This post could just as relevantly be titled “When Beta Males Miraculously Get It Right.”
Before we get to the “how”, we should answer the “why” of treating a beautiful woman like a plain woman. Recall Poon Commandment X:
X. Ignore her beauty
The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle — through positive experiences with so many beautiful women they lose their awe of beauty and, in turn, their powerlessness under its spell. It will help you acquire the right frame of mind to stop using the words hot, cute, gorgeous, or beautiful to describe girls who turn you on. Instead, say to yourself “she’s interesting” or “she might be worth getting to know”. Never compliment a girl on her looks, especially not a girl you aren’t fucking. Turn off that part of your brain that wants to put them on pedestals. Further advanced training to reach this state of unawed Zen transcendence is to sleep with many MANY attractive women (try to avoid sleeping with a lot of ugly women if you don’t want to regress). Soon, a Jedi lover you will be.
Beautiful women LOVE LOVE LOVE to be treated by men as if they are plain-looking women. Beautiful women love this treatment because it serves as evidence that the man who treats them this way is an alpha male who has such an easy time getting laid with other beautiful women that he doesn’t feel any need to impress them. He can “just be himself”. 😆
A beautiful woman writes off a man seeking her approval almost as quickly as a man writes off an ugly woman flirting with him.
Now that you know the “why”, here’s the “how”:
As stated above, never compliment beautiful women on their looks, and never think of them in terms of their looks. But these are small tricks of brain, fore and hind, that pale in comparison to the effectiveness of treating beautiful women PLAYFULLY, like they’re bratty little girls with cooties.
Next time you’re out, try to find some beta males with their homely girlfriends. You won’t have to search for long. Observe them in the wild for a bit, and you’ll notice something. More than a handful of those beta males act charmingly ALPHA with their plain janes. For some mysterious, magical reason, these betas are able to relax like an alpha boss, and tease their bland girlfriends until the girls are giggling and smiling.
These betas, in other words, are contextually alpha. Does that mean they’re alpha males? No. For that, they’d need to be as carefree and reckless and cocky with cute girls as they are with their homely halves. As it stands, the betas are merely accidental alphas.
But this is where you can learn something from a cool beans beta. Watch how he acts with the fugs, and act that way with the babes. It’s a naturally aloof attitude coupled with playful behavior. The aloof attitude has been discussed at CH many times, so here we’ll focus on those playful tactics that win girls over, (and incidentally raise your sexual market value vis-á-vis hers, nourishing her vagina to full bloom).
Playfulness Tactics
– the “stop hitting yourself” game
– surprise kicking her in the butt as you walk side by side
– making over-the-top phony facial expressions indicating rapt attention or wide-eyed curiosity
– cutting in front of her in lines
– jumping in a puddle to get her wet
– asking if she’d like another ten ice cream bars
– composing a ridiculously inane poem for her, and delivering it with stentorian gravitas
– putting her hand on your arm, and then accusing her of raping you
– grabbing her purse and hanging it from a branch high in a tree
– going in for the kiss with BBQ sauce all over your face
– taking it the extra step and smearing her face
– the “say everything she says” game (gets annoying delightfully fast)
– making fun of her insatiable horniness (this is projecting women’s own teasing preferences back onto them)
– the “stay on your side” game
– putting something in her hair (try to do it without her noticing until later)
– “there’s something on your shirt” ruse
– indian burns
– making a loud noise every time she tries to say something (“what? speak up I can’t hear you!”)
– mishearing everything she says (“you want me to dump on a whore?”, “NO I WANT YOU TO RUN TO THE STORE!”)
– unctuous flattery (“that’s brilliant! you’re a genius. I am SO awestruck and humbled right now. wow just wow.”)
– pretending to be impressed by her (“I just can’t believe… you… me… here like this… I think I’m going to faint, can I have your autograph? I think I just soiled myself. HOLY MOTHER OF PEARL this is the greatest day of my life!!!”)
– pretending to push her into traffic, the ocean, a pool, a port-a-johnny
– the escalating “what?” game
– staring contests
– staring contests with funny faces
– a game of tag (if she doesn’t immediately run after you, act as if she’s going to tag you at an opportune moment and dart out of the way every time she gets near)
If you find this hard to do with hot girls, that’s because you’re imbuing their beauty with too much importance. You think a hot girl is more likely than a plain girl to dismiss your childish antics, and this thinking causes you to walk on eggshells when in their company. But the opposite is true. Hot girls love to be teased and taunted and patronized. They love it because they rarely get it.

…I use the binary system for determining female hotness…1’s and 0’s…0 = would not bang, 1 = would do anal…0s don’t get much attention from me…
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Further addition to the list:
– farting, loudly and prominently, in front of her. Better still in a public area with others (café, train, park etc) watching your disgraceful behaviour. Ass must be cocked to show deliberate intent (and it also is more comfortable). Then carry on talking as if nothing has happened. Ignore her ewws etc
Diamond hard alpha behaviour
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Farting in public?
I don’t think so.
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Yup.
It’s SO alpha it’s off the scale.
But there must be no embarrassment – no blushing, no giggles, no acknowledgement.
Treat it like coughing
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A friend of mine, ex-NFL player w/ Superbowl cred, does this. He’s COVERED UP in poon. Literally 2-3 or more new girls a week, plus steady tail from girls who think they can tame him. You’d have to see it to believe it. I used to watch men do stuff like this in my younger days, and was shocked that women put up with it. But they absolutely love it. It’s truly sickening.
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Maybe farts contain a lot of pheromones…?…
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It’s truly sickening.
This.
When the degradation of the “culture” gets to the point that the “hawt” chicks dig cads who pass gas in public, then count me out.
Me? I’ll head over to the local Evangelical church and start banging [or at least feeling up] the chicks from the good families.
But intentionally passing gas in public? Fuck that shit.
Death. Of. Civilization.
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But intentionally passing gas in public? Fuck that shit.
Death. Of. Civilization.
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But maybe they have some–
nevermind, I’ll get my coat.
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Unfortunately, in today’s churches, Sunday morning’s prim and proper girls are Saturday night’s whores. I used to sarge the churches religiously as a side hobby. I was quite appalled by how un-Christian most of the girls are. Why go to church when you can get the same low-brow shit at a bar or club, and without the false front?
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Alpha Fail. Out of all the disparage-worthy flaws in a woman’s character you pick the fact they want to have sex with you. You are a dumb dick indeed.
The other kind of church girls all want to wait forever for the perfect man and end up alone or getting married way past their expiration dates.
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he is an ex NFL player with superbowl cred….he could be a serial killer and still get poon. The kind of farting behaviour you mentioned is one of the reasons, I (seriously) considered when my ex fiance asked me to give us another go (I said no). Maybe it’s because he is beta, maybe it’s because I am dating a hot rich country hunk or maybe it’s because I am a stoosh snobbish lawyercunt, whatever the reason, imho, I don’t care how Alpha he is, farting repeatedly almost like it is on purpose without the cursory “excuse me” is one of the most disgusting things a man can ever do…it’s not manly, its fucking gross.
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Correct. AS I am teaching my children, a fart means you need to poop. So go to the fucking restroom and poop.
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I always audibly blame it on her and move away a little bit.
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Oy do I have to bring this up again.
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…Brando was a notorious public farter…
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Showing her how to light farts is very entertaining. Girls always think that you’re bullshitting them. It’s best to have (quite) a few drinks first.
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I’ll raise you one further.
Farting ON your girl.
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I sometimes do the dutch oven.
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Can be effective but lacks the cool of a casual fart which is done for convenience rather than to annoy.
The non-chalant attitude to a public fart is king
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Can be effective but lacks the cool of a casual fart which is done for convenience rather than to annoy.
Farting on your girlfriend (or boyfriend) is deliberate and part of the fun of the whole bedroom thing.
The breezy, nonchalant attitude to a public fart is king – tilt, fart, resume the position, then carry on as if nothing happened
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Farting on your girlfriend (or boyfriend)
no faggots here. if you’re suggesting a woman fart on her boyfriend you’re sadly mistken.
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Chris, I once dated a guy who practically BEGGED me to fart around him. Read my comment below for his rationale.
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Farted in the girlfriends face while she was giving me head under the bed covers once. Girlfriend was not amused.
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You’re getting awfully close to a disgusting sexual practice which only the very weird and fucked up take part in. I am with the anti-farters. You guys are terrorists,trying to start an intifarta! Stop the intifarta! Lets negotiate!
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There’s another big DHV from this.
She will respond in a number of set ways.
(1) speechless shock. Your response: carry on as if nothing happened;
(2) shame and mortification. Your response: carry on as if nothing happened;
(3) laughter: Your response: carry on as if nothing happened;
(4) anger: Your response: tell her to chill out, that you’re disappointed that she’s so uptight but you hope she’ll be able to grow-up in time. This particular response will be so contrary to what she expects that it will completely confuse her. Being patronised by you, after you have just farted loudly and visibly in public, will blow her mind. Then she’ll blow ur cock.
But remember: this kinda farting is NOT the frat-boy, juvenile type. This type of farting must be delivered with utmost brazenness, no laughter, and no acnknowledgement of anyone else’s feelings.
I remember working in an office in Dublin some years ago and a young man started with work us. He was 19 and a big rugby player. He was very polite, efficient and well turned out. He also got lots of terrific pussy. During conversations, even at work, he would simply tilt to one side, fart loudly, then carry on from where he’d left off.
One of the girls reprimanded him for it and he seemed unaware of why it should offend her. He said it was perfectly natural and that she was “uptight”. She told him that he forced farts (this is a typical chick response). He replied that he only lifted a butt cheek for his own comfort. What impressed me then was that he was not embarrassed or ashamed.
That is a reflection of a bigger DHV attitude that chicks love.
No way around it!
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Something like this about cats.
Be a bit like a cat.
In that, a cat could do the most embarrassing thing possible one second,
and the next, shake it off like the coolest motherf*&$er ever, as if it literally never happened and he is still the boss of bosses.
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no a man should never act like any kind of cat except a lion
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I think the real goal here is how do you not laugh? How do you not excommunicate that childishness in your brain, while also knowing that some childish acts to a hot female are alpha?
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It’s impossible that I don’t laugh.
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I can attest. I showily let a room clearer go and just laughed as all the beta supplicators ran gasping for air. Guess who bagged her that night?
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OK True story. I dated a guy who kept hinting, and then later straight out telling me, that he wanted me to fart in front of him. He said when a girl farts in front of a guy she’s dating that means she’s at the point where she feels totally comfortable with him and its a total turn on for the guy.
Funny thing is: I never got the urge to fart in front of him.
Then another guy I dated HATED it when I farted when with him. We lived together during a time I was very gassy because I was eating a lot of dahl (Indian legumes).
I couldn’t help farting and they were silent. The look on his face when the aroma would hit him was priceless. LOL!
Sometimes I forced a fart just to see that look.
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i covered this a few days ago. but spot on. NEVER refer to her looks. call her “kinda cute. drives them bat-shit crazy. beautiful=friendzone, cute= must validate herself to you.
http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/why-you-should-avoid-9-10s/
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Yeah “cute” is a great one, especially if said nonchalantly and then you move on to talking and NOT looking at them. Drives chicks crazy–remember Bull Durham? Susan Sarandon goes apeshit when the star pitcher, played by Tim Robbins, refers to her as “cute” as opposed to sexy:
“ Cute?! Baby ducks are cute!
Works REALLY well on young chicks (well, younger than you). Both a put down (“aww, you’re such cute kid”) and a compliment (“you’ve got potential”).
Another one is “pretty.” People don’t use it much anymore, so it’s noticeable, and jolting, because “pretty” isn’t “sexy,” and it could be something that you say to a girl who isn’t your type but you’re trying to be nice. “Pretty” nowadays can be a code word for “fat” or “forgettable.”
But remember: ONLY say it once. Anything more and you’re a try-hard Greatest Beta.
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[b]- staring contests
– staring contests with funny faces[/b]
Gold. I do this all the time. Bonus points if you can cock (lol) your eyebrows. I can cock (lol) one at a time. I’ve been using this early in interactions for ages.. ie “hey can you do this?” Gets ’em smiling every time.
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Proceed with caution. Any slight ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ hesitation on your part…boom…its over.
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Go to the bathroom. Wash your hands. Come back and touch her forearm or her face with your damp hand. “Teach me to pee?”
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I do this all the time to one girl. You have to have some rapport with her, though, otherwise she could think you’re a giant creep. I’m usually very playful and add a touch of humor to everything, so until someone understands my sense of humor I don’t try this move – It can go from funny to harassment in less than a second. Same goes for the “Something on your shirt” trick.
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This one will also require rapport. “Duck, duck, goose”. Patting a girl on the head is always condescending in the right kind of way. Add “Duck…duck…duck…” to the mix, and it will make her increasingly anxious. “Where’s the goose?” The rub? Don’t say it until hours later, the second she finishes giving you a BJ. It may kill The Moment, but she will look back on it with a laugh.
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Another favorite of mine to do with a girl I have rapport with – If she asks for a kiss, lean in like you’re going to kiss her, then give her a giant raspberry on her cheek. It’s gross yet playful, and you’re denying her the kiss while still making contact with her with your lips.
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My best looking friend actually got hit on very rarely. Everybody stared at her everywhere she went but not many guys actually talked to her. The guys that did make moves on her were always really hot. Is it because other guys felt intimidated by her?
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…you’re on to something…one of the tenets of PUA…at least in its earliest days…was that the most beautiful women were often hit on the least…because nobody had the balls to open them…this gives an aspiring alpha a significant edge…so to all my dudes…don’t be afraid of those 9’s and 10’s…of course to me they are just 1’s (binary system)…
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A friend’s Mom was good friends with the first runner-up to Miss USA years ago. She said that the girl had told her she had no dates in High School because none of the boys ever asked her, and all the girls thought she must be dating a college guy. She wound up turning down a Modelling contract with Wilhelmina to marry the first guy she dated. They eventually divorced, and she had a small tv career. Ask her out- it costs nothing and you never know.
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as the guy in “Shit my Dad Says” wrote “That woman was sexy…Out of your league? Son. Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”
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This.
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Bring to the alley behind the crackhouse and I’ll hit on her….rapey style
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Most guys are betas. Always remember that.
Staring is (there’s that word again) creepy, so that’s one reason I actually talk to the hotties, especially if I see them repeatedly and they make eye contact with me. I know enough of them so being blown out by a single one doesn’t matter jack shit to me anymore.
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Great post…whenever me and my chick get up from the couch at the same time I immediately push her back down. She loves it because they love silliness. Tripping is good too.
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Haha, I love this. Will it work as well if I try this on my man?
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fuck no
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What’s even better is to simply keep her tied up and bent over the couch while wearing 4 inch heels. They love that too (seriously). Arms behind the back.
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I always shout this line, as the girl makes her appearance, usually at a public gathering:
Look who it is! “Jen”, celebrity guest appearance in the house!
[[You’re welcome.]]
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you are involuntarily celibate huh
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Is it that obvious??
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It helps that there are fewer and fewer girls (i.e. non-manatee) that one is even tempted to compliment….
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Twat? I cunt hear you. I have an ear infuction.
Hold on, let me finger it out.
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Ha, punny as fuck
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Don’t gawk at hot girls on the street. Or anywhere else.
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“Don’t gawk at hot girls on the street. Or anywhere else.”
Yeah, but the converse is also true: Don’t ever hang your head in shame because you’re such a hopeless beta that you can’t even get up the courage to glance at them.
Pretending to be aloof and distracted and oblivious to a chick’s hawtness can be a good hamster-revving strategy, but, at the other extreme, you can certainly get away with gawking if you are TOTALLY OBNOXIOUS about it.
For instance, if you’re blatantly staring at her chest, and if you notice that she’s about to start to make the “ew gross” face [and roll her eyes at you], then suddenly preempt her [and beat her to the punch] by exclaiming, in a big bold voice, “Nice tits!”
Now if you want to think about it in political or socio-biological terms, then remember that the hawt chicks are trying [desperately] to become members of the neo-feudal elite, so that they can look down their noses at beta white men who are [or at least whom the Frankfurt School is grooming to become] the new serfs in Western Civilization, and, of course, a serf must always stare at the floor, and never glance up at its master.
Along those lines, it was said that during the Clinton Administration, the officers who were Military Attaches from the Pentagon were instructed to hide in broom closets [literally] if they saw Hillary walking down the hall [because she didn’t want to have to even so much as notice their presence], and all the civilian employees in the White House understood that if they looked up and made eye contact with Hillary, then they would be fired.
I don’t know whether Heartiste has ever written a full-length post on eye-contact – I’m sure that he has – but in the off-chance that he hasn’t, then that subject alone could probably provide grist for at least a chapter or two within a 1000-page dissertation on Game in general.
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this. abso-fucking-lutely stare at hot chicks you pass on the street. look them right in the eye, smile, and say “hello”. if they are showing cleavage, then stair there, because clearly that is what they want. then say “put your number in my phone” then say “cause I said” if they ask why.
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Treat them all like your bratty little sister…3rd grade game works no matter what age the females are.
Besides hotter girls will actually like to do this more than the fatties and fugs. They hate fun.
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Yeah. It does. My boyfriend does a lot of this. Stop hitting yourself etc. He tossed me on the ground today. Then he was like “awww. Poor babydoll is all covered in dirt.”
I cant imagine feeling so uncomfortable with womentthat you wouldn’t do this stuff with them.
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I love these. It’s so much damned fun to do these. This is what natural game feels like to me.
More fun ones, some that also sexualize:
-Wet willies–wet your finger and stick it in her ear.
-Snap her ass with a dishtowel or a wet bathtowel.
-Eat food off her plate or drink her drink without asking.
-make up diminutive nicknames for her (word of caution: use “gordita–little fattie” sparingly, a little goes a long way.)
-a favorite for when she’s in the shower: reach in & turn the water to ice cold, or bring in a big pitcher of ice water from the kitchen & “help” her get rinsed off.
I’d recommend building up slowly with these.
Also, if you’re going to dish it out, you have to be able to receive it to some degree, as well as tosignal to her when enough is enough, with meaningful follow through.
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Today my boyfriend bit my arm. I was like “nooooo! Why?” He was like “it’s retardasaurus rex!” Bite!
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Did it make you cum?
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Booboo-kitty-fuck!
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Stick a wet finger in her ear
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Stick a wet finger in her rear
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Now that is something I can get behind.
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Nice to see you here scat. You knock that woman off her pedestal yet?
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All those playfulness tactics sound like that dude Adam from “Girls.” Its amazing how Lena Dunham puts herself in all of these implausible relationships with alpha males. Can’t knock her hustle though. She’s like the Woody Allen; using her power to put herself in these romantic situations.
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The difference being that Woody Allen, through his status and fame and talent, can actually bed these women IRL. No matter how famous or rich Dunham gets, all she’ll improve on is with a few half-gay fortune hunters or some playa types who like a sugar momma around while they bang half the city.
In other news, I’ve been wondering if Dunham really is the “brains” behind this show. One of the major hooks of the show is that it’s made by a girl whose contemporaneously living the same life as the characters. But her mom is a a big deal to faggy arty types, and knows how to make a good scam—I’m thinking the older woman is writing the scripts/making the show and letting the daughter take credit to get more buzz. Like when old crusty middle aged women write the 50 Shades of Grey-type books but get 20 year olds to promote them for added buzz, or when they got a woman to pretend to be a tranny-guy to promote a book on truck stop hookers.
24 year old fat lefty chicks like Dunham do not have the energy, organization, or self-awareness to do all this. She’d be an extreme outlier if she was capable.
But that still ain’t gonna make men want to fuck her more. lol.
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This is a great list, but the best way I found to desensitization to beauty is through first hand experience … with lots of beauty. It’s a positive feedback loop and is the (obvious but oft forgotten) bread and butter of confidence.
It’s awesome for faking it til you make it and eventually you’ll get good at it, which can lead to bedding attractive girls, but it really becomes second nature once you’ve done it enough and SUCCEEDED.
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Spot on. Once you experience the bounty it cannot be undone.
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In my personal experience I’ve never really been successful using the ‘bratty girl’ frame.
It’s all fun, games and giggles but never really seemed to result in real attraction.
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It’s all fun, games and giggles but never really seemed to result in real attraction.
—You have to escalate. Start with bratty, then talk about spanking them, grab them and pull their hair, tell them if they don’t behave they’ll be punished, etc. Kino, push forward, etc.
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Nope. Daddy game.
“why’d you do that”? “That’s not how you parallel park!” “Bring me a beer” etc.
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Agree with this one. Too much over-the-top bratty game can make her think of you as a brother. Whenever I see a couple where the guy is teasing his gf, it’s typically done in a more dominant fashion than when a brother and sister tease each other, which tends to be more slapstick.
Dad game, OTOH, is important because her Dad is (or should be) her No. 1 man in life until she meets the man she wants to marry. Other parts of Dad game include a strong frame, not being bent out of shape by her behavior, being calm and collected, and so forth.
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Or, if you are contemplating beta behavior, ask yourself, WWHDD? What would her daddy do? If her daddy wouldn’t, or would look ridiculous doing it, don’t do it.
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Some people talk about treating hot women as “normal.”
See what happens to them when they are treated as invisible.
See this term and the link —
SWUG — “senior washed up girl”
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/04/meet-the-swugs-of-yale-women-washed-up-at-21.html?mid=twitter_thecutblog
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”pretending to push her into traffic”
lol
OR
just push her into traffic
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pretending to push her into traffic”
—I’ve found a kindred spirit. Welcome!
RAPE!
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rape her in traffic?
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Excellent!
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Does anyone actually do anything from your list with anyone? Girl, boy, ugly, pretty? I mean, jumping in puddles? Perhaps I’m just one of those incurably boring grownups…..
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Ditto.
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I lay my coat down over puddles for her.
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Puddles of my piss.
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I tend to agree. I’m a fucking grown up, for christ sake. There is a place for playfulness in relationships, but jumping in puddles? Farting? Just goddamn juvenile/animal displays of dominance. Bitches who like that are not good women. Men who do that are not good men. A truly civilized society would beat the shit out of men who engage in such coarse animalistic dominance plays. And stupid women who like that would be forced to pay for their own lil bastards.
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I take the farting thing as a point to keep a strong frame if you have indigestion and to have fun with it. After all, it’s not really something you can control, except maybe with Gas-X.
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I agree. Paying bills together and asking them when should you buy them tampons is a lot more fun.
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YES! I’m sick and tired of seeing stupidity celebrated. Usually this blog is better than that. There is nothing masculine about acting like a toddler. This is like emulating “alpha” males that have never read a book, and think intelligence is “gay”. Those pieces of shit need to die, and the women who are into them are just as bad. Game is not worth making the world a worse place. At some point you have to draw a line and say, “this is not acceptable. I’m not an animal, and and I’m not an entitled frat boy.” This kind of crap isn’t really a matter of personal choice. Guys who engage in this behavior should be ridiculed, not celebrated or emulated.
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“Game is not worth making the world a worse place. At some point you have to draw a line and say, “this is not acceptable. I’m not an animal….“
Finally, some clear thinking.
But, many of these men think there is no difference between humans and animals. They take the godless position that we can do what we like in the interest of instant gratification and feeling good, never mind doing what’s right. The moment people stopped doing what’s right, our fate has been sealed. It’s only going to go downhill from here, so let’s hope these guys don’t add more to the social misery engulfing all of us.
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post a pic of your gf bro
then we will see who should be ridiculed. relax a little brotha and have some fun you only get one life so live it like you don’t give a fuck
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Case in point “bro”. You’re an outcome based imbecile, “brotha”. Maybe there’s nothing “fun” about acting like a toddler or a subhuman to me. But maybe you’d need an IQ over 85 to understand that. But I guess intelligence is for fags, innit? When the shit hits the fan, you scumbags won’t even be able to feed yourselves, much less get laid. You’re parasites.
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cool bro
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“cool bro”
IDGAF! YOLO! SWAG OR DIE! R-selection FTW!
Seriously, how the fuck can CH, or any of the rest of you make a distinction between “alpha” and “omega” males in the face of examples like Mr. What? Your “alpha” is just an omega with with money or popularity. There is no intrinsic difference, as this blog post and its respondents make abundantly clear. There’s a war coming that is much bigger than just game. And you degenerates are positioning yourselves on the losing side.
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@ Stuki,
Some of CH suggestions are not very desirable, and indeed juvenile. I wouldn’t like it if he jumped in puddles and got me wet on purpose. This might work on a schoolgirl.
Really, imagine you’re going out one afternoon and she is fresh and clean after a nice shower, and you jump in a puddle of dirty street water and make her wet, or put stuff in her hair, or kiss her with BBQ sauce all over your face. I mean, really is taht supposed to thrill her?
Of course, unless you know you were going home after a day at the beach, and a shower is imminent when you get home (which is for me), then maybe a jump in the puddle or another type of soilage can be fun. But then you have to make these considerations. That’s why I think acting alpha is better than acting clownish.
@Fakeemail
“There is a place for playfulness in relationships, but jumping in puddles? Farting? Just goddamn juvenile/animal displays of dominance. Bitches who like that are not good women. Men who do that are not good men. “
Bingo!!! For stupid whorish women sleeping with men because they’re fun is enough of a reason. Those are the kinds of women who require such a Peacock display.
“A truly civilized society “
But this is not civilized society any longer. This is now the same degeneracy of the Roman Empire before it collapsed.
@ corvinus
No, they are talking about deliberate farting; not a situation that caused you to lose control of your farts – runaway farts. Those I can excuse. 🙂 Deliberate farting is really not attractive, and totally an unnecessary tool to prove alphaness. Farting is usually very important for boy scouts. One hopes one outgrew these silly displays after his teens.
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Never trust anyone who doesn’t think farts are funny.
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Seriously. Wanting to fuck you beautiful women and maintaining “dignity” are exclusive results.
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Imagine they are men.
“Are you a good worker? Do you have any original thoughts? No? Then I have no use for you.”
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[…] [How To Treat A Beautiful Woman Like A Plain Woman] […]
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This is 4th grade shit-giving game. It’s a classic east coast mentality. Families give each other crap constantly. It’s how we show we care. West coasters are all liberal, touchy feely, every special snowflake gets a prize horse pucky. Must be hard for dudes from Colorado and California to give up pinging land whales and learn game.
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There are almost no landwhales in Colorado. It’s the skinniest state in the nation.
California is almost as good, if you just ignore the Mexican girls with the chimichanga platters.
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Chimichanga platters. omg. i died
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One word: Noogies…
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Call her a fattie, then a cow. Repeatedly.
Then move on to mooing every once in a while. Screw up your face when you do it.
Then use your hands to make little baby-bull horns up on your noggin and head-butt her in the ass at random and inconvenient intervals while mooing like a loony.
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Yes, if she’s gaining weight and losing her hourglass shape.
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as Mr. Mintner posted in a previous discussion CH gets closer and occasionally pokes at the heart of the matter. One of the most useful rule of thumb that I struggle to implement and to use as a guide both in terms of reacting to a woman and acting when I feel the urge (those are 2 separate things) is this:
What would I do if I absolutely knew she was totally, utterly, irrevocably into me ?
If you’re not doing that then you’re in approval seeking, appeasing (etc.) mode, as the case may be
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Let us alsoo not forget this:Maxim #30: Ignore a woman’s flaws at your peril. They are the key to reconfiguring your perception, and thus her attainability.
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Two things.
First, it’s important to remember that there is a difference between being an Alpha, and presenting ALPHA. Those beta dweebs are possibly getting more play than you, because they are working their end of the pool and they’re comfortable there. They can present ALPHA because there’s little pressure, since the difference in Sex Rank is relatively low. Put those same dweebs in with a bunch of Alpha female Sexually Liberated Uninhibited Tarts with hot bodies and belligerent attitudes, and they go all Delta/BETA. The difference in SR is just too high. Being self-aware of your own SR and staying within a point or two of it will probably pay off more consistently than walking in the door a 6 and making futile attempts at 9s all night. (Of course, a smart Sigma or high Beta might do that to gin up interest from the achievable girl he’s ignoring all night, only to “discover” her at the last minute . . . at closing time . . . when she’s been simmering in damp panties watching him try his ALPHA out on 9s – I’ve seen it work plenty).
Second, I work in porn. When I go out to a bar, and it becomes known that I work in porn (great way to get free drinks), inevitably some 8 who thinks she’s a 10 will try to get my attention as a means of establishing her place in the Matrix (“Hot Enough For Porn”, +500 Matrix points). Of course, the prettier they are, the more they are certain that I’m just dying to introduce them to my porn producer friends, so they can then refuse and feel doubly good about it (“Hot Enough For Porn But Turned It Down”, +300 Matrix points). That really bugs me. Most pretty girls simply don’t know how to fuck, but mistake a high appearance for a robust sexuality. So I shoot ’em down. I’m an Old Married Guy, so I wouldn’t touch them with a stolen dick anyway, but I like to watch them twist a bit. So I usually wait for them to make the hesitant proposition (“I bet you’d like to get me to audition, huh?” is the usual line they throw out to fish.) and then I look them up and down. The prettier the girl, the more critically I look, and the longer I take. She’s there, waiting for my approval and validation, and is actually expecting it. The moment I give it to her, she has what she wants and can write me off as some creep who works in porn who hit on them. So I wait just a moment too long, sigh, and say,
“My company doesn’t do chunky videos.” Turn away. Ignore her.
Nine times out of ten, she’s following me around like a puppy for the rest of the night, trying to convince me otherwise. If I had the inclination, I could rack up mad notches. Wish I had known about that when I was single. I would have made up some business cards or something and faked it.
BONUS POINTS: If she’s anorexic-thin, the above won’t work. So I change it to “hairy”. There isn’t a beautiful woman alive who doesn’t secretly fear she’s too hairy. And of course, if she insists she shaves, you have an excellent opportunity to ask her to prove it.
SUPER BONUS POINTS: If she’s over 30, then change the above to “mature”, and she’ll go apeshit trying to convince you she’s still fuckable. Keep talking about “Amateurs” and “Fresh Faces” and the eternal allure of youth (while utterly ignoring her sexually), her panties will be drenched. And fairly easily dropped.
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Hahaha…….talk about metal cruelty. I love it. Serves them right.
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You shouldn’t even say about your company. Simply walk away, or ask them to hold your drink, and then walk away (after you looked unimpressed at their bodies).
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But what about your drink?
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did my first cookout yesterday was fun caught a fish even
her friend videod it
had my chick run out than run back for the jump did it caught her
then said do another one
she ran out I said not to far she did a uturn lol
than ran and jumped
then I had her get up on picnic table and do the jump
had a nice slap on her ass after I caught her
she kissing up on me
then she goes right back to grill and checking the food
good times
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teasing and negs are ALWAYS a winning tactic. it’s classic hamsterbation. call her hot she FZ’s you. call her cute, she’s loses it. hot girls cannot resist being called cute or “ok”. 90% of the guys she encounters fawns over her beauty.
take her primary weapon away from her and have her prove WHY she’s worth your time and effort is the way to go. as i sadi before, most really good looking women are boring because they never had garner an interesting person since guys just fawn over how puuuurdee she is.
“ok, you’re cute. what else do you bring to the table punkin?”
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[…] How To Treat A Beautiful Woman Like A Plain Woman […]
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Brilliant advice!
I recently dated a guy who seemed in awe of my looks, I thought it was nice, at first, but quickly found it creepy… and then the neediness, & always wanting my attention.
My current interest, has never once commented on my looks, but shows his interest by calling for a random chat or just to hang out.
I’m not trying to say I’m good looking. But dudes that continually comment on how “beautiful” I am, I dunno, it comes across like someone who is just trying to get laid.
Playful insults wont work on all woman, Especially if they are slightly insecure. They do work as long as the delivery is smooth. Some men just cannot pull it off.
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What about rape?
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u funny…
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Playful insults work on all women, especially if they are slightly insecure (what woman isn’t at least slightly? Including you, with the “I’m not trying to say I’m good looking. BUT…”).
Yes, it’s all in the delivery. Half the motor-revving is powered by her trying to figure out if he’s serious or not. So always do it deadpan. If you allow a slight smirk it just shows you’re trying to accomplish something you can’t 100% pull off. Eye twinkle is okay. Otherwise you risk giving off little-brother vibes. Which can work in their own way. But too much goofiness and you start losing your authority over her.
Matt
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Women are insecure in different ways. The 10s of the world are only insecure in the sense that they will someday lose their beauty. Not the same animal as a plain jane who just needs that great big phony pedestal knocked out from underneath her fat ass.
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Tits or GTFO.
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you are ugly lets fuck
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Brilliant advice!
I recently dated a guy who seemed in awe of my looks, I thought it was nice, at first, but quickly found it creepy… and then the neediness, & always wanting my attention.
Same experience on my side, with average-looking girls who hit on me.
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Average looking women and below always hit on men, as opposed to waiting for men to hit on them as it should be. Anyway, at least someone is hitting on you, however average looking. Always look on the bright side of things 😆 Maybe, you’re not as strange looking as you said you looked????
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Jumping in puddles and farting in public is for young guys.
Anyone want to take a stab at how it translates for the 40-something, successful and suited up man?
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Jump in lakes and fart in church, during preach or prayer.
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Jumping in puddles and farting will make you lose your allure in a woman’s eye who likes older men as opposed to boys. Sexy banter works better. You can also withhold compliments, this way she isn’t really sure what you think of her looks. It’s always a point of distress for a beautiful girl when she doesn’t know how attractive you think she is.
And the best way is to be sexist – create a line of demarcation between your masculinity and her femininity. If she complains against your sexism, she is a feminist bitch – Whorefinder’s Rape! might land you in the slammer with her. Don’t waste time on wining and dining her. Spend your energies spoiling a girl who appreciates manly sophistication, as opposed to childish muddle jumping and farting to generate gina tingles.
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You don’t have to jump in puddles or fart, but I’m 44 and teasing/playfulness always works like a charm. Some favorites:
Upon greeting a hot girl, act like you’re going to go in for the handshake/hug/kiss, then pull back and with a slightly disgusted expression tell her you have a germ phobia. Refuse to touch her, even if she insists. Then make sure she sees you hugging/kissing/touching another girl shortly thereafter.
Overly talkative girls–I either (1) nod my head exaggeratingly while rolling my eyes; (2) say something along the lines of “To make an excruciatingly long story even longer…” or (3) say, “Three sentences or less, please.”
Taller girls are often somewhat klutzy. Wait for her to do something less than graceful (which is almost guaranteed if there is alcohol involved), then start calling her “Slippy” for the rest of the night. “Hey Slippy, go get me a beer–but watch out for the corner of the bar.”
It all sounds stupid as hell, but teasing works at any age. The key is keeping the deadpan expression and not acting like class clown.
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Alpha Female:
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Our resident blackman was right. They are desperately trying to butch out Obama. Internal polling must show some serious doubts about his man card.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2308276/Anything-Putin-President-Obama-plays-action-man-newly-released-White-House-photographs.html
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Meanwhile, here’s how he acts with Michelle.
http://www.returnofkings.com/8896/barack-obama-is-the-most-pussy-whipped-president-in-history
I pointed out there that he can get away with it because he’s POTUS, and also tall — if you’re 6’2″, you can get away with a lot more nauseating beta behavior than if you’re of average height or short. Consequently, lots of TGBs on one end of the spectrum, and lots of Little Man Attitude at the other.
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I scrolled down to the pictures and shook my head in disgust. I can tell by her reactions to his bleeding heart betatude that he ain’t hittin’ that thang right.
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I’d rather say that social behaviour differs depending on the social group you are in at the time. If you’re talking with woman above you it’s more difficult to stay cool than with a “replacable” woman. Same goes for groups.
Of course you can learn to ignore subconcious reactions, but if you didn’t above principle applies
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“If you find this hard to do with hot girls, that’s because you’re imbuing their beauty with too much importance.”
I find that hard to do with anybody, male or female, hot or not. Because I’m not six. I seriously don’t see how any of this stuff is “alpha” or playing it cool. It’s the antics associated with a playground crush, and makes it all too obvious that you are REALLY into a girl. I’ve seen guys pull this before, and I’ve seen the girls targeted by such tactics complain that the guy is a try-hard, or even creepy, usually behind his back. I’m something of a misogynist, but even I know that girls aren’t that fucking stupid to attribute high-value to these behaviors. The only time I’ve done stuff like this was when I already had something of a good relationship/rapport with a girl and it was kind of a mutual playfulness.
But yeah, treat a hot girl like any other girl and you will have success. Just don’t go full retard in the other direction. Unless maybe you’re trying to get a retarded girl. Then it might work.
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…there was a time when I would agree with you…but from experience, that is, watching others succeed with this kind of behavior, playground antics simply work…women of all ages respond to it…and yes, they are that fucking stupid…
…I am naturally a strong silent type…it took me a while to come out of that shell and devolve into a more playful, childish frame…the brooding loner alpha has its allure…but really only works in Sergio Leone films…not the local hipster dance warehouse…especially not at the Top 40 meat market clubs…
…I’m not saying I like it…but women are the way they are…and you gotta get yours sometime…
[CH: The brooding loner alpha can also be occasionally playful. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.]
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…agreed…not saying you have to go to one extreme…
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“…there was a time when I would agree with you…but from experience, that is, watching others succeed with this kind of behavior, playground antics simply work…women of all ages respond to it…and yes, they are that fucking stupid…”
I disagree. I’ve seen it fail, and the guy just ends up looking like an idiot to everyone, including other girls. When I have seen it work it was on dumb girls. I live in a college town, so that may skew my perspective a bit. I’ve seen frat guys get away with it with sorostitutes, but that’s a whole different ball game.
“…I’m not saying I like it…but women are the way they are…and you gotta get yours sometime…”
Some tactics just aren’t worth what you lose. Its like recommending that a guy adopt omega-degenerate behaviors, because, hey, they get pussy. But being that kind of person is tragic, and the kind of girls they get aren’t much to brag about.
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In short, if you have to degrade yourself for pussy, you need to rethink your priorities. This is still beta behavior. Worse actually, cause you don’t just look like a pussy, you look like a fucking moron.
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Yep. Brooding loner alpha + unexpected playful twinkle = devastation.
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It’s not always a demonstration of higher value. It is 1) an assertion of self-derived comfort, independence against the prescribed code of behavior, and 2) a sneak attack to keep her off-balance and therefore dependent on your will.
Or, a woman wants permission to be childish and stupid (i.e., her truest nature), and it is the act of giving her permission through your own fearless example — despite “teehee everybody’s looking!” — that demonstrates higher value. Daddy said it’s okay to be silly for a minute, and if anyone gives us the stink eye, they have to go through him.
Obviously if you are an unmodulated clown you won’t be effective. If your command of the situation allows her to escape to your social protection she will be comfortable and free to participate. When you claim a woman you also have to be strong enough to keep her, to manage her thrall. If you are a bizarre homeless guy off his meds, she will embarrassed for you and for any association she has to you. That’s an abortive/unsuccessful attempt at claiming, inspiring her defenses rather than retreating under yours.
Matt
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months of pedantic mental masturbation to get one good comment from you. You are high maintenance
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I write for your pleasure, of course.
How’s my commentary? Dial 1-800-EAT-A-DICK
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Here is a scientific study saying that physical size is important to women, including penis size: http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/04/the-final-word-on-penis-size.html
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Makes me so happy i’m 6ft and bigger than average penis
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Broke up with my gf of 9 months yesterday. The sting of heart ache kills, no matter the first or fifth time you feel it. But she betrayed my trust and commited treachery when she spoke poorly about one of my closest friends fiancé, causing me unnecessary drama.
In life especially after late 20s you have your core set of friends, only a handful lasting dozen plus years. When a new woman in your life does anything to jeapordize those friendships it’s a red flag to run run run.
This one gonna sting cuz I really liked the girl. Such is life during the sexual market apocalypse.
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This is how you break up with a broad:
The whole video is gold, but skip to 15:29 to see what I mean.
“I have to return some videotapes.” Classic dismissive alpha male line.
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The one with the kid?
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Yes. My soul stinks.
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guess shaming works
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Not really. There were other issues involved. But the child’s interests and well being played a part in my decision. A man proper doesn’t string along a woman and a child for his own selfish reasons. Once I saw there was no way we could do something permanent I initiated the end, for the sakes of all parties involved.
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Yeah, I guessed you weren’t going to last long, since you were seeking validation for your relationship from a crowd of strangers on a website. Screen better.
No worries. I’m in LA too — there’s literally a million other eligible girls here.
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Congratulations.
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Pyrrhic victory
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oh no, however will you find another single mom?
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Be nice
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She better be a 9 too.
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she was pretty hot. Numerous people called her a “dime”
the girl did some runway, hair and make up modeling. She looked like she fell out of a magazine in the am in bed it was fucking awesome
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touche! (almost snorted my drink out my nose)
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“When a new woman in your life does anything to jeapordize those friendships it’s a red flag to run run run.”
After nine months, she’s still a “new woman in your life”? Running is one option, but another option is establishing boundaries and respect. Below you say you could not do anything permanent. Is that because you are planning to relocate?
On the one hand, divorced mothers have to accept that they can’t alter their past and this greatly hinders their future. On the other hand, she’s likely really regretting whatever exactly led to the break-up, and you stated before she wanted to follow the traditional role of a woman discussed here. In my mind, its the man’s job to get two people together; its the woman’s job to keep them together. If it isn’t right, it isn’t right. I just hope you aren’t acting in haste and have really thought things through.
I am sorry for you both as it is a difficult situation. Men often do what they think is best for everyone forgetting that to women what is best is just having you.
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If she couldn’t keep the father of her daughter around, there’s a problem with her.
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I can’t agree because we don’t know the details.
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Actually she left the father.
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Lucky guy! He dodged a bullet there.
What she really needs is a good slap across the mouth, for her own good, but that’s unwise under the current legal regime. Unless she crawls back on all fours and offers all manner of sexual degredation for your pleasure and forgiveness, write her off as just another expendable, neurotic girl-child.
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Even worse.
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You think so?
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You think so?
Yes. If the father left her, we could excuse her (somewhat) for falling for an alpha cad who didn’t really want her.
But in this case, she let her eggs get fertilized by a beta and then decided he was too “boring” or whatever, thereby condemning her girl to growing up without a father. That kind of life decision is extremely irresponsible, but since the state loves single moms, plus all the propaganda around that says that kids don’t need parents of both sexes, she obviously didn’t give much thought as to what she was doing.
She’s a ding-dong, and not a suitable mother for anybody’s children.
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You are liberated. I know a hundred men like you, some “married,” some recently separated, some living lives of quiet desperation, all looking for a way forward. It is simply not possible for an individual man to take on the paradoxical burdens expected of him by this culture, not alone. It is not possible for these arrangements to end well. You can’t make chicken salad out of chickenshit.
Don’t come here for “validation,” come here for support. At the same time, don’t listen to the chorus of bitter grrrl-haters. You can still love a person without taking care of her every whim, and — especially with regard to the modern woman — without doing anything they (think they) want. In fact, listening to what they want can be an act of positive hatred in this upside-down culture. Have you never seen a puppy who hates himself for soiling his own nest and having to live among his own shit? They need to be ordered; their submission is their liberation.
“She spoke poorly about of my closest friends fiancé…” Well done. BrosB4hos4ever. Forget “drama.” It’s a matter of principle, which can be promoted without emotion. Make principle your guide and you will dictate the terms of all future relationships — and the women will love you for it, unreservedly. They don’t know they need a tyrant in their lives to discipline their hypergamy, which is the barest minimum required for baseline happiness. They don’t know it, but you do. And so do all of us here.
Go till some fertile ground and reap fresh pussy. Don’t peek over your shoulder, not even once. “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”
“Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”
“Let the dead bury the dead; but as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
You have heard the Good News here. Now go forth and make disciples of all nations. It is an obligation. And in transmitting the truth you will find yourself saved.
Matt
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“It’s a matter of principle, which can be promoted without emotion. Make principle your guide and you will dictate the terms of all future relationships — and the women will love you for it, unreservedly. They don’t know they need a tyrant in their lives to discipline their hypergamy, which is the barest minimum required for baseline happiness. They don’t know it, but you do. And so do all of us here”
These words are pure fucking gold.
Yes, i already feel the liberation. There were signs I saw enough of them it was time for me to let this go for both of our interests.
There is no looking back I agree. Whats done is done. I need to take a second to take a fucking breather and go with the family to Greece for a couple of weeks and visit the family. Need to clear my soul and mind.
And truth be told Im not the one for the situation. I tried, I fought it, i fought the family I fought my own feelings, I fought the CH strangers lol. But in the end it was too much for me. Some battles we cannot win and when we admit this to ourselves we become much wiser.
Actually need to stay the fuck away from pussy for a bit of time. Getting laid isnt my problem getting wrapped up with girls I fuck is my problem. I got a big big heart so for now beating off will due. There will be a time to pick up just not right now.
Peace
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I think she is better off without you. You don’t know who you are. Reminds me of this passage from The Great Gatsby: “I couldn’t forgive him or like him, but I saw that what he had done was, to him, entirely justified. It was all very careless and confused. They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”
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“But she betrayed my trust and commited treachery when she spoke poorly about one of my closest friends fiancé, causing me unnecessary drama.”
What exactly did she say that caused you to end it so abruptly?
When she spoke poorly about your best friend’s fiancé, did she do it privately with you, or in front of other people?
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She spoke about my friend’s fiance to a 3rd party in the group. The 3rd party told the fiance and it came back to me. My friend and the fiance were angry and basically told me “we dont feel comfortable around her anymore” that is more than enough for me to bounce. There were other issues as well which I wont get into. I gave her a shot despite her having a child and me not. I definitely wont ever be doing this again its too much hassle. In fact I was in a very vulnerable state of mind when I first met this girl that led me to use poor judgment.
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we told you dating a single mom wouldn’t end well.
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I do this of a matter of course to plain girls, i.e. tease them and act playfully sarcastic and such like, and the result is they start to HATE me, like really strong feelings of loathing towards me. I would treat hot women this way too, but I rarely interact with hot women, for whatever reason, usually because I feel that I don’t have high enough status to in any given situation
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…those feelings of hate are really just vagina tingles…tingling and churning a thick frothy discharge…typical of feministed plain Jane types…
…your hesitance to interact with hotties is a bullshit limiting belief…you have them on the pedestal…ask yourself why…
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Never tell a woman she is beautiful. She won’t respect you in the morning.
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I wonder how contextual this is though; if a girl is used to most people telling her she is beautiful, it really wouldn’t matter if you did or didn’t, would it? ( I’m I making sense? pretty buzzed on whiskey).
Here’s the reason I ask, I have dated betas, alphas and now I am dating a natural alpha. Like the definition of a bad-ass alpha, crim record, past gang/mafia affiliation, 6’1 bulky, handsome and rich but now christian (or so he says). He somehow came into lots of cash (I don’t want to say how, because I am pretty paranoid of someone finding out who I am on here) but he is very rich and no, it is not related to his past gang ties. Needless to say, my gina tingles are on overdrive.
Okay I know this seems like a humble brag but some ch peeps know my profession which is really at odds with his past, even though he claims to be all changed now and all christian. The reason I say all this, is because I need to give a background to how this whole experience has me pretty confused with most things I have learned here at Ch about Alpha traits and how girls feel in response to same. So now I find myself asking if a contextual approach is then needed?
I am used to being told I was pretty since I was like 14, yes, it holds no special meaning or relevance but when this guy told me, I felt weird, like good weird, like, I want to birth your children and want you to protect me forever weird. He is so genuinely (I hope) sweet to me, that I am absolutely smitten. I haven’t really shit tested him, I am afraid and/or really feel no need to. WHY is that? I am not sure if it’s his looks, country ways, wealth or some combination, but I kinda really crazily obsessively dig him AND he exhibits all these beta traits that make me dig him MORE. I think that is why I dig him, because it is almost like he is trying to go against his natural alpha nature. Can ANYONE shed a light on this? I am a fervent believer in the theories espoused on this site, but this is throwing me for a serious loop?
TL:DR…are there circumstances where natural alphas will deliberately try to exhibit beta behaviors?
Apologies in advance if I don’t make sense, I have been debating posting this here for over a weekk…but I am drunk soo….YOLO. hehe
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Well, these are some interesting new developments. OLIVE!!! Christians should not have criminal records!!! 🙂
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Kate, I am telling you. I did not know about all this until very recently when we talked exclusivity, then got intimate, then I saw the gang tattoo! I was freaking out but also intrigued. Everything leading up to that moment made me think he was just a christian good ol man but it looks like he was pretty involved if he has the sig tats non? god, I am so confused. I think he really likes me and I him and I believe him when he says he is not involved anymore except to be cordial since the birth of his kid (remember I told you he had a kid). Sigh….so confused. I have gotten myself in messy dating situations before, but this might be taking the cake! smh….oh I met his friends, fam and kid this weekend. Sigh.
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Of course you didn’t know. No one opens with these things! I’m not a very trusting soul anymore, but I certainly hope he can be trusted and that it all works out well. Part of why he left the mother was to leave bad habits behind, right?
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Aryan Brotherhood guy, huh?
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Given the context clues she keeps dropping, I’m assuming he is Provisional IRA or some sort of OMC rather than AB.
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No, not at all and my heritage is hella mixed….(hence the olive skin) so… definitely not.
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Well…there is the concept of redemption…
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People do change, yes, but, imo, its rare.
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Pharisee says what?
OLIVE!!! is giving us a great interior view of a girl’s mind as she is getting played. Maybe for her own good, but the reaction is familiar. She really needs to tune in here over the next couple weeks.
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Olive is not a science experiment. Men hide all kinds of things from the women they date because they know at a certain point whatever they have done won’t matter anymore. Once you’re in the love fog, DUI, criminal record, senior citizen status, all these things lose their usual connotation. When its someone you personally care for, morality is very flexible. I’m seeing a red flag, that’s all. Rules do not apply to beautiful women or alphas. Its just something to be cautious about. Once you’re operating outside of the law, well, you’re out there.
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love fog
he he he
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Everything you said Kate. Part of me feels like he was and is trying to be all sweet and romantic (which he is, for now) so I can somehow look past his past. Like there was NO way I would have agreed to a second date months ago, if I knew about his history up front. In a sick way though, I am feel more drawn now that I know about it but scared/freaked out at the same time, if it makes sense. Oh ya, I forgot to add, two weeks ago, all windows in his car were smashed while it was parked at a bar, he claims it was just a “random event” but now that he has told me about his history, I am thinking it might not be. Red flags for sure.
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“two weeks ago, all windows in his car were smashed while it was parked at a bar”
Probably a bitter ex-piece of ass stalking him…
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hold up so you are dating me lolzolzzlzolzozlzolzzz
that’s a mad bitch
yea you gonna get beat by a chick he he he
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I know I am not getting played. First woman to meet his kid since he and the kid’s mom split two years ago. His kid is his most personal treasure. I can tell he is an amazing dad. I know he is in it for as long as I allow him. I just don’t want to be a victim of a “drive by shooting” or get my little ass beaten while walking on the street because of his past that might not be so distant, afterall!
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Olive, I’m concerned for you. I hate to even suggest this, but have you looked into making sure his story holds water? Its always unsettling when someone reveals something unsavory about their past. All I can say is listen to the warning bells these things are setting off. I don’t think you’re getting “played;” I’m sure he really cares for you. I think you’ll just have to decide if this is something you want to be a part of or not and whether or not it is really behind him. I’m sure you don’t want to reveal too many details here, but with these unpretentious millionaires you start to wonder how they acquired it at such a young age (or if they even really have it).
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“I know I am not getting played.”
Maybe. And maybe “played” isn’t le mot juste. But think of it more this way: naturals are born to play, and they often play themselves, and the rare girl who gains access to that top-level love to be played.
Even if this dude is everything you believe him to be, you do not have the perspective or the power to confirm that fact dispassionately. I think you and some commenters are slightly paranoid about his background (“victim of a drive by shooting”) out of prudence — you simply don’t know what you don’t know. In all likelihood there is nothing to worry about. But this isn’t a movie, danger is only thrilling when experienced vicariously or after you survive, and while the odds are low, the stakes are sky high (your life). Exciting, huh?
Except the danger doesn’t present itself cinematically. It manifests itself rather as a creeping anomie, a nameless horror, which is either initiated or avoided when you are young and know very little. When you’re 40, there will be nothing sexy about that kind of existence. But in your mid-twenties, a year of peak excitement will seem worth risking fifty years of abject misery.
“I just don’t want to … get my little ass beaten … because of his past …” Who are you kidding? Yourself mostly. A very big, very hidden, very forbidden part of you wants precisely that love-proving beat down, the risk that confirms you worthy to be included intimately in his larger-than-life presence, the scars that demonstrate to the world that you are a part of — the most important partner to — his greatness.
Matt
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@matt. agree 100% on your last paragraph
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@ Kate, I talked to my girls over the weekend and they said everything you are saying. I know he has the money, I see it in his house and car(s). I also just learned that he attended “anger management” classes in the past….another red flag….the guy who I see does not compute the guy whose past I am learning. The thing is he is pretty much an open book and answers all the questions I ask. I am just…confused, again.
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@ Matt, but can my profession afford this kind of “excitement”? I don’t know about wanting to get beat up by him or anyone though, but yes, I confess, I find his scars on his body…hella hot! #shame
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Well, time will tell. The question is whether or not you want to invest the time. Pay attention to his behavior especially after month three. It tends to be a watershed mark.
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No, you can’t afford it, which will make you want to try it all the more in the moment of decision. Not in those rare moments you are thinking clearly, of course. The cloud of numbness he effects in you scrambles whatever notions of “affordability” you might have gleaned between depositions and fashion magazines.
Speaking of which, what does your shoe closet look like? What kind of foot pedestals do you prop your Petite-ness up on?
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That just means he spends money, it doesn’t mean he has it.
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@ Hugh, you have to have at least some form of money to spend it right? and he doesn’t do much credit transactions either so…..
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Remember the thief on the cross? You don’t know your Bible.
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Then teach me, Objob.
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Typical ignorant
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Typical arrogant
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Luke 23:39-43
Missed opportunity. Teaching is among the most essentially erotic things we do. Eros means longing, and the longing to know is fundamental, the bright sparkle in a child’s eyes as he encounters a new world for the first time. Teacher fantasies, anyone? Obstinance doesn’t always work.
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“…it is almost like he is trying to go against his natural alpha nature. Can ANYONE shed a light on this?”
Yes. He is running Game on you.
Rather unfortunately, I have some experience with this type of guy (gang affiliation, criminal record, etc), and a disproportionate amount of them tend to lean very alpha. Unlike the nice upper-middle class society in which I grew up around (and I’ll bet you as well…your comments in this post give away your profession), alpha traits are valued and encouraged in gang culture. These guys run tight (and often unethical) Game, which is why attractive upper-middle class women fall for them instead of their feminized beta schlub contemporaries.
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Kelly, you make some valid points. I think he has never dated someone like “me” i.e. educated sheltered middle upper class girl. I guess I kinda fascinate him just as I him. I just feel like I am in a movie/show right now, like sons of anarchy (he even LOOKS like Jax teller lol) or something. I am just really lost as to how to progress as I think he is just as smitten as I am with him. I am the first girl he has brought around his kid. Like do I just walk away? I tend to fall fast/hard…always being my M.O. but I tend to get over it just as quickly anyway.
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then you haven’t fallen in love yet
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hmmm…just be careful. Try to set aside your feelings and analyze the situation objectively. What are his family/friends like…that can tell a lot about a person. Does he work? What qualities about him do you like, besides the tingles? Only you can determine if this relationship is worth your time – no point in wasting your youth on a relationship that doesn’t line up with your long term values and goals.
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“Try to set aside your feelings and analyze the situation objectively.”
**WTF?** You do realize that you’re talking to a *woman* there, right?
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Rogue Male – oh yeah…what was I thinking? Silly me!
Mentally and emotionally extricating oneself from one’s own personal situation to the point where objective analysis is possible is an extremely difficult exercise in self awareness, even for men. I’m not sure it’s something that can be fully accomplished by anyone at all…but it can’t hurt to try right?
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Jesus fucking Christ stupid women newsflash are not first one is brought to see his kid duh
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didn’t understand you there, bro.
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Additionally (and granted I’m grasping at straws here because I don’t know either of you) he may have very little respect for you due to the very fact that you are interested in him. Most highly educated women (especially attractive ones) wouldn’t seriously give a guy with a criminal record and no education the time of day. I may be entirely off base – hopefully I am – but be careful.
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…there’s no such thing as a highly educated woman…
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Correct. Only men truly study for the sake of learning. I’m talking about history, sociology, the concepts explored on this blog. I’m a lawyer. I hang out among lawyers. I have known thousands of female lawyers. They all have huge egos, but not one is truly educated or serious. Not one has ever read one serious nonfiction book other than the bare minimum that was required in school. Most don’t know the difference between “you’re” and “your” and use “your” for the contraction “you’re.” Same with “its” and “it’s.” Not one has taken it upon herself to truly question things like the teachings of the Bible and other great books like we do here. And we’re just normal guys. Almost ALL men engage in these inquiries–the pursuit of knowledge and improvement for its own sake. The worst kind of women are lawyers who think they are “educated” but are just idiots. I genuinely have more respect for strippers, at least the ones who are not on drugs (and there are such girls). These girls are doing what they were put on earth to do–comfort men. What should they be doing? Out building bridges and buildings? No, we have 5’6″ stumpy indian mexicna men to do that. Should they be the aforementioned bitchy lawyers? Nope. Intellectual pursuits are for men too. I like to chat up strippers and some of them are genuinely cool chicks. Much more so than any female lawyer or law student I’ve known.
A really funny thing to do is go on match.com and watch all the “highly educated women” self describe themselves as such. Meanwhile a truly highly educated man with a $180,000 income and other things going for him (fit, funny, fun, plays guitar, is in a band while also being a lawyer, is a great dad) will *never* self describe himself like that. Meanwhile all of these “highly educated” women’s profiles will be riddled with grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors. It’s their one profile to tell the world about themselves and they can’t even be bothered (or are unable) to give it one little quick proofread. And I’m talking about chicks who are clerking for federal judges right now. A “prestigious” gig that requires top notch *writing*.
Nah. My next LTR is going to be with a 21 year old stripper. A little cutie pie who knows what she’s good at.
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…kudos…couldn’t have said it better myself…
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I truly study for the sake of learning, but barely having finished high school, I wouldn’t be considered “highly educated” by anyone’s standards. My “education” is an entirely self-directed affair, with admittedly large gaps of knowledge at such points where my interest waned LOL. I enjoy such voluntarily undertaken intellectual pursuit. Why should using the mental faculties which God gave to all of us be classified in the realm of the masculine?
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It’s a big word, so inevitably the ‘astuteness’ of this comment will be lost amid the highly-educated womens’ bleats to the contrary
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Meh. I was merely arguing minutiae, not the overall “astuteness” of his observations.
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there are some nuggets of truths nestled in-between all that mild bitterness. I never claim to be highly educated, ever, I don’t even see the futility in claiming such, well, except on a job interview. In fact, the only reading I do that is non-law related are fashion magazines. You don’t find female lawyers attractive and I DO NOT find male lawyers attractive. I find most of them to be self entitled tiny little wimps. I find big hulky blue collared guys way more attractive because I naturally respect their sheer physical strengths. Intellect is the least of my preferences to be honest. So..um..ya.
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Kelly, hats off to you if you’re the nutty perfesser type, but perhaps instead of defending yourself as an individual, simply take it on board that this man is allowing you to understand how the world actually is. You’ll probably observe this phenomenon as you go about your business in the future, and will feel glad that you are one of the few that buck the trend. I wasn’t singling you out in particular, to meh you off. It’s simply a brilliant observation, regardless of context, direct from the fields where the battles are waged, and is deserving of recognition from readers and commentators.
Olive, I respect that you unashamedly admit to dumbing it down and therefore find your incorrect use of the word futility to be quite endearing. Having worked with blue collar types all my life, I agree that our bulk can be impressive, as can our thoughts, morals, leadership qualities, etc. However, I can assure you that for some, the toll of physical labour can be very destructive, both mentally and physically, and the coarser thinking and behaviours can become stifling.
Of course intellect is only one type of intelligence, but in this day and age, with the way societies are structured, the man that can make money with his brain is better placed than the man on the lower rungs of society, even though those types, as you said, might be wimps and out of touch with the street level. I would say that in at least 75% of cases, a guy working a blue collar job covets the brains, lifestyle, etc of those in better jobs. They’ll wish they had realised their untapped potential, and will hope and endeavour to ensure that their children don’t have to endure the toil of hard labour, character-building as it may be.
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Ringo – Acknowledged, and agreed. Honestly, the phrase “intellectual pursuits are for men” is about the only tidbit in that mini-diatribe with which I disagreed. The rest, while sprinkled with a (probably deserved) touch of misanthropy, is pretty darn spot on.
Rather ironically, I was a stripper at 21. Definitely on the opposite end of the spectrum as law school student, but perhaps not so different after all. Both apparently make poor marriage material 🙂
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The more people who pursue intellect, the better, that’s for sure. Given the risks associated with marriage, anyone could be bad material. I don’t have enough experience with lawyers or strippers to make a generalisation. Some of the men with experience on the matter will have summed up the qualities that are advantageous in a marriage, but I’d guess it boils down to a willingness to respect the other party and set aside individualistic desires now and again.
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well I have never been crazy attracted to highly educated guys, except maybe doctors (they tend to have some crazy to them), I don’t know I just never encountered my definition of what a MANLY man is in today’s “highly” educated man. Always wanted to settle with a blue collar type country hunky hunk lol who can axe a tree into pieces type guys. I also hate talking about my job when I am not working so there’s that. but yea I guess I value/respect physical strength/street smarts in a man, more than I respect formal educational training because in all honesty, it would be hard to find someone who I *think* supersedes me in that area enough for me to respect. And if they do, they are normally socially awkward geeks…so. no.
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MDs are invariably bad-breath having slobs with visible gunk between their teeth. Constant plaque. Why is that?
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So you met one or two, and now they all have it??
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I don’t think you really want to date a gangster. You just like the idea that he has violent inclinations within him and that he could be violent if he needed to. That turns you on. Admit it. There is a sense of danger about him and you love it.
It’s similar to women and rape. Women don’t really want to be raped by a dirty ugly stranger in the subway at knife point, but they would like their BF/husbands be a lot more dominant and violent sexually with them.
Women have a love/hate with male violence. Feminist try to clean that up by shaming women, yet we still get lured after our psychology, not after their claims.
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“Additionally (and granted I’m grasping at straws here because I don’t know either of you) he may have very little respect for you due to the very fact that you are interested in him. “
You could be right about most uneducated men, but gangsters don’t really think like that. They have very high T, which makes them overconfident. Usually though, you’d right. Educated women want smarter men than they are, which is why they have it so hard finding husbands. That’s why most of them remain single way into late 30s and 40s, and some never get married at all. They created a very-hard-to-meet threshold by getting highly educated themselves.
“Most highly educated women (especially attractive ones) wouldn’t seriously give a guy with a criminal record and no education the time of day. “
A while back I told PetiteOlive that she would never be happy in the long run with a blue collar man, or a man into a trade instead of a profession (which isn’t as bad as a man with no education or a criminal record), and studies confirm this – women eventually divorce men who are not as educated. The only way a woman will stay with a less educated man is if he gamed her hard and made her respect his extreme sexuality, but even then, it’s hard for her to be satisfied by such a man, as part of men’s masculinity is connected to his intelligence. Blue collar males imply “less intelligent” than highly educated men. At least, they are not as respected by society as highly educated men are.
Not that highly educated really means smarter, as some highly educated people are actually dumb in all other areas besides their area of study. Look at most college professors in our society. They’re idiots. They never ran a business in their lives and would probably lose their shirt if they weren’t getting paid by an institution to teach and do research. All they do is indoctrinate kids with social justice. I’m getting off the subject.
Bottom line, at the risk of sounding Shakespearian-ly old fashioned, a woman truly needs a man who is older, taller, stronger, smarter, more educated, has more money and connections than her, and has higher social status, in order to satisfy her hypergamy. It’s a tall order for any man to fill, let alone a blue collar worker or ex gangster. Once the excitement, mystery, and the hot animalistic sex wear off and reality sets in, a seemingly “less intelligent” man might not be such a turn on after all.
Yet, she is very adamant about it. She should think carefully before she succumbs only to her need for a physically strong man. There is a lot more to a man than just his physical strength to get turned on by, such as intelligence, status, and connections which also give gina tingles.
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“Bottom line, at the risk of sounding Shakespearian-ly old fashioned, a woman truly needs a man who is older, taller, stronger, smarter, more educated, has more money and connections than her, and has higher social status, in order to satisfy her hypergamy”
Older, Taller, Stronger, Smarter, More Money, connections – check!. He is less educated, but very smart. I am more educated but way dumber except in relation to my job. I have said it before but I will repeat, I know that I will not be happier with someone more educated. I have been in LTR with someone more educated, it was not even funny. Now I know it is just a generalization, the same way all lawyer chicks are generalized, but I know I admire and respect physical sheer brutish strength in a guy OVER almost everything else except maybe financial stability and most well educated guys just don’t have that so perhaps that’s why.
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lily really hates the blue collar worker
yet compared to 95 percent of the college edumacated they make more money
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Guns, I don’t hate blue collar, but cockringo chien said it so fittingly:
“Of course intellect is only one type of intelligence, but in this day and age, with the way societies are structured, the man that can make money with his brain is better placed than the man on the lower rungs of society, even though those types, as you said, might be wimps and out of touch with the street level. “
I said the same thing, albeit somewhat differently – high education is not indication of real brainpower. Some of the supposed smartest people around (PhD holders) are stupid as a door knob. They are followers, not leaders, because they mostly live in a world of theory. So indeed book smarts is one type of intelligences, but street smarts is also a type of intelligence, and some street-smarts people are probably smarter than book-smarts people when it comes to survival and common sense. And indeed, as you said, some even make more money than the highly educated types. It’s just that society implies book smart is more intelligent than street smarts because in today’s society there is less need to have an instinctive visceral sense (common sense) and more a need to know information (book smarts). Both cockringo chien and I are relating how modern society views and looks at intelligence today in the modern age. We’re not looking down at blue collar men.
For a woman feeling as if she married a worthy man, is important. Women like men, also want a trophy. Men look for female youth and beauty as the signs of the trophy, and women look for intelligence, dominance, physical strength, and status as the sign of the trophy. Therefore, if one day Olive feels like her man is greatly lacking because all he had going for him is some brute strength and some money he made using his brute strength, but society still considers him a two-bit criminal with tattoos and a flashy car, is it going to satisfy her in the long run, or is she going to feel like she made a mistake?
Anyway, I hope she finds her answers and doesn’t get hurt in the process.
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just don’t get caught up in any bullshit like doing a drop or some shit
you may get asked prepare in advance to say no
gee rich dude wonder why the tingle
he he he
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Gregi….u know! I was thinking maybe if he wasn’t rich or just a normal formal “thug” whether I would be as attracted..but then there’s his irish brutish looks that I think I like more…but who knows….I think him being rich plays a role for sure, just not sure how big of a role.
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This is why money scares me. It can really change people. The truly elite live on a different plane and often lose touch with what really matters.
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my dad always said the truly elite money wise were like normal people
it surprised him I think
maybe it changes woman more than men
look around at the super rich dudes getting their heart strings pulled and actually marrying up with chicks that will be able to take half their shit
and can fuck up their lives
so they think they got a special snowflake chick just like any other guy
they think this chick is gonna be different because they in love
they still want the things that a normal dude wants
I think people think money gonna change everything but you are still you
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Exactly Kate. part of the allure of this guy was that he is not pretentious, like there was no way of knowing the kind of guy he was until you get to know him more and more. Apart from his car, there is no way you can tell. He dresses like a jock, nothing flashy, playful/respectful to strangers when we go out etc. He is one of those family over everything type people too.
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pretty big role from what you said in past it was definitely a deal breaker if dude wasn’t rich but you want it all and maybe getting it
time will tell
but yea if I had a dollar for every time some bitch wanted me to do something that had the potential to fuck up my life i’d be rich he he he
but yea I knew a chick that knew the dude from the mafia type family and ahh it didn’t work out well she did pine for him and wanted him cause he had it all and wanted him above all the other millionaire dudes who wanted to marry her up in her prime but he was a player so yea she would of had to accept other chicks in the game too
whereas the normal boring millionaire types just weren’t good enough for her but he was cause unattainable but if attained would of been a massive change a man thing for her I guess
sometimes life is all fucked up or maybe we do stuff a certain way cause that is how we want it
she wanted him to be a one woman man he wasen’t so it didn’t work out
no marriage bla bla bla
woman in their prime so many choices or some of them
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A girl is never more beautiful than when she is chugging hard liquor. In vino veritas.
Most of those people who told you you were pretty “since [you were] like 14” said it with ulterior motives. Most who offer that compliment were proposing a transaction, he gives you flattery, you give him access to your beauty (or even possession of it). A preposterous deal, dead on arrival to a woman’s ears, but one that many men offer anyway because 1) they are stunned by beauty into bumbling incompetence and 2) their whole life is a series of transactions, quid pro quo, something for something, rather than the great man’s mode of magnanimity or pure gift-giving.
Combine that with the expectations of constant flattery in today’s princess, and the currency becomes debased. “You’re pretty” is a throwaway line. It is a loaded term that has more to do with wanting something from you than it has to do with a disinterested statement of truth. If everyone doesn’t know that, they feel it. But a true man’s judgment isn’t transactional, it is plain truth-telling.
So now here comes a man among boys whose judgment you respect, someone whom you want to impress. When he says “You’re beautiful” you can rely on his word, because you shit-tested him to expose whatever tendency he might have had for empty flattery, and by doing so, eliminated simple beta suck-up-ery as a possibility in him. It’s evidence that you impressed the man worthy of impressing, the man you ached to impress, and that sends a girl into a tizzy. Butterflies in the tummy that travel up to make cheeks blush.
Or, he could be lying to get into your pants.
Matt
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You were missed around here during Lent.
Glad you’re back.
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All that said, Olive, listen to your big sister Kate. A very deep part of you is attracted to your own demise, and you will rationalize the progression every step of the way. None of us here have enough detail about the situation, but you very much need to give a father figure veto power over your big girl decisions now.
Another alpha male is the only force large enough to keep you from the distress of an alpha relationship — especially with a “natural,” as you describe him, who isn’t aware of the source of his own power enough to reliably discipline it. And make no mistake, this isn’t the romantic kind of danger, the Twilight idea of giving yourself over to the sexy vampire, or even the gloriously unhinged (and murderous) fuckall of Sid and Nancy. This is the horror of waking up ten years from now, with children you love, on a homestead a hundred miles from civilization, abused and tortured by a burnout deadbeat, with no good options anymore.
Plenty of fun along the way, plenty of exhilarating risks, but none of the command needed to make that kind of relationship work. For now, that command cannot come from you alone; you are too close to the matter, and everyone else is too far away from it to help you. Especially because you are smart, and therefore too sure of your ability to manage the situation and yourself.
Female “empowerment” be damned, you are thinking with your “gina tingles.” Do you have reliable male counsel? I mean, men tough enough to give you tough advice, to act on your behalf for your long-term good, and not too beta to be smitten with you? This is the kind of love you are seeking in your new man, but you have no instrumentation to gauge whether he indeed is capable of that kind of love, beyond your feelings which, for now, are notoriously unreliable.
But the potential for notoriety itself is what’s revving your engine now.
Matt
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Such good advice! Every girl in such situations (and we get into them often) should listen to you.
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I have listened and I agree with Lily, excellent advice!
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That’s what I’ve been trying to say all this time!
How much better this world would be populated with Ilsas. “Oh, I don’t know what’s right any longer. You have to think for both of us. For all of us.”
Here’s looking at you, kid.
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prediction: this will end well for him and poorly for you.
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The difference will be the quality of the other men in her life. But you are right. If she hasn’t been brought up to recognize the danger she presents to herself, no sober counsel will stand a chance against the acute urges revving her hamster into the red right now.
For the readers who have no experience with this kind of relationship, however, she will be an important case study/cautionary tale. From a cold clinical standpoint, Olive has the potential to be as instructive an example as Maya. Depending on the quality of the other men in her life.
If Olive suddenly stops posting, after two months we might alert local police to begin searching for fresh, shallow graves. Ultimate gina tingles! As this great little movie dramatizes:
American version is better done, but the original Dutch film is truer. Let’s have a manosphere movie night!
Matt
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In the next thread CH talks about anger. Anger in women is indeed ugly, but anger in men is a turn on for women. He is absolutely right.
Olive is currently dating a former gangster, and that’s a turn on for her because his former lifestyle invokes danger and violence – male anger – that women love to experience in moderation and in a controlled environment. Women only want a tinge of it. Just a hint; not too much, lest they really get hurt from male anger. That’s why a little dominance in bed does the trick for most women. It’s also why Olive is so attracted to this man. It’s more than just his money, as she doesn’t know how much he has, and appearances could be deceiving. It’s about the hint of danger and masculine power that she lusts after.
The idea this man could break her to pieces if he wanted to, is what keeps her around, and it’s why some nerdy guy in a suit doesn’t interest her. I often say, women’s sexual desires are very primitive.
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You have transcended such crude instincts, of course.
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What gave you such an idea? I’m speaking about all women, me included. BTW, men’s sexual desires are just as primitive, except women are not thought of as sexually primitive.
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I was hoping you said that. You and me baby ain’t nothing but mammals, so let’s do it like they do on the Discovery Channel. Drinks at 7?
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“It’s about the hint of danger and masculine power that she lusts after.”
“The idea this man could break her to pieces if he wanted to, is what keeps her around, and it’s why some nerdy guy in a suit doesn’t interest her. I often say, women’s sexual desires are very primitive”
All differences aside, you do say some pretty smart stuff.
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No, no, we’re not just mammals. Many people think that humans are nothing more than intelligent animals – I don’t agree. There are tell tell signs that prove we’re not just animals. Unlike animals, we have needs connected to the soul, such as covering our nakedness. We have sexual urges, true; they’re primitive, true. However, could they be anything else but primitive in order to function properly? Let the liberals bask in their fallacies, stupid as they are. They make no distinction between animals and humans (because they don’t believe in the existence of the soul) and that has led to untold atrocities at the hand of tyrants. Thus, I hope you’re not tooting the Discovery Channel’s theories. The Discovery Channel produces great programs, which I watch, but some scientific theory can’t be proven as it’s wrong. But fear not! As we become more intelligent, time will reveal our true origins.
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An interesting article that deals with some parts of this subject regarding why humans are not animals:
http://www.dennisprager.com/columns.aspx?g=f2671be9-31e1-4bb5-9f6c-adb805de17ec&url=whats_wrong_with_public_nudity
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PetiteOlive, as tempting as he is, be careful of him. Don’t be afraid to question everything, even though it doesn’t feel good to be in question mode and it feels so much more alluring to be engulfed in his passion. A serious man is not frightened of a cautious woman. The aim is not to hurt him. The aim is not to become anyone’s victim.
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I’m not. I guess what I’m really trying to say is
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You know the Discovery Channel line is also a reference to a song, right, precious girl?
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You’re so hardcore. Who would have known?
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You would have known, if you weren’t in the bad habit of paying selective attention.
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Not really, but I do have to leave all options on the table before jumping to conclusions. You’re a full time job, dear 🙂
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come on, why all the negativity?
after all, she said ‘I just feel like I am in a movie/show right now’. and it never ends badly in the movies, right?
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I’m not gleeful about this turning out poorly for her. I hope it doesn’t.
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I am a thousand times over. You White Knight punks can’t even see how funny this all is.
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That’s because you are like so metal, brah.
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@OB. you got the wrong dude. in any event, i don’t wish ill on people who don’t negatively impact my life. after all, hamster is gonna hamster, bro. and, as i already stated, i hope i’m wrong and she finds whatever it is she’s looking for. how would i possibly benefit from her getting fucked over?
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I hope it doesn’t too YOKC.
OW seems like the “angry, extremely bitter/all women are bitches and death behold them” camp. There is a huge difference between white knights and wishing something horrible happens to someone who is actually seeking some perspective. Anyways whatever, you are so “badass”.
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Obstinance Works Wonders brah
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Lol…yes, I realize how naïve that sounded….
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God ur typical
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What’s ur LSAT score. I’m guessing 152
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Good writeup by CH.
1. When asked by fellas why I tend to do pretty well with females, my candid advice is: Never take females too seriously. The moment females realize you’re taking them seriously, is the moment they stop taking YOU seriously.
2. It is also better to regard/recognize them ALL simply as ‘females’ rather than ‘women or ladies (other lofty and reverent terms) — in your own head. How you use language, even to yourself, shapes your perception.
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1. Very true. Good advice.
2. Instead of ‘females’, I prefer to think of them as just ‘chicks’.
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‘Chicks’ works too.
Just never worship or revere them.
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Gracian
Good writeup by CH.
1. When asked by fellas why I tend to do pretty well with females, my candid advice is: Never take females too seriously. The moment females realize you’re taking them seriously, is the moment they stop taking YOU seriously.
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Not to bring race into this (like it ain’t already here) but this is the same posture a black person has to have when dealing with white people.
The moment white people realize you’re taking them seriously, is the moment they stop taking YOU seriously. This is the nexus between game and race. I know Im not the only one to notice this?
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White people don’t give a damn what you worthless pieces of shit take seriously. That’s the nexus between game and value.
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For example, look at Uncle Ruckus. What has a lifetime of white ass kissing got him? Ruckus is not an “uncle tom”, he’s a simp; a thirsty simp with no game; and he suffers for it. And just like a beta male who cockblocks, white knights and throws other guys under the bus, Ruckus takes out all his frustrations on other black people because he takes white people seriously.
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Of course he does.
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…that’s quite the hamster you got there…
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You are all testicle with no shaft.
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You’re all kunta with no kinte.
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You’re all kunta with no kinte.
And his zebra’s double-parked, to boot.
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“Thats why they shouldnt let dumb bitches read psychology books”
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Especially the Liberal Whites. Blacks take seriously and are abused more by the political and legal systems of Liberal Whites.
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Females is alright.
I prefer bitches.
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Fact: “bitch” for women = “dawg” for men
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I prefer bitches to nicegirls too. Funner to conquer.
I’m not into the jive talk, calling them “bitches” or “hos,” but that’s just the white in me. I prefer classic Rat Pack “broads” and “chicks” or even the Britspeak “birds” because of my melanin levels. Or if she’s close to my heart, then she can be honored with “tramp,” “slut,” and “whore,” and if she’s been very good she gets the possessive “my” preceding it.
Matt
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Back then, ‘tramp’ meant a rich broad who was down-to-earth and liked to go slumming amidst the hoi polloi on occasion. That’s why that inimitable Hart lyric often confuses subsequent generations.
Just for the record. 😉
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Good info. The culture has been so negrified-sissified that we have to reach back to an age before MTV to find any common-culture references to manliness to which a person of pallor like me can relate. Not that I’m a fan, but we can do worse than the Rat Pack.
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Yes we understand. You don’t date women under 40, Grandpa.
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Well, I wouldn’t classify what your mother and I do as “dating,” but she is 39½. Does that count, melon head?
You know she blames your ginormous pate for her loose cooze.
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hooker is a good one to use
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Those are all fine solutions, but a Beta’s will crumples when he tries it in front of a hot woman. I propose another solution that works for all tiers of hotness:
– be a sexist / chauvinist
Problem solved.
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Chauvinism will solve a whole lot of those first-world man-problems
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You are so right about the crumpling. All a 7 or higher has to do is say something to me and its all over. I just melt.
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Or you could just go out more…
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“How To Treat A Beautiful Woman Like A Plain Woman. ”
Just remember the old joke .
Why do women wear make-up and perfume ?
Because they’re ugly and they stink.
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Gonna try to do the farting in public thing next time I go out, ’cause I haven’t done it in a while. Hope there won’t be another Nagasaki on the news.
I did it once though, and it was great fun. She was babbling about her day, and all of a sudden, she noticed that I wasn’t listening and asked why. I turned to her, with a dead serious look on my face, and I farted. It was loud, and a couple of people noticed. Before she even thought of blushing, I couldn’t hold it in, and I snapped of laughter.
All said and done, this is still a problem for me, as I can’t seem to control my laughter. When I think something’s funny, whether it’s coming from me or from someone else, I laugh. Loud. Louder than your friend that you think has the loudest laughter in the world.
It’s incredibly cool whenever I can pull things off without laughing, but those times are kinda rare. I can usually do my thing even with my issue, but I’m wondering what I can do to at least diminish the fucking thing. Advice? Cheers.
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right when you are gonna laugh punch yourself in the balls
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FR —>
Thurs:
Social circle shit, blah blah blah. I’m starting to notice the difference between being a dancing monkey and leading a group. I mean, it really just seems like the problem with being a dancing monkey is that you’re only able to give one type of experience — funny ha ha ha ha.
Friday:
The natural circle convince me to go a ball game. I go. It’s okay. Lol, my identity in that group is starting to just be ‘that guy who does whatever the fuck he wants, with us or without us.’ Case in point — after the 7th inning stretch I split, and I get asked ‘why you leaving?’ and I’m just like ‘I’m bored.’ Then high five everyone and get to getting.
I have to roll out solo. I resolve that I’m going to go out solo and just talk all night with people, no matter what. I sit in my car for 30 minutes. I get out of my car and walk into one of the venues, barely open one set. I’m not going home without practice. So, I pound three beers in rapid succession…
….and a great adventure happens.
There were a lot of fun interactions, more than I’m going to get into.
I’m standing outside of a venue, there are a few people there. I decide to just start chatting everyone up. I start giving everyone out there value, like ‘this guy is the X guy, he’s cool, doing X blah blah blah.’ So I’m chatting up one of them, who seems like this asian dweeb, and boom, out comes Mixed7.
Mixed7: (indicating asian dweeb) I love this guy
Me: No, I fucking love this guy, stop trying to drive us apart…is she always this needy (to asian, he laughs/shrugs)?
Mixed7: What the fuck?
Me: Hahaha, calm down before you make me nervous
Mixed7 (laughs): Well, just don’t get nervous
Me: FUCK YOU I’ll do what I want!
Mixed7’s eyes widen
Me: See what you did? I bet you feel pretty fucking awkward now. I do…
Mixed7 has moved a little closer: No, I feel fine.
Me: Oh really? Then why are you hitting yourself…stop it, stop hitting yourself (she loves it; then, in the middle of her laughing, I just throw down her hands and continue talking with asian dweeb). Ya, so anyway back to MAN talk (gives her the Romney look before blah blahing a little more with Asian guy)
Mixed7: So who are you, what’s your name?
Me: Scray. Tell me your name now.
Mixed7: Mixed7.
Me: Well that was fucking boring.
Mixed7 laughs
blah blah blah blah blah — same old interaction from me. The alcohol gets me out of my head enough to move things forward. They’re about to leave, and I’m wondering whether I should try to go with when I see a woman, like 5’10, like a 6.5 early-mid 30’s, standing there. We make eye contact, so I try something. I just whip out my phone, give it to asian guy for us to become friends (he was a cool guy it turns out) then I looked at Mixed7
Me: Ya, you’re next.
Then, I just walked right over to Tall6.5.
Me: What are you doing standing out here, afraid of hitting your head on the door on the way inside?
Another chick, who was teasing me earlier about being bigger than me, pipes up
Chick: Don’t even listen to him, I’m still bigger than him.
Me: (smirks, lifts hand) Will someone give this broad a fucking cookie or something?
Annihilation. Everyone — even her — laughs at that one.
Tall6.5 (laughs): I’m just waiting to meet up with some friends
Me: Oh. My friends are already inside.
Tall6.5: Did they kick you out?
Me: Ya, I was just too much for ’em, and so I came out here to redeem myself by warning really tall women about the dangers of low ceilings….(don’t know what possessed me to do this, but I just stare right into her eyes)…then fucking them.
Tall6.5 (is silent, I can tell she’s flabbergasted. I don’t laugh, I just stand there. Finally, she reacts by shaking her head and laughing) How old are you?
Me: Who cares. You’re going to tell me what you do for a living and what kind of music you like first.
Tall6.5: W – –
Mixed7 comes up behind me, gives me my phone
Me: Oh you put your number in?
Mixed7: Ya! We’re leaving though, it was really fun meeting you
Me: Ya probably
Mixed7 laughs and gives me a hug.
I don’t go back to Tall6.5, I just keep shooting the shit with people.
After a few minutes I noticed she’s gone inside, and my friends are in there, so I go in there too. She’s sitting down, and I approach…
Me: Ah, so there you are
Tall6.5: I thought you forgot about me
Me: I did, so thank the good lord we found one another again
Tall6.5: Hahaha….how old are you?
Me: Old enough to have a phone…(pulls out phone)…gimme your number
Tall6.5: I’m not giving you my number
Me: Oh yeah? Just friends
Tall6.5: Mmmhm
Me: Ya, I’m gay (grin)
Tall6.5: You’re gay?
Me: Ya (hands her the phone, she puts in her number) K I’m gonna text you later and your’e gonna text me back
Tall6.5: That’s how texting works, yeah
Me: Oh fuck off you know what I mean (she laughs again)
Tall6.5: I will, because I’m a real woman. That’s what I put in your phone, real woman.
(withdraw into my own head for a moment, what does that mean? Real woman. Real ‘I’m starting to realize that I’m hitting the wall and I can’t afford to be a flake any more’ woman? …)
Me: K, I’ll see you in a bit.
(I go and blah blah with my friends, then when I’m about to leave with them, I pass her there with a friend or two..)
Me: You again!
Tall6.5: You again
Me: I’m about to leave you know (both hands on armrests, I lean down, kind of in her face — she is suddenly WAY into it, like, she leans forward, close to my face)
Tall6.5: So what?
Me: So give me something. (And then we kiss. It’s that simple, really lol. Pretty short kiss tho) Ya. Give me a kiss before I leave (lol)
Tall6.5: No (lol, this interaction is so awesome to me now)…
Me: Ya, you want to kiss me
Tall6.5: No, I don’t. (LOL WTF this is the funniest shit ever we just kissed) Besides, you’re not gay? What was all that friend talk?
Me: Oh fuck you (grins)
Tall6.5: (blinks) …..why are you so fucking cocky?
Me: Mostly it’s because my balls are huge.
Tall6.5: I’m so done with that kind of thing. Be more open minded, not just cocky.
Me: …you done?
Tall6.5: (still real close) Yeah, yeah, I’m done man.
Me: Good. Now give me another kiss.
Tall6.5: (She tries to kiss her hand and put it on my cheek, I just stay there) Me: Are you fucking kidding me
Tall6.5: (silence between us for a second)….you’re so fucking cocky.
Me: All right, I gotta go. Put it on the cheek (I tap my cheek, she complies, and I go)
First text to Tall6.5: Hey, this is Scray. My balls are huge. Later.
Response (didn’t come until today): Lol hey, yes they certainly are.
What do I do now? 😀
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Another interaction — check this shit out.
Curly6 is having a going away party and AFCfriend was a guy that she loved and left a few years ago, so he’s going. I join them. But by the time I join them I’m in like full beast mode. When I see her, I hug her and lift her up. Then, I start doing just crazy shit like play fighting with her. And here’s the theme and pattern of those interactions — it starts out pleasant enough, then we play and it’s fun, and then near the end, she just gets extremely pissed off at me lol. She’s there with her new bf btw.
So, ya, I would talk to them and then just go off and talk to chicks in whatever venue the party was at. AFCfriend lets it drop that ‘ya Curly6 is being weird, I guess she’s just taken aback by your energy or something.’ I’m like ‘cool, I’ll hang in the back, talk to girls, and just make an occasional appearance in the main circle.’
Anyway, so that’s what I did…talked to some girls (a pretty hot girl gave me her number while her bf went away for like 20 minutes. True story lol. Like 99% chance of a flake, but ya…that just blew my fucking mind)
Anyway, so I’m making inroads with her new agey friends. Like, I remember passing by some girls on the street and just making some comment that got them laughing, and Curly6’s friend is like ‘hahah, oh I like you.’ and puts her arm around me.
Me: Ya, how much?
Friend: Doesn’t matter, I’m married.
Me: well what the FUCK….
In response to this Curly6 gets all pissy, starts whining to AFCfriend about me, says shit like ‘you’re full of so much anger,’ and ‘you’re such an asshole.’ I’m confused. We get to the car, and everyone’s getting in, and I’m just like ‘hey, I’m sorry I don’t mean to offend you, I love you and hanging out with you.’ And she’s just like ‘your fake fucking I love you’s aren’t helping the situation..’ Then we just stand there for a second, and she moves forward, grips my shirt, stares into my eyes — she’s real close to my face. Then she lets out this insane ‘grrrrr’ sigh and tugs on my shirt, pushes me away
‘you’re such an asshole!’
They all get in the car and leave me there.
lololol.
…
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Funny blowout of the night:
Me: Hey, this icebreaker is gonna blow your fucking minds…
Fatty4: huh, what?
Me: Ya, just sit back and relax (turns to the target…) and so blah blah blah
Fatty4: I DON’T LIKE YOU, YOU SHOULD GO AWAY
Me: (ignores her, her friends are confused…she must be the mother hen)
Me: Don’t be such a bitch
Fatty4: FUCK YOU, I’LL GET YOU KICKED OUT
Me: Oh no, not that Lardy McGee, Fatty McguiliGirthy, Uggo McJowels, Cunty McBitchtits….(I can’t stop from smiling, I was on a roll…like, it was dope)
Fatty4: (enraged, stomps off in a huff)
Me: Nice friend…that is to say, she’s not.
Friends: We don’t like you either
Me: Oh no…(tilts hips, farts in their direction) that was a fart, by the way (walks off)
Next opener that led to a great set after that
Me: You guys may want to clear away, I had to crop dust some bitches back there who were getting out of line.
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text her
lets do us
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Lol…
Me: I wanna see you again, let’s do us sometime this week.
Tall6.5: Alright…should be interesting 🙂
….
So, how often should I text, and how often should I just text random fun stuff vs. trying to plan shit?
Other text interaction, which isn’t going so great — >
Me: Hey this is Scray, let’s have adopted babies.
(no response)
Me: (next day) It’s weird how they call that festival x, when it’s really y.
Mixed7: Sorry, who’s this?
(Goddammit not enough attraction. Can’t do anything with it…just say whatever)
Me: Hopefully the next guy you regret sleeping with. -Scray.
😀
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Scray
Lol…
Me: I wanna see you again, let’s do us sometime this week.
Tall6.5: Alright…should be interesting 🙂
””””””””””””
he he he
allright set a day or just have her some over your place
fuck it try bring the movies
lol
i think that is for more established rapor though but ahh
think that is the greenlight for fucking though so getrdone
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normally i go for same day fuck from chatting em up to seeing em to fucking
or within two days
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Stop texting and meet her in the flesh. Jump her bones.
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OT: Am I the only one to notice the James Taranto article in the WSJ on Susan Patton actually had to explain to its readers what Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen were???!!!!!
Readers of the WSJ have never heard of Auschwitz?!
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Do the Holocaust Museums have a gift shop?
My Granpa Survived Auschwitz And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt 😡
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For a sail boat owner the two happiest days of his life are the ones when he buys the boat and when he sells it. For an extreme car person, or at least an extremely lucky car person, happy days are when he buys an Iconic Car and when he sells it to a large private collection in the Teutonic Land of its birth – never again to be insulted by the mere presence of non-collectibles.
Real cars are meant be driven to the sound of Bach; not to the supermarket…
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Aren’t you the guy I saw riding around in a VW, then later coming out of The H-cost Museum gift shop, wearing a “My Granda Survived Auschwitz And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt” shirt?
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Hi, I’m a long time lurker (since last year), and first time poster on your magnificent blog. I’ve been a lifetime beta struggling to become as alpha as can be. Just FYI, I just watched the new PSY video Gentleman (the dude from gangnam style), and I believe it ilustrates some points about alpha behavior
he treats the babe as if she was her little sister and fools around with her, just like described on your latest blog post. After reading your blog for quite a while, one starts to see things that would have previously gone unnoticed.
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came in to post just that!
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meat protein & fat does not produce flatus gas. Only plants (“fruits & veggies”) do. I only eat meat and animal fat. If the animal ate real green grass/hay, you are getting everything you need. I will give $1000 cash to the first person who can prove that human beings need any plants in their diet.
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Scurvy.
Please transfer the $1000 to my PayPal account before you die.
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Actually, raw meat has lots of Vitamin C.
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Exactamundo. Whenever I’m on Atkins, all flatulence goes away.
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Going the other way, google “Jungleyes Love” – old English hippy who lived on an all-fruit diet.
“Despite spending prolifically on exotic fruits, Jungleyes Love became one of the few European sufferers from beriberi, his fruitarian diet being deficient in vitamin B.”
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Just remember that beans are neither musical, nor a fruit.
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But they’re good for your heart. The more you eat them.
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The stupidity in the responses…
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The readership here is, for the most part, psychotic. There are moronic keyboard tuff guys here who think Avril Lavigne is not a 10. Lmao. If she’s not a 10, tuff guy, who Is? Fucking idiots. Somebody gets to be z 10 and she’s fucking flawless. Try google if you’re still confused.
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There are no 10s. The scale is asymptotic. But point taken.
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2 words for you: ‘smoke’ and ‘mirrors’
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CH, could you give a dose of redpill to this lost soul? http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448753
I mean use that story (which sounds home for a lot of us) to highlight the wrong things and how they could have been done differently.
I felt pity while reading that story, there’s a lot of us who have gone through the same thing during our lives. But hopefully not any more
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True or false, Cannibals never need to poop because human flesh is by definition a perfect type of nutrient with no waste in it.
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Where can I get some? Don’t answer that.
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Disgusting. So fucking sick.
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Thats amazing. If they are that angry when they are young, imagine how they will be when they get older? I don’t want this taken as some kind of agreement with whorefinder, but I suspect some percentage of these women are just protesting because they are desperate for some hair pulling, choking and a good hard pounding. This is a sad, pitiful situation. (((shakin my head)))
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lol who gives a shit.
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Speaking of feminists… Some girl literally just posted a new cover picture on facebook that was some woman with her hand over her heart that said “women’s rights” on it. The only comment I left was, “What rights don’t women have?” Blocked instantly. Of course, I’m sure all the, “u go grl” comments are okay by her.
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She is outstanding. Literally fantastic. An animated cartoon character in the flesh. The exaggerated facial expressions. The weirdly random potty mouth. Very Canadian. They’re good for some things.
My girl Lily would call it “clownish.”
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You are so right – she is truly perfect.
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Golf clap on the Alien reference… well-done.
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That’s the type of behaviour you enable with your constant White Knighting and shaming of male sexuality, Burger King.
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Almost any “beta” can act “alpha” with a girl he isn’t really into. With absolutely no effort, a 7 guy can act alpha to a 5 or 6 girl. An 8 guy can be alpha with a 7 and below. A 10 can be alpha with an 8. People seem to get too caught up in those two terms, but “beta” and “alpha” are less classification of people, and more descriptions of behavior/attitudes.
Almost anyone can get laid, but obviously no one wants to forever screw bitches 2 points below his level, which is why we are on this site. A huge part of game (perhaps the biggest) is learning to act the way you act with less attractive women (aka the girls you can easily fuck) when you’re with more attractive women (aka, the girls you actually, really, positively want to fuck).
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for me it’s still examples of push-type behavior.
🙂 you’d be good at teaching flirtation techniques to both women and men, especially geeky-nerdy betas.
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Can be effective but lacks the cool of a casual fart which is done for convenience rather than to annoy
Dude, you really kept writing posts about farting from 2PM right until 5PM ? I, for my part, am unable to talk about farting any longer than it takes me to fart
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OT: Am I the only one to notice the James Taranto article in the WSJ on Susan Patton actually had to explain to its readers what Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen were???!!!!!
Readers of the WSJ have never heard of Auschwitz?!
So what? How many of them ever heard of Emperor Charles V?
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How to treat a beautiful woman like a plain woman????
That’s easy — just remember Heartiste’s picture he once posted of the on-the-rag bloody vagina!
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http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(12)00122-5/abstract
High heels are sexy because they make women’s gait sexy.
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(12)00124-9/abstract
Women find more masculine faces sexy when male-male sexual competition is high.
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(13)00022-6/abstract
Heavy stubble is more attractive than beard, light stubble or clean shaven.
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(12)00095-5/abstract
Those without social allies moralise more, (could explain existence of feminists).
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I think this guy hates fat chicks even more than CH:
http://www.returnofkings.com/9183/why-fat-women-should-be-sent-to-prison
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god damn it again i vomited. every day here someone has to post a link to a land whale that’s gonna make me vomit? there was even blood in it.
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The allure of the alpha male, part 10000001:
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/lindsey_mocked_tiger_before_dating_64RFd3FsRcBKTBOAFbKb7M?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsite
TL;DR Lindsey Vonn trashes Tiger when his scandal came out, but is fucking him now.
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No publicity is bad publicity…
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Good lord she is a manjaw to end all manjaws. Gross.
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I wish she was a marathon runner instead of a skier.
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She literally looks like Popeye the Sailor Man with a wig.
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What’s the “stop hitting yourself” game?
[CH: You grab your girl’s arm and make her punch herself with her own hand while saying “stop hitting yourself”. Extra funny points if you add, “Why do you hate yourself so much? You’re not that bad.”]
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How To Treat A Beautiful Woman Like A Plain Woman-> imagine that she farted
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“PULL MY FINGER!!!
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clip related. PSY being alpha as fuck.
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[…] recently made a blog post right here giving the exact same advice. Good. Nice to see others have figured this […]
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CH on that thing I just sent I tried to keep it short. I shoudl add that she added smiley face to her “no more texting” last response.
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This is definitely coming from the perspective of the guy whose perceived social value is less than that of the female. These guys needs to find ways to increase attraction, whereas the guy who is the fucking man can compliment without coming off as a supplication machine. The recommendations listed here are basically essential for a lower value guy, but the high value guy can tell a beautiful woman she’s beautiful and she’ll love that shit. In fact, hearing it from a high value guy will make her wet and horny, while she’d dry up quickly (though she wouldn’t be wet in the first place) if it came from the lower value guy.
Obviously I’m speaking in context, and a high value guy isn’t going to just dish out compliments. Though when he wants to, he can, and the pussy will spread wide for him.
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[…] https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/how-to-treat-a-beautiful-woman-like-a-plain-woman/ […]
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