soul of a woman was created below…
It’s always helpful to have occasional reminders of the depraved, demonic nature of women’s sexuality, as demonstrated by the gleeful abandon with which the most desirable women hurl themselves at arrogant, cocky assholes.
There is no more expedient way to coax a woman to belie her own words than to entice her with the exact opposite of the kind of man she claims to desire.
Horse blinder status: REMOVED.
Some commenters are pointing out that the dude is good-looking. They’re missing the point. Evidence already exists that average looking men can clean up with confident asshole game. If anything, this post serves to belie the claims by women that assholes, however good-looking, don’t get the time of day from them. But we know better.
just shoot me. last girl is cute according to pic
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Looks matter to a degree, but like this article says, it can be made up with confidence and a little arrogance. If you’re not good looking, then the key is knowing you want to overcome your shyness or whatever to get it. I had a lot of trouble in this arena. I’ve found Ross Jeffries stuff to be really helpful in this arena. He’s a lot different check him out on youtube under Ross Jeffries beyond dating
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“My name is George. I’m unemployed and live with my parents.”
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“If every instinct you ever had was wrong, do the opposite.”
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RAPE
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CH, is that you? A fake account at some British version of match.com?
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What website is this from? Seriously, girls on OKCupid aren’t usually that hot.
I’m so glad I’m moving out of San Francisco tomorrow.
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Haha! This is some certified A-class material. “A” as in “Asshole”.
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lzozozlzlzz niceez!!!!
Ultimately, the Manosphere marches towards one, exalted Goal:
The Great Books for Men
All our troubles could be solved
And the decline opposed and halted
were we only to return
to the MORAL CODES OF HONOR
set forth by our FATHERS
by MOSES, HOMER, ACHILLES, ODYSSSUES, SOCRATES, and JESUS.
Were our courts and churches and universities
infused with the SPIRIT OF
MOSES, HOMER, ACHILLES, ODYSSSUES, SOCRATES, and JESUS
then the family would be exalted once again
alongside civilization
and all that is good.
When the CHURCHIANS stop raging against HOMER, MOSES, AND JESUS
And the PUAs pick up HOMER, MOSES, and JESUS instead of skanky butcocked skankz
Then shall the renaissance dawn
And then shall we join our
NOBLE FATHERS
in HONORING THAT WHICH WAS CREATED
OF, BY, AND FOR MEN
THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS
so that MEN could guide and exalt society
manifest civilization
and render JUST AND MORAL IDEALS
REAL.
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LOTSA PEOPLE TALKIN
FEW OF DEM KNOW
THE SOUL OF A WOMAN WAS CREATED BELOW!!!!
lozzoozoozoozzo omg zlzoozozozozoz
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I don’t know, but I been told
A big-legged woman ain’t got no soul.
A BIG LEGGED WOMAN (A FAT FIAT FEMINSISTZ) AIN’T GOT NO SOUL
zlozozozoz
I don’t know, but I been told
A big-legged woman ain’t got no soul.
lzozozozozozozozozozoz
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NO WOENDER TW WONDER THE LEFTSISTZ DESTROYEED THE DIGIRITTIAL RIGHST AMANAGEMENT AND SO WE COULD NO LONGER HAVE ANY GOOD MUSSICZ Lzlzozlzozozozzozozo AND NOW WE HAVE JUSTIN BIEBER INSTED OF LED SZEPLLIN AEORROMTH ROLING STEONEZ
LED ZEPEPINZ GRETA BOOSK FOR MEENZ WISOSODM Zlzzlzozoz
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Page lays out a monster solo on D&C! Great song.
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For what it is worth,
I used to play bass in a band.
Dazed&Confused was one my favorite songs.
that and “Killing in the name” by Rage against the machine
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yes, and as well were our libraries and dvd stores and cable channels infused with the spirit of Naruto, Bleach ,One Piece, Fairy Tail, Death Note ,Hunter x Hunter, Skip Beat or Magi and etc , in honoring that which was created of,by and for men the great mangas and classics too, all our troubles when we don’t have somthing to do some minutes could be solved with this graphic novels of entertainment
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Firm believer in Game and the teachings of CH on the subject matter, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t ask if this example was an outlier rather than the norm?
[CH: It’s what I call a revelatory outlier, as distinct from a dismissible outlier. Revelatory outliers expose curves of shifted probabilities, in this case exposing the fact that women are shifted to the right in terms of their lust for overconfident men with asshole complexes.]
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These girls look like low self-esteemers who are below avg. in looks. Far cry from the hottest of girls.
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Good looking guy sends cocky message to good looking girl. She responds well. Film at 11.
[CH: You must be incredibly ugly to think this guy qualifies as “good-looking”. He’s a bit better than average.]
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It’s not his looks – I know this from experience. I’m good looking and tall – didn’t get laid till I was 20. Recently fucked a stripper with a 8.5 bod. CH is completely right about this nightmare world.
If this doesn’t kill your soul a bit, you miss the point. And no, 22 year old strippers don’t make up for it.
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This guy is right on the money as well.
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The formula here is: asshole + looks = the lay.
[CH: No. The guy in the avatar doesn’t have the looks, as trolls implicitly define it. He’s average. He’s not Clooney or Gosling.]
I’m not sure asshole works without looks
[Sure it does. Chicks dig the asshole *because* he’s an asshole, not despite his assholery. We’ve been through this. Check the archives.]
(or maybe social standing, but some other truly high value). Maybe someone has thoughts on that? Obviously, getting in physical shape as part of Manosphere self-improvement is important. I think the more good-looking a man is, the more incentive he has to be an asshole.
[You could also argue the handsomer the man, the *less* incentive he has to be an asshole.]
I don’t suppose that pure asshole triggers are enough by themselves. If anyone has thoughts on the optimal refinement and limits of asshole game to overwhelm all other hamster considerations, I’d like to hear it. I think an ugly asshole is just a creep, as I understand things now.
[Depends how ugly. Most men will benefit from amping their asshole. But if a man looks like quasimodo, nothing much will help him except fame. cf, Steve Buscemi.]
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short ugly guy who
plays assholes in movies
lands sports illustrated swimsuitissue super model
http://www.purepeople.com/media/angie-everhart-et-joe-pesci-en-2008_m199292
ergo hearitsites is again vanquished
now go back intot you r single mom’s baseementz
and video gamez
with yoru head in da sand
instead of in da gina lzlzlzozoz
QED
lzzoz
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Thanks, CH. Looks like there are offended people in my future. I have training to do. lol
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Wow, so much for the idea that any movie star can get high class poon just by virtue of whatever measure of fame he has. Not an A list actor on his best day, he has still kind of amped up his career game with Boardwalk Empire; yet google around to see who he’s dating. Quasimodo ends up with Quasimodesse. Yerk.
[CH: We’re talking about what kinds of women Buscemi COULD get if he were so inclined. Hugh Jackman is with a blob, but there’s no doubt he could clean up with hotter babes with a snap of his fingers. Buscemi, likewise, has a lot of hot female fnas who would hop on his gnarled cock in an instant if he were to say hi to them from across a crowded bar.]
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I’ve always been a proponent of the C.L.A.M.P.S. theory of attraction. That is to say that women are attracted to a man’s Charisma, Looks, Attitude, Money, Power, and Status.
I bring this up because I disagree specifically with your assertion that it’s an ugly asshole that’s a creep. It’s an uncharismatic asshole (regardless of looks) who’s a creep. Essentially it’s the funny part of ‘cocky-funny’.
Looks definitely do matter, and I tend to disagree with our esteemed host as to the degree of importance one should attach to them. This guy’s maybe a 7/10. He’s on the right hand side of the bell curve, but not far enaough from the middle to use his looks as a crutch. But he’s got the attitude, and the charisma to sell it.
With no way of evaluating money/power/status, all the girls see is a guy who’s above average in all three areas they CAN evaluate, and just like that… attraction.
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@Anon, I defer to your refinement from (physically) ugly to (socially ugly?) uncharismatic. I’m thinking extreme good looks would innoculate the man from being uncharismatic (socially ugly) if he wasn’t trying hard to be the opposite of funny per cocky-funny. The addition of Charisma to LAMPS I can see, but I think the physical represented by (A)thleticism is better than (A)ttitude which is sorta covered by Charisma directly, and indirectly as pragmatically foundational for Power and Status. Maybe I could be pursuaded with the right argument. Good comment, @Anon.
LAMPS (as I’ve seen it): https://donalgraeme.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/the-5-vectors-of-female-attraction-a-restoration
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inb4 100-posts-long debate on his use of emoticons
[CH: lol. I suppose if you’re gonna go the Full Asshole, a few cheeky emoticons won’t hurt you. They’ll likely be interpreted in context as assholicons.]
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Heartiste, how did you hack my facebook posts?
You missed the ones about rape however.
Rape!
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This guy is an inspiration.
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Found 2/3 on a popular dating site,
The last one’s profile starts with “if you’re going to message me, please use correct grammar, that means using the correct forms of your and you’re.
please no guys who are just down for the get down. been there, done that, and over it!”
Oh the Irony.
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The second one is about a 6, the last one is a 7.5 (she lists her profession as dancer which is hot).
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When a girl says “been there, done that” you can bet pretty confidently that she’s slutty
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Yupp, and a slew of pictures with a wide variety of guys, making an error that male preselection matters (in fact it’s the opposite, it works against chastity). FWIT she’s a New Yorker.
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looolozolzo
““if you’re going to message me, please use correct grammar”
dat is because i lzozoozozlozozozoed on her face!!!!!!
“that means using the correct forms of your and you’re.”
dat is becase i said “i’ll lick you’re gina if you suckca my lostsas cockas!”
“please no guys who are just down for the get down.”
dat sis bevacuase i was just tehrez for the get downzz!!!
“been there, done that, and over it!”
lozozoz dat is becausez i pumped and uddpmedz her
got her when she was young hot and tight
now a beta can cuddle her through da nigtz!
lzozoloolzlzz
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dat is becase i said “i’ll lick you’re gina if you suckca my lostsas cockas!”
”””””””’
you startin to slip
don’t lick those gina’s
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Master this laugh with asshole game= gold
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James Cameron stated that, when he made True Lies, the only person he wanted to play Arnold Schwartzenegger’s boss was Charlton Heston (who did play him). Why? Because Heston was the only person that Cameron thought could intimidate Arnold on screen.
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Hmmm Learned something new.
Rape!!! it’s what’s for Breakfast,brunch,lunch,dinner,desert and taco bell forth meal.
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Yes, true story 🙂 He was 45 years old when “Apes” was filmed and Nova was 22 years younger than him (awesomeness).
Supposedly Heston was the influence for Spottswoode, the leader of “Team America: World Police.” I don’t care if he passed away. His ghost could still kick the shit out of Clooney and Baldwin and MAAATTT DAAAMON, those proud members of the Film Actors Guild (FAG).
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There is a reason why a super alpha like Ted Nugent always said Heston was his president (yeah, NRA aside). Heston was even more of an Alpha if you watch most of his movies.
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Heston in Planet of the Apes is true Alpha. The first couple of scenes are great, with his crewmates ragging on him for his selfish Alpha qualities. He never loses frame in the movie, is always Alpha. Even when he is the only man standing against the apes, he remains convinced he is better than them.
Planet of the Apes was directed by Frankiln Schaffner, who was the THE director for Alpha Males. George C Scott in Patton, Lust for Glory is one of his.
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that was me in the car when I was driving this chick and her husband out to the woods
he he he
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“I am God”
“Hi”
Goddamn what a stupid bitch.
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I’ve got a question for you all:
Why do white girls like rap?
I’ve noticed they like it way more than white guys.
I’m a college student btw.
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Do you really want to know?
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I e-mailed CH something similar.
Waitin’ on if he’ll throw some redpill my way..
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Reasons why girls like rap.
1: It’s the only brand of music that’s reliably misogynistic. Sure, even nickleback my have a song like “figured you out”. But for the most part, rap is the only place where musicians openly put down gold-diggers and aren’t afraid to smack a ho who gets out of line.
2: Rap and club-pop tend to focus on the pulsing beat. A young white girl in particular who’s spending time in the club in order to feel something else pulsing, will naturally associate the two.
3: Once they get away from home, young white girls often start more openly chasing guys who their parents wouldn’t approve of. Like the entire basketball team. Guys who tend to like rap music.
4: What else are they gonna listen to? They’re too old for teeny-pop, not sophisticated enough for classical or jazz, and most of them really don’t like rock because there’s almost no female fronted groups to draw them in the way Beyonce does to R&B/Rap.
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A better question is what do white guys listen to today? It sure isn’t rock music.
My sense that young people today aren’t nearly invested in music as their predecessors. They’re too busy jerking off on Facebook and Instagram.
Or in this case, on Plenty of Fish…
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Silly. What sane person wouldn’t actively seek good music?
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It’s lots of the Cure and Depeche Mode for me. Throw in some New Order and Rammstein and you’re solid.
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Girls like rhythm for dancing, and the rap shit with the deep bass surrounds a person, making them feel small, and the lyrics refer to sex a lot more. In short, girls who are into rap music are easier to fuck than girls with normal standards. I hate this fact and I hate rap and hiphop bullshit.
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Rap is at its base as simple as it comes. It appeals to the most primitive part of us. The focus is the beat, and ask most of the women about lyrics they will only know small portion. Ask any woman and they will say women are “more complex”. But we all know the answer to that one. Never believe a woman giving her opinion verbally, always watch what she does. The hamster rules.
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nichole8206 is a 4/10. Caption to one of her pictures is “I’m a little thick”. No surprise she’d fall all over herself for a guy out of her league.
http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=46057828
[CH: What about the other two? They’re cute. Check your priors.
ps nichole8206 is not thick. and she’s not a 4. she’s cute. around a 7. but i see where you’re coming from, pointy elbow syndrome nerd sufferer.]
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wouldn’t say a 4 either. But not a 7.
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She is a 7, but in none of those photos is she made up like she’d look at her best. Her facial features are decent, and her body isn’t bad.
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wtf are you smoking steve
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Oh oh Heartseysiz hearsit!!!! I’ve got another good contribution to this threadszz. Check it out.
I’m simply too much of a nice guy beta to be quite like the guy on this screenshot you post, but I have applied this experiment at a lower level.
I’m on match.com with a good profile showing that I’m good looking and do fun stuff. Lots of pics of me taken by others. None of me taking pic of myself in the mirror lzolzozzz which girls hate.
Ok.. I’m also divorced with 2 kids.
I have experimented with different profiles. When I have the profile say that I love spending time with my kids, they are the most important thing, etc….I get little interest. I get some, because I’m good looking.
When I make my profile not mention the kids, however, even though the system discloses that I have 2 kids (but I don’t talk about it in the self-written description) and make the profile more assholish and just talk about the things I love to do, like lift weights and play music, then the messages I get from hot women (and not so hot women) go up about 800%.
Further proving that women don’t like kids, in general. Yeah, I know they should not be expected to like my kids from a different woman, but I don’t get ANY points for being a “good man” who is an involved father. Didn’t get any points from my ex wife who saw that during the marriage, too.
Women hate kids. They care only about one thing: themselves.
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Can you try the following: Make two profiles, one where you have kids, one where you don’t. Then write to 50 single moms from each.
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Most women don’t hate kids. Hell, I’m childfree by choice and I don’t hate ’em. What you’re seeing is the other side of the “never, ever date a single mom” advice that the Chateau and its denizens are forever giving…and for much the same reasons.
#1: When your profile says that your kids are the most important thing in your life, you are specifically and expressly telling women that they will always play second fiddle to your kids. That’s as it should be, but it’s not a particularly alluring prospect, especially when there are so many available men who don’t have any.
#2: Single custodial dad means that somewhere, out there, there is a baby-mamma. Which means that if a woman enters into a relationship with you, she’s going to have to deal with baby-mamma drama. And no matter how amicable you are with your ex, there WILL be drama when you introduce a new woman into the equation.
#3: In my experience, and in the experience of every woman who has ever dated a single dad, what single dads are looking for is a replacement mother for their kids. Within the first few weeks, he’ll start slopping his responsibilities and chores off onto you. It starts with “could you pick up Aydenn from soccer,” then turns into “could you fix them some dinner? I’m working late,” and finally becomes “how could you let the kids’ rooms get so dirty!?! I thought you were going to do the laundry!”
So a woman reading a profile like your first one, what’s going through her head is this: “Oooh, so I get to play second fiddle to your kids, deal with your ex and her jealousy issues, play housewife, babysit, and then have them scream at me about how I’m not their real mom and they don’t have to listen to me? WHERE DO I SIGN UP?”
Your best bet would be to find a woman who either has a kid or two of her own, or to find a woman who would very much like to have children but cannot due to infertility.
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Agree.
You have your particular answer right there, straight from the whoreziz shitty pretty mouth! –the duplicitous/solipsistic/damn ugly nature of a women right there for all to see.
Notice the weaselly, treacherous and unstable nature of the beastette:
She “likes” kids, yet she can’t stand to be around your kid. She thinks it is “better” (there’s that slippery/untrustworthy word again haha!) that you put your children’s eudaemonia ahead of hers, yet she is too selfish to let that happen to her. In other words, she knows what is right and still with an impudent face discards that for her own personal pleasure. Very nice lady. Please keep those beautiful thoughts flowing.
She is careful not to let your needs precede hers. How would she ever do anything for you, even something a women is made by The Creator to do, such as housework and cook? My god, ur bitchiness is showing. However, she would do these things for the evil alpha who knows how to get her emotions going; for the evil bastard who dares to neg and qualify her; for the self-amused/cocky cock-headed masculine with cool/disinterested body language who never takes her seriously, except when he pretends to when he administers her daily dosage of chick crack and dominant grabs and butt slaps.
And my god, there might be some baby mama drama. Just a shit test bro. Remember to own the frame.
Men are more convinced by the facts. Women are seduced by the presentation of so-called-facts, id est, complete bullshit delivered with arrant un-shamefacedness. Lie to her, she promises, she’ll believe you. If you can’t do that, at least, bend the truth to your advantage.
If I were you then, I would not mention your kids or your ex or anything that isn’t fun and stupid. When she finds out, reframe to make it seem good for her. Say that you and your ex are great friends, blah blah. And when she finds out otherwise, just reframe again. Sell it with moxie. “bcuz i dont want to get u pregnant”
Sharing is caring too much. Sharing is not disinterest in the outcome. See American women love fun and stupid. The trouble with online dating is that you are sharing too much serious/logical/logistical info-masturbation about yourself right off the bat. Be mysterious, embrace the Dark Triad. Assume formlessness (48 Laws Of Power). If you have to lie about something to do that, then lie; or at least keep the truth in your backpocket as long as possible. But make the immortal Morpheus lies beautiful and masterful: Seductive. Remember that women are emotional creatures. Take her through the emotional hue, don’t let logic get in the way. Western women are not down with logic. She would rather share things about herself anyway. So cold read/elicit values and let her do the show and tell right down to the last panty fiber.
Why do women love assholes and jackasses? Because it mirrors their empty/disdainful souls.
Dem bitches be like snakes. Satan tempted Eve in that form. No accident. The Devil is a P O E T, you know. You don’t have to actually be an asshole, just act like one around pussy. It’s fun and stupid.
Or you could just screen out the Western women by making it clear that your kids are more important. Raw SELF-Expression! “It’s us against the world, baby girl; and that is the only way I’ll have it.”
8==========D
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Unbelievable.
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Great examples of “uncaring” asshole game. And where most n00bs get lost because they give each other the advice of “You gotta be an asshole to girls to get them to like you! It’s true man!” and then they go try to do this with girls and it flops. If you don’t actually think highly of yourself and you are too invested in getting a reaction out of the girl, she’ll backturn or it’s equivalent.
I’ll break down “uncaring” using the examples above, how I run my game and how I see other guys who are successful (and mostly just decent looking dudes):
1) Very selfish guys who keep it positive, not mean. In the above examples, you could say he’s being an “asshole”, but at the same time he’s not actually being “mean” is he? lol you could almost replace every line he types with “I’m the shit.” and be done with it. At no point is he trying to tear the girl down in a mean spirited way, he’s just basically saying “I’m amazing and no one tells me what to do. Oh and by the way, you should give me what I want because you’ll like it too.”
2) They don’t look for validation. Most guys (especially in LA) want to be the badass yet what they really need is affirmation from everyone around them that they are exactly that before they can go to work. They create an identity (nice cars, clothes, muscles, etc) and may proclaim “Yea mothafucka I’m the shit!!” but in the back of their heads is looming “ammmirite?” This shows when they get rejected by a girl and they respond with “Whatever stupid slut” or they see a guy like me (I’m 5’4″ and don’t have “society approved” qualities that people think are required to get the kind of girls I go after and get) and then they either a) want to fight me or b) lamely try to AMOG me. Point is: a real player doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone, he just knows he is and that’s the end of it. Women know real men when they see them by the way that they seek validation or not. That’s the true test.
[CH: Good comment. Solid, tight, unimpeachable.]
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Real talk right here. Good stuff.
“They create an identity (nice cars, clothes, muscles, etc) and may proclaim “Yea mothafucka I’m the shit!!” but in the back of their heads is looming “ammmirite?” This shows when they get rejected by a girl and they respond with “Whatever stupid slut” or they see a guy like me (I’m 5’4″ and don’t have “society approved” qualities that people think are required to get the kind of girls I go after and get) and then they either a) want to fight me or b) lamely try to AMOG me.”
This is the environment I’m currently gaming in. Shit-tons of these guys around. Talking big and circling my shit like vultures. They’re all better looking than me, most are taller, richer, jacked, have better careers, have expensive cars, suits, haircuts, order bottle service, buy rounds for groups at a time, and go on and on about how badass they are etc…
But I can see the “….ammirite??” underneath it all. And if I can see it, girls can see it. Not a single fuck given from me that these guys are my competition, because in reality they’re simply not.
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‘Not Giving a Fuck’ is beginning to look like the master key more and more as time goes on.
There is simply no defense to it. If you truly don’t care about other people’s opinions it liberates you to attempt what most people can’t even think about doing.
How can a guy mess with your head when his opinion doesn’t even matter to you? How can you care about rejection when it means nothing? I think it’s much easier said than done though, but once in that state, it’s like almost nothing can touch you.
I believe that it’s attractive since it denotes ultimate power. When no one can affect you or has control that shines through. In our more primal times, I doubt that a person had a choice of whether he could give a fuck or not. He was in a tribe and he had to either be the alpha or listen to one. People were in small enough social circle that they knew which men were dominated and which weren’t. However in our modern society with such a large number of people, the ‘Not Give a Fuck, I’m the Big Chief’ can be attained and projected quite easily as long you make simple steps to choose and control your environmental circumstances.
It also goes without saying that it doesn’t mean one doesn’t care about appearance, etc but that other people’s opinions of them especially strangers are in essence meaningless.
This all probably falls under irrational confidence rule. Just another way of conceptualizing it.
‘But I can see the “….ammirite??” underneath it all. ‘
That just shows that since we can see that attitude in a lot of men that have outward good qualities how rare the irrational confidence factor is obtained. Probably due to you have to be able to accept failure as inevitable as death and taxes and not let it bother you. Take social risks with reckless abandon and take the ego hit of the failures that will happen.
The one mental block I get with this is I always imagine the clueless loser dweeb type that is really outgoing but is a laughing stock and looks just so pathetic because he has no clue about human interaction. I’m no where close to this guy but the moments that I back away from boldness is because of this fear of looking like ‘that guy’.
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Great Comment.
People forget there are two parts to confidence. They focus heavily on self-belief, but neglect self-acceptance. The former is just positive, internal validation. The latter is key to being ok with yourself, knowing you’re “worth it” even without the clothes/car/career.
To get to self-belief, just doubt your doubts and get rid of other negative beliefs that have been hiding. You can develop new beliefs on top of that.
For self-acceptance, it’s a matter of not caring what you look like. A person who practices this is simply ok with looking bad, because they don’t care. The ‘magic’ is that they look like the most fulfilled man in the room, because of this powerful attitude.
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Impressive, but of course those chats are cherry-picked so I dunno
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it’s a fact. women respond better to telling them what to do rather than “requesting what you’d like her do.” never give the option of no, be confidant, and take the lead. it’s RARE for a girl to turn you down.
and if she does, you’ll have cut to the chase and can move on to the next one. i NEVER ask for a girl #. i hand her my phone and tell her we’re going to be doing something later. i have a 90% success rate.
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Any wonder why women in the past were considered to have the legal capacity of children.
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We truly are in the Dark Ages again.
I accept how women are…but damn.
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Its likely that these responses were culled from a large selection of failures.
But lets be real, if think this guy is “too good-looking” for this to count, what do you think would happen if he messaged girls beta shit?
[CH: The guy in the avatar, whether he’s real or not (and no one can prove either way), is a little better than average looking, which means he falls in the fat part of the bell curve for male looks. Hardly “good-looking”. But not bad either. Most men would fall in the same range as him, with a few very handsome men and a few very ugly men occupying the far right and left tails of the bell curve respectively.
There is already plenty of evidence that chicks love confident asshole game. Now of course, any kind of game will work better for a handsome man than for a Quasimodo. But the same can be said for a wealthy man or a famous man or a witty man. Men can raise or lower their status by a variety of means and mechanisms. Women can only raise or lower their own status by ONE means: their looks. Male assholery signals that a man has a lot of mating market options, and that is why the ASSHOLE ATTITUDE is rawly, viscerally attractive to women. Being an asshole works for ugly men and handsome men. In fact, it may even work BETTER for uglier men because it upends female expectations that the ugly man will be a nervous, shrinking violet.
The absolute best (i.e. the most forgiving rationalization) that the hater troll entities can say about their warped interpretation of confident asshole game is that women won’t be put off by alpha males acting like assholes with them. Doesn’t say much for women’s judgment or ethical codes, does it? But of course those without understanding from living too long removed from normal society with normal people interacting in normal ways miss the forest for the trees, and fail to grasp the plainest reality that men from various stations in life and with various preexisting positive or negative physical traits who also have that confident, cocky, asshole-y swagger simply outperform the equivalent men who DON’T have that swagger in the stakes for high end pussy.]
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Two thoughts:
1. Even if his success rate was 3 in 100, there is almost zero opportunity cost to sending out those messages compared to engaging real life women in conversation.
2. I think OKCupid had a stat that women find 80% of the men’s looks on the site below average. This could mean two things:
a) The men on dating sites are drastically more ugly than the average male population
b) You gotta be in the top 10% (or 5%?) of attractiveness to even be considered above average or hot by women. This probably means that guy is out as well.
Which is more likely? No idea. Nor should I care. Looks I can hardly improve, height I can’t improve etc.. No use fretting about that.
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The guy gets gina tingles. He’s hot. I would give him my number (but only for exchange #2).
[CH: His fuck-it attitude is part of the reason why girls get tingles with him.]
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Yeah. It’s hot. I don’t know why this is hard for guys here to understand. This guy is not any kind of an outlier. He’s just plain sexy. And I don’t know what kind of microscopes y’all have attached to your screens because I can’t see what he looks like.
Every statement that dude types is like him demonstrating that he is a great lay.
[CH: And if more dudes typed statements like him they’d get more numbers thrown at them.]
That’s why chicks hand out the number.
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You’re being more typically stupid woman lately. It is easy to anonymously type “bend over” from behind a gay dating site. And you call this “hot.” What would be “hot” is if he–which in real life he no doubt does not–had the balls to simply be nice and give you a big smile (but not a needy one) in your book store. After he had worked out that day, of course, and taken a shower and is smelling and looking good. He’s got guitar practice later. That’s hot. It takes no skillz whatsoever to be a dick behind a keyboard.
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k. Ill like you best if you want.
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This takes “balls”? It may require many other qualities, but “balls” is not among them. Which is why niceguys finish last.
Try it. Not as easy as you think. Especially for a beaten-down beta sheep whose only recourse is an occasional spasm of resentment.
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The thing about this guy is that he tempers his excessive confidence by really owning his attraction to a girl.
Like he says, “bend over”, but then he says he wants to impregnante the girl, not just nail her. The distinction is important to me at least.
He is gushing over the last girl’s beauty. I bet some of you guys thought that was against the rules. Nope. He is showing excessive confidence about his attraction to the girl. That’s the best. This guy has so much faith in himself that any chick with more than a room temperature IQ is going have her playdar going on high gear here. So, he needs to immediately convince these girls that he’s really into them by owning the attraction as much as possible.
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Bend over. I want to “impregnante” you.
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I had a delicious impregnante in a light Alfredo sauce at Carrabba’s the other night. Chased it with espresso and tiramisu. Prego!
[CH: This is the funniest comment you’ve written.]
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Smallville, a show targeted at teenagers, understood this ugly truth remarkably well. Keep in mind that some of the youtube comments read: “I have never been more afraid of Clark Kent or Tom Welling in my entire life… and oddly I find that so sexy”
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I actually watched Smallville the first few seasons for the portrayal of Lex Luthor alone. His was an excellent depiction of alphatude in contrast to the ultra-knighting of Clark Kent. (I didn’t make it to the season where Lex snatches Clark’s high school sweetheart Lana and breeds her, but I believe that’s what happened.)
Of course Luthor’s alpha posture had to be manifested in villainy, in order to match current mores. Assertive manliness is “evil” say the feminists and pseudo-subversive Dark Triadists.
Matt
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wow a Matt post I actually agree with.
Lex on Smallville is a very solid character to reference for guys wanting to learn alpha traits. I like him as an example because objectively he’s a scrawny little metro guy, not a macho tough manly one-word growl badass…but the way he carries himself, uses breaking rapport voice tone, AMOGs people, speaks with authority and confidence, is unreactive, etc., its all really solid. He’s how AMOG’ing in rich social circles looks (like high end nightclubs)…where it’s not a guy telling another guy to step outside so they can fist-fight, it’s one guy dismissively responding “I like your shirt.” and knowing that cut the guy’s value down to the girls around him.
Clark is superman but when the two of them walk into a room side by side it’s clear which one is more alpha.
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good shit though except the womb part he should of at least talked about he doesn’t pay child support lol
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As Krauser (one of CH’s blog buddies on the right hand column above) recently posited: Game (and I’d add assholery) is only necessary to the extent that you don’t have compliance.
[CH: I agree with that. Once you have compliance — that is, the girl is dropping IOIs hard and agreeing to everything you say or request of her — amping up the asshole might push her away by making you appear unattainable or uninterested in really seducing her down that last leg of the pick-up.]
By the way, he is a shitty marketer but his daygame book is stellar – I read it with a yellow highlighter and now half the book is yellow.
I’d agree that cocky/arrogance it’s most effective on immediate encounter with most women. Calibration is not always easy though – Take it from someone who was recently was asked to leave a high tableside of 2 6-7’s by security (they surreptitiously told a waiter to get us out of there).
Can’t help but be impressed that a lot….most of this New Testament stuff has it’s roots in the old testament prophet D.Deangelo’s Cocky & Funny.
The truth endures
[UNcaring assholery, like what we see in this post, is attractive to women. CARING assholery is not. The distinction is critical, and not that hard to discern when it happens in real life.]
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Ah yeah….UNcaring assholery and cockiness as opposed to Caring assholery. I recall you did some kind of post on that at one point. This Sh^7t is highly nuanced.
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Haven’t seen D.D’s name dropped in so long now. I learned a lot from that man.
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Let me see if I get this right… “assholery” sets the frame on the initial meeting. Then, all you have to do is not screw up that frame… Seems pretty straightforward.
I tried that a little last night (again! This stuff works like magic!).
Was returning some stuff to a big box hardware store. the return desk girl was helping me find a receipt for an item. She wrote down the stock number, so I could look it up in their system. It wasn’t working, so she came over to check on me. She commented that I was entering the wrong number (the 4 looked like a 9), and apologized that her handwriting was so sloppy.
Normally, I would have said something like “it’s ok, or its not that bad” (beta)… but like all red pill exercises/situations that are becoming more natural, I stopped myself before I said anything.
Then, I agreed and said that her handwriting was “incredibly sloppy” (uncaring assholery) (That was incredibly rude to say to someone I just met…it still felt rude, but I said it anyway…).
Guess what? by the time we got back to the service desk, I could see the hamster starting to spin up and the look in her eyes (definite IOI) told me that it was on, (if I wanted it…)
(background – I’m good-looking but I’m over 50. She is late teens/early 20’s…)
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i liked the part of the story where you banged her
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Isn’t K’s book like $80?
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The guy isn’t that good-looking. What he’s done is put himself in a pose, in his pic, that’s pretty much its own DHV. Looking away from the camera, profile/three-quarters. The pose and expression just make him look better — doesn’t hurt that he’s well-groomed.
…
After these finals are over, I’m doing my first 30 day challenge…w00t.
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NOTE: I’m a firm disbeliever in the myth that game only works on dumb bar sluts.
That being said, I think posts like this perpetuate that myth. The chicks in those convos appear to have the mental ability of a walnut, and that might be an insult to walnuts. Futhermore, it seems like they were only digging the guy because of his looks. Not that he couldn’t have fucked the whole thing up by being a supplicating beta… But I seriously doubt tactics like his would work on a woman with some brain activity.
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“woman with some brain activity”
I’ve never heard of such a thing.
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^I’m betting you use POF
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Not especially related to the article, but…:
Would be fascinated to hear CH’s thoughts on Marc Rudov – he has been referenced briefly in the Chateau before re: valentines day iirc
From what I have gathered via youtube, he stresses that women should be treated as peers – i.e. to hell with self-obsessed, entitled princesses.
That sounds fine, but then I am reminded of a random forum posting from a happily married man:
“A man’s tendency, especially in these modern times, is to treat his wife like a business partner or fishing buddy. This is a good way to invite resentment and affairs into any marriage, no matter how strong or perfect it may look like on the outside.”
IMO this leaves men in a tricky position; you don’t want to be a doormat, grateful just for the opportunity to buy the hot girl at the bar a drink – but nor do you want to be the 50/50 fishing buddy.
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I once set up a fake female profile on OKcupid, say a solid 9, Angelina Jolie type lookalike. This was for research purposes obviously, I wanted to see what types of messages hot girls were getting and if I could use any of the openers. Out of 100 messages, 98 were variations of, “oh hi, you look nice” or some random comment on my profile. Very few were amped up and super sex charged. Take from this what you will. The profile was of a classy 9 though, maybe if there were sluttier photos I would have gotten sluttier messages.
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1) I love this guy in the example
2) Note girl 2. This guy is not actually aloof. Saying you want to impregnate a girl implies commitment. I would go for the exchange with girl #2 because I would think he might be interested in something long term. You can call that stupid if you want, but I’m being honest here. I wouldn’t the guy was a hopeless player.
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2) Hamster alert.
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The guy is saying this ridiculous shit “I’m going to place my cum in your womb” and “you will have my beautiful children” because it’s hilarious TO HIM. Even funnier that she’s smiling on the other end and eating this shit up. Although it’s obvious he does want to stick his peepee in the vagina, remember he is saying this to someone he is essentially just meeting. Taking these statements literally and implying he wants long term commitment from a girl he doesn’t know is a bit of a stretch.
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The really incredible thing about this is the fact that all of those messages occurred within the span of 2 hours. Most beta boys who are too afraid to be bold with their messages would be lucky to get that much in a week.
They appear to be dtf. Insane
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[…] Confident A-Hole Game […]
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Here’s my recent exchange with girl I’m banging who’s been giving me grief, just distancing, “busy with work”. We made plans for Friday. I disappeared for a few days. She reached out:
her: Meow
Me: reeeer.
Me: Got news. (get hamster going)
Her; “Good news? Happy news?”
Me: Tell u tmrw (way of confirming our meet up)
Her: some emoticon
Me:8pm. Dress nice. Bring snacks.
Her: Work tomorrow (shit test, push back)
Me: “Can’t meet?”
Her: Still meet, can’t in nice dress
Me: Find something you can do for me
Her: yes boss
Me: Surprise me
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Not a huge deal, but you might have wanted to stop shy of “surprise me”. It was already implied, and by letting her be the last one to speak, you leave the conversation with de-facto hand.
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I agree with this. It’s a minor thing and it’s not like that alone is going to affect whether she fucks you or not, but it’s a good habit to get into to practice not responding to every txt. In situations like this (the end of an interaction or when making plans etc) I tend to ask myself “does this response push things forward? Does the interaction NEED to be pushed forward or is it already a snowball rolling down the hill?” and then not send it if it isn’t necessary.
That said, you guys would shit a brick at the verbosity of my txt game. I send entire screens of txts, multiple times in a row, with perfect spelling/grammar, emoticons, lols, etc. even if she’s replying with one word answers. But I know what I’m doing.
I’m tempted to post some of my convos up with line by line pickup breakdowns for demonstration purposes but the internet detectives who do stuff like google a girl’s POF profile in a chateau post like in this comment section creep me out too much, and if the girl happened to google one of my txts she’d be pissed to find out I posted our private convo on the net and I’d end up with too much drama.
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Seriously? Entire screens of texts? I’m curious how you make this work. Seems very beta to me, especially when dealing with unreceptive girls. I mean, one of my favorite girls is madly in love with me, I just broke her anal cherry last night, and I don’t think I’ve ever her sent her a text that was more than 8 words.
I mean if it works for you, keep it up.
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Its all context. If YaReally has tight game and the girl is into him, then super long texts, multiple texts, emoticons, whatever, will all work. From YaReally’s past posts, it seems his game is tight, so his text game is probably tight as well. Too many people on here worry about whether they’re doing shit “right”.
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My txt game is wicked-tight. When other guys send a lot of txts it’s just gay shit that isn’t heading anywhere.
It’s like how someone who talks a lot usually comes off beta and trying to hold attention desperately…but then you watch Russell Brand flirting with chicks and its like oh, shit, okay that can work.
The diff between how Russell Brand blathers on endlessly and how most average guys would is that everything Russell says/describes is designed to take the girl on a massive emotional roller coaster of ups and downs and mental imagery and innuendo and teasing and push/pull and leading etc. so he’s actually packing a lot of game concepts into his verbals.
My txt convos never look like:
Guy: “How’s it going?”
Girl: “Good u?”
“Bored at work lol what u up to?”
“Just hangin out”
“How’s the hangover?”
“Lol doing better”
“Sounds like a fun night lol did you end up blah blah? Because this one time I blah blah”
“Ya it was! I only blah blah’ed once and then we went blah blah”
That’s the kind of guy who should just be txting one word replies because his txting so much is just “filler”. Like someone filling in silences with “um”s and “uhh”s. Its technically kind of building a little comfort at best but there’s no game principles involved in it.
My txting looks more like:
Me: “quit thinking about me, I can’t get any sleep when I’m running thru your dreams all night. Jerk.”
Her: “lol o ya I couldn’t help it.”
Me: “I understand you’re madly in love with me, but you’re going to have to try to restrain yourself. I recommend that restraining involve handcuffs. In fact I volunteer to help you with that. Don’t worry, mine are fuzzy ones.”
Her: “lol maybe I already have a pair”
Me: “of course you do, dirty birdy. I knew from the moment I saw you. I can read you like a book. I know your SOUL.”
Her: “lol ur crazy”
Me: “I knew you would say that. Now quit interrupting my workday to tell me about your 50 Shades of fantasies, I have work to do and I can’t balance my laptop on a boner.”
Her: “lol u txted me!!”
Me: “It’s alright, you don’t have to hide your love. Now I have to go polish my handcuffs. Pervert.”
I’ll basically just fuck around and amuse myself but all my txts involve combinations of pushing toward sex, innuendo, push/pull, accusations and cold-reads, role playing, future projection, callback humor, us vs them, etc. so I’m txting a shitload but on her end she ends up distracted from whatever she’s doing being she can’t believe the shit that I’m writing to her.
I usually initiate my txting during the slow work day (around noon) and late at night (9pm+) because those are the times she’ll be free to txt for a bit. If we pass 1pm and she’s still txting back then I pretty much keep her distracted thru the rest of her work day. At night I’ll drop more innuendo and see if she latches on and plays back and forth with me on it, at which point I’ll start downshifting into more sex discussion (stories experiences curiousities etc) and sexting because I know she’s probably alone in bed semi-naked and I can escalate describing sexy fantasy scenes of us and get her turned on enough to rub one out before going to sleep…and of course she’ll wake up thinking about me and I’ll be on her mind for part of her morning.
Some girls don’t know how to respond to my txts so they look like I wrote up above, just little responses till I switch to comfort and they can txt more because they don’t have to be funny/witty. But a lot of girls will try to keep up with me and play back and occasionally I meet a girl who can actually keep up and we’ll both send off big page-long txts like mine above. The attraction with those girls spikes fast because they don’t meet guys who can have them reaching to try to out-wit them and its exciting.
For stuff like meeting up a lot of guys txts look like:
Guy: “come to Club Friday. Dress nice”
Her: “lol I have plans already”
(4 hours later): “Cancel them.”
And that can work if the girl knows you well and you have enough value already and if you’re just inviting her to a nice safe thing like dinner or a party night…but I’m shooting for having her come over to fuck, so I have to get some emotional steam going like:
Me: “you should come over Friday.”
Her: “lol o really”
Me: “well we could go to a bar instead but you’re a girl and girls take forever to get ready so we’ll end up being late and then one of us will have to give the bouncer a blowjob to get in and I have lockjaw from going down on you last night.”
Her: “omg!!! Can’t believe u said that. And we never had sex u must have me confused.”
Me: “oh right that was a dream I had. My bad. I guess that explains the whole thing with the goat. And how I managed to last an incredible 31 seconds breaking my former record of 30.”
Her: “lol wow u sure know how to sell yourself”
Me: “I would never sell myself. Who would pay for a night of disappointment followed by a morning of shame, regret, and being kicked out for my pretend early business meeting?”
Her: “lol u wouldn’t throw me out”
Me: “no that’s just the ugly girls. You can stay for breakfast, as long as you make it. In nothing but heels and an apron.”
Her: “lol that’s how I always cook”
Me: “I don’t believe you. You should come over Friday and we’ll cook dinner. We can wear clothes though, I look terrible in heels and an apron.”
Her: “lol just dinner hey? I don’t believe you”
Me: “well after dinner we can sit awkwardly on opposite ends of the couch with a barrier of pillows between us to ensure we don’t accidentally cuddle, but you’ll have to help me stack the pillows. And if you turn it into a pillow fight you’ll get a pillow spanking. Troublemaker.”
Her: “lol what time?”
So again a lot of what I do is pack a bunch of game concepts into individual txts. I can come up with this stuff on the fly because I’ve been doing it for a while and my in-person game is the same style. A big reason why I can build so much comfort/attraction is that I’m demonstrating a TON of my personality with these txts. Like after an afternoon of this kind of txting she feels like she’s known me forever and that I’m fascinating and I’m easily the most interesting txt conversation she’s ever had. She’s laughed, been offended, been relieved, been qualifying herself, been excited, been mad, been puzzled and mystified, etc. way more shit than most of her txt convos involve with normal guys.
When I can do this a few times congruently she realizes “okay this is how this guy is, wow, I want to meet him”, especially if I lead it into sexual comfort/rapport building late at night.
You could say “but YaReally isn’t this dancing monkey shit?” But the difference between this and that is that the dancing monkey isn’t headed anywhere. He’s in one spot trying to keep her there by trying to keep her attention. What I’m doing is plowing forward like a train and dragging her along with me.
Like with the dinner txts above I pitch to come over which I know she won’t accept right away. Then I go off on a crazy emotional rollercoaster tangent, but I’m always looking to head back to the initial invite and I eventually return to it. So everything I’m txting is heading toward my goal of having her over to fuck. I’m never just txting for the sake of txting or txting like one of her girlfriends or orbiters.
This is just how I run my attraction stuff. For comfort/rapport I tone the crazy down a bit and get more into deep emotional and sexual discussions…but again I save that for night time conversations, never daytime. That stuff is where I’ll get into pages and pages of multiple txts because I’m txting stuff like my views on relationships/monogamy and sexuality and jealousy etc so there’s a lot to explain but by then I’ve built enough attraction that she wants to read it all and she’s captivated by our conversation and she’s sharing her pages of feelings/experiences, so it helps build our connection. Then the next morning I go back to playful fun lighthearted stuff because I know the seeds have been planted and I’ve laid out my groundwork for a casual fuckbuddy situ.
At that point I’ve already run all of the game I would run in person, we’ve gone thru all the mystery method stages etc and I can arrange her coming over usually to “watch a movie” (when she shows up I just pin her against the wall and make out and escalate right to the bedroom, because we’ve already talked about sex enough that I know she wants it), but sometimes I can get them to come over literally to have sex, like they’ll ignore their ASD and admit they need me to fuck them (then they get nervous right before coming over and I have to run some quick lighthearted attraction game to get over that last little hump lol)
Anyway so I do a lot of txting. My phone is always going off and I’ll txt all day/night long if it means securing a casual FB without having to go to dinner etc lol. My job is lax so I can just shoot off txts all day.
Some guys have money and time to burn so they don’t mind going out for dinner and drinks and doing this all then…but I’m lazy and poor and don’t want to do that so i’d rather spend a few days idly txting than waste a whole evening going out, buying drinks, building comfort, competing with distractions and cockblocks and logistics, her screening me as a provider, etc. that might end up with not even getting the lay that night.
Wasn’t expecting this to be so long but hey, there’s a glimpse at my txt game.
Also the interesting thing I found is that if I stay congruent to my verbose txts, she’ll eventually try to keep up with me. Like if she starts out typing like “wut u up 2?” And we txt for a bit and I stick to proper grammar/spelling, eventually (when I have enough value to her) she’ll clean her txting up a lot with me and txt with decent spelling/grammar like a normal human being lol I actually take that as an ioi.
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holy crap, Yar’s text game is like another red pill. dafuqusay? dat’s awesome.
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i need to come up with an app to isolate and catalog Yars stuff.
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@ya really
Hre’s a sample of text with girl I’m banging who is now in a “distancing position”…blows hold and cold:
Here; Trial text : Meow
Me; 4 hours later: reer
Her: Are you at the party?
Me: 3 hours later: Imagine we’re on a spy mission…what would you be wearing?
Her: immediately after waking up: “School girl uniform”
Me: Perfect, I’m in tweed and smoking a pipe. Our mission is to recover vials of a toxic virus from the Russian professor. He sees us. I need you to get those vials…”
After this elaborate re-frame and scene setting. She didn’t reply.
But it was a lot better than responding with “Yah, I’m at the party”>
THis gives me a perfect out for a long “no contact”..
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@pooralpha
lol thanks. My shit is pretty specific to my personality (dry rambling sense of humor like Russell Brand, Ryan Reynolds or Hank Moody) so it’s not real useful for a lot of normal guys. I tried the James Bond stuff for a while and it works but it’s not congruent to me and I never enjoyed restricting myself that way. Plus I’m picky about which girls I spend time with so this helps screen out girls that I would be bored shooting the shit and joking around with after sex.
@walawala
Excellent, you’re getting the right idea. Some notes:
1) if you don’t normally txt her like this, it can be strange to her because its not congruent to how she knows you, so it’s possible she’ll think you’re just being a dick and not into her anymore because suddenly you’re just being silly instead of how she’s used to you being, which if that’s how you are from the start its fine but as a behavior change it can read as dismissive to her. Her not txting back can be for a million reasons of course but there’s a chance it’s a result of “wtf? Why is he being like this? Wtf am I supposed to respond? Is he done with our shit and just fucking with me now?” confusion/embarrassment.I’m not saying that’s what’s happening, she might just be taking a dump and can’t respond lol, but it’s something to keep in mind and watch for signs of, because its a change in how she knows you to be.
2) Remember to try to link it to the conversation so it comes off as witty/imaginative VS random. For example:
“are you at the party?”
“imagine we’re on a mission, what would you wear blah blah”
VS
“are you at the party?”
“ya but I’m undercover on a mission and I need a partner, what would you wear blah blah”
Also in the 2nd version I’ve packed in “forward intent” (ie – pushing toward the goal of meeting up for sex, even if you don’t actually expect to or can’t meet up, it’s good to keep them thinking “when I txt walawala I can rely on him to make me aroused”) by telling her I need a partner which is implying “you should come to the party to see/fuck me”
So I’m relating it TO the conversation (about the party) AND pushing the interaction toward sex even minimally…VS “stalling” where we have a fun txt convo but it’s not leading anywhere besides a fun txt convo that she’ll get validation from and then go on her merry way.
3) “schoolgirl uniform” = “I’m horny, make innuendo and sext me”. She could have picked any outfit in the world but she picked one with sexual connotations and it doesn’t even make sense in the spy roleplay so that’s two “outs” she passed up (to just answer something non-sexual). So here I would shift gears into heavier sexual flirting, whereas you kind of pull back into non-sexual territory. With a fuckbuddy that’s fine, she knows you can be sexual, but with a new random girl, this can be the difference between “this guy will know when I’m horny and take care of my needs” VS “this guy needs me to spell it out for him and I don’t want to sound slutty, I want him to “just get it”.” which with girls who like sexual dominant men, can lose you the girl entirely. Make sense?
So when you go into the vials story, technically that’s a good LOGICAL follow-up to your initial bit, but you glossed over calibrating to her response/hint and pulled back from being sexual. It’s kind of like when a guy has a routine and the girl doesn’t respond like he expects but instead of shifting gears and adapting to that, he sticks to his routine rigidly and tries to force it, which frustrates her because she’s like “I was trying to take this somewhere”
This also kind of plays into the possible “being dismissed” feeling she may get because now you’ve responded with nonsense AND “rejected” the open window where she “threw herself at you” by picking schoolgirl outfit. Again the dynamic is a little weird because you two have history and she has a view of how you normally respond to txts so that fucks with this particular experiment you’re doing lol. But that’s fine you can learn from it, you know?
4) Note that she responds sexually to your roleplay. This is what I mean by throwing bits of innuendo and roleplay out as a feeler to see where she’s at to calibrate to it. If she responded “tuxedo”, then she’s not in a sexual headspace and you want to keep the innuendo/sexuality light and sprinkled in (always there but toned down), so with a girl who responded non-sexual like that, what you followed up with about the vials would be fine because that fits her headspace. Whereas this girl has fucked you so of course she responds sexual with “schoolgirl outfit”…so your “feeler” txt tells you how receptive she is to sexual flirting and with this response you know “okay she’s in a sexual frame so I want to slowly amp this roleplay toward sexting and sending her dirty txts at work to distract her with horniness all day”.
5) don’t let them not responding right away cause you to panic. A lot of times girls just aren’t used to getting something like that in txt (since every other guy is txting them boring shit) and pretty girls don’t HAVE to be witty and able to play along with that stuff, so sometimes they want to think out their response to try to impress you etc. you’re basically giving them a chess problem to solve, and a lot of them love that because they don’t get that challenge from most guys.
6) if she doesn’t play along that’s cool, don’t try to force her into it like forcing a square peg in a round hole, just drop it and move on…you’re just self-amusing so you don’t care. Like if she didn’t respond at all for 3 days after that last txt, don’t txt “I’m waiting…?” or “well, are you going to help me on the spy mission or not?” Just txt her like normal about whatever you would ordinarily.
So you did good as a first go here, but the keys to remember for you right now:
1) you can push the intent-to-meet-up-and-bang further
2) calibrate the sexuality
3) link the roleplay to the convo and what she says
4) this experiment’s results will be off because you have history with her, try it on new girls for a more accurate view of how you’re doing with it and where sticking points are.
Good luck man! Glad to see you experiment. Like I say this style isn’t for everyone, I’m mainly posting it to counter the notion that you shouldn’t ever send multiple txts, long txts, etc to girls and all pickup txting should be Jumbotron approved…you CAN break the rules IF you have a solid understanding of game concepts and attraction.
Despite the length and frequency of my txts, in terms of building attraction and heading toward the goal of getting laid with new girls you haven’t fucked yet and/or don’t have high value with and/or are super hot and have 50 guys txting them every day, my txts are actually way more efficient than the bland short txts most guys send. 🙂
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Im the same way. Screens on screens. But it has to be smart. Tends to drive ego depletion. Works awesome if you are air tight.
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Im the same way. Screens on screens. But it has to be smart. Tends to drive ego depletion. Works awesome if you are air tight.
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Another confounder to consider is that his username may be priming them to contextualize his advances differently. Either way, apex level online game. He will have these girls in a sexual frame from the beginning.
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Dominance ≠ Asshole.
Women like to be told what to do, to be bullied, to be mastered, to have their will replaced by a stronger one. This is not a bad thing, or a “dark” thing, or even a secret game thing. It is a very natural thing, and it was a cultural thing up to about fifty years ago. (Cf. Mad Men) It’s called being a man. We only find it titillating because we live in a world of boys.
Being an asshole is being a frustrated beta male. A creep. A spaz. An overbearing uncalibrated freak who represses his instinct in a repressive culture only to have it erupt in uncontrollable flashes, like, say, at Columbine, CO.
Alpha is not evil. Beta is evil. Evil is not strength. Evil is weakness, indiscipline, giving oneself over to temptations which further enervate. Evil makes the nearly-dead alcoholic keep drinking himself to death. Evil makes the coward comply with the demands of shrieking shrikes.
We are born men. Feminism taught us to act like women. This is a deviancy, like gay sex and cross dressing. The definition of “asshole” used here is the feminist’s definition, which can be co-opted and embraced by natives in order to reduce its power, like “n i g g e r.” But it has nothing to do with treating women poorly.
What is a famous incident of a woman “treated poorly” according to the prevailing feminist definition? Chris Brown and Rihanna. What he did to her was the most horrifying thing imaginable to a feminist: he exposed the insuperable physical superiority of male rage and power. To a realist? It’s another day at the office.
Rihanna went back to him. For this she was called “disturbed” and “sick.” Dissent has become medicalized, it’s the only way for ideologues to square the circle between their dreams of how the world should be and the truth of how the world must always be.
Rihanna was not treated poorly. Chris Brown is not an “asshole.” He is a man. Women must understand the latent deadly capacity of men and fear it. When that fear is removed, they cease to be themselves, they cease to be feminine. There is no containment on their emotion, no discipline over their batshit hypergamy. They become dogs who were never housebroken, they soil their own nests. They yearn for the collar and the whip. Men make them whole.
The more you unintentionally operate under feminist definitions, the more difficult the eradication of gynocracy becomes.
Matt
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Take a bow, Sir.
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Confidence matters, yes. But this guy is also hot as fuck. Try the same approach with someone who looks like Andy Richter.
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The problem I have with this statement is that you use an extremely ugly man to get your point across of how being good looking is a huge factor. Looks matter up until a point. You only need to be average which most any guy can do to be able to play the game.
Yes if you are obese, then you’re fucked more or less. Being good looking gets you an interview much more easily but it doesn’t even come close to sealing the deal at all.
The huge valuation of looks in America is due that men don’t approach. Since good looks lead to much more IOIs that say it’s ok to approach, good looking is overvalued. When you learn to approach and you are ok looking, you have right there busted through the looks paper tiger by a sizable degree.
I have had IOIs up the roof and was shot down regularly when I actually did anything about it. I was always frustrated when this happened because I knew for a fact the girl really liked the way I looked but she soured on me. WTF??? Now it’s clear as day.
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It’s the jawline. His manjaw is basically the only feature you can distinguish from a blurry thumbnail, other than his hair.
And the fact that his jaw is distinguishable through a blurry thumbnail is impressive in itself.
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He’s hot. Some men don’t understand that looks do matter to women. They are a status symbol. Looks may not matter in the same way that female looks matter to men- in that the looks matter for the sake of the aesthetic- looks matter to women because of what they say about us. “I am hot enough for this extremely hot guy to pay attention to me.” It’s flattery and that arouses us.
Aside from the ego boost, I do appreciate having a hot husband because he is nicer to look at and touch than a non hot husband. Having sex with a fat guy would be gross, I don’t care how alpha or rich he is.
[CH: Do you have a manjaw, narrow hips, or hairy forearms? Serious question.]
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No. I’m quite feminine looking, but it’s the internet, what does it matter what I say. To boot though, my pointer finger is longer than the ring one.
[CH: The reason I asked is because most women who are attracted primarily to men’s looks are masculinized in nature, and this manifests in certain masculine traits, such as narrow hips, male digit ratio, manjaw, big nose, small breasts, etc. More feminine, i.e., desirable women, tend to be more forgiving of a man’s shortcomings in the looks department if he has other attractive male traits that polarize well with her own femininity. There are exceptions of course.]
Is it really that controversial to say that I am more sexually attracted to good looking men than not good looking men?
[I have never seen women go more crazy ga-ga with lust and pride than when an ugly male musician hits on them after his show.]
Isn’t it the same with women but opposite? Beautiful + sweet > Beautiful + cunty is it not?
[Women are attracted to far more signals of male mate quality than male looks. This is a difference in kind, not degree, from what men are attracted to in women, which is primarily looks. This subject has been discussed to death here, and you are bordering on troll territory now. Before continuing further, I suggest you peruse the archives and acquaint yourself with the science and the inevitable logic of the innate differences in male-female sexual psychology.]
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I am aware. I have enjoyed this blog for a while and mostly agree with it.
So are you stating that looks are irrelevant for men?
[CH: No, and never stated that. Looks are less relevant for men’s prospects than they are for women’s prospects.]
Have you every seen a teenage girl’s bedroom? Wait, don’t answer that😉
[Teen girls are drawn to fame. Most famous heartthrobs are better than average looking because of self-selection effects, but we can see the fame matters more because ugly famous men have more than their fair share of female attention. Teen girls tend to focus on looks as a matter of expedience (and lacking the self-awareness to know what it is about sexy badboys that they really like, this focus is understandable) but age out of it when they reach their late teens to early 20s, when male dominance and social savvy become equal or bigger attractors.]
I have seen girls go ga-ga over some pretty toe-up fellows, but although you may disagree, women do vary in their taste, even feminine women. I have been hit on by plenty of hideous, but status rich men, and I wasn’t feeling it.
[Like I said, my general observation is that masculinized women value male looks more than do feminine women.]
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@Flavia
I think a woman could become far more sexually attracted (to the point of becoming an emotional mess) to a man who’s not that good-looking, but who can sexually and emotionally dominate her, than to a good-looking man who isn’t that masculine and is more into sexually egalitarian relationships. Eventually, she’ll start asking herself how this good-looking guy she was initially attracted to for his good looks ended being such a puss. I’m telling you, in the long run, as long as a man has some physically masculine traits like an acceptable height (say 5’10” and over) and some muscle, while he is also sexually and emotionally dominating, he doesn’t have to be that good looking. He can be average looking and not even be that muscular to be lusted after. If anything, too much good looks in a man is somewhat effeminizing.
The problem with “50 shades”, the author repeatedly describes him as very good-looking. Somehow, it’s hard to believe that Adonis or Narcissus the narcissist would be paying so much sexual attention to the object of his lust and making her orgasm so much. The author erroneously thought women would swoon over this character if they thought he was so good looking. Her readers are not swooning over her description of him. They are swooning over what he’s doing to the girl, and over the idea of being in a sexually- dominating relationship with a man. That’s why there are swarms of women making sexual contracts with their men trying to emulate “50 shades,” and feverishly trying to turn their beta hubbies or BF into alphas.
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I pretty much agreed with you on an above post, but its stuck in moderation.
Of course a dominant man who has meh looks is better than a gorgeous guy who acts faggy (I was dating a male model once who I immediately dumped after our first kiss when he exclaimed- “That was amaaaaaazzzzziiiing.”)
All I am saying, is that for ME there is a certain threshold….an event horizon, if you will, of ugly/fat that I just won’t cross- HAVE REFUSED to cross- no matter how famous, or alpha or rich the dude is.
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In general, alphatude > looks. However, no one is going to complain if their alpha comes with a side of handsome🙂
OT: Is it time to start boiling the water!?!?!?!🙂
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Oops. Forgot to log in🙂
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[…] Cocky will be cocky, and good looking will be good looking, regardless of the time and place. This is something that women are supposed to get off on, right? I was a little confused and just let the conversation […]
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thats passing the jumbotron test with flying colors.
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>Some commenters are pointing out that the dude is good-looking.<
Mystery stated that all things being equal looks and height matter. But when are all things ever equal? Even with looks, money, or fame; one can DLV these DHVs away. One must still practice game, or at least not anti-game.
But men who are have looks or any other extreme DHV usually grow overconfident because of it.
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How do you “game” away a Hollywood actor or NBA star with 100 million dollars in the bank and his face on TV every day? Shouldn’t you be a little more realistic and just accept that you can’t compete with certain people?
Mystery can go into a club and be the center of attention. As soon as Tom Cruise enters the scene, Mystery is invisible and nobody will care about him. Do you really think a hot woman cares about Mystery’s “game” when one of the most famous people on earth is present?
“Game” will improve your chances with women in your league. But you guys have to stop dreaming that a guy with no money and no status can go ahead and score a Victoria’s Secret model. Leave your computer and get in contact with reality.
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I agree with everything you wrote. You can’t game that away. Nobody ever said that. With DHVs that high, there would never be a need for A1, but you would have to have hella comfort/rapport game for the average girl if you don’t want to be blowing her away. But that doesn’t mean a man with massive DHVs can’t DLV to the point of absurdity. Also look at the stupid move LeBron James made by getting married. You can still fuck yourself over if you don’t understand the dynamics.
But do you really think Kris Humphries is really in the same “league” as Kim Kardashian? How about Cloe and the NBA star she is with? That undergaming if you ask me. How about Jennifer Lopez and the young man she is with? He certainly has a lot of game to land her. I never heard of the guy before. It’s possible to game out your league.
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Agreed.
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Game has now been gamified, but from the wrong perspective:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/douche-defender-protect-yourself/id631892164
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Just want to say – I’ve been using nothing but “I am God.” and “Bend over.” as my two ways to first contact massive groups of avg-to-hot girls on OKC and POF and it’s actually a GREAT way to start off.
It’s a little hard to tell which works better. I think “I am God” is more likely to give you a decent chance. On the other hand “Bend over” is apparently the right thing that some girls go nuts to hear. (I found earlier commenter’s research interesting and surprising: perhaps the girls aren’t receiving quite as many raunchy first-emails as you might suspect.)
Make sure to trim your profile, only have the hottest, too-cool-for-school, look-away from camera, least-rube-iest pictures of yourself, and pump it up with the clear mindset of “I am the most fucking awesome ever.” Be kind of a bro about it. Stay straight-faced. You don’t have to be the same in real life, just get her from online -> real world.
In other words, you have to make your profile congruent – trim ANYTHING remotely rube-y, and add a few jaw-droppingly arrogant statements about something you’re awesome about.
Sad, but this stuff is NOT ineffective.
The girls who will consider putting out for you are the ones that respond to your two-word fuck-head arrogant opener.
It doesn’t matter what they say. Usually it will be like “whaaa?” or “not for you buddy.” Do NOT lose frame. The simple fact that they responded means they are somewhat interested in where this might go.
The examples in the article are maybe 20% too extreme to have a good success rate. Stay very sexual, but not rapey-pornographic, and as soon as possible, switch from “emotionless, over-sexed confidence gorilla” to a more personally-congruent style.
Finally, don’t get too excited.
You will get enough attention to bang several chicks.
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