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The Wrong Way To Get Out Of The Friendzone

March 11, 2013 by CH

For those men who think they can talk their way out of the friendzone and into the poosy zone, here’s a cautionary reminder from a reader who let it all hang out with a girl who had only known him as a lovable, asexual emotional whore:

I attempted to get out the friendzone and admitted my feelings to my friend. She has been busy addressing personal issues i.e. things “not going her way” or “bad stuff happening all at once.” She has reminded on two occasions via text that she wants to talk and “has not forgotten about me.” In the back of my head I have accepted I will most likely be rejected. To add insult to injury, I know, through mutual friends, she has been entertaining out of town girlfriends and attended a couple of social gatherings (i.e. dinner and a pool party).

When she does decide to talk how do I react? Do I “punish” her for ignoring me? If so, how do I play that card? Or is there an alternative?

Getting out of the friendzone is no easy task, especially if you have never been anything to the girl but a friend with advanced commiseration ability. Many men can tolerate only so much denial of their sexual needs by oblivious girls using them for emotional bonding before the breaking point is reached whereupon the man foolishly decides bracing candor is an effective course of action to turn that girl buddy into a passionate lover.

It never is. Admitting your feelings to a girl buddy is an extinction level fail that will harden her disgust at the thought of you as a sexual partner. If you have a hard time fathoming the fail here, imagine a morbidly obese woman who has been a friend of yours for years suddenly shoving her bratwurst tongue down your throat in a moment of unrestrained lust.

Failure #2: Not recognizing female hamster rationalizations as evidence of discomfort with your desire. When a girl says “Bad stuff is happening all at once”, or “I need some time to myself”, what she is really saying is “Bad stuff with you is happening all at once” and “I need some time with a sexy alpha male.” She’s pushing away from you, my friend. You aren’t just failing to make her attracted to you, you’re actually making things worse.

Failure #3: Thinking you can still win her over. When you have gone too far down the path of sackless betatude, almost anything you do will enhance her status and diminish yours. You care too much, and she knows that. A man who cares is a man who is denied love. Your efforts, such as they are, will only be perceived by her as confirmation of your poor mate quality.

The way to play this game is to act like you aren’t playing at all. First, get it out of your head that she nurses a lingering attraction for you. She despises you. Nothing but pity and contempt for you lingers in her head. She will not ever “see the light and come around”. Second, don’t make the mistake of thinking a calculated reversal of your emotional availability is the antidote to her lack of attraction. You cannot shift your behavior on a dime and expect there to be no blowback. If you become cold and distant, she will simply assume you are butthurt by her rejection of you.

“When she does decide to talk how do I react?”

Bad frame. She isn’t going to decide to talk to you, and your job in life isn’t to react to whatever awesome nonsense spills from her lips. How about this better frame: “If I decide to talk to her it will be because I’m bored.”

“Do I “punish” her for ignoring me?”

She is nothing of importance to you. Why would you punish a nothing for acting like a nothing? If she contacts you, treat her like you would any insignificant entity in your life: neutrally, until she proves otherwise by behaving either pleasantly or condescendingly.

“If so, how do I play that card?”

Let’s say she calls or texts you, “Hey, what’s up! I told you I haven’t forgotten about you, my bestest guy friend in the whole world!” Are you supposed to grovel to this? Show gratitude for bestowing you with her attention? Punish her for ignoring you? Get hysterical with loving pleas for deeper intimacy? Go ahead, do any of that. And then hear how quickly the conversation goes south. No, the way to play this card is with AMUSED MASTERY. What a funny bird to be talking like this to you, as if you’ve been breathlessly anticipating her call for weeks! She is so weird. And a little stalkerish. You are amused by women’s hyperbolic drama when you know what uneventful lives they really lead. You reply, “Wow, you’re weird. Thinking about me the whole time?”

“Or is there an alternative?”

You are the friend, and she is in your friendzone. You are the alpha male, and she is a contestant for a slot in your harem. You are the doer, the creator, the lover, and she is the appreciator of your masculine vitality, the very vitality that women everywhere secretly envy and wish for themselves. That means, she exists to entertain you. She will enjoy your time when you have time to spare. She is your toy, not the other way around.

Remember this. Now you have inner game. You have the attitude. The attitude will infuse your arteries like rivulets of mutant DNA, transforming you from needy beta to alluring alpha. She’s a strange duck, so full of herself, but you’ll play along. You like to have fun. So you tease her. And you taunt her. And you dismiss her when she tries to angle you as the eunuch lump she used to dump all her gripes on. “So let me tell you about this guy who…” Sssshhhh… be quiet, socially awkward attention whore penguin. Did you know you have funny looking feet? What’s that? Still blabbering about this other guy? Thanks for the medical update on the condition of your vagina. So hot, so attractive. No wonder you’re still single.

Do you see, reader? Have you been darkly enlightened? Then go forth, and recreate. And return here when you have something uplifting to tell us all.

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  1. on March 11, 2013 at 2:23 pm n/a

    When a man has nothing to lose he should act that way. Get her alone and say: I need to tell you a secret.

    Choose your apocalypse opener at that point. Whisper it in her ear.

    Why not?

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 5:28 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      Here’s what works for da gbfm every time.

      “let’s compromise. I’ll stay in the friend zone, but my lostas cockas need out.”

      lzozzoozozozzzozlz

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:06 am PetiteOlive

        loxxxxlxxxxooolx

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 1:55 am gunslingergregi

        dammit she is in heat
        allright i feel like i know people here kind of good lets form a line and i’m first

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm PetiteOlive

        no. you have been friend-zoned. :p

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 12:01 am gunslingergregi

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        The Wrong Way To Get Out Of The Friendzone

        March 11, 2013 by CH

        For those men who think they can talk their way out of the friendzone and into the poosy zone, here’s a cautionary reminder from a reader who let it all hang out with a girl who had only known him as a lovable, asexual emotional whore:

        I attempted to get out the friendzone and admitted my feelings to my friend. She has been busy addressing personal issues i.e. things “not going her way” or “bad stuff happening all at once.” She has reminded on two occasions via text that she wants to talk and “has not forgotten about me.” In the back of my head I have accepted I will most likely be rejected. To add insult to injury, I know, through mutual friends, she has been entertaining out of town girlfriends and attended a couple of social gatherings (i.e. dinner and a pool party).

        When she does decide to talk how do I react? Do I “punish” her for ignoring me? If so, how do I play that card? Or is there an alternative?

        Getting out of the friendzone is no easy task, especially if you have never been anything to the girl but a friend with advanced commiseration ability. Many men can tolerate only so much denial of their sexual needs by oblivious girls using them for emotional bonding before the breaking point is reached whereupon the man foolishly decides bracing candor is an effective course of action to turn that girl buddy into a passionate lover.

        It never is. Admitting your feelings to a girl buddy is an extinction level fail that will harden her disgust at the thought of you as a sexual partner. If you have a hard time fathoming the fail here, imagine a morbidly obese woman who has been a friend of yours for years suddenly shoving her bratwurst tongue down your throat in a moment of unrestrained lust.

        Failure #2: Not recognizing female hamster rationalizations as evidence of discomfort with your desire. When a girl says “Bad stuff is happening all at once”, or “I need some time to myself”, what she is really saying is “Bad stuff with you is happening all at once” and “I need some time with a sexy alpha male.” She’s pushing away from you, my friend. You aren’t just failing to make her attracted to you, you’re actually making things worse.

        Failure #3: Thinking you can still win her over. When you have gone too far down the path of sackless betatude, almost anything you do will enhance her status and diminish yours. You care too much, and she knows that. A man who cares is a man who is denied love. Your efforts, such as they are, will only be perceived by her as confirmation of your poor mate quality.

        The way to play this game is to act like you aren’t playing at all. First, get it out of your head that she nurses a lingering attraction for you. She despises you. Nothing but pity and contempt for you lingers in her head. She will not ever “see the light and come around”. Second, don’t make the mistake of thinking a calculated reversal of your emotional availability is the antidote to her lack of attraction. You cannot shift your behavior on a dime and expect there to be no blowback. If you become cold and distant, she will simply assume you are butthurt by her rejection of you.

        “When she does decide to talk how do I react?”

        Bad frame. She isn’t going to decide to talk to you, and your job in life isn’t to react to whatever awesome nonsense spills from her lips. How about this better frame: “If I decide to talk to her it will be because I’m bored.”

        “Do I “punish” her for ignoring me?”

        She is nothing of importance to you. Why would you punish a nothing for acting like a nothing? If she contacts you, treat her like you would any insignificant entity in your life: neutrally, until she proves otherwise by behaving either pleasantly or condescendingly.

        “If so, how do I play that card?”

        Let’s say she calls or texts you, “Hey, what’s up! I told you I haven’t forgotten about you, my bestest guy friend in the whole world!” Are you supposed to grovel to this? Show gratitude for bestowing you with her attention? Punish her for ignoring you? Get hysterical with loving pleas for deeper intimacy? Go ahead, do any of that. And then hear how quickly the conversation goes south. No, the way to play this card is with AMUSED MASTERY. What a funny bird to be talking like this to you, as if you’ve been breathlessly anticipating her call for weeks! She is so weird. And a little stalkerish. You are amused by women’s hyperbolic drama when you know what uneventful lives they really lead. You reply, “Wow, you’re weird. Thinking about me the whole time?”

        “Or is there an alternative?”

        You are the friend, and she is in your friendzone. You are the alpha male, and she is a contestant for a slot in your harem. You are the doer, the creator, the lover, and she is the appreciator of your masculine vitality, the very vitality that women everywhere secretly envy and wish for themselves. That means, she exists to entertain you. She will enjoy your time when you have time to spare. She is your toy, not the other way around.

        Remember this. Now you have inner game. You have the attitude. The attitude will infuse your arteries like rivulets of mutant DNA, transforming you from needy beta to alluring alpha. She’s a strange duck, so full of herself, but you’ll play along. You like to have fun. So you tease her. And you taunt her. And you dismiss her when she tries to angle you as the eunuch lump she used to dump all her gripes on. “So let me tell you about this guy who…” Sssshhhh… be quiet, socially awkward attention whore penguin. Did you know you have funny looking feet? What’s that? Still blabbering about this other guy? Thanks for the medical update on the condition of your vagina. So hot, so attractive. No wonder you’re still single.

        Do you see, reader? Have you been darkly enlightened? Then go forth, and recreate. And return here when you have something uplifting to tell us all.

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        on March 11, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Reply n/a

        When a man has nothing to lose he should act that way. Get her alone and say: I need to tell you a secret.

        Choose your apocalypse opener at that point. Whisper it in her ear.

        Why not?

        on March 11, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Here’s what works for da gbfm every time.

        “let’s compromise. I’ll stay in the friend zone, but my lostas cockas need out.”

        lzozzoozozozzzozlz

        ””””””””

        american chicks are so fickle what can ya do

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 2:42 am gunslingergregi

        the site didn’t even allow me to respond lol funny shit

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 9:31 pm Le Suèdois

        @ Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen

        “every time”, no less! Brilliant stylistic sense.

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  2. on March 11, 2013 at 2:30 pm jlw

    Omegas have the leg up here over betas as they never languish in the friendzone. They say and do whatever they damn well please.

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  3. on March 11, 2013 at 2:33 pm Heywood Jablome

    The best DHV is a hot babe on your arm. Get one, and if you still want to trade down for your female friend, your odds will at least be non-zero.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm gunslingergregi

      yea i think i got one on the line a hot blond (really hot) ran out a house yesterday in front my car up the road a bit and then went back past my car and into house i think she was auditioning

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm Anonymous

        “Auditioning”.

        I think you are stealing my vocabulary from many years ago.

        Please proceed.

        ∞

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:14 am gunslingergregi

        hey i got a perfect score on the writing portion of act my vocab huge lol
        if they could only see me now

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:23 am Anonymous

        No worries brah. These same ideas occur to all men of a certain level of/propensity for thought.

        That was my self-congratulatory statement of the week. Indeed, Miuzi weighs a ton.

        ∞

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:50 am gunslingergregi

        if you remember it i’ll give it to ya
        i think i talked to you before bout my moment of clarity on stock doing the penny increments but then i decided short long term and got owned

        self congrats should only be given once a week you prob doing it right he he he

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 12:02 am gunslingergregi

        she was auditioning top of the world said in a loud scream

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 1:26 am gunslingergregi

        didn’t realize chick was 6 ft fucking tall lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz
        she might of had the high heels on though i didn’t notice

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 3:46 am gunslingergregi

        she put my hand on her chest and said feel my heart
        he he he

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  4. on March 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm Themuff1nman

    Beautifully written, the perfect response for the friendzoned beta who has embarked, finally, on his path toward Alphadom.

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  5. on March 11, 2013 at 2:39 pm Vince

    From the Beta
    “I attempted to get out the friendzone and admitted my feelings to my friend. (..)”

    WEAK! Feelings…so homo. The king has no feelings, he makes his desires come true or moves on.

    ” Do I “punish” her for ignoring me? If so, how do I play that card? Or is there an alternative?”

    Alternatives? GFTOW…Move on.

    From the Prophet:
    “So let me tell you about this guy who…” Sssshhhh… be quiet, socially awkward attention whore penguin. Did you know you have funny looking feet? What’s that? Still blabbering about this other guy? Thanks for the medical update on the condition of your vagina. So hot, so attractive. No wonder you’re still single.”

    Whammo…priceless.

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  6. on March 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm Leap of a Beta

    This guy should go spend a month or two with other women. Let time erase part of the friendzone he’s in. Then come back and show homw much you are her master, dont need her, and can lead her in a fun time of depravity

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  7. on March 11, 2013 at 2:58 pm way2beta

    Let’s say she calls or texts you, “Hey, what’s up! I told you I haven’t forgotten about you, my bestest guy friend in the whole world!”

    Reply: “Who is this and where did you get my number?”

    Her: “omg its jane,u forgot me :(”

    Reply: “i told u not to text me if u wont swallow”

    Her: “wtf?”

    Reply: “oh…. jane!,nevermind”

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:01 pm aneroidocean

      this is not that bad if you have that frame or could pull it off, but this guy has a much much different frame or lack thereof.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:57 pm Southern Man

      Thread winner, right there.

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  8. on March 11, 2013 at 3:07 pm Anon

    RAPE!

    is the only way to get out of the friend zone.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 1:33 am guy dudebro

      my wing man is a can of ether.

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    • on March 13, 2013 at 5:18 am gaoxiaen

      It’s rape only if you believe that “no” means no.

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  9. on March 11, 2013 at 3:10 pm JS

    Heartiste,
    I thought I’d share with you something that has made a great difference in my inner game. Game discussions usually simply list a bunch of attitudes or behaviors to mimic without really explaining why these attitudes work or what they have in common.
    Instead, start with the thought that the most attractive man to a women is The Man Who Has Everything (TMWHE). That is, imagine a man who starting with nothing, managed to utterly defeat all of his enemies, take all their property, and now literally has everything, and there is no possible chance he could ever lose it–the ultimate alpha male. Now imagine the attitude of such a man. This is the attitude that most attracts women because it is the attitude of TMWHE, and they are keyed in to detecting and responding to this attitude as normally it would indeed indicate that the man has had such success. The attitude of TMWHE explains why the traits that Game teaches attract women do in fact attract women.
    First of all, having everything, TMWHE obviously is in no way needy or desperate. TMWHE has no need to supplicate. TMWHE is obviously confident in that he has no reason to fear rejection, and doesn’t need to care what anyone thinks about him (after all, what does it matter? He has everything).
    TMWHE doesn’t act bitter, or butthurt.
    All of the RSD concepts such as outcome independence, abundance, self-amusement, clarity of intent, and so on are the attitudes of TMWHE.
    TMWHE finds women’s outbursts amusing. Why should he feel threatened by them or let them affect him at all?
    TMWHE has no need for rationality. Rationality is a tool for achieving your desires, but TMWHE has already achieved all his desires.
    TMWHE is jovial and sociable, motivated by enjoying his bounty and maintaining his emotional abundance.
    TMWHE is a lot of fun to be around.
    TMWHE is NOT an asshole! He has no need to belittle, or be cruel, or put down others–including women–as they are no threat to him.
    TMWHE has little time for other people’s hang ups. When dealing with difficult people TMWHE will mostly just feel exasperation at having to deal with such a person, quickly dismiss them as a minor irritant, and look to getting back to an enjoyable mood.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 7:42 pm gunslingergregi

      Instead, start with the thought that the most attractive man to a women is The Man Who Has Everything (TMWHE””””””””””’

      yea nice post or the man who has done everything too
      but yea allready got someone i know loves me so that kind of helps in dealing with chcks too

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 9:18 am Man Reader

      comment of the decade right here

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  10. on March 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm lzllzozlzozozzlzllzzz

    Here’s what works for da gbfm every time.

    “let’s compromise. I’ll stay in the friend zone, but my lostas cockas need out.”

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  11. on March 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm TLM

    You could have saved yourself the time and just posted a Duckie (Jon Cryer from Pretty in Pink) montage. It’s a shining example of what never to do when pursuing a chick. And John Hughes got that ending right, Duckie got over his oneitis and moved on. In real life, James Spayder would have been banging Ringwald’s character and not that pussy Andrew McCarthy.

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  12. on March 11, 2013 at 3:48 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

    “I. *Firmly*. Believe. That. I. Am. The. Motherfuckin’. Prize!”

    Repeat this affirmation daily and you’ll reap the benefits of your higher status.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 5:59 pm Zombie Shane

      “I. *Firmly*. Believe. That. I. Am. The. Motherfuckin’. Prize!”

      Real mean don’t believe.

      Real men simply ARE.

      Indeed, look what happens to your sentence if you exchange the verb “to firmly believe” for the verb “to be”:

      The. Motherfuckin’. Prize!”

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 8:39 pm Zombie Shane

        “Real mean” = Real men

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        Nice Freudian slip, bro.

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  13. on March 11, 2013 at 3:56 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    OK, real question, not trolling: If you never tell your friend that you’re interested, how the hell is she supposed to know?

    [CH: A kiss, a hand on the thigh, a twinkle in the eye, a suggestive remark. Do you think James Bond ever told his lady lovers “Hey, I just want you to know that I really like you” before he seduced them?]

    I’ve had two friends unfriendzone themselves with me successfully, and in both cases, I had absolutely no idea they’d been interested all along. None. Zero.

    [Some betas are very good at suppressing their mating instincts.]

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:05 pm aneroidocean

      Those friends were either never in your Frensone, or they told you in ways that were not direct, With body language, through social proof, etc., etc. If this guy were your friend, there is not a chance in the world that you would f*ck him with his complete lack of frame/calibration.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm q

      ‘If you never tell your friend that you’re interested, how the hell is she supposed to know?’

      It’s because single men can’t be (close) friends with women.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm kolo

      holding an amused smile and steady eye contact while you have a conversation where you are talking to her in one of your slower, deeper voices. it doesn’t matter what you talk about, the things that are communicated to women are not in the words and if you think throughout your time with her ‘i will be fucking you later’ – let your actions unashamedly reflect that message and she will get it

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:20 pm Vince

      She should know when my tongue is in her mouth or my hand down her pants…

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      [Some betas are very good at suppressing their mating instincts.]

      Follow-up real question: Why?

      [CH: Fear.]

      Why on earth would they do that? If you meet someone and you like her, why not just make that clear right off the bat, rather than acting like all you want to do with her is smoke bowls and play Tekken? (Even if she does happen to be awesome at Tekken.)

      [Betas would rather nourish hopefulness than risk rejection.]

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 4:52 pm man

        Because the girl will immediately, literally be repulsed by being told that, every single time. No exceptions.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:04 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Thank you for your replies, CH. Very illuminating.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:22 pm q

        ‘[CH: Fear.]’

        I’m also very good at that. That’s the main reason why I’m still single. I wish I had more courage with men but I’m always too shy so nothing ever happens 😦

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:34 pm q

        shit, i guess i’m whoring for attention again …

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm Anonymous

        “Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
        I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
        I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

        I do not think that they will sing to me.”

        Which is the fluffy way of saying what CH stated… fear of rejection.

        Women have LMR. Men have Approach Anxiety, even with those they know. They are both basically the same – there is a moment when sh¡t gets real. Being able to handle that is what makes a successful person.

        ∞

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm itsme

      rd,

      what the others said, and also the fact that you’re a high-t female may mean that you’re not as good at picking up on subcommunications as more typical females are.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Hmm, you may be right on that point, itsme.

        (Although, to nitpick, I’m not really “high-T.” My hormone levels are actually quite normal. I got the burst of T as a fetus. But there’s no question that it masculinized me.)

        The other part of the problem for me, I think, is that the LDR thing means that my face is not attractive in a conventionally feminine way…and I’ve known that all my life. Therefore, my first assumption when I meet a man isn’t going to be, “I’m hot, of course he wants me.”

        So, those of you in the friendzone, consider this: She may not know you want out of it…

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:18 pm Vince

        To RD: Are you cute? Send a pic and we’ll do a would you bang her poll. 😀

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:35 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        A kind offer, but it wouldn’t be wise for me to do that. I wouldn’t be surprised if I had a colleague or contact or two who reads here, given how male-dominated my industry is.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:56 am Wrecked 'Em

        Oh god, not another helicopter pilot…

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 9:32 am RappaccinisDaughter

        No, I’ve only ever flown little biplanes, and that was a long time ago.
        I must have missed the helicopter pilot story. Do tell!

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 6:03 pm Lara

        Good clarification. I have a LDR finger ratio, also, but I feel as if I have the same hormones as other women. You’re probably the same way.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 9:30 am RappaccinisDaughter

        My doctor actually insisted on testing my hormone levels before he’d agree to sterilize me. (Many doctors are very leery of sterilizing nulliparous women.) He was concerned that I might have high T, and that this might be the reason I was requesting Essure. Nope; they’re well within normal range. Yours probably are too, as long as you’re not growing facial hair and stuff…

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 10:12 am Vince

        How old were you when you got fixed? Easier for raw dogging?

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 10:28 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I would prefer not to reveal my age. Let’s just say I’m younger than the age most doctors insist upon with women. (Interestingly, many doctors have no problems at all with performing vasectomies on men as young as 22, even if they have no children. My theory is that it’s more socially accepted for men to decide they don’t want kids.)

        Raw dogging? That’s not exactly how I would have put it, but I suppose it’s accurate enough. Although I do insist on seeing a clear, recent STD panel before I let the wrapper come off.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 9:14 am cynthia

      In a very real way, if there’s a (beta) guy who’s hanging around and you’re not fat/ugly/horrible, he’s probably interested. The only exception I’ve noticed to this is when you’ve managed to make yourself look like one of the guys, and they lose interest because they don’t see you as a woman anymore (story of my college years).

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm Mikediver

        I call bogus on that. When I tried to get a vasectomy at age 42, with 6 kids, a couple of years after the death of my wife, the doctor refused unless I could have a female partner that would agree to the surgery. I went and got it elsewhere.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm cynthia

        What does that have to do with what I said? That’s entirely different.

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  14. on March 11, 2013 at 3:57 pm taterearl

    “When she does decide to talk how do I react?”

    The first rule of getting out of the beta zone is that you don’t react. As a man you only deal in action. The best defense is a good offense.

    When you decide to talk to her…let her worry about how she’ll react.

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  15. on March 11, 2013 at 4:02 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    …when they say LJBF, they mean LJBBFF. take note.

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  16. on March 11, 2013 at 4:04 pm Charlie

    Studies have shown that girls have no attraction to the friendzoned ones even though the guys think the girls do!

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  17. on March 11, 2013 at 4:23 pm JonBrom

    I am still trying to figure out how a guy can have “feelings” for an obviously uncaring bitch.

    Itchy crotch type feelings, maybe, but she clearly doesn’t merit more than that.

    Grow a pair, man.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm logicwontgetmelaid

      It’s a fantasy. The beta projects all his disney love onto her, never knowing she’s just a low value, vapid whore just like all the other ones. But this girl talked to him a few times, so she’s DIFFERENT in his mind, and whatever she’s lacking, he makes up.

      Been there, done that.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 7:33 pm Unending Improvement

        Basically, it’s like a “Manic Pixie Dream Girl*”, only even more of a fantasy.

        *http://therawness.com/manic-pixie-dream-girls-and-the-codependents-who-love-them/

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:21 am JonBrom

        Yeah, most of us have been there…In my case I finally realized, after the inevitable hatchet in the groin, that I was merely projecting my own virtues and ideals into her. The reality was she didn’t share any of them.

        What I was in love with was my own reflection.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:26 pm Zombie Shane

        What I was in love with was my own reflection.

        There is another version of this which is very real, however: Chicks who are only fun when they’re drunk.

        I can think of at least four or five chicks I’ve known who, after a few glasses of wine, or a few cocktails, were an absolute blast to be around, but who, when sober, had personalities which were somewhere between dishrag-boring and femcunt-wicked-witch-of-the-west-pure-unadulterated-evil.

        It’s particularly bad with the grad-students/med-students/untenured-professorette chicks in the college towns: Get a little booze in ’em on a Saturday night, and they’re all Kate Upton/Jenny McCarthy, and you’re thinking to yourself, “Hey, I might could get serious with this bitch,” but then the next morning, they sober up, and suddenly they’re acting like something more akin to a Hillary Clinton or a Janet Napolitano, and your ass is just standing there in her kitchen, asking yourself, “What the FUCK* was I thinking last night?!? Get me the hell outta here!”

        *No pun intended.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 2:56 pm Zombie Shane

        It’s particularly bad with the grad-students/med-students/untenured-professorette chicks in the college towns

        It’s probably the same way [if not worse] with the law student chicks, but I came from more of a STEM background, so I never crossed paths with many of the budding young lawyerettes.

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  18. on March 11, 2013 at 4:25 pm LS

    “When she does decide to talk how do I react?”

    Is she coming to you for solutions or are you a sounding board?

    Guys offer solutions.

    If she just wants to vent, tell her to go to her girlfriends, shrink or priest.

    Be the Guy. And tell her you’re the Guy, not her Gay Bestest Friend.

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  19. on March 11, 2013 at 4:44 pm Nomennovum

    If you are in the friend zone, it is vitally important for your self-respect to recgonize it, stop your puppy-dog love, and get the fuck out. You get out by going radio silent. If she calls you, be friendly but commit to no more meetings with her. Tell her you found the “one” or something. Anything. Just be a man, cut it off, and write her off. It doesn’t hurt that much and your balls will thank you.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm V

      Orbiting the friend zone with ‘feelings’ is akin to voluntary castration. What would a man with options do? Use them. What would a man without options do? Here’s my balls, I don’t need them so I want you to have them.

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  20. on March 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm Vajbooger

    Wow, post hits close to home. CH is right to a “T” on this one. I finally got done and over my “friend” onenitis fiasco. She now is currently a 29yo SWPL with a nice slim physique about a sz. 4-6, taut ass, and Kate Upton esque chi chis. The worst part was she was playing ingenue and manipulating me emotionally right until I told her hey lets shit or get off the pot with this whole facade. Of course that followed up with radio silence on her part and the whole pity and subtle disdain too boot. She also proceeded to IOI’s like nuzzling on my neck, hugs, and yes even not so subtle crotch rubbings and bedroom eyes…..all for NOT. No butthurtedness here, I’m doing just fine currently with some sexual chocolate. I’m her ” white massah”, her words exactly, and she’s a shaply feminine 7 with a killer mocha complextion. Thank the good lord my brother did me a solid and showed me this holy mecca of a site about 3 years ago or I totally would be up LowerBetaShitCreek with a doubleheaded dildo for a paddle. A great aside to this is I’m currently taking ms. onenitis to small claims court. Its really a rather insignifigant matter, I co-signed on her stupid Kia Soul, you know the one with the hamsters bopping their stupid heads up and down and told her I would do it only so that she could afford her downpayment of 1500 instead of the 4500 she would have had to fork over. Well I told her a year was the agreed timeframe and cut-off and being the ungrateful bitch she is, she’s poo-pooed on my terms saying their is absolutely no one else who can co-sign for her since her mom ruined her credit, both BPD broads to a T. Bottom line is I fucked up royally in this situation. Thankfully she has made all the payments but her blatant disregard and disrespect will end with her having to fork over some beta bux my way. Thanks for the timely post CH and although I do feel punked by the scheming biatch at least the hindsight is bittersweet.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 5:29 pm itsme

      cosigning a car loan for a oneitis…..

      thread winner!

      i wonder how many times she got railed in that car. ‘alpha fucks and beta bucks’ and all that.

      but now you know. and knowing is half the battle.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 7:34 pm Unending Improvement

        Shit, I dodged a bullet on that one, although shit I should have known better, I frequented this site for a long time by then.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 8:20 pm gunslingergregi

      She also proceeded to IOI’s like nuzzling on my neck, hugs, and yes even not so subtle crotch rubbings and bedroom eyes…..all for NOT. ””””””’

      reality is you shoulf of been able to fuck her if that was your goal why didn’t you?

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 9:44 pm Mark

        You waited too long to make a move. Or she just used you for the car.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 9:36 am RappaccinisDaughter

      Your nickname is awesome. I am going to be calling my friends “vagbooger” all day.

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  21. on March 11, 2013 at 5:18 pm Marky Mark

    If a girl friendzones you just hang out with her sometimes to use for social proof to get other girls. Problem solved

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 5:31 pm The Karamazov Idea

      Actually, I’d say that’s a bad idea. If she’s really friendzoning you, the second you take her in public she’ll begin IODing you until you look like a leper who wandered in from the desert to all of the ladies around you.

      She will IOD because she’s nonverbally (and sometimes verbally) saying “I’m not with stupid.” How’s she supposed to find an alpha pogo-stick while she’s handcuffed to her boring bond-servant?

      Other ladies will see her hips pointed away from you, her glances in every direction but yours, her impatient pout, her glare at her phone or watch, and her physical resilience to your touch and know all they need to about the guy she’s with.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 5:35 pm Marky Mark

        Sounds more like she’s disrespecting you… a girl can want to be just friends but still respect you and flirt with you occassionally.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 6:28 pm Vajbooger

        Most def. But she definitely has underlying hidden issues and from what I hear a bad Xanny problem so good riddance. She’s getting her jollies from this im sure but I gotta get my name off that gey assed Kia.

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 7:35 pm Unending Improvement

        Yeah, you def. need to. I was only saved because she managed to get her mother to do it for her.

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  22. on March 11, 2013 at 3:18 pm AlphaBeta

    “I attempted to get out the friendzone and admitted my feelings to my friend”

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 6:13 pm Stuki

      And seriously, who the heck has “feelings” for some broad that yacks about other guys to him??? She’s a whore. Literally. That’s it. Irreversibly and forever. That’s what she did with the one life she was given…

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      • on March 11, 2013 at 7:30 pm Unending Improvement

        Hopefully he learns his lesson once. I had to learn it a few times.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 8:06 am Hugh G. Rection

        The worst kind of whore actually, the one that bangs every other guy.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm gunslingergregi

      lol reminds me of when i was getting off this boat in the ocean onto a bamboo pier and almost did a full split holding my wife with one hand and she was sideways cause boat pulled away slowly pulled boat back into pier and kept her from going in water hot

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  23. on March 11, 2013 at 6:09 pm Odysseus

    The key thing to remember now is to never get into the friendzone ever again. Women have male friends to do favors for them. Spare your free time for yourself.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 6:32 pm Vajbooger

      Done and done, i’ve been concentrating on more winning endevours. Foreign language being the number 1 thing and just more reading. She’s an aging man eater, I just wanted to tap it but hell I’m good now and she probably has the herps, not hating but with that body I know she has dudes drooling and she plays her part oh so well… for the right cockas.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 8:13 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      What if you really like her as a friend?

      Hamster alert: I have a lot of male friends.

      Some of them do, indeed, do favors for me. But I do favors for them, too. Help them move, hook them up with a cash loan when they’re short on rent, vouch for them as an employment reference. I’m very careful not to let it get one-sided.

      I think it’s possible for men and women to be friends. I want it to be. Some of you guys are pretty cool.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 2:22 pm Unending Improvement

        If a guy really is friends with a girl, that girl better be helping them get girls.

        Otherwise, no.

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 5:32 am gaoxiaen

        I’m friends with a couple ex-girlfriends and some girls that I’ve friendzoned for various reasons (co-workers, married, etc…). You just have to say no a few times (even if they rub your cock) and you have pleasant and attractive company and an unwitting wingman. Besides, if they ask, they pay. And they still get jealous.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 4:50 pm Vajbooger

        I did like her as a friend. Silly gay me basically was walking a fine line between good friends and wanting to constantly mount her. I had on two occassions in the past pre-redpill cut off all contact and went about my business. The last time we hadn’t had contact for a couple of years she basically used a mutual male friend as a decoy and had him invite me over to his place and lo and behold she is there when i showed up and all over me hugging, kissing, and laughing up a storm. She is most definitely Ms. Plausible Deniable Ingenue She intrinsically knows this, plays good friend/damsel in distress while coyly sending IOI’s all the while insisting she is one of the boys. We had a good friendship….if she wouldn’t had muddled the waters and shat on platonic boundaries. She definitely was cut from the same self-absorbed, self indulgant cloth as uber-whore extraordinare Marilyn Monroe.

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 5:12 am kolo

        ‘really like her as a friend’is girl speak for ‘really want to fuck her’

        a male-female friendship is a delicate thing, the more you want to fuck her or she wants to fuck you, the more likely something will break.

        i do think that balancing the urge to fuck with the good things you get out of a friendship can be mutually beneficial as there are some non-sexual things that men and women can offer each other, but it stands a much better chance of working if you have a clean slate with each other.

        women have a much easier time of keeping a guy as a friend that they don’t want to fuck because they can mentally put him in a provider role, if a guy wants to fuck, he will be mentally torturing himself with the forbidden fruit and the pay-off of this type of friendship should not be worth the torment that goes with it.

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  24. on March 11, 2013 at 6:57 pm Mr. C

    “Many men can tolerate only so much denial of their sexual needs by oblivious girls using them for emotional bonding before the breaking point is reached whereupon the man foolishly decides bracing candor is an effective course of action to turn that girl buddy into a passionate lover.”

    “Emotional bonding” …. sometimes.

    “Emotional tampon” ….. nearly always.

    Does a woman stick an already fully soaked tampon back in her twat?
    No; unless she has run out of all other options in which case her value to any sane man or man even with marginal options would still be close to zero.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm gunslingergregi

      Does a woman stick an already fully soaked tampon back in her twat?
      No; unless she has run out of all other options in which case her value to any sane man or man even with marginal options would still be close to zero.”””””””
      dam that was graphic lol

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 am gaoxiaen

        It’s really a bad situation if there’s no toilet paper.

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  25. on March 11, 2013 at 7:30 pm gunslingergregi

    i asked about the dude that normally orbits the chick at club i was “hanging” out with and she said she kicked him out the house
    dude was living in the house in the friend zone
    always around her
    she said all he wanted was in her pants like he finally tried to get in them and got kicked out house lolzzzzzzzzzz
    pretty extreme orbiting moving in the house to better kiss ass lol and still not getting the ass
    he might of got away with no rent though so i mean maybe not all bad
    even said he had a little dick dam
    i’m like i got a little dick
    she said no you don’t
    emphatic
    guess she dreaming about my lotsa cockas
    just because a bitch tats my name on her and worships me don’t mean i got a big dick
    confidense even makes your dick seem bigger yo
    hahahahhahahahahha

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm gunslingergregi

      funny part about the chick is she could never be my girlfriend not hot enough yet she has more than one orbiter and a boyfriend and a girlfriend lol

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  26. on March 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm anotheronetakesthepill

    So easy to read. And seems easy to put into practice when you are not dating/truly interested in anyone.
    But once you become interested, somehow tables always turn and even if you deep inside know all of this, there comes a point when maintaining amused mastery becomes harder and harder. And then back to the betatude and her control of the relationship.

    But hey, I’m gonna achieve this kind of inner game and amused mastery no matter what!

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm Unending Improvement

      If you’re getting feelings, you need to do everything in your power to cut the bitch outta ur life.

      It’s the only way.

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  27. on March 11, 2013 at 8:05 pm Mark Minter

    Ok, If you haven’t gotten a clue from the 50,000 posts of this topic, then let me add the results of a study.

    “Changes in Women’s Mate Preferences Across the Ovulatory Cycle” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 2007, Vol. 92, No. 1, 151–163.

    Chart of the Findings

    A=Trait, positive values reflect men’s attractiveness (negative values were real fucking bad). This is how women rated the importance of the trait in determining partner quality.

    B=Trait-Mating Context interactions, positive values reflect men’s greater attractiveness in the short-term mating context. (DTF)

    C=Trait-Mating Context-Conception Risk interactions, positive values reflect men’s greater attractiveness in the short-term mating context among women high in conception risk (ovulating and DTF).

    D=Trait-Conception Risk interactions, positive values reflect men’s greater attractiveness among women high in conception risk (Ovulating and “I can fix him as a long term mate”)

    Trait A B C D
    ——————– —— —– —– —–
    Physically attractive 38.09 7.22 2.15 0.26

    Muscular 28.82 7.33 2.69 0.40

    Intelligent 1.77 -14.43 – 0.14 – 0.79

    Good father 6.30 10.98 -0.25 0.00

    Confrontative 14.77 11.16 3.07 1.11

    Socially respected 29.00 0.29 2.46 -0.31

    Faithful -11.54 -15.62 -2.65 -0.92

    Arrogant 17.72 12.45 3.06 -0.67

    Warm 0.45 -13.89 -1.38 0.34

    Financially successful 4.32 12.99 .06 – 0.49

    Notice here first that the women couldn’t give a shit about “Faithful” in the mating context. The study said in the short term, they are actually more attracted to “unfaithful”.

    In the columns B,C,D the more positive the value, the higher it rated in the short term mating choices, the DTF values.

    Th column B was how they view the trait as short term mating trait.

    The column C was short-term mating choices specified when the women were actually ovulating.

    D is the overall value of the trait, both short and long term context when they were ovulating.

    So note some conclusions, things we have come to accept in Red Pill.

    While Physically attractive rated high by women as a trait, both muscles and “Socially Respected” (male status hierarchy, RockBandDrummer), when she was ovulating.

    And remarkably, “Confrontational” was rated higher than all traits, only slightly higher than “Arrogant”. And both arrogant and confrontational were both highly valued short term traits, again higher than looks and muscles.

    And notice that muscles ranked lower as a trait than looks, muscles ranked higher than looks as a short term trait, and far higher than looks while ovulating.

    Notice also that as an overall trait, “Financially successful” ranked fairly low, but specified as a highly desired trait in the short term context. But when actually ovulating, women couldn’t give a shit about it.

    Lastly, while intelligence might be considered as a positive trait in provisioning and a desirable trait to pass to children, women could care less about it both the short term and while ovulating, only “Faithful” and “Warm” came close to being the least desirable traits that women desired in short term and while ovulating.

    So what are the take aways from this?

    Pre-selection rules with women. They would rather steal a taken man.

    It is better to be a muscular asshole than good looking.

    Nice, trustworthy guys are pussies that get no pussy, friend zoned motherfucker.

    She fucks status when she is ovulating.

    It is stupid to be smart with a woman. Like the song says “I like ’em big and stupid”.

    So a big, stupid, asshole that is cheating on his partner wins over anything else when she is ovulating and wants to get fucked, even though she is a little keen on the cheating attribute in a long term relationship.

    And a swell, nice, fuzzy, warm, trustworthy, smart beta is going to get the shit end of the friendzone stick.

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  28. on March 11, 2013 at 8:33 pm JoeyJoeJOejrshabadoo

    Its important that the teasing is fun-spirited.

    Otherwise she can interpret it as you “being mean” because she rejected you. Not a hard stretch for her to make.

    Teasing is really an art form. The smirk shouldn’t leave your face.

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  29. on March 11, 2013 at 8:36 pm Ace Haley

    I’m a big fan of just ignoring them. Call it butthurt or whatever

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 10:52 pm Anonymous

      Agreed, I do that too and they always call back. I guess it ties well with lazy cad game as well

      We should have a different genre of game, like the laconic/do-nothing/lazy game

      the point is to do the bare minimum in the relationship and the interactions and reap the maximum benefits as possible

      It really goes well with me because most of the time, I dont get laid coz I said something beta and I blew it, the more things you say the more likely you are gonna say something stupid apparently

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 11:57 pm Fau

      I second this.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 2:26 pm Unending Improvement

      I never consider it being butthurt. If you do the “confess your feelings”, you’re already butthurt

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  30. on March 11, 2013 at 9:03 pm gunslingergregi

    Do you see, reader? Have you been darkly enlightened? Then go forth, and recreate. And return here when you have something uplifting to tell us all.”””””””””””””””

    chick asked me permission to stay the night with me
    asked me if it was ok with me for her to sleep here
    i granted her the right to be with the prize for a night he he he
    then this afternoon when we got up
    she called a dude to come pick her up and go get her car that was totalled out of the towing place had him jump through hoops to see what place it was at found out where it was at told him to bring the loot to get it out then told him bring cigs then kept adding to list lol
    get the big hug when she leaves get the thank you for everything and let her know whenever i want to hang out
    win win on that one he he he

    it was freaky though at some house chicks coming out and hugging her through my window including the hot blonde i saw she got power anyway and i guess chicks with power kind of turn me on

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 10:10 pm gunslingergregi

      she texted me thanks for not letting go

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  31. on March 11, 2013 at 9:04 pm Unending Improvement

    Shit, really though the best thing is once you get in, fall of the face of the earth as far as she is concerned. If you don’t break off contact with her, you might as well cut off your balls and hand them to her.

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  32. on March 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm gunslingergregi

    You are amused by women’s hyperbolic drama when you know what uneventful lives they really lead. You reply, “Wow, you’re weird. Thinking about me the whole time?”

    “Or is there an alternative?”

    You are the friend, and she is in your friendzone. You are the alpha male, and she is a contestant for a slot in your harem. You are the doer, the creator, the lover, and she is the appreciator of your masculine vitality, the very vitality that women everywhere secretly envy and wish for themselves. That means, she exists to entertain you. She will enjoy your time when you have time to spare. She is your toy, not the other way around.
    ”””””””””””””””

    he he he

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 1:49 am hd

      What if the chick plays that game better than you do?

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 1:58 am gunslingergregi

        they lose

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      • on May 2, 2013 at 6:39 am gunslingergregi

        or maybe they just know how to keep it exciting

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  33. on March 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm Anonymous

    Chris Brown’s relationship advise:

    “Every guy in this building has said one thing to their female. If you’re not an insecure n***a and you let her have fun with her friends, I applaud you. You gotta say that one thing to her and I made this shit up, [sings] don’t make me have to tell you again, that that’s my pussy baby! It’s mine babe, babe, mine. Don’t make me have to tell you again, that that’s my pussy, baby. It’s mine, girl, it’s mine, girl, it’s mine. … so you better not give it away! So every person in this motherfucking building, if you got a bad bitch you better say that shit to her, or she might fuck another n***a.”

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  34. on March 11, 2013 at 9:59 pm gunslingergregi

    chick whats up
    me trying to solve the meaning of life
    chick nice

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  35. on March 11, 2013 at 10:20 pm bangbang

    I always hear that you should change the subject when other guys are brought up by girls that have friendzoned you.. what about in casual relationships? Should you let her vent about interactions with (guys she considers) potential/backup prospects, or kill the topic?

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 10:34 pm qld654

      no, emcourage her hamster, sugest things that leave no trace of insecurity on your part. e.g. her: i wonder if he likes me/loves me/wants me
      you: a morning bj might clear any doubts. :smirk:

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  36. on March 11, 2013 at 10:54 pm DirkJohanson

    If you ever get oneitis again, think about these shots of porn stars before and after they get made up. http://tinyurl.com/bk5zqf8

    I don’t think I can ever look at – let alone star in – porn again. Ron Jeremy is too good-looking for most of these chicks.

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    • on March 13, 2013 at 5:29 am gunslingergregi

      thats not as bad as the age progression as seen on about though

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  37. on March 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm walawala

    A few strange things happen. If you give it time, ignore and then get on with things, a few girls who either dispised you or shoved you into their friendzone come back.

    I”m not facing a position where 2 girls in my social circle are suddenly giving major IOI’s and I’m gaming them hard….but with indifference… just treating them like bratty kids.

    The thing I’m getting is men think logically…women think emotionally.

    Men will think….if i’m not milking this cow…if I’m not gaming, talking, banging etc this girl she’s forgotten about me.

    But this is a logical approach.

    If you take a step back and consider yourself the prize, the reality is much different.

    Very often, these girls are harbouring desires, keeping a flame etc.

    How often have girls been pining away for some guy they met a year ago? Be that guy they’re pining away for by pulling away.

    It requires a real discipline and a real change of mindset. That’s why the “Abundance” MINDSET is so important.

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm gunslingergregi

      yea i think so cause this chick i ain’t seen in 5 months or so was really really really down
      her friend in room she watching her suck my dick and she just in a trance
      said god dam you going to work on that dick
      was putting mind body and soul into it was a work of art
      why ya think she got to stay he he he

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  38. on March 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm smoothreentry

    I’m devoting an entire week of posts to the friend zone topic at the end of the month. I agree with 85% of what the author says. Obviously, if you are in to her, you can’t just have no emotions towards her. I agree that this is the ideal tactic, but in reality you can’t turned emotions off like mr. Data can.

    To punish her you rechannel your angst into playing the game and winning. She has to 100% know you have fortitude to move on. You need to get spinning plates fast!

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  39. on March 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm gunslingergregi

    chick hey its tessa wats up babycakes
    one luv
    me say what did i ever see you
    “got to say that shit had me rolling laughng i don’t why so funny
    i know its been said but i really don’t know who the fuck this is”
    chick yea at da club
    me which one are you
    chick tess from club
    me you gave me a ride home?
    hahhaahah
    really don’t know
    he he he

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 11:58 pm gunslingergregi

      me describe yourself
      no response thinking it wasen’t her he he he

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  40. on March 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm unintelligible belligerent

    i got out of the friendzone once. i had brought the girl (solid 9) home and made out with her once but no poon tang, and then made my further interest embarrassingly clear, at which point her interest in me totally vanished. nnnOOOOOOO i screamed as i descended into the foetid depths of the friendzone !

    this is what piqued my interest in ‘game’. i decided i would give it a whirl, see if i could dig my way out of the friendzone by never contacting her and completely ignoring her at all times except when i ran into her out and about, at which time i would be a complete smartass jerk.

    took me a year. but i got her home again and sealed the deal. a testament to the power of game !

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm feministx

      It amazes me how men will indeed lurk for years waiting for their chance to pounce.

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 6:57 am Vajbooger

        I’d pounce on that booty of yours FemX, it needs 10 coats of skeet stat!

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 12:40 am Creo

      Nice one..nice to know it worked. That confirms my theory that if you are ever stupid enough to get in the LJBF zone best to end relations for a good length of time in a friendly way then months later emerge again as the new improved alpha male. Its not like shes going to forget about you..and/or you have oneitis.
      Eg.
      Her: Hey mon ami..howz my amigo doing?! Wanna hang out soon!?
      Me: would love to but i just started seeing someone..talk later ok?.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 2:05 am anonYmous

      i got out of the friend zone with 3 chicks in the same week. 2 were seeing someone at the same time. my dad passed away. that was the red pill moment for me where i stopped giving a fuck about women. it pissed me when i was in the grieving process that women would throw themselves at me to the point other ppl would say something to me… and the ten years previous it would take a Miracle for me to get semi-quality puss.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 2:16 am gunslingergregi

        well ya could look at it as they were trying to be there for you bro
        in your moment of need
        they ain’t all bad
        most horror stories just because they have absolute power gven to them under the law

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  41. on March 11, 2013 at 11:22 pm gunslingergregi

    oh ok she pregnant and having my baby no wonder

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    • on March 11, 2013 at 11:27 pm gunslingergregi

      kidding this time

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  42. on March 11, 2013 at 11:45 pm gunslingergregi

    lol looking at pics phone a nice looking black chick with her arm around me i don’t remember ok maybe i did
    oh yea ok she asked to take a picture with me had her friend take one then i gave friend my phone to take one
    i may have to drink more often i had a good night

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  43. on March 12, 2013 at 12:03 am Pete

    Getting out of the friend-zone is never worth the energy nor the time. It’s a losing investment.

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  44. on March 12, 2013 at 1:25 am gunslingergregi

    the oneitis is dissapating a little bit anyway not feeling as wierd being with chicks allthough still there a bit

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  45. on March 12, 2013 at 2:16 am Anonymous

    Sssshhhh… be quiet, socially awkward attention whore penguin.

    Penguin?!? I imagined a guy thinking that in his head. That was funny. I laughed. 😀

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  46. on March 12, 2013 at 2:35 am walawala

    How to Game a girl…Rock star style…

    Check out the profile of Led Zep singer Robert Plant at 3:22

    Interviewer: Where did the swagger, where did the virility on stage come from?

    Robert Plant: Pause.. I don’t understand you.

    Interviewer: Gina tingles obvious: “Yes you do!”

    Robert Plant, looks to fellow musician:( His wing for a DHV) What is the answer to that question?

    Watch it! I t hink there could be a whole post on this exchange alone…

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 4:08 am qld654

      link pls

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm Canadian Friend

        Video will not play…

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  47. on March 12, 2013 at 3:04 am skilaki

    I was in the friendzone with a particular woman for a long time. For three weeks I would call her (she never answered-always went straight to voice mail) to suggest that the two of us should get together. She never called me back those three weeks. Finally the following week I called her (again on voice mail) to basically call her out on her behavior and that I was ditching her as a friend. A few minutes later, she calls me back (which I ignored), then texts me with all sorts of excuses of not responding (I did not bother to respond), then later that night emails me with the same excuses (again I did not bother to respond), then called me the next day (which I ignored as well). After that, I have not heard from her.

    That was over a year ago. Had this happened five years ago, I probably would have immediately responded to keep the friendship going in the hopes that something would have happened.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm Man Reader

      So you were butthurt and never did have sex with her? Fail.

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  48. on March 12, 2013 at 3:52 am gunslingergregi

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/03/07/hookinguprealities/is-no-strings-attached-sex-an-oxymoron/comment-page-4/#comments
    gunslingergregi March 12, 2013 at 3:33 am

    Bells March 8, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    A lot of women can do fine by themselves but have trouble with someone else. I could have like 5 in an hour by myself (which I’ve done), but still can’t get anywhere with a guy during the act itself.

    5 in an hour? Wow, I really have to practice some more!
    ””””””””

    me
    when they say multiple orgasms for woman i think they mean at the same time like one after the other
    i mean a guy can do multiple like that oragasm refractory orgasm refractory orgasm refractory
    and not have to be by himself either
    had like 5 orgasms in 5 hours or so one time and it was all physical stimulation woman jacking me off my penis was deformed for days afterward as there was no refracton period
    done 6 times in a day with having sex regularly
    but yea i have actually experienced multiple orgasms one after the other and i am a dude but no ejaculation came out i kind of like pissed which i had never done before when a chick was giving me a blowjob
    really i think a lot of what gets a chick to be able to have the multiple orgasms is love and the psychological
    i’ll never admit that i can give better orgasms to myself jacking off than a woman i love can it wouldn’t be true
    so if it is true you are probably not with someone you love
    ””””””’
    ”””””””’
    gunslingergregi March 12, 2013 at 3:36 am

    i’ve seen references to porn sex but i don’t get it
    i have never seen people make love in porn
    is that supposed to be good sex lol
    ””””””””’

    hmm yareally was getting no love there dam was getting deleted but hope sitting there talking bout jacking off 5 times in an hour and that is a multiple orgasm
    or the leader of blog talking about the penultimate sex is porn sex
    my god man

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  49. on March 12, 2013 at 5:17 am Johnny Caustic

    Never, never, NEVER attempt to get out the friendzone by “admitting my feelings to my friend.”

    If you must try to get out of the friendzone (often futile no matter what you do), DO NOT VERBALIZE IT. Instead, PHYSICALLY ESCALATE. If she tries to talk about it, verbally deny it even as you are physically escalating. “I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

    How to physically escalate successfully? That would take an essay, which others have already written (cough cough 60 years of challenge cough). Google can help.

    With old friends, though, it’s always a risk.

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  50. on March 12, 2013 at 5:31 am walawala

    Reposting; Check out how the interviewer keeps shit-testing him about “bad boy” image…

    But watch from 3:22….

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 1:52 pm Canadian Friend

      At 15:00 after she asks a question Plant says something quite Alpha

      (paraphrasing) that if she asks another silly question he is going to slap her butt, and that it is probably what she is wishing for ( paraphrasing, he does not say slap her butt but clearly alludes to it )

      her reaction ( nervous laugh as if she was a 13 year old girl ) seems to indicate she does have the gina tingles for him

      Fascinating isn’t it that an old man who looks like a grandpa , who’s face looks like an old baseball glove ( and so must his butt and his penis ) can have that effect on women,

      and that his high status lets him get away with such a comment about slapping her butt…

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 10:35 pm walawala

        She keeps shit-testing him throughout about his “bad boy” days and at one point there is “pre-selection” when she puts him on the spot with the cut-away to some younger hot babe holding a baby and again he deflects.

        I encourage everyone to watch this interview and discuss how Plant displays that “Amused mastery” while the interviewer keeps getting more and more suggestive.

        He says if she asks him that again he’ll have to turn her over his knee (and spank her)…

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  51. on March 12, 2013 at 8:00 am nugganu

    Don’t think I’ve been in the friends zone since my early 20’s, but then by default I am an aloof dick so I guess it makes sense.

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  52. on March 12, 2013 at 8:43 am dannyfrom504

    i’ve only gotten out of the friend zone twice. and both times i did the same thing-

    told her we obviously wanted different things: i wanted a romantic prospect, she wanted some guy to sponge off of. and dropped her quickly. then they both came after me.

    did this on a few chicks, but only 2 came back. at least i was assertive and called them out.

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  53. on March 12, 2013 at 8:57 am JonBrom

    Here’s all you need to know:

    Question: “Can a man be friends with a woman?”

    Only Answer: “Who would want to be?”

    A bit of a variation on Homer Simpson immortal response to Marge’s gentle attempt to educate him about his new (oblivious to Homer, gay) friend:

    Marge: “Homer, I think he prefers the company of men.”

    Homer: “Who doesn’t?”

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 10:30 am Vajbooger

      Haha, good episode, John Waters is a pretty funny gey dude. Hey guys, do you have any suggestions for a civil processor? He is trying to serve her but she is wise to that whole procedure due to other instances I’m certain and will be looking out to avoid taking the summons. He’ll have to outfox the twat for sure so she’ll accept it. Is it completely true that you physically have to touch the paperwork and if not I’m screwed?

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  54. on March 12, 2013 at 9:21 am Donny

    ONly way to go with this is just cut her off. If she’s interested at all she will around. Got to be willing to let her go. As Patrice O’Neal said, don’t be a time ho.

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  55. on March 12, 2013 at 10:47 am YaReally

    GFTOW till you learn to let women know you have a penis from the start.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 11:16 am league of bald headed men

      A crude but truthful way of expressing the main idea of the OP: if you’re in the friendzone so called you were doing it all wrong from the beginning and the best thing you can do is write this female off and exit with dignity intact. Learn lesson and apply next time around, this one ain’t happening.

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 11:36 am YaReally

        I haven’t been friend zoned in years. It’s just not possible. I can be blown-out/rejected, or have sex with her…there’s no middle ground anymore, because my intent is clear from the start.

        Note that intent is not the same as interest. Intent is about demonstrating you’re a sexual guy who’s capable of escalating things but hasn’t decided about her specifically yet. Interest is about choosing her, specifically.

        Where friend zoned guys go wrong is they show no sexual intent, and then they “confess their love” out of the blue which is just showing undeserved interest before she’s earned it and after she views him as asexual and familiar as her little brother.

        GFTOW. Not date, not kiss, not get numbers from…Go FUCK ten other women. Then come back to try this one again, if you even want her at that point (hint: you probably won’t).

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 3:03 pm What

        +1 brotha

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      • on March 12, 2013 at 9:37 pm Harrison

        So what are examples of showing intent vs. showing interest?

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 1:38 am YaReally

        The main differences between Intent (“I want to fuck you”) and Interest (“I want to get to know you as a person and possibly an LTR”) are:

        1) Intent involves a sexual undertone. Interest generally doesn’t. Friend Zoned guys show interest, they don’t show intent, so when they go to show intent later on (“surprise, I have a penis!” game), it’s awkward and weird, like her little brother hitting on her (her little brother has never shown intent either…except in Alabama).

        A guy who exudes sexuality shows intent in everything he does so when he shows interest, it’s after he’s already shown intent…ergo, the sexual “man to woman” nature of their relationship has already been established and it’s not out of the blue. From the very start, her relationship with him is different from her relationship with her little brother.

        Gambler’s rule of how to tell whether you’re showing sexual interest, tension, intent, etc. is “Would you do whatever you’re doing with her, with a guy-friend?” So would you stare him down with bedroom eyes? Would you kino his lower back? Would you get nose-to-nose with him as you make innuendo? No? Then those things show intent. Would you go hit the mall to shop for shit with your bro? Or help him study for a test? Or go on totally asexual platonic dinners to catch up on shit? Probably…so those things don’t show Intent.

        2) Interest is a reward for a girl passing your Intent qualifiers. Friend Zoned guys give their Interest away for anything the girl does, because they build her up as a Disney pedestal princess fantasy in their head so anything she does is magical and wonderful and just by having a pussy she deserves his Interest (plus he’s desperate/needy/etc. so he gives his Interest away desperate for it to be returned).

        A guy who exudes sexuality rewards a girl with his Interest ONLY if she interests him when he expresses his Intent. If she’s too shy or frigid for him, or he qualifies her on personality characteristics or her hobbies or talents or clothing style or what-have-you, or even if she’s too sexual/slutty for his tastes, she doesn’t earn his Interest (unless she gets in line and tries to pass his qualifiers…so the nerdy plain girl gets all dolled up after he tells her he loves done-up girls, the shy quiet girl becomes more out-going, the slutty girl tones down the topless dancing at the bar, etc…then he can show Interest as a reward).

        —

        These are subtle internal nuances but they make a difference. Externally they’re expressed in ways like:

        Shit-test: “You just want to have sex.”

        *Friend Zoning response: “What?? No, I just want to be friends! I’m not that kind of guy! Give me your # and we’ll go shopping together!” (undeserved Interest with no Intent)

        Too Much Interest Too Soon response: “No, no, we can go on a date. What’s your favorite restaraunt? I’ll bring flowers blah blah blah!” (undeserved Interest with a TINY bit of Intent, BUT the Interest is given BEFORE it’s earned)

        Intent response: “No, we can have breakfast together too. 😉 You can cook, right?” (Tons of sexual Intent first…but no Interest yet, she has to qualify. Her response to this demonstration of Intent determines whether he displays Interest or not yet…if not, he can throw out more qualifiers until she passes one so he can show Interest (if he wants an easy fuck he can just lob her easy qualifiers to pass), or he can move on to a different girl who’s more his type)

        —

        Shit-test: “You don’t even remember my name, do you?”

        Friend Zoning: “Of course I do, it’s Sarah! I would never forget your name!!” (undeserved Interest with no Intent)

        Too Much Interest: “Of course I do, it’s Sarah! I never forget the name of a pretty girl. ;)” (undeserved interest with a TINY bit of Intent, but the Interest is given BEFORE it’s earned)

        Intent response: “Of course I do, it’s Sarah. I can’t guarantee I’ll remember it in the morning when we go for breakfast though…unless you’re good in bed. 😉 You’re not a starfish lay, are you?” (even remembering her name (I pretend not to with “of course not, we haven’t even made out yet”), there’s sexual Intent first in the implication that they’ll be having sex…BUT she has to qualify for Interest. Her response to this demonstration of Intent determines whether he displays Interest or not yet)

        —

        It’s important to note that you don’t have to STAY sexual and showing Intent…you just have to demonstrate that you CAN “cross the line” and set the frame that you’re a man and a woman and not two “friends”. Once you’ve shown you can cross the line, you can pull back and build comfort/rapport and run proper solid game…

        It’s the same as kino, you don’t have to go right for a boob grope or leave your hand on her forever once you touch her (a lot of newbies do this, it’s really creepy looking lol), you just touch her a few times casually and confidently, in a way that you wouldn’t touch your guy friends (on her lower back, pull her in for a hug, lead her around by the hand, etc.) and then you can back off and run some verbal game.

        *On a side note, you CAN pull out of a Friend Zone Response with tight game, like some guys will use “let’s be shopping buddies, I swear I’m not trying to have sex with you” just to avoid triggering ASD or mother hens and grab the #, but you have to escalate right away from there (like take your text convo sexual, you don’t actually go on a friendly shopping date, or if you DO you escalate it into a sexual vibe as soon as you meet up like greeting her with a hug but by then you’re fighting an uphill battle that you didn’t need to)…

        Unfortunately, if it’s gone on for weeks/months/years like most cases of one-itis (since the guy is waiting for the girl to give him the green light because he’s a vagina), you’re fucked (or NOT fucked, rather, lol).

        Hope that helps! This is all shit you have to handle from the first “Hello”, which is part of why we recommend GFTOW to one-itis Friend Zone cases, because you’re “her little brother” to that one-itis and you don’t have the game to claw your way out of that…it’s better to just start over with some new chicks, learning to express Intent from the start (ie – like I said, learn to let them know you have a penis), until you understand the difference between being “her little brother” and “a fuckworthy guy”. 🙂

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm Harrison

        Great advice. A question though:

        Does this work in day game? It seems almost dissonant to imply we’re having sex that night and females are good at detecting dissonance.

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      • on March 13, 2013 at 11:55 pm YaReally

        “Does this work in day game?”

        Why wouldn’t it? Do push-up bras work in the day time or do you only get a boner for attractive traits in a female at night?

        Just because you imply something sexual doesn’t mean you’re going to DO it. The point isn’t that you’re actually setting up the logistics of how you’re going to fuck her that night, the point is more to show her that “this topic, of human sexuality and hooking up, that’s supposed to be off-limits in polite conversation and that no beta would touch with a 10-foot pole out of fear that he might offend you and fear of his own sexuality…I’m totally comfortable joking about it and making innuendo about it, because I have a lot of sex, it’s not something scary and amazing to me, it’s natural and fun and I’m thinking of doing it with you, if you’re fun, and I don’t apologize for that.”

        It’ll get you shit-tested more than pretending to be her shopping buddy, but that’s fine since passing shit-tests builds attraction, so that really just helps you in the end, if you can pass the shit-tests.

        In terms of whether it’s possible or not to bang her that night, it just comes down to value. If her favorite rock/movie star walked in and flirted with her and said “I’m only here for one night. We should hang out.”, do you think she’d give a shit about her job or other plans or anything? No, she’d break those to go hang out with him, and she’d fuck him if he escalated. Why? Because he has high value.

        On the flip side the 40yo guy wearing Silicon Valley khakis and a badly fitted blue polo shirt with his work ID card hanging off his belt and a cell phone holster who’s nervously approaching some hot 20yo with his voice shaking and stuttering with “umm…”s and “uhh…”s as he talks, well, that guy’s probably not going to be able to pull it off.

        Expand your reality, be more sexual in the daytime and see exactly what you can get away with. It’ll surprise you. 🙂

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  56. on March 12, 2013 at 10:52 am Nomennovum

    Remember something else about the “friend zone,” boys: Girls don’t have friends. Better stated, they don’t really like their friends. Get out of that relationship and preserve your dignity. All relationships — of any type — with women should be on your terms only.

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  57. on March 12, 2013 at 10:57 am Mark

    I think this is as good a guide out of the friendzone as there is and goes down as a classic: practical and theory combined. Everyone would do well to remember it and pass it to friends, sons, grandsons who have gotten themselves in this position. Damn I wish I would have had exposure to some of this stuff when I was in my late teens/20’s/30’s and those of you who do should be thankful: this stuff has come a long way since David DeAngelo and Ross Jeffries and you guys are lucky. As for me I’m almost thankful that I didn’t get married to this point because I think this stuff is important for managing a relationship and, almost importantly, as guiding a son.

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  58. on March 12, 2013 at 11:56 am Anonymous

    Few posts ago i was thinking “Ups, Heartiste is really slipping down” nothing interesting to read here anymore.

    But this is one is a gem !

    Seriously, responses to beta questions are what this blog is really about :D.

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  59. on March 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm Nicole

    Very happy about the Russian kids. Though I’m not a prohibitionist as far as legality, I think if people decide something isn’t going to fly in their home or their neighborhood, they should do their own enforcement, and have the help of law enforcement to do it. Problem is, an organized, militant populace is not something most governments want.

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  60. on March 12, 2013 at 12:10 pm Jack

    Relating to women AS FRIENDS is a skill of its own (i.e. your buddy’s fiance or something). It still takes amused mastery though. The irony is that guys who get friendzoned aren’t even good at being friends with women.

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  61. on March 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm Jack

    1)reject her friend zone frame

    2)back off enough space that she gets fear of loss

    3)or back off enough space and wait enough time that you can plausibly reassert a new, alpha frame when you talk again.

    if step 2 doesn’t do it, you will usually lose interest in her by the time #3 can be accomplished. Enjoy the newer, hotter girls.

    In all seriousness even ifyou can reverse a friendzoning, I wouldn’t want to be with a girl who once saw me as an icky beta. Hurts the captain/first mate dynamic.

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm What

      its definitely difficult to erase that stigma with girls you’ve been friend zoned with before. #1 is the hardest cause you gotta smack yourself out of that hazy lala-land youre in

      the GFTOW should be the motto of every guy, all the fucking time.

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  62. on March 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm Unending Improvement

    If you’re in the friendzone with a girl, you’re her little brother. It doesn’t matter if you’re older than her, she will never think of you like an older brother. She will never respect you, she will only pity you.

    If she respected you, you could get the pussy, but if she pities you, her legs will be forever closed.

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  63. on March 12, 2013 at 3:34 pm YaReally

    On Kezia Noble, the jist is basically: Gambler (Richard LaRuina) hired her to be a female coach with his company (probably just to draw guys in with her tits), taught her a bunch of shit, they tried to expand (they went on Dragon’s Den together and got burned lol), then it looks like some kind of falling out happened and Gambler ended up homeless (lol, possibly an exaggeration I didn’t follow his story much from there) and Kezia started up her own company using all the shit Gambler’s group taught her…

    So the stuff she teaches IS legit PUA tactics (since it all came FROM a PUA) but her draw is basically just that she’s hot and sultry and guys attend her bootcamps because they’re desperate virgins and get to at least have a pretty girl talk to them and teach them to “kino” and practice eye contact with her and shit. I’d say she knows exactly what she’s doing, milking her looks to build an audience while she has them. I wouldn’t expect guys taking her bootcamp to come out of it with any real skill though.

    No one really respects her as an expert and she’s sure as shit not the type to make any kind of progress with the art of seduction in general as a knowledge-base/skill-set. She’s found a little market of horny guys and she’s milking it while she can to make some bling.

    (this isn’t to TOTALLY shit on her, ’cause it’s not like she’s the only PUA who’s stolen a bunch of shit and gone off to teach their own bootcamps and stuff, the industry is full of that…but that’s her story in general)

    I THINK Gambler has pulled himself back out of the gutter after all that because I’ve seen some recent YouTube stuff of him. The dude’s stuff about “stealth escalation” and creating sexual tension (27min into this video below) is super solid. Sucks that he ultimately got burned.

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  64. on March 12, 2013 at 3:46 pm Ace Haley

    I wonder what’s gonna happen now that girls are getting hip to game. I’ve never been into routines but I know guys who are. There’s stuff they could do 2 years ago that they can’t do now because women have gotten wise to it.

    It could get to a point where everything a man says will sound like manipulation to a woman. Maybe it is already.

    Paying for it *straight up* looks like it’s gonna be the next big thing. No dates, no “game”, nothing. Just everything cut down the basics

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    • on March 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm JoeyJoeJOejrshabadoo

      maybe certain word for word routines will be overused and become fruitless.

      but saying in general women will stop being attracted to “game” is like saying guys will stop being attracted to tits and ass.

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  65. on March 13, 2013 at 8:11 pm bowman

    Wish this was posted around a year ago. Failure #3 is the most important. I was in the friend zone with someone for a long time (or is 10 years not a long time?). She was in a relationship when we met and things didn’t just time themselves right for us to end up together. LOL, that’s what I told myself then. If you’ve known someone more than a few weeks and you’ve never experienced sexual tension with her so real you could almost touch it, then you never will with her. Just forget the fuck about it. If you don’t you’re in quicksand. Be honest and you go deeper. Try to act like you don’t care and you’ll go deeper.

    I ended my last conversation with her saying I didn’t want anything to do with her ever again. I said it as a matter of fact, because it was. Did it sound bitter and butthurt? I didn’t know because I didn’t care. I truly did not even want to fuck her anymore. Desire that which is warm and sweet, not dry and cold. Predictably she texted me months later, but I knew it was the same old plausible-deniability bullshit. No thank you, ma’am. I think I’ll keep my balls where they are.

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  66. on March 15, 2013 at 2:21 am Lotez

    Her: “Hey, what’s up! I told you I haven’t forgotten about you, my bestest guy friend in the whole world!”
    You: “Wow, you’re weird. Thinking about me the whole time?”

    I don’t think this reply would work well because it opens a possibility of her thinking you are being passive-aggressive or trying too hard. A much better approach, imho, is to brake her frame and redirect to something interesting you’ve been doing/ in a process of doing:

    Her: “Hey, what’s up! I told you I haven’t forgotten about you, my bestest guy friend in the whole world!”
    You: “I’m working on an anti-aging project with one of my buddies and probably going to Bali this summer to follow up on all the research we’ve done so far. That, and developing my superpowers so I can take over the world. Never a dull moment.”

    If you can avoid talking about her at any point in the conversation, all the better. And if she asks you more questions, tell her you don’t have time to talk about it right now plus you have signed a confidentiality agreement. Follow it with “I’m in the middle of something right now”. Hang up before she answers.

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  67. on March 15, 2013 at 5:13 am Dr Van Nostrand

    I have hardly any female friends.Only one who is a 5 out of 10.

    All the friends I had wanted me to fuck them at some point or the other.Problem is I realized this in retrospect.I was spectacularly bad at picking up IOIs ,particularly when I imagined myself in the friendzone!They stopped hanging out with me leaving them angry and frustrated.

    Even this 5 wants my cock but it aint happening!

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  68. on March 15, 2013 at 5:18 am Dr Van Nostrand

    CH:[Betas would rather nourish hopefulness than risk rejection.]

    What describes to a T until a few years ago.

    There were chicks who used to practically suck my cock with their eyes and one chick actually asked me to pull her hair said “you would be sexy in bed” and I did NOTHING.

    No use looking like an alpha if your behavior(or rather lack of) is lower beta

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  69. on March 15, 2013 at 11:04 am Louis

    Friendzone question:

    So a really hot girl, probably 9.5 or 10, practically friendzoned me a few years ago. Now she’s around again. Because it had been a while, I figured that since I’d been working on my game, I’d be able to game her like any other chick.

    One problem…dudes are all over. Seriously. So to avoid looking like them, I just stay aloof and distant. This has led to very little conversation, just saying hey when we run into each other.

    But here’s the dilemma: do I just continue to cut her off? Like posters above said, you should pretty much just delete them from your life forever or they’ll slowly poison you. My game made me hopeful I met get her…but just that mere hope has instilled that old beta habit of “wondering”.

    It’s been a few years right? So possibly she’ll see me sexually this time? (that’s what I keep telling myself even though I know this is probably self-destructive and I should just continue to freeze her out).

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