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Was Satoshi Kanazawa Right?

March 6, 2013 by CH

Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary scientist and former columnist at Psychology Today who wrote an article (since pulled, and which got him fired from the magazine) about the attractiveness of the different races of women, (concluding that black women were the least attractive), might, in the end, have had his analysis vindicated.

Peter Frost, over at his blog, Evo and Proud, has a good post delving into a study by Michael Lewis et al which examined the attractiveness of the big three races. He starts with a primer about the evidence that beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, it is objectively measurable and only “subjective” inasmuch as the perception of objective beauty resides in the individual brain.

Notions of human beauty seem to develop along similar lines in all humans. Children as young as 2-3 months old look longer at female faces that adults have rated as attractive, be they white infants looking at faces of black women rated by black men or black infants looking at faces of white women rated by white men (Langlois et al., 2000; Langlois et al., 1991; Langlois et al., 1987; Langlois and Stephen, 1977). Similar findings have been obtained with adults of various racial/ethnic origins (Bernstein et al., 1982; Cunningham et al., 1995; Maret, 1983; Miller, 1969; Perrett et al., 1994).

In the most comprehensive of these studies, Cunningham et al. (1995) assessed criteria of female beauty among men of different ethnic backgrounds: Taiwanese, White Americans, Black Americans, and recently arrived Asian and Hispanic students. All of them perceived a female face to be more attractive when possessing high eyebrows, widely spaced large eyes with dilated pupils, high cheekbones, small nose, narrow face with thin cheeks, large smile, full lower lip, small chin, and fuller hairstyle.

To be sure, the East Asian men tended to prefer more immature and inexpressive faces whereas the Black American men tended to prefer women with larger buttocks and a heavier body build. These differences in preference, however, are much smaller than the differences in physique that actually exist among human populations.

Just as I have been saying: there are universal beauty standards molded by smaller regional racial preferences.

So what happens when physically different populations come into contact with each other? Are some judged to be better looking than others? And is there consensus on this judgment?

The anticipation is killing you! I hope it lasts.

Finally, Lewis addresses the possibility that this gender asymmetry may reflect an underlying asymmetry in sexual attractiveness: “If there are differences between the relative attractiveness of the genders between different races then asymmetries in interracial marriage will follow.” To this end, he asked male and female volunteers to rate the attractiveness of human faces that differed by ethnicity and gender. Of the male raters, 15 were White, 2 were Black, and 3 were Asian. Of the female raters, 14 were White, 3 were Black, and 3 were Asian.

The results are shown at the top of this post. Female raters gave the highest ratings to Black men, followed by White men and East Asian men. Male raters gave the highest ratings to East Asian women, followed by White women and Black women. There was no significant interaction between the race of the rater and the race of the face being rated.

This research, at least, supports Kanazawa’s theory that black women are the least attractive of the major races of women. Read the comments to Frost’s post as well. They are very good and blessedly free of feminist or equalist cant, even the ones which question the validity of the study or the conclusions one can draw from the data. Interestingly, in the chart appended to the top of Frost’s post, the standard deviation — or “spread” — of beauty is highest among white people (and lowest among blacks, except for Asian males). So, although the white beauty average is higher, there are more very ugly people and very beautiful people within the white race. The spread between ugly and hot, in other words, is greatest among whites. This observation falls in line with what appears to be a general trend for whites to have very large spreads in quality along multiple measurable human traits.

White people are, essentially, nature’s favored evolutionary guinea pigs. They are experimented on to a greater degree than other races, and as a result there are a lot more experimental failures, and a lot more experimental successes, within the white race.

My personal opinion on this matter of interracial attractiveness — besides the belief that nothing pricks the collective id like a rip-roaring, no-egos-spared discussion about the hotness of this or that group’s women — is that, like the women of most races, there are a fair number of hot black chicks I have seen whom I would most assuredly and happily defile with sweet lovemaking. And there are a lot of gross white women I wouldn’t touch with Tim Wise’s precious anti-racist dick. Honey Boo Boo’s mom comes to mind as a perfect example of the genre.

But we are talking about averages. If you don’t know what an average is, you should leave the internet and return when you are more enlightened than a garden slug. And, on average, I have noticed that some races just have proportionately more bangable women than do other races.

That’s all. If you can’t comment below without propping your ego with a strawman, or a hayfield of strawmen, you will be banned. Life is too short to tolerate obtuseness and trollery.

Anyhow, Frost talks about his own research into facial attractiveness, and explains where his conclusions or theories differ from Lewis’ study above.

Nonetheless, there are significant differences between my findings and Michael Lewis’. The cross-cultural study showed a general preference for lighter-skinned women, but only at the lighter end of the local range of skin color. We see this in folk terminology. Traditionally, a beautiful woman was ‘white’ in Europe and East Asia, ‘golden’ in Southeast Asia, and ‘red’ in sub-Saharan Africa.

As for my menstrual cycle study, the darker male face was indeed more strongly preferred by women in the first two-thirds of the menstrual cycle, i.e., when estrogen levels are high and not offset by progesterone. Yet, even in that group, there was still more preference for the lighter male face. In other words, estrogen seems to weaken a woman’s resistance to darker male skin, without reversing the direction of preference, at least not fully. […]

Finally, the ideological environment has changed over the past twenty years. In Lewis’ study, the White raters showed no tendency to prefer their own kind—an unusual finding in itself. Many of them may have thought long and hard before choosing a White face over a non-White one. Of course, this possible anti-White bias would not explain the gender asymmetry. It would simply shift all preferences towards the darker end of the color spectrum.

And that leads to another point. Perhaps some of the raters were unconsciously using East Asian preference as a proxy for White preference. In our current ideological environment, it is legitimate to admire East Asians for a wide range of good qualities: politeness, work ethic, self-discipline, attractive facial features, and so on. Such admiration incurs no social cost. So if you feel ashamed of your preference for White people, why not repackage it as East Asian preference?

Frost posits an evolutionary mechanism by which black men and white women would become more physically attractive over generations.

In some populations, men competed against each other for access to women. This was especially so in tropical ‘horticulturalist’ societies where year-round farming enabled women to provide for themselves and their children with little male assistance. For men, the cost of taking a second wife was close to zero and may even have been negative. Such societies thus had a high polygyny rate and correspondingly intense male-male rivalry for mates. The pressure of sexual selection was therefore on men.

In other populations, women competed against each other for access to men. This was especially so in continental Arctic societies where men provided almost all the food and where long-distance hunting caused more deaths among young men than among young women. Such societies thus had a low polygyny rate and a surplus of women on the mate market. The pressure of sexual selection was therefore on women (Frost, 1994a, 2006, 2008).

I’ve come across this theory before in different outlets, so it’s not like Kanazawa is some kind of freakish radical for suggesting it in the pages of Psychology Today.

A reader mildly objects:

My one caveat is that black women may not photograph as well as women of other races.  Having recently spent some time in the Caribbean around (non-fat) black women and I can say that there plenty _plenty_ of good looking black girls, at least where I was.  But I’ve never found black women all that attractive in photographs.  And the obesity epidemic in the US has hit them hard too.

A caveat worth considering. I’ll assume the Lewis study used photographs of slim black women, or at least photos of black women who were comparably thin to the other women, because otherwise that would qualify as a major flaw and oversight by the researchers.

As for the idea that black women photograph worse than women of other races, I’m not sure I buy it. Bodybuilders have known for a long time that tanned skin, sometimes tanned to the point of orange-y absurdity, looks better in glossy mags. Darker skin captures plays of light in more pleasing ways. Perhaps the reader is referring to the facial bone structure of black women, what with their pronounced jawlines and unappealing prognathism, and how that may contribute to their looking worse in photos. That’s possible, but I can’t figure out a way that theory would work such that the faces which look bad in 2D look better in 3D. Maybe some photoshop experts in the audience could lend their opinions.

Also, is it possible that sexual selection in some outlier black majority communities, like the Caribbean, runs the other way, producing hotter women and blander men? A sex skew in the favor of men could certainly produce more beautiful women over time. So could a greater demand by women for men who can provide for them. You might see this happening in black societies with white minorities, where the continual reminder of the minority’s higher status compels black women to seek out more paternal and productive and less showboat-y caddish black men. Or you might see it in societies where the women are not able to provide for themselves as easily as they can in lands with more fertile soils and better climate or where there’s a generous welfare system in place that substitutes for male provision. Pure speculation, but isn’t that the seed corn of scientific truth?

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  1. on March 6, 2013 at 12:39 pm naguala11

    I think the most attractive women are the ones who are mixed races, because in the mix you get great combos such as: pale skin with very dark hair/black hair and light eyes or dark skin with dark hair and light eyes. This is killer.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 12:39 pm naguala11

      I am personally a fan of the pale skin with black hair and green or blue eyes.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm Jeff R.

      The dark/light combo, if done right, can yield statrospheric boner-results.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 3:12 pm ar10308

      Actually, you’re more likely to find them in very pure versions of white ethnicities.
      A Scots-Irish/French girl with pale skin, blue eyes and dark brown or black hair. Another would be another Scots-Irish blend of pale skin, red hair and green eyes.

      As soon as you blend the races, those clean, concise features lose out to shades of mauve.
      Skin color will get darker but hair will not get lighter so you lose that contrast.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 7:11 pm naguala11

        I am mixed myself, I have pale skin with black hair. My heritage is northern italian, spanish, french and native-american. I just wished I had my mom’s green eyes…

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 7:12 am asdf

        You’re white mixed with more white.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 7:20 am naguala11

        no, I have the native-american heritage too.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 9:46 am Zombie Shane

        If you are serious – i.e. if you really do have significant Native American heritage – then you almost certainly won’t be able to cut the mustard in Chem E.

        Less than 8% of the Native American students at the Carlisle Academy were able to master the curriculum there, and it certainly wasn’t anything more than what we’d expect out of a good junior or senior student in high school nowadays, at roughly the Honors or A.P. level [i.e. roughly IQ 115-125].

        Whereas you’re gonna need an IQ way out in the vicinity of 125-135 in order to keep your head [barely] above water in Chem E.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm naguala11

        hi, zombie shane, my native american heritage is very ”far away” from me, it was like in the middle of 1800, something, I have the IQ to Chem E, I passed the course in second place, I could even do medicine with my score on the test if I wished. I always got A grades at school, blabla, I am sure I can do it. xD

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:00 pm Anonymous

        Agreed with the pale skin and the hair and the eyes. This is basically Celt.

        Western French and North Western Spanish are predominantly Celt, and have light skin and dark or red hair, with green, blue or brown eyes… sometimes black eyes (one of my favorites… the “selkies” [long story… we have weird myths]).

        My all-time favorite girls are Spanish Celt girls. Mmm hmm.

        ∞

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:01 pm ar10308

        Spanish Celt? Can you post a pic so I know to what you are refering?

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm Anonymous

        Brown hair, light eyes.

        Here’s a Brazilian model for Spanish vogue that fits the description.

        ∞

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 5:30 pm Anonymous

        Got you an autentica de España.

        ¡Coño!

        ∞

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 8:49 pm ar10308

        I like these ladies.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 10:25 pm Anonymous

        Because, based upon your interest in them, you are most likely a heterosexual male that either wants to reproduce, or has sperm that wants to reproduce. Aside from the hips which in a pre-modern-medicine world should be wider, those girls are breeders in every way.

        “Fitness”.

        ∞

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 6:57 pm TheRookie

      It makes sense that if two people with highly divergent genetic backgrounds marry they will create a wide spectrum of children. For example, if a curvaceous but ugly black women marries a handsome but skinny white man, they would tend to produce four different types of children:

      1. one with the attractive qualities of both parents (blue eyes, attractive face, robust body, light hair, smooth skin)
      2. one with the attractive qualities of the husband and negative qualities of the wife
      3. one with the attractive qualities of the wife and negative qualities of the husband.
      4. one with the negative qualities of both parents (weak body, dark eyes, ugly face, bad skin, dark hair)

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 7:14 pm naguala11

        I don’t think dark hair is ugly, in my opinion dark hair with pale skin IS the most beautiful combination and dark skin with light hair the ugliest.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 7:17 pm naguala11

        for me: dark hair with pale skin> light hair with pale skin> dark hair with dark skin> light hair with dark skin.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 7:28 pm Reader

      —-

      Biological Problems With Mixed-Race Children and Relationships:

      http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html

      —–

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  2. on March 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm whorefinder

    This post has nothing to do with rape.

    Sadness.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:13 pm WhoCares

      Statistical Rape!

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:56 pm josh

      Aww whorefinder,dont be sad. Think of this study as a guide to which women are most likely to experience,at your hands, …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… RAPE!

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  3. on March 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm Flavia

    The photography theory does not make sense. If anything East Asian women, with their more 2D faces should (and DO) photograph worse. It is a long standing reason why even in Asian, a lot of the models are European or Eurasian with more pronounced foreheads and “high” noses.

    I do notice a similar trend of more attractive East Asian women, but as far as sublime beauty, nothing beats a White chick.

    Furthermore, races for the most part do tend to prefer each other. I for one, can appreciate the attractiveness of a black man, but would not want to date one, despite what this study says.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 pm whorefinder

      If anything East Asian women, with their more 2D faces should (and DO) photograph worse
      —You don’t watch a lot of porn, do you?

      Just type “me love you long time” into a porn search engine and see what you find.

      I for one, can appreciate the attractiveness of a black man
      —skank

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:10 pm Flavia

        Ha! You guys are so predictable. I knew that’d comment would rile ya’ll up.

        …says the guy who watches Asian porn btw.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:56 pm n/a

        If only I had a regiment of these, The Pink Sweats of Death Regiment!

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 12:18 pm gunslingergregi

        yea she havin orgies without anyone lol

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:05 pm n/a

        @Greg,

        I believe she’s had company from time to time. 😉

        These Japanese kittens are so serious, they *train* for their porn antics. Glorious.–

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 6:33 pm gunslingergregi

        there is nothing like a woman who takes her sex seriously and trains that putty

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm josh

        Indeed!

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:25 am Creo

        “I for one, can appreciate the attractiveness of a black man..”

        Maybe you should change your name to Flavia Flav?

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 10:33 am Flavia

        You guys are all up in a tizzy over that phrase eh? I wonder if it’s the same commenters that were talking about their yellow fever a few posts back….

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 11:56 am whorefinder

        Listen up you dumb skank.

        If you’ve been coming on this blog this long and haven’t learned, you never will, but here goes:

        1. There is a difference between men and women. Different standards. Men who fuck around are much better than women who do.

        2. Asians are human. Blacks are not.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm Nicole

        Cry baby cry…

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:55 pm Flavia

        Losing your cool is not very alpha.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 5:06 pm aleister

        Whorefinder knows the score 😀

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 7:52 pm Ed the Department Head

        That was awesome Whorefinder! I Totally Agree!

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 2:20 pm gunslingergregi

      I for one, can appreciate the attractiveness of a black man, but would not want to date one, despite what this study says.””””””””””’

      lol the real reason former chick ended up not with me
      said some shit about she would get with some rapper
      me well if that is what you want then why wouldn’t you follow your dream
      she like well its just a fantasy could never happen
      me well show me a bitch i couldn’t get
      she picked one
      i looked up the chicks publisist and found out how much it would cost to meet with her and could have done it
      doesn’t have to be a dream if that is what you want
      like gbfm says if she makes you think of another dick she is gone

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 2:39 pm Jack

      satoshi’s original article made the claim that black men were the best looking “after controlling for intelligence”. Which translates to “that down syndrome patient is good-looking.. for a retard”.

      don’t know if these studies made the same distinction.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:47 pm corvinus

        In other words, dumb fat white skanks with room-temperature IQ like black dick. That’s not news to anybody around here.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:31 pm Jack

        true. but the IQ was being controlled for on the ratees, not the raters.

        Just based on attractiveness alone, whites were rated more attractive. But Satoshi provided the reasoning that intelligence and attractiveness are highly correlated. smart people being more attractive. His argument that is blacks were relatively more attractive for any given IQ they attained than were white people. Of course, since many whites have IQs unattainable for most blacks, their “relative attractiveness” is a moot point. The White people were more attractive. To claim otherwise is a manipulation of data.

        basically, his argument in generalities is that niggers are less ugly than they are dumb.

        I think he just needed a way to soften to blow in writing something like “black women are less attractive”, so he to make up a way to claim black men were attractive. Of course, it didn’t help much with the PC explosion.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:22 am corvinus

        Of course, it didn’t help much with the PC explosion.

        Meh. Anything less than a blanket denial of racial differences in IQ would have caused a PC explosion.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 11:15 am C

        wasn’t the conclusion to Kanazawa’s study, that the amount of testoterone correlated with attractiveness in men and estrogen with attractiveness in women? black men and women have the highest t levels, and are thus the most and the least attractive.

        the reaction was a great shitstorm, with butthurt black women crying “das raciss” and talking about his “asian micropenis”, completely failing to see the irony.

        Kanazawa-san is usually right, btw.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 11:55 am Jack

        Not exactly.

        He had to stretch a lot to make the connection.

        White men were rated the most objectively attractive even in the Kanazawa study.

        He said “net of intelligence”, black men are better looking. A ridiculous statement to make. A person is good looking based on objective, visual measures. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

        But basically he compared the gaps between white/ black IQs and attractiveness and said the gap for intelligence is larger, therefore blacks are more attractive. It was an entirely illogical conclusion.

        You have to watch the manipulation. Kanazawa is right about a lot but he tends to have blind spots

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:43 pm thwack

        can you guys drop the black cock and get back to game?

        (((shakin my head)))

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 6:15 pm clipse

      In the “Autobiography of Malcolm X” he describes how in the Michigan town he grew up in (and in Harlem) the white girls were consistently the hottest.

      The white girls likewise found the black men the most attractive physically + they acted more alpha. White women would secretly meet their black lovers every weekend and fuck like rabbits.

      This study would confirm that this occurred for biological reasons, rather than because they got off on violating the racial segregation taboo.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 7:13 pm Jack

        he would say that wouldn’t he?

        did the book also mention that he was a gay prostitute?

        The autobiography of Malcolm X is a nice piece of semi-fiction. The world as Malcolm wishes it was.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 8:45 pm Unending Improvement

        Yeah, he’s an interesting figure, and he often says things that would make the most ardent white SWPL’s blanche, but I hardly shed a tear over the fact that he was murdered.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:05 pm Anonymous

        Haley is not known for his accuracy. “Roots” is a fantasy, so I would expect “X” would be the same.

        P.S. I have read bof, in case the haterz wanna hate.

        ∞

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 1:22 am Jumbo-Beef

      Flavia i will only post 2 pictures and if you can beat that then i will SHOCKED until then kindly acknowledge that white women are a dieing bunch of fatties.

      Searched google for HOT WHITE CHICKS found some but not a whole bunch, search HOT ASIAN CHICKS found a world full of them, Do that Flavia maybe then you can get over your narcissism, between where is your friend Lily i need to discuss with her my exploits.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:10 pm n/a

        I’ll go you one better — and the women here would do well to take a gander at this outrageous proof of concept:

        http://forum.scanlover.com/forumdisplay.php?s=2609fd2b776f7075db584b6c6e4f1253&f=24

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm Canadian Friend

        Thanks to both of you for the superb pictures

        I prefer white women but I do like Asian women almost as much

        I have never been with an Asian woman, maybe I should try and meet one…

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:47 pm Lara

        The first picture looks like an Asian girl’s face photoshopped on a white woman’s body.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm n/a

        That’s what reality increasingly looks like. Lots more milk and meat means lots more T & A.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:34 pm Flavia

        What is it exactly you are trying to prove? That we differ in what we find attractive? Ok.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:41 pm n/a

        Are you talking to me?

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 4:00 pm Flavia

        No.

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    • on April 19, 2013 at 9:10 pm wakawaka

      “nothing beats a white chick?” sublime beauty?……well, that may work for a while like in your teens and sometimes 20’s, but it’s down hill for white chicks after that. lol

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  4. on March 6, 2013 at 12:56 pm Backdoor Man

    For whatever reason, I have always been attracted to brown-eyed women. If they are dark-skinned and brunette/black haired, all the better, but without brown eyes, I don’t feel any attraction. Literally, I have seen only a handful of blue or green-eyed women in my lifetime that have turned my crank. I am blond-blue myself, but I am attracted heavily, almost exclusively, to girls from Latin America, the Mediterranean, the Middle East, India, and Japan. I also like paler brunettes or even blonds, as long as they have brown eyes. I don’t know what explains this; it has been this way since I was a very young boy.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:30 pm Nicole

      No surprise that a guy calling himself Backdoor Man would prefer brown eyes.

      Just saying…

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm PetiteOlive

        lol

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:35 pm Flavia

        +1

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  5. on March 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm Backdoor Man

    FWIW, when I lived in Latin America, the girls went crazy for me. Part of it was my status as an American, but being blond-blue was the killer: they thought it was exotic and attractive.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 10:08 pm Anonymous

      Maste Race is popular in Latin America, if only because it screams “not from here” (cuz the men in Latin America are much more Alpha and treat the wimmenz accordingly).

      The wimmenz in Brasil would chase you and call you “Alemão!”

      ∞

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  6. on March 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm sfer

    Female attractiveness may be a function of male investment in their mate and offspring. If men invest a lot in their mate and offspring, they are going to be relatively picky. Birds who don’t invest at all beyond having sex are not picky in the slightest. Why bother, they will have sex with whomever.

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  7. on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm feministx

    one commenter on Evo and Proud made the comment,

    “What about Indians (Indian ones, not American Indians). They tend to have darker skin than Europeans but don’t have negroid face features. Can they be used in some way as a control group when assessing the impact of skin color versus facial features? ”

    Indeed, I would like to know why my 1/6th of the world is *always* absent from these studies. We are a whole other race. A whole other race that looks completely different from whites, asians and blacks. Yet, the scientific community again and again ignores us in studies on race and physical attractiveness.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm whorefinder

      Given how they had their own caste system based on race and color, this is the first sensible thing you’ve ever said, dyke.

      Of course, Indians were segregated from whites in old British colonies, but were also segregated from blacks. Both whites and Indians agreed that Indians did not deserve to have the apes running around Indian communities, raping girls, stealing, murdering, and demanding free things. Indians are civilized,blacks are not.

      Seeing an Indian girl with a black guy is as disgusting as seeing a white or yellow with one. Bestiality is shameful.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 1:26 pm stevie tellatruth

        Heh. I bet no one appreciates internet anonymity more than this dude right here….

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:04 pm Dan Fletcher

        The masked face speaks the heart’s truth.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:07 pm n/a

        Nice aphorism, Dan, and good to see you here.–

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:53 pm Canadian Friend

        Those we are not allowed to criticize are those who rule us.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 11:02 am josh

        WE rae ruled by fat women?

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 8:49 pm Unending Improvement

        I’m not sure Indians were all that segregated from whites in the British colonies, I think it was more that there were so few whites where there were so many Indians.

        A lot of British men took Indian wives and had half-Indian children.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm Flavia

      Indian women I find in general, under East Asian and White and above Black, with greater variation than East Asian- so more chance for great beauty than in EA, but less attractive in general.

      Indian men I would find to be the least attractive, due to darker skin AND somewhat feminine features (deep set, large wide eyes and smaller noses and faces). I do not generally like them though, as all my interactions with them have been unpleasant so my prejudices may play into account (but it does seem that Indian men do as bad as Asian men in the SMP).

      Indians, both of the dot and feather variety are hard to qualify though, due to all the intermixing, especially Caucasian admixture in the high castes (for example a great amount of Hispanics are Indians, but to what degree?).

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:44 pm Ronin

        Also, the stats say that Indians have the smallest penises on planet earth.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:31 pm JayMan

      Interestingly, in India, one can see the apparent affect of attractiveness that Indo-European admixture seems to have had.

      Northern Indians appear to be significantly more attractive than their Southern counterparts, on average.

      Frost is probably correct that the ancient skewed gender ratios (with there being a surplus of women) in Northern Europe/North Asian steppe placed a premium on physical attractiveness, which resulted in generally more attractive people.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 1:43 pm corvinus

        The original Indo-Aryans were apparently closely related to Slavs. For example, they both share the R1a1a Y-chromosome marker.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm Flavia

        Where did you read that? I recently read that Croatians are Aryan, so it would make sense.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 1:55 pm JayMan

        Indeed. Or perhaps more accurately, all the Indo-Europeans originated from one broadly related group, which descended upon Europe and the Middle East in several waves. This group itself seems be a composite of Paleolithic Europeans, Northern Middle Easterners, and North/Central Asians.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm Zombie Shane

        In that general category, Zoroastrian women can be breathtakingly beautiful [although apparently they have shit for a Total Fertility Rate].

        Also, never forget that bluegreen-eyed Afghani chick who was on the cover of National Geographic.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:49 pm Zombie Shane

        LINK: that blue-eyed Afghani chick who was on the cover of National Geographic

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm itsme

        she’s 12 in that photo. they tracked her down years later and she looked like she aged a century.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 9:24 pm ar10308

        Yes. Their fertility rate is shit because Afghani men are too busy fucking teenage boys to bother with their wives.

        And that gorgeous eyed girl aged because of her environment (one of the most brutal environments on the planet), not because she’ll age naturally that way.
        You put a girl that stunning on a diet of healthy fats, proteins and vegetables by the time she’s 14 and you’ll have a astonishingly beautiful woman for the rest of her life. Instead, she’ll age at 4-times the normal rate because she’s living on dust, goat shit and sandcakes.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 9:52 pm Zombie Shane

        In retrospect, an obvious explanation for her features would involve a fair amount of Brit-Afghani miscegenation, on both her mother’s side of the family, and on her father’s side of the family, back circa the 19th Century British campaigns in Afghanistan.

        But she sure was gorgeous.

        Poor little girl.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:10 pm Anonymous

        Zombie… you forget Alexander and his folk.

        ∞

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:30 am corvinus

        Zombie… you forget Alexander and his folk.

        I doubt Alexander and his troops were much more than a drop in the bucket, especially considering that a minority of Greeks and Macedonians themselves have light features (about a quarter of them do).

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 5:24 pm Anonymous

        Corvinus, yes, perhaps, although it does seem that the coastal Greeks have more of these light features (along with their trading partners, the Venetians, etc.). The Celts are most likely from just North of Pakistan as well (this is contested), so those eyes could come from a few different directions.

        ∞

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 10:08 pm Anonymous

        P.S. I should also mention that blue eyes could be an adaptation protecting against snow blindness/water (reflects light more, etc.), and in the North of India/Pakistan, they do not have any shortage of snow. So perhaps they mutated this into their gene pool all on their own.

        ∞

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm feministx

        I would think that northern indians would be more attractive than southern ones. They probably are on average, but all our international female beauties seem to be from the south- Aishwarya Rai, Freida Pinto along with most of our miss world/miss universe winners. This does not entirely surprise me because Indians are a mixture of dravidian (an aboriginal population), indo aryan and arab/persian. Arab and persian Muslims invaded India successfully for a long time, so northern Indians carry more Persian and Arab in them. I think this makes the men more attractive and the women less attractive in comparison to pure Indo Aryans. The south contains less attractive women on average because they are predominantly dravidian, but every once in a while you get a southern Indian girl that shows the Indo Aryan phenotype without an apparent mix of arab or too much dravidian. Hence, Aishwarya.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 2:31 pm Rick Derris

        There is an American actress named Sunny Leone whose family came from the Punjab area and she is really hot. I believe her family were Sikh but don’t hold me to it.

        WARNING: she does not make family friendly movies so trust me on this and don’t look her up unless you are in a “not safe for work or family” environment.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm n/a

        Thank you, that’s one fine piece of fuckmeat.–

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:49 pm corvinus

        I think that’s because Indians are more inbred. A culture where cousin marriage or even uncle-niece marriage is routine is absolute hell on the looks of its women. South Indians are actually more European in culture than North Indians, with less inbreeding. I’ve seen Sri Lankan girls who are absolute knockouts.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 6:30 pm Hugh Mann

        Indian websites are about the only other place in the world where threads like this would exist. So many different groupings, caste system militating against ‘outbreeding’, great interest in who belongs to which group.

        http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-13/mumbai/31688960_1_sperm-donors-childless-couples-infertility

        http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/religion-culture/43302-history-indian-obsession-fair-skin-2.html

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 8:52 pm Unending Improvement

        Really, there isn’t much difference genetically between North Indians and South Indians (or rather there is, but if you take both populations as a whole, they are not terribly different from each other.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:41 pm Mr. Wild

        Tamil girls in the south are prettier and smarter. I don’t care if they’re darker skinned.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm feministx

        Padma lakshmi is tamil and all south indian.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 3:01 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      Oh, a feminist?! That explains it. Sweetie, you Indians from India are dark-skinned Caucasians. Note the straight hair, narrow noses, narrow lips. Ancient Egyptians (culled or admixed into Arab blood now) were born pale white and tanned under the sun. I don’t know how bronze Indians are born, or better yet, were born. There is mixing with increasing ease of travel. The Sahara Desert was a far greater barrier than the Mediteranean.

      http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/ancient-egyptian-hair-and-wigs/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#Classification (click on map)
      http://library.thinkquest.org/16645/the_people/ethnic_berber.shtml

      So basically, Indians are white people of less consequence since early ancient times and get less dramatic association with the word ‘white’. Total detachment is good for Affirmative Action, but Indians that I’ve seen would rather work than be on welfare. Since the discovery of aught the digit, you guys have simply been overshadowed. You are white! No special olympics recognition as a separate race for just one country. Get in line behind Hispanics. Ethnicity is not race, at least if we are to have a meaninful discussion or opinion. The primary (colors of) race are white, black, yellow, and arguably red. The intensional misinformation and lack of information on this is to play your emotions.

      We can’t have an intelligent discussion on social issues until we understand what humanity and life on earth have been. I give my take on it for those who are interested: http://realitydoug.wordpress.com/2ph2kg/2-3-the-synthetic-record-of-life/

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 3:33 pm ow

        We live in the same city. Heh.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        Yes, we do. I thought I was the only one formally sarging the Gville downtown. Cool. FYI, to those not familiar, it ain’t much of a downtown except in comparison to within within a 90 minute drive.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:01 pm gunslingergregi

      20/21 of the world is not in these studies since they usually only done on people from the us

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm josh

      You back again?!

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm feministx

        Who me? yeah. I now have a new blog, which is non-intellectual and entirely focused on my own personal issues. But I for some reason again realized that I liked this blog a few months ago, so I started commenting.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 6:48 pm What

        personal issues should be kept to yourself and not plastered all over the internet you attention seeking cuntdyke. now take that potato head mask off its very distracting

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 12:03 am Mr.Pointyface

        This guy should start a charm school. Do you accost women on the street and remind them how ugly they are?

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 10:29 am What

        the city and my line of work allow me to run into many different people of varying race, size, and religion. out of all the people i cross paths with, nothing pisses me off more than a self entitled ugly feminist bitch dykes. its like they dont know that getting slim, sweet, and feminine instead of man jawed, sarcastic, and all bro bro nigga will get them the world if they even put an ounce of effort into making themselves into better people. yet they keep this attitude. but if you have an ugly fat chick that is sweet, not rude, no attitude, and maybe you know that shes hitting the gym a few times a week and actually trying, i have nothing but respect for them. wouldnt bang em, but still nothing but respect. mr pointyface and potato head should just cuddle up somewhere and pet each others dicks for a while lozlzolzozlzozlzozlz

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 5:57 pm feministx

        What, care to explain how the content of that rant has anything to do with me?

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 8:54 pm Unending Improvement

        No, just ditch all of the pictures on your Gravatar.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 10:10 am What

        especially the potato head pictures

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  8. on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm Lara

    I don’t photograph well, and as my grandmother helpfully point out to me, “That’s really how you look.”.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:08 pm Kate

      Bahahaha! I think you inherited your sense of humor from her 🙂

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 5:03 pm josh

        And your outsized clitty.

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  9. on March 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm Bob Wallace

    My experience has been, as has everyone else’s, that Asian women prefer white men because Asian men (I have been told this many times by Asian women) are effeminate) and that the only ones who like black men are the white dregs no white man wants. As for “evolutionary psychology,” I can make up explanations by the dozens.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 10:37 am Flavia

      White women who go with black men are two of the following 1) undesirable to most white men 2) gold diggers willing to compromise.

      A black man will be with an ugly or fat white woman over a better looking black woman in order to “trade up.” Conversely, there are some attractive white women who will trade down for a bit of money and fame.

      Asian men but be terribly beta if the white manboobs that date Asian girls are considered less beta than they are. I think in Japan it is becoming a truly serious problem.

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  10. on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 pm WhoCares

    Me thinks the white women voted for black guys to not appear racist in this PC BS utopia. Of course, I might be missing something. O.o

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm whorefinder

      Most women these days are whores, so it wouldn’t surprise me. Just means more nigger-fuckers who need some exterminating.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm Holden Caulfield

      That’s possible, although we may need Whiskey to weigh in on this one, since he has some strong opinions about the black man – white woman issues.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 10:38 am Kate

      Are we talking about the study or the election.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:56 pm thwack

        theyre talking about black cock; its all they ever talk about.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:16 pm Kate

        I said election, not erection.

        (“Whisper soft, my dear, for I only hear in my deaf ear.”)

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  11. on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 pm Mike in Texas

    I saw a very exotic looking woman a few weeks ago at the local grocery. She had very beautiful features, mahogany skin color, black hair, and grey eyes. She was very striking.

    She also had a tight little ass that wouldn’t quit and a wiggle and shake to make your back teeth ache and your mouth water…

    I am not sure what mix of race she was, but I thoroughly approve of the recipe.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      You should have asked her to list the ingredients before informing her you’d be willing to make a fresh batch.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm Libertardian

        Well played sir.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm corvinus

      Brazilian?

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  12. on March 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm Entitled DOS user

    “The photography theory does not make sense.”

    Photography does not make sense. They’re only good for psychometry, energy healing, and laying curses. You can’t actually tell what a person looks like from a picture alone. Like I said, makes no sense.

    That doesn’t mean the studies were necessarily flawed. I didn’t look at them much. Maybe they’re flawed, maybe not. Who cares.

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  13. on March 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm itsme

    they’re all pink where it matters anyway

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 pm whorefinder

      black women smell like whore and failure.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 11:08 am Nicole

        It’s called soap. We use it daily whether or not we’ve been sexually active. Historically speaking, I could see why that would be confusing to you.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 12:44 pm Jason

        For the win.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm whorefinder

        lol. Sweetheart, when you’re aligning yourself with warpig, you’ve already lost.

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 7:46 am Nicole

        Hey, if you think people who think water gives you plague demons smell better than people who, even before soap was invented, still bathed and used oil, herbs, and shells, then you’re welcome to your opinion. I was just saying that the smell you apparently find unpleasant comes from soap.

        About soap, an African may not have invented it, but we did perfect it. African black soap is the best in the world.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm whorefinder

        It’s called soap.
        —Yet one more thing black people didn’t invent. And no, whore, the Egyptians were not black.

        We use it daily
        —Not from the way you smell. Or maybe it ain’t powerful enough to cover up your buffalo soldier stench.

        whether or not we’ve been sexually active.
        —With a black woman, it’s not if, it’s for how many other blacks that hour.

        Historically speaking
        —If you knew history at all, you would never stop crying about your failure of a race.

        Looks like a I hit a nerve with warpig!

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm Mike in Texas

        I was with a black woman that always smelled wonderful. Of course she was light skinned and just a fucking knockout.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 4:03 pm whorefinder

        NABWALT

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 7:54 am Nicole

        Whore, you’ve never been close enough to me to smell me. Again, as I said before, you are welcome to your opinions as to whether or not soap smells better or worse than years old curdled bodily secretions, but nobody is obligated to share your opinion.

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      • on May 4, 2013 at 8:45 pm Anonymous

        If YOU ever knew history at all you’d kill yourself after you found out just exactly how inhumane your bloodline is, and you’d have to wonder what separates you from a vulture.

        If YOU ever knew history at all you’d know just about how much of all your nation’s false glory was built upon someone else’s hard work (blacks, hispanics and asians alike)

        If YOU ever knew history at all you’d know just how much your racism and hatred correlates to how much of a scared little bitch you’d turn into if you were ever in a so called “nigger ghetto”

        You’re big and brave behind a cute little green avatar aren’t you?

        Go toting hitler’s bible studies in Crenshaw and I’ll gladly watch you’re repercussions.

        I say what I say proudly because I can say the something on thread as I can in the office and not worry about having to quit my job, or get my ass beat.

        That’s what it feels like to say something and know you’re right 🙂

        Go ahead and call me nigger and jungle bunny and be a trolly-polly, cause that’s as smart as you can ever get sir.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:28 pm Flavia

      You’ve obviously only been with white women.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 10:55 am josh

        Did you ever think that he may have been with NO women a’tall!!

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 11:09 am Nicole

        Photoshop doesn’t happen in real life. We are all pink.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm Flavia

        Everyone of every race has pink labias? Sorry that’s what I was referring to. Or was he referring to the tunnel of love? Then, I have no idea.

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 7:59 am Nicole

        I think he meant the actual vagina.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:49 pm The Karamazov Idea

      I’d have to disagree based on bad personal experience. I spent a while as a lifeguard at a waterpark and a combination of pudgy black women, bikinis a size or two too small and water-slides have caused mine eyes to see some terrible thing. It’s like a Dietz and Watson factory down there.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 3:23 pm Canadian Friend

      Labia is not pink with all races.

      Some of us strongly dislike brown labia.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 11:11 am Nicole

        Not all labia are pink, but most inner labia are some shade of pink to a kind of dark mauve, and all healthy vaginas are pink.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 5:56 pm The Other Jim

      Not really, besides, the real impediment IMO for dating American black women is that their culture and cultural values suck. Not that the general state of womanhood in the US is all that great, but I find American black women to be particularly venal, petty, materialistic, and ignorant. More importantly, I’m quite fond of Western Civilization if not intrinsically rooted to it so there’s little about black culture I find attractive. Sure, there’s some decent music as far as jazz goes, but beyond that there’s really nothing but some sports stars and moderately entertaining modern minstrels that define American black culture. Much ado about nothing. No great plays, literature, operas, art, or architecture. No compelling economic or political philosophies beyond ‘Get all you can from the white devils…’. In essence, black culture has little more to offer than a jig and shuffle.

      The reason why I state this is that is important to remember that if you do marry a woman, you’re not just marrying her, you’re marrying the culture she came from. Even accounting for the liberal SWPL women from the West, there are still women with good cultural values from places like Latin America and even Asia.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:54 am Jason

        I am sitting in a gorgeous apartment complex — garden style — in Los Angeles that was designed by a black man in the 1940s. He was unable to sign his own name to the design for decades. He also designed ten to fifteen semi-major landmarks in this city that locals know quite well.

        Also, I suppose you think that Invisible Man, Raisin in the Sun, and Their Eyes Are Watching God, and the collected poems of Langston Hughes are birdcage liner. Most of the rest of the world thinks these are works of genius.

        Look harder.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 12:02 pm whorefinder

        Lol. Sweetheart Jason thinks like all lefty faggots think: because he can find an exception or outlier to the rule, the rule doesn’t exist.

        Lefties never could understand math.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:09 pm Jason

        The Other Jim’s quote: “No great plays, literature, opera, art, or architecture” from black people.

        I’m showing that he’s wrong. Black people make art, and they make it quite well, and probably in alignment with their numbers as a percentage of American population (e.g. 12%, which has always been much less than the white percentage).

        Add music, however, and they’re probably overrepresented in the arts.

        Got it, hater?

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 4:18 pm Anonymous

        “Black people make art, and they make it quite well, and probably in alignment with their numbers as a percentage of American population (e.g. 12%, which has always been much less than the white percentage).”

        Source?

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 1:41 am whorefinder

        I’m showing that he’s wrong. Black people make art, and they make it quite well
        —exception versus rule: you haven’t contradicted anything. Go back to statistics class.

        Add music, however, and they’re probably overrepresented in the arts.

        –there was a conscious left-wing movement in the 1920s to prove that black people were, IQ wise, to other races.

        This was part of a split amongst the left-wing mindset of the time: half believed in eugenics and wanted to abort black babies (Margaret Sanger being a notable example, but generally Western socialists) to rid themselves of crime and low IQ. The other half (usually those more influenced by Eastern European Communist thought) thought blacks would be great recruits/foot soldiers for the movement, but, in order to draw them into the fold, needed to prove to the eugenics-based leftists that blacks weren’t as stupid or uncivilized as common sense and statistics dictated.

        One method was to hype simplistic black achievements in entertainment as art. So “jazz” was hyped as being “deep” and “soulful” and “like Beethoven” by these leftists. Black literature was pushed (a quota/affirmative action system of the time) as “genius”, even if it took white communists re-writing it to even get to seem passable. Pablo Picasso and other artists started to magically find that simplistic African masks were somehow “deep” and real. It continued on later with rock and roll and rap.

        This worked well, since blacks were good at making entertaining music well. So long as a few critics could argue with a straight face that it was “deep”, a lot of lefties would grasp onto this with all their hearts (not their heads) as “proof” that IQ tests, violence, and the like were wrong.

        But calling black pop music—whether it be jazz, rock and roll, or rap—“art” is like calling the guy drawing caricatures on the boardwalk art. There’s no there there, just simple mindless entertainment.

        hater

        –lol. using ignorant negro terms to attack basic facts won’t work here, ghetto-lover.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 4:02 pm The Other Jim

        Black architect? I take it your referencing Paul Williams, a black architect who worked in mid 20th century Los Angeles. He did good work, often re-interpreting historical styles into modern ones, but he’s not what I would consider a great architect. Competent and solid, but not great.

        “Most of the rest of the world thinks these are works of genius.”

        According to whom? Brits who have bought into the myth multiculturalism and political correctness? Left Social Welfare state Europussies? Even like reliably Liberal-SWPL book lists liek NPR(link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103869541) don’t consider Hughes that great. FYI, I’ve read Langston Hughes, he’s a good writer but none of his work is remotely comparable to the great writers of the 20th century, let alone the past 2-3 centuries or thousand years. Hughes like most black writers falls into a genre of black American literature that regurgitates two themes; blackness and evil whitey.

        Sorry, unless you’re a Liberal SWPL-er no one really cares about Hughes or any other black writer. Oh wait, there’s the Oprah ladyfan group that promotes crap like ‘Stella Got Here Groove Back’. FYI, the real story of Terry McMillan is much more entertaining than her book.

        “Black people make art, and they make it quite well, and probably in alignment with their numbers as a percentage of American population.”

        Not really. And when they do make art, it rarely has the intellectual depth, breadth, and richness that whites (and even asians) display in theirs.

        Coddle blacks as much as you want, the truth is that there’s just not that much there to begin with.

        Much ado about nothing.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 4:18 pm Jason

        Yes, it is Paul Williams — nice call. He wasn’t allowed to even sit next to his white clients, and had to learn to sketch upside down. Kind of like what they say about Ginger Rogers doing everything Fred Astaire did, but backwards and in heels.

        We can argue taste all year, but I did notice that you conveniently ignored all my other literary examples. Hey, if you don’t like black art, and if you want to find reasons to discredit the Harlem Renaissance or Toni Morrison or the Alvin Ailey Dance Troupe, fine — but don’t say those things don’t exist. They do exist, and they’re considered classics by the rest of society.

        As to your statement that black art doesn’t have the intellectual depth, breadth, and richness of white art — MOST art is mediocre. So you can quit flogging just black artists now. We’re all average.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 6:12 pm Eugen

        Are you a communist?

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 8:44 pm The Other Jim

        “We can argue taste all year, but I did notice that you conveniently ignored all my other literary examples.”

        I don’t need to read more black writers to know they are crap writers because everytime I start reading some novel by a black person it almost invariably revolves around blacks dealing with the ‘evil white man’. Talk about limited themes and skills. If it’s not Oprah’s ladyfans promoting crap literature by blacks then it’s all the SWPL-liberals trying to redefine what great literature, art, music, and architecture are.

        Look, if my nephew tells me there’s a leprechaun living in my lawn, do I really need to go look behind every fucking blade of grass just to prove him wrong?

        No.

        Ditto for black literature, art, music, architecture, et al. because sans a very few examples, it’s largely craptacular shyte.

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 7:38 am Nicole

        Jim, it is very likely that like most generic Americans, you’ve just not noticed that an author was African unless the work was about racism.

        Your bad cultural programming is not reality. It amazes me that so many of you claim that you’ve been duped and villainized, but then use the same faulty information to justify your beliefs. You’re either awake or you’re not. Pick one and stick with it.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:06 am John

        Camille Paglia wrote a wonderful essay about Fred Astaire in which she demolished the Ginger-Did-Everything-Fred-Did-But-In-Heels-and-Backwards. But that’s a minor aside.

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 1:42 am whorefinder

        +10

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  14. on March 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm JayMan

    Interesting speculation about local selection for attractiveness among Blacks, and there could be some degree of truth to it.

    One important caveat in the study that Frost cites, as commenter RedZenGenoist notes, it was done in England, which, apparently, is not known for having the most attractive Whites. As well, his point about the effect of the selection of Asian faces is important, as you can see here.

    His general theory about the historical significance about gender ratios is likely correct, and about the results this produced in European and sub-Saharan African populations. The preferences in interracial relationships and apparent stats on how men and women of certain races fare in the mate market speaks to the typical attractiveness of each group.

    I’d like to see a comparison done from more places around the world, with more representative samples.

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  15. on March 6, 2013 at 1:32 pm JS

    I went through my Asian chick phase as a young guy, but now I like tits, ass, and long legs, all places Asian women don’t, uh, excel.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 5:04 pm n/a

      You’d be surprised my friend.

      Again, there is no such thing as “asian.”

      Take a good, *hard* look at the finest JapKo porncooch and you will observe a terrifying reality: it only gets better.

      The legs are rarely long — but often perfected shaped. The tits and ass have been booming for a generation already.

      Elite JapKo pussy is *scary.*–

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 8:52 pm Antifeminist One

        Absolutely this. The (final) solution (lol), is if you dislike some features, don’t select them for breeding.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:26 pm Uncle Elmer

      Asian women have the most shapely breasts of all the races. The tit cultures of SE Asia are replete with ancient stone monuments bearing witness to this fact. A far better information source than your porn collection.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:23 pm n/a

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  16. on March 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm corvinus

    Also, is it possible that sexual selection in some outlier black majority communities, like the Caribbean, runs the other way, producing hotter women and blander men?

    The study was done on black Americans, rather than Africans. Black Americans are descended from a fairly limited section of the African gene pool, from the Sahel region of West Africa. This also happens to be precisely the area of the continent where lifeofalovergirl types go to indulge their Mandingo fantasies, and even the USA’s immigration statistics show a whoppingly larger number of men than women immigrating from those countries coming in on fiancee/spouse visas.

    If you include the whole continent, OTOH, you’ll find much hotter black women. Brazil got many of their slaves from Angola, for example. The Caribbean seemed to rely more on Nigerians than on Sahelians. The continent of Africa, like Europe, thus seems to have a wide distribution of female attractiveness.

    Formulating ideas on black attractiveness by studying black Americans is like formulating ideas on Europeans’ attractiveness by studying British women.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm feministx

      I was going to say the same thing. Most of these studies must not be taking their research focus very seriously because it is a genetic fact that Africans have the highest level of diversity because the rest of us all only represent 60,000 years of differentiation.

      Personally, I suck at knowing if an Asian person is thai or chinese or korean. I hear some people can tell. Not I despite a fair amount of exposure to all groups. However, I, like most people, can easily discern a west african from a sudanese from a Somalian. Then there are the more extreme differences of the Khosian and pygmy people.

      When people do studies on white americans, they take white people from a group of highly intermixed Europeans (as americans tend to be European mutts), but african americans all are from some similar group of west africans.

      My personal observation is that yes, african american women on average have less attractive faces. However, my observation has also been that the average Somalian woman has a face that is more attractive than a woman from almost any European group. And by that I mean dead average Somalian chick, not some kind of model.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 2:26 pm JayMan

        Indeed. It is Caucasoid admixture in the case of peoples from the Horn of Africa.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm dmkaye

        I can identify Asians by country of origin about 90% of the time. It seems really obvious to me, but a couple of my friends can’t tell at all. Differences in visual cortex wiring maybe?

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:17 pm Anonymous

        I never understand what the problem is. It’s clear as day to me. The only issue is whether he/she is Japanese or Korean, due to the historic miscegenation and overall genetic similarity there. Every other race is clearly different, and I do not understand why others do not see it.

        ∞

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm aleister

        I’m from eastern europe and I can identify asian women’s nationality based on their looks.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:52 pm Ronin

        The African women that have an Arab and/or migrant mixture are the prettiest. Iman, Alexa Loren[NSFW+Cheating, she’s Egyptian]

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm corvinus

        Egyptians are a mixed bag. Their women can look like anything from delightful bronzed Cleopatras to inbred freaks.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 7:30 pm driveallnight

        Quick primer: if she’s firing ping-pong balls out of her cooch, she’s Thai.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm Jason

      +1

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 8:29 pm PetiteOlive

      Excellent point Cornivus. I am not sure what kinds of black women they use in these studies (maybe it doesn’t matter) but in Canada, most of the black women, especially middle-upper class are smoking hot! They are mostly first or second generation Ethiopians with killer facial features (small noses, large eyes, high cheekbones, full lips) or Nigerians with amazing hourglass shapes. There’s this Nigerian girl I know whose body is just ba-na-nas….like I honestly can’t even describe it.

      Perhaps African AMERICAN women are just more overall ugly, I have visited some parts and god, the amount of fat black women was something else….but most of the black women I encounter day to day in canada are quite attractive. #can’t hate.

      I am not attracted to black men generally although I have seen a few good looking ones. The attractive ones to me are the non stereotypical black guys i.e. extremely educated, preppy dressed and almost “white washed”.

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  17. on March 6, 2013 at 1:43 pm dannyfrom504

    My weakness is Latinas, especially Mexican girls. I avoid white women like the plague (I’ll fuck, but never commit or LTR one), and black girls are meh to me. Like you said, there are some I’d def gun down, but that’s about it.

    Gimme a Spanish speaking chick anyday. Is it any wonder I’m moving back to Texas then I retire?

    And Latina game is surgical.

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  18. on March 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm Abelard Lindsey

    Black women can be very attractive when they are in shape (e.g. not overweight). In many cases much more attractive than white women. The problem is that the majority of black women in North America are obese.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 1:55 pm The Karamazov Idea

      I think a lot of the reason for their weight struggles are similar to the reason why there are so many prolific black athletes. Sub-Saharan Africa is a survival environment. Only the strong and fit make it and pass on their ability to get the most out of nutrients to their young. When you go days without eating, this is great. When you can’t go hours without a 10pc McNuggets, it’s not so great. Also, bodies tuned towards athleticism and survivability will inevitably show these qualities when conditions are right.

      Of course I’m shooting from the hip, but I’d be interested in an exploration of this from the scientific community. That is if they ever get it past the censorship board known as the academy.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 2:02 pm gunslingergregi

      yea black woman cream of the crop in almost every way
      its nice that they like white men

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 2:25 pm gunslingergregi

        just don’t take their wig or weave out

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm dannyfrom504

      This applies to 99% of all women. Lol.

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  19. on March 6, 2013 at 1:58 pm Anon

    I’d love to see thwack vs whorefinder’s take on niqqers being n°1.

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  20. on March 6, 2013 at 2:05 pm wfprice

    Satoshi Kanazawa is really hammering this gender issue. He just came out with an article about why children should have their fathers’ surnames.

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  21. on March 6, 2013 at 2:15 pm AlphaBeta

    “White people are, essentially, nature’s favored evolutionary guinea pigs. They are experimented on to a greater degree than other races, and as a result there are a lot more experimental failures, and a lot more experimental successes, within the white race.”

    I would posit that this is due to the economic success of the white race overall. Selection pressure (who gets to make babies) only works if unfavorable individuals in a population are culled from the herd; they’re removed by not having kids. An ugly motherfucker from a less economically successful race simply would not reproduce, but an ugly fuck that’s economically successful has a higher chance of passing on his ugly genes. Economic success produces an effect that’s almost like reproductive socialism as far as modern society is concerned.

    This trend follows across the entire human population. There’s no real selection pressure on humans (like environment, disease, etc.) that happens to other animals. At the most, we’re subject to something I would call medical selection, where the people with access to the best healthcare are more likely to pass on their genes than those who aren’t; and healthcare is directly related to affluence. In other races, healthcare might be affected by something like the halo effect, keeping the pretty people alive at the expense of the ugly. Of course, this is all just speculation.

    Basically, I think that if white people weren’t as economically successful as they are, and some other race had the top spot, I think that race would be evolution’s current “guinea pigs”. But again, nature isn’t so much experimenting as just doing anything that having lesser restrictions (i.e. selection pressure) allows.

    I also think Obama being president (highest status in the land) might be a factor in women’s attraction to blacks. Women are a bit silly like that.

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  22. on March 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm Jason

    Ten years ago, I remember reading a New Yorker article claiming that Africans could claim more physical diversity than any other race. Apparently the fatties are fatter, the skinnies skinnier, the fasties faster, the uglies uglier, the hotties hotter.

    But you claim that it’s actually white Europeans with this greater standard deviation.

    Not sure who to believe. Common sense tells me it’s the Africans, if only because European whites selected for a more evenly distributed layer of fat (thanks, cold weather) that precludes more extreme body types.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 3:27 pm ar10308

      Diversity how?
      You by having blue/green/brown/hazel/grey eyes? Or by having hair in varieties of black/brown/red/blond and naturally curly vs straight? Or skin tones from albino to olive?

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:10 pm Stuki

      It depends on whether you are talking about Africans as a whole, or the rather narrow subset that is African Americans.

      In Africa, flagpole Masai live next to Pygmies. Nowhere else are there a greater variation. In North America, almost all blacks are from a very, very select group of original Africans. And, whatever differences do exist, are hidden under layers of blubber 🙂

      In my estimation, there are more freakishly stunning, almost improbable women (as well as men) from Africa than anywhere else. You see it amongst girls modelling. Even the tallest/skinniest/curviest white girls, would probably break in half if they were as extremely proportioned as some East Africans. Some of them almost look like they have inherited their bone structure from birds. They also carry themselves, even coming straight out of some slum, in a way that even a professional Ballerina in the West would be envious of. And then there are the t-and-a wonders from further West, that also have proportions that are present on white women only in cartoons. Whether that kind of exaggeration is boner inducing, is still up to questioning, but it does catch the eye in competition with more normally proportioned women in magazine pages.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:24 am Jason

        Nice response, Stuki. As I recall, the article was talking about Africans, so yeah, we’re in agreement.

        I once attended a small private party featuring the Senegalese national women’s dance team. All I can say is whoa. The only dudes there were me and a black American guy. He and I bonded. We could not believe our luck. Neither could we believe the waist-hip ratios on those women. Seriously, the highest was like .5. There’s nobody in America who looks like that, not even Coco.

        Their asses moved in thirty directions at once. I almost passed out during the chair dance.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 11:10 am josh

        Jason you’re such a pathetic nigga-luvva!

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  23. on March 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm Sid

    I wonder about Asian women being rated as more attractive than white women. Theoretically, Asian women should be more attractive, but in practice white women are usually preferred, especially by high status males.

    Look at the most successful guys in the manosphere: they tend to lust for white women and use their tricks most feverishly on them. The men who have a clear preference for Asian women are often nerds who aren’t successful at dating.

    To be fair, Japanese women are much more beautiful than Chinese women, and Chinese make the bulk. Imagine if there were ten British girls for every Russian woman, and you have an understanding of how that should affect mean attractiveness among Asian women.

    (The first girl I went ballsdeep in was Korean, one immensely beautiful, so I harbor little dislike for Asians, but again, high status and successful white men seem to prefer white women, while nerdy, socially awkward white men seem to prefer Asians.)

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:16 pm josh

      Watch that stupid video by PSY;the K girls–well,some of ’em– are painfully sexy.I all in all prefer white because thats what I have known me whole life.But..them Korean bitchezz…

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  24. on March 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm Anonymous

    Hah! This is excellent for my ego as an Asian man being hit on and complimented by white women. It seems my Asian brothers are not as handsome as I. One boldly commented

    “you are actually handsome for an Asian guy”

    I didn’t know what to say then, I still don’t know what to say now lmao man if only I am not a beta…

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 4:35 pm AnonH

      As another asian male, all it really takes is to hit the gym hard.

      An athletic, muscular asian is such a novelty that women will naturally do a double take.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm Robert

        Plus you have the Bruce Lee / Jackie Chan / Tony Jaa “Good Things in Small Packages” attraction – you don’t need to be physically large to indicate your usefulness.

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  25. on March 6, 2013 at 2:43 pm q

    ‘To this end, he asked male and female volunteers to rate the attractiveness of human faces that differed by ethnicity and gender. Of the male raters, 15 were White, 2 were Black, and 3 were Asian. Of the female raters, 14 were White, 3 were Black, and 3 were Asian.
    Female raters gave the highest ratings to Black men, followed by White men and East Asian men. Male raters gave the highest ratings to East Asian women, followed by White women and Black women.’

    Um, he asked 20 people only? And maybe he had photographs with handsome Black men and ugly Asians and pretty Asian girls and ugly Black girls?

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:25 am Creo

      True, not enuf raters and possible sample pics. Plus, i think he got the women from a bar across the street called Mudsharks.

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  26. on March 6, 2013 at 2:44 pm retrophoebia

    I won’t blow my own horn here… oh heck yes I will.

    Satoshi was being unnecessarily lax in the way he presented his methodology and his conclusions. Not that scientific rigor has ever gotten truth past the cogniscentsia, but it probably would have spared him his job so that he could publish other inflammatory stuff too.

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  27. on March 6, 2013 at 2:51 pm Anonymous

    The nonwhite women typically considered attractive are the ones with white features like large eyes and high foreheads.

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    • on March 8, 2013 at 11:23 am Nicole

      These aren’t “White” features though. They’re found in all attractive women. Across the board, certain features are more attractive, and the women considered attractive in just about all societies will have them. The few exceptions are regional survival or usually religion related cultural quirks.

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  28. on March 6, 2013 at 3:01 pm Sidewinder

    This is one area that I actually do believe is entirely a social construction. It really doesn’t make any evolutionary sense for a white man to prefer an asian woman, or a white woman to prefer a black man. Black women as a population may not be attractive for a variety of reasons (obesity, lack of femininity), but I strongly suspect that a black man still prefers the ideal black female archetype to a white or asian female ideal. It would be contrary to every other study I’ve ever seen about ingroup preferences to suggest that people prefer interracial mates. Like is attracted to like, and the characteristics of females that have evolved in a certain environment have evolved based on sexual selection amongst their male brethren. For someone to prefer a mate of a different race smells to me of social conditioning.

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  29. on March 6, 2013 at 3:13 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    An impressive erudite post. However, I think the photographing argument could be valid. I think very black bodybuilders are too black for the best visual effect, as are pale whites. Shine and shadow are both free to express themselves on middle-of-the-road darkness, which the color of tanned skin is. Also, in Satoshi Kanazawa’s article, blacks rated their own looks higher than others, but they were also accurate. It was not humility, but neither was it hubris, objectively speaking. It sucks that intellectually honest research is not funded and is summarily punished, which is why a post like this is so valuable. Moral of the story: Play along in real life until you don’t have to.

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  30. on March 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm bluegrass

    This almost makes me wish my race had uglier women. Is would make less of an incentive to get invaded by barbarians…*cough*, ahem…..undocumented workers. For one our women would learn that they won’t get their hamster-vagina-tingle-fix as the newcomers duke it out with the male kinsman via sexual competition. The invaders would just say “gross” and leave, or work their butts off to bring their own women.

    Second, having uglier women would increase the sexual-conquest drive of our men. In the past that would mean grabbing a couple of ponies and a composite bow, or maybe a longship and start some booty raiding. However, these days that sexual frustration could be redirected into having the men go 100% into interstellar space travel or something. (searching for hot aliens, no doubt.)

    I mean, yea, it would suck to have uglier women, but this whole steady paced downfall into a Mad-Max world full of mestizos, muslims, and quadroons fighting it out for the last remaining hot redhead chick doesn’t sound particularly appetizing either.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:13 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      @bluegrass, we have the best of both worlds then. Our native American women are the ugliest in the world in person. And who in the world does not know that? and who would not treat a physically beautiful and typically bitchy American woman (rare with all the fatties) as the object just as photography does? We have every reason to expand southward based on your reasoning, but nearly all American men think like uncivilized, uncivilizing pussies. lmfao We would conquer Hispanic honeys to get screwed by marriage 2.0 laws? We’ve adapted to the ugliness the best we can for now: ONS and travel ONS. lulzlululz…

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:43 am corvinus

      Second, having uglier women would increase the sexual-conquest drive of our men. In the past that would mean grabbing a couple of ponies and a composite bow, or maybe a longship and start some booty raiding. However, these days that sexual frustration could be redirected into having the men go 100% into interstellar space travel or something. (searching for hot aliens, no doubt.)

      There’s a reason the British Empire became the biggest in all of human history.

      OTOH, if your homeland has ugly bitches, you and your countrymen might have far less of a problem with immigration than if your homeland’s women were sweet-natured smokers. Again, look how Britain opened its doors wide to invasion while Japan continues to keep them slammed shut.

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  31. on March 6, 2013 at 3:29 pm Ronin

    Actually the 50%-2/3 skin tone photographs the best. Think: Middle-Eastern, Inuit, or light-skinned East-Indian.

    Extremes like Northern-Ireland-Shut-in and Native Congolese Sunbather tend to get washed-out in contrast-ratio unless the skin is shiny esp. in the second.

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  32. on March 6, 2013 at 3:34 pm Anon

    More filthy gay propaganda by CH’ best friend:

    http://jezebel.com/5987888/if-you-want-a-more-thoughtful-boyfriend-try-pegging-him?tag=genderal-interest

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:11 pm gunslingergregi

      well i guess if you want to make money degenerate ho’s will pay to fuck you in the ass and beat the shit out of you take pictures and laugh about it
      so yea ya can bring some joy to the world i suppose

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:52 pm gunslingergregi

        the pegging shit is so off the charts this ho was calling me to come watch the show it was so fucked up even to them
        came back tried to show me pics
        saw one pic dude had slut whore written on his chest and another sucking on a dildo
        i declined to see any further pics he he he
        but yea this chick like i llke you your not judgemental
        lol right she also said i want to be your girlfriend
        me
        i’m normally sexually attracted to my girlfriends lol
        i don’t know her and friend did clean my house take out my trash and shit so eh they usefull i suppose
        concerned about me being alone by myself
        trying to tell me the truth about woman
        its cute in its way

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 4:55 pm gunslingergregi

        truth about woman we had a snowball fight they started and i didn’t get hit once i was about 90 percent on hits he he he

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:21 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      Wow, @Anon. I now know beyond a shadow of a doubt the manly animus toward Hugo Schweyzer, and it is justified. Remember men, sex is a political statement.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 6:01 pm AlephMale

      Pegging is overrated. It’s best to work prostrate stimulation into your normal sex routine, EG wearing a buttplug while taking your girlfriend from behind. Once you’ve tried it you’ll never go back.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm gunslingergregi

        this blogs inception was story of o
        not take it in the ass
        allthough i guess someone who thought the Marquis de Sade was cool might enjoy some diferent things
        not my thing to do everything for the sake of dong just the stuff i want to do

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 8:11 am Test E. Cool

        AlephMale, you’re a fucking faggot.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm AlephMale

        I’m openly bi. So yeah…

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 7:08 pm Rick Derris

      Holy cow … Hugo truly needs a punch in the face. He’d probably beg for another and then ask to smell the leather glove.

      >>>”men who get into anal penetration are among the most secure in their masculinity: because they’ve examined themselves, faced their fears.”

      OMG the male author is such a fucking froot loop. I think getting shot at by the Germans, Japanese, Viet Cong and Iraqi insurgents is something that makes a guy face his fears – not letting some freak whore ram him up the butt.

      Our country is so screwed for even allowing something like this to exist. I’m sure buggery by a Lexington Steele sized dildo is exactly what the founders meant by “life liberty & the pursuit of happiness.”

      Hey whorefinder – I bet Hugo is fantasizing about PRISON RAPE

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 9:56 pm chris

        Delighting in sexual submission is the antithesis of manly.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:47 pm Canadian Friend

        A stand up comic who’s name escapes me now once said; ” Should lesbians be allowed to use dildos?…they made their choice.”

        his point being that a dildo is a penis substitute.
        and he is right; it is a penis substitute.

        which brings me to this,

        how can a man let his woman penetrate him with her small finger or a butt plug – and not see this as a penis substitute?

        I don’t dream of having a penis in me, so I don’t want anything in there no matter how small even if it is done by a super hot woman because to me it is a penis substitute.

        In this day and age I may be the weird one, but I don’t feel weird, I feel like a man.

        I do the penetrating and in females only.

        no one puts anything in me.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 6:01 am hd

        Well, I think getting screwed by the economy is even more dreadful. Hell I’ve seen war veterans shaken in fear of bankruptcy.

        Just ask yourself, would you rather get sniped by taliban insurgents, or have your entire family thrown to the street?

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:36 pm Antifeminist One

      Despite the title of the book, the authors make the case that the payoff for prostate play — specifically by a woman using a dildo or other toy — isn’t just pleasure. It’s liberation from the masculine straitjacket, with happy consequences that extend well outside the bedroom.

      In other words, mentally geld a man by having a woman sodomise him with a prosthetic dick.

      Isn’t that something similar to how alpha negroes were gelded by white slavemasters? Humiliate them in front of their women?

      Bonus points for using the term ‘straitjacket’, as if to infer even straightness is a restrictive construct of the patriarchy.

      Just when I think I might be a bitter cynic, I read shit like this and it surprises even me.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 3:11 am hd

      Well duh, men are more anatomically designed to enjoy anal sex than women are. However, there’s nothing more humiliating to a male than having an involuntary, relatively easy orgasm from being pegged. Male rapists should take note.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 8:27 am Test E. Cool

        Gay. Fucking gay.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 7:47 pm hd

        It can’t be any gayer than touching your own penis.

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  33. on March 6, 2013 at 3:39 pm darkforest

    Black men rated the highest in facial attractiveness? I find it difficult to believe that this is an objective judgment, and not ideologically motivated. They should repeat the study with women from South America, or Europe, or Asia. 14 white PC women from the USA is not a good sample size.

    I mean can anyone here seriously believe this judgment with a straight face? The subsaharan type face has to be among the ugliest between any races. This is also pretty much reflected in the sexual marketplace worldwide.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:01 pm Sidewinder

      I am also highly skeptical of those findings. I want to see what models were used as samples for the various races. While I think there are universal tendencies regarding shoulder/waist and hip/waist ratios, the only conclusion that makes any evolutionary sense would be that races are most attracted to those ideal types of their same race. Any other finding would strongly suggest to me a great degree of social conditioning, such as PC white women as you mention.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 4:05 pm WhoCares

      Exactly I thought the same too, either the researcher is bullshitting or they were all extremely PC cause even 99% of all research in the LAMESTREAM Media full of manginas/cuckolds and bet-males has time and again proven that white men are #1 preferred type of mate. When even the lying, man bobbed, snarky vagina-ed withes and their pimps cannot manipulate data to fit in, then this is complete Bat Shit Delusion/PC correctness.

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  34. on March 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm The Specimen

    Don’t really care about the findings, petiole like what they like, and you got to get what you can the best you’re able, but low statistical power much? The cohort was very small with an uneven proportion of races. I think anyone familiar with the dating game will acknowledge that on average people have a slight but significant preference for people from their own group. Also, the nationality and cultural background of the cohort is going to have a big effect as well. Just saying that this type of study is why social psych is generally looked down upon by the other sciences.

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  35. on March 6, 2013 at 4:03 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    Quoted from Frost:

    “In some populations, men competed against each other for access to women. This was especially so in tropical ‘horticulturalist’ societies where year-round farming enabled women to provide for themselves and their children with little male assistance. For men, the cost of taking a second wife was close to zero and may even have been negative. Such societies thus had a high polygyny rate and correspondingly intense male-male rivalry for mates. The pressure of sexual selection was therefore on men.

    “In other populations, women competed against each other for access to men. This was especially so in continental Arctic societies where men provided almost all the food and where long-distance hunting caused more deaths among young men than among young women. Such societies thus had a low polygyny rate and a surplus of women on the mate market. The pressure of sexual selection was therefore on women (Frost, 1994a, 2006, 2008).”

    I give Frost credit for laying out his logic for all to see and for it being worth the look. It gives me the opportunity to learn and perhaps teach, which is an important synergy of peer review as a part of science.

    I think if men are fighting more over women, they are fighting more and are naturally selected on aggression and athleticism. If men are fighting less over women, they are still intensely competing. We all want to bang the 10s! In the case of less primitive fighting, there was natural selection for more sophisticated development that was no doubt leveraged for political power and pussy, and the value of men was less likely to be thrown away. The net result of the group was greater for it, with diversity among white men as part of an evolutionary experiment for society progress perhaps. The article by Satoshi Kanazawa says:

    “… Africans have more mutations in their genomes than other races. And the mutation loads significantly decrease physical attractiveness (because physical attractiveness is a measure of genetic and developmental health). But since both black women and black men have higher mutations loads, it cannot explain why black women are less physically attractive, while black men are, if anything, more attractive.

    “The only think I can think of that might potentially explain the lower average level of physical attractiveness among black women is testosterone. Africans on average have higher levels of testosterone than other races…”

    I always thought blacks could put on muscle more easily on the anecdotal evidence. I remember from reading The Essential Difference by Simon Baron-Cohen that after a certain point, higher testosterone impairs (some?) intellect and not conflictingly heightens autism. Note the inverse-U plot of empirical IQ in all men:

    “In the total sample (S + NS men), the correlation between T to IQ was best described by a polynomial regression (3rd order), exhibiting an inverse U-shaped regression.” Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11913330

    So in summary, I think Frost was definitely hitting on something profound with comparative male and female reproduction competition, something I think is very worthy of group discussion. I don’t concur that competition in a society was necessarily conserved (an either-or proposition) between men and women (life is a race condition, now to the bottom), or that the intensity of competition was necessarily different between the same sex groups of different societies. I think the quality of competition was different for men of different societies more than the quantity was. King Solomon and Ghengis Khan were both very successful at spreading their seed, and they did it with political power that wielded thousands upon thousands of warrior hands that wielded non-abstract physical weapons. The primitive method is where the rubber meets the road, but it is not much of an engine. Builders of civilization knew what the fuck they were doing when they killed someone, or did not. That is the hallmark of civility, an art somewhat known to the masses of Western men since the Renaissance and lost gradually over the 19th and early 20th centuries. Fiat Credit -> Feminism -> Civilization’s Death

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  36. on March 6, 2013 at 4:03 pm Black Poison Soul

    Fascinating study. It is long past time that such things were divorced from the manipulations of the hamster-brain and put out there unbiased for men to learn from. I’m pleased to see it coming out in this website, make them howl with indignation – it’s good for the soul.

    “Life is too short to tolerate obtuseness and trollery.” — correct! We don’t have time for that crap.

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  37. on March 6, 2013 at 4:14 pm Who Me?

    A lot of times I can get more positive attention from black women by just showing up than I can from white women. Being that I’m an all-American white guy I chalk it up to being more at ease with black women due to not sensing the multi-layered judgement that I would from white women. Because the cultures are different, the markings of status may be more difficult to realize and the attraction may be more based on looks alone.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      @Who Me?, I have noticed the same thing. I don’t know how old you are but I am forty something. I think cultures that have been poor have produced women who see sex as basic entertainment, are fully masters of their individual sexualities, are more comfortable in qualifying foreplay, and are more open to using their youthful sexuality to catch a provider, and have less restriction on the man’s age (and maybe ethnicity or race too). Succinctly speaking, young black women can flirt and decide what they want without emotional trauma while young white women are more likely to fear for their lives from a mere look from an undesireable. I think Game development will reduce the difference and your just showing up will level female bias by race.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:04 am Jason

        Disagreed.

        Black women often have huge hangups about dating outside the race, more than any other demographic. They are verrrry protective of their in-group.

        It’s been fascinating to watch and hear many of them try to come to terms with the fact that, given the many black males who are in prison/drug addicts/unmarriageable, they may in fact have to marry outside the race to avoid spinsterhood.

        White women, by contrast, are much more open to mixing.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 9:29 am stevie tellatruth

        Jason,
        Black women are coming to terms with marrying outside the race, at least around where I’m from. I’ve noticed an upswing in sistahs dating white dudes publicly for each of the last 3 summers. I expect to see more this summer as well.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:18 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        I’m a white guy, so if you are right, black women have reason to avoid my whiteness but so do white women. Then it would depend which group is more averse. And I’ve given up on dating so my involvement is not paraded around the group. And I don’t go for can’t-talk-English black chics. They got to have some culture whiteness for my taste. They usually have some genetic white here in the USA, which can only enhance the potential. Maybe you just need to stop cockblocking with the group open? Black chics are by far the most available for grinding on the dance floor and I’ve never seen bias for that, with everyone watching. I don’t doubt your responses are different from mine and that there is a reality basis for it, and it could be the women you are talking to where you are, but Game theory tells us women are very much all the same in sexual relations and attraction. Watch how the guys who get through the shield behave. I wonder if you could just copy that and succeed? I get more alienation from the Hispanic chics. Seems like the guys they are around are shady in their lifestyles. A criminal or street element would tend to reject those who are not.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm Jason

        First, I’m happily married, so my sarging days are behind me.

        But yeah, the younger black girls seem to be more open to mixing than the older black women, which is par for the course, generationally speaking. When I was single, I had no problem approaching black girls (middle-class ones, not ghetto); I still do it today, just to chat, stay loose, meet people.

        Black women are really the friendliest demographic, with Puerto Ricans being a close second. Thin-lipped, religious, white Protestant women with stringy musculature are always the hardest to approach.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm Lara

        “Thin-lipped, religious, white Protestant women with stringy musculature are always the hardest to approach.”

        Where are these women?

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:42 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        @Lara Look in the mirror. Are you looking at the Queen of de Nile? Jason nailed it. On the other hand, such women have the lowest notch counts, but as religious zealots they are good company only for religious zealots. I met one the other day at the book store. Too thin but otherwise beautiful, inflexible in her intellectual ‘love for Christ’, a bit mannish. Moses was real to her based on objective authentication of ancient texts and any storied similarities with ancient mythologies of the Babylonians or Sumerians was them copying the correct Jews. If you thought Big Secular Government was alpha, try Big Supernatural Government. Churchianity might as well be feminism, which it is as a staged antithesis per the Hegelian dialectic. Those women don’t really take to husbandry from the husband or therefore to free civilization or civilized culture. The preachers have primary rights on the believing hamsters, my child, and preachers never ever preach against the banksters.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 8:14 pm Canadian Friend

        In my experience women who are easy to approach are the ones who are easy to get into your bed

        Those are no good for long term relationships as they are usually less faithful

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 9:13 am Who Me?

        I’m 32 and I’ve noticed it since my early 20s from black women across the spectrum, including attractive doctors’ daughters with good educations and jobs to ghetto princesses on RTA trains. And I’m the kind of white guy you’d mistake for a cop or a Marine or some random jock.

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  38. on March 6, 2013 at 4:14 pm casaanova

    “Of the male raters, 15 were White, 2 were Black, and 3 were Asian. Of the female raters, 14 were White, 3 were Black, and 3 were Asian.”

    That’s a control group for your ass

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 6:18 pm retrophoebia

      Sure, but 2/20 black is 10%, which is roughly representative (-4%) of the US pop. Of the females, 3/20 is 15%, which is roughly representative.

      What are you looking for, 50/50?

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  39. on March 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm Anonymous

    According to the study by Lewis men preferred East Asian women, which, to me, is obviously false, How many of the guys you know actually prefer Asian women? What kind of women are marketed towards men in magazines?

    I also looked at the method and it says that the participants did the study for either class credit or a small sum of money. This could lead to haphazard judging, biased judging or to a situation where the participants only want to get it done as fast as possible(especially the ones that got paid).

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  40. on March 6, 2013 at 4:58 pm Opus

    As a white male, and after much puzzling, I must say I do not find Asian women attractive – they all look exactly the same to me. Naturally I prefer white women – not all white women of course, but on a good day white women. Once got chased all over Helvelyn by a Chinese bird, and could not get away fast enough, and god knows I have tried with black women, but ultimately also run away. Other races should therefore keep off white women, and stick to their own. Time to recriminalise Miscegnation.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm josh

      Seeing the sample size I completely reject this nonsense. These stupid white women giving the nod to the negro sure sounds like PC to me,and whitey oreferring Asians,dont buy it. He shouldve just cut to the chase.Black women are the least attractive–albeit with many exceptions. (Krauser said he fucked some married negress in Brazil–prob looked like Aunt JemiMA. but it seems black girls like white men much more in other countries;here in the USA blacks loathe us and they are ass-kissed and glorified.) Like,would you guys fuck Rihanna? I askd this on Stormfront the other day. Now alll my posts on SF are moderated and usually rejected,lol.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 5:40 pm Nyk

      Why not bring back slavery, allowing White men to miscegenate freely with their slave girls (Black and hopefully also Asian next time around), while forbidding the Blacks from taking our own women (we needn’t mind the Asian men except if they look anything like Bruce Lee).

      The Rihannas of this world would certainly not feel much difference in submitting to a heavy-handed White slaveowner instead of a gangsta’. If anything, the tingles would be stronger as she would be unable to run away and escape her bondage without society stopping her.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 10:41 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        @Nyk It’s stupid shit like what you wrote that makes blacks hypersensitive and then solicit me with their ‘reasonable analyses’ on how HBD is wrong and then to be informed and as part of my intellectual curiosity I politely read some other shit that is logical on the surface but stupid for its needy, long-winded rationalization. Not everyone is going to read what you wrote above as an intelligent reduction to absurdity to support criminalization of miscegnation, because it’s stupid. Freedom is the answer; it weeds out stupid people immediately, and nature is the only decent judge of value in the long run. So you are wrong on the first paragraph.

        And not every black chic is a rihanna and not every white chick in not. I recall discussion of how a young Malcom X slapped around a young married white chick Bea Caragulian ‘Sophia’ for sex and money. So you are wrong again. And ‘our women’ sounds like collectivism to me. You can’t draw a sharp line between blacks and white because there are shades of grey. Can I trust you as the ethnicity police? For all we know, you could have a black ancestor somewhere in your family tree.

        http://dicipres.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/the-game-of-malcolm-x/
        http://www.poundmag.com/blogs/a-life-of-reinvention-7-06/

        Malcolm X got screwed by white people and was then happy to abuse white people. A stupid cycle. Being civilized means using your strength constructively. This comment is an example of constructive criticism. I resent that the lack of individual accountability means you can fan the flames and burn me. I believe in the Manosphere in part because it empowers accountability on the individual level. I value the free discussion, but standards don’t happen by acceptance of shit. You are not a great thinker or writer because Socrates and Einstein were white too. Malcolm X spoke way better than what you just wrote, and too many dumbshit white people still make too much of what he said true enough.

        For the inclined, here is a Malcolm X documentary I just found but did not watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4Kex-uHWM

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:06 am Jason

        Genius. (eye roll)

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 11:23 am JayMan

      Oh?

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  41. on March 6, 2013 at 5:38 pm whiskeysplace

    No Hispanics? Be interesting to see where they fit in.

    As far as female/male competition, it was not just in the Neolithic that White women had to compete for men and required their support. Until modern times, male death rates were high, and widows had little support, if they were married to some bad boy; far better to be married to a man with family willing to support his heirs. High amounts of death in warfare, in fishing, even heavy agricultural work, meant the marriage choice was critical hence pressure for beauty.

    As far as White women’s preference for Black guys, I don’t think its PC. Personally, I’ve seen this (but almost universally for short-term sex not long term relationships/marriages). That Irish exchange student in Tokyo murdered and raped by some Black rapper (her friend merely raped) comes to mind. They met them in a club and went back to the hotel with them. Absent the men being Black, perceived at least to be dominant, aggressive, etc. that’s not going to happen. The women didn’t deserve it obviously, but their desire got the better of their sense. None of the bad things happen without the female desire for pure physical dominance which is the sweet spot for Black guys (their weakness being forethought and intellect and dutifulness). Of course if you think the world is safe and utopian save for icky White beta males …

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 5:59 pm itsme

      hispanics aren’t a race. there are white and black hispanics.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm darkforest

        Somewhat overstated. There is definitely a “hispanic” look, in which south European, indio, and black are mixed. In Mexico it leans in toward a white-indio mix. In Brazil you see people with entirely Spanish or Italian faces but very dark skin, and other combinations.

        Judging by the rates of interracial births to white women, they prefer hispanic men to father their children twice as often as they prefer black men (about 5-6% of births to white mothers have hispanic fathers vs. less than 3% have black fathers). I mention this statistic because it more likely reflects choices for sex than just for LTR or marriage.

        I think the phenomenon of the “Latin lover” should be more researched in these areas, because it is such a universal and old stereotype.

        Until there is a study with a bigger sample size, we’d have to go by what we observe historically and what we perceive to be attractive. If a study came out that 14 guys thought fat girls were attractive, would you believe it? The idea that the black face is attractive is equally absurd on its face.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm itsme

        a little while back i was chatting up a group of young hotties. not a single one of them was less than an 8.5, and all of them dressed to the nines (and this was during the day). for sure i thought they were eastern european.

        ummm no, they turned out to be mexican.

        open borders would be acceptable in this case.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 6:45 pm FredMertz

        If by “borders” you mean thighs

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:50 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        I consider American Hispanics (of the Americas) to be a hybrid race (Iberian white + red + black). Mexicans basically have no black, never had black slaves. South of the Rio Grande, Hispanics are evolving separately. It has been 400 years or so. Only to establish gene evolution speed, if dog breeds can be established in a hundred years, why can’t a distinct race (bigger than an ethnicity) be established since 1492?

        “The American Cocker Spaniel is a breed of sporting dog. It is a spaniel type dog that is closely related to the English Cocker Spaniel; the two breeds diverged during the 20th century due to differing breed standards in America and the UK….The first spaniel in America came across with the Mayflower in 1620, but it was not until 1878 that the first Cocker Spaniel was registered with the American Kennel Club (AKC). A national breed club was set up three years later and the dog considered to be the father of the modern breed, Ch. Obo II, was born around this time. By the 1920s the English and American varieties of Cocker had become noticeably different and in 1946 the AKC recognised the English type as a separate breed. It was not until 1970 that The Kennel Club in the UK recognised the American Cocker Spaniel as being separate from the English type.”

        Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cocker_Spaniel

        We see how Americans today are way different than 100 years ago. I assert Western human genetics have been selected for conquerable ineptitude by single mom welfare success funded from taxpayers generally and from individual alimony sweepstakes betas, thus crowding out more civilized men who value political and economic control as privilege prerequisite to accepting the responsibility of family, IN GENERAL.

        Black, whites, and yellows developed in large but separate geographic areas. In the last 400 years, so have American Hispanics. I consider reds to be a race as well, certainly more so than Hispanics, though reds were lumped in with yellows. Silly, even if the land bridge theory is the whole story and reds are fully branched from yellows.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 6:11 pm darkforest

      “Absent the men being black,” meaning only black guys take home girls from clubs? Are you serious? And are you using one example to support your case? What you say you’ve seen, which probably includes your preferred category of porn, isn’t what is reflected worldwide in the sexual marketplace. Black guys are at a premium in US media for sure, which is for political reasons. They’re not seen as sexy or attractive in South America, Asia, or Europe. In most parts of South America the notion would be seen as bizarre, about as strange as putting Asian guys at #1 for sexiness. I doubt the extent to which they’re actually seen as attractive among American white women either. Anyway the point is that 15 PC white women is not a reliable sample for such a study. Show me one with 1500 women from different countries and social classes and I’ll believe it.

      Men and women can perceive beauty among either sex, and my eyes don’t lie. The nose alone on the subsaharan face makes it incredibly ugly. Even allowing for the idea that women aren’t attracted to aesthetic faces but are attracted more to “rough-looking” faces, there’s a limit to this.

      The idea that Asian faces are number one for women is also not believable.

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 6:43 pm FredMertz

      Well whiskey,the news accounts say the Irish girl,Nocola Furlong,attended a concert w/another girl and wound up extremely drunk. Witnessess reported seeing the two niggers pushing the girls into a cab. They were raped. Now,that doesnt exactly sound like the girls were all that willing;and app. the sex had to be forced.

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  42. on March 6, 2013 at 6:18 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Who cares what some study says? The market determines who is attractive and who isn’t.

    Go to any prostitution Web site like Backpages.com. What you find is white women go for the most amount of money, Asian women for the next amount, and black women for the lowest.

    End of story.

    [CH: I’m with you on this. Revealed preferences… can’t beat ’em for figuring out how the world works.]

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:39 pm Antifeminist One

      What you find is pictures of white women…

      The photography theory, imo, is bunk.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 9:35 am Anonymous

        SUPPLY AND DEMAND
        The price of whores will tell you more about which race is the most attractive, not scientific STUDIES.
        Look at the high end escorts at all of these places that charge a couple thousand a night – they are 99% white.
        Look in the escort pages at the back of your local newspaper – asian whores are charging $20 for a blowjob and $60 for ‘full service.’

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:48 pm Anonymous

      In the escort pages of the newspapers here, asian whores are offering ‘full service’ for $60

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 9:52 am feministx

      Yeah, but attractiveness is a combination of face, body and hair. This study is only looking at facial prettiness. Though I never noticed it myself, asian women might have prettier faces on average. However, there is no question that a white woman who works on her body will have a body that an Asian chick can’t stand a chance against. Especially if it’s a southern European woman. Raquel Welsh vs. what Asian the billion of that race has produced? No one is even close. And white women have sexier hair because it has some bounce and curl to it. All in all, the top tier of white women could be better looking than asians even if they might technically have less pretty faces on average.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 10:53 am Anonymous

        ‘prettier face’ = two pounds of skillfully applied makeup to try to look as white as possible

        would not want to wake up to one of those the next morning

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 6:39 pm Anon

        Asian use eyelid crease devices, circle contacts, and false lashes is epidemic. Virtually every Asian chick you see in a club is wearing a combination of all three. The pictures I’ve seen people post here to demonstrate Asian beauty are perfect examples of this. It’s not like putting on eye makeup. What they do to there eyes is completely transformative. Asian girls usually look like a completely different person without the eye enhancements.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 12:22 pm What

        sammich.

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  43. on March 6, 2013 at 6:23 pm realmatt

    Why wouldn’t he use the same number of people from each race?

    Fucking retarded. I hate when idiots conducting studies do dumb shit that could, in the minds of the readers, skew the results.

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  44. on March 6, 2013 at 6:25 pm PRX

    black men are so attractive that people go out of their way to distance themselves from them.

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  45. on March 6, 2013 at 6:27 pm league of bald headed men

    I go by the body, not the face. What I want is thick, proportionate, athletic, womanly shapeliness with a high, bubble ass. This puts black girls at a premium, white girls meh, and forget asians entirely.

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  46. on March 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm Johnycomelately

    Check out haplogroup studies and you might be very very surprised.

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

    Whites aren’t an evo experment, they just intermingled with other tribes more than any other group, environmental factors forced them to migrate south and west.

    Oh yeh, and Northern Indians have just about the highest white R1a of any group on the planet.

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  47. on March 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm Anonymous

    If that really is a picture of Beyonce, she is taking roids. No other way does your physique change that much in a few years. Is that really her?

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  48. on March 6, 2013 at 6:44 pm Adam

    I had a good laugh at this ill-informed hamster.

    http://www.balancingjane.com/2013/02/about-those-ugly-beyonce-super-bowl.html

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  49. on March 6, 2013 at 6:53 pm senseiern

    It may have already been said, but I suspect the reason for the inversion is because each race has masculine/feminine traitstrength…that is, the black race is more masculine. There are many black women whom I would put up against the average white guy in a testosterone contest.

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  50. on March 6, 2013 at 7:12 pm Roddy

    Interesting survey, and probably lines up with my anecdotal experience.

    If I was going to gripe, I’d say the sample size of the Lewis study was a bit small (only 20 “raters” seems a bit small, and 15 of them were white. So really the results only tell us what white people find attractive. It would be much better if the 100 faces could be rated by 20 whites, 20 blacks, and 20 asians).

    And as someone suggested, I think photos can sometimes capture a misleading likeness. For example, I know an asian girl who looks plain in person (bordering flat-out ugly), yet she “photographs” very well. Hard to believe they’re even the same person. Not sure if this would have a disparate impact on any particular race though.

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  51. on March 6, 2013 at 7:20 pm Roddy

    Something else to think about:

    Do you think the rater’s internal dialogue (effected by cultural pressures such as the urge not to do anything that could be perceived as “”racist””) could sway these results?

    e.g. I’m imagining that women rating men might be tempted to rate black men more generously than they rate whites, lest anyone else (or even their own internal voice) might judge them as “”racist”” against blacks. However, I don’t think there’s the same pressure to rate Asian men so generously, since there isn’t the same cultural hoo-ha about anti-Asian discrimination.

    Likewise, I wonder if white men downgrade their ratings of white women slightly (so as not to appear “”biased”” towards whites), but can’t quite bring themselves to give bonus points to the blacks…thus the outcome is that Asians score disproportionately high compared to white women (who are judged more harshly).

    Thus, I think while the “objective” truth might be that men can be ranked in avg attractiveness as black-white-asian (and converse for women), the extent of the discrepancy in the attractiveness of black vs white men (or Asian vs white women) might be exaggerated due to this internal worry about self-perception.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 3:01 pm Big Game Hunter

      I was going to say exactly that. Probably there are some bonus points awarded for anti-racissss reasons, just as you posit.

      Personally, and the vast majority of men I’ve talked with about this share the opinion, I find Asian women to be vastly overrated, in the looks department in particular. They in general have no feminine shape to them. Call me traditional, but I like my women to have tits and ass, at least a little more than the average high school boy has, pretty please. And about 99,99 % of Asian women seem to fail even this minimal standard, no matter how nice their other features might or might not be. Oh sure, there’s exceptions, but isn’t that the case with everything. I’m sure there are some men that could pass for female 7- or 6,5s in the right ambient lighting conditions, but I wouldn’t want to make many generalizations about that, either.

      As for black women… Completely unattracted. To the point that if you happen to see one in some porn or -ish scene, that actually ruins the whole thing, for the moment. Again, men I’ve talked with about said subject mostly agree. I’m thinking I have never seen a black woman I’d seriously consider having sex with. Not even in a movie. Perhaps that’s my built-in automatic racist speaking, but that’s how it is.

      Since unfortunately the whole Let’s Make All White Countries Multicultural project is advancing with alarming speed even here in the snowy north, there’s more and more black females around in the night life (and of course, much more black males than females). What I notice is that they’re a hell of a lot more aggressive than other groups, as if they knew that they’re unlikely to be chased like some others. Just yesterday I had a 19-20 something black girl (half-Kenyan) quite throw herself at me, despite having three friends along (all whites of similar age, so probably from the same school). Since I’m not exactly Captain Alpha, in spite of having learned a lot from this source and others, having women approach is always nice, but this time it was actually annoying. Because there wasn’t really anything wrong with her, except for her being black. Body shape was at least a solid 8, but if you have even just some genetic luck and haven’t fattened up, in her age, why shouldn’t it be. Facial features are more rarely right, but hers were. And what annoyed me is that if she had not been black, I would’ve jumped aboard without much consideration. The worst of it was that she struck me as genuinely intelligent, as compared to women in general and especially women of her age. Not bad at all, and then I can’t get in the mood because of chromatics. In my defense, I was entirely polite about the whole thing, and she took it seemingly well, better than her friends who gave me the evil eye for the rest of the evening. I was expecting one or two of them to come over and ask if I’m gay or something since I turned down their friend, but at least they didn’t do that, although at one point it seemed likely to happen, but my guess is they chickened out at the last moment.

      So yeah. Lots of words, but my point really is that I’d, and a lot of others, rate women in a different order, one of white – – – asian – – – – – – – black. Asians are not so hot as they’re claimed to be. And yes, I’ve actually visited a few of those countries, so I’m not just going by a very small sample set.

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  52. on March 6, 2013 at 7:22 pm huggums

    Still don’t agree entirely with this. “He starts with a primer about the evidence that beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, it is objectively measurable and only “subjective” inasmuch as the perception of objective beauty resides in the individual brain.” If one person 70 out of 100 people prefer vanilla to butter pecan, this is not evidence that vanilla is objectively better than butter pecan. You could certainly say it’s an objective fact that most people will prefer vanilla, and the preference of vanilla is every bit as hard-coded into the brains of vanilla-lovers as a given man’s preference for women of a particular physical type. This doesn’t mean that vanilla is objectively better tasting than butter pecan. In fact, it wouldn’t matter if everyone preferred vanilla. Vanilla is objectively better tasting still doesn’t make sense without a qualifier of some kind attached to it. The statement “3 is greater than 2” is objective. The statement “this woman is more beautiful than that one” is not without some metric by which to measure it. Then you have to explain why you’re using that metric.

    I think someone used the term “intersubjective”. It makes more sense. It can be objectively stated that most men will prefer the average white woman to the average black or asian woman or that most men find the average black woman to be the least beautiful. It cannot be objectively stated that any given woman is more beautiful than another unless you define beauty in a statistical way or you make a number of philosophical assumptions all of which can be scrutinized.

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  53. on March 6, 2013 at 7:30 pm Rum

    The demonstrable presence of Neanderthal genes to certain populations Way more than in others will become imho a huge part of the picture and this knowledge will imho turn out to be the most unPC thing ever.

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  54. on March 6, 2013 at 7:47 pm joeyjojo

    Black women dance better/fuck better … beauty is more than a photo

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 7:56 pm ow

      Much more of a wasteline however right.

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 7:57 pm ow

        waist lol

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 11:51 pm gunslingergregi

      no they don’t

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 3:09 am Jason

      Best lays I’ve ever had have been Latina … blacks and whites, meh… (I’m white).

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  55. on March 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm ow

    OT but haha. Just check your local m4w to confirm the topic’s thesis.

    http://greenville.craigslist.org/search/mis/?query=w4m

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  56. on March 6, 2013 at 8:31 pm Was Satoshi Kanazawa Right? « PUA Central

    […] Langlois et al., 1987; Langlois and Stephen, 1977). Similar findings have been obtained with adults …read more Source: Chateau […]

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  57. on March 6, 2013 at 8:41 pm Mike in Texas

    I have dated all races in my lifetime and I report:

    White women are by far the most diverse in their beliefs, sex drive, and personality. Some are incredible in bed, others… well, let’s just say that you will wonder if they are still alive during.

    Black women are just fucking crazy, especially when dating a virile white guy. They fuck like crazy though, scratching, and biting…

    Hispanic women are most likely the ones to take you home to momma to show you off. They are also very good in bed. Some incredibly so.

    Asian women (Vietnamese and Japanese mostly) are almost ashamed they are dating a white guy, no matter how good they look. They are the most reserved in the bedroom too. Although one in particular was incredibly versed in the art of fucking.

    Middle Eastern women – specifically a Turkish woman – OMFG. Very astute, very sexy, and insatiable. I thought I would die a happy man in her arms.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:52 am corvinus

      Middle Eastern women – specifically a Turkish woman – OMFG. Very astute, very sexy, and insatiable. I thought I would die a happy man in her arms.

      Apparently the word is getting out about Middle Eastern women. Several M.E. countries, including Tunisia and Turkey, have flipped from more American women than men marrying them back in 2007 to the other way around now (2011), and in other countries, the gap in American men’s favor has widened.

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  58. on March 6, 2013 at 9:20 pm Nicko

    Plenty of Asian women are pretty hot and they probably give me the hardest boners, but if you ever have kids with one, the kids are going to be pretty effed up – especially if you have boys. They are, by default, going to be betas.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 1:42 pm corvinus

      but if you ever have kids with one, the kids are going to be pretty effed up – especially if you have boys. They are, by default, going to be betas.

      Or queers. It seems that every other half-Asian male I know of is gay. The daughters would be knockouts at least. But then that brings morality into the equation: do you really want to abort any sons your Asian wife becomes pregnant with, or subject them to a miserable life?

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    • on March 9, 2013 at 9:17 am C

      many half asians have soldier/sailor/criminal dads and prostitute/barmaid moms. this is not how you make a beta.

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  59. on March 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm Duncan

    Science proves asians be heat…

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  60. on March 6, 2013 at 9:46 pm Rum

    When Neanderthal genes are found in the 4 to 5 percent range in Low -Land .Scotsman, Rich Hugenot Exiles from France and Askenazi Jews, and never ever at all in Sub Harrian africans; your mind is officially allowed to draw some insights.

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  61. on March 6, 2013 at 9:57 pm Antifeminist One

    As for the idea that black women photograph worse than women of other races, I’m not sure I buy it. Bodybuilders have known for a long time that tanned skin, sometimes tanned to the point of orange-y absurdity, looks better in glossy mags. Darker skin captures plays of light in more pleasing ways.

    The bodybuilding thing is true, yes. Darker skin contrasts highly with the specular highlight of oiled skin to create a greater illusion of depth and roundness to the muscles. Definitely not a good look with women.

    My take is that skin colour is somehow correlated to dominance, therefore masculinity. How that association came about, I’m not sure. Is it a throwback to the Victorian belief that darker skin meant more time in the sun = the realm of more physical people?

    But this would help to explain why black males and white females were highest preference.

    Maybe asians don’t select blacks much, because they’re considered hypermasculine brutes?

    Maybe that’s exactly why white girls love them, and poor disadvantaged white males want to be them?

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 9:59 pm Antifeminist One

      urgh, only the quote was meant to be italicised. Also, I replied to #comment-417233 but it didn’t seem to make it through?

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  62. on March 6, 2013 at 10:35 pm Taco

    O/T

    Alpha of the month?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2288970/Woman-mauled-death-lion-love-boyfriend-African-bush.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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    • on March 6, 2013 at 10:36 pm Taco

      A source told the newspaper the young woman died at the scene.
      He said: ‘Unfortunately the woman was mauled to death by the lion, but her boyfriend managed to escape naked.’

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      • on March 6, 2013 at 11:48 pm gunslingergregi

        in germany had a big wild pig to left of path i moved my woman from the left to my right side<====sucker

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:02 am hd

      He’s a gamma. He ran away from the obvious bigger alpha, who had absolutely no interest in women except to use them punching bag. Obviously, the girl, mystified by this beast of a badboy, decided to stay with him, and got mauled to death.

      An alpha would have confronted this overgrown kitty. While a beta would join in the beating.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:38 am gunslingergregi

        the real question is where was his ak-47

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:46 am gunslingergregi

        or at least a machette
        he is never gonna live that one down he should of died there with the chick
        or done something completely crazy like try to tear off the lions balls might of worked

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 12:36 pm Bopbopbeepbop

        pssh only beta males die trying to defend females. Alphas run and live to fuck another day

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm gunslingergregi

        if you die your alpha if you live you are a legend

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 12:59 am hd

        I thought alpha is supposed to be the protector (who dies first)
        Beta is the follower (who dies second)
        And Gamma is the quiiter (who dies last)

        That’s pretty much the entire reason why women prefer alpha… Cowards have no confidence.

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      • on March 8, 2013 at 5:22 pm Taco

        My personal opinion:

        No woman who is ready and willing to have sex in a ditch by the side of the road is worth dying for.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 8:10 am hd

        It’s actually an interesting concept that a gun could potentially turn all gamma into great alpha in 4 easy steps:

        1. See a cocky/badboy alpha surrounded by chicks
        2. Get gun
        3. Bamf bamf bamf
        4. PUSSIES!!!

        Why bother with all these silly games?

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  63. on March 6, 2013 at 11:31 pm gunslingergregi

    i have heard it all i think
    this chick said she went to jail for robbing her kids teacher
    i’m like say what how the fuck you do that
    she said she pulled a gun and told the kids teacher to give her her money at a parent teacher conference wtf
    she said don’t judge me
    lol
    allthough she did say sex with her husband got better over time so i was intrigued said it was the best when they split up and they hated each other
    said he tried to kill her twice first time she got out of icu and went right back to him
    used to eat her out before every time they had sex
    i’m like i only do that when married she like aww
    was doing favor for friend taking her home
    said i’m cool as fuck to talk to got 20 for gas and she bought me dinner
    wants to date no smexytime yet
    i may not be man enough to survive this one he he he
    she got out car she said i promise i won’t ask you to marry me
    i said yea right thats what they all say
    she said you don’t eat a chick out till your married and you allready are
    she got me on that one lolzzzzzzz
    chick was interesting to talk to but not really on list of chicks i want to bang they get big in jail dam
    think keep in female orbiter list

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  64. on March 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm gramps

    There can be no doubt that Africans are the most diverse group of humans. Humans evolved there. Only a few small groups left to form the other races. So, the Europeans and Asians show the “founder effect”, a relatively limited genetic diversity.

    The founder effect is well demonstrated in HIV. There are only a couple of strains common outside of Africa, but, there are many strains in West Africa, where the virus comes from. As a result, everybody from certain West African countries is barred from giving blood in this country, as the HIV tests can’t detect every strain of the virus.

    As to which race has the attractive girls. Look at the behavior of men. White men prefer whites, Asians prefer Asians, but blacks, they want pale brown or white women. When is the last time you saw a black man paired with a darker woman in the movies, TV, or advertising? These pairings are done to win approval from their target audience by well paid professionals. Which group would be offended or turned off by such a pairing? When you see a black man with a woman (excluding some old guy) in public, you will rarely see him with a darker woman. Conclusion: Black men despise blackness in a women. They must know something.

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  65. on March 7, 2013 at 2:04 am hd

    I’m a bit surprised that male gorilla isn’t rated the most attractive male, and female sheep the most attractive female.

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  66. on March 7, 2013 at 3:14 am Jason

    I think the posters above who discuss photography are dead on. Really white people lament their pale Gollum-like translucent skin, while really dark people lament their kinky hair and other unattractive features.

    Race aside, it seems that the sweet spot really is the 50% balance between dark and light. Which is discovered through miscegenation, tanning, or travelling to South America or the Middle East.

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  67. on March 7, 2013 at 3:32 am gunslingergregi

    you know i’m realizing ho’s even in us have souls they know i had oneitis like a motherfucker and hurtin they trying there best to get me through it. They may have had hard lives and shit and do fucked up things but dam when it went to shit a bit they trying their best to show me kindness
    got shaved yesterday didn’t ask cleaned my house didn’t ask
    still won’t let em sleep over though he he he
    and that is suposedly bottom of barrel
    but then i think about my dad and divorce with my mom and how everyone in the community of their church turned their backs on him in support of my mom
    and i wonder who is really living the message of the bible on earth freaky shit everything is always opposite of wtf it is supposed to be it seems

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  68. on March 7, 2013 at 4:55 am Tell a Veev

    The new Miss Israel.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 12:53 pm q

      She has beautiful cheeks: http://globalbeauties.com/blog/2013/03/ethiopian-beauty-crowned-miss-israel-2013/ ❤

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:06 pm q

        I think I need a face lift … or lose weight … something… I’d love to have the cheeks I had as a teenager.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:21 pm itsme

        yeah too bad the rest of her face needs a bit of work

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:25 pm q

        does it? i think she’s very feminine and elegant, her face is perfect imo.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm corvinus

      Looks like Israel has joined France, Norway, etc. by having alien black women represent them.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:17 pm Canadian Friend

        … Looks like Israel has joined France, Norway, etc. by having alien black women represent them….

        It is like naming a hockey player the best player of a football team.

        or having a cat winning a dog show.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:06 pm Anonymous

      Wow, didnt think Israel would go down this path.

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 9:54 am Nicole

        Only because you haven’t lived here.

        Beauty is objective. Certain traits may be more popular than others, but beauty is what it is, and there’s really no getting around that. Social convenience of some kinds of beauty over others doesn’t negate what is there, and if the dick rises, it rises in spite of whether or not a guy would marry the girl.

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  69. on March 7, 2013 at 7:54 am Markku

    “(The first girl I went ballsdeep in was Korean, one immensely beautiful, so I harbor little dislike for Asians, but again, high status and successful white men seem to prefer white women, while nerdy, socially awkward white men seem to prefer Asians.)”

    That follows from the greater standard distribution of facial attractiveness among white women and the higher prevalence of obesity among whites. Cock carouseling is also more common among young white women in the West. High status white men have access to the women women who have both beautiful faces and slender hourglass figures. White women’s SMV curve is in steep decline where the majority of white betas find themselves. The lack of widespread obesity among East Asians is sufficient to cause this alone. Eastern Europe is somewhat similar in this respect.

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  70. on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 am Norsefinder

    “Notions of human beauty seem to develop along similar lines in all humans.”

    Since when do blacks fit the criteria of ‘humans’?

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    • on March 9, 2013 at 9:57 am Nicole

      Since your ancestors were a tingle in some African traveler’s balls.

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  71. on March 7, 2013 at 9:08 am Mark Minter

    I got a harsh question.

    I read that gymnast delay entry into puberty because intense training keeps that weight under 100 pounds given how small they are.

    And I also read that the early onset of puberty that was becoming so common in young girls is because they are overweight and get to100 pounds quicker than earlier generations of girls.

    You have also written that obese women tend to have more “accidental” pregnancies. And we both know that “accidental” tag is full of shit. Something deep deep in the back of that fat fucking brain says “get it while you can, girlfriend”.

    I recently heard about a 10 year old daughter of someone I know, a fat bitch with a fat little daughter, that is having to take hormones to attempt to delay the onset of puberty.

    So now the harsh question.

    Do you think the early onset of puberty is nature’s way of recognizing that fat little bitch is going to have a rough go at getting someone to fuck her when she gets older. So it brings on puberty earlier as a way of compensating and trying to capitalize on that youth to get it while it can before it gets too fucking late for any male with any genes worth a shit to even look at her, much less fuck her?

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 10:07 am Erudite Knight

      Actually, there is tons of evidence that the hormones in the water (estrogen mainly) and hormones from milk cause this. I explain this on my blog.

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  72. on March 7, 2013 at 10:06 am Erudite Knight

    Things like this person being removed show how we blind ourselves to reality.

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  73. on March 7, 2013 at 11:13 am RappaccinisDaughter

    Well, my question is this: Did they simply rate for attractiveness, or for the observers’ actual physical attraction to the models? There is a distinction, at least for me. I can look at someone and say, “Wow, that is one fine-looking guy,” and still not feel any actual physical attraction to them.

    Case in point: Taye Diggs is an extremely good-looking man, but my appreciation of him is purely aesthetic, not sexual. I think he’s good-looking the way I think a statue is good-looking, because I’m simply not physically attracted outside my race.

    Same thing with, say, Cillian Murphy. He’s gorgeous, but although we are both Caucasian, I’m still not physically attracted to him. His features are too delicate and feminine for him to “do anything” for me.

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    • on March 9, 2013 at 3:16 pm Nicole

      Self reporting is unreliable because people don’t generally live in total isolation. So studies like this don’t really tell me anything but what people say they believe or like, not what is really doing the job. There is a test for erection or clitoral engorgement, but few would submit to such a test.

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    • on March 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm C

      “Taye Diggs is an extremely good-looking man, but my appreciation of him is purely aesthetic, not sexual. I think he’s good-looking the way I think a statue is good-looking, because I’m simply not physically attracted outside my race.”

      hamster running wild.

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  74. on March 7, 2013 at 11:13 am Bo Jangles

    Native Americans are also very unattractive on average(I’m talking 100% native no mixtures), do a google image search on them and you’ll see what I mean. In peru its a minor miracle to find a beautiful woman, weird bodies, weird faces. I think in tribal societies people were sleeping with everyone as a social glue (social cohesion was uber important in tribes). So big balls got selected for more than handsome men or women(sperm are what compete if women sleep with multiple men so producing more sperm is an advantage). One thing this doesnt touch on is how well men/women age, I suspect there are large differences in attractiveness over time among the races as well.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 1:47 pm corvinus

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the Spanish didn’t screw all the hotter elite Amerindian women, leaving the dregs behind. In other words, pure Amerindians nowadays are their equivalent of Cletus the hillbilly.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 2:26 pm feministx

      So true. However, it seems like great plains native americans from north america are good looking (both male and female). Central american indians are so damn ugly. I hate ’em. Like whorefinder is to black man, feministx is to mestiza. I mean those 4’6″ moon faced creatures with paunches wider than their hips.

      These studies would probably look more credible if they included more ethnic groups which would then show that african american women were not at the bottom. Put some peruvian indians, samoans, australian aboriginals into the study and then 18 yr old Shaneequa will not look so bad.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:44 pm Jason

        Haha. Agreed.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 2:44 pm Nicole

        Though it would make for more intellectual honesty to have actual races studied, rather than wide umbrella groupings, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter unless someone is a scientist or living in an extremely ethnically diverse community.

        It would matter to someone in a diverse community, especially of mixed ancestry, to understand just how like goes to like, even when the available options are not all alike. It could also be relevant in choosing partners with whom one is most likely to produce children who will have certain traits one likes.

        Level of beauty is a nice thing to study that most people are interested in, but what about other things like intelligence, assertiveness/aggression, ability to think independently, etc? Some awareness of how things pan out over time could come in handy.

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  75. on March 7, 2013 at 12:52 pm gunslingergregi

    Why is the race of the two attackers who beat a child to death being hidden by all media? You have to watch a video interview of one of the killer’s father to learn the attacker was black.
    And what was the punishment for the two attackers? A two-day suspension each. If the races were reversed this would be national headline news for a month.
    ””””””””’

    ”””’@aspiehler Yes, I wonder if the boy was “afraid of getting in trouble” for fighting back because his attackers were in a protected class. 50 minutes ago ””””

    2 on 1 apparently there is a video

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  76. on March 7, 2013 at 12:53 pm gunslingergregi

    2 on 1 just another day in the hood

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  77. on March 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm q

    ps @lenadunham blocked CH from following her twit feed. Nerve center status: hit. 17 minutes ago

    Hahaha 😀 We LOVE you, Heartsie 😉

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 1:07 pm q

      I’m in moderation? OK … 😦

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 1:11 pm q

        sorry. delete this last post!

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 pm whorefinder

      lol. Awesome for heartiste!

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  78. on March 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm Neecy

    African American black women skew the black beauty/femininity pool b/c of weight issues and overall culturally lacking feminine ideals.

    But if American black women in large droves got to normal healthy attractive weights AND improved their femininity we’d be a force to be reckoned with in the sexual marketplace. Many would also be of great competition to Asian and White women who CANNOT compete with the body of a well shaped black woman.

    That is why so much effort is put into keeping black women in the “fat acceptance” bandwagon and acting and looking like mammies. Black women on almost all media (at least American) are always ALWAYS shown as fat asexual and unfeminine. This is not to say there aren’t black women who fit these ideal HOWEVER very little effort is put into showing attractive, femi e and Shapley black women UNLESS she is slutty.

    I agree that black American women have a lot of improvements to make before people can really see our beauty.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 pm whorefinder

      But if American black women in large droves got to normal healthy attractive weights AND improved their femininity we’d be a force to be reckoned with in the sexual marketplace

      —–lol. Yep, that’s why the slave masters were taking black wives in droves—they were so hot!

      Spin, hamster, spin!

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      • on March 9, 2013 at 10:01 am Nicole

        Only a beta judges women’s attractiveness by social convenience/marriageability. If your dick only rises because a woman is sought after for marriage, you are one sorry excuse for a male.

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    • on March 7, 2013 at 5:03 pm Antifeminist One

      Holy shit I can’t believe I forgot this one. A girl was mysteriously disqualified after winning a beauty pageant due to her whiteness giving an unfair advantage:
      http://www.cinemablend.com/pop/Miss-Fiji-Pageant-Controversy-Ends-With-Winner-Ouster-42487.html

      The contestant won the annual Miss Fiji contest earlier this year, but with her mixed European-Fijan heritage, many felt she didn’t accurately represent what makes the women of the area beautiful.

      …she’s been officially disqualified for only being sixteen years old…but not everyone is buying the politically correct answer. The powers that be have admitted they knew Watters’ age when she competed, but they say they were misinformed about the qualifications needed to compete in Miss World.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 5:11 pm Antifeminist One

        This is what affirmative action does to beauty pageants..

        Disqualified:

        New ‘winner’:

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 10:28 pm casaanova

        Disqualified:
        http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/world_news/2012/04/2012_miss_world_fij

        Ehhhh. C’mon dude.

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      • on March 7, 2013 at 8:34 pm Canadian Friend

        The above example although anecdotal shows that only whites are victims of this kind of racism.

        Other races are all allowed to exclude someone who is too white, but whites are never allowed to exclude someone because they are not white enough

        anti-racism does mean anti-white

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  79. on March 7, 2013 at 11:22 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    I’m looking at a video linked from http://apocalypsecometh.com/hugo-chavez-is-dead/. It is on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qmcUIOLrsI

    Interestingly, starting around the 12:40 mark, we are told in Caracas Venezuela the (bankster?) elite are white (Hispanic) whereas the numerous poor of the slums are black (Hispanic). I expect the Hispanics have a diminutive societal life cycle as compared to that of the West. Nature is consistent.

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  80. on March 9, 2013 at 10:11 am Going Over to the Enemy | Eradica

    […] Was Satoshi Kanazawa Right? (heartiste.wordpress.com) […]

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  81. on March 12, 2013 at 4:05 pm Mr. Big

    “Black men rated the highest in facial attractiveness? I find it difficult to believe that this is an objective judgment, and not ideologically motivated. They should repeat the study with women from South America, or Europe, or Asia. 14 white PC women from the USA is not a good sample size.

    I mean can anyone here seriously believe this judgment with a straight face? The subsaharan type face has to be among the ugliest between any races. This is also pretty much reflected in the sexual marketplace worldwide.”

    Of course statements like this don’t offset science. Relish in his conclusions about black women to satisfy your need to feel superior, but don’t deny science as it relates to black men due to your personal biases, hang-ups and opinions. That is very feminine/feminist like. Clearly among men, sub-Saharan facial types are most attractive. Sorry that it is so difficult for you to accept. And British faces are probably the most ugly.

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  82. on March 13, 2013 at 9:38 pm narut00

    asian people indeed are the most beautiful, both women and men, the fact that many whites tan their skin is proof, since they want to be in the same range of asian skin color: not extremely pale, but not extremely dark either, in the middle, like asians
    another proof is that black women also mimick asians, because they make their hair straight like the asian hair

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  83. on April 11, 2013 at 7:07 am Rini

    imo beauty comes in all colors white,black,asian etc. and everyone has their own attraction preference which is fine. but would like to point out that when people claim black women as ‘unattractive’ you clearly seem to forget that all other races have their fair share of unattractive people. And i seen some ugly white,spanish and asian women.

    [CH: Plz look up the word averages and return when you have a grasp of basic logic etiquette.]

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  84. on April 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm anon

    http://bigthink.com/the-voice-of-big-think/the-end-of-a-bold-experiment-big-think-and-satoshi-kanazawa

    Kanazawa has been fired yet again. (no need to post this comment)

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  85. on April 20, 2013 at 11:12 am Peanut

    I don’t know what to say about this post.

    I’m not sure why people love making posts like this…well actually I think I know why…

    All I can say is, as an African-American woman, I respect people’s right to have their “preference,” for whatever reason, but please don’t misuse science to excuse your personal bias. Just let it be…

    I don’t agree with this conclusion that Black women are objectively the least attractive…I know, to some people, my opinion doesn’t count because well..I am a Black woman, but I love the way we look. I love everything about us. Our features in all of their diversity, our natural Afro hair, our bodies, our stunning range of skin tones, I love the diversity of our cultures, the way we move naturally. i love it. I think there are beautiful women in all races, but I, as a Black woman, have no desire to look like them.

    Even if people claim no one else sees the beauty in Black women, I do.

    I basically think it makes people feel good and gets them off to keep going on and on about Black women and how “ugly,” we all supposedly are. It makes people feel good and I’ve accepted this. Someone’s gotta be the mule, I understand that, but I do not believe it at all.

    I will never understand the point of posts such as this because even if it were true and it’s definitely not…what purpose would telling Black women that we’re “ugly” serve…shall we go home, sit in a corner, cry and wait to die or what…?? I just don’t see the point of any of these nonsense studies.

    There are literally hundreds of millions of Black women on this earth…out of hundreds of millions…we’re all just coming out the womb with the ugly curse??? Even though all life originated from the womb of a Black woman and all physical traits ultimately can be traced back to her…but we’re all just ugly??? really??

    Oh well, to each his own… but Black women aren’t going anywhere.

    Finally, if the features of these Black women are what is considered to be “ugly,” then I wear that label with pride….

    http://blacknotwhitedippedinchocolate.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/of-black-women-ugliness-again/

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    • on April 20, 2013 at 8:41 pm JayMan

      “I don’t agree with this conclusion that Black women are objectively the least attractive…I know, to some people, my opinion doesn’t count because well..I am a Black woman, but I love the way we look.”

      Full disclosure, I’m a Black man (well, mixed White and Chinese as well).

      “Objective” attractiveness applies to average statistics. On average when you pool ratings of many individuals – including of those of several different races – including Blacks – Black women rate the least attractive, at least of the “major” races.

      As such, any one individual’s mileage my vary significantly.

      “Even if people claim no one else sees the beauty in Black women”

      That’s not what the researchers claim.

      “I basically think it makes people feel good and gets them off to keep going on and on about Black women and how “ugly,” we all supposedly are.”

      The researcher who present this finding are merely reporting what they find. It is not they who are rating Black women low. Take it up with the raters who make those judgements.

      That said, this is an ad hominem, not an objective criticism.

      “There are literally hundreds of millions of Black women on this earth…out of hundreds of millions…we’re all just coming out the womb with the ugly curse??? “

      Physical appearance is heritable. For whatever reason, Black women tend to less frequently have the features people deem attractive.

      For the record, there are plenty of attractive Black women. But this is talking about averages.

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      • on April 21, 2013 at 6:22 pm FuriousFerret

        Jayman, you are attempting to reason with a woman. You do know that right?

        Anyway, my opinion on black women are they need to play to their strengths. As much as they hate this, when they play to their raw sexuality and muscularity when in shape they can own that section of the market. The black women that I find attractive are the ones that scream fuck me good and have that sexual energy. However as in most things they want what they don’t have so they try to compete with white women on their turf with straigtened hair and fair features. When they do that of course they are going to lose.

        I have personal experience in playing to your strengths. I have really really fair skin, hair and features. I used to have my hair cut in the Roman way because everyone else did and that was what you were supposed to whether you liked it or not. Well, I grew my hair in a stylized longish way and I get way more positive attention along with criticism for it. I like the best though. Longish hair on northern euro I believe is the most fitting. I empathized my feminine features because I’m at a disadvantage when trying to play the hard faced masculine even though it’s more widely accepted as being better. I own my niche of fair skin/features and while tall dark and handsome is the absolute best to a wide audience, I’m catering to my market.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm Neecy

        I just want you to know I used your post as a great lesson and example on my blog in which I have been trying to tell Black women this.

        Thanks for this GEM!! 😉

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 6:31 am JayMan

        Wait ’til you see my bill…

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      • on May 1, 2013 at 11:09 pm Neecy

        HA! Ferret is the only one who can charge me 😉

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  86. on April 20, 2013 at 9:07 pm Peanut

    @ Jayman,

    “Physical appearance is heritable. For whatever reason, Black women tend to less frequently have the features people deem attractive.”

    I think we [Black women] are far too diverse for anyone to make that assumption.

    you are entitled to your preference and your opinion, but I don’t agree.

    It is what it is.

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    • on April 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm JayMan

      @Peanut:

      “‘Physical appearance is heritable. For whatever reason, Black women tend to less frequently have the features people deem attractive.’

      I think we [Black women] are far too diverse for anyone to make that assumption. “

      You realize we’re talking about statistics here, yes? “Diversity” is taken into account…

      “you are entitled to your preference and your opinion, but I don’t agree.”

      It’s not my opinion, it’s what the research shows.

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  87. on April 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm Peanut

    @ Jayman,

    “It’s not my opinion, it’s what the research shows.”

    you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Thank you

    [Dude CH: That’s just, like, your opinion, man.]

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  88. on April 22, 2013 at 10:24 pm Peanut

    @ Heartiste

    Thank you for posting my comments. 🙂

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    • on April 24, 2013 at 7:01 am thwack

      Peanut,

      the constant chatter about black women being unattractive is a trick white men use to keep them easy to fuck. It makes black women who get a complement from white men think they found the one good white man who really loves black women; when in reality, he is only working on his “yeah I fucked a black girl” merit badge.

      This technique works on all females. If I tell a white girl, “I don’t date white girls…” she thinks there is something wrong, not with me, but with herself.

      Also, there are some white guys that can’t get a white OR a black girl.

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  89. on April 23, 2013 at 11:21 am mstoogood4yall

    As long as they continue to do these studies in majorly white settings i will not agree with it.When these studies are done in more diverse places and not just america,europe,or the Uk then i might believe it.The Standard of beauty is different for different countries. If black women are so ugly why do people stay going to places like brazil for the women.If white women are so great then why were white men raping black women when they had a beautiful white wife to go home to.Black men are viewed as more masculine because unlike white men and asian men they don’t do studies saying this woman is more beautiful than this woman every woman regardless of race can be beautiful to them.Its natural for men to want a beautiful woman regardless of race,if a woman has a certain feature they like they will go after her regardless of race.White men and asian men are feminized because they are too focused on studies instead of just liking who they like and being with beautiful women,they have to go and do a study on why that woman is beautiful.Just enjoy the view stop over analyzing things,women don’t want a man that over thinks things.

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    • on May 1, 2013 at 11:14 pm Neecy

      White men and asian men are feminized because they are too focused on studies instead of just liking who they like and being with beautiful women,they have to go and do a study on why that woman is beautiful.Just enjoy the view stop over analyzing things,women don’t want a man that over thinks things.

      BINGO!! Yet another GEM. Why White and Asian males are so caught up on stupid assed studies (that justify WHAT int he grand scheme of things???) instead of just being MEN and enjoying and loving beautiful women is mind boggling. Its really annoying and makes them look pretty pathetic as men. real men do not sit around making up stupid assinine studies about what race of women are most beautiful and which are most ugly. Seriously can you say super INSECURE. And men who do this shit are the ones who are usually the least likely to be getting laid by ANY WOMAN. That is why they are so busy making dumb ass studies.

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  90. on April 24, 2013 at 12:30 am Peanut

    @ mstoogoodall,

    “White men and asian men are feminized because they are too focused on studies instead of just liking who they like and being with beautiful women,they have to go and do a study on why that woman is beautiful.Just enjoy the view stop over analyzing things,women don’t want a man that over thinks things.”

    good point.

    “If black women are so ugly why do people stay going to places like brazil for the women.If white women are so great then why were white men raping black women when they had a beautiful white wife to go home to.”

    It is terrifying to think that at one point, a Black woman would have had zero rights to her own body. Even after slavery, up until the civil rights movement, a Black woman could be terrorized by a white man at will, while a black man got lynched for looking at a white woman.

    For centuries, Black women had no rights to our bodies, everything about us was picked apart, sold, owned…misused and degraded. I think we [Black American women] have all heard horror stories in our family where this has happened, I know of two tragic incidents in my family that I will not disclose on this type of blog…it’s too personal. This kind of abuse happened to Black women all throughout the new world and in many parts of Africa too. Entire mixed-ethnic groups of people were born out of the bodies of Black women who had no right to those bodies…. How must it have felt to have a child come from your body who is not only the child of your oppressor, but a child who will be forced to suffer the same enslavement and torture that you have?? How painful must that have been to have to look at your child and love that child, yet look into their face and see the features and the face of the man who raped you? How horrible is that…?? and worse yet, these women were silenced and forced to put up a pretense as if nothing had happened and made to call these children born of a white man “black,” as if no rape had even occurred. and this is why there are so many stories that remain untold and people will never know.

    It’s just sad to look back at history and see how maligned and degraded African-Americans, especially Black women, have been and then to see so-called “studies,” in the year 2012/2013 still playing off of old, racist stereotypes is very disheartening. I always try to remember how far we’ve come and how compared to our Grandmothers, Great-Grandmother’s, we’ve got it so much better, yet it still as if we’re being picked apart and degraded all over again. I won’t compare it to being on the auction block, but it’s a very disheartening thing to have people pick you apart, stereotype you and just treat you as if you’re an object to be debated about…to be made into a pathology…an incomplete human, like we’re still regarded as 3/5 of a person, instead of complex, full human being. It almost makes you want to cry, but at the same time…you can’t change people. It’s been this way for a very long time…I don’t expect certain people to understand

    As I said in my earlier comments, people have a right to their preference, but I just do not understand why they have to degrade and demean people to justify their preference. It makes me feel sad sometimes, but life goes on, we’ll deal like always.

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  92. on May 4, 2013 at 8:19 pm Anonymous

    I’m sorry but… i think this Satoshi dude is straight up dumb. I’m no scientist or psychologist and unlike most people hiding behind their computers on the internet, I am not ashamed to admit that I have NO title of merit. However; I’m smart enough to know that there is really no way to scientifically measure femininity because, facial femininity is more of a social phenomenon that is different among other cultures than it is anything that’s automatically in our brains. And feminine characteristics were widely agreed upon, who’s to say that hyper-feminine women are more beautiful? A lot of men supposedly like long tall thin women, and according to this study, high cheekbones are a coveted feature in the supermodel as well as the regular world. Well although I have to admit, I agree high cheekbones are gorgeous (in MY opinion) and I feel blessed to be a girl who has them BUT last time I checked, high cheekbones were a masculine characteristic and low cheekbones were feminine. And a low percentage of body fat, more likely to be found on a masculine body. Being tall, is also a masculine characteristic. So how is it that all theses so called “MASCULINE characteristics” are still considered beautiful on women? Because female beauty is not a measurable fact but an IDEA and this man has based his studies on his own personal idea and got 20 or so “randoms” to confirm his personal opinion/inferiority complex.

    If you don’t agree with me that femininity is more of an idea than something of fact, consider this. Children born (male; obviously xy chromosomes) say “i hate being a boy, I’m a girl and god made a mistake. growing up i played with barbies. I hate sports, and bugs always gross me out pink is my favorite color” and all those other dumb fuck things that are apparently essential to being a person born of an xx chromosome pairing. So, they get fake boobs, emasculation facial surgery and flip their “outtie” to an “innie” and now they are a woman. So, what does that teach biological little girls? If you’re not like “this” or “that” you’re not “woman” enough in accordance with America’s social norms. So basically, reducing womanhood and femininity to big boobs, high heels, and all other things that are attainable to men via invasive surgery and a shopping spree. Name one transgender you’ve ever met who thoroughly understood a WOMAN’S struggle in society? (a woman of ANY color) … not one. Do they understand transgender struggle? yeah sure. But that’s not a woman’s. What does this teach little boys? “If you don’t do this and that, if you don’t like girls, if you cant build muscle as well as your dad, if you don’t play baseball. you have a case of “girl’s brains” and you should get a sex change cause you sure as hell aint man enough to be one of us!”

    that’s a bunch of bullshit. And just as ridiculous as trying to measure physical attractiveness among the races and lay his opinions down like a blanket over everyone else.

    IF and I say IF the attractiveness of a woman were even measurable for EVERY human being, than shouldn’t female attractiveness/femininity be measured off of who is more fit for optimal reproduction or whatever those terms are scientist like to use? The whole “men like big breast because theres a shitload of milk for their babies” idea. and “men like women with large hips and tiny little waists because they gone be pushin’ out dem babies like HOT CAKES!” if NON subjective femininity even exists, it is definitely that. Because seeking out a mate capable of reproduction is the only so called attractive feature that crosses cultures. So it wouldn’t make sense that asian women are the most attractive because although they may have SUBJECTIVELY feminine features, i mean… c’mon guys… we all ought to know about their bodies by now, right??? And wouldn’t that make asian women and black men drawn to each other? Last time I checked, I’ve never seen some frail little asian woman have to beat off scary muscle-bound black dudes with a stick, nor have I seen asian men vigorously pursued by black women. LALWLZ THAT’S A JOKE! Those pairings are more rare than john’s wayne’s bloody steak dinners.

    However, Im not sure if objective femininity/beauty ideals even exists. I also believe if it did exist, who says hyper-femininity is beautiful? Victoria secret models dictate most of what men find attractive and even what I would want to look like, but they are far from what satoshi says is psychologically gorgeous because they have some very “masculine” features such as high cheekbones, less body fat percentage, and tall stature.

    In a nutshell, that’s why I think Satoshi was rightfully fired because he’s a bit of a dumbass for not considering that- among many other arguments.

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  93. on May 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm Anonymous

    i totally commented on this and they were literally erased

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