A teenage reader who writes coherently for his age (sensitive beta male alert) wants to know how to deal with a girl “””friend””” he has been orbiting for three years who recently has expressed an overt sexual interest in him.
I am 19 and have a very tricky situation with a girl who has had a boyfriend for around 3 years. Over this time we have remained very close and shared a mutual desire and attraction for each other. I am not naive and I know she has been leading me on quite badly, but recently it has become out of control.
After seeing her a few times in the last month I copped a series of texts from her (sober) which I dont know how to take. Frankly, they have made me angry.
her: “if things were different what do you think would happen? I think about it alot”
then,
“I feel so happy around you but it’s a dangerous feeling”
but it’s the last text I need advice on and what to do from this point on.
The other day she sent this:
“I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”I know that this can’t end well because either she cheats and I’ll end up being hurt either way.
I would appreciate some advice on what I should do or reply. I have not been sucked in and I have taken the moral high ground and not believing her bullshit.
please help. thanks
You have two questions to ask yourself. One, are you Ok with abetting a “cheating whore” and risking the inevitable drama and ire of her boyfriend, plus any future grief she will likely bring upon you? Two, what should you do if you are Ok with it?
I put “cheating whore” in quotes, because at that age, the teenage years, relationships are vaporous and girls and boys jump in and out of them all the time. If you’re part of a religious community, this may not be the case; people might meet and get hitched by their early 20s, which, back-assessing, means that cheating on a boyfriend at age 19 (or thereabouts) is a serious adult-level offense.
If you’re willing to jettison any moral compunctions and assume the risk of a tryst fallout, then I have two words for you:
Watch out! This girl’s swoony siren call will mean your shipwreck on the lonely cocks. You think it’s that easy to go from friend to lover after three years of stewing in the incel-zone? No, this won’t be a simple Peen 8===> Poos trajectory. Quality girls won’t wave you in like a plane, even when it looks like they’re waving you in, unless it’s to wave you off-course.
This is what you should take from her suddenly confessional texts: She had a fight with her boyfriend, or he’s ignoring her need for emotional closeness, and she’s reaching out for your attention the only way she knows how: by teasing you with her sexuality and manipulating your craving for romance. She knows from experience you’ll fly to her side if she hints at a remote chance for sex, and if you bite the bait, your best outcome is her head on your shoulder, massaging your hand, while she dumps all her frustrations with her boyfriend on you and pretends not to notice the bulge in your pants. If you were to then make for a kiss, you would quickly see the serenity evaporate from her face to be replaced by a fake surprise and hurt that you mistook her intentions.
The above scenario is the way to bet. I could be wrong, and she might really accept your desire if you assume her sincerity and act accordingly. Then all you would need to do is reply in a way that calms her fear of soiling her reputation but nevertheless moves the moment closer to when you and her can be together alone:
HER: “I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
YOU: “Of course. Neither can I.” [good time for a disqualification] “I’ll be at X on Saturday. Meet me there.”
Just a straightforward evasion, DQ, and set-up for the final seduction. Never mind that it makes little logical sense to your male brain; all you need to know is that emotion is the coin of the realm in the twistopia known as the female hindbrain.
However, if she’s insincerely flirting (and my reading tells me she is), then you have to treat her like the attention whore she is. This means employ various game tactics to gain the upper hand, which, if your three asexual years together is any indication, she currently has in spades. So, don’t bite the beta bait. Play hard to get, agree and amplify, tease. For example,
HER: “I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
YOU: “Are you auditioning for a soap opera?”
or
YOU: “ok”
or
YOU: “I know! It’s crazy. You struggle with these feelings. But we can’t do a thing about it.”
or
YOU: “I know how hard it must be.”
or
YOU: “whoa, take a deep breath. this is all news to me.”
I like that you have refrained from replying so far. Forget the high moral ground; refusing to peck at her bread crumbs and shifting the balance of power in your direction is all the virtuous justification you need. And let there be no doubt, you must own the balance of power if you want a woman’s heart. Three years she’s been propped on that pedestal. Now it’s time for you to gently nudge her off and assume the pedestal for yourself.
Don’t forget the classic:
gay
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Two of your other classics would seem appropriate.
You: “gay”
or
You: “I don’t know right now ..it’s complicated.”
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“I wouldn’t want to get you pregnant”
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“I don’t want to get you pregnant”
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lzozozozozoz
in such a precarious scenario, der is but only one proper responsez!!!
her: “if things were different what do you think would happen? I think about it alot”
GBFM: lotstas ccockas 4u lzozozozoz
“I feel so happy around you but it’s a dangerous feeling”
GBFM: lotstas ccockas 4u lzozozozoz
“I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
GBFM: lotstas ccockas 4u lzozozozoz but do not worry as we do not have 2 act on your butt tingle butthextua temptationz as da gbfm don’t buttehxt zlzlzlzoz
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A Beta Orbiter Gets The Green Light?
Hey heartistes!!
THE GREAT GATSBY was a Beta Orbiter who got the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock, and look what happened to him!
DEAD
Such are the aweosme thingz dat da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ TEACH lzozozozozozozozozo
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ancient GBFM proverb:
’tis far berr to have daisy at the end of your cock
than orbit the green light at the end of her dock
lzozozozozoz
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Say what? This is the worst possible time for the “gay” reply. And the other stock answer, “It’s complicated,” is straight-up nonsensical.
Are you all really so programmed? Think about what the “A” stands for in “PUA,” ye herd of soi-disant “alphas.”
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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Heh, heh… I must admit, for the sake of a good laugh, “gay” was the response to that message which came to mind.
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I vote for gay
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> Are you all really so programmed?
gay.
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Two observations:
1) The best routine is ALWAYS to show up with another girl. Assuming Heartiste’s correspondent isn’t totally celibate, then he needs to be flaunting some other girl in this chick’s face as much as possible. That’ll drive her nuts. [Although it’s not necessarily fair to the girl he’s with, if he’s using her for purely ulterior purposes, but maybe ulterior girl could be in on the scam herself, which will make her all hot and wet for him as well…]
2) No one seems to have considered the possibility that Heartiste’s correspondent might have changed SMV positions with her boyfriend since back when they were 16: Maybe H’s correspondent grew a few inches taller, maybe he got into a much better college than her boyfriend, maybe he just made Dean’s List in a really difficult major, maybe being on the varsity swim team at an NCAA Div I program doesn’t seem nearly so gay as it did in high school, etc etc etc.
Although I do agree strongly with the principle that “If she’ll cheat on him, then eventually she’ll cheat on you, too” – that’s simply tautological.
So if H’s correspondent has real feelings for her [as in “she’s the one that I want to settle down with, RIGHT NOW, for the rest of my life, and have babies and grandbabies and greatgrandbabies with her, etc etc etc”], then he could up the ante, make shit real, and throw down a challenge: “I really think you oughtta break up with him once and for all before you and I start messing around with each other.”
And if she’ll take the bait, then they could both do it with clean, clear consciences.
If not – if he isn’t ready to throw down a challenge like that – then he needs to keep on working at making outstanding grades, and get into an excellent professional/graduate school [MD/MBA/JD/STEM/whatever], and then see whether this chick still seems like “she’s all that” in about five years, when they’re both 24.
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People are like damn parrots.
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Agreed. Totally uncalibrated. This kind of thing is why I don’t worry about game going mainstream and making it harder to get laid…most guys will just randomly parrot lines and cross their fingers something works out.
This is under that category of “lol this will be funny to tell my friends I said to a girl!” instead of “this will actually get me the lay in this situation”.
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I feel bad for guys stuck in the black nail paint and “omg did you see that fighf outside” stage. I was there. I did that.
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I used to get this a lot in HS from girls in the same situ over and over again — having a good time, just shooting the shit, and then unprompted — ‘if we weren’t such good friends….(fill in whatever romantic/sexual thing here).’ Back then I was just mentally like ‘well fuck, there’s just some more pussy I can’t slay. Great.’ Now…I think I may have missed out on a lot of it.
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‘I feel bad for guys stuck in the black nail paint and “omg did you see that fighf outside” stage. I was there. I did that.’
lol ya it’s kinda gay…but there’s nothing quite like finding a routine (made up or cribbed from somewhere else) that the Field approves of. And I’ve only found two that are pretty awesome. The ‘hey guys sorry I’m late’ opener….and just the general act of going 90.
Going 90 is like…….the most powerful move I’ve seen so far. I’ve gotten makeouts with it (even after initial resistance). I’ve also noticed that one of my natural friends….like…that’s his WHOLE game. He just goes 90 at the soonest opportunity. But do it too soon and it’s just a lot of ASD that I’m not good enough to deal with.
He literally CHASED a girl around the house trying to make out with her. This was against her strenuous objection, blah blah blah ‘you’re creeping me out.’ Fast forward two weeks…he’s back to the same tricks. Ya. They fucked.
So ya….like four months of doing this and all I’ve gotten are two solid moves. But from just those two moves it’s been several makeouts and one lay. 30 day challenge starts next week……
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I still occasionally see oldschool style PUA zombies out running 2004 PUA game by the books. I think what helped me advance fast was that I understood that it was the structure of the routines that made them work, not the actual words.
So to me I’d see “Excuse me, I can only stay for a minute, but could I get a female opinion? Who do you think lies more, men or women? You see my friend (bla bla)” and translate it as “get her attention, false time constraint, indirect opener, emotional non-“yes-or-no” question, DHV story (bla bla)”
So I could change that to “Hey (get her attention) hold up a sec (false time constraint), I need some chick advice (indirect opener). How do I get rid of a clingy chick? (emotional Q) She’s a fun girl and I like her, but she’s already planning out our wedding and–(DHV story)” and it would get the same result except that my stuff would be tweaked to my personality/experiences.
A guy just parroting everything right out of the books is only learning the surface level shit.
BradP’s “The Shocker” opener (Horse Girl) was a great breakdown of the idea of “filling in the blanks to create your own Shocker”, where he walks you through basically doing a Mad Lib to create your own version of Horse Girl that’s different on the surface but follows the same structure of Horse Girl.
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TL;DR at end of message.
I actually cracked up laughing a couple of months ago when I read about the “did you see the fight outside” line, because I’ve heard it at least twice.
At the time I didn’t know for sure that it was a canned routine, but I suspected…because it sounded canned. And because when I replied, the dudes just kept on plowing ahead with this weird script that wasn’t really acknowledging what I’d actually said. It was as if they were the Peanuts and I was the out-of-frame teacher going “Wha WHA wha WHA WHA.”
At the time, I just chalked it up to the phenomenon that for whatever reason, men like to walk up to me and say weird shit. In fact, it’s a running joke that I’ve had with my friends for years. And in each and every case, the upshot was that I’d blink at the guy, say “That’s nice,” and look for the exit. Then the next morning I’d send my friends an e-mail with a subject line reading “In Which Another Dude Says Weird Shit To Me.”
TL;DR: If you’re just reciting lines like a doll with a pull-string in its back, not tailoring your approach, and not deviating from your script regardless of what she says…it just comes off as bizarre.
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@Rapp
Yep, every dude learning pickup should read your description of what it’s like being on the other end of an uncalibrated routine.
The prob is new guys don’t have the social skills yet to adapt to a dynamic conversation…routines are like really basic training wheels. Like there are social guys who learn game, but the vast majority of guys are coming from a really socially crippled history. They don’t even understand that they SHOULD be calibrating to your reactions, let alone HOW to.
Ideally down the road they start to get more conversational experience and learn to freestyle off the script and link it into more relevant topics on the fly etc. a lot of PUAs take Improv classes, which is a great idea for the guys who just don’t understand how to vibe with people and flow with a conversation.
Way down the road your brain becomes fast and versatile enough to not just link and flow various routines and topics and reactions into eachother on the fly, but also purposely be leading the overall conversation in a specific direction (getting laid, helping cheer someone up, getting something you want, etc). It’s like getting a better computer that can process more things at once.
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The temptation for men like us is the Everybody Likes Raymond thing: sometimes I just like to bother her
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In an earlier post, I asked CH to post a collection of all his maxims. Some other commenter suggested that I should compile the list and share it. I found some pretty complete but outdated lists and merged them into this one:
Maxim #1: Game is learned charisma, streamlined seduction. Game is as sincere as its practitioner’s intent.
Maxim #1a: Women desire men of better quality than themselves.
Maxim #2: Women are turned on by displays of male power.
Maxim #3: Whenever an attractive girl tells you she hates assholes, or describes her experience in the past dating assholes and claims to avoid them now, or recites a laundry list of asshole-y things guys do that she disapproves of, you can bet your weight in gold bricks that she wants you to be an asshole to her.
Maxim #4: Never trust a woman who is missing a sense of humor.
Maxim #6: Never. Make. It. Easy. For. A. Woman.
Maxim #7: Your girl will thank you for your steadfast devotion to your belief in yourself.
Maxim #8: Always assume she is a slut. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.
Maxim #9: The greater the age difference between the older man and the younger woman, the tighter his game will need to be, barring compensatory attributes (money).
Maxim #10: Marriage is a social mechanism designed to exchange sex for indentured servitude.
Maxim #11: Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing.
Maxim #12: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you.
Maxim #13: When in doubt, game.
Maxim #14: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. Human nature says that you can‘t have it both ways.
Maxim #15: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.
Maxim #16: The two fundamental propositions are male choosiness and female abundance. All alpha males have these two mindsets in common. Corollary: Male choosiness and female abundance do not necessarily have to be true for the strategy of behaving as if they are true to be effective at seduction.
Maxim #17: The alpha male thinks and acts more like a woman than a man in matters of seduction. He understands his adversary’s psychology, and uses it to allay her defenses.
Maxim #18: Never talk about getting into a relationship even if she says that’s what she’s looking for.
Maxim #19: Withholding sex is the tactic of a woman who has already lost. It is mutually assured destruction.
Maxim #20: If a woman says the word “sex” in conversation with you or about you, no matter the context, it means she’s thinking about having sex with you.
Maxim #21: Women are more pliable in the company of competing women.
Maxim #22: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.
Maxim #23: The vagina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations are secondary.
Maxim #24: When in doubt, ask yourself “WWJD?” What Would a Jerk Do? Then do that.
Maxim #25: NO girl wants to be thought she isn’t a special little snowflake.
Maxim #26: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.
Maxim #27: If you want a wife, stay clear of investing much in girls who constantly remind you they like to have “fun, fun, fun” and “get bored easily”.
Maxim #28: The more experience you have with women, the more you’ll know which women have experience with men: It is the inexperienced beta male who is most often in the dark about a woman’s sexual history and liable to be victimized by it.
Maxim #29: Xenophobia is good for diversity.
Maxim #30: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.
Maxim #31: If you plan on cheating and subsequently get caught, act like a total dick who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.
Maxim #32: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error when needed.
Maxim #33: Women need to test men for their grace under pressure.
Maxim #34: If she’s hot, why would she bother with online dating?
Maxim #35: Never trust a woman’s advice on how to please women. Her advice is designed for alpha men she already finds attractive and from whom she seeks signals of attainability and commitment.
Maxim #36: A woman’s sex and relationship advice isn’t meant to help men; it’s meant to distract men from what really works to attract women.
Maxim #37: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.
Maxim #38: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the harder it will be to seduce one when you want.
Maxim #39: The worst thing to happen to women in America was women’s suffrage.
Maxim #40: Men are becoming ever bigger betas in their dealings with women. Men are losing the leverage to shape and push women’s child-like and selfishly amoral political opinions in logical, just and long-term oriented directions.
Maxim #41: The definition of Inner Game: Hit on every woman who excites you. Make life uncomfortable for them, not yourself.
Maxim # 42: When a girl signals that she doesn’t enjoy blowjobs or sex, do not spend one second more with her. Your libido is too important to gamble on such a girl.
Maxim #43: In their sexual primes women’s attraction for assholes is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but shit attracts the most well-fed flies.
Maxim #44: If you get sexually rejected, don’t admit it to yourself, and especially don’t admit it to the girl.
Maxim #45: Women will screech louder the closer your words get to damaging or exposing vulnerabilities in their sexual market value.
Maxim #46: Whenever you hear or read the words “gender”, “gendered”, “gendered norm”, “subtle gender bias”, or “increasingly egalitarian, yet there remains…” know that you are dealing with a leftwing moonbat, blank-slate believing fruitcake who cannot deal with the fact that men and women are biologically different from birth.
Maxim #47: Awareness of a woman’s games is a precision-guided weapon in a man’s arsenal of seduction.
Maxim #48: Respect the momentum.
Maxim #49: The rare older woman-younger man pairing is like a lab experiment gone wrong. It violates the natural order of things, and leaves its practitioners emotionally twisted and in a constant mental race to hyper-rationalize their sub-par mate choice.
Maxim #50: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
Maxim #51: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
Maxim #52: Underneath the veneer of civilized discourse we act in ways that are brazenly self-interested in the short term.
Maxim #53: All kneel before the god of biomechanics, by sword or by surrender.
Maxim #54: When a woman has incentive to lie, she will choose lying over honesty EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Maxim #55: The prime directive of the alpha male is fornication. Anything which hinders the fulfillment of the prime directive is to be vanquished as a foe or excised from the mind as a cancer.
Maxim #55: Run for your Life Shit Tests:
BEWARE the classic gun-to-the-head marriage pressure administered by your typical non-descript, rudderless late 20’s/early 30’s woman.
When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the shit test of ALL shit tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this shit test, you are RUINED. FOR. LIFE.
Maxim #56: Waving a roll of benjamins at a woman will not give her tingles. In fact, it will often do the opposite.
Maxim #57: When a girl emphatically insists she is so over you, she’s never been more into you.
Maxim #58: Betas pay, alphas split, super alphas profit.
Maxim #59: A woman’s standards are like a house of cards: kick out one from the bottom and the whole edifice crashes down.
Maxim #60: As women’s bodies age and weaken, their rationalization hamsters grow bigger and stronger. Eventually, the hamster is powerful enough to take control of all higher order consciousness.
Maxim #61: The more expensive or thoughtful the gift you give a girl, the greater the risk that she will subconsciously begin to think she is too good for you.
Corollary to Maxim #61: If you are dating out of your league, or you are dating a young hot babe in her prime, you should do the exact opposite of what everyone will tell you to do — *don’t* buy her expensive gifts. Be particularly wary of advice from women. No woman in the world is capable of thinking clearly or impartially on the matter of “acceptable” levels of male provisioning. Even old, fat hausfrau hogs will expect mountains of jewels in offerings from men.
Maxim #62: Where there’s incentive, there are lies.
Maxim #62: Pregnant pauses are the player’s best friend.
Maxim #63: Consensual polyamory is a contrived hookup service for undesirable sexual market rejects.
Maxim #64: Use of the word “disenfranchised” or other similar nomenclature of deconstructivist post-modern pablum automatically discredits an argument for serious consideration.
Maxim #65: Chicks dig guys willing to risk an early, gruesome death. Expendability is a DHV.
Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
Maxim #67: When women are confronted by a man with low status behavior that is incongruent with his high status looks, they will never resolve the incongruity to the benefit of his status; women will always resolve the incongruity to the detriment of his looks.
Maxim #68: The definition of Inner Game: Hit on every woman who stimulates your crotch. Make life uncomfortable for them, not yourself.
Maxim #70: Any son not explicitly taught about the ways of women by an experienced father will become more beta under the influence of his mother.
Corollary to Maxim #70: A society of ascendent female academic, workforce, political and family influence necessarily emasculates its sons and masculinizes its daughters.
Maxim #71: In their sexual primes women’s attraction for assholes is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but shit attracts the most well-fed flies.
Maxim #73: When a girl emphatically insists she is so over you, she’s never been more into you.
Maxim #75: If you get sexually rejected, don’t admit it to yourself, and especially don’t admit it to the girl.
Maxim #77: Women will screech louder the closer your words get to damaging or exposing vulnerabilities in their sexual market value.
Maxim #80: The more cocks that have ravaged a woman, the less any one cock will mesmerize her.
Maxim #81: Whenever you hear or read the words “gender”, “gendered”, “gendered norm”, “subtle gender bias”, or “increasingly egalitarian, yet there remains…” know that you are dealing with a leftwing equalist, blank-slate believing fruitcake who cannot deal with the fact that men and women are biologically different from birth.
Maxim #83: Awareness of a woman’s games is a precision-guided weapon in a man’s arsenal of seduction. Slyly revealing your knowledge of a woman’s obstructive game tactics is like catnip to her pussy.
Maxim #84: Respect the momentum.
Maxim #85: As women’s bodies age and weaken, their rationalization hamsters grow bigger and stronger. Eventually, the hamster is powerful enough to take control of all higher order consciousness.
Maxim #87: The more expensive or thoughtful the gift you give a girl, the greater the risk that she will subconsciously begin to think she is too good for you.
Corollary to Maxim #87: If you are dating out of your league, or you are dating a young hot babe in her prime, you should do the exact opposite of what everyone will tell you to do — *don’t* buy her expensive gifts. Be particularly wary of advice from women. No woman in the world is capable of thinking clearly or impartially on the matter of “acceptable” levels of male provisioning. Even old, fat hausfrau hogs will expect mountains of jewels in offerings from men.
Maxim #93: The rare older woman-younger man pairing is like a lab experiment gone wrong. It violates the natural order of things, and leaves its practitioners emotionally twisted and in a constant mental race to hyperrationalize their subpar mate choice.
Maxim #97: Do not tempt a woman’s withdrawal with conversational topic overkill. You made a funny, now surprise her with something new.
Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
Corollary to Maxim #98: Singleness is no guarantee of full sexual market participation.
Maxim #99: Female coyness is a purity signaler as well as an ego-boosting mechanism designed to reaffirm a woman’s sexual market value at the expense of lowering the man’s sexual market value.
Corollary to Maxim #99: Female coyness serves a secondary benefit as an anti-game strategy to make a high value man seem more attainable to a lower value woman, or to offer low value women plausible deniability for failing to attract the interest of high value men.
Maxim #100: The urgency and strength of a woman’s desire for a man is directly proportional to the degree to which he is perceived higher in value than her.
Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
Maxim #102: For most men, five minutes of a younger, hotter woman beats five years of older, uglier women.
Maxim #105: Where there’s incentive, there are lies.
Maxim #109: Consensual polyamory is a contrived hookup service for undesirable sexual market rejects.
Maxim #198: Use of the word “disenfranchised” or other similar nomenclature of deconstructivist post-modern pablum automatically discredits an argument for serious consideration.
Maxim #200: Chicks dig guys willing to risk an early, gruesome death. Expendability is a DHV.
Maxim #210: If you are using a romantic holiday as a pretext to raise awareness instead of raise erections, you are probably a fat loser.
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“whoa, take a deep breath. this is all news to me.”
Sounds like the best angle to me.
Bear in mind if he goes too alpha there is a serious risk that she’s going to get suspicious. Context matters, especially after three years of being her prime beta.
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+1 to this as the way to go. I don’t think he can just flip the switch and go all alpha.
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This thread is deranged.
“Serious risk?”
The only “serious risk” here is that this greenhorn is gonna miss a chance at sweet young snatch and that’s a fucking crime.
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This is good, because it sounds like she takes his beta attraction for granted, and if he throws it into question she will start to question their whole dynamic.
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Slight rephrase
“must be hard”
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The soap opera reply is really good. lzozlozz
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This fucker better give as an update I wanna hear what happens
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[…] a sweat in the whole reproductive adventure? It doesn’t propel itself. Like Cleopatra having four beta-orbiters carry her around on a litter, the egg floats along it’s route on a rainbow-river of fluid, […]
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Already was beat to it by 1rd…
“Gay”
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nah guys “gay” doesn’t work in this context. Just because CH gave you a hammer, that doesn’t mean everything is a nail.
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It’s rare that I disagree on these – CH text game is usually tight. All of these are discouraging her from betraying her chump bf though. She’s looking for an excuse, which means she’s looking for hard conviction and a man to make it “just happen”.
Don’t even jumpsuit with her.
“I’m happy around you but it’s dangerous”
(2 hours later)
“Plans tonight?”
“I want to act on this temptation but I can’t”
“I know.”
(That night)
Come meet me for *excuse*
That easy. Cut the shit.
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*bullshit. Typo brought to you by Droid.
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You coulda just said “Take the beta bait”.
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you must be new. “plans tonight?” is the worst text any beta can possibly send. you tell her what the plans are. even I know this. such as: “come play drums for me”
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After 3 year of humble betatude, he has buried himself in a hole that a few alpha-inspired texts are not going to be able to mitigate quickly.
If he wants to win this girl over, it is going to take some time to re-establish hand in the relationship. With his track record, I’m not so sure he has the chops.
However, there is always a shortcut, as any fratboy, Duke lacrosse player, or Catholic priest can attest: get her alone and get her drunk. 60% of the time it works every time.
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nope. invitation is clear.
talk too much and fuck it up.
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“If he wants to win this girl over, it is going to take some time to re-establish hand in the relationship. With his track record, I’m not so sure he has the chops.”
Who does?
His only option is to swallow his fear and cut the girl out of his life.
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Don’t forget – “That’s OK, I didn’t want to get you pregnant.”
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LOL. yes.
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Facepalm.
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There with you, bro’. MadMav is applying game like a girl applying lipstick — to her forehead.
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If king doesn’t like it, you know you’ve got something right.
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I had the same idea, @MadMav. I would choose brevity, a future tense-ion infinitive, and a care-less attitude over tacitly but authoritatively ending the possibility on fear of the mere hint of danger and punishable imprudence (I think a classic blue-pill beta mistake I used to make all the time):
“I don’t want to get you pregnant, so whatever.”
Thusly, the issue is reframed from avoiding sex to avoiding pregnancy, equally valid for religious and self-seeking reasons as may be.
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Srs question though…
Since the teenage reader is aware of the chateau and game, why the hell is he still orbiting and pretending to “only be friends”. The absolute best tactic here would be to make himself higher value than the bf, get with a bunch of other jailbait and college slooots, have his “friend” sit by and see all this, and let her accidentally spread her legs one evening when bf isn’t around.
But hell, if he were to do this then he might not even care about this broad.
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Teenagers are retarded without good rearing (thanks, public schools). QED the slew of angry redditors who have been boosting my view rankings for the past day and a half. Aside from the normal lulzy comments about rape culture, female empowerment and the like, they’ve been tossing the obligatory “if you believe in God you’re automatically retarded and use logical fallacies lololol.”
Being a teenage boy in the US and Canada is almost akin to being a woman (not surprisingly since boys in the US have mostly female teachers k-12): the truth is all around you but you don’t have the eyes to see it or the ears to hear it.
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Teenage hormones and resultant lack of self control are stronger than the prefrontal cortex.
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That’s the entire reasoning behind the idea of “going out and finding more pussy.”
Once you do that, you’ll care a whole hell of a lot less about this one particular girl.
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Amen. With the obvious but not all inclusive exceptions such as female relatives and wives or girlfriends of male relatives or male friends, if a woman is not ejaculating your penis, then she does not truly love you. With exceptions with good reasons, you will know if a woman truly loves you by how readily, how often and how much of an effort she puts into ejaculating your penis is the corallary. She might like you, but she doesn’t love you unless she ejaculates your penis. Women sacrificing to provide for and to protect men indicates she really loves you too, but this rarely happens as it is what men usually do for women in exchange for penile ejaculations for many millennia of history and pre-history. Even a clothed female nude male happy ending handjob demonstrates the minimum amount of love a woman should be willing to perform to receive and maintain a man’s interest and efforts at some point in the relationship. Without at least, that much, she is a waste of your time and efforts. Think about it. What exactly can a female give you besides penile ejaculations and possibly romance and possibly children if you are a strait heterosexual male that a man couldn’t do at least as well or often better? Hint: The answer is absolutely nothing.
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Preach…
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For some reason I can’t quite put my finger on, I think doclove’s comment directly above belongs in the CH comment Hall of Fame. I’m not sure its 100% accurate, but its stylistically terrific.
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If your girlfriend or current slut of the month gleefully refers to her monthly weeklong menstrual bleeding as “swallow week”, you just may have a girl in love on your hands.
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One swallow does not a summer make.
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You would be correct if it were but one swallow.
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To me it seems he should attempt some subtle bf destroyers in his reply if he actually thinks she likes him in that way. These would have to play on the assumption that her bf is emotionally distant.
The caveat being that I’ve never used a bf destroyer in this context, only in the context of a one night hookup with a random girl. Luckily I haven’t been in the situation above since I was 19, close to two decades ago. And yes, the girl cheated on her husband (yes, husband) with me, which didn’t end well for any involved.
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aaahhhh…. The age old tale of a woman who wants attention, using her sexuality to get it. Brings a tear to my eye:
The less attention you give her, the more she will try to get it from you. If you give her the attention she craves for nothing, she’ll wonder what else she can get. It’s like if I have $5,000 to buy a car, and someone offers me a car for $1,000, even if it’s a great deal, I’ll wonder how much better a car I can get for my full $5,000.
If she can win your affection with nothing more than suggestive text messages, she will think your affection is only worth her suggestive text messages.
It sounds like she might be a drama Queen though, trying to create drama between you and her boyfriend:
I wouldn’t touch a drama queen with a stick, not even if it was to hit her with it.
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Dudes, I would like to officially, formally, and publicly announce that I am the stupidest regular reader of CH’s blog. I’m a fucking moron, an imbecile, and a piece of beta garbage. I continuously refuse to follow CH’s advice, to my own detriment, even though I discovered this blog 4 months ago. Please feel free to verbally kick my ass, knock some sense into me, make fun of me, whatever. And here is why it matters.
First, a quick background: I’m 5’11” (not 6’2” but tall enough) and good looking, muscular, cute face—girls think I’m cute immediately, just based on looks alone. I have no excuses in the looks department, in other words. That is not bragging; rather, it’s the opposite, based on my failures as described below. It’s not like I’m some 5’2” guy who can blame being short. My looks are a strength, or at least nowhere close to being a bar that stops me from getting in the door.
Ok, here is why I mention the 4 months: because of my looks and my aggressiveness—I am greater beta, after all, not lower beta—I do meet hot chicks and get them to go out with me. I am now referencing 3 particular women I have actually been out with *since* discovering this blog. I have driven each of them away by being beta and simply not being able to follow CH’s advice, while being conscious of that fact *while I’m blowing it*!!!! Examples are texting too much, too soon, showing too much interest, being too nice, not waiting 6 days after a date to text, doing a “dinnerview” on the first date (dinnerview always leads to failure). The thing that sucks is that I truly am a confident person; I am a good catch. I’m nice but I am NOT “too nice creepy” guy. Frankly, I will dominate a girl and I’m good in bed. The 18 girls I’ve banged have thought so. (See, I’m not omega…I have fucked girls.) One thing in my defense is that I do have high standards. I am playing in the big leagues in that all of these girls are true HIGH 7s perhaps 8s. Thin, fit, not a scintilla of cellulite. I’m talking cute girls with pretty faces and tight bodies. I don’t go hogging. It’s either a high 7 or 8 for me or nothing (porn, I’ll admit).
Now in my defense also, these girls are dumbasses for all the reasons CH chronicles here. I have not been majorly omega creepy and these stupid chicks *should* have not blown me off. (BTW the way it happens is they stop returning texts.)
This most recent one, I was pretty fucking smooth but I had driven to her area (she lives about 40 minutes away) and let her pick the restaurant, which was a dorky suburban place that fucking CLOSED at 10 PM and was fucking empty and quiet even before that. I even complained about it, but in the end she is not conscious of her subconscious feelings—the date was literally hampered by her subconsciously hypergamying and she picked the restaurant and it sucked. Had she been in my area—downtown Miami—I’d have picked any of a number of cool loungy type places that are packed, have music, have a fucking bar that stays open and doesn’t kick us out at 10 PM. (BTW despite the above things were going well, there was kino, she even came over and sat on my side of the table…but I didn’t kiss her because we were literally alone in a closed restaurant at 10:30, literally alone, with the poor staff glaring at us because we were supposed to leave because the fucking restaurant in a strip mall was fucking closed!!!).
Ok….it also was raining really badly, and I was tired (broke one rule right there—went out when tired and I should have canceled on her in the first place), Monday night, she talked about me being able to crash on her couch, I was literally thinking no, I don’t have a toothbrush, I gotta go to work,,, fuck it so I drove home.
She texts ME first, that night, about how she fell down in a puddle. I was like “wish I coulda seen that….finally made it home, next time I’m crashing on your couch!!” ( I mean it was a serious rainstorm with flood warnings in the area).
She immediately texts back “LOL next time.”
That’s good, right?
Now all I fucking had to do was literally send her no texts, no contact, for 6 days. Then I’m in. No, instead the next day (yesterday) I send her texts, not overly needy, saying next date is she is going to play drums for me while I play guitar. We had talked about that and I really am trying to find a female drummer to be in my band and we’ll be the next White Stripes.
She texts a few times yesterday but she’s legit busy at work.
Last night…she text “LOL longest day ever!!!” I text back ‘you need a massage’. She texts back “I just fell down from vertigo”. This is where I beta’d it up.
Me: “What? You ok?”
Her: “Yeah I just need to eat and I’m dehydrated”
Me: “Too bad I’m not ur BF I’d feed you and put you to bed”
Her: “I’m eating”
Me: (4 hours later…after playing my guitar): “Yay.”
Nothing else that night (last night).
Now here we are today. Literally the reason I decided to say the massage thing last night at about 9 PM is I thought the date actually went well enough that she might say come over that very night (last night) and there would be bang. (so why wait 4 days when I can go play with her boobs TONIGHT???).
(by the way she is a true 8 or 9 with a rocking body, pretty fact…27 years old, very very hot).
Another thing is we had talked during the date about going to my place to go in the Jacuzzi and she was literally almost up for it but I wasn’t really pushing for it. I was the one saying we could never have any sort of dating relationship because of logistics…live too far away, she works all the time on a farm. And she was like “I could sleep at your place I don’t have to get up until 7:30.” She said that!!! During the dinnerview she was acting like she was into me big time. (beta bait???)
She was into me during the dinnerview and I somehow fucked it up??
And again all I did was text her the next day and say come play drums or next date is you playing drums for me. (adding excitement, fun, and value to her dull life—she works all the time). I’m serious too. I would take her to a rehearsal studio where they provide the drums and let her bang away on drums (teach her) while I play guitar. Then, of course, bang afterwards.
She would have fun if she just would give it a chance. I feel like I need the opportunity to literally explain hypergamy to her and tell her that she literally had subconscious (she was unaware) “regret” feelings the next day because she picked a crappy suburban restaurant that fucking closed at 10 PM. That literally fucked things up.
Please kick my ass or educate me, community?
WTF is my major malfunction? Thanks.
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Three years orbiting her… I call a girl twice, never a third time. If by the second call, sometines the first, she doesn’t show interest, I erase her from my life.
Now this loser remains as her loyal beta, providing her with ample opportunities to satisfy her selfish ego and to eat a load of emotional bullshit. Forget her buddy, just let her go.
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I’m sure this scenario represents the turning of the tide with this guy. Every man has that moment/ relationship/ clown rape where they turn full red pill, of course no one admits it because we were all born alpha and fucked the nurses who swaddled us.
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+1 on working swaddled into the thread.
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I wasn’t swaddled. I was swathed, I’ll have you know.
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Though you are correct in the analysis of the orbiter who has been orbiting from ages 16 to 19, you are dishing out a load of emotional bullshit like a status seeking bitch in this comment, which I guess makes you more AMOG to some, but not me. You can do better. See Frost on “Argumentum Ad AMOG”:
http://www.thumotic.com/2013/05/09/argumentum-ad-amog/
We need to increase the ranks of philosopher-kings, not pick on teenagers who likely have not gotten out of their parents’ misinformation campaign. He has found CH at age 19, and his potential as a man is far from cast into loser form at this point. What men knew shit in their twenties? I think hardly any. It is accepted red-pill wisdom than men don’t peak until their 30s at the earliest, because men develop more substantially into something cultural and good, or there is no culture, no goodness, no civilization. Tear down the garbage and seed for our vision of the future.
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Hes a teenager cut him some slack, we have all been there
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Put it this way… EVEN if you do succeed and ‘get her’ you will be starting off the relationship wrong and she will have all the power. Grab your balls and go meet someone else… once you have some success with women you realize they ain’t that special.
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Who gives a shit about “all the power?” they’re f’ing teenagers.
The only way this kid is gonna have “some success with women”” is if he starts getting his dick wet and yesterday.
Stop talking, start fucking. That’s today’s lesson.
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lol, you’re going crazy at the thought of him missing out, aren’t you? I’ve never seen such frenzy 😉 Your comments are hilarious today.
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I agree with this and your earlier response. Where he’s at in life, he should go for it. We forget how intense emotions and experiences are at that age. For himself and closure, he should go for it. Close the deal, get the sex if he can. If he tries and she disappoints him, then no regrets. Bigger things lie ahead.
Where the Game advice makes sense is that he should keep his guard up as far as the psychological, emotional relationship with this girl. Protracted unrequited love is a big time and opportunity waster, and soul killer. If he wants a LTR with her, fine, keep the door open and set it up. Game her.
But given their baggage, which is familiar to me, he should not – I say again, NOT – give her the benefit of the doubt. If he gives her a chance and she flakes, he ought to recognize it for what it is, count his winnings, and get out.
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@n/a, agreed on your refinement of Marky Marks basically correct idea. He’s already in the batter’s box on this one. Swing at the pitches and then swing at more pitches. If he is a head case on this one, he might do better to pass, but he just needs to cross that mental barrier of female purity and sublime wholesomeness and the sooner the better. He is pointed 180 degrees from the truth until he pierces the vale of hypergamous deception.
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Coherent writing at 19 is sensitive beta male alert? I can see the logic thinking about it. I am curious of the lesson to take from that.
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It sounds like she is teasing. You don’t all the sudden find a man sexually attractive after three years of him being your beta orbiter. I agree with the commenters who say to forget her.
She might get a little jealous if she sees you with another girl. Even so, enjoy it for the little ego boost it is, and don’t take it for more than that. If you pursue her, you will be back to letting her have the upper hand.
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Survey says: [X] [X] [X]
She isn’t finding him “sudden[ly] … sexually attractive after three years.” But she is giving him the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that attractiveness, which heretofore has been stymied by his teenage pussyllanimity.
Your problem is your female brain. Your attractiveness comes from what you are. Male attractiveness derives from what we do. And there is plenty for this young man to nut up and do.
Matt
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The difference from being 16 blue-pill and being 19 with a clue is enough to make a big difference. He should practice Game. At the least he can practice his frame and nexting skills on this chick.
And what kind of URL target is: http://king1xa@yahoo.com/ ?
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Yep. Make hay while the sun shines.
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Just fuck the girl already.
What’s wrong with you whippersnappers?
She wants the cock, so get her alone, whip it out and stick it in her snapper.
Fucking’s a good thing to do when you’re a wee lad and the cunts are pink and sticky.–
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Fuck her sluttiest friend.
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Fuck ’em all and let God sort ’em out.–
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this works wonders for spinning even the youngest of hamsters.
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Really. Not only do you have to direct their adolescent peens the way to the adolescent poosy, you practically have to push them into it.
I’m thinking that dudes would be better off jerking off until they are 25 and get some gravitas, rather than make asses of themselves for a decade, fumbling their way through all this idiotic trial and error, wasting millions of perfectly good v-cards in their wake. There is no force of nature more spastically stupid than the teenaged male.
The girl is dying to “make a mistake” with the beta orbiter. Is there a better way for a chump-satellite to barrel through the atmosphere and blow up her three-year-old misconception of the guy?
Earth to orbiter. Earth to orbiter. DIVE DIVE DIVE.
Forget the clever text reply. Whatever over-engineered rejoinder you come up with will fluff up her fuzzy frame. Texting is the safe, female domain. Carpe Framem. “This is too important to just text about. Where are you right now?” And then when you get together, you “talk” with your body. No more deference, just a man taking what he wants, pushing through her reluctance, as she has practically begged you to do, in the only way her (cute) cowardice allows.
Whatever “conversation” you might have is just her unloading, groping towards a resolution to her confusion. You are the literal embodiment of that resolution. You don’t lend a sympathetic ear, you don’t give a shoulder to cry on, you gaze at her like the basilisk in full, deadly judgment. You stoke the emotions she has difficulty articulating: “What did you mean, ‘dangerous’?” Then, no matter what blather she answers with, you proceed to put her in danger. If things were different … “Things are different, starting now.” I want to act on this temptation… but I can’t… “Of course you can’t, but I can. You don’t have to act at all. I will.” Again, not with words, but with hands and eyes and mouth.
You get in the driver’s seat and after you fuck her, you mindfuck her. You do not go back to your buddy-buddy ways. You become alternately distant and intimate on your terms. You have stamped her insides with your mushroom head, you have branded her your possession. Boyfriend? Who’s that? You are decisive. You are her frame of reference while teenage confusion swirls around her. She didn’t give you a “green light” to anything. The best she can signal is yellow. You gave her the gift of your resoluteness. Floor it through the intersection, danger man.
Matt
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Carpe Framem
Heh, heh… Carpe Carp, says I… seize the fish.
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Carpe Tuna!
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Seize the fish. Douse it in tarter sauce. Wash the sheets.
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Has Judgement Trump just sounded? Have the seas turned to blood? Because I just found myself agreeing with Matt.
And while everybody’s busy calling this teenaged girl a tease, a princess, somebody who’s just looking for validation, etc., and telling this guy to forget about her…have you forgotten what being a teenager was like? I haven’t. And I had a couple of “beta orbiters” that I actually had crushes on. For YEARS. Found out after college that the whole time they’d been interested, too, and just never made a move. What a waste.
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Do you have boobs? Did you weigh less than 130 pounds? Of course they were interested.
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Most people are telling him to forget about her because they think it will complicate his life. There is no doubt she is waiting for him to take her and stop beta orbiting. The problem is the morning after; what should he do? Start dating her under the circumstances she cheated on her BF?? Isn’t she going to cheat on him too if he continues his beta ways? And what about the BF? This could get messy for a beta. If he were an alpha maybe he could handle a sticky situation better. Don’t forget he is only 19, so how much experience he has in dominating girls? Either way, the situation this girl created is good practice. If he uses it wisely it can be a good learning experience. Otherwise, just having mediocre sex with her, isn’t going to end up thrilling or worth the trouble, and maybe a waste of time. Maybe he is too beta for this girl??
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“Because I just found myself agreeing with Matt.”
Me too, but with one huge exception: If this little love triangle has known one another since at least junior year in high school, then presumably Heartiste’s correspondent is pretty good pals with this chick’s boyfriend.
And betraying a friend, by going behind his back, and fucking his girlfriend, is some evil, evil shit.
As in “surrender your man-card” evil.
Maybe if the boyfriend went to a different high school, and if he’s well-known to be a world-class jackass, and if he was particularly cruel to Heartiste’s correspondent back in the day, etc etc etc…
But that feels like grasping at straws.
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Dat bitch need fuckin’!
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And here I just assumed you agreed with everything I said. I am deeply troubled by our unspoken disagreements. Please speak up, no sense going from trump to trump.
Silence means consent. But then, you’re not much into the whole “consent” thing, right?
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Sometimes silence means consent. Sometimes silence means my eyes are rolling so far back in my head that I am able to witness my own conception. Sometimes silence means I’m searching for my Pennywise The Clown mask.
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While you’re there, say hi to your mom for me.
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I’m still not going to call you “Daddy.”
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The girl is dying to “make a mistake”
Yes. This. As a former teenage girl who was in a situation like this once, who had lots of teenage girl friends, yes. Exactly what’s going through her head right now.
Girls at that age have just as little idea about how to handle their sexuality as boys do – they can feel it, they can see it, they know it exists and that it can bring them power, but they’re still not sure how to deal with it. Girls at that age can also still sense the inherent value of both their chastity and their virginity, as it hasn’t quite been beaten out of them by the sex-positive college whores yet. She might have an easier time exercising her sexuality, but she still has no idea how it works (I’m talking internally, as in, on her own emotions/sense of self. She knows goddamn well how to buy a push-up bra from Victoria Secrets). The pre-slut stage is very difficult to get through.
So… yeah. She wants you to jump her. Bend her over a table and yank her panties off. It absolves her of having to resolve or understand this internal conflict between her animal lust and human reason. It also satisfies that inner desire drumming in the back of her brain – yet to be fucked up by one too many rides on the cock carousel – that’s telling her a boy should be dominate.
Like I said above, I had a situation like this in high school, with a really good male friend. He wanted to fuck me. I wanted him to fuck me. I didn’t push at him for it – mostly because my parents were all about the whole “no sex until marriage thing” and would have killed me – but I still wanted him to just take what he wanted.
I’d say what you’re saying, Matthew, is a mean thing to do to a girl, but honestly, when’s she going to lose it instead? Drunk at a party? Her bedroom, to her vibrator? Seriously. Give her a good memory.
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Eloquent.
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Well said.
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Good post. Next time tbough Chump Change needs to get on top of her in the beginning. Three years of being her neutered show pony is embarrassing.
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dude. what happened to you? you seemed to have self-smarted during your brief absence.
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Self smarted?
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Maybe he got his grade 10.
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I wasn’t aware I was absent, unless you were talking to Matt.
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This sounds just right. Matt shows the right instinct, that of a man of action, which you shall be, simply because you decide so. Focus on the physical not the verbal.
It maximizes your odds. Maybe (not likely) she’ll freeze up and stop you. Then it was not meant to be no matter how long you had tortured yourself verbally.
There are a million fish in the sea. This is as good a time as there will be to sample this one.
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One does not live on penis in vagina alone.
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You’re right. Anal is essential.–
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That’s true: blowjobs are good, too.
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I have thing for feet, if we’re being honest.
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No, but the human race as a whole does.
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Carpe annulus
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+1 for working the phrase “pink and sticky” into the post.. Now–CH called this. The girl had a fight with her precious “boyfriend”. (FeministX?) Does she want to cheat witht this dufus? Is he sexually attractive after three years of orbiting? Maybe but i doubt it. I think she wants to go full emotional tampon on this poor guy. He should be cocky and aloof. at some point offer to meet and bring some wine.(or weed. Or meth–whatever her choice is!) Time to fuck–or flake!
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my gf is 20, solid 8.5 with no tits – her father is german. she’s been plowed by 12-13 guys before me. she exhibits extreme feminity and masculinitity. my issue is that 2 months in she let it slide that she has a fantasy to hook up with a black guy. it was said randomly. she listens to rap, gangsta rap, hip hop etc. shes a bartender at the club I bounce at & also at a high end chain steakhouse.
she loves me – i do not. i dont rationalize anything with her – tho the tat she recently got without my approval – a handgun on her side left tit to show her “rebelliousness” and dirty.side. i could go on but.I’m on an
Android & theyre shit. i cant getpast the black
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This was pretty much the situation I found myself in before coming to the Chateau.
Almost exactly.
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Meaning if he goes for it he’s making a huge mistake.
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wow Androids are terrible on here – i cant get past what she told me alnost a year ago. i refuse to rationalize, but its honestly pathetic how much this girl loves me and how little i love her. recently she’s been crying daily at my lack of interest towards her lately – the black fantasy, on top of the gun tattoo is killing my mojo with her.
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She’s gaming you, son. Ignore her, and when the texts start to bother you, send one simple text back: “My place. Tomorrow night. 10pm.” (Note” NOT a public place: your place, ie somewhere you can have sex.)
If she begs off or offers an excuse, your response: “Call me when you’re serious. Otherwise don’t bother. Bye.”
Then ignore her forever, and spend your time more profitably with other, less fucked-up women. Good luck with that.
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“If she begs off or offers an excuse, your response: “Call me when you’re serious. Otherwise don’t bother. Bye.”
Terrible.
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Maybe, but a variation on that first line landed me the best woman of my life, e.g. wife.
I left off the last two sentences though. They’re best left implied.
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Those two last lines, that was my cringe.
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very few men call pull this game off. it requires at least 2 fwb’s who are at least 8’s and a rich social life.
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“I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
You gotta be kidding me. If some chick really wrote this, then she’s telling you to stop being such a pussy and get some.
Do kids today need to consult the web to know when a young slut is wet?
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Yes
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“I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
PLOW BABY, PLOW.
If she’s bluffing and you hit an iceberg then flip the ship starboard and make back to merry old England.
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Truth be told though I’d bet money she is playing him. Her big mean boyfriend probably fucked up in some fashion and now she’s trying to get a little free attention on the side or perhaps she feels her control over Mr. Bestie is waning. Either way I don’t believe he’s going to find out what it smells like. Most likely he is going to either not do anything and continue to be her friend or he is going to reveal his cards even though she already knows what he’s holding. (His weiner)
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Occam’s razor. You attribute too much manipulative capacity to the teenaged female mind.
Either way, why encourage the kid to think deferentially? The boyfriend is irrelevant. If he were relevant, he would have locked down her beta orbiter problem years ago. But he’s a dumbass teenager too.
The boyfriend didn’t “fuck up.” Princess is simply b o r e d. A special snowflake like her can’t expect to enjoy having the same plate of waffles for breakfast every day! I mean, waffles can be yummy, and just think of all the toppings!!! 😀 🙂 😀
But even the most delicate of princesses crave protein. Ham and eggs and ham and some more ham. The human female is designed to be a carnivore too — eyes in front of the head, sharp teeth for gnawing. One stomach, not four. Don’t mistake her for bovine.
Matt
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That’s why if I were the main character I would just at least try. If shes playing him she will soon reveal her plan if he plays it right. If she wants it badhe’s gonna have to do something pretty stupid to mess it up. Problem is if she’s a little uncertain and he falters, it’s gone. I’m wondering how attractive she reallg is and what he acts like in person. There’s a whole set of details that would make determining her motives a bit easier.
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You are so right. At that age there’s ZERO RISK in making a bold move. Most of this advice to play it safe and game her carefully just sounds like tired old men with years of built-up sedimentary fear and resentment. Does anyone here remember being a teenager? You’re a walking bundle of horny angst and drama. There’s no bitch shield at that age – you’re spinning a Romeo and Juliet-style emotional drama with every guy you know. She’s practically BEGGING him to make her little hormone-driven inner life more exciting, and y’all are telling him to “just move on, she’s probably playing you”?
The only advice you can give to youth and stupidity is to be gloriously young and stupid.
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Or maybe the old men just know what this girl is going to look like 20 years down the line, and can’t get worked up about it one way or another.
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Well it’s not 20 years down the line yet, right? I doubt any 19 year old on earth is thinking, “Oh no, wouldn’t bang, she’s going to look rough when she’s 40.”
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Nice comment.
One of the best realizations of my younger Biildungsroman life was that, with a bit of grooming, weightlifting, teasing, and manipulation, I could basically ORDER a girl to make out with me. They LOVED it. Jesus, it’s kind of sick how much girls love taking commands. And no other guy I knew seemed to *get* how simple it was.
Once the bitch shields began to grow, though, around age 22 or 23, it grew quite a bit tougher…
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A young girl don’t know when she’s lying. Takes a woman to show you how it’s done. She’s fishing for validation but doesn’t understand herself that’s what she’s doing.
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Head back to England if you’re already off the coast of Nova Scotia?
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I’d only scuttle the ship if I absolutely had to.
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Then I’d head bsck to port and get a bigger boat and set course again, for her hottest friends
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Sounds like he’s definitely gonna need a bigger boat.
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A MASSIVE BOAT.
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I was trying to think of a joke involving “Tit_Tanic, Whorepedo and U-Bitch 237”, but I got nothing…
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Man in the boat overboard!
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I see what you did…
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Simply time to dock the boat. His in her port of course
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+1. Go for it. If she says no way then forget her and quit orbiting like you should anyway. If she is dtf than good for you. Your 3 years of orbiting paid off, which is unusual. Time to make your move…its your first definitive move toward alpha.
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Do kids today need to consult the web to know when a young slut is wet?
Obligatory “Youth is wasted on the young” remark.
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After 3 years do you really want to fuck her? She’s cock-teased you for half of your sexually active life, dummy. And you’re now considering sloppy seconds as further humiliation??? Have some self-respect.
Repy to her in a straightforward manner: “Have sex with you? LOL. We’re FRIENDS!” Then move on.
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If you do somehow get in her panties, be sure to thoroughly punish her orifices for three long years of her shit tests.
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Since we’re addressing beta game here:
How does one do obligatory beta things in the course of a relationship in an alpha way? Wives and girlfriends will not accept skittles as gifts on a regular basis. At some point it will be her turn to pick the movie, and it will usually be a gay selection. How do you share in the celebration of whatever girl milestones she’s happy about?
I recall seeing a good post about alpha ways to propose, but my question goes more to the day to day level. After you’ve been with a girl for 3 months or so, she’s looking for a connection. Constant aloof game will eventually lead to her just thinking you are a negative, critical dick. But being a mushy beta herb is fatal as well. Maybe I’m suggesting a new post “Relationship Game: The Day-to-Day Alpha”
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“Are you auditioning for a soap opera?” WINNER. I’m using that one.
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Does your dad have an Audi you can borrow?
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If I’m going for the kill in this situation, I don’t respond to those texts from her at all. Just ignore and maintain plausible deniability while simultaneously maneuvering for a situation where you two are alone and alcohol has been consumed. Then attack.
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My ho-radar isn’t pinging strongly, i thkn the Evasion, DQ and meet Heartiste reply was perfect. Takes care of all angles, if she is honest or dishonest.
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serious shit test. the don’t wanna get you pregnant line doesn’t work when she’s actually talking about sex. I’d ignore the text altogether and give her the gift of continuing to think about sex with you while her hamster continues to spin with you living rent free in her head. let her think about why you haven’t responded and post some vague references to other female interaction real or not on Facebook/social media site (assuming you’re friends). you know she’s gonna check it. this is just another version of withdrawing affection and flirting with other girls. and please do flirt with other girls. you gotta get off this one-itis. if she’s into you like she says, she’ll find a way to contact you to assuage the hamster. if not then just use her as practice for text or face to face game, and maybe even a pivot. and talk to other girls!
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His dilemma reminded me of this scene:
(NSFW)
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Just his luck…
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“I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
Heh…one thing is for sure if a chick wants to act on a temptation she never says it where it can be documented.
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Unless she’s a Skankasaurus Rex. Stay clear of those nasty things.
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Women on death row. Most of them killed their own children. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/16/justice/gallery-women-death-row/index.html?hpt=hp_t5 Women’s feelings about their kids range from I-will-literally-murder-them on the left to I-can-almost-be-nice-to-them-30%-of-the-time on the far best case scenario side. As a divorced father of 2 wonderful kids who I love, I can tell you that I state fact. Only the father feels love. Women cannot love; they can only think about their own scared needs.
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Playing him or not, the end result has to be the same: they’re no longer friends. If he steps up and takes a swing, tries to make things happen and she’s playing, they’re done as friends. If he swings and she’s not playing, he bangs her and they’re not just friends anymore. If he just walks away..not friends anymore. In fact, the only way they stay friends is if he tucks his penis between his legs and does nothing.
If you’re not going to be friends anymore no matter what, swing. For. The. Damn. Fence.
DD
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This! A thousand times!
The situation has ALREADY changed just because she has signaled interest. There is no more status quo. That’s GONE. You’ll never just be friends again — you’re either her lover or her rejected lover from now on. Which one do you want to be?
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Men and women can’t be just friends. Doesn’t ever work. There is always that attraction or that mystery – of wanting to find out what this person is like in bed. Somehow, some way, things reach critical mass, and you just have to get it out of your system, one way or the other.
The guy writing the letter (and his female friend and their interaction), is very natural.
“platonic coexistence is merely a façade, an elaborate dance covering up countless sexual impulses bubbling just beneath the surface.”
“New research suggests that there may be some truth to this possibility—that we may think we’re capable of being “just friends” with members of the opposite sex, but the opportunity (or perceived opportunity) for “romance” is often lurking just around the corner, waiting to pounce at the most inopportune moment.”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends
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Very true. I don’t understand why people are filling him with doom and gloom scenarios when he has absolutely nothing to lose here! This is one of those situations where he should probably just stop overthinking it, ignore the bitter internet people, invite her over one night, raid Mom and Dad’s liquor cabinet and then kiss her/grab a boob. When did teenagers forget how to act like teenagers?
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> “I don’t understand why people are filling him with doom and gloom scenarios when he has absolutely nothing to lose here!”
Unless he’s pretty close pals with her boyfriend and he doesn’t want to betray the guy by fucking the girlfriend..
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That’s possible, but I’m assuming it’s not a factor or he would’ve mentioned it in his otherwise thorough explanation.
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In that case he should tell her to fuck off and forward her email to him.
Let her get her just desserts. There’s some satisfaction in that, in some ways better than an orgasm, in other ways not.
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He wants to bang her. They were never friends.
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Yup. I was in a very similar situation when I was a teenager. It wasn’t at blatant as this, but looking back, I could have had her if I just took some damn action!
What I did do was get a girlfriend and when she found out, she sent me messages like, “I’m jealous”, etc. I knew the second I broke up with my girlfriend, I could tap. That. Ass. And I did.
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All Western males are unwanted beta-orbiters under massive Muslim immigration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QmxSqoFsrRw
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When the next Crusade is declared, I’m going to race you to Mecca.
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I’m sorry, but the card says “Moops”.
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Moops?
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Seinfeld reference.
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It’s a misprint!
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Schteinfeld, that show about neurotic city Hebes? It’s the jooiest series ever.
This is like that one time I caught my Grand Wizard uncle beating off to negro porn.
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Really, what is the fascination Greg has with that show? He’s constantly referencing it. Tried catching it in re-runs a couple of times, but I still can’t see why it was such a big hit. To me it’s annoying. Is it “must see TV” at the KKK?
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Au contraire, mon frere… it was one of the whitest of SWPL shows… which just happened to have some YKH’s in it.
Considering the über-Jude (Larry David) who was most of the brains behind it, it was surprising that they didn’t poke more with the Yiddish schtick.
Indeed, a bit shocking that they gave their own tribe the business much more than taking cheap shots at goyishe Kultur.
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Hey, even a rabbi will have an occasional ham sandwich.
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OT, and surprise, surprise, more You-Know-Who’s in the News, check out the names of former and current IRS moguls.
(((Oh, he is sooooo obsessed with naming the YKW!)))
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Greg Eliot is the last guy to strike me as a ‘bubble boy’
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Looks like his best option is just to go for it. Full steam ahead. If he crashes and burns then fuck it. Maybe she’s really really fat.
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I’d prefer to be extremely thorough on the way there.
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Touche’!
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>>>When the next Crusade is declared, I’m going to race you to Mecca
Hopefully when you guys get there you see a radioactive parking lot.
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Off topic.
The Occidental Observer has a good overview of the ongoing scandal in the UK over muslims grooming under age white girls as sex slaves. More “blessings of diversity”.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/05/the-blessings-of-diversity-muslim-sex-crimes-101-with-statistical-sue/
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The day is coming soon when we’re going to start killing these heathens as well as the urban apes destroying American cities.
Whites are starting to wake up and we’re (at least in the states) heavily armed.
Go buy guns and ammo (hard to come by) at sites like Gunbot.net.
If you enjoy the decline to get laid, fine. But there is a bottom and it is heading our way soon.
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You don’t need to be Muslim to be a pimp.
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Oh? Was this commonplace in the UK before mass immigration?
You fairy.
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IT IS NOT A WORLD OF MEN, MACHINE.
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“You know who you’re talkin’ to? That’s Shelly ‘The Machine’ Levine… taught me everything I know.”
“Oh, I wouldn’t say th… well, if I did, I was glad to help.”
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“How was her crumb cake?”
“From the store.”
“Fuck her.”
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“Great sit.”
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Another: http://www.amren.com/news/2013/05/oxford-grooming-gang-we-will-regret-ignoring-asian-thugs-who-target-white-girls/
And previously linked by Heartiste: http://t.co/4SFHnUaVh8
The things I read in the news these days (that is, by the people who actually report the news) make Stephen King look like H. A. Rey.
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On a related note, Swedes are shocked (shocked to learn) of “yute” violence in Malmo.
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Multiculturalism is enriching our culture.
(((sarcasm volume cranked up to 11)))
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Look girls with alphas sometimes want some romantic game. I got plenty in HS, and I did mostly by being funny but also by switching and being a good listener.
I’d say something like, “This is interesting. I don’t know where it would lead either. But I do know two people with a connection like we already have could find a really exciting place together.”
This is NPL type stuff. But it works, and it sounds like she’s in that frame of mine.
THen, if she drags ass or punts, say something like, “Well, I don’t believe in wasting time and it’s clear ot me you’re confused. Good luck with Alpha jerk. This trains leaving the station.”
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Too communicative in my opinion.
If she wants all that commiseration etc. that’s what she should have girlfriends for. A guy should not provide it. Principles.
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Anyone have any suggestions for gaming a girl that works at the gym I go to? She isn’t a workout sorority girl type, she’s more on the tiny hipster side. We caught eyes a few times and said “hey” the other day, but she’s usually behind the front desk with 1 or 2 other people. If not there sometimes she cleans around the gym by herself. I’m not sure of a good opener seeing as I’m hitting on her at her job/the gym.
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I would really like to know how pans out.
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When Mel Brooks was pondering whether to put the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles, he was told,
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Applies here. CH is right, she needs her emotional tampon and she’s dangling bait. But she’s also put the ball in play.
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Agree. It’s beta bait, but she has opened the door a crack here.
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Heh… Mel Brooks circumspect about lowbrow humor?
That, in and of itself, raises a laugh.
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HER: ”I want to act on this temptation, but that’s the problem. I can’t”
YOU: “Sure you can”
Hit that shit.
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How do we even know if her b/f is an alpha? Maybe he’s just a beta that got lucky…
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Heh, heh… said current bf was the previous recipient of said texts. lulz
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I still wonder what this little lady looks like.
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There is only one response that is appropiate to these texts.
“Bring the movies.”
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That one is evergreen.
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Thread winner
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This is what a feminist looks like.
The tatted dyke at the bottom right has some serious guns!
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Those aren’t guns, its bingo wings are just folded up
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If you added all of that body fat together into one giant ball and lit it on fire I would be willing to wager it would burn for a week. The millions of unused calories…
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Spontaneous human combustion seem to disproportionately hit fatties.
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It always smells like fried chicken…
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Hey babe…take a walk on the wildside
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In the backroom, she was everybody’s darlin’…
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Don’t sing that. The colored girls will show up. Dudadudududadu
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Roffle mao
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This is not a time for over gaming. She is a teenager with relatively little experience at playing games. I orbited this girl for about a year in high school in the most nauseatingly beta way possible, and one day she just started hooking up with me.
Now I was not that bad looking, but I had ZERO game and still fucked her.
After that, it only took about a month to flip the script and have naturally alpha relationship game. She almost certainly had HPD, and it soon became clear that sometimes the only thing I could do to calm her down was to yell “SHUT THE FUCK UP.” She would go from angry and bitchy to crying and apologetic in seconds flat.
Call me sadistic, but nothing got me harder than getting her to go from bitching, to crying, to fucking. Absolute purest feeling of alpha.
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Making girls cry is a fav pastime of mine 🙂
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The only reason I doubt he will find out what she smells like is tied to your story and my own experience. The more of a little turd you are means you’ve got to come back that much farther in the opposite direction to turn around a ljbf orbital situation and even though her experience is more than likely lacking, I doubt his ability to have the understanding to do what it’s going to take. Anyone who’s been in orbit that long and is technically still in orbit is more than likely going to fail, but goddamn, at least try for your dignity.
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“it soon became clear that sometimes the only thing I could do to calm her down was to yell “SHUT THE FUCK UP.” She would go from angry and bitchy to crying and apologetic in seconds flat.”
Been there, with a crazy chick years ago. Sheer brute emotional force: sometimes it’s the only way to shut up a hysterical woman. And get some sleep.
Does anybody else remember Sean Connery stirring up a shitstorm years ago by admitting that he sometimes smacked his wife when she was getting hysterical? I wouldn’t have married a woman that nutso, but he definitely sold me on the reasonableness of the tactic, if I were to find myself in that situation.
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The best thing is to get a dog. Not only will they love you for you, but they will show you how you are acting with her. Dogs crave attention and are always willing to do anything to get it. Look at the dog and its’ habits. Understand how this pisses you off. You do not want that mutt bugging you constantly!
Quit being a fucking dog!
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The kid should go for it. Not every year of a man’s life is equal. At his age, emotions and experiences are intense. With 3 teen years already invested in this girl, he’s got too much invested in her just to let her go without making a play, for his own sake.
The last thing he should do is nurse an unrequited love. That’s a time and opportunity waster. He should make his move like an alpha and what happens will happen. A proud failure is far better than the lifelong regret of not trying. Failure is at least a learning experience, even a rite of passage.
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Well put and totally agree. I would just add the following:
-Tease a little with every breath
-If it doesn’t work out don’t betray any emotion, disappointment or butthurt-ness and instead laugh, act indifferent as far as you’re able, and make fun of her for being chicken. Comply with the 2 msgs back for every 3 she sends and make the replies delayed
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I like the “ok” response. Tells her you aren’t begging for crumbs.
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British soldier beheaded on London street by two muslim fanatics
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0f_1369235265
One of the killers looked into camera and said “you people will never be safe”
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Hitler sent two hundred bombers to rain death on the Brits night after night, and all he did was make them mad. Now liberalism has done what he couldn’t.
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It’s amazing, isn’t it?
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True, but then Hitler never actually wanted to exterminate the Brits. The Cultural Marxists, on the other hand, do want to exterminate the British people, and their program is designed to that end.
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exterminate British people?
you are way too nice, the cultural Marxists want to eliminate white people and Western Culture
Unfortunately, they are succeeding…
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Come back Luftwaffe, all is forgiven.
You bombed the shit out of the East End of London in 1940 – right idea, as it turns out, but 70 years too early.
As Betjeman said,
Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
It isn’t fit for humans now,
There isn’t grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!
…
And don’t forget to do Bradford while you’re at it. Danke.
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Saw a report that the killers were Somalis. We let a bunch of them into the USA.
No word yet from F*ckerberg if they’re coding for him at Facebarf due to the low supply of American software developers.
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This is why men of the West need the red pill. It’s not just to seduce women.
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The best response among CH’s suggestions would be “whoa, this is all news to me”. I would add to that, “obviously neither of us can act on this… but give me a ring when you’re available” and then stop communicating. When she has ditched her bf, then he can set up an encounter.
Her messages are 99% certain to be beta-bait anyway, but in the 1% chance that they aren’t, then it’s worth guiding her to take the high road of current bf closure and avoiding triangle drama. If she’s not a loon, she’ll appreciate the guidance. If she is a loon, then might as well save your time and energy for someone else.
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Matt and n/a and spirslina nailed it (no pun intended). Because of his and her age he should just go for it and stop over thinking things. Like others said he’s already been zoned for 3 years – what’s he gotta lose by taking the bait and trying to get his?
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That’s exactly it. He’s got nothing to lose as long as he goes into it with the right mindset. If he goes for the poon thinking maybe it could be something ‘special’, then disappointment more than likely awaits not far down the road. But if he has the outcome-independent ‘hit it and declare victory’ mindset, it’s win-win. As long as he’s not buds with her BF, the fact that she wants to cheat w/him isn’t his problem. She wants it, so go get it. It ain’t complicated.
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agree with beta bait. Here’s where it comes from. The chicks boyfriend is uncomfortable with her spending so much time talking to him, hanging out with him when they’re not together so he’s trying to find a way to ghost dude from their lives.
Boyfriend confronts girlfriend about it and she says “oh he’s just a really good friend there’s nothing going on.” Undeterred, the boyfriend says he knows the type and that this guy is just waiting in the wings for his chance to fuck. The girl is shocked she says NO way! The boyfriend says WAY. Tell this guy you want to bang and he will jump at the chance.
So here comes her not so subtle text messages out of the clear blue after THREE years of “friendship”. If he goes for the bait, she will blow up in his face calling him all kinds of creeps and that “friendship” will be over.
Don’t fall for it dude. Just fade on her. If she keeps up with that bullshit, don’t respond or keep the replies neutral. “Cool” “Bummer” “Gay” “LAME” all good responses there.
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Let me throw out a phrase which has seeped (and by seeped, I mean “bashed over the heads) into the lives of young men these days:
Only yes means yes.
Anything less than a clear and sober yes means it’s RAPE.
This is plastered all over the walls in schools, talked about in class, school counseling sessions, etc.
If you’re raised by a strong “feminist” mother, you’re going to hear the same thing. “If she really wants you, she’ll say so.”
That’s how I was raised.
And why I was a virgin until I found this site!
And why it’s so damn hard for a guy (even a 19 year old rarin’ to go guy) finds it so hard to make a move even when a girl is sending over texts like that.
Because in the modern world, “only yes means yes.”
Right.
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This guy just needs to remove this girl from his life. He will always, and i mean always be this girls emotional tampon. I went through something very similar in my beta years – these girls will never respect you, ever. Move on.
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No way in hell should he just “go for it” as so many are recommending. This girl hasn’t given him the green light, all she’s done is amplify the beta bait to try and get a reaction out of him. Which, when he begins acting on it, will get him a “omg we have such a great connection and under different circumstances i would TOTALLY be in to you”. After which she’ll put the phone down and then proceed to blow her bf. Do not, under any circumstances, listen to what a girl says, her actions will tell you everything.
This girl has kept him at arms length for three years! Girls, even teenage ones, are very aware of who holds the cards when it comes to sex. The false pretenses of friendship are nothing more than a facade that she has the power to do away with at any moment. And she knows he’ll drop whatever he’s doing an accept the invitation; she’s known this for years, yet nothing has happened. Worse, he’s never once in that time attempted anything other than to be a dutiful beta and accept his role as an emotional tampon. He’s been tagged, bagged and categorized as a beta orbiter by her. He’s not breaking that mold by sending a text that’s going to be completely incongruent with the past 3 years. The most likely result from that will be her complaining to her friends that so and so is suddenly acting creepy.
He might be able to bed this chick (i doubt it based on his email) but it will take a little time and some game. Best bet is to make light of whatever she’s saying,or just agree and amplify to some absurd level that lets it be known that you don’t take her seriously. Then HE changes the subject, not her. This will change the frame of their relationship and give a little power back to him. And most importantly, let her know he’s banging other women…better, let her see them with him.
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Heartiste, hearts and minds in a culture war are won by compelling narratives/stories. Why don’t you create an ongoing page of horror stories sent in by men getting fucked over by the establishment/feminist/feminine imperative worldview and how game/alpha vs beta/dark enlightenment worldview helped them improve their lives. It would be a useful resource to use against the propagators of the establishment/feminist/feminine imperative worldview and would persuade many men who have had experienced similar or seen similar things over to the game/alpha vs beta/dark enlightenment worldview themselves.
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Misty had lost 100 pounds.
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Yeh, stop pissing around and get ya dick wet. Nothing like being balls-deep in a young chick.
You’re already her bitch so you have nothing left to lose and everything to gain. As @DaveD says, go for the fucking goal.
Where teenagers lost the idea is from the bullshit feminism crams down their throat and rams up their asses.
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This startled me:
https://twitter.com/expsnghghtsm
I never knew there was such unforced and deep hatred for short men; reading this murderer’s row of almost dementedly cruel tweets gives one a taste of the acid boiling in the bowels of the female id.
Short men who game and fuck hot sluts I salute you.
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That is some nasty stuff.
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I think there needs to be some more serious discussion on what guys under 5’8″ can do to get laid, because it seems like an impossible task.
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Short?–If you are still under 25 you MIGHT have some luck in youth-worshiping West if you lift enough weights…if not and under 35, go to Eastern Europe (Poland or RU, not Uraine, they’re truly stupid). If over 35, just go to Asia.
Unless you’re looking at them from some freakishly Alpha frame of reference, Western White women are not really human, they’re more sort of evil demons sent to make the productive half of the race miserable. They dislike you for the wrong reasons, if you by some chance work around that, they’ll like you for the wrong reasons. Either way they’re venomous 3-year-olds. Trying to get close to them is like farming oranges in the Himalayas.
The requisite denouement, however, is to parade your luscious half-breed daughters in front of the hung-over, aging, club-girl husks. Maybe a little smile and wave which she will not for the life of her understand why you’re doing.
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lmao i’m 5’7.5″ barefoot, it’s really not that bad. Yes you’ll have to work harder than the tall guys, but honestly so many guys of all heights are such pussies that they take themselves out of the competition.
The girls on that twitter are probably above average height themselves (meaning i likely wouldn’t go for them anyways) or just bitchy status whores (they are on twitter, after all). They don’t represent all women in my experience. If you’re on the shorter side like me, just find your niche and game on. Another thing that helps is getting swole, a solidly built short man beats out a frail tall skinny guy more often than not.
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@Jason
Watch Scray this summer and read his Field Reports here. That short mofo will be dick-slapping girls around by the end of summer. 😀
@soupfart
“Yes you’ll have to work harder than the tall guys, but honestly so many guys of all heights are such pussies that they take themselves out of the competition.”
This. City I’m gaming in right now is full of guys who are taller, richer, better looking, better dressed, etc than me. I game in the high-end scene. You might think “but YaReally how do you compete with them all??” The reality is I don’t, I compete with maybe 1% of them.
The other 99% couldn’t game their way into an old hooker’s used up sausage-wallet. That 99% will hit the gym a little harder this week, work a few more hours for a few more dollars this week, buy themselves a more expensive suit this week, and then they’ll watch me approaching the girls while they stand there leaning against the bar with a drink up at their chest wondering why the dream society fed them, that if you just get big enough muscles and a nice enough car the women thing will work itself out for you, isn’t coming true.
Then while I’m fucking the chick they had their eye on from afar, my beer belly dripping sweat on her body in my shitty shared apartment where she’ll have to pay for her own cab home after because I don’t have a car, they’ll be lifting some extra weights, scheduling a couple more hours of work, and thinking about getting an expensive watch to go with their suit because maybe that will help next week…
I wish I could educate them, but they won’t listen to me. Maybe one day they’ll find this blog lol
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the male ego is my friend.
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@yareally
I’ve added some new stuff to the archive: http://yareallyarchive.com/
Making it easier to find comments that address specific topics in teh giant pile of crap 😀 is my priority now. I’ve got some ideas but hit me up @ lumpypuaatgmeail. er, gmail.
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There is something to this. Being compact has its advantages. At the extreme NBA centers look awkward (Manute Bol) unless they get rid of their lankiness by bulking up to inhuman proportions (Shaquille O’Neal). But even then there’s something circus-freaky about them trying to maneuver in a smaller world. Loping, gangly, hunching, not standing tall so much as diminishing oneself to not be such a spectacle.
That said, “optimized” is a good word. Six-foot-plus feelsgoodman.
Matt
P.S. Those twitter twats are just in a tweet frenzy, trying to one-up each other. It’s the nature of the medium and it means nothing.
On the other hand, the dude who calls himself “Exposing Heightism”? He’s broadcasting some serious insecurities by turning his shortcomings into a sympathy crusade.
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On a very basic level, the brain doesn’t give a flying fuck at a rolling dohnut what size the body it’s housed in is. The brain will take nutrients from wherever it wants – the body is a vehicle for the brain, and of course there are reptillian remnants in the brain, along with mamallian, to compliment our modern day rationality. The nervous system of shorter people is much better integrated than that of taller people. Impulses travel faster, and postural control is an easier task for the former, whereas back problems are common in the latter, like you’ve said. I’ve noticed taller men to be more ponderous, whereas shorter types are more dynamic-a bit of ball juice or a plate of dinner in a 60litre bloodstream will go further than when diluted in 80litres. Taller men are seen as authorities throughout their lives, and have greater expectations placed on their shoulders, even though they mightn’t have the energy to live up to those expectations.
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Some of my taller friends have complained that being tall means everyone is always watching them. They can’t get shot down and fade into the crowd. REALLY tall guys are basically a freakshow to everyone with people whispering and pointing etc. it’s like being forced to peacock in a way that the entire room will always see your every move/failure/mistake/insecurity.
This is fine if you’re Mystery and have the confidence/ego to say “fuck ya, check me out” and the game to use it to your advantage…but if you’re a normal dude who’s trying to learn game, it can be hard to deal with the extra perceived social pressure of being seen by everyone in the room at all times.
In terms of PUA, the 3s rule is pretty much out the window for tall guys lol. Whereas a short guy can pop out of the crowd by a hot girl he say 30 min ago and pretend to have just seen her lol
A handful of my tall & skinny friends get guys picking fights with them to try to “prove themselves” (of course they don’t want to pick a fight with my tall & buff friends lol). Like the guys are picking on them just because it would be bragging rights to take down someone taller than them.
I know a guy who’s super tall with a low deep voice and literally you can’t even hear him in the bar if you’re normal height because his voice is way up on the mountain lol
Anyway my point isn’t that being tall is harder than being short or average…it’s just that both short and tall have their advantages and disadvantages.
Either way, you do the best with what you got. If you gotta work a little harder, good, it’ll toughen you up and force your skillset to be sharp.
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Shorter girls.
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Whatever happened to not listening to a woman’s words? I consider short guy hatred to be just another shit test.
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I think I have a better tolerance for short guys, I’m with a man that is only 5’8. But then I am short too (5’1).
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How do we know those angry twitting women are not fat ?
That could explain the attitude…
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I noticed several “short guys are evil” comments. I suspect that’s their hamsters saying “short guys know game better than tall guys and one fucked me recently and walked away”
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Good point, corvinus.
The rancor was so unaffectedly flowing in that twitter stream that I forgot the most obvious possibilities.
And yet one senses something deep in that communal text. Some tang of truth.
Short players are a seriously respectable breed: hats off to ’em.–
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And yet one senses something deep in that communal text. Some tang of truth.
I’m seen sickeningly beta behavior from guys that gets them a hot girlfriend, but in all of these cases, said guy is over 6′ and is coasting on his height and good looks.
Short guys — and even average guys, since, unless you’re Dutch, Lithuanian, or East African Nilotic, “average” means “significantly under 6 feet” — had better alpha up, otherwise we ain’t gonna get anything desirable.
Little Man Attitude exists for a reason, y’know.
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Hmm… I wonder if the reason Dutch are so tall is because Dutch women are much more biased toward tall men than normal. Back two hundred years ago, the Dutch were in fact known for being short, and it has been a wealthy country for hundreds of years, so they were getting enough to eat.
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Very good observation, Corvinus. Nicole, bring this man a beer. Put it on my tab.
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I would just point out that judge a woman by her actions and not what half hearted drivel spews out of her cake hole. The bottom line is if a chick is DTF it will happen regardless of what the guy says unless he just flat out shuts her down. I think she is just toying with him. Escalate. Use Double Entandres and Plausable Denability. Ask for sexy pics. Does she call you when shes drunk… Try to phone bone her. Try to isolate with her. Anyways, I would spend as little time and energy on this as possible, while using my resources for personal development and other chicks you dont have a personal history with. Whatever you do dont get her pregnant or marry her or any female for that matter.
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That’s not true, even if a woman really is DTF you can surely screw it up.
I have a friend that KNEW a girl was DTF ( she told her bestfriend that she wants to fuck him and her bestfriend is a friend of his so she told him ) and sadly the beta was so strong in him he fucked it up, he drank too much and couldn’t get it up ( might’ve also been performance anxiety ), you can imagine after that night she didn’t want to repeat the experience.
If you fear failure enough you can stay unfucked a long time regardless of how good looking (he is), young, horny (you or her) are.
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Here’s what the teenage reader needs to hear.
The girl has issued an INVITATION. It’s an invitation surrounded by beta traps, but it’s an invitation nonetheless. He should take a shot, and soon, not just because he might get sex out of it, but because it’s important to learn the habit of being bold so his next 40 years will be full of goodness.
His strategy should be verbal denial combined with physical escalation. As Heartiste says, he should agree with the girl that they can’t get together…and keep agreeing right up until his cock lances her cooch. No beta declarations of feelings! Drop all the “friend” behaviors until sex has occurred. Meanwhile, he should get her alone and escalate physically and fast. The goal is to make it “just happened”. And do it soon!
All the commenters saying he should forget her are teaching him beta habits. Johnny Caustic Maxim #1: Strike while the iron is hot!
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I used to be so beta (omega?) that I was elated when a 5.5 or above was willing to use my readily available affection to play mind games with her boyfriend. If only I could’ve seen a post like this back then…
Check out my brutally red pill blog: http://suppressedtruthsociety.wordpress.com/
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First, some background info:
I’ve been a keyboard jockey for the past year since I learned of the manosphere.
I’m 20 from somewhere east of Austria and west of Russia ( i’m a little paranoid..) , ectomorph ( tall, skinny, babyfaced ) and a virgin. I’ve had few experiences with women and those have been really beta until I found this blog and other stuff like rationalmale, tyler of RSD etc. I’ve been soaking all this information like a sponge, it ALL makes sense to me, i have very good memory especially about the interactions with most of the girls i’ve known that i really liked and was friendzoned by and I can pinpoint exact moments in time and location where I was just so godawfull beta; i think this has helped me a lot since i don’t really need to make the same mistakes again with Game in mind.
Anyway i intended this as a field report and advice fishing so here goes the story:
I took the bus from one town to another and a somewhat cute girl ( I’m not really sure I could rate her yet.. I honestly didn’t take a thorough look of her but she’s good looking enough that I want to fuck and that’s all that matters to me right now ) sits next to me. I’ve never came even close to approaching strangers in my life but I just said to myself that it is fucking time I do something about it. I’m not very sociable and I was really tired at the start of the 4 and a half hour bus ride so I just stood there relaxed ( i had to make a concious effort to be so ) and with my eyes closed / looking through the window , contemplating approaching her but I was so fucking tired that I could barely keep my eyes open because they literally hurt if i did so for a couple of minutes so my plan was to just rest for the first 2 hours, get a coffee to jumpstart my brain after that ( halfway through the ride there’s a 20 min stop ) and while doing so I’ll start chatting a bit with her. Problem was she didn’t sit in the restaurant during the stop, she went to the bathroom and got straight back into the bus. I stood outside for the whole time and finished my coffee. After the break I knew i had to do SOMETHING but i just couldn’t get myself to start doing anything no matter how stupid it was so like the awkward introvert that I am I whip out a clipboard from my backpack and start doing some college homework on programming. I know she looked at what I was doing and I’m not sure if this helped my cause or it was neutral in the end but I think it did help a bit.. programming on paper seems extremely complicated to people who don’t know wtf it even means, it’s like an alien language and I do think i came off intelligent even without talking about it even though it came from a place of betatude ( i started it mostly to impress her ). I finally feel that I progressed enough and that I should stop so I do and go back to looking through the window / listening music. At this point in time no words were exchanged, not even a glance at each other.
Now my internal monolog kicks in and I try to convince myself that it’s not so big a deal if I try to speak to her, this paranoia of mine has had me subconsciously convinved that society will judge and mock me if I ever did approach a girl so I’ve tried to train myself to not give a fuck even if that happens ( my rational brain knows this is total nonsence but it’s just an irrational fear of mine.. ). After about one hour of literally telling myself “DO IT , DO IT, do SOMETHING, doesn’t matter what happens it’s experience, FUCKING DO IT ALREADY” i finally get myself to do it, i take out my right headphone ( she was sitting to my right ) , tap her lightly on the shoulder and this is the ‘conversation’ :
me : where are you going? ( litteral translation is where do you get off but it doesn’t mean ‘that’ , i didn’t know if she was going to my city or some other along the route )
her : (suprised, looks to me) *my town name* ( goes back to looking straight at the seat in front of her )
me : (small pause) what were you doing in *town we left with the bus*?
her : (looks to me again) I was coming from the airport ( same as before ).
me : oh, so you’re going to college in another country?
her : no, i already finished college ( terse.. )
me : (fake laughter, i don’t know what came to me it was so fake i feel like punching myself for it ) really? ( i don’t know if this came off a little beta, it seems like a compliment but not a really big one )
her : yes ( again terse answer, goes back to playing with her thumbs on her purse’s straps and looking in front of her )
At that point i felt that any more questions would be going into needy territory and if she wanted to have a conversation she’d do so without me badgering her so I shut up and go back to looking through the window.
I felt so fucking good for having overcome my fear, i wasn’t “giddy” about it like super big smile and everything.. i was just amused by my first approach and was happy the universe didn’t collapse , no one laughed, she didn’t mock me etc.
I was like this for the remained one hour and a half to the final stop. I felt that she was feeling really awkward all this time but I knew that me feeling good about myself was something.. good and part of feeling good was that I felt good and she felt awkward since it “should” be the other way around in the beta mindset.
The final stop comes where both of us have to get off the bus. I was feeling so good that I said to myself “fuck it, might aswell get her number what’s the worst thing that can happen? she says no? who gives a fuck i’m feeling good” so here goes the last part , sadly i can’t remember this perfectly as i was partly shell shocked
me : (outside of the bus, i go to her ) So aren’t you going to give me your number?
her : ( flustered ) well..
I get my phone out ( very cheap phone with normal keyboard ) and give it to her telling her to put her number in , after i “shove” it in front of her I also tell her “I suppose you still know how these keyboards work, afterall you did FINISH college..” ( she had a smarphone ). She doesn’t say anything, doesn’t take the phone but tells me her number is kind of new and she’s not sure if she knows it by heart but nevertheless slowly blurts it out. I put it in, ask her what’s her name and call the number and surely enough her phone rings. Now I tell her “allright, I’ll call you” and proceed to walk away. I didn’t think to give her MY name so she asks me about it, tell her my name and walk away.
Right now the shell shock is half wore off and I realize i have a raging boner but I don’t give a flying fuck, I realize that it shows through the pants and am a little annoyed by the head of my dick hitting my thigh and the very uncomfortable position of it but i didn’t think adjusting it while she might still be looking at me from behind would be very good. ( like, if I was alpha and had beded a lot of women more beautiful than her why the fuck would I get a boner from getting her number? ) .
You might be thinking, nice story but this last part confirms you’re a troll but i am honestly not making this stuff up.
Now I don’t really care if it works out or not, I take this as a huge victory and a step forward no matter what happens from here on out but this thinking can also be limiting.. like I should atleast do my best to try to sleep with her not just give up now because ‘it doesn’t matter what happens’.
Considering the part of the world I’m from and that women aren’t even remotely as bitchy as the women protrayed by CH and most of USA manosphere I don’t think I should wait very long to call her and set up a date besides I feel that the way I’ll do it is far more important than the precise time I wait. What do you think?
If I actually schedule a real date and she doesn’t flake I’m a little worried about my excitement levels.. if i got a boner just from looking her straight in the eyes and seeing ( what looked like ) that deer in the headlights look wtf will happen on the date? I know that you can play it off and she might even be into it but I don’t think a constant boner or even a very early boner ( after I hug and kiss on the cheeks when we meet ) would serve me very well… Can this be solved by such simple means as a fap before the date?
Nevertheless I’m truly grateful for all the work that goes in the manosphere and to CH in particular, it’s honestly one of my top 3 reasons I love the internet so much.
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This is the exact time he should remove the shoulder for her to cry on and pay a lot of attention to someone else. Anyone else. In fact, several other chicks. Do not offer emotional support to any women who is not your Wife!
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Seems to me this chick is running dread game on her bf. She’ll probably leave her phone out somewhere the bf will find it and is tempted to read her recent texts.
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Maybe he can take her outto see the new Star Trek movie, assuming she isn’t a feminist and iz offended by the blantant racist and zexist overtones. Those crazy feminists. ..
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2013/05/22/star-trek-into-darkness-its-a-white-mans-universe-spock/
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Declare your interest with a YouTube video.
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That guy is a little turdy for my taste.
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This is the male(?) equivalent of that clingy girlfriend video chick… note how they both have the same strange look in their eyes.
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I bet he knows the difference between all that the different types of coffeeon the menu at Starbucks and would explain it with a twinkle in his eye.
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If this guy ain’t queer, he’ll do until queer comes along.
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He looks like that annoying jackass that would use a medival flashmob to propose to his pigger girlfriend and post it on youtube. 6 month old video, 4 views.
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I wonder if the girlfriend was one of the four or not. Or three, rather, since Anonymous had to have seen it in order to post it here. (I didn’t look at the page myself, because I didn’t want to knock the counter up to 5.)
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He’s a clown
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You’re right. A dancing monkey for female attention. I bet always making her laugh but never wet.
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Got to be her gay bff.
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he’s a gay straight, if that makes sense
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Shoot me in the face.
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While reading the texts you can almost hear the “Twilight” soundtrack playing in the background. Find some way to give her the drama she so obviously craves. I’ll leave the how part to the experts here.
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Sometimes, it’s best NOT to say anything. get the hamster spinning. Why?
Because if it’s some real thing, then she’ll follow up her desires.
If not, then reacting would probably provoke a “you’re so cute…”.
This is a shit test.
I have failed a number of these in the past. Once a girl I had banged suddenly disappeared probably because of some beta shit I did.
Later she wrote something along the lines of “How’s your relationships going?” and I bit on that..
Her reaction was the satisfaction of knowing she “got to me”…and it went no where. I felt bad. She felt great.
In this situation, the Original Poster’s “Hamster” is spinning.
Disappear. This is a great time to dump her and let that desire spin.
The reality is if she’s truly feeling attraction, she will act on it.
Then he can be the greater beta.
If she’s just being an insecure chick..not responding would be the best action.
It’s the hardest… but in this case I would suggest a “Soft-next”…
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How can anyone who reads this site think this is anything other than flagrant beta-bait? The best response among CH’s suggestions would have been “whoa, this is all news to me”. I would add to that, “obviously neither of us can act on this while you have a boyfriend… but give me a call when you’re available” and then STOP, I repeat, STOP communicating (which is what the guy should have done three years ago!). Eventually the guy will get a call from the girl when she’s broken up with her bf… or he will get an invitation to her wedding. In the mean time, stop wasting time with this girl and look for a girl that’s actually AVAILABLE.
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I think CH (and many of his followers) are being way too timid here.
Sure, she mightbe just playing him. Maybe it’s even probable (the likelihood is possibly looks-dependent, and in any case is probably less likely than it would be if they were both a few years older).
However….fortune favors the brave. This guy should just go for it.* I certainly wouldn’t advise him to not even try – this just sounds like fear of rejection.
Like others have said, her obvious invitation is a game-changer, one way or another: either he accepts he’s getting played and backs off (hence ending the friendship), or he goes in all guns blazing (also ending the relationship as just a friendship). Doing nothing isn’t really an option (trying to ignore the offer and continue as “just friends” would be, at best, extremely awkward, and at worst, a destroyer of his dignity).
So just go for it, what does he have to lose. If it turns out she’s just playing him, he has lost nothing.
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The main problem I have with this is that it gives her more power than she ought to have in principle. The main power given is that of cheating behind her bf’s back. Girls should not get away with that.
The secondary power is the ability to elicit a hopeful response. This is somewhat mitigated (but not entirely, to be honest) by the “caveman” response of going for it, nonverbally. You still gave the response she tried to elicit, but maybe in a way she didn’t expect or bargain for. It’s 50-50. You can take her, but looking back she can say she was in control.
But back to the first point. The bf is getting played and the girl is getting two fuck buddies. Are most of the good chicks taken? If not, take a different one instead.
The best thing is not to have spent 3 years as e-tampon. A lesson for the future, girls are supposed to use girlfriends for that, or something, not guys. It works better. Girlfriends will call them out on their bitchiness or even sabotage them, which is why they prefer a trustworthy platonic guy friend.
Don’t be that guy friend. When she gets a boyfriend, wish them both well (he’ll probably need it!) and close off from her.
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[…] A beta will choke on the red pill, or reject its notion altogether, and he will suffer for it. An upper beta may learn enough game to get some scraps of ass, but be ignorant to the larger picture of feminization. A natural alpha, one of the Men at the extreme end of the spectrum who somehow avoided the re-educational downfalls of a feminized culture to maintain his operative stance enough to have always gotten his way with women will be near the top. Near the top, but not on top. […]
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Hey… Go for it.
In this twisted, evil scenario is a narrative ripe with death and dishonor.
See. it does not matter how much, or not is paid…, whether you sort-of or properly fucked her, you are the potential payorrree.
Take fotos. Take lots of screensaves Keep a good AR in reach.
Because if its worth doing, its worth doing well…
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Candy-baby. We are both of us filtyhy rich because in our own family way before we were even born and will exist always as hopelessly far-gone Neanderthals…. 4 plus % ers in the wrong time and place.
You thought you were too weird to fit in… ever. I am here to say that that an airplane fuck is still a fuck…
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Yeah, do it. The relationship between her and her bf is not your responsibility.
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This is one of those times when no response is required.
This is a shit test. It is aimed at sparking a response and is a cry for attention.
Sometimes I think posters here without actual experience of game over-think this.
I think sometimes you can say “gay” or “k”.
other times saying nothing would spark more attraction.
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I’ve been playing hard to get with this 8 that has been hugging and complimenting me in social gatherings for the last month. She’s 17 years younger, but knows I’m going through divorce and maybe was playing nice. Yesterday I went back home after dinner and she texts me: “You know I’m here for you. Always”. I just replied “Come visit one day” since it was 3 AM already. Was this the right move?
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I don’t see where it would have hurt your chances. I would have personally responded something a little more challenging, a little more playfully uncertain.
“You know I’m always here for you.”
“;)”
It allows her to read her own intentions into your response without committing you to saying anything that may jeopardize your chances by coming off as sounding needy or too eager. You need to maintain her plausible deniability up until the moment you undress her, so she can claim it “just happened.” Later on, I would invite her out for X and continue the progression in person, always leading towards the sexual yet never discussing it, keeping the tension on the line taught without yanking the hook from her mouth. My .02 cents.
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Your .02 cents are worth gold, Patriarch. I’m just recovering from marriage where I played beta for the last few months because of exhaustion. Now I’m almost back into the dating game but I need to update a lot. I guess she’s giving me all the clues I need, right? But here’s the thing: my body reacts to her advances, but my mind is off (probably due to recent divorce) and I think this aloofness is what is keeping her interested!
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There are far more advanced players here than I but thanks none the less. Matt King and YaReally should be in at some point. They have different styles of pick up but these guys know what they’re talking about and can give you a different take than jusf my perspective.
Being aloof, really really matters. This girl is an 8. She looks good. She has options. The moment she knows she has you wrapped it’s game over. Allow the seduction to unfold without ANY verbal acknowledgement. Your mental state will set the stage for your actions which will influence her feeling towards you which means how you think of herself will determine how she sees you. If you see yourself as a guy who really wants this girl to like him and is concerned with how she views you,, you’re going to become that guy to her, and she will run, not walk away, or worse, try to keep you as a friend. You need to see yourself as a man who doesn’t need her, a man who has options. Sure, she’s attractive (do NOT tell her that) but hey, you’ve got options. Lots of women give you attention (this is ok to HINT at, meaning plausible deniabilty) and you’re just talking to this girl.If she stays, she stays and if she leaves then it’s no big deal either. Whatever happens with her, happens. Maybe she will prove herself worthy of your affection, maybe not. Invite her out and see. If you see yourself in this light, she will also.
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Yup Patriarch, not only she has options abound but she keeps them open, having some flings around. I know her as an acquaintance for over 10 years, and she has always been very touchy and even submissive to me, although she’s known for her promiscuity. Now that I’m off the hook she’s advancing more clearly towards me, complimenting me, touchy and even suggesting that I must be good in bed. I never raise an eyebrow.
I have other prospects open, so there’s no oneitis going on. I just want to do it right because some quality banging could help serious ego boosting for future game.
I agree with you in keeping the right mental frame and not verbalizing my interest. I hope Matt King and YaReally will also provide some feedback so I’m fully back where I deserve.
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I bet if feels good to be free of your former slave driver. Welcome back to the land of the living…
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It feels great so far! Thanks
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Got something I’d appreciate help with.
Girl I gamed successfully and banged for 4 months, suddenly we hit a period of turbulence.
I got this text following me telling her that “I thought you were different” when she was withdrawing and putting her work in the way of getting together:
“What I need is someone to comfort me…when I’m frustrated but you disappeared (yes, I did a freeze-out) and gave me pressure (I told her to dress nice when we planned to meet up) you’re only thinking of someone to comfort you. U ONLY LOVE YOURSELF (her all caps) u don’t care about other people’s feelings.”
How do I respond to this if at all?
This girl couldn’t do enough for me and was quite clingy
I thought my game was tight: push-pull, preselection, disappearing, comfort, cooking breakfast when she stayed over etc.
It’s been 4 months since we started going out.
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Looks like you overqualified.
When a woman sends that kind of message what she’s really probably saying is that you’re making her feel ashamed or like a fool for having sex with you or having feelings for you.
This is the time when you have to decide whether you want to keep her, and either back out or become territorial. Don’t be capitulating though. Give her orders.
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Shit test. She’s calling you out. How will you respond indeed?
“I thought you were different. You don’t care about other peoples feelings, you only care about yourself…blah blah blah…”
“BRING THE TACO BELL AND THE MOVIE.”
She can either love it or leave it.
If you capitulate and apologize or retract your
behavior and go beta male, then she will tell you
“It just isn’t the same anymore. You’ve changed blah blah …”
Go cold, go distant if you have to but only one of you is going
to give into the other. Who’s it gonna be?
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You need to read the “bring the movies” post.
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Thanks, the “Bring da movies” line is over-gaming in this case. The girl knows I’m dominant.
This stems from some type of ASD, lack of comfort or perhaps, probably a desire for control—the ultimate shit test.
I have been alternating between dominance and beta provider game (that’s the reference to disappearing).
While I’ve never conceded my frame, this seems to be some type of test.
My inclination is to do nothing. To follow my own advice posted above for the original poster—say nothing.
But any one else seen this situation?
As I read it, this seems to be a kind of inner conflict between submission and breaking up.
It’s the idea that women want that “Comfort” but don’t want a beta guy giving it to them.
A dilemma for me…for now, I haven’t replied, though I would see her inadvertently next week as she signed us up for some dance classes next sunday.
Bring da movies is over-gaming in this case.
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When I said “bring the movies” I don’t literally mean for you to use that direct line. It’s the concept behind it. You need to steam roll over her framing of the situation, show you are unconcerned with her threats and have full confidence in her staying. Do not even acknowledge her opinion because as far as you’re concerned she isn’t going anywhere, and if she does leave for some stupid emotional roller coaster reason she’s crazy, and you treat her accordingly (you never cared if she stayed or left in the first place afterall). This isn’t about her frame, this is about YOUR frame. You have got to frame this in your head as nothing more than a shit test. Anything else in your brain is going to appear to be validation of her rationalization of your behavior. “You’re only in love with yourself blqh blah blah”….the moment you defend yourself to her is the moment you lose frame and reveal you really aren’t as selfish as and dark triad like as she hopes, giving her justification to leave, and she will leave.
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It’s the concept behind “bring da movies.” It’s a total non acknowledgement of her opinion. She wants to see if you’ll blow it off or backtrack and start rationalizing your behavior to her. You don’t need to literally say “bring da movies.” This is about your frame. Either you assume she’s going to stay and brush her stupidity to the side or you engage her in discussion of it, handing her evidence you do care and you’re worried about her leaving. One of you will give in.
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Women’s opinions don’t count. They’re just vocalizing their feelings. The only opinion that matters is the man’s.
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If you’re concerned enough to ask here than you may inadvertently be telegraphing to her that you care more than she does, so her natural inclination is to push harder to see if you care as much as she suspects. You think if you were George Clooney she’d be complaining about how selfish you are?
She ought to be grateful you’re wasting time on her. She isn’t the last girl on Earth you’re going to be with, not even in the last ten. The more you overthink her stupid vocalizations that Corvinus mentioned, the more it’s going to happen. Never argue back, unless of course it’s an internet forum and the “woman” in question is a loud mouthed obnoxious black woman and it’s just damned entertaining watching her spin her hamster and self hatred into oblivion.
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my reply was “yup, the guy your mom warned you about” was bring da movies-ish, dismissive, agree and amplify with a sexual undertone.
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Sounds perfect to me. Any alternative to that concept of response to me seems placating and outcome dependent. It’s like when a girl says “I love you?” Where the tone of her voice goes up at the end of the sentence, accenting fhe word “you.” It is a question, looking for the right response, and the right response is not “I love you too.” Substitute a silly patronizing kiss or grab her ass and howl like a wolf. The point is show her you like her, don’t tell her.
“I love you?”
“I love me too.” *kiss her*
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@Patriarch. The right thing to do would have been to maintain radio silence. But, I ran some vulnerability game the night before. She sent that long, angry response above.
It indicates typically that girls are emotional and invent drama. She’s claiming I didn’t “comfort” her but doesn’t mention that she blew me off when I invited her over or made various plans. It’s her rationalization and inner conflict.
So in response to the angry “You only love yourself” blah blah blah…there is some projection there.
The “Ya…i’m the guy your mom warned you about” is agree and amplify, it’s cocky, it demonstrates a kind of dismissiveness and a kind of enigmatic “is he mad at me?” idea.
If that was the last text I ever sent her, I’d be happy.
The pre-game me sent volumes of rationalizations and defensive “But I did so care for you…” responses.
In fact I did reply when she sent a similar text a few weeks ago.
It got me nothing…just more grief.
One other thing. I called up another girl I know and went for drinks and made out. So overall, my inner game was dented but not damaged.
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I guess my comment got lost to moderation limbo.
In any case, the point I was trying to make (I graduated from a liberal arts college last year) is that the rhetoric circulating the campus is “only yes means yes.”
As in, the only time you should ever be having sex with a woman is when she gives a “clear and sober yes.”
This was the same messages I got from my feminist mother, and why I was a virgin until I was 22 (quickly lost that virginity after I read this blog and found out how women will REALLY give you the green light, which is not always in the form of a verbal “yes.”)
The sad thing is, looking back on my life, I actually got a lot of indicators of interest from some very pretty girls! But I never knew when to make the move because I always had the idea that “if she wanted me, she’d let me know.”
What the feminist crowd doesn’t tell you (and it’s probably because they don’t know themselves) is that they won’t signal their interest in a man in the same way that a man will signal his interest in a woman. Probably because, hey, men and women are different.
So to circle back to this beta orbiter and the comments along of lines of “why wouldn’t this guy make a move already?” Well, it might because because he’s swamped with the current cultural propaganda, and he’s waiting for that “clear and sober yes.”
And “I think about doing things with you” and “if only I can act on these thoughts” are, to the feminist compliant man, a no. And since women don’t actually want the feminist compliant man, this orbiter’s girl is never going to give him the green light he’s looking for (the literal “yes.”)
Or hey, she might.
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And “I think about doing things with you” and “if only I can act on these thoughts” are, to the feminist compliant man, a no. And since women don’t actually want the feminist compliant man, this orbiter’s girl is never going to give him the green light he’s looking for (the literal “yes.”)
It can be argued that feminism is one big sh*t test for men, to weed out those males who are foolish enough to do what womyn tell them to do. Sensitive feminist males will be excluded from the gene pool.
But then again, why play the female’s game at all? Supposing men on a campus were to declare to womyn: “From this day forward, we will not ask you for sex. If you want it–you liberated lasses can take the initiative and ask us.”
The price of the much monologued vaginae would drop through the floor. Those men who practiced game would find themselves besieged by females.
This might take a certain degree of discipline, but would revolutionize the social scene.
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