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Comment Of The Week: The Guileless Gatsby

June 2, 2013 by CH

Da GBFM riffs culture ref-wise on this post about a beta orbiter thinking he’d gotten the green light to pursue a long-time female friend:

A Beta Orbiter Gets The Green Light?

Hey heartistes!!

THE GREAT GATSBY was a Beta Orbiter who got the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock, and look what happened to him!

DEAD

Such are the aweosme thingz dat da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ TEACH lzozozozozozozozozo

That’s true. Gatsby, literature’s ultimate beta male orbiter and pedestal polisher suffering from a most awesome case of oneitis (which Nick admired as an incorrigible hopefulness in a degenerate world), did get the green light, or rather Gatsby *thought* he got the green light, but when Daisy was pressed by him for a confession of her love in the climatic hotel scene, she recused herself from deciding between the charming Gatsby and the dominant (domineering) Tom, opting instead to cry her way out of confrontation and then to collude with Tom when her complicity in a hit-and-run became clear to herself and Tom connived to pin it all on Gatsby to avoid the revelation of his own infidelity. (I haven’t read the book in a while, so I’m not sure if Tom knew Daisy was the driver, or if Daisy lied to Tom about being the passenger to save her own skin.)

For his transcendent hopefulness and blind faith in uncorrupted love and female purity, Gatsby was first betrayed, then framed, then killed. There’s a lesson there for yearning, wistfully romantic beta males with delusions of pander.*

*Well, ok, two lessons. Don’t ever deliver an ultimatum to a woman to declare her love during a heated moment. Such a move reeks of needy desperation. The very opposite of alpha male aloofness.

***

Comment of the Week runner-up is by Hook or Crook, who writes in response to a self-proclaimed omega who refuses to believe the science that says men can actually become more desirable by projecting untethered confidence.

While this could very well be the clever bait of an anti-PUA troll, I have to both comment on the legitimacy of the sentiment and offer a course correction. Yes: working out, upgrading your wardrobe and attempting to mimic all of those behaviors that attractive men exhibit (proud stature, languid movements, firm eye contact, etc.) will make people notice you, which – in turn – will make some people challenge you. ‘Faking it’ successfully means that you have gone from being background noise to being actual signal (or have gone from scenery to scene-maker, if you prefer) which means that you are now in the spotlight, warts and all. Sometimes this experience will be rewarding to you; other times it will be painful as hell. Eye contact with a cute girl (or – hell – even just a decent one) can make you feel like you’re finally growing as a man, or it can remind you that you are short, or ugly, or balding, or old. Some guys will give you the upwards Bro Nod(tm) when they see that you’ve been lifting weights, and others will sneer at the fact that your fat/scrawny/whatever ass is even bothering. So people are challenging you? Congratulations, you are no longer invisible, and you are now doing what men do: compete, fight and (eventually) fuck.

The problem, as it is (or was, as you seem to be indicating that you have given up), is with your own perception of their challenge to you. Cute girl turns her nose up at you? “Oh no!: she knows that I’m really an omega and that I haven’t had sex in years!!” Tough guy sneers at you or wants to pound your lungs into paste? “Oh shit: he knows that I was always picked on in school and that I can’t fight!” You’re presenting (or attempting to present) the attributes of a successful male, and when the world asks for your Alpha passport you shit your pants and stupidly surrender all of the marijuana that you could have easily smuggled if you just kept your cool and plowed. The problem is not that you were faking it – the problem is that you weren’t committing to the fakery. You didn’t believe that you could be cool, or desirable, so – surprise – they didn’t believe it either. You can’t walk around thinking that you’re some piece of “genetic garbage” and expect this belief to not seep into everything that you do. If you’re being challenged on your Alpha demeanor incessantly it is a huge indicator that there is strong incongruence between your words and your actions, or your actions and your posture, or your posture and your subtext etc, and this will only be hammered out through time and commitment and belief in yourself. Nobody said that this was going to be easy, and the first stage for people like you (and me as well: I’m 5″7 and was dorky as sin) is just a massive shit test from the world as it tells you to sit the fuck down and go back to being a loser, and you tell it to go home and fuck its mother.

There’s a reason why lower betas and omegas run screaming from seduction/game/et al., and its because that spotlight can burn like a motherfucker, and – for them – its better to lick their collective wounds (e.g. their genetic and social deficiencies) than to experience its harsh glare. I’d rather the world step up to me and get right in my face than have it deny my very existence, but every man must choose his own path. Your desires and your limiting beliefs are on opposite sides of the scale; the heavier one will win.

Maybe that, at the root of it, is the problem with omega males and some beta males: Their desire is weak. And their weak desire makes it easier for them to indulge self-doubt.

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  1. on June 2, 2013 at 10:05 am zmbikilr

    Desire
    Confidence
    Perseverance
    Mission

    Tingling ginas seek you out. She knows she’s along for the ride, and she pays her way with her support of you. If she’s the main recipient of your lust, she can count herself lucky. This is the natural order of things.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm Matthew King

      GBFM thread-hijack blocker post.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm Matthew King

        GBFM thread-hijack blocker post 2.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm Matthew King

        GBFM thread-hijack blocker post 3.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm Matthew King

        GBFM thread-hijack blocker post 4.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm Matthew King

        GBFM thread-hijack blocker post 5.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:51 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozoozoz

        how can da gbfm
        hijack a thread
        when da thread is
        ABOUT ME!! !zozozoozozo

        how can da king
        jackoff in bed
        when the bed is
        filled with PEEEEEEE!? lzoozozozozoozoo

        zlzozozo

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:08 pm Matthew King

        STUNNING GENIUS. How could I have not seen it before?

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 2:56 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozoz

        hey HEARTIZTESZ!!!

        dis weekendz Matthew “Brett” KING and I went out tornado chasingz
        and i must say dat
        next timez i will get a man 2 drivez lzozozzo

        zlzozozozoozozz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm Matthew King

        So that makes you the screaming passenger losing his shit? The guy whom the cool-as-nails driver has to ask repeatedly, “Are you all right?”

        I am missing the genius in this one. I know, it’s my fault, I’ll keep poring over the brilliance till I find it.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:29 pm MattDamon

        So beta picking on someone who is ignoring you

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm Greg Eliot

        Well, let’s be fair now… he’s not exactly ignoring him, is he?

        One could argue that GBFM has been the more thin-skinned of the two… and made the more puerile barbs.

        Then again, asking you guys to be fair is like asking a woman to solve equations… yes, the occasional competent one can come along… but it’s a long-odds bet.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 4:33 pm Matthew King

        The “it’s so beta to [insert undesirable behavior here]” ploy is so beta. Alpha-mimic bravado, to be more precise.

        And “ignoring”? WTF are his two posts above, including the very thread you are replying to?

        For fucksake, somebody send me an opponent with a little consistency, with a little sense.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:09 pm MattDamon

        A nod in your direction makes you internet-happy. Self-proclaimed alpha was just subtly AMOG’d and is pointing others to it. Nice

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 12:02 am Greg Eliot

        Self-proclaimed alpha was just subtly AMOG’d and is pointing others to it. Nice

        And yet another drive-by omega snark was overtly slapped down for his inane observations.

        (don’t know whether to lozzlzlzozozozlzlzlzozozlzlzlzlzlzlol or (((shakes head))) )

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 4:22 am MattDamon

        Enjoying yourself, sidekick bob?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:05 am Greg Eliot

        Not particularly… but somebody has to slap down you jumped-the-snark South Parkers here at the chateau, lest this place start to resemble Huff-Po.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:54 am Patriarch

        Matt Damons obsession with AMOGGING is revealing as to what stage his game is at. Do you still carry your bag and notepad also?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm Matthew King

        A nod in your direction makes you internet-happy. Self-proclaimed alpha was just subtly AMOG’d and is pointing others to it. Nice

        That convoluted sentence crashed my PUAese translator app. Could you try to rephrase it into English?

        Seriously, I have no idea what you’re talking about. You read like a spambot.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 1:08 pm MattDamon

        Don’t wanna sound scripted, but nah it is

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:16 pm Greg Eliot

        It hurts my heart to see two luminaries of this chateau at loggerheads… especially when (I believe) their ultimate message is quite similar, ‘though their styles be disparate.

        I’ll chalk it up to the old Italian maxim: “Two of the same trade seldom agree.”

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:02 pm Matthew King

        I have no problem with him. I think he has done very well with what he’s been given. I’m just baffled by the indiscriminate, messianic hyperpraise. Not every reader is initiated into the mysteries of this site’s psychotic mascot. It’s good for them to know that they don’t have to unscramble the GBFM egg before relying on the virtues disseminated here.

        The rest of it is merely representing myself when being called out. Usually I dismiss and don’t respond to retorts as lame as his, but people attribute such great value to his every utterance that I have to give at least a word or two in response.

        I am convinced he is a Shit Test personified, and even CH is failing it. Which is twenty kinds of fucked up.

        On a related matter, allies don’t have to agree down the line. They just have to be in agreement with the general mission. Butthurt leftists and niggling perfectionists drive wedges everywhere they walk, often over disagreements only they perceive and over issues that do not involve them.

        One of the names of Satan is “scatterer.” Low-class people have an instinct for division whereas great men always keep an eye for potential unity. I will take wisdom from any quarter from any person and in any form. “Every one who is of the truth hears my voice.”

        It’s really simple, once you stow your pride away and love the truth more than yourself. But plebs (and women) look up at the clashes between their superiors and attribute their own grubby emotions to the struggles they have no reference for. Hence every disagreement is interpreted as a gratuitous attack, every difference must be a hatred.

        Shakespeare’s Coriolanus is all about this kind of respect, between the eponymous Roman and his Volscian rival Aufidius. Coriolanus’s vicious contempt just that brand of lowly ressentiment is unequaled anywhere in literature.

        Matt

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:11 am Greg Eliot

        Well-said, as usual.

        I had forgotten about “scatterer”… most a propos, especially when one can see, at this very chateau, that the more vociferous atheists and haters of Christ are invariably the most voluminous spewers of squid ink.

        And I’ll have to brush up my Shakespeare as well… I hadn’t gotten around to Coriolanus yet.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:18 am Anonymous

        “haters of Christ”?

        This is not the Spanish Inquisition. Why are you posting your religious drivel here?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:39 am Anonymous

        Many posters are put off by Greg Eliot and his ilk. Eliot in particularly makes CH a waste of time reading. There are many other places we can post more intelligent comments besides this place. As long as this clown is allowed to post his “religious drivel” and nonsensical comic-books-like posts while using shaming language against anyone who disagrees with him, this blog is a waste of time. Half of every thread is his garbage posts. He thinks he is being clever, but all he does is take up space posting retarded junk. There are plenty of other places we can post intelligent comments and engage in interesting debate and conversation – Steven Sailer and Whorefinder just to name a few. Why is CH allowing this guy to destroy his readership?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:39 am Greg Eliot

        I rest my case.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 11:16 am corvinus

        There are plenty of other places we can post intelligent comments and engage in interesting debate and conversation – Steven Sailer and Whorefinder just to name a few.

        lozlzolzlzozlzozlzz

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 12:08 pm Ronin

        What hyperpraise?

        There is nothing wrong with every CH reader (except butt-hurt narcissist King A) reciting before bedtime,

        “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten GBFM, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting lzozozozoz. Amen.”

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:14 pm corvinus

        “It’s not just that they’re a clique–as a matter of fact, they’re at least four cliques all blackguarding each other half the time” — Evelyn Waugh

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:45 pm Greg Eliot

        +1 on any Waugh reference.

        I imagine him taking notes during lively repartee between H. L. Mencken and Oscar Wilde.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 7:06 pm feministx

        “For fucksake, somebody send me an opponent with a little consistency, with a little sense”

        I could cater to your need, but I’d have to charge.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 3:29 pm Matthew King

        I’d pay just to watch you crash in the attempt.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:00 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozoz

        king did u wirte did s book? is dat u on da right?

        lzozozozooz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozo

        zlzoozozozozoz

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm Lucius Somesuch

      16 And da GBFM™) called unto them and said, Suffer the assocked betas to come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such may come the Renaissance of Honor.
      17 Verily, if lolzloz cannot unbuttplug them from da fiat matrix, I know not what else will.
      18 And a certain king came unto da GBFM ™ and said, “Fool, I need thee not for I know already what shall I do to inherit eternal life.
      19 And da GBFM™) said, Well, let’s hear it then.
      20 And the young ruler said, “I know all the poon commandments, which I have kept after a fashion for, deigning poon itself unclean and, depending upon which way the winds of casuistry dictate, forbidden, I amuse myself by serving Epicurus with one hand (the left) as I chide and bemuse my token e-harem, which is a subset or, if thou must, a sloppy-seconds of the Heavenly Heartiste’s e-harem, while serving my vanity (which is a kind of terrestrial or tertiary deity, being the Self which I do unto as I would do unto others, which is to say I pleasure or, to speak in manly clean terms, for I am above all things, unlikest thou whom I know not, a true manly Alpha Man,– I fuck myself); and, to the greater service of my vanity so that I may better know how to fuck myself and thus, should opportunity afford, how I might better fuck others, I doth solemnly and ill-humouredly bait and scowl at the postings of da GBFM, whose reams of comments are, by all the more fashionable standards of punditry, prudery, pedantry, and every manner of polished and periodic mass-published pussification, so much bother and nonsense which I (please insert a random Penguin Classics quotation at random– though certainly NOT from that Homer fellow), for one, can see no sort of sense in at t’all, which goes a ways to proving that this GBFM fellow is some sort of charlatan, charade, or shameless self-promoter, vices which I so solemnly and laconically scorn as they are entirely beneath my righteous and forthright manfully manly contempt.
      21 GBFM ™ lolz
      22 Now when da GBFM ™ heard all these things, he said, Thou hast read some eminent Victorians, Matt, but one thing thou lackest. Go thou forth and drink more Ovaltine.
      23 Now when the king heard this he was very pissy, for he only drank PBR.
      24 And the disciples were much concerned, for in that place they had been subsisting upon pizzazs and heinekenz
      25 But da GBFM ™ spoke and comforted them, and said, Be ye like unto children, if thou wouldst inherit the honor of da Great Books and your Homeric and Mosaic fatherz
      26 For da Ovaltine decoder ring is so simplz a child could use it, if he has eyes to see
      27 but da butthez matrix hath much confoundzed those wise in their own eyes with da fiat hermeneutics, that dez heartz ar heardened;
      28 And they become like unto mental onanists, for that they cannot get up their dicks;
      29 But be ye not discouraged, for yet all things are possible to da GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN lolzloz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 7:51 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozoozzo

        u nailed it–King (please insert a random Penguin Classics quotation at random– though certainly NOT from that Homer fellow) Matthew lzozoozozozozolzoz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:42 pm Greg Eliot

        Somehow it just seems more clever when GBFM lays it out…

        But a B+ for the effort, kid.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 7:53 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlzozozozozozozozoozoozozozozlzzozoz

        nicezz lzozozoz

        da noble exatleted luciusz has actually read da GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ!!!!

        http://luciussomesuch.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/the-genius-of-great-books-for-men-greatbooksformen-gbfm-tm-gb4m-tm-gr8books4men-tm/

        “THE GENIUS OF GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN GREATBOOKSFORMEN GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

        12/21/2011 · by Lucius Somesuch · in quotation
        I went searching for one of my favorite Great Books For Men comments and found that, indeed, in this case GBFM had double-dipped from his own blog. In response to Heartiste’s “Dominance Plays” GBFM offers some new comments, and then slides in an additional classic chestnut posted earlier on his home blog:

        Today the master fiat class gives the first rights of your wife to an endless array of douchetards, starting in elementary school, commanding her to see lying, peacocking, manipulative, girly beta males as alphas, while seeing manly alphas as betas; as her mother exiled her true father long ago, under command of the fiat masters.

        From an early age they teach her that her ginatingles rule the world, not Jesus, nor Thor, nor Zeus, nor Moses. When she gets knocked up, they reward her with fiat dollars which Ben Benanke hand delivers in his helicopter. . . .

        But GBFM is really on a role. He immediately follows up with the first instance I’d encountered of one of his ‘rewrites’ on the essay Heartiste has just delivered:

        hey heartiststtetsts!!!!

        i have notcied a couple speleleing errororos errors in your ways words and i have fixed them vbecasuee you beemever know when neoocn womenz like chalrortte allen will be dropping by here to check your rgramamamrz grammarz lzozlzllzozozlzozozozo

        GBFM moonlighting as copyeditor has become one of his most endearing, and sublimely surreal, conceits. Here he is in glittering form on a recent entry on the viability of the Romney campaign, complete with a trademark–

        lzzoozlzoozlzolzozoz

        hery hey heartistssee i love your preiddtionss peredictions and i know you work hard so sometimes you mispless missplell things misspells how the fuck do you spelll msisisisisissspelelll? lzozzloololzozzlozol omg it dirves me babaananananaaananannaananansssssananaaas

        anyayawzy i have coreecttred your gramamar and spelelings lzozlzozo::

        2012 prediction: the Eurozone experiment in forced financial buthhexting implodes, taking a cock in the ass and the U.S. with it. . . .

        The corrections for “gramamar and spelelings” consist in inserting curse words and scatology, especially wherever the construction allows some sort of logical homophony between Heartiste’s original complaint (usually these are quite salty in themselves) and GBFM’s obsessive unmasking of “buthhexting” and “assocking”, sodomy being his neo-Dantean metaphor for usury and, well, sodomy, the instrument by which the neoconservatives “desoul” modern women through what Milton would call (I’m digging this one up on my own, but GBFM’s very free to use it if he hasn’t already) “Casual fruition” (PL Bk IV l. 767). Once desouling has taken place, the woman will serve(ice) the fiat masters forever, destroying marriage and family so Bernanke and his conspirators can sit atop their inflationary empires.

        And no, I have not even begun to scrape the magnificent, tragicomic depths of GBFM’s scalding, multilayered vision. GBFM uses a toolbox of commonly recurring key phrases and concepts, yet manages to deploy them in a bewilderingly fertile fashion. He would be side-splittingly funny even if he didn’t, frankly; but that he continually manages to slyly posture behind surprising new parodistic frames (one vintage spiel of fabulous intricacy involves him doing a corrected read-out of the computer screen’s revealing scroll in The Matrix) adds a sense of wonder to his replies. And I haven’t even yet reminded you that “You’ve been ——–fied !” Or however it’s being spelelt these days, lzzoozlz!!!”

        lzozozozozozo
        zlzozoxijhicdoa;pcs

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm Zombie Shane

      > zmbikilr: “Perseverance”

      > Hook or Crook: “Sometimes this experience will be rewarding to you; other times it will be painful as hell.”

      > Heartiste: “Maybe that, at the root of it, is the problem with omega males and some beta males: Their desire is weak. And their weak desire makes it easier for them to indulge self-doubt.”thi

      The Darwinian Nihilists could easily explain away the lack of desire as as being nothing more than a problem with the testosterone levels [and the DNs are now kicking around a theory which holds that male sodomy descends from an overabundance of testosterone].

      But being at heart a Romantic, I think that it might better to analyze this as a character flaw – that the beta/gamma/nerd/geek mamaz-boy loser is actually recoiling from a FEAR OF FAILURE – which, in turn, is what GBFM’s Great Books would have called COWARDICE.

      Bottom Line, though – whether for lack of desire, or fear of failure, or both: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

      So if you’re a beta/gamma/nerd/geek mamaz-boy loser, then just remember that you only need to make safe contact with that ball three times out of every ten pitches thrown your way, consistently, for a decade or two, and you’ll get a bronze likeness of yourself in Cooperstown.

      And in real life, if you were to fornicate with 3 out of 10 chicks to whom you ever spoke more than four or five sentences, then you’d quickly be so wildly successful as a PUA that your Johnson would be clothed in veneral warts and Herpes and antibiotic-resistant Gonorrhea-puss and every other manner of bizarre, pathological, freak-show malady not even yet known to medical science.

      So just look at it as an essentially trivial problem in statistics: If you live near a college campus, or work at a sprawling corporate complex, or get sent by your boss all over town on gopher-boy errands every day, or even if you just REGULARLY ATTEND A DECENT-SIZED CHURCH, then you shouldn’t have any problem striking up a conversation with five or ten chicks every day.

      Multiply that out by five or six days a week, and you’re talking easily 25 to 50 conversations per week.

      And if, each week, only 1-in-50 of those conversations ends in a POONTANG SCORE!!! [while the other 49 end in a “painful as hell” humiliation], then congratulations, Mama’s Boy, you’re now a PUA.

      Which, in turn, means that you’re gonna become accustomed to those regular trips to the doctor to learn whether that shit growing on your Johnson really is a wart, or a blister, or a syphilis sore…

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:27 pm zmbikilr

        My “Perseverence” was not in reference to women, it was in reference to mission. The third rule of poon on this site is the best one, except I would rephrase it as:

        “You shall make your mission, not women, your priority.”

        Apply desire, confidence and perseverance to your mission, and pussy will seek you out. You’re the genuine article of manhood, and they will congregate.

        Young sluts now have a very short cock carousel life before they become skanks at “the wall.” Does getting a skank to spread her legs make you a man? GBFM’s books would call these women cheap whores, not the modern term feminists. You could just pony up money for a real whore and probably have safer sex, albeit at more cost. Are we reduced to a society where masses of men try to find the balls to bed skanks and for the right to raise other men’s children? Men used to be afraid of failure in great quests, now they fear failure in bedding skanks. These men are rightfully loathed by skanks, who also wallow in their own misery. Both are rightly mocked here.

        The best thing an emasculated man could do for himself is not to approach x women per week in the game of skank bingo but rather have someone dump his bloated ass in the middle of some wilderness and see if he has the will to make it out alive. Ideally, people or animals would be trying to kill him. If he does make it, he may emerge with some vision or mission for how to conduct his life thereafter, and he will no longer focus on how to talk skanks into bed.

        You can have unbutthexed non-skank pussy available and swooning without growths on your dick. Such women are so delighted to approach you and be in your company, you simply don’t have to worry about the darker (whorish) elements of their natures even in a feminized world.

        So is it all a character flaw or a genetic flaw? It’s both.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:03 pm Zombie Shane

        > “My “Perseverence” was not in reference to women, it was in reference to mission.”

        And my point is that to get anywhere in life worth getting to [such as getting between a chick’s thighs], you gotta persevere through pain of failure after pain of failure after pain of failure after pain of failure, before you finally start succeeding.

        And you can’t turn back from the pain either because you’re a coward and you’re terrified of it before it even happens, or because you’re too much of a wimp to be able to handle it when it actually arrives.

        It’s all just gotta to be dealt with – you gotta persevere.

        > “So is it all a character flaw or a genetic flaw? It’s both.”

        Yeah, but the Darwinian Nihilists would argue that there’s no such thing as “character” – that there is ONLY genetics.

        Like I said above, though, I’m a romantic at heart, and I cling bitterly to quaint, old-fashioned notions of freedom-of-will, which forces me to believe that conquering both the FEAR of the pain, and then suffering through the ACTUAL pain itself, are about the two most important character building exercises which a young man can force himself to endure.

        On the other hand, he can equally well choose to be a faggot-assed panty-waist little Mama’s Boy, and run back home with his tail between his legs, to the cosy confines of Mommy’s basement, for another long night of World of Warcraft with his online buddies.

        No pain, no gain.

        It’s your choice.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm Zombie Shane

        > “You can have unbutthexed non-skank pussy available and swooning without growths on your dick.”

        One other little statistical point: If you start stepping it up a notch as a PUA, and you get to the point where you’re banging multiple chicks left and right [even as little as only three or four new chicks per month], then you WILL start bringing home the venereal disease.

        Maybe you’ll get lucky for a while, and it’ll just be the relatively benign stuff, but don’t kid yourself – sooner or later, your luck WILL run out.

        Guaran-damn-teed.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:39 pm Greg Eliot

        A far point.

        And judging by some of the grandiose lady-killing claims here at the chateau… coupled with the insipidly thought-out (and even more poorly expressed) posts… I’d venture some of these Lochinvars of the bedroom have gone wanting on their visit to a syphilis clinic.

        (’cause ya see, untreated syph leads to insanity and… aw, forget it, another jest fallen flat.)

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 5:45 am Zombie Shane

        Check out what happened to this filthy Jew who fancied himself a PUA:

        Michael Douglas on Liberace, Cannes, cancer and cunnilingus

        …The throat cancer, I assume, was first seeded during those wild middle years, when he drank like a fish and smoked like the devil. Looking back, knowing what he knows now, does he feel he overloaded his system?

        “No,” he says. “No. Because, without wanting to get too specific, this particular cancer is caused by HPV [human papillomavirus], which actually comes about from cunnilingus.”

        From what? For a moment I think that I may have misheard.

        “From cunnilingus. I mean, I did worry if the stress caused by my son’s incarceration didn’t help trigger it. But yeah, it’s a sexually transmitted disease that causes cancer.” He shrugs. “And if you have it, cunnilingus is also the best cure for it.”

        Right, I say. OK. So what he is suggesting is that it all evens out? “That’s right,” says Douglas. “It giveth and it taketh”…

        So now Catherine Zeta Jones – long on many dudes’ short lists of the most beautiful woman in the world – can’t even kiss her own “husband” for fear of catching cancer.

        AGAIN: DO NOT KID YOURSELF.

        EVENTUALLY YOUR LUCK WILL RUN OUT.

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  2. on June 2, 2013 at 10:16 am Greg Eliot

    Great observations, on both GBFM’s and CH’s part.

    I always felt a certain puzzlement, bordering on unease, in re the alleged great “The Great Gatsby”… as it’s been touted to the skies for nearly a century now.

    This encapsulated the “why” of what I couldn’t quite put my finger on.

    Bravo, guys.

    Damn, they ought to overtly teach red pill philosophy in the schools, if only to augment literature appreciation. 😉

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 11:23 am feministx

      Me too. I don’t think it’s a bad book, but I am at a loss as to why this book is considered so good that virtually all high school students read it.

      Is Taming of the Shrew the work of classic literature that provides the complementary lesson? That end is where one ends up with alpha behavior?

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:29 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN
      THE FAITH OF OUR FATHERSZ
      TEACH US ALL WE NEEDS TO KNOW!!

      For my AP English paperz in high schoolzz I popped some rieteanaz riatalzizn
      and pennedz my A+++ paper Titled:

      “Instead of Pursuing da Green Light at the End of Her Dock,
      Giive her da Green Light to Suck on Da End of Your Cock.
      lzozozoozzozozoz”

      da ststsooooped benenrkiifed teacherz did not undeerstaandz and gave da GF GBFM an FF F and senet eme to da prirncipelsz officez.

      i gotz a D in da dcl classz and den i didn’t gete to kgo kto cocoleegz foc collegeez and now i’ll probabaly never get nmy dream jobz as a barista at starbucckz

      but by and by da GBFM relaized dat now dat ben beenekrake emeporwerz woememzn by bebenrifiying them with stusdneet debt whiele tcucker mamax rhryemss with godldman sax buttehxted and sdesoules dem, da womenz have all da jobs and barista jobs and moneyz

      da only dithing dat dey don’t have is da GBFM’z lostas cockasz

      so u see dat it all turned our OK aneyanwz as THE LORD WORKS IN MSYSTERIOUS WAYZ (i learned t the mighty dalrocka lostsas occkas blog) and now da GBFM

      a) don’t no haaveta work
      b) and da chicckz pay for my GBFM didkcz zozlzozlzozozoz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:35 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Dear geographybeefinalisthimself,

        Because men such as yourself have ceded and surrendered the humanities departments to feminists, the soul of your civilization is being lost, alongside your Natural Rights. I hope you are happy owning up to your cowardly actions, to have given up without a fight.

        Do you consider yourself to be a greater expert on the Rights of Man than Thomas Jefferson, Socrates, Adams, Aritsotle et al?

        John Adams: I should as soon think of closing all my window-shutters to enable me to see, as of banishing the classics to improve Republican ideas.

        In his later years, Thomas Jefferson wrote, “They all fall off, one by one, until one is left with Virgil and Homer, and perhaps Homer alone.” Jefferson advocated the gold standard and railed against central banks, based upon the Natural Rights exalted in Homer, which today men are taught to discount, hate, and detest.

        Thomas Jefferson: A lively and lasting sense of filial duty is more effectually impressed on the mind of a son or daughter by reading King Lear, than by all the dry volumes of ethics, and divinity, that ever were written.

        Thomas Jefferson: I read one or two newspapers a week, but with reluctance give even that time from Tacitus and Homer and so much agreeable reading. . . I feel a much greater interest in knowing what has happened two or three thousand years ago than in what is now passing.

        Dr. Carl J. Richards (in The Founders and The Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment): Through the use of Roman analogies, William Fairfax, Washington’s mentor and surrogate father, impressed upon him “that the greatest of all achievements was, through honorable deeds, to win the applause of one’s countrymen.” . . It was customary for guests at Belvoir, the Fairfax estate, to sign their names in a register, followed by a favorite Latin quotation. . . Although the founders always endorsed classical education on utilitarian grounds, they defined “utility” in the broadest possible manner. In addition to the writing models, knowledge, and ideas which the classics furnished, the founders contended that they were an indispensible training in virtue. John Adams lectured John Quincy: “I wish to hear of your beginning Sallust, who is one of the most polished and perfect of the Roman Historians, every Period of whom, and I had almost said every Syllable and every Letter, is worth Studying. In company with Sallust, Cicero, Tacitus, and Livy, you will learn Wisdom and Virtue. You will see them represented with all the Charms which Language and Imagination can exhibit, and Vice and Folly painted in all their Deformity and Horror. You will ever remember that all the End of study is to make you a good Man and a useful Citizen. . . The connection between the classics and virtue was deeply engrained and implicitly understood. In 1778 Adams wrote regarding Arthur Lee’s sons (including Richard Henry Lee): “Their father had given them all excellent classical educations, and they were all virtuous men.” To Adams, the causal relationship between the first fact and the second was too obvious to require explanation. Such a relationship could be assumed, since the stated purpose of most classical literature, including works of history, had always been to inculcate morality. Since the inculcation of a fixed moral code is not the expressed purpose of most modern literature (perhaps because there is no longer a consenus concerning morality), modern people would be perplexed by the statement, “They all study American history, and they are all virtous people.” But to the founders, the connection between classical training and virtue was clear.” –C. J. Richard, The Founders and the Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment, p. 37

        Socrates honored Homer in his final speech: “Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong – acting the part of a good man or of a bad. Whereas, according to your view, the heroes who fell at Troy were not good for much, and the son of Thetis above all, who altogether despised danger in comparison with disgrace; and when his goddess mother said to him, in his eagerness to slay Hector, that if he avenged his companion Patroclus, and slew Hector, he would die himself – “Fate,” as she said, “waits upon you next after Hector”; he, hearing this, utterly despised danger and death, and instead of fearing them, feared rather to live in dishonor, and not to avenge his friend. “Let me die next,” he replies, “and be avenged of my enemy, rather than abide here by the beaked ships, a scorn and a burden of the earth.” Had Achilles any thought of death and danger? For wherever a man’s place is, whether the place which he has chosen or that in which he has been placed by a commander, there he ought to remain in the hour of danger; he should not think of death or of anything, but of disgrace. And this, O men of Athens, is a true saying.” –Socrates’ Apology

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        OWN IT!

        geographybeefinalisthimself May 20, 2013 at 11:06 writes,

        “In the real world, how is any fictitious literature going to help you on any job? Unfortunately, non-fictitious work was not being stressed nearly enough when I went to school, and I would be surprised if it was in 2013 as well.”

        Ye shall know them by their fruits, and becausegeographybeefinalisthimself and many here have ceded the schools to the feminists and dismissed the schools and universities as irrelevant, you now live in a country where men are routinely denied their Natural Rights to Faith and Family. Where do you think that judge came from who just seized your children. And the funny thing is, you Hate and scoff at Homer and Natural Rights, which teaches the Honor of Family, even more than she did. Own it.

        Above somebody else scoffs at Virgil and laughs at Natural Rights. Own it–own your brave new world sans Natural Rights.

        The great economist of freedom Ludwig Von Mises got his lifelong motto from the Virgil you scoff at, and Thomas Jefferson proclaimed, “They all fall off, one by one, until we are left with Virgil and Homer, and perhaps Homer alone.”

        Homeric Ideals pervade the Declaration of Independence. Own it–Own your world where the classical soul of the Declaration of Independence is being debauched and destroyed, as you scoffed at the Rights of Man and Homer.

        Witness the men here laughing at Natural Rights, Virgil, and Homer.

        And then they wonder why their children were seized form them and why another man is buttocking their future/present/past wife.

        There is more hate for the Great Books for Men here than from any feminist I have ever met.

        It’s time for all the haters to man up and own the world they surrendered. Own it.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Dear geographybeefinalisthimself,

        Because men such as yourself have ceded and surrendered the humanities departments to feminists, the soul of your civilization is being lost, alongside your Natural Rights. I hope you are happy owning up to your cowardly actions, to have given up without a fight.

        Do you consider yourself to be a greater expert on the Rights of Man than Thomas Jefferson, Socrates, Adams, Aritsotle et al?

        John Adams: I should as soon think of closing all my window-shutters to enable me to see, as of banishing the classics to improve Republican ideas.

        In his later years, Thomas Jefferson wrote, “They all fall off, one by one, until one is left with Virgil and Homer, and perhaps Homer alone.” Jefferson advocated the gold standard and railed against central banks, based upon the Natural Rights exalted in Homer, which today men are taught to discount, hate, and detest.

        Thomas Jefferson: A lively and lasting sense of filial duty is more effectually impressed on the mind of a son or daughter by reading King Lear, than by all the dry volumes of ethics, and divinity, that ever were written.

        Thomas Jefferson: I read one or two newspapers a week, but with reluctance give even that time from Tacitus and Homer and so much agreeable reading. . . I feel a much greater interest in knowing what has happened two or three thousand years ago than in what is now passing.

        Dr. Carl J. Richards (in The Founders and The Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment): Through the use of Roman analogies, William Fairfax, Washington’s mentor and surrogate father, impressed upon him “that the greatest of all achievements was, through honorable deeds, to win the applause of one’s countrymen.” . . It was customary for guests at Belvoir, the Fairfax estate, to sign their names in a register, followed by a favorite Latin quotation. . . Although the founders always endorsed classical education on utilitarian grounds, they defined “utility” in the broadest possible manner. In addition to the writing models, knowledge, and ideas which the classics furnished, the founders contended that they were an indispensible training in virtue. John Adams lectured John Quincy: “I wish to hear of your beginning Sallust, who is one of the most polished and perfect of the Roman Historians, every Period of whom, and I had almost said every Syllable and every Letter, is worth Studying. In company with Sallust, Cicero, Tacitus, and Livy, you will learn Wisdom and Virtue. You will see them represented with all the Charms which Language and Imagination can exhibit, and Vice and Folly painted in all their Deformity and Horror. You will ever remember that all the End of study is to make you a good Man and a useful Citizen. . . The connection between the classics and virtue was deeply engrained and implicitly understood. In 1778 Adams wrote regarding Arthur Lee’s sons (including Richard Henry Lee): “Their father had given them all excellent classical educations, and they were all virtuous men.” To Adams, the causal relationship between the first fact and the second was too obvious to require explanation. Such a relationship could be assumed, since the stated purpose of most classical literature, including works of history, had always been to inculcate morality. Since the inculcation of a fixed moral code is not the expressed purpose of most modern literature (perhaps because there is no longer a consenus concerning morality), modern people would be perplexed by the statement, “They all study American history, and they are all virtous people.” But to the founders, the connection between classical training and virtue was clear.” –C. J. Richard, The Founders and the Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment, p. 37

        Socrates honored Homer in his final speech: “Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong – acting the part of a good man or of a bad. Whereas, according to your view, the heroes who fell at Troy were not good for much, and the son of Thetis above all, who altogether despised danger in comparison with disgrace; and when his goddess mother said to him, in his eagerness to slay Hector, that if he avenged his companion Patroclus, and slew Hector, he would die himself – “Fate,” as she said, “waits upon you next after Hector”; he, hearing this, utterly despised danger and death, and instead of fearing them, feared rather to live in dishonor, and not to avenge his friend. “Let me die next,” he replies, “and be avenged of my enemy, rather than abide here by the beaked ships, a scorn and a burden of the earth.” Had Achilles any thought of death and danger? For wherever a man’s place is, whether the place which he has chosen or that in which he has been placed by a commander, there he ought to remain in the hour of danger; he should not think of death or of anything, but of disgrace. And this, O men of Athens, is a true saying.” –Socrates’ Apology

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm Anonymous

        No lololzzzozzozz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:22 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozozoz

        Dear orecret,

        If I am downvoted for standing up for Homer and Virgil
        If I am opposed for celebrating the Rights of Man
        If I am downvoted for emrbacing the favoirte books of Jefferson and Mises
        If I am accused of demagoguing and “shaming”
        for simply acting like a man
        and celebrating the rich Heritage of my Fathers
        which others here scoff at and laugh at
        If I am accused of “offending” grown men
        by simply telling them to man up
        like MEN and read the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN
        and to stop scorning and dismissing
        the soul of freedom
        the poetry of liberty
        the center and circumference of regaining their MANHOOD.
        If I am castigated, accused, berated, and downvoted
        for standing stalwarlty by Homer
        then all it proves
        is that the men here
        are worse than the feminists
        in h8ing on the Great Books for Men
        and it is time for them
        to own their fated loss of Natural Rights
        for failing to honor God, and Man, and the Greats–
        Homer, Moses, Jesus, and Mises.

        zlzoozooz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Thanks Darryl,

        “Ha ha. I thought that was you, GR8BKS4MEN. Advertisement of important literature for men always has a place on a thread which promotes the rights of men and condemns feminism. It’s never out of place and I don’t think it derailed the thread. It’s never out of place.”

        Yes I was thinking how ironic it is
        that the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN
        the very SOUL OF MEN’S RIGHTS
        the books that EXALT FATHERHOOD
        HONOR and CIVIL SOCIETY
        the Homeric, Biblical stories
        are considered
        “out of place”
        and
        “derailing a thread”
        on a site
        supposedly devoted
        to exalting Men’s Rights and Fatherhood.

        Well,
        if they reject their own Fathers
        Moses and Homer who exalt THE FAMILY
        should they really be surprised
        when their own families are destroyed?

        The Feminists have exiled the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN
        from the university
        and instead of lamenting the deconstruction and debasement
        the best they can do
        is attack THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN
        and say “Who gives a fuck?”
        Well, apparently many men don’t these days,
        And that is why,
        Your Rights are dissipating
        Your children are being seized
        Your wages are being garnished
        precisely because
        you don’t give a fuck about the FAITH OF YOUR FATHERS
        the mythology of the immortal soul
        the wellspring of Constitutional Law
        the very fount of the NOBLE SOUL OF MAN.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        why are so many people downvoting my above links?

        more and more it appears that men are voluntarily responsible for the loss of their Natural Rights, their women, families, children, and the great books.

        one the links being downvoted has a video from the acclaimed, successful producer aaron russo speaking truth.

        why are so many here opposed to successful men, truth, and the great books?

        Does everyone agree, that if we read the following works and exalt their honorable principles in our schools, courts, colleges, and churches, we will be well on our way to restoring the Rights of Man?

        0. THE BIBLE
        1. Homer’s Iliad
        2. Homer’s Odyssey
        3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
        4. Virgil’s Aeneid
        5. Socrates’ Apology
        6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
        7. Plato’s Repulic
        8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
        9. Aristotle’s Poetics
        10. Dante’s Inferno
        11. The Declaration of Independence
        12. The Constitution
        13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
        14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        15. Newton’s Principia
        16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
        17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
        18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
        19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
        21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
        22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
        23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
        24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
        25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
        26. THE BIBLE

        One of the remarkable things is that the curriculums of our schools and universities have been gutted and replaced by the soulless feminist lit of the New World Order that criminalizes men.

        And yet, men do not seem to care about this.

        Where are the men’s voices advocating to return Homer, the Bible, Shakespeare, Dante, and Milton to the schools, colleges, and universities?

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Feminism was invented and propagated by the central bankers so as to divide the family and transform men from fathers into wage slaves.

        “Feminism Was Created To Destabilize Society, Tax Women and set up the NWO – Aaron Russo”

        the central bankersz funded feminismsz and the DECONSTRUCTION OF DA GREAT BOOKSZ FOR MENZ

        and it is quite remarkabel remarkable
        that men are quite content
        to buttcocke and gamez slutz
        while letting the GLORIOUS FAITH OF THIER FATHERZ
        fade and rot
        into oblivioznz

        lzozolzozololzlozlozo

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm zmbikilr

        Add Sun Tzu and Satoshi Nakamoto to the reading list for some thoughts on how to solve the problem.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 2:31 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozozoz

        are you saying that HOMER MOSES AND JESUS

        have no idea how to solve the problem?

        lzozozoozozo

        and all of ye wonder
        why
        the WEST IS IN DELCINE
        and FATHERHOODZ
        is being detsroyed
        as ye fanboyz dismiss
        the very SOUL OF MEN
        and WISODM OF YOUR FATHERZ
        and FAIUTH OF YOUR FATHERZ
        da SPIRIT OF THE GREATS
        the GREAT.
        BOOKS.
        FOR.
        MEN!
        lzozoozo

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:09 pm zmbikilr

        Oh it’s a great list, and the books provide inspiration and paint the needed destination for the most part. Some reading items on your list explain the source of the current problems, such as Paul and Hayek. Yet others are the products of revolution that solved this sort of problem before, at least for a time, until it was eroded away. But then a deeper theme in the list is the power of the individual, or an idea, and good solutions are usually a product of the few, not the many.

        When battling Goliath, sometimes you need a David. It never hurts to outsmart the enemy, thus my recommendations. Going Ahab on the Great White whale isn’t always the best, as Book 22 illustrates. Battles for hearts and minds usually end in tears. Harpoon the banker’s ass, not the white whale of manboobs. They’ll wrap a rope around your neck and drag you down with them.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 4:41 pm Subway Masturbator

        GBFM– Hadn’t heard of Jefferson’s Bible, great recommendation, thanks. But I don’t quite get the “all is decline” stuff for instance, do you want to go back to when a large proportion of people were slaves? A direct yes or no would be best, with debate stuff after.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 7:50 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        witness subway masturbator repetating the lies of his fmeinist preachers and teachers: “if we read homer and jesus and moses, and if we stop butocking other menz wives, then we will all instantly return to slavery.”
        lzozozozozozozozo

        witness the greaest enemy of the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–men raised by single motherz lzozozozo who masturabetae on subwyaz lzozoz

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:14 am Greg Eliot

        LLLOZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZLZOZOZL

        Now that’s a retort worthy of anyone’s steel.

        They’re always better when they reflect the truth. 😉

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:11 pm Patriarch

        Ah, have you stopped beating your meat, SubMas?
        Reframing the debate into a form more easily knocked down. Bravo, thou manipulator.
        Bonus points for putting quotation marks around all is decline, much has been done in days past to frame someones argument as sketchy by such a maneuver.
        See, we know who taught you to fight by your stance.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 11:29 pm Greg Eliot

        Reframing the debate into a form more easily knocked down. Bravo, thou manipulator.

        Heh, heh… by their fruits shall ye know them… disingenuous verbal ju-jitsu… can you say “Pharisee”? Sure, I knew you could. 🙂

        See, we know who taught you to fight by your stance.

        And those usual suspect lances be straws… here at the chateau.

        This should be rich… attempting to manipulate a “direct yes or no” and “debate stuff after:” from our inimitable GBFM.

        Let me begin the after with a hearty LOZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZL

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 12:08 am corvinus

        It would appear that Jackoffasaurus hasn’t caught onto the fact that GBFM dings the Js also…

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 7:27 pm Anonymous

        No gbfm wasn’t voting down agree with u. Was saying no laughing matter

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  3. on June 2, 2013 at 10:23 am moses

    Re: Gatsby. Lots of lessons in that book. Fitzgerald has a great line at the end about the ability of women to lie convincingly when Myrtle’s sister Catherine lies about Myrtle’s affair with Tom to protect her sister.

    Re: Hook or Crook comment. Fucking brilliant. “Your desires and your limiting beliefs are on opposite sides of the scale; the heavier one will win.”

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 11:44 am Anon

      Didn’t Mystery make the point expressed by HoC a decade ago?

      The point of peacocking is to attract attention, whether positive or negative, and then to demonstrate higher value by handling the shit tests.

      Betas/omegas are weak-willed by nature. They want all the positives of alphahood (pussy, status, etc.) without the negatives (turf wars, shit tests, etc.). The spoils of alpha are plenty, but heavy is the crown.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 12:05 pm corvinus

        Great post.

        Shit tests are the world naming you Sue.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:53 pm Anonymous

        That song is bulks hit because it says there’s someone for everyone.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:36 pm realmatt

        Not ever omega was destined to be one. Not every one was gutless from the beginning.

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  4. on June 2, 2013 at 10:51 am Erik Roar

    So that’s what the Great Gatsby is really about. It’s required reading in school but didn’t seem to have any value in the post reading discussions. Through this lens it’s a valueable lesson in what not to do, or be. The books lessons are too covert to reach the kids forced to read it without some explaining.

    Being challenged is just another chance to show you climbed up. Sometimes it’s like they ask you to put them below you.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm Anonymous

      The Great Gatsby is not a first rate piece of literature because it is impossible to like Gatsby. I read the book in uni and can’t remember anything about it.

      However its satirical relevance has grown and, maybe, the author had some foresight into the SWPL mindset.

      Gatsby reminds me of idiotic non-men who one sees around certain SWPL parts of Dublin these days with their bored, pampered wives carrying organic food shopping bags to status-whore. Gatsby was a dull man who had to make his own drama. He paid for it with his life.

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  5. on June 2, 2013 at 11:09 am JFinn

    OT: you guys have to read the comment section here. A female marshmallow man posts a picture of herself on cafemom in a dress that’s meant for actual women. What ensues is the most delusional stream of delusional-ness ever:

    http://www.cafemom.com/group/115189/forums/read/18595423/My_family_is_in_shock?ct=featured&p=1&cid=7789

    “Sexy is a feeling ya know!!!! Confidence is key!!!!!”

    “You are glowing!”

    “You are a looker”

    This is what happens when 80% of females pass on their genes, compared to 40% of males. The undesirable males do shit like splitting the atom or decoding the human genome, while the female Jabba the Huts fester a cesspool of illiteracy typed in retard-crayon font.

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  6. on June 2, 2013 at 11:17 am Cool Dude

    Serious Game Question. Basic facts about me: early 40’s, good looking, tall, descent job, just becoming divorced. Here’s the question: Where do I go to meet good looking women 20-mid 30’s? I live in suburbs close to a major city.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 8:14 pm Patriarch

      Cool Dude,
      Depends on what you want.
      You want a young club rat to fuck a few times and leave?
      You want a new girlfriend?
      What is it you’re after?

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 8:31 pm Cool Dude

        I would like the choice for both. A girl to have few times to enjoy in the sack and/or a girlfriend. Which ever I choose.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 5:59 am Zombie Shane

      Did you have kids with your wife, or are you still childless?

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm Cool Dude

        2 minor kids.

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  7. on June 2, 2013 at 11:54 am christianmorris

    People succeed when their desire for it exceeds their fear of rejection.

    Easy.

    As easy as the other iron maxim, “chicks dig jerks”.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 9:57 pm Patriarch

      Literally it means stoo assuming she’s better than you. Say what you want and convey what you want without apology. She’s just a girl, brah.

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  8. on June 2, 2013 at 12:00 pm whorefinder

    Great Gatsby is such a boring, overrated piece of crap. The hook had to be how wonderful Daisy was to the viewer until the end–that is, Fitzgerald had to give us all “oneitis” until the end, and it dawns on us (like Gatsby) that Daisy’s just a pretty, slutty, flighty party girl. Paris Hilton of the 1920s.

    But Fitzy didn’t do that, which is why the book flopped (it was deemed a failure in Fitzy’s lifetime) until the next generation of commie-inspired lit professors pushed it down student’s throats–mostly because of themes of the “emptiness” of the American dream/material wealth (we should follow Obama and Stalin, Mein Comrades! Seig Heil!).

    In short, most intelligent readers realize Daisy’s a worthless piece of trash before the halfway point, and Gatsby’s silly for following her. As such, most people were bored with it.

    East of Eden had a much better example of onitis without payoff—bonus for Oedipal complex (Cal’s obsession with figuring out his literal whore-of-a-mother).

    Also, rape!

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm Matthew King

      The end. Next topic.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:10 pm Anonymous

      Yes, this review is accurate – it’s mediocre writing.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:29 pm Greg Eliot

      Bravo.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm Dan Fletcher

      I remember reading the Great Gatsby in high school and being completely underwhelmed. May have been one of the worst books we were required to read.

      I’m in complete agreement with your assessment.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm corvinus

      That was my reaction to it. I read partway through it, got bored, skipped to the end, found out that Gatsby ended up dead, but didn’t really bother to find out how. CH’s description (and Wikipedia) confirmed by suspicions that Gatsby, despite his acquired wealth, was a loser in love.

      Sounds like the Roaring Twenties’ version of The Sorrows of Young Werther, which is likewise a betatoid oneitis batin’ festival.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:16 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      what ye must understand
      my fine friend
      is dat da GREAT GATSBY
      was penned in an era
      of pre-berankiifeied womenz zlozozozz
      daisy did not take it up da butt
      from numerous lostass cockasz
      and thus it was conceivabele
      dat she could be an object of romantic love
      but yes of course
      in todayz context
      one lookz at gastby and goes
      “WHAT A LOSERZ TO PINE OVER A BERNENEKAIFFED SLUTZ !! lzozozozozozozozozoz”

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm n/a

        You’d be surprised as to what your average flapper got up to.

        Pretty women have always wanted to go to Paris and spend a few weeks on all fours; after a while, they’re none too particular as to which hole is plunged.

        Nothing new.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozozoz

        yes u fuckatradz

        HELEN RAN OFF WITH PARIS IN THE ILIAD

        the difefrences iz though
        dat back den MEN HAD RECOURSZSEZ
        and HONOR
        and LAWZ
        and NOBILITYZ
        and ohonored ZEUSZ

        today you little fatherlezz fanboyzz
        say
        “but buttt butt there has always been butthext! leave womenz and britney alone! waahaha wahahaha wahahah!”

        da modern bernekifed american male:

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:45 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        i luv it when little
        fatherlezzz fanboys fuckdardz
        go
        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”
        and dismiss the decline of WESTERN CIVILIZATION
        as not worthy of their little fatherless fanboy fucktardation.”
        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”
        “butt butt butt der has laways been butthext!!! la la la”
        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”
        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”
        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”

        and menwhile the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN the GLORIOUS FAITH OF OUR FATHERZ are left to rot and die

        as the little tinkly winkly fatherless fanboyz skip around in furry hatz trying to get their peckers wet in dirty pre-pbuttcocked bungholez beenrnkrifed bungohles, pluugging tehir ears and closing their eyes while leavihng their bungholes wide, wide oepn, and singing:

        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”
        “butt butt butt der has laways been butthext!!! la la la”
        “nothing new la la lal la la la la la ala
        la la lala lal lal la la”

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:09 pm n/a

        It isn’t new.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm Kate

        “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”

        [CH: So we beat on, boners against the torrent, bareback seamlessly into the ass.]

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 7:48 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        what is new,
        u little fucktard
        is that men are actively discrimated against
        and legislated against
        and you don’t
        give a fuck
        that our women are being bernekififed
        and that our families are beying detsoryed
        becuase
        unless i miss my guess
        u r a
        buttcockerz
        avid butteockrerz zlozlzoz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 7:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        what is new
        is all the balless, peckerless fatherless drugged-up, dumvbed down fanboyz
        who let the faith fo teir fatherz die
        without a fight lzozozo

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 1:29 pm n/a

        Feminism is a great evil, gbfm, and weak, supplicating men are to blame for it — but there’s nothing new about the sly licentiousness of women.

        Their mischief and merriment has always gone on, and gone down, belowstairs and behind-the-curtain.

        While Mr Causabon is attended by giggles. 😉

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 3:15 pm Kate

        My word! I didn’t even include the part about the “orgastic future”!

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:54 pm zmbikilr

        I’d argue that era was the start of bernankification. Don’t forget the butthext on Jekyll Island, or the suffrage. Progressive banker’s WWI decimated male ranks to make the 20s a girls gone wild for buttext decade. A perfect setup for consolidation of state power in the 30s.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        yes!!!

        dat was just da beginingzz

        and f. scott firtgerlalz born in Born: September 24, 1896, Saint Paul, MN

        spent his firts 25 DEVELOPMENTAL yearsz

        in a pre-bernenekifed ereezz lree erazs lzozozozz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm Greg Eliot

        Progressive banker’s WWI decimated male ranks to make the 20s a girls gone wild for buttext decade. A perfect setup for consolidation of state power in the 30s.

        Good point.

        And once ensconced, they wasted no time in setting up term limits for the prez. 😉

        Pretty women have always wanted to go to Paris and spend a few weeks on all fours; after a while, they’re none too particular as to which hole is plunged.

        Heh, heh… the movie Woody Allen wouldn’t make…

        Midnight In Paris (On All Fours)

        llozoZozozlzlzlzlzozozozlzlzlzlzlz

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm corvinus

        Heh, heh… the movie Woody Allen wouldn’t make…

        Midnight In Paris (On All Fours)

        llozoZozozlzlzlzlzozozozlzlzlzlzlz

        Rule 34…

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 3:05 pm cynthia

      English teachers seem to have an unhealthy fixation with post-WWI literature. Maybe that makes sense, though, because it was in this period that ethnic self-hatred took hold in the West, along with a whole host of those post-modern philosophies the intellectuals seem to love so much.

      It’s like the Hunger Games. Shit writing, shit story, but the characters would seem to embody some kind of contemporary ideal, so despite all the glaring flaws, the book is celebrated.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 11:08 am Greg Eliot

        Well-put.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 4:42 pm Subway Masturbator

      And you, are not rated at all!

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 7:35 am feministx

      You appear actually intelligent. Maybe even thoughtful. Why do you get so crazy so often?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 9:59 am Greg Eliot

        Hamster spin cycle mode… medium speed. 😉

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      • on June 12, 2013 at 9:48 pm whorefinder

        Why are you an ugly dumb dyke who annoys us with your solipsism ? Get raped and die— likely by the same nigger, bitch.

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  9. on June 2, 2013 at 12:01 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

    So that’s what “The Great Gatsby” is all about… Truth be told, I never read the damn book in high school. Thanks to CH’s Cliff Notes, I don’t have to.

    Money is no substitute for aloof, asshole game. You can get by with little of the former, but you’ll be condemned to a life of indentured betatude without lotsa the latter.

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  10. on June 2, 2013 at 12:09 pm BA

    Kudos to Hook or Crook for his extremely insightful & excellent comment. Well done!

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  11. on June 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm Chris from Dublin

    Gatsby is not likeable

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  12. on June 2, 2013 at 12:17 pm Matthew King

    There’s a reason why lower betas and omegas run screaming from seduction/game/et al., and its because that spotlight can burn like a motherfucker, and – for them – its better to lick their collective wounds (e.g. their genetic and social deficiencies) than to experience its harsh glare.

    But how much of this can be explained through prose (or even poetry), by video, by website, and by seminar?

    Every boy omega needs a mentor. Without someone in person to aspire to, someone who will kick the kid’s ass whenever starts slipping back to the center of omega gravity, what real chance is there? Learning through example rather than by reading the Ikea Instruction manual is at least ten times more effective.

    The game community should be a Big Brothers/Big Sisters outfit, a clearinghouse and meet-up sight to match charitable local alphas to woebegone omegas, rather than as a place to post random general advice and to hawk “seduction” materials.

    “Run screaming from … game?” No, son, get back into the arena. You fairy.

    Matt

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:28 pm zmbikilr

      No alpha wants to mentor someone else’s beta/omega spawn they didn’t raise properly, or weren’t around to raise. Sounds cuckoldish to me.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 1:02 pm corvinus

        Another reason why single moms suck: men need dads.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 3:09 pm Greg Eliot

        That’s what drill sergeants are for. 😉

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 4:18 pm Matthew King

        If only they volunteered. I’m not sure they’d get deprogrammed in your beloved army anymore, what with the women and fairies and the ubiquitous “sexual harassment” training. The armed forces are going the way of all modern workplaces, like a big lactation center. Making the “environment” “safe” for “women” is more important than all the “obsolete” functions of the military, like killing people and blowing shit up. (Or in the case of business, those evil manocentric priorities like survival and profit.)

        I’d recommend a drill instructor instead, but even the USMC is starting to get fagified contrary to its will.

        No, we cannot rely on our hollowed out, mutated, zombified institutions in name only. We have to assume they will succumb to corruption, and not be surprised when they do.

        Even the Boy Scouts are on the enemy’s target list. The Boy Scouts.

        Matt

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:39 pm Greg Eliot

        Can’t argue those points… sigh.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:57 am corvinus

        Making the “environment” “safe” for “women” is more important than all the “obsolete” functions of the military, like killing people and blowing shit up.

        Hmm… does the Syrian Army have a foreign legion?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:59 am Greg Eliot

        Vive la mort, vive la guerre, vive le sacré mercenaire!

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm Matthew King

        No alpha wants to mentor someone else’s beta/omega…

        This website is full of exactly those kind of mentors. I’m not talking about rugrats. I’m talking about the men who had feminized-deadbeat-divorced-absent-beta fathers, raised by their single moms to be a good lil omega boy, and now in their teens and twenties.

        How else is this battleship going to turn around? By a campaign to force The Mystery Method onto local school curricula?

        You underestimate how much the enlightened man wants to help his brothers out of their omega hellholes. What else explains this very website?

        Matt

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 4:53 pm zmbikilr

        This website exists in the world of dangerous ideas, for anyone who chooses enlightenment and for the benefit of society as a whole, though we know only a few individuals will benefit from it’s lessons.

        For the individual manboobs, reeducation at military school or in the military is the best option, as Greg alluded to above. Maybe this would salvage some of them. I think war used to cleanse the manboobs and less intelligent from the population. I could care less if some individual manboob is reproductively successful. In fact, I’d rather they not be, as I believe there’s a genetic component as well. They are not my brothers, they are genetic garbage creeping into the population in the absence of war. Nature is cruel for a reason. I see no reason to fight her wisdom. Let women do what they do best and seek the best cock they can find in the enlightened.or the genetically superior. In the end, we’re all better off.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:37 pm Kate

        So, in the absence of war, for the survival of the species, women’s polyandry is the successful strategy?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 12:53 pm zmbikilr

        No. State sponsored polyandry is essentially what we have now. Single moms, beta bux funneled through the state, and alpha cock carousels, right? A side effect is emasculated men with mostly no ambition or drive.

        In the meantime, all a guy can do is maintain his ambition and drive and carve out his little kingdom and enjoy the women that come wanting him that know how to inspire him. Men with no ambition deserve their celibacy at the hands of women.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:42 pm Patriarch

        And the problem lies in everytime somebody gets to told to stop acting like a faggot or to stop whinning, someone wants to rush in like an overprotective single mother and coddle the crying child and say, “Don’t yell at him, you’ll hurt his feelings…” He needs his feelings hurt. Boys teasing and tormenting each other has been common practice since the beginning and it serves a purpose. Remove that, and you end up with guys who whine on and on about white priveledge and label themselves cis-gendered. What they need is a bloody nose and some dirt on their face. Watch the manboobs rush to the defense of the emotional well being of their fellow titty babies on the boards here the next time one of them gets shot down by one of the few guys here willing to correct his brother with a quick smack.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 6:23 am Zombie Shane

        Matthew King’s notions of PUA mentoring, and GBFM’s notions of respect for the most important traditions of Western Civilization, are PRECISELY why I’m here.

        I wanna do everything in my power to try to save our culture, and to see to it that we make the babies necessary to preserve our culture into at least the foreseeable future.

        Which means disabusing our young men of all the nonsense which the Frankfurt School inundates them with 24×7, and persuading our young women not to go full-on Stanley Ann Dunham or Lindsay Boehner or Kim Kardashian, pushing out little half-human/half-orangutan abominations of miscegenation.

        Unless maybe the orangutan in question is an exceedingly rare “Cornball Nigger”, like that RGIII dude with the Redskins, who has seems to have some actual character.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 3:43 pm Matthew King

        Take over a Boy Scout troop and inculcate game. Patches for approaching and negging, a sewn star for every shit-test passed, etc. You’ll last maybe a couple months before the harpies descend, but you will have influenced a generation.

        Maybe even well enough to have your charges fend off the harpies themselves: “Fuck you, you dumpy short-haired dyke, Scoutmaster Shane told me you would screech that way… Now if you’ll get out of my way, I’m headed over to the Spirit Camp to make a cheerleaders’ pyramid full of white babies. You know, ‘mom,’ the babies you were supposed to make…”

        In all seriousness, our real salvation is in the youth. We have to focus on their indoctrination just as hard as the leftists did. Only not so much via institutions as by guerrillas.

        Matt

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:24 pm Anonymous

        “I wanna do everything in my power to try to save our culture, and to see to it that we make the babies necessary to preserve our culture into at least the foreseeable future.”

        As well as disseminate lies, slander, and hate against the Js, which is one of the main reasons I’m here. However, I can’t find a pussy, as I try to inundated my pussies with a slew of these lies, but most women look at me like I’m crazy and need help, so we fight and they leave. But I know women don’t listen to me because women have low IQ, and that’s why we don’t last long as a couple in the end; it’s not my supposed crazy ideas about the Frank Fruit conspiracy or the shiku-jitsu conspiracy. Hence, I am doing everything I can to help our cause with my brilliance….blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, v, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah………….and if I can only get my hands on kids “oh how wonderful it will be.”

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  13. on June 2, 2013 at 12:17 pm Dave

    What true happiness really looks like:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334679/Czech-mother-23-gives-birth-countrys-naturally-conceived-quintuplets-doctors-say-95-chance-growing-healthy.html

    The most beautiful woman ever !

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm Anon

      Yeah, except they’re technically bastards.

      “She and her partner” means her and the guy who’s temporarily plowing her.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 10:56 pm corvinus

        They’re Czechs… which means they’re 90% likely to be atheists.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 7:19 am Greg Eliot

      Heh, heh… bouncing baby Czechs.

      If she had gotten an abortion, they would have been cancelled Czechs.

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  14. on June 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm Comment Of The Week: The Guileless Gatsby | Viva La Manosphere!

    […] heartiste.wordpress.com […]

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  15. on June 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm whorefinder

    P.S. the hilarity is how many niggers love this and Scarface—two wildly piss poor pieces of pop culture that involve massive overspending, bad dressing, and 2-dimensional caricatures of masculinity and criminality.

    Rape!

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  16. on June 2, 2013 at 12:29 pm chris

    If niceguys are the equivalent of sluts, perhaps women’s negative reactions to betas/niceguys learning about game/PUA is the equivalent of guys reacting negatively to a girl learning not to put out when in the past she did. They are essentially angry over their perception that they are being defrauded as to the true mate value of the person.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:07 pm corvinus

      There’s something to that, all right. But that’s what shit tests are for.

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  17. on June 2, 2013 at 12:38 pm n/a

    “Finally when we were eating the cherry tart and had a last carafe of wine he said, ‘You know I never slept with anyone except Zelda.’

    ‘No, I didn’t.’

    ‘I thought I’d told you.’

    ‘No. You told me a lot of things but not that.’

    ‘That is what I want to ask you about.’

    ‘Good. Go on.’

    ‘Zelda said that the way I was built I could never make any woman happy and that was what upset her originally. She said it was a matter of measurements. I have never felt the same since she said that and I have to know truly.’

    ‘Come out to the office,’ I said.

    ‘Where is the office?’

    ‘Le water,” [the men’s room] I said.

    We came back into the room and sat down at the table.

    ‘You’re perfectly fine,’ I said. ‘You are O.K. There’s nothing wrong with you. You look at yourself from above and you look foreshortened. Go over to the Louvre and look at the people in the statues and then go home and look at yourself in the mirror in profile.’

    ‘Those statues may not be accurate.’

    ‘They are pretty good. Most people would settle for them.’

    ‘But why would she say it?’

    ‘To put you out of business. That’s the oldest way in the world of putting people out of business. Scott, you asked me to tell you the truth and I can tell you a lot more but this is the absolute truth and all you need. You could have gone to a doctor.’

    ‘I didn’t want to. I wanted you to tell me truly.’

    ‘Now do you believe me?’

    ‘I don’t know,’ he said.

    ‘Come on over to the Louvre,’ I said. ‘It’s just down the street and across the river.’

    We went over to the Louvre and he looked at the statues but still he was doubtful about himself.

    ‘It is not basically a question of the size in repose,’ I said. ‘It is the size that it becomes. It is also a question of angle.’

    I explained to him about using a pillow and a few other things that might be useful for him to know.

    ‘There is one girl,’ he said, ‘who has been very nice to me. But after what Zelda said–‘

    ‘Forget what Zelda said,’ I told him. ‘Zelda is crazy. There’s nothing wrong with you. Just have confidence and do what the girl wants. Zelda just wants to destroy you.’

    ‘You don’t know anything about Zelda.’

    ‘All right,’ I said. ‘Let it go at that. But you came to lunch to ask me a question and I’ve tried to give you an honest answer.’

    But he was still doubtful.

    ‘Should we go and see some pictures?’ I asked. ‘Have you ever seen anything in here except the Mona Lisa?’

    ‘I’m not in the mood for looking at pictures,’ he said. ‘I promised to meet some people at the Ritz bar.'”

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm Greg Eliot

      Sure, that’s the way Hemingway embellishes the event… but I have it on good authority that what he truly said was:

      “You want me to look at your what? You fairy.”

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  18. on June 2, 2013 at 1:29 pm Scray

    FR –>

    The thirty day challenge began Weds, rather than Tues. Had a ton of interactions, but there’s always a few per night that present a learning opportunity. As always, I apologize for the length.

    Weds —

    We roll to a section of town with several great medium intensity venues (more high energy and anonymous than a straight up bar but less than a club). I spot a guy talking to a 6 and a 7. I study them for a few seconds and conclude the guy isn’t with them (their body language, his body language, blah blah). I open with the usual ‘sorry I’m late…’ and exchange names, then the dude talks over me to the 6 and asks her what she does. She says, flatly, ‘work.’

    Me: (I smirk and tap her on the arm) Really? That’s the best you can do. -Work-?
    6: Ya…
    Me: Fine, if you and your friend aren’t gonna tell me what you do…I’m just gonna make something up
    6: …that’s fine.
    Me: that’s fine (spoken with my tongue out) that’s you. that’s what you sound like (she laughs)
    AGC: Nah, if they don’t want to tell…that’s cool, I mean — – (starts talking to the 7)
    Me: Yeah, obviously you and your friend work in the circus, and you’re the ring leader and she’s the lion tamer.
    6: Psh….(pause…she decides to play along) she would never be a lion tamer, I would be….
    Me: She’s an incompetent lion tamer?! That’s kind of a mean thing to say about your friend
    6: No, I – –
    Me: I mean, christ…with friends like you. Whatever, I won’t tell her, it’ll be our secret.
    6: (blink blink)….huh, I….
    Me: (immediately turns to the 7 cutting off her convo with chode) Your FRIEND thinks you’re a shitty lion tamer
    7: (pauses, tilts head, laughs) what….
    Me: (to the 6) Sorry, I broke the secret. You were foolish to share it with me
    6: (smirks) We don’t have secrets anyway
    Me: Oh it’s gonna be like that, eh? (walks across group, puts arm around 7…looks at her) Hey, we’re best friends now. HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES, 6?
    6: (laughs…then, 7 tries to do that thing girls do where they talk to each other and exclude the guys….I’m sick of this shit happening; I end up snapping my fingers between them) WHAT. THE. FUCK? You are SO bad at this! Stop talking to her.
    7: (she turns back) Oh, sorry!
    Me: Ya… (AGC keeps trying to fuck my shit up by just saying logical shit ‘what are you talking about’ ‘what, they’re friends dude…’ He talks to the 6, motioning at me a few times)….guess what, I have you figured out already. (idk, it just came out of my mouth)
    7: Oh ya?
    Me: Ya….you’re like the kind of person who — almost always unwillingly — inspires a lot of passion in people.
    7: (tilts her head and chuckles) what does that even mean….?
    (on cue, AGC starts talking to 7 again about how awesome he is at painting, art, blah blah blah blah….and he’s talking LOUD, trying to box me out…her eyes are glazing over, and I lightly tap her arm, then look at him and gesture with my thumb)
    Me: (steps a little closer when he turns attention back to the 6 for one second) See what I mean? (she snickers and turns more toward me….ahhh, social hookpoint reached, now it’s time to DHV….but then…_

    Then three more girls come in and swoop those two away, but I didn’t let the 7 go easily. Worst number close in the history of all time. I barely reached the social hookpoint and I’m like, ‘ya so give me your number.’ She’s like ‘I don’t even know you!’ ‘So…’ Lol, I was pushy and gay about it, but I got it. Don’t any of you worry — as of right now she’s a flake. Still, it seems like you gotta ask for the number (or try to go with them or keep them there if you can), if only to get smoother at executing the process. I just thought that using the cold read there to AMOG was pretty cool.

    Ya, then after I talked with a 5.5 and a 4….using game on the 5.5 was like fishing with dynamite. Could easily be the summer’s first lay…but I mean….meh, idk, maybe hold out for something better.

    Thurs —

    Opened lots of sets at a club…nice venue. One interaction stood out. I was talking to these three girls, 6.5, 7, 7.5. Opened…did the little roleplay, got their names, then….

    Me: Ya…..she’s definitely the best singer out of you three
    7.5: No I’m not
    Me: Ya you are. Sing YMCA.
    7.5: (laughing) Okay, well…you have to do the YMCA signs
    Me: I don’t have to do shit. We’ll all do it, all right guys? I’m gonna count you off……1, 2, 3, 4
    (funny shit, she starts singing it, her friends start doing the YMCA thing — I don’t do anything)
    Me: …. you guys look real stupid right now. (they laugh)

    Enter three tall, ripped, d00ds.
    AMOG1: Who the fuck is this guy? Psh
    AMOG2: Yeah, I’ll have a cranberry vodka, fool
    (they laugh among themselves…….fuck these motherfuckers)
    Me: (smile) All right man…(then just points to the table where there are no cranberry vodkas)…there you go
    AMOG3 gets in my space, looking down at me trying to intimidate me…I still smile
    Me: Hey man, nice to meet you. That’s a killer belt you have on.
    AMOG3: Nice to meet you to, and uh….I’m, just a weeeee bit taller than you
    Me: (in a thuglife-meets-pauly-shore’s-optimism voice….still smiling) Congratulations, dudebro!
    (girls laugh, when I try to shake his hand again he does the thing where he runs his hand through his hair instead….now I just legit laugh at this faggot and turn back to the main group)
    Me: I used to have a secret handshake just like that in 10th grade — did you guys have secret handshakes? (to the girls — one of them covers her mouth with a snicker, holy shit…am I….am I sort of winning this?….now the guy is visibly pissed)
    AMOG3: ….yeah, well when was that…25 years ago?!
    (wtf….I’m guessing he must’ve meant 5 years ago to comment on my youth but due to a total abundance of fagitude messed it up. I just look down at the girl next to him and raise eyebrow then look away…no one laughs at what he says now)
    AMOG3: …These are our girlfriends dude, step the fuck off.
    7: No, no hey it’s okay…we were having fun, and…
    Me: Nah, hey, I totally understand. It was nice meeting all of you.
    (I then make sure to shake all of the AMOG’s hands and just bounce)

    That night was ok. Nightly opened a set with a 3, 5, and 6 (I swear I only see him open average/plain sets) So for funsies I kissed the 5 (his target was the 5.5) in like 5 minutes. However, I was a shitty wing because I went to the bar with both of them to give Nightly a chance alone with his target….then just opened another set. Without anyone to distract, the obstacles returned…heh. M’bad.

    Fri —

    Three interactions that are strange….first, a 7 and a 7.5. I do the opener, I start into a roleplay — ‘we met last week at the party….’ /HIJACKED

    7: Ya, there was a unicorn there, right?
    7.5: Oh I’m sure there was, Yeah WE MET BY THE UNICORN (puts a hand on my shoulders) Remember? You were the gayest one there…
    Me: …Oh hey that’s an okay story, I give it a 6 on a scale of 1-10
    7: (they both laugh…)
    Me: So you guys are obviously from around here
    7.5: Actually we aren’t….
    7: Yeah, we’re from Mars
    Me: I’m from Venus — I guess they mixed us up. (I think it’s a good joke, but it’s a little too much in the moment and it sails over their heads)
    7.5: What’s Venus like?
    Me: Idk I left when I was a baby….you go to school?
    7: Ya, I’m an English major
    Me: Oh that’s why you make up stories…(to the 7.5) let me see your glasses
    (7.5 smiles then complies)
    Me: (impersonation of the 7) Oooh look at me, I make up stories about being on Mars, blah blah blah, I’m so smart I’m an Eng-rish major….
    (they laugh, and I’m sitting there with her glasses on for a few seconds and things die a little…then, all of a sudden…)
    7: Wow, be entertaining.
    7.5: Ya, you were so much fun a minute or two ago.
    Me: Fuck you. (lol I realize too late that this entire thing is just a ninja insane shit test of epic proportions — or that’s what my perceptions lead me to believe, and so I’ve just come off as another yuk yuk queer giving them good vibes, and so ya…the fuck you is actually kind of butthurt because I feel like they didn’t need more jokes from me or whatever, I feel like they needed to be led/dominated/whatever in response to the testing….I manage to recapture the bad emotions while they recoil)
    7/7.5: Whoa…
    Me: (smile, act as if it didn’t happen) Oh yeah, why an English major, why not Art, or biology, or whatever? (they snicker…)
    7: Because I’m from Maaaaaaars….
    (both of them giggle at one another…..I’m confused as phuck….)
    Me: Ya, cool. You gonna keep bullshitting all night?
    7: I’m not bullshitting you at all!
    (At the next opportunity, I bail….and I immediately regret it. I need to learn to take myself more seriously, but also….I just vow that from now on I ain’t ejecting until I’ve tried everything possible)

    So then off of that I see a 5 and a 7 walking past. Run the opener….INSTANT backturn by the 7 even though the 5 was going to respond. I could leave, but nope….

    Me: Hey, don’t be rude…(I say this with a smile…she turns and gives me a dirty look, then turns away again)
    5 stays out of it
    Me: Wow…that’s weird, you don’t even talk to people who talk to you? (still said in a light tone)
    5: We’re just ordering a drink….
    Me: …oh ya? I can recommend some good ones here, me and my friends have pretty much tried everything on the menu
    5: Oh ya? (gets a menu….7 snatches it from her…lol, I just edge closer and start to point at the menu)
    Me: Ya, see this is a good two for one specia- –
    7 yanks the menu away from me. hahahaha.
    Me: (to the 5) your friend is something, huh? I mean it’s just funny. This has never happened to me before (just a random statement, real light…and then…)
    7 whirls around, arms folded
    7: Oh, do they just fall at your feet with all of that talk? Newsflash, I’m not like other girls….
    (I can practically feel the emotions come off of her now….and I’m actually just flabbergasted. It feels like a window of opportunity just opened. Annnnnd….I just stand there, blinking…the set’s over soon enough, I just direct them to the bar in a gesture and smile. I felt really good about that set….because I feel like I could have turned it around. Something about what I did seems like the right way to do it. Best rejection ever)

    See an 8 sitting next to a 5, and I roll in with my opener. The 8 acts slightly, politely amused, and then I bust on her for being on her cell phone. I said something like :DO YOU NOT SEE YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BREAKDOWN OF CIVILIZATION! GOD. DAMMIT, and she was like ‘whoa, calm down,’ and I (accidentally) delivered this perfectly….hard eye contact, a slight smirk, awesome body posture ‘you don’t tell me what to do.’

    ….
    And so the great shit-test avalanche of 2013 began…I mean, we were STARING INTO ONE ANOTHER’S EYES during this entire exchange, keep in mind.

    Her: Oh I think I do, what are you 4’10
    Me: 6’8, I’m just really far away
    Her: I bet your dick’s really “far away” too (lol)
    Me: Ya it’s like a wet baby carrot
    Her: (she snickers…) Ya my ex-boyfriend’s was huge…so we’re going to have a problem.
    Me: Thanks for the health report regarding your vag.
    Her: (another snicker…but she like, seems to be annoyed by the fact that she snickered….you have to see this shit to believe it)
    Me: Oh gee, she likes me…
    Her: (she shakes her head, still smiling) No, I don’t. Your watch is just douchey…
    Me: Thanks
    Her:…and I don’t even know what you’re trying to accomplish here
    Me: ……victory?
    Her: Victory…..you? (like a dog with a fucking bone, man….)
    Me: …yeah (faltering)
    Her: Does this ever even work for you? (she’s getting to me, I’m getting fried here….I’m very confused — we haven’t broken eye contact)
    Me: Jesus christ….just be nice. (I avert my gaze a bit…..she laughs but, it’s not a good one. everything eases back to normal………I’m frustrated, I ask for the number a few minutes later….she ‘doesn’t give it out to anyone.’ :*(. Greaaaaaaaaat….)

    Sat —

    Club time again. For whatever reason, interacting with hot girls — good bad, whatever — has started to fuel my confidence. My body language is getting there…I still struggle with slowing down my movements and getting rid of nerdo twitchy movements. So, with hot girls…especially after I do something bold or cool (like I talk to a 7, run the opener and just smirk and sit next to them….they’ll smile and be like…)

    ‘how tall are you?’
    ‘too bad you’re so short’

    Some variation on those….which I really haven’t heard before. I’m also, and this is still outside my reality, getting this:

    ‘oh how many girls have you said that to?’
    ‘…why can’t i look at the pics on your phone? Is it full of pics of you and other girls?! It is, isn’t it?!’
    ‘you’re such a player…I don’t go for that sort of thing (or some variation thereof)

    Number closed a 7, was really vibing with a 7.5 (until Nightly offended her 5.5 friend by joking saying she was bipolar….or something, idk)….managed to reach social hook point with two Swedish chicks — one of which I’m pretty sure had to have been top 3 in that club (I’d say like a 9). Also got yelled/AMOG’d out of a table purchased by some middle eastern rich people when I went in there to talk ‘more privately’ with a 6…lol — she invited me! ….And she was engaged! My focus has been on being less jokey and more on attempts to emotionally connect with the girl, and to not let her get away with bullshit answers to actual questions — in a non-butthurt, light way. (quite the tightrope to walk…like, you just can’t read this shit in a book….)

    —-

    Now, I’m reaching the social hookpoint in most of my sets. I’m also doing a lot more kino. The general rule seems to be to touch whenever you give a good feeling. I also think that shit tests are like….an opportunity to demonstrate different things. Like, for me…I think when a girl shit tests me…I need to show that I’m dominant and won’t take shit because she perceives the opposite of that because of my stature. So……I’m going to try and start using the same jokes and whatever, but I’m going to try really hard to deliver them like Don Draper would. With an edge.

    I’m also, like I said before, not going to give up on any set easily. Who knew…pickup/game builds character. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 10:11 am Man Reader

      damn you do seem to be getting better

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 10:22 am newlyaloof

      Scray, even the way you write hints to me that you are improving. I sense more calm and confidence in your words (regardless of what outcome your FRs show). You may not be able to see it, but I can.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 4:31 pm Scray

        Didn’t even see these two comments. Thanks for the words of encouragement. It really is becoming a thing like going to the gym. The more you do, the more you can do, and then the more you realize you need to do.

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    • on June 7, 2013 at 4:35 pm YaReally

      Props on doing a 30 day challenge. You’re in for a ride lol. Here we go:

      “I study them for a few seconds and conclude the guy isn’t with them (their body language, his body language, blah blah).”

      You can actually get really good at this. Most guys, especially newbies, just assume any guy with a girl MUST be her boyfriend who’s also secrety a professional MMA fighter who’s going to flip out and kill them the instant they dare say hello to her.

      “then the dude talks over me to the 6 and asks her what she does.”

      This is a classic AMOG move. The funny part is that they don’t have anything to get an emotional reaction out of her when they speak over you, so it’s like you’re robbing a bank with a machine gun and then they jump in front and try to steal the limelight except they’re holding a plastic toy handgun. All he does is fuck up your shit, but he isn’t good enough to TAKE your shit, so in the end everyone loses lol.

      I use this move a lot, just talking to the girl as if the AMOG isn’t there (even if he’s yelling right *AT* me, he just doesn’t exist to me, I keep my eyes laser locked on her and confident and talk like normal). The difference between me doing it and a random AFC doing it is that the shit I’m saying when I talk over him is a loaded emotional bazooka so for me it works.

      Often, if I don’t think the guy is a total dick but he was just being overprotective instinctively, I’ll make him feel awkward social pressure while I ignore him for a bit and spike both girls emotions through the roof so he’s stuck standing there quietly with no attention on him, juuuust long enough so that he knows I can fuck his shit up if I want to, and then I’ll back off and be like “no but seriously, how do you girls know my buddy here? He’s an awesome guy, you two need to talk, I’m kidnapping 6 here.” and from there on he’s my best buddy. It’s like I’m sub-communicating to him “don’t be a dick to me because I will crush you, let’s be friends instead.” and he’s so relieved that I didn’t crush him that he’s grateful and we become buddies.

      “if you and your friend aren’t gonna tell me what you do…I’m just gonna make something up”

      Self-amusement right here. You’re really good at making shit fun for yourself. I can’t find the video off-hand but Brad from RSD has one where he describes when he goes up to girls who are unreceptive he just keeps talking and will be like “Oh? You don’t want to talk? That’s cool, I like to listen to myself talk anyway because I’m so awesome. Anything I say is more interesting than anything you would say anyway.” and just keeps riffing until she cracks. Like his mindset is basically “oh, you don’t realize we’re having fun? That’s okay, I’ll give you a minute to figure that out. It’s cute that you would pretend not to be having fun with me. Let me know when you realize we’re having fun and we’ll resume from there. In the meantime I’m going to fuck around and make myself laugh. :)”

      “AGC: Nah, if they don’t want to tell…that’s cool, I mean — – (starts talking to the 7)”

      White Knight supplication, obviously. I would keep plowing like you lol My mindset in these situations is “we are at a bar, and NORMAL people socialize, so it’s weird that this girl wouldn’t socialize, especially because I’m awesome, so I’m going to tease her and/or scold her for being anti-social and retarded in a social environment.”

      “6: Psh….(pause…she decides to play along”

      ioi. You’ve started to 180 this girl who wanted nothing to do with you, simply by confidently plowing and just assuming that she’ll eventually like you. “Give me 10 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I’ll bed the queen of france” or whatever that quote is.

      “6: Psh….(pause…she decides to play along) she would never be a lion tamer, I would be….
      Me: She’s an incompetent lion tamer?! That’s kind of a mean thing to say about your friend
      6: No, I – –
      Me: I mean, christ…with friends like you. Whatever, I won’t tell her, it’ll be our secret.
      6: (blink blink)….huh, I….
      Me: (immediately turns to the 7 cutting off her convo with chode) Your FRIEND thinks you’re a shitty lion tamer
      7: (pauses, tilts head, laughs) what….”

      Holy shit, Scray. Fucking BEAUTIFUL. This is the kind of shit I do. This is you 1) self-amusing, 2) controlling the frame, 3) talking over her objections showing dominance, 4) teasing/role-playing, 5) pushing her through an emotional rollercoaster (“no!! I didn’t say that omg!!”), 5) involving the friend in the chaos, 6) dominating the entire set, etc.

      Fucking awesome man. This is the kind of stuff that makes the other guy fade into the background and become invisible to them. You can literally just walk off with both girls when you’re running game this solid.

      Awesome.

      “6: (smirks) We don’t have secrets anyway”

      Shit-test. Trying to make you feel like an outsider.

      “Me: Oh it’s gonna be like that, eh? (walks across group, puts arm around 7…looks at her) Hey, we’re best friends now. HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES, 6?”

      Shitting all over her test lol From here you could roleplay with 7 and create an “us VS 6” frame where you pretend to gossip about her and shit, depending on how receptive 7 is.

      Either way right now the other guy doesn’t exist. Follow the shiny object, girls.

      “6: (laughs…then, 7 tries to do that thing girls do where they talk to each other and exclude the guys….I’m sick of this shit happening; I end up snapping my fingers between them) WHAT. THE. FUCK? You are SO bad at this! Stop talking to her.
      7: (she turns back) Oh, sorry!”

      lol. A lot of guys would go “what?? You can DO that?!” This is similar to the frame I described that I have above where I’ll scold them for being anti-social. If I extend my hand and say my name and they hesitate, I’ll take their hand and put it in mind and go “This is where you say your name. I see this is your first time out in public, it’s okay, I will teach you how to be a normal friendly person so people don’t think you’re a bitch.” etc.

      One of my fav Tyler stories is when he learned how to get rid of fatties (starts at 11:40 in this vid):

      So a lot of good can come from being fed up with retarded behavior and calling them out on it lol

      “(AGC keeps trying to fuck my shit up by just saying logical shit ‘what are you talking about’ ‘what, they’re friends dude…’ He talks to the 6, motioning at me a few times)”

      This is what I’ll do to kill a set for a guy who I’m running interference for a buddy on. Like my friend wants his girl, so I’ll talk to him and get him into a logical boring conversation and the girls temperature dies down and then my buddy can spike it up and take her.

      He’s trying to tool you, but he’s not good enough.

      “….guess what, I have you figured out already.”

      Good, even if you’re bullshitting lol. Say *ANYTHING*, you can probably recover and it helps teach you to think on your feet.

      “Me: Ya….you’re like the kind of person who — almost always unwillingly — inspires a lot of passion in people.”

      Kind of gay. lol. But hey, better than nothing. If I have to do a random cold read, I like to use “I bet you intimidate most guys. You’re into them but they can’t keep up with you and you get bored.” This is true for like, everyone, guy and girl, lol

      “AGC starts talking to 7 again about how awesome he is at painting, art, blah blah blah blah….and he’s talking LOUD, trying to box me out…her eyes are glazing over, and I lightly tap her arm, then look at him and gesture with my thumb”

      lol. He’s just running weak-ass AFC game. This is your competition. Like, seriously lol Even some of your good-looking buddies run this kind of boring-ass game, if you pay attention to what they’re doing. This is why the jacked up guys in suits at the bar don’t worry me, they’re just not as interesting as I am.

      Also you’ve set a frame where the guy is the lowest value person in the group…you had 6 on the ropes, you befriended 7 and now you’re pointing out that the dude is her “follower”. All good stuff, even if some of it was sub-conscious/accidental.

      “Me: (steps a little closer when he turns attention back to the 6 for one second) See what I mean? (she snickers and turns more toward me….ahhh, social hookpoint reached, now it’s time to DHV….but then…_”

      Perfect. You’ve technically won this from that guy. This is where, if you’re feeling ballsy, you could do something like hold out your hand and when she takes it, just pull her through the group to be face to face with you and put her arms around your shoulders, yours around her waist, with her back facing the dude, and say some cold-read/teasing shit like “7. You’ve inspired ME now. I’m madly in love with you and I can tell you feel the same. I know, I know, you’re thinking “I didn’t say I love you”…but you did, 7. You said it…with your EYES.” Just super cheesy, it doesn’t matter really, the point is to just keep pumping her with an emotional rollercoaster and create that bubble where only you and her exist.

      “Then three more girls come in and swoop those two away”

      Booooo!!

      “but I didn’t let the 7 go easily.”

      Good. I’ve held onto a girls arm and had a tug-of-war with her friends while saying “say your number, I’ll remember it.” etc. It’s a hail-mary, but it’s better than letting her go and not having a # to try working on.

      “She’s like ‘I don’t even know you!’ ‘So…’”

      I usually use “Shhh, it’s fine. 555…?” Like, in my mind I won’t even give her a logical reason she should do it, it’s just no, this isn’t a problem. These are not the droids you’re looking for.

      “Don’t any of you worry — as of right now she’s a flake.”

      All good. Better to get the flakey number than to not go for it at all. If you run into her a month from now at the bar you can bust on her for ignoring your calls and tell her you were depressed all month dreaming about her and your wedding etc. etc. and tease her TO her friends who love you. Tons of ways to turn it around next time you see her.

      “Still, it seems like you gotta ask for the number (or try to go with them or keep them there if you can), if only to get smoother at executing the process.”

      Yep. Reference experiences to numb you to it. Remember in junior high? When asking for a girl’s phone number was *EPIC*. Rumors would go around school and you’d shit bricks picking up the phone to dial it, etc. It was like climbing mount olympus. That’s what a lot of guys in the bar are still like. You want to be the guy who’s like a club promoter or a socialite who’s just like “Ya, cool, gimme your # and I’ll hook you up and let you know where the party’s at next week.” like it’s the most normal casual thing inthe world. She feels what you feel.

      “I just thought that using the cold read there to AMOG was pretty cool.”

      It was. 😀

      “Could easily be the summer’s first lay…but I mean….meh, idk, maybe hold out for something better.”

      lol. You won’t regret that. You’re heading down a path where you’re going to do more than just “be able to get laid with shitty girls who let you fuck them”. What you’re doing is going to create a life where you can pick and choose the girls you ALLOW to fuck you. That’s why I’m not giving you shit like “dude you should’ve just stuck your dick in her!!! dumbass!!!!” Some guys, I’d recommend that for. But you’re a Thrill of the Hunt guy, you want the top shit (for whatever your reasons are, whether they’re deep like you deserve the best or shallow like you just want other guys to be jealous, fuck it, doesn’t matter). You don’t need to stick your dick in a 5. If you hit too long a dry spell and are just jonesin’, you CAN, but personally I’d rather get shot down by 9s and go home solo than bang an easy 5.

      “Me: Ya you are. Sing YMCA.”

      Setting a hoop/compliance test.

      “7.5: (laughing) Okay, well…you have to do the YMCA signs”

      Trying to set her own hoop. lol, this is what Mystery recommends doing. Guess where he backwards engineered it from. 😛

      “Me: I don’t have to do shit.”

      Shitting on her hoop. 🙂

      “Me: …. you guys look real stupid right now. (they laugh)”

      lol. Self-amusement and emotional rollercoaster. Good stuff. You’re instantly more fun than half the guys they’ll talk to all night.

      “Enter three tall, ripped, d00ds.”

      lol.

      “AMOG1: Who the fuck is this guy? Psh
      AMOG2: Yeah, I’ll have a cranberry vodka, fool”

      lol this is solid on their part. Some duo teamwork tooling shit.

      “AMOG3 gets in my space, looking down at me trying to intimidate me…I still smile”

      lol, just keep smiling, like it wouldn’t even enter into your head that there could be a fight. That’s not something that is even possible in your reality. Stronger frame wins. Most guys will square up when someone does this and that’s acknolwedging “I’m preparing for a possible fight” and surprise surprise they end up in a fight.

      “AMOG3: Nice to meet you to, and uh….I’m, just a weeeee bit taller than you”

      Doesn’t even really make sense, like what relevance is that. He’s just doing what girls who shit-test you do…when you won’t cave, they go for the jugular of what they think will be a sore spot for you and get to you, which for you is your height. A lot of short guys would get insecure/defensive at this.

      “when I try to shake his hand again he does the thing where he runs his hand through his hair instead”

      lol. Good AMOG on his part, as immature as it is.

      “I used to have a secret handshake just like that in 10th grade — did you guys have secret handshakes?”

      SOLLLLLLLID. Beautiful. This is similar to the classic “that’s a cool shirt bro, I had one like that in junior high” AMOG. You’re taking his tooling and turning it into something immature/silly, and then also turning it around onto the girls and ignoring the AMOGs, so it’s like he fed you the thing that allowed you to keep going on his girls lol This is SUPER frustrating to guys trying to get you away from their girls because they don’t know how to get rid of you because anything they throw at you, you turn into spiking their girls’ temperatures and getting more attraction…usually they’ll escalate to wanting to fight lol.

      “(to the girls — one of them covers her mouth with a snicker, holy shit…am I….am I sort of winning this?….now the guy is visibly pissed)”

      🙂

      “AMOG3: ….yeah, well when was that…25 years ago?!”

      lol. Aside from what a guy response this is, compare this to “Go get me a vodka cran, fool.” vodka cran was self-amusing and trying to force you to react to him. compare that to this, which is the guy reacting to YOU. Even if he’s insulting to you, girls don’t register that, what they register is that this little dude has her big tall studly guys reacting to him. Whoever reacts less has the higher value.

      Here, if you tried to defend your age etc. that would be you reacting to him, so you would lose the value. The way to handle this comment would be ignoring it completely or agreeing and amplifying (telling the girl it’s wrong for them to be so into an older man, that you’ll need viagra to fuck them etc…this is again taking what the AMOGs give you and using it to attract the girls lol)

      “but due to a total abundance of fagitude messed it up.”

      That and he’s not in state. He’s like you after a long day of work and first entering the bar where you’re like “aw man I’m just out of it and not feeling sharp yet” so his shit is gay. Meanwhile you’re a few sets in and having fun and in state, so you can just plow over him. But you could get plowed over by another guy who rolls up totally in-state and fun (picture a Stiffler from American Pie walking into your set).

      “AMOG3: …These are our girlfriends dude, step the fuck off.”

      lol this is probably true. They approached way too confidently/assertive and assuming attraction too much to just be tooling a random guy for random girls. Also guys tend to react angrily like this, escalating the threat, when they realize they can’t tool you away AND when they notice their girl’s temp is spiking for you…like that’s when you become an actual threat and they have to step it up because they aren’t socially savvy enough or high-value enough, to keep their girl.

      “7: No, no hey it’s okay…we were having fun, and…”

      She likes you enough to defend you.

      “Me: Nah, hey, I totally understand. It was nice meeting all of you. (I then make sure to shake all of the AMOG’s hands and just bounce)”

      Good stuff. Ya you didn’t fuck her, and cue the guys who will be like “whatever man you suck I would’ve taken those girls and made those guys my bitch” lol Reality is you handled yourself solid and exited the set with some attraction from the girls and without the guys beating the shit out of you, and made the guys insecure and react to you (little Scray is a threat getting attraction from girls who “belong” to big tall studly dudes). Good stuff. 🙂

      “7: Ya, there was a unicorn there, right?
      7.5: Oh I’m sure there was, Yeah WE MET BY THE UNICORN (puts a hand on my shoulders) Remember? You were the gayest one there…
      Me: …Oh hey that’s an okay story, I give it a 6 on a scale of 1-10”

      Oooo, you’ve just run into girls who think they’re funnier and cooler than everyone else there. I bet they were hipsters lol. These girls are fun to me, because I can keep up, but this shit will blindside most guys. Then the girls go home alone high-fiving eachother about how boring all the guys were.

      I knew a girl who went around the bar asking guys straight up “How fun are you on a scale of 1-10?” and when guys wouldn’t be too cocky and say 10 or ignore her test etc., she’d just walk away and was like “so I just spent the rest of the night alone because they were all boring”. She’s just full of herself and fucking around out of boredom. It takes a really in-your-face alpha guy to get these girls to settle down and chase…and it’s not necessarily worth the effort lol.

      “Me: I’m from Venus — I guess they mixed us up. (I think it’s a good joke, but it’s a little too much in the moment and it sails over their heads)”

      lol I got the joke. This is why I hate hitting on drunk girls, where they don’t get any of my witty shit.

      “Me: Oh that’s why you make up stories…(to the 7.5) let me see your glasses
      (7.5 smiles then complies)
      Me: (impersonation of the 7) Oooh look at me, I make up stories about being on Mars, blah blah blah, I’m so smart I’m an Eng-rish major….”

      This is solid. You’re not being phased by their retarded shit, and you’re kind of qualifying her like “ya, of course you’d make up silly shit, you’re an English major” as if you LIKE the thing that intimidates or annoys most guys. I’ll use stuff like this where a girl’s in my face while I hit on her friend and I’ll go “You’re very protective of your friends. I bet that annoys most of the guys she meets lol but those guys should just be more fun so you don’t have to keep shoo’ing them away to save your friend from boredom.”

      Also the impression of her is awesome lol. Again self-amusement, and not something they’ve ever run into.

      “7: Wow, be entertaining.
      7.5: Ya, you were so much fun a minute or two ago.”

      lol. There’s a lot to learn from interacting with this type of girl. You need a hella strong frame to handle them, and they will shit-test you relentlessly, and team up for it etc. It’s a good test of your frame/skills.

      “I realize too late that this entire thing is just a ninja insane shit test of epic proportions”

      Yep. 🙂 But “Fuck you.” isn’t a bad response…it’s how you handle the aftermath that counts, and you handled it right by just acting as if it didn’t happen and switching gears. VS getting into a situation where they’re bitching you out for being rude and you’re qualifying yourself saying “sorry I had a long day and I’m cranky, I didn’t mean it” blah blah

      “I’ve just come off as another yuk yuk queer giving them good vibes”

      This is the tough part with this type of personality and part of why while I don’t MIND them, I generally bail on them because it’s not worth the effort to me. This is what they do tho, is make guys fall into their frame and dance for them. The solution, of course, is to shit all over their frames, but it’s a lot of work and usually these girls aren’t even that hot lol. Like I say I usually find this personality in the hipster/emo/indie/scene girls who are convinced they’re all Zooey Deschanel.

      “Me: (smile, act as if it didn’t happen) Oh yeah, why an English major, why not Art, or biology, or whatever? (they snicker…)”

      Boring. 90/10 rule. You’re looking for them to contribue and be logical etc. with you, but you’re not past the hook point yet so they don’t want to do that.

      “7: Because I’m from Maaaaaaars….
      (both of them giggle at one another…..I’m confused as phuck….)”

      This is them going back to fucking around because your logical question started bringing their emotions back down to normal/bored. You want to go over the top, steamrolling them with emotional rollercoasters, all the way to the bedroom…VS pulling them down into comfort/rapport.

      “At the next opportunity, I bail….and I immediately regret it. I need to learn to take myself more seriously, but also….I just vow that from now on I ain’t ejecting until I’ve tried everything possible”

      lol I don’t blame you. This type of girl is a really particular type. Generally they’re not looking for hooking up with randoms anyway, they fuck the guys in some shitty band in their social circle because they think they’re too smart/clever for every random guy they meet. usually they have a SHITLOAD of beta orbiters that feed into this. In reality, they’re being socially retarded, and don’t know when to turn off the “I’m from Mars” shit and actually communicate with other people…but they will never ever view it that way.

      “Me: Hey, don’t be rude…(I say this with a smile…she turns and gives me a dirty look, then turns away again)”

      lol good stuff. Again this is that scolding her for being socially awkward. You’re not butthurt angry you’re just like legitimately “you are behaving weird, don’t be weird” as if no one has ever backturned you before and you can’t comprehend that someone wouldn’t want to meet you.

      “7 yanks the menu away from me. hahahaha.
      Me: (to the 5) your friend is something, huh?”

      Good, this is like saying “Is she always like this?” When you can’t get to her directly, you go through her friends and get them to get her to fall in line with social pressure.

      “7 whirls around, arms folded
      7: Oh, do they just fall at your feet with all of that talk? Newsflash, I’m not like other girls….”

      oooooooooooo I love this. I could fuck her off this. lol

      “I can practically feel the emotions come off of her now….and I’m actually just flabbergasted. It feels like a window of opportunity just opened.”

      Yep. 🙂 This is the kind of girl I would end up in an “I fucking hate you.” “I fucking hate you TOO” back and forth right before we make out. The sex would be intense.

      “Annnnnd….I just stand there, blinking…”

      lol damn! Ah well, at least you didn’t leave when she backturned you at the start. You did almost turn this around. 🙂

      “I felt really good about that set….because I feel like I could have turned it around. Something about what I did seems like the right way to do it.”

      Yep. You held your frame. Most guys can’t do that with her. She’s like the girls who will just stand and stare at a guy in silence for the first minute when they approach her…she wants to see if he’ll cave and panic or if he’ll just hold his frame and be awesome. And she WANTS them to hold their frame because that’s attractive, but 99% of guys will falter.

      You just didn’t take things forward once the window was open because it blindsided you that it even COULD open like that. Next time you’ll get further lol

      “hard eye contact, a slight smirk, awesome body posture ‘you don’t tell me what to do.’”

      lol. Solid.

      “And so the great shit-test avalanche of 2013 began…I mean, we were STARING INTO ONE ANOTHER’S EYES during this entire exchange, keep in mind.”

      🙂 Guys who don’t go out and approach won’t be able to relate to what you’re describing here, but I loooove these kinds of interactions. These are the most intense sexually charged interactions ever. This is the type of chemistry I screen for with girls…so when I run into one where we have this “back and forth”, I’m extremely attracted.

      “Her: Oh I think I do, what are you 4’10”

      Shit-test.

      “Me: 6’8, I’m just really far away”

      Perfectly passing it.

      “Her: I bet your dick’s really “far away” too (lol)”

      lol awesome. A lot of guys would get butt-hurt by stuff like this, but it’s her way of seeing if you can keep up with her and go back-and-forth. She would get bored of you if you couldn’t handle this and laugh and come back at her.

      “Me: Ya it’s like a wet baby carrot”

      Perfect. This is an oldschool Tyler line, and I use it all the time. I have no idea why it gets the reaction it does, but every girl shits a brick at this. Maybho lol

      “Her: (she snickers…) Ya my ex-boyfriend’s was huge…so we’re going to have a problem.”

      More relentless shit-testing.

      “Me: Thanks for the health report regarding your vag.”

      Solid, not playing into her frame and tooling her playfully, and keeping the conversation sexual. These are the reports where people who don’t go out and can’t think on their feet etc. will think you’re just making shit up because it sounds like a movie script etc. But when you’re in the zone and you run into a girl with that type of chemistry, this stuff just flows. It’s a rush.

      “Her: (another snicker…but she like, seems to be annoyed by the fact that she snickered….you have to see this shit to believe it)”

      lol. She IS annoyed by it. This is where I’ll say stuff like “God it must piss you off how much you love me. It’s okay, I hate that I like you too. Not as much as you like me, obviously, because I’m better as human being in general, but you know, I’m willing to teach you how to be as awesome as I am” etc.

      “Me: Oh gee, she likes me…”

      Good. Calling her out on her accidental ioi, tells her you “get it” too, and aren’t butt-hurt like some guys would be. You’re basically sub-communicating with her…this is that thing where someone listening to your logical words would think you two hated eachother, but you’re having a totally separate dual conversation with your sub-communications. This should FEEL very different from other sets where you’re having a surface level interaction.
      This is the stuff that’s hard to explain in text to guys who don’t go out, you have to see experience and feel this to get it.

      “Her: (she shakes her head, still smiling) No, I don’t. Your watch is just douchey…”

      She loves that you caught her out, and now she’s just saying illogical shit to keep shit-testing you because this is SUPER FUCKING FUN for her, because 99% of guys she meets can’t interact with her on this level.

      “Me: Thanks”

      Assuming her shit-test is a compliment. Good stuff. BUT, while you’ve been running awesome stuff here, this is where I’m gonna give you some advice, because I know these kinds of girls well because this is the kind I actively look for (there are no girls in my harem who I don’t have this kind of “I hate that I like you :)” chemistry with, I actively screen for it).

      On a personal note, before I got into pickup I actually thought I wanted a shy quiet submissive girl. It took me a few relationships and a meeting a lot of girls and hooking up etc. to learn that I actually get bored of those kinds of girls…I *NEED* a girl who can go back and forth with me and shit-test and we have that chemistry and cause a scene together where people around us are like “those two are crazy, one minute they sound like they hate eachother, now they’re fucking eachother on the pool table!!” My brain/emotions/etc. crave this kind of interaction. I had *NO* idea when I was an AFC, and if I had met and married a shy quiet submissive girl, I would’ve been bored with her down the road and not understood why I was so attracted to my secretary who’s all up in my grill etc. and ended up cheating.

      Anyway, so here is where you start dropping the ball. You start letting her take the lead. “Thanks. ………..” Letting her lead, instead of “Thanks. I wear a shiny watch (doesn’t matter if it’s shiny) to distract ditzy girls at the bar. Careful, you’re falling into my trap. I’m glad you’re not one of those smart girls who would be too intelligent to fall for all my scheming.” (usually a girl will do her ditzy girl impression here and I’ll bust on it etc.)

      But because you let her lead, she starts to kill things for you:

      “Her:…and I don’t even know what you’re trying to accomplish here”

      Not dead yet, but she’s trying to stomp out the little fire you started up, because she knows if she lets it get out of hand she’ll fuck you. This is why girls pull their friends away “to go to the bathroom” when you spike them out of control, because they know “omg I have to get her away from this guy and let her calm down or she’ll fuck him and we totally promised eachother we wouldn’t fuck any guys tonight!!” lol

      That’s why she isn’t asking you about yourself, she’s trying to fuck you up and get you to do something where she can lower her temperature.
      This is also partly because of her personality/vibe, where she’s roleplaying that she hates you.

      The way to handle this is to keep steamrolling forward, assuming she loves you and you two will hook up. This can take some solid verbals, but you HAVE solid verbals. 🙂

      “Me: ……victory?”

      Not TERRIBLE…..but again notice that you’re now in her frame and you’re letting her take the lead. Compare that to something like “Victory, of course. I’m like halfway into your pants right now. Quite frankly I think you should up your standards a little, you must not have had sex in MONTHS to want to jump my bones this quick. I understand, not many guys can put up with you, but you’re in luck tonight because I have low standards too. We’re perfect for eachother.” Something like that keeps taking the lead/frame and forces her to react to me.

      “Her: Victory…..you? (like a dog with a fucking bone, man….)”

      She won’t take it toward sex, but you’ve stopped taking it toward sex, so the interaction is going to die out.

      “Me: …yeah (faltering)”

      Again, letting her lead. Compare that to “I don’t know if it’s a “victory” per say yet…you might be shitty in bed. I bet you just lay there like a starfish. That’s what I read on the wall in the men’s room anyway. Of course I’m the one that wrote it.” Like again, I’m just plowing things forward and still keeping it sexual and still assuming we’re going to fuck and still forcing her to react to me because I’m in-your-face enough and just playfully offensive enough that she has to react. I am basically relentlessly pushing forward, like I recently wrote that I do with my txting.

      “Her: Does this ever even work for you? (she’s getting to me, I’m getting fried here….I’m very confused — we haven’t broken eye contact)”

      Intense, hey? The eye-contact thing is a huge part of this. Like, this is where there’s a bubble where no one else in the world exists. It’s just a spotlight on you two on a darkened stage. I love this shit.

      “Me: Jesus christ….just be nice. (I avert my gaze a bit…..she laughs but, it’s not a good one. everything eases back to normal………”

      Toast. lol. But MASSIVE props for being able to keep up with her for as long as you did. You did awesome, you just didn’t know where to take it because you probably haven’t run into this kind of interaction very much (a lot of your stuff is you self-amusing and tooling girls but them being deers in the headlights and not being able to keep up with you, let alone one-up you).

      “I’m frustrated, I ask for the number a few minutes later….she ‘doesn’t give it out to anyone.’ :*(.”

      lol…she DOES. Just not to YOU, because you faltered and didn’t lead the interaction toward the goal. The second you falter, she sniffs out who you are and was impressed but you don’t quite make the cut for her. It’s all good, in time you’ll eat girls like this (out) for breakfast. 😉

      This kind of thing is where the guys who are like “whatever man that pickup shit is gay you just go manhandle shit-faced girls who’d fuck ANYONE” are retarded. None of them would have a shot with a girl who tests like this, and she’s not shit-faced if she’s still witty like that. Like I say, I actively avoid drunk easy girls. But guys who don’t go out or are anti-game don’t get that.

      “For whatever reason, interacting with hot girls — good bad, whatever — has started to fuel my confidence.”

      Yep. Reference experience that you can interact with them and even if it doesn’t go well, the world won’t *END*, which is what most guys picture will happen if they dare say hello. So your brain is realizing “shit, this isn’t that big a deal.” This’ll enhance over your 30 day challenge, and it’s why I encourage you to go for the hot girls, because for you, as a short guy who will get bonus points for approaching girls you “shouldn’t” be able to get, and as a Thrill of the Hunt guy who needs hot girls to be satisfied…there’s no reason for you to be working your way up to hot girls. Jump right the fuck in there, because you will be able to handle it compared to a lot of guys. Even some of your tall good-looking alpha buddies can’t cold-approach the 7+s in the bar.

      “with hot girls…especially after I do something bold or cool
      ‘how tall are you?’
      ‘too bad you’re so short’”

      They’re shit-testing you because you’re confident now (in how smooth you sat down with them) and they want to see if that confidence is a paper-tiger front or if you’re legit and congruent thru and thru…so they go for the jugular, your height, and try to shit-test you on it to see how you react. They *WANT* you to NOT be phased by their tests…they’d DYING for you to be cool and confident enough to not get butt-hurt. Most guys will get butt-hurt and they go “aw man, another one of those guys…he seemed cool when he sat down all smooth, but that was just an act he’s not REALLY cool… :(”

      They wouldn’t shit-test you if they weren’t attracted…that’s why they do it after you do something bold/cool. They get an emotional attraction spike and then have to test to make sure they’re not getting attracted to a loser. If you were a smelly homeless person they wouldn’t say “too bad you’re short” they’d say “get the fuck out of here, SECURITY!!!!”

      “I’m also, and this is still outside my reality, getting this:

      ‘oh how many girls have you said that to?’
      ‘…why can’t i look at the pics on your phone? Is it full of pics of you and other girls?! It is, isn’t it?!’
      ‘you’re such a player…I don’t go for that sort of thing (or some variation thereof)”

      🙂 I smiled reading this. Welcome to Phase…I don’t know, 3 or some shit lol There’s no label for it but we all go through it. This is an indicator that you’re now starting to become congruent to what you’re portraying…ie – you are starting to “make it” after “faking it” long enough. Your sub-communications and attitudes and confidence and social skills are starting to click into place and align with the image of “a guy who gets laid a lot” and they’re picking up on it.

      So they’re shit-testing you on it, but they’re shit-testing you because they get the vibe that you ARE that kind of guy and that you can handle this stuff, and that you interact with women like them all the time and have success with them and are a player etc.

      Down the road this can cause you problems and you become too much of a player vibe and you have to start pulling back and adding more comfort/rapport and self-depreciation, but that’s way down the road so don’t worry about it yet. It might not even happen, but if it does, you know it because you’ll be going “fuck, girls don’t trust me!!!” and there are ways to fix that and again it’s a common phase lots of us went thru. 🙂

      But ya, so this is a good sign. Could you imagine a girl saying “is it full of pics of you and other girls?! it is, isn’t it!!” to Old Scray? The Scray that wrote those first few field reports? That had a 6 backturn him on the dance floor and he shuffled off? The Scray that was invisible in groups and the little brother sad pity case of the group? Fuck no. You’re changing man, and I’m proud of ya ’cause you’ve earned it by putting in the hard work to get here.

      Any guy in this comment section who doesn’t go out but wishes he was better at game, should be reading every fucking FR you put out and using them as inspiration to get off their ass and get out there and work on their skills and push themselves the way you have. The sad part is half of them are probably better looking, taller, richer, etc. than you, but they’ll still sit here reading your reports as you rock this stuff and tell themselves “well sure he can do it, but I couldn’t do that…that’s not ME…”

      “Number closed a 7, was really vibing with a 7.5 (until Nightly offended her 5.5 friend by joking saying she was bipolar….or something, idk)….managed to reach social hook point with two Swedish chicks — one of which I’m pretty sure had to have been top 3 in that club (I’d say like a 9). Also got yelled/AMOG’d out of a table purchased by some middle eastern rich people when I went in there to talk ‘more privately’ with a 6…lol — she invited me! ….And she was engaged!”

      lol…remember when you didn’t have any stories to tell? Well now you fucking do. You have stories that other guys will never have. 🙂 The guys I used to work with would ask me for stories at the office every Monday because they were going home to their fat boring wives and their mundane life and they’d get to live vicariously through my adventures even if they made fun of me for it (“oh you’re such a bar star dude”) you could tell they loved it.

      “My focus has been on being less jokey and more on attempts to emotionally connect with the girl, and to not let her get away with bullshit answers to actual questions — in a non-butthurt, light way. (quite the tightrope to walk…like, you just can’t read this shit in a book….)”

      Good. Perfect. It’s the pendulum…you have to swing from “normal/boring” into “dancing monkey” territory and cross that line and experience it to then pull back a bit toward comfort/rapport and being a dominant authority non-dancing monkey, and then you’ll probably take that a bit too far too, and the pendulum will swing back and eventually you’ll figure out your sweet spot. It’s different for every guy…some guys do good futher on the dancing monkey side of things (picture a Stiffler type) and some guys do good futher on the serious/intense side (picture a Johnny Depp). You’ll figure out what works for you. 🙂

      “Now, I’m reaching the social hookpoint in most of my sets.”

      Excellent.

      “I’m also doing a lot more kino.”

      Good stuff! Here’s a quick vid for ya from RSD Todd about being decisive:

      Like as you experiment with kino and being authoritative and being funny etc. I actually DON’T kino much, but I do it decisively…I don’t kino until she’s earned it and I have tight verbals so I can escalate sexually through my verbals (innuendo, sexual topics, etc.) and don’t need the kino till later on. Same time, I’ve experimented with going full kino right off the bat hardcore and that works too…it just comes down to not half-assing it, as Todd describes.

      “I also think that shit tests are like….an opportunity to demonstrate different things.”

      Yep. Like I say, pickup is about displaying your personality to her in the most efficient way possible. Whether that’s DHVs, social proof, teasing, etc. the main thing is expressing yourself and showing her who you congruently are. A shit-test is a chance to display your personality, so I love them.

      She might say “You’re short” to 200 short guys. But you’re the ONLY one who will say “I’m 6’8″, I’m just far away.” without missing a beat. She might backturn 200 guys but you’re the only one who will say “Hey, don’t be rude.” That’s you, that’s Scray, being Scray and showing her who Scray is. She might say “You’re an asshole.” to 200 guys, but I’m the only one who will say “You’re just saying that because I’m staring at your tits.” She might say “You’re too old for me…” to 200 older guys but I’m the only one who will say “Don’t worry, I popped like 3 Viagras tonight.”
      That’s me, demonstrating who I am to her.

      Maybe she’ll like me, maybe she won’t, I can’t control that. But I can know that if she’s into me it’s because she’s into ME, and if she rejects me it’s because we weren’t right for eachother so no big deal, at least she rejected me for me and not because I put on the wrong facade trying to impress her.
      Not every girl has to like me, that’s fine, but most of them will respect me for putting myself out there even if they don’t want to fuck me.

      “I think when a girl shit tests me…I need to show that I’m dominant and won’t take shit because she perceives the opposite of that because of my stature.”

      Yep. This comes back to tall vS short. A girl likes a tall guy because height is an easy indicator that “probably this guy is dominant, because he’s tall and used to dominating people around him”, even if that’s not ACTUALLY true of the guy. It’s like if you want a girl who’s good in bed, and you see a slutty looking girl in a short skirt with tits pushed up, you’d think “that girl is probably good in bed!” because it’s an easy indicator to go by, even tho it, again, might not actually be true of that girl.

      So the reason girls go for tall guys is because their height indicates alpha traits like dominance, leadership, handling peacocking social pressure (since they always stand out), etc. So as a short girl, you want to demonstrate those same alpha traits, but you can’t do it through your height, you have to do it through your personality…so she shit-tests you and you dominate her and she goes “woah, I wasn’t expecting this guy to be a dominant alpha, he’s short!! Holy shit I stumbled on gold here!!”

      “So……I’m going to try and start using the same jokes and whatever, but I’m going to try really hard to deliver them like Don Draper would. With an edge.”

      All good, keep doing what you’re doing, and just add in a zero tolerance policy for bullshit, like you’ve been building up. Like “Don’t be rude.” and making fun when they won’t tell you their work, and scolding them with a “Fuck you.” when they try to get you be a dancing monkey, and “I’m not doing shit” when they get you to do YMCA and “you don’t order me around”, etc. but without being butt-hurt…just being stern and dominant and not taking bullshit.

      At the same time, be able to go “HEY. Quit being retarded. (stern/dominant/breaking-rapport tonality) (she goes deer in the headlights like omg he got pissed woah!!) I bet you intimidate most guys hey? lol You seem like the type that would smack a guy around…and make him like it. 😉 (pulling back into happy land)”. That kind of thing is giving her a rollercoaster of emotions…she goes from fun to scared then to relieved then back to fun, etc. That’s making her feel /\/\/\/\/ instead of a flatline ——– of boredom like most guys talking about how good they are at painting and telling her she doesn’t have to answer if she doesn’t want to.

      “I’m also, like I said before, not going to give up on any set easily.”

      Good stuff. Plow that shit, burn it to the ground. It’s all reference experiences, and you’ll grow your skills FAST with that attitude compared to the guys who “prematurely ejectulate” and bail the second the girl isn’t 100% receptive to them.

      Props again man, looking forward to reading about your 30 day challenge! 🙂

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      • on June 7, 2013 at 5:26 pm Scray

        ‘I bet they were hipsters lol.’

        See. This is how I know you’ve actually been out there in the shit. I didn’t really say anything about them, but you already knew. As hipster as it got, for sure.

        ‘lol…she DOES. Just not to YOU,’

        I KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. 😀 /brbslittingwrists

        Seriously appreciate the breakdown, though. Thanks, I’m gonna start putting it to use tonight.

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  19. on June 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm Scray

    Ha, while I wait for one of my long FR’s to post….I’ll comment on OP. I’ve always hated The Great Gatsby. Even in 10th grade AP English it was stupid. I LIT’RULLY raised my hand almost every day with some variation of ‘ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS….?’ To me, the protagonist is just so unlikable and lame.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 10:36 am newlyaloof

      P.S. Scray, you ever do day game? Your FRs always mention clubs, so I’m curious. I just want through Krauser’s whole archive (Dude’s no joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mpYWQRpxzQs )and he mentioned how he is better suited for day game. Just curious.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 11:56 am Scray

        Not really, beyond being more talkative in general than I was 5 months ago. But I’m pretty sure I’ll switch it up during this summer for a bit.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 12:07 pm newlyaloof

        Girls tend to be less in “diss this dude” mode during the day. In the club, all that shit comes out strong.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 4:20 pm Scray

        Yeah from what I gather it’s a little slower paced. I should probably give it a go

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  20. on June 2, 2013 at 2:53 pm Diogenes the Cynic

    It was interesting while having a conversation with a Russian friend of mine, I realized that in the middle grades in the United States while our students are reading To Kill A Mockingbird, The Great Gatsby, and The Catcher in the Rye, the equivalent Russian grade is reading Dostoyevsky’s Demons, Platonov’s Foundation Pit, and Lermontov’s Hero of Our Time, among many others. I’d prefer the Russian PSYOPs to the American PSYOPs.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm Greg Eliot

      Comment of the month contender… especially the Mockingbird and Catcher observation in re PSYOPs.

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  21. on June 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm Greg Eliot

    @ n/a

    That might have been the way Papa Hemingway embellished the tale… but I have it on good authority it actually went down like this, in his usual “telegraph” style laconic prose:

    “You want me to look at what? You fairy.”

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm n/a

      Papa Hemingway, Baby Mamet. 😉

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 5:44 pm Greg Eliot

        Touche’!

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  22. on June 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm LionSoul

    “So people are challenging you? Congratulations, you are no longer invisible, and you are now doing what men do: compete, fight and (eventually) fuck.”

    Wise words. Learned this from first hand experience in my career/life. If you don’t have haters, you’re not doing it right. Challenges and what we do with them ultimately make us the man we are.

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  23. on June 2, 2013 at 3:35 pm thwack

    older people have a vested interest in keeping younger people ignorant.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 5:37 pm Greg Eliot

      C’mon thwack… never known you to be that nihilistic.

      Say what you want about Off Their Rockers… at least pranking is an ethos.

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      • on June 2, 2013 at 6:38 pm thwack

        For example, if black parents told their children the truth about black people, the parents would lose credability in the eyes of their children. Without the help of white people, black people produce very little of constructive value.

        We don’t like the truth.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 10:33 am Greg Eliot

        Well, if your initial statement was meant universally, but solely for the black community, I’ll have to bow to your superior experience in that realm. 😉

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 3:53 pm thwack

        You ever notice how during black history month, the black people showcased as “famous” are black people who do things white people do all the time?

        Astronaut, chemist, brain surgeon, PRESIDENT… its as if the achievement is to get around YT and his system of mistreatment based on color; why don’t we call it that?

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 11:40 am Patriarch

        White people create.
        Black animals destroy.
        Yin and yang,
        Kin and gang.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 5:55 am Eugen

        Dude, white animals destroy. Black animals beat their chests and rap about bitches. 🙂

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  24. on June 2, 2013 at 5:22 pm n/a

    Re the “wanton” tweet: female sexuality is hilariously depraved, and that by nature, but this will be revealed if and only if the spark is blown to fire by the breath of exactly the right man.

    Most men never feel that heat and most women are only confusedly aware of it.

    Women will kill and die for a man that gives them that burn. It all ends in a sweet animal ugliness that most good men are too pure of heart to ever truly enjoy.–

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 5:35 pm Greg Eliot

      I’m starting to like the cut of this guy’s jib.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 12:14 am gunslingergregi

      its gets fucking scary sometimes

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  25. on June 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm She Wants The D

    This should be posted on the Love-Shy forums. Their wails and anguish sustain me.

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  26. on June 2, 2013 at 5:24 pm Rum

    My dick hurts – but it is not her fault; I am the one who caused her to lose control of her own body. It happens.

    Independent Currency Reserve Banks have a pretty good record of creating and maintaining investor confidence. I mean, getting smart people to loan tons of money at ZERO percent interest is not a good example of failure.
    The longer term problem is that this type of system tends to work perfectly right up to the time it doesn’t.
    Some people will float to the top and many more will drown.
    Sames as it ever was.

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  27. on June 2, 2013 at 6:17 pm YaReally

    CH: Fucking beautiful comment to highlight. I just skimmed over it quickly in the original comment thread and didn’t realize it was so solid or I would’ve given the author massive props on it.

    “and the first stage for people like you (…) is just a massive shit test from the world as it tells you to sit the fuck down and go back to being a loser, and you tell it to go home and fuck its mother.”

    Goddamn right. This is why you have to hit rock-bottom before you can really throw yourself into game and change your life. Your day to day life and vision of your future has to be so painful and bleak that you will push thru this first stage because you are so dissatisfied with your life that you feel like you have no choice except to keep pushing forward even when it feels like the entire world is against you. Eventually you’ll break thru to the other side and realize that the world was just shit-testing you to make sure you REALLY wanted to turn your life around…and once you weather the storm and push thru, you’ll find the world gives in and starts accepting you and, in fact, HELPING you plow forward toward your goals.

    If you look back at Scray’s first few Field Reports on here, you can see him go from being invisible and ignored (not DISLIKED, just insignificant), to being on people’s radar and getting tested and running into people trying to shove him back into his “proper” place…and in his FRs now, you can see how he’s overcome that and actually looks at “you shouldn’t be like that you should be how I tell you to be” as a CHALLENGE to take on and shit all over, in defiance of people’s arrogant expectation that he should allow other people to determine who he is or who he’s allowed to be.

    luckypua – I’ll email ya this week, sorry! Swamped with work right now. Awesome work on the archive!

    Scray – skimmed this latest FR, great stuff I’ll give it a breakdown soon as I can. Good luck on your 30 day challenge, props for giving it a go! There are side-benefits in doing it that you won’t expect but that I look forward to seeing you discover. 🙂

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    • on June 4, 2013 at 4:18 pm Scray

      Thanks!

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  28. on June 2, 2013 at 6:25 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

    Previously, I thought GBFM was a nut case. Now I realize he is CH’s James Joyce. You have to read him like Finagans Wake, or Ulysses.

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    • on June 2, 2013 at 6:32 pm Greg Eliot

      I don’t mind reading GBFM… I’ll even give a tip o’ the tam-o-shanter to Joyce.

      But if anyone brings up Pynchon… I’m splitting.

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      • on June 5, 2013 at 4:48 pm Glengarry

        We Await Silent Tristero’s Empire.

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  29. on June 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm Rum

    Romeo + Juliet
    Anthony+ Cleopatra
    Cylde + Bonny
    Rum + Lost Count…

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 12:15 am gunslingergregi

      there can always be another love I thinks

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    • on June 6, 2013 at 7:38 am Social Cream

      Lust Cunt

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  30. on June 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm tspark156

    I’m pissed as a cunt

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  31. on June 2, 2013 at 7:24 pm james1213

    The film might have made Gatsby out to be some beta-male obsessive loser but there’s much more to Fitzgerald’s classic novel than that. Gatsby’s real obsession is with the American dream: the idea that a man can escape social class limitations of the old world and become who he wants to be in America. Gatsby lived his life according to the American dream.

    Gatsby detested poverty, he was obsessed with the lives of the rich upper-class families. So he worked to get it all: the king’s palace, the king’s money, the king’s social circle and the king’s big bright yellow car. The final piece of the puzzle for him was Daisy: the king’s girl. The novel is about the myth of the American dream and how, despite it all, Gatsby could never escape his social class. Tom and Daisy made the mess, then they retreated back into their money and palaces. Whereas Gatsby, Wilson and Myrtle – all trying to make something of themselves – died.

    The Gatsby of the film was no doubt an obsessive, altar worshiping, loser. But Fitzgerald’s novel was a masterpiece.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 10:31 am Greg Eliot

      I hear what you’re saying, and as far as it goes, it’s true enough.

      But that’s the point, isn’t it? A very uninspiring, borderline nihilistic sort of message… foremost because one can never truly sympathize with the title character’s mental and emotional issues.

      There really is no sense of actual tug-at-the-heartstrings tragedy at the end… hence no true masterpiece. I’d argue Tender Is The Night is more deserving of that sort of praise.

      Try on John Gardner’s On Moral Fiction for size.

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 4:58 pm james1213

        Well it’s not really intended as a tragedy. At the core of it, it is Fitzgerald’s criticism of the changing social climate of the time just after the first world war.

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      • on June 6, 2013 at 8:54 am Jim

        Haha it’s funny all the people hating on Gatsby. Every person on this forum is Gatsby: living in hopes that the next day will be better, the next moment will make you happier than you are now. “Woo, I took a new job.” – Shit, it’s no better. “Woo, I banged a hot girl.” – Shit, that hasn’t changed anything either. “Woo, I am alpha.” – Shit, my core being is the same as it was at birth.

        Self-proclaimed alphas: take a look in the mirror. You’re all going to die exactly the same way Gatsby died, you just don’t realize it yet.

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  32. on June 2, 2013 at 7:31 pm Bucho

    “Don’t ever deliver an ultimatum to a woman to declare her love during a heated moment. Such a move reeks of needy desperation.”

    I thought of a manager at work when I read this comment. He once recounted how, back in his mid-20s, he had a heated argument with his now-wife. He said that he drove over to her place to ask her to marry her, hoping she would say no, thus he could move on with his life. However, when he popped the question, she said yes. And so it goes….

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  33. on June 2, 2013 at 9:54 pm Ruxman

    If they want it bad enough, they’ll search for it in google, eventually they’ll stumble across sites like this one.

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  34. on June 2, 2013 at 11:44 pm Anonymous

    caves are for cowards, some general once said.

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  35. on June 3, 2013 at 12:36 am Gil

    The final paragraph is probably right. Omegas and lesser-Betas are low-T men who as you pointed out don’t probably feel the strong sexual urges of successful men to force them be pro-active with women.

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  36. on June 3, 2013 at 1:32 am Mike.a

    I actually think that a good discussion about the Great Gatsby is quite appropriate at this forum. After all isn’t Gatsby a great example of the beta in alpha’s clothing that CH from time to time talks about (remember his analysis of General Petraeous). one of the reasons people do find the story a bit boring is that we simply dont traditionally discuss the work in terms of alpha/betas and red pill/blue pill. School essay question: “by the end of the book Nick Carraway has taken the red pill: agree or disagree: discuss”.

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  37. on June 3, 2013 at 4:30 am Arturo

    As always, fantastic postery from the Great One, CH.

    Me Lord le Château, and yee of his minionians, I ask yee this :

    What thinketh thou allst of the pretty little thing in this vid, and her message, Eh? :

    – Arturo

    crimesofthetimes dot calm

    New Orleans

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  38. on June 3, 2013 at 4:43 am Arturo de Gheaube

    Another great postation from the Great One, the eminent CH.

    I wanted to get the Castle’s take, and the taketh of his minionians, on this video :

    So good even the New York Times Magazine talked about it today Sunday. \\

    Pleaseth if you willeth, submitteth your taketh on this chick.

    Voted in liketh the top five best songs of the year. I shitteth thee not, -eth.

    As always gratefulleth, and sincerethylous,

    – Arturo

    crimes of the Times dot calmous

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  39. on June 3, 2013 at 7:52 am Beta Spotting #1 | newlyaloof

    […] was at Chipotle yesterday and I’m in line behind a man and his son. The dude looks like a docile herb, but on the higher end of the scale. He’s quiet and his, say, 7-year-old son is next to him […]

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  40. on June 3, 2013 at 8:39 am Troubadour

    Maybe that, at the root of it, is the problem with omega males and some beta males: Their desire is weak. And their weak desire makes it easier for them to indulge self-doubt.

    I think you hit on the head. I remember the discussion you quoted, and I could have been that “genetic garbage” guy not so long ago. What changed it all for me was a teenage whore who came out of nowhere one night and kissed me. I resisted fucking her for a lot of reasons, many of them good reasons, but she awakened something in me that had been dead for a very long time.

    I WANT that. I don’t want to pay for a bullshit fantasy, I want it for real. How can some drug addicted train wreck kiss me and make me feel like a man when the big fat unhygienic warpig I’ve been shagging for 20 years just makes me feel like shit about myself?

    How do I get it? HOW? So here I am. I work at this every single day. I don’t know how much longer it will be before I finally seduce a cute girl, but I will. I expect it will get easier after that.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 10:20 am Greg Eliot

      A poignant anecdote… and an admirable attitude-cum-goal.

      Well-done.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 11:11 am corvinus

      I WANT that. I don’t want to pay for a bullshit fantasy, I want it for real. How can some drug addicted train wreck kiss me and make me feel like a man when the big fat unhygienic warpig I’ve been shagging for 20 years just makes me feel like shit about myself?

      Hahahaha… dude… of course you wouldn’t want women if all you had was warpork to eat.

      Congratulations. I was afraid after reading “man reader” and a bunch of other “don’t get it and aren’t even trying” omegas posting, that I and Scray were the only recovering betas who actually want to become alpha.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 9:05 am Troubadour

        I was afraid… that I and Scray were the only recovering betas who actually want to become alpha.

        I guess the truth is I don’t so much want to become alpha as it’s the only chance I have to get what I want. I want to be in love and give my princess flowers and slay dragons for her, but even though I want that, why the hell should I bust my ass to pay for the charming Troubadour’s kids?

        Right. Thank you red pill.

        It makes a lot more sense to BE the Troubadour, doesn’t it? Smirk.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 8:24 pm Patriarch

      Troubadour.
      The fact that you’ve felt the other side is a good start. The way that girl made you feel is how you’re supposed to feel, assuming you go out there and take it. The question is, how bad do you want it? You want it bad enough to hit the weights everytime your muscles aren’t sore from the previous breakdown? Bad enough to stop eating a carb based diet? Bad enough to get shot down hundreds of times in a row? At the end of the day it’s just a decision. No smoking. No soft drinks. Sugar doesn’t exist to you anymore. You get your kicks from another set of chemicals from now on. I was where you were, fucking a walrus because I didn’t believe I could do better. Dedication man, dedication.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 7:43 am Troubadour

        The question is, how bad do you want it? …Bad enough to get shot down hundreds of times in a row?

        That does happen to be where I’m stuck. I work 70 hours a week on night shift, and the job isn’t going anywhere, so I have to work around it. I get one day a week to go out. I went out tonight, but couldn’t force myself to approach anyone.

        I’m aware that this voice in my head gets louder the closer I get to doing the right thing, but my fear of rejection is crippling and overpowering. I flake more often than not, and in eight months of being dedicated to this, I’ve only managed to approach twice.

        I’ve come a long way, but I have a long, long way to go.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 7:54 am Divorced Dad who can't find a new wife (law abiding citizen, good looking)

        Hey Heartzizie Heartzie!!! Convicted serial killer Danny Rolling, after signing thousands of autographs for women, was able to obtain a wife who then wrote a book for him, seeking to make him profits. See Rolling v. State of Florida, 741 So. 2d 627 (Fla. 1st DCA 1999).

        And the betas wept!!!!

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      • on June 7, 2013 at 2:36 pm Scray

        ‘I get to doing the right thing, but my fear of rejection is crippling and overpowering.’

        Yeah….I’m not sure it ever goes away. The key difference is that now I can just overcome it. I can control it. Maybe not all the time (there are several sets/girls where I miss the opportunity still) but a good deal of the time. So that ability came after approaching 180 sets total in my ‘PUA’ career and from the reference experiences therein.

        But this whole venture is starting to become more about strength of character than anything else. Keyword — strength. I’m bringing order to myself and my life. If we can’t control ourselves how can we expect to influence others? So just go out and force yourself to approach consistently. Pretty soon you’ll start to see that you’re actually trying to fool yourself, first and foremost…not them.

        …
        And then maybe you’ll fuck some hot girl in Jamaica who can still inspire a bunch of faggish beta feels with just a FB message….to the point of you having to limit yourself to short sentence responses and deleting their number out of your phone so you don’t get the urge to make international calls for hours on end.

        …
        No big deal ;D

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  41. on June 3, 2013 at 10:05 am geeco

    He ate too many pussies to get throat cancer…….http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/06/03/michael-douglas-throat-cancer-hpv.html………Michael will definitely be hated by the women who love men give them head.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 10:18 am Greg Eliot

      Maybe cigarettes could have had a little to do with it… :rolleyes

      Then again, maybe cigs wasn’t the only thing he was smokin’. :yikes

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      • on June 3, 2013 at 3:56 pm thwack

        badda bing!

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  42. on June 3, 2013 at 10:24 am MercifulBoss

    Hello betaboys. You want to know how to be alpha? Watch and observe Russians that come from Russia (not the beta boy, pussy shit Russians that grew up in America). They ain’t scared of jack shit, they’re jacked as fuck and many do MMA.

    A personal anecdote. I once visited Russian friends living in Philadelphia. Their neighborhood is half white (mostly Russian/Ukrainian) and the other half is black. So, I went to chill with my friend and his Russian friends at a park outside. Suddenly three black guys who think they are tough, approach us and start talking shit. The Russians didn’t say anything, they just cocked their head to the side, squinted one eye and had this dangerous looking smirk on their faces. Suddenly one Russian turns to the other and says, “who allowed these negros to leave their plantation?” The Russian turns back to the black guys and says, “brah, do you want me to get a whip and give you 100 lashings for talking disrespectfully to a white man?”. The black guys got pissed and tried to punch the Russian dudes. To cut a long story short, much of the neighborhood soon joined in the fight and the Russians absolutely destroyed the blacks. It was fucking brutal. Russians don’t fight to disarm or kick a guys ass, they fight to destroy. Some guys had broken arms, legs and ribs.

    After the fight, we went to visit on of the Russian guys girlfriends. She was an easy 9. But damn, he didn’t take her shit. She started trying to yell at him for not doing something. He had this really incredoulous look on his face that basically said, “Seriously you are telling ME this?”. She got even more pissed and tried throwing things at him. He caught her arm and slightly strangled her. After that she gave him these lovey dovey eyes and you could tell she got wet.

    My friends, this is how to be alpha.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 11:13 am corvinus

      Отлично. Russians are some of the few Europeans that actually seem to know how to be MEN.

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    • on June 3, 2013 at 11:33 am Greg Eliot

      So how come there wasn’t a the usual outcry article in The Phila Inquirer or Daily News… indeed, in every national paper… about this “RAYCISS!” incident?

      Christ, they just about report every under-the-breath mumbling hint of racism nowadays… let along whites banding together to fight in the streets and break black bones.

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      • on June 4, 2013 at 8:37 am MercifulBoss

        It happens often in this neighborhood. Plus they are Russian. You don’t talk shit about Russians. Russians don’t give two shits about Rascism. If you are a black man, don’t get offended to be called “negro”. Russians don’t use the word “African American” or “Black”.

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  43. on June 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm Scray

    On the runner up comment: yeah……..the weird thing is that you can’t read or hear those words and believe them. The internalization can only come from going out and just putting yourself through the world’s bullshit.

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  44. on June 5, 2013 at 6:49 am Jones

    GBMF, I thought you’d be more of a fan of Nicole Diver’s psychodrama in Fitzgerald’s “Tender is the Night”:

    “Nicole was the product of much ingenuity and toil. For her sake trains began their run at Chicago and traversed the round belly of the continent to California; chicle factories fumed and link belts grew link by link in factories; men mixed toothpaste in vats and drew mouthwash out of copper hogsheads; girls canned tomatoes quickly in August or worked rudely at the Five-and-Tens on Christmas Eve; half-breed Indians toiled on Brazilian coffee plantations and dreamers were muscled out of patent rights in new tractors — these were some of the people who gave a tithe to Nicole, and as the whole system swayed and thundered onward it lent a feverish bloom to such processes of hers as wholesale buying, like the flush of a fireman’s face holding his post before a spreading blaze.”

    I wonder what Fitzgerald would have made of suburban shopping malls, especially the marvellous little psychoses in couture that they tend to reflect.

    Who needs the “green light” when you can let Princess Cupcake butthex the planet?

    Anyway GBMF, you’re all about the butthex, so you would absolutely love to read about the merry ventures of one Mr Dick Diver … llolllzzzzz

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  45. on June 5, 2013 at 4:54 pm Glengarry

    And the Spirit says, LLZOLZZOLZ. And let him that heareth say, LZOLZZOLZOL. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of Game freely.

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  46. on June 7, 2013 at 8:14 am Bob Sacamano

    So one can conclude that Troy and the greek city-states envolved in the war against it were the most white-knighting nations that ever existed.

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