Sidewinder asks,
How does one do obligatory beta things in the course of a relationship in an alpha way? Wives and girlfriends will not accept skittles as gifts on a regular basis. At some point it will be her turn to pick the movie, and it will usually be a gay selection. How do you share in the celebration of whatever girl milestones she’s happy about?
I recall seeing a good post about alpha ways to propose, but my question goes more to the day to day level. After you’ve been with a girl for 3 months or so, she’s looking for a connection. Constant aloof game will eventually lead to her just thinking you are a negative, critical dick. But being a mushy beta herb is fatal as well. Maybe I’m suggesting a new post “Relationship Game: The Day-to-Day Alpha.”
CH readers who are familiar with the archives know that “aloof game” is not all there is to inspiring a woman’s love and fidelity through all four weeks of the month. Beta reassurance game matters, and in fact will occupy the bulk of your time with any woman who is more than a sexual fling to you.
The reason Chateau Heartiste, and game blogs in general, focus on attraction-building seduction techniques and attitudes is because for most men — and especially for men with a lot of White and Red Nordid ancestry — aloofness and charisma around women don’t come as naturally as, say, white knighting and slow wooing via the display of beta provider signals. The world West is changing, and a different kind of seduction is needed.
Most men are betas by definition, and the “art” of buying girls stuff and complimenting girls and tending to girls when they are upset in order to win their favor is second nature to such men. The beta provider’s mental resources aren’t taxed by spending real resources on women. That’s the beta’s bread and butter. In contrast, the beta male feels tremendous psychological distress when his bread and butter isn’t working and he has to delve into the crimson world of exotic seduction tactics to inspire lust in women. This is when the beta, after having endured in crestfallen solitude from the bar room wall the spectacle of sociable alpha males hoarding the pussy, decides to turn to the lessons of applied charisma.
Regarding Sidewinder’s question, the day-to-day relationship stuff is not particularly hard or incomprehensible for the inveterate beta male. He’s been ready since birth to assume his role as the “I’m a caring man and I’ll be there at your side to dry your tears and listen to you bitch and promise you how beautiful you look when the baby is disgorging itself from your wide-open bloody vagina” man that all women claim they desire, but actually don’t desire until times get tough or their oxytocin levels are elevated. (Or the SMV differential between the woman and the man is so great that he can afford to be a beta.)
But just because that sentimental huggy-wuggy stuff comes easy to betas doesn’t mean they’d see no benefit from supercharging their relationship game with time-honored and field-tested seduction strategies. A man who has brought balance to his masculine force — a man who has sharpened his far-focused beta bonding on the whetstone of near-focused alpha allure, and knows how to apportion each by amount and timeliness to induce maximum arousal in his woman — is a man of such rarefied self-awareness that women will die for him. Or at least defend his right to pimp them out.
Building on this premise, tomorrow’s post will be about those “day-to-day alpha” things that men should do to strengthen and invigorate their loving relationships with women.

Hmmm… You are starting to sound a bit like Athol Kay!
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zlozozoz
DA GBFM likes to balance his MASCULINE FORCE
(HIS LOSTATSS OCCKAS)
with a tight, tught gina holez.
For such is da symmtertyies of da universzes
dat da tight gina holez are 4ever being seeking 2 be balenanced by da losstats cockas GBFM’s lostats cockas MASCULAINE FORCE lzzzlozzlzozo
many of ye are doing it wrong and trying to balance the universe by sticking your tiny cockasc masculine “farce” lzozozlzlzoz small peckers into loose pre-buttcocked sluuty smelly buttholizozlzo, and den you woneder why men’s natural righat NATULRA LRIGHTS an dthe FIATH OF OUR FATHERSZ is being desecrated and disspipated zlzlzoozlzoz
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lzozozozo
in dis vdieo she left out two cockas and only presented 3 out of 5–she left out da biggest one da GBFMz and da smallest matt kingsz zlzozlzozzo
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I’m givin’ this bitch ATM, before I blast on her spectacles.
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Classy.
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Always.
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lzozozozoz
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/lozozozoz-da-gbfms-online-datingz-profilez-lzozozlzozlzozlzoz/
lozozozoz DA GBFM’S ONLINE DATINGZ PROFILEZ LZOzozlzozlzozlzoz
lzozlzzzzo da GBFM dont no online datetz as A) i have not eneouch cockeasz to handaled all da psuusysys pusysys pusysysy dat come my way in real life in da coffee shopd shich i call starfuckszx as da GBFM is da fuckstatr in da coffe shop lzlzozo beoyenend faacebook and buttcobook and assbook lzlzozl and 2) der is too much risk dat her picturez was taken when she was hotter, younger tighter thirty pounds lighter dureing the commencnemnt of her massive cock carosuslel crusade and bountiful buttcocking battlez zzoozoz so da GBFM letsz da betasz pay da oldsnatch.com datng feez to look @ a chix pre-bernankifed photoso zlzozlzoozozoz
but here woudld be my profielz if da GBFM did onlinez date: lzozoz
GBFM SEEKSZ TIGTHT PUSYSYSYIZYOSUSOUSSIUOJZOZzlzlzlzlzoz
TITLE: LOTSAS COCKAS 4U 2 serveice gina tingeelzo but not butettngzlzlzl
“my name is da gbfm of worldwide fame and renown. i don’t buttcockz cause my cockas too big and ur anus (not da planet uranus lzozzlz) is likely too small, unless u have been buttcocked many timez, in which case you have been bernnakififed and deosuled & ur anus IS likely big as da planet URANUS lzozozo and i don’t no waannna gina cock you no more as u are proabably as a big a pain in da ass as da pain in uranus ass from all da buttccokingz during your cock carsoule crusisidng days of whorey glory zlzlzoozo.
my ideaz of an idealsz date is to talk about da GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ which menasz dat u shut up and da GBFM doesz all da talkingz cause we know womenz never read homer’s iliad nor odyssey notr bible on their own (Except dey be fmeinists frankfurt schools deocntsructing da great books instead of respecting da GBFM’s frankfurter in der mouth lzoozlzoz), but womenz only readz vampire gina-tingly butt-tingly crap like twilight and julia prostsititute roberts book eat, prey, butthext”
even dough my last seneveenteen girlz complained dat da GBFM is soooo complicated, my ruels rulez arez simple:
bring da movbiez = lostas cokas 4u
bring no movies = no cockasz 4u
P.S. and please pelasez please i beg of you do not waste da GBFM’s precious itme. time. pleasez post up-tod-ate picture of you TODAY! do NOT post pictures of you when you were younger hotter tighter and fifty pounds lighter back in da day when you were givingz it up for free 2 all da buttccokerz in your bernkifiing dorm of student debt and anal debaucheyr lzlzoz as da debt was augmented in sectrieve meethingsz of da fed and da nauth violted in sectrely taped buttcheidnt sessionz zlzl, and pretending dat because you were once hot da GBFM now owes u moneysz to get down on what you gave away for free before u contrtced dat STD. lzozolzolzoo
i like to travel, and we can travel togethers. i will travel form da bedroom to da couch to play grand theft autoz, while youwill travel from da bed to da kitchen to make da GBFM a morning omelelete with lotssa cheddar cheese but not form between your kness zlzlozlzlo
if u are thirty and have had ur fun and r looking to “get serious,” then please get serious! da gbfm ain’t no backcup beta nor da last branch you can grab as you fall from da tree of your sexual peak in your early twentietsz which you wasted on lsostas cockas riding da cock carousleuesz. and now u see da GBFM’s massive lotsas cockas and mistake it for a thick tree branch u can grab on just beofree you hit da ground of eterna spinterhood zlozlzolzolzo causez da gbfm don’t give no cockasz to dose dat have “had their fun,” bt only does fresh young hot tight tights who r having funz zlozozoz
when you comtact me please include:
how many pounds u have gained since your profile picture was taken (rounded to nearest tens of poundsz lzozlzl).
\how many timez you have been bernnakified via:
how many cockasz u have taken in da buttholzizo since your profile picture was taken.
how many pounds u have *REALLY* gained since your profile picture was taken.
how many cockasz u have taken in da ginazizo since your profile picture was taken.
how many cockasz u have taken in da mouthollzizo since your profile picture was takenz.
i know dat you wills undertted your bernifiaction numbers by a factor of 5 or more in da same way da fed undesrsrtated inflationz, so i have my eocnomistsz grad stdudnets muiltiply your ansers by 5 lzoozozoz so if you sayou have been bernankkekified 10 timesz we will know it was at least fifty and proebeleeby more zlzoozozoz
da gbfm looks forwards to meetingz youz and may r luvz last 4eever or at leats until da gbfm has cumed zlzlzloz sploododeged whichever cums firstz zlzlzlozo
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GBFM, well put! That all sounds great in theory–but does it work in the real world, too? Dishes don’t wash themselves, you know.
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GBFM, well put! That all sound great in theory–but does it actually work in the real world, too? Dishes don’t wash themselves you know.
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Survivor-Eye Of The Tiger
Risin’ up back on the street
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance now I’m back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive
So many times, it happens too fast
You trade your passion for glory
Don’t lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep them alive
(Chorus)
It’s the Eye of the Tiger
It’s the thrill of the fight
Rising up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And he’s watching us all
With the Eye of the Tiger
Face to face, out in the heat
Hangin’ tough, stayin’ hungry
They stack the odds till’ we take to the street
For we kill with the skill to survive
(Repeat Chorus)
Risin’ up straight to the top
Had the guts, got the glory
Went the distance, now I’m not gonna stop
Just a man and his will to survive
It’s the Eye of the Tiger
It’s the thrill of the fight
Rising up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And he’s watching us all
With the Eye of the Tiger.
The Eye of the Tiger
The Eye of the Tiger
The Eye of the Tiger
The Eye of the Tiger
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Who are you and what did you do with Heartiste?
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Lead and they will follow….and a little push pull. When the dread meter is reaching 10, send some flowers. When the dread meter is at a 3, call from the bar with a pack of women howling in your ear. Pretty basic suff.
I got a buddy at work who uses the cupcake trick all the time. When his wife is cold and not coughing up the sex, he simply bakes some cupcakes when she isn’t around, puts them in his car, and then when he comes home he takes them out of his car and brings them in the house and puts them on teh counter and then he waits for her to ask “where’d you get those?” ….then he simply utters some basic words. “This girl alison at the office baked them for me….no idea why.” Then he goes and takes a dump and lets the hamster excercise.
Works like a charm.
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What would work better, 2-to-1 ratio of Alpha to Beta behavior (Alpha-Alpha-Beta/Puff-Puff-Give) or purely random operant conditioning (ie, intersperse beta “reward” every now and then?)
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You want the correct answer?
You and your wife have made three or four babies, and she’s young enough that you’ll probably be making three or four, and you put all your “gives” into the kids you’ve made with her.
Driving em to swim meets, sitting in the audience at band concerts and ballet recitals, overnight camping in the woods, fishing down by the river, whatever.
That’s where the “gives” are given.
At the end of the day, the only “nice” your wife needs is an orgasm or two and then a good night’s sleep.
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The fundamental problem here is that LTRs without children are utterly unnatural [and utterly purposeless, for that matter].
If your lady friend is slipping into the nilihistic ennui of gimmediss and gimmedat – diamonds, rubies, sapphires, whatever – then you need to step up to the plate and give her what she really needs: A bun in the oven.
And then another.
And another.
And another.
Once you add kids to the mix, the ennui won’t be even so much as a distant fading memory in the rear view mirror.
And after you become a parent, you will finally understand why God created woman to couple with man.
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Preach it, brother!
We weren’t put here just to drive Mercedeses and take two vacations a year.
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Exceptions granted for diesel Mercedes from the 1980s. Those are the quintessential thoughtful dad car.
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Hence my qualifier “just“, Kamerad. 😉
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Seriously.
If you’ve been banging a chick for as little as three months [and definitely if you’ve been banging her for as long as six months], and if you realize that’s it’s just not for you, then GET OUT.
Because it simply is not fair to her and to her shrivelling ovaries and to the little bit of sand left in her biological hourglass if she keeps wasting her time on you.
And, for that matter, it isn’t fair to you or to your family or to your ancestors or to [what ought to be] your own mark on this world.
So either man up, and start putting some buns in her oven, or else GET OUT, and let her find a real man, with some actual balls between his legs, who will.
BTW, once you’ve finally copulated with a chick for the purpose of baby-making, you will immediately realize [in retrospect] the desperate hopelessness and death-eating, species-destroying nihilism of the purposeless fornication which you used to engage in, back when you were a good-for-nothing worthless-sack-of-shit PUA cad jackoff loser.
Bottom Line: Get busy making babies, or get busy going extinct.
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BTW, once you’ve finally copulated with a chick for the purpose of baby-making, you will immediately realize [in retrospect] the desperate hopelessness and death-eating, species-destroying nihilism of the purposeless fornication which you used to engage in, back when you were a good-for-nothing worthless-sack-of-shit PUA cad jackoff loser.
+1…
By God’s wounds, I think we’ve finally found our blue-collar alternative to Matt King.
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The fundamental problem here is that LTRs without children are utterly unnatural [and utterly purposeless, for that matter].
You’re telling me. Why else would we hang around with the same woman year in, year out?
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Heh, heh… sometimes it’s “Better the devil you know…”.
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Someone here, a woman, once said, “I don’t want a master, but I do want a Captain.” That’s a pretty good mindset to work from.
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I like that and am stealing it.
Relationship game isn’t hard – just live your life. If she won’t come along, move on. I learned this the hard way by dating a slew of controlling cunts pre-finding game. Game helped me realize what I should have known from history – women are easily replaceable.
Now, any girl I date knows that they are their to compliment and add to me, not complete or change me. If they help me, they are rewarded (and rewarded well). They also know that I have the final say over any matter and if they try to start a fight about it, I’m gone.
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I’ve always said women want a leader, not a boss.
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Here’s a woman who unequivocally wants a “Master”:
http://angyldown.wordpress.com/i-am-a-submissive-woman/
Notice the absence of capitalization for the letter “i” in reference to herself, which is a telltale sign of her submission to her Master. Contrast this with the purposely capitalized title of “Master”, whom she reveres to the point of perversion because His dominance is what she so desperately craves.
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Lots of women like that in BDSM. It gets pretty extreme when people let out their deep sides: polyamory, “slavery,” ritual spankings or more. It’s Alpha dominance taken to the extreme. It is well worth studying.
The Marquis de Sade, the Godfather of it said: “I’ve already told you: the only way to a woman’s heart is along the path of torment.” What he means is that besides women loving being taken hard sexually, they also love physical pain. It’s quite an experience to spank a nubile young woman’s ass until your hand is swollen or have her beg for the belt, and yeah, they do love you for it.
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““where’d you get those?” ….then he simply utters some basic words. “This girl alison at the office baked them for me….no idea why.” Then he goes and takes a dump and lets the hamster excercise.”
HILARIOUS!
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I’ve compiled a list with all the CH maxims that I could find http://pastebin.com/uGdAzLFc
Most of them were compiled sometime in the past by others readers. I googled the others that were missing and some of the new ones.
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MAN THANKS SO MUCH FOR THAT POST
BRILLIANT LIST
BEST POST IVER EVER READ BY A MILE
MY OWN PERSONAL BARNEY STINSON PLAYBOOK
THANK YOU!
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“MY OWN PERSONAL BARNEY STINSON PLAYBOOK”
Pretending To Be Heterosexual For Homosexual Dummies?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337048/Russian-president-Putin-wife-Lyudmila-announce-TV-marriage-over.html
speaking of alpha
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besides a little fat his 55yr old exwife is better looking than at least 50% of the girls on campus.
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Putin will likely get a younger model and show his dedication for increasing Russia’s TFR by impregnating her with a bunch of little Putins and Putinas.
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He looks like he’s ready to roll up the sleeves and have a go with all comers.
Wifey looks like she packed it in years ago.
Divorce? Cue Ralph Kramden… “WHOOOOAAAH, what a surprise!”
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To ask or even think the question gives the permanent answer. Nothing against the man, but this Sidewinder guy has always seemed the most exemplary beta male imaginable. He’s been consistent from his first post to this letter: insufficiently *relaxed* for alpha.
You make a woman crazy with love and lust and she’ll eat red skittles out of your asshole Sidewinder and consider it a feast. And that includes all the women that you might automatically and very wrongly assume are too “classy” to go into that kind of heat.
What men really want, and almost never achieve, is true erotic command over a woman. If you haven’t rendered her mind a wet cunt, then she may like you fine, but she’ll never really get down.
Most men simply don’t love pleasure enough to subject their women. They are rightfully afraid of the chaos incurred thereby.–
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Great visuals. Maybe you don’t understand my question. I’m assuming you’ve already seduced the girl. Banged her over 100 times, in all three inputs. She may have even moved in. But she has friends, family, and a life, and therefore possesses expectations which require more than butthole skittles on her birthday. But its more than just special occasions: if you’re in a LTR, you have to be supportive. That doesn’t mean you have to act like a beta kiss ass, but you have to engage with the chick on a person to person level, listen to wtf she’s talking about, offer positive suggestions. What I want to know is, how do you do these beta things in an alpha way? As a default, I assume a “coach”-like position in the conversation with her, where I’m still framing her as the student/mentee, but dropping thoughtful compliments and advice from a position of authority.
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> “Banged her over 100 times, in all three inputs.”
And in nature as it existed for roughly the previous 5 billion years, those hundred bangs would have resulted in four or five children by now.
Your problem is that you don’t have kids.
Your relationship with her is purposeless.
You might as well be watching internet porn and making love to the palm of your own hand.
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Zombie Shane ftw.
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ZS fucked up a while back and typed a Freudian Slip which gave away just a little too much of an insight into his real identity.
ZS needs a new moniker [which he can then fuck up as well].
PS: Do you ever get the heebie-jeebies that you have something from real life copied into your “copy buffer”, either from your business life, or from your family life, or from wherever, and somehow it accidentally gets pasted into a reply at a board like this, and you don’t realize it, and once you post it, you’re totally fucked?
PPS: It’s like the God-damned auto-complete in the email addresses of the email programs [Outlook, Outlook Express, whatever], and a completely wrong address gets inserted instead of what you wanted?
Like if your wife’s address were janedoe@theresnoplacelikehome.com
And if your mistress’s address were jackywhacky@comehither.com
And you type the “ja” for your mistress, but Outlook autocompletes it to your wife, and you hit “Send” by accident, and then you realize what you just did, and you’re like, “OH FUCK ME!!!”
I’m telling you, man, getting a little strange on the sly just ain’t worth the worries.
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He’s trying to go into deep anonymity and you just blew his cover, broham.
Although, with a message like his, I’m not sure there is cover deep enough.
Eff this, hiding in the shadows is useless. Full exposure of identity is simply reckless in the age of the digital mob, but pseudonyms once removed from a discoverable provenance are the way to go — Limited Liability Personae.
Hence the future need for military discipline. If any one of us sticks his head up randomly, it will be sniped. If we all stand up as one unit, they’re fucked. There aren’t enough beds at the Guantanamo Spa and Country Club for all of us.
Or, when you owe the bank a thousand dollars, it’s your problem. When you owe the bank a billion dollars, it’s their problem. Courage creates numbers and numbers allow courage. Just have to get the timing right.
Matt
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MK: These motherfuckers have erected a God-damned 1984/Brazil/NKVD police state infrastructure to spy on Johnny Rebs like us.
Shit is starting to get real a whole helluva lot faster than anyone realized that it would.
The scary thing is how many toads in the greater gubmint bureaucracy seem to have been all too ready and willing to kowtow to their new globalist overlords who handed them their anti-constitutional marching orders.
You’d have thought that there would have been at least a handful of patriots in the CIA or the NSA or the FBI or the IRS who would have spoken out about this nightmare before now.
But the good news is precisely that the shit is starting to get real.
We knew that it was going to – sooner or later.
Might as well have been sooner.
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You’d have thought that there would have been at least a handful of patriots in the CIA or the NSA or the FBI or the IRS who would have spoken out about this nightmare before now.
Patriots? Meh.
As long as the gummint keeps signing the checks… and they’re cashable… these “patriots” will fire upon their own brothers… indeed, even a mother with child… if called to.
Exhibit A:
Can you say “Bonus March”? Sure… I knew you could.
Exhibit B:
Latest sports score: Nat’l Guard 4, Ohio State 0
Exhibit C:
Mrs. Randy Weaver
Exhibit xx:
(add yours here)
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If a girl is doing right by you, positively reinforce that. Giving her Skittles when she’s been nothing but agreeable makes no sense.
If it’s your anniversary, play like you forgot all day long. “Today is what? Oh, shit…” and have something already waiting for her at the office. Or, if she’s stay-at-home, have it waiting nearby in your house. Give her a wink when she finds it. You can do this every year and she’ll grow accustomed to it.
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Sidewinder when I read you I can feel your anxiety. This is no insult. You’re an exemplary beta precisely because you *worry* about such things. A smart and anxious guy who is worried about getting things right and doing things right. Always.–
It must seem unimaginable to you that some men have “successful LTRs” in which they offer no verbal “support” at all. There is an older conception of the relation between a man and a woman where the woman is the talky anxious worrywart and the man barely stirs, sleepy over his beer.
I want you to imagine a different, freer and better world is which thoughts of “support” and “engagement” and “thoughtful compliments” need not occur. Ever. Does the mere thought of this *unanswered* world make you nervous?
If you dropped this worry like a turd in a bowl, flushed it and walked away, the world of love would smell much sweeter.
But it seems to you that rationality and simple civility dictate that your love and “relationship” life be plagued with endless questions. As the great Wittgenstein remarked in another and completely applicable context:
“A picture held us captive. And we could not get outside it, for it lay in our language and language seemed to repeat it to us inexorably.”
― Ludwig Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations
The language that holds the beta captive is the incessant inner monologue of anxiety. Let it go; flush it down.
The beta, above all else, is *anxious.* That is the key insight.–
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this alone was worth the price of admission.
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I’ll work on my anxiousness. No offense, but what little substantive response you provide to the actual question is complete pie-in-the-sky theoretical bullshit. If you are in a LTR, the majority of the time you will not be having sex and there will be a real, live person there that you have to interact with about what to make for dinner, what to do with the weekend, and conversation about each others’ lives. Lots of time in the car. Girls like to talk. This is not a picture or preconceived notion about relationships, this is what actually happens in the real world. Your non-answer is a complete avoidance of the question, which suggests to me that you have difficulty relating to people. Instead of avoiding the question, how about some actual advice on framing day-to-day interactions with girls you’re dating?
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You sound like a baby saying no just because your parents told you to do something. Dont let his neg swade you to the beta side. Worst case she wants to break up but you being the man that you are will not chase her and no contact which about a week and a halve later will bring her back with more love for you.
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Sidewinder,
Your reply would’ve been honest, excellent and useful to yourself and others had it terminated after the first sentence.
I can’t advise you what license plate game to play in the car and I can’t tell you whether or not you should leave the toilet seat up every third Wednesday but I can say for certain, dead truth, that you are nearly panicked by your fears of the simplest things and that this needs to end.
I serve you delicious pie-in-the-sky under a big picture sunset because this single insight is all you need: stop worrying about what women think. Act as you will; act like a man; and you may well find that the “real, live person” cooking you that vexed dinner will suddenly drop to her knees and you’ll both awaken to burnt pot roast.
And then you’ll have to figure out where to go and eat. Thai? Chinese?
Read the Willeford books I’ve linked below and report back.–
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“panicked by your fears…” Trying out for a soap opera? This is a game blog. I ask questions because I am genuinely curious and like the dialogue that sometimes comes out of the comments. Why else are we commenting on this blog?
You could have saved everyone the time, avoided the psychoanalysis and just stated your tough guy frame: who cares what she thinks?
Great insight. You are a manimal.
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> “It must seem unimaginable to you that some men have “successful LTRs” in which they offer no verbal “support” at all. There is an older conception of the relation between a man and a woman where the woman is the talky anxious worrywart and the man barely stirs, sleepy over his beer.”
My sister has a close friend, who’s a career woman, with some pretty serious responsibilities at work, who “divorced” her ostensibly-worthless oft-unemployed perenially-underemployed husband.
Only he refuses to leave the house.
My man just sleeps on the couch now.
Rock on, dude, rock on.
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hey, at some point she thought he was worth marrying, right?
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The disconnect here is in the classification of certain activities as inherently “alpha” or “beta” (or “omega”).
Alpha and beta are attitudes, not actions. Your actions are either motivated by supplication or dominance or neutrality (or some beta-trending admixture). Aloofness is a pick-up trick, not a way of life — one cannot achieve dominance through neutrality.
In that regard, there is a world of difference between, “What movie would you like to see?” and “You pick the movie.” N/a was saying you can (must) maintain your superior posture even as you are
You’re slipping. This habit dies so hard.
When you are leading a woman, you are helping her be feminine in a way no beta male can. When you speak truth, you are not ipso facto “a negative, critical dick.” This is the fruit of the sinister feminist propaganda we of this generation received with our mother’s milk.
Women are inclined to live in a world of “pretty lies,” a soft comfortable environment of nicey-nicey deception. Men are designed to live in the world of the real: where life is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. ” The art of male-female compatibility is where 1) the man is good at translating the truth into terms safe for his woman’s consumption, and 2) the woman places her whole faith in her man’s ability to interpret the truth.
Sometimes this requires being blunt and harsh, sometimes it requires patience and tutelage, sometimes it requires abject female deference — depending on the urgency of the circumstances. E.g.:
Slap. “Stop crying, you’re giving away our position, now go get me the box of ammo in the basement right fucking now.”
“Let’s go over this one more time. You’re just cute enough to pull off being a perpetual ditz.”
“I understand what you’re saying, but we are going to do it my way.”
This attitude is only bad when you are giving attitude for its own sake and you are inherently an untrustworthy leader. But even then it’s better to fake decisiveness than moping and meandering.
“My man, right or wrong” is the deepest primal desire throbbing the blood through every woman’s uterine artery. You have to be catastrophically wrong to screw this up, which many otherwise natural leaders can be. Or, you have to have no leadership in you at all, which most sackless untestosteroned manboobs have been conditioned by our culture to be.
Matt
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“Alpha and beta are attitudes, not actions”
“When you are leading a woman, you are helping her be feminine in a way no beta male can. When you speak truth, you are not ipso facto “a negative, critical dick.””
“Sometimes this requires being blunt and harsh, sometimes it requires patience and tutelage, sometimes it requires abject female deference — depending on the urgency of the circumstances.”
I agree with your comment 100%. Don’t let that go to your head.
My favorite recommendation for reading material on this concept is actually manhood101’s free eBook:
http://manhood101.com/principles101.pdf
There’s some stuff in there about masculinity, and bringing order to your world and the world of those around you, and how/why/when to use various forms of discipline, reward, and punishment for the ultimate benefit of the person you’re using it on even if in the immediate it feels “dickish” and causes “pain”.
I found it an interesting read, and it covers an area that PUA doesn’t really focus (we cover how to punish but generally not why to punish beyond getting pussy). The book sort of plays into the overarching concept of “leave them better than you found them” and is a part of why the women I’m with grow by being with me. I give them what they need, whether it’s love, compassion, punishment, discipline, etc., to ultimately bring order to their chaotic world.
There’s a clip in The Great Happiness Space (too much hassle to find the link, I’m on my phone) where one of the top guys mentions that he gives the girls what they need, and that sometimes they need scolding for being dumb in their personal life and he provides that the way a father or older brother would, as well as providing good emotions.
Ultimately women WANT a man who makes them feel a range of emotions. That’s why in Twilight Bella and Edward don’t just go “want to go out?” “sure.” and get along swimmingly and have no obstacles to their happy ending right when they first meet lol
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Confessing your love for a girl alpha style seems to be something like this:
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There’s already been some good advice offered. Push pull is important. be yourself is also important. I mean think as you wish to think and be confident in what you say and do. If you’re a well rounded person, you will do this effectively. Women are seldom sure of themselves and are looking for the man to take the lead on what to do. Take that ball and run with it. Make sure she knows you have other options and no shame to act on them. Be an MRA but don’t dwell on it. Insist on sex as the main reason you’re with her and the pleasure of her company alone doesn’t cut it. Neg her regularly but in a playful way. Get pissed periodically for no reason and grumble under your breath and be a dick on occassion. If you do this, you can get away with beta gift giving but be sparing. The suggestion above with the cupcakes is also good. Flirt with the waitress when you’re out to dinner. I could go on.
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Matt King has had the best response so far. The reality is that *anything* can be alpha or beta depending on the frame and angle you are coming from. The easiest analogy is buying a girl a drink at the bar. This is obv a no-no for beginners because when they do this it comes from a place of insecurity and neediness, while the same action from an alpha comes from a place of confidence and neutrality.
[CH: I’ve seen alphas get shot down trying to buy girls drinks. Some things are beta no matter who does it, or where and when it’s done. For instance, begging for a girl’s love is extremely beta; if a pre-selected alpha were to do that, his alpha veneer would crack in a hurry.]
Most of this isn’t binary, which is why some logical betas have such a tough time with game.
[You’re right that attitude is a big part of male sexiness, but certain behaviors are so innately unattractive to women that even the most favorable circumstance or aloof delivery won’t personally advantage the man engaging in such behaviors.]
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The fact that most modern beta males buy girls drinks as an opening offer of transactional supplication does not make the very act of purchasing a drink for a woman intrinsically “beta.”
The modifier of that action (“begging”) conditions the neutral activity (seeking a girl’s love) into something that must always be beta. It’s close to a tautology — “when an alpha acts beta is is acting beta.” Like saying: when a man wears a dress, wig, and make-up, his masculine veneer “would crack in a hurry.”
If the behavior defines beta, then yes it’s true, no alpha can engage in it no matter what his “delivery.” But the controversy here is over which behaviors intrinsically define beta. And we are saying that attitude and motivation define the betatude of almost every activity far more than the simple performance of that activity in itself.
Matt
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n/a can you email me plz, I’v always agreed with that type of mentality, I hate that I can relate to sidewinder because whenever you try to wing it in a society like this and don’t have masculine role models and everything around you is constantly reinforcing the thoughts of what sidewinder is getting at, it gets kind of hard, but no excuses. I still have some of my beta bullshits but I’m mercilessly trying to get rid of them, recommend any books? email me.
Necorochi@yahoo.com
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necorochi,
Let’s talk here so everybody gets a taste. 😉
I’m glad you asked about books because it gives me a chance to recommend a magnificent writer, a writer you can trust and be immersed in to endless benefit, Charles Willeford:
http://tinyurl.com/Shark-Infested-Custard
http://tinyurl.com/Something-About-A-Soldier
http://tinyurl.com/Miami-Blues
Read them in that order. Two spectacular novels flanking one of the finest memoirs ever written.
Too few men read Willeford, the manliest of writers, what Hemingway wished to be. No one writes better about violence in sunlight and violence inside.
Soak in his words like a dirty drunken bath and you’ll learn a great deal worth knowing.
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Not for nothing but I found that being a complete dickwad in a relationship, once you get the girl hooked, seemed to present no problem. I only performed minor beta services like apologizing once in while when I clearly, stupidly called the girl a dipshit when in fact, it was one of the times she was not a dipshit. Basically, apologizing only when I myself was too offended by my own actions not to go down the normal path of ignoring pleas for apologies. Soft things like that. If you can’t do that, get a pet. Be nice to the pet, it will show that you can nurture without having her receive any beta-spill-over.
It’s funny, when a girl loves her ragamuffin more than her children or man, that’s a sign of mental problems. When a guy cares more about Rex, then the girl tries harder.
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yeah, the more I think about it, the more it’s shown in pop culture to have the alpha guy transfer his betaness onto something other than the girl. Whether it’s his dog or a baby he borrowed to walk with. See pop culture examples everywhere. So, if you’re a successful hardass with your girl but are worried you don’t show any provider vibe, then get a pet or babysit a young relative with her.
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I think this concept has been the most difficult to grasp since learning game. As someone who was lacking the attraction segment, it was always easy for me to default and use the comfort/rapport component. In fact, the times I did hook girls in, the comfort/rapport was very effective and took it to the next level.
And it’s all a process.
1) use comfort as a default
2) get burned by this
3) figure out why (www.heartiste.wordpress.com)
4) use attraction as a default
5) get burned by this
6) figure out why
And the thing is, you have to go through this process. Feel the pain of a girl leaving you for being beta and also feel the pain of a couple girls leaving you for being too alpha.
During my 30 day challenge, I had a ton of great approaches and interactions but I got blown out for not realizing when I needed to switch gears and properly go into the comfort stage.
The same thing has happened over the course of a couple mini-relationships. It’s like I’m on auto-pilot doing these alpha asshole behaviors even though the comfort/rapport stuff I did in the past was more powerful.
It’s all good though, no sour grapes. I know where I need to take it now and it’s to better integrate the successful components of my game that was used in the past.
Remember, don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Baby = using comfort
Bathwater = having a beta mindset
-IG
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Hey, haven’t seen you for awhile! Ha, I actually started thumbing through your 30 day challenge thread for some ideas.
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Hey man. Let me know if you have any questions or need insight. A few things I learned:
1) make the 30 day challenge work around your schedule. Have to get up early the next day? Go out EARLIER or get your approaches in during the day.
2) going out solo will help you out more than going out with friends.
3) read 10min of material a day and try to let it focus on your sticking points. That mystery method collaboration has it broken down by chapters (cocky/funny, AMOGging, routines, etc)
4) have someone to hold you accountable. Tell Nightly that you will email him a Field Report every morning for the 30 day and let him hassle you if you don’t.
5) Try to avoid drinking so much. It’s conducive to your learning, saves you money, and gives you more energy in the morning. Sugar free red bulls are your friend.
6) find a few venues and try to stick with them. It puts you at ease and gives you more confidence when you go out. It helps if these venues vary though (lounge, club, fratty bar, Whole Foods).
7) Don’t get hung up on how much pussy you get. That pales in comparison to the intangible benefits you’re gaining.
Scray, after Day 12 it will feel like instinctive to go out and game. You will feel weird if you’re out and you don’t approach. You will also notice you will become a fuck ton wittier as you’re put on the spot more vis a vis AMOGging and shit tests.
Email me if you have any questions and if you end up in NYC, you have my word that I’ll take you out and show you a good time. Mbarksdale85@gmail.com
Keep up the awesome work Scray.
-IG
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SO with you here. I just banged this very sexy 19 yr old on friday…i suppose my desire to see her again is somewhat motivated by a lack of abundance. Still, my goal has been to get the second bang…and solidify things…getting her hooked.
shes been playing around since the hookup, i told her to come by and she said sghe couldnt without any counter offer. Not being a fool, i wrote her off entirely and didnt reply. Then she sent me some random bullshit 3 hrs later around midnight
“hey you know XXXX! this is such a small world lol” (i dont know this person at all)
my bs meter was through the roof. But i indulged her at 1pm the next day.
(Me) “Who?”
(Her) Woahh i dont know how that got sent to you. that was meant for someone else
(Me) wow. just wow.
(Her) my bad
(Me) hahahhhhhahaha
My gut was telling me she felt insecure or something. Im not the most demonstrative guy with a girl…especially at first. I gamed her very well, and very quickly….so i wonder if my alpha vibe was so strong that shes looking for signs of commitment…or provision or whatever…feeling insecure.
But i also have had situations where ive rationalized things this way, offered the comfort, and completely turned the girl off.
Im beggining to think that if i even start to wonder which it is, im losing the frame. So ive decided to go blank for at least a week and see how she takes it.
Its a hard line to toe im determined to figure it out.
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She has Buyer’s Remorse. She thinks you think she’s a slut who will come over to suck your dick from now on so she’s going to make it difficult to fuck her again (“not without a counter-offer”) even tho she still WANTS to fuck you again (txting you at midnight). She’s basically trapped by her own ASD and can’t escape it herself, she dug a hole that she needs you to pull her out of.
Ideally you want to avoid Buyer’s Remorse ahead of time by building more comfort/rapport but sometimes that’s not possible and the sex happens before you can get to or think to build comfort. I usually do this via my big long deep txting convos prior to hooking up because it eliminates hassles down the road.
If that fails you can prevent it by building comfort/rapport immediately after sex. This is where you cuddle and get to know her hopes and dreams and what her BFFs name is and about her dorky little brother etc etc. Going for food together after helps too. Telling her to txt you when she gets home so you know she made it safe, then turning that txt into a comfort conversation etc. Compare all that stuff to telling her “well I’ll call you a cab.” 2 minutes after blowing your load and telling her “later.” as she leaves and then not txting her for a week…which girl will end up regretting the night and be hard to her again? I’ll do this stuff if things went to sex too fast (one night stands, being forced to escalate fast due to logistics/cockblocks, maybe she’s not much of a txter and I can’t rope her into my comfort stuff in txt convo, etc).
The last and worst time to have to do it is where you are now, which is that she already has Buyer’s Remorse and now you have to diffuse it. Sometimes it’s easy and letting her know you had fun and don’t think she’s easy and that you don’t think she does that with every guy but you two just have intense chemistry and it’s so crazy how it just happened blah blah, can diffuse it in one conversation and you can bone again. Other times its a bitch and it can take you weeks or months to get rid of it, or you can’t get rid of it at ALL depending on how she views you and her personal baggage/history.
“My gut was telling me she felt insecure or something. Im not the most demonstrative guy with a girl…especially at first. I gamed her very well, and very quickly….so i wonder if my alpha vibe was so strong that shes looking for signs of commitment…or provision or whatever…feeling insecure.”
Ya, so going by my guide above you weren’t able/willing to build much comfort (her txts were shitty for having a deep conversation because she’s 19 and 19yo’s are retarded lol, and the bang happened pretty quick, AND you don’t demonstrate boyfriendy stuff with girls right away), so she’s feeling like you think she’s an easy lay and only want her for sex.
“But i also have had situations where ive rationalized things this way, offered the comfort, and completely turned the girl off.”
The calibration to each girl will come in time as you hook up with more girls and deal with more varieties of personality. The key is to not let one girl change your general strategy for the next. A poker hand with 95% odds is still the optimal move even if you catch that 5% 3 times in a row. That doesn’t mean be inflexible, it means study the girl and say “I know I need parts A B and C to get to this goal of casual fuckbuddy…but this girl makes part A difficult, so how can I adjust to her personality to still accomplish A even if its not at the same point in the seduction as with the last girl or even if I don’t have to create as strong an A or if I have to create A twice as strong for this girl”. That’s calibration.
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we cuddled after. she was into it i could tell….pretty affectionate. But i didnt say much. So i was hesitant to go overboard by trying o build it over text. i just went for the second meet.
i can get her on the phone. she answers. not sure if its the best move to call her up and just vibe a bit. but id be fine with that as long as it wouldnt blow the apha allure.
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“we cuddled after. she was into it i could tell….pretty affectionate. But i didnt say much.”
Ya, this kind of thing causes Buyer’s Remorse. If she wasn’t I to it or affectionate and you were like that, that’s fine, you both know its a casual fuck. You don’t want to match her level of affection cause that’ll spiral you into a relationship fast but it helps to show a bit of affection back.
What I do is try to frame it like in that MOMENT, when I’m WITH her, she’s the only girl in the world. So like I turn my phone off and I build comfort and do lots of cuddling and little kisses here and there etc. but as we talk I let loose my thoughts on relationships and monogamy etc where I let her know that I’m a fun time not a long time and that I don’t think too far ahead and like to just live in the moment and see where things go but that I think we have a lot of chemistry and she’s fun to shoot the shit with and I haven’t had to make up a fake business meeting to kick her out for so clearly I can stand her, a little bit, I SUPPOSE (this part said in an “I won’t admit that you’re winning me over” tone of voice, they love it).
Like the idea is that they get the affection and reassurance that I don’t think they’re a slut that they need from me…but it’s on my terms and couched in my frame of “I love you but I love all women and I like spending time with you but try not to fall in love with me…even tho that’s impossible because you’re already in love with me and want to have 10,000 of my babies.”
If you can get her on the phone, get her on the phone lol call her in the evening like 10pm when she’s in bed and there’s no distractions and you can really connect.
Alpha allure is great but you have to calibrate to what the girl is feeding you. Girls will give you their “blueprint” on how to seduce them…whether its “I can’t leave for food with you, my friends will freak out!” (which means befriend the friends or make her feel okay about ditching them or put her friends in a cab etc), or playing hard-to-get after banging (which means “I don’t feel good about what happened and I need you to fix that”).
A lot of guys don’t learn to read the girl and they act kind of aspergy, not being able to tweak their game to the situation…but that’s the Artist part of Pick-Up Artist. 🙂
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eh. i hit her up on the phone yest and she was with a friend…said to text her which i didnt. so i hit her up a min ago saying i was trying to quit smoking yesterday (true) and was in a shitty mood.
she just said “dont worry about it”.
eh. sounds like a loss
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“i hit her up on the phone yesterday and she was with a friend”
Of course she was. If she wasn’t with a friend she’d be at work or school or on a bus or any number of other interruptions.
This is why I said to call her at night when she’s in bed and there aren’t any distractions.
“said to text her which i didn’t”
You’re running aloof game on a girl who needs comfort. You’re not calibrating to her. You have already had your penis inside her, this isn’t the same as trying to initially pick her up. The dynamics changed once she fucked you and you have to adapt if you want to fuck her again.
And if you say you don’t want to fuck her again, that’s bullshit ego protection hamster rationalization because you wrote:
“very sexy 19 yr old on friday…i suppose my desire to see her again is somewhat motivated by a lack of abundance. Still, my goal has been to get the second bang…and solidify things…getting her hooked.”
If you want her, calibrate your game. If you don’t want her, you’re full of shit and just saying that because you don’t know how to get her back for round 2 yet.
She couldn’t talk on the phone so she told you to txt her. And she replied to your smoking txt. That’s her wanting to keep in touch and wanting you to solve this puzzle and assuage her Buyer’s Remorse so she can fuck you again.
Call at night, build comfort, ease up on the aloofness.
“eh. sounds like a loss.”
No, you just half-assed this and your ego is pressing the eject button because it doesn’t want to admit that you fucked up and couldn’t adapt and don’t know how to get this “very sexy 19 yr old” back for more.
You can bail, after half-assing this, and pretend you Next’ed her (you didn’t). Or you can look at this as an opportunity to practice your game and learn to calibrate and stick your dick in her again.
If you don’t learn to understand and prevent and/or fix Buyer’s Remorse, you will run into it over and over, with hotter girls that you’ll legitimately regret losing. You can also end up with the girl regretting the night so much that she decides it was rape because you didn’t make her feel good about fucking you, and that’s a whole ‘nother can of worms lol
This is an ENTIRELY salvageable and common situation. It is 100% possible to fuck her again. I would get this chick back with my eyes closed in under a week. You just have to start being an Artist and adapt to what she’s giving you. Seduction involves two people, not one. Switch your tactics up and learn from this. Round out your skillset. Adapt.
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@yareally
for what its worth, i was physically affectionate in the way you described after the sex. in fact i wondered after if i was too much so. But she reciprocated, and we talked a bit..she was in no hurry to bounce. at one point she was like “do you ever say anything besides cool and alright?” guess i was saying that alot. i took that as a good sign.
So given that i wasnt completely aloof, and was affectionate…i wonder if i strayed into beta territory in her mind. But do you think that given the fake “omg you know so and so?” message (after i ignored her rejection of hanging out that night) is that enough to proceed as if she has legit buyers remorse?
As it is i tried to get her out, and she blocked. So ive given her a few instances of comfort. I called her the next day, she called me right back, and was with a friend. We talked for a few, then she said “you wana just text me?”. I said yeah sure. Then i just ignored it…figured she was w her friend…it didnt seem right. would be too much chasing. so i sent her a text tonight saying “sry i didnt text yest i was quitting smoking hit me up when ur free”
she responded within 15 minutes “dont worry about it”
i can take the loss, its no biggie if so. Thing is my intent was strong for setting up that second meet, then she blocked. So im toeing the line between needy persistance, and aloof alpha….and i cant tell which is appropriate. maybe putting the brakes on for a bit and feeling it out in a week or so of radio silence.
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“do you ever say anything besides cool and alright?”
This is her saying “please have an actual conversation with me and build some comfort, you’re touching me which is nice but I need some mental attention, ask me something about myself or respond to something I say more in-depth than “cool…” so I can feel like you’re actually interested in me as a human being”
Calling her isn’t “building comfort/rapport”. Calling her and actually talking to her for a couple hours, saying more than cool and alright, and getting to know her and who she is as a person, is building comfort/rapport.
It’s like you’re looking at “the act of reaching out” (trying to call or letting her cuddle for a bit) as comfort-building, but it’s the act of actually connecting with her for a couple hours in-depth that’s comfort-building.
Radio silence is, again, you being aloof with a girl who needs comfort. She might eventually just get horny and want to bang you, but you’re relying on luck and fool’s mate over solid game.
Good luck with your situ, I’m not gonna type out the same advice 3+ times lol
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word man, dont mean to beat it to death. just legitimately puzzeled. its a legit sticking point…slight paranoia. Wouldnt be shocked if its just a phase others go through, similar to the paper alpha phase when you first discover game and spit everything from mystery method like an incongruent/uncalibrated retard.
appreciate you clarifying. youre saying i have room to work which is where i was confused. thought i may have overreached by calling and trying to appear more attainable. so right on dunno if friday and saturday are such good days to try and vibe over the phone but ill give it a shot
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Hey man thanks for sharing. YaReall gave more insight than I could here but I’ll add that don’t stress the process. You’re learning along the way and will fuck up less and less.
There is NO way that you’re getting worse. Remember that.
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Looking forward to this. Relationship game is very underrepresented, yet applies to a have percentage of readers who had success with Alpha game.
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Yeah, I’m trying to get better at comfort too. I’m going to need it pretty soon…if this improvement trend continues. Day 2 with that 5.5 at a chill bar (she dolled herself up with some nice subtle makeup and sexy, yet classy clothes to look like a 6….BUT I KNOW THE TRUFF). So anyway, I notice that her body language is weird. Like, her body’s leaned back a little from me, but her eyes are constantly in mine, she’s smiling, and her head is tilted. I can’t really figure out what’s going on — but then I remember that I really haven’t done much kino with her. Great. Just great. To make matters worse, I do still suck hard at comfort.
So I just stumble through for long time, trying to do comfort….failing with interview questions, falling back on attraction…and then, I come up with this…
Me:….you know what’s funny?
Her: what’s funny
Me: Well, we have our phones and cars and stuff now, but I mean…what’s really changed between US….people?
Her: I bet a lot
Me: You think? We all still want the same shit we wanted 2000 years ago. I mean, ancient you and ancient me would be like, at the bath and I’d walk over to you and say the same shit I said to you the other night
Her: (amused)
Me:….of course we’d be naked….
Her: (snickers)
Me: THAT’S HOW THEY DID THINGS BACK THEN. And I’d have a wreath in my hair, strolling around the baths
Her: No, I’m too shy, I wouldn’t be in the baths
Me: Oh…where would ancient you be?
Her: I’d be out on the farm….
Me: Why —
(She says b/c she grew up on a farm, it’s a place that fosters family blah blah blah blah…)
Me: …okay, so I make it out to the farm— still naked from the bath by the way, with the wreath in my hair — and I’m like ‘suuup.’
Her: …I’d run and tell my dad!
Me: Shucks…
Her:…..he’d probably like you. Although….I’ve never dated a person of color before.
Me: Oh I’m sure the color will go away after like….four or five conjugal baths.
Her: ….oh so now you’re kidnapping a white woman and taking her to the baths…the ancient police would be pretty upset
Me: (throws hands up — stated loudly) The more things change….the more they stay the same, what can I say.
Her: (shaking her head at me, embarrassed red-faced laughter…now we’re connecting, I can feel it…)……that is so fucked up….
Me: ….what saves it from being fucked up is the fact that you aren’t a -fat- white woman (I nod, then in my mind I’m like ‘but you are very marginally attractive’ then I just start laughing to myself while she laughs at my joke)
Her: Well you’re only -part- black…..I didn’t even think you were any part black when I first met you.
Me: Maaan…fuck you, ho. (and from there it’s all easy……she opens like a freaking book with this ‘what would ancient you do’ stuff)
Unfortunately, I got so caught up in the good feels of comfort that I just stopped escalating. Yay, I’m learning about someone new. Wow, this person actually seems kind of cool in some ways. Neat, yayayaya. Then let some time slip away and she’s like ‘oh shit, I have to get up for work in 4 hours!’
Lolwtf….3 hours slipped by. And I forgot that she already told me she has to be at work at 5am. I mean sure, she would have stayed for Brad Pitt or whatever but…meh…
I’m also too chicken-shit to go for the kiss at the end. Yaaaaaaaaaaa!
I mean, it’s the best Day 2 I’ve had so far, because I found -some- way to connect. That’s the first comfort routine I’ve used that felt congruent.
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Ya I’ve been going out everyday….have tons of questions about these interactions I’m having in the club. Made out with another married 6 last night….had a really weird interaction with a 7, etc. etc. I’ll condense them all later or something and ask for feedback.
I made a new opener in the club that I’ve only tried once — to great effect — but it’s also pretty fun. If anyone else goes out, feel free to try it…I think it’s hilarious –>
Me: Hi….can you tell that I haven’t showered in two weeks, just got out of prison, am unemployed, and live with my parents? (smile, pause…..) Hey, I’m (your name).
Nightly came up with a better name for sarging. Now we call it ‘cunting.’ Just for fun, we’re gonna get little signs to hang on our doors — “gone cuntin'” Sarging just sounds too serious — they’re just girls.
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Its possible to be alpha all the time if you can handle it. But even as alpha you can give a girl a nice gift. Like my ex who bought me a piano- we picked it out in a store but he put the purchase order in online. He had me blow him while he filled out the order on a tablet. See, you can spend thousands of dollars even while still being alpha.
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good work!
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I wonder if the piano sits unused and out of tune.
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My boyfriend plays it often.
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I tried to learn. Turns out I had *no* talent for plating. But I found out I could sing pretty well. I use the piano for vocal exercises
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ah, so he didn’t really buy it for you, but got a BJ while ordering anyway. Killer.
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She said ex can you read?
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I think I hear the pounding of hooves and the clink of armor off somewhere in the distance. Best dust off my mace.
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That would have been genius but it was my ex that bought it and my current beau that plays it.
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> “it was my ex that bought it and my current beau that plays it”
Translation: Beta Bux, Alpha Fux.
As many years as you have been here – do you have no reading comprehension whatsoever?
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There is only beta bux and alpha bux in my world. It’s weird but money/status is practically like a kink of mine. You don’t need to be handsome or athletic to pique my interest. but I love a guy with money or status.. It’s my superficial turn on.
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> “but I love a guy with money or status.. It’s my superficial turn on.”
The oldest profession.
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Oh why must I feel this way? It must be the money.
You can be 18 with an attitude, or 19, kind of snotty, acting real rude. But as long as you a thicky thicky Hindu you know that it’s on.
You haters can’t get past that.
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I keep hearing about lesbianism and nude pics from back in the day…I think we need to see some of this action again, for old times sake, if nothing else.
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I keep hearing about lesbianism and nude pics from back in the day…I think we need to see some of this action again, for old times sake, if nothing else.
Then you’d be waxing more than nostalgic, I’d venture.
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Im seriously considering using thicky thicky hindu as my new monicker.
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“Im seriously considering using thicky thicky hindu as my new monicker.”
Try “death been there done that” instead.
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“Im seriously considering using thicky thicky hindu as my new monicker.”
Try “death been there done that” instead.
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lmao @ slang, at that piano being unused and outta tune….probably could play a C major chord, to save her life
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Thereby confirming that all women are whores. There are two types of whores: professionals and those who claim amateur status.
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I don’t think you can extrapolate that from what I said.
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Spin hamster
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Of course not you’re a woman
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I mean really. Ur pretty cool for a chick, but here is where you simply cannot escape your womanness. If you were to allow yourself to contemplate the incontrovertible truth of this statement, your hamster would literally explode and you might literally off yourself. You gave a 2-minute BJ in exchange for a piano that cost thousands of dollars (how much? $2,000? $4,000?). Re-read the statement. I need write nothing further for the male readers here. Do you think any woman in history has ever bought a $4,000 piano for a man in exchange for him going down on her for 2 minutes? zlzolzozzzz. You exchange sex for resources, like every other woman. That is simply how the mammalian part of the animal kingdom works, period.
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There is no sense in comparing between men and women when it comes to really nice gifts. Better to compare between men. You can be a beta that gives gifts, an alpha that gives gifts or an alpha that gives no gifts. The best of those is alpha that gives gifts in an alpha way.
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Your boyfriend has lots of money, and despite the fact you find him repulsive, you still let him fuck you in his own ackward repulsive way… because he buys you stuff.
sex in exchange for money is prostitution
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Or maybe im just a chick in a relationship without good sex. I wouldn’t be the first.
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“He had me blow him while he filled out the order on a tablet.”
So did you swallow?
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Come on. Im not 15. What else is supposed to happen at the end of that?
…..please don’t actually answer that on second thought.
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> “What else is supposed to happen at the end of that?”
Facial FTW.
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I would have thought you might gargle…though some chicks swear by semen as a boon to the complexion.
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Gargling somehow does not strike me as sexy.
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I notice you’re silent about the complexion thing…
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I do stuff like that all the time. I get a lot of blow jobs too.
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Like my ex who bought me a piano- we picked it out in a store but he put the purchase order in online. He had me blow him while he filled out the order on a tablet.
Her idea of romance was roses on a piano…
His was tulips on an organ.
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I lol’ed.
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And somehow I ended up playing the flute.
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And then there was that one time at band camp?
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So basically this guy who pretty much paid a few thousand dollars for a blowjob is considered “alpha” in your world.
And this is why we don’t listen to hamsters.
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He got all the blowjobs he wanted regardless. One day he offered to buy me something nice just because he felt like it. He often liked to show off the fact that he had money to burn.
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You’ll never hear of a woman reading here calling her BF a beta.
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I call mybf a beta on this blog all the time.
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Relationship game is a fine balance, that’s for sure. Even the most iconoclastic/liberal women are conformists of the worst sort when it comes to some of our culture’s most banal relationship traditions. Women never grow out of that 8th grade mentality where you think that everyone is constantly watching and judging you. EG, a woman might not really care about Valentine’s Day, but she doesn’t want her coworkers to think her man is poor or neglectful because she’s the only one without flowers on her desk.
Make it clear that there will be no “six month anniversary” or “sweetest day” celebration or any other such nonsense, but keep in mind Valentine’s, Xmas, and her birthday. Those are the big three.
Gifts should be personal in nature. Only betas flock to Jared to get some stupid necklace they saw advertised. Most women resent that sort of gift. For last valentine’s, I had a carpenter buddy help me build an ornate picture frame, which I placed a photo of I and my partner holding our daughter. It went over better than a lot of my friends’ expensive gifts to their girlfriends/wives.
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I guess I’m challenging your premise that these day to day comfort-building and relationship-nurturing things have to necessarily be done in a beta, white-knighting way.
[CH: That’s not my premise.]
For example, let’s say you’re getting her a gift. You can present it to her with terrible posture, failing to make eye contact, and then ask her for some needy reassurance “I hope you like it…”
But I can also think of a number of ways that you could present a gift to a girl in a confident, seductive, or cocky way, with amused mastery.
[There’s the way the gift is presented, and there’s the frequency of gift giving. Both are liable to besmirch a man with the beta stink if not properly calibrated.]
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Do stuff like leave it in a place she’ll find it and when she gets all weepy tell her you’re so glad she’s not pissed about the gift for your girlfriend. You have no idea how she could have found it you hid it so well. Then smile and kiss her. Second on the frequency and how the gift is given. Don’t spoil her. If she’s hot, she’s had her ass kissed all her life. Such women crave men who are sceptical of them.
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“Such women crave men who are sceptical of them.”
In what way?
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It’s not about posture, it’s about purpose. Posture follows purpose. You’re not a clapping seal putting on a show for her, emoting this way and that according to her whim or pleasure or pain thresholds. You don’t adjust tone and attitude to soften the blow, mostly because the mere manner/style of your action conceals nothing. If anything, false postures accentuate the fakery, like someone straining their cheek muscles to smile, smile, SMILE. Your attitude must proceed from something true.
There are reasons you are not a big gift-giver: Your presence is already a gift. The gift. You give her the ability to act according to her nature, your strength is the safety within which she can be a woman in full. You are the benefactor of her freedom. This is not a pep-talk in the mirror; this is simple, blunt truth.
Superficial adjustments — the “way[] that you … present a gift” — is icing on the cake. You are focusing too much on surface mimicry rather than the principles which animate those external alpha signs. I reeeeally wanna give her this gift and gush over it and let my heart burst, but I have to verify my voice tone (check), my posture (check), my aloofness (check), etc. etc. etc. so that she doesn’t take me for a puss.” If the checklist even exists you’ve already lost. You’re already the puss, just dressed up in a real Daddy’s clothes.
No, not ever, never ever.
In fact, I have no ability to even imagine that approach. You start leaning anywhere in that direction and you will practically see her vulva shrivel into a permanent cringe. The faintest whiff of weakness is to her like sucking “just the head” of a dick would be to you. It’s a potent dab of skunk under two cans of Fake Alpha Body Spray (by Axe™).
“Comfort-building … relationship-nurturing …” Do you hear what you’re saying? You’re even using the Oprah lingo of women’s magazines.
The dirty little secret of those magazines is that the “beta, white knighting way” “nurtures” the opposite of “comfort building.” A woman is not put at ease when you act like a chick. It subconsciously throws them off, no matter how much they strain to smile and force themselves to think “how sweeeet!!! :):):),” the fire goes out. They need you to remain the alien other, unfathomable and mysterious, forever their opposite and missing half. Don’t compliment. Complement.
Matt
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Well said Matt, that’s the kind of real shit I wanna learn. Recommend any books? Email me Necorochi@yahoo.com
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FindAMentor@RightNow.cum
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It’s not only what he says, it’s the way he says it.
Even when one doesn’t agree, the mere reading is an education in style.
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Don’t be distracted by the language…I was attempting to restate what I interpreted as CH’s premise in his post. I thought he was making it sound like comfort-building (again, not my term) was an innate skill that European males possess, white knighting and relationship nurturing and such. I was challenging that premise, not agreeing with it.
Regardless of what you call you it, if you want to have a mental/emotional connection with a woman (or any human being), you have to learn how to interact with them on a day-to-day level, and relate to them and their life. I do not believe that this has to be as a supplicating beta white knight. I like where you’re coming from theoretically with the complement vs. compliment mindset. And I also have learned through experience that it is essential not to get too close emotionally…you have to maintain that mystery and sense of being a challenge. Those are good big picture thoughts, but I want to know about how you actually DO interact with a woman on a day to day level without backsliding into these beta tendencies. Have you been married? Are you in a LTR now?
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No, that is the method to becoming their equal and friend, not their complement, mate, and leader. Nature made the sexes deliberately inexplicable to the other as a means of encouraging their consummation. Otherwise we would want to have sex with our buddies.
Sex is domination and submission. By saying you have to “relate to them and their life” is like saying you occasionally have to imagine what it’s like to have a vagina and be penetrated.
What can I say? It’s an automatic thing, a way of life. It’s hard for me to imagine which behaviors would strike you as contrary to a “mental/emotional connection.” It seems most of those behaviors have been catalogued agreeably by this website — commanding, decisive, stoic, aggressive, competent, strong, willful.
I tell women what I like and they either rush to accommodate or argue a bit, capitulate, and then accommodate. Or they get pissy and retreat to the comforting prejudices of feminism, until I come around again. I have sustained some of these relationships since high school (if that’s what you mean by “LT”). The usual sequence is one taste and addicted.
I don’t say it to boast; I say it because women are starving for unyielding men of strength and confidence. You can be Mr. Alpha Superhero 99% of the time to your wife, but guess which part of you her hypergamy urges her to judge you by. She will fixate on the 1% lapse (or in your case, the deliberate strategy!) and use it as an excuse for her to follow her bliss.
There are no chinks in my armor — but it’s not such a big deal to say that, in reality. Under feminist nitpickery, it is a capital offense to make such a claim, and insofar as you believe it impossible, you are aligning yourself with their world view. It is not impossible, in fact it is quite easy and normal to be 100% once you purge yourself of the propaganda that would have you mix 1% dogshit into your bowl of ice cream. The real question is a simple, Why would you do that?
Matt
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“She will fixate on the 1% lapse (or in your case, the deliberate strategy!) and use it as an excuse for her to follow her bliss.”
Please elaborate more about this.
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It’s like news stories. “If it bleeds, it leads.” They report the bad stuff, the 1% crime rate rather than the 99% peace rate.
She won’t remember all the times you were strong, she will fixate those few moments you were weak — all the more memorable by their rarity. A woman’s hypergamy conditions her to keep looking for better, and she will rationalize her urges by never forgetting your mistakes. So don’t make them.
And especially don’t show weakness on purpose, in the misguided strategy of softening your edges. That would be like a pretty girl cutting scars on herself whenever she thought she was overdoing “the whole beauty thing.”
Matt
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It’s amazing how powerful a woman’s memory is for the downside… in direct proportion to their early Alzheimers for the good past.
You’ll find that wives have such good memories for “that time that you…”, she’ll actually be able to recall things that never even happened.
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“It doesn’t matter.”:
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THIS. This is exactly the kind of advice I am asking for.
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Im looking forward to this as well. Landed a hottie and have been with her for about 4 months. Def need some pointers on good game at this point. My only real tactic to nullify dread level 10 has been to just manhandle sexually mid argument
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Are you the same guy who posted a while back regarding dating the hottie who was giving u shit for going on a cruise or vacation.? If so, how’s that been going?
I learned a good bit from yours and the follow up comments to that situation.
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Yeah, been going good. I get the standard female mood swings on occasion but nothing too insane.
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Be flirty with other women, especially hot ones. Keep them mildly jealous all the time.
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That’s a stupendous start. You don’t have much to worry about, just keep her on her toes. Eschew “tactics,” hone attitude.
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Yeah, the biggest thing I get stumped on is responding to “you don’t even care”. I’ll wait until CH posts tomorrow to go into detail.
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“No, I don’t.”
or
“And?”
Most important, though, is knowing that these lines are not incantations that do their magic regardless of who you otherwise are. It’s not “hocus pocus” or “open sesame.”
Those words have to be the succinct summation of the man you have already demonstrated yourself to be, pointed reminders, the tip of the iceberg that make her remember the 7/8ths the world doesn’t see at any given moment.
It will take plenty of her shit-testing and her trial and error before the laconic jabs work efficiently.
Matt
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This was a good post…. I guess.
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Dear Heartiste
I need help.
I tried to ask for this chicks number and escalate, tried to get a day 2 and it’s working somewhat but she is somewhat evasive, I guess I didn’t build enough attraction? She seems DTF. How should I proceed, she gave me the green light pretty much, here it is.
P.S. This is a different girl from the comment from “Big Mistake”
Me: I don’t think we should get to know each other.
Her: Uhm then why message me?
Me: We just wouldn’t get along, you wouldn’t take my shit, I wouldn’t take yours, etc.
Her: Why’d you message me?
Me: Because were to much alike.
Her: Hahha how so?
Me: We both like sex. ( I started online dating and Mass messaged a shit load of girls with this routine but I was bored and said this.(Usually girls don’t respond to this type of shit online.) )
Her: I am laughing so hard rn.
Me: Who do you think cheats more in relationships, girls or guys?
Her: I think it’s about the same it’s just broadcasted more when a guy does it.
Me: I read this article on yahoo news yesterday morning about this guy who was raising his kid, come to find out, it wasn’t HIS.
Her: That’s scary. I’d be so upset.
Me: That’s not you? (Joke neg)
Her: No
Me: Ha
Her: 🙂 go on anything I’m thinking about deleting my account.
Me: You have that look my mom warned me about.
Her: Haha what?
Me: Sweet and cute in public, sex-crazed maniac in private…
Her: Lol I’m confused
Me: If you promise to behave we’ll go for a drink… Don’t embarrass me…
Her: I would never
Me: Your buying
Her: It’s you’re
Me: What’s your #
Her: 1-321-4getit 😉 (Whatever the fuck that means, so I redirected)
Me: Ha ha do you do this to all your boyfriends? (Boyfriend frame)
Her: I don’t really date 😉 (Insinuating she want’s to fuck?)
What did I do wrong?… How can I improve?
Brutal truth me.
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Youre too.much alpha caricature. Its overkill…overall, youre chasing way too hard. If its online you should be going for the meet. The goal here is to get them out. Have you been out w her? If this is strictly you met her online and not in person, then some playful banter would be fine, then going for the meet. Thats the goal, there is no use to technologicaly w girls besides getting them out…and possibly building comfort (which is a tricky thing thru text as it is). Also i dont think youre grasping the concept.of frame. When u say boyfriend frame. The frame here is that youre pursuing her, and barraging her with alpha posturing. Girls arent dumb. Whats most important in text/online communication is your ratio of words to hers….and your response times. When you’re using fewer words than she, and responding slower than her (within reason)…while managing to convey a cool personality (ideally in person beforehand), then youll have the frame. Its what happens between the lines. Frame to me really comes down to…who is the one chasing whos the one pursuing. Its a fine balance.
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Brutal truth: all I have is your picture to go by, but my sense is that your text game seems completely congruent with who you are. You are doing great. If you tried to act like me (mid thirties professional), given your station in life, you would seem pretty square to the girls you’re wanting to hang with. If I acted like you, the girls I date would get the icky “out-of-place old man at the bar” feeling. That’s not to say that you aren’t intelligent, or that I’m bad looking. But you strike me as a younger guy who is looking to have fun, no strings attached, with the hottest girls you can get.
Re your text above. Good job. Doesn’t look like this one is ready, at this time, to hang out with you. But that could change. You weren’t needy and didn’t act butthurt by her rejection. Drop her for a week and then message her again when you’re in a fun mood and don’t give a shit. Play the numbers. If you run this exact game with 10 hotties, I have no doubt that one will take you up on the offer.
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When it gets too alpha, they just look up old orbiters on facebook.
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90% of the day i’m in beta idle. the alpha only comes out when it’s needed. however in the presence of women when i’m out and about, it’s alpha swag all the way.
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Qualifier
however in the presence of hot women when i’m out and about, …
So-so broads don’t bring out the alpha in me at all. OTOH, I notice even that my sex drive shoots up and stays up for a couple of days after I interact with a hot woman.
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point taken. but today’s entitled princess (even a 3-4) thinks they’re a 8.
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point taken. but today’s entitled princess (even a 3-4) thinks they’re a 8.
Doesn’t matter if they do, my sex drive doesn’t agree… so the alpha stays dormant.
Hmm… maybe that’s why fugs who think they’re hot shit always think men are “intimidated” by their “wonderful personalities” and all that BS. Another mystery solved.
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When I say alpha with 3-4’s I mean I go into asshole mode.
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Harry game:
I pretty much like to swag the ugly ones too.
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hairy game
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touche’
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I love how her wordpress says “stealin yet daughters”
nahh dude…all the SOCOM guys are doing that……theyre the true alphas of the military……along with pilots………any combat arms are still alpha……
dudes like you are beta, because you were too afraid to fight on the ground, and just joined for college money and benefits.
sorry man, but when youre gonna post a pic of you with a pistol for the whole world to see….i gotta call you out on
can you even benchpress your body weight
how many barfights have you been in when at port during your navy tours
i would have more respect for you if u did a non combat, but still valuable trade like cryptology or linguistics or cyberwarfare…..but you seem like youare both physically weak, and mentally dumb, if not average….
i could see why you read blogs like this
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sorry man, but when youre gonna post a pic of you with a pistol for the whole world to see….i gotta call you out on
That pic is also epic fail on ALL four of Cooper’s rules of gun safety.
Secure and stow that weapon, swabbie.
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Yeah, I really don’t get this. How is it possible to switch your essence on and off like a faucet?
If you can bench press 400lb, it’s not like you revert to a hollow-chested twerp outside of the weight room. The capacity remains and informs everything you do to some degree, even when it is not being put to use.
I think the disconnect is my regard for “alpha” and “beta.” From day one I didn’t like the categories, I still don’t. To me they are better translated as strong-manly-dominant vs. weak-feminine-submissive. Or more ethologically precise, leader vs. follower. Except we christen new terms so that we can keep definitions fluid, inconsistent enough to apply idiosyncratically to any notion. “You’re so beta,” “Is this Alpha?” “Alphas are from Mars, Betas are from Venus”, etc.
Unless you have become deliberately self-conscious about your actions in the attempt to improve them via forced imitation. Is that it? “Is this how an alpha would prepare eggs?” “Am I shoveling the walk like a beta?” And so forth.
Matt
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I go by the “If you have to ask, the answer is ‘beta'” rule.
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OT, but re the updated classification of Euro races, can someone put up a link for proper clothes coloring for each race. No homo. TIA.
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Go with what looks good classically and you can never go wrong.
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It’s more specific than race, based more on your hair and skin tones. IE, a ginger and a blonde, while both still Caucasian, are going to have different palettes that work for them. Google it based on whatever your personal coloring is. Lots of good resources out there.
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I’ve read that red nordid/ white nordid article before and it is total BS. Citations are few and none of them are relevant to what the article is attempting to prove. Physical anthropology is definitely interesting, but if the author of that article is going to make extraordinary claims then they need to have the right citations to back it up.
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I had this ongoing interaction with the girl I’m banging:
Her: I hate you! (playfully)
Me: I hate you more!
Her: I love you!
Me: pause….look at her…. “I know”
She laughs….
This brief interaction helps to put into perspective how girls will want to corner you into committing but secretly want you to game them and push back.
But you can’t be a rock all the time, so being mysterious, surprising, push-pull helps to build comfort.
Comfort becomes easier once you establish your alpha cred and pass a barrage of shit tests.
If you don’t deliver comfort you just come off as a sleazy jerk.
Balance is the key….too much asshole and you’re pushing away….
Too much beta and you’re perceived as weak.
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You know what’s a rock all the time? Rocks.
Yes, you can.
I don’t understand the advice to play-act alpha rather than striving to become one, now and forever, and to concentrate on maintaining status, rather than going through a list of maneuvers and scenarios and tricks when you got your alpha pose on.
Are you a character actor in a dinner-theater troupe? Are you chameleons? Do your really have a gravitational urge to revert to betatude when nobody’s watching?
So, if you “can’t be a rock all the time,” what do you revert to? Squishy sponges? One of the qualities of a rock is its being “a rock all the time” without the slightest lapse over years and years. That consistency damn well defines rockiness.
Matt
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holy shit. wtf. fat girls are using their hamster to write blogs now:
https://adiposeactivist.wordpress.com/
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[…] Bringing Balance To The Masculine Force […]
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Mr. Shaw, alpha male:
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LOZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZLZL
Touche’… and if I may mix my sport metaphors: game, set, match.
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“The ladies *LOVE* me. They don’t like me, they love me.” Watch for the alpha chin thrust at 1:52 and the bravado that shines through.
“Yeah, Shaw legacy lives on. My family stay strong. I make sure we’ll be here for years and years to come.” Again, the upward head nod comes through as he definitively states his reason for creating his slew of bastard spawn.
Certified alpha.
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Mike Judge wussed out re Clevon’s race, but note that the average black American IQ is 84.
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The main obstacle to consistent alpha is loneliness. How do you overcome this pragmatically?
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Loneliness an obstacle?
Shoot, I relish the time I get to spend without the clatter and clutter and general inanity of “social” life.
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White and Cruel Womankind.
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ghey.
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Yeah, that astrum stuff is suspect.
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“Wives and girlfriends will not accept skittles as gifts on a regular basis” – I never get them a gift, they already have me.
“How do you share in the celebration of whatever girl milestones she’s happy about?” – Allow her to suck your dick in celebration if you must
“alpha ways to propose” – don’t exist. A complete contradiction.
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also in this line consider a father’s day post: How to save 10k on IVF
highlight posts about the ovulation cycle and maximizing alpha behavior to increase chances of conception. for example, on the scheduled day, show up late, bang her out hard, talk to her as she were a whore, and leave immediately after sex, no cuddling, just fucking leave.
while not as effective as IVF, certainly cheaper, better for your relationship anyway and on the margin, should produce results. typically, couples considering IVF are at least married and have a discretionary 10k sitting around, and relative to your other writings, are people you want reproducing (who else are you going to hit on in 18 years?). Besides if they do save 10k, i’m sure they could honor your advice with the donation button
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Hello fellow Chateauites.
My ex is getting married. This girl was my first love, my first longer realtionship(it held for about 3 years), a goddamn 9/10…and she had a very sweet and bubbly personality, the fucker;-)
She was six years younger than me… it was perfect – we could have had such beautiful kids together. Anyway, over the course of our relationship I completely betastized, and of course she wouldn’t have any of it – it is amazing and sort of baffling to me how accurately the breakdowns on this site match my own experiences with this girl. A year ago she and her mother(!) let out feelers and sort of let me know that I could marry her – if I went for it. At the time I didn’t feel in control of my own life. I really felt that under no circumstances would I be able to go back to this girl without having fixed myself first. So I took a decision and put myself first, which was probably wise, seeing as she’s now sunk the hooks into anuvver guy.
I even feel a bit sorry for the dude marrying her, because she’s most def going to be a fucking handful for him. I gave her her first orgasms and to tell the truth I’m just pretty goddamn confident that she won’t ever get fucked as good and proper as she did with me. However, I have a massive case of oneitis – it’s terrible. I’m fucking – and have been fucking – other girls, but nothing quite compares…I have to game myself out of this situation!
So, I want to give a shout-out to all the brothers on this site who made me see male-female dynamics in clear, unembellished light, particularly;
CH
YaReally(!)
Gorbachev
Polymath
Scray
and others I have forgotten.
Thanks!
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“I really felt that under no circumstances would I be able to go back to this girl without having fixed myself first.”
It probably won’t feel like it right now while you think about her and this other guy getting married and everything, but down the road this will end up being the most important decision you’ve made in your life.
I can tell you exactly how your life would’ve gone if you went back to her without fixing your shit, and it ain’t pretty.
It takes a while to replace a girl that had that much impact on you, especially if you were beta when you knew her, because everything she did was perfect to you…and now that you aren’t with her, day to day, with red pill knowledge of how women work, she will remain perfect in your memory. The girl you meet tomorrow, you’ll see every little flaw and every spin of her hamster and judge her…but the memory of your perfect girl? She’ll remain flawless and no girl will compare to her.
Two options to try that might help:
1) take a really good hard look at your one iris girl and your relationship and think about her flaws and really take them to heart. Essentially tear down the perfect memory you have of her. Stalk her pics and watch her as she starts to let herself go physically with her new guy. Think about how she molded you into what she “wanted” and then tossed you aside like you were nothing to her not because you did anything wrong but simply because she didn’t give a shit. Remember how breaking up felt and not how lame you were but how cutthroat she was.
2) learn to appreciate other girls. None of your casual hookups will compare to your memory of your first main girl because you’re going to see all their flaws and compare them and girls just aren’t perfect the way they could be when you were less knowledgable. Your oneitis was as flawed as these other girls, you just couldn’t see it at the time and aren’t with her enough to see it now. So learn to find the good in girls you’re with now…every girl has some good qualities and some bad ones but we tend to gloss over the good ones because we’re focused on the bad ones to protect ourselves from wasting our time or getting hurt etc. Is any girl you meet going to seem as perfect as your oneitis did? Probably not, because you’re viewing the world more realistically now…but a lot of girls you meet can be pretty awesome in a few categories even if they’re not great or lacking in other categories.
In a way it would almost have been better for you to go back to your oneitis, so you could see how flawed she really is. A memory will be perfect forever.
Good luck! We’ve all been there. You made the right decision for yourself, ultimately. That will be clear way down the road.
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Also 3) hit on hotter girls and screen harder for qualities you want in a girl. You’re not going to replace your perfect girl if you bang 100 average 6-8s who drink and smoke and have a kid and sleep on a mattress on the floor of their parents’ basement and have a negative outlook on life and are always scraping for money, etc. But if you meet and screen for a handful of legit 9s and 10s who are social and outgoing, don’t drink or smoke, have her own place and social lives and careers/money, have a positive bubbly upbeat caring attitude, and generally have their shit together, etc. you’ll start finding girls that compare to your ex. Then you’ll be with one of these high-quality girls and bump into your ex on the street, grab lunch to catch up, and you’ll wonder how you ever had oneitis for her and be thankful you didn’t go back to her.
So look at this as an opportunity to step up the quality of girls you game.
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Wise words, YaReally.
My decisions will lead to the optimal outcome for me. It’s absolutely guaranteed that I wouldn’t be able to hack a marriage with her, being my old, unpracticed self. I was just very aware how that would likely turn out for me, and as you guessed, it was a bleak prospect.
Man, sort yourself out first – set your course and move towards the ideal self envisioned in your mind’s eye. This is important.
I have to say, though, that rolling with a legit turbo has upped my game tremendolously. I do stuff now that I was never able to do before, because I’m generally much more relaxed and outcome independent around women.
Still – as YaReally mentions in the third nugget – one thing is to fuck around with girls that you’re not THAT into, the challenge is to focusedly flirt with girls of my Ex’ caliber. And that still brings the anxiety and gets the butterflies going – which is a good thing;-)
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Christ mang, that avatar, right there to the right…too evocative and muuuch too titsy;-)
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A legit turbo?
Is that a euphemism?
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I’ve been there. Banging a girl a couple points below your ex can make it worse. If she really was hot (8.5 or higher), than it could be a good time in your life to evaluate what exactly is valuable in a girlfriend. Looks are a big one, no question. But was your ex loyal? Did she buy into the team concept, or want you to take care of her all the time? It seems like there is something she’s hoping to get out of marriage, considering she decided she wanted to get married before determining who she wanted to be with. That would be a red flag to me.
Women can have virtue. It’s more than just having a great personality or being smart. Some women are more self-aware than others. Some even have a developed sense of morality. You may not find another 8.5 or 9, but you may end up with a girl that is attractive (7 or higher), who possesses something that your ex did not. Have hope.
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Thanks Sidewinder.
“It seems like there is something she’s hoping to get out of marriage, considering she decided she wanted to get married before determining who she wanted to be with. That would be a red flag to me.”
Yes, and it was to me. But man, it’s incredible to me how calculating women can be, especially when it comes to romance, which is supposed to be their thing – under all the flimsiness they really have a rock-hard pragmatic core.
They’ll crush you, if you let it happen;-)
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I’m just pretty goddamn confident that she won’t ever get fucked as good and proper as she did with me.
Not yet are you a Jedi, young paduan.
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How long as it been since the break up?
Time is a healer, maybe all you need is time.
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“How long has it been since the break up?”
Too long. When we first broke up I literally fell ill. She said she did too. Goddamn, it was traumatizing. Then, for the longest time none of us had the guts to completely kill off the idea of a future spent together(even though she later found the guy she’s now marrying, and I fucked around and just felt frustrated, because she was the ideal and nothing else compared). Then, when she made me the offer – in a very subtle way – I finally let her know that I couldn’t be with her, because I had to protect myself. It was a hard decision, hardest of my life probably, but it was the right decision.
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Hey, glad my misadventures have helped in some way 🙂
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@babysnake
ill echo what YR said. we have been there. haha. Fuck man lemme tell you i dunno how early you are in game where youre at but i feel ya. Somewhere else YR said something about girls you really cared about who end up dumping you…it takes awhile to cleanse yourself of that shit. Good god my ex of 3 years split on me overnight at the beggining of 2011…which led me here (though i think i was reading heartiste prior to the split). The first 6 months i was a fucking mess. Angry and fucking hostile as all god damn hell. I was flailing trying to replace her, and i was digesting red pill wisdom…nothing short of a total reboot of my mental operating system.
It gets better, for what its worth. YR also said something about stalkin her photos as she ages. dude. So i immediately blocked my exs facebook when we split, and for 2 years i left it that way, i wanted no knowledge of who she was fucking or anything. I finally broke and looked….hahahahaha. Dude she looks worse, and shes with this fucking FAT losery ass dude. Not a trace of jealousy when i saw it, no lies. I actually felt sorry for her, it was pretty cathartic. Plus shes fatter and older looking. I felt nothing.
but the imprint of the love i had with her i think remains. guys can puff their chest and shit all they want but when you meet a chick who you have mind blowing sex with, who adores you, and who becomes your ally in life…i think very few guys couldnt get attatched to that. Still, unfortunately womens true nature can rear its ugly head when you get too beta in a relationship. Its what happened to me….and everyone else here haha. so common. thats what comforted me, knowing how common it is.
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Thanks latent sadist.
My experience resembles yours quite a bit, as I guess it would for many here. But, it’s truly for the best – a timely wake-up call. Seeing the whole thing in the right perspective, it totally left me better equipped to deal with women in my life. Shit, I’m even thinking about following Scray’s stellar example, what with the field-reports and whatnot!
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When I think of adding beta elements to a relationship in an alpha way, I am always reminded of this video. Here is a guy nearing 50 reducing a girl 30 years younger than him into a puddle with some singing and some talking.
Okay, he is being romantic, but he is in no way supplicating. He seems to be having fun showing everyone in the room that he has the power to stimulate the female romantic imagination and take it wherever he wants to. (“Leave it to me.”) The woman is almost like a prop to show off his masculocity.
And even though he is creating a romantic vibe that the women are eating right up, if you listen to the lyrics of the song, it is not romantic at all, it is about the lies you have to tell to get into bed.
If you want to know what he really thinks about this song, he explains in this documentary:
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zlzolzozlozl there are actually quite a few songs with very UNromantic lyrics that chicks dig because they are too stupid to actually listen to the words. there is a really really famous one by John Mayer, the best recent example of this of all time….”Daughters”, which chicks literally orgasm over, which is about how chicks are crazy and he’s not sure if it’s their dads’ fault or inevitable. listen to the lyrics of “Daughters” by John Mayer. it’s about “parents don’t let your daughters grow to be crazy like this bitch I’m with right now.” that’s the theme of that song.
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yep…the first lyric is basically “this bitch is crazy but I am starting to realize that it’s got nothing to do with me.” the rest of the song throws in enough romantic sounding stuff to fool the dumb girls, but that song is the biggest joke ever and Mayer, who is high IQ say what u want about him…has to barely be able to stop from laughing when he plays that song live and watches 2,000 hot young women orgasm in the audience after the first 8 notes
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Sorry. I tried to post these vids with the address modified to start at a specific time, but the internet didn’t let me.
First video, relevant part starts at 2:33
Second 3:26
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Being some sort of celebrity is in itself Alpha to an extent.
that is why they can afford to sing some beta lyrics
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Have crooner, will tingle.
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Relationship game is basically
Betas gonna alpha gonna beta gonna alpha
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Dude, no homo, but I miss when you jumped into the fray here. You added some good commentary. The past 6 weeks you add these meaningless 2 word entries. Are you hoping everyone will forget the incident where you posted the pic of the ex GF and fought with that dude? If so, all you need to do is use a different user name. These “great post” comments are meaningless. I’m a greater beta myself…good looking, have some game, get laid but not as often as I’d like. get back in the game. or perhaps you already do this and ahve an alternate name here I don’t know.
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How do we balance that though? New to the game and been reading so much on how to be Alpha, that this post has taken me aback. 3 weeks out of the month go Beta? Confused.
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everyone check out how i am owning feministx and calling her out for he BS
http://feministx.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/focus-on-the-positive/#comments
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I’d bang her… if she weren’t so much of a golddigger.
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I really don’t understand why you feel the need to spend time criticizing a woman you don’t know on the internet. It’s so unkind. I don’t think real Alpha males have time for this kind of thing.
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u mad?
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even simply hanging out – much less commenting – on a girl’s blog is kinda gay. especially if the girl is certifiable.
if you’re gonna beta orbit, at least do it in real life. it’s just slightly less pathetic.
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It all comes back to frame control
http://misterinfinite.com/2013/06/09/frame-control-part-2/
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