We had to search high and low, but we finally found it: good news for feminists and growly cougars!
Via valued commenter Chris (who adds his commentary), scientists have found that men DO NOT prefer maximally fertile women.
Useful facts: Residual Value=0=hitting the wall. [ed: RV means “an individual’s future reproductive potential or total expected reproductive success from the present time forward”.]
Men evolved to find max RV attractive=late adolescents most attractive, not most fertile i.e. not women in early-mid twenties.
New word learned=nulliparous. [ed: it means “never having borne a child”]
On page 116:
“For any given woman, RV is age-dependent. It increases throughout childhood as she successfully passes through a period during which death but not reproduction is possible, reaches a maximum at the beginning of the reproductive period [typically the late teens], and steadily declines thereafter, reaching zero at the onset of menopause. […]
A number of authors have argued that men are attracted to features associated with RV…. In particular, some authors have argued that men are attracted to features associated with women’s age of maximum RV, late adolescence… And indeed, many studies show that sexually attracted features are maximally developed in women at these ages. Women’s breasts, for instance, develop at puberty, reaching adult size by late adolescence. Men are particularly attracted to breasts that are firm, upright, and characterized by relatively reduced nipple pigmentation. These features peak during adolescence and in young, nulliparous women… Women’s waist-to-hip ratio (WHR) is a phenotypic indicator of the ratio of gynoid fat distributed throughout the hips and buttocks to android fat around the abdomen. In many modern and traditional populations, men find women’s bodies with relatively low WHRs (around .7)… particularly attractive. WHRs reach minimum values during adolescence and, on average, rise as a function of women’s age and parity…”
Feminists rejoice! The “prime fertile age” trope has been debunked!
Oh, wait.
Hold on a sec. Still reading…
What’s this? Men actually prefer women YOUNGER THAN MAXIMALLY FERTILE?
Men are most attracted to late adolescent girls?
Oh, fuckity fuck douchecanoe douchenozzle. {fistpump retracted} I am a sad feminist hanging onto sanity by a snarky ASCII thread. I shall now retreat to my Jezebel hovel and make up a few more empty-headed neologisms using the words “douche” and “fuckity” to gently escort my battered ego back to the confines of a safe, protective femcunt circle diddle.
What was on first glance thought to be good news is now bad news for feminists and growly cougars:
Men sport the hardest, longest, evolutionarily evidentiary boners for girls in the 15-19 year old range, arbitrary legal demarcations be damned.
Barely legal babes. Sweet sixteens. Captivating coeds. Gloriously gynoid girly girls.
It’s enough to make an aging beauty on the accelerating morph from gynoid to android turn to cats and cookie dough straight from the tube.
To sum up the latest science behind the male lust for sexxxy sirens:
As CH has asserted in the past, and as science has now proven, men are most attracted to women aged 15-25, and the raw physical attraction is strongest for girls between 15 and 20. Men are not most attracted to maximally fertile women (which would correspond to the mid to late 20s for most women); rather, men are most attracted to women with the GREATEST POTENTIAL for reproductive success over a lifetime, aka RV (residual value).
The evolved preference of men is for women at the beginnings of their reproductive lives, so that men may subconsciously exploit for their own genetic gain the full health and reproductive potential of those luminescent late adolescent lasses. A man who impregnates a 19 year old woman glowing gynoidally with untapped tapping promise and has five kids with her over a twenty year reproductive career evolutionarily beats out the man who impregnates a maximally fertile 28 year old woman and has three kids with her over her remaining ten year reproductive career.
Ah, I do love the scorching fires of a powerfully ugly, yet beautiful, truth in the morning.
first?
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By a poosy pube.
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yea i still was first
hopefully make it last too
he he he
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“A man who impregnates a 19 year old woman glowing gynoidally with untapped tapping promise and has five kids with her over a twenty year reproductive career evolutionarily beats out the man who impregnates a maximally fertile 28 year old woman and has three kids with her over her remaining ten year reproductive career.”
Amen , brother! Peach the good gospel of bangin’ barely legal babes with absolute impunity!
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“Peach”… Mmmm… Got ‘dem girl peaches on mah durty mind.
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Clusterfuck or not at least now we can put a face to Whorefinder.
rape
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You mad, bra? 😛
The women in my basement thoroughly enjoy their time there.
RAPE!
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Thought that one might draw you out.
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1. Remember that early humans died at age 30. So that 14-15 year old girl wasn’t young.
[CH: That stat is misleading. The average mortality may have been age 30, but that # is skewed by childhood deaths. Modern hunter gatherer tribes have a fair number of people living into old age, 70 and beyond.]
2. Also, the men that prefered 14-15 year olds were more likely to bang a virgin and less likely to contract venereal diseases; thus the genes of those men proliferated.
[Good point.]
3. A fertile 18 year old female is less likely to be a virgin. Who knows how many men’s sperm are floating up her uterus while you are bargaining with her father for her? The men that preferred 14-15 year olds were less likely to be raising other men’s children; thus their genes proliferated.
[Not sure about this. OVer time, men would be heavily selected for a shared preference for 14 year olds.]
p.s.
Didn’t the Cleveland kidnapper/sex dungeon guy prefer ’em young? It would be interesting to know how many love letters he’s gotten already.
Anyone care to take a guess?
Does his defeated, slouched body language kill any ‘gina tingles he would’ve otherwise generated if he had smirked defiantly at the camera? Or does the sheer infamy of his crime and primal kidnap & impregnate badness rule the day?
[That story is a clusterfuck. I find it hard to believe three women can’t escape a suburban house in ten years. I’ll wait to pronounce until more info about what went on behind closed doors is revealed.]
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Re Point 1: Early human life expectancy was about thirty. That didn’t mean thirty was old; it means that a good third of deaths occurred in the first few years. If you made it to your mid-teens, you had a pretty good chance of hitting sixty or better.
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Infant mortality was much higher and perhaps this is the norm in Nature where the weak are weeded out early.
Ageing is about the same as it always was and a man at 30 today is no more virile or healthy than a man in ancient Rome (they were actually pretty fit and healthy then). 53 yo J Caesar married 21 yo Cleopatra the blonde Queen of Egypt.
Wasn’t Jesus’ mother like 14?
Juliet was not yet 14 when she married Romeo. Shakespeare does not state his age but he was likely about 30.
Under common law in England a female could marry at 12 so apparently the people at the time did not view her as a child.
A lot of the data we have is from late the Victorian period where females were having their periods a couple of years later but this may have just been a freak anomaly and not the norm in human history.
And whether you believe the ages of various people given in Genesis or not, in the very next paragraph it says that man shall live to 120 years max. so people weren’t thinking in terms of living 30-40 years.
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yeah CH the dude was out playing bass in a band half the time? were they chained up every time he left?
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Some of the reporting is indicating that the women were kept in chains for several years. Once they were given the run of the house, the kidnapper would play little games with them, leaving doors open and then lying in wait to recapture them (and beat them) when they attempted escape. So it sounds as if it was more institutionalization + genuine fear of beating than it was Stockholm Syndrome.
Now, that’s all based on the reporting. We may wind up discovering that the reporting was distorted to keep questions about how 3 women couldn’t eventually overpower a lone man in order to escape.
[CH: Whenever I hear of these kinds of stories, I immediately think Stockholm Syndrome, because often that’s the case. However, it could be in this particular crime the guy was just very good at terrorizing the women and the women were very bad at identifying and taking opportunities for escape. But 1 dude, 3 women… for ten years? In a populated suburb?? Something isn’t adding up here.]
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“Something isn’t adding up here”
Bingo! I find it hard to believe that they never found at least one opportunity for escape, or that they didn’t band together against him. Something is off.
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Agreed; something’s hinky here. Remember how, for such a long time, we never heard any real details about Elizabeth Smart’s captivity…until finally it came out that she had multiple opportunities to escape and never did? I suspect something like that may unfold over the coming weeks.
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Exactly. I told several concerned females in my family that Lizzie Smart probably ran away with the guy willingly and enjoyed part of her time there.
They wouldn’t listen. All “poor perfect woman/evil man” ranting.
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Overly sexual/raunchy behavior is only “creepy” or “nasty” whenever the girl isn’t into the guy doing the behavior. When a girl is really into you, you can practically get away with doing or saying anything.
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Fifty Shades of Castro?
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Let’s not forget this guy was a school bus driver, not a mensa member or a leader-of-men type. A mensa member would have been smart enough to have studied up on ways to imprison women for life; a leader-of-men would have innately known how to use fear to instill dread of even attempting escape.
I think the missing piece here will be that these girls all had very low IQ, a fact which isn’t being passed around. I think we’re looking at 3 sped chicks that were more docile and easy to control.
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I think your assessment is right on target. There are reports the girls are somewhat mentally challenged or have a handicap of some sorts.
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“2. Also, the men that prefered 14-15 year olds were more likely to bang a virgin and less likely to contract venereal diseases; thus the genes of those men proliferated.
[Good point.]” – And they had a chance to pair-bond and thus monopolize her upcoming most fertile years.
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the chick I been fucking with has 6 kids though and 29 shows just how old a bitch that is 29 really is
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My man, why you fucking with a 29 year old with 6 kids? Exceptional genetics? I’m with a girl younger than that who has the body of a 17 year old, thin, fit, in shape…no kids. And smart too. And child-like and feminine enough to generate that protective instinct. But I can’t help but feel that the girl who I know has been carrying a torch for me might be a good attempt at stepping out. Not saying I will, just that it became clear recently how much this other girl wanted me. Damn (and not 29 either, or with any kids.)
I love you gunslinger, so I’m not bashing you, just trying to figure out the logic. But then I was with a late-30s woman with 3 kids who was pretty and nice and had enormous cans.
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I love fucking her I don’t feel like I owe her shit its been a fun diversion
she got game
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kids live with other people though so yea its just her for most part
and I am captain save a ho lol
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6 kids from different fathers?
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they all white anyway
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Makes perfect sense to me…
I have wanted to fill each and every babysitter we’ve had…
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What Men Want: to fill babysitters with baby batter.
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“Time for your payment, Jenny. Open up your account and I’ll give you a direct deposit right now.”
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“a direct deposit of the creamy nature”-Cpt Obvi
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Someone’s ovulating.
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This shiv hurts the most!
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when I do the 18 year old virgin thing I plan on marrying her
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Put a Ring Pop on your hand, and yell out:
“Suck me, beautiful!”
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we were born this way. is it not time for local laws to match up to our biology? it’s the 21st century after all.
love is not a crime people
hottest chick i’ll ever see was 14 when i was 22, stripped nude in front of me and called me a tease when i invoked the law as a reason not to partake. society f’ed me.
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“I can keep a secret if you can keep a secret. Now get your fine ass over here so I can demolish it.”
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i highly doubt the next guy was anywhere near as pussy as i was. but the level of regret a body like that inspires is nearly intolerable.
along with ‘nulliparous’, i liked this part too: “characterized by relatively reduced nipple pigmentation” you could just gaze all day long…
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Hottest girl I ever banged was 17. I was 21 and it was NOT illegal in my state. I literally looked it up first.
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I saw a shirt at Spencers a few years ago that said “the great American teen roadtrip” on it with the legal ages of all the stages. I don’t think it sold for long but I got one for my brother as a gift.
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meant “states”. Sorry, had young ladies on the brain and went retarded temporarily…
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“we were born this way.”
Right, that’s how men are made. Why are only gays allowed to say we’re born this way? The irony is gays were not born this way. Homosexuality is a choice, not predetermined biologically in 2-5% of the population. Most homosexuals were taught homosexuality by an older mentor. They weren’t born this way. Yet, straight men who are born to be attracted to very young girls can’t exercise their true biological predetermination because it doesn’t fit with the liberals’ agenda of restructuring male behavior.
“hottest chick i’ll ever see was 14 when i was 22, stripped nude in front of me and called me a tease when i invoked the law as a reason not to partake. society f’ed me.”
These laws are on the books to supposedly protect girls. Parents leave it to the state to pass laws that protect their girls from “child molesters” like you, yet they don’t teach their girls morality, which would have protected them from a whole slew of things, not just from “bad” men like you. If they taught their girls morals, there wouldn’t be a concern about older men fucking younger girls, since 14-year-old girls wouldn’t be stripping in front of you and asking you to fuck them, period. Once again, liberalism attempts to replace old-fashioned values, but it can’t do a better job. It either makes things worse, or it only puts a bandit on the problem.
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It’s blindingly obvious to me.
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If you want to see what men are really attracted to, check out what porn is popular. The 15-20 thing is of course correct, but a lot of men don’t like to admit it in public; we certainly like whacking off to girls who are (or look like) that age range in private though…
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One word: Lolita.
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Two words –
McKayla Maroney.
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Two words –
McKayla Maroney
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I prefer Kyla Ross, even though (and because) she’s less of a natural vamp than Maroney.
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Two words: Claire Abbott.
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amy fisher – bangs older married guy and shoots his wife. that’s twue wuv.
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maximally fertile 28 year old woman and has three kids with her over her remaining ten year reproductive career””””””””’
yea it seems that by 28 the chicks already had the families and the heart broken multiple times and what not
by 24 it already happened
the daughter of my chick buddy just turned 18 and already got the live in boyfriend at her house
not gonna be easy to find the 18 year old virgin in us for sure
think the 14 year old of my chick already fuckin too
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There are literally no women over age 19 in the United States (who weigh less than 150 pounds) who are virgins.
[CH: According to GSS surveys, this isn’t true. (Usual caveat about self-reporting bias.) They may be few on the ground in blue city zones, but apparently red state religious girls are busting the cherry busted curve.]
And if you are the one who takes her virginity at 18, she is not going to marry you either.
[Generally, the man who takes a girl’s virginity will be remembered most fondly by her.]
She’s just getting warmed up for 16 years of riding the cock carousel. That’s reality in this country today. Period. But you can meet her on match.com when she’s 34 and ready to “settle down.” Alpha fux and beta bux. Dat’s how we rollz.zlzolzozlz
[Trends point this way. But the distant future, if fertility is any indication, belongs to the God-fearing.]
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you can marry her take it on the wedding night what I plan on doing
try it once
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just got to think outside the box
he he he
got to say though the virgins I had when young I didn’t want to marry but I was different then
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Strange how most of you write marriage off, yet it pops up every other comment. Realized the world doesn’t owe you a perfect 10, 18 year old obedient virgin? boo hoo get some cats and cry your bitter self to sleep.
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Do you use Purina Cat Chow or the generics?
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i’m not boo hooing I solved the dilemma of bullshit marriage in states already
overcame all obstacles got married under my terms and will overcome any other obstacles as well
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CH,
You’re right (quoting the GSS). Women who are virgins till marriage aren’t *common*, but they do exist (yes, including in places like Boston and DC). about 5% of women don’t have sex before marriage, and probably a comparable number only have sex once they’re engaged. I know a fair amount of evangelicals and traditionalist Catholic women, so in my circle the female virginity estimate is probably above 5%.
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asd
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Either beta or a late-bloomer. The girls whose v-cards I grabbed were 15, 17, 18 before college and 19,20 when in college. However, *every* girl I plucked had “experience” – either handjobs, blowjobs or “I don’t wanna talk about it” (I think that one got molested or something).
There are plenty of bangable 19+ virgins out there in a numerical sense, but it’s not worth searching for them.
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Ballet. It does a woman’s body good. Real good. lzozlozlzozlzzz
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Flexi-fuck, all day!
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yea not bad man just put a caveat on the marriage that you can get other chicks if you so desire
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gross
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my buddy married a ballerina and can’t stop bragging about it. bastard.
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Check out how they make their legs look longer. Ouch.
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Men of this world: Listen, learn, and apply!
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Fucking classic. The lyrics are epic.
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maybe this isn’t an issue for everyone here, but it does bring up yet another (as if there needed to be more) problem with dating ‘age appropriate’ women, as i am constantly admonished to do– their daughters are boiling hot.
had dinner with a girl i hooked up with a while back, who enjoyed pointing out she had ‘A’ stretchmark from her daughter. as in singular, she gave birth young. so her midriff didn’t look like 100 yards of road apple.
anyway her daughter comes to dinner and she is now [redacted]teen years old and her body about burned through my retinas and vaporized my synovial fluid. i can’t sit around looking at that.
so i have to endure female friends’ scorn for dating ‘too young’, because girls my age generally come with something even younger and hotter hanging around.
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I feel you. I live in a college town, and you do see some 23 year olds and such that have retained those bodies (the subject of one of my ‘issues’ on this board with a slut I was too enraptured by) but you’ll see these 18-19 year olds, legal but usually dumb. I admit, my game is more tailored to smarter girls but I have observed that I’m getting away with more shit Don Draper style and I bet I can bend all the rules in the next couple years (I’m in my thirties but look young but have the confidence appropriate to my age and I get away with talking HBD, game, gender/race realism)
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Are you attractive though?
She is probably thinking the same thing about your hot son…
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you’re right, my genes are pretty rad. but no kids yet.
as for me, i can be great looking if i quit eating long enough. i’m tall and broad shouldered so i can carry extra, but that’s no excuse. if i had trouble with women i’d get in better shape and fix the problem.
anyway, no i haven’t saddled myself with baggage and half a family before wading back into the dating pool. kids are innocent and i’ll have them when i can guarantee i can keep them with me long enough to train them for real life. that may not happen in this country.
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This is News of the “Duh” right here. I have some friends that channel all of their PUA energy into used up cumsluts at the bar, I don’t really understand it. I always save my best game for the young ones. Not that I ever have bad game. Guess I’m a quality over quantity guy.
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Surprise surprise.
Sweet sixteen songs were quite popular decades ago for a reason. They are annoying as fuck though. Both the songs and the girls lol.
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How in the hell is this news to any woman? Im *amazed*that this can be considered controversial. I mean, we are chicks. We live chick life. I don’t need any study to be telling me when men get interested in a girl because I lived my life and I’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to have noticed what happened in front of me.
I’ve been getting hit on routinely since I was 12. At first it was all afro-latin guys and the Puerto Rican looking dudes, who have no shame whatsoever about hitting on a 12 yr old. Then the mestizos and blacks jumped on board by age 14. White guys slowly slowly filtered in starting at age 16. Indian guys also came in about age 16. To this day, I don’t think I have ever once been hit on by an East Asian guy.
But still, like no shit, adult guys like 15 yr olds. How does any woman who has been 15 not know this? I don’t know. Maybe this is just a facet of me not being white as probably 90% of the guys who hit on me are also not white. About half are black or part black and a significant portion of the rest are arab, Hispanic or South Asian immigrants. Black dudes and immigrant guys could give a shit about worrying about if a chick is underage.
True Story: A white dude once walked by me and asked me shyly, “how old are you?” I said “why?” He said, “I wanted to talk to you before, but I was afraid you were underage.”
^^ that is not game.
Also true story: When I was a little kid, the local grocer used to give us a free cookie if we went up to the counter and asked. When I was 11, I went up to the counter and asked and the lady was like “you are not a little kid anymore. You can’t get a free cookie for much longer.” I was like “being 11 sucks.” It bummed me out, and I was afraid to ask for cookies for like a whole year. But one day when I was 12, I was so hungry, I went up to the counter and asked the guy at the counter for a cookie. I felt like he was going to make me pay for it or tell me I couldn’t have one. But that Puerto Rican guy looked at me and winked and gave me like 15 cookies- every last one he had. He was like “here sweetie ‘coz you are looking good.” And I was like “man, being 12 is sweet!”
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True Story: A white dude once walked by me and asked me shyly, “how old are you?” I said “why?” He said, “I wanted to talk to you before, but I was afraid you were underage.”
^^ that is not game.
Indeed. Nobody gets thrown in jail for just talking to a teenage girl. But white guys are taught that it’s gross to want any girl who’s under 18.
But that Puerto Rican guy looked at me and winked and gave me like 15 cookies- every last one he had. He was like “here sweetie ‘coz you are looking good.” And I was like “man, being 12 is sweet!”
You sound like Eric Cartman.
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“But white guys are taught that it’s gross to want any girl who’s under 18.”
After fucking a few 17 year old mommas with stretch marks, brown guys learn it’s gross to want any girl over 16 .
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“You sound like Eric Cartman.”
hmmm. I suppose I could be described as small, round and evil.
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Nah ah, I do what I want!
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And you have a fat ass.
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I’m a lot like this chick:
http://birblogsonra.tumblr.com/post/25012991673/eric-cartman-ass
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>white guys are taught that it’s gross to want any girl who’s under 18.
Not just that it’s gross. That you are UTTER SCUM who is literally WORSE THAN HITLER and should have your dick cut off. Seriously, the tolerance brigade that will tell a tranny that it’s perfectly normal to get surgery and hormones to disguise yourself as a woman and that any man who is disgusted by the thought of dating you is a bigot and “transphobic”, just look at the tolerance they show to a man who admits he’s attracted to a 17 year old, why that guy is a “PEDOPHILE” and a “RAPIST” and the worst kind of monster!
Nobody is against that kind of discrimination let me tell you.
Fuck this country I need to leave.
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True. Even my the 22 year-old that I dated for about 10 months until recently said she thinks I’m a pedophile for dating her (admittedly, she could pass for pubescent, and one guy I know thought she was 5 the first time he saw her [he later revised upward]).
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Yet she dated you for ten months? All’s good while the hamster’s spinning, I guess.
and one guy I know thought she was 5 the first time he saw her [he later revised upward]).
Uh, don’t you mean 15?
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>To this day, I don’t think I have ever once been hit on by an East Asian guy.
How do you feel about half-Chinese, half-Indian babies?
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Good especially if they are chicks since half asian girls are the hottest.
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***True Story: A white dude once walked by me and asked me shyly, “how old are you?” I said “why?” He said, “I wanted to talk to you before, but I was afraid you were underage.”
^^ that is not game***
lozlozlzl exactly and TOTALLY not our fault. just like with everything else, we good beta white boys follow the rules and that’s the law and I have actually thought about saying that very thing to dozens of cashiers/hostesses etc who might be about 18, except I KNOW it will not lead to bang no matter what…so I generally just don’t flirt at all if they look like they could be in high school.
but your white dude story…I have “fantasized” about that exact convo… thinking that if she’s older then it could at least be a compliment like she looks young.
except we all kjnow that girls don’tw ant compliemnets.zzzz
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“And I was like “man, being 12 is sweet!” hahaha that’s a great build-up and pay-off to your story.
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Thanks. I’m so glad I now have a warm and friendly place to share my fun stories of getting hit on by NAMs. I’m 18 years past 12, and there are 365 days in a year, so I’ve stored up quite a lot of these.
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i forgot to sign my nom de plume to that last comment. just for clarity, while i did enjoy the story, i still think you’re a bit “touched”
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What does touched mean?
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Just curious,Fem,but all those Afro-Latins and P.R.s your parents so wisely exposed you to growing up,did you wind up doing any of them?? As far as we know your sex life beagn at college when your boyfriendboyfriendboyfriend(sorry) threw you up agin the wall and took his pleasure!! Whats the backstory?
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lost my v to my first boyfriend in college. He was a good looking East Asian guy who I knew through a friend.
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yea they just don’t give a fuck the nigs will also give that 14 year old crack too
hard for the rule followers to compete with the rule breakers sometimes
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I definitely agree with you on the point that non-white guys….oh who I’m I kidding, BLACK AND LATINO guys are more keen on or less shy approaching an underage girl than White guys. Baby face and petite frame provides the illusion that I’m in my late teens though I am in my mid twenties. Couple that with the fact that I have always had a thing for much older men mid 30s and above has made dating, well…….okay, I have humble bragged enough this week lululzzz
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the real dark triad helps for sure
and not having to give a fuck about a future
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“okay, I have humble bragged enough this week lululzzz”
Babes, where was the humble part in that one again?
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“I definitely agree with you on the point that non-white guys….oh who I’m I kidding, BLACK AND LATINO guys are more keen on or less shy approaching an underage girl than White guys.”
Well, that’s no brainer as to why. They are less civilized, or less likely to follow the law. Their culture is still lagging behind white culture’s “civilizing” trends. While our culture is becoming more civilized, we are also becoming more feminized. And while I like the civilizing aspects of our culture, there has to be a balance. Too much of anything is not good; it excludes other things we need as well. Our culture can’t survive if it’s going all the way to the left. It will be replaced by Black and Latino cultures and that will be a disaster for humanity. I love advanced technology and medicine, and I love a civilized and orderly society, but destroying morality, as well as turning men beta, are going to create major problems.
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But that Puerto Rican guy looked at me and winked and gave me like 15 cookies
he was trying to plump you up, that’s how latinos like ’em.
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(Sir,sarcasm light lit!) As a woman ages and becomes more mature.her life experiences,her growth as a person,her soaring self esteem and confidence,her strength and wisdom–these all grow as she ages. That young girl with the sweet face and firm breasts is also insecure,unsure of herself,and she does not need some horny insecure male trying to take advantage of her. Try taking on a REAL WOMAN,one who has EARNED the lines on her face,through living,laughing and loving life! THAT is true beauty–something you fellazz know little about! (Sir,sarcasm light now OFF-SIR! )
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Maximally fertile chicks are like cars with 40k on the odometer, yeh they are well run in but you’d still prefer one that is brand spanking new.
Preferably one with no cum stains on the back seat.
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When I was 15-16, some of the hottest girls I knew were fucking 21-24 year-old men. (Yes, it was illegal.)
By the time we were 18-19, the girls who were fucking substantially older men seemed less prevalent. Although when they did, the age spread got even wider — men in their late 20s and early 30s (i.e., men with a real job with real money).
The girls that spread their legs for older men were typically obsessed with being perceived as more emotionally mature than their peers — dressing less like teens, always focused on “travel,” listening to obscure music, reading foreign books and generally emulating European culture. They all wanted to be seen as some financially-independent man’s mistress.
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I never fucked an 18 year old until I was 26. Hitting my late 20’s was awesome. By then I had muscles, could grow stubble, had money, had travelled, had gained erudition. In otherwords I could be a charismatic raconteur with a devilish glint in my eyes and some worldly mysteriousness.
Of course I looked like i was 14 when I was 18 so that didn’t help..
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Hah. I only really started getting the attention of hot teen girls when I hit my late 20s. Wtf…
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I’m hoping I haven’t lost my chances with the young chickies- I’m 32 now. That said, I’m in pretty good shape, people usually guess I’m in my mid-20s, I’ve been making a serious effort to gain muscle weight and confidence, and I’m going to be making good money now for the first time in awhile. I’ll also be spending the rest of my career surrounded by younger women (as an academic), so I can play the law of large numbers.
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If you leave the “hottest girl” part out, that would pretty well encapsulate my teen years. The youngest guy I dated was three years older than I was. The oldest was 10 years older than I was.
And yeah, I was a total poseur about obscure music and literature and fashion.
The funny part is that it wasn’t because I was disinterested in boys my age; they were disinterested in me. I never got asked out by anybody my age during my entire high school career.
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My story is similar too, my first bf was 24….I was 16. From then on, I have always preferred much older men, although I did date someone close to my age in my early twenties but he was still 2-3 years older than me.
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The two of you have confirmed that my memory of my late teen years is accurate.
It is, of course, a bit difficult to relate to a 17 year-old girl as a peer, but there are a few who hang around museums and read French literature for fun. They’re the ones looking for a man who doesn’t play video games.
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This subject, perhaps more than any other, follows the Chateau’s views on people’s reaction to the truth: the closer to home it hits, the louder they squeal. There’s a base, straight-from-the-id discomfort that older man-younger women combos evoke from older women that is very unique.
I kind of wonder if the laws will ever slacken up on age of consent. The shaming of this particular common male desire has been extraordinarily effective… but this is one strong current they’re holding back. Who knows?
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Age of consent laws serve the same purpose as one-wife & anti-polygamy laws: They serve to keep the 2% of men from snatching up all the pussy and disenfranchising the other 98% of men. If 98% of your male population was disenfranchised from the hope of any pussy, they wouldn’t be productive and would likely be destructive. See various mass shooters and the polygamous Mormons and their ex-communicated “lost boys”.
If there was no age of consent, there would be plenty of 40 year old guys going after their friends’ 12 year old daughters and there would be a rise in related homicides.
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why do you conclude that 2% of guys would get all the young pussy?
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In the United States of One Size Fits All, age-of-consent laws have been enacted as an obstacle to white fertility. Just one little piece of the sinister mosaic. Girls in the 15-19 age range have been married off since approximately forever, so never mind about that 2% nonsense.
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“young women in the 13-17 age range”
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Actually they prevent men and women from preying on children.
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Yes, of course. “Child” = EVERYONE under the age of 18. If that isn’t hard, objective science then something something wow just wow.
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Random Chicklet,
I agree, but I don’t like the tendency among some cultural liberals and feminists to stigmatize people who like partners in the 18-24 range. barely legal is legal.
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Who prevents you from preying on children? And how can we arrange to give them better guns?
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Lily, i can write too much stuff to show you my views on homosexuality, but to make things easier, just watch my video about my opinion in favor of homosexuality
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Begone, trollina…
Out, damned spot! Out, I say!
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“Age of consent laws serve the same purpose as one-wife & anti-polygamy laws: They serve to keep the 2% of men from snatching up all the pussy and disenfranchising the other 98% of men.”
It’s basically a fantasy to believe that if age of consent laws vanished, seasoned alphas would be gaming 15 yr old hotties right out of their parent’s arms.
Look at the ages of consent in Europe:
It’s mostly 13-15. And you know what? European dating isn’t that much different that dating here in terms of ages of couples. 30 yr old guys aren’t dating 15 yr old girls there either very often even though its perfectly legal.
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I’d say it’s a way to even the playing field for ole feminist, who has to go do gender studies and all that until she’s 22 or older, already nearing the downward slope. Meanwhile all the prime dick would get, uh, snatched by the top 16-18 year olds.
Society can’t tolerate such an arrangement, I’m sure you see. We’re all in this together, don’t be selfish.
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“As CH has asserted in the past, and as science has now proven, men are most attracted to women aged 15-25, and the raw physical attraction is strongest for girls between 15 and 20. Men are not most attracted to maximally fertile women (which would correspond to the mid to late 20s for most women); rather, men are most attracted to women with the GREATEST POTENTIAL for reproductive success over a lifetime, aka RV (residual value).”
All this is true, but how does it affect any of you guys? is it realistic for any of you to be banging a 14 to 15-year old girl? Or is it more realistic to be banging the 28-year old?
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Well of course I’m affected, but I’m not stupid enough to make a move on jailbait. It’s hard to tell sometimes though.
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So I guess you just like discussing what you can’t have, eh?
Personally, I hate not getting what I want; it could be pretty frustrating. There are always ways around things though. Every problem has to have a solution. Anyway, that’s why a woman should have a man – to redirect her frustrations.
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I prob could but I don’t
had the reverse happen though
chicks mom invited me over with her and her dude last night and wanted to go out and fuck I declined he he he
morals suck
it could be realistic but I think I would rather stick with the older chicks when I am not looking for anything long term
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Your chicks mom and her “dude” BOTH wanted to fuck you?? Have you ever heard of Charles Murray? You should send him a note–he may want to talk to you,heh heh heh.
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well she did want me to take just her he he he
what does that have to do with murray though
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The 28-year old is realistic. The 14 to 15-year old is idealistic. Needless to say, when confronted with one or the other, I’m taking the teeny-tiny-teeny-bopper twat and shunning the stretched-out, cavernous cunt.
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“The 28-year old is realistic. The 14 to 15-year old is idealistic.”
Well put. I just meant that there is no sense in lamenting something you can’t have. But now after reading more comments I’ve changed my mind. I think it’s good to discuss how society has made certain natural things illegal in the interest of controlling behavior for selfish reasons.
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I realistically banged a 21 yo recently.
Getting close.
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It would be realistic if not for the success of feminists and betas in not only passing age of consent laws, but building up a huge shaming culture to the point where a man who fucks a 15 year old is considered on the same level as an actual child rapist that rapes actual (ie prepubescent) children
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CHILD = any woman younger than the shrill and bitter American woman shame-charming the man whose resources she covets.
I’ve learned that a 29-year-old woman is a child, which was very helpful.
I’ve also learned that a woman ten years younger than the man in question was “young enough to be his daugheterwowjustwow”.
Used to be I didn’t know even half of this stuff. Thanks.
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C.H, –
Thanks for the sweet serendipitous post. I now have an excellent link with which to pulverize a feminist shamer. Just yesterday I had a middle aged shrew call me a lecherous sexist pig in another online forum when I expressed bemusement at the dual nature of the ubiquitious “yoga” pants phenomenon vis a vis teenage girls.
The forum had an editorial article that was a vertible blueprint of hamster rationalization. It was about some high school in Canada that wants to ban yoga pants because they are causing a “distraction”. Apparently perfectly outlined pudenda and round jiggly ass cheeks that look like they are eating the wearer’s pants do not make for a conducive learning environment. Shocker!
So what is the author’s conclusion? Why this is “slut shaming” of course. Visible labia folds tucked up into a nice tight mooseknuckle are simply a function of female comfort don’t ya know. Any distraction is a result of culturally ingrained male lasciviousness.
When I expressed my appreciation at the fringe benefit of ostensible “yoga” pants wearers of the teen variety I got called a pervert. (If they are just for yoga why are you wearing them downtown while shopping?? – Rhetorical Question).
I still say historians 500 years from now will call this “The Golden Age of Yoga Pants”. There should be a statue to Chip Roberts in every town square.
Anyways, thanks for the ammo!!
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Yoga pants are synonymous with camel toes.
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The problem: Engage the average 16-year-old girl in small talk. It’ll make your head explode in under ten minutes.
The (valid) point that H makes above is mostly applicable to early man. Two thousand years ago, a sixteen-year-old looked like a twenty-nine-year-old today. Hard life ages you fast. Just look at the famous Nat Geo Afghani girl.
Our teen girls are mental and emotional babies by comparison.
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not really man they still having kids at 16 and shit
maybe in the subdivisions but even there they prob fucking too just they can afford abortions
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Doesn’t require a lot of maturity to get pregnant, broseph.
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Engage the average 16-year-old girl in small talk. It’ll make your head explode in under ten minutes.
only if you try to take them seriously. but why would you take any woman seriously?
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False. Engage any woman in any small talk and your head will explode. Since when do you let women frame the conversation towards the trivial? This is a reflection of your own vapidity more than theirs, the emptiness which is such a given that it is already factored into the art form.
You don’t talk to sixteen-year-olds about the latest episode of “Pretty Little Liars.” You talk to them about the ideas they are aching to express but lack the instrument and the experience to do it: life, the future, love, how to get out of their teenage years alive, the superficiality of their smartphone world compared to the authentic one she knows in her heart.
Yes, their social and mental development has been purposely arrested while their bodies grow, but this is an ideological artifice easily outmaneuvered. Treat a young woman like the grown up she should be, and she will adjust quickly. It’s more natural than the growth-stunting mechanisms she is literally aching to be liberated from.
You are part of the problem because you unwittingly contribute to the growth-stunting project. When they don’t know what’s going on with the world, for instance, that strikes you as bubble-headed rather than very healthy and very feminine (at every age). Your politics are literally retarding. The left’s project cannot allow women to be natural. You have other designs for their lives.
Matt
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As a guy who routinely dates women less than half my age, I can confirm that what Matt is saying is so true.
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‘Less than half your age’ is cool if you’re at least 36.
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Bang, nuked from orbit.
But don’t expect the lefty retard to see the light. Best he can do is to come up with a lame answer with “bloviating” in it.
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When you make an actual argument — instead of cheering lustily from the sidelines for others — I’ll pay attention to you.
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This is so true. I have no trouble making conversation with 18-year old girls (though I strictly stay away from that I know to be under 18, except for family friends, so I wouldn’t really know about them). I keep up with pop music so I can talk to them about music and stuff, but in my experience college-age girls love talking about life, ideas, the world, your own life experiences, politics and stuff. And most of all, of course, they like talking about themselves. They have a lot of drama in their lives, and I like talking to people who have drama going on; it’s better than watching a soap opera.
Re: The left’s project cannot allow women to be natural. You have other designs for their lives
Matthew, not everyone on ‘the Left’ is a feminist. (Che Guevara, probably the iconic figure of the far left, *certainly* wasn’t). I’m pretty socialist/semi-Marxist on economics, but I have very little time for feminism or other cultural-liberal trends.
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Thank you, Hector.
Matt King enjoys scolding anybody within fingershot exactly why they’re not being manly enough. It’s tiresome and says a lot more about him than us.
Look, if a man is going to jump in the foxhole of marriage, it’d better damn well be with someone who has a thought in her head, or else it’s like agreeing to move into a daycare. Rich guys who get the Barbie doll wives routinely moan “my wife is like a child”.
Who wants THAT?
My point: Most eighteen-year-old girls are a long way from being able to inspire thoughts of marriage in yours truly.
Nothing to do with leftist, Marxism, or feminism. But continue swinging, if you must.
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My point: Your conclusion has everything to do with you and almost nothing to do with them.
You have no conception about the complementary dynamic then. When a woman is married, her personality freezes in place? Not at all, especially when she is young. Women are malleable to strength. You build them up into something that does not require “daycare.” They do not come to you fully formed, nor do they remain so throughout a lifetime of marital interaction.
But you must be so incapable of this that you cannot even fathom it. Which is where your dumb politics come in. Your politics requires women to be fully formed into making “her own” decisions about her life. Your politics fantasizes that a woman should not be influenced in this regard by her (young) husband, and indeed, at the margins, not even by her parents themselves. “It takes a village,” schooling past the age of 22, healthcare until 28, free birth control for life.
In truth, she doesn’t need a thought in her head to be married, just as she doesn’t need to come with a dozen dicks in her puss. That’s your job, to fill her up. To take her intellectual cherry. Man?
This is why men find yappy “smart” girls unattractive. It means more work for us to clear their heads of the you-go-grrrl leftist marshmallow filler that our “educational” system calls “intelligent” and injects into them. But you refuse to make the connection to your politics. The more you try to square this circle, the more you expose your obvious and vaguely pathetic bluff.
Matt
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Matt said: “This is why men find yappy “smart” girls unattractive. It means more work for us to clear their heads of the you-go-grrrl leftist marshmallow filler that our “educational” system calls “intelligent” and injects into them.”
Had to hold my nose to read that one. Any girl who has an opinion is a product of leftism? Jesus, you’re Catholic — haven’t you visited an all-girls Catholic school, or even spoken to a graduate of one? Take off the blinders.
I think I see. You presume that women have absolutely NOTHING to bring to the table, ever, that they are utterly empty vessels. And that it is a husband’s job to fill them. Well, I have a mother, a sister, and a wife — all remarkable in different fields as varied as mental health counseling, graphic design, and sales — who are exhibits A, B, and C that your conception of the fairer sex is simply wrong. They possessed their unique talents prior to marriage. Gifts from God.
And before you go all shouting NAWALT at me, I’d like the record to show that restricting the ability to point out exceptions is itself is a fallacy.
I’d also appreciate not being lumped in with leftoids, since I’m a bit more complex than that. A.M.D.G.
But by all means, keep swinging. This alpha does love to fight.
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The dreaded TALTF Hammer comes back! The most infamous sign-off since Carthago delenda est.
I’m not accusing you of “NAWALT,” but I will say you extrapolate my observations into conclusions I did not make.
Now why would you go and characterize what I said like that? You have to radicalize your opposition — “any girl … [ever] even … absolutely NOTHING … ever … utterly” — in order to find the space to make the smallest counterargument. (Which is a NAWALTian tendency in itself.)
Women bring a very great deal “to the table,” which is why many relationships work. But the reason many other relationships do not work is because your politics has seeped into the culture, which insists women are “all remarkable,” and that we gauge their remarkableness “in different fields as varied as mental health counseling, graphic design, and sales.”
This is a tangent. While women have the capacity to achieve many intellectual feats and civilizational accomplishments that men can, it is not their bailiwick. So when little miss 16-year-old bubblehead comes along, it is pointless to disparage her as dumb because 1) in working relationships, the man is smarter/more worldly and 2) she has plenty of space to grow under his steady guidance.
Matt
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My guess is age of consent will go down to 14. Because Alpha men want it, and what Alphas want women are happy to oblige. Most women of a certain age with ultra hot daughters would be willing to share with their daughter an Alpha versus no Alpha at all. And women will rationalize any and all behaviors by Alpha men — see John Edwards. Or Djokar Tsarnaev.
As for Alphas getting all the hot young chicks in harems, self explanatory. Alpha
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“My guess is age of consent will go down to 14.”
Proverbs of the Wise:
“Old enough to count, old enough to mount.”
“If there’s grass on the wicket, its time to play cricket.”
“Any hole’s a goal… Except a manhole.”
“If they’re old enough to pee, they’re old enough for me.”
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Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.
If they’re crawling, they’re already in the right position.
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No way. It’s been trending UP. You way underestimate the power of the “THINK OF THE CHILDREN” shrews. Canada recently went from 14 to 16. America was 12 back in like 1920whatever.
Alphas will just break the law and get away with it.
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It will go down to 14 or so but because the gays want it not the alpha heteros. The gays are the only ones with the political muscle to get it done.
That will be their next frontier after gay marriage. The drumbeat is already starting. Listen carefully and you can heat it.
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perhaps that’ll come after gay marriage becomes acceptable in our society. We can use the same justification as the gays use–“you can’t stop who you love from being together!!!”, etc.
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No, their next frontier is tranny rights unfortunately. The right of mentally ill dudes who mutilate their genitals to be legally and socially perceived as “women”.
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Think Whoopi Goldberg defending Roman Polanski. Or Rob Lowe. Anything is OK for Alphas. To prevent Alphas from violating too much the law and rubbing betas noses in it, the law will be changed. Heck Polanski is old and icky and even Goldberg thinks he’s awesome and should be no longer pursued.
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@ anon
I think you’re right, but maybe it will alert parents – making them more vigilant and protective of their kids. Any parent who doesn’t want their son being preyed on by gays should be watchful and aware of whom they befriend. Parents should be battling their girls’ carousel riding and their boys getting butt fucked. It’s lots of work, but it’s parents’ responsibility to do the best for their children, or not have them at all – again, why single moms shouldn’t have kids. It’s too much work for a single mother to watch her kids this attentively, and tend to her pussy needs at the same time. It’s another reason why the State steps in and makes these anti-male laws – because single moms don’t watch their kids as attentively as couples raising kids do.
@ anonymous does not forgive
That’s already happening and accepted by the medical profession, which has always been a fast track to anything and everything new in social behavior. anon is right – legalizing gay relationships involving minors is going to be their next step. Disgusting!
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“Oh, fuckity fuck douchecanoe douchenozzle.
LOL!! This was the best part. Anyone who has ready any feminist blogs knows this is first-rate satire of the idiotic style in which they write.
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This post is cruel. I feel too old for love now … Hope I’ll find anyone desperate enough to fall in love with me. The problem is that I don’t like men who appear to be desperate … And even if I’ll ever have a boyfriend he’ll probably fantasize about teenagers not about me.
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Reminds me of the story about the guy dating the 40 year old mother.
Her 16 year old daughter strolls through the living room. The mother asks ‘if there where a fire, would you save me or my daughter?’
I’d save your daughter, says he.
Oh, you’re so sweet, says the mother, eyes glowing.
Yeah, I’ve already fucked you.
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I always thought the quincenera party meant “she’s available”.
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It does.
A friend of mine taught for seven years in LA Unified. He said that every year, two or three teachers at his high school would be caught in compromising positions with a student. (That means sex, by the way. The media only reports on a tiny fraction of these cases.)
The instructors: All Latino males in their twenties.
The students: All fifteen-year-old Latina girls.
It’s a powerful cultural drive. Jesus, just today at a fast-food restaurant, I watched a 30-year-old guy eyeball strip a 14-year-old girl for well over seven minutes. She literally hid behind her mother. All were Latin.
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After seven minutes he probably got past eyeball stripping to eyeball anal raping.
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I can believe it. My last was a 22y/o Mexican girl who looked 15~16. She pretty much ruined me for anything over 25
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The hottest women I ever had (one was an Elite model) were all about 30. Don’t write ’em off.
They’re also the best in bed — regardless of the “younger, hotter, tighter” maxim that reigns on this site.
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I don’t think this is about who is best in bed. I think this is strictly about what biological features are most probable to make a dick hard the fastest
Imagine what those 30 year old hotties looked like at 18. Even hotter.
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NA[30yo]ALT
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Yes. When I was 13 I liked 13 year old girls. There was never a time since then when they suddenly started to get unattractive, all that happened is that I learned how to appreciate older females even more. But any grown man of normal psychological makeup will find many 15 year old girls hot even if he will never admit it (some will find some girls even younger than that hot, but the hottest 15 year old girls appeal to almost all men).
Anyone who knows what “Psycho Girl” means will confirm this (all time world record for NSFWness).
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I dont get the reproductive value statement in this article either. Who wants or can afford 10 babies? One or two kids max. Shit..
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Agreed. I wouldn’t want more than two kids either. But we’re talking about what the primitive reptilian hind brain in you wants. And that part of you wants to produce as much spawn as you can.
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Why? Are you going to eat his muscles for food? Money is what buys food, you nitwit, and older guys are more likely to have it. Also, you’re more likely to have fathers around if you only mate with one dude.
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I remeber reading some bs on the ‘curing’ of sex offenders, anyway they used a computer program with pictures of people of all ages and the software was measuring time to click through as a measure of attractiveness. Will they still stare at little kids, anyway the people running the program stated it was normal for men to spend more time looking at jailbait teens. Science already knew.
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[…] Scientific Evidence That Men Dig Barely Legal Chicks […]
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Behold! The face of a child fused with the body of a pornstar.
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I assume they were looking at desirablity for marriage. If they were talking about one night stands, they should be going for peak fertility.
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This.
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Dont forget in western culture we sexualize girls very early. According to mark zolos article sex with kids on naughtynomad.com.hes even banged 16yr olds.jis friends bangrd 14yt olds cuz its hard to tell.top modelling agenceys get girls as young as 14 so its no wonder this is the cade. In germany 15 is age of consent
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One of the sad things about being a teenage girl is seeing what men really are. Time and time again I remember my friends and I wanting to respect older men in our lives, wanting to look up to them, and continuously being disappointed. That pillar of the community – perv. That popular teacher – perv. That prominent doctor or lawyer – perv. The kindly older neighbor, the policeman or fireman – all pervs, except for the priests, who were too busy trying to get with the fourteen year old boys to pay us much attention. I remember an older gentleman at my first job – I was sixteen. We said hi to each other, I thought he was nice, until the day he told me he wanted to smear yogurt all over my body and lick it off. My heart broke a little, I was ashamed and angry and wished for the days when I was a kid and things were simpler. Then again, at nine I was busy trying to stay the hell away from the neighbor who was always trying to tickle us girls. Don’t any of you have daughters? Is this what you wish for them? The only teenage girls I knew who went for older men were seriously damaged from being sexually abused or molested or were so stupid as to be functionally retarded. So men, please look, but don’t assume that your desires are reciprocated and the only thing keeping you from the fifteen year old girl is a statute.
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“Don’t any of you have daughters? Is this what you wish for them?”
No, I don’t have any daughters, but even if I did, what I or anyone else wishes is completely inconsequential.
When it comes to matters of sexual attraction, our desires are dictated by hundreds of millions of years of evolution. What anyone wants to happen (or believes ought to happen) doesn’t alter reality.
As for a younger girl “reciprocating” this attraction, it’s still a matter of Game. Nine years old is too young to experience lust, but teens do. The “pervs” you describe would be unattractive to most any girl, not because they were old, but because they were too beta.
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@phinn
Most women have a biological urge towards a tall man in late 20s early thirties with thick hair. But this blog seems to ignore that (even though females do the selecting). It detracts few points for men who are short balding or old. These are not ideal candidates to mate with.
The reason we don’t mate with 16 year olds is because they are incapable of raising offspring (not to mention it’s creepy). If women are capable of producing healthy offspring until the age if 35 then there is no biological urge dictating that you should be more attract to 16 year olds. That is just your personal preference.
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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?
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Females “do the selecting” precisely BECAUSE female attractiveness is objective. Men do not need to evaluate women extensively. Women do not need to demonstrate their sexual value by performing over the course of hours, days, or months of performance-based tests. A female’s sexual market value is written on her face. It’s apparent in her breasts and hip-to-waist ratio. It’s in her hair and skin tone. It takes a man about a tenth of a second to “select” a woman, because men select women based on obvious, objective beauty features. And almost all men have the same or similar reactions as each other.
Women select (provider) men based on their ability to provide — emotional stability, diligence, his competitive mindset, his willingness to sacrifice for others (I.e., women and children). That takes time.
Women will, of course, also lust after alphas, based on their physical fitness and other obvious criteria, and that alpha selection process takes approximately two-tenths of a second — slightly longer than a man’s evaluation of female beauty, but short compared to a woman’s selection process when she’s conducting husband-auditions.
Male attraction to 16 year-olds (other than the especially fat and ugly ones) is not mere personal preference. It’s virtually universal. It’s our genetic heritage, consent statutes notwithstanding.
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Wanting sex from fertile women is not pervy; wanting sex from infertile women is what is pervy.
In other words, any guy in his late 40s on up who still actually wants to have sex with his wife is pervy.
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It’s kinda strange that the majority of men are “pervs”.
It’s only because you’ve been brainwashed into believing so. And, I might add, brainwashed into believing that two dudes who want to stick their dicks in each others’ buttholes are NOT pervs, but poor put-upons who deserve to get “married”.
Perverts are defined as those whose desires go against nature. The problem is that men desiring teenage girls does NOT go against nature. It’s biologically correct.
The problem, rather, is that the majority of men are beta idiots who need to get rid of their creepy behavior. They’re not pervs. If the idiots who came on to you in that fashion (lick yogurt off your body, etc.) had done so on older women — and I’m pretty sure they have hit on older women in the same fashion — they would have gotten the exact same reaction.
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all pervs, except for the priests, who were too busy trying to get with the fourteen year old boys to pay us much attention.
Case in point. You say the priests aren’t pervs. But they are in fact pervs, and a large number that I’ve run into are obvious faggots. A man who’s sexually attracted to a girl who is older than about 14 or 15 is not.
The point is, you have to learn to deal with that fact. Once you turn 14 or 15 and are attractive, don’t get too friendly with any man unless you wouldn’t mind getting into a relationship with him.
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I didn’t mean to say that the priests weren’t pervs, only that they were “safe” because they weren’t interested in girls. They were in fact much worse. Supposed men of God, having taken the vow of chastity, using their positions of trust to prey upon young boys. I had a friend in high school, an altar boy. A priest befriended him at the age of fourteen, would take him out to dinner, give him alcohol, and have sex with him. We found out twenty years later. He had wanted to wait for his parents to pass away before filing a suit, but the statute of limitations was running out. What would you call their relationship? I would call it rape. Sometimes it’s not just a matter of not getting too friendly. A fourteen year old, girl or boy, will inherently be at a disadvantage when an adult, perhaps someone they respect, someone in a position of power over them, or someone who is supposed to be protecting them, sexualized them.
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Yeh but the difference is younger girls are actually attracted to older men. Whereas alter boys certainly weren’t attracted to the priests.
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“Wahhhh I have it soooo rough being soooo pretty. All these guys I don’t want keep trying to get with me…nobody understands how difficult my life is me me me me my problems look at me I’m a victim…”
Attention whore.
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What part of sexual freedom do you not get? You can’t be a little bit pregnant. You want no standards, no restrictions on female sexuality, well guess what? EVERY and I mean EVERY guy is going to work out his desires. Men are hardwired that way. Just like women are hard wired for Alpha assholes. The more alpha and asshole, the better.
If you don’t like it, blame yourself. And feminists for ending restraint on sexuality. A more 1950’s approach to sexuality is required to make those pillars of the community act like 1950’s TV dads. The desire will still be there. But you can’t have restraint only for men. If you want older guys to refrain from undressing you, you better have in place a system that prevents slutwalks, provocative dress, out of wedlock births, sleeping around, and all the other female sexual freedoms you want.
The price of your sexual freedom is everyone else’s. Including older guys your dad’s age visually undressing you. How hard is that to understand?
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Preach on, brother!
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You are confusing causes, and, like a woman, narrowly applying a broad general cultural phenomenon to only what affects you.
Guess what, yogurt tits? You’re a “perv,” too. Everyone is perverse now. It’s called growing up in the heart of the Sexual Revolution. You are scandalized by how the downside of the revolution affected precious little you but utterly ignorant about how it affected everybody — particularly the people you have singled out as the solely culpable victimizers.
If you took a step back from insane feminist propaganda like “The Male Gaze” once in a while, you might realize these “perverted” episodes are caused by the incongruities in the laws that do not sufficiently take into account our nature. If men were free to express their appreciation of beautiful ingenues (like Maurice Chevalier not too long ago, “Thank Heaven for Little Girls”), they wouldn’t come out in secret, awkward, antisocial bursts. We would be more well-adjusted all around.
What a perv, amirite?!? Wrong. You are the deviant for interpreting an innocent gesture into something sexual.
The problem is our insistence on sexualizing everything. Guess who did that, feminist? You cannot just fixate on The Male Gaze and find all evil radiating through it. The revolution opened the flood gates, all is permitted. You cannot selectively withhold license from segments of the population you feel irrationally threatened by.
Sex is a part of life, there is no getting around it. But civilized cultures channel and sublimate those natural impulses into civilized behavior. Your side broke the compact, not mine. And the fuuuuck will I be lectured about the consequences of your social experimentation, much less accept responsibility for your arrogance.
Now go to the dairy section and pick up some Dannon’s. I like blueberry flavor, fruit on the bottom. Here’s licking at you, kid.
Matt
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Wait – he said blueberry, too. How did you know this? Are you him? Really Matt, there’s no need for name-calling. Wipe the knee jerk, feminist-hating, cunt-calling froth from your mouth and listen up. I’ve been married for 20 years and haven’t broken any social contracts. Any irrational fears I may harbor have to do with clowns, not men. This isn’t about precious little me. My teenage daughter was confronted by an adult male in shall we say a disturbing fashion last week. This brought back some memories for me and made me realize that it was now her turn to deal with this crap. But don’t you worry, she’ll deal with it just fine, like all the girls before her have. It doesn’t really have much to do with how you’re raised either. I lived with my parents through college, was engaged at 23, married at 25, never did the walk of shame. Doesn’t matter – the man in the street doesn’t differentiate between virgin and whore. Whatever. The thing is, Matt, there’s another kind of biological imperative – that of a parent who will protect their child at any cost. If any adult male were to touch my daughter and I were to get to him before her father did, I would have his balls ripped off and stuffed down his throat faster than you can say “yogurt tits.”. Biology, bitch. Anyway. Go fuck yourself Matt, go fuck yourself.
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Behold the eternal narcissism of the female mind:
It’s not all about you, precious princess. It’s about the culture and politics you contribute to, which have indeed abrogated the social compact, your bravado about maternal protectiveness notwithstanding.
If you want to avoid being labeled a cunt, stop casually disparaging my church with the most heinous of accusations. Even if there is truth in those accusations (which there is, but only an underwhelmingly little), pronounce them with qualifiers, deference, and respect.
Your hysterics and paranoia aside, I am an advocate of protecting the defenseless, such as your daughter. We disagree about the origins of her defenselessness, and your naïveté about the culture indirectly harms her. So you can save the high dudgeon for sensationalist Dateline accounts of predators in every bush and on every chat window. You do not see how your nightmare fantasies contribute to your daughter’s vulnerability: overpreparing her for fictitious threats allows the real threats (the ones she will actively seek out and encourage herself) to insinuate into her soul unawares.
Most men are not sociopaths. Their instinct is to keep the institutions which preserve your daughter’s innocence until she has the will to give it freely. Even rapists retain this ineradicable instinct as they are raping. I encourage you to go to my link above at freerangekids.com. You want to shame men for their attraction to innocence, and guess what, it’s working on great swaths of the male population!
Only, rather than creating real defenses against this attraction — which would require your acknowledging it as naturally occurring and therefore quasi-legitimate — you think legal codes, parental bravado, and internet shaming will suffice to eradicate our sexual impulses. Instead, they just emerge in different places, the places you are not monitoring, like, say, in the developing sexual notions of your own little girl herself. And the minute she is out of your care she will be into the bed of the first man who is not intimidated by you and Pa into being embarrassed for what he is attracted to. Orbiting beta males will white-knight the hell out of her, and she will undermine them at every turn. In other words, she will buy the yogurt herself and climax extra hard because mom doesn’t approve.
If only men were manly enough to be predatory anymore! then they’d also be manly enough to protect the vulnerable. Your empty internet threats about “balls [being] ripped off and stuffed down his throat” are not true protection. They are impotent noises that make you feel better. Again, you will be the ones most astonished at your real powerlessness when your daughter is truly in harm’s way.
Matt
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You are 53 and gnarly. Enough said. Go back to your forever alone circle jerk.
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Bitter-woman bait hooks another one.
Does your daughter have a cell phone yet? Email me her digits.
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CH, let me handle this one. First, thank you, woman, for proving in a single post everything discussed at this blog. Are you really that unable to read and understand concepts that are not even very abstract. Your word “perv” was thrust on you by feminism fighting nature. We are talking about *nature* here. Men are hardwired from evolution to be attracted to 18-year-old (or 16 year old) girls. For all of the reasons discussed here. Your very use of the word “perv” is a circularism that is proving the very point of this blog. You can’t see that? Yes, as others also commented, we have legal rules in place for the good of society (which only men care about). But it is WOMEN who broke the deal starting in the 1960s. If the coworker had a thin woman at home giving him regular sex, he would not have talked to you about yogurt. When a man is 18, he is attracted to a woman who looks like an 18 year old (if she’s pretty and thin). When he’s 26…same attraction. When he’s 56…same. Not our fault. It is not “perv.” You literally just simply described nature. You did not address the underlying reason for this post.
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You’re a feminist dupe.
“One of the sad things about being a teenage girl is seeing what men really are. Time and time again I remember my friends and I wanting to respect older men in our lives, wanting to look up to them, and continuously being disappointed. That pillar of the community – perv. That popular teacher – perv. That prominent doctor or lawyer – perv. The kindly older neighbor, the policeman or fireman – all pervs,”
Men who are attracted to teenage girls are not pervs. They are normal. Men who say they are not attracted are just brainwashed by the culture to think it’s perverted behavior. Look at what you said: you mentioned all kinds of men from all walks of life – the teacher, the doctor, the lawyer, the firefighter etc….which means this affects men form all backgrounds, not weirdoes. The weirdoes are the ones that like much younger kids, not teenage girls. They usually kidnap kids, molest them or kill them, or they are into boy sex. Those are the true pervs.
“Don’t any of you have daughters? Is this what you wish for them? “
Your parents should have protected you from all men, not just older men. Laws can’t stop biology, they just criminalize what some people don’t like due to their self-interest. Normal parent don’t want their daughters sexually-active teens, but they must protect them through instilling morals – not naively assume that the law will do the job instead. Bad people don’t obey the law anyway. That’s why we have to protect ourselves and our children and not depend on laws.
“The only teenage girls I knew who went for older men were seriously damaged from being sexually abused or molested or were so stupid as to be functionally retarded.”
It’s exactly the opposite. Girls that sleep with older men are more feminine, and less feministic-ly inclined and brainwashed. They look for older men to protect and teach them, and they probably have fewer lovers over time. They usually feel that guys their age are not manly and sexy enough. These girls are more in tune with their femininity than girls who look for men their own age who don’t look masculine enough yet.
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Lily, I’m not a feminist dupe, I’m a mom. My parents survived Hitler and Stalin, trust me, they were more than capable of protecting me from any man, as my husband and I are capable of protecting our daughter. My father was actually 20 years older than my mom, the difference being they were both adults when they met. All of these aging would be Romeos have to accept that no parents who care about their daughters are going to accept this kind of behavior, and be man enough to handle the consequences.
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Again with the narcissism. You interpret all global phenomena through your tiny little lens of experience. What does the universal male attraction to innocence have to do with your particular upbringing? Men will still be overwhelmingly attracted to youth, no matter what country your parents were born in or what you and your husband “are capable of.”
But of course you have nothing to say to the (necessarily) general responses to your peculiar claims. You can’t even imagine them applicable outside of yourself.
Matt
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Did you notice? It’s the typical incoherent feminist reply – throwing things that have nothing to do with the main point of the issue.
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My parents survived Hitler and Stalin…
Heh, heh… Godwin smiles. Never known it to fail… yet more of the Six Million survivors.
But hey… at least this time Stalin was thrown into the mix… the times, they are a-changin’?
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A “perv” here.Wife 18, me 30, she just made a sandwich . Guys, stop getting married with 30 years old women. They are good for a empowering bj in the office. Put aside your WN bullshit and have a LRT with a latina who had been raised by both parents ( extra points if wasn’t born in this country). I prefer our women getting married with whites than becoming single mothers skanks by fking trini and ddps but you need stop being nerd.
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Knock off the Aztlan bullshit and we’ll tone down the WN, hermano.
Then again, it’s easy to want something better for your race by having your dolls “marry up”.
Problem is, we’ve got nowhere to marry up except amongst our own… and we’d like to keep some blue-eyed blondes around for the future… but that’s a tale for another day.
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(clears throat, speaks gently, as to a child)
Greg, there are blonde-haired, blue-eyed Latinas.
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I used to teach 6th grade. I once had a Hispanic girl in class who was from Colombia I think. If you didn’t know her age, you would think she was 18. I saw her at a ball game, making out with a much older guy. She was 11 years old.
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And you didnt bang her? Beta chump!
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This shows that men were selected for monogamy. If we only planned on banging a girl for a few months, we’d go for girls in the prime of their fertility.
I wouldn’t be surprised if black guys have less of a predilection for teenagers.
Multicultist reframe: White guys are evil pedophiles!
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My comment got lost so I’ll try again: when I was 13 I thought 13 year old girls were hot, and there was never a time when they turned unattractive; it’s just that as I got older I started liking older girls more. There are many 15-year old girls who would be found hot by the great majority of normal adult men, though most men would prefer not to admit it. This is completely normal biologically and in almost all societies in history would have been considered so normal culturally as to not even be worth mentioning.
In America today, most teenage girls are not emotionally well equipped to have the kind of sexual relationships most teenage girls actually have, although in other societies 15 year old girls are capable of getting married with no negative consequences whatsoever. But the unwisdom of having sex with a 15 year old girl under certain social conditions has nothing to do with the biological mechanism of sexual attraction and anyone who thinks it should is a moral imbecile who can’t even comprehend the idea that it is possible to want to do things that one ought not to do without the desire itself being evil.
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Okay Heartiste, I have a non-feminist explanation for why the age of consent in some places is 18 and other places it is only 14. Not all girls physically mature at the same pace!!!!! Some girls are literally 17 years old and still don’t have any trace of womanly hips/butt. They are not hourglass shaped; instead their bodies are straight up and down, like a ruler. Let’s just say that the average girl in the United States finishes puberty at age 16, but the standard deviation is quite large. So perhaps the laws are really in effect to protect the girls who don’t actually physically mature until age 18 from actual pedophiles.
In places like Latin America and Africa it could be the case that girls mature earlier on average, and so if the age of consent is 14 it is okay because the vast majority of girls will have matured by then.
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I’m genuinely surprised this was allowed to air on TV. Keep in mind the girls in the video are actually teenagers.
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Older, manjawed bitch be huffin’ ‘n’ puffin’ over the hotter, teenage competition. Hairless, pumped up dude swaggerin’ on the beach while jailbait hos wish they could eat his meat.
Ahhh, nothin’ like the nineties…
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What jailbait? Those girls are all 16.
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AoC is 18 in a lot of states, sir.
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I’m a lot older than you and can tell you that people weren’t as puritanical as they are today(the result of feminism really)
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Probability of getting preggers is the same at age 18 as 25:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/probability-of-pregancy-by-age/#.UY8xlbVQGAU
So what’s the advantage of shacking up with a 25 yr old? Nothing.
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I have a tendency to date younger. It’s not a rule or anything, but I’m 30 and the stone cold reality is that the pool of available women my age who are worth a damn is small and grows smaller by the day. And I gotta tell you I catch soooo much shit from my friends for it. To the point where I honestly think I wouldn’t catch a fraction of that much crap if I announced I had a boyfriend.
One of my friends actually was ready to set me up with a girl my age he knew who had a little bastard kid. So I’m a loser for dating an 18 or 19 year old, but it would be totally cool to date some bitch my age who apparently can’t figure out how to open a fucking condom wrapper?
Unreal.
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Sounds like your friends are jealous of your quality poon tang. Or they’re queers.
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Nah they’re good guys, and in most respects smart as hell, but this is one area where they tend to very much be a victim of cultural conditioning.
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Sounds like they are rationalizing away out of reach grapes also.
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Women base the acceptable range on age rather than number of partners because it’s what gives them the advantage. Imagine a 23-year-old guy who’s never had a lover, dating a 17-year-old girl who’s on her fifth or sixth. Somehow he’s taking some kind of unfair advantage?
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How many songs written about this? A few examples : Sweet little 16 – Chuck Berry You’re 16 , you’re beautiful and you’re mine – Johnny Burnette /Ringo Starr She was only 16 -Dr Hook Just 14 -The Original Sins – ” See her walking home from school ,see the ribbons in her hair , see the way she looks so cool , just 14 and I don’t care. ”
Francine – ZZ Top -” Francine just turned 13 “. Jolene – The Dirtbombs – “Jolene Jolene , teenage queen , just 13 ,jolene jolene ” Into the night – Benny Mardones – ” She was just 16 years old , leave her alone , they said.” When you were sweet 16 – The Fureys
Sure you can find more.
Men are biologically programmed to look , want ,lust after,females in this age spread, just like this research shows , and which we all knew and felt in our balls anyway. 13/ 14 too young ? Not when life expectancy was much lower. Now ? Well you can still look but not touch , still think it but not do it. At least until they bring in the thoughtcrime laws.
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You forgot WINGER.
All of that back-lit hairsprayed “male gazing,” my word!
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The best porn videos always start off with “So tell us how old you are…”
“I just turned 18 last week gigle giggle!”
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Dancing Queen – Abba. Chuck Berry’s reputation has been tarnished because of his relationship with a girl. Garry Glitter
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Classic…
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At this link are pictures of two women: one who I dated about 16 years ago, when I was 34, and who was a few years older than me (I think she was 41), and one who I dated from last June through last month, who is now 22: http://guyinism.com/uncategorized/time-opens-all-wounds/
I urge any guy contemplating being with an older woman to take a look, and any guy who has already looked, to look again.
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Reverse image search reveals the younger girl to be an escort in Tampa.
LOL
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That’s how we met; she’s an ex-escort now, though … at least for the time being. PS. Pretty impressive technology.
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dam life sucks
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Thanks to feminism we actually have to conduct science experiments to confirm that grass is green and the sky is blue…
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As a quick aside… this is an entirely Westernized concept. In other “developing” countries, a teenage girl with a man well into this 20s or 30s is rather trivial. Again, feminism exists because we have created the infrastructure for its existence. It is no wonder then, that many men exfiltrate to “developing” nations for fun, playmates, and even brides. DC is a fucking terrible place to date and the fact that manosphere was in part birthed here, is not a coincidence. But it does have -one- redeeming quality. Hot foreigners. And they don’t come fresh off the boat with all these poisonous notions spinning in the wheel. Sadly, the heady golden years of ‘hot au pairs from abroad’ seem to have passed into shadow like fucking Frodo trudging it up towards Mt. Doom.
My -girlfriends- have been foreigners for the better part of 5 years now. EEs, Brazilian, Asian, Persian. I only sample “local stock” for fucking anymore. I can’t fathom becoming truly embroiled with an Americunt unless she is some exceptional creature that has been raised in a fairly classic household. Needle in the proverbial haystack, then, innit?
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She’s got me dizzy, she sees me through to the end
She’s got me in her hands and there’s no use in pretending
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I’ve got
And she’s hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
“I don’t usually say things like this to girls your age, but when I saw you
coming out of the school that day, that day I knew, I knew, I’ve got to have
you, I’ve got to have you.”
She’s’ been around, but she’s young and clean
I’ve got to have her, can’t live without her, whoo no
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah
So clean, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
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* “…I want to give her WHAT I’ve got”
“…but when I saw you coming out of SCHOOL that day”
“…WHOA no”
*Magnificent* song.
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There was a big scandal around here involving an athlete and a young girl. I think she was 16 at the time of the scandal. Went right to the guy’s place and threw herself at him. He went down in flames and is on the sex offender registry.
It happens that girl was in daycare a few houses down, and I knew her when she was about 13. I’d have fucked her, legalities notwithstanding. Add about three years of maturity and I have no doubt she could buy alcohol all day long without an ID. That guy never knew what hit him, and him being on the sex offender registry is utter bullshit.
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Watch for feminists and their little herb henchmen to try to change the female age of consent to 20 at the very least. If they have their way you’re gonna start thinking of a 19 year old as jailbait.
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Probably something like 21 if the “older partner” (read: male, because this will only be enforced against males) is over 25.
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Wait until they recommend the removal of one testicle at birth like circumcision. After all, removing one testicle cuts the risk of testicular cancer by 50 percent right? Besides, everyone knows you don’t need two balls to reproduce and it’s just male babies. It’s not like we’re hurting little girls or anything….
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“Lady, I got one ball left… and the one I got… you’re breakin’!“
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I’ve always speculated that for maximum efficiency, guys will prefer maximally fertile women for short term relationships, but younger women (and hence those with the greatest residual value) for permanent relationships. What do you think?
[CH: I think this is a hypothesis with some observational evidence to back it up.]
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Anon May 10, 2013 at 12:39 pm
“2. Also, the men that prefered 14-15 year olds were more likely to bang a virgin and less likely to contract venereal diseases; thus the genes of those men proliferated.
[Good point.]”
Uh, while I could be wrong, I thought that before the Middle Ages, there was way, way less VD than there is now (and way fewer types than there has developed in the last 100 years or so).
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Before 1492 Christopher Columbus had not yet brought syphilis back from the New World.
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19 is the best age for a virgin girl to marry.
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D-wade been reading this blog: http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/fox-sports-networks/story/Dwyane-Wade-surprises-fan-who-invited-hi?blockID=903385&feedID=3565
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[…] not only is attractiveness an important factor, but so is youth. This will allow them to maximize the remaining value of the woman’s womb. The percent of men who choose such long term mating vs. the percent who choose short term mating […]
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It’s not complicated.
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