Sometimes the most obvious facts of female nature and human social dynamics elude open discussion for an unusually long time. A reader writes to make a point that qualifies as one of those obvious facts:
Number one sign you’ll have a problem with a girl.
I crossed the rubicon a few years back when I felt I could expect some measure of success with eligible women. It felt great, but I always looked back and tried to identify mistakes so I could do better the next time. That said, even when the same thing happens over and over again, you might not see a trend until your sample size gets so big that the obvious hits you in the head with a brick.
I have a great piece of advice for any man, regarding his casual fling, girlfriend, or wife…she must like you as much, if not more, when she’s drunk than she does when she’s sober.
Some of that is obvious (taking her to a bar and then she goes home with another guy) but others are subtle (such as not getting texts or calls answered between 10pm and 1am on the weekend). Drinking loosens inhibitions and our drunk behavior is more consistent with our true feelings than our sober behavior.
As a matter of fact, you might want to meet all of your girls when they’re drunk, since a drunk girl liking you (which is emotional and more likely to be alpha) is a stronger signal than a sober girl liking you (which is logical and more likely to be beta).
When you get your girl drunk, you’re not doing it because it will make sex easier, you’re doing it because it might make sex harder. It’s a shit test. And if getting her drunk makes sex harder, you’re fucked.
Alcohol is truth serum, and a drunk girl will reveal her true desires faster and more boldly than a sober girl who has mental checkpoints, border guards and lockdown procedures in place to dupe provider beta males about the nature of women’s sexuality that is unleashed in limbic lands just beyond his ken.
In my experience, the reader is correct; drunkenness permits the woman’s id full expression. It skips joyously, drinking deep the fresh air, swinging its unchained fists wildly, exuberant and unstoppable. It would be a mistake to think her drunken id is less discriminating than her sober id. It isn’t. The drunken female id is more discriminating — but less deceptive and obfuscating — than her sober id. When she is sober, her forebrain exerts some sensible control over her animal lusts.
And this applies to relationship dynamics as much as pick-up scenarios at bars. Anyone who’s been in a normal (i.e., non-Mormon) relationship with a woman for more than a couple months has seen her drunk or at least tipsy. When she’s in this liquor-lubed confessional state, you can catch a glimpse of her raw sexuality, stripped of game-playing, calculating coyness and psychological feints with her long-term advantage in mind. What do you see? Does she jump into your arms, mashing her appletini-breath into your face, groping feverishly at your crotch and begging for exquisite deliverance on your godhead?
Or does she act cold and distant through the fog of her inebriation, snipe at you for imaginary infractions, and loudly reminisce about a long-forgotten (you thought) ex-boyfriend? Worse, does she late night text mystery “friends” as she’s pushing your inquisitive hornypaws away from her thigh?
Drunkenness is an emotion-based honesty signal that bypasses logic circuits. Drunkenness reveals women’s desire for alpha males. Sobriety reveals women’s ability to conceal their desire for alpha males. If your drunk girlfriend seems more eager for sex, chances are good your relationship is healthy. She loves you in the way that can’t be faked. If your drunk girlfriend is an insufferable ice queen, chances are good your relationship is heading for the rocks. She subconsciously despises you in the way a bored housewife despises her unsexy husband one week every month.
Why is is better to be viscerally loved than affectionately duped? Because the man who is viscerally desired always has the option to inspire tender long-term focused affection from his lover. The provider beta who is affectionately duped has no option, other than game, to inspire visceral desire in his lover. It’s much easier to guide a woman from alpha male-inspired lust to beta-male inspired serenity than it is to guide her from the opposite direction.
Contra feminist assertions that drunk women are more easily taken advantage of, it’s actually the case that drunk women are easier targets for alpha males, but harder targets for beta males, who, lettuce be cereal, comprise 60% of the male population who aren’t alpha or omega males. As per usual, feminists and their manboob human chastity belts lump in alpha males with beta and omega males and incorrectly assume that the poosy paradise that alpha males enjoy is enjoyed by all men.
So if you can take a drunk girl home and bang her, hold your head proudly high, because you have just been certified a Sexy Alpha Male™ in the only way that matters.

From experience I have to agree with this post entirely, my current lot ltr is heavily into sex but when we have been out having a few drinks together she can barely wait till we get home to tear my clothes of and start blowing me so that I will fuck her really good. As soon as the beej is finished she becomes the most submissive women I have ever fucked, and loves it rough.
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Kindly allow me to quote myself from March 11th at The Chateau:
> “What I was in love with was my own reflection.”
There is another version of this which is very real, however: Chicks who are only fun when they’re drunk.
I can think of at least four or five chicks I’ve known who, after a few glasses of wine, or a few cocktails, were an absolute blast to be around, but who, when sober, had personalities which were somewhere between dishrag-boring and femcunt-wicked-witch-of-the-west-pure-unadulterated-evil.
It’s particularly bad with the grad-students/med-students/untenured-professorette chicks in the college towns: Get a little booze in ’em on a Saturday night, and they’re all Kate Upton/Jenny McCarthy, and you’re thinking to yourself, “Hey, I might could get serious with this bitch,” but then the next morning, they sober up, and suddenly they’re acting like something more akin to a Hillary Clinton or a Janet Napolitano, and your ass is just standing there in her kitchen, asking yourself, “What the FUCK* was I thinking last night?!? Get me the hell outta here!”
*No pun intended.
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In line with Heartiste’s hypothesis in this thread, it could be that an awful lot of femcunt evil is not so much natural female behavior as it is the [artificially] learned behavior which results from a lifetime of indoctrination by the Frankfurt School.
I.e. after a few drinks, these highly-edumakated femcunt chicks will relax a little and be their natural biological selves, but when they sober up afterwards, they suddenly remember that society dictates that they are “supposed” to act more akin to a mulletted hairy-armpitted man-loathing man-neutering bulldyke.
It’s a phenomenon which the Frankfurt School realized very early on [the idea was already present in the work of Marx and Engels]: Namely, that women will always be a society’s weak underbelly, precisely because [by and large] women have no innate sense of morality, and thus women will always do as they are told.
So, realizing this, the Frankfurt School simply went about acquiring a monopoly in the media and the academy, and, as the monopoly was secured, they then set out to re-instruct women in precisely how they wanted women to behave.
It’s also one* reason [as Steve Sailer has gone to such great lengths to document] why married women are much more immune to the propaganda of the Frankfurt School – because they’ve got a husband sitting next to them as they watch television each night who can gently but firmly remind them that everything they’re watching is just a deliberately concocted pack of lies.
*Although I think that there might be other factors at work in Sailer’s Marriage Gap theory – to a certain extent, it just represents a self-selecting statistic which reflects the opinions of those women who are the most likely to fall in love with a man and to want to remain in a stable, loving family environment with him [and the children] for the rest of their lives.
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Add to that the probable fact that beta male behavior only reinforces the Frankfurt School bullshit in their minds.
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Yeah, that SWPL herbling brow-beaten broken-man beta-supplicant routine is simply nauseating.
For quite a while now, I have been subtly [and not-so-subtly] urging chicks to have more children [so as to up the T.F.R. and try to save the White species from extinction].
But now I’m also wondering whether I should also start telling random losers: “Dude, man up, grow a pair, and don’t be a fricking toady for the rest of your life.”
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lol tell em to have there woman feed em at table it will change the world I swear
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ZF,
I found this myself. Well, I have found that women who identified as liberal/left/feminist have easily been shifted away for that. I admit that part of this dynamic is just HOW MUCH the girl likes you and how old she is, or how determined to fight you on every discussion. But I recently have been with two women who were remade fairly easily and not by browbeating but by stating the facts, some Socratic method and keeping one’s frame. I find people’s heads nodding in other contexts too, when I spout views that are almost 100 percent contra what they’ve been taught or believe (though sometimes you will find leftists who resent the narrative on feminism or race.)
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Also, the younger guys at The Chateau need to realize that alcoholism hits chicks as well as dudes.
Just as some of your high school or college buddies will eventually grow up to become full-blown drunks, so too will you come to discover that some of your ex-girlfriends later became known as lushes or pill-poppers or even dope-heads.
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i have a friend (male) who’s engaged. his fiance invited me to join them for bowling one night, there was gonna be mixed company and some mutual friends so i went.
my friend was unable to make it, working late. so the fiance already visibly drunk welcomes me with a big energetic hug and an extra squeeze for good measure. as the night went on, she continued to seek my company. pressing her body against mine when possible and even drive-by grabbing my ass.
i was non-chalant about the whole thing telling her shit like ‘girl, u cray cray’ or ‘please dont touch the merchandise’
but I feel bad for my friend, I would never touch his girl but its sad that she can display that behavior in his absence.
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She’s probably already cheating on him.
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He should not marry her.
Somebody should inform him of how she behaves when he is not around.
She will cheat on him if she is not already.
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+1
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+1 should not marry her. or anyone. how can marriage possibly be fun don’t do it bro
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actually, as a friend you have a moral imperative in that situation to let the ho seduce you and fuck her like the whore she is and take pics n vid. then goto the friend and say what happened. he may hate you and it may end the friendship but you are doing him a huge favor and you can take solace in that. I’ve done it before and it sucks but a few of my old friends are married to better women. just be warned don’t game her just get or act blitzed and she will do the heavy lifting.
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Moral imperative to fuck my friends fiance.. sounds like a plan if it wasn’t a complete betrayal.
You have more brass than I do I suppose..
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naw what’s worse then the alpha fucks beta bucks alimony child rapeorrt scenario. id gladly take an ass kicking to save a friend from that hell. bernakified….
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Don’t fuck her, but tell him. Would you be willing to risk a friendship to save a life?
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Men who stick to a “bro code” are more likely to be harmed by it than men who don’t feel compulsion to follow the “Bro [Beta] Code”
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Yeah, that’s cold. Get some other dude to fuck her and tell him.
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Be careful. Your friendship is nothing to her and she will break it up at her slightest whim if she wants.
Any word gets back to your friend about her antics and suddenly its “he was all over me!”.
I don’t know what I’d do. Depends on your friend. Betas never want to believe their girl is not an angel. If you call it out, he might get angry. If it was me, I’d want and expect my friend to tell me. Mileage varies.
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Exactly. If they are tight friends, it might behoove him to not sleep with the harlot and just set up a sitch where she gets drunk again while his friend is there and can observe for himself
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She’s boning other guys. Bank on it.
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I’ve noticed that when lots of guys talk about their buddy’s girlfriend having a thing for them, they are all reluctant to be the guy who acts on it, yet if it’s not with them, it’s with someone else.
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It can be tricky trying to get with a buddys gf… If a person hits on their buddy’s gf then the gf can say so and so is hitting on me, and use that to drive a wedge in the friendship. Dont get me wrong, some evil cuntesses will say this anyways. That is why I said above that the only way this really works is if you get really drunk or at least act that way, then its on her to figure out the isolation and time. There is another side to this, and it centers around a woman just being nice to the guy friends as a way to solidify the relationship with the guy.
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What you have to do is obvious. For the sake of your friend, you have to destroy your friendship. You must game his fiance, and once you get her, put the video online, and send him a link. He will hopefully get the defib jumpstart to his manhood and never make the same mistake twice. If he does make it again, you cannot feel bad for him. He will never learn.
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TL/DR: I’ll just leave this here though: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tjur3/
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Great post.
In my blue pill days, I was once engaged to a beautiful, but ball-cutting, prudish, shit-testing harpie who loved sex but sometimes wouldn’t put out, and didn’t like anything remotely risque. Part of that was clearly my intermittent, but thankfully not total betatude.
I’ll never forget one night when she got loaded at a wedding. When I got her home, her sexual beast came out and I did all sorts of wonderfully depraved things to her & with her.
She was mad the next morning, said she felt “dirty” and that I “took advantage of her.” I just smirked and said “you sure seemed to enjoy it last night,” and continued reading the paper. It shut her up, fortunately.
It could have turned out badly, had I just a little less hand and a little less frame control.
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do I know you lol?
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Hi! I hope the welts on your ass in the shape of my initials went away before your new hubby saw them. Ooops.
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Sounds a lot like my ex.
The only time we had sex while she was drunk she wanted anal sex – twice within a couple hours – she verbally asked for it, she even told me how she wanted it ( “warm me up” with one finger etc etc ) …
then for the next 10 months , and starting as soon as the next morning , she accused me of having “made her do it”.
She was actually angry at me???!!!
I wish I could have (secretly) videotaped the whole thing.
She then told much worse lies about me.
Women can be evil beyond what words can describe. Their capacity for denial and lying is dangerous to us men.
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In such situations, as in most of life, maintaining frame control, and thus hand, will determine the success or crash-burn-failure. The issue is nothing but a big shit test, and a shit test can be seen as a woman challenging the man for the dominant frame of the interaction.
Because I never caved to her frame on that issue, it never came up again. I did bend my frame on other issues. She accused me of cheating, and I defensively denied it, thereby conceding the frame. That interaction haunted me for months. Agree & amplify would have been better than what I did, which was nothing.
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Does she jump into your arms, mashing her appletini-breath into your face, groping feverishly at your crotch and begging for exquisite deliverance on your godhead?
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yup
that’s why we get kicked out of clubs sometimes
grabbed my dick and started sucking on a bench outside hardrock café on walk to hotel
”””’Does she jump?””””
he he he
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I teeter around greater beta/lesser alpha, but I must be pretty darned alpha, because I actually think this post is off. Based on my personal experiences, I’ve never experienced a drunk or tipsy girl not wanting to have sex with me. Not once. I can’t imagine “iciness” in a drunk girl.
[CH: “Iciness” is perhaps not the best descriptor of a drunk girl in the company of a beta. “Nastiness” would be more accurate.]
I have one-itus in that I go from LTR to LTR — except in my mid-20s when I was alpha for about a year but then stupidly got married at age 27 — but I have banged 18 chicks and none was less than a 7 and none weighed more than 125 pounds (and she was 5’7″). This post seems off to me–the thought of a woman becoming less apt to have sex when drunk.
[The vigor, or lack thereof, with which she performs her sexual duty counts toward your final SMV score.]
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It can happen. See below.
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Strikes me as if not off, at least a truth with serious modifications. Girls may well be less interested in concealing their lust for alphas when drunk, but at the same time, they are much less discerning about who is alpha in the first place.
At some level of inebriation, simply being a male is seemingly enough to qualify as alpha for a girl.
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Well, alcohol consumption does result in a temporary increase in testosterone production in women, which works in conjunction with the lowered inhibitions. Generally, that means she’s going to be pretty horny.
On the other hand…I’m only 117 lbs and if I’m not sufficiently conscientious about how much I’ve eaten vice how much I’ve had to drink, I can very quickly get to a state where I am completely numb. Not to mention nauseated. It’s not sexy. (And we’re talking about excesses as minor as one Macallan at midnight, two hours after the last one. YMMV.)
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I fight her off pretty good in club though on the beejays we get kicked out for dancing a little too smexy and maybe physical
makes some people uncomfortable
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you would think there would be crazier behavior with all the inebriation I don’t see all that much and always feel like I am special compared to every other dude and what they gettin
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Maybe she’s just more of a whore than the other girls at the club 😉
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or maybe the other dudes can’t toss their whores in the air lolzzzzzzzz
husband pissed when she with me she only my ho he he he
she ain’t doing shit with other dudes though just me
she got to much game though knows how to play me like a violin I’ll admit it
but its all the shit I like so fuck it
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I know other bitches just stare jaws all down on the floor he he he
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I can’t even explain how in tune we are on the dancefloor
its some transcendental shit when we on
I guess why I fell in love with this bitch she makes the mundane world go away for a bit anyway
she gets to feel special too I guess nobody can manhandle a bitch like me
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Idk. I’ve been in LTRs with men whom i slowly grew to despise, and the only way I WOULD have sex w them after familiarity had started to breed contempt was to get thoroughly plastered beforehand? I don’t think it is any kind of alpha test. i will say that if she’s drunk and still says no, there’s really no hope for you. But that is setting the bar very low.
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lol you don’t get it at all
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Wait, what? Whatever happened to drunk girls cant say “no”? Also I am by no means alpha, however I never failed hooking with a drunk girl, though it can be easier for her so she can go “I wuz drunk! bawww” so heh
And personally, its the thrill of the hunt that counts. Think about it, you were able to unleash the ID despite the “mental checkpoints, border guards and lockdown procedures”
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I think alcohol just increases your attraction to those you already are attracted to. It is certainly not a panacea. I have been rip roaring drunk around a few guys I was dating/friends with and never planning on sleeping with, and those 8 shots didn’t do anything to change my mind. Actually it never once crossed it. Yes, drunk girls can say no.
But, I don’t think it’s revolutionary to state that alcohol decreases inhibitions therefore making sex more care-free and fun, for both parties. But you must be attracted to e/o beforehand.
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I really liked this point:
“As per usual, feminists and their manboob human chastity belts lump in alpha males with beta and omega males and incorrectly assume that the poosy paradise that alpha males enjoy is enjoyed by all men.”
That is exactly the problem. They assume every single guy is an entitled alpha that has his choice of any woman and abuses that power constantly. like WTF
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Minor suggested revision to ‘lumping men together’ with regard to apex-comparison fallacy. Entitlement women (99%?) don’t see men they rank lower than themselves as men, or even human beings. They have so much reproductively selected hindbrain contempt they don’t register most men as ‘all men’. Those are boyz or cannon fodder or something.
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Fully drunken girls may want sex more but the question remains to be answered what type of man will enjoy sex with a girl in such a sorry state.
If you dont know what the hell I am talking about, try to imagine you banging her from behind when suddenly her diner feels the urge for fresh air.
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the science is settled on this. women don’t get beer goggles they get more discerning and picky. myth busters proved it also.
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Gotta agree with this. A had a gf who got super drunk on her birfday and insisted she take a pee in front of me. I thought it was weird at the time and broke up with her later (for different reasons).
Sometimes I wish I hadn’t because no girl liked me as much as she did. The proof was in the drunken’ piss!
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1. i disagree. i refuse to allow women to use the restroom in front of me. it is disgusting. if she was trying to impress you, she would hide that shit from you.
2. you may be suffering from oneitis. MOVE ON.
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I have found women generally reluctant to urinate in view of any others. If she’ll pee in front of you, she likes you a lot, or she is just weird.
Only somewhat relevant, but very useful, is this thing that I learned. My current gf was, once upon a time, showing signs of being less and less attracted to me each time she got intoxicated. The sex was getting worse and rarer, more and more often she would feel nauseous and/or too tired, blah blah blah. I put up with this for about a month, because I’m a beta by training, and also because I worked on a project for her dad and didn’t want to lose the contract. Then I decided I had had enough when I took her out for her birthday and she pulled the nauseous/tired nonsense after we started the deed. She went into the bathroom of our hotel to pee. I waited until I could hear her pissing, got up and barged in stark naked, soldier at full attention, grabbed her by the head, and discovered the reason toilets are the height that they are.
Then I let her pass out in bed. She has been wrapped around my biggest finger ever since.
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yeah, drunk girls start giving the puppy dog bowl eyes and even if the sex is normally good, it just gets better. This explains why I would sometimes say, “when I get home, let’s get some wine into you so I can take super advantage of you.” (the reply being “ok!”), it’s science! You feminists don’t hate science, do you?
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“when I get home, let’s get some wine into you so I can take super advantage of you.” (the reply being “ok!”)
This. Works like a charm. Wanna have freak sex avec the wife? Pour some wine.
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It’s a handy gauge for how much the girl is into you particularly in the early stages of dating, when things are already sexual but she might still be trying to play coy and not let on how much she digs you. If, after she’s good and tipsy, she can’t keep her hands off you sexually/affectionately, your hooks are in good and deep.
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It is also funny for realizing when your gal pal may just be a little bit more than just drinking buddies with you. The girls just come out of the woodwork.
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A couple of months ago, a drunk hot (8) girl told me, “You can take me anytime.”
Uh, thanks CH.
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Preliminary Background:
Great perspective, but I’ll like peer review on one aspect: just been certified a Sexy Alpha Male™.
About a month back I walked up to two women in a bar. One was around 30 and the other maybe 23. Both were attractive by my beta standards and pull. The younger one was self-proclaimed drunk and immediately took to me. The other was not drunk. She explained she had the nicer ass but her friend had the nicer boobs, enhanced. I think you guys would call younger a 7. Perhaps a few might say 8. She let me handle her ass, as in put it out there almost as a shit test. She told me all about her tattoos and piercings. She told me her vagina was pierced and her friend was like, hey you just met the guy. She said she was going to get fucked by someone that night.
My Point:
I figured she was drunk and it would be easy for her to claim rape if she woke up to my old ass (mid-40s) and decided she did not like what she saw. Now technically, she maybe meant she had a pierced clit, but I don’t want scratched, especially on my johnson with a ONS. I could have but I backed off. Another guy, tall, oval fat, and I think ugly, but younger, engaged here in convo and that was that for me talking to her again.
(1) I think there is rape concern, and (2) I think she has to first evaluate the guy sober BEFORE she gets drunk to know how she really feels about a guy because she can’t really scritinize for alpha if she is drunk. Now maybe she was pretending to be drunk, but I think she was drunk, beyond buzzed.
Peer Review Request:
Anyone weigh in on those two concerns, please. And wouldn’t the Drunk Test require sober involvement and qualification BEFORE the lower inhibitions of the woman reveal her true instinctive feeling?
I pretend to be alpha as much as I can, find I must turn it on still, and I find that when its easy to pick up a girl in night game, I wonder if she is just randomly DTF and in a slutty mode that I believe SWPL American women get into one evening every 8 months to 3 years because a ‘real man’ that she is holding out for is a unicorn or a very rare man with 100,000 better options. How do I differentiate between her being a drunk DTF slut to recalibrate her biochemistry and reaffirm her ‘real man’ market value and her being overwhelmed by my game setting off her alpha triggers. I think I was not alpha that night, even if I had easily f-closed. I think she was just a drunk DFT young lady riding the cock carousel, with a frequency I can’t presume to know, but I’m not thinking she would miss me the next day. Opinions for exploration of truth involving drunk girl social dynamics would be appreciated. Sorry this was so long.
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I think it is fairly obvious to tell when a girl is drunk to the point of being taken advantage of. That is why I think one of the most disgusting things a dude can do is take advantage of an obviously overly drunk girl and/or drug a drink. If you need to drug a drink, you are beyond omega. Not only that, but I can’t even imagine how sex with someone in that state could even be enjoyable.
If you even questioned the level of drunkenness it was probably best you just laid off.
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That is why I think one of the most disgusting things a dude can do is take advantage of an obviously overly drunk girl and/or drug a drink.”””””””””’
drunk girl=drug a drink
the fuck is wrong with you
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Thanks, @John. Drunk turns me off, but I never thought I’d prefer ONS. Maybe with better Game I could have spend time with her and gotten her to sober up a bit, but then I am going to scarcity mentality. She was hot for what I can pull (and I don’t pull often), but more than buzzed I took to be a false opportunity, which you are confirming.
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You made a good call.
We call what you ran into “Fool’s Mate” (chess term, basically a fluke victory). Just a chick who needs cock from anyone for whatever reason and, because she’s as socially conditioned as the rest of society with regards to how pickup/attraction work, she figures the way to get laid is to get herself shit-faced in a bar and talk about her vagina. SOMEONE will take the bait, hopefully before she’s falling on the dance floor and barfing in the club bathroom.
“How do I differentiate between her being a drunk DTF slut to recalibrate her biochemistry and reaffirm her ‘real man’ market value and her being overwhelmed by my game setting off her alpha triggers”
This comes from field experience. What happens is basically your brain goes “okay I know that when I do A B and C I get result X Y and Z…because I’ve done it thousands of times and have those reference experiences. In THIS scenario she’s giving me XYZ but I haven’t done AB or C…in fact I’ve done DE and F which would normally actively make XYZ NOT happen. The logic here doesn’t add up.” and then you know what you’re dealing with.
My first trip to Vegas was frustrating because the hookers there act like normal girls (they lie and make up stories about why they’re there or where their friends are etc). I wasn’t expecting that so it caught me off guard till I flashed back to my strip club days where I hung with strippers and watched them giving fake iois to their customers etc and drew a bunch of mental connections between it all.
So basically if a girl is attracted to me, but logically from field experience I know it doesn’t make sense for her to be attracted because I haven’t flipped any switches, I know there’s something suspicious going on. I’d say 10% of the time it’s that just by pure fluke I happen to be her type looks/style/etc-wise and its actual attraction, but 90% of the time it’s something like she wants something from me (to buy her a drink, to do her a favor, validation, etc) or she has shit going on (just broke up and needs validation, her bf cheated on her and she wants revenge, she’s just retard-horny and hammered, etc) where I could be any guy in the bar and she’d be just as happy.
Some guys don’t mind that, “pussy is pussy” and all, but for me the game/hunt itself is more fun than sex, so I turn girls down in those situs because if I’m going to bang a girl I like it to be because I earned it, not because to her “dick is dick”.
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Also the rape thing is a legit worry. If you were a super stud alpha male prize she’d be happy to wake up next to you and even if she wasn’t, your belief in your awesomeness and your strong frame would win out and she’d feel like she did win a prize.
But because your internals are still wishy-washy, her waking up with some regret would trigger your feeling like she SHOULD regret it, which would enhance her feelings of it and it just spirals downhill from there and you’d be a lot more likely for her to claim rape out of regret.
On top of that, you wouldn’t get much out of it internally aside from the relief of having your P in a V. Because you’d know you didn’t “earn” the lay and that she banged you cause you were “there”, not because she was very attracted to you. Some guys don’t care either way, and more power to them if they don’t, I don’t judge that. But for me personally the times I ran into that, it was an empty feeling, because this whole journey wasn’t just about getting pussy any way I could manage, it was about becoming an alpha male internally. That same feeling is why I don’t lie about my age or my job or my long-term intentions etc. it’s important to me that a girl who bangs me does it because she’s attracted to who I am instead of who I could pretend to be.
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One last bit on the rape part. Even if SHE didn’t initially regret it, if her friends didn’t like you or whatever, which is entirely possible considering to them you’d be “the desperate guy who took advantage of my drunk friend who just broke up with her bf”, combined with your low internals, she might waltz in with a skip in her step about the night but have her friend(s) ambush her with judgements about banging a 40yo guy who preys on drunk girls blah blah and convince her that she should feel bad about the night and could potentially convince her she must’ve been raped because who would sleep with that guy ewww etc etc.
Again with a strong frame and good internals and some skill at managing Buyer’s Remorse you could turn a lot of that around or prevent it, but why play with fire?
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@YaReally
“Even if SHE didn’t initially regret it, if her friends didn’t like you or whatever, which is entirely possible considering to them you’d be “the desperate guy who took advantage of my drunk friend who just broke up with her bf”…”
Bingo.
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Girl Initiates on Top: A Viable Strategy or a Beta Fool’s Mate?
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Thus, my level of Game would be immaterial. Crossed my mind. However, I have something I think will help neutralize a retro-rape charge except it is still her word vs. mine so still not a solution, just a help. Still, ain’t nothing better than being admirred from below.
Besides getting her to sober up, in such a case for concern, the man lying on his back and allowing the woman to mount him unassisted for the very first time is her choice and sanction and perhaps conditions her to the right frame of mind. At least she is chasing.
But yah, nothing beyond a light buzz with the political control being what it is. And if the chick is drunk with her friends, the social die is cast, so I feel good about walking away from that. It would be a lot of work to try and sober her up and reset socially, maybe just #-close. Could turn lemons into lemonaid and be the ‘perfect gentlemen’ if I wanted to seek the nuanced mastery or make this social desert work better for me. The later case is fear, so the form is the only possible good reason? No way I’m playing mega-church or multi-church game here in the Bible Belt, so not my people or culture. I’m a trapped transplant for now.
I appreciate all the comments on this subject of risk of retro-rape/recast as rape. I like to explore the possibilities, especially those of taking back political control from the matrix. Happy screwing, guys!
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“the man lying on his back and allowing the woman to mount him unassisted for the very first time is her choice and sanction and perhaps conditions her to the right frame of mind. At least she is chasing.”
This is REAAAAAAALLY crossing your fingers, if you’re hoping that kind of thing would hold up in court lol It’s not like she’ll say “I told him to choke me”, her lawyer will tell her to say “he choked me”…which isn’t an un-true statement, it’s just not all of the facts. And you might be able to get her to admit she told you to choke her, but who’s going to be listening to what you say at THAT point? Especially in the press or your employer, etc.?
“But yah, nothing beyond a light buzz with the political control being what it is.”
It’s just a hostile environment to be doing what we do (pickup). Especially because pickup by default is in a morally wrong area for the Blue Pill crowd, and SO much of it, if you don’t understand the nuances, comes off as super rapey. We are REALLY taking a HUGE risk going out and seducing girls and working on our game and pushing social boundaries, and every guy doing it should be acutely aware of that and protect himself.
You don’t step into a boxing ring with Tyson without wearing head-gear and a mouth-guard lol
“And if the chick is drunk with her friends, the social die is cast”
Yup. You can control/manage HER emotions, but not all of her friends, or her friends friends who hear about you through word of mouth, etc. etc. Now if you can for sure win her whole group over, that can be different. Like if I show up to a bar one of my fuckbuddies is at, and she’s hammered, but she’s talked me up to her friends and I introduce myself to them and get them laughing and clearly my FB is all over me loving me in front of them, they’ll let me take her home and I don’t have to worry about what they think really. But on cold-approach, especially in your scenario where the girl is probably going up to multiple guys that her friend doesn’t approve of and talking about things or behaving in a way her friend doesn’t approve of, that’s a recipe for disaster down the road.
It’s good that you had the self-restraint/self-preservation to walk away from it. A lot of desperate beta needy type guys who don’t learn game or anything and feel like they literally have no other option except to take any chance given to them by the universe, would have gone for it. I think a lot of actual rape cases stem from scarcity, where the guy thinks “there she is, easy for me to take, and I’m never going to get another chance with her or any girl so I have to do this!”
If I have a rape discussion with people I’ll point out that even though I’m the bar-star going out and picking up “drunk club sluts”, I’m the least likely person TO rape because if a girl doesn’t want to put out, I don’t give a shit. I can put her in a cab and txt 3 other girls and one of them will come over. Or I can pick up a different girl the next night, I don’t give a shit if she doesn’t want to have sex. That’s fine with me. And if she has any reservations about it, I’d prefer we DIDN’T have sex so I DON’T have to deal with any fallout.
“It would be a lot of work to try and sober her up and reset socially, maybe just #-close.”
That would be the optimal route if you’re worried about the situation, but even then she would probably flake or give you a false number because, for whatever reasons were going on in that girl’s world that night, she was looking to fuck something out of her system, not find a guy to date.
No biggie though, it’s good to think about how you could’ve handled it. If she were a little less agressive and just drunk, getting her some waters and spending some time with her and her friends would be a good route and could still lead to a Same Night Lay or a solid #. And then her friends respect you so they help encourage her to hook up with you because you were a good guy who didn’t take advantage of her when you could’ve.
In fact now that I think about it, one of the things I’ll do in those situs is tell her friends “I wish your friend wasn’t so drunk. She’s cute and we have good chemistry and I like her, but she’s pretty hammered right now and I don’t think she’s going to even remember me in the morning. :(” lol If they like me, they’ll often help me out from there.
“I’m playing mega-church or multi-church game here in the Bible Belt”
If you’re in the Bible Belt, you’ll probably get a lot more Buyer’s Remorse that other areas. So you’ll want to focus on learning to have a strong frame that being sexual is okay and not wrong and that people who think it’s wrong are judgemental etc. etc. and let yourself be chick’s “little secret” that they keep from their friends and family. Lots of discretion etc. Even if the chick is cool with what you do, that aspect of social judgement will come into it hard and heavy in the Bible Belt. It’s like a rich upper-class chick fucking an attractive scumbag, she doesn’t want her friends to know because they’ll judge her, compared to if she was banging some guy on her social level.
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@YaReally, great points. I don’t know if I am moving into pussy is pussy even if my dick is a dick. I have abandoned looking for a gf and focus on ONS, and trying to develop any day game into SDL. I KNOW I am not ltr material for any woman. Yes, I could let my doubts betray me the next morning. I don’t wish to test my confidence on stakes that high or a lay that sloppy bad. Sometimes I want the chick to dig me, but fuck it, chicks can’t really dig a man as having intrinsic value; they can’t really love, so what is the diff? Women ‘love’ as a hardwired ploy for unintelligent evolutionary design. I am exploring what ‘appreciation’ to be had is desirable to me empirically when I can. I guess it is just a matter of attachment, which is the whole point of the post here. The low quality of the animation to the lay turned me off and the rape potential was just extra reason to leave her be. Fear is the mind-killer. I made a logical calculation. I love Game for the calculus elegance that only superior men can compute. I think I was born a generation too soon, now in addition to having been born a generation too late. lol
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You did the right thing but for the wrong reason.
I wouldn’t have banged the drunken girl because too drunk equals substandard quality in sex. I dont feel like banging a half-passed-out sandbag nor a girl that might vomit-in-action. No thanks.
You passed because of fear. Fear is not an alpha trait.
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@Maldek I know you could be right, but I don’t think so. I think I passed out of logic, but I regretted it out of fear, fear of scarcity. I don’t claim to be alpha: I am beta with bright moments. Not knowing how to handle a drunk chick out of ignorance, as far as that might go after prudence, I don’t call fear either. However, since you have suggested the idea, if it is true, I will discover it and remove it in time, as I have other aspects of my psyche. Inner game (or self-actualization) is a drawn-out process of refinement. I respect and appreciate your feedback. I could discover it to be a great catalyst in time for all I know. I am to know myself.
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Also, it’s harder to lay a sober girl than a drunk one.
And I like to play all my games on the hardest difficulty.
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@Doug
“if it is true, I will discover it and remove it in time”
You have a good attitude for becoming proficient at this skillset. Like Tyler says in this video, “the field” will show you your flaws and rub them in your face until you fix them.
If you go out a lot and consistently work on this, you will learn what works and discard what holds you back. You HAVE to fix that stuff to get results…that’s why keyboard jockeys often have a bunch of shitty beliefs and ignorant ideas on how things “should” work and react with hostility if someone points out flaws in their thinking. They don’t go out so they don’t have it rubbed in their face.
At the same time if you go out for years and don’t have any improvement in your results, you’re not analyzing your game close enough or experimenting enough with new ideas/methods.
As I’ve said before: anyone who goes out enough will come to the same conclusions I have, that Tyler has, that anyone who goes out enough has. The field is king. 🙂 good luck!
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Just read your last comment, @YaReally. Well, I thought I opened fearlessly and strong. I thought they were both impressed with how I walk over with engaging confidence and conversation like it was the most natural thing in the world. If she was not drunk, I would have trusted her judgment to do me.
Why would I risk it? Because we already do. We are mortal and will die. As the Danger and Play bloggers tell us, women are danger and play. Just par for the course. Why? Because we are already in the Game and we want to MASTER it. I was not in control in that situation and that would have perhaps been too much of a step up in skill level trying to work it to my advantage, but I am starting to think I could have now that I think that if I could have relocated her without her gf, I could have dragged it out and gotten enough sobriety to attempt to generate some attraction specific to me. It was early in the night and my opportunities are rare, so I think it could have been a worthy exercise if I had been ready. The fact that I maintained my frame about my needs and wants and calculated rather than went impulsive was a good positive reinforcement that I can build on. Don’t want that Fool’s Mate either; maybe I would find her sober personality to be repulsive. It’s a journey. I could use to both develop more charisma and get more sex, so if I avoid the stupid thing and analyze, I can only grow and win more. Cool to bounce off ideas with you. The lack of the caveat in the original post threw me a bit. The red pill is strange in that there is no caveat where you would expect there to be one having been indoctrinated for blue pill. I will now take the caveat I had as legit, and now I can Game around level and timing of drunkenness: fucking cool!
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when I drank a billion shots other week at club a chick didn’t go through all that mental process when she took me home and came in my house
and she was sober nough to drive
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“I thought they were both impressed with how I walk over with engaging confidence and conversation like it was the most natural thing in the world. If she was not drunk, I would have trusted her judgment to do me.”
Then she was probably legit attracted to you. She was horny and determined to get fucked, but you were probably high or on the top of the pile of guys she hoped would fuck her that night. If she just came up to you out of the blue and was all over you telling you you’re soooo hot and talking about her pussy etc., that’s where the ABC/XYZ thing doesn’t add up (strippers, hookers, and to an extent waitresses/etc. do that kind of thing).
So take from it that you had a solid open and in another lifetime in another place under other circumstances, you probably could’ve had that chick legit. That’s not the worst night in the world, even if you chose not to go for it because she sabotaged herself.
I think that’s the important way to look at it, is that she sabotaged herself out of getting to fuck you. It’s not that you fucked up, it’s that SHE fucked it up, by not drinking responsibly etc.
“I am starting to think I could have now that I think that if I could have relocated her without her gf, I could have dragged it out and gotten enough sobriety to attempt to generate some attraction specific to me. It was early in the night”
For reference it takes about an hour to process an ounce of alcohol. If she’s pretty tanked, for a chick that’s probably around 6 drinks so you’d need a few hours of no alcohol. If you fed her water and could invest enough alone-time with her, you could probably pull something off.
In reality though, the odds are her friend would drag her off to do whatever before you were able to pull that off, or she might be determined to keep drinking, or consider you a buzzkill for trying to make her stop, her BF could’ve txted her an hour in, etc. etc.
The important thing is that, strategically and from a game-perspective, you understand that to have turned this around you would have needed to relocate her and isolate her from her friend. Those are important, tactically. 🙂
“and calculated rather than went impulsive was a good positive reinforcement that I can build on.”
A lot of game is like poker. You can win at poker if you just go with your gut…but you won’t win consistently unless you’re lucky as fuck. The difference between a consistently good poker player and randoms is that the consistently good guy can detach his emotions from the cards and act on the logical math and %s and stick to a gameplan instead of becoming outcome dependent and too emotionally invested to play solidly.
“Don’t want that Fool’s Mate either; maybe I would find her sober personality to be repulsive.”
lol that is definitely a thing that happens. 😀
“if I avoid the stupid thing and analyze, I can only grow and win more.”
This is a long-term game, don’t stress yourself out about missing lays here and there. You’re not just trying to get pussy, if you were you could just call up hookers and save yourself a lot of time and effort. The fact that you’re going out and approaching girls is an indicator that you’re trying to improve yourself in bigger ways than racking up a notch-count. Most people around you won’t be able to relate to this, and some guys will even give you shit for not trying to fuck that girl like “dude are you nuts?? she wanted it and she was drunk!! I would’ve done it!!” But you have to remember that ultimately you’re training to be better than those guys. 🙂
“now I can Game around level and timing of drunkenness: fucking cool!”
I like to get to bars/clubs early because 1) the girls aren’t hammered then so I can chat them up and while they’re not as likely to leave with me at 10pm as they are at 1am, I can build a lot of groundwork for the later pull and I can manage how much they drink, befriend their friends, etc. and 2) none of the guys have enough liquid courage in them to approach yet so just being able to approach sober girls while sober yourself early in the night like that, you get a shitload of bonus points for your confidence and don’t have to deal with any real AMOG’ing etc.
I CAN pull at 2am, but the selection of girls is pretty grim to me at that point because they’re all pretty hammered and I don’t like that. On the flip side, I have buddies who LOVE the 2am last-call rush of finding a drunk chick who’s not taken yet and trying to get her. I usually just grab a hotdog or chat with some randoms while they’re doing that…past 1:30 I’m usually mentally checked out and ready for a good night’s sleep. As long as I did some approaching and ran some solid game and learned some shit, I’m happy with that night…’cause I know I’ll be out the next night and have another shot, I don’t need to comb the streets and sift through shit-faced drama chicks till 3am that night.
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@YaReally Another great analysis. Thanks again. I’m trying to milk every rare opportunity to the max so I went beta and forgot A3. Clearly, I got spooked. She was try-hard and didn’t bother to connect, like beta guys often do. lol Yes, that’s the way to look at it: she sabatoged her chance with me, disqualified herself. Poor thing. lol I wonder if that is her lack of confidence or just laziness, but doesn’t matter now.
I like your prep sober game. Hard to do at my fav club since people usually drink in a bar prior to clubbing, and the pool of people out is small to begin with. It does grease the skids nicely when it happens for me, and a cock assist (anti-cockblock) is always nice. I don’t even try to open the ‘other’ and work to my choice because availability and interest never works like that, at least for me. It’s like it’s predetermined before I get there. I either like what I get or I move on. Apparently, I have plenty of room to grow and adjust the social dynamics rather than just recognize and ride them.
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I think she’s a 10 on the slut scale. Not only tattoos and piercings, she got her cunt pierced and talks about it to strangers. I’ve met quite some girls like that. They can be fun in bed but are usually three fries short of a happy meal, especially when they booze regularly. It’s risky because they are unpredictable the next day.
Better to look for the “I don’t normally do this” vibe.
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Thanks. Almost sounds like women who lie are better women. Strange design, these women. lol
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I’m an atheist, but sometimes I think women are just too much of a practical joke to just have evolved by chance 😉
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Fucking hilarious. And that’s why I am agnostic. I just can’t quite stop giving the sky the middle finger like there could be a trickster god in charge.
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I also like spicy or indian food, but I always gotta alert the sewage treatment plant beforehand because I’ll be shitting napalm the next 36 hours. Intelligent design my ass. Nature is a cruel joke.
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I think the internet pointy elbow brigade needs a brief course on the difference between sober, tipsy, plastered, comatose.
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Does not matter to me when i RAPE.
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“Everything is proceeding according to plan.”
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Here, here.
As a (well, technically) woman, may I give it a go?
Sober: She has had 0-2 drinks. If she’s had a couple of drinks, she’s eaten recently. She is alert; her speech is crisp; her shields are up and if she’s an introvert, she’s probably sticking close by her friends and the people she knows.
Tipsy: She has had 3-4 drinks, with or without food, and is starting to relax and loosen up. She is still fully in control of her behavior, speaking normally, but perhaps a bit more loudly. She’s happy to converse with strangers even if she is normally shy. (This is where I, personally, find it easiest to enjoy myself at parties where I don’t know anyone.) If I were a dude, this is the point at which I’d make my approach.
Plastered: She has had more than 4 drinks and she is getting very loud. Her speech is slurring. She tells dumb, meandering stories, frequently speaking over others in an attempt to get her “point” across. She may stumble when she walks. She leaves her purse and phone lying around. Although she is becoming increasingly sexually aggressive, she’s also being kind of annoying. This is the point at which many girls start yelling “Woo!” and dancing on the table. If I were a dude, I’d proceed with caution. She’s not too drunk to consent, but she IS drunk enough that she can tell herself the next morning that she never meant to sleep with you. This is the point at which FRA is a real concern.
Comatose: She can’t walk unassisted. She has difficulty focusing her eyes. To the extent that she can talk, she moans and whines. She’s probably either going to vomit or pee her pants…perhaps both. She could pass out at any time. Stick her ass in a cab and send her home–at this point, she really is unable to give consent. If you’re going to do anything, just get her digits and text her to make sure she got home OK.
Anybody else want to weigh in?
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Can’t argue with that. Well done, @RD. Again, sound advice from a woman. Living in absolutes would be so much easier. 🙂 But then again BEHIND every great man is a great woman. Society is in decline: oh well, ltr’s and unicorns.
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I think the reader is referring to tipsy. If her interest is high when she’s sober but drops off when she’s tipsy then there’s a problem, or he’s in the friend zone. It’s a massive risk because she’ll 100% end up banging some other guy when she’s plastered or comatose.
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Yes, I’m pretty sure you’re right, OhioStater. She doesn’t have to be plastered to have the temporary T-boost that alcohol gives her, and if that temporary T-boost has her turned off by a guy instead of on…problem.
Now if she’s plastered or getting near comatose, it could just be that she’s too busy figuring out where she’s going to un-lunch.
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Similarly, we can debunk the myth that sluts are easy. Sluts are easy for alpha men, but for the vast majority of beta herbs, they’re not. Instead, they’re more discriminating when it comes to looking for alpha characteristics in men, as a the result of having more experience and higher testosterone levels.
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What no way man! Haven’t you read all those White Knights and anti-gamers who trash talk about how they’re holding out for a quality woman because ANYONE can bang those easy club sluts, like they’re going to walk into a club and walk out with a 9 on their arm off a cold-approach instead of standing in a corner with a drink at their chest terrified. Lol
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I agree but you have to operate from the obviousness that nothing is easy for beta herbs. For alphas, there are degrees of “easiness” that defines how slutty a girl is.
The “sluttiness” also comes from how actively a girl seeks out the alpha. How often, where, and what type of friends she goes out with, what she wears. Ovulation has a say as well.
If you are sufficiently alpha, the girl who goes out to a hotspot alone or with one slutty friend, and is showing her cleavage will be an easy slut. She will give token resistance to fucking you.
While the girl out for the third time that year, dressed conservatively and in a tight knit pack of five girls will not be as easy. She will give actual resistance to fucking you.
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What if your gf gropes for your crotch at all hours of the day?
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then she might give you the worst case of oneitis in the history of man
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Fuck yeah it can. Good thing my dad being super alpha taught me some important things:
1. Never cry for a woman
2. Never let a woman to tell you “shut up”
3. Never let a woman control
My dad is the definition of alpha. Greek immigrant, left home at age 15. Came to America at age 24, worth 12 to 15 million today. Married virgin wife, had two sons. Now is retiring.
He taught us well but the money made us soft growing up
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I kind of wonder what my life would of been like If I would of been groomed for greatness the way I was when young and my parents had loot
don’t think it made me soft going to all the lessons and shit to learn everything
made me a leader
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Sure it was the money?
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For sure it was. Imagine growing up knowing your whole life that “dad has money” it makes you fight less, think less, risk less. However, the 2008 crash handed him a good ass kicking forcing us out of our half assed slumber.
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Never cry for a woman.
What did your dad mean by this? Did he mean cry in front of a woman? Cry over a woman (who leaves you)? What does it mean to “cry for a woman”?
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Spot on. The girls to date are the ones that rarely drink and when they do, they are on you like white on rice. The ones who you quickly show the door are the ones that get drunk a lot and want attention, aka stupid sluts.
When the current LTR gets drinks in her, she wants anal. Can’t complain about that.
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+1
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I don’t understand why anyone would want anal, man or woman. Gross.
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Makes sense to me. I will take it to imply confirmation of the BEFORE caveat I was making as well as the right kind of gf to have. It is better than the door test because the keys work remotely now.
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So this is why Rappaccini’sDaughter always posts on my website at 2am on a Saturday.
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Although I’m pretty sure you’re joking, whorefinder, I’m suddenly a mite paranoid that someone’s been impersonating me on your website. Are you getting comments from anyone purporting to be me? Because I’ve never posted there.
Yours in RAPE,
RD
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You shouldn’t get blacked out so much.
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Did you just say “black” in a whorefinder thread, corvinus? You know that’s like standing in front of the mirror and saying “Bloody Mary” three times in a row.
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[Muuhhuhahaha]
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Never mind; I just went and looked on your blog and it seems you were indeed joking. Good work: You got me!
I was very disappointed in the lack of CLOWN RAPE there, by the way. I was really hoping for some Pennywise graphics at a minimum. I suppose I’ll just have to make do with my imagination.
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hey beta males, this is relevant to the alpha males knocking up your drunk gf/wife:
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001520
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I don’t have to read this study. The reason cuckolded males will provide paternal care is it is their beta way of hoping to get *some* sex, some day, some times. Even twice a year from a woman who has kids from another man is better than nothing at all.
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Wtf? How is being cuckolded and sticking around advantageous?
Dude if you get cheated on you are pretty much omega/beta for life. You can never be alpha, the same way a man without arms can’t be a warrior. Contest me, go on.
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Yes. What’s your point. You are not refuting my statement. Many men are, indeed, lower beta/omega and this is the best they can do: sex twice a year with woman with kids from another man. Still better–for them–than nothing–which is their alternative. So sticking around with a 38 year old butterface with a decent body who will let you fuck her twice a year is advantageous–for some pathetic men–because it leads to sex twice per year, which is more than zero times per year.
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I was not contesting you, I was contesting the study. They are saying that it is sometimes advantageous for cuckolded men to stick around. It didnt really say how, though.
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I’d prefer sex zero times per year, but with my paycheck and my dignity intact, than twice a year in such a humiliating situation. Show some self-respect, omegas!
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In other words, you are simply observing the fact that not all men can be alphas or anything close to alpha. In fact, few men are alpha. Saying it is advantageous for some lower beta/omega men to do something that leads to sex twice per year with a woman with a decent body is not claiming that these men have any chance of escaping being omega/beta for life.
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I am also saying if you have been cheated on, you will never be alpha no matter how much game material you read
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*I am also saying that if you have been cheated on you will never be alpha, no matter how much game material you read/learn
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This blog is devoted to men lifting the blinders from their eyes and living their lives to the fullest they are able. Guess what? Your strong biological drive to spread your genes often results in suffering and premature death. And, in the long run, so what. You, your children, and your distinctive genetic combinations will be extinct. Does it give you comfort knowing that in 10,000 years scientists (perhaps non-human) may detect a slightly increased frequency of a genetic combination you possess today in some archaic species? Isn’t it better to enjoy your life (That 80 year span you have a chance to be aware) than to worry about your genetic contribution to the next generation?
It is fully agreed that a cuckolded man working hard to support his “children” is a pathetic sight, but, if he never knows about it, he really doesn’t suffer. I don’t recommend this to anybody, however. But never forget, your genes are deaf and dumb, and unconscious. It is all just chemical evolution. Don’t take it too seriously.
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Personally I do it to get hot pussy wrapped around my cock between deployments, not so much spreading my seed across the globe.
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Based on what the reader sent to heartiste, I think there are other things worth mentioning, all consistent with what I think were the readers intentions:
1. it’s not the worst thing in the world if a girl gives you her number when she’s drunk, or makes out with you, when she’s drunk, but then elects to flake on dates, or refuses to return texts.
2. If a girl gives you a fake number when she’s drunk, or refuses to give you her number, then that is MUCH worse than the girl giving you a real number and flaking.
3. constantly needing to get your girl drunk or high before she’s willing to have sex isn’t that bad either. Rappers, athletes and rock stars wallow in champagne and drugs at all hours of the day. So do their groupies.
4. I don’t think he’s saying she has to be vomiting drunk, but happy drunk. Some of the truth serum will hit after the first drink.
5. this is all relative not absolute. It doesn’t have to be full lust or icy, either or extreme. If she likes you when she’s sober, then she values you as a companion or long-term partner. If she likes you when she’s drunk, then she thinks you’re sexy. Most eligible men have both. As long as there is not a giant imbalance, then the guy should have enough traits to keep her faithful.
6. maybe it’s better to try to meet up with girls by texting them at 11 or 12 am, than it is by trying to meet up with them before they go out, or by setting up dates, if you’re alpha.
As an aside, if you’re constantly closing drunk girls, then you should either write your own game blog, stop lying, or start modeling.
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“As an aside, if you’re constantly closing drunk girls, then you should either write your own game blog, stop lying, or start modeling.”
That’s not a tough feat. at all tho, all you gotta do when she is already drinking with you is NOT kill the buzz aka don’t be a killjoy
Now approaching a girl on the street…when she has somewhere to go…with everyone watching…in broad daylight…without alcohol
Oh god, my palms are sweating just thinking about it.
Also would you think being able to do one means you can do the other? (having lust after you drunk vs. sober I mean)
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“female promiscuity also has the potential to drive selection for reduced levels of paternal investment and may ultimately cause the breakdown of biparental breeding systems.”
I wonder what would happen if the federal government decided to incentivize female promiscuity or if slut shaming was considered a bad thing…
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*rhetorical* lmfao
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So what about a girl who seems uncomfortable drinking at all? I always sensed that these types –who know full well what their proclivities are– are trying to prevent letting the cat out of the bag by not drinking or drinking very lightly. Anyone familiar with this?
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Yes. I know two girls that are like this.
One of them turns into a raging hooker
The other drinks to oblivion (but no sluttiness)
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This gives me an idea for a separate-but-related post topic for CH, not that he needs my help. What is the deal with pretty, thin girls (7s and 8s) who DON’T DRINK AT ALL. I’ve been meeting lots of them on match.com, because I have my profile set to claim that I don’t mind if a girl doesn’t drink at all.
I went out with one and she admitted she does not drink because she once “did something very bad when she was drunk and younger.” I did not press the poor woman, but I took that to mean literally that she did a DUI manslaughter or something like that. This chick was a solid 8, especially for 35 with one kid (yes, that takes away points, but pretending there was no kid, she looked 28, 5’7”, 120 pounds, perfect legs, pretty face, bigtime exercise girl).
What’s up with these kinds of chicks and what is the alpha way to get them in bed?
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By the way, it might have been my beta, but the chick was stone cold nerdy, cold, and fucking needed a few drinks in her. Date did not end well. It went beta well, but she mistook my niceness, which comes from a position of true confidence, for beta. Fucking bitch had to get home early because she gets up to run at 5 AM every morning, and she would make no exception to this rule for our date. Flat out rude. The girl *needs* a few drinks and my weiner in her. If only she had known, I’m good in bed and I’d give her at least one orgasm before I finished.
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Seems like you’re the one feeling entitled here. You’re expecting someone to change their lifestyle habits for someone they just met? She’s rude? Give me a break, lol.
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Dude she gave herself a 10 pm curfew and ran home immediately after dinner. Yea doing dinner was a mistake but it was because I was hungry. She’s 35, divorced with a kid. My mannerisms are lower alpha with plenty of confidence and flirty sexiness. With that attitude she will Never find a man either for one night or LTR. Doesn’t drink at all, needs to, is cold, must get up to run at 5 am every day.
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I’m 34, don’t drink, divorced, have a child, and a nine o’clock curfew (this is because I am perpetually exhausted). A normal first date is just meeting someone for an hour or two. Men are *always* taken aback by the no drinking thing. If I’m a one drink drunk, how exactly am I supposed to drive back home? If she was cold, I guess, unfortunately, she didn’t like you, or she felt threatened. You might be underestimating what life is like as a divorced parent. You generally have to be responsible at all times. Not getting drunk should be a mark in her favor. And be glad she wants to exercise. I wonder what this bad thing she did was. It may have turned her into the control freak she is now. My excuse is that my ex-husband is an alcoholic, so I never got to let down my guard because he was always a mess. If you like her, figure out a situation where she could drink comfortably- you’re driving or at her house- and see what happens. Did you kiss her?
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see if you would of had her feed you at the table she would of been more relaxed did you have her feed you at the table
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With that attitude she will Never find a man either for one night or LTR.
wrong. a pretty 35-yo divorced woman who looks almost 10 years younger and is a solid 8 and is physically well-proportioned and fit, can EASILY find a man for a one night stand or ltr.
it’s just you were not that man.
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“the chick was stone cold nerdy, cold, and fucking needed a few drinks in her.”
me too. I never drink. Ever. Hated it for 10 years now. When I tried it made me sleepy and withdrawn and sort of cranky.
Some women don’t drink because it Interferes with medications. Women are more likely to take feel good pills and they are probably more likely to follow instructions when they are taking them.
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she mistook my niceness, which comes from a position of true confidence, for beta.
The girl *needs* a few drinks and my weiner in her.
If only she had known, I’m good in bed and I’d give her at least one orgasm before I finished.
see, if you’d gotten her to qualify herself to you the way you’re qualifying yourself to us now, you’d have had a much better chance of getting the bang.
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An 8 at 35? Divorced with a kid? Must have been a solid 10 15 years ago… Gimme a break. And she sounds like a ball-busting cunt.
I bet you her ex is a fun guy but also a total deadbeat. That’s why she now doesn’t like to have fun.
You can do better.
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My GF demands beta-tude when she’s drunk. Wants attention. Gets depressive. Alcohol is a depressive, not a stimulant. They need to be on the “up” to act as you say. When the depressive sinks in, they get all on the wrong end of their bipolar disorder and shit hits the fan. What you are really describing here is a cokehead.
BTW: party’s over.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-110197000-venereal-infections-us-nation-creating-new-stis-faster-new-jobs-or
Unless you are cherry picking 9’s, expect to get diseased.
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Did they provide a racial breakdown or is that too much of an unpopular truth for the MSM?
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There are also over 100 million blacks and Hispanics in the country now…
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They did not provide a racial breakdown. I don’t want to have that particular search show up on my work computer, but I know I’ve seen them, and the numbers are significantly lower for Asian and white populations than they are for black populations. If I recall correctly, they’re less than half in terms of sheer numbers, and when balanced against the disproportionate size of the populations, statistically a huge difference.
Another item of comfort for you men should be that the most prevalent one, HPV, is relatively harmless in males. It’s basically just a virus that causes warts; most people clear the virus on their own (frequently without ever knowing they had it). In women, some strains can cause cervical cancer, but…you’re not women.
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Dr. Drew was saying there is a link to mouth and throat cancer from HPV in men. Though im not a huge fan of getting vaccinated, the HPV vaccines only vaccinate for a few strands of the virus and there are hundreds if not thousands of strands. bottom line is, if your a guy and have had unprotected with a woman you probably are a carrier of some strand of HPV.
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Dr. Drew was saying there is a link to mouth and throat cancer from HPV in
menfaggots.FTFY
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dig
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Gay men have the highest rates of venerial disease.
I have occasionally managed to read – without throwing up – a few articles about their lifestyle and a lot of them have sex with 20 different men in one night at some bath house.
I should have saved the links as I know some people refuse to believe this.
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@anonYmous:
I get tested every 6 months just because I’m a Safety Girl. And because HPV and HSV can be spread via the kind of skin-to-skin contact that condoms do not protect against.
My GYN says: “HPV and HSV are endemic. You should simply assume that everyone you meet has one, the other, or both.”
Even, yes, virgins. You can get HPV from fingering. Like most people who have it, I contracted HSV-1 (oral herpes) as a child, from casual contact with family members. Both of my parents have it; I probably got it from sharing utensils or a good-night peck on the lips. I don’t remember ever NOT having had it.
It’s a pain in the ass. If I spike a fever or go under a period of extended stress, I’m going to have a flare. It’s painful and annoying. It goes away in a week. The difference between the two strains is that they market remedies to me on prime-time TV. HSV-2, the genital kind, gets treated as if it were somehow different. The scarlet H.
It isn’t. It’s virtually identical on a DNA level to the regular old “cold sores” that are totally OK to discuss in polite company. It’s just that HSV-2 tends to prefer to hide out in the ganglion at the base of your spine instead of the ganglion at the base of your medulla (like HSV-1 does). But ask any doctor: You can get either strain, or both, in either place. Oh,and there are a LOT of asymptomatic carriers; people who have never had any symptoms and have no reason to believe they have it or could give it to you.
The good news is that a) if you have or have had either HSV or HPV, you are in the majority, not the minority; and b) neither one of them is likely to kill you. Cervical and mouth cancers attributable to HPV are extremely treatable; HSV (of either kind, oral or genital) is not fatal.
You pays your money and you places your bets. That’s life.
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you could of just bought me a drink…
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The real issue is gays. They have much higher rates. Either way, you all swim in the same cesspool. The sexual market is like mass transit. It is public. You can’t wall off elements of the population. That nice college girl could be a call girl, have an ex who was bi or like black guys. Sex is now russian roulette. Game over. Get married and have kids. The glory days of the playboy male are long gone.
Even if you get past the STD’s, single women have epic psychological problems nowadays. This is all a dead-end black hole lifestyle. It wasn’t that way in the 70’s, but it is now.
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Last time I checked the HIV rate in order of decreasing frequency:
Black Male, Black Female, White Female, White male.
They love to talk about racial disparities, but they hate to publish this information.
This includes gay men. So, white straight guys have a very low rate of HIV. That’s why we are called stuffy white males and they make us pay to treat their diseases.
Throw in the crime stats, and you get some idea of what this country would be like if certain ethnic groups were someplace else.
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Throw in the crime stats, and you get some idea of what this country would be like if certain ethnic groups were someplace else.
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Yeah, you mean like gunning down class rooms full of 1st graders?
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The people sex most infrequently would naturally be the ones catching STD’s most infrequently.
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Niki from 3 point range…
Swoosh!
nothin but net!
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It really depends on the mood you’re in when you start drinking and while you’re drinking. Alcohol just amplifies that.
As for the STI thing, you’d probably need to break it down by sexual orientation and race to get a decent risk assessment. It’s a conservative news site, of course they are going to try to scare you into the married lifestyle.
If you are a white heterosexual male, not an IV drug user and don’t have anal sex with crackwhores you are pretty safe from HIV. Most others are curable or manageable. If you don’t use a condom the greatest risk is still getting a girl pregnant.
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I’ve recently had the extreme pleasure of finding myself on a date with a woman who actually became MORE uptight and weird as she drank. For example (and these things really happened), as I moved in next to her on the sofa and put my arm around her shoulder, her conversation quickly and non sequitur-ly shifted from her work as a special ed teacher to her “hypersensitive gag reflex.” Five minutes later, and just as unexpectedly out of the blue, she says, “I hate snakes… Like, I REALLY hate snakes.”
I HATE SNAKES, she tells me. I HAVE A HYPERSENSITIVE GAG REFLEX, she says. And this after three and a half glasses of wine.
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Dump her. That’s an order, sport.
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Done and done.
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This is the funniest thing that I have read all day. I hope to god that you then unzipped your fly and mashed your cock into her gaping maw whilst shouting “SNAKE, SWEET JESUS, A SNAKE!” and timed how long it took before she vomited up your anaconda.
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I did what any gentleman of class would do: went to the kitchen to get her a refill, then lovingly dangled my balls in her wine glass as I poured.
However, I very much like your suggestion, and it will definitely be mentally filed away should I ever find myself in a similar situation.
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lol
http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/gabrielle-giffords-husband-at-center-of-bizarre-scene-involving-bulldog-and-sea-lion-pup/
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Namely, that women will always be a society’s weak underbelly, precisely because [by and large] women have no innate sense of morality, and thus women will always do as they are told.
Good point.
Just about every system of morality and ethics has been invented by men. About the only system invented by a woman was Objectivism (Ayn Rand). And Objectivism is not high up their on the feminazi reading list.
We can see what has happened to Western society as women become a political-cultural force: chiefly, a breakdown of traditional morality and with it, the family. The irony is that many Western women wonder why men do not want to get married. Yet it is the feminizt policies promoted by females and their sellout male enablers which have wrecked the value of marriage for a man as well as making increasing numbers of women repugnant to any sane guy.
So we end up with more illegitimate children. And an expanded welfare state. And dystopian inner cities with gang violence. And decadent exurbs with a disintegrating middle class chasing a disappearing American Dream.
In place of real morality and philosophy, feminizm becomes a dominating ideology. America in the 21st century manifests the values of single females–mindless consumerism, skyrocketing debt; obsession with “drama” over serious politics; collapsing infrastructure (it takes a man to keep those roads running); the growth of a de facto police state (females value security over liberty).
Even the endless war in Afghanistan is a symptom. A feminized society lacks the decisiveness to either bring the war to a ruthless conclusion, or to order a withdrawal. Instead, the fighting drags on like some endless soap opera.
Well, I suppose among the rubble, those who understand female psychology will gain access to numerous vaginae…
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You’re all wrong, the real preferences of drunk girls is right here http://www.brobible.com/life/article/worlds-most-wtf-worthy-tattoo
loooool
Should have been a unicorn though 😉
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My Little Bone-y
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Mister Head
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lulz
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Hella dumb. No alpha will want her after that, ever. Say hello to the omegas. (Omegas wave hello)
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The Girl with the Gaggin’ Tattoo
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+1
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Women’s instincts for alpha calibrated by liberation in technological ex-civilization is soooo rotten. Let her have her stand-in unicorn: the psyche she is is not a woman’s for the ranchiest of social utilities. The human garbage can’t die under their own societal weight fast enough. I fear to see how low women can morph on this decline, or what the childrenz will become ruined on orgies and voting rights, which is now beginning.
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the article says it’s a tattoo of a woman screwing a horse. that is wrong. the woman is merely blowing the horse.
bj’s are not real sex.
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That depends on your definition of what “is” is.
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If you’re not getting drunk dialed or drunk texts then you’re giving your number to the wrong girls, or you’re not alpha.
Said differently, if she responds to you when she’s drunk (read: tipsy not plastered) then you’re at least slightly alpha.
If she initiates the contact when she’s drunk, then you’re 100% alpha.
If a girl tells you the next day she didn’t respond to your texts because she was blacked out, keep reading game blogs.
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good point
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I still get texts from girls I broke off with. They usually come in around 9-2 on Friday and Saturday nights. If I feel like goofing off, I might respond with some laconic game and some teasing.
The next morning the girl will always reframe and pass it off as just seeing how I was doing. Next time I’m in the area code of a particular one, I might just let her talk me into coming over. Let’s see her reframe when she’s making me breakfast.
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I was reminiscing the other day about how my most prolific cocksman days were when I was going out drinking 5 nights a week and running the most nasty asshole game of my life. Girls I would only address once or twice all night (as I was focused more on getting drunk) would slip me their number on the way out the door and say “you should call me sometime”. The drunk id theory puts it more into perspective as to why I was so successful at that time.
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Best time I ran it, when some girl I was seeing said something along the lines when I started to undress her of “no, honey, not right now” i swept all of her belongs off the shelf with a crash and began to walk out the door.
She immediately panicked, stopped me from leaving, and proceeded to blow me.
Ah, memories.
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And of course, the #1 reason why a girl will have sex while she is drunk:
Future deniability for her choices.
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One girl I know pretty much ONLY texts me for wang when she is drunk. It’s always kindof annoyed me; like she only wants me when she is drunk. But she is very Catholic, so I think future deniability plays a role.
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I’ve noticed a pattern that shows the converse of this. The more a woman blabs about “empowerment,” the more she will act carelessly and irresponsibly when she gets sh!tfaced in public.
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There are two mating strategies. One is low-to-moderate IQ, promiscuous, impulsive, “liberal,” extroverted, narcissistic (self-centered), not altruistic, lots of kids, doesn’t take very good care of them. This is generally called “r.”
This is the Drunk Girl mating strategy.
The second is called “K” and it is high IQ, monogamous, not impulsive, “conservative,” introverted, fewer kids, takes good care of them.
This is the Sober Girl mating strategy.
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1) The main reason most people drink alcohol is to lose their inhibitions. But doing that is basically a process of shutting down their fear of judgement. So the alcohol basically shuts down their awareness to give them tunnel vision so they’re concerned with less and less of the world around them until they’re only focused on what’s right in front of them, and it shuts down their brain till they’re living in the present moment as it happens. Whereas someone who’s sober will stress a million hypothetical futures that could result from their actions, and they’re acutely aware/worried about what all the people around them will think of their actions.
Alcohol also provides them a fail-safe excuse for if they do cross any lines too far, where they can blame the alcohol for their actions/feelings instead of taking personal responsibility for them, which allows them to escape even their OWN judgement of THEMSELVES and the can of worms that that honest self-reflection could open up (the religious chick who feels guilty about being horny and sluts it up when she drinks, the husband who pretends to be happy in his marriage but after enough drinks pulls younger guys aside to warn them never to get married, etc.).
This fear of judgement controls a lot of human interaction. It’s why a lot of nerds are shy in social settings (fear of strangers who they often perceive as having higher value, judging them), but outgoing amongst their nerdly friends (smack-talking over videogames etc., no fear of judgement from their close friends). It’s why a girl will act classy and reserved when she’s sober around her friends/family (fear of judgement), then suck a bunch of dicks in a bathroom on mardi gras vacation (no fear of judgement in that party atmosphere). It’s why a wife will have plain boring vanilla sex with her Provider beta husband (fear of judgement, if she asks him to choke her and he gets weirded out, her long-term life-plans are flushed down the toilet), then cheat on him with an alpha badboy One Night Stand who choke-fucks her in the ass and makes her scream that she’s a dirty litle whore (no fear of judgement, if he doesn’t want to see her again that’s fine, he’s just a casual fuck for her and it won’t affect her life-plans). It’s why the big tough MMA guy gets in a guy’s face at the bar over something stupid (fear of judgement that everyone will think he’s a pussy if he doesn’t stand up to disrespect), and why a girl he wants to bang in his group begging him to calm down will calm him down (fear of her judgement of him because he’s hoping to fuck her someday).
Fear of judgement is interwoven through all sorts of social dynamics and alcohol is a good way to take care of it.
That said, if you can create an environment where the person you’re talking to feels like either you won’t judge them, or that your judgement of them isn’t something they should care about, they will say/do/admit things that even their closest life-time friends and family members would never believe. On top of that, if you can ALSO provide them with a fail-safe excuse to fall back on, well, then you REALLY have a receipe for witnessing the fucked up side of humanity.
Girls open up to me because I create a non-judgemental (sexually) environment. It’s in my entire vibe, from the moment they meet me. I’ll talk about sexual topics, I’ll flirt shamelessly, I don’t apologize for my sexuality, I’ll purposely do things that set the tone of “it’s safe to let loose here, no one will judge us for it”, I create an “us VS them” frame with the girl where I talk about how other people are prudish and uptight about sex and how I think that’s lame, I ask inappropriate sexual questions but in a casual socially vibing way where it’s not a big deal to me like it would be for most people, it’s in my stating up front that I’m not long-term material so they know if we hook up it’s just a fling, etc.
So right from the start the girl knows “this is a guy I can let my slutty side loose with and he won’t judge me”. Then on top of that, when we hang out we’re usually at a bar so she has a couple drinks in her, or if I have her over and we haven’t actually fucked before, I’ll offer her a drink or two. The funny part to me is that often they only needs literally ONE sip of a drink and then they’ll 180 from closed off and reserved to open and sexual and jump my bones (wasting the rest of the drink, booooo, stupid girls)…it’s like a switch in their brain is flipped that says “okay, now we can say “we were drinking and it just happened” or “that’s not me, I was drinking”…so let’s go crazy!”
My point here is that you should focus on learning to build this kind of connection with girls (and people in general), because it’ll serve you much better in the longrun than relying on getting them drunk to let loose. It’s pretty satisfying when a girl you’ve just met, is doing fucked up crazy kinky shit with you, willingly and totally sober, the first time you fuck. Plus there’s no hangover, and none of the bullshit that can often come along with drinking (barfing, drama, wasting money, regret, sloppiness, whiskey-dick, etc.).
I had a friend who literally didn’t believe it was possible to get laid without alcohol. Like that a girl would have sex with him without them drinking. It was so outside of his reality that he didn’t believe me when I told him most of my lays are either stone-cold sober or at the most buzzed. He thought I was just fucking with him lol
That was kind of sad to me because it kind of implies that he didn’t value himself enough to believe and expect that girls would want to fuck him while straight-up sober.
2) I don’t hit on drunk chicks. If they hit on me, I’ll flirt a bit for fun, but with zero intention of trying to seduce them or take them home or even go for a number or anything. Buzzing is okay, but if they venture into Tipsy, I’ll flat-out tell them to switch to drinking water, or I’ll get them a water myself and drink one with her. If she gets too drunk, I’ll lose interest because then the negative parts of drinking start popping their head up (having to babysit her, drama getting blown out of proportion, her coordination being sloppy (especially in heels), my humor goes over her head, other guys start seeing her as easier prey, her barfing or passing out on me in bed, false rape accusations, etc.).
It’s always sad to me when a shy girl gets herself shit-faced to loosen up enough to flirt with me. ’cause I might’ve been into her if she had just had a little more confidence and been able to flirt earlier, but once she’s all stumbly it’s like “ah, shit, I wish I had met you half an hour ago, sorry” and I have to shoot her down. But a lot of girls think the drunker they are, the more the guy will be into them, etc. It’s all just a shitty spiral.
It’s all even more compounded when I’m sober or only buzzing, which is often how I do my gaming, because then I look like the sober creeper trying to take advantage of a hammered chick. I had a fuckbuddy show up at a club I was at once, and we made plans to go home together, but we went off and did our thing and when I found her at 2 she was suuuuper drunk and sloppy. If she were a random I’d’ve just left her, but because we had a little history and plans for the night, I took her home mostly just to keep her away from the creepers and out of trouble (I knew any sex we had was going to be shitty with her in that state so I was just being a nice dude lol).
I remember the judgemental looks on the faces of the bouncers, coat-check girl, cabbie, etc. as they all gave me the stink-eye because I was stone cold sober that night and she was blatantly falling over hammered. I had to mention to each of them “don’t worry, I’m not some random guy, we know eachother and I’m just getting her home safe tonight, she just had too many drinks in there” with a smile to assuage their suspicions. It was a pretty shitty feeling in general but a totally understandable judgement on their part.
Sadly, I’ve known and seen lots of guys who consider that tactic their bread & butter…wait till near last or after last-call and then find the drunkest girl around and try to badger her into getting into a cab with them. It’s super creepy to me and crosses some moral lines in my mind.
3) Combining points 1 and 2, because of that whole non-judgemental thing I do, alcohol actually makes things more tricky for me in terms of Buyer’s Remorse and possible false rape accusations etc. because a sober girl’s emotions will be relatively stable and I can make sure we have some time for the after-care and I can get her in a good state and feeling good about what we did. But nothing is scarier than the drunk chick who falls asleep right after sex, then wakes up and is too hungover to really chat and just kind of makes a bee-line for the door as reality comes crashing down on her and she starts thinking about all the consequences she wasn’t thinking about when she was shitfaced and she grabs her phone going “omg omg omg my BF is going to kill me omg I can’t believe I did that I have to go omg” and is out the door before I can calm her down and chill her out about what she willingly chose to do the night before.
…ESPECIALLY if we got into a bunch of 50 Shades of Grey type shit that night because of the non-judgemental frame I set. So she didn’t just “sleep with” a guy. She did fucked up degrading shit with a guy that left all sorts of marks on her body she can’t hide etc. (tho I try not to leave marks in areas that are hard to cover up).
THAT’S the scary-ass shit right there, where you think “shit, is she going to pull a false rape accusation to avoid getting in trouble with her BF?” Especially if she doesn’t return your txts afterward so you can get a safety txt (“I had fun too 🙂 can’t wait till next time!” or whatever, that could save your ass against a FRA). And you run all the calculations in your head and you’re like “shit, she’s going to have handcuffs marks and choking marks, and I’ll have scratches so it looks like she fought back, etc. etc.”
With a sober chick who you can convince to talk about this stuff over txts and not feel guilty for doing it and manage her emotions in a predictable way and not make her feel embarrassed to return your txts afterward, etc. you can handle this all pretty smooth and build up a lot of evidence toward your innocence if it all went to court.
It doesn’t hurt to protect yourself in those situs. I open my audio recording app on my phone and leave it nearby if I’m not feeling 100% sure about the chick. I’d rather go to trial for unauthorized audio recording that saves my ass than for a false rape accusation.
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Anyway, those are my thoughts on drunk chicks. On the flip-side of all that, when you’re WITH a girl (like she’s a regular fuckbuddy or your girlfriend/fiance/wife/etc.), getting drunk and having drunk-sex together can be a blast.
And I think the Op has a legit point about how your girl acts when she’s drunk. Most of my fuckbuddies just get hornier for me when they drink, because I screen for that and I stay on top of my game to keep them attracted to me and thinking about me when they’re out with the girls. I get the occasional fuckbuddy who will be out drinking and we have plans to go home together, but she’ll make it difficult and flirt with other girls or be distant or closed off or introduce too many obstacles etc. but I don’t have much patience for that so they don’t last long in my rotation. And then there are some girls where our fuckbuddy situ is SO casual that I know that unless I’m actively txting them that night or I’m in the same bar as them, they’re doing their own thing.
I don’t really mind any of those 3 types, they all have their pros and cons. The big con for the girl who gets horny for you when she drinks is that she’s the type that will get attached the fastest and you’ll hit The Ultimatum (“date me for real or I can’t do this anymore, I like you too much”) the soonest with them…which is great if they’re your girlfriend or an LTR or whatever lol, which is why I agree with the Op’s point. But if you’re trying to play the harem game, that can be a signal to be a little more aloof and let her feelings cool down a bit to keep the casual relationship going longer.
Most of the girls with boyfriends/fiances/husbands that I’ve banged have only txted/called their boyfriend after we’ve fucked, not while we’re out and about. So if your chick is on a Girl’s Night Out and you don’t hear anything from her after 9pm until you get a txt at 3am saying “I’m so drunk I’m crashing at Susan’s love you baby xoxoxo”, she’s probably just finished riding another guy’s cock. But if she’s txting you at midnight saying “I’m so drunk miss you baby wish you were here xoxoxo”, she’s probably faithful.
Also ask her to put her friend on the phone if she calls you. If she says her friend is passed out or in the bathroom, it’s probably because her friend isn’t there. Because she’s not with her friend. She’s with a guy, and he’s fingering her while she talks to you because that’s funny to him.
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I’ve got a Q. There’s a girl who’s an aide in one of my classes. Never really talk to her, but I’ve said hey once or twice, and I’d catch her staring pretty often. So I’m at my desk the other day, and she walks in. As she passes me, I say, “Hey O. Write your number down for me.” She says, “My number?” kind of surprised. So I say yes, and keep it at that. Class starts, and I chill out. Then she waits for me at the end of class and gives it to me. I text her late in the evening, and keep the exchange short and sweet. One solid question or two. So I ask her one solid one, and she asks the same thing back. I say, “Ah, I’m tired. Tell ya tomorrow.” I approached her before class started today, and gave my answer. I was a little nervous, but no big deal. Then I get someone else texting me saying the girl suddenly thinks I’m a creep. WTF? Where did I go wrong here? (Note: she and I are the same age. High school)
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Flat-out ignore her until she hits you up.
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Alright, so before the other girl told me about the other thinking I was a creep, I sent her a quick text after school. Just a, “Hey girl.” Anyway, she texts me this evening and says, “sry. i was at soccer.” I didn’t say anything back. About 10 minutes later, I get another text from her that says, “Oh, I’ve been talking to a guy. Just sayin.” to which I replied, “What are you even talking about?” she answered with, “well nevermind then!” and I left it at that. I would say that my response was a solid neg unto itself, and a well-deserved one on her part. There wasn’t a time when I ever really said I was interested in her at all or anything, so I think I ended it pretty solidly. Your take?
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Update: I didn’t say anything past my, “What are you even talking about?” Well after her nevermind, I still didn’t respond, and five minutes later, I get a text from her saying, “sry I’m going to bed… See you tomrw.”
Am I right in thinking this is a pretty good sign, especially since I basically left her with nothing but silence?
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That wasn’t too bad. You’re still in the game at least (otherwise she wouldn’t text you three times), but you do need more IOIs from her.
A “creep” vibe may be thought of as the “I really want her but I’m unsure of myself” vibe. One thing I would do is read all the back CH articles and let them sink in, so as you begin to understand the correct alpha attitude and solid frame, as opposed to giving off the “creep” vibe.
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What he^ said. Also, next time you see a girl staring at you in class, make faces at her. (You learned a lot of game in kindergarten, you just didn’t know it)
Also girls are cliquey. If you didn’t win her friends over first, they’re going to rain on your parade. They don’t like that their friendykins might have a man, especially if they don’t. I’m assuming the in-group talking about “creepiness” originated there.
High school’s kind of a dumb place. College is the tits by comparison. In HS you’re locked in a building with insane hormonal freaks for 6 hours a day. If this particular girl doesn’t come around, don’t worry about it. If you keep gaming, your reputation will inevitably go up and she’ll be embarrassed by her behavior and any and all accusations of “creepiness” will dissipate.
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Dude, tell me about it. My game is getting better and better everywhere but school is definitely the hardest. I’ve been with these people for years. :p
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sometimes things can happen that make no sense and u are sol, the thing to keep in mind is it takes lots of practice to know how to read things and calibrate as yareally says. so dont take it too seriously and just play around with it. You are not at the point where ignoring her is gonna work, just keep talking to lots of girls and eventually you will figure things out. The main things to work on are outcome independence, emotional unavability, and to flirt in a sexual manner using plausible deniability and double entandres(a fancy way of saying thats what she said)
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never dated chicks in my school
my daygame was monster though I would walk up to any chick anywhere and get the number
usually went to mall to pick up or met chicks through friends
talked on phone for hours with some of them
hottest chicks I have gotten in my life though have came after me
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went to 4 proms 4 deferent chicks good times
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was it a beta-orbiter or a girlfriend of hers that told you this?
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It was a girl friend. But, the girl I took interest in, we’ll call her “O”, also texted me saying she was talking to another guy.
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Basically you’ve known all these people for years and then all of a sudden you’re Mr. Cool Guy like “write your number down” “hey girl”. It’s incongruent with who they know. For the record, creepiness is giving romantic attention to someone who isn’t attracted to you. You aren’t nearly as smooth as you think you are.
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I’ve always been popular at school. I just haven’t been in the dating game until recently. So it does match up with my outgoingness.
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What makes you so sure girls don’t get drunk to dull their alpha-detection modules to create more false positives. This hypothesis coheres better with common experience; when you’re drunk, statements and events seem cooler than they would if you weren’t, people too. Also, consider the phrase ‘beer goggles’…
Obviously hypergamy is still in effect , it’s just less precise… kind of sloppy.
My guess is that in some contexts women use alcohol to dull their alpha-detection modules to experience a simulation of seduction and sex by/with an alpha male, while in other contexts they use alcohol to aggressively pursue sex with a male they were already attracted to. The fact that lots of women go to bars to meet strange men suggests that the first function is the more common of the two.
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You also notice that it’s the uglier women who get sloppy drunk in bars
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[…] The Revealed Preferences Of Drunk Girls […]
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Alfie clip in the CH Twitter is rock-solid. Doesn’t say a word, but says volumes with his body-language. First glance is a quick flicker “huh, what’s that, something over there, hmm…” Second glance is a little slower check-out and “hey, wait, a chick, she’s not bad…” Third glance and full attention is an unashamedly slow taking in of her body with an “I think I’d like to ravage that.” like a hungry tiger sizing up a steak. Then holding eye-contact unapologetically for a little longer than he needs to, and through the back-turn as if his eyes are drawn to her and he has to tear them away.
I use this style a lot to warm up a chick from a distance if we make eyes, and learned it from this movie and playing this scene over and over before going out to the bar lol When I was an AFC/beta, I was scared to look at a woman’s body (because women aren’t sexual objects you know!!!11) and terrified that I would be caught doing it (since you should be ashamed of your sexuality and sexual desires, men are pigs!!!111).
Great movie with some good lessons in it about “the player lifestyle” (good and bad lessons). Tho I wish they had gotten a hot cougar to play the “hot cougar” lol Cringed the whole time at her scenes. Saw the original version too, but Jude Law’s character was more likeable/relatable to me than Caine’s.
Actually, as I think about it, I think it’s because Jude’s version seemed to love women more in general, whereas Caine’s seemed to think they were all worthless shit…and I think that’s a distinction that happens in real life too. Some of the best guys with women that I know, hate them and have a lot of bitterness toward them. And a lot of guys who get burned by women and take the Red Pill after being burned have that chip on their shoulder. Rollo’s recent blog articles over at rationalmale.com have had some good discussion on that. I relate more to Jude’s character because I just love women in general, even with their faults.
“God, I love this city. All right, girls. Just look around. I mean, every one of them, unique, special, like snowflakes. And with such a plethora…how could a man ever choose to settle down with just one? I myself subscribe more to the European philosophy of life. My priorities leaning towards wine, women…Well, actually, that’s about it. Wine and women. Although, women and women is always a fun option. To live life to the fullest, I require only enough to cover my modest expenses. I’ve no desire to be the richest stiff in the cemetery.” – Alfie
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So uh you like this movie then? Lol
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lol ya. It was influential to me. The mainstream media didn’t have a lot of red pill type stuff in it back then (compared to now where we have Barney on HIMYM spitting game theory and Judd Apatow movies and Keys to the VIP etc) so stuff like Alfie and Fight Club and were little red pill gems to discover.
Alfie was the first movie for me that (in the 1st half at least) made the lifestyle of going from woman to woman and not running the corporate rat race like other suckers, look fun and exciting and highlit a lot of the good aspects, instead of making it seem like being a player and unapologetically liking sex is shameful and wrong like I had been socially conditioned to believe all my life up till I found Game.
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Hornypaws! XD
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In vino veritas. In wine there is truth.
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I am looking thru you…
Your lips are moving
I cannot hear
Your voice is soothing, but the words aren’t clear
You don’t sound different, I’ve learnt the GAME.
I am looking thru you, you are not the same.
The Beatles – Rubber Soul- 1966.
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yea learnt the game
still fun to play though
everything’s a game
you may be right get on stage
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Get on stage.
!!!
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the ultimate validation- drunken, “i’m horny, you wanna come over” texts. i LOVE those.
a drunk person says what a saober person thinks.
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Maybe you have watched a magic sunrise or sunset from the top of Mt.. Bonnell. Maybe you lost your virginity with one of Bob Dylans old girl-friends.
It all means fukall compared to hearing Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band in its entirety before your 20th birthday.
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SPLHCB was my favorite of theirs. And Bob Dylan was the greatest ever.
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When I was 15 years old I was die-ing to get a good clean E flat out of a 30 dollar solid body electric guitar.
I did, by and bye.
Her name was Julie.
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The Beatles -,John, Paul, George, and Ringo collectively point the way towards how to escape from living-out fore-doomed beta – loserdom
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Lettuce be cereal!!! Made me lol.
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Haha there’s one girl in my social circle who is all over me when she’s drunk (we’ve banged a few times) but is somewhat apathetic when sober.
OT LOL: http://www.upworthy.com/this-womans-beef-with-prettiness-will-leave-you-speechless
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If she’s being sarcastic that’s kinda funny. If not, then she’s been pumped and dumped WAYYY too many times.
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I made it to about 30 seconds into that video before I had a gun in my mouth.
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then…. i am a certified beta.
well , its a start.
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“Maybe the female Neanderthal was raped by the male human?” some may ask. Dunno bout that. Thals are strong. More likely, she raped him. 27 minutes ago ”””””””””
yea she prob raped him
I am been almost raped or raped enough times by human chicks to know
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re: neanderthal rape.
Why is it that the savages, when visited by more civilized conquerors always assume that their women were raped by the clean, articulate, technologically superior visitors?
Sure, ms. neanderthal wasn’t impressed with homo sapien’s alpha use of fire and flint arrow heads?
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Neanderthals had considerably larger brains than moderns. Besides, they are not extinct. All non africans have Neanderthal DNA. In many individuals that component is probably the biggest single genetic differentiating factor.
Think of A. Einstein. Look at a picture of him.
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All non africans have Neanderthal DNA
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All humans have chimp DNA; what are you trying to say?
Show me some “Neanderthal DNA” and what it does?
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[…] The revealed preferences of drunk girls. […]
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Crap – as I remember it – I picked up a very drunk, very sexy, very willing woman – I must have been living in my Alpha-ness that night! But that was over 18 years ago…both the Alpha-ness and the Sexy left lots of years ago. But I am one of the lucky ones, because she decided my “anger” had destroyed our marriage and our family – and she just couldn’t take it anymore. Well, my Beta-infused mind was destroyed, then as I shed my tears for the “love and life” that was lost – it must of drained the Beta-tude from me also – as I slowly regain that old Alpha-ness from days gone by – bring on the drunk chicks again (but this time, I will be fully wrapped and sheathed).
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