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Do Masculine Women Prefer Even More Masculine Men?

April 22, 2013 by CH

In this post, we discussed a study which showed that women with longer legs appear more attractive to men. (and men with relatively shorter legs and longer torsos are more attractive to women).

A reader speculates about what that sex difference could mean for men seeking to efficiently scour the mating market for effortless bangs.

Just as a strong jaw is masculine, short legs in a woman is also masculine (http://www.femininebeauty.info/leg-body-ratio).

You can easily see in those pictures short legs are masculine and long legs are feminine, and this true for both sexes. This is probably comparable to facial width and finger digit ratio as a “nurture neutral” indication of masculinity.

Women with longer legs prefer alpha males too, but apparently have greater beta male tolerance. If you look at supermodels, and other women with extremely long legs, you’ll see most don’t automatically swoon for bad boys, although they have access to them. A lot of them have photographer, artist and otherwise effeminate boyfriends. However, you rarely see a short stripper type with anything less than a standard bad boy.

I guess I’m saying a heterosexual masculine woman will have a stronger preference for masculine men, or that she has masculine men in her ancestry. The question then becomes, do her masculine genetics increase her attraction to alpha males?

Examples:
Cameron Russell (supermodel) with her boyfriend Andrew Elliott (photographer)
http://www.twylah.com/CameronCRussell/topics/andrew
http://www.fashionfreude.com/2012/11/06/victorias-secret-show-2012/vs/

Bibi Jones (porn star, stripper, etc) with Rob Gronkowski
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/09/19/rob-gronkowski-porn-star/70000681/1
http://wickedimproper.com/2011/11/now-wait-just-a-god-damn-minute/

As you can see from the full-length photos, Cameron is 50% legs to body whereas Bibi is 40% or less.

This reader is touching on something real. While studies are sparse (nonexistent?), it does appear to be the case that, anecdotally and observationally, masculine women tend to go for very masculine men. (Recall that “masculine” does not necessarily mean “alpha“, as we can see by the fact that many effeminate artist types do quite well with cute women.)

So the rule generally expressed is as follows:
Given the axiom that most women prefer men more phenotypically and behaviorally masculine than themselves:

a. Masculine women will prefer very masculine men and avoid feminine men, and

b. Feminine women will prefer men of average to slightly higher than average masculinity and tolerate feminine men.

As a rule, this makes some sense. Sexual polarity is the cosmic force that breathes life into all other psychodynamic human motivations. When the sexual polarity is weak, or reversed (i.e., wimpy, soft men with hard-charging, hard-edged women), any nascent attraction is incapable of being sustained, and any relationship that results from such unions will have more obstacles to overcome and higher risk of infidelities than relationships that are sufficiently polarized by conventional male and female attributes.

Therefore, women will want to choose masculine men to retain that all-important polarity, but the degree of male masculinity required to reach a suitable level of polarity will vary based upon the woman’s own inherent masculinity.

This rule of what I will call “Shifted Female Masculinity Preference” — that is, the idea that the preference of women for masculine men is shifted to greater masculinity in men relative to the women’s own masculine attributes and psychological traits — has plenty of exceptions, and so I would not set my watch to it, nor should you, the efficient pursuer of women, rely on it exclusively to streamline your seduction operations. It’s a loose rule you can use to winnow a lot of prospects to a manageable number.

For instance, if you are a brooding emo WHO DOES NOT EVEN LIFT, you should focus your attention on long-legged women, but never dismiss short-legged women outright. Mesomorphs and “act first, think later” types should tune their radars for short-legged chicks with a twinkle of mischief in their eyes.

Another potential flaw in the rule (besides its lack of robust predictive power) rests in its premise: Are shorter legs and longer torsos really indicative of greater masculinity in women? Manjaws certainly are, but lots of short-legged women have very feminine faces. One way to resolve this issue is to determine if manjaws and short legs correlate in women.

If the rule is accurate and indicative of broad sexual market mating outcomes, we can expect to see greater masculinity in the children of short-legged women, and greater femininity in the children of long-legged women. And, inferring from Satoshi Kanazawa’s (unproven) theory that feminine couples produce more daughters, the former will bear more sons (and perhaps shorter sons) and the latter more (and perhaps taller) daughters.

One other thing we can infer is that less masculine men who date feminine women will compensate for their lower aggression and muscularity by being more psychologically dominant. And in fact one does find that the artist lovers of model chicks tend to be masters in the art of emotional manipulation. The more physically masculine men rely on their presence to assert dominance, but are often weak in the arena of subtle mental persuasion, and have a habit of ostentatiously mate guarding their women, leaving them susceptible to female machinations. This is why more masculine men get used as cat’s-paws by their girlfriends while more feminine — in both body and mind — men are tougher to manipulate. This imperviousness in some men to female manipulation is attractive to many women, and helps create an impression of dominance that fuels the necessary sexual polarity.

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  1. on April 22, 2013 at 1:30 pm Jet Li

    in the japanese cartoon Sailor Moon, the main heroines, the sailor senshi, all are drawn with exagareted and disproportional long legs, and they look very attractive x)

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 11:21 am WhoCares

      This is a fact…

      While i was in Spain, there was this little dyke-ish numbner who was super cute but super-aggro and acted generally like a tough boy. The smooth guys didn’t get anywhere with her but I play-wrestled with her best friend, a tiny colombian who i repeatedly picked up and swooped around, that evening she was all up in my junk even though my earlier attempts at game had met a luke-warm reception. So, yes, this is something i can attest to first hand, Masculine women are NOT attracted to femininity, they are attracted to Men who show EVEN MORE masculinity than their shrieking dyke-selves.

      Unfortunately, most dykes are unbangable, this dyke-ish specimen however was a respectable 6.5. Would bang. ;D

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  2. on April 22, 2013 at 1:30 pm Man Reader

    Wow I’m too tired to follow this one right now. Is my avatar masculine or feminine?

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm evilalpha

      hermaphroditic? That could be a picture of a tranny because of those big knuckles and calf muscles.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm Man Reader

        LOLZLOZLZ you guys are paranoid cause of CH’s tranny post a while back. could be a woman who’s done ballet for 30 years. Hmmm

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm evilalpha

        Who cares how “it” got big calves.
        I don’t like them or big feet.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm Man Reader

        agree. that was one drawback. her dad’s like 6’6″. offensive lineman. she has big hands and feet

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:15 pm Wrecked 'Em

        With hands and feet like that, I’d say her dad was Rodin.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm evilalpha

        2ish years ago I had to cease sleeping with this girl because despite her awesome lower body, she had NBA hands that really turned my stomach.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm gunslingergregi

        should of maintained the proud frame he he he

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:23 pm corvinus

        I lol’d at the link CH put up on this subject:

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 4:15 pm man reader

        gunslinger..still got the proud frame. he hasn’t seen all my pics. not even 1% of them. LOLOLZLOLZZLOLZ. but whatevs my new girls is tiny tiny very feminine

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:31 pm MAN READER

        lolzolzolozlol i didn’t see her hands when they were tied behind her back. lozlololozlzzlolz

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:52 am gunslingergregi

        hahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm Tilikum

        30 years? ice

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  3. on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 pm dana

    this is 100% true, this is why i’ve always exclusively preferred white working class men to my own class, who literally all seem basically gay to me–high dominance women require even HIGHER dominance men and when they don’t get them they become disappointed shrews or lesbians who dominate a more feminine partner

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:46 pm gunslingergregi

      or they dominate the shit out of a dude and make him insane

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm PetiteOlive

      Care to expand? What is *your* class? and why do men of your class seem “basically gay”. The reason I ask is because I think I might agree with your assertion (have being saying the same thing on here for a while). I just need to be sure we are talking about the same thing though! lolz

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm Man Reader

        Sweety plenty of male lawyers also lift and are masculine. Some have done amazing masculine things and stayed fit while being lawyers. u keep fantasizing about criminals tho

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm dana

        working class men are criminals?

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 7:31 pm anon

        old post she’s dating a murderer or something

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:40 am PetiteOlive

        …but to be fair, I said he had *past* affiliations (more sons of anarchy-esque type gang, he looks like Jax teller actually *blush*) and wasn’t sure if he was still involved and wasn’t sure if he’s changed Christian boy image is an act….I now *know* that he is no longer involved and he is trying to be a better man. I also know he acquired his wealth through legal means….he was vetted this weekend.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:04 am Kate

        YAY!!! 🙂

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:24 am Hugh G. Rection

        Heh, that’s what I thought. Biker type scumbag.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 11:21 am PetiteOlive

        @ Kate, I know right?? Whew!
        @ Hugh, hmmmm

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 11:47 am Matthew King

        “Vetted.” WHEW, is right! You may proceed up the garden path now with no further concern.

        It’s like watching an injured Kerri Strug try to hit the A gap in an NFL game. Girls cannot do men’s work.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:57 am PetiteOlive

        and plenty of female lawyers are also super feminine and docile. Some display amazing feminine characteristics and stay soft spoken while being lawyers. U keep fantasizing about strippers and bimbos tho.

        Cardinal CH principle 207: Exception does not a rule make. I am not attracted to white collar guys except the occasional finance executive type. Brutish physical strength and physique tops pure educational achievements for me. Of course there are many white collar men who are strong physically but from personal experience, that is not the norm.

        Another reason why I love working class men: they tend to be less moody, LESS PRETENTIOUS, funnier, more confident, more spontaneous and more go with the flow type of people and I always feel happier around them. I also just wanna come home after work and leave all intellectual conversations and arguments aside and just have fun, ya know? I am just naturally playful but years of indoctrination into my career has made me less stifled. These kinds of men being out my younger inner playful happy self.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:59 am PetiteOlive

        bring*

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 pm Lily

        “he was vetted this weekend”

        What did he tell you, and could you trust what he said? Think careful now……
        __________________________________________________

        “plenty of female lawyers are also super feminine and docile. Some display amazing feminine characteristics and stay soft spoken while being lawyers.”

        When women are fresh lawyers, perhaps. But after years of fighting in court and presenting legal arguments trying to convince judges and juries to side with them, or after years of providing legal advice to clients and drawing up contracts, it’s hard to be “sweet” and girlish. It becomes second nature for female lawyers to sound confident and forceful, and it spills over into their private lives. Most women attorneys are not aware of the transformation in their personalities from the day they left law school to the way they became 10 or 20 years later. They become control freaks, and men don’t like controlling in women. They love women that can let go and allow intimacy to move in; it shows trust and submissiveness. That’s why many female lawyers end up practicing family law (because it’s anti-male) and/or become vociferous lesbians at the same time.

        You have to be very self-aware to pull this off – stay feminine throughout your career. It’s hard work; you have to lead a double life; you have to play a game with yourself. Pretend your office life is your real life, and pretend you are concurrently living a secret double life when you’re not at the firm. Don’t allow lawyering seep into your time away from the office. Don’t even tell people what you do and refuse to speak about anything legal. Even if you have to act bimboish form time to time, do it in order to balance out the lawyering. Yeah, I know, it’s a bit too extreme, but it’s required. And besides, acting like an air head bimbo is a lot of fun too (yeah, I know, I’m shocking some people now). On weekends, read fashion mags or short trashy novels, dress sexy, wear attractive dramatic makeup, make sure you wear high heels, add fishnet to accentuate your sexiness, especially with a “good girl” outfit to add pizzas. Do these things lest you risk becoming a hardened bitch who thinks everyone around her needs to be led and controlled. Becoming a control freak is the curse of the female lawyer.

        Anyhow, I’ve notice a transformation in you for the better. You seem softer, less aggressive, and appreciative of new opinions and ideas. Maybe you’re working on not becoming an obnoxious female lawyer of the type they dread here, and that’s great. Keep it up. Despite this guy’s past, I think he’s bringing out the feminine female in you. If he won’t end up hurting you in the long run, I’m in favor of him. Maybe he’s exactly the medicine you need.

        “Another reason why I love working class men: they tend to be less moody, LESS PRETENTIOUS, funnier, more confident, more spontaneous and more go with the flow type of people and I always feel happier around them. I also just wanna come home after work and leave all intellectual conversations and arguments aside and just have fun, ya know?”

        Yeah, you want to feel like a woman; that’s why you’re reaching for the opposite extreme in order to feel the power of sexual polarity. A guy in a suit doesn’t exude this power at first sight. You can’t feel his rawness as he has learned to control his masculinity. Like you, he has been indoctrinated by the culture.

        “These kinds of men being out my younger inner playful happy self.”

        Yep! Your inner child. You don’t want to lose that. You always want to feel girlish, youthful, full of innocence – a desirable female. That’s why you gravitate towards these types of men. They make you forget about being a modern female with a high-powered career, and bring you back to a state of raw femininity, maybe to the time you just became a woman; before you were indoctrinated.

        I KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL, but you need to control this. Don’t let it get out of hand. Feeling raw masculinity so your femininity could flourish might hurt you. I know it’s the danger you crave, but these men could be risky. That’s why you need it in moderation; don’t overdo it. Is this man refined enough to exercise self-restraint when necessary or is he totally out of control? Find out!

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:01 am evilalpha

        Na. “Legally blonde” is just a bad chick flick. In real life didn’t she turn out to be a drunk loudmouthed cunt?

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:27 am PetiteOlive

        My point exactly

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:42 am Kate

        “I also just wanna come home after work and leave all intellectual conversations and arguments aside and just have fun, ya know? I am just naturally playful but years of indoctrination into my career has made me less stifled. These kinds of men being out my younger inner playful happy self.”

        I know what you mean here, but I still need the smart. Smart men who can take a break from being outrageously intelligent and still know how to have fun are my ideal.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 11:24 am PetiteOlive

        I agree with your point Kate. I am talking *book* smart and even then, like I mean, classically educationally trained type of book smart. I won’t date zoolander or ryan lochte type of dumb or the equivalent of a male bimbo either but I like them smart as well.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:03 pm Matthew King

        Don’t blame this on intellect. The smartest people I know are blue-collar. Adam Carolla is an apex example, particularly in contrast with “elite” Drew Pinsky (they have a new podcast together, finally filling the vacuum left by the irreplaceable early Loveline).

        The autistic nerds have invaded the elite ranks through the “meritocratic” standard (present since the early 1960s, replacing nepotism, class-protection, and legacy hiring) and transformed the aristocracy into a pussy SWPL drone culture. They are not smart. They put on the hipster affectations of smartness as an emblem of their insider-culture. But they are all — all — retarded in every way except in the narrow, useless specialty (pre-war Vietnamese lesbian poetry) which gave them access to that class in the first place.

        That condescending, fagboy NPR lisp is the mark of the modern chump, who thinks he has “outsmarted” the need for manliness. Because their just-as-dorky professors told them so. They do not deserve attention, just dismissal. I have been in plenty of circumstances where they expose their pretensions to intelligence as a façade.

        Apex example of that culture? Barack Hussein Obama. I saw him coming since 2004. He is what we deserve, the best our “elites” can produce anymore.

        Matt

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:56 pm Jason

        Carolla is great. But Pinsky is a working medical doctor in the field of addiction. Exacly what about that screams “autistic” or “not smart”? The guy’s for real. There are thousands of other working M.D.s like him.

        Re: Obama … you’re grasping at straws. He is an outlier in almost every way. Wall Street elites were wary of him in 2008 and verging on hostile towards him in 2012 — a fact that you would know if you’d allow finance to pollute your pure liberal arts consciousness.

        It’s true that he was adopted by many other elites, such the Chicago establishment, but at least until 2008, he still felt apart from them. Read the inside accounts of his campaigns. Nobody could figure him out, not even his aides.

        That all may have changed, of course. Being president has a way of doing that.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:34 pm Lily

        OMG! I heard Adam Carolla recently. Who would have thought! He has more common sense in his little pinky than most highly educated liberals have in their entire useless heads.

        Yep! That is what highly educated means these days, stupid spineless dweebs. Look at PhD holders. They might be very well-versed in their field of study, but they know nothing else, and despite that, they believe they can lecture us about things they know nothing of, just because they have a liberal mindset and think it’s the only way for a civilized person to be. Fools!

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm Inane Rambler

        I’ve seen more intellect, true intellect, among the Neo-Reactionaries than in the entire “elite”.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 5:57 pm Lily

      “high dominance women require even HIGHER dominance men”

      That’s not what CH is saying though. He is saying that women who look more feminine and have more feminine bodies by way of longer legs, prefer men who aren’t that alpha, and might even end up with betas.

      I’m not sure he’s right. It seems he and his reader are basing this mostly on models and strippers they observed. It’s hard to base a study that reflects all womanhood only on those types of women since they’re not indicative of the average female.

      Those types of women are surrounded by a lifestyle that influences their behavior greatly. They usually end up dating men within their circles, as these men have greater access to them and time to form a relationship within their busy schedules. Some date their body trainers, some date their agents, some date their photographers, some date very famous or rich men they meet in parties and in places the rich and famous hang out like Cannes, etc….. And, who said photographers are effeminate?

      In addition, many famous or somewhat successful models choose men based on their financial success or fame (celebs, actors, etc…), and those men might not be either alphas or betas in real life. They might be bisexual.

      Therefore, it’s hard to tell if this theory is right, unless we analyze the mating habits of regular females that have not been exposed to fame and we come up with similar results. But what about strippers, you might say? Strippers too, will often date men hovering around them – those men usually tend to be bad boys. If those same women will float around a different environment, maybe they wouldn’t end up with bad boys. And, who said most strippers/porn stars have short legs? Some are short, some are tall, but many have beautiful shapely long legs. Didn’t we say that height doesn’t have much to do with a woman’s leg length in proportions to her height? An average height woman (5’4”) could have longer legs than a taller woman, if her lower part is longer in proportions to her height.

      I just think all of these assumptions need to be taken with a large grain of salt.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:33 pm Tyrone

        So Lily, are you hot? Do you have nice, shapely legs? What shape are your breasts?

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm Lily

        Oh, oh, Tyrone. If I answer you, someone is going to say I’m showing off or trying to get attention, lol.

        Well, you be the judge. I’m 5-4, slender. Long legs, shapely. I work out. Boobs B cup. I have long straight hair – dark blonde. Face very feminine, no manjaws.

        It’s funny. My sister and I are the same height. We are both trim, but we’re built differently. I’ve longer legs than she has, so when we both wear shorter skirts with high heels (or stand next to each other on the beach in swimsuits) people think I’m much taller and more slender than her. So I know the effects of long legs. They form an optical illusion. But she has wider hips though, which is also a very feminine thing to have besides long legs. Maybe it’s why she is a C cup and I am B. Oh well, a girl can’t have it all. She has to be happy with what she has and work on making that the best it can be.

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      • on April 25, 2013 at 6:49 am thwack

        Lily
        Well, you be the judge. I’m 5-4, slender. Long legs, shapely. I work out.
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        What actress or singer do you most resemble?

        (this is a question for all females commenting on this blog except Kate and Fex)

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 11:14 pm Gracian

        Lily makes an extremely valid and well articulated point.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:23 am Kate

        Salt, yes, but we have to realize we, for the most part, aren’t cognizant of the underpinnings of our own desires, so its worth discussing. Why do some men prefer brunettes to blondes? Its not fiat or whim, its genetic. Its why I shouldn’t even bother with someone with brown eyes. No matter how great I am, a brown-eyes man *biologically* will not be as attracted to a blue-eyed woman. Why? Because he won’t know for sure her children are his- it could be some other brown-eyed guy’s child. On the other hand, blue-eyed men are more naturally drawn to blue-eyed women. They will be able to determine their own children. Now whether or not a relationship involves creating children or not, our internal workings don’t care. We are just following years of outmoded procedure; our bodies tow the line not matter what is going on in our heads. Reading this a while back was literally one of the most eye-opening things I’d ever seen. Its not personal; its biology.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:16 am Inane Rambler

        I guess I SHOULD start paying more attention to a girl’s eye color since I have blue eyes. Could save my life some day.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:13 am Kate

        Mock all you want, but when you really want to separate the wheat from the chaff and find someone who you will be happy with down to your bones, consider it.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:28 am evilalpha

        You used a shitty example. You deserve to be mocked. Nothing you wrote about is down to the bone.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:07 pm Inane Rambler

        I wasn’t mocking, so the above exchange is pointless.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:26 am Hector_St_Clare

        Kate, are you serious?

        People date folks with different eye color *all the time*. For that matter, people date *interracially* all the time (i.e. people who look nothing like them). Personally, I’m not at all attracted to women of my own racial group.

        Brown eyed men may or may not have a preference for brown eyed women (I wouldn’t know), but there are tons and tons of men of all eye colors (and skin colors, for that matter) who are into blue eyed women. The idea that yu shouldn’t bother with someone with brown eyes, is facetious at best.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:57 am Kate

        “Kate, are you serious?”

        Completely.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:14 pm Greg Eliot

        I’ve never been attracted to anyone in the real world except light-eyed women, being stereotypical “Aryan” myself.

        Then again, I always found Sophia Loren and Raquel Welsh somewhat wood-inducing.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:52 pm Kate

        Attracted to is different than recognizing kin. How can we recognize relatives we haven’t seen in years? Why do dogs play better with their own breeds?

        As far as I know, divorce is an American epidemic. When two people come together, they are often merging the cultures of four different groups, whereas homogenous couples bring less inherited cultural baggage. Equalists believe these things don’t matter. I believe they do.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:39 am MAN READER

        The most attractive woman on earth is Adriana Lima, who has black hair and blue eyes. This is an opinion shared by every single man on earth who has seen her. (I guess there are men in Africa or Haiti who might never have had the pleasure of seeing a photo of her.) There are no exceptions to this rule. So obviously this includes millions of brown-eyed men who agree that Adriana Lima, with her blue eyes, is the prettiest creature on earth.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm Greg Eliot

        She’s cute but an obvious mischling… there are far more purebred blondes with blue or green eyes who shadow her.

        I think Kate is making a fair point, if someone badly… like makes like, mixture destroys one half of the equation, sometimes both sides.

        But obviously men the world over are severely attracted to the gold standard of beauty that is, for lack of a better term, stereotypical Aryan… the blue-eyed blonde “aesthetic prop” found in nearly every media including the comics, to innumerable movies, etc., etc., etc. and DUH!

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 11:54 am James

        dimestore psychology. I have brown eyes and every girl I’ve dated exclusively in my life has been blue eyed, blond hair. Blue eyes are pretty high on my list of gotta haves.

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 9:06 pm Lily

        Kate, you realize that blue eyes is a recessive gene, right? That means that a brown-eyed man will always have brown-eyed kids if he has two copies of brown (one from mother and one from father), no matter his wife’s eye color. So I don’t think your argument works with brown-eyed men, but it might with blue-eyed men.

        For a blue-eyed man to have blue eyes, he must have TWO recessive alleles (blue eyes from both mother and father), otherwise his eyes would be brown. Now, if a blue-eyed man marries a woman with brown eyes, his kids will have brown eyes, unless the woman has one copy of the recessive allele, even though it’s not expressed in her outwardly appearance. If that’s the case, then their kids have 50% chance of having blue eyes. However, if his wife also has blue eyes then their kids can only have blue eyes. So maybe that’s what you mean regarding a blue-eyed man determining his children paternity by looking at their eyes. Simply said, if both parents have blue eyes, their children can only have blue eyes.

        Anyway, that’s how genetics used to be understood. Now it seems that we have discovered that it’s a lot more complicated than simply dominant vs. recessive genes. But that’s another discussion.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 1:02 am Zan

        I am 5’7″, slim (127 lbs.), and more of an androgynous woman, and I am more attracted to masculine women and masculine men.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:59 am PetiteOlive

        Well put.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:08 am Hector_St_Clare

        Lily,

        I don’t know about feminine *looking* women specifically. I will say that I came across a study recently (I study plants for a living but behavioural ecology is a side interst of mine) that suggested that women with more feminine *personality traits* are attracted to more feminine-looking, “good provider” type men, as opposed to the ultra-masculine bad boy types. Specifically, women who want to have lots of babies, be taken care of, have semi-traditional gender roles, etc. tend to look for men with slightly more ‘feminine’ features. Women who don’t want many children and are into casual sex, flings, etc. (i.e. the more ‘masculine’ personality traits) tend to look for more ‘masculine’ features. Having *slightly* effeminate/boyish facial features (and maybe personality traits as well) is used as an indicator of being a good provider.

        http://www.academia.edu/2678607/Female_reproductive_strategy_predicts_preferences_for_sexual_dimorphism_in_male_faces

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:03 pm Lily

        “I came across a study recently that suggested that women with more feminine *personality traits* are attracted to more feminine-looking, “good provider” type men, as opposed to the ultra-masculine bad boy types. Specifically, women who want to have lots of babies, be taken care of, have semi-traditional gender roles, etc. tend to look for men with slightly more ‘feminine’ features. Women who don’t want many children and are into casual sex, flings, etc. (i.e. the more ‘masculine’ personality traits) tend to look for more ‘masculine’ features.”

        Well, if PetiteOlive is any indication, then you’re certainly right and this study is right on target.

        Looks notwithstanding, she has masculine personality traits (by her own admission) and she indeed insists on ultra-masculine men, as this study suggests. Review what she says:

        “I am not attracted to white collar guys except the occasional finance executive type. Brutish physical strength and physique tops pure educational achievements for me. Of course there are many white collar men who are strong physically but from personal experience, that is not the norm.”

        I think this makes perfect sense in the real world, which is why this study is probably accurate. I commented above that PetiteOlive needs to feel ultra-masculinity to bring out her femininity, since it’s buried inside a more masculine personality.

        For the record, I wasn’t commenting on this point. I was responding to CH assertions that girls with highly feminine features and long legs like men who are more effeminate. I don’t think it’s true, but if we could find a study proving this, bring it forth.

        Another thing to consider – successful men (specialty Drs, wall street financial types, wealthy computer geeks, real estate moguls, etc…) appear more effeminate than the blue collar worker, but they go after the prettiest girls because they can commend such rewards for their wealth and success. So the girl is attracted to the wealth more than the physical attributes of the man she married.

        Also, who knows? Appearances could be deceiving. Some men might appear more civilized and refined per their careers, but at home they could be very dominating in all aspects. So I think men need to work on their dominating skills more than worry about the fact they are professional men and therefore will not attract highly-sexual females. Like the advice I gave Olive, men too need to lead a double life of sorts – act more civilized at work, while acting more brutish with women in private to offset the indoctrination of the culture. Everything in moderation, of course. Never overdo it, unless you know for sure the woman wants more and more of the ruthless you. Be careful not to get in trouble in this day and age.

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 8:10 am nsjaikumar@hotmail.com

        Lily,

        Thanks for your comment.

        I’m not sure how accurate it is to say white collar men are weaker physically than blue-collar workers. Especially nowadays that mechanization has reduced the importance of strength for a lot of factory jobs, the guy who works in a factory and doesn’t have time to work out might be less muscular than the lawyer who works out every day.

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  4. on April 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm Flavia

    …..but masculinity is a positive trait in men and a negative one in women, so it , as would seem that the women seeking out these men would not have much luck – as they would also be very attractive to less masculine women.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm PetiteOlive

      I see what you mean. Perhaps, the more masculine men can tolerate a little bit more masculinity in their women depending on how physically attractive said women are? Maybe there is a spectrum of negativity associated with some masculine traits that are exhibited by women e.g. abrasiveness/aggressiveness vs. funny/ambitious….the latter, while still masculine, can perhaps be more easily forgiven and/or tolerated and/or admired (to some extent) among men in general. I will be interested in hearing other thoughts on this!

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:04 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Solid points, PetiteOlive. I’d love to see some male commentors weigh in on them.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:29 pm Matthew King

        Her sex life depends on it.

        Have you tried taking a sander to that jawbone?

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 5:50 am James

        “Perhaps, the more masculine men can tolerate a little bit more masculinity in their women depending on how physically attractive said women are”

        generally calling a woman masculine is a shortcut for “not physically attractive”, so your point is a nonstarter. If you think thats not true call a woman masculine and see her reaction.

        masculine men won’t tolerate masculinity in their women because they don’t have to. it is the less masculine men that these women don’t want who are more likely to tolerate their masculinity.

        [CH: An exception would be the attractive feminine looking woman with a masculine psychology. They do exist. That Rebecca chick with the hilarious Twitter feed about lazy sorority sisters is an example of just such a woman. How bod, cute face, male temperament.]

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:15 pm Matthew King

        “Masculine psychology” isn’t attractive at all. Men tell themselves that because they are confusing the traits they find attractive in (share in common with) friends for the complementary traits they seek in mates. No dude wants to marry his best friend. (No matter what all the self-composed nuptial vows say.)

        That Rebecca chick is cute despite her manliness. She is also attractive because she doesn’t just signal availability, she broadcasts it with a klaxon — pretty package, less work wooing. Just imagine those tweets coming from a tatted-up hog with a crew cut.

        I heard Amanda Thatcher was into double penetration too:

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      • on April 25, 2013 at 7:14 am thwack

        masculine men won’t tolerate masculinity in their women because they don’t have to. it is the less masculine men that these women don’t want who are more likely to tolerate their masculinity.
        ————————————————
        Not challenging your position, but I would marry any one of these women despite what you consider their “masculine traits”. All people are a combination of Yin and Yang. Women more yin than yang; men more Yang than Yin. Female athletes have their yang on the outside and yin on the inside. Its a drilling operation. You gotta hit it with the shaft and break on thru to the juicy center.

        Dawn Harper can’t hide them titties.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:14 am evilalpha

        What you said is true of all men. Physically attractive women need to have less going for them in the femininity department than less attractive women, because of course men value looks very much.
        But you are correct that there are masculine traits in women that are deal breaker while other are not.

        I hate screaming, man hands/shoulders and careerists.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:06 am bob

        “I see what you mean. Perhaps, the more masculine men can tolerate a little bit more masculinity in their women depending on how physically attractive said women are?”

        The hotter she is, the more leverage she’s got over men. This is nothing new at all, men judge women mainly on looks. Who knows what the percentage is, I’d say attraction is about 80% body / 20% everything else.

        That’s an old news. 🙂

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:55 pm Matthew King

        the latter, while still masculine, can perhaps be more easily forgiven and/or tolerated and/or admired (to some extent) among men in general.

        The toleration is proportional to her physical attractiveness. We overlook ugly personality traits with the promise of getting her to the place where their unattractiveness is muted and where our will is sovereign: bed.

        All things equal, men do not want a single molecule of masculinity in women. Zero-point-zero percent. A girl’s manliness — fighting, being domineering, playing tough, cracking jokes, being employed — can only be attractive insofar as it indirectly highlights her irreducible femininity, e.g., wearing a man’s shirt, but the tits beneath cannot be repressed. That’s why when women get mad men find it cute rather than intimidating. Ladies are playing at being a man, but the high pitched grrr reminds us of the essence that cannot be concealed. That’s also why women aren’t funny. Attention seeking through personality/action is pure manliness. Attention seeking through passive appearance is feminine.

        A man farting on his friend’s head is funny. A woman farting on her BFF? Fucking gross.

        Call it the Jenny McCarthy index. She was scorching hot in her heyday — Playmate of the Year — and parlayed her beauty into a hostess gig on MTV, where she made it a point to out-raunch everyone. Belch, joke, pick her nose, etc. It subtracted from her attractiveness quotient but she had a superabundance to spare, and her fearlessness made her stand-out from her peers. So the very ugliness that diminished her natural beauty counterbalanced itself by the unique attention she got from it. When she calmed down and shut up, all that remained was her good looks, which is the distinguishing female asset.

        Matt

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm cynthia

      If you ever watch Millionaire Matchmaker, this comes up quite frequently. I know that woman’s a hot mess, but she makes some good points. Her take on it is that masculine energy attracts feminine energy, and most of the masculine female clients she gets have a really hard time attracting those masculine men that they’re interested in.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 am Jason

        Yeah, I’ve watched that show, and that host is great at quickly profiling women. She said she has trouble placing women over 45 with men, and if they’re 15 pounds overweight it’s simply impossible. She told that one go-getter CEO-wannabe divorcee that she had to tone down the masculinity, but it didn’t seem to work.

        Reality bites.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:16 am evilalpha

        What you say only applies to LTR. Looks attract men regardless of energy.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 8:30 pm Tyrone

      It’s important for such women to channel that masculine bent into their sex lives. Then a great deal is forgiven.

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  5. on April 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    Yeah, the dating dilemma for a manjaw is finding somebody who’s more of a man than I am.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 9:26 am Hugh G. Rection

      Maybe look for a dyke with a 9 inch clit?

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:13 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Vom.

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  6. on April 22, 2013 at 1:54 pm feministx

    I don’t know what kind of data point I am regarding this. I have certain strongly masculine elements to my personality, but I can’t remember the last time I rejected a guy for lack of masculinity. I pretty much feel that nearly every straight guy is a lot more masculine than I. My boyfriend is kinda an effeminate arty type. But then he is a sicilian dude with half his family in the mob so he kind of has that macho element to his personality.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm evilalpha

      You sure do sound like a man.. data point? etc…

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:55 pm PetiteOlive

      Challenge: Make a couple relevant string of posts without mentioning the Boyfriend. :p….jk. I don’t mind/care (that much)

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm feministx

        kk. I have been considering the results of the study that noted that longer legs were preferred in women while shorter legs were preferred in men. If this preference is present for all races, it would suggest that ethnicities with higher leg to torso ratio come from a result of generations of reproduction that favors male preferences. If a group has higher torso to leg ratio, that would potentially suggest a favoring of female mating preferences over generations.

        But then I would consider the Japanese as a case study. Of all races, Japanese people seem to have the highest torso to leg ratio, but nothing in their present culture would suggest that they come from ancestry favoring female mating preferences. As we can see with anime, japenese men inherently prefer longer legs, but they were somehow not able to actualize this preference over all their past generations. Also, though japenese women are short legged relative to their height, who would call their psychological profiles masculine?

        The original study (with manipulated leg lengths) indicates that longer legs are preferred by men, but the study does not itself indicate that the possession of longer legs in a woman confers greater internal femininity unless “feminine” is defined as whatever men prefer. The issue is that a paradox is created by this sort of dimorphic mating preference (not all sexual preferences are dimorphic. For example, thinning hair is not preferred by anyone). A group of people with long legs to torso can potentially result from generations of male preference winning over female preference in reproduction. In that case, the men and their desires would be dominant over time. However, in that case also, the men end up with a ‘feminine’ attribute over time themselves, long legs. Hence, the possession of long legs in a woman may not be an indication that she herself is feminine or attracted to less masculine men. It may imply that she has inherited a greater preference for dominant men from her foremothers or it may indicate that she has herself inherited the more dominant profiles of her forefathers. Or it can, as heartiste implies, indicate that a woman’s foremothers somehow preferred or were not bothered by men with longer legs despite general preferences to the contrary.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm Jet Li

        oh yes, long legged- short torsed anime characters for the win x) like the sailor senshi

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 pm cynthia

        The Japanese also gave the world tentacle porn. On the bell chart of human sexual behavior, they are most definitely an outlier. So much so that basically nothing from their culture can be included in rational conversation.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 11:48 am Jet Li

        (-_-;) and (-.-) tentacle porn is hardly Japan’s only out-there erotic category ,(1) the Japanese create this stuff; (2) we buy it — the U.S. is a big market for comic-book-style (manga) and animated (anime) Japanese erotica, collectively known here as hentai. (Back in Japan this term is reserved for content considered genuinely abnormal.) So there are people all over who get off on things like this, the reason for the reliance on tentacles was simple. till 1993 Japanese law prohibited straightforward depictions of penises. so Japan was obliged to come up with a substitute: tentacles, tentacle porn is hardly an outlier in the world of Japanese erotica, the difference is that Western porn, including the comic book and animated variety, tends to be largely realistic, apart from the gravity-defying boobs, the Japanese, in contrast, are big on fantasy and surrealism : P

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm cynthia

        Dude, I grew up on anime, I took Asian Studies in college, I spent two years in Tokyo. I fucking know. I also know that their entire porn industry is sort of weird and that there’s far weirder shit out there if you look.

        Doesn’t change my basic point that sexual appetites in Japan are strange enough that their preferences as far as body composition go really can’t be considered if you’re talking about normative male tastes.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 6:00 pm Lily

      Just wondering. Don’t you think that your BF who is 30 years older than you and who doesn’t turn you on when he touches you, is not a good example of this? Maybe you have some secondary incentives to be with him???? Maybe it’s why you are desperately searching for something within his character to make him appear in your mind more masculine than he really is – “sicilian dude with half his family in the mob so he kind of has that macho element to his personality. “

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:50 am feministx

        Hey. Somehow I am with the guy and once I liked sex with him. He does seem more effeminate than my ex boyfriends but still he was able to attract me long term.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 5:54 am James

      every sicilian or italian I’ve known has claimed their family has mob connections. just like every black guy is a producer and its every stripper’s first day. its all bullshit.

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  7. on April 22, 2013 at 1:55 pm Third Beta From the Sun

    I think a look at the manjaw’s (presumably alpha) Dad would be more revealing.

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  8. on April 22, 2013 at 2:01 pm Sidewinder

    The other variable however is that masculine women are hornier. Almost all of my F buddy relationships have been with either tall women, or the shorter-legged variety, which both indicate higher masculinity or testosterone.

    So while a more artsy guy may not be her cup of tea, the DTF nature of these more masculine chicks more than makes up for any preference towards more masculine men. The other good thing about these more masculine women is that they really enjoy being power slammed. They are really turned on by the power dynamics and want to be used.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:17 pm anon

      Agree.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm evilalpha

      Lots of my fuck buddies were high school/college lacrosse, volleyball or field hockey players. Makes a lot of sense.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm Zombie Shane

        > “F buddy”

        > “fuck buddies”

        Y’all ever consider settlin down with these chicks and makin some babies with em?

        In case y’all have missed every demographic report of the last decade, the population of the white race is in the process of collapsing, imploding, and disappearing into extinction.

        It sure would be nice if y’all [and y’all’s fuck buddies] could pass on some of y’all’s genes.

        Before it’s too late…

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:27 pm evilalpha

        I’ve got plenty of time… but since prenups aren’t respected anymore… I may just spend the rest of my life banging whores and stringing along LTR’s

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm Zombie Shane

        Meanwhile, the white race heads closer and closer to extinction…

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm evilalpha

        Meanwhile… each person has his own role to play on a team. Mine is probably not to be fruitful and multiply. I am of more use improving other areas and you need realize that when you beat your drum

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:21 pm Theodore Logan

        I’m betting what we know now as western civilization will collapse before Whites go extinct. I think when North America and Europe reach the situation that South Africa is currently in, you will start to see a significant change in Whites returning to Traditional ways. Until then, enjoy the decline, man.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:44 pm Modern Primitive

        Apperntly not, leftists will fail to propogate, leaving the white race largely in the hands of traditional conservatives. Someone put a link up in the comments section the other day about it, but I can’t seem to find it atm.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 6:00 am Zombie Shane

        “Meanwhile… each person has his own role to play on a team. Mine is probably not to be fruitful and multiply. I am of more use improving other areas and you need realize that when you beat your drum”

        Listen up, genius, a WIFE is nothing but a “fuck-buddy” who pushes out your progeny – your issue – your heirs.

        If you have a harem of fuck-buddies around town who aren’t giving you any babies, then you’re an effective polygamist who is depriving the White Race of its future – who, by the very nihilism of his purposeless fucking, is depriving the White Race of its very RIGHT TO EXIST.

        So man up, grow some balls between your legs, and start putting some buns in those ovens.

        “B-b-b-but that means I won’t be able to play World of Warcraft anymore!!! I-I-I-I’l have to start driving all those babies to swim practice and to piano lessons and to ballet rehearsals and I-I-I-I’ll even have to try to remember how to solve those quadratic formula problems in their math homework!!!”

        Damn straight.

        Now get to work, mother-fucker.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:17 am evilalpha

        “Listen up, genius, a WIFE is nothing but a “fuck-buddy” who pushes out your progeny –

        Na. I’m not legally liable to fuck buddies. Ya see, I prefer having a bitch in my pocket, to having a bitch in my pocket.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 pm Zombie Shane

        “I’m not legally liable to fuck buddies.”

        You’re MORALLY liable to each and every one of your fuck buddies when you deprive them of their very best child-producing years by purposelessly fornicating with them without any babies resulting from it.

        You’re MORALLY liable to your ancestors who [by contrast] purposefully copulated so as to produce the line which resulted in you.

        And you’re MORALLY liable to the White Race to make sure that it doesn’t go extinct.

        Every purposeless act of fornication which you engage in is one more lost opportunity to extend your fuck-buddy’s line, to extend your own line, to extend your ancestor’s line, and to ensure the survival of the White Race.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 pm Zombie Shane

        ancestor’s = ancestors’

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:34 am Hugh G. Rection

        Maybe you can enlighten me on why I owe the white race anything? Many of “my people” don’t even like themselves very much, forget about other white people. And those in the white supremacist camp would probably love nothing more to string me up alongside the rest.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm Zombie Shane

        Why do you owe the buffalo anything?

        Why do you owe the sequoia trees anything?

        Why do you owe the bald eagle anything?

        Why do you owe the snail darter anything?

        Why do you the spotted owl anything?

        The white race is in the process of going extinct – right before your very eyes – and all you little alpha-poseur cunts can get it up for is the idea of sodomizing a “7, 8, or 9” in her anus?!?

        Here’s an idea: Use “Game” as a technique for achieving something purposeful in life, like bagging the girl of your dreams and then spending the next decade or two making 4 or 6 or 8 babies with her.

        Then teach your sons about “Game” so that they can return the favor [with 4 or 6 or 8 grandchildren each], and teach your daughters about “Game” so that they can distinguish the alpha-poseur cunts [whom they need to avoid at all costs] from the real men [whom they need to be considering as possible husbands].

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm thwack

        I regret to inform you; I will not run, nor will I accept, a nomination to be a member of the white race.

        If called I will not serve.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:50 pm Greg Eliot

        Nevertheless, you’ll always be our ‘dark horse’ candidate.

        LLOZOZOZOOZLZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZL

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 4:09 am Hugh G. Rection

        Not a very convincing argument.

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 5:44 am evilalpha

        No here’s an idea. How about you calm the fuck down and listen.

        Anyone can just as easy make “4 or 6 or 8 babies with her” after a decade of sodomizing a bunch of feminist indoctrinated 7,8, and 9’s.
        And guess what… those assfucked feminist won’t breed. They’ll spend their fertile years being whored out and turn into cat ladies with ZERO offspring. Addition by subtraction helps too, ya know.

        You have the emotion of a girl and the reasoning skills of one too. Not a good combo, dude.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm PetiteOlive

      Yes.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 4:49 pm cynthia

      The other good thing about these more masculine women is that they really enjoy being power slammed. They are really turned on by the power dynamics and want to be used.

      Maybe because it makes them feel feminine? Being forced to submit isn’t something highly masculine women normally experience in their day to day lives.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:50 pm PetiteOlive

        and
        Yes.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm Matthew King

        Right. In that case her essential, inescapable femininity is brought to the surface to contrast with her masculinity, which is only manly in context. Her masculine pose/natural traits are thrown into relief against her feminine essence and are exposed for the anomalies they are.

        That’s Rappaccini’s Daughter tranny-game. She mentions her masculine features/personality and thereby indirectly highlights what is feminine about herself. This is attractive because it invites men to “power slam” her back into alignment, or prove that no matter how many external tells, she is still a woman in her bones. She may watch football and measure her digit ratios and scratch her ass but in bed we will remind her that the superficial transsexuality can only go so far.

        There is nothing attractive about those traits per se, except as a challenge for men to prove their genuine masculinity against her disingenuous cross-dressing.

        This does not work the other way around. A transsexual/fey man undermines his masculinity whereas cross-dressing/manly women highlight their femininity by contrast — because manliness proved in action and movement while femininity is defined through appearance. And transsexuality is an appearance switch designed to conceal essence.

        Matt

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:47 am Jason

        And vice versa. All those rumors about captains of industry wanting to be spanked by dominatrixes are probably based in empirical fact.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm Matthew King

        Not at all, never, no.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 6:56 am Gracian

      Yes. Masculine women and athletic women are hornier (for biological/physiolgical reasons).

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 9:53 am Hector_St_Clare

      I’m pretty sure I’d rather have occasional sex with a super-feminine girl than frequent sex with a more ‘masculine’ one.

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  9. on April 22, 2013 at 2:08 pm Glenn

    Chateau, what do you think I should go for:

    -Intoverted
    -Stoic, zen-like ability to be unphased by bitching and bullshit
    -Very deep voice (think Pinhead from Hellraiser)
    -Ectomorph, 5’9, handsome face (I’m told), slightly weak jawline
    -Left-brained thinker

    So I guess with regard to masculinity, my features are mixed. I know that hyperactive drama whores aren’t into stoic types, and I’d rather not bother with them anyway.

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  10. on April 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm Steve Sailer

    Heterosexual lady athletes tend to marry male athletes: Babe Didrickson married professional wrestler George Zaharias, golfer Nancy Lopez married baseball player Ray Knight, Olympian Jackie Joyner married her coach Bobby Kersee, sprinter Florence Griffith married Jackie’s long-jumper brother Al, Chris Evert has married three jocks including Greg Norman, Mia Hamm married ballplayer Nomar Garciaparra, Steffi Graf married Andre Aggasiz, and so forth.

    In fact, I’m having a hard time thinking of non-athletes that famous lady jocks married: maybe some lesbians married their gay agents as beards?

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm gaoxiaen

      I think that merkin is more appropriate than beard.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm Zombie Shane

        MERKIN

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 6:35 pm Boom boom

      question is, who’s tapping Lolo Jones?

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  11. on April 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm Mark II

    Not that anecdotal evidence outweighs the larger picture, but my personal experience runs contrary to this. I’m a quite beta-looking beta (at least in most ways): wide eyes, youthful/boyish looks, ectomorphic frame, introverted (INTP) temperament, among other things. I’ve been told repeatedly, unbidden, by males and females that I’m good looking but come off as gay. And, the few women I’ve been able to attract have been quite masculine.

    Of course on the other hand, I do have a masculine brow ridge, jaw line, a near psychopathic disregard for the opinions of others (at least outwardly), and height. But I don’t think that outweighs the former traits; nobody that’s acquainted with me would ever refer to me as an exemplar of masculinity. Sperginess though? Definitely.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm Nicole

      If you have a butt and a walk that looks like you’re not lazy in bed, then pretty won’t detract from the air of dominance.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 4:54 pm cynthia

        Coming off as gay does, though. Which is a hard thing to quantify or change about oneself, and doesn’t necessarily rely only on appearance.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:52 pm Modern Primitive

        Funny, I get accused of being gay all the time.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 6:37 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

        Me too. But I just tell my boyfriend to shut the fuck up and keep sucking.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 9:29 pm gunslingergregi

        da truth really does hurt don’t it
        he he he

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm Zombie Shane

      “the few women I’ve been able to attract”

      What kind of exercise are you doing?

      Any strength training?

      Any cardio?

      And more to the point: If you had to choose one descriptor, would you call yourself “soft/flabby”, “muscular/ripped”, or “scrawny/emaciated”?

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm Mark II

        These days I’m pretty emaciated, and a bit pudgy. Skinny-fat, as it were.

        I used to be in pretty good shape, especially when I was still an rotc cadet. I had a a sharp pudge free jawline and nicely built lower body, but my upper body just refuses to put on a significant amount of mass (I did all the compound lifts you’re ‘supposed’ to do). I do have pretty broad shoulders though, actually, but a slender chest/torso. So I guess I’m a meso-ecto.

        I remained a virgin throughout this entire period. When I declined to commit to the Army I largely lost my motivation–and by happenstance I lost my virginity shortly thereafter. Of course I don’t think that women actually prefer my now-skinny fat physique over the toned one I had before, but it’s still hard to bring myself to go through the effort when I’m really not one to enjoy physical exercise in and of itself and it apparently wasn’t that necessary.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm Zombie Shane

        “These days I’m pretty emaciated, and a bit pudgy. Skinny-fat, as it were.”

        Dude.

        Combine the relaxed, insouciant, easy-going, carefree attitude that you get [or at least that you learn to fake] from studying game, with a ripped, toned, masculine body, and you’re set.

        But “skinny-fat” is gonna be a tough sell.

        And “skinny-fat” + “spergie”?

        Whew.

        There might be few millionaire/billionaire psychopaths who can pull it off, but if I were you, then I’d be lifting three times a week and doing calisthenics and getting at least a little light cardio every day.

        Do you even wanna get laid?

        Seriously.

        Suck it up and get yourself in shape.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:39 am Hugh G. Rection

        I always think it sounds dumb when a man says he “lost” his virginity. To a man, it’s not something valuable anyways, and you don’t lose it, you go out and actively try to get rid of it.

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 9:07 pm Lily

        You’re right; men don’t even possess virginity. It’s a modern statement.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 5:08 pm cynthia

      I’d say your experience probably confirms this idea, even if CH didn’t take it to the end conclusion. Just because masculine women want a masculine guy doesn’t mean they’ll end up with one; just the opposite, actually.

      Relationship power dynamics dictate that opposites attract. Two matching masculine polarities are going to result in discord, fighting, or divorce. Those masculine women who instinctively want to dominate are not going to be able to make it work with a guy who wants to dominate them. Being male doesn’t automatically guarantee a place at the top of the relationship. There’s not necessarily anything wrong with that, but if you don’t ever want your girlfriend asking you about pegging, it’s probably something worth changing.

      My two cents? Two things seems to work well for guys I know like you; aging out of those little-boy features, and turning assholish tendencies into humorous personality assets.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:07 am Gracian

        I agree with the first 2 paragraphs above.

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  12. on April 22, 2013 at 2:37 pm Who Me

    I started to trail off at the end there but at least for me, I think the proportions of a girl’s legs might be as important if not more important than their length in relation to her overall height. Shapely thigh and skinny ankles on legs that aren’t proportionally long are more feminine to me than long twig legs that end in natural cankles like on a female college basketball player.

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  13. on April 22, 2013 at 2:43 pm NightHawk

    I’ll be honest, thinking about it I’ve always been attracted to shorter women. When I think about it, I guess they really did behave in a more masculine way.

    What does this say about guys like me? is it more or less Alpha to go for shorter women, or more or less Alpha to go for leggy broads?

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 4:44 pm Kevin

      You’re probably high dominance and want a woman you can throw around a bit without going to jail.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:36 pm Greg Eliot

        want a woman you can throw around a bit without going to jail.

        If she runs a liquor store to boot, then that’s my special angel… sigh.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:38 pm MAN READER

        The ideal woman is 5’1″ and 102 lbs.

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      • on April 25, 2013 at 1:30 am Jason

        No, she’s 5’8″ and 130 lbs.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 9:40 am Hugh G. Rection

        Or the butchers daughter….

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 5:26 am NightHawk

        I guess things are just more fun that way. For both of us.

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  14. on April 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm Heywood Jablome

    This is over-thinking things. Just pursue whomever you have the hots for, others’ opinions be damned.

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  15. on April 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm gig

    My boyfriend is kinda an effeminate arty type. But then he is a sicilian dude with half his family in the mob so he kind of has that macho element to his personality

    Amazing the stuff you can convince girls of if you say it properly. Has he ever ordered you, while in a restaurant, to go to the toilet, remove your panties and bring back to him?

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm feministx

      Lol, no. Who behaves that way anyway? Never came across such a man.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm Rogue Male

        “Never came across such a man.”

        Though the mere thought of one moistened your panties immediately, right?

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 5:45 pm feministx

        Def.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 6:32 pm Rogue Male

        Typing with sticky fingers?

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 5:45 pm evilalpha

      When I lived in CA, we had parties and wouldn’t let girls enter unless they left their panties in a basket at the front door. Most loved it, some would fuss, but they all would do it.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 6:00 pm feministx

        I wouldn’t be caught dead at such a venue.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm Rogue Male

        Um, you don’t seem to be wearing panties in your avatar…confused much?

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 6:39 am feministx

        Right? I’m loose enough to wear not a whole lot in internet anonymity, but even I wouldn’t think of entering a party where a guy told me to take my panties off before entering. Where was this party? San Fernando valley with porn stars as invited guests?

        Men fantasize about women with no discrimination or sexual standards. Women that drop their panties at any request. In reality, women aren’t like this. Even my stripper friends wouldn’t enter a party like that (they only do that stuff coz they get paid to do it).

        I’d totally remove my panties for my boyfriend. But not for a first date. And most certainly not for a party host who was asking everyone to do it. You gotta make me feel special when you tell me to remove my panties in public places. I’m not prudish. I’m being normal here.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm evilalpha

        You’re stripper friends are whores (paid)… they simply weren’t smart enough to get into state school, join a sorority and becomes sluts (free). Secretly you envy both. Run, hamster run.

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 9:11 pm Lily

        feministx, I agree with you completely here. Your hamster isn’t running in this instance. Agreeing to remove panties for a party is loose, and it also means that you know there is potential to have sex or to be forced to have sex and you’re OK with it. It’s like going to a man’s apartment on the first date. Why would you be there if not to have sex? At least, that’s what most reasonable men would think, and they are right. Same thing with willfully removing panties for a party. Why else would you do it if you weren’t at least entertaining the idea of having sex during the party?

        That said, I think evilalpha is telling the truth. Some men are so bold, they run these types of parties. This is nothing compared to what’s out there – believe me. And, I also believe him about the girls loving it. Of course they loved it; it’s so tantalizing for girls to play these type of dangerous games. They love the scenarios and the possibilities that could develop.

        Think about it: When a woman removes her panties, she feels more vulnerable and exposed. It’s almost like losing some of her control and her protection. Remember, rape? Women love the idea of not giving consent and being forced against their will. Removing panties when told to, is one step closer to that eventuality.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 8:26 pm Anonymusk

        In other words, “I’m too classy to get what I really want.”

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 10:46 pm Marky Mark

        You probably wouldn’t have been invited

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 6:40 am feministx

        I wouldn’t have. I’m not the sort you would invite to this party (which I think never happened).

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:24 am evilalpha

        Actually, femX profiles like the girls who found the gangbang room… but I could be wrong.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:24 am evilalpha

        You doth protest too much.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 3:47 pm Rogue Male

        Fuck, she would have arrived at the party WITHOUT ANY PANTIES TO BEGIN WITH. False flag much, fx?

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 7:36 pm thatgirl

        As do I!

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      • on April 24, 2013 at 4:40 pm Rogue Male

        That’s the spirit, sluttykins.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 6:03 am James

      “Amazing the stuff you can convince girls of if you say it properly”

      Absolutely.

      I once had a girl tell me her boyfriend bench pressed 900 lbs. (which would have been a world record at the time). She honestly believed it.

      Remember that line in Training Day.. “Its not what you know, its what you can prove”… well when it comes to your status with women, “Its not whats true, its what she’ll believe.”. Just ask FemX, her boyfriend is a capo for a mob in Sicily.

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  16. on April 22, 2013 at 2:58 pm Karrde

    Great post. I wonder if masculinity and feminity in a couple are like two opposite polarities, and when they combine they annihilate each other to reach zero. In this scenario, the most masculine men would prefer the most feminine women. The other possibility, laid down by this article, is that they aren’t really polarities, but more of an Overton window sort of thing. Highly masculine partners will be with each other, since that minimizes the size of the window, and similarly for highly feminine partners.
    I don’t know whether highly masculine men prefer highly masculine women, or if all men prefer feminine women. The difficulty is compounded by the fact that most men prefer to think of themselves as highly masculine.
    I personally get repulsed by masculine women, even the attractive ones. I don’t know whether that is because I am feminine and hence threatened, or because I am masculine and prefer feminity in my partners.

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  17. on April 22, 2013 at 3:04 pm Arronski (@Arronski)

    Remember with models, height and shapeless bodies are masculine. And their features are generally angular; they don’t have pretty girly faces. In fact the only notably feminine trait is their long legs.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 4:06 pm Wrecked 'Em

      That’s because fashion models are picked by gay men.

      Perhaps you meant swimsuit or lingerie models? FIFY

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm feministx

      “One way to resolve this issue is to determine if manjaws and short legs correlate in women.”

      Interesting that the quote in CH’s original post referenced cameron russell as an example of a long legged woman. I would call her face extremely masculine as she has both prominant heavy brows and a man jaw. You can see this in many pics of her. In candid shots, she often is captured as though she is not even pretty (she can be very pretty, but not from all angles)

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 9:05 pm Wrecked 'Em

        Best Cameron Russell…

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 6:32 pm gig

      Yeah, because no men would ever touch a girl like Kate upton!

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    • on April 24, 2013 at 7:40 am Anonymous

      Maybe in the 90’s, but nowadays we have the likes of:

      and

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  18. on April 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm NightHawk

    Bibi Jones / Britney Maclin would fuck anything with a pulse. Check out the video of her on Howard Stern (I still would’ve loved to have run into her when my British ass lived in AZ for the 1st half of last year!)

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  19. on April 22, 2013 at 3:27 pm july

    Bro, DYEL?

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  20. on April 22, 2013 at 3:27 pm dannyfrom504

    “SHE GOT LEEEEEGS!!! she knows how to use ’em.”

    never really notices a woman legs unless she’s in heels. THEN they get attention. especially when they go up and make a perfect ass out of themselves. wokka wokka.

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  22. on April 22, 2013 at 4:14 pm ARoss

    Seems a lot like Seinfield http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL4cmFW_GU

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  23. on April 22, 2013 at 5:25 pm Ruxman

    This all makes sense, biologically we all have our primal partners, I work out but it won’t change my height or ratio between torso and legs.

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  24. on April 22, 2013 at 5:26 pm saint of killers

    Someone critique my text game:

    Me: bet you wish you were on the road like me

    HB 7.5: actually i wish i was outside enjoying this beautiful day

    Me: maybe i’ll stop at the beach on the way…

    HB 7.5: i would be jealous

    Me: don’t worry i’ll send pics

    HB 7.5: do you have any plans this weekend?

    Me: not yet

    HB 7.5: well now you do

    Me: so bold! lol

    Me: alright you’re on

    HB 7.5: are you curious where we are going?

    Me: are you curious that i’m not curious?

    HB 7.5: i’m always curious (my name)

    Me: ok i’ll bite, where

    HB 7.5: somewhere exciting 🙂

    Me: oh you’re naughty

    HB 7.5: if you say so

    Me: i do say so

    HB 7.5: okay then boss

    I think I did alright in trying to steer the convo in a subtle sexual direction. The girl is 20 so I want to get the bang fast and then eject if necessary. It helps that she asked me out, indicates high interest (i had asked her out first but had to cancel when my mom killed herself a few nights ago). I often fuck up text game so I’m always open to suggestions.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm Mitch Cumstein

      Sorry to hear about your mom. This interaction is headed in the right way and all, but shit…

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm saint of killers

        Thanks man, we weren’t real close (she essentially abandoned are family) but I can’t help but feel responsible because I ignored her for most of my adult life. Trying not to think about it too much, but it is hard.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:58 pm Matthew King

        Ha. Talk about burying the lede, bro.

        The girl is directing the text conversation too much. Work the dead mom angle in there.

        HB 7.5: do you have any plans this weekend?

        Me: b4 or after i bury my mother?

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 10:30 am bob

      “HB 7.5: are you curious where we are going?”

      You were supposed to take the lead right there. Don’t let her chose where you are going to meet. She can SUGGEST something, but ultimately YOU chose.

      I’m afraid you might have lost her there, your answer (“Me: are you curious that i’m not curious?”) was too wordy, too complicated, too heavy. Something like : “I’m not because I get to chose the venue, so I know already” would have been better. She would have followed why a basic “oh, really?” shit-test, which you would have passed with a laconic “yeah, really”. After about 2 hours of silence, busy taming her hamster, she would have finally sent: “so, where do we meet?”.

      The first part of your exchange was really good though, your first three texts are right on the money.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm Matthew King

        “are you curious that i’m not curious?” is not just clever wordplay and conversational command but it’s less “wordy” and “complicated” than the response you offered as substitute.

        But his concluding replies are too reactive to her frame. (“I’ll bite.” “You’re naughty.” Repeating her language without twisting it.)

        HB 7.5: i’m always curious (my name)

        Me: curiosity killed the pussycat. you’d best stay home

        She’s already obviously interested and in the playable position. Now she needs to be teased. Then given very specific instructions, perfect for text. “Be ready anytime between 7:30 and 8:45.” She found a way to call him boss, now he has to act like one.

        But you’re right, letting her even think about picking the venue is a bad foot forward.

        Matt

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  25. on April 22, 2013 at 5:32 pm Scray

    FR —>

    Friday: Got stuck doing social circle shit. Fun interactions and all that.
    Sat —>

    So, Nightly can’t come out, but two of my natural friends and an AFC want to go out to a club. Ya, all right I’ll go with them and open some sets, whatever.
    I’m noticing that a key way to gain respect is to simply not take shit in a cool way.
    Like, check this interaction:

    Natural1: Blah blah blah, I like Denzel Washington (looks at me) I know -YOU- like Denzel Washington. (pause) See it’s funny cause he’s half-black. (Laughter)
    Me: Ha, ya. (Takes empty beer can, beans him in the forehead — kinda got away from me before I even realized what was happening lol….I blame the increasing testosterone…massive laughter)
    Natural1: …the fuckin balls on this guy.

    …
    Get to the club. Naturally we end up on the dancefloor. We’re kind of standing around, and I stand there for a few seconds, notice a 7 dancing near me, and I just do the chode thing and ask her to dance. /Denied.

    I look around the dancefloor, and I realize that I need a plan. The first plan is to build value and stop standing alone like a faggot. So, I get in the center of where my friends are, and I just start doing some crazy dance moves (I’m not a bad dancer). My buddies get into it soon enough and start getting rowdy. This gets the attention of everyone around us. Then, I notice this chubby girl wander into orbit, and I grin at her and sort of spin her into Natural1 — he’s a pleasure of sex guy, and so, as I intend, soon enough they’re grinding away.

    AFC guy does his AFC thing and does crazy, but uncoordinated dance moves — soon enough he’s half taking his shirt off and double-grinding with the chubby chick. Now, we’re getting some attention. I notice a 3 set of chicks, Quiet5.5, Cute6.5, Cool6, standing closeby. I’m wearing a vest (Natural1 earlier said it made me look like Bizarro A.C. Slater lol) So, anyway….I turn to them…

    Me: My friends think I look like a bizarro A.C. Slater, is that true?!
    (all three start laughing)
    Me: (to Cute6.5) So……which one of you guys wants to get on the right side of these dimples? (smirk)
    Cute6.5: Oh my gawd…
    Me: (puts my hand on her shoulder)DON’TYOUOHMYGODME…
    Cute6.5: (freaks out! bitch snarl suddenly) DON’T TOUCH ME, YOU DON’T KNOW ME
    (O noooooooooo….it’s like my first FR all over again. But then, I manage to relax, and I look her dead in the eye: “Keep Calm and Smirk On” is how to best describe the feeling. I’m still looking at her, when I address the group)
    Me: Your friend over here….HATES me
    (Now I look at her friend)
    Me: I’m just a shy guy trying to talk to some people, tryin to keep it honest
    Cute6.5: Oh bullshit, shy!
    Me: (I thumb at her) She always like this? Geez. I’m about to cry.
    Cute6.5: I just don’t like to be touched
    Me: YA, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A REAL FUN TIME, BUT NOW IT’S ALL OVER….GREAT, GEEWHIZ
    Cute6.5: (laughs) Oh my god you are so full of shit
    Me: Y’know, where I come from we just apologize for being rude.
    Cute6.5 (rolls eyes): Hahahaha, I’m sorry for freaking out.
    Me: (grins) Accepted…..I can’t believe you caved, dork.

    Blah blah blah…now we have a perfect storm of activity. Natural2 is just real tall and going back between the 3 set and the wild grind-sesh. We’re having more fun than anyone else on that dancefloor. What happens? Shy6 turns and looks over at us. When her eyes settle on me, I stick my tongue out at her and cross my eyes. She smirks, shakes her head (no, it wasn’t a playful headshake, it was a ‘you’re a creep’ headshake at first glance), and looks away.

    Naturally, I just leave the 3 set and come to stand right behind her.
    Me: Hey, I’m right behind you, so if you bump into my dick, now you know.
    Her: (turns around, looking at me skeptically) Okay, thanks
    Me: You’re a bitch.
    Her: (eyes widen)
    Me: You gave me a dirty look! I actually just walked over here to tell you that.
    Her: You walked all the way over here to be mean to me?
    Me: YA. DEAL WITH IT. (puts hands on hips…silence for a second, takes a deep breath) K. well, I didn’t really have an escape plan. (we both laugh) Awk-waaaard.
    Her: You should prepare for these things.
    Me: (beading my eyes at her and shaking my head)
    Her: (looks at me for another second, continues to sway a little, dancing)
    Me: ….(chode error probably)….so you wanna dance?
    Her: (she smirks…and turns toward me, her hands go up and around my neck, mine go to the small of her waist) All right. (we dance for a minute or so and I catch her eyes) ….you know, you’re short.
    Me: Oh….no I’m not, I’m just really far away….(pulls closer) See. Better.
    Her: (still looking at me, smiling) You’re still short.
    Me: (grinning) You’re still a bitch.
    Her: (and then….it happens. A glimpse of DDB…..before suddenly, she just kind of backs away….abruptly takes her hands off me)
    Me: Something wrong?
    Her: …I just can’t dance, I don’t know how. I’m not good at it.
    (lolwtf….I blink a few times, then I notice that she has a fat friend dancing right next to her — yikes, totally didn’t even realize)
    Me: Oh ya, okay, take your time…..
    (I engage fatty fun friend and just dance and party with her for awhile…..Shy6 kind of stands there, staring..I’m not sure what her deal is. What I do notice is that two taller, better looking guys ask her to dance. /DENIED. Eventually, she somehow winds up near me again and so we start dancing again….she’s pretty sinuous with it. Then, she turns around to face me and looks away….I can’t really figure it out, where am I at?)
    Me: So I wanna get to know you better. What color do you hate?
    Her: (thinks for a few seconds, leans in) Blue.

    Blah blah blah, ‘oh nice, ya fuck that color b/c…’ partial DHV story about me wanting to do something good for my mom so I painted her room her favorite color — blue, except that it wasn’t her favorite color. But she was so surprised by the gesture that she just kept the room that color to this day anyway (true story, save the actual colors). So it’s kinda DHV, it’s kinda comfort….maybe? Idfk.

    Me: (she still averts eye contact while we dance) …ha, you’re kinda shy, right?
    Her: (quick, demure nods) I’m very, very shy (then looks at me)
    Me: Yeah. You’re a real sweet girl.
    (DDB look again….and SHE leans forward and we start. making. out….mind/blownoutsidemyreality…after awhile, she retreats again…)
    Me: What’s wrong?
    Her: ….just….
    Me: Ha, what, we’re just dancing
    Her: We already danced.

    (She goes and confers with her friend urgently…then she walks by, I take her hand)

    Me: What’s wrong, you seem real nervous
    Her: Yeah, I -am- nervous, I’m -married-, okay!

    (mindblownoutsidemyreality again…I’m just sort of dumbfounded)
    Me: Oh, okay
    (I don’t really say anything, I just sort of watch them slip away….herp derp………)

    ——-

    By now, Natural1 has already fucked Chubby in the bathroom…his words “ya bro, we fucked in a stall. it was gross. I’m having an awesome night.” Natural2 has taken several incriminating pictures of Natural1 “the good thing with fat chicks is that you fuck the folds too….” Natural1’s comeback? “…of course. I don’t want to get her pregnant.”

    That original 3set is still there, so I come back to them, and I try to get that party going again. This time, though, I don’t wait for any eye contact. I just approach Lebanon6 (it’s a situation where she was probably a 7 in her day, but she’s like early-mid 30’s looking).

    So this approach was pretty funny (to me) I just kind of dance in front of her…

    Me: K, what’s up?
    Her: Nothin, just havin a good time, you?
    Natural1: This guy is like A.C. Slater, if you know what I mean….
    Me: (smirks, we both look at him, he waggles his eyebrows)
    Natural1:…in that he’s got a huge dick. (slinks back to mack on the original 3 set. I turn back to her. Fairly sure he’s drunk lol)
    Me: So ya, I’m just waiting for the right moment to take out my dick. (grins)
    Her: (she frowns) well that’s not going to be any time soon
    Me: Oh ya? Dope. Hey, just let me know when I’m creeping you out k? (spoken as I move closer, putting my hands on her waist, looking at her)
    Her: All right, I will.
    Me: K, cool…(pulls her closer) Now?
    Her: (looks me in the eye) Nope.
    Me: (Could I kiss her, right now? Could this happen again so soon? I chode out…instead I just play bongos on her ass…she laughs)

    I do a ton of c/f, DHV stories, engaging her friend the obstacle (Natural2 tried to talk to her friend, who was like a 5.5-6 too, but she didn’t seem too into it)….manage to get both of them off the dancefloor to a quieter area. I start to notice that every time she looks at me in the eye, she looks away and laughs. Time to fall back on the old battleaxe

    Me: You keep looking away from me…do you want to kiss me?
    Her: (looks away again, laughs….I just smile)
    Me: Simple question.
    (Direct eye contact, and boom…we kiss……)

    Interspersed with makeout sessions of increasing intensity, we share. She likes classic rock, I like classic rock — it makes us FEEL this way. She plays poker, I play poker — we FEEL like this when we play. She likes movies, I like movies — the best ones are ones that make us FEEL like… Somewhere in the midst of all this, in my mind I’m like wait, this is comfort! She isn’t from here and is only in town for two more days. So now, I’m like ‘well shit, name of the game is escalation….’ I -ask- (probably a mistake, but I didn’t know how to just ‘lead’ both of them outta there) if they just wanna take a walk to their hotel, which is nearby. Her and her friend confer — thank God I got in good with her friend. But then….

    Her: Ya sure, let’s walk…but, as a question, what do you expect to get out of tonight?
    Me: (Oh shit, is this some sort of shit test? Uhhhh, uhhhhh, uhhhh) …ha just having a good time, fun? Is that not allowed?
    Her: Ya well you’re not getting any sex tonight. Just so you know.
    Me: (uhhhhh, uhhhhh, short-circuit….) Ha, relax already…..I don’t even know what sex is.
    Her: Mmmmhm.
    Me: Ya, you’re the first girl who’s ever liked me.
    Her: I call bullshit on that. You probably run your game on all these girls here. Such a player
    Me: (outside of my reality that anyone would even believe that, so I just smirk and shrug)

    Her friend actually goes and does her own thing for awhile — yaaaaa, she’s almost like a wing woman. Now it’s all on me. In my mind I’m like ‘k, is this ASD? Is that what I’ve been dealing with all night? Solution is more comfort, rite?’ After another little makeout and talk she’s like…

    Her: ….so tell me something else
    Me: I don’t have to tell you shit
    Her: Oh, okay….
    Me: (takes her hand, looks at it…she tells me about how she broke her hand fairly recently, and I tell her a story about how I broke the fingers — on accident — of one of my very first HS crushes — true story lol)
    Her: (laughs)
    Me: Ya…….so, I like the color blue, so be on watch for me fucking you up for hating blue.
    Her: …..I didn’t say that I hated blue. (she gives me a pointed look)
    (Mental blink…o nooooooo that was the OTHER girl…..I just sit there with an impish grin on my face)
    Her:…..ahahahaha, you fucked up! Can’t even keep your girls straight.
    Me: (I just start to laugh)…….your face fucked up. Fuck you.
    Her: Mmmmhm
    Me: Which color did you say you hated again (I lean closer)
    Her: Peach…(most sexual kiss of the bunch)

    So what happens? I can’t break the ASD…I just drop her off at the elevator. Phuuuuuck. I got her number and everything during the interaction. She said she couldn’t promise we’d hang out the next day because it was her last night with her friend or whatever. Goddammit. Gay. Not enough attraction/comfort? UGH!

    —–

    Lebanon6 falls through, as planned the next day. I have a Day2 with Tall6.5. I’m terrible at it generally. I don’t have the skill to pass sudden shit tests after having already made out with someone. Anyway, Tall6.5 is just a litany of ‘ya, we’re not a love match’ ‘ya, you’re not my type,’ ‘ya, this is the best conversation I’ve had in a long time, but we’ll never…’ I mean…just bomb after bomb after bomb randomly dropped. I was too intimidated to kino much, or to even try and kino….I just tried to follow optimal strategy and kind of shrug off whatever she said with things like ‘lol cool story’ or whatever.

    —-

    Overall general social interaction trend — I notice that girls try and tool me more. However, given my experiences in the field…I’m viewing that as a good thing. Of course, all I have to go off of is the vibe as I perceive it, which could be in my own mind. But, nowadays I kinda think they get a little attracted and try to avoid it by talking shit. And the better I get at it, the more popular I become.

    But ya, these last two weeks have been weird for sure! Any help’s appreciated, tear it apart, tear me apart….gonna continue to Keep Calm and Smirk On.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 6:34 pm immoralgables

      Dude I was cheering for you with the shy hb6 and when Lebanon shit tested you on the sex. One thing you might want to try next time when a girl lulls that stunt is to destroy her reality and flip her script.

      “What do you mean? I’m not going to have sex with YOU. I can’t even believe we kissed, I usully make girls wait at least three dates until we even do that. I want you to get to know me better”.

      Scray, btw I think you handled it fine but try flipping the script sometime. You will know what to say because its the same thing that women say to us!

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 7:05 pm Scray

        Ahhhh, you’re right you’re right. Next time, for sure. Rookie mistakes.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm Scray

        What about Shy6? Like I’m still trying to figure out what I could’ve done/said that would have made her more comfortable with me.

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      • on April 22, 2013 at 9:36 pm immoralgables

        Ima yield to the more advanced commenters but isolate to the bar or a venue change. Or if she’s a truly a shy girl and worried about her rep then solid number close and set up a day 2!

        Also, on your day two with the tall hb6.5, I had those same painful day two experiences starting out last year. You’ll get the hang of it I promise my man. First you’ll get the logistics down, then the kino down, then the kiss close, then the plausible excuse to go back to your crib. It’s similar to running a set, there is so many things to work on that you’ll improve one thing at a time.

        You will succeed tho in this area. If you want one thing to work on for a day two then get a formula down that’s easy to stick to.

        1) meet at bar or lounge for drinks and run rapport and cocky funny and start doing kino
        2) say you’ll get the tab but she can get the round at this really cool bar across the street
        3) amp up the sexual vibe at venue 2 and try to go for a kiss there
        4) use a cover to go back to your place (my first times after learning game last year was to see my pet Japanese fighting fish *beta fish* back at my place and it worked)
        5) take it from there

        Keep up the good work my dude I learned a lot from your FR you have a great way of getting into the nuances of social dynamics.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:57 pm Scray

        Thanks for the tips man, I’ll be sure to try and apply them where I can.

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  26. on April 22, 2013 at 5:37 pm santa666

    Not sure if troll or actually that feckin crazy…

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  27. on April 22, 2013 at 6:01 pm Mitch Cumstein

    A masculine woman is forever yearning for a feminine WOMAN to call her own. Even if she never fully comes out, she’s saddled with lesbian angst.

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  28. on April 22, 2013 at 6:29 pm martinmunson

    Thanks for linking back to my blog and blowing up my server.

    [CH: Woops. Sometimes I forget the number of readers here.

    (now *that’s* how you do humblebrag.)]

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  29. on April 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm gig

    Lol, no. Who behaves that way anyway? Never came across such a man.

    A very alpha cousin once gave me this tip. Whenever girls got too boring in restaurants he would either remove their panties himself, if situation allowed, or ask them to remove it in the toilet

    And a tip: girls will allow much more freedom than men think reasonable. Much more

    The bs about the mob femX wrote made me remember this story

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  30. on April 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm Simon Corso

    Pardon me for asking , but who gives a fuck what masculine women prefer ?

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 8:31 pm Fearless

      Omegas with masochistic tendencies who are into self-flagellation. Anything is better than the couch crease they’re used to. God bless their little hearts.

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  31. on April 22, 2013 at 7:34 pm Dan

    C’mon CH, Sailer was on this years ago when Jerramy Stephens beat up Hope Solo….for the first time.

    Dan in DC

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  32. on April 22, 2013 at 8:22 pm Bob Boy

    Aaaand here we go with the Boston bomber groupies –

    http://twitchy.com/2013/04/22/the-twisted-tweet-lust-for-boston-bombing-suspect-jahar-is-hot-can-blow-me-up-with-babies/

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  33. on April 22, 2013 at 8:42 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    Does anyone else find the orgasmic satisfaction of Bibi looking at a thumbnail of herself in the camera just a little disturbing? I’m looking at the pic from http://wickedimproper.com/2011/11/now-wait-just-a-god-damn-minute/. It’s like all her brain capacity is activated to behold herself.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 9:23 pm santa666

      yeah but does she have one of these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7oXqn9BZ4SU

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        Wow. I hope she was joking. I’m pretty sure we need to unleash free market forces ’cause all-engrossing narcissism, which must be real in enough cases, is bad for the gene pool and culture. Do your goodness, the Decline, do your wholesome goodness. lollolzlolz

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 4:57 am martinmunson

      Well, she’s a retired/unretired porn star at the age of 22. Part of her ‘job’ is to tweet sexually enticing pictures of herself. It’s not for everyone, I guess, but it is for me (and maybe 90% of all males.) Thanks for visiting my blog, that’s an old one but happy to see the link from this blog,

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  34. on April 22, 2013 at 9:13 pm Greatest Beta

    OMG beta of the CENTURY!!!!!

    We have guest over at my parents house, business partner of my fathers.

    Dude is 50 with 2 kids. Wife cheated on him TWICE! First time 5 yrs ago he forgave her the second time she cheated he was WILLING to give her yet another chance…SHE’S the one who left him! WOW!

    I told him “dude I don’t know how you remained so calm I would have killed her the first time” the guy looked calmer than a cucumber.

    I swear it must be genetic because this guy was calmer than a cucumber while I literally felt my head swell and blood boil. The man came from a good family the girl was 24 when he got with her 8 year age difference the guy is good looking in decent shape ran his own company.

    At least the bitch is paying child support…as an RN she makes 120k lol he shows 50k.

    It makes sense that a cheating whore would choose a calm man to be with as she knew and understood her cheating nature. I’ve expressly told all my gfs after 6 months that they risk physical violence if they cheat on me especially if things are serious. Some of us are simply wild men I’m one of those I’m not pounding my chest tough guy style it’s biological and learned from my crazy mother. I’ve beaten men women children animals when I get angry any recognition of consequences go out the window. It’s much better today but you cuckold me you risk a smashed face…consequences be damned.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 9:21 pm Jim

      Agree on all points above. Though I got my temper from my father, i think he singlehandedly kept US Gypsum in business with all the holes in the walls he had to fix.

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  35. on April 22, 2013 at 9:38 pm Johnycomelately

    Does this mean Southern Italian, Greek, Anatolian and Caucus women are the most masculine women on the planet? They certainly are of the short legged variety.

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  36. on April 22, 2013 at 10:11 pm Dan

    Greatest Beta, some of us don’t have that problem. Get your shit together.

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    • on April 22, 2013 at 10:38 pm Greatest Beta

      Dan,

      By and large I’ve improved tremendously. That being said some of us simply have loose screws. Both of my grandfathers have shed blood. My moms dad killed a bunch of Germans and Italians in world war 2. And not some air strike bs I’m talking bullets to the heart. Both suffered wounds both had PTSD. My dad used to work shipping lines he got booted from one of them for grabbing a knife during an altercation. Growing up that guy would get crazy at times and break shit, phones, doors, etc. I would lol when he’d flip on my crazy mom.

      Some of us are simply more violence prone than others. There is, after all, a reason why so many damn wars have been fought. Not gonna lie, I think it’s funny how so many people are afraid of force while it comes as second nature to me.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 12:21 pm man

        he means the problem of getting cheated on in first place moron

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm fRAT bOY

        he means the problem of getting cheated on

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  37. on April 22, 2013 at 10:26 pm whorefinder

    This may explain why many masculine women today are “coming out as ;lesbians” rather than in previous generations.

    When you observe butch dykes today, and strip away their self-conscious attempts to mimic men (masculine hairdos, weight training, pathetic attempts to be “manly”) in previous generations they would have been the wives and gfs of truck drivers, union guys, and manual laborers.

    I remember watching the old documentary “Cat House”, which was filmed, I believe, in the 1980s or 1970s. I was surprised when I saw truckers trying to sleep with the more manly chicks there. You can watch old “realistic” (i.e. arty movies about poor people) movies from the 1970s to see the same thing—big masculine hairy trucker dudes took up with loud mamas (for a more modern take, see Dog the Bounty Hunter, whose wife is a classic loud-mouthed-fat bitch who would probably have gone dyke had Dog not been around.)

    As we’ve become more automated and pushed masculine behavior on women whilst deploring it in men, we’ve created an imbalance where we have more manly women find fewer masculine males worthy of mating. So they warp their sexuality into something perverse like permanent muff-diving.

    P.s. this is why we had legal sex discrimination in work and finishing schools for bitches—to keep the girls just girlish enough to have enough mates. Women, stupidly, could not see that being more girlish actually benefited them.

    Women want a man to out-man them. The more feminine the chick, the less masculinity she needs to satisfy her need for a “masculine” man. This is what old broads used to mean when they said they wanted a man “who could handle them.” Feminazis have lyingly warped this into meaning. that forcing more women to be loud and brassy was the way to go.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm Third Beta From the Sun

      ‘Women want a man to out-man them.’….agreed, but i think they also want you to at out-man or at least match, their Dad.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm Kate

        The weaker the dad, the stronger the cad.

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  38. on April 22, 2013 at 10:32 pm whorefinder

    This post was made for our resident future-topless-bikini-shot poster Rappaccini’s Daughter.

    RAPE!

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  39. on April 22, 2013 at 11:07 pm Rum

    Of course more masculinish females need ultra high doses of intra-vaginal T injections in order to for them to remain calm and to constrain themselves from violent attacks on the innocent.Even small children understand this perfectly.
    Or you could quote F. Neitzsche directly: “Whoever goes to a woman needs to bring a whip.” And good pair of riding spurs so she will never feel neglected. I might add.

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  40. on April 22, 2013 at 11:26 pm Dan

    Yes, I’m prone to violence as well. 5 brothers- grew up fighting etc. Long military history. You just shouldn’t ever have threaten girls not to cheat on you. It should be the furthest thing from their mind. Makes you look weak.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 3:42 am Greatest Beta

      True that on weak appearance. I just know myself I’m still a greek villager at heart, living under california be damned.

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  41. on April 22, 2013 at 11:39 pm paul

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/885e1d28-a7c0-11e2-9fbe-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2RFeSPVFJ

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  42. on April 22, 2013 at 11:52 pm Third Beta From the Sun

    Two million Mexicans can’t be wrong! 😀

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  43. on April 23, 2013 at 12:06 am Loc

    I wonder if the more masculine girls also care more about the physical attractiveness of males than feminine girls do. I’ve had this gut feeling and it seems plausible. Anyone care to share their thoughts?

    [CH: I think your gut is right. This dynamic is especially noticeable during the woman’s ovulatory week.]

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 11:47 am James

      I hate to go all HBD up in here, but I’ve also noticed black women care more about physical attractiveness in their men. Satoshi Kanazawa had something to say about their masculinity. This fits with your hypothesis.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 10:28 pm Loc

        I don’t really interact with Black women so I’d have no idea about that. Don’t they have higher testosterone levels than females of other races? I think they do so your observation would be right in line with this hypothesis.

        @Heartiste
        Yes, that’s a good point.

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  44. on April 23, 2013 at 12:43 am avd

    This is for everyone, though younger guys may have to research it a bit. This is intended to be a silly uniting post that crosses multiple lines. I’ll keep it brief. I just listened to greatest hits of both Journey and Hall & Oats. That shit is classic; holds up over time. I personally lean toward more testosterone driven fare like Rage and Metallica, but damn, these are some good albums. Yes, more beta than I prefer, but fun music, nonetheless. Anyway, just sharing some positive vibes with the community. Enjoy… or hate away, as you deem fit.

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  45. on April 23, 2013 at 3:47 am tyrionlannister69

    1)Women prefer greater masculinity when they think themselves attractive than when they think themselves less attractive.

    2)Women with high (unattractive) WHR and/or relatively low facial attractiveness preferred more “feminine” male faces.

    3)women prefer greater masculinity in male faces at times when their fertility is likely to be highest (during the follicular phase of their cycle) if they are in a current romantic relationship.

    4) Women’s preferences for masculinity in male faces are highest during reproductive age-range and lower around puberty and post-menopause.

    http://facelab.org/Publications/abstracts?id=17

    http://facelab.org/Publications/abstracts?id=183

    http://facelab.org/Publications/abstracts?id=224

    http://facelab.org/Publications/abstracts?id=35

    http://facelab.org/Publications/abstracts?id=281

    http://facelab.org/Publications/abstracts?id=331

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  46. on April 23, 2013 at 5:03 am martinmunson

    “Thank You!” to the more than 800 Heartiste faithful for visiting our BiBi Jones blog (and helping me incur bandwidth charges.) Here’s another that contains an important poll created for an intelligent audience such as this.

    http://wickedimproper.com/2011/10/is-it-true-that-drinking-coors-light-makes-your-pussy-smell-rotten/

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  47. on April 23, 2013 at 7:24 am Gracian

    Just a simple, yet always overlooked point:

    1. Female fashion models are NOT examples of what heterosexual males are physically/sexually attracted to.

    2. Female fashion models ARE examples of what HOMOSEXUAL male fashion designers use to ‘accessorize the clothing’ (e.g. the female body is not their focus). The purpose of a female fashion model is pretty much that of a ‘walking clothes hangar’.

    3. Swimsuit models, video vixens, and porn stars ARE examples of what heterosexual males are physically/sexually attracted to.

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  48. on April 23, 2013 at 7:49 am gunslingergregi

    SWPLs gone wild. The photo at the top is priceless. nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyr… 12 hours ago ”””””””’

    I guess nothing new really people just think they cutting edge
    I was already running around like a savage sands pampers when young
    my mom had every book on child rearing known to man he he he

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 8:13 am Kate

      OMG, I hope my sister never sees that article.

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  49. on April 23, 2013 at 8:24 am Good Ole JR

    On the subject of maculine women, here’s a peach of gal at U of Maryland writing to her soririty sisters RE greek week. This has gone viral. Might be older, but makes a good point RE the value of higher ed. Enjoy.

    If you just opened this like I told you to, tie yourself down to whatever chair you’re sitting in, because this email is going to be a rough fucking ride.

    For those of you that have your heads stuck under rocks, which apparently is the majority of this chapter, we have been FUCKING UP in terms of night time events and general social interactions with Sigma Nu. I’ve been getting texts on texts about people LITERALLY being so fucking AWKWARD and so fucking BORING. If you’re reading this right now and saying to yourself “But oh em gee Julia, I’ve been having so much fun with my sisters this week!”, then punch yourself in the face right now so that I don’t have to fucking find you on campus to do it myself.

    I do not give a flying fuck, and Sigma Nu does not give a flying fuck, about how much you fucking love to talk to your sisters. You have 361 days out of the fucking year to talk to sisters, and this week is NOT, I fucking repeat NOT ONE OF THEM. This week is about fostering relationships in the greek community, and that’s not fucking possible if you’re going to stand around and talk to each other and not our matchup. Newsflash you stupid cocks: FRATS DON’T LIKE BORING SORORITIES. Oh wait, DOUBLE FUCKING NEWSFLASH: SIGMA NU IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO HANG OUT WITH US IF WE FUCKING SUCK, which by the way in case you’re an idiot and need it spelled out for you, WE FUCKING SUCK SO FAR. This also applies to you little shits that have talked openly about post gaming at a different frat IN FRONT OF SIGMA NU BROTHERS. Are you people fucking retarded? That’s not a rhetorical question, I LITERALLY want you to email me back telling me if you’re mentally slow so I can make sure you don’t go to anymore night time events. If Sigma Nu openly said “Yeah we’re gonna invite Zeta over”, would you be happy? WOULD YOU? No you wouldn’t, so WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO IT TO THEM?? IN FRONT OF THEM?!! First of all, you SHOULDN’T be post gaming at other frats, I don’t give a FUCK if your boyfriend is in it, if your brother is in it, or if your entire family is in that frat. YOU DON’T GO. YOU. DON’T. GO. And you ESPECIALLY do fucking NOT convince other girls to leave with you.

    “But Julia!”, you say in a whiny little bitch voice to your computer screen as you read this email, “I’ve been cheering on our teams at all the sports, doesn’t that count for something?” NO YOU STUPID FUCKING ASS HATS, IT FUCKING DOESN’T. DO YOU WANNA KNOW FUCKING WHY?!! IT DOESN’T COUNT BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN FUCKING UP AT SOBER FUCKING EVENTS TOO. I’ve not only gotten texts about people being fucking WEIRD at sports (for example, being stupid shits and saying stuff like “durr what’s kickball?” is not fucking funny), but I’ve gotten texts about people actually cheering for the opposing team. The opposing. Fucking. Team. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?!! I don’t give a SHIT about sportsmanship, YOU CHEER FOR OUR GODDAMN TEAM AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN TO A SPORTS GAME? ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? Or are you just so fucking dense about what it means to make people like you that you think being a good little supporter of the greek community is going to make our matchup happy? Well it’s time someone told you, NO ONE FUCKING LIKES THAT, ESPECIALLY OUR FUCKING MATCHUP. I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don’t give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.

    “Ohhh Julia, I’m now crying because your email has made me oh so so sad”. Well good. If this email applies to you in any way, meaning if you are a little asswipe that stands in the corners at night or if you’re a weird shit that does weird shit during the day, this following message is for you:

    DO NOT GO TO TONIGHT’S EVENT.

    I’m not fucking kidding. Don’t go. Seriously, if you have done ANYTHING I’ve mentioned in this email and have some rare disease where you’re unable to NOT do these things, then you are HORRIBLE, I repeat, HORRIBLE PR FOR THIS CHAPTER. I would rather have 40 girls that are fun, talk to boys, and not fucking awkward than 80 that are fucking faggots. If you are one of the people that have told me “Oh nooo boo hoo I can’t talk to boys I’m too sober”, then I pity you because I don’t know how you got this far in life, and with that in mind don’t fucking show up unless you’re going to stop being a goddamn cock block for our chapter. Seriously. I swear to fucking God if I see anyone being a goddamn boner at tonight’s event, I will tell you to leave even if you’re sober. I’m not even kidding. Try me.

    And for those of you who are offended at this email, I would apologize but I really don’t give a fuck. Go fuck yourself.

    [CH: Yeah, this babe Rebecca has a masculinized psyche. Which explains why she’s so fucking funny. Too bad she deleted her Twitter account.]

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 3:46 pm Matthew King

      I would follow her to the gates of hell. The finest rallying speech since St. Crispin’s Day.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 8:31 pm PetiteOlive

        That was beautiful<3

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  50. on April 23, 2013 at 12:14 pm BetaBlocker87

    More irrefutable evidence that chicks dig psychopaths: Tweeting about how “hot” the bombers are.

    http://twitchy.com/2013/04/22/the-twisted-tweet-lust-for-boston-bombing-suspect-jahar-is-hot-can-blow-me-up-with-babies/

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  51. on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

    I think Kate is right about eye color. My wife has brown eyes. I have blue eyes. Both of her children by her first husband have blue eyes. Her daughter, who is of course off-limits to me, I find very attractive. She is in her 40s and I am in my 60s. When we are together, I feel a lot of electricity there. It’s a nice problem.

    Oh, you thought brown eyed women could not have blue eyed kids, me too. But I was wrong. There may be doubt about who the father is, but there is no doubt about who the mother of these two blue eyed kids was.

    Blue eyes are really hot.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm evilalpha

      Do blue eyes really add that much to a woman’s hotness? Colored contacts for the daughter?

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 2:45 pm Kate

      “Oh, you thought brown eyed women could not have blue eyed kids, me too.”

      There are fewer odds though, right? I’d like to think I remember something from high school biology 🙂

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    • on April 24, 2013 at 7:30 am James

      eye color isn’t the punnet square you were taught it was. two brown eye parents can even have a blue eyed child.

      the surest sign of infidelity however, is two blue eyed parents with a brown eyed child.

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  52. on April 23, 2013 at 1:50 pm Blessent

    OT

    “Absolutely. That’s why you don’t fight a cornered pig unless you’re prepared to make the killing blow.”

    This has to be stressed. Cathedral leftoids constantly put out a let’s-have-a-discussion, let’s-not-be-too-harsh, our-weirdo-outlier-boundary-pushers-shouldn’t-lose-their-jobs vibe. Real conservatives, paleo-conservatives, real-talkers have to stick the rhetorical shiv in and twist it and poke around until vital organs are irreparably cut. I want Bryan Caplan and his open borders bs mocked until he submits to reality and changes his tune or loses his job and is reduced to handing out strip club coupons on 7th Avenue.

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  53. on April 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm Ronin

    Gaby Reece and Laird Hamilton.

    And also the public-shit-test of the century; I believe [insane narcissist] Salma Hayek once said [just after breaking up with Edward Norton],

    “What confuses and scares me most about men is the way they are so weak. Well, most of them. That’s why they pretend to be detached and macho because they are very weak and fragile underneath. They structure their lives so they don’t have to deal with their emotions and feelings. That scares me. My mother always says, ‘When are you going to get married?’ And I say, ‘When I find a man that has more balls than I do!”

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm Kate

      Salma Hayek dated Edward Norton? I liked him in The Painted Veil, but come on. She needs to be with an Alec Baldwin.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 4:34 pm Anonymous

        Or Jayne Cobb.

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    • on April 23, 2013 at 2:34 pm Man Reader

      Proves everything we say here. Women mistake kindness and true niceness for weakness.

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      • on April 23, 2013 at 2:39 pm Man Reader

        I should have added empathy. Men worry about CIVILIZATION itself, as this blog shows. Women’s blogs are about handbags and shoes. Literally. They are children. Women mistake men’s concern about “everything” as “very weak and fragile underneath.” This bitch Salma literally mis-interprets concern for civilization and interprets it as “fragile underneath” in her fucked up selfish female brain. Or in other words she looks down on the very thing she should find admirable.

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    • on April 24, 2013 at 4:23 am SFG

      Given how many of our emotions are things like ‘I hate this guy and want to kill him’, I think this makes perfect sense.

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  54. on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 pm gunslingergregi

    my chick came in and started taking off her pants and underroos
    I said whatcha doin
    she said about to rape you
    and then she did
    might have some masculine tendencies
    he he he

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  55. on April 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm Anonymous

    >and men with relatively shorter legs and longer torsos are more attractive to women

    False.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jan/17/humanbehaviour.psychology

    [CH: CH did take care to note that that was a weak conclusion of the original cited study. Namely, that the sketches of the longer legged men made the legs look thinner, which would influence results. The findings for the women stand tall. Heh.]

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