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Body Men Vs Face Men

May 17, 2013 by CH

If a man is presented with a choice between a butterface (ugly face, hot body, everything “but her face”) and a myspace angle (cute face, ugly body), his decision will depend in part on whether he’s down for a short-term fling or if he’s seeking a long-term lover.

The reason for this is not hard to figure out upon reflection: the prime directive is to survive and reproduce, and that means, for men, getting seed into womb (or wombs, as the opportunity may present). A man with pump and dumps on his mind will shift focus to girls with highly fertile bodies, placing less emphasis on their faces. His dividing rod will target women with 0.7 WHRs, 17-23 BMIs, fruitfully ripening in the age range of 22-29. Since he’s not planning on investing much time or energy in his little red curvette, he doesn’t sweat the worry of romantically gazing into the limpid eyes of a plain jane year after year.

A man who is more K-selected, i.e., more NW European white or East Asian (ain’t I a steenker!), feels a cosmic pull toward hitching himself to a woman for the long term so that his few kids have a shot to thrive in a resource-restricted environment. It’s the quality over quantity strategy. To this man, a woman’s facial prettiness matters, a lot. He’s gotta look at her and provide for her for a long time, and he won’t be much inspired to do either if her face isn’t intoxicating. The body is still important (fat chicks left out in cold again, news at 11), but now the contours of her face have become a crucial determinant of her acceptability as a mate. His dividing rod will be recalibrated toward younger women — ages late adolescence to mid-20s — with large, expressive eyes, small chins and jaws, and exquisitely molded subcutaneous fat deposits.

This is the theory. In practice, such choices rarely come up, because there is a strong correlation between a woman’s facial prettiness and her body attractiveness. When a rift between body and face does occur in the same woman, it is typically a butterface. Homely-faced women with slender boffable bodies are more common than pretty-faced women with unappealing bodies. Fat chicks stir the needle a little toward myspace anglers, but just a little, because it doesn’t take much weight gain until a girl’s face begins to display the deformity that is evident in her body. Another example of the myspace angler is the masculinized woman with a striking model-esque face tethered to a curveless body built for spiking volleyballs.

Another point worth making is that men, regardless of their mating strategies, will only choose between butterfaces and myspace anglers when they HAVE to choose. Most men, given a free choice, will choose women who are blessed with both. Plotting cads and plodding dads will both choose the woman who has it all, face and body (and yeah, personality too, I guess) if such a woman is a real prospect.

Originally, this post was meant as conjecture, based on observation and hunch. But to my surprise, there are ♥♥♥STUDIES♥♥♥ available for perusal which have looked into the issue of male preference for female body versus female face and how that preference might change depending on a man’s mating strategy. These studies, naturally, confirm CH hunches, as they almost always do, because it’s hard to be disproven by SCIENCE when you simply keep your eyes open to watch how the world works.

PS The Area Code Rating System is a handy method for efficiently categorizing your dates by their bangability and relationship worthiness. If you regularly hook up with 000s, might I suggest you lay off the absinthe?

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  1. on May 17, 2013 at 2:21 pm Pill Scout

    I always get confused when my pals say “Hey, she had a pretty face”.

    No shit. You think anyone would just grab a pair of tits if they were attached to a bulldog? I take pretty faces for granted. I really only notice and acknowledge the pretty face with the pretty everything else.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm Greg Eliot

      First I look at the purse.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 4:41 pm OralCummings

        I check for camel toe!! Then iI look up….

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 7:45 am Canadian Friend

        That is a $3000 joke!

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 1:18 pm Anonymous

        All is vanity. Everything is chasing after wind.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 12:57 am Alan J. Perrick

        Pretty accurate.

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      • on May 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm Da Losats Cockas

        that is absolutely fucking hilaaaaaaaaaaaaaarious. wow

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  2. on May 17, 2013 at 2:22 pm Zombie Shane

    When I was younger, I was totally a body guy [I came from a background in competitive sports as a kid, and I couldn’t stand the site of cottage cheese or varicose veins or big hips], but lately I am gravitating strongly towards the face.

    Excellent analysis.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm Zombie Shane

      And big tits.

      Bitch can be a “10” in the face and a “10” in the rest of the body, but them tiny little “S-Cups” are a deal-breaker.

      Huge tits.

      Massive tits.

      The bigger the better.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm Honcho the Aardvark

        Unfortunately, massive tits are almost always tethered to a massive everything else. Gimme a girl with a pretty face, tight ass, and petite perky tits in the B-cup range.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 3:21 pm maurice

        Women with huge tits and slender bodies are rare miracles of nature.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 10:53 pm gaoxiaen

        Or surgery. I see that often here in Asia nowadays.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm Matthew

        Or Jews.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 3:22 pm Zombie Shane

        Nah, B-Cups just don’t do it for me anymore.

        Even C-Cups are marginal.

        These days, I’d honestly rather spend time with a big fat stupid Kim Kardashian [modulo the orangutan in her womb]:

        http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eHbj4sije9A/UOSkQRDW2qI/AAAAAAAAAG0/77WeXHgnngs/s1600/kim-kardashian-pregnant-bikini.jpg

        than with some rail-thin heroin-chic anorexic skeleton like a Maria Shriver or a Huma Abedin:



        http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/huma-abedin-consultant-state-91503.html

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 4:27 pm intjguy

        Agree with Honcho.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 am FWG

        I’m with you.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 10:10 pm corvinus

        Try German or Polish chicks.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 6:44 am Matthew King

        Or Serbs or Balts, and under 20.

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  3. on May 17, 2013 at 2:25 pm Zombie Shane

    “S-Cups” = “A-Cups”

    I can’t type worth a fuck with the kids crawling all over my ass.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm redpillmtl

      She can’t be a 10 in body with itty bitty tits

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:37 pm Southern Man

      Give me an A-cup Angel any day.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 10:54 pm gaoxiaen

      I kind of like the idea of S-cups.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 7:58 am Canadian Friend

        S for stealth; can’t see them, can’t find them…

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  4. on May 17, 2013 at 2:38 pm PetiteOlive

    Truth is, hot bod + cute face + <28 years old = scoring some pretty decent men who would treat you really nice. Bonus points if personality is likable, then the high betas/alphas would even want to keep you around much longer. FACT.

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  5. on May 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm feministx

    Oh a post after my own heart. The butterface predicament does not seem to be my problem though. It’s been so many years since any guy has tried to STR me rather than LTR me.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm Honcho the Aardvark

      Show me your face. Maybe I’ll bang you.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 5:34 pm feministx

        Why darling, what would I ever do without you?

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 10:06 pm anon

        @ honcho

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 10:09 pm anon

        @honcho

        here is here face…no bullshit

        http://postimg.org/image/8m5u6s7af/

        what a dissapointment, to be honest…..kinda butterface-ish

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 9:17 pm Anti-Blue Pill

      Id face fuck you

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 1:00 am Alan J. Perrick

      This broad is crazy…

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  6. on May 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm corvinus

    This would definitely explain why hot bodies and ugly faces are associated with r-selected African and Latina women and so-so bodies and cute faces with K-selected European and Asian women.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm feministx

      QQ- where do you think south asian women fall in that? I can’t actually tell if they tend to have better bodies or faces.

      [CH: Ashwarya Rai (sp?) was once considered, rightfully so imo, the most beautiful woman in the world.]

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 3:03 pm corvinus

        Dunno… it kind of depends. Even in Europe, there are butterface pockets such as Poland — which has been known for having high birth rates, until recently. (Coincidence? Again, dunno.)

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 8:06 am anonymous

        CH didn’t address chicks with hot faces and chubby bodies. They’re STRs too.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm Hector_St_Clare

        Eh. I live in Michigan, which is like Polish-American Central, and most of the Polish-American girls I know are just pretty/hot in general. With pretty faces too. I’ve shared that opinion with others and they generally confirm it.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 3:15 pm feministx

        She’s high caste south Indian. A lot of people seem to think that north Indians have more “aryan” faces, but North Indians typically actually have more middle eastern arab/Persian mixture in them and their beautiful women tend to have larger noses and less neotonous faces like middle eastern women often do. It’s mainly a small percentage of high caste south Indians that retain the look of Indian “classical beauty”, possibly because muslim invaders did not penetrate that well into the south. Aishwarya (no idea how to spell it either) is to South Asian sort of what some like Charlize Theron is to Northern European.

        A typical north indian actress looks like this:

        To me, the middle eastern influence is apparent.

        A pretty south Indian actress is Freida Pinto for example:

        She has that doll faced classical indian look.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 9:51 pm corvinus

        South Indian and Sri Lankan girls, at least the better-off ones, can be knockouts. I also often point out that if Europeans had brown skin, we wouldn’t be Africans, we’d be South Indians.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm whorefinder

        Yeah, but mostly the Germanic peoples. The Nazis in their genetic research established a lot of data pointing out that, yes, the Aryan Theory—that Germanic and Upper-Cast Indian people are more closely related than they are to lower caste/Southern Europeans—is quite true. The Indo-European language/culture theory is quite mainstream in anthropology, philology, history, etc.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 4:50 pm corvinus

        Ironically, the Indo-Aryans are more closely related to the Baltic and Slavic peoples than the Germans… dunno why Hitler had to consider the Poles and Russians untermenschen.

        South Indians are actually non-Indo-European, like the Basques, Hungarians, and Finns in Europe. Nevertheless, they seem to have higher IQs than North Indians, which, together with the existence of gypsies in Europe, makes me consider the desirability of “Aryanness” to be way overblown.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 4:53 pm corvinus

        Slight clarification: Basques, Hungarians, and Finns have never struck me as being stupid, to put it lightly.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 10:46 pm whorefinder

        Agreed: Aryan superiority is largely a judgment value, but the Indo-European relationship is pretty well established genetically.

        But it’s always better than being a nigger!

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 8:31 am Lily

        “South Indian and Sri Lankan girls, at least the better-off ones, can be knockouts.”

        Please, they are all hairy. If you like arm and mustache hair on girls, then Indian girls are for you. In addition, while some of them do have nice straight hair, most of them have very curly wild hair. And let’s not forget about the lack of smooth facial skin. Please, you guys are grasping at straws. Just because there are a few Indian actresses who have been sufficiently tweezed and whose hair has been treated with hair straighteners and lighted a couple of shades, doesn’t make most Indian women beautiful. Oh and I forgot the worst part; they all smell like turmeric.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 3:08 am Avenroad

        Pinto. A Portuguese must have snuck into the family tree.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm corvinus

        Indian Catholics often have Portuguese names, even though they have no Portuguese ancestry whatsoever. Exactly like Filipinos with Spanish names.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 10:45 pm whorefinder

        True story: vindaloo, a common Indian dish, is actually derived from a Portuguese dish. Portuguese sailors–who did a lot of sailing on the East Coast of Africa and the Indian Ocean in the 15th and 16th centuries–brought the dish with them whilst screwing the local girl,s who adapted it to Indian/South Asian foods.

        Lots of distant Portuguese blood there.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 7:44 am Vgv

        Would bang

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 7:17 pm Primus

        which are you?

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 10:38 am feministx

        Im south indian brahmin- the same sub caste of a sub caste as padma lakshmi, who is related to me distantly. I don’t have a distinctly high caste or classically proportioned face though. Not quite as cacausoid as some people in my family. But my body type is typical for my kind.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 7:45 pm Primus

        sounds promising, in theory

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 5:57 am Subway Masturbator

        every single Indian you meet is a “Brahmin.” Who says it’s true?

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 5:00 pm doclove

        I would say that South Asians tend to cluster closer to Europeans in body shape and facial shape(or skull shape)than other races as far as bodies and faces yet skin complexion is closer to Africans. East Asians concentrate heavily towards pretty faces, but not so great bodies. Africans(if they haven’t gotten fat) tend towards nice bodies, but with poor facial shapes meaning ugly faces. NOTE: It’s not skin color that is hurting African woman as much as poor facial shape because South Asian Women are nearly as dark yet have better faces on average because their facial shapes are more pleasing to my eyes and most other men I know. Europeans and South Asians tend to be in the middle regarding beautiful faces and beautiful bodies yet cluster more to having pretty faces and ok bodies on average.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 7:31 pm el sid

        re african women, i actually think, the hair is more of a stickler. something i had to get used to. Actual african women as in women from the african continent are very feminine and at least during their fertile years have feminine faces.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 10:09 pm corvinus

        Depends on the nationality, and even the ethnic group. East African women seem to have better faces on average than West African.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 10:57 pm whorefinder

        True. East African are very close to Indian women genetically, and Indian women are hot.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 11:47 am Naruto Uzumaki

        you indian? my answer is a big no, the indians that look like tanned europeans look good, but most indian are caucasian but with something different (like the arabs) ,besides malnutrition in India is widespread, as bad as in Africa therefore indians tend to be short and thin, their vegan diet maybe plays a part on it too

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm whorefinder

        Everyone but you, dyke. Everyone but you.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 am feministx

        Get raped and die, hunny.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 9:38 pm whorefinder

        Imitation is the sincerest form of penis envy, baby.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 10:28 am feministx

        Well that makes my job easy, don’t it?

        RAPE!

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 7:33 am Primus

        strap-on fantasies, now?

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 8:01 pm el sid

      depends on what you mean by latinas. Most amero-indo latinas seems to have better bodies than asians but worse than blacks or europeans, whereas in the face they are better than blacks only imho. Now some of the more exotic latinas like puerto ricans, dominicans are trully high quality in all areas. IMHO In the ripe age of 15-25 as long as they are not unusually fugly and/or a whale women from most parts of the world would be considered beautiful/cute/hot by most men around the world. (excluding australian abo and some other outliers.)

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 7:48 am Flavia

        “Most amero-indo latinas seems to have better bodies than asians ”

        This is extremely misinformed. Latin women with mostly European extraction have good bodies DESPITE having Amerindian roots, because they tend to stay thin. However, true Amerindian women have the WORST bodies- they are all pretty much very apple shaped, with wide ribcages/backs, too thin legs and no WHR to speak of. East Asian women have nice WHR but most tend to be cursed with stubby legs thanks so their long torsos.

        Europeans have a better leg/torso distribution (in between Blacks and Asians)….and if they werent so fat would have the best bodies.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 4:59 pm corvinus

        Amerindians, in line with other races that have subsisted on tropical low-starch starvation diets (Australian abos, Pacific Islanders, Africans) are extremely susceptible to obesity. Among Latin women, the more Amerindian ancestry, the worse the obesity rate.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 6:46 am Matthew King

        You’ve got some great stuff on this thread. Were do you pick this info up?

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  7. on May 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm Jeremy

    I prefer the binary system.

    1 – Would.
    0 – Would Not.

    This is both realistic

    [CH: But it’s not. For example: a 5 and an 8 could both rank as 1s on a man’s scale, but in reality, that man, if he can, will choose the 8 over the 5 EVERY TIME.]

    and more fair to the ladies when they realize that 80-90% of women are 1’s.

    [The number of women who would qualify as 1s depends mostly on the man doing the qualifying. An alpha male with options will have a smaller pool of 1s than an omega male with few options who must take what he can get. This is the problem with the 1 or 0 system: it leaves no room for the real world, where a woman’s looks are objectively measurable, non-discrete, and subjectively relative to other women’s looks.]

    It also demonstrates the greatest male power in the dating world, we’re easy.

    [Not as easy as women hope. Most men do exercise discriminating taste, and where men are “easier” it’s usually only as regards to their judgment of women as short term sexual outlets. When contemplating women for relationships, men get a lot choosier.]

    If a 1 here isn’t willing, there’s another 1 over there. It forces a choice, *the* choice, to be experienced by both parties often. It also appropriately evens the SMV value field, imo.

    [This logic doesn’t follow. If all women are bangable, then women don’t have to put effort into pleasing men. They can get fat and sloppy and the boys will line up regardless. But that doesn’t happen in real life. Fat and sloppy women get rejected or cruelly pumped and dumped.]

    This is not to say that a greater number-base system of rating shouldn’t exist, just that realistically, as a guy, my most useful card is in being able to move on because the grass is always greener.

    [If all your acceptable women are 1s, then the grass is never greener. The grass is the same everywhere. Hence, the need for a 1-10 scale.]

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 8:35 pm Karl

      >> man, if he can, will choose the 8 over the 5 EVERY TIME

      I offer myself as a man who first does a binary selection for young-and-slim, and then after that, pays more attention to the grayscale resolution of low-maintenance and low-hassle. Yes, I travel to destinations where beauty is common. So this might not apply in the West.

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  8. on May 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm man reader

    No contest. Butter face every time for me, by a mile. Whether for one night stand or LTR or marriage. By 10 miles. As long as the reason for the butter face is not acne. Little bit of a big nose but with innocent eyes and banging ballerina body? Sign me up!!! It’s all about tight ass, perfect legs, thin arms, tight tummy, and small (but not nonexistent) *natural* boobies.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm euronymous

      Yup

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 5:16 pm syon

      “Little bit of a big nose” does not a butterface make. Think of a giant, hooked nose plus man-jaw combined with beady little eyes and flat cheekbones. Would a ballerina body makeup for all that?

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 11:01 pm whorefinder

        I think of the character of “Dogface” from Four Weddings and A Funeral, although her body wasn’t rocking, but good.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 7:47 am Man reader

        Good point I was actually thinking that what I’m basically talking about is what I call a seven and yeah the face is still pretty and attractive and kissable

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  9. on May 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm Ludwig Von Bern

    CH, I’m curious as to why you chose “dividing rod” rather than “divining rod.” I am only familiar with the latter. Cheers.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:13 pm Honcho the Aardvark

      What does one use this rod for? Dividing labia, of course.

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  10. on May 17, 2013 at 3:09 pm maurice

    the contours of her face have become a crucial determinant of her acceptability as a mate. His dividing rod will be recalibrated toward younger women — ages late adolescence to mid-20s — with large, expressive eyes, small chins and jaws, and exquisitely molded subcutaneous fat deposits.

    There’s an evo-psych explanation for this- beauty correlates to facial symmetry (***studies*** have shown this), which is a marker for genetic health (resistance to mutation). For the opposite, think how movie villains and degenerates are usually cast–typecast–as craggy, lumpen, misshapen, or posessing of some scar-like flaw. Those are markers for the opposite emotions- fear, threat, mistrust. In movieland, at least, but still, there’s a lot of real-world audience savvy in typecasting physical traits with certain character traits. It taps into real, visceral responses in a mass audience.

    CH, feel free to draw on this insight for “Great Scenes of Game (in Horror Films)” Based of course on a corollary- that females are often attracted to the threatening dominant badboy, which in some ultimate sense could be a movie monster or serial killer or uber-villiain. That’s one of several reasons why slasher/horror films are totally a female genre: in addition to loving having the bejeezus scared out of them (feeling vulnerable) there’s an undercurrent of attraction to the slasher. But I digress.

    the small chin is the opposite of a manjaw- marker for feminity, submissiveness, etc. Large eyes are neoteny- the presence of childlike or infantlike traits in adults. This signifies youth = fertility, though the mixing of the post- and pre-puberty signals is a little creepy. There’s also a theory that this is one reason high heels are attractive to women- in addition to the swaying of the hips and ass, it lengthens the appearance of the leg, and that disproportionate leg-torso ratio takes place in girls during that last growth spurt to adulthood- age 14-15, or the onset of fertility.

    Of course the eye takes all this in in an instant and the subconcious “hindbrain” processes it all in an instant. So all this shows that there’s more to it than just-

    He’s gotta look at her and provide for her for a long time, and he won’t be much inspired to do either if her face isn’t intoxicating

    Inspiration got nuttin’ ta do wid’ it. Hindbrain all the way.

    Sorry for geeky comment- longtime readers wil have seen it all before.

    I’d say a tight hot body is a stronger marker for youth and fertility than a pretty face, which can remain pretty longer as a woman ages, so maybe that explains the fuck-and-run impulse- with the facial symmetry etc. above signaling healthier offspring worth investing in.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm maurice

      I meant high heels are attractive *on* women.

      Just checked out the area code system- pretty good! A little more granular than the 1-10 system, with the toggle in the middle.

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  11. on May 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm The Karamazov Idea

    Another thing to consider is that a chubby woman with a good face will likely work to get in shape for an alpha if she’s actively pursuing an alpha. I know girls whose weights could shift from chubby into the acceptable range in under 3 months if they thought their chances of securing an alpha were good. Of course the betas who put more than 3 months of work in to her affection cried, whined and complained when suddenly the now-attractive girl drifted out of their pudgy sweat-laced grasps.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 3:42 pm AW

      ^True. I recently had a decently cute but slightly too chubby girl that was way into me once ask me why I friend-zoned her. I told her bluntly she needed to lose weight. She lost 10 lbs in a month and a half. I did it as an amusing social experiment but was even surprised myself at the quick results. I feel accomplished for making the world the better place, for her and for everyone.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 4:31 pm intjguy

        You should reward her with an FWB.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 am INTJ

        Actually wait. Is it “an FWB” or “a FWB”? Is “FWB” pronounced as eff-dubya-bee or friends-with-benefits?

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  12. on May 17, 2013 at 3:24 pm Losats Cockas

    Damn the great CHz has beenz on a posting fury frnezy latelyz!!!

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEAWSZE DO NOT TRY THIS AT home as da Losats Cockas needs you out there buying the butter facezz drinks and gettngn them druniksz before they comez eot da Losats Cockasz’ house in response to lozolzozlz texts for buthexing sessionzi!!

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  13. on May 17, 2013 at 3:34 pm AW

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/42359/topless-women-in-public-not-breaking-the-law-says-nypd

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  14. on May 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm FuriousFerret

    People usually gravitate towards what they are good at in the first place. That’s why pretty faces usually have a hot body attached to it. They know that beauty is strength and they focus on maximizing it. I think the ugly ones simply just don’t see the benefit of having a fit body since they can’t snag an alpha anyways and just say ‘fuck it I’m getting fat, love me the way I am’.

    You see this in humans in general. Athletic guys go to gym to become even stronger and faster. Nerds study science and computers to become even more learned. Then they all argue about why the other guy’s talent is stupid and worthless instead of going to the gym if you’re a nerd or maybe reading books on intelligent subjects if you’re a meathead. It’s probably due that vast majority of people really do take the path of least resistance. It’s painful for a geek to get started with weights and stick to it likewise jock to understand eloquence and other intelligent endeavors.

    Contrast is king for this very reason because people that have it all are rare and if you can even give the impression that you are a renaissance man, then you’re ahead of the game.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 pm gaoxiaen

      I read a (nonfiction) book when I warm up on a stationary bicycle at the gym. I leave it in my locker and go through one about every two weeks.

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 6:48 am Matthew King

      Excellent observation.

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  15. on May 17, 2013 at 4:22 pm Greatest Beta

    Off topic but worth mentioning. Stocks hit yet ANOTHER record high with the S&P ending at 1666. Bernanke wins again

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm Libertardian

      This relentless daily upward march looks like topping behavior to me, but then markets are now so distorted it’s hard to say. Livermore was wrong when he said there was nothing new under the sun. He never imagined government intervention like this in his worst nightmares.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 6:54 pm Greatest Beta

        Seriously looking to sell some ES perhaps a 1700 handle on the SPX is possible. At this point doesn’t hurt to sell a few contracts 🙂

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 6:07 am Hugh G. Rection

        Famous last words. Don’t fight the trend.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 8:37 pm el sid

        markets have always been distorted, question is to what degree, nowadays there’s a lot of macro manipulation going on. Anyway the chart says distortion or not the market is infact in the process of topping imho. Distortions get shaken out in the long run. I have started to inch in slowly with SH ( spy inverse ).

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  16. on May 17, 2013 at 4:27 pm yourbus

    “Off topic but worth mentioning. Stocks hit yet ANOTHER record high with the S&P ending at 1666. Bernanke wins again”

    And your box of cornflakes just went to $6, dolt.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 9:50 pm Libertardian

      Though oil is still under control and precious metals have been brutalized. I’m hoping the latter reverses after the stock bubble cracks.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 10:54 pm Greatest Beta

        Seriously got to love how the Central Planners have crude trading at $95 while equities go bananas. Under a normal market crude would rise to $135 alongside equities which would in turn create a ceiling on how high stocks can go. Probably got the CBs alongside with their primary dealers hammering crude futures

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 6:09 am Hugh G. Rection

        Quite a lot of ignorance right there. Central Banks don’t trade in the futures market.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm Greatest Beta

        Ignorance on whose end? CBs are outright buying equity futures (Japan), what about the libor scandal, a collaborated effort to keep crude sub 100 doesn’t sound like ignorance on my end but denial on yours.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 10:13 pm J1

        Huh? Ever heard of the Efficient Market Hypothesis?

        Look if you think the market is “wrong” buy the side you like and short the other.

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  17. on May 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm Libertardian

    “Hugs Shyster, still feeling guilty about screwing a bunch of much younger coeds”

    I bet he feels a lot more guilty about everyone else who’s doing it. All part of the liberal mantra:

    Coeds for me,
    spinsters for thee

    Diversity for thee,
    racism for me

    Guns for me,
    prayer for thee

    Socialism for me,
    capitalism for thee

    etc.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 8:13 pm INTJ

      Hugo Shyster is the biggest hypocrite out there. He had his fun at everyone else’s expense and now he wants to turn around and lecture everyone.

      His constant misandry is due to projection on his part. He assumes all men are extreme douchebags like he was. So when Hugo sees a nice guy, he assumes the guy is doing it to get in the girl’s pants and act entitled to sex, not because he’s a genuinely nice guy. Same with every other male action he sees.

      That’s why the feminists love him. He’s a walking feminist caricature of patriarchy.

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 9:57 pm Libertardian

        He’s the pussyhound version of an “enlightened” (aka “I got mine”) capitalist.

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      • on May 18, 2013 at 9:01 am Holden Caulfield

        Absolutely. If feminism is the court, then Hugo Shyster is the court jester.

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  18. on May 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm Rum

    But…

    Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 11:40 pm gaoxiaen

      Tequila or mescal.

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    • on May 19, 2013 at 4:36 pm feministx

      I have to high five this comment. Too clever.

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  19. on May 17, 2013 at 5:27 pm Anonymous2

    I can’t agree with this. Fat chicks are usually the most naturally feminine women, with a bad tendency towards docility induced flabbiness. Beautiful bodies in this age almost always come with a manjaw.

    There’s a reason why K selected beta males instinctively go for the fatties. They’re very close to alpha quality in nature, but just pudgy as a consequence of modern decadence. Every once in a while one of them gets her act together and simply transforms.

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  20. on May 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm thebigpappy

    Why think so hard about all this stuff? Men have had a working system for thousands of years: there is the wife with a pretty face, and there is the mistress with the hot body.

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  21. on May 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm Rum

    Re: Neanderthal love.
    Just recently got my DNA results. I had gotten a pretty good intuitive notion before-hand and so that definitely made it even more fascinating to learn that I am in the upper percentile of N origins.
    Stupid equalists touted the idea that N genes were a stigma that Europeans should bear. To make them humble, I suppose. Then it got noticed that one region of the world was miraculously free of the taint.
    Too late.

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 10:55 am Canadian Friend

      There was documentary on PBS about how much neanderthal genes humans have in them.

      of course it turns out that whites have a lot of neanderthal in them while blacks have very little.

      and of course they think white people killed all the neanderthals

      they seemed a little too happy to tell black people they had little neanderthal in them.

      it was as if the purpose of the documentary was to make black people feel good about themselves

      watching that it felt more like white guilt than science.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 12:10 pm Northman

        Neanderthals > Sapiens

        The proof is in the pudding

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm Greg Eliot

        Yeah, but we still got a lot to Cro about.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 8:17 am Canadian Friend

        Yeah, it is too early to cave in.

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    • on May 19, 2013 at 4:40 pm corvinus

      Supposedly, the ancestors of Europeans picked up our unique hair and eye colors from the ‘thals. But more importantly, it would seem, bigger brain cases.

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  22. on May 17, 2013 at 6:16 pm W

    My BMI is 23.8

    😥

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  23. on May 17, 2013 at 6:16 pm W

    My waist-hip ratio is 0.76

    😥

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  24. on May 17, 2013 at 6:56 pm WillBest

    I get the feeling that faces are more likely to survive pregnancy. Case in point my wife was an 816 when I married her. 3 kids and 10 years she is 815. And she has had to work to get that 5 back after each one.

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  25. on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 pm el sid

    buttaface for now, cutiepie for later.

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  26. on May 17, 2013 at 8:35 pm whorefinder

    Regarding, Butterfaces:

    Extreme butterfaces–where the face is massively disproportionately ugly compared to a really banging body–likewise segregate into two extreme camps—1) overly apologetic/giving; or 2) total hard cunt bitches–lawyer-types.

    #1’s are really easy pickups and pushovers. I’ve had butterfaces waking me up with bj’s on the first night lay—and not because they’re dynamically into it, just to keep me around. Any cock demands are welcome–cheat on them, but demand fidelity, etc.

    #2’s are really #1’s, but have the hard bitch shield and feminimus hamsteritis to the max. But, like a black girl, once you bust through that bullshit —hard asshole game if you got it—you can get them to do even more to them than the nice girl butterfaces. Their bitch shields mask more insecurity than the nicey ones. got one lawyer cunt to agree to be pimped out at a sex club before I joked that I was “just kidding.”

    Bonus: butterface bitches usually have corporate/law jobs, and will pay for your shit. Nice girls tend to have secretarial/cashier/lower class jobs, and can’t afford it.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 10:04 pm corvinus

      got one lawyer cunt to agree to be pimped out at a sex club before I joked that I was “just kidding.”

      Did you clown-rape her?

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      • on May 17, 2013 at 10:53 pm whorefinder

        I reserve the best for those who deserve it. Lawyer cunts barely deserve gutter rape. Rappacini’s Daughter, on the other hand….

        Rape!

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  27. on May 17, 2013 at 8:54 pm Johnny Caustic

    It’s mainly her body that fuels my erections; not so much her face. Am I alone in that?

    On the other hand, a pretty face is much more important afterward, when I’m expected to talk to her.

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    • on May 17, 2013 at 10:54 pm whorefinder

      Just cover it in your jizz and then make her wear it.

      Or do something “sexy” like have her wear a mask…and keep it on afterwards.

      Rape!

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  28. on May 17, 2013 at 9:27 pm Anti-Blue Pill

    The other day i anally dry raped a cute midget in a back alley of a plant parenthood building in full bozo the clown Regalia, the problem is she keeps stalking me.

    What should an honest rapist do about her?

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  29. on May 17, 2013 at 9:33 pm Body Men Vs Face Men « PUA Central

    […] Body Men Vs Face Men […]

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  30. on May 17, 2013 at 10:44 pm Rum

    Hey Nicole
    I still want you back.
    I never got enough of your brown -sugar love.
    Just remove the rest of your teeth and gargle with 4% lidocaine for long enough to annihilate any surviving gag-reflex. I say this as a friend. I do not want to ever have to explain again too many rope-burns on a naked lady when the police show up.

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  31. on May 17, 2013 at 11:08 pm Rum

    Hey Nicole
    I will bring the 4% lidocaine swirly-swallow if you can gaurantee 100% suppression of your natural gag reflex. Most of your your teeth can stay…
    I think you understand the problem. Neither one of us would want to have to explain to the cops, the many rope burns around your breasts and thighs.

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 12:10 am Nicole

      You’re too late. I’ve already found the sadist of my dreams. Besides, lidocaine is for the weak, and sugar free gummy worms are enough protection from teeth.

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  32. on May 17, 2013 at 11:30 pm intjguyI

    Thanks everyone for your survey responses! Results are out:

    http://monogamygame.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/attractiveness-rating-calibration/

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  33. on May 18, 2013 at 12:13 am Scott

    Women’s bodies peak between 22-29??? Did I read that correctly?

    [CH: The latest science shows that female fertility peaks around the mid-20s, but female fertility SIGNALS peak in late adolescence. This probably evolved because pair-bonding men chose younger women with greater RRV (Residual Reproductive Value) as mates.]

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    • on May 23, 2013 at 9:19 am Glengarry

      An earlier study I think I read here indicated the peak is at 22. That fits a second try after pairing up at 15 and failing. At age 7, the kid can join the village herd of orphans to fend for itself if need be.

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  34. on May 18, 2013 at 1:22 am INTJ

    Oh and while we’re on the topic of good faces, perhaps some white knights could save this girl from ruining her great face by getting a nose-job…

    Or forget white knighting. Do it out of interest for your fellow man. It benefits men to have better looking women around.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Rateme/comments/1eh4l1/f_20_thinking_of_getting_a_nose_job_next_year_so/

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    • on May 19, 2013 at 1:48 pm haunted trilobite

      seems like they’re on it like white knights on rice

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  35. on May 18, 2013 at 1:53 am lightlybraisedturnipdotcom

    Bodies can improve, although fat chicks rarely can be convinced to lose weight on their own. I’m not even sure they can if they decide to.

    On the other hand, women in SoCal are all so thin that East Coast women that move here — over months or years — get skinnier. It must be better diets and more activity. Maybe also they soak in the competitive dating environment and adapt.

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  36. on May 18, 2013 at 5:46 am Lad

    I recall reading about a study a long time ago that looked at this from the female angle. They compared the mating strategies of women along with their facial attractiveness and waist-hip ratio. They found similar results. Basically that low WHR women were more aggressive up front, trying to secure a mate early (which presumably includes slut strategies). Pretty face women were more likely to hold out for the long-term mate.

    Wish I could find the actual paper.

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  37. on May 18, 2013 at 5:56 am Lad

    Incidentally I do think that the “face guy vs. body guy” will probably see the greatest variance in the 8-ish range given girls who all have a good BMI and natural proportions, but some have a 9 face with 7 WHR (.7+) compared to girls with 7 face and a 9 WHR (.6-.7).

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  38. on May 18, 2013 at 7:07 am Matthew Thomas

    I can forgive a lot for a pretty face, as well as blonde hair and big tits.

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  39. on May 18, 2013 at 7:35 am Uncle Elmer

    Breaking news : Hugo uses celebrity-science to pen priceless older man-younger woman essay on “The Atlantic”. He also drops a few gems about us geezers and our ForeignBrides. Too much material, too little time. I got a day job and can’t join the fray.

    Please sir, I know you don’t post on weekends because that would violate your lounge shtick but make an exception in this case for “the common good” :

    http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/05/what-if-men-stopped-chasing-much-younger-women/275916/

    I would post a comment on The Atlantic but Tanisha Coates got me banned for suggesting he only pretended to like “rap” music because he thought it annoyed white people.

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 6:50 am Matthew King

      … because that would violate your lounge shtick …

      LOL

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  40. on May 18, 2013 at 10:32 am Omega_Dork

    For once I totally disagree with you! I’ve found that if you like someone their face becomes more attractive over time plus that sparkle in their eyes can overcome a certain amount of ugliness, but no amount of time will make that body look better. I think it is for that very reason that white men can go for east Asian women, and white women can find African men attractive.

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 8:30 am Canadian Friend

      to me, a 6 who smiles a lot can be as attractive as an 8 who has a permanent pissed off-bitchy look on her face.

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  41. on May 18, 2013 at 10:42 am Nigel

    Interesting post. I definitely agree with it. Me, I would prefer a woman’s face and body to be nice, but if had to choose one I would pick face. I mean you have to wake up to that every morning if she’s your gf. Anyways, I apologize for being so off topic with what I’m about to say, but can you guys give me your advice/opinions on this situation. Sorry for it being so long. Can you give me your take on this and tell me where I went wrong? When I was working for Cirque du Soleil temp job I met a lot of people. And from the first day of training I was very attracted to this girl named Lida. (She is a 7.5) We talked quite a few times during the 2 months there and on the second to last day of the job (Sunday) I asked her out when walking with her and her friends. (My delivery was terrible, I just said hi Lida, I know you busy with school, but I would you like to hang out sometime? I should of talked to her more and ease into it. Instead of just diving into a number close like an idiot.)

    And she just said she would give me her number on Monday and that her and all her friends still all plan on hanging out TOGETHER!!! (She emphasized that last part.) And I said alright and walked ahead of them and to the train station, but then it dawned on me she was lying because she wasn’t interested in me and didn’t want to hurt my feelings. Because earlier in the day when I asked her if she was working monday she said no. Let me remind you this is a girl I liked alot and didn’t just want to fuck. I wanted her to be my gf and charm her and get to know her.

    The thing I’m confused about is that in the very beginning of the job, one day I went up to her smiling alot and energetic and said hi Lida how u doing? And she just stared at me with a serious face. So I felt like she hurt my feelings and after that I just started to avoid her and stopped liking her. (ie. one time I was sitting at a table with my other co-workers talking and she walks in and sits at the table. And literally one min after she sits down I just get up and move further away.)

    So I started to act cold towards her, but not rude. (ie. not looking her in the eye that much when she would talk to me, not smile when she would, etc) And I started to talk to other girls there and try to get to know them and all of a sudden she starts liking me, but I didn’t believe it so I just said to myself, “She’s just being nice” Then on two different days while I’m working on the register she hugs me from behind in front of everyone and says I’m so cute.

    I thought she was just being friendly so I dismissed it and stayed serious, cause I didn’t want my feelings hurt again. But, I overheard her and a friend of mine talking, he was asking if she told me she like me. (But he said him instead of my name so I didn’t know he was referring to me.) And like the next day Lida comes up to me smiling singing and pointing at me, saying “I wanna love you.” And I said nothing, but smiled.

    I warmed up to her again and started being more receptive and talking to her more. When a new pretty girl was hired I talked to her showing her how to work the popcorn machine, etc and making small talk a little bit, but did not try to get her number or mess with her. Lida saw me talking to the new pretty girl and had a sad look on her face. I think she was a little jealous, because later during lunch she starts speaking to the new girl in spanish. (Both of them are latina) And Lida sits with her at a table and talks like she trying to befriend her, but I think she was just acting friendly and telling her to back off in a polite way or Lida was telling the new girl that she likes me and to back off a little.

    So after that when I tried to talk to the new girl to see how she doing she would stay pretty quiet when Lida was around, but whenever Lida wasn’t she would be more talkative. Anyways, sorry for this long ass message back to my point. I don’t know where I went wrong b/c I was pretty damn sure Lida made it obvious she liked me and I liked her, but maybe when she would see me talking to other girls as friends she would get jealous? Or maybe I waited to long to ask her out? I mean I didn’t know whether or not she had a bf and didn’t want to make things awkward at work.

    So why did she reject me? I don’t understand. When I asked her out she smiled, but acted like she just wanted to be friends. But earlier that day, when we were talking I said to her “You look different. Is it your hair?” And she flashed a big smile and said, “Yes, I usually wear my hair up at work.” And her hair was more curly. When I gave her attention she seemed to like it. Was I just a tool she used to stroke her ego, or was she ever interested? What can I learn from this?

    Because I feel like I like I just screwed my chances with a pretty girl who is high quality, gf material, feminine, smart, kind and hard working. If this was just a girl I was trying to fuck, it wouldn’t really matter to me that I got rejected. But, this shit HURTS bro!!! I can’t stop thinking about her and I’m not trying to be creepy or anything. I just feel like we had a strong connection. There were quite a few pretty or cute girls there, but I didn’t want them. I wanted Lida!!!! She’s my crush. She was anyway, but I just feel very sad right now. She never came to work on Monday, so I didn’t get her number and I feel like a fool for asking her out. What should I do to get over this? She lives in the exact part of Queens, NY that I do. And I might see her again, but I won’t say anything

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 12:31 pm Middle-Aged Male

      Oneitis.

      Move on.

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 1:17 pm Anon

      Count your blessings. You sound so beta that if you actually got into a relationship with this girl, you would be destroyed.

      Forget about this silly crush and hone your skills first on a bunch of other women.

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 3:49 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      Fuck, bro. You wrote more than the goddamned host, but you still left out the part where you jack off to this bitch on the daily. Not good. Not good, at all.

      This two-timing, cock-gobbling, attention-whoring ho takes a shit like everyone else, but you seem to believe this goddess belongs on a pedestal. Get the fuck outta your head and into the real world, dude. There are almost 3 and a half *billion* broads out there, so why are you sweatin’ just one?

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 6:52 am Matthew King

      When I was working for Cirque du Soleil temp job…So epic. You could have just stopped there.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 6:53 am Matthew King

        When I was working for Cirque du Soleil temp job…

        So epic. You could have just stopped there.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 9:28 am Subway Masturbator

        Yeah, kick a bro while he’s down. It’s beneath you.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 am Greg Eliot

        Some things just can’t be given a pass without comment.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 4:10 pm Matthew King

        Not kicking. I think it’s cool as fuck. Any story that starts that way is bound to be epic.

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 7:14 am cryo

      “We talked quite a few times during the 2 months there and on the second to last day of the job”

      Waited too long. You have to act fast. This girl knew you were into her, and the fact it took you 2 months to act on it was a display of low value.

      “Let me remind you this is a girl I liked alot and didn’t just want to fuck. I wanted her to be my gf and charm her and get to know her.”

      Let me remind you that you are a beta male.

      “And like the next day Lida comes up to me smiling singing and pointing at me, saying “I wanna love you.” And I said nothing, but smiled.”

      She’s toying with you.

      “So why did she reject me?”

      Learn basic attraction skills and apply those before entering the comfort stage with your object of affection. There are many resources on this very blog. And stop the “WE HAZ SUCH A CONNEXION” bullshit, girls find it creepy and you don’t want to be that guy anyway.

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 8:43 am Lily

      “Interesting post. I definitely agree with it. Me, I would prefer a woman’s face and body to be nice, but if had to choose one I would pick face. I mean you have to wake up to that every morning if she’s your gf.”

      Many studies have conformed this. The first thing men notice about women is their face. A woman with a symmetrical face is very pleasant to look at. Men pay attention to eyes, smile, and hair too.
      http://www.howaboutwe.com/date-report/7-things-men-immediately-notice-about-women/#

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 am Kate

      Work on remaining constant in your interactions with people. She was not interested when your behavior swung beta and she was when it swung alpha. Try to be a stable force, and it will engender consistent responses from others. Don’t act hurt or afraid. If you see her again in your neighborhood, talk to her! Talk with everyone. Its good practice to learn how to hold a decent conversation. Good luck with her or someone else 🙂

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  42. on May 18, 2013 at 12:14 pm Holden Caulfield

    Alpha males get ass (literally and figuratively):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2326467/Chris-Brown-wishes-ex-Karrueche-Tran-happy-birthday-posts-image-sticking-naked-rear-face.html

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 9:35 am Greg Eliot

      Many have found him to be a butt head.

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  43. on May 18, 2013 at 1:18 pm Mark Minter

    Heartiste,

    I was just at the grocery store. I used to do this game where I would pick who I would bang out of the next 10 women I would see. But the sad reality today is that particular game is soooo 90s. Now it is down to which of the next 10 would actually fit in the back of a pickup without damaging the suspension or flattening the tires.

    So the sad fact of this country is that cute face/butterface women still sit waaay over there on the right side of the bell curve.

    The relevant question today is more “Jersey vs Holstein” preferences.

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 2:52 pm Renault

      Sounds like you live in a pretty shitty place.

      Move to New York City.

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  44. on May 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm Anonymous

    I’ve found myself in the past in a friends w benefits type situation with a girl that had a nearly perfect body. Just thinking about it gets me hard… But then she had a face that made small children cry in terror and caused my boner to invert. Such a shame. And she always wondered why i would never go anywhere in public with her. Why there was little to no foreplay, and why i would only fuck her from behind. Nature can be cruel.

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 5:02 pm Umberto

      i guess that is the bonus of a butterface – they always look hot from behind.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm haunted trilobite

        Frombies

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  45. on May 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm Nigel

    Will take your advice to heart guys. What’s the best place to meet women if clubs and bars aren’t really my thing?

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 6:02 pm Anonymous

      I thought your story was interesting, though I have to agree with the others that your chances for a future with this girl don’t sound great. Sounds like she’ll only be attracted when you’re distant and flirting with others, yet throwing her the occasional compliment…sounds like a lot of work.

      As far as meeting women: I’ve never lacked for companionship and I’ve met them all through school, night classes (acting classes are great for finding crazies btw), special interest clubs, and working in theater (besides the obvious — dancers, actors, singers — there are lots of hot assistant stage managers and wardrobe girls out there).

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 am cryo

      Christian Mingle

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  46. on May 18, 2013 at 2:02 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    There is a third element men judge women on that no one has brought up: smell. Men like women who smell sweet, not sour.

    People have mentioned this and that about Indian and Asian women. IMO if there is negativity about such women, it’s that they smell like their kitchen. Fewer things are more gross than leaning into kiss a women, only to be knocked back by the awful odor of “spicy food” (I’m putting that in quotes because it’s a cliche you see in dating profiles — women all seem to love this for some reason).

    You sweat what you eat and if your diet is soy sauce and curry, you come out behind the women who eats a more bland American diet. California blondes don’t smell like Asian Delight, for the most part.

    My best memories of women smelling great were in high school, when you’d catch the aroma of Liz Claiborne or…grape gum.

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    • on May 18, 2013 at 3:57 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      Nothing compares to the smell of prime pussy.

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    • on May 19, 2013 at 1:43 pm driveallnight

      I bet femx has currycrotch.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        Haha! I’m adding “currycrotch” to my Fuckit List.

        “Bag a beautiful brown broad before I eat up and beat up her currycrotch.”

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  47. on May 18, 2013 at 8:03 pm newyorker

    It would seem the face would trump the body,especially since ugly is forever but the body can be made more attractive thru diet and gym, that is, something within possibility. But what do i know being a woman.

    A bit ot, but my husband and i were discussing the very weird e asian fetish for small feet,natural ones insufficiently so and encouraged to be no longer than 3 inches long ideally this accomplished thru horrific binding . The pain,limited mobility and dismal health outcomes can be imagined. Why…

    Well, asians have inexpressive faces that are not generally attractive, they have no figures and what little they hat were further hidden by the voluminous clothing they wore back when deformed feet were all the rage.

    Now among white men small feet and hands are considered attractive, but large ones would rarely be the dealbreaker they would have been in the china of a century ago.

    So we concluded that for chinese men hints of attractiveness and fertility in women were so hard to discern it lead them to the shortcut of a foot fetish that lasted a thousand years and ws only stopped when mao and sun yat sen threatened to shot the parents who bound their daughters’ feet; enemies inall other respects but allies in wiping out this atrocity.

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    • on May 19, 2013 at 12:42 pm Anonymous

      Asians have tiny eyes too, and look like aliens. They smell weird too. Such a strange people. For four months we lived in this suburb and the nearby mall was always flocked with Asians and they were so strange. Just a totally different people that I will never understand. I went into an Oriental grocery store once and there were lights and flashing colours everywhere. It was like a casino.

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      • on May 19, 2013 at 5:02 pm corvinus

        I’d swear that Japan is the closest thing we have to an authentic extraterrestrial civilization.

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  48. on May 19, 2013 at 7:53 am Flavia

    One thing about pretty girls with so-so bodies…..Girls with really pretty faces might garner sufficient attention when young to not have the incentive to work on their bodies or diet (as long as they are within a certain threshold- say- “thin-ish”). So some pretty girls may have meh bodies just because they are coasting….

    That is, until they start getting older and have to start compensating….

    This may be from personal experience but it makes sense to me……

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    • on May 20, 2013 at 6:58 am Matthew King

      Contradicts what FerociousFerret says above, and his explanation makes more sense.

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      • on May 20, 2013 at 7:28 am Flavia

        I think both can apply, depends on the woman. I was speaking out of personal experience.

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  49. on May 19, 2013 at 9:20 am earl

    Just for all you players out there.

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  50. on May 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm Anon

    what woman with a good personality won’t take care of herself?

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    • on May 19, 2013 at 8:14 pm cynthia

      Plenty. Especially if they’ve drunk the “all bodies are good bodies” kool-aide.

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  51. on May 20, 2013 at 12:18 am Indiana

    Anna is a distracted dipshit

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  52. on May 21, 2013 at 11:01 pm Lightning Round – 2013/05/22 | Free Northerner

    […] Body and face. I’ve always had a preference towards face myself. […]

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