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Science Vindicates Game… Again

May 14, 2013 by CH

A big part of game is the comfort stage, when the man “builds a connection” with the woman. He does this by understanding that the deft use of language — tailoring words for maximum impact on a woman’s psyche and thereby hitting her attraction buttons — is the charisma lube which helps create that magical feeling of “clicking” or “connection” that women so desperately crave in any potential mate.

A man’s looks may be helpful, but a man’s words… now that’s where the real action happens.

And, as if telepathically “connected” to Chateau Heartiste, SCIENCE once again ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ all over GAME. Speed dating couples “click” when men use the right words.

Can you “click” with someone after only four minutes? That’s the question at the heart of new research by Stanford scholars Dan McFarland and Dan Jurafsky that looks at how meaningful bonds are formed. […]

“One of the key features of a community, social network or relationship is the sense that it’s meaningful, that there is some kind of force behind the relationship,” McFarland said. “We wanted to get at what the essence of the connection is, what makes people feel like they bonded.”

McFarland said much of the literature on social bonding points to characteristics – traits, status, attributes, motivation, experiences – as reasons why people connect. But, he said, those explanations ignore or downplay the role of communication. […]

Their analysis of nearly 1,000 dates found that words, indeed, do matter. How the words are delivered, when and for how long make a difference to how people feel toward each other, and in this case, whether the men and women sensed that they “clicked” during their encounter.

The four-minute date, the study found, was enough time to forge a meaningful relationship – something that seemed to go beyond looks and motivation. But female participants reported lower rates of “clicking” than men, suggesting the women are more selective and, in this particular setting, more powerful.

Women are hypergamous and thus more selective. No surprises. Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Men are expendable, women perishable.

What’s interesting about this study, from a game perspective, is that it shows men are considered more attractive by women if they…

– strategically gratify women’s solipsistic nature
– interrupt women, but only to “mirror” them and elicit their values
– refrain from asking a lot of questions (statement-statement-question is the relevant game concept)
– share stories from their lives (embedded DHV spikes)
– and project an alternately engaged and seductive alpha male voice tone quality

The researchers said the longer it took for the individuals to decide on a date, the more they reported having a bonding experience, suggesting communication can change someone’s feelings about another person and break the association with traits.

“Give me five minutes to talk away my ugly face, and I can bed the Queen of France.”
– Voltaire

Reading this study, you may be inclined to conclude that women just like to talk about themselves a lot, and love it when men leverage that female vanity to progress the courtship toward sex. Yes! A lot of romantic “connection” that women feel is so magical and fateful is just the man coolly sitting back and letting the woman yap a little, while he nods occasionally or touches her forearm for synchronicity.

Man: *silent*

Woman: “He understood me so well!”

By the way, if you want to maximize your chances at any speed dating event, be sure to attend one where the women rotate.

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  1. on May 14, 2013 at 12:13 pm askjoe

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 1:43 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      A man’s looks may be helpful, but a man’s lotsas cockas… now that’s where the real action happens.

      And, as if telepathically “connected” to Chateau Heartiste, SCIENCE once again ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ all over GAME. Speed dating couples “butthetx” when men use the right words.

      Can you “dick” in someone after only four minutes? That’s the question at the heart of new research by Stanford scholars Dan McFarland and Dan Jurafbutthextsky that looks at how meaningful bonds are formed. […]

      “One of the key features of a community, social network or relationship is the sense that it’s meaningful, that there is some kind of anal force behind the butthext,” McFarland said. “We wanted to get at what the essence of the butthext is, what makes people feel like they butthexted.”

      McFarland said much of the literature on social bonding points to characteristics – traits, status, attributes, motivation, experiences, size of lostas cockas – as reasons why people butthext. But, he said, those explanations ignore or downplay the role of anal lube. […]

      Their anal-anal-analysis of nearly 1,000 dates found that cockas, indeed, do matter. How the cockas are delivered, when and for how long make a difference to how people feel toward each other, and in this case, whether the men and women sensed that they “butthexted” during their encounter.

      The four-minute pre-butthext, the study found, was enough time to forge a meaningful relationship – something that seemed to go beyond looks and motivation. But female participants reported lower rates of “dicking” than men, suggesting the women are more selective and, in this particular setting, more powerful.

      Women are hypergamous and thus more selective. No surprises. Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap, buttholez abound–some folks have two. Men are expendable, women perishable, buttholes buttehxtual.

      What’s interesting about this study, from a game perspective, is that it shows men are considered more attractive by women if they…

      – strategically gratify women’s butthextual nature
      – interrupt women, but only to “mirror” them and elicit their orgasms
      – refrain from butthexting a lot of questions (statement-statement-question is the relevant game concept)
      – share stories from their buttehxtual encounterz (embedded DHV spikes)
      – and project an alternately engaged and seductive anal male voice tone quality

      The researchers said the longer it took for the individuals to decide on a date, the more they reported having a bonding experience, suggesting communication can change someone’s feelings about another person and break the association with traits.

      “Give me five minutes to talk away my ugly face, and I can butthext the Queen of France.”
      – Voltaire

      Reading this study, you may be inclined to conclude that women just like to butthetx themselves a lot, and love it when men leverage that female vanity to progress the courtship toward butthsex. Yes! A lot of romantic “butthext” that women feel is so magical and fateful is just the man coolly sitting back and letting the woman yap a little, while he nods occasionally or touches her anus and boobies for synchronicity.

      Man: *silent*

      Woman: “He butthexted me so well!”

      By the way, if you want to maximize your chances at any speed dating event, be sure to attend one where the women spin and rotate on da lostas cockas carouslesz lzzzlzlzoz.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:00 pm Ironsun

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm Ironsun

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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  2. on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm tspark156

    A while back I was at a function and the host made an announcement to congratulate an elderly couple that were celebrating their sixtieth anniversary. When asked what was the secret of the marriage the old boy delighted the crowd by saying “she talks and I listen”. It seems that science today is the method by which the not particularly intelligent make themselves feel clever by telling us what are forefathers consider the bleedin obvious.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 12:31 pm tspark156

      Our forefathers

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 1:04 pm Jason

      Yup. Just this morning my wife yapped for fifteen minutes about something stressful happening to her. I actively listened, hands behind back, saying the occasional “yeah” or “really”.

      At the end, she said she loved my attitude and felt our marriage was incredibly strong.

      I had said nothing.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 1:10 pm Honcho the Aardvark

        Yup. Be taciturn.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 1:49 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozol

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      i was at dinner once at my LA/NYC 10′s grilfreindsz house and her dad asked a questionz.

      her dad said “the other day i was talking to our ministerz and he asked me if i knew what the number once cause of divorce and marital strife was. i guessed “lack of fiath?” and he said, “no–lack of money.” he expalined, “the minister stated that money and how much or little you make is the number one cause of marital strife issues and divorce.”

      i looked at my grifreind and she was nodding nodding nodding obediently nodding like a little puppy dog.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:27 pm tspark156

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 10:13 am Marky Mark

        So true! Even if you have millions of dollarz never give it to da bitchezzz…. only the alpha fux from me!

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 pm Erudite Knight

      Silence is so powerful as a male

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  3. on May 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm the latent sadist

    absolutely. the last date i was on i was feeling pretty good. i let her talk and talk and talk and i directed her yapping away from bad subjects (her ex) by interupting. Also we were kinda walking around (my fav on a date…you can touch so easily…bump into each other..etc) and i kinod often. soon she was reciprocating. she would talk and i would just add a thing or two from time to time on the subject (her boring life). The key here is adding kino. Otherwise you veer into friend category…or like her therapist. Think of touching her suggestively (on the lower back, her arms) as a neutralizer for her attempt to make you her confidant/buddy. You will become that if you allow that to happen. Touching her sends a very clear signal. And the proper combination of vibing with her and being physical is the key. im still refining my approach.

    DOnt be afraid of silences. women are masters of putting pressure on dudes with strategic silences…making the guy chase/qualify/invest. do it to them. they start qualifying themselves and getting off balance and flustered. As Ch would say, their vaginas blossom. Just keep in mind it does not pay to be the one investing more in the conversation. you arent there to ensure shes entertained at all times.

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 8:06 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      the latent badasssadist
      absolutely. the last butthext sessionsz i was on i was feeling pretty good. i let her suck and sucj and suck and i directed her suxcking away from bad subjects (her ex’s cockas) by cumming. Also we were kinda butthexthhinc around (my fav on a date…you can buttovk buttcock so easily…rump into each other..etc) and i cummed often. soon she was reciprocating. she would squirtz and i would just add a thing or two from time to time on the subject (her boring giba). The key here is adding kinobuttethext and telelkenisiskenetic butthcet. Otherwise you veer into friend category…or like her therapist. Think of butthexting her suggestively (on the lower anus, her arms) as a neuteriaxer for her attempt to make you her non butthecting confidant/buddy. You will become that if you allow that to happen. Touching her sends a very clear signal. And the proper combination of vibratiing with her and being physical is the key. im still refining my anal approach.

      DOnt be afraid of silences. women are masters of putting pressure on dudes cocks with strategic buttjole butthole silences…making the guy chase/qualify/butthext. do it to them. they start qualifying themselves and getting off balance and flustered. As Ch would say, their bungholes blossom. Just keep in mind it does not pay to be the one investing more in the butthext. you arent there to ensure her buttholez is entertained at all times.

      zlzoozozozzozz

      der i fiexed it for you!! ;zpzpzpz

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  4. on May 14, 2013 at 12:48 pm the latent sadist

    last thing ill say i just thought this was a quick way of summarizing what i said above.

    a girl is like a blank slate..regarding how she perceives you. Its your responsibility to deter her from mentally labeling you a beta/orbiter….and steer her towards thinking youre the alpha/guy-she-wants-to-bang. may seem obvious, but when you really understand that its all in how you mold their perception…it starts to click. theres an unlimited amount of blank slates to improve your skill with out there. im trying to remember that. your “value” is so fucking relative to the situation/girl. women are fucking stupid with how quickly theyll reject you for trivial stupid shit…minor mistakes that reflect nothing about who you truly are as a a man.

    but theyll also fuck you using that same whimsical, shallow reasoning… if you know how to mold their perception properly

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  5. on May 14, 2013 at 1:54 pm Daniel

    Heartiste wrote: refrain from asking a lot of questions (statement-statement-question is the relevant game concept)

    @heartiste

    Here is the problem with your statement-statement-question advice. I do not know what statements to make. I often feel like I do not have much to say in the area of small talk. How do you come up with statements? Please give us some examples.

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 8:26 am Jack

      you just did statement-statement-question. are you being ironic?

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 8:27 am Zombie Shane

      “Please give us some examples.”

      ANYTHING.

      It almost doesn’t matter what you say.

      Glance at the message on her t-shirt and say something clever [but with a vaguely naughty double entendre] about it.

      If you’re in the parking lot, then say something about the kind of car she drives or about a bumper sticker on the back of her car [although be forewarned that there is an almost perfect correlation between bumper-sticker-ism and femcunt-ism].

      Say something about the book she’s reading: Who do you like better – the vampires or the werewolves? If you were knocked up by a vampire but you were really in love with a werewolf, then would put the half-vampire baby up for adoption, or would you ask the werewolf to help raise the baby with you? Etc etc etc.

      Something about her iPad -vs- an iPad Mini -vs an iPad Maxi and then turn it into a joke about feminine napkins.

      Again, it almost doesn’t matter what you say: YOUR JOB IS TO JUST GET THE BALL ROLLING.

      Then, as per the subject of this thread, let her take over from there.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 8:40 am Zombie Shane

        Also, as per some John Wayne advice below, “Talk low, talk slow, and don’t say too fuckin’ much.”

        When you make your opening, you can’t be nervous, your voice can’t be trembling, your voice mustn’t squeak, you can’t be sweating profusely in your armpits, or God forbid, sweating in the palms of your hands, etc etc etc.

        FORCE YOURSELF to relax, be calm, speak in a low and gruff yet firm voice, and don’t act at all eager – in fact, act as though you don’t really give a damn whether she answers or not, because you know there will be three or four more girls just like her in just the next hour whom you’ll be hitting on as well.

        So that if she wants to distinguish herself from all those other chicks, then she’d better speak up now, while she’s got the chance.

        Remember: YOU’RE THE PRIZE.

        Not her.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 8:48 am Zombie Shane

        “FORCE YOURSELF to relax”

        And after you’ve faked it for long enough, eventually you will become it .

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 8:57 am Zombie Shane

        And if you’re not the prize yet, then cut out the extra calories, lift some serious iron, and turn yourself into the prize.

        You need to bring something to the table yourself, even if it’s no more than the strength of character which allows you to take a fat stuttering mama’s boy man-boob beta herbling loser and whip him into a slender, confident, ripped, dapper man about town.

        Despite all their whining to the contrary, chicks dig strength of character.

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 9:44 am Antonio

      Seems simple but works wonders; also take a deep breath and let it out slowly. Force a huge smile on your face before you step up, it’ll relate the tension on your face thereby relaxing you even more.

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  6. on May 14, 2013 at 2:03 pm Beefy Levinson

    It’s like John Wayne’s advice to a young Michael Caine: “Talk low, talk slow, and don’t say too fuckin’ much.”

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  7. on May 14, 2013 at 2:20 pm Phillyastro

    This information won’t be helpful to our ESL or no English speaking future citizens. We’ll have to subsidize citas rapidas for our new amigos.

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  8. on May 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm gig

    Yup. Just this morning my wife yapped for fifteen minutes about something stressful happening to her. I actively listened, hands behind back, saying the occasional “yeah” or “really”

    That is one of the greatest hurdles in game. Once you already have her, she does all the talk and women have an incredible ability to just talk

    But until you have her, you do have to talk, and that’s not the logical kind of talk you have with other men. It helps a lot to have a bonver going in those situations

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  9. on May 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm Lily

    This is a very important post about what women really prefer and respond to the most. Words really have power, and the fewer and more selective they are, the more they hit the target – the psyche. Sexually, women are creatures of the mind, hijack it and you have them floating on a fantasy.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 5:17 pm Patriarch

      First you have to fuck her mind. Then you can fuck her.

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 6:25 am Matthew King

      Nailed it! Keith agrees. See my video post below.

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  10. on May 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

    Sometimes, all it takes is a single question to send a deluge of information spewing out of the girl’s mouth.

    I recently went to a funeral home to plan for my late mother’s funeral, and the funeral director was a pretty, young thang. Looking her up and down, I asked her how long she’d been a funeral director. The broad opened up with a rundown of her hometown, her high school, the co-op program she did in grade 12, the college she went to, and her start as a funeral director at the ripe, young age of 20 years old. She yapped and yapped and yapped, and all I did was nod and crack a half smile, interjecting an “uh huh” or “yeah”, every now and then. Over half an hour of her life story came flooded out with only a single question, and she felt so much closer to me after her dam mouth (heh) burst.

    She gave me a deal on the flowers without any prompting on my part, and shared the inside scoop on how to save some money on the whole shebang. At this point, I couldn’t help but smile.

    When it was time for me to go, I gave her that cocky, eye-fucking look before she extended her hand to me. I shook it and held onto it for a few seconds longer as I held her gaze. The corners of her mouth began to rise as she leaned into the handshake, lifting one of her feet off the ground in a dainty, feminine way. It was almost as if she was skipping ever so slightly as I held her hand. It’s on, I thought to myself.

    This chick’s gonna be overseeing my mother’s funeral, and I’ll be sure to pass her my phone after it wraps up. After all, a new life begins after an old one ends.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      funeralssz are greta to meet owmenz ta
      at

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 3:01 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      owen wilson comes to visit da GBFM!!!!

      zlzolzozozozo
      and eat some meatloafesz!!!

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:17 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        That movie was like “Swingers” on steroids. Love it!

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        MEATLOAFFZZ!!! MOMZLZO!!! FUCZZK!!!!!! Lzozozozoz

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 5:14 pm Mitch Cumstein

        Sorry about your ma, but good luck with the funeral director!

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 3:38 pm anonYmous

      something about death that causes the pussy floodgates to open. you will get about a three month window. if there is any friendzoned hottie or woman you wanna hit that has a bf or an xgf for that matter reach out to them never know what might happen. i don’t know you or anything but godspeed in your time of mourning.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:20 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        Good point, man. I’m gonna have to tell everyone I know so the broads with even a shred of a soul will be giving me their “condolences” in the form of a wet, sloppy blowjob. Then, it’s time to ground and pound ’til I’m six-deep in their mound.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm Lara

      Tell her she reminds you of your mother.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:15 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        Fuck that! She’s seen my mother, naked. Pumped her full of embalming fluid, too. The last thing I wanna do is for her to conjure up a memory of decaying flesh and the nauseating stench of formaldehyde when I’ve got my hand on her ass.

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 8:14 am Zombie Shane

      “After all, a new life begins after an old one ends.”

      She sounds like a really nice girl – why don’t you put three or four buns in her oven?

      Give your Momz some post-mortem grandkids.

      Do your duty to keep the race and its civilization from going extinct.

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  11. on May 14, 2013 at 3:35 pm ImmoralGables

    Fellow readers of the Chateau. I’m pretty sure I messed up way before this text exchange by not making a move on HB7 Friday when I brought her and her friend back to my apt to blaze. Let that be a note and a painful reminder, escalate when you have the chance.

    This is probably the most painful to write but yes I didn’t escalate other than heavy sexual innuendo and kino on Friday. Yes she was trying to convince her friend for both of them to spend the night. Yes there were plenty of IOIs. Ok enough of that as I feel foolish writing it. Yes we were talking about threesomes and picking up girls so its not like I was Mr Rogers but looking back, I got too excited over this girl and cared too much.

    I’d like feedback on the text exchange that went down since Sunday. The girl in question is bisexual, Latina HB7 with a wedding ring.

    (On Saturday afternoon)
    **Me**: Out of all the Mariela’s I know, you def are in the top 3
    (A few hours later)
    **Me**: *top 5
    (Next day on Sunday)
    **Me**: You are the worst texter back ever I’m putting you on text probation.

    (On Monday afternoon)

    (From new phone, she’s from out the country): **Her** hey moralgables. fellow.gemini. this is my.new gone. so yeah thanks for.being cool and love to the virgo x
    —
    **Me**: I am so glad that as geminis we can’t get married
    —
    **Me**: You know our kids would be crazy just like us.
    —
    **Her**: Haha u need a scorpio my love they ground us and put us in check lol
    —
    **Me**: Girl, keep fronting like that and I’m taking you off the VIP list for the Gemini bday pool party
    —
    **Her**: Hahahahaha! Im so. excited! What r u up to this week
    —
    **Me**: I’m going to see krewella on Thursday, come be my wing woman. If u can hang that is
    —
    **Her**: Sounds amazing what time?
    —
    **Me**: Around 10 or so
    —
    **Me**: What are ur plans this week, other than causing trouble
    —
    **Her**: Um good question. I am playing most things by ear and working when I can haha
    —
    **Me**: Damn, you’re hardcore
    **Me**: I imagine the crazies thing you’ll do all week is j-walking without panties on
    —
    **Her**: Not.true and gross lol u clearly gemini my life is much more.interesting than that.
    —
    **Me**:For some reason I have this image of you naked, playing guitar on stage like in Forrest Gump
    —
    **Her**: Stop picturing me naked is a conflcit of interest. We can be eachothers wingmen only if we keep it gemini friendship style hahahs.
    —
    **Me**: Sorry to disappoint but I wasn’t thinking about sex. U seem lke u might be a decent wingwoman

    ———ANNNNNNNND ITS GONE————–

    ***Debrief:*** We talked a lot Friday about her being a wingwoman and us seducing chicks to that’s where her last text came from. She also plays music which is where my Forrest Gump text came from although reading it on screen makes me realize it was not nearly as smooth as I thought.

    I failed in not escalating properly Friday, it’s still coming from a mindset of unchartered territory and me not pushing myself I had an inclination that my Forrest Gump text was pushing it too far and she gave me a warning to pump the breaks. Successes were made overall but I’m still feelng like the same chump who made similar mistakes in August and October at similar social events. I’m getting to maybe mile 5, then 10, then 20 but still don’t think I can finish the marathon.

    Anyways, to calibrate, next time I should just recruit her as a wingwoman and chill a little bit. But reading YaReally’s texts on sexualizing things fast causes me to apply the idea (which is a great idea) in a miscalibrated way. Either that or again, I’m no where smooth as I think I am.

    Again, all criticism and feedback is appreciated as my ego is fine with taking a beating if the future outcome is I don’t keep dropping the ball.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 3:47 pm immoralgables

      I wrote the above comment, just didnt login properly.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 4:27 pm Matthew King

      But reading YaReally’s texts on sexualizing things fast causes me to apply the idea (which is a great idea) in a miscalibrated way.

      Or … you can just apply Occam’s Razor and realize he’s a one-trick street performer talking out his ass.

      He “sexualizes” the interaction in an already hypersexualized milieu and thinks he’s bold for it. His can only interpret those of us who apply some minimal craft/wit to our socializing as not having the balls to be as “forward” as he is. There’s no art to the single entendre, which is why your artless mentor has no choice but to advise it.

      And what is your reward? The poison g-word — “gross” — which is one step above “creepy.” No subtlety, no plausible deniability, just on to the next chick who is receptive to your crude calibrations (100% YaReally Moneyback Guarantee!). And there’s plenty of that kind of girl, I’m sure. But every one of them combined wouldn’t make up for the fact that you have no class. In fact, you are so bereft of refinement that you think it’s a sign of strength to mock the very concept of class itself as “beta” or cowardly or fussy. And you will hoot and howl at the one informing you of your deficiency as an envious hater or pretender.

      Which I now authorize you to do. Because you’ve got nothing else. Let it all out: if you’re not going to acknowledge your deficiencies, much less remedy them, you might as well loudly deny them to the approval of the mob, who will applaud you from their own shared insecurities and make you feel better for now.

      Get yourself some artistry, son, some culture, some urbanity, some savoir faire. Even if you could get a certain type of woman by whipping your dick out onto the bumpkin bar — would you refrain from doing it? Forget her. Would you refrain for simple dignity’s sake?

      Matt

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 4:59 pm Hero

        Jeez Matt, that response was worthless. Is that all you are here for these days is to pipe up and blast YaReally when somebody brings him up?

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 10:41 am Matthew King

        Just reclaiming some space for the adults, that’s all. Read the selections according to preference/maturity, and all will be copacetic.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 pm YaReally

        @Matt
        “He “sexualizes” the interaction in an already hypersexualized milieu and thinks he’s bold for it.”

        Nah, I run the same game during the day and outside of bars. I’d run it in church if I wouldn’t burst into flames walking into one lol. And I calibrate it to the girl, so I can tone it down or escalate fast. “Be like water”, as Bruce Lee says.

        Again you’re just showing how little experience you actually have with game here. “That race car driver just floors the gas the whole race!!” Sorry man, there are subtleties and nuances that are just over your head lol

        @immoral
        Breakdown comin up when I get off work. You already know where you fucked up (ie – you were toast before these txts, so going sexual definitely wasn’t going to turn it around) so consider this end result a lesson to remember in the future about escalating when the window is open (ESPECIALLY with married chicks lol) but I’ll break down exactly why what happened happened for the sake of learning/understanding, check back later!

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm immoralgables

        Many thanks Ya. I really hope that at some point I’ll overcome this aspect where I sabotage myself. It’s like I’m scared to take it to the next level sometimes or my brain goes full retard. It’s frustrating because I’m trying to improve but some innate part of me is prohibiting that.

        So many IOIs, her verbalizing and trying to stay over despite her friends protest. I’m ashamed of how bad I dropped the ball. Please let me know if at some point if you overcame that out of a desire to not fuck up so bad again.

        Even if it takes another year or two to get into that intermediate stage, then I’m completely content with making mistakes like these. Now my greatest fear is that I will keep doing it n

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 8:29 am Lemon

        “Sorry man, there are subtleties and nuances that are just over your head lol”

        why the lol at the end of this sentence? what was funny?

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 10:06 am YaReally

        The mental image in my head of Matt’s face when he sees I’m being condescending to him. 🙂

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 10:39 am Matthew King

        He’s a loller, that’s why. It’s like a Tourette’s tic. A lollble-head doll. And he is forever doing battle with “the mental image[s] in his head” of critics rather than the critics themselves, and occasionally that schizo-battle spills out over his keyboard.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am YaReally

        lol

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 12:28 am anon

        Gay

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 6:08 am Matthew King

        Lame

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 5:20 pm anon

        still gay

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      • on May 16, 2013 at 12:04 pm Matthew King

        Lame times infinity infinity infinity no comebacks

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      2 coherent texts from you, 1 jumbled text from her. At the jump, you even send out 3 texts, forcing her to offer a reply peppered with misplaced periods. That’s a bad ratio, dude.

      “this is my.new gone.” – That’s a telltale Freudian slip that ain’t in your favor. She meant “phone”, but it came out as “gone”. As in disappeared, vanished, and permanently eradicated. She didn’t even bother correcting her mistake, which means she don’t give a fuck because to her, you’re beta orbiter #4127.

      Your text game reveals your true feelings for this bi-broad. It’s obvious to me you’re investing way too much energy into her, which is evidenced by your long-winded texts which are structured and coherent. She, on the other hand, doesn’t give a fuck about any of that. She texts you when she feels like it, and gives you just enough to keep your dangling tongue salivating for her next sporadically-timed text treat. Don’t be Pavlov’s bitch. Laconic text game will get her on your dick.

      Finally, you already know what you did wrong but the important thing is what you do next — which is nothing. Radio silence on your part until she initiates contact. Even after her first feeler text, resist the urge to reply. You should be too busy fingerin’ some broad in a bathroom stall to fumble with the touchscreen keypad on your phone.

      Next her, and move on to better prospects.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm immoralgables

        @HSBWSF

        Thanks for your feedback. I understand what you mean on the ratios and I normally stick to it. I’m in this weird phase where I’m trying to get outside that comfort zone and see if I can do more via text. But all in all, I’d recommend what you said to someone else in a similar situ if they were at a certain stage. So yea, good rules of thumbs you provide and thanks for keeping me in check.

        **“this is my.new gone.”*

        She actually typed “fone”, that was a type-o on my end.

        **It’s obvious to me you’re investing way too much energy into her, which is evidenced by your long-winded texts which are structured and coherent.**

        Again, I can’t disagree with you and appreciate it. Your advice is the stuff I’d pass on to my friends just starting out. It’s solid and will help guys avoid anti-gaming. So cheers.

        **Finally, you already know what you did wrong but the important thing is what you do next — which is nothing.**

        Agreed, I already deleted it and cut my losses. Good stuff and thanks again for your replies. FYI this girl was in town until the end of the month and I doubt I’ll hear from her again.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 5:18 pm Mitch Cumstein

      I don’t care what the circumstances are, don’t ever text twice back-to-back.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 7:51 am Amanjaw Marcuntte

        Ippon.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 6:03 pm the latent sadist

      youre texting way too much. ask yourself if youre trying to build rapport through text because youre not as bold in person. pretty likely. been there.

      youre just too transparant. shes knows you wanna fuck her dude. Its too over the top, youre trying too hard to be cocky/alpha. ive been there!

      Every girl, everywhere at everytime understands why a man would be texting her. Its because hes interested in her sexually. YOur success will climb if you ditch the texting as a rapport building strategy/displaying cockiness…and just use it for logistics. You have alot to lose with each message you send…lowers mystery…increases your attainability…lowers the challange for her. All bad. Keep it short and do your work in person.

      In fact, what is more important than what you said, is when you responded. Like the timing of each message. Check out rooshs text guide in his book bang. Texting i think is only really useful when it builds suspense and shes dangling waiting for your text.

      I think there are situations with texting that can work great..sexually and stuff. but i think anything you can do through text you can in person…and better. Getting them out is half the battle anyway. Build some suspense…make her wonder. shell be that much more game to see you.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:32 pm immoralgables

        Hey man tha is for your Rey I appreciate it. I’m still trying to find that balance of conveying personality in text and getting sexual in text vs not blowing up the account. I went thru a phase of acting being minimal with my texts and it it didn’t work well for me.

        I def agree with what you said tho, just reading what I wrote makes me realize that the not being bold in person part will overshadow any cool or witty texts

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 10:37 pm YaReally

      @ImmoralGables

      “I’m pretty sure I messed up way before this text exchange by not making a move on HB7 Friday when I brought her and her friend back to my apt to blaze”

      Yep.

      There’s a window of opportunity that women open and need you to jump through because for them, opening that window is like “throwing themselves” at you. Like, in lady-world, being really forward triggers so much ASD etc. that for them, just standing near a guy can feel almost desperate and degrading…whereas in guy-world most of us don’t even notice little signals like that. So you get that classic situation where the girl is frustrated with the beta/AFC guy because he isn’t getting her “obvious” clues that she likes him and won’t make a move, but he’s frustrated because he’s waiting for a clear signal from her that he should make a move.

      Different women in different circumstances have different windows. A single chick in your social circle who has a crush on you might leave that window open for months or years. A bitchy chick at the bar who you end up hate-fucking might have only left that window open for a split second after a really solid Neg blew her bitch-shield apart and she hasn’t collected herself again. An innocent good-girl who’d never dream of sleeping with a guy on the first date, who’s brain is fried from all the emotions her date is pushing her through so that she gets carried away feeling like she’s on a magical romantic adventure might unexpectedly-to-herself open that window that night for that guy. A girl at the bar who’s turned on by one guy all night might have her window open but can be stolen by another guy who AMOGs the first guy and continues to give her more of the emotions she’s craving and HE can jump through the window the other guy opened. A bride-to-be on her bachelorette party might have the window open that night, after a few drinks, but slam it shut once she sobers up in the morning to never open it again.

      Your problem here is like that last example. This girl was married, and she had the window open that Friday night, but you didn’t jump through it, so once she woke up in the morning and the attraction haze had worn off, that window is slammed shut. That’s why she won’t flirt sexually with you anymore, she regrets even having your number because it’s a reminder to her that she let her ASD down and opened her window *AND* you rejected her by not jumping through it, when her social conditioning tells her that she’s a bad person (slut, etc.) for even opening that window in the first place. So now you trying to flirt or be aggressive with her just reminds her “you’re a sluuuuuut, you almost cheated on your husbaaaaand, you whooooore” and makes her feel squicky.

      “Let that be a note and a painful reminder, escalate when you have the chance.”

      Yep. This is the lesson to take from all of this. It might be embarrassing to admit all this but it’s really not a big deal as long as you learn from it. How do I know about the windows? Because I fucked it up a bunch of times myself, before I started being more aware of the dynamic and seizing opportunities.

      A lot of it is MAKING shit happen. I’d bet if you thought back to that Friday you could think of a dozen places you could have escalated to a makeout etc., even just like, when you’re all walking, stop your girl while her friend walks ahead a couple steps (so she can’t see you two, and your girl’s ASD isn’t triggered) and just pull her in for a kiss. Like, there were a dozen opportunities to pull that trigger, I’m sure.

      In fact it can even help to replay the night in your mind and think about all the stages you could’ve done something like that. “Ah shit, we were alone when her friend went to get her jacket, I could’ve just kissed her there…and my apartment has that stairwell, I could’ve let the friend go up first and made out at the bottom of it…and when I poured a drink I could’ve told my girl to come help me…” so that in the future when you’re bringing girls through all that, your brain is like “Hey dude, remember last time and what you should’ve done? Let’s do that this time!” lol

      This is part of why we plan out our Day 2’s and the logistics involved in them, so that a lot of that stuff is on auto-pilot. Like if the back entrance to my apartment building is dark and shadowy with lots of corners to fool around in, while the front entrance is bright and mood-killing with a security guard, I’m going to tell the girl the front entrance is under construction and bring her through the back entrance so I can escalate…she doesn’t care, she WANTS it all to happen, so she’s not going to argue. I could say “oh the front entrance has fish in it, so let’s use the back” and she’ll go “okay!!” lol Same with setting up my apartment…if I have a bed and a chair in my bedroom, the chair is going to have clothes and books on it. If I have a living room, the heat is going to be turned down so we can curl up under a blanket on the couch together. etc. etc.

      So think back through that Friday, all the way from the bar to your place, and how/where you could’ve escalated with your girl…it won’t change anything, but it will help you in the future. Half of learning game is going out and applying it, but the other half is being able to analyze your nights out, successes and failures, and tweak your game in the future.

      “Yes she was trying to convince her friend for both of them to spend the night.”

      lol. The window.

      “Yes there were plenty of IOIs.”

      Yep. ‘Cause at that time, the window was open. Despite her wedding ring, she decided “I want his dick tonight, I need to help create the opportunity for him to take the ball and run with it.” And she needs YOU to take the lead because it has to be “your fault” or feel like it “just happened”, to alleviate her ASD guilt she’ll have that’ll either create LMR that night or Buyer’s Remorse the next morning. With taken girls I’ll actually fully take responsibility from them by saying stuff like “I’m totally taking advantage of you, sorry…just kidding, I’m not sorry at all. ;)” when I first kiss her etc. Then she can tell herself “ya, he’s taking advantage of me!! I’m not a slut, it’s *HIS* fault this is happening!”

      It’s like a fat chick on a diet…she can’t BUY a piece of chocolate cake or she’ll feel guilty because she’s actively obtaining it. But if someone at her office brings in chocolate cake for everyone, she’ll eat it guilt-free because “well it’s not my fault, I didn’t BUY it!!” and her hamster can rationalize the whole situation in a way that she isn’t the “bad guy”.

      Personally, I find this whole concept fascinating, in terms of studying human psychology in general. And understanding this concept is a big part of why I can get “good girls” or “taken girls” or “innocent girls” or “Madonnas” to do things with me that their friends would never believe they were capable of doing, or that guys who don’t have experience with women would never believe a “classy” girl like them would do…’cause those girls normally *WOULDN’T* do those things. I just understand how to bring it out of them while other guys don’t.

      “Ok enough of that as I feel foolish writing it.”

      Lol it’s all good. Often you can learn more from a fuck-up than a success. 🙂 Don’t let the fact that you’ve been doing this for a while build an ego in your mind where you think “I shouldn’t be fucking up like this, I’m supposed to be better than this now”, ’cause that’ll just fuck with your head. Accept what happened, laugh it off, learn from it, and remember it for next time. 😉 I still fuck up lots lol

      “Yes we were talking about threesomes and picking up girls so its not like I was Mr Rogers”

      lol it sounds like you were doing great that Friday. You had her trying to convince her friend to spend the night so she could fuck you, so clearly you were doing something right. So take that from this, that your initial game was solid shit and you were dropping enough innuendo/kino/etc. to attract her. It’s not like you were talking about puppydogs and ice cream and she didn’t know you had a penis.

      “looking back, I got too excited over this girl and cared too much.”

      The important question to ask yourself about Friday night is: Why didn’t you escalate on her? Like real escalation, making out and showing her your bedroom etc.? Like exactly what went through your mind that you didn’t escalate?

      Was it that she had a ring on (your own moral/ethical hang-up or line you don’t want to cross)? Was it that she wasn’t actually into you (doesn’t sound like this)? Was it that her friend didn’t like you (and you needed to warm her up more)? Was it that her friend liked you but would judge her friend for being slutty (was she hesitant about the whole situation)? Did something happen at some point where the vibe completely shifted into awkwardness? Did you just get lazy/apathetic from the pot? Were you not sure if your girl was into you or not? Were the girls too distracted? Could you just not think of a way to isolate her from her friend long enough to escalate? Did you let them lead themselves? Did you lead too much? etc.

      Keep in mind that none of this is judging you as a person…like I don’t care if you have an ethical hang-up about her having a ring on. That’s cool, maybe you’re just not a guy who crosses that line. That’s fine, as long as it’s something you’re aware of. Or if you couldn’t think of a way to isolate your girl, that’s fine, it just means you need to look at your logistics and figure out places/ways you can isolate. Maybe her friend didn’t like you, that’s cool, it just means you need to work on befriending her friends and disarming them. Maybe the girls were too distracted and you fell “into the background” once they got to your place…that’s fine, it just means you have to learn to keep their attention and keep leading.

      So don’t be embarrassed by the reasons, it’s important to figure them out, for the sake of learning/growing.

      “I’d like feedback on the text exchange that went down since Sunday.”

      You were toast as of Friday night when they went home. Or at the latest by Saturday morning when she woke up and the attraction you were spiking wore off and the realization that she almost cheated kicked in.

      “The girl in question is bisexual, Latina HB7 with a wedding ring.”

      The wedding ring is what made all the difference here. Another girl who’s single might give you another shot after dropping the ball on Friday, but a taken chick is more likely to slam that window shut and glue it down.

      She knows that if she hangs around you, that window will open again and she might cheat, so her ASD won’t let her hang out with you…*ESPECIALLY* if you’re dropping innuendo and talking about her panties etc., because now you’re just compacting that “hey, if you agree to hang out with me while I’m saying these things, you’re being a slut”. So her ASD says “ya, we can’t hang around this guy at *ALL* or it’s trouble.”

      That’s why she tries to put you in the “we can only hang out as friends” frame…but because you went all sexually aggressive with her in these txts, she can’t fool her hamster into believing that you just want to be friends so that you can orchestrate another chance for it to “just happen”.

      To get her out again after dropping the ball on Friday, the best thing you could’ve done is to not be sexual with her at all and 100% stuck to the idea that she would be your wingman. Like nothing about “our kids would be” and talking about her panties and picturing her naked, etc. When you do that, her ASD says “this guy wants sex!!!! Stay away!!!” Then when you try to be like “I wasn’t thinking about sex, we can just hang”, her ASD goes “nooooo way, wolf in sheep’s clothing, I know you just want sex!!” and she can’t do it.

      So by being totally non-sexual and acting like you have no interest whatsoever in her except to come out as your wingman (and even then you should be prepared for her to bring her hubby out with her, as her way of proving to her ASD that she’s not a slut going to meet up with a guy behind her hubby’s back), you could possibly skirt around her ASD…enough to get her out and then in-person escalate that shit up. So basically you’re playing “I have a penis (Friday), just kidding what penis? (txting Saturday) Surprise, there it is again, smacking you in the face! (next time you hang out)” game lol

      So that’s all the shit going on in this situation. Ultimately you ran solid enough game to get her to open her window, but you didn’t jump through it, her ASD had to slam it shut, and then you tried to open it again with the wrong key. No biggie, it’s all logical. 🙂

      “**Her**: (snip) thanks for.being cool and love to the virgo x”

      This is her friend-zoning you. “Thanks for being cool” is basically “I feel guilty about what happened, thanks for not making this whole situation weird”.

      “**Me**: I am so glad that as geminis we can’t get married
      –
      **Me**: You know our kids would be crazy just like us.”

      This would be fine if she hadn’t slammed her window shut. Like if she was a single chick who wasn’t feeling guilty about almost actively trying to spend the night at your place.

      “**Her**: Haha u need a scorpio my love they ground us and put us in check lol”

      But here she friend-zones you again by saying “you need a”, disqualifying herself, and technically disqualifying you (since if geminis need scorpios and you’re a gemini, you’re disqualified from being her type). She’s basically trying to let you down easy. You’re not being enough of a dick for her to just stop txting you or getting mad at you, but she’s having none of it right now.

      That doesn’t mean you CAN’T turn it around, but it would be a Herculean effort to do it and would take a shitload of miracle alignments of the planets for the logistics and mood and everything to work out right AND you’d be actively fighting against her hamster who would have it’s guard up double-strength to prevent it from happening…so I would say drop this one entirely and don’t bother trying to turn it around because it’s just not worth your time. Just take the lessons you learned from this and move on.

      If she was like, a 10, or you guys had perfect chemistry, or you WANTED to take her from her husband and break up their marriage and seriously date her yourself, etc., there’s shit you could do…but if she’s a random, just move on.

      Also notice this repeating pattern:

      “**Me**: I am so glad that as geminis we can’t get married
      –
      **Me**: You know our kids would be crazy just like us.”

      You show intent to fuck her.

      “**Her**: Haha u need a scorpio my love they ground us and put us in check lol”

      She deflects you.

      “**Me**: Girl, keep fronting like that and I’m taking you off the VIP list for the Gemini bday pool party”

      You show no intent (you’re just joking aobut a pool party, VS her being off the VIP list for a private massage etc.).

      “**Her**: Hahahahaha! Im so. excited! What r u up to this week”

      She shows interest. So when you show an intent to fuck her, her ASD makes her deflect it, and when you play “Penis? What penis?” and tuck it away, her ASD doesn’t trigger so she can show IOIs again.

      This is a different dynamic than that Friday night, where her hamster was asleep and she was able to show interest when you showed intent and she had that window open…now that it’s shut, the dynamic has changed and you have to adapt/calibrate to that. Thus why my recommendation that the optimal play would’ve been to hide your penis and disqualify yourself from fucking her and invite her out purely as a platonic wingman, to skirt around her ASD, and then re-game in person.

      “**Me**: I’m going to see krewella on Thursday, come be my wing woman. If u can hang that is”

      Again, you’re showing no intent to fuck her. You’re disqualifying her and telling her to help you bang OTHER women.

      “**Her**: Sounds amazing what time?”

      So again her ASD isn’t triggered and she can show interest.

      “**Me**: I imagine the crazies thing you’ll do all week is j-walking without panties on”

      lol this came out of the blue pretty uncalibrated…unless you guys talked about her not wearing panties etc. on Friday and this is a call-back reference. The thing with turning it sexual over txts is that you want it to make the transition make some sense because she’s only got txts to go by…in person you can say nonsense and it goes over fine because she has your eye contact, body language, tone of voice, kino, etc. to read and what you say doesn’t really matter if it makes sense…but over txt all she can do is read your words so they should be solid. On top of that, until she starts playing along, you want to drop some innuendo and then back off, the same way you would with compliments.

      Like “You’re beautiful.” and nothing else has her going “ummm thanks?” and not knowing what to respond. But “You’re beautiful. Let’s hang out on Friday.” still gets the compliment there but she can latch onto the Friday thing to reply to you. So with innuendo, at the start I’ll “test” her with feelers like that, where if I said “For some reason I have this image of you naekd, playing guitar on stage like in Forrest Gump.” I would follow it up with “Of course your singing would be terrible and I would be leading the crowd in boo’ing you. ;)”, so that the innuendo is still in there, but I give her something else to reply to. Then if her reply doesn’t acknowledge the naked singing bit (like she just responds “you’re terrible, you WOULD boo me!! lol”, I know she’s not warmed up enough to sexually flirt yet, but if her reply is like “ya I bet you’d love me naked on a stage!”, now we can get into some back-and-forth (“of course, I’ve already folded my dollar-bills to stuff in your g-string ;)”).

      So that’s how to calibrate that stuff. But that all said, in *THIS* particular situation where her window has shut because she’s married and you fucked up already, her ASD likely wouldn’t play along and let things get sexual so it would be a no-go in general in this situation. I’m just explaining it for your future txting with girls that haven’t got their ASD firing off like a fire alarm. 🙂

      “**Her**: Not.true and gross lol u clearly gemini my life is much more.interesting than that.”

      The panties thing showed sexual intent, so again her ASD triggers and she has to deflect it. So that’s a consistent pattern that’s going on here. You advance, her ASD triggers and she retreats. You retreat, her ASD doesn’t trigger and she advances.

      “**Me**:For some reason I have this image of you naked, playing guitar on stage like in Forrest Gump”

      You show sexual intent…so what’s going to happen?

      “**Her**: Stop picturing me naked is a conflcit of interest.”

      Her ASD triggers and she has to retreat. And because you’ve done this a few times without noticing the pattern, her ASD gets louder and louder and now she has to try AGAIN to set the friend-zone frame with:

      “**Her**: We can be eachothers wingmen only if we keep it gemini friendship style hahahs.”

      That window is sealed up tight lol This is why I say you might as well just leave this one alone and move on. Even with this friend-zone reframe, she’ll probably still flake on you and it’ll be hard to get her to meet up again, because her hamster is just in overdrive with regards to you, especially after the “too much intent” texting you did this day.

      You can probably keep txting her and keep getting responses from her, but you’re in kind of a stale-mate so you’re just sort of wasting your time. If by fluke you ran into her at the bar again in the future, she’d be more on-guard than before, but you might be able to attract her again…but it’s really unlikely that you’ll get her to voluntarily meet up with you, especially not one-on-one, at this point.

      Consider this one over. 🙂

      “**Me**: Sorry to disappoint but I wasn’t thinking about sex. U seem lke u might be a decent wingwoman”

      Too late for this, you’ve shown enough intent that her ASD will always know you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing. So this just comes off incongruent and suspicious now. Again if you had instead hidden your penis in these txts, something like this would be more congruent, and you might be able to fool her ASD into letting her meet up, but the damage is done.

      “We talked a lot Friday about her being a wingwoman and us seducing chicks to that’s where her last text came from.”

      Another way to get her to fuck you that night would be to seduce a girl with her and lead her into a 3-some (sometimes they’re up for it with their BFF friend that’s with them, sometimes it’s too weird for them and you need a random girl)…because then you’re offering more than her hubby can offer. If all you’re offering is one on one sex, and she gets enough of that from her hubby, you’re not bringing anything to the table that’ll make her tell her hamster to shut up and make her force her window back open again. But if you were like, a famous rockstar she’s had a crush on, only in town for one night, and you were going to fly her to your mansion and do crazy sexual things with her that her husband would never do, all consequence and guilt-free, she could ignore her hamster’s complaints because she’d be getting so much value from it.

      This is part of why married/taken girls come back to me for repeat business. I don’t offer them anything Providerish, I don’t pay for anything, I don’t give them money, I don’t have a car so they have to drive to my place, I’m probably not even as good looking as some of their significant others…*BUT*, I offer them a sexual fantasy playground that they can’t get from their significant others. We’ll do fucked up kinky shit, 50 Shades of Grey style, I’ll try to arrange a 3-some, I’ll put them through emotional rollercoasters as we fuck, I’ll even light candles and put on super romantic music and fuck them slow and sensual if that’s what they’re into, and I make them feel sexy the way their stale relationships don’t (so they’ll buy lingerie/costumes/etc. to wear over to my place, because they love that when I open my door I give them a slow sexual eye-fuck from head to toe and back up again the way their significant others did when they first dated but stopped down after a few years together).

      So I bring sexual value to the table, and they can convince their hamsters to rationalize it as “sure I shouldn’t be doing this, and I wouldn’t with any other guy, but he makes me feel things my guy no longer does and I need to feel that!” And because I don’t try to get them to break it off with their guy etc., and even give her tips on how to get him to fuck her better, all she gets from me is value and she’ll come back to me.

      So with your girl, the optimal play would’ve probably been “I have a penis (Friday), just kidding what penis? (txting Saturday) Let’s wingman eachother and find you a girl! (next time you hang out) Surprise, I have a penis again, and it’s smacking you and this other girl in the face! (find a girl together that night and seduce her together, tell her she can fuck the girl at your apartment then flirt with her girl too and join in with them and have a 3-some)”. At that point you would have the lay and either never see her again but leave her with the best memory/fantasy of her life, or she would become a repeat customer because you’re offering her sexual value her hubby probably can’t give her.

      “She also plays music which is where my Forrest Gump text came from although reading it on screen makes me realize it was not nearly as smooth as I thought.”

      lol it definitely wasn’t smooth…again, with that stuff try to relate it to the actual conversation and/or call-back humor you know she’ll remember. BUT, you were doomed at that point anyway, so it didn’t really matter…just for the future, think these out a bit more. I’ll often reword a txt a bunch of times before I finally send it. You don’t have to respond instantly…it’s worth the wait if the txt is awesome.

      “I failed in not escalating properly Friday”

      Yep, but at least you’re aware that this is where you went wrong, and not like, the Forrest Gump txt. So that’s something to be proud of, that you could even spot where your fuckup was. Once you know where you went wrong, you can work on fixing it in the future. We’re students of the game for life. 🙂

      “it’s still coming from a mindset of unchartered territory”

      lol even if you had an orgy with 5 girls every night, one day you’d have an opportunity for an orgy with 6 girls and fuck it up because it was uncharted territory. 🙂 So don’t beat yourself up.

      “and me not pushing myself”

      This, in relation to Friday night, is probably your main issue. Just not believing that you could escalate that situation despite all the (now blatant in hindsight) signs that you probably could have. It’s okay, this is scary shit at first. I can’t even count the number of times I did something, expecting to get slapped, then was shocked to find it completely worked better than I could have expected, and then dropped the ball because I panicked at it working and didn’t know what to do because it was uncharted territory lol SO many times…but I learned from each reference experience. 🙂

      “but I’m still feelng like the same chump who made similar mistakes in August and October at similar social events. I’m getting to maybe mile 5, then 10, then 20 but still don’t think I can finish the marathon.”

      lol don’t sweat it. The biggest thing comes down to analyzing your night/sarge and figuring out where you could have done better…and asking for advice from more experienced guys when you aren’t sure what you could’ve done. But every mistake takes fucking up a few times before your brain finally stops making that mistake, so this is a slow process. Don’t stress if other guys have gotten success faster than you…Tyler went out for like 2 years straight before even getting laid.

      This is part of why having a good wingman can help, where you can both analyze eachother’s game and help spot eachother’s sticking points and figure out how to work on them etc.

      “But reading YaReally’s texts on sexualizing things fast causes me to apply the idea (which is a great idea) in a miscalibrated way. Either that or again, I’m no where smooth as I think I am.”

      lol it’s good to experiment with it. There was a time where I txted as asexual and friend-zoney as every other dude, and I had to actively work on learning to turn things sexual, and I fucked up a bunch along the way saying uncalibrated unsmooth shit too. In this particular situation, you were doomed from the start, she wasn’t going to play ball with you getting sexual, and your innuendo etc. was dropped out of the blue and left hanging for her to respond to vs riffing off the conversation or in-jokes and giving her other stuff to respond to until she takes the bait and plays along with your sexual stuff.

      So you had the right idea, but wrong circumstance to apply it and applied it in a bit of an off way. No biggie, there are plenty more girls! 🙂 This is part of why I recommend grabbing a free online dating account and messaging a shit-ton of girls, doesn’t matter what they look like, and practice turning the conversations sexual off whatever their response to you is…like trying to get sexual as fast as possible. You’ll creep a bunch of them out, but who cares, they’re just online chicks, and you can grind out a lot of experience this way that you can translate into your txt flirting and then into your real life flirting.

      “Again, all criticism and feedback is appreciated as my ego is fine with taking a beating if the future outcome is I don’t keep dropping the ball.”

      lol that’s the attitude to have. Your ego is what’s telling you “wtf, how am I making the same mistakes as back in August?! I should be better at this by now!!” but it’s just trying to fuck with you. The reality is that if you’ve had 20 situations where bisexual married girls are begging their friend to stay overnight at your place, sure, you can beat yourself up for dropping the ball…but if you haven’t run into that situation a bunch, then fuck it, you’re still learning and that’s cool. You might not be in this situation again for like a year, and then you might drop the ball again because it’s been so long since your last reference experience with it lol and that’s alright too. It’s the same as lifting weights…if you lift daily it gets easier. If you only lift that weight in that way a couple times a year, it’s going to be hard. 🙂

      Anyway, hope this helps ya! Good luck, and props for giving it a go and pushing your comfort zone! Hit me up with any questions if something doesn’t make sense to you…like I say, once you understand the dynamics going on because of her ring and that window and ASD etc., this is all really simple and logical and you just go “oh, whoops, ya, of course that happened, because I did Such and Such! My bad lol” 🙂

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 10:45 am Matthew King

        That was an excellent exposition. Credit where it’s due.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm immoralgables

        YR:

        First of all thanks for the well-written and thought out analysis. I also appreciate how you put yourself in my shoes and empathized with my mistakes and situ as it makes it a lot easier to absorb on my end. I don’t feel like SUCH an idiot now lol

        Let me just answer some of the questions in you posed in your comment:

        **Why didn’t you escalate on her? Like real escalation, making out and showing her your bedroom etc.? Like exactly what went through your mind that you didn’t escalate?*

        I thought that it would just happen later, looking back. Or that the opportunity to escalate would present itself. I was also worried about her buzz-kill friend so I was trying to pay her attention.

        **Was it that she had a ring on (your own moral/ethical hang-up or line you don’t want to cross)?**

        Absolutely not. It made the whole thing more fun. It was one of my few recent glimpses into the Secret Society and based on your past advice, I made sure quick to paint myself as nonjudgmental and fun. I even dropped Riker’s 3 rules.

        **Was it that her friend didn’t like you (and you needed to warm her up more)?**

        Her friend through me off a bit since she was trying to leave and made me feel like I wasn’t as liked. To counter this, during our blaze sesh, I texted HB7 “Your friend Sarita isn’t having fun ;(” . HB7 reacted immediately and tried to get her friend to snap out of it, told her friend to put her phone in her purse and really tried to diffuse her friend. Looking back, this was a great tactic.

        Even later when we did a venue change and I brought my roommate to be the 4th man. I texted him to distract the friend (“grenade”) while I could work more game on HB7. Unfortunately, other than flat-out talking about sex and our desires and running kino, I didn’t make a move on HB7. I did tell her that “If you keep looking at me, I’m going to have to kiss you” and looking back she gave me this opening to do so. But her friend was right next to her and it kind of bugged me out. Next time I should bounce HB7 to the bar OR make a move in one of the many scenarios you describe in your comment.

        **Was it that her friend liked you but would judge her friend for being slutty (was she hesitant about the whole situation)? **

        No, the friend seemed like her best friend type that the two get in trouble with together. I didn’t get a judgmental vibe from the friend.

        **Did something happen at some point where the vibe completely shifted into awkwardness? Did you just get lazy/apathetic from the pot?**

        Yes, I noticed the pot killed my aggressive state and I fought to snap out of it. Like really fought because it’s happened to me before. I’d say the pot took me off by about a good 1/3 of my aggressive original state but I recovered. I should focus on this more.

        **Could you just not think of a way to isolate her from her friend long enough to escalate? **

        This and a lot of it. Next time I’ll try your recommendations. Also, when HB7 was verbally saying how she wanted to stay over. She even told me one on one “I want to go back to your place and see what happens but my friend wants to leave.” She was giving me the “blueprint” to remedy the situ. I was just unprepared. I spoke to a buddy of mine and he recommended laying it out on the table by telling her I’m down with that but HB7 needs to diffuse her friend or straight up let the friend leave alone.

        Looking back, I could have also called out the situation with what it is and joked with the friend by saying how I’d cook HB7 breakfast in the morning and make sure she makes it home by curfew Saturday night ;o) (Sigh)

        **Did you let them lead themselves? Did you lead too much? etc.**

        This time around (and because of past mistakes), I led solidly. From the venue change back to my place (you might be proud to know that I walked out with each girl on one of my arms), and also from my place to the bar. But perhaps, there are areas I could have led more.

        **Maybe the girls were too distracted and you fell “into the background” once they got to your place…that’s fine, it just means you have to learn to keep their attention and keep leading.**

        i know exactly what you mean here but that didn’t happen as my roommate and I kept the girls occupied with stories, videos, music at my place. I hate it when that happens though.

        Everything else you said makes complete sense. I think the crux of my issue is the scariness of it all, as you described. This girl was more advanced with me. She is the type to go out and find women to fuck and her and I joked how I’d steal girls away. She resembled the lesbo chick you met once who was aggressive with girls and who could get away. It was a glimpse into the Secret Society and I fumbled the ball.

        Thanks so much for understanding and I feel a fuckton better knowing that I’m not the only one. I had my hand on the gun but was too scared to pull the trigger.

        You have been a tremendous help and I thank you for your time on this. Thanks again.

        -IG

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 pm Ronin

        @YaReally: I screwed up on that ‘window’ a few times, too.

        Just like you said, it didn’t really seem like much. They just seemed +/- nicer-than-average.

        How do I ~’know’ I screwed up?

        -Because after awhile, they Abruptly-Stop being nicer-than-average, and start throwing little hissy-fits, and acting really really bratty for what seems to be Absolutely No Reason.

        If you hadn’t articulated it in that way, esp. the:

        ‘because for them, opening that window is like “throwing themselves” at you’

        , I’m not sure I would have thought about it quite the same.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm YaReally

        “Because after awhile, they Abruptly-Stop being nicer-than-average, and start throwing little hissy-fits, and acting really really bratty for what seems to be Absolutely No Reason.”

        lol this is exactly it. They completely 180 and when you’re new you’re like “wtf just happened here???” When you’ve missed enough windows you realize”ohhhh…THAT’S why she’s so mad!” and start paying more attention.

        I think it’s funny that often the window will be sealed shut for something as simple as “not wanting to fuck her that night”. It happens with fuckbuddies too. I stress to guys getting into fuckbuddy harem management that part of being FBs is that you understand that when she txts you to hook up, you either hook up or have a good excuse not to…you don’t just ignore her txt or play games because part of the FB deal to her is that when she’s “begging” for your cock (with a “hey what’s up?” txt at 2am), YOU understand that she’s throwing herself out there and making herself vulnerable going against her ASD, and you respond appropriately (reward her for overcoming her programming, or have a good excuse)

        Shoot her down playing aloof/disinterested games enough times and she’ll take it personal, get insulted & pissed and turn hostile on you and, depending on how cocky she is and how much of a diss she takes it as when a guy turns down her pussy, she may seal the door shut.

        I learned this by turning down enough girls (accidentally and on purpose) to run into the situation over and over, of course lol most of those girls I could proooooobably turn back around with enough time for them to forgive & forget the burn but I can think of two specific ones who will hold a grudge to their grave (very hot cocky girls who NEVER get refused what they want from a man and I bitched them out hard for trying to come over unannounced after I already said “not tonight” and on top of it they were “slumming it” with me because I was uglier and less wealthy etc than the guys they were used to, but too sexually attractive to them (cause of game) turn down, so the insult was compounded by my low status lol).

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  12. on May 14, 2013 at 4:20 pm Anonymous

    this dude must have a helluva game…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324023/The-moment-proud-father-John-Boehner-watched-daughter-say-I-Do-dreadlocked-Jamaican-born-love.html?ICO=most_read_module

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 5:06 pm corvinus

      To get a piece of aging 35 year old snatch? Not really.

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 5:16 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        “But she white, brah!”

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      • on May 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm Anonymous

        dude she’s the daughter of the speaker of the house. he’s a construction worker with rasta and a $300 apartment in Florida. he’s punching way above his weight.

        probably she has huge daddy issues but still, the guy must know what the fuck he’s doing.

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      • on May 15, 2013 at 10:56 am Matthew King

        In another age, the dude would have been bought off or quietly murdered, the daughter sequestered.

        In our age, they are celebrated.

        Meanwhile the family of the man second in line to the presidency has been happily miscegenated and the Speaker stands idly by like a cuckold. It doesn’t matter what titles you give these eunuchs, their simpering faggotry speaks volumes. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”

        Time to shutter the GOP.

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  13. on May 14, 2013 at 4:56 pm Libertardian

    Listen up, assholes: time to cough up more money.

    “Angelina Jolie can afford to save her own life; many women can’t”

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-angelina-jolie-cost-20130514,0,4039132.story

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  14. on May 14, 2013 at 5:01 pm tz2026

    Find a speed dating where the women rotate faster than the hamster wheel

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  15. on May 14, 2013 at 5:08 pm Libertardian

    “Give me five minutes to talk away my ugly face, and I can bed the Queen of France.”

    One of Robert Greene’s books has a quote by a woman who met both Gladstone and Disraeli. Roughly: “After talking to Gladstone, I thought he was the smartest man in England. After talking to Disraeli, I thought I was the smartest woman in England.”

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  16. on May 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm Free Agent

    Can we get some examples of statement-statement questions?

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  17. on May 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm gunslingergregi

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324142/Heroic-wife-stabs-home-invader-death-kitchen-knife-Crossfit-gym-owner-fatally-knifes-intruder-tries-strangle-husband-bursting-Mothers-Day.html?ICO=most_read_module

    here she comes to save the day yay!!!!

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  18. on May 14, 2013 at 5:26 pm gunslingergregi

    hurt myself fucking yesterday i’m on the injured list
    he he he

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  19. on May 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm YaReally

    People laugh at shit like “The Cube” these days because it seems cheesy and it’s easy to make fun of the old PUA tech.

    But that shit was DEADLY. Like, you have to have legit run it on a few girls to understand…it hit girls on all the levels they want to be hit and it hit DEEP. I got a couple stalkers out of it and literally just stopped using it because it creeped me out too much how they’d respond (to them the whole thing was an emotional mind-fuck, but to me I was just bullshitting, so I felt bad “duping” them…I have no idea how psychics etc can sleep at night ripping people off that way).

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 6:16 am Matthew King

      Pffft. The Cube is so 2004. I’ve been running the Hypercube on bitches since 09. That’s like The Cube cubed, bro.

      [CH: seriously trippin here]

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  20. on May 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm Johnycomelately

    Given virtually no other female animal experiences menopause and infertility and males have continued fertility until they die, maybe the Darwinian gods of nature never intended for men to fuck frumpy post menopause women?

    Maybe men are undertaking a Herculean effort and taking one for the team by plugging these harpies just to keep the boat of society steady.

    Isn’t a fertile man fucking an infertile woman just another version of onanism?
    ED is their punishment for idolatry and waging war against the gods of natural selection.

    Deductively, an infertile woman screwing with a fertile man should be a crime against nature.

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    • on May 14, 2013 at 10:14 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Before modern medicine a lot of women died in childbirth, and pregnancy occurred a lot more often. I would think many women didn’t even reach menopause so that problem hardly arose (heh).

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    • on May 15, 2013 at 3:53 am nobodyreadsthisgetbent@hotmail.com

      you’d think, but in many traditional societies, women who were no longer fertile could engage with relative freedom in sexual shenanigans. Widows were a good example of this-The Taming of the Shrew has a character who gives up on wooing the shrew’s sister and marries a widow- they were regarded then in a similar way to cougars now.
      Along with prostitution, this behavior relieves a certain amount of tension, both among older women, who have had children but couldn’t now, and men whose prospects for partners/marriage are not good otherwise.

      Agreed, that’s assuming the woman is attractive, but if the “Darwinian gods” don’t want fertile men to sleep with menopausal women, why is anal and oral gratification, masturbation, contraception so widespread? Simple: if sex is more freely engaged in, without marriage or commitment, it becomes about enjoyment of the sex, not about reproduction. As i think Jefferson recommended in his famous letter, choosing an older woman for a mistress makes more sense if you want sex, not marriage.

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  21. on May 14, 2013 at 6:21 pm John Rambo

    Sinful Robot, the company which is developing the virtual reality sex program, is currently hiring.

    http://www.sinfulrobot.com/careers.html

    They are looking for the following positions:
    3D Environment Artist
    Senior 3D Environment Artist
    3D Character Artist
    Senior 3D Character Artist
    Character Animator
    Senior Character Animator
    3D Programmer
    Senior 3D Programmer

    Here’s your chance, guys, to do something which will make a difference in the world. The sooner VR sex can be created and released to the public, the sooner men can be freed from the tyranny of real life human women.

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  22. on May 14, 2013 at 7:30 pm Science Vindicates Game… Again « PUA Central

    […] Science Vindicates Game… Again […]

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  23. on May 15, 2013 at 2:50 am anotheronetakesthepill

    Heartiste take a look at this (translated by Google):

    aloof guy, who confessed not being loyal in previous relationships, not talkative, etc. keeps being misterious. Girl likes him and ask for advice

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fblogg%2Ffragainsidan%2F2013%2F05%2F13%2F%25E2%2580%259Djag-haller-tillbaka-mina-kanslor-for-honom%25E2%2580%259D%2F

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  24. on May 15, 2013 at 4:43 am tang3zang

    “Don’t whore yourself out emotionally”

    Women get off on that

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  25. on May 15, 2013 at 8:24 am Tilikum

    another point. ive noticed that the wimmins will actively NOT converse about issues that give them bad emotions if they are really into you. test it if you want, but if she never gets too real, she is trying to keep you and her engaged.

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  26. on May 15, 2013 at 8:49 am dannyfrom504

    you MUST escalate in 2 minutes. if not, you’ll land in the friend zone. if you aren’t getting IOI’s within 4 miniutes…….bail.

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  27. on May 15, 2013 at 9:18 am Wrecked 'Em

    Society’s problem is that it’s been goaded into treating all women as if they are as rational as the small minority of women who are the equals of men.

    And before the lavender ladies screech that “all women are capable of being rational,” I would pretort that, “All men are capable of crying… but it’s not their go-to behavior.”

    Feminism’s problem is that every day another wave of science laps up against their sand castle of lies.

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  28. on May 15, 2013 at 9:23 am chris

    Oh sweet irony…

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/10/Flashback-2009-auditing-political-enemies

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  29. on May 15, 2013 at 9:58 am anonymous

    This is like Ali G doing game.

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  30. on May 16, 2013 at 4:45 pm George

    Some people might think that this is contrary to negging game. It is not. Of course a compliment to an average girl is better than saying nothing.

    Blog:
    Nicolas Guéguen has had a prolific scientific career. From bust size and hitchhiking to bust size and courtship solicitation, his topics are…well, not very wide-ranging. But they’re important questions that need to be asked. Here, he tackles a particularly difficult topic (albeit one unrelated to bust size): does complimenting a woman really make her more likely to accept a date request? The answer might surprise you (but probably won’t).

    Compliments and receptivity to a courtship request: a field experiment.

    “160 young women were solicited in the street to have a drink with a young male confederate. In the ingratiation condition, the solicitor complimented the woman regarding her physical appearance before making the request, while in the no-compliment condition, the confederate asked his request directly.

    Results showed that complimenting was associated with greater compliance to the request.”
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/?p=131

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  31. on May 21, 2013 at 11:01 pm Lightning Round – 2013/05/22 | Free Northerner

    […] Science: Build comfort by talking about her. […]

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