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Serial Killer Dies, More Women Mourn His Death Than The Deaths Of A Thousand Beta Males

June 9, 2013 by CH

A reader updates,

So Richard Ramirez dies.  The AP does a write up, and throws in this line:  “Inexplicably, Ramirez, a native of El Paso, Texas, had a following of young women admirers who came to the courtroom regularly and sent him love notes.”

“Inexplicably”? Not to regular visitors of Le Chateau. Chicks dig violent psychopaths, even facially ugly ones like Ramirez.

In other “blast from the past” news, here’s a video of narcissistic serial killer Rodney James Alcala as a contestant on a TV dating show. (no joke)

He won.

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  1. on June 9, 2013 at 11:11 am The Man Who Was . . .

    Alpha:

    (I don’t approve, but it’s true.)

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 12:00 pm Anonymous

      Think about what you’re saying, especially as regards the attendant implications for Game Theory.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 8:22 pm chris

        Yeh, hypergamy destroys societies, what else is new.

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  2. on June 9, 2013 at 11:13 am Robert

    Supposedly, this woman later refused to go out on the required date with Alcala because she got a creepy vibe after talking with him backstage. Someone should have tracked her down and asked her what she found so objectionable about him.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 11:24 am RP

      Unlikely. What’s more likely to have happened is that they fucked like bunnies and then he dumped her and she made up the whole creepyvibe thing.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 11:40 am feministx

      Women won’t prefer an alcala on average. That’s why the world has 1000 times as many betas compared to alcalas.

      He’s a solid good looking dude. But the thing about that is that he’s no Bradley cooper. The way he looks is very violent alpha. His looks are in harmony with what he’s done. And yes, that’s why he is attractive.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 11:47 am everybodyhatesscott

        Yeah, that’s why. We had institutions controlled by men to control this type of behavior for thousands of years and stupid chicks like you fought for “choice” so you could get murdered and chopped into little pieces because assholes give you tingles. GBFM is right putting the bible first on his list. The first damn book handles this and we as humans keep deciding to relearn lessons our ancestors figured out thousands of years ago. The west will collapse and we will relearn these lessons and a whole lot of women will be “oppressed” and non-pigmentally challenged will die because of it. Progressivism is a disease and eventually the white blood cells (pun intended) will attack.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 12:13 pm feministx

        I’ve been thinking about the premise that patriatchy constrained female whims and prevented women from folliwing their instincts to prefer violent alpha bad boys. I see very little evidence that this actually ever occurred in the west. In the past thousands of years, western civilization shows little evidence of forced marriage or child marriage being common. Both were common in my culture. The west also did not often have people marrying without knowing each other as my culture did. The west also did not always punish adulterous women. Thus I dont think much was ever being done to constrain female preferences.

        [CH: Those are not the only, nor even the most effective, ways of restricting female sexuality.]

        Most women had children with betas.

        [Now. But this likely wasn’t always the case.]

        Most women have children with betas even more these days due to birth control.

        [There is something to this, which is why GSS surveys that purport to show betas getting the most “action” based on # of children sired are misleading: women get plenty of reproductively-thwarted action with alphas.]

        Women liking alcala is not representative of a wide scale reproductive pattern in the modern era.

        [It’s enough of a trend to make accurate generalizations about women’s sexual preferences. Think shifted probabilities: while most women aren’t interested in pursuing serial killers, enough are aroused by the thought of serial killer love that the probability curve for attraction to jerks is shifted to the right for all women, compared to what that curve would look like for men (preferring, say, “bitchy” women).]

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm everybodyhatesscott

        They were called “shotgun weddings” for a reason. Alphas got laid but they were literally threatened with death if they didn’t marry the chick they knocked up.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 8:14 pm Anonymous

        This.

        Thread winner.

        Next thread.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:08 am Anonymous

        Yes this is true. I had a shotgun wedding. My parents had a shotgun wedding and my husband’s parents also had a shotgun wedding. Both my father & father-in-law have strong, masculine characters.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:09 pm corvinus

        In the West, there was something called the Catholic Church, which allowed more or less free choice of mate but also punished bad behavior via the confessional, or otherwise made it clear that bad persons would suffer in the afterlife.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Of course they don’t hold any worldly power.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 6:23 pm feministx

        “Think shifted probabilities: while most women aren’t interested in pursuing serial killers, enough are aroused by the thought of serial killer love that the probability curve for attraction to jerks is shifted to the right for all women, compared to what that curve would look like for men (preferring, say, “bitchy” women).]”

        I am not sure what is on this spectrum. Is it just degrees of jerks, or is this spectrum not about jerks entirely? It might be that violent criminals show displays of willing aggression, which is what arouses women. In that case, professional atheletes would be displaying some of the same attribute that makes this serial attractive to some small minority of women.

        Men do not seem to be on a comparable spectrum. Their preference for female personalities seem to be very broad and bland. Some men have a strong preference for docile and sweet women. Some men have a strong preference for dominatrixes that will beat and humiliate them.

        I think attraction to Ramirez is deviant and pathological, not an extreme manifestation of an average preference. I say this while being very attracted to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. I remember listening to the radio when he had eluded the cops once again to hide in a boat. When the cops came to shoot at him en masse, he shot back so much that the cops retreated even though he was bleeding and had been without sleep for a long time. I’ll admit, I recall feeling physical gina tingles in my body when this announcement came up.

        Attraction to Dzokhar to me is a manifestation of a normal preference. He could at least theoretically be an underdog fighting for a cause greater than himself. He reminds me of some dark hero created by Lermentov, complete with romantic fatalism of the caucasus.

        Attraction to Ramirez seems like it is not the same thing to me. That seems kind of like a variation on sociopathy in itself. It’s akin to the men who like 400 lb women.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 9:43 am goodspeed

        “I think attraction to Ramirez is deviant and pathological, not an extreme manifestation of an average preference.”

        ” I say this while being very attracted to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.”

        “Attraction to Dzokhar to me is a manifestation of a normal preference.”

        …..

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 2:04 pm feministx

        “” I say this while being very attracted to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.”

        “Attraction to Dzokhar to me is a manifestation of a normal preference.””

        Yes. Exactly. It’s like men are normally attracted to innocence and youth, so it is a manifestation of a normal preference to be attracted to a 14 yr old who is 3 years into puberty but compeltely abnormal to be attracted to an 11 yr old who has not yet menstruated. The difference may seem small- only 3 years, but it is tremendous in implication. Similarly, I think it can be normal to be attracted to one kind of dangerous violent guy and pathologically deviant to be attracted to another even though the differences to an outsider may seem small or unimportant.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 5:43 pm OralCummings

        Unbelievably stupid;you have no feeling for the dead and wounded,nor no desire to “get” the dirtbag!

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 7:33 am Just Saying

        “Most women had children with betas.”

        I would say this is categorically wrong, and that most women had children with alphas that they passed off as the spawn of betas for monetary gain and support. I base this supposition on my life, since I have fathered a number of children, all of which are supported by a beta who thinks he is the father.

        So, until such a time that DNA tests are mandated and we can see exactly how many of those off-spring are actually genetically linked to the beta, I’ll stick by what I have seen and experienced in my life.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 7:37 pm dave843

        I don’t support institutions that forcefully control adults. I just wish that irresponsible female sexual behavior wasn’t forcefully subsidized by government welfare programs.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 12:35 pm Matthew King

        The average woman expressing her interest in serial killers is of very low sexual value. They will risk themselves and take the man of power with massive complications because it is their only access to power.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm Hugh G. Rection

        What power does a man serving life in prison or waiting for his execution really have?

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 9:28 am Matthew King

        Not power per se but rather the secondary signs of power, which is sufficient to dupe women, who, besides being defensively unequipped, are actively seeking to be duped.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 5:35 pm OralCummings

        He is hideously Inidian looking–not your kind,I mean the Mexican kind! I looked at that lantern jawed girls face as he walked around the partition,to me it looked like she was less than enthralled by his “appearance”.(What she gonna tell her parents?)

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  3. on June 9, 2013 at 11:14 am necorochi

    Most serial killers hold no social norms.

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  4. on June 9, 2013 at 11:18 am RP

    Well well well. What do we have here? More confirmation? As if it’s needed!

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  5. on June 9, 2013 at 11:22 am oogenhand

    Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    WHY ugly fuckers need violence to get laid.
    https://oogenhand.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/ugly-fuckers-need-violence-to-get-laid/

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  6. on June 9, 2013 at 11:26 am The Man Who Was . . .

    Alcala won the show, but apparently the woman started to find him creepy and refused to go out with him. He succeeded in attraction and failed in comfort.

    Buuuuut, here’s the thing, he _did_ succeed in attraction, which is a lot farther than most beta boys get. No fear, it’s the psychopaths great advantage. If he’d have learned to mimic being more normal in comfort, he would have been unstoppable.

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  7. on June 9, 2013 at 11:30 am Taco

    I’d bet a paycheck that his “banana” got “peeled” by the end of the date.

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  8. on June 9, 2013 at 11:41 am Serial Killer Dies, More Women Mourn His Death Than The Deaths Of A Thousand Beta Males | Viva La Manosphere!

    […] heartiste.wordpress.com […]

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  9. on June 9, 2013 at 11:41 am everybodyhatesscott

    Jokes on us. We still let women vote.

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  10. on June 9, 2013 at 11:41 am thwack

    There is nothing “alpha” about a serial killer. If white women worshiped niggers, would you try to act like one?

    (((shakin my head)))

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 11:48 am everybodyhatesscott

      Stealing shit and being lazy does have a certain appeal. Fucking land whales, not so much.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm corvinus

        Having to pay child support to 20 different land whales, even less so.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 4:06 pm Hugh G. Rection

        yeah those 8 bucks a pop really cut into the crack budget.

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 8:23 am Georgia Boy

        The key is not to have much of anything to take. Remember Tayvon the prison gang leader? Now there’s a guy with not one reason in the world to wrap it up. He fathers a child, that’s your and my problem, not his.

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 3:33 pm corvinus

        I suppose there’s a certain logic to that.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm Starets

      Maybe you could put together an online course to teach the rest of us how to use Voodoo to game chicks. lols

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:03 pm everybodyhatesscott

        Rohypnol and rape isn’t vodoo

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 2:37 pm realmatt

      You haven’t noticed the many wiggers of the world?

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  11. on June 9, 2013 at 11:54 am zmbikilr

    In other news, WebMD concedes narcs get the girl

    http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20130530/in-dating-game-narcissists-get-the-girl?page=1

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm WhoCares

      Repped brah xD

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  12. on June 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm Bob Wallace

    The attraction to serial killers and other violent men is a documented mental illness, and men who kill and mutilate women and then have sex with their body parts (which is what most serial killers do) are not “alphas,” contrary to the delusions of ignoramuses.

    [CH: Well then, it’s a mental illness that almost entirely afflicts women, particularly young attractive women.]

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 12:15 pm everybodyhatesscott

      Well then, it’s a mental illness that almost entirely afflicts women, particularly young attractive women.

      Just like Stockholm syndrome. Seriously, how do they not manage to mention the original people were chicks. I’d bet almost everyone afflicted with Stockholm syndrome are chicks but if you google it, nothing shows up.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 6:13 pm Libertardian

        I did some research on Stockholm Syndrome a while back and as you say it doesn’t seem to be very well documented. Ironically, some of the better writing I found was done by feminazi nutcases claiming that all women suffer from it merely by living on the patriarchal planet Earth. Aside from the insanity of their conclusions, they had some good observations on the subject which of course sounded all too familiar to this Chateau reader.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm Matthew King

      …particularly young attractive women.

      Which serial killers attract fan clubs of “young attractive women”?

      [CH: Joran van der Sloot married a 22 year old. If you’ve spent any time in the field you’d know that it’s almost always the hottest young women who swoon for the excitement of the aloof jerkboy.]

      The fangirls run the gamut from aged plainjanes to the spectacularly heinous.

      [Have you seen old pics of Charlie Manson’s concubines? Some fo them were pretty cute.]

      Women with higher sexual value don’t need to slum prisons to attract men of power.

      [Reread my comment to feministx where I mentioned the concept of shifted probabilities. High SMV women may not indulge in serial killer emotional calisthenics, but they are drawn to the serial killer’s equivalent in the shark-infested waters of upper class white collar wheeling-dealing.]

      For example: Doreen Ramirez née Lioy.

      [What did she look like 20 years ago?]

      I’m looking for hotties who may have pledged their love to Scott Peterson, the killer most likely to have a good-looking fan club, but I can’t find any.

      [ http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/03/23/scott-peterson-attracting-female-fans/ ]

      Matt

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:22 pm Matthew King

        Let me put it another way then. Your theoretical connection between imprisoned serial killer and “aloof jerkboy” is tenuous.

        Who is denying the principle of “chicks dig jerks”? Not me. I’m saying the chicks who dig stone-age human-filth like Ramirez are the girls of low sexual value who cannot attract the mere jerks.

        [CH: It’s not the killing or the pile of dead bodies chicks love. It’s the attitude that the killers possess which draws em in like flies to shit. This is why Manson had a harem before he actually started directing his flock to murder. Now, the principle of shifted probabilities means that women at their most estrogenic are, in general, attracted to assholes of varying assholish degree and that this degree of attraction can be represented on a bell curve. But the attraction won’t be focused solely on serial killers; that’s just the tip of the idberg, so to speak. The far right tail.]

        In other words, while it is true that jerkiness is attractive, it is not therefore true that the jerkier you are the more attractive you are. This is because you are not taking the principle one level deeper: it’s not the jerk women like, it’s the independence and strength as demonstrated by his jerkiness which women like. Women aren’t intellectually precise; they don’t make fine distinctions between salutary power and destructive power. They just know how to tingle in the presence of it.

        Here is the 22-year-old mestiza potato sack whom van der Sloot is marrying:

        Lioy looked like a thick, homely, 41-year-old librarian twenty years ago.

        [Remember the American slut Sloot spelunked which landed him in prison? She was a looker. And she was in his company because she was drawn to his… ahem… vitality.]

        Better than Leydi Figueroa Uceda van der Sloot.

        No pictures attached to that Scott Peterson link, I saw that story.

        Matt

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm Matthew King

        [It’s not the killing or the pile of dead bodies chicks love. It’s the attitude that the killers possess which draws em in like flies to shit.]

        We agree.

        We disagree about the relative importance of this variable in the formula of attraction, and we disagree what precisely about “the attitude” women are attracted to. You want to assign a moral value to that attitude — “bad” boy, “killer”, jerk, “asshole.” I am saying the value is morally neutral.

        The ends to which the power is applied is too far beyond a woman’s emotional world for her to make any rational decision about it — she just feels. She is looking for signs of power wherever she can find them, and her mind is too fogged and fantasy-seeking to know or care how that power is used.

        Matt

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:18 pm Scray

        That’s a great insight, about power.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm slumlord

        Danger is an aphrodisiac.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 9:52 pm chris

        Another interesting study is this;

        http://www.epjournal.net/articles/menstrual-cycle-changes-in-mate-preferences-for-cues-associated-with-genetic-quality-the-moderating-role-of-mate-value-2/

        In short, hot women want it all, all the time.

        Also; it’s the ugly women who’ll try and cuckold their partner, as hot women won’t lower themselves to partner up with a cuckold-worthy partner in the first place.

        “The study replicated the influence of the menstrual cycle on women’s mate
        preferences found in the extant literature. With both the implicit and explicit measures, women during the fertile part of their cycles associated more positivity with characteristics linked to quality genetic material. Further, the findings provide partial support for the main hypotheses that low mate value women would have more pronounced changes in preferences across the menstrual cycle. When the implicit measure was examined, women low in mate value had weaker positive implicit associations with characteristics associated with high quality genetic material when they were in the less fertile part of their cycle and, alternatively, with women higher in mate value this reduction in positive associations during the less fertile part of their cycle did not occur. These results are congruent with the proposition that a mixed mating strategy (pursuing short-term relationships with high genetic quality males while maintaining long-term relationships with a lower genetic
        quality male) would be most adaptive for low mate value women who are unable to obtain mates that are high in both genetic quality and resources.
        That is, for low mate-value women, increased attraction to characteristics associated with high quality genetic material during the more fertile part of her cycle would facilitate this strategy. Contrary to the expectations, the study did not find the moderating effect of mate value when explicit responses were measured. Both high and low mate-value women expressed an explicit preference for muscular arms.”

        The above study also ties in well with this one;

        http://www.epjournal.net/articles/what-do-womens-advertised-mate-preferences-reveal-an-analysis-of-video-dating-profiles/

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 8:08 am Anonymous

        Heartiste –

        I don’t have time to wade through this sub-thread to try to figure out just what you & MK think you are disagreeing about – sorry, I got way too many problems in my own life right now to deal with the nuances of this tete-a-tete of yours – I just wanted to add a brief observation from what I think might be the Darwinian Nihilist’s point of view.

        But first, from the Romantic’s point of view: There are two kinds of killing, the legitimate kind, which is called “War” [the Papists would call it “Just War”], and the illegitimate kind, which is called “Murder”.

        Now I know that down through the centuries, armies and their commanding officer corps have had a great deal of difficulty determining whether their enlisted men would actually kill for them [when the orders finally arrived to do so].

        And in the 20th Century, a new subdiscipline of military psychology [or military psychiatry] emerged, which sought to identify the conscripts who were psychologically unable to kill.

        For instance, the purpose of “basic training” amongst the Marines and the more serious units of the Army was not so much to prepare the conscripts to fight and win a war, as it was an attempt to break the spirit of the conscripts, so as to identify those conscripts who would necessarily experience a total psychological breakdown on the battlefield [curling up in the fetal position, sucking their thumbs, and calling out for their mommies, in an essentially catatonic state].

        Indeed, in “basic training”, once the drill sargeant has “broken” a conscript, suddenly all the yelling and the screaming and the humiliations cease immediately, the medics are called in, the broken conscript is whisked off to the hosptial, he’s given a psychiatric discharge, and he’s never heard from again.

        Similarly, it has been said that the reason for upgrading from semi-automatic weapons [like the venerable M1-Garand killing machine] to automatic weapons [like the glorified BB gun known as the M-16] was because psychological studies had shown that only a small portion of any battlefield unit will actually stand their ground and shoot purposefully at the enemy, whereas most conscripts can be trained to at least empty one fully automatic “spray” of their magazines before they drop their rifles and flee the battlefield in terror.

        [This is especially true of Muslims and the AK-47, btw, especially if the targets are nothing more than defenseless women and children.]

        Point being that there are, by nature, some guys, at the one extreme, who will stand and fight, to the death, if necessary, for a just cause, but that there are also some guys, at the other extreme, who are of such extremely fragile psychologies, by nature [or by nurture, or by both], that they won’t [or CAN’T] summon the gonads to fight FOR ANYTHING AT ALL.

        And my guess is that the Darwinian Nihilists would say that a woman is wired to be sexually attracted to the men whom she senses are prepared to kill, if necessary – with the assumption being that her ovaries are seeking out precisely the men who would kill to defend her and her children from “The Other”.

        [Remember, when the new King of the Jungle displaces the old King as Ruler of The Pride, his first act is to systematically murder all of the cubs which had been sired by the old King.]

        The obvious problem here, though, is that many women’s ovaries just aren’t sufficiently sophisticated to distinguish between the man who would kill legitimately [the warrior] and the man who is consumed by the desire to kill illegitimately [the psychopath].

        Now, again, I’m not a Darwinian Nihilist – I’m a Romantic – so in the battlefield scenario, I would distinguish between the man who chooses to exercise his freedom of the will to act courageously, and the man who chooses to exercise his freedom of the will to act cowardly.

        But the Darwinian Nihilists would say that there is no freedom of the will, that it’s all burned into the genes, and that the qualities which we silly romantics imagine to be courage or cowardice are nothing more than the trivia of “DNA mathematics” which were ensconced in a man’s nature at the time of his conception.

        And, futhermore, I’m confident that they would also hold that the distinction between the propensity for “legitimate” -vs- “illegitimate” killing are just way too sophisticated for a womans’ ovaries [and her pituitary gland and her adrenal glands and whatnot] to calculate in the heat of the moment of sexual lust.

        If those distinctions could ever be calculated at all – some of the more cynical of the Darwinian Nihilists would say that women NEVER have to suffer from bouts of rational self-contemplation.

        And of course, a completely honest Darwinian Nihilist [if there could be such a thing, which there can’t, but if there could be such a thing] would hold that there isn’t even a distinction to be made between “legitimate” killing and “illegitimate” killing.

        That, at the end of the day, there is only killing.

        Kill, and survive, or be killed, and perish.

        But, again, I’m not a Darwinian Nihilist.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 9:14 pm chris

        I thought it might be worthwhile to re-bring up this study;

        Women are attracted to men with appetitive aggression (i.e. a lust for violence).

        http://www.epjournal.net/articles/female-attraction-to-appetitive-aggressive-men-is-modulated-by-womens-menstrual-cycle-and-mens-vulnerability-to-traumatic-stress/

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 2:17 pm n/a

      http://bitchesloveramirez.tumblr.com/

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:19 pm n/a

        http://bitchesloveramirez.tumblr.com/page/4

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm n/a

        That tumblr is informative. Spend some time.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm Matthew King

        1) As Wallace says above, you have to control for straight-up mental illness and its lesser manifestations, like those which inspire whole-body tattoos.

        2) There is a category difference between sending out safe Instagram fantasies and putting oneself in actual danger, much less agreeing to marriage.

        3) I am not denying the darkness of pure distilled hypergamy. I am saying we must take into account all of the many other factors of attraction beyond weapons-grade estrogen.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:48 pm n/a

        If to be female is to be “mentally ill” by the standards of the male mind, then, yes, may of the inked and clinked, fat-titted teens that love Ramirez are nuts; however, it seems to me that most of them are entirely normal young girls, often of the sizzlingly hot-cunted variety.

        It’s just how they are. If one clicks through that amiably demented tumblr, one will be vouchsafed proof to the point of hilarity.

        The real “dark traid” is the one between a woman’s legs.–

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm n/a

        *triad

        *trade

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:00 pm Matthew King

        … most of them are entirely normal young girls, often of the sizzlingly hot-cunted variety.

        Your lurid fantasy world is affecting your judgment of the real.

        Blog compilations are proof of nothing general.

        http://www.airsicknessbags.com/all-bags.html

        [CH: An ugly far right tail leads an entire sex’s chunky middle bell curve closer to the abyss.]

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:11 pm n/a

        The world itself, in its joyous permutations of sleaze, is lurid beyond the fantasies of Sade.

        Let’s examine the fantasia of WS:

        Behold yond simpering dame, whose face between her forks presages snow, that minces virtue and does shake the head to hear of pleasure’s name. The fitchew, nor the soiled horse, goes to ’t with a more riotous appetite. Down from the waist they are centaurs, though women all above. But to the girdle do the gods inherit; beneath is all the fiends’. There’s hell, there’s darkness, there’s the sulfurous pit— burning, scalding, stench, consumption! Fie, fie, fie, pah, pah!—Give me an ounce of civet, good apothecary, to sweeten my imagination. There’s money for thee.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm Matthew King

        Not exactly Shakespeare, is he? He is one of Shakespeare’s characters, a broken, impotent old man gone mad and filled with sorrow and cynicism.

        And what precipitated his destructive madness? His daughter’s simple honesty in love, the opposite of her sisters’ lurid stroking.

        The play in full indicates Shakespeare’s lesson, and given that he ended his main character in tragedy, he characterizes the manner with which his audience should regard Lear’s insane ramblings too.

        “O matter and impertinency mixed! Reason in madness!”

        So women are “Centaurs” “down from the waist.” This is good to know, no, vital to know. It is the chief subject of this forum, let’s explore it. But to regard “hell … darkness … [and] the sulphurous pit” as the final, irreducible state of woman is to give full cynical voice to “impertinency” and none to “matter.”

        Matt

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 4:21 pm Matthew King

        [CH: An ugly far right tail leads an entire sex’s chunky middle bell curve closer to the abyss.]

        You’re misapplying physics to your hypothetical bell curve. There is no gravity or inertia or momentum in graphical representations of statistics.

        Sure there has a shift rightward, but we can’t conclude the edge is going to drag the middle into “the abyss.” If anything, the “chunky middle” would have the heft to yank the extremes back from the precipice.

        I get your point. But maybe the shift rightward is more of a perception than a reality, given how transparent (and easily compiled) pathologies have become on the internet.

        I remember when porn first came online. There was just so much that it seemed like every girl living at some point must have contributed to it. Now, while a greater proportion of women have contributed to the ubiquitous skin show than in the past, I think it’s safe to conclude it’s still well under 100%. Well under 10% — even though any one sample makes it seem like you’ll find nudies of anyone if you only look hard enough.

        Matt

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 4:55 pm n/a

        When Shakespeare wants to deliver himself of his strongest thoughts and emotions, the lines take on a very characteristic lilt. The rhetorical stresses become elaborate and the figures animal and basic when WS prepares his best and harshest, most aphoristic lines. You feel it in the roundedness of the periods. It is the most solemn hum in literature.–

        Lear in that passage is grave, not mad. He is disabused, not confused. Lear has even better lines than his Fool.

        Lear and Hamlet are WS’ great favorites and he gives them his most ravished truths.

        There is evidence everywhere in the text of Shakespeare that he meant what he said about women, in short: beneath is all the fiends.’

        He understood that sex was all and forgave its darkness:

        I pardon that man’s life. What was thy cause? Adultery? Thou shalt not die. Die for adultery? No. The wren goes to ’t, and the small gilded fly does lecher in my sight. Let copulation thrive, for Gloucester’s bastard son Was kinder to his father than my daughters got ’tween the lawful sheets. To ’t, luxury, pell-mell—for I lack soldiers.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:18 am LK

        “There is no gravity or inertia or momentum in graphical representations of statistics.”

        ugh, you’re such an aspie. it’s the wackest thing when autists get into game and start writing their insane manifestos all over people’s walls.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:20 am Inane Rambler

        [CH: An ugly far right tail leads an entire sex’s chunky middle bell curve closer to the abyss.]

        Bit OT, but Chase Amante was basically talking about that. He said the guys with high numbers of notches have probably fucked more ugly girls than most average guys do. In fact the more sex partners a man has, the lower his standards are (Probably the same way for women, incidentally).

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 9:25 am Matthew King

        When Shakespeare wants to deliver himself of his strongest thoughts and emotions, the lines take on a very characteristic lilt.

        Your hermeneutics are faulty at best, postmodern fabrications at worst. And this is positive Bard Blasphemy:

        He understood that sex was all and forgave its darkness.

        Do you not realize that rereading the canon through the lens of contemporary preoccupations (like the sexual revolution) is a cultural Marxist tack designed to destroy the masters? It’s like leaving a cum stain on the parchment of an original folio.

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  13. on June 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

    What it is (yikes! ouch!):

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 12:37 pm Greg Eliot

      It’s a good thing To Kill A Mockingbird is on again this week… I damn near felt a twinge of racism watching Fleece.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 12:49 pm everybodyhatesscott

        It’s a good thing To Kill A Mockingbird is on again this week

        Even after reading the book, I’m pretty sure that banana eater raped her.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:08 pm Greg Eliot

        Naw… let’s be fair now.

        But he did… have the unmitigated temerity… to feel sorry… for a white woman.

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  14. on June 9, 2013 at 1:03 pm Baryshnikov

    Serial killers have lots of groupies, but I doubt many of them are attractive. In fact, many have married, so all we need to do is look at the brides for the proof. Google some pictures of Rosalie Bolin, for instance. (First girl I found.) A 3 at best.

    I’ll grant that there are some alpha characteristics in play that would attract pretty women. A normal (and pretty) girl might get a tingle as she thinks about a serial killer, but that’s the end of it. It it’s truly the violence she gets her thrill from, there are plenty of Chris Browns out there who she can actually have sex with, as opposed to some endless penpal relationship with a guy behind bars. Women who skip the plentiful Chris Browns out there and instead opt for some impossible relationship with a guy on death row are dreamers. Girls who read Twilight and wish with all their heart that they could be swept away with Edward or . . . or . . . or whatever the other guy’s name is. Fat girls, in other words.

    I remember when Phantom of the Opera was a huge hit. Same idea – sexy serial killer, misunderstood by everyone around him, who if only he had a woman who truly loved him, everything would be all right. I read in the paper that Michael Crawford (actor who played the Phantom) had scores of hardcore groupies that would attend as many as a hundred showings, and always be outside his dressing room. I knew a guy who worked at that particular theater, so I made a remark one day that it would be great to be in Michael Crawford’s shoes with all these sexy groupies every day. He laughed and said, “Dude, trust me. You don’t want *these* girls.”

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  15. on June 9, 2013 at 1:37 pm dannyfrom504

    is anyone really that surprised by this. guys on death row get letters from women on the regular.

    dangerous, off-limit boys are pussy magnets. always have been, always will be.

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  16. on June 9, 2013 at 1:59 pm n/a

    Philip Carlo’s book “The Night Stalker” is a book of great intensity:

    http://tinyurl.com/Philip-Carlo-The-Night-Stalker

    The first section of the book is hard to forget. Ramirez was sweating it out in LA flophouses, cranking AC/DC and shooting as much cocaine as he could bang.

    What a demon that one was. Pick up a used copy of this book and read it outside so the text blackens your fingers — nice detailed grease from an unsurveilled, sweet and viciously free America.

    Maybe he’d seen Phoebe coming out of the pool one too many times and decided he needed to live in stereo.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm Anonymous

      I met Philip Carlo when he was researching for this book. He was a friend of my sister’s and was staying in a fleabag motel not far from San Quentin. He let us listen to to some of the tapes of his conversations with Ramirez, and they were truly disgusting to listen to, just the tone of his voice and the way he said the word “Satan.” Couldn’t do it for long, not a good activity for entertainment or to satisfy curiosity.

      Carlo did invite us one night to visit some women who were obsessed with Ramirez, and I swear to God, late at night, on a little residential street outside San Quentin there was a little caravan of parked cars filled with all manner of scary women on some sort of late night love vigil, like a demented little intentional community.

      That freaked me out at the time almost as much as The Nightstalker. This was the early nineties remember, so we had no real general theory of women as the benevolent internet provides today.

      In fact I haven’t even thought about that much until reading this today. Like I blocked it out or something. I’m having a recovered memory! Yay me.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm n/a

        Carlo at his best was a great writer. His book on Richard Kuklinski, aka “The Ice Man,” is gloriously entertaining:

        http://tinyurl.com/Philip-Carlo-The-Ice-Man

        When one wearies of the approved cant of contemporary fiction, there is a delcious, vast, toro-grade underbelly of true-crime non-fiction that realizes the American Scene better than any other genre.

        You were fortunate to meet Carlo.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm Greg Eliot

        When you study evil, even studies you right back.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:38 pm Greg Eliot

        DOH!… evil studies you right back.

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 4:30 pm n/a

        It does; but a fierce heart is hungry to beat with every blood.–

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 9:08 pm Greg Eliot

        Just keep it in your pants, Spartacus.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 1:19 pm n/a

        What do you mean, Greg?

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm Greg Eliot

        Just another jest… fallen flat, alas.

        (it was a take-off on a funny Cagney line in his last starring role)

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 1:37 pm n/a

        There’s pathos in the idea of Cagney’s “last role.”

        You must be talking Wilder not Ragtime.

        My favorite actor.–

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm Greg Eliot

        Yup, Wilder… One, Two, Three.

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  17. on June 9, 2013 at 2:04 pm n/a

    yeah

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 4:31 pm n/a

      That body is perfect and not one remark. Game blog my ass. 😉

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm Canadian Friend

        No her body is not perfect

        Her hips could be rounder, and her breasts bigger

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 5:42 pm Canadian Friend

        Her eyes are not even blue,

        she is not perfect

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm scatmaster

      Way to go Hamilton.

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  18. on June 9, 2013 at 2:26 pm Anonymous

    There is an elegant explanation for why women love demonic men…. because many women are just as evil. Perhaps modernity has been pretty devastating to the female mind?

    What do women think when no one’s looking? What lied behind the fake smile? What dark thoughts linger in their minds? To quote Pee Wee Herman “things you don’t want to know, things you shouldn’t know.”

    If you ever go NSA-style and hack a girls accounts/keylogger software.. you might get a clue.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 2:57 pm n/a

      Yes.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm Canadian Friend

      It is true far more women are evil or fascinated by evil than feminists would have us believe.

      Don’t take my word for it

      here are excerpts from an article at psychologytoday,

      … … …

      >i> “…Moreover, in responding to the question as to whether some men, such as “serial killers, violent offenders, and rapists,” might be too dominant for women to accept, Ogas and Gaddam note: “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, have received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). …”

      “…Consciously, most women would like their men to be kind, empathic, understanding, and respectful. But there’s something in their native wiring that makes a great many of them susceptible to “bad boys.” Possibly because, as the authors quote Angela Knight as reflecting (in a sentiment that echoes the conclusions of most evolutionary psychologists): “[Their] inner cavewoman knows Doormat Man would become Sabertooth Tiger Lunch in short order” (p .97). …”

      “… Ogas and Gaddam find substantial evidence from Web searches, posts, and many 1,000s of romance novels that women demonstrate a strong erotic preference for dominant men. Or toward what’s now commonly referred to as alpha males…”

      … … …

      They also mention the fact women buy far more romance novels where a bad boy abuses people and abuses women ( Fifthy shades of grey is beating all record sales ) than men buy pornographic material

      Women’s lib was supposed to show us how women could be as good as men, but it showed us women are as bad as men if not worse.

      You can read the rest here,

      http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201204/why-do-women-fall-serial-killers

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 6:11 pm Canadian Friend

      Here is more on the true nature of women

      “…For too long many spouses of child molesters have hidden behind the pretense that they were unaware of the crimes going on in their homes. The myth that these women didn’t know of the depravity which played out under their roofs is just that: a myth. Reality tells a different story. The truth is sickening and may be shocking to some readers whereas other readers may have known this all along. …

      In my years of profiling violent crimes, I have found that in the majority of cases that I studied, the spouses knew about the child molestation which was carried out by their spouses. They knew because either the offenders told them or they witnessed the abuse! ”

      Read it here,

      http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201204/what-predators-wives-really-know

      Feminists are lying trough their teeth; women are no sweet angels…

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 8:00 pm Ronin

      ^This.

      I mistakenly overheard one or two “girl talks” by being in the wrong place at the right time,

      -and it was like going from watching an ~Emma Stone marrying Prince Charming on a cloud of unicorn farts in the Fortress of Solitude, to seeing that girl starring simultaneously as Tubgirl and Kim Kardashian in the setting of an Egyptian’s toilet the morning after the big post-Ramadan feast.

      Like that “Models without makeup” photoblog; all spraypaint and lies.

      Underneath that veneer, they are hagfish.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 1:28 pm n/a

        One can’t get too upset about it. They may be fiendish, but it’s very nice to linger around their nooks and crannies.

        Men and women are so different with respect to ideas of morality, honor, loyalty, etc., that we may as well be discussing different species.

        Our generalizing habits confuse us here — your average beta (read: intelligent, responsible) male’s surprising prudery and unsurprising decency confuses him with a vengeance.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 9:40 pm realmatt

      Men and women have thoughts that are evil. I have many day in and day out. I want to murder people for walking too slowly.

      But women also want a man to look up to and a man to blame her behavior on, and a man to lead her. A man just needs a woman to fuck and maybe some company once in a while, so the lack of pairing up makes it appear as though we’re less evil.

      We’re all evil. Every one. All fallen and desperate.

      But I still hate women.

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    • on June 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm AlphaBeta

      Yes… definitely evil https://twitter.com/expsnghghtsm

      You’ll NEVER see this condemned on some feminist blog.

      I’m glad I’m 6’1

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  19. on June 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    He worked for my friend’s uncle; he said they always picked on him and pushed him around. That LA Times article nearly sounded sympathetic IMO.

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  20. on June 9, 2013 at 3:02 pm cynthia

    Slightly different theory. Being romantically attracted to a serial killer (who is safely behind bars) is sort of like being in lurve with a fictional vampire.

    [CH: Women were attracted to Manson before he was behind bars.]

    It’s pure fantasy,

    [Fantasy is a dead giveaway of our true desires.]

    all about the emotions and the vicarious emotional high, without any possibility for danger or having to deal with reality.

    [Many of these psychopathic killers get conjugal visits and marriage proposals.]

    Never underestimate a woman’s desire (or ability) to engage in fantasy.

    [Why the desirous fantasy for killers and not for, say, dutiful provider betas? Rhetorical.]

    Being able to imagine being with your dangerous bad boy sexy alpha is almost as good, or even better, than being with him in reality.

    [There comes a point when the evidence is so overwhelming that women have to woman up, and just admit to themselves and to others that there is an element of female psychosexuality that is peculiar to their sex and highly distasteful to any reasonable moral norm. It’s not the whole story, but it’s enough of a story that, often tragically, the ending can be predicted.]

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 3:17 pm n/a

      There’s never a need for a woman to admit anything, so, happily, nothing will be admitted.

      That’s why it’s so instructive to go into the tumblr-trenches and see what is there.

      Intelligent beta males disbelieve female depravity in the same way they disbelieve the necessity of war.

      I don’t think Steven Pinker, to take one wretched example, would be very willing to admit either reality.–

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 3:23 pm n/a

        [Fantasy is a dead giveaway of our true desires.]

        Yes; and it’s very tedious to hear this supposedly exculpatory canard about “fantasy” ad nauseum from females.–

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 10:28 pm cynthia

        Not excusing anything. Just trying to explain how this works. You can’t look at this from a logical male perspective. Logic has nothing to do with it. B does not follow A. Women place more value on fantasy than they do reality,

        [CH: In the sexual fantasy sweepstakes, I’m not so sure women are more accomplished than men. Ever heard of threesomes?]

        to the point where an objectively horrible reality can be shaped to match a fantasy personal narrative running in her head, but the two things aren’t necessarily connected in any way.

        In the female mind, reality is displaced by fantasy, and fantasy is valued far above objective reality. Something that’s appealing in a fantasy might not necessarily be enjoyable in actual reality. A woman who likes reading about severely underage children being fucked by older men (for example) does not necessarily want to experience that in real life. What’s important is the emotion (in this case, arousal) it evokes, rather than the actual physical act.

        It’s why our porn is written, instead of filmed. And yes, I know it’s horrible, and I’m not making any excuses for it.

        Tumblr’s fucked up. Little girls have there FULL access to the hard-core gay porn being produced by their older counterparts. But you want to see some really disturbing shit? Peruse the “knotting” tag over on AO3. As far as I’m concerned, no man in the Western world has any excuse for not understanding what goes on in a woman’s head, as long as places like that are free for the browsing.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 3:05 am quasi

        Don’t forget the convenient double standard applied to men regarding the it’s-just-fantasy excuse. That is, men don’t get that get-out. Quite the opposite. Men’s fantasies are regularly used against them (or, us, I should say) particularly in the arena of pr0n.

        And, regarding pr0n and what it says about male desire, I think CH himself has pointed out (the blindingly obvious) truth that it’s a reliable guide to what a man finds attractive. The boner doesn’t lie, and neither does the tingle.

        So yeah, women should be called on their retard talk, just like men are. ‘Equality’ is a crock of shit, but it’s useful and amusing to turn the Cathedral’s concepts-as-weapons back upon its worshippers.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:32 am Ophelia

        Hey I’m a woman and I’ll admit it. Here it goes –
        – dated a psychopath at age 18-19, left him as he became violently possessive. Restraining orders that type of thing.
        – next guy I was with was for 4 years, ex-homicide detective from Chile with inexplicable scars on his body. Admitted sleeping with gun under pillow & being a cocaine dealer etc. Nice boyfriend, but actually became beta after some years.
        – As I am *relatively* intelligent & emotionally stable, I switched to ‘beta-males’ (consciously) at age 25.
        – After dating beta-males who were tremendously boring, I still ended up marrying a white-collar man *very high* in dark triad traits who treated me very badly in the early stages of courtship.
        – I am now having his child, which is a boy. And he will be an alpha-male I know it. Which makes me pleased.

        This is just how we are, we can’t help it.

        Oh forgot to mention that my post-grad education is in *forensic psychology* so I have visited psychopaths in jail. They’re not necessarily attractive, but I like the adrenaline rush. Would be similar to a man thinking about being with strippers/prostitutes. Repulsive on one level, hot on another.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 1:35 pm n/a

        Good.

        Now read this:

        http://tinyurl.com/Women-Love-Serial-Killers

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 3:18 pm AlphaBeta

        “They’re not necessarily attractive, but I like the adrenaline rush”

        Since women don’t have testicles to produce the main sex drive hormone testosterone, they get their T from the adrenal glands. Explains why excitement = tingles.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm HR Lincoln

        If you believe it a certainty that your son will grow up to be an alpha male, you are utterly deluded.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm Greg Eliot

      There comes a point when the evidence is so overwhelming that women have to woman up, and just admit to themselves and to others…

      Good luck with that.

      You’ll sooner see giraffe races on the rings of Saturn.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm cynthia

      I’m not saying this as an excuse for any of the morons that fall for these assholes. Nor am I trying to assert that women aren’t really attracted to deviancy – because yeah, we are. Hell, I had a meth-addict, pedophile uncle who managed to snag himself an amazing normal, nice lady. I have girlfriends who like to rub it out to dog porn. Interview With A Vampire didn’t become popular because of Anne Rice’s amazing writing skills, but the homosexual relationship between the male characters. Women have FILTHY minds when it comes to sex.

      But the bottom line always is, FANTASY is far more important to most women than REALITY. Just like most women don’t actually want to get fucked by a dog, most of us don’t actually want to end up with a murderer. But it’s fun to think about.

      These impulses used to be (mostly) managed by a restrictive society, and, as you say, the inevitable ending. Reality was there to override the emotional fantasy, and a woman who wanted an alpha bad boy in the 1800s knew that she was taking on a huge risk, and might be more willing to settle for the beta because it was in her best interest. The problem with the sexual landscape today is that women are insulated from the consequences of their actions, and are free to pursue their interest in deviancy without inflicting social or physical damage to their lives. A guy in prison fulfills the need for fantasy drama without much, if any, real-world risk being assumed. It fits.

      Of course women don’t fantasize about beta providers. Do you fantasize about chubby tattooed girls?

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm n/a

        cynthia,

        The distinction between “fantasy” and “reality” is not sharp. Thoughts are real; they have consequences.

        You are correct that women are *filthy* when it comes to their sexual thoughts and urges, but you are wrong to qualify these thoughts as mere “fantasy.”

        An easy way to make a female come very hard — indeed, to become addicted to one as a lover — is to speak about such things while fucking. Stare at her and encourage these thoughts to be spoken while fucking her well.

        Very few men do this — which is a good thing. What you will hear from a sufficiently saturated female is startling; in fact, many men would be stunned to the point of ending the act.

        There are certain themes that come up again and again, with all women, of all classes, and these themes, once they are allowed to be spoken, flower with great intensity. A woman will fuck, listening rapt to the most depraved narratives imaginable, and for many hours — there will be no thought of stopping. I’ve often felt that they love this activity beyond anything else, and this is especially true of the most beautiful and intelligent women.

        The women reading this know what I’m writing is truth; the men will scoff. The comedy, as always, is free.

        ***************

        Another note on “fantasy.” I’ve often asked females in the heat of this speaking-fucking if they would *do* the things which excite them so much — would they commit or relishingly observe these acts if they were certain they would get away with it. Unpleasant things; unpleasant acts. They have always answered the same way, with a deep and hoarse and definitive yes.

        The reason we see so few females acting on such “fantasies” has nothing to do with them being less inclined to consider these acts as realities, and everything to do with their ultimate fear as women, which is to be exposed, shamed and outcast.

        These is no venue more amoral than a soaking, elated cunt and its associated brain.–

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  21. on June 9, 2013 at 3:45 pm Alexander

    Is’nt it naive branding a small segment of female population who like Dark Traid men claiming all do? Its like saying all Muslims are terrorists even though a subset of them are. What do ya say CH???

    [CH: Are you familiar with the concept of a probability curve?]

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm Greg Eliot

      What?! Okay, who’s the wise guy who forgot to put out the NAWALT sign?

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 4:27 pm Alexander

        I am new to these terms but I Googled it, are you saying not all women are like that sarcastically?

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      • on June 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm Greg Eliot

        Every time there’s a truism to point out that affects or describes all-too-many of a given group, there’s always someone ready to chime in “BUT THEY’RE NOT ALL LIKE THAT!!!”… as if that invalidates the basic premise.

        It’s a tired tactic.

        The best way to describe the situation I found in that meme awhile back, when 50 Shades of Grey was being discussed… in short:

        50 shades of grey

        NAWALT!

        40 million copies sold!

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      • on June 11, 2013 at 8:24 am Canadian Friend

        Correction;

        Over 70 million copies sold

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 4:25 pm Alexander

      Yup I’m familiar with normal distribution can you please elucidate your point though?

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 7:21 pm corvinus

      Its like saying all Muslims are terrorists even though a subset of them are.

      Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has lots of groupies too.

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  22. on June 9, 2013 at 4:40 pm Anonymous

    It’s a certain type of girls who like psychopaths. I often have to pretend to be a normal human being and use a lot of vulnerability game to get laid. I’m too aloof and non-reactive, I just don’t care. One time, a girl said something sad about her life, I replied, “I’m sorry to hear that.” She said, “no you’re not. You’re a psychopath but the good kind of psychopath.” (meaning she was attracted to me.)

    I had a fling with another girl, who told me, “you have no heart or soul.” I later attempted to kill her in drunken stupor. She saw me with two other girls on my arms in a bar, making out, but I screwed up with both of them and brought my fling home instead. We got in a fight and she punched me in the face. I just snapped. I first tried to strangle her then opened the window and tried to throw her out to kill her, but I was too drunk to succeed. She returned afterwards, again and again, but never slept over and hid my knives if I was too drunk.

    Another girl told me, “you have the charm of a serial killer, with nothing behind the eyes.” I never got her into bed, she told me she was afraid of me because I was so unpredictable and because I didn’t seem to be bothered by anything..

    Girls are attracted to my aloofness and non-caring attitude, but they’re also scared of it. Most of my relationships fall to pieces as soon as she falls in love, it’s hard for girls to be in love with someone who’s incapable of love. I’m so charming girls don’t realize that I’m suspiciously charming, but they realize sooner or later, so if I don’t get them into bed the day we meet, it will never happen. It has to happen when I still have them wrapped around my little finger. Girls are not stupid, they have a great psychological intuition, they spot my kind, they love us, but they’re also afraid of us.

    The reason psychopaths end up in jail is not just because they lack morality, it’s also because they’re impulsive and have no sense of consequences. Don’t romanticize the condition. The dark tirade is successful in short term sexual relationships, but not in long term.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 8:58 pm driveallnight

      feministx, stop flicking your bean

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  23. on June 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm Celeste

    My favorite serial killer is the Unabomber. His manifesto was full of truth; it’s too bad he killed people.

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  24. on June 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm Rogue Male

    “Dark Trade” “dark tirade”

    Apparently you fuckwits are unfamiliar with the word “triad”.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 7:21 pm corvinus

      Now now… some women do in fact find dark tirades a turn-on.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm n/a

      “Do you want to know What I Am?”

      Lounds tried to nod; the chair jerked his scalp. “More than anything. I was afraid to ask.”

      “Look.”

      The first slide was Blake’s painting, the great Man-Dragon, wings flared and tail lashing, poised above the Woman Clothed with the Sun.

      “Do you see now?”

      “I see.”

      Rapidly Dolarhyde ran through his other slides. Click. Mrs. Jacobi alive. “Do you see?” “Yes.”

      Click. Mrs. Leeds alive. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. Dolarhyde, the Dragon rampant, muscles flexed and tail tattoo above the Jacobis’ bed. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. Mrs. Jacobi waiting. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. Mrs. Jacobi after. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. The Dragon rampant. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. Mrs. Leeds waiting, her husband slack beside her. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. Mrs. Leeds after, harlequined with blood. “Do you see?”

      “Yes.”

      Click. Freddy Lounds, a copy of a Tattler photograph. “Do you see?”

      “Oh God.”

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 2:51 am quasi

        Nice.

        Sudden urge to listen to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, turned up to eleven…

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  26. on June 9, 2013 at 7:47 pm bigdickeddeadgordon

    If you go to Prison Talk forums you’ll find most the members are not relatives or friends of the inmates but rather women who love them. Interestingly, most of these women only got in touch with the men after they were incarcerated.

    All the most violent guys I’ve known get heaps of pussy. In late 1990s, when my friends and I were in our late teenage years and without a car, we would often spend the weekend nights drinking beer, smoking pot, and walking the streets of our neighbourhood. We were always on the lookout for a certain guy and his buddies, however. We knew if we ran into them it would spell trouble. This guy and his buddies would pull over cars and smash them up with baseball bats, lean on your car at parties and demand you take them somewhere, etc. Anyway, that guy was going out with the hottest girl in my grade. As it happens, that girl’s mum got fucked by another violent guy who was in my soccer team. There was only one other guy in the team who was more violent than he was, and he was fucking grade 10 girls when he was in grade 8. Funnily enough, the first and second guy got in an altercation during training one evening and the second punched the first in the face.

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  27. on June 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm WhoCares

    Saw this posted online….

    I really hate to be negative… but this is positively revolting. Disgusting. Indescribably offensive.

    In the Land of the Free recently, a California couple had their child kidnapped by the state. At gunpoint.

    It all started in mid-April when Anna and Alex Nikolayev took their 5-month old son Sammy to the hospital in Sacramento to be treated for flu symptoms.

    The parents didn’t particularly care for the treatment that their son was receiving. Doctors were pumping him full of antibiotics and soon began talking about performing surgery.

    Anna and Alex argued with the doctors and said that they were going to get a second opinion; they took the baby and went to another hospital where another physician deemed it perfectly safe for the child to return home with his parents without the need for surgery.

    The next day, with the family resting comfortably at home, the police showed up with Child Protective Services.

    Alex, the father, went outside to talk to them where he was thrown to the ground by police. Officers then relieved him of his house keys and proceeded to let themselves into the house with hands on their pistols.

    Then, still with their hands on their pistols, they told the mother “I’m going to grab your baby, and don’t resist and don’t fight me…”

    The child was then ripped from his mother’s arms and placed into state custody, where he remained for a week.

    Yesterday, a Sacramento County judge ordered that Sammy be transferred to a hospital in Palo Alto (120 miles away), and that his parents finally be given unfettered access to their son… under the condition that the State of California’s Child Protective Services continue to monitor the ‘situation’.

    Guns. Cops. Government bureaucrats. Courts. Kidnapping. A dysfunctional medical care system.

    This is what it means to be in the Land of the Free… where collecting rainwater, consuming raw milk, or seeking a second opinion on your child’s medical care is now criminalized.

    When you don’t even have the basic right to make decisions about your own child… and when your own child can be forced from you at gunpoint in your own home that was entered illegally… you know that freedom has officially hit the waste bin of history.

    Perhaps the greatest irony is that the parents are originally from Russia… but they had to come to the United States to find the Soviet Union.

    Have you hit your breaking point yet? If not now, when?

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  28. on June 9, 2013 at 9:15 pm MaineDad

    In 1997 my girlfriend & I did a threesome at a ski resort with a chick who did time in NH with Pam Smart, the teacher babe who had her students kill her husband in exchange for sex. She said Pam received dozens of gifts each week of jewelry, lingerie, & gowns and cocktail dresses. Once a week the guards brought it all to her cell, let her try it on, then packed it away. A friend of mine from the gym knew a ‘roid/insulin monster from FL who visited Pam Smart every year on his vacation to New England. Wrote letters to her throughout the year. (He was later busted in an online sting soliciting two 15 year olds. ) Plenty of losers are turned on by aldulterous, murderous chicks.

    [CH: Correction: Men are turned on by HOT chicks, *despite*, not because of, their psychopathy. Women, in contrast, are turned on by psychopaths because of their psychopathy.]

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  29. on June 9, 2013 at 9:16 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    You have to credit Paul McCartney when it comes to this topic. Long before we were discussing women’s love for serial killers here, McCartney made an observation about it in the final verse of his “Abbey Road” song about a serial killer, “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer.”

    “Rose and Valerie screaming from the gallery say he must go free.”

    It’s a telling line to throw in. Also note that Rose and Valerie aren’t just crying in the gallery. They’re screaming. It’s an important choice of words.

    The song got a lot of criticism from Beatle fans and the other Beatles for being old-fashioned “granny music.” But I wonder if Paul wasn’t slipping everyone some Red Pill in the days of Peace and Love and that’s why people really hated this song.

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    • on June 9, 2013 at 11:09 pm Greg Eliot

      McCartney’s father worked vaudeville a number of years, a horn player, if memory serves… so he was born to that manor, so to speak… and you can hear it in a lot of his songs, foremost as the Beatles headed into their compositional and lyrical dotage with Sgt. Pepper, MMT, the White Album, and finally got there in all effeteness with Abbey Road.

      English vaudeville… nothing deeper to be read into it.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:16 am Days of Broken Arrows

        No. You’re completely wrong. The line is significant BECAUSE it’s thrown into such a song. He buried a pill in the ice cream, so to speak.

        He could have thrown a billion other lines into that space or he could have asked Lennon for a line. Yet he CHOSE to add in the observation that a serial killer would have female fans.

        Also, you’re technically wrong about McCartney’s dad’s history. There was no “Vaudeville” in England. The British had the Music Hall. But Paul’s dad worked for neither. He headed his own big band. While that influenced Paul MUSICALLY, my observation had to do with lyrics, specifically that one line which stands out as a starkly realistic observation in a rather fanciful song. And even if that line was in a Chuck Berry-styled number, it’s still one hell of a line to put in a pop song, which ideas are usually Blue Pill.

        Ray Davies also danced around this idea in “Johnny Thunders,” speaking of artists influenced by the British Music Hall.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 7:57 am Greg Eliot

        Dude… that “music hall” was the equivalent of what we termed “vaudeville” on this side of the pond… to-ma-to/to-mah-to… hence my initial qualifier of “English” vaudeville.

        And father Jim steeped Paul in all that sort of music from his record collections… and I’m sure some of those “big band” ragtime and jazz gigs of his intersected the like venues.

        Make what you want of a stray line or two of lyric… lyrics never really were a Beatle forte except for the rare exception in an otherwise immense catalogue.. indeed, the words became bordering on inane in many songs of those aforementioned albums.

        And this “granny music”, such as the song in question, A Little Help From My Friends, Lovely Rita, Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da, et. al., all have that unmistakeable feel of vaudeville… oh, excuse me, “music hall”… continued in spades on much of his later solo work.

        Uncle Alfred/Admiral Halsey, indeed. llozozozozozlzlzlzozozlzlzl

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 11:46 am Greg Eliot

        Understand, I’m not gainsaying that McCartney, along with the rest of the world, recognized that there’s a certain type of female that would evince this behavior… no surprise there.

        I just doubt you can make him out to be a red-pill secret agent from that sing-song-silly line. As we all know, Paul was the “keeny”, always looking to please… Lennon was more the alpha disruptor of inconvenient truth, until he gave his sack to Yoko to hold for him.

        I mean, what’s next on the looking-for-shadows-where-none-exist agenda? Was the last verse of Ob-La-Di a sub rosa nod to tranny culture? lulz

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:48 pm Anonymous

        The forum software strikes again… lost my previous salient reply to the above Maxwell’s Hammer post and then redeposited this follow-up down here… sigh.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 12:27 am Inane Rambler

        If you really want to study the contrasts between Paul and John, just listen to the differences between the songs depending on who wrote them.

        The example I got in a college course was Strawberry Fields Forever (by John) and Penny Lane (by Paul), both written for, but ultimately not released on Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 2:14 pm Greg Eliot

        Compare/contrast “Julia” with “Martha, My Dear”… or their respective Xmas offerings. Yes, Paul was the “keeny”, college puddin’, indeed… but that’s not a problem with “pop” music… and musically, he’s often far more enjoyable than the ever-popular-tortured-artist-imagine-no-possessions material of Lennon… ESPECIALLY in the latter’s post-Beatle days.

        You could almost make an argument that solo George shaded the both of them… almost.

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  30. on June 9, 2013 at 11:23 pm zagamaphatoadis

    Have you seen this article? Apparently, science proves that Facebook raises “Self esteem” sky high. http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-05-facebook-profiles-users-self-esteem-affect.html

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  31. on June 9, 2013 at 11:46 pm Johnycomelately

    Mammals that have their neocortex removed still function sexually:

    http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/6/1/40.full.pdf

    The sex drive is limbic, the higher mind rationalizes limbic drives, women simply have no control over their sexual attraction.

    The dark triad validated once again.

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  33. on June 10, 2013 at 6:38 am Anonymous

    Can any of the seasoned text gamers give an example of where “Peel me” might be successfully worked into an exchange? It’s not quite on the level of “bring the movies” but is amusing all the same.

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    • on June 10, 2013 at 9:17 am Flashing Lights

      I think the “peel me” comment worked for him because he already introduced the whole “I’m a banana” thing. He noticed that she reacted well to it, so when he had the chance he referenced it again. He built on previous success and built in some innuendo, escalating in a way that fit naturally into the flow of the conversation.

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  34. on June 10, 2013 at 6:49 am Ruxman

    Great comment section here

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    • on June 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Great comment spam too.

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      • on June 10, 2013 at 4:36 pm Ruxman

        Thanks bro 🙂

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  35. on June 10, 2013 at 7:22 am gig

    .The average woman expressing her interest in serial killers is of very low sexual value

    Well, in terms. most of them certainly are, but you fill find an odd 6-7 sometimes. Also, the point that betas get zero interest from women while crimi/nals get something still holds, and that is the most important of all

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  36. on June 10, 2013 at 7:46 am Gio

    I was just about to post the link to this. We need these from time to time to remind ourselves how strong the rodent truly is. NOTHING emotional is off limits to it. If it causes him to spin the wheel, it causes her to be irrational.

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  37. on June 10, 2013 at 8:06 am chris

    Rationalisation hamster identified.

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  38. on June 10, 2013 at 8:16 am Sniper

    I found this interesting particularly from the perspective that I used to be “long distance support” to our guys in the field. So Ramirez has a kill count of 13 – not even 1/10th of my confirmed kill count on my last rotation… What an amateur… If you want to “reach out and touch someone” nothing does it better than a Barrett… The time between when you squeeze the trigger, and you see the hit is literally a life-time, for the guy on the receiving end…

    I love the power of being judge, jury, and executioner… That milli-second of surprise between impact and when it registers on their brain that they lost the only battle that really matters, and to someone almost a mile away with a cup of coffee and a doughnut. Killing you is just another way to pass the time… Bang… And another one bites the dust…

    Ramirez should have been snuffed out long ago – he is a pimple on the a** of humanity…

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    • on June 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm Greg Eliot

      Agreed about Ramirez… but on another tack:

      Is that you, Lon?

      There’s a couple of us who’d like a word with ya… face-to-face.

      And for what it’s worth, never knew an actual sniper to talk so vaingloriously about his long-distance bravado.

      Jes’ sayin’… :mad

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    • on June 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm Matthew

      Cowards do love power.

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  39. on June 10, 2013 at 8:47 am LOL

    Ramirez isn’t really ugly. In fact hes got a pretty masculine face which matches with his serial killer actions. Just by looking at his face you can tell hes alpha.

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  40. on June 10, 2013 at 9:58 am Zebee

    like attract like. the self destructive attract the self destructive.

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  41. on June 10, 2013 at 11:35 am Ask not for whom the hamster spins, it spins for thee. | Sunshine Mary

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  42. on June 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm Christopher Paul

    Alcala’s photo reel is proof enough of alpha.

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  43. on June 10, 2013 at 12:39 pm gig

    Its like saying all Muslims are terrorists even though a subset of them are. What do ya say CH???

    Talk about a great example. Some people do have a talent for words.

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  44. on June 10, 2013 at 2:21 pm Greg Eliot

    I’m not sure all this hype about female luridness isn’t, well… just hype.

    I’d bet a month’s pay that women like Aileen Wounos (or whatever the hell her name was) have their share of admirers, even whilst in prison… and a line of (ahem) men who would gladly eat a foot of their excrement, just to see whence it originated.

    But I don’t think the MSM harps on those cases… in the same way “dog bites man” is no news.

    But girls gone wild? Ho, stop the presses!

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    • on June 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm Man

      CH have you ever studied the Salem witch trials and learned how the actual bad “guys” were a group of girls aged 13 to 20? They were group of bored upper-middle-class girls who had sleepover parties with their Barbados slave who told stories of witchcraft and then ended up accusing all the women in town and where the key witness is a trial where they accepted spectral evidence and it would convulse and freak out in court whenever the accused denied it and then they eventually learn that the girls were literally doing this just for fun acting like we know typical girls age 16 to 20 at LOL Z

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  45. on June 10, 2013 at 2:40 pm Vicus

    Relax people, Maxwell rocks : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE8U9ZyC0rk

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  46. on June 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm colonelcrimson

    Check out this video from MTV’s “Disaster Date.” They try to set up a fairly cute 20-year old girl with a “bully,” which they assume will be disastrous. But watch carefully. Anyone else think she was into him? Obviously, they took it to the extreme at the end, and yeah, she was a bit uncomfortable at times, but I guarantee you this guy was giving her tingles.

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  47. on June 10, 2013 at 6:12 pm Rum

    U R not a serial killer if U were never caught… more than once.
    No one in a murder-tank in any jail I have become familiar with will not sing along with Johnny Cash.
    “I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die…”

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  48. on June 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm Rum

    I was in a law-suit once. I wrote up these letters to the plantives attorney as to why I was going to evisterate him and his client.With a figurative knife, of course. But God kept me from actuaslly mailing them. Because He wanted me to be able to actually, you know, get away with it.
    God Be Praised…

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  49. on June 15, 2013 at 10:34 pm james

    I think Rodney James Alcala was involved in the MK Ultra program in the 1960’s. He had no father in the home, high IQ, joins the US Army which he was under the care of an Army psychiatrist (MK Ultra programing). He was discharged. He studied film at NYU under convicted pedophile Roman Polanski (his pregnant wife was murdered by Charlie Manson’s cult). Where did he get the money to travel and attend these schools? He got out of or got convicted of lesser crimes numerous times (he was being protected). He kills a 23 y.o girl and buries her on the Rockefeller estate. He gets convicted of murder in Cali and sentenced to death, but it’s over turned for BS reasons, not once but twice. Nevermind he gets on a Dating show as a convicted rapist, hello something smells here!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Alcala

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