, dairy-free diet.
I guess not all 32Cs are made the same?
I can’t post pics because I don’t want my stuff out there 😦
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Don’t post anything to the thread. If you’re going to use a picture, put it in on your gravatar so you can remove it whenever you want.
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People can still do screencaps and save the image btw. Trust me, if there was a consequence free of putting your pics up I’d be the first : /
Husband doesn’t allow it because of my belligerent online persona ; _ ;
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I’d be insulted if they didn’t! If I have my photo on a dating site where all kind of people I don’t know are looking at it, I may as well have it visible at a place where lots of people I enjoy being around are.
haha I never noticed you being belligerent.
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I enjoy Kate’s Gravatar pics…
I have thought about opening a Gravatar account, but I am really not a blogger, although I have thought about starting.
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I don’t reckon pilates to be much of an effective cardio exercise. It’s more of a stretching/core supplement to another activity. I don’t do pilates, so don’t take my word for it. I’ve only done some intermediate-level yoga, to help with my muay thai training. Yoga is hard to master, but it’s not particularly straining, or tiring. I suppose it’s the same for pilates. But hey, do whatever you want, as long as it works.
As for your boobs, just don’t think about them. It will only cause insecurity and lower your self-confidence. Personally speaking, while I’m generally turned off by anything bigger than C, a bright smile, and a chatty personality (obviously, the “sweet” type is the deal-breaker for me) can pretty distract me from her DDD breasts long enough for me to fall in love xD. So hell, just be your confident, friendly self and males will be attracted to you, regardless of their boob preferences.
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You’ll know it when we see it. Put up pics. I’ll be gentle, I promise.
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that’s a bottom-heavy hourglass. you didn’t mention your height. if you’re only 5′, you’re a chunky bottom-heavy hourglass.
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hmm.. I highly doubt that. I weigh about 110 and am 5’3. No one would call me pear shaped and I have really thin legs. I guess I’ll never really know 😦
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Bear in mind that the 32 in that 32C is measured under the boobs, round the ribcage. So round her tits is more like 35-37, depending on the fit of the bra.
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38″ bust, I should have included that.
38,27,37
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6 inch difference? Then you’re likely fucking up your back by wearing the wrong bra size. You could fit 32 DD, E or F depending on your shape. Go get properly fitted.
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38-27-37 at 5’3″? i know a girl who has those measurements at 5’5″ and she’s what i would call thick.
those measurements are going to look a bit awkward with really skinny legs.
what do you eat?
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C is a good size.
that is good in two ways
Your small 32 chest/frame makes your C cup look even bigger
Your relatively big breasts make the rest of your body look more tiny and “delicate”
in theory it should…but I have no idea what you really look like
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i always chuckle at the hamster narrative of, “i’m pretty (usually the indication of a 5-6), and sweet, and cool, but my bf still adores me despite blah blah blah.
whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep well at night cupcake.
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will you please quit wavin’ that piece in my face!
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Seriously. I can hear the ocean.
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The woman’s version of this … a girl would break up with a beta male, run away … only to crawl back to him and live happily ever after because she’s so awesome. She finally settled down, because the plain jane doesn’t even have a chance to ride the cock caoursal, because she’s … plain.
Such is the life of an ugly woman.
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You say you covet a ~sweet~ woman, but you shit all over our sweetness. And you deride us when we become sarcastic and hardened. A+. I feel like the only benefit of being a douchebag-approved brand of physically attractive is that it gives me an in to fuck shit up for men like you. You all deserve terrible things in life.
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I feel like the only benefit of being a douchebag-approved brand of physically attractive is that it gives me an in to fuck shit up for men like you. You all deserve terrible things in life.
yes, this is what a truly sweet woman would say. lolz
how long after your dad left did your mom shack up with another woman?
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have you noticed all the guys gettng terrible things in life for being nice to woman and taking care of them and having kids wth them and treating them like special snowflakes and giving them everything they want and the chick don’t even have to work gets life handed on a platter and then fucks up the guy who gives it to her the fuck
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Lawyer.
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http://news.yahoo.com/indian-woman-12-hunger-strike-charged-002440708.html
god dang
where does this chick fall on the spectrum
i’d feel comfortable marrying her if she would agree he he he
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oh shit it’s feministx! we’ve got a celebrity here.
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I noticed you didn’t have a Plain/Slender/Sweet category in the hierarchy.
That’s mostly been my niche, as I’ve never been able to pull the high end, and much prefer to give on facial beauty before I will on the bod.
Tragic how few slender, healthy, curvy women there are in today’s USA, regardless of what their face looks like.
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WTF? Where is the plain-ugly/slender/young/sweet option? It’s like you don’t even know that plain slender women exists(some with even hot body; face may be genetic, but body is totally trainable). You really need to stop with these silly generalisations and get out more.
Also, by your definition, sweet and dull tend to be the same person.
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Perhaps it’s a fetish of mine, but I find something irresistable about a plain-faced woman with a spectacular figure. Da dick don’t lie.
Of course, with the obesity epidemic, hot-figured American women, even with a 4-face can still have the shitty attitude of a bona fide 9.
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Maybe its because the face is for everyone, but the body is just for you. You have less competition with a plain-faced woman so she might be more loyal, but you still feel like you’re with a hottie because of the body 🙂
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In the dark, or in faint light, a homely girl with killer ass/legs/tits, waist:hips ratio beats a woman with a gorgeous face and an average body, hands down. For me, anyways.
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Forgot to mention the banging-from-behind aspect, where a plain face is no handicap whatsoever.
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While It might be to easy to tell ugly from pretty, it’s always a loud debate amongst my male friends whether a chick is plain, pretty, or gorgeous (though there’s also side-argument about the line between ugly, plain, and beautiful) If your face is too perfect, too symmetric, you risk being plain; the truly eye-catching face has to have some defects to stand out. However, this extra teeth, or this mole might be attractive on this person’s face, but totally horrendous on another’s. A 5 tends to stay 5 to everyone, but a 9 to this guy can be a 2 to another.
To prove my point, just look at the female models, actress, and pornstars. They are supposed to be professionally beautiful, right? Just ask any male, they would tell you that they can’t even bear to look at at least half of those model’s face.
Heck, you’d probably get the same answer if you ask about their bodies. Beauty IS heavily subjective.
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Excellent observation/comment Kate
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Thanks 🙂
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but I find something irresistable about a plain-faced woman with a spectacular figure.
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me too. Also, deaf girls, braces, gimpy leg… Kate, can you post a picture of yourself with them big ass beer can rollers in your hair?
(while you smoke a cigarette and cook some eggs)
thanx
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You might want to brace yourself, when you hear this: I’m partially deaf in one ear, have worn bifocals since twenty-five, and I sprained my ankle this fall! We’re soulmates! Oh, wait. I don’t smoke 😦
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That would require a black person having a soul.
They have Soul, but, not being human, have no souls.
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This blog is on point and laugh-out-loud funny. Wow. Freaking awesome.
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The problem is the sweet natured 7/8 can turn into a caustic fatty at any point and once you are married and have children what the fuck can you do ?
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no, people don’t suddenly turn into instafatties overnight. potential wives/ltr’s need to be screened for potential fatness. make note of their eating habits, the friends they keep (lots of fat friends = red flag), how they exercise, etc. there are always warning signs, you just need to look out for them.
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Bring her with you on your daily workout, introduce her to your workout mates Nothing works better than setting an example. Running, biking, pilates, yoga, liifting, wrestling, mountain climbing, calisthenics, even dancing, they are all fun activities for couples. Hell, I even convince my ex to my muay thai club for some cardio kickboxing.
If you don’t work out, don’t expect your girlfriend/wife to be fit and skinny when you’re a lazyass.
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Here’s an article where a woman correctly observes the following:
1. Observe that women compete viciously with each other to monopolize status rather than acting as a universal, collective sisterhood.
2. Observe that women see other women as their primary enemies in status-competition.
3. Observe that the more women there are, the more aggressive inter-female competition becomes.
Rather than figuring out this is a universal, natural female behavior, of course, her hamster wheel gets going to find a way to absolve women of the apparent crime of not behaving like men, leading her to…
4. Conclude that it’s all men’s fault for inventing capitalism and working in the first place. Yep, if *even more* women were in the workplace, they’d stop acting like women!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323884304578328271526080496.html
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Great article!
I love this part;
[ …] 40% of the reported bullies were women. […] reported that female bullies directed their hostilities toward other women 80% of the time […] Male bullies, by contrast, were generally equal-opportunity tormentors….
I love it when studies use facts – especially facts reported by women – to expose women as the bitch most of them are.
and most women will tell you; they would rather work for a male than a female boss.
No wonder men used to be in charge, it was better for everyone.
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The same apply for men.
Sheesh, I wonder what game would the alpha gays come up with to seduce us straight men.
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But what of D.C. with its seemingly essential two-income earning households attempting to keep pace with stratospheric COL? This is where many men of my acquaintance do indeed want a co-worker not a wife. They also really seem to enjoy being bossed around and publicly humiliated by their shrill harpies. So many of these so-called “tandem” couples exist in gov service. Should be called wheelbarrow couples considering zaftig appearances
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That is if the guy wants to play the game. A “9” or a “10” escort/hooker/prostitute can be easily rented for two c-notes or less if you go to the right place.
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I love your blog but I wish do another one for women (to decode men and to improve themselves), that would be great great GREAT.
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This is a total immersion program 🙂 More valuable than articles is experience.
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It’s not hard. Men like women who are young, pretty, feminine, and pleasant. If a woman has a problem with finding men, she’s some combination of young, ugly, manly, and crabby.
Everything on that list can be fixed except the “young” part. If a woman decides to wait until she’s 40 to find a good man, she’s already ruined her chances permanently (but even then, there are men over 50 who don’t want kids and don’t really have any chance with younger, more attractive babes).
Lose some weight, put on a little make-up, wear a skirt, and be nice, and you’re already in the top 20% of American women.
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I disagree with most of this comment about age. I am 50 and I find a LOT of women in their ’40’s who have kept themselves up to be extremely attractive and hot.
Most of the time, their kids are grown and gone, and my son has been gone a long time, so I am single and fancy free. I find hot 40-somethings way more attractive than younger women with multiple offspring in tow.
Just a thought.
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An alpha in his sixties can still get women in their late teens and twenties.
Meanwhile, above, Yareally forgets that alphatude + money beats alphatude + bus-fare.
Money is not an immaterial factor and there should be more than just a few guys here who have more than one mistress in the 8, 9 and 10 range where the logistics of the relationships require money. Saying that money is not a factor is also the equivalent of saying women aren’t whores and, therefore, that whole way of thinking is too feminist friendly. Sure, whereever there is a heavy concentration of feminists, you will find hardly any women who can be bought by an alpha who keeps her on a short leash. But in such feminist SWPL environements, they can’t be bought for the wrong reasons. They are so sensitive about equalism and avoiding “exploitation”. Go to a less feminist area and you’ll find the natural order of things more. An alpha married businessman can and will keep his teenage mistress from fucking the lesser alpha teenage boys, on penalty of being replaced by a more virginal model.
I’m saying this from first hand daily knowledge of how this works.
Anyhow, it’s a strawman argument to say that, if you gave one of the BOTM guys a hundred grand, they still wouldn’t be able to get laid.
That’s a given.
For money to work properly, the guy has to be at least a lesser alpha.
Being an upper beta with money doesn’t cut it. You have to be an alpha with money.
But being both is not mutually exclusive.
Where YaReally is totally right is that a man must not waste too much time, his youth, trying to get rich.
But then, a man will do better in the long run if he does go to work in a career and earns that paycheck even though the cost of doing that would be that he wasn’t out collecting contacts in day game.
I’ve often felt that I could get more girls if I didn’t work and just did day game in the time I could be working.
But I couldn’t imagine juggling the girlfriends I have if I was slumming it and always worried about making ends meet.
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Like I’ve said before, the problem is guys chase money and don’t build the alpha characteristics that are attractive with women. Or if they DO build them, they don’t learn to present them when actually face to face with a woman.
Can’t even count the number of guys I’ve met who are 100% alpha bad-asses in most of their life, dominating their business, doctors saving lives like badasses, MMA dudes kicking other guys’ asses regularly…
But put a petite little hottie with big cute eyes and some titties in front of them waiting for them to bring all that to the table aaaaaaaand…they choke.
Because they spent all that time developing these amazing traits but didn’t spend time exposing themselves to women and cold-approach and learning to deal with logistics, approach anxiety, avoiding ASD, DHV’ing these attributes, handle the pressure of staring down a hottie, etc etc etc.
There’s a reason celebrities, rich dudes, etc sign up for PUA bootcamps. I heard about a porn star dude who signed up because he didn’t know how to meet/date a normal girl for a normal relationship. Being alpha in one part of your life just doesn’t translate to being alpha around women (even though LOGICALLY it should). It’d be great if it did, but I will put my money ANY day on the poor jobless guy who’s banged 100 cold-approach chicks over the rich CEO with a BMW and 3 drunken lucky ONSes and a string of hookers under his belt.
Which is better for meeting girls:
Rich dude who wakes up in his mansion up on a hill he lives alone on, drives his BMW alone to work where he’s CEO alone in his office and only interacts with his employees to give them orders to avoid starting office drama. On the weekends he goes out, if he’s not working, but if he meets a girl he gets her # and can hopefully squeeze her in next week sometime if their schedules align and he lucks out and gets a few hours in, between the daily gym workout to keep that six-pack. Of course because he’s rich she expects him to take her to dinner and impress her and she doesn’t want him to think she’s a slut so she won’t put out for 2 or 3 dates…which again he has to schedule in, that is if she hasn’t lost interest by the time he can meet up again.
Or the poor guy, who lives in an apartment building where he knows most of his neighbors and a handful of them are college girls and guys and he can go over for beers…he lives with a roommate who’s social and parties too, so he meets girls through his roommates social circles as well as his own. He always has people to party with and meets new ones frequently. He has no car so he takes the subway where he chats girls up to pass the time on the ride. At work he’s just an office drone and mingles with his co-workers all day and invites them out to party after work since he’s not the boss and its not a faux pas to befriend his co-workers. On the weekends he parties it up and when he meets girls he grabs #s and is available any day of the week. He’s not the boss of the company so he can skip work if the hottie he met is only available during the day. His responsibilities are lax so he txts girls all day and he’s out of the office at 5 on his way to happy hour with his co-workers to meet girls while his boss slaves away keepin the business running so he can afford to pay for his new BMW.
A lot of guys think they’re going to become rich and get a 6-pack and then they’ll just walk into a club and blam blam start tearing it down like shooting fish in a barrel. Then they try it. Then they choke. Then they find PUA. 🙂
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The world does not exist for your needs, woman.
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You guys know who Lilith is don’t you? She’s Adam’s demon wife from pre-biblical myth.
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What about labia size? Can we include this in the model?
http://www.xojane.com/sex/girl-talk-i-have-long-labia
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fWHR in men probably needs to be adjusted for race. Otherwise, Asian men would be the most un-PC bomb throwers in the world. 1 hour ago ””””””
they are
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you see asians getting fucked with?
even though their army technology sucks
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OT: beautiful white-knight song
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With feminism destorying personailty for women, that leaves only looks. Which is rapidly being destoryed as well.
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Ironic isn’t it? Feminism has increased the value put on female looks, as they stripped away all inner beauty women had to offer.
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i saw marriage after marriage dude in indo got
””1. Hot/Slender/Young/Sweet
and virgin””””””””
and the dude was making 100 bucks a month so tell me not alpha
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You should look into writing material for either stand up or TV comedians or comic actors! If delivered properly, this would be absolutely hilarious TV. And you would join the ranks of celebrity enabled super-alphas!
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I’d say i’m number 6 but I am not man-like and I’d be considered old.
So I guess I’m a 6a. LOL
Fine by me!!! Actually this kind of beta guy is perfect for my age group and such.
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you need to shut your face too neecy. go back to compton
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Only if you promise to join me?
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Meh, I would give you a 7.
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Neecy,
As a white man I prefer white women but you do have a nice face ( never mind the number/rating , not two men would agree )
all pics are of your face only…what is wrong with your body?
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Why should an older man settle? As I get older, I see less and less reason to marry. If you want children, yes. You are going to devote your energies to them. But, if you are beyond that need, getting married in our culture is worse than senseless. And, most women are as boring as hell.
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[…] Male Settling Order. Aiming for #3 and will settle for naught less: I’ve always preferred cute (pretty) to hot anyway. […]
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You forgot those who refuse to settle for less than they would have gotten in a healthy society, and those who leave for better parts of the world.
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Honest question for CH commenters: Does being a shy man artificially restrict your options then if you say, recovered and were able to speak to chicks much better?
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I have gone with Pretty/Chubby-Bangable (borderline here)/Young/Sweet. She’s carrying more weight than is ideal, but at least puts it in the right places. I sacrificed here because I happen to enjoy a large rack and am willing to overlook some flaws elsewhere to get it. So it made sense for me.
Contrary to the original post, I’d rather make the sacrifice in looks department (but only to a certain point! No ogres need apply) than the personality department. Not because I give two shits about white-knighting, but because bitchy women are just exhausting to have around. One who cooks, cleans and generally listens rather than whines has a certain appeal that can overcome minor deficiencies in appearance. However, as you might guess, she is a Latin woman, and the daughter of first-generation immigrants. There is something to be said for not going with Western women, if you want these things.
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This post sounds like it was written by some lonely jilted asshat on his 50th consecutive Saturday night home alone. What a waste of time.
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Reblogged this on John Khuc and commented:
Alpha world. Here I come.
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[…] Source: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/the-settling-order-of-men-with-limited-options/ […]
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