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The Pill And Divorce: The Real Connection

May 29, 2013 by CH

Some religious organizations have long argued that widespread contraception use leads to higher divorce rates because severing the connection between sex and procreation also severs the emotional connection between spouses. The duty one feels to one’s spouse is weakened when the primal bonds of sex and the consequences which normally follow in the state of nature are thwarted.

They may have a point, but I’m going to present what I believe is a more compelling reason why contraception use (predominately the Pill) and divorce track each other so closely. For a graphical representation of how closely the rate of Pill usage and the rate of divorce have tracked over time, see this (original source here):

That five year lag time between the rise in pill use and divorce is critical. It’s solid evidence that once women had the Pill down their throats, they began escaping their marriages in droves.

The Pill is one of the Six Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse. Like opening Clamdora’s Box, the Pill is one of the six crimson spirits that now haunt the world and visit upon the civilized West far-reaching unintended (and perhaps intended) negative effects. Why would Pill usage contribute to a rise in the divorce rate? For an answer to that, you have to look to women first, and how the Pill alters their perceptions of men.

And what the Pill does to women’s brains is… how shall we say… veeeery interestink. Women on the Pill experience a shift in their mate selection criteria and begin to prefer plodding dads over plotting cads. Actually, not so much prefer boring betas as avoid sexy alphas.

Extrapolating from this premise is enlightening. What do most delicious SWPL sluts women using oral contraceptives do once they get married, or not long after getting married? That’s right, they go off the Pill so that they can start a family. And what happens when women go off the Pill? Their hindbrains shed the fog of feeling satisfied with beta male cuddles and revert to adoring sexy alpha male power thrusts, and that adoration reaches maximum cervical impact one week per month when fertile.

So perhaps the Pill and its relation to divorce is not so much about severing emotional connections as it is about reconstructing sexual connections. The wife whose lust is freed from the false prison of the Pill will suddenly, and quite inexplicably to her conscious evaluation, discover her beta husband — the man who fulfilled her in most ways when she was on the Pill — is sexually repulsive. This disgust will reach a crescendo 25% of the time of her pre-menopausal life, and she will either succumb to cheating with a more dominant man, or she will do the “right thing” and leave a marriage that is making her unhappy because her beta betrothed-turned-beta bother doesn’t know how to “communicate” with her and “meet her needs”.

And of course the beta hubschlub, tricked by the Pill’s abetting and steeped in his anti-male culture and believing everything the wife wants is good and true and everything the husband wants is wicked and false, will do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he should do to reignite his wife’s post-Pill listing libido. He will crank up the beta, figuring that more of what sealed the deal in the first place is just the medicine to prevent the deal from breaking.

And he will be sorely mistaken, and for his good-faith efforts at reconciliation against the headwinds of unacknowledged and often heatedly denied biological reality the state will reward him with a family court ass-ramming so deep and girthful he will come to accept as a means of psychological emollient that his life is rightfully meant to be a dutifully suffered shitfest endured with stiff upper lip. And then he will be a dead man walking.

The problem of post-Pill wives losing their desire for their husbands is so bad that drug companies are trying to create a compensating pill — call it the Thrill — that will reinvigorate flagging female libidos. The intention is to cure “hypoactive sexual-desire disorder,” aka HSDD, by tapping into the primal recesses of the female brain and manipulating lustful brain lobes into activity.

The Thrill may work, but I bet not in the way the researchers intend. This is because the “problem” is not so much low female libido, but low female libido for their betaboy husbands. The added clause is crucial. A pill that fuels female clit boners will reawaken women… straight into the arms of interloper alpha males. Imagine a world of supercharged horny housewives boffing everyone in sight. Shit just got a lot more interesting.

A Thrill pill that tricks wives into perceiving their beta husbands as sexy romance novel stranger-from-afar badboy alphas may or may not work to strengthen the institution of marriage, but I can tell you one intervention that is GUARANTEED to help your marriage: Game. Specifically, dread game. A small adjustment in your mentality and behavior toward being more of an alpha male can gain you all the benefits of a thrill pill-popping wife with none of the dangerous side effects.

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  1. on May 29, 2013 at 12:42 pm Kate

    “The Thrill may work, but I bet not in the way the researchers intend.” LOL Once again the ending to the Meaning of Life comes to mind: a horde of half-naked women all chasing after the *same* man. This misdiagnosis is going to exaccerbate the problem, not end it.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm Heywood Jablome

      Yep. Overcorrection leading to further loss of control. Much like using wild, frantic steering & braking inputs to keep a car from sliding off the icy highway.

      Buckle your seatbelts, fellas, and amp up the caddishness.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 7:44 pm Kate

        The teacher in me says, “Nice simile!”

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 11:34 am Matthew

        What’s the teacher’s name?

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:06 pm CT6

        More importantly, how many times has he been there?

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:28 pm zmbikilr

      There was a time when masculinity was celebrated by society – maybe those days will return.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 7:42 pm Kate

        I hope so, Mr. Z 🙂

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm maurice

      That skit was about a man choosing his way to die. Maybe not the best example…

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 7:46 pm Kate

        No, maybe not the best. See? Women can control hypergamy 🙂

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 8:59 pm santa666

      The problem we have here is an additive feedback loop. This results in poles in the right half plane, an unstable system. What we need is unity feedback with a PID compensator. This is why game is so effective. It’s an active control system, which is required to manipulate any complex dynamical system. The establishment, in their simple minded way, keeps trying to very the feed-forward, which inevitably just results in a further loss of control.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 9:12 pm Survivorman

        Yo santa,

        Never heard game described as a feedback control system! I like!

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 10:37 pm santa666

        You can think of the different aspects of game: caddishness, assholeness, aloofness, and tenderness as step inputs. Create a MISO block diagram with these as the inputs and the moisture content of her vagina being the single output. Now, the trick is developing a system that varies the step input of each essential aspect of game depending upon the rate of her moistening as well as the IAE between desired moisture content (for you!) and current moistness.

        Art produces for the few, engineering is for the masses.

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  2. on May 29, 2013 at 12:42 pm Greg Eliot

    Nuthin’ like them good ol’ fashioned cuntry values.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 9:48 pm Anonymous

      Great reference video. Sometimes we forget how game-changing it was.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 6:57 am Greg Eliot

        Yup… it’s one thing when the snarky SWPLs on the coasts tout something…

        It’s quite another when you hear it from the salt-of-the-earth hinterlands.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 7:03 am Matthew King

        Chilling. Seriously: creeped me out. Invasion of the Body Snatchers-level spookiness. I thought it had to be a parody.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 11:50 am Greg Eliot

        The chilling part is that this was actually a fairly big hit back in the seventies… got cross-over play, even.

        No parody, bro… more’s the pity.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 3:54 am Kgaard

      I’ve always thought of Loretta Lynn as a great benchmark for wholesome American beauty of 50 years ago. She exudes what you might call biological strength. Everything about her looked strong and healthy. Fifty years later you just don’t see it much anymore. Certainly it’s rare among women in their 30s. Loretta looked good well into her 30s. Today … maybe some women … but it’s a frailer sort of beauty.

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  3. on May 29, 2013 at 12:43 pm Man Reader (aka Dead Man Walking)

    “And he will be sorely mistaken, and for his good-faith efforts at reconciliation against the headwinds of unacknowledged and often heatedly denied biological reality the state will reward him with a family court ass-ramming so deep and girthful he will come to accept as a means of psychological emollient that his life is rightfully meant to be a dutifully suffered shitfest endured with stiff upper lip. And then he will be a dead man walking.”

    This is so true and it hurts real bad.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm man reader

      “RT @LaidNYC: The nicer you treat a girl, the better she’ll think she can do. ”

      So fucking true and I am apparently incapable of learning.

      I remain…

      CH’s stupidest reader.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:34 pm PetiteOlive

        awareness is half the battle…or so they say

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:54 pm Gf

        Yep. I need to be aware that stupid women require me to be mean to them while their profiles say “chivalry is not dead!!!”

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:46 am Stilicho

        Along with a $3,000 handbag, of course.

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm Anonymous

        #brokenrecord

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 8:08 pm Canadian Friend

        When you fall off the horse, climb right back on it

        when you fall off a woman, climb right back on another ( figuratively speaking…although literally speaking can work too…)

        The best way to forget a woman is meeting a new woman.

        the best way to learn is to try and try and try

        I have had my heart broken, I have been mistreated by horrible women, and I’m old (53) so believe me, I know ( and still learning even though I am getting better every year )

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 8:10 am Man Reader

      CH, you are a divorced father, aren’t you? One has to have actually been through “no fault” divorce/child theft to have the insight that you seem to have.

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  4. on May 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm tjic (@tjic)

    In other news, woman writes in to Salon: “I guess I love my responsible fiance, but I really lust after the unemployed alcoholic who almost gave me herpes and now won’t speak to me.”

    http://www.slate.com/articles/video/dear_prudence/2013/05/dear_prudence_video_pining_for_mr_wrong.html

    Compared to laughing at Salon all other forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do love it so!

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm tjic (@tjic)

      Ooops. Slate. Salon. Whatever.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:37 pm Zombie Shane

        Thanks.

        I just went over there and threw a little gasoline on the fire.

        We’ll see whether the cunts at Salon [or Slate or whatever] censor my post.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 8:00 pm corvinus

        Gasoline hell… you pee’d all over them. I saw all your posts — they’re still up.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:30 am sk

        +1

        What I found most interesting was that now that I have been choking on the red pill for a while, all of the excuses/reasons that the commenters are proposing (therapy, nut case, etc.) involve much more effort and assumption and still don’t seem to answer the question. The hamsters are out in full force… Whereas HBD explains it all in a simple model.

        Occam’s razor FTW!

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 6:53 am Pole

        You should have focused on the ‘men’ with your time there. The women’s reaction was expected considering it was their blog and they had other female support. They’ll never admit to a truth unless they need to, much less when surrounded by grrlpower. Those men should be focused on, as you can be a kernel of hope in the pc slop women feed them about what women want. Reading those comments though I found something I thought very interesting. These women all ostricized the chick in the video without really offering her any solutions or “No…that’s not smart, you’d be better off with him.” They were like a collective tree begging for a twig to be quickly chainsawed off, offering no aid to her. Are women really this openly dispassionate these days? Guess theres nothing feminine about feminism.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:33 am Georgia Boy

        Yep. “Oh no, there’s a woman over there who’s making us women look bad, circle the wagons!” It’s that automatic, they instantly forget why they came there in the first place (offering advice). Dispassionate I wouldn’t call it though, certainly it’s more emotional than putting useful advice together.

        Shane, good work. There could be no better an example of taking the battle to the enemy, than posting skilled Chateauspeak in that blue-pill hellhole called Dear Prudence.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 8:10 am casaanova

      And THAT’s why I’m not even thinking about getting married anytime soon

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 9:33 am man reader

      I repeat: CH, fuck you have a tough gig. How the fuck can you stand to read stuff like slate.com? i literally could not stay there more than 10 seconds. I just tried it. Under the article by the manboob feminists, you find a girl saying being pregnant at 26 is weird in New York. Jesus fuck. I cannot even read that shit.

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  5. on May 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm Tampa@hotmail.com

    I don’t think any of this really matters because I think marriage as an institution is like the buggy whip. Yesterday’s news. Dead and gone. I’m mid 30’s and I don’t have a single friend in a relationship that is headed toward marriage. I have a lot of friends getting laid and tagging a lot of ass, but not a single one in a realtionship where marriage is on the horizon. I honestly didn’t even really notice it until a few months ago. Personally i think it’s really sad….mainly because I wouldn’t mind having a family and raising some children to pass on my genetic lineage. But the women of today are not worty of marriage. Most of them are disloyal whores…..And that’s not a bitter assesment. That’s reality. ALmost all of them will throw their current boy over board for something better if it came along. Back in the day it was town news to be banging some guys wife or girlfriend. I’ve probably tagged 5 dude’s girlfriends in the past 16 months. Sickening.

    What’s funny is that I know of a sea of women in their 30’s that are clamouring for a wedding ring and none of them are even close either.

    There is a huge sea change in this country happening right before our very eyes. Nobody is really having kids and everyone is just bascially banging each other. And the women don’t see that they are digging their own grave.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 12:52 pm late late late bloomer

      brother i think i’m where you are. i thought it sounded so fun getting into this forbidden fruit of hot wives and girlfriends. but every marginal notch on the bedpost reminded me how bad they really are. like some of them were ‘nice’ women with families and even staring at the ceiling of a hotel room wouldn’t consider themselves trashy sluts. you end up looking around and realizing there just aren’t many good girls out there.

      however– there _are_ some. they are few and far between but they exist, and to them cheating is anathema. i haven’t figured out how to know up front yet but i know of 3 or 4 women whose response to someone hitting on them wouldn’t be bitchy or “oh yeah?” pre-flirting, but just “that’s weird”. and they wouldn’t consider it at all.

      i gotta find one when the time comes. unlikely but worth a shot.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:03 pm foolmetwice

        To reference the top half of your comment: the most disheartening thing in the world– lack of success with women. The second most disheartening– success with women. Finding out what really makes them tick, seeing how transparent it all becomes… it may not be what you want it to be, but at least you’re not blind anymore

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm Canadian Friend

        When I don’t have a woman in my life I badly even desperately want one

        and when I have a woman in my life, they usually drive me crazy with their mind games and I want out !!!

        women…

        can’t live with’em, can’t live without’em

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 6:54 am Greg Eliot

        women…

        can’t live with’em, can’t live without ’em

        FIFY

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 7:05 am Sandra

        So you guys admit to tagging other men’s wives or girlfriends. Do you consider yourselves just as despicable as she is for doing that? You’ve helped her betray her boyfriend or husband.

        Yes, there are decent, loyal, honest women out there, the kinds of women you’d want to be with. Some of these women will find out that you’re banging other guys’ women, and there’s a chance that these women will want nothing to do with you, and classify you as someone of low character. Which would be appropriate, don’t you think?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 8:06 am goodspeed

        “So you guys admit to tagging other men’s wives or girlfriends. Do you consider yourselves just as despicable as she is for doing that? You’ve helped her betray her boyfriend or husband.”

        This is stupid. First of all it is the women who are in relationships, and therefore have made a promise to stay faithful to their SO, the men OTOH have made no such promise.

        This doesnt mean that I think fucking someones wife is okay, but it is the person that is in a relationship that has the ultimate responsibility for their own faithfulness.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 12:42 pm Sandra

        “This doesnt mean that I think fucking someones wife is okay, but it is the person that is in a relationship that has the ultimate responsibility for their own faithfulness.”

        I agree that the person in the relationship holds more blame, but still, the context of my comment was, a “good” woman, a faithful woman, a woman that some of you guys say you want, would judge a guy who was banging some other guy’s wife and think to herself, “I don’t like his morals and I think I’ll be giving him a pass.” Argue about that all you want, it’s still going to be the truth.

        You can lament about how there aren’t that many good women left, but if you behave like that (bang some other guy’s wife or gf) then you are at risk of repelling many of the good, faithful women out there. A well-raised, faithful woman certainly wouldn’t engage in that behavior herself (sleeping with someone else’s husbands or boyfriends), so why would she think it would be okay for you to do it?

        It’s not just one-sided. If you want to attract a woman with higher moral standards, your own moral behavior better be up to snuff too.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 12:56 pm zilla nation

      meanwhile the men watch them dig and prepare tolaynext to them, in an embrace as sterile as when they were alive

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:00 pm gunslingergregi

        god dam that was a hard statement

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:23 pm askjoe

      “a sea of women in their 30′s that are clamouring for a wedding ring and none of them are even close either.”

      I know, right? What were they doing in their 20’s? Dancing on bartops, hooking up with football players? Dating some guy whilst on pill and thus finding out that they actually hated their guts once the hormones wore off? Sadly, women in their 30’s aren’t worth marrying, unless there’s some serious sugar momma stuff going on (along with tons of yoga).

      IDK, maybe the gheys and the divorce have killed the idea of marriage. What’s so special?

      Oh yeah, I watched Everything Must Go recently, and that showed a divorce anal raping in slow mo as Will Ferrell is forced to sit on his lawn with his checking account shut off from him. Geeee, why would I sign up for that?

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 2:46 pm Canadian Friend

      “… But the women of today are not worty of marriage. Most of them are disloyal whores…..And that’s not a bitter assesment. …”

      Sad but so true.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm Zombie Shane

      “Personally i think it’s really sad….mainly because I wouldn’t mind having a family and raising some children to pass on my genetic lineage… And the women don’t see that they are digging their own grave.”

      No, dude, it’s YOU who are digging the grave – the grave of your entire 5-billion-year-old ancestry [going back to protozoa and red plankton and viruses and prions and shit].

      Jehovah spent literally BILLIONS of years patiently watching his children pull themselves up out of the primordial clay, and now you’re gonna piss all over his handiwork because you’re too much of a coward to knock up a bitch?!?

      Fuck you.

      In the ass.

      Gangnam-style.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 5:00 pm Zombie Shane

        “his handiwork” = His handiwork

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:03 pm zilla nation

        let’s leave the imaginary friends out of the science please

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm Zombie Shane

        Fuck you.

        And fuck your nihilism.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:14 am Subway Masturbator

        Poor logic, not believing in Flying Spaghetti Monster = nihilism. But your point on the unbroken millions of generations back to protozoa is a good one. Not one alpha missed, or none of us would be here. That’s beating something like 6-4 odds millions of times in a row. No wonder many are delusional that there is a Man in the Moon who is on our side.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:33 am Matthew King

        Citing “Flying Spaghetti Monster” is herd behavior. I know you think it marks you as transcendent to superstition, but the reality is the opposite.

        If you are going to mock theism, at least come up with a phrase that indicates you have thought about the issue, rather than being one more internet spambot mindlessly repeating another man’s trite cutesy formulation.

        You want to make fine distinctions between nihilism and godlessness, great. But you have already all-but-announced your inability to participate in a discussion at that level. Same with the “imaginary friends” stupidity masquerading as secret wisdom: to even employ that phrase indicates you have no concept of the thesis you have precipitously rejected.

        It’s like you’re reading from a bowdlerized version of Shakespeare with cartoon panels and thought bubbles rather than an annotated Folio, and then calling Shakespeare a simpleton hack. Education is hard, son. There are no shortcuts, no matter what the snarky Know-Nothing blogs have promised you.

        Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:11 pm Greg Eliot

        And might I add:

        You fairy.

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      • on June 1, 2013 at 12:42 pm Jason

        Greg Eliot is Salacious Crumb to Matt King’s Jabba.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:09 pm Tampa

        Not at all. My plan is to live it up until i’m about 45 and then try to find me a some chick in a non feminized country. Maybe some Asian girl or eastern euro. And i honestly would have no qualms about mail order type deal. It’s all transactional anyways. Everyone tries to deny it on the surface, but nobody is fooling anyone. I’ll provide a solid six figure salary, some alpha persona, you stay hot and thin and pop out some kids. Hell, you don’t even need to be able to speak much English. Just be nice, passive and thin.

        I would much rather plunk down some cash for a thin foreigner then sign up for the free deal with these American chicks I meet.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:32 pm Anonymous

        Please don’t make halfbreed children.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm corvinus

        Back in the U.S.S.R…. you don’t know how lucky you are, boy…

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 1:21 pm Whitehall

        Don’t forget that classical piece of wisdom for men:

        “Passion cools.
        “Looks fade.
        “Cooking lasts!”

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      • on June 1, 2013 at 11:09 am Hugh G. Rection

        Hardly billions of years. Earth is only 5000 years old, remember?

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      • on June 1, 2013 at 12:12 pm Greg Eliot

        “A day unto the Lord is as a thousand years to Man” doesn’t mean an exact number.

        Many cultures use “one thousand” to simply mean “a very large, even infinite, amount”… e.g., Scandinavians often say “a thousand thanks”, Arabs likewise “a thousand pardons”, etc., etc.

        There’s nothing Biblical about saying the earth is literally 5000 years old… we all know that to be false, and it’s just another way usually employed by snarky nonbelievers (present company excepted) to try and mock both the Bible and Christians… foremost the naive ones, who imagine literal mistranslations, ‘though their hearts may be pure in their simplicity.

        We’ve been through this before… sigh.

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  6. on May 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm late late late bloomer

    haven’t gone through the process of a girl coming off the pill, but i think this makes some serious sense. my happy-go-lucky lifestyle does tend to draw in the few-years-married girls. now i might be able to figure out exactly why.

    and anecdotally, i was ravaging one woman who eventually went on birth control in order to safely receive my internal riches– she got caught with messages to that effect and eventually went back to the guy that she was so certain to be divorcing. could have just been the normal girl thing of giveing herself an excuse for cheating, but maybe it was the pill allowing her to stomach her beta husband again.

    on a humorous note, after the guy knew what happened and knew who i was, facebook recommended me as a friend to him. people you might know: this guy smirking about nailing your wife.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm PetiteOlive

      “safely receive my internal riches”…..haaaaaahaha that’s gold right thurr! 🙂

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 12:14 am Jason

      You’re an asshole. Best to leave other people’s marriages alone.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:38 am Matthew King

        Hethz an aththole.

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  7. on May 29, 2013 at 12:47 pm embracingourfemininity

    Great post. I am 100% against the pill and pumping our bodies full of synthetic hormones. I have never and will never take the pill. I think it’s appalling what it does to women’s bodies and I think they need to be made more aware of the consequences before they take it. Everything that we need to balance our hormones exists in nature, if your hormones are imbalanced, your body is telling you there is something wrong. Eat clean, be happy, your body will be happy. Women are risking their fertility with taking these things, it is against nature. The number of women I know that have taken them and gained so much weight rapidly is also unbelievable. I’m not entirely sure but I also believe there may be some correlation between oral contraceptives and a man’s testosterone levels? Also bad news. I know when a woman is ovulating is when she is most attractive which of course makes complete sense as that when she is at her most fertile. We need to drop these things and stop playing with fire, ladies.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:12 pm Anonymous

      I’ve never taken the pill either. The urine of pill-taking women has also gotten into water and screwed up the fish. They examined fish in one study, I’ll try to find it. Of 100 fish, only 10 were male. 12 were hermaphroditic. The rest were all female. With normal populations of fish, there is like 50-50 ratio of males to females.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:37 pm corvinus

        Of 100 fish, only 10 were male. 12 were hermaphroditic. The rest were all female.

        If any of y’all are wondering why there are so many manboobs and faggots around…

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:49 pm Dan Fletcher

        This is seriously a huge problem that is often left unaddressed.

        How large of an effect does all the estrogen, pesticides, etc… have on male development and testosterone levels. It is not as all unreasonable to suggest that these factors have led to the steady decline in masculinity over the decades.

        What can an individual do to avoid these things? Distill your own water? Eat only organic food?

        Would love to see a blog post on this topic.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:54 pm Anonymous

        Hard to avoid it all. My husband just takes steroids to counter the effects with extra testosterone.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 10:10 am RafterManFMJ

        “I’ll just take steroids to counter all this extra testosterone. Using hormones sure ain’t rocket surgery.” – Idiot husband of Anon.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 11:47 pm the audacious amateur blogger

        K, it is a GIANT like astronomical so beyond the scope of this post problem. A similar research study found male fish in the Potomac out of DC were “becoming female” (when I see people swim that river I cringe). Hormones have totally and completely infiltrated our environment. However, the birth control pill probably lends itself to ohh.. 0.000000001% of the issue if that.

        Cattle are stuffed with hormones and steroids and antibiotics so they become fatter, yield more calves, don’t contract disease and various other reasons. Factories that make these products, and the overall overuse of antibiotics, hormones and steroids in medicine today (not just in women) has led to enormous amounts of run off into surrounding rivers etc. A cow shits and eventually the contents of that fecal output can be found in a river by you!

        Also… every time you EAST a steak it is already ripe with estrogen… not the pill peoples. Not on this one (still wanna do a self case study on men hitting on me and ovulation – turns out women are NOT hornier during ovulation but are more likely to get “dolled up” and attract men. They are actually most aroused immediately prior to and during their periods when there estrogen levels are at their lowest and testosterone levels their highest… all that testosterone just makes us wanna bang when you guys least wanna – cruel world we ladies live in!)

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:49 am man reader

        my and my ex GF/future fiance had best sex during her “menses.” Not the grosses part right in the middle but near the end…not too much blood, and she was H O R N Y. good stuff. good times.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:25 pm Neecy

        Lol I am starting to wonder about that ovulation thing. I notice I have a desire to come to this site and post more when I’m ovulating. Then when I’m no longer ovulating I don’t have any desire to post here. Interesting.

        [CH: Makes sense. Your quivering, fertile womb beckons you to impale yourself upon the CH staff of insemination.]

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:51 pm n/a

        I don’t know about that boyfriend of yours, Miss N.–

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm Anonymous

      In 2002, Colorado biologist John Woodling and a team of researchers found that female fish outnumbered the males and that some had both male and female sex tissue in the South Platte River and Boulder Creek. “This is the first thing that I’ve seen as a scientist that really scared me,” said John Woodling.6
      In 2003, the Seattle Post Intelligencer reported that Western Washington scientists found that synthetic estrogen can drastically reduce the fertility of male rainbow trout. “In frogs, river otters and fish, scientists are ‘finding the presence of female hormones making the male species less male,’ said Doug Myers, wetlands and habitat specialist for the Puget Sound Action Team.”7
      In 2005, Kevin Kelley, a research endocrinologist at California State University-Long Beach who studied the effects the estrogen found in the wastewater was having on marine species, said that modern sewage treatment facilities do a lot to clean up urban effluent, but they cannot touch many of the substances that are excreted with urine, such as estrogen.8
      In 2006, the United States Geological Survey performed a study on fish in the Potomac River and found that 80 percent of the smallmouth bass had intersex characteristics — these male fish were growing female reproductive parts.9
      In 2007, Karen Kidd, a biologist with the Canadian Rivers Institute at the University of New Brunswick, reported that estrogen from birth control pills can cause wild fish populations to collapse: “[W]omen on birth control pills also secrete the synthetic estrogen in those pills … And those estrogens, depending on the level of wastewater treatment, may not be completely broken down during sewage treatment, so they get discharged into rivers and streams.”10
      Dr. Jose Maria Simon Castellvi, president of the International Catholic Medical Association, reported in January 2009 that the birth control pill has devastating effects not only on a preborn person, but also on the environment. As he pointed out: “We have sufficient data to state that one of the causes of masculine infertility in the West is the environmental contamination caused by the products of the ‘pill.'”11

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm Canadian Friend

        Thanks for posting this information.

        It is not only drinking water, think about it, as a man exchanges saliva and other bodily fluids with a woman on the pill, he is ingesting a lot of estrogen.

        It has been said here before but this might explain why men are more effeminate these days, have lower sperm count et cetera…

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:06 pm embracingourfemininity

        Nice observation.
        What are we letting happen to our hormones?!! Men becoming emasculated, women becoming like men! There was a study done on strippers concluding that they make quite a lot more money when they are ovulating as men subconsciously find ovulating women more attractive. With the pill preventing a woman from ovulating they are also becoming less attractive. Another study concluded that women who take the pill are less attracted to masculine men and more attracted to to effeminate men. This is just so wrong.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:10 am Ruxman

        Are there any visual signs of an ovulating female? or is it all just perceived aura?

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:20 am embracingourfemininity

        Apparently there are very subtle changes in her tone of voice, her scent and her skin tone. Physically a woman will have much more abundant vaginal lubrication at the time of ovulation because this is obviously the time designed for intercourse to conceive. There are also many positive changes in a woman’s mood, energy levels and creativity during ovulation, which I guess men could detect.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:26 am Ruxman

        I think mood and willingness to share positive energy would be the most obvious, if anything is going to be obvious. Men have a poorer sense of smell, and feminine women always look good anyway.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:33 am embracingourfemininity

        I think the sense of smell thing wouldn’t really a conscious observation. I think that from an evolutionary perspective men being able to subconsciously detect when a woman is at her fertile peak would have been very important just like other animals can detect when the female is most fertile. Like a dog in heat, not a very nice comparison I know. The man will not be aware that he can detect a different scent, it will just happen and increase his attraction toward her and his desire to mate.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 2:54 pm corvinus

      The number of women I know that have taken them and gained so much weight rapidly is also unbelievable.

      Yet another reason to hate the Pill. Thanks.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:01 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “The number of women I know that have taken them and gained so much weight rapidly is also unbelievable.”

      Very true. Combine pill popping with the over-consumption of GMO-laden food of the typical American diet, and you’ve got a recipe for fatassery.

      I remember seeing boner-inducing size 4 freshman girls balloon into boner-inverting size 20s by the time they hit their senior year. I tagged some of them while they had bangin’ bods in their freshman and sophomore years. It was painful to watch a certified hottie shun the cock sandwich to scarf down another ice cream one. However, they paid the price when seniors like me would purposely ignore them to scoop up the fresh crop of freshies and still-hot sophs for grad dates.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm PetiteOlive

      I am with you on that. I have never taken the pill and will never take it. Condoms or better yet sustained abstinence all the way.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:49 pm Anonymous

        Condoms suck too. Just wait until marriage and when you’re married, let babies be conceived.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 6:59 pm cynthia

      Indeed. Also never been on the Pill – don’t intend to go on it, ever. A lot of my friends did though… back in middle school. Who knows what kind of re-wiring those hormones put the developing adolescent brain through? Truly a tragic thing. But of course, we’ll never see an honest study, so the masses will continue to claim that there’s nothing wrong with it.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 7:28 pm Zombie Shane

      If that picture really is “embracingourfemininity” – if “she” isn’t really just some balding fat dude typing away furiously from the cozy confines of his Mom’s basement – then somebody from the Chateau needs to put a few buns in that oven.

      Dadgum.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:28 pm Neecy

        I see babies for zombie on the horizon!!! 😛

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm embracingourfemininity

        I’m blushing right now! haha

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:51 pm corvinus

        Feminine women are hotter than masculine women. News at 11.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 2:16 pm Neecy

      Agree embeacibgfeminity! BTW I LIVE YOUR BLOG 🙂

      I have NEVER taken birth control and I’m so glad I haven’t. Also they say birth control is one if the main concerns for breast cancer b/c of the estrogen. I just don’t believe in it. I have fibroids and my obgyn wants to put me on low dose birth control to shrink them and I refuse to do it.

      The bottom line is birth control is synthetic and goes against nature. I almost sold the drug YAZ and MIRENA years ago and I’m so glad I didn’t b/c now all you see are legal ads for people who have been on these birth control pills and had all of these negative side effects like blod clotting.

      Best form of birth control is controlling who you have sex with and using protection with that person until you decide you’re ready to have children.

      Birth control gives a lot if women the freedom to screw indiscriminately but women’s health is taking a hit b/c of it. And the plan b pull us even worse. I have a friend whose married but they’re not ready for kids. So everytime her and the hubby has sex without a conform she takes the plan b and says it screws her and her hormones up for like a month.

      All those birth control pulls are bad news!

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:45 pm embracingourfemininity

        Thankyou Neecy :), that means a lot to me.
        Oh I feel for you, I’ve never had any problems like that but I respect your decision to stay strong and not go on the pill. I’ve heared that some women have had success with a paleo style diet for fibroids. Maybe worth looking into?

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:55 pm n/a

        I recommend frequent anal, eased with a fragrant and edible and appropriately extra-virgin coconut oil, for both of you very pleasant and feminine ladies.

        Anal conception is rare.–

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  8. on May 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm Mr. Roach

    Everyone laughed at the Catholic Church’s condemantion of contraception. It’s now pretty clear that they were on to something pretty relevant that wasn’t even apparent to me until later in life. We live in a world of sexual anarchy, and the fruits are single moms, ill raised bastards, poverty, leftist socialism Beta Dad Government, and the destruction of a once capable and civilized country.

    Just once I want to hear a preacher talk about women “womaning up” and doing something, because they’re the gatekeepers, they’re the ones who will need to collectively change their behavior.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:31 pm jjaldk

      Well, yeah. Sex is supposed to be inside a marriage and is meant to create children. This is necessary for good society whether viewed from secular or religious perspective. We’ve had the Friends/Melrose Place world since the early 90s. I complained way back then. Way back before Sex and the City. I’m tired of people citing that show as an example of modern women. It started with Friends and Melrose Place and, actually, 90210 telling our women, class of ’93, how to be. woe is us.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 2:57 pm corvinus

      Meme idea: photo of an old Catholic cathedral, with tag, “Miss me yet?”

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm Stilicho

        Paging Matt King…paging Matt King….

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 7:15 am Matthew King

        I have little need to comment. My work is obviously done here.

        The “Dark Lord of the Crimson Arts” quoting the wisdom of Pope Paul VI. The preponderance of the readership (some grudgingly, others gloriously) acknowledging the wisdom of Catholic prescience. CH quietly getting married this week. What more is there to do?

        Si monumentum requiris, circumspice.

        (The epitaph of a great cathedral builder.)

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:51 am Stilicho

        CH quietly getting married?

        Prove that and I’ll abandon my atheism and promptly join the Catholic Church.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm Matthew King

        It’s a taunt, not a hypothesis. Hang out with men sometime. You might become one.

        Fruitcake.

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  9. on May 29, 2013 at 12:59 pm Flavia

    This is actually really interesting and makes a lot of sense. Then again, when women go off the pill, isn’t it to get pregnant? I suppose the big time to track divorces should be between her going off the pill and conception.

    Not being the ratchet DC slut this blog is used to, I didn’t go on the pill until I was engaged, and honestly do not remember a change in preference when I went on, or (subsequently) off it.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:27 pm TheCoolah

      The problem is that once off the pill, they have their 2 kids and then the couple often opts for a permanent form of birth control. So the normal hormonal cues return, as CH noted, a few years after getting married. Also, this is anecdotal but I’ve heard from women who don’t want to go back on the pill after they’ve been off it for a while (to have kids for example).

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm Kate

      The important thing is that you met your husband when you weren’t on it, so it didn’t interfere with who you chose.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:59 pm Anonymous

        Yep women do the choosing.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 11:27 pm the audacious amateur blogger

        Addressing the “its important to have met him before…”. So you sayin’ that if once in love always in love 🙂 Like we meet while I am on my old school ortho-cyclen then I stop taking it 5 mos before we wed I will still be completely devoted to him even then?

        Does that not moot the point of the I don’t wanna procreate w a beta argument. It take me or anyone about.. 45 seconds to subconsciously decide of she wants to mix genes w someone. I think if you are still in love and still want to bear the children of your betrothed off BC – you are OK. But we all have what is important to US.

        @ Cynthia – who I am now guessing is a man bc youi ask “can periods be that bad….”

        Women have been dealing with a lot of things we don’t need to anymore. Humans are. Would you not get chemo if you had cancer?

        How about – ALL MEN OUT THERE – and chix – for or against epidurals? How bout C-sections? why not let women endure 3 days of labor of a breached baby only to have them both die in pain and agony??? you never take an advil for a headache?

        Just listen to your own question k. Now, I had a more… a bigger reason than PMDD (aka being a royal bitch, of my own admission, having migraines, cramps so bad it did feel your insides torn out, breasts so tender it hurt to wear a bra, back aches, I vomited in pain sometimes – sure I could deal, and be a great student and employee all at the same time bc ya know women get it at like 12…) but for me I had to go on it for a “bigger” health issue (yes at 18, young and fertile…).

        Re: BC and attraction. How do I know? errrr… I went on it at 19. I think id notice of all of a sudden that straggly guy w the buck tooth in psych 101 started to look good to me after a mos or so after I was on it? I also emphasize im an alpha widow remember. maybe I should go off it, I may actually wanna procreate w a beta – if what you are saying is I would be attracted to the opposite???

        annnnd, I have gone years in between not on it, including a 6 mos hiatus recently in order to “test” my fertility bc as I get older I wanna keep tabs on my lil eggy’s so I went off. hmmm, got bitchier, had cramps, broke out (I never had acne before) annnnd… wasn’t attracted to anyone in particular. post break up pining. Also, everything is A-Okay in egg production land.

        Sex drive – high.

        Health and the pill (sorry peeps I studied this shit too and I NEVER take anything OTC or prescribed or recreationally wo doing due diligence, my body in my temple.. hello). Actually, almost all ways BC prevents cancer, it also prevents the OVER flood of estrogen. See back in the good old 1 in 3 women died in childbirth days women spent an avg of 10-20 or more years pregnant before they died in childbirth.

        Women got pregnant, miscarried, pregnant, stillborns, pregnant had a live birth, like 10 pregnancies and 4 living kids, today we spend 2 years pregnant if that. Which means our bodies are so flooded with hormones they shouldn’t be THAT causes cancer. Just a lil piece of obviously but not so obvious knowledge there

        for the married folk; You want your wife off the pill – and you wear a condom??? right? ahahahahah

        plan b?

        actually im anti plan b, toooo many hormones all at once 😉

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  10. on May 29, 2013 at 1:03 pm Paul Timo

    Humanae Vitae = prophecy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanae_Vitae

    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6humana.htm

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  11. on May 29, 2013 at 1:04 pm Funk13

    Wow
    Great way of explaining what many of us have had to learn the hard way.
    It would be great to get some more techniques of turning on one’s wife using game without having to do prison time or buy a motorcycle… I personally have stumbled onto a few useful ones and have gotten some what I consider to be “results”; but I’m on a constant quest for “more”.
    I’ve been working on building my confidence and making slight adjustments here and there. One thing that I’ve found that works powerfully is increasing my perceived value by becoming somewhat of a cad by keeping a cadre of work wives and girlfriends. All those horny women around me night and day makes my wife’s pussy wet any time I can indirectly put her attention on it!

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:18 pm pooralpha

      believing everything the wife wants is good and true and everything the husband wants is wicked and false, will do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he should do to reignite his wife’s post-Pill listing libido. He will crank up the beta, figuring that more of what sealed the deal in the first place is just the medicine to prevent the deal from breaking.

      yoooppp, I remember how my humorous attempts at anal and threesomes went from being cute and naughty to completely yucky to off pill gf.

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  12. on May 29, 2013 at 1:13 pm newlyaloof

    Clamdora’s Box?!!! Damn near Pulitzer-Prize-winning phrase right there.

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  13. on May 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm pooralpha

    I was lucky that my finance went off the pill about 6 months before the wedding. Saved me soooooo much future heartache because she bailed with literally 1 month to go. I don’t know if her-pill-addled mind made me as a beta, I thought I was very much a bad boy to her. Truth hurts.

    I am scared for buddy who is a rich beta and who’s wifey will go off the pill about 2 years into their marriage. I’ve seen his skill-set: cling-harder. He’s not going to have a good time.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm Tampa@hotmail.com

      Her baililng probably saved you a 100k financially nightmare and 3 to 5 years of heartache. For what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 1:51 pm pooralpha

        and cankles…saved me from being around after the wall hit too.

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  14. on May 29, 2013 at 1:22 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    With all due caveats that this is argument from anecdote, I present that this has not been the case with me. I was on the Pill for years and years, from long before I became sexually active (had a medical issue) until a couple of years ago, when I finally got sterilized.

    My patterns of attraction did not change. I feel no more attraction to “bad boys” than I did before; if anything, it’s the opposite. (Perhaps it is simply that I am older now, and having gotten burned a couple of times has instilled a Pavlovian response to bad boys.)

    What did change is that now, during the week of ovulation, I get a lot more positive attention from men than I ever did before. It took several months for me to make the connection, but once I did, there was no denying it. It’s as if they can smell it or something.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:25 pm peckerwood

      Interestingly enough, while on propecia, I never had any of the side effects. But going off the stuff? Holy shit, I was in testosterone shock for months. Like Hulk Smash bad. Did it change what I liked about girls? Nah, still no luv for the fat hoes.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 1:50 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Why did you go off of it, if I may ask? Did you decide to go the “screw it, I’m just gonna shave my head” route?

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 2:00 pm peckerwood

        Turns out, my hair is glorious and it was getting expensive. Hairline hasn’t moved in the 2 years since I stopped. Also, it turns out that no one knows what the actual effective dosage is. People take 1g a day but it could only be 25mg needed or one 1g a week. Noone knows. Plus, the side effects were coming to light. Some sounded quite insidious.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Yeah, like that medication you can take to cure toenail fungus…that can cause liver disease. Um, yeah, thanks, I’d rather have toenail fungus. (NB: I do not actually have toenail fungus.)

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 1:42 pm Tampa

      Probably has more to do with how you dress during ovulation than your smell.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        That doesn’t change much, either. It sort of can’t. I work in an environment that requires I dress conservatively. The only thing about my appearance that changes is that my lips (ON MY FACE, YOU PERVS) do swell up a bit, and although it’s subtle enough that I doubt most casual observers would notice, I can certainly tell.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 2:23 pm Funk13

        Oh yes…. Those lovely lovely lips….
        A dead giveaway.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:00 pm corvinus

      We know you’re weird, RD.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        …well, sure, but I’m not sure I’m weird about this. I know several married women who went off the Pill to have families, and then stayed off of it when their husbands got the Snip. They’re all still with their spouses. The only bitching I hear seems to center on how much of the housework the men do or do not do.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm corvinus

        Never underestimate the boner-killing power of kids for other men. There’s a reason single moms are so easy.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:18 pm Hugh Mann

      “What did change is that now, during the week of ovulation, I get a lot more positive attention from men than I ever did before. It’s as if they can smell it or something.”

      http://www.unm.edu/~gfmiller/cycle_effects_on_tips.pdf

      Lap dancers not on the pill get higher tips when ovulating. Men CAN somehow tell.

      (Mind, “the optimal strategy for obtaining tips is to focus on men who are
      profligate, drunk, and gullible rather than those who are intelligent, handsome, and discerning”)

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm Harry Morgan

      Actually, you are making an argument from anecdote and CH is making an argument from correlation (divorce rates and Pill consumption). This is not a complicated distinction.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 7:34 am Matthew King

        All female argument is “argument from anecdote.” As long as we don’t let them build nuclear reactors or engage in politics, we can tolerate this mode of “thinking.” They are endearingly self-referential; or as you fellows imprecisely term it, “solipsistic.” What happens to them happens to the world!

        Women specialize making Kantian hypothetical imperatives into categorical ones. And we love them for it because it’s precious and neotenous and cute and so distinctly female. Indeed, self-reference is the distinction which separates feminine mental processes from manly ones. Men are from Abstract-Universal, Women are from Particular-Personal.

        +1 pink point on Rape Daughter’s girl card. Slowly she’s pulling herself up out of epicene ambiguity by the brastraps! I’m proud like a papa.

        Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:02 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Speaking of endearing femininity, Matt, I just greeted one of my buddies by belching “Hey Toolshed” at him, while flipping him the bird. Usually I just give him the finger, but thanks to a remarkable confluence of kismet and the bacon I had for breakfast, I just happened to have a burp on deck when he rounded the corner.

        The best part is that I laid it down right where he’d have to walk through it, and he wasn’t quick enough on the ball to hold his breath. Now he knows what Paleo smells like in the morning. (Victory!)

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:48 am Matthew King

        I am groping for my smelling salts. Finishing school was wasted on you.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:21 pm Greg Eliot

        Geez, woman… save something for the marriage!

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Of course I’m saving something for marriage, Greg. The editorial farting, for example, comes after “I do.”

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 6:56 pm Dan Fletcher

      “What did change is that now, during the week of ovulation, I get a lot more positive attention from men than I ever did before. It took several months for me to make the connection, but once I did, there was no denying it. It’s as if they can smell it or something.”

      Did you ever notice your skin “glistening” when ovulating?

      I have a theory that when women have that “shiny” look to their skin they are ovulating. Just conjecture though. Some women always have that sort of look. I find it quite attractive.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 7:04 pm Anonymous

        Most Western women don’t ovulate. They’re on the pill.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 7:57 pm Kate

        Gosh this just struck me as so sad.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm n/a

        I wept as well.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 6:34 pm Kate

        Could a woman who doesn’t ovulate *ever* be as attractive as one who does? Its like robotocizing oneself. Innate availability signals wouldn’t emanate. Yet another bulletpoint under the list of reasons women are becoming less attractive.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 8:03 pm corvinus

        No wonder I don’t want to fuck them.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 7:51 am RappaccinisDaughter

        No, the only thing that’s visible is a slight swelling of the lips.

        It’s actually a rather unpleasant process for me physically; I’m one of the “lucky” ones who can feel it when it happens. It’s a brilliant, sharp, stabbing pain that I initially mistook for appendicitis. Then I get nauseous and dizzy. Lasts a couple of hours.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 7:54 am Matthew King

      I was on the Pill for years and years, from long before I became sexually active (had a medical issue) until a couple of years ago, when I finally got sterilized. My patterns of attraction did not change. I feel no more attraction to “bad boys” than I did before; if anything, it’s the opposite.

      You are a science experiment, a Frankenstein’s monster (the chiseled jaw gives it away). You spent your youth in an artificial hormone bath, and now you’ve mutilated the organs that make you female. Your “patterns of attraction” are fundamentally scrambled, your wires crossed and short-circuited and re-pathed. The “control” element of your experiment was itself an experiment.

      After physically and psychologically developing under the influence into what you are today, you do not suddenly snap back to pre-pill condition. You grew up on the pill, you are the pill. You stomp on the essence of what makes you a woman for the sake of sexual “convenience.” You cannot know the consequences of that regimen because you have no contrasting frame of reference. You cannot replay the last two decades without the pharmacological mutation and compare.

      Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:39 am RappaccinisDaughter

        “You stomp on the essence of what makes you a woman for the sake of sexual ‘convenience.'”

        Damn skippy, baby. And if you were in my five-inch stilettos, I bet you’d do the same. Let’s examine the deal that you are offering to the women of the world, shall we?

        1. There are only two things about you that matter: your physical attractiveness, and your ability to breed children.
        2. If, after breeding those children, your body does not return to its former state, it is perfectly acceptable for your husband to cheat on you.
        3. In fact, it doesn’t matter how hard you work to stay attractive; it’s perfectly acceptable for your husband to cheat on you anyway because That’s What Men Do.
        4. You, on the other hand, are expected to remain faithful.
        5. You are also expected to remain submissive to your husband’s every whim. You will stay home and tend to the children, preferably by homeschooling them, while he gets to go out and interact with other adults and be stimulated by the vigors of work.

        Does that sound attractive to you? Would you take that deal?

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm Matthew King

        You have elevated paranoia to a lifestyle. Brava/o.

        Those are possible facets of the “offer,” sure, but you exaggerate their importance. You acknowledge none of the dignity of being attached to a great man and forming a generation of heroes. The “alphas” you think you know are redneck poseurs as hypnotized by the false promise of dignity-through-sterile-friction as you are. “He gets to go out and interact” sounds like you are stitching up an impromptu philosophy straight from The Feminine Mystique and The Chateau, an ugly patchwork of opposites, the worst of both CH and Friedan.

        There are more than “two things about you that matter.” You become gentled, the equal to a noble man by being more fully feminine, not by aping masculinity. You have bought into the adolescent CH dogma that cad = alpha.

        [CH: How many times do I have to say alpha does not necessarily mean admirable? Do I have to include it in the banner on the top of the blog?]

        Don’t you see, though, that “buying-in” is exactly what a woman is best at doing, and you automatically and unconsciously have done it around the ethos of the alpha male of this forum — the one holding all the power — who taught you “the deal that [men] are offering to the women of the world.” He quietly redefined your understanding of what a man is, and you lapped it up like a supplicant kneeling by his feet.

        If you ever met a true man in your life, he would redefine the silly, default-feminist expectations that are stunting you into an ethos all your own, and you would thrive, and you would hardly recognize the life of quiet desperation you left behind.

        The world does not exist to “stimulate[]” and “[in]vigor[ate],” you, Princess Trucker Cap. Mercy, you need to be slapped around hard.

        Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “Life of quiet desperation”? A little experiment for you, Matt: Go to Google and, in the search box, type the words “I hate being a.” What is the first auto-suggested search? And why do you suppose that might be? Hint: It’s not a Google bomb. Complete the search and follow any of the links that come up; even an army of Friedan worshippers, clacking away at their keyboards like the proverbial million monkeys, couldn’t produce that record of human misery.

        But let’s not get distracted. I asked you a very simple question, and you haven’t chosen to answer it. I’ll ask again: If you were a woman, would you live as the tradcons prescribe that women should live? Do you think you would enjoy it?

        And although I recognize that the world doesn’t exist to stimulate me, I must remind you that if there is going to be any slapping, I’ll be the one doing it. Remember, King A, the safe word is “harder.”

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm Stilicho

        Nice riposte. I doubt you’ll get a reply though.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm Matthew King

        If I were a woman, would I choose to act femininely? Yes, tranny. Did I really need to answer that? Couldn’t you guess?

        You rail against your own nature and blame man for it. It isn’t “tradcon” — whatever that label is supposed to signify — to remind people that they live best when they do what they are made to do. You have some ugly resentment about being born with lady parts. You hate them, you sterilized them, you cauterized them, tied them up. It’s like a man cutting his balls off.

        And I’m the one who has to explain myself?

        You need to delve deeper than “the first entry in a google search” to understand the mysteries of your nature. Of course women hate being mothers these days. We’ve been ramming that insane propaganda down their throats for fifty years. But you’ve swallowed it voluntarily. Because there’s something about your development you haven’t shared with us.

        Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:48 pm Greg Eliot

        The fact that “I hate being a mom” tops the charts is reflective of several things:

        1) Women have certainly earned much of the dismissal and downright abuse they experience nowadays, to voice such disdain for their own flesh and blood.

        2) Internet harpies who imagine themselves “hep” for all their caterwauling on iPhones and the ‘net will certainly outweigh the consensus of normal women and moms, who don’t really have the time to belabor Cyberia with their issues, both real and imagined…. you know, the actual loving mothers who nurture their family… and are tickled to do so.

        3) The Apocalypse is nigh, as per 2 Timothy 3.

        4) The soul of a woman was created below.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:49 pm Greg Eliot

        Nice riposte. I doubt you’ll get a reply though.

        Actually, no… no it wasn’t.

        You fairy.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:27 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        @Matt: I don’t blame anyone for anything. I don’t blame men for being men, or for wanting the things that they want. (Actually, I rather enjoy the company of men. Present company excluded, the sentiment has largely been mutual.)

        I have simply elected to use the free will with which I was born–and the innovations of modern technology, many of which were generated by those eeebil M-E-N you have decided that I hate–to live as I wish. You see it as unnatural; mutilation; transsexualism. I, on the other hand, experience it as freedom and joy. Even when it has cost me. Freedom always does.

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 6:24 am Matthew King

        You have “simply elected to use the free will with which I was born–and the innovations of modern technology” to reject if not outright eradicate your nature. “Year Zero,” “Tabula Rasa,” “New Man.”

        You have described the postmodern project, which elevates the vicissitudes of individual will above reality. Which is what spawned feminism itself — the idea that we can tailor our sexual identity to our precise liking — which is what spawned the mass physical and psychological mutilations of the past century. You embody transsexual arrogance, and the result is a harrowing ugliness that cannot be found in nature.

        But I’d still hold my nose and fuck you back into alignment. I’m a humanitarian.

        Matt

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 11:20 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Of course. What else could possibly do the trick of changing my entire worldview and personality…save the magic penis of Matthew King? My gratitude at your benificence and sacrifice truly knows no bounds.

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 3:53 pm Matthew King

        …the magic penis of Matthew King.

        You’re not the first to call it magic. (Are you Jen or Aimee or Becky?)

        Though its transformative powers diminish the closer the recipient gets to infertility. By time you’re 32-35, there’s not much suppleness to work with. Heart hardened.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 9:54 pm magic penis

        “By time you’re 32-35, there’s not much suppleness to work with.”

        Infertility or not, aren’t you too old to sex 32-35 year old women?

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:10 pm Matthew King

        [CH: How many times do I have to say alpha does not necessarily mean admirable?]

        How many times does one have to repeat a falsehood before it becomes true? That many times.

        [CH: But the fact remains that there exist socially maladapted badboys who clean up with women. This makes them alpha, despite your protestations to the contrary.]

        Alpha means power, enthrallment, leadership.

        [A shiftless cad can have all three of those. Power isn’t just measured by some corporate hierarchical flowchart you know.]

        These qualities are universally admired or respected. These are morally neutral terms. But while we’re talking here, how many times do I have to say alpha “does not necessarily mean” mimicry of external alpha tells to “play” with women more efficiently?

        An alpha does not have to use his power to act morally. But if he does, he is not any less an alpha — except for the idea that morality is a sign of weakness. This idea is wholly separate from an investigation into a power relationship, and, in any event, it is a simple intellectual error common among adolescents getting their first taste of freedom.

        Regardless: that wasn’t my point. You cannot reduce alpha to his caddish tendencies, even if they were the decisive factor of alpha status, which they are not. There is no connection between cad and alpha. “Admiration” (as a morally charged word) is a red herring. Cads are admirable in their own way.

        R’s Daughter has swallowed your definition of alpha = cad, which is why she assumes that any relationship with one must result in her exploitation and misery. A thrill for a moment, but a raw deal in the long run. That misunderstanding derives from your reduction of an expansive concept into something small enough to fit your idiosyncratic, street game theory.

        Fine with me. That’s your gig, your eternal focus. But there are more things in heaven and earth … / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

        Matt

        [This semantical arguing is tedious. Alpha and beta are terms (not invented by me, btw) that have become popularized because, like any good brand name, they succinctly encapsulate the nuances of the products they describe or represent. That is why even a Slate manboob writer with undescended testes can recognize the power of those words and find himself incorporating them into his lexicon.]

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 6:09 am Matthew King

        [This semantical arguing is tedious. Alpha and beta are terms …]

        But that’s just it. You make the tedium necessary by burying the lede. You define terms by assertion and assume them inarguable. “Alpha and beta are…” is easy to say. And questioning the validity of your assertion is indeed a tedious task. You ask your minions to persevere on mere faith, which many do (R’s Daughter the most recent example).

        Your focus is on the sexual application of the “popularized” terms. Which is great. Until you start reverse-engineering them into general circulation, assuming that the concepts are exclusively sexual in application. It’s a tail-wagging-the-dog situation.

        Do you follow? You (or F. Roger Devlin) borrow some terms from ethology, focus exclusively on their application in sexual relationships, whittle them down to fit this particular SMP application, and then bring that narrowly construed definition back into general application. Thus everything is perceived through the sexual lens, and you can say:

        [… socially maladapted badboys … clean up with women. This makes them alpha …]

        I’m not “protesting” this conclusion. I’m pointing out the exact moment when you become mindlessly dogmatic. “Clean[ing] up with women” is a single, almost totally incidental side-effect of alpha, not the essential defining factor. Wilt-Chamberlain notch numbers may be what drive you and many men like you, but they are far from definitional.

        This is more than academic. It’s the buried error that forces you to elevate Chris Brown or Tavon White over Julius Caesar or George Washington. Because “socially maladapted badboys” tap more ass than the generals who effect their will over millions (and historically, billions). Instead of simply rejecting these absurd conclusions of your theory case-by-case, be more consistent from the start.

        Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:15 pm Alexander

        “1. There are only two things about you that matter: your physical attractiveness, and your ability to breed children.
        2. If, after breeding those children, your body does not return to its former state, it is perfectly acceptable for your husband to cheat on you.
        3. In fact, it doesn’t matter how hard you work to stay attractive; it’s perfectly acceptable for your husband to cheat on you anyway because That’s What Men Do.
        4. You, on the other hand, are expected to remain faithful.
        5. You are also expected to remain submissive to your husband’s every whim. You will stay home and tend to the children, preferably by homeschooling them, while he gets to go out and interact with other adults and be stimulated by the vigors of work.”

        1. – and raise them too. Instead of letting them be raised by street or a lot better(but still inefficient) – somebody that is not their mother.

        2. Those who think like this shouldn’t marry. But it’s still not true that you can’t do nothing about it.

        If I invest a ton of my energy into passing shit tests of my nagging wife + staying alpha and asserting dominancy in almost everything(otherwise losing hand) and constraining my self of beating the shit out of her, amidst of other problems that make me question about the worthiness of living – on a daily basis – wouldn’t it just be right to expect of her to be at least capable(I repeat, fucking capable) of making my day better(in all of despair of that moment),
        To invest some time and effort in her female game(not becoming a cow) to keep me interested, means to invest in marriage and children too, and in your own good too, since it will surely gain you more favor than being fat and nagging.
        If I have to invest in keeping my alpha frame, every day, why on heaven couldn’t she try to do it to?

        3. No, that’s what undersexed, underappreciated, and disrespected alpha will surely do. Seek Christian alphas and if he’s doing good, or at least acceptable work in keeping you interested – make effort in keeping him interested with which you’ll make his principles of not cheating you stronger, and than he may cheat you only once or twice in whole life.

        4. Yes. So is he(well expected). If you don’t go to clubs and places where that is expected to occur don’t worry(so much). Similar for him(provided he has strong principles)

        5. Definitely NOT. It will get him taking you for granted.
        BUT never go confrontationally on him. Cause if he doesn’t give in, you’ll hate him(for the time being though), and if he gives in you’ll resent him for being weak.
        Rather play on the card of hurtness, and tears, but do not try to impose your will(well that has it’s moments too – but only on things you objectively CAN’T compromise. If you turn from teary to aggressive in these rare occasions he’ll get the hint and it will surely get him not to do it. Nuclear threats – divorce, and taking kids away in these rare occasions may be the option) and not on every damn thing. Playing on tears will make him more prone to compromise – sometime you’ll have to be more consistent as it may not bring results as fast as you would wanted.

        Moderation is your best friend. React according to importance of the matter at hand, if it’s really not THAT important, and he is stuck with it let it go. Give hand. It won’t result in him throwing you away as you would do to your man if he gives hand. It is more likely to result in more loving you – if you give hand in consent way, and not angrily.
        Not just lot of the gals, but also a lot of the guys too, could apply this “moderation is your best friend” rule. That by definition means that good Christian Paulinian advice of dying to oneself and to your own passions, anger and most of all your pride is A BEST method of achieving this. Yet convinced Christian is what you need to be to pull that off…

        Don’t harbor pride in yourself, instead worry about whole family as a one organism, and have it always on your mind – the best for you and him together, not separated, ever. Always think of peaceful solutions, where both of you benefit and never of arguments, or how to win the hand and rule.

        By staying at home nobody thinks of you being tied to oven or the house doors. I don’t know what are the circumstances of your life but I think that everybody has some friends(for God’s sake), so you can visit each other and spend some time together(do I really need to write this?), get your kids and their to play together, or whatever, well ask any housewife how they spend their time… Hint: being without job doesn’t mean that your life will be without any vigor, and that you won’t see any people(really are they your only friends? Odd.)

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 6:22 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        You haven’t spent much time reading this blog, have you?

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 12:17 am Alexander

        … And your premises show how you understand things on this blog/and life in general?

        Make distinction between alphas on the hunt/not ready to settle, from those willing to have kids. All said.

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  15. on May 29, 2013 at 1:25 pm Wrecked 'Em

    Not to nitpick, but this graph doesn’t control for population growth. You have % of marriages ending divorce vs. absolute numbers. The population was 216m in 1975 and by 2010 it was 308m. Curious that the absolute number of women using the pill would be relatively flat, tho’… but still, the blue line in 2010 should be 70% of what it was in 1975.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:44 pm WillBest

      Yeah its evidence on how to lie with graphs. If it were really trying to show something it would show % of fertile women on the pill rather than absolute numbers. That data is of course a lot harder to come by.

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  16. on May 29, 2013 at 1:38 pm The Pill And Divorce: The Real Connection | Viva La Manosphere!

    […] heartiste.wordpress.com […]

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  17. on May 29, 2013 at 1:59 pm JayMan

    I’m not convinced by this idea, and I wasn’t convinced when Satoshi Kanazawa first pointed it out.

    Two big problems. The first is the obvious, that correlation is not causation (sorry, it isn’t – it may hint at a causal relationship, but it’s not proof of causation on its own). That divorce rates rise after birth control was introduced doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Indeed, the appearance of birth control was apparently instrumental to the rise of the Sexual Revolution. That may in fact be your causal variable.

    The other problem is that is there little direct support for this. Kanazawa mentioned a study that showed that women who were on birth control at the time of their marriage were more likely to be divorced than those who weren’t; as if those two groups were comparable. Obviously, women who use birth control are systematically different from those who do not. So the comparison is apples-to-oranges. Tracking women’s preferences throughout their cycles is also uninformative, because it’s not clear that that translates into real-world outcomes for marriage.

    Studying this in a way to prove causation is difficult: you would need a randomized clinical trial where one group of women were prescribed birth control and a control group who were not prescribed to NOT birth control. You would then compare the divorce rates for each group. Unfortunately, such a study would be difficult to manage, and I’d imagine very difficult for the subjects to follow. But, there’s isn’t really any other clear cut way of proving this phenomenon.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 2:12 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      Expanding on your penultimate graf: There may be a causation attached to the correlation that has nothing to do with hormonal manipulation. My first thought would be that many of the women who eschew birth control are religious conservatives, and thus likely to frown as strongly on divorce as on birth control.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 2:14 pm JayMan

        Precisely. That’s what I had in mind myself.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:44 pm PetiteOlive

        I like you…much.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:09 pm Anonymous

        I don’t.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm Roge

      As soon as you said correlation is not causation I stopped reading

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        You’re missing out. It was quite good.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm Canadian Friend

        “…As soon as you said correlation is not causation I stopped reading …”

        Now…

        did it cause you to stop reading or is this only a correlation? ( I’m kidding of course!)

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:58 pm Dan Fletcher

        I know the “correlation is not causation” bit gets thrown around carelessly but his argument is reasonable.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm JayMan

        The excellence of execution…

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm Tilikum

      everything is unknowable and the duality of plotted curves is once again, a koinkydink. got it.

      whats your name sweetie?

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  18. on May 29, 2013 at 2:02 pm Rick Derris

    I wonder how the graph would look if the pill had been replaced by widespread use of a safe IUD or another form of birth control that did not mess with a woman’s hormones.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:21 pm Canadian Friend

      Well…if memory serves, condom use went up quite a lot around the1940s because we began understanding how to make stuff with latex, and condoms became much more available, yet marriage and divorce rates were not affected as they were after the pill became available.

      as I said I am going from memory, if someone has numbers or better arguments, be my guest.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:35 pm Canadian Friend

      It turns out my memory ain’t bad at all;

      from Wikipedia,

      “… Throughout World War II, condoms were not only distributed to male U.S. military members, but also heavily promoted with films, posters, and lectures.[…]

      After the war, condom sales continued to grow. From 1955–1965, 42% of Americans of reproductive age relied on condoms for birth control. In Britain from 1950–1960, 60% of married couples used condoms. The birth control pill became the world’s most popular method of birth control in the years after its 1960 début….

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 4:22 pm doclove

        The latex condom came out for sale starting in 1920.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 8:10 am whatmeworry

      Prob a bad idea. IUDs have more complications in the promiscuous (foreign body=more, worse STDs) and the nulliparous (uterine perforation).

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  19. on May 29, 2013 at 2:11 pm Realmatt

    Game and the immediate physical destruction of any man who dares to disrupt your marriage.

    In the Old Times cads were disposed of.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 1:24 pm Whitehall

      My brother just got two years probation in Colorado for punching, once, the guy he found in bed with his shack-up girl.

      The STATE should just butt out of some things.

      He and the dude made up later and are still cordial.

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  20. on May 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm Mr. Roach

    I’m not sure this is causal, incidentally, though the “pill culture” is self-reinforcing. In other words, I’ve seen most women on pill lose some of sex drive and that same group often becomes insanely horny off of it.

    The pill culture however created lots of sex for lots of people out of marriage, a delay in marraige, the easier ability to have one night stands, the sexual loosening of mores in the 60s and 70s, etc.

    That all said, we’ve seen a class divide in marriage and divorce that these charts don’t quite account for. High IQ SWPL types don’t divorce much, contra the pop culture, and tend to muddle through somehow, even if theirs are low sex marriages not infrequently due to a whole bunch of factors.

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  21. on May 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm Keanu

    Birth control pill= more divorce…so sad. Rawdawg is so much more fun.

    What would be interesting is to throw up a third plot line on the same graph: # of abortions.

    Dunno how you keep digging deeper, heartiste.

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  22. on May 29, 2013 at 2:46 pm Libertardian

    Pills to correct the effects of pills to correct the effects of pills…all the way down.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:24 pm Canadian Friend

      “… Pills to correct the effects of pills to correct the effects of pills…”

      Reading that gave me a headache…oh wait there is a pill for this! lol !

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:13 pm santa666

        Beware the Red Queen.

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  23. on May 29, 2013 at 2:59 pm corvinus

    So… nauseating beta gets a woman who’s doped on the Pill, she enthusiastically marries him, she wants to get impregnated, she goes off the Pill, and then starts wanting alpha dick?

    There is no way in which being an alpha male is not better than being beta.

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  24. on May 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm Greatest Beta

    Excellent post

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  25. on May 29, 2013 at 3:11 pm Justice

    Your thesis is not quite right …

    The graph clearly shows that the divorce rate started to climb quickly, before the pill. This is because women started to work.

    If the pill had never been invented, the divorce rate still would have increased. One only has to look at the Soviet Union in the 1945-1960 era. The divorce rate steadily rose where there was no “pill” but women were working.

    Also review the divorce stats of women in South America in the 1970s and 1980s where the economies of several countries faltered, but the pill was available. The divorce rate went down drastically.

    If the USA would simply pay women a monthly salary to stay home (something feminists want) the divorce rate would also climb.

    Divorce rate increases are tied directly the ability of women to obtain their own money, which means that women have, do, and will always view men as a secondary diversion to make their life pleasant. Women are incapable of love.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:41 pm Greg Eliot

      Divorce rate increases are tied directly the ability of women to obtain their own money, which means that women have, do, and will always view men as a secondary diversion to make their life pleasant. Women are incapable of love.

      Hard to argue with this… never knew a woman, once she had means of her own, to hold a man in any sort of esteem for long.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 6:55 am cynthia

      It’s likely impossible to nail it down to just one thing. The late 50s, early 60s, gave us the perfect storm of societal destruction. Too bad nobody realized it until it was too late to keep the crazy from going mainstream.

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  26. on May 29, 2013 at 3:44 pm realmatt

    I wonder if we’ll ever get an honest and competently performed study on the link between cancer and birth control.

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  27. on May 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm feministx

    “A Thrill pill that tricks wives into perceiving their beta husbands as sexy romance novel stranger-from-afar badboy alphas may or may not work to strengthen the institution of marriage, but I can tell you one intervention that is GUARANTEED to help your marriage: Game. Specifically, dread game.”

    Zombie kept nagging me about having kids, so I started to talk to my boyfriend about it. This was a bad idea because he has now redoubled his efforts to knock me up. He talked to his wife about having a kid with me and she asked to be the Godmother.

    That’s like dread game I guess. Find a girlfriend half your age and tell your wife you want a kid with her. Real stuff that wives will put up with, appraently. Living proof.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm Rogue Male

      “Zombie kept nagging me about having kids, so I started to talk to my boyfriend about it. This was a bad idea because he has now redoubled his efforts to knock me up. He talked to his wife about having a kid with me and she asked to be the Godmother.”

      Heh, heh, that wife is alpha.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 6:46 pm PetiteOlive

        for reals, I feel like the wife is the winner in all of this.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 7:14 pm Rogue Male

        Saying “Can I be the Godmother?” is like saying “bring da movies”.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 4:38 pm doclove

      Shit Test Alert!!! Shit Test Alert!!! This is not a drill!!! Divorce Rape of Male(s) is imminent!!! Shit Test Alert!!! Shit Test Alert!!! This is not a drill!!!…….

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 4:55 pm corvinus

      Zombie kept nagging me about having kids, so I started to talk to my boyfriend about it. This was a bad idea because he has now redoubled his efforts to knock me up. He talked to his wife about having a kid with me and she asked to be the Godmother.

      If anybody is wondering why polygamy has been so common throughout history…

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 8:12 am Matthew King

      Disaster. This cannot possibly end well.

      You have not prepared a way to channel your animal instincts into a workable relationship. You are a vehicle for bastardy, acting on impulse. The worst possible ménage à trois.

      No, you are making drama, acting like a woman rather than rationally (“boy” friend is too), and that is the whole point of indulging yourselves. You want to live in interesting times. But after the fantasy party ends, you will wake up in your own vomit, hungover. With a rug rat on crying on your hip, the kid consigned to a childhood of epic confusion. Odds are your child will end up even more psychodramatically fucked up than you — gay or worse. This is the world’s most predictable tragedy especially because it’s a meeting of three female minds, not an ounce of wisdom among you.

      It is not enough to simply shit out a fetus, Shane’s righteous proselytizing notwithstanding. You have to adopt the lifelong mode of mothering, a total personality shift, not simply obsess over the process of becoming a mother. You are abusing your child before it is even born.

      But then, the vicious cycle of molestation always has the abused becoming the abusers of the next generation.

      Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:07 am feministx

        I’m not sure if I am cut out for the mommy thing. I kind of am not sure if I want a kid or have the temperament to really love one. I went to the movies on Monday and there was this mommy with her 3 year old next to me. That kid kept talking. He wanted popcorn (so he whined for it). Then mommy had to put him on her lap and have a 10 minute whisper conversation with him.

        I asked my boyfriend what you do when your kid is 3 and too young to sit through a movie. He said “you don’t go.” Like don’t really go to movies much at all for a few years.

        Man, this kid thing seems like it blows. But the prospect of being a genetic failure hurts my heart.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:15 am embracingourfemininity

        Don’t let that one incident put you off having children. Children are the most precious gift. Also when we’re seeing misbehaved children in public or out of control we shouldn’t let it deter us because many children are not having the right upbringing. I don’t have children yet but I work with orphaned children part time, and also used to work in a hotel nursery, I used to take care of alot of out of control children, but all they needed was love, attention and discipline and they could have flourished. They were truly precious. When you have a baby your doubts will vanish and you will be in awe at the miracle you have been blessed with and you will love with all your heart. I am one of 6 daughters, and I am the one without children yet. 2 of my sisters are already on their 5th children and they are amazing mothers, I can’t wait to be like them.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:28 am Man Reader

        Yes!!!!! ❤

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:29 am feministx

        Ok thanks. I need the extra support. Having a kid seems really really daunting to me.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:44 am Anonymous

        Please don’t have children feministx.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 10:05 am embracingourfemininity

        I’m rooting for you. Your fear of having children is a product of a messed up society where many women like to make us feel like failures for prioritizing what women should prioritize instead of go to university and get degrees. Lots of women tell me “You could have done so much” and “You could have had a great career”. At what expense? At the expense of my fertile years, no thankyou. You need to rediscover who you really are, you are a woman, and you have the potential to birth and raise beautiful children. Don’t let other people or society’s expectations of you dictate to you. I just subscribed to your blog, I’ve just skimmed through a few posts but I’m going to look at it more in depth in an hour or two once I’ve taken my blueberry pound cake out of the oven and cleaned up. 🙂 I’m supporting you!

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:19 pm feministx

        Embracing, I love u. Im sorry I don’t have more time to respond to your support but I digested it and appreciate you.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:35 am man reader

        Re: “awe…”. Yes, at the moment your child is born, you literally feel God touching you. It’s that simple.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:58 am embracingourfemininity

        One of my sisters told me this is the moment you really understand what love is. So beautiful. I just wish more people would be good parents, it breaks my heart to see how many children are growing up without love and attention. I hate when mothers tell of their misbehaved child “He’s just attention seeking”… Of course he’s attention seeking, that’s what he needs.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:06 pm Greg Eliot

        Onion Headline:

        MIRACLE OF BIRTH OCCURS FOR 7 BILLIONTH TIME!

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:18 pm Lara

        And, as my mother kindly pointed out to me, it was all downhill from there.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm gunslingergregi

        a nanny makes it easy ya can do whatever you want

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm Matthew King

        I’m not sure if I am cut out for the mommy thing. I kind of am not sure if I want a kid or have the temperament to really love one.

        Like others say, you underestimate your ability to mother. You don’t have to be an overbearing, indulgent helicopter parent. You just have to shift a few priorities away from yourself and what you think you want. That’s the hardest thing for a woman like you to do.

        No, the reason why you are not cut out isn’t your temperament, it’s the creepy ménage you would be introducing your child to. If you cannot manage to escape those dangerous circumstances yourself, you won’t be able to deliver your child from them either.

        Your “boyfriend” is a pissant. He manages his relationships like a kid manages breakfast. He cannot establish a responsible keep within which he and his charges can safely play. He simply plays according to his twisted whims, adding his own lurid pregnancy fantasies to yours, dealing with consequences later.

        But we’ll all throw a beautiful shower for your bastard spawn! Everybody’s doing it, so it’s cool now.

        Matt

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:23 pm feministx

        I believe the elite should actually change their reproductive strategies to be more nam like. Nams have the more effective strategy. Getting all your ducks in a row and waiting till marriage is making reproduction difficult for the intelligent. They should just wing it too. The offspring will be as genetically strong and not particularly prone to crime or degeneracy.

        [CH: Idiocracy will come to be seen as the movie of our times. Truly prescient.]

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 7:45 pm feministx

        “[CH: Idiocracy will come to be seen as the movie of our times. Truly prescient.]”

        It is, in part because the upper classes are taught to believe that they are the way they are entirely because of being raised right. If people understood that obsessing over the right pre-school for your kid and saving up to live in the best elementary school district possible has marginal long term effects on average, then smarter people would feel more free to have kids.

        So far we have tried all sorts of welfare and educational initiatives to make the lower class NAMs act more like upper classes. However, we have not tried persuading the upper classes to set the bar lower for reproduction. For the strongly k-selected, our instincts make us prefer permanent marriage as a pre-requisite for child rearing even though this is no longer at all needed or helpful in getting your kids to live till adulthood. We failed at making the NAMs act more disciplined in part because they innately lack the capacity for discipline as we define it. But the higher IQ k selected may be different. Maybe they can learn to have children in a non-permanent relationship that does not offer maximum resources to the children. At this point, since human reproductive patterns are so dysgenic now, I think this is worth a shot.

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      • on June 1, 2013 at 8:47 am Matthew King

        I believe the elite should actually change their reproductive strategies to be more nam like. Nams have the more effective strategy. Getting all your ducks in a row and waiting till marriage is making reproduction difficult for the intelligent. They should just wing it too.

        You need to read Charles Murray’s latest. The elite don’t have to “wing it.” They have domestic structures closer to 1950’s Leave It to Beaver families than anyone else. But rather than preaching what they practice, they look at the animal bastardy of the ghetto and praise it as an “effective strategy.”

        You don’t have to get any “ducks in a row” when you have class. The idea of sticking your dick anywhere or opening your twat on the first instinct does not occur to the refined classes. They have been given discipline and education, and they have experienced the superiority of self-restraint, a superiority not just in overall life-trajectory but also in simple psychological calm. The idea of spawning a bastard just to sate a vague mommy instinct is repulsive, like shitting in a paper bag.

        No, the only way “the elite should … be more NAM like” is in the NAMs’ (involuntary) acknowledgment of reality. The young ghetto princess has no choice but to acknowledge her femininity when a baby is growing out of her belly (and not out of Jamal’s). The elite contracept/abort their sexual natures away and can pretend to hold reality at bay. You have driven nature out with a pitchfork, and yet here you are in your 30s, when she is hurrying right back.

        Your scramble to “get[] all your ducks in a row” is a function of your arrogance. You mistake a life of frivolity, nature-denying, and wild-oat-sowing for getting one’s affairs in order to have a kid. It wasn’t. It was a selfish party, not preparation for responsible motherhood.

        “Waiting till marriage” does not “mak[e] reproduction difficult.” It’s thinking marriage can wait for you to indulge yourself on the cock carousel for a decade that makes you a barren spinster. You have made yourself into an old maid with a deliberate drybox, seeking motherhood as yet one more indulgence rather than as the vocation it must be, looking for salvation in the slavish following of instinct and in “men” who are as deluded as you.

        Please. Don’t flatter yourself by calling this predictable psychodrama “intelligent.” You are merely living out the consequences of your rather unintelligent choices.

        Matt

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  28. on May 29, 2013 at 3:52 pm tz2026

    Dr. Janet Smith in her Lecture “Contraception, Why Not” mentioned several studies. One is where women smelled t-shirts worn by different sets of men (she doesn’t use alphas and betas, but successful or losers). Women on the pill prefer betas, women who are fertile prefer alphas. There are several other studies she points to in both primates and humans. Worse, on the pill women aren’t as interested in sex (as their bodies think they are already pregnant). A woman with the natural desire to get pregnant wants a high-status man. A woman already pregnant wants a protector/provider.

    Catholics or others practicing NFP start to notices such things. In this case the husband and wife are respecting their bodies – whether they want to get pregnant or avoid it.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 12:35 am Subway Masturbator

      Wow, all this pill talk (rather than pillow talk) is making me realize why I am so hot for brown girls. They aren’t determined to remain sterile for money’s sake. Today in Starbucks there was a Mexican-American 8 and an Indian/Pakistani 9 who was like 6′; and I opened the Mexican-American girl and something really strange happened… she wasn’t a bitch.

      Now that I think about it SWPLsluts meticulously plan like engineers to thwart their fertility and get the most money and the biggest McMansion while remaining free of any emotion. The pill is an essential parachute preventing Maximum Matrix Earnings.

      They often have expressions like guys on their well-structured blond heads.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:46 am Subway Masturbator

        EDIT: The pill is an essential parachute PROTECTING Maximum Matrix Earnings.

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  29. on May 29, 2013 at 3:53 pm WillBest

    I read about the so called “thrill” a while back and my first thought was that isn’t going to end well. For the life of me I can’t figure out what man would think this would be a good idea outside the C-executives who are going to make hundreds of millions allowing them to bed all the horny women they are creating. Meanwhile the manginas actually designing and making this drug have to be subscribing to some trickledown pussy theory.

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  30. on May 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm Sidewinder

    The attraction towards beta is one effect of the pill. I also think the catholic church’s reasoning is also sound. But by far the biggest effect that the pill has had on divorce rates is that it has opened the slut gates. When I was in high school, there was still expressed the female fantasy of marrying their one and only lover. And where did this virgin bride desire come from? Sure, slut shaming and ideals of female virtue had something to do with it, but so did the very practical consequences to the female associated with giving it up. The pill has all but killed this former female ideal.

    Riding the carousal is now expected female behavior 18-22. I had one girl in this age range tell me that she planned on stopping at lover number 15. This mindset would not exist without the pill. I have heard college girls now ridicule the virgin bride mindset, arguing that how can a girl know what she likes sexually if she doesn’t sleep with at least a few different guys? That’s what college is for, so the thinking goes.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 6:28 pm Mitch Cumstein

      Well, there’s also no shaming in college. They’re hundreds of miles away from home and they can get away with it. Until they make friends in college and those friends are susceptible to judge.

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      • on May 29, 2013 at 9:15 pm red texas

        Sadly…the only trait that gets shamed now is judging.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 4:02 am Mitch Cumstein

        So long as you’re not the biggest slut of the group. Kind of like the boy scouts running away from the bear: you don’t have to be the fastest, so long as you’re not the slowest. Because even in an environment ideal for fucking, there will be judgment.

        I had two sorority sisters after me at the same time in college. One told me the other had countless partners and never had herself checked out. The other repeatedly called the other a fat slut behind her back, even though her BMI was perfect. If character assassination was a possible major, these girls would’ve graduated top of their class. If it carried over into the working world? They’d be president.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 7:03 pm Gf

      This

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  31. on May 29, 2013 at 4:31 pm Whitehall

    There is something that sounds like “Thrill” although not FDA-approved.

    It’s called Melanotan II and a derivative called PT-141. They are poly-peptides and can cause big libido boosts in men and women. The former also helps with skin tanning, the intended goal of its R&D program.

    There’s a cute video out of a woman demonstrating how to prepare an injection of the Melanotan II. Her last words are “OK in 4 hours, let the party begin!” I’ve yet to try it.

    A woman’s libido does seem to correlate with her desire for conception. When she doesn’t want to get knocked up, she shuts down. I see a lot of 40-somethings dumping their hubbies and becoming sex enthusiasts. I call it “the last chance phenomenon.”

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  32. on May 29, 2013 at 5:06 pm Puzzle Pirate (@PuzzlePirate)

    Here is an article from Psychology Today that goes into some more detail:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200712/scents-and-sensibility

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  33. on May 29, 2013 at 5:27 pm goodspeed

    Studies indicate that the pill does influence womens behaviour and mate choice:

    MHC-correlated odour preferences in humans and the use of oral contraceptives
    http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/275/1652/2715.full
    “Previous studies in animals and humans show that genes in the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) influence individual odours and that females often prefer odour of MHC-dissimilar males, perhaps to increase offspring heterozygosity or reduce inbreeding. Women using oral hormonal contraceptives have been reported to have the opposite preference, raising the possibility that oral contraceptives alter female preference towards MHC similarity, with possible fertility costs. Here we test directly whether contraceptive pill use alters odour preferences using a longitudinal design in which women were tested before and after initiating pill use; a control group of non-users were tested with a comparable interval between test sessions. In contrast to some previous studies, there was no significant difference in ratings between odours of MHC-dissimilar and MHC-similar men among women during the follicular cycle phase. However, single women preferred odours of MHC-similar men, while women in relationships preferred odours of MHC-dissimilar men, a result consistent with studies in other species, suggesting that paired females may seek to improve offspring quality through extra-pair partnerships. Across tests, we found a significant preference shift towards MHC similarity associated with pill use, which was not evident in the control group. If odour plays a role in human mate choice, our results suggest that contraceptive pill use could disrupt disassortative mate preferences.”

    The study above shows that womens preferences tilt towards MHC-similar men if they are on the pill, and here is a study that found that women who ovulate and are in relationships with MHC-similar men cheat more and are less sexually responsive to their partners:

    Major histocompatibility complex alleles, sexual responsivity, and unfaithfulness in romantic couples.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17100780
    “Preferences for mates that possess genes dissimilar to one’s own at the major histocompatibility complex (MHC), a polymorphic group of loci associated with the immune system, have been found in mice, birds, fish, and humans. These preferences may help individuals choose genetically compatible mates and may adaptively function to prevent inbreeding or to increase heterozygosity and thereby immunocompetence of offspring. MHC-dissimilar mate preferences may influence the psychology of sexual attraction. We investigated whether MHC similarity among romantically involved couples (N= 48) predicted aspects of their sexual relationship. All women in our sample normally ovulated, and alleles at three MHC loci were typed for each person. As the proportion of MHC alleles couples shared increased, women’s sexual responsivity to their partners decreased, their number of extrapair sexual partners increased, and their attraction to men other than their primary partners increased, particularly during the fertile phase of their cycles.”

    If these studies are correct it could be that the pill temporarily clouds some womens judgement when it comes to mate choice, which later, when she goes off, could lead to troubled relationships.

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  34. on May 29, 2013 at 5:35 pm ve

    The reverse also happens. A greek guy I know is a natural. He played the field until he hit 31, then he married a hard 9 16 year old with her parents’ permission. She’s always adored him, until two years ago, when she got a hormone IUD that works like the pill. Now she constantly complains about his selfishness, etc., and although they’re not divorced, they are on the rocks. He’s got side action, and they have kids, so he won’t leave her, but I estimate it’s 50/50 she’ll leave him if she doesn’t get off the IUD.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm Wrecked 'Em

      Time for him to visit Dr. Snip-Snip.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 6:08 pm n/a

      I think it fair to mention that your inspired greek has had the best of it.

      16 is unusually sweet after 30: a very magical mathematics.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm corvinus

      Tell the frat boy to order his wife to take out the IUD and to quit her bitching.

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  35. on May 29, 2013 at 6:00 pm zilla nation

    meanwhile the men watch them dig and prepare tolaynext to them, in an embrace as sterile as when they were alive

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  36. on May 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm walawala

    That explains the mainstream popularity of 50 Shades of Gray and the anticipation over the film version. When clit-lit goes mainstream can the manosphere by far off?

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  37. on May 29, 2013 at 6:23 pm Libertardian

    As tweeted by H: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/22/opinion/la-oe-allen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-20130522

    “This, of course, goes against all current conventional wisdom about the kind of men that women want: sensitive, egalitarian, feminism-friendly guys who split the housework 50-50 (or better yet, do it all so their wives can “lean in” at work).

    In fact, as any evolutionary psychologist can tell you, women, like other female primates, crave dominant “alpha” males who demonstrate the strength to protect them and pass on survival traits to their children.”

    In other news:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/maine-man-indicted-on-murder-kidnapping-in-connection-with-15-year-old-girls-death/2013/05/29/60e8262e-c8a6-11e2-9cd9-3b9a22a4000a_story.html

    “A man used a fake Facebook account to lure a teenage girl out of her house in an attempt to stage her kidnapping and rescue so he could look like a hero but ended up killing her, a state police affidavit released Wednesday said.”

    Betas just can’t win.

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  38. on May 29, 2013 at 7:28 pm Innocent Bystander

    Great post and very insightful, but what is often not recognized is that this works in reverse too – a woman not on the pill marries a guy and then goes onto the pill; you get the opposite kind of mismatch. Here is the scenario as I have seen it play out a few times.

    > Woman is evangelical Christian.
    > Woman does not have sex, is not on the pill.
    > Woman is attracted to masculine men, because she is not on the pill.
    > Woman marries very masculine guy and starts to have sex. [Evangelicals tend to marry young, so they can have sex.]
    > Woman goes on the pill because she doesn’t want babies yet.
    > Woman starts to find macho husband unpleasant and domineering due to the influence of the pill. Naturally this is his fault.
    > Woman divorces husband

    This can then proceed through the scenario in the original article.

    > Woman hooks up with ‘safe’ beta guy and marries him.
    > Woman goes off the pill to have babies, or starts to use another form of birth control.
    > Woman now finds beta husband to be unattractive [naturally this is his fault] and she divorces him.

    I think the only solution is a form of adaptive game where you adapt your persona to the requirements of the hamster at the time.

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    • on May 29, 2013 at 8:56 pm Canadian Friend

      Maybe the solution is two woman for each man?

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  39. on May 29, 2013 at 8:00 pm The Pill And Divorce: The Real Connection « PUA Central

    […] The Pill And Divorce: The Real Connection  Home  The Pill And Divorce: The Real Connection […]

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  40. on May 29, 2013 at 8:31 pm Mike.A.

    Its all quite interesting. My wife of many years always refused to go on the pill, because of the old fashioned medical concerns about it, perhaps that was all for the best in more ones than one. I did at one time have a girl friend who was always going on and off it. I have no idea if it affected her behaviour. Perhaps it did.

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    • on June 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm David

      You chose wisely.

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  41. on May 29, 2013 at 8:58 pm Anonymous

    Er, what about the development of ‘no fault divorce’ in the 1970s? No one’s mentioned that, and it caused a huge spike in the divorce rate…

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 11:44 am Col Nicholson

      Agree. This is Dalrock’s “divorce for cash & prizes” theory. No-fault took over gradually , state by state; New York just got it recently. Of course, the theories aren’t mutually exclusive.

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  42. on May 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm She Wants The D

    Wouldn’t the pill, when in play, increase the rate of infidelity (and therefore divorce) by removing the possibility of her catching a bad case of the pregnant? Women are already believed to be without agency. Remove consequence, and wouldn’t it just be a damned free-for-all?

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  43. on May 29, 2013 at 9:48 pm Dr Caveman

    There is a second factor that plays a role in this loss of attraction. When a woman goes off the pill it doesn’t always mean the couple is trying for babies straight away, so they might use condoms instead. This adds a second factor: semen has antidepressant properties ( http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1015257004839 ) so women who switch the pill for condoms not only view their beta boy through new derisive goggles, she also has to go without her regular infusions of antidepressants

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  44. on May 29, 2013 at 9:56 pm Filter

    ^ is what hot 20 yr old white bitches listen to these days… hence why I leave marks on her neck from choking the bitch during sex. yes, they wear it as trophies.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 12:03 pm Greg Eliot

      Funny how JAP-looking floozies just have to dye their hair blonde to pass for white nowadays.

      Was it just me, or did this video (despite its creators’ motives) drive home the point about how much cuter real Aryan girls are than any other race?

      Geez, not even a contest.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm embracingourfemininity

        Is that video for real? Lord have mercy

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 6:17 pm n/a

        Devil’s got it covered honey.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:37 am Mark

        She’s Italian, you fucking pillbox. You see them Juz everywhere, you Satanist nut.

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  45. on May 29, 2013 at 10:14 pm Libertardian

    Quiz: which do women prefer:
    a. betas
    b. drunk driving and probably illegal Mexicans who cause them to be ejected through the car windshield and then leave them for dead

    Is that a question? lololololzlzlzlz

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/drunk-car-sex-crash-785912

    Posted 5/30/2013 2:08 am MAY 29–A drunken driver was having sex when he lost control of his car Monday night and crashed the vehicle, ejecting his naked female companion onto a New Mexico roadway, police report.

    According to cops, Luis Briones, 25, ran a red light and slammed his Ford Explorer into another car on an Albuquerque street. The impact of the collision forced Natasha Carroll, 21, from Brioness SUV.

    With a bloodied Carroll lying in the road, Briones got back into his vehicle and attempted to flee the accident scene, witnesses told Albuquerque Police Department officers. After one witness confiscated his keys, Briones then jumped into a bush, landing and attempting to hide in a cactus.

    When cops subsequently took Briones into custody, he was wearing one shoe and had a pair of black shorts inside out. A half-empty bottle of vodka was found inside Brioness vehicle.

    …

    Investigators concluded that Briones and Carroll–who was completely naked–were having sexual intercourse of some sort while driving. A criminal complaint also notes that cops received a 911 call before the accident reporting that Briones was observed to be having sexual intercourse with the passenger while driving at a high rate of speed.

    Carroll suffered facial lacerations in the crash and was transported to an area hospital, where she was reported to be in stable condition.

    The plastered Briones, cops reported, reeked of booze and was extremely belligerent post-arrest. He allegedly spit on officers, threatened them, and refused to keep his pants on.

    Charged with drunk driving, reckless driving, and evading police, Briones was booked into the Bernalillo County jail, where he is being held in lieu of $22,000 bond.

    But he’s just misunderstood. Tee hee!

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  46. on May 29, 2013 at 10:31 pm the audacious amateur blogger

    Ok. I have been on the pill for 12 years or so. I started for… non sexual reasons. like pmdd or whatever, didn’t bang till 2 years after being on it. Moot. I def give much thought to the effects of the non-hormones not coursing through me as I am on this artificial hormone.

    I do know.. It has not weakened by taste for or the desire TO procreate with alphas! but I am 1 person, not the bell curve.

    Question:
    What do you think about hormone free IUD’s as a method of birth control in single women? This negates all the hormonal arguments, but leaves plenty of room for others.

    Women do go off the pill when married. When trying to have a baby. I think americans have 2.3 kids… in Italy they are paying women to have kids. Thus, married women are using a form of birth control outside the say 1-5 year period while trying to conceive and pregnant. What about when she goes back on it? What happens then?

    in regard to when she is as you suggest perm off the pill after marriage (which as a person w pretty bad like it feels like my insides are being ripped out of me for 5 days bad pms would totally go back on it after having my 2.3) then why would she even care about seeking a “dominant” male for whom would pass on better genetic material? she is already cusping menopause. point.. moot?

    These are just questions, observations, not attacks and things I ponder myself all the time. You provided an excellent jumping off piece of prose for exploring some intense ideas. Thx. You do your job well

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 3:45 am Mitch Cumstein

      Because bitches be crazy.

      Even if she wants to have kids, when she’s off the pill, she is probably repulsed by her husband. She doesn’t want to feel like she “gave in” and let some schmoe sire her first child. Even though that is the man she’s approved of in the past, “til death to us part”…or sumdin like dat.

      My guess is once she’s gone off the pill, she’ll go into full “Eat Pray Love” mode and embrace the influx of emotions. Discover the wondrous nature of life that her husband inured her to, when she was probably on the pill before they even met.

      That’s the problem with most American women- they view marriage as a rite of passage like getting a tattoo, getting a belly piercing, or receiving anal for the first time. Once it’s over, it’s on to the next thing. You’re shelling out half you own so some chick can have a new photo album on her Facebook.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 5:46 am Orion

        Basic biological female strategy a.k.a. Hypergamy is by default a nexting mechanism.
        Now, rodent spinning inertia can prevent distinguishing hyper from hypo…

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 7:41 am good ole jr

        Harsh but true. Before I discovered the chateau, I often wondered why my ex emotionally referred to eat pray love during the last year of our marriage. Shoulda watched the movie but hate chick flicks. “I don’t know what i want! Sometimes I wanna be like Julia roberts in eat pray love and just…disappear!” She and half my stuff disappeared shortly thereafter. I consider the price paid preperatory education for what I really needed to know about women that I’ve learned here. Never been happier.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 8:54 am Canadian Friend

        about a year ago the woman I was with kind of “forced me” to watch ” eat,pray love”

        Basically it is the story of a woman who has a nice loving husband – but she leaves him anyway-

        then she meets a nice loving man – but she leaves him anyway –

        and then she meets a nice loving man ( he is not an alpha, is quite beta ) and for some totally unexplained reasons, she falls madly in love with him.

        Nothing makes sense in that movie. Yet millions of women loved the movie and the book.

        If you think women are irrational, watching that movie will only make you be more convinced women are irrational.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 9:28 am Kate

        “Yet millions of women loved the movie and the book.”

        Both are depressing as hell…to anyone who is actually divorced.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 2:45 pm Canadian Friend

        I forgot to mention before she meets the third man, she goes to Italy and eats a lot of very tasty food – nothing wrong with that, but nothing “deep” to learn from it either.

        then she goes to India to supposedly pray, but she can not really do it, so again nothing “deep” is learned there.

        I cannot understand what is so great about that book/movie.

        She herself says she does not really know why she is leaving her nice husband

        and she does not have a better reason to leave the second man who is also nice.

        she just does irrational things one after the other and by pure luck meets a man she falls in love with.

        There is nothing to learn from her experience or from that book/movie

        it is just a woman doing irrational things that she herself admits she does not know why is doing them and in the end she gets lucky.

        and yes the fact she leaves not one but two nice men and she does not even know why is quite depressing for those of us who want long term relationships.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm Greg Eliot

        THE most depressing thing about that movie is the lead actress’s equine physiognomy… when she smiles, it reminds one of nothing so much as a photo-finish at Belmont.

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      • on May 31, 2013 at 6:56 am Kate

        Many women stop eating when depressed or stressed. I found it very hard to keep weight on. Italy helped her learn to eat (representing life) again. At first she could not find peace in India, but she eventually made it. Then, and only then, when she was right with God, did the gift of love enter her life. That is the point of the book, to me.

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    • on May 30, 2013 at 7:01 am cynthia

      The only way to bring the birth rates back up is banning birth control. Especially in places like Europe.

      Also… are periods really that bad? I mean really that bad that you’d need to go on the pill to stop the pain? Women have been dealing with it for tens of thousands of years. It’s three to five friggin’ days out of the month. Why is it an excuse to use something that seriously fucks with one’s body chemistry? And how would you know if it’s screwed with your sexual appetites, if you’ve been on it for so long? (not attacking you, just genuinely curious.)

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 11:55 am Anonymous

        Yes Cynthia, birth control should be banned in Europe.

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      • on May 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm Alexander

        No such thing before Eurabia. Or smth similar to that.
        And anyway you can never alter the behavior of the people with mere laws and meager punishments(like financial fines).

        The morality of the people must improve by itself, and not be imposed by the government (solely). The morality might improve when this time of plenty comes to an end, and when times of uncertainties much greater than those of now arrive.
        Only then will the moral of the people improve and the ennui will disappear. I’m talking of fall of the roman empire type of uncertainties here.

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  47. on May 30, 2013 at 3:48 am Jesikka Bby (@BbyJesikka)

    So really: Go after the girls that are likely to be on the pill already because they’re less likely to find you unattractive as a mating prospect.
    I’d wager that you could probably have an easier time with a pill popper than one not, especially if you’re new to game, or if your game is pretty weak.

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  48. on May 30, 2013 at 7:53 am Troubadour

    My wife was never on the pill until after our first kid. While she was on it between kids, her sex drive sucked. After she went off it to trap me with an extension on my 18-year sentence, I made her get her tubes tied.

    The only time she had a seriously low interest in sex was when she was on the pill, and the rest of the time sex is pretty much available on demand. She KNOWS I’m cheating on her, and is making no move to play the divorce rape card. I’m really just backing my ass up to the glory hole at this point begging her to rape me so I can get it over with and get past the marriage, but nothing I do inclines her to pull that handle. Nothing.

    This relationship is very infuriating. If she wasn’t so damn fat, she’d make a half decent wife, but none of this is motivating her to lose weight or fix herself up either. I’m hopelessly confused at this point, and maybe that’s her game.

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  49. on May 30, 2013 at 10:10 am James K

    There’s one thing about the data that does not stack up. The number of alphas and betas did not change.

    If so many women divorced when they stopped taking the Pill and discovered that their husbands were betas, what happened before the Pill was invented? Did women marry the betas knowing that they despised them, and then repent at leisure?

    Plot the number of households with a color TV on the same graph. You’ll find the curve is similar to the one for divorce. Did the Pill cause people to buy color TVs? Or maybe color TVs caused people to divorce?

    45 years ago the color TV was a marker of prosperity; I’d bet that it was rising prosperity that caused people to divorce.

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  50. on May 30, 2013 at 10:19 am AlphaBeta

    [S]latest example of how feminist men hate themselves http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/05/stay_at_home_dad_sexual_fantasies_why_i_d_like_to_stop.html

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  51. on May 30, 2013 at 10:35 am Danceny

    Yep, I learned this the hard way in my 20s. (Not the HARD hard way, though — no kids involved. Thank God.) Great post.

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  52. on May 30, 2013 at 6:45 pm senseiern

    The pill isn’t directly responsible. The atmosphere that made the pill acceptable is what led to an increased divorce rate.

    First, women became empowered with the women’s lib movement. This caused a chasm between the husband and wife. As the woman stopped looking to her man for provision, she honored him less. The pill allowed her to cheat without the consequence of being caught pregnant. The lessened honor removed a key wall that prevented her from cheating. It also made cads bolder, knowing that the woman they are fucking will not get pregnant.

    Second, people started marrying “for love”. While love is important, the only thing important enough to have a marriage is that the man wants the woman to be the mother of his children, and the woman wants the man to be the father of her children. ANY OTHER REASON IS A FORMULA FOR DIVORCE. Divorce causes the father to no longer really be the father due to heavy decisions for women to get the children. So, if she does not truly want him to be the father of her children, she is going to leave.

    You can truly love someone and still not get married.

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  53. on June 4, 2013 at 10:48 am man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l59cg62wqpY ur twitter lzozlozlzozlzlzoo good one ch

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  54. on June 5, 2013 at 8:55 am Andrea

    This is late, but out of curiosity, where do you stand on IUDs? These don’t have the hormonal impact of the pill but still prevent pregnancy, which I think, would be ideal for the modern male who wants to be in a monogamous relationship without being doomed to condom use.

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  55. on July 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm Sensual Sunday’s: Going Off The Pill. One Last Experiment! | I Am An After School Special

    […] Primarily inspired by a post I first read on Heartiste’s lovely site entitled, “The Pill And Divorce: The Real Connection“. […]

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