1. Chateau Heartiste is fond of metaphorically describing the biologically innate and intractable sexual urge as originating from the “hindbrain”, and that the compulsions of the ancient hindbrain motivate nearly all human behavior, and in fact are so fundamental to human nature that the forebrain evolved mostly to rationalize the desires of the hindbrain. From this premise springs another CH concept: the sexual market. The sexual market is the foundational market which anchors the functioning of all other markets. It’s as real and as relevant to your day to day life as is the practical application of the economic supply and demand curve. More real, in fact, because it’s operational even when you’re not engaged in any productive activity. Now SCIENCE has come along to vindicate (this is getting to be a habit) the boorishly reductionist CH worldview, albeit through the medium of rats. A study found that female rats who had their forebrains — the neocortex — removed continued to function sexually.
Humans, like all animals, have no control over their sexual attraction, though they may exert control over the expression of that attraction. The forebrain exists to give the moral stamp of approval to the desires of the hindbrain, and what this study implies more than anything else is that no amount of social or cultural conditioning — the favored explanation of feminist termagants and equalist twats the world over — can alter the id-shaped sexual urges of the hindbrain; not even complete removal of large parts of the higher order brain can alter these primal urges. We are automatons underneath our advanced cortical embroidery.
2. But, wait! The SCIENCE VINDICATES CH stroke-a-thon doesn’t stop there. We have a long record advising men to either refrain from Facebook and other social media-type pick-ups, or to actively work to lower the self-esteems of girls on social media, because there is an exaggerated self-esteem boost that women experience on these websites thanks to the constant fawning of millions of ass-lapping betaboys with no game. Now a recent study has come out which shows that Facebook profiles raise users’ self-esteem and affect behavior. Additionally, self-esteem-boosted Facebook users feel less motivated to perform follow-up tasks. This is perfectly in line with CH game teachings that high self-esteem women (and alpha males) will comport themselves with an attitude of aloofness and entitlement that translates into behavior indicative of “being the chasee” in any heated sociosexual interaction.
3. Deep in the archives rests the seminal post “Defining the Alpha Female“.
Besides hotness, there is one other factor that influences female SMV (Sexual Market Value) rank — the maximum level of commitment she can extract from her best option. Her personality, charm, sexiness, character, and nurturing ability will make the difference here. The best option rule is essential – men who are below her first choice offer unwanted commitment while men who are too far above her are guaranteed to put less effort into the relationship.
All women want it all, but only hot babes can turn that desire into reality, and therefore only hot babes regularly behave in ways that suggest they have realistic expectations of getting it all. And what is “all” for women?: The most alpha man they can coax into a long-term monogamous commitment. Now science (there it is again!) comes along to provide ample evidence for the above CH observation (via reader chris):
[T]he findings provide partial support for the main hypotheses that low mate value women would have more pronounced changes in preferences across the menstrual cycle. When the implicit measure was examined, women low in mate value had weaker positive implicit associations with characteristics associated with high quality genetic material when they were in the less fertile part of their cycle and, alternatively, with women higher in mate value this reduction in positive associations during the less fertile part of their cycle did not occur. These results are congruent with the proposition that a mixed mating strategy (pursuing short-term relationships with high genetic quality males while maintaining long-term relationships with a lower genetic quality male) would be most adaptive for low mate value women who are unable to obtain mates that are high in both genetic quality and resources.
Hot (high SMV) women don’t go in for the cuckolding stuff because they are more able than uglier women to get everything they want in a man in one package. Less attractive women can’t, so they must resort to downlow tactics for a deliriously brief shot at non-omega male seed.
4. Study shows that women are attracted to men with “appetitive-aggression”, i.e., a lust for violence. Chicks dig jerks. Did you hear that? Neither did I. The feminists and nancyboys must be tongue-tied.
5. Why do women fall for serial killers? Blame their native wiring.
Consciously, most women would like their men to be kind, empathic, understanding, and respectful. But there’s something in their native wiring that makes a great many of them susceptible to “bad boys.” Possibly because, as the authors quote Angela Knight as reflecting (in a sentiment that echoes the conclusions of most evolutionary psychologists): “[Their] inner cavewoman knows Doormat Man would become Sabertooth Tiger Lunch in short order” (p .97).
Moreover, in responding to the question as to whether some men, such as “serial killers, violent offenders, and rapists,” might be too dominant for women to accept, Ogas and Gaddam note: “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, have received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). […]
It’s no coincidence that the whole genre of fictional romance is so hypnotically enticing to so many women that—surprise, surprise!—it actually outsells the pornography everywhere out there that’s expressly designed to appeal to the male brain (which, alas, focuses far more on female body parts than anything pertaining to “romance”). Women regularly purchase an astronomical amount of romance fiction (and, more and more, anonymously through the Web). And what this suggests is that while those who fall for serial killers may represent a pathological exaggeration of a female’s erotic mind, many women (at least secretly, or subliminally) can’t help but be drawn toward cold-blooded, controlling, “bad boys” whose dominance symbolizes quite the opposite of what in relationships they’re consciously seeking.
Sounds almost word-for-word what CH has been saying about female sexual nature. The whole article is great, and pretty much takes a steaming dump on the usual female rationalizations for the allure of the killer badboy.
6. Are the lovers of violent men really taken by surprise when they discover the demonic pasttimes of their alpha paramours? Feminists insist they are (what else are they gonna say?), but the facts show otherwise: What predators’ wives really know.
For too long many spouses of child molesters have hidden behind the pretense that they were unaware of the crimes going on in their homes. The myth that these women didn’t know of the depravity which played out under their roofs is just that: a myth. Reality tells a different story. The truth is sickening and may be shocking to some readers whereas other readers may have known this all along.
In my years of profiling violent crimes, I have found that in the majority of cases that I studied, the spouses knew about the child molestation which was carried out by their spouses. They knew because either the offenders told them or they witnessed the abuse! Of course the wives never admitted this once an investigation was opened; however, victims have often stated that the wives of their abusers were present when the attacks took place. As the victims called out for help, it was common for the wives to walk away and shut the door behind them. In other cases, the wives would see their spouses bringing children into their bedrooms but said nothing. Many victims tell their mothers that their fathers are molesting them, and they are not believed.
And how ’bout them female rationalization hamsters? First up, the Pleading Ignorance Hamster:
But never fear. These women are phenomenal at explaining themselves. First and foremost, they are adamant that they didn’t know what was going on. Amazingly, these women who were teachers, physician assistants, and charity fundraisers became stunningly stupid when it came to the sex abuse. Though considered intelligent, these women claim that they couldn’t put two and two together that their husbands were doing something wrong when there was an endless parade of young boys or girls going into the marital bedroom with their spouses.
When that hamster tires, the Poor Me Hamster relieves it:
If for some reason, the wives’ pathetic excuse of ignorance doesn’t fly, the women immediately run for the sympathy card. They can’t be held accountable for the actions of their sick spouses. After all, they have children to raise. What would their children do if they were put into prison? Many are church goers who vehemently apologize that they didn’t do more for the children (translation: I am sorry I got caught).
Some wives will fill their eyes with crocodile tears and cry of their own abuse in childhood. They will claim that they were too mixed up emotionally to step in and help the victims. How could anyone cast a nasty eye at them? They were victims as children, so how could anyone expect them to do anything to help anyone? “Poor me,” they whine.” I was hurt; feel sorry for me! Yes, I knew about the abuse and did nothing, but don’t you dare point a finger at me.” These are their words, and they will even go so far as to say that they were good parents, even if the victim was their own child.
After the Poor Me Hamster exits the stage, the Badboy Forgiveness Hamster swaggers in for the final aria:
For other women, there is a deviant bond which makes them feel close to their spouses. If a molester confesses his secrets to the wife, then she and he share a unique experience. To trust her enough to tell her means that he must love her. And if she loves him how could she turn him in? A type of magical thinking emerges where the females believe that they are in a very special relationship that will all turn out just fine.
There are many other identifiable hamsters, including the Gravy Train Hamster, the Social Stigma Hamster, the Excited Fearfulness Hamster, and the most twisted of them all, the Sexual Deviant Hamster:
Then there are the most sick of these women. These are the ones who not only know about the abuse but get sexual excitement from it. They enjoy it and use it in their sexual fantasies. I know of such cases where the wives had their husbands tell them every raw detail of the abuse as the couple was having sex.
The author (a woman) has a PSA for feminists who are working hard to create a femtopia where female accountability is reduced to zero:
This idea that spousal participation is not important has to change. When there is no price to be paid for their part in the abuse (keeping silent), the behavior will not ever change. Thus this perpetuates the cycle. More scrutiny needs to be placed on spouses of molesters if there is suspicion that they knew. If it can be proven that they knew of the abuse, they should be held accountable.
I have talked to women who knew of their husbands’ actions but did not come forward. It is absolutely sickening to listen to these women. They were some of the most self centered and self serving people I ever met, and they were not sorry. The only sorrow they felt was for themselves. […]
Children deserve better protection, and one can only wonder how many could be spared being raped if only one of these spouses would simply open their mouths and tell the truth.
The problem is that a lot of these women love their psychopathic spouses. Love is the fuel that feeds their rationalizations and excuse-mongering. This sort of thing won’t change unless you could reconstruct the female brain to feel no love for malevolent men.
In related news, women have no trouble at all accusing beta nerds of quasi-rape for telling goofy dongle jokes.
7. “[I]ndividualism is not a consequence of modernization, but rather modernization is a consequence of individualism.” My question: Are highly individualistic peoples more prone to pathological altruism? Or is it just a white thang?
8. It’s their world now. And that means you must take measures to protect yourself. You can start by hiding your online activity from the Hivemind behemoth. It appears that the Firefox browser gets the best reviews from privacy advocates. None of these anonymizing services guarantees your privacy, but they do make it orders of magnitude more difficult for government snoops to identify you. And that can mean the difference between expressing yourself unmolested and a knock on the door at 2AM. Think it ridiculous? That’s what everyone says right before the gun barrel is trained on their heads.

I still want to know, a rough time-frame for when it will all hit the fan. I imagine that there will be crackdowns and the whole situation will spin out of control Syria-style.
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Nonsense. Shit will never hit the fan in the U.S., just a slow burn… a low simmering pile of shit. Like Mexico City.
Most of this country is obese, and revolutions have never been started or led by a bunch of land whales. In the race riots of the 60s and even the L.A. riots in the 90s, there were plenty of people who could throw a rock and run away from tanks and the National Guard.
Today, I can’t see any white person getting off the couch and putting down their extra large Dunkin’ Donuts liquid desert latte to throw some rocks at The Man and protesting anything. Ditto for chances that brown folks will put away their Xbox and McDonald’s. The most they’ll do is occasionally smash & grab some Footlocker sneakers like during the London riots.
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If you haven’t read Cormac McCarthy’s “Blood Meridian,” do it: it will be one of your life’s great reading experiences. “The Road” is different, and in my estimation, not as good, but I was paging through it the other night and found this on page 57: “They say that women dream of danger to those in their care and men of danger to themselves.”
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Basically, just read anything by Cormac McCarthy. He’s an amazing author. I don’t think the Coens did him justice.
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Seconded.
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Agreed.
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McCarthy is, without a doubt in my mind, the best living fiction writer. He is also living proof that you do not have to bend your knee to the liberal academic behemoth. His writing style is decidedly masculine and, by all accounts, he is the real deal.
From his wiki: “McCarthy now lives in the Tesuque, New Mexico area, north of Santa Fe, with his third wife, Jennifer Winkley, and their son, John. He guards his privacy. In one of his few interviews (with The New York Times), McCarthy reveals that he is not a fan of authors who do not ‘deal with issues of life and death,’ citing Henry James and Marcel Proust as examples. ‘I don’t understand them,’ he said. ‘To me, that’s not literature. A lot of writers who are considered good I consider strange.’ McCarthy remains active in the academic community of Santa Fe and spends much of his time at the Santa Fe Institute, which was founded by his friend, physicist Murray Gell-Mann.”
Although I’ve never met him personally, I am close with an older dude who was his benefactor back in late 70s. Apparently, he is everything that you would hope that he would be. *swoon* hahahah
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Oh, he lives in Tesuque? **Flush**
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He is also living proof that you do not have to bend your knee to the liberal academic behemoth.
No writer worth his salt would listen to those putzes. They teach everyone to write the exact same way and manufacture mediocrity. No one memorable ever did that- play by the rule book. The whole English lit crowd is a bunch of sandal wearers and highminded women (thanks George) seeking to prove to themselves they’re as smart as people who can do math.
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I often think “Blood Meridian” is one of the most intellectually honest pieces of literature ever written.
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Blood Meridian was garbage. Violent for the sake of being violent and with no story line. Some girl i know was trying to brag about having read it and made the claim it was about relationships and how they evolve. I had to laugh in her swpl face and ask where she was parroting that from.
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Even if it were only about violence (which it’s not), it’s still beautiful. On page two, I’m already hooked: “He lives in a room above a courtyard behind a tavern and he comes down at night like some fairybook beast to fight with the sailors. He is not big but he has big wrists, big hands. His shoulders are set close. The child’s face is curiously untouched behind the scars, the eyes oddly innocent. They fight with fists, with feet, with bottles or knives. All races, all breeds. Men whose speech sounds like the grunting of apes. Men from lands so far and queer that standing over them where they lie bleeding in the mud he feels mankind itself vindicated.”
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you’re entitled to your (wrong) opinion, but the book is far more than violence for violence’s sake. there are many legitimate critical readings/theories of/about blood meridian, but i think it is mostly a meditation on the inescapable, fundamental truth that we are violent animals and that “civilization” is but a single coat of paint over a pack of ravenous, hungry wolves. might is right. to the victor goes the spoils. survival of the fittest. “War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.”
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Nah. You are engaging in the swpl past time of looking for /attaching meaning where there is none. People like you do it instead of admitting that you wasted your time reading crap.
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so reading and thinking about reading is a swpl activity? i’ve got a nom de plume for you to use here: Fat-Headed Troglodyte.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax#IQ_estimations_by_academics lzozlzozlzooz
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We will never have access to this information, thus no one can settle this bet, but I would bet money Bush and Obama’s IQ are very close ( around 120)
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We will never have access to this information, thus no one can settle this bet, but I would bet money Bush and Obama’s IQ are very close ( around 120)
Nah, if any recent prez has an IQ of 85, it would be Obama. He’s completely tongue-tied without the TOTUS or otherwise prepared speeches which, we may be sure, aren’t actually written by him.
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I notice the left wing bias in the IQ estimates too. All the Marxist heroes have high IQs, all the classical liberals have lower IQs. Gee, those Marxists sure are smart. All of their policies must just work wonders.
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The following gives a hint of why McCarthy writes about violence: because war is god.
“Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to his moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one’s will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.”
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“I come not to bring peace, but a sword” — Jesus Christ
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War is God if you take out the greater element of randomness we’ve given it today, but those guys who go to war thinking of it as a religion seldom survive it to the end. This is a common theme in both the Odyssey and the Iliad.
War is the father of all things – Heraclites
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LOL, ok Anonymous.
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blood memeirirdian is for amaatatuez
if u want a REAL MANLY WAR BOOK rebel against your femist teachersaz and chruchain preahcerz and rea dHOMERZ ILAIADZ zlzozoozzzoz
men who think dat cormac mcacarthy is a GREAT AUTHORZ shouldl take up embroidery:
http://redpillwifery.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/red-pill-craftery-update/comment-page-1/#comment-3367
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for HOMER’S GENIUSZ doens’t just give you war
for fanboyz mangaina fanboy war’s sake
but HOMERZ GENIUS CENTERZ WAR
aournd HONOR HONOR HONOR
Achilles quits the war in RAGE you fucktardz as his HONOR is assaulted bu his won commander
Achilles then only REUTNRS to war in RAGE to avenge the detah of his friend fight for HONOR
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i double dog dare anyone to say dat cormac mccarthy is a a better war writer dan HOMER
another thing–HOMER Creates characterz
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Unfortunately, Homer is done. Achillles, Zeus, Hector…are all absurd, one way or another. Napoleon is credited with saying: “There is just one step from the sublime to the ridiculous.”. To the modern mind, this step has been taken. Heck, if I was militarily equipped by various gods as Achilles had been, I would have fared much better in the battlefield. Let’s face it- he wasn’t, just like his creator, quite an adult. More childish than godlike.
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yes thank goodneezzz we now have real non-absurd heroes like surpeman and batmanz who wear their underwear on the outside of their tightz lzlzoozozoz
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Cormac McCarthy is a ridiculous writer, a wretched melange of his masters: all of Faulkner’s run-on bombast and rote Southern Gothic; Hemingway in his most ponderous mode of conjunctive –and and and– excess; the cadences of the King James version stripped of their animating content and made laughable in the service of violent melodrama.
McCarthy is beloved of those who are easily suckered by the vaguely sonorous, and they deserve his clunky, half-baked orotundities.
To wit, an entirely typical passage:
“His origins are become remote as is his destiny and not again in all the world’s turnings will there be terrains so wild and barbarous to try whether the stuff of creation may be shaped to man’s will or whether his own heart is not another kind of clay.”
If you think that is good prose you need to be smacked upside the head with the Collected Samuel Johnson, many times.–
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There are lots of reasons to like lots of writers. I am willing to overlook some warts (and all writers have them) if the writer does certain things for me. Blood Meridian, like my other favorite books, does a lot for me.
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The passage you selected is not “entirely typical.” You selected a terrible passage. Your criticism would be more sound were it founded on a more honest reading.
Here is a typical passage, selected from Blood Meridian by opening the book and copying the first sentence of the first paragraph I see: “On the third night they crouched in the keep of old walls of slumped mud with the fires of the enemy not a mile distant on the desert.”
Another: “He sat on the ground with the quiver upright between his knees while the company filed past.”
Another: “Even over that open terrain the concussion was immense.”
Another: “Those who travel in desert places do indeed meet with creatures surpassing all description.”
Another: They rode on, following the course of the Santa Cruz, up through strands of immense riverbottom cottonwoods.”
Is this the stuff of great novels? It’s hard to say. But at least it’s an honest and “entirely typical” example of his prose.
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Backdoor Man and yeakokcool,
Let’s examine another passage that is clearly *meant* to carry weight:
“The truth about the world, he said, is that anything is possible. Had you not seen it all from birth and thereby bled it of its strangeness it would appear to you for what it is, a hat trick in a medicine show, a fevered dream, a trance bepopulate with chimeras having neither analogue nor precedent, an itinerant carnival, a migratory tentshow whose ultimate destination after many a pitch in many a mudded field is unspeakable and calamitous beyond reckoning.”
This is outrageously bad prose. It opens with a sentence that would make a Chinese fortune-cookie writer blush and delivers the word “bepopulate” with a straight face. That straight face, btw, is the face of the conman. Every doomsday preacher that roamed Times Square in its heyday had a fat mouthful of these rube-thrilling $10 words that aren’t worth a dime.
You’re intelligent men. How can you be suckered by such egregiously overwritten trash?
I’ll tell you. I’ve noticed that many of the literary types of my acquaintance divide pretty neatly into those who are dazed by McCarthy and those who are slack-jawed reading Bret Easton Ellis. They think they have nothing in common, but they’re wrong, to wit: both of these types are goofily impressed by depictions of physical violence, esp. if the gore is accompanied by a vague air of the apocalyptic.
They are attracted to this stupidity for the same reason that McCarthy and Ellis write it: having experienced nothing but comfort, peace and wealth throughout their lives, they still, like all men, crave contact with the real. They imagine that, say, *getting scalped*, an act depicted in both Blood Meridian and American Psycho, is somehow more “real” an act than removing the orange juice from the refrigerator.
This is imaginative poverty. Very few writers have the courage to write from what is in front of them, from the middle of life, as it were, because they fear their response to it will mirror the confused boredom and misery they secretly feel. They abandon the world as it is to fantasize about what is not. They linger in a fantastic past or an (inevitably) dystopian future and neglect what is in front of their faces. This is cowardice and it hides itself in stylistic extravagance.
In a previous thread I recommended the unknown writer Charles Willeford.
Take that recommendation.–
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@n/a. God knows that I can’t shit on you for your very well-reasoned response. You are clearly knowledgeable about the subject and have raised some thoughtful points about McCarthy’s prose. I am (obviously) a fan of McCarthy’s and I’ve read everything that he’s published. While it is certainly true that the majority of his books concern the violence and the impact violence has on McCarthy’s characters, it is inaccurate to suggest that’s all he writes about.
On the subject of “writing what you know,” I would point you toward my favorite of McCarthy’s books – Suttree. Suttree is, essentially, an autobiographical Bildungsroman set in Knoxville, where McCarthy lived for many years (incidentally, this is also where my friend, the benefactor of McCarthy’s, knew him). There is very little violence in Suttree and, in fact, directly addresses (in well-written prose, in my estimation) the “middle of life.” The novel is profoundly beautiful and, by its end, I had realized some things about myself and my mission that have remained with me to this day. Assuming you believe me that McCarthy is capable of writing the types of books that you prefer, isn’t it reasonable to assume that your disagree with McCarthy has more to do with your literary preferences than his supposed overwrought nature and/or lack of “realness?”
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yeahokcool,
It’s precisely because I recall Suttree’s lazy boathouse charm and drinker’s ease of palaver and dreaming that I’m so disgusted by McCarthy’s turn to the automatic oracular and the pseudo-incantatory style.
McCarthy, like so many writers, slit his pinata of experience and anecdote with an autobiographical book; not knowing what else to do and having been overpraised, he ground his gears and decided that actuality was no longer his thing. He affected the priestly mode and the comedy was gone.–
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I share your shrugging disdain for “theory” and detest equally the boomer fetish for the tedious Pynchon and the X’er obsession with the frantic Foster Wallace. One doesn’t need to travel as far back as Johnson’s London to read good English prose, but the sad truth is that we’ve been in a bronze age with an abundance of tin-ears for quite some time.
That’s why Willeford is such an astonishment. Pick up The Shark-Infested Custard and Miami Blues and you’ll be stunned at how memorably the (almost) contemporary scene can be rendered by someone unafraid to work from eye-level.–
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@n/a. i’ll go pick them up today.
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@n/a. I assume that you’re at least passingly familiar with literary theory. Isn’t it also possible that you are getting caught up on your preferred method of literary interpretation? I suppose I identify with reader-response criticism, though I recognize its latent and underlying solipsistic nature. Regardless, I can’t help but believe that my thoughts and appreciation of a novel are paramount to society-at-large and/or literary critics. This is why I shamelessly love lots of novels that aren’t considered “high-art” and dislike everything written by Richard Russo and Pynchon (particularly “Gravity’s Rainbow” aka “Utter Dreck”
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This is a good discussion, and I agree with you wholeheartedly about Gravity’s Rainbow. Have either of you read William Gaddis? I love A Frolic of His Own (let’s leave aside his other books), and
I’m curious to know your thoughts.
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The thrust of your criticism is the most common variety that is levied against McCarthy. I would argue that rather than him being a “a wretched melange of his masters” that he rather stands on the shoulders of giants such as Faulkner, Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, Conrad, Melville, and, yes, the King James Bible.
McCarthy is an exceedingly masculine and conservative writer who has somehow managed to reach the rarefied air that is “master-status” in modern literary circles. He is an absolute political anomaly in this respect.
Literature worthy of being read did not stop in the year 1800, by the by, n/a.
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yup. agreed on every point.
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De gustibus…. Cormac McCarthy is probably one among greatest living authors, in the company of Gunther Grass, Gabriel Garcia Marquez and, perhaps, Philip Roth. And he’s among top 10 20th C English language novelists, along with Joseph Conrad, Henry James, James Joyce, William Faulkner, Vladimir Nabokov, D.H. Lawrence, Malcolm Lowry, Samuel Beckett, perhaps Virginia Woolf, …. Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Greene, Bukowsky, Miller, Mailer, Bellow, Green, …need not apply. Anyway, German fiction is the the greatest body of imaginative literature in the 20th C: Mann, Musil, Rilke, Broch, Kafka, Grass, Hesse, Canetti, Doeblin, …
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Did you get this list from wikipedia? Who ISN’T on this list? BTW, too many people cite Garcia Marquez as the great Latin American voice and cannot name any others (there are many who deserve a wide audience), while Roth has written lots of junk (see his acclaimed American Pastoral). Sabbath’s Theater, on the other hand…….well that should be a CH-approved text, required reading for all men.
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From my mind. As for other Hispanics, you got Alejo Carpentier (a mixed reading experience), Mario Vargas Llosa (another Nobel), Jorge Luis Borges (IMO, overrated), Jose Donoso, Carlos Fuentes (his magnum opus is, I’d say, highly crafted, but not too rewarding, just like Joyce’s “Ulysses”) etc etc.
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Just ordered it. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Myths of the perpetual sexual revolution.
Do fatties, like all animals, have no control over their hunger for junk, though they may go on diets from time to time? Or can discipline and practice wean them off the impulses of what they once thought they had “no control over”?
Matt
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your comprehension of what CH wrote is lacking.
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Do explain. Or are you just another starry-eyed tag-along who thinks disagreement with your hero constitutes evidence for a lack of “comprehension” ipso facto?
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Not being able to control what you’re attracted to isn’t the same as low impulse control. I like double bacon cheeseburgers. I salivate if I smell one, but I don’t go out and buy one every time I smell one. Impulse control.
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What the sentence above means is that humans cannot control what they are attracted to but can choose whether they act on those desires or not.
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I know what the sentence means, chief.
Discipline and habit rewire our instincts — it’s called the civilizing process. As a child we had an instinct to shit ourselves. Now “have … control over” the attraction to a life of living in one’s own shit.
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I have an attraction to damaged bipolar sluts. But after years of getting to know them intimately, I have developed a gut instinct against their advertisement of easy energetic sex because I have experienced the ugliness such “easiness” presages.
You most certainly can help what you are attracted to, and that help only begins by “exerting control over the expression of that attraction.”
How many times do you have to shock a dog with the invisible fence before he associates pain with a certain patch of territory?
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I don’t think that comparison works. I have a hound dog with an incredible pedigree. He is bred to track and to tree large game. He’s very good at it. However, like all dogs, he needs to understand that there is a time a place for the utilization his skills – namely, when the fuck I say it is OK.
So, as part of his training, I utilized a “shock collar.” He now realizes that there are things he is not ALLOWED to do. However, that doesn’t change the simple fact that his instinct will flare-up every time he is confronted with certain stimuli.
That motherfucker’s instinct doesn’t give a single shit that he’s not allowed to jump on the counters or to chase after deer in the backyard. While it is certainly true that he won’t do those things because he knows he will get shocked/I will beat his ass, he still WANTS to do them with every fibre of his being. Each time he sees some food on the counter or a animal he’d like to chase, he has to make a decision to listen to his training rather than his instinct.
In much the same way, if you want to suck cock, but don’t allow yourself to do so, you still want to suck cock. Nothing you’ve suggested here refutes what CH posited.
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He’s right, insofar as the society at large has rejected the only effective restraint: traditional Christian morality.
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Seconded.
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Well, that’s a pretty large asterisk.
Shouldn’t we therefore explore “the only effective restraint” rather than posting pseudoscience which “proves” restraint is pointless to even try?
The self-fulfilling prophesy of the assertions is annoying and wrong-headed.
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Shouldn’t we therefore explore “the only effective restraint” rather than posting pseudoscience which “proves” restraint is pointless to even try?
Of course, but good luck with making the stupid sheeple at large put away their idiocy. The only solution as I see it is outbreeding the degenerates in the long term.
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Yeah, and that’s the hell of it, isn’t it? People who are capable of doing any math at all are cautious about avoiding the many pitfalls of breeding, whereas those with no such ability are crapping out kids in droves. In some cases, they even diddle their own daughters to double up on the dissemination of dumb.
It’s a sad state of affairs when you get down to it. I had kids much too young, and would love to try raising a second batch of little Troubadours. There isn’t any sensible way to go about breeding again though. It’s just an insane proposition. There’s no way in hell I’d ever have had kids in the first place if I hadn’t fallen for a con, and having been through it all once, that’s doubly true thinking about signing on for a second tour. My marriage sucks, but there aren’t many better ways I could have gone about getting my kids grown and into college. I navigated the shark-infested waters with minimal blood loss.
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If you still had Gods who rewarded women for bearing many children and being good mothers to them…
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Careful there. Your obvious solution to the dysgenic breeding promoted by democratic egalitarianism sounds a bit Nazi and we all know the Nazis were psychopathic sadists who ripped apart J babies with their bare hands.
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No worries, to any cries of “Nahtzee” I’ll just play the woefully-underused Catholic card.
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Christian morality was never an effective restraint. It just provided divisions between people who one was supposed to exercise restraint with, and with whom one need not exercise restraint because they were viewed as somehow less human because they were non or lesser Christians.
Christianity kept no noble from exploiting his underlings. Nor did it keep those underlings from reeking havok on whoever their religious leaders pointed them at crying, “Heathens!”
Christian morality also got you into the mess you’re in now because unlike your former Gods who definitely had male and female in their proper order, “In Christ there is no male or female.” A man got no more points for being manly, and a woman got no more points for being womanly.
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“Reeking havok”??
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Cue “I whupped Batman’s Azz”… he wuz runnin’ me amoke.
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I don’t even know where to begin unfucking your tangled mangled bushy twat of a theory.
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please try. want to see your take
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Not sure the peanut gallery is worthy of the illumination… which would be the ONLY reason to address this inanest of tripe.
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Please do, Matt. I’m supposed to pitch every fourth day, but my harpoon-count went way over 100 last start.
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Yes, please do.
I want to hear how much more in touch men are with their masculinity from worshiping a 30+ year old virgin human sacrifice who said that when wronged, someone should turn the other cheek.
I want to hear how well boys who go to religious schools do with that whole, if you don’t forgive a bitter old woman who beat or sexually humiliated or abused them, then you’re in the wrong thing.
Do tell.
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There was a very telling line in a recent movie that struck a chord of recognition within me. The movie was The Tree Of Life, and for all it’s flaws, this gem emerged:
“We can live by nature, or live by grace.”
That explains it all. When it’s all done, when all the chest-pounding banging of ‘bitches’ and dog-eat-dog struggle for material gains and vapid pride is over, there’s either oblivion or something else a bit higher left to us, that depends upon how we stand with our Creator.
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Grace is part of human nature, and was known and well practiced long before your Christ was a twinkle in some Greek social engineer’s eye.
Still, you suck at it.
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Yeah, I’ve still got a ways to go on the living by grace part…
But your misguided blasphemes and inane snarks don’t even get you to the ballpark, let alone onto the playing field.
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Because you have no understanding of grace, you believe that coddling you is a good way to teach it to you.
Here we come to the root of the sickness.
Protecting you from the truth, that culturally, you (“white” Americans) are a fallen people who have lost your way, and drag others down with you, would not help you. It hasn’t helped you thusfar, and I do not expect that to change. So, I confront you with the truth, that your Ancestors had strong values, morality, and spirituality long before Christianity. You did not need Christianity to make you better people, and you were better people before.
Bonus, you didn’t need to lie to yourselves about the importance of heredity. There was absolutely no conflict between understanding the importance of preserving one’s culture and tradition and limiting the inclusion of outsiders to sane levels while maintaining the freedom of men to explore but only incorporate those who met their cultural standards.
The first mistake was letting go of those values and allowing a foreign, Mediterranean monotheistic religion pollute your already functioning culture.
Now you complain about the pollution of this polluted culture.
It would be funny if so many people didn’t die for this stupidity.
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Think of the Vikings.
Now think of Walmart.
Something happened in between, and it was not the people of Walmart becoming Asatru.
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Christian morality was never an effective restraint. It just provided divisions between people who one was supposed to exercise restraint with, and with whom one need not exercise restraint because they were viewed as somehow less human because they were non or lesser Christians.
You’ve been hanging around with jooz and muzzies too much, methinks. Yes, that is indeed the attitude that jooz and muzzies take.
Christianity kept no noble from exploiting his underlings. Nor did it keep those underlings from reeking havok on whoever their religious leaders pointed them at crying, “Heathens!”
You’re speaking from total ignorance. During the time of the Roman Empire, the bulk of the people were slaves. As Christianity took force, the slaves became serfs, then regular peasantry.
Christian morality also got you into the mess you’re in now because unlike your former Gods who definitely had male and female in their proper order, “In Christ there is no male or female.” A man got no more points for being manly, and a woman got no more points for being womanly.
Again, you’re speaking from ignorance. Catholic women were given the Virgin Mary as an example. She’s not God, but is clearly placed in the hierarchy above the angels as the first of creation.
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On the planet Earth, some Christians still own slaves.
…or is it that slaves don’t count unless they’re “white”?
Also, on the planet Earth, where the Bible is published, it clearly states in the New Testament that slaves are supposed to obey their owners. That’s Christian values.
It also says that if a man divorces his wife, he forces her to commit adultery, and that all sorts of eunuchs have a special place in heaven.
Angels, according to Christian doctrine, are basically deities that got demoted, and they are also asexual. The Virgin Mary supposedly conceived Jesus without sex, and in some denominations, they believe she stayed a virgin.
In what way is this a good example for a wife?
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This just in for Father’s Day:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/fathers-day-ashley-madiso_n_3417949.html
Nine (9) percent of cheatin’ married ‘hos on Ashley Madison say their kid(s) ian’t their hubby’s and another sixteen (16) percent ain’t sure.
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Of course there is considerable selection bias given that they surveyed women looking for an affair.
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AM is a scam. Just Google it.
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Well, with “leaky” in your title I thought about my recent trans-continental road trip with ForeignBride, where I drank a lot of coffee and hit every rest stop. I tole my sister, then joked that I was “56 and could be an actor in a FloMax or Viagra commercial”. Yesterday my mother, whom we had traveled to visit, confronted me about my “prostate issues”.
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I stopped reading when I saw “sexual market” claimed to be a Chateau Heartiste concept. It’s a Michel Houellebecq concept adopted by CH. The more credit an individual gives to others, the more credit and credence is given to that individual’s original ideas.
[CH: It is possible for one idea to be arrived at independently by two parties.]
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Leibniz and Newton, bitchessss.
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“I stopped reading” is the filthy cousin of “Wow. Just wow”
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I stopped reading at “filthy cousin” – mmmmmmm.
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Also a guy on the usenet calling himself “The Danimal” has been using the same concept.
By the way, if I claim I came up with gravity, would gravity still apply to objects?
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There is the template for the religion of evo-psych assertion. Anybody can play phrenologist!
Seriously — one step above Scientology. There is absolutely no scientific method going on here. All fantastical conjecture, facts retrofitted to the doctrine rather than evidence shaping the contours of a truly amendable conclusion.
Yes, I know, I’ll see myself to the door. Don’t drink from the punch bowl I peed in.
Matt
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i would agree but it seems to be reproduce able as are the majority of concepts here.
what do they call not understanding something but trusting the outcome you see demonstrated over and over? oh yeah, faith.
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Great post, one of the reasons I visit here (though others HAVE thought of these things before, FYI).
You lost me in the last line, though. The even-handed science was lost in a grand finale of explosive scare tactics UNRELATED TO EVO PSYCH.
You’re better than that.
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RE: (2) Met a smokin’ hot girl (well, smokin’ hot for mid thirties; I’m mid fifties) who lives about four hours away. I won’t friend her on FB (she has THOUSANDS of FB friends, many of whom are beta orbiters) or add her to my LinkedIn in spite of her constant cajoling. She works in HR and is immensely proud of her masters in HR so any time she screws up I call her “HR Babe.” I’m distant, won’t return half her calls or texts, and chisel away at her (very high) self esteem every chance I get. When she flaked on my a couple of months ago I ignored her completely for six weeks. Other sources assure me that it drove her absolutely crazy. She says I’m “intriguing,” probably because I’m the first guy she’s met that won’t dance to her tune.
None of this comes natural to me, a born beta. But OMG does it work. Does it ever.
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Wow good work dude. I continue to fail to put CH’s teachings into practice even though I know I need to.
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A couple months ago I deleted all the HB’s on my Facebook. Last week I took the next step and nuked my FB entirely. If I need to make contact with an HB I get her number and call her.
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What’s “Facebook”?
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Yeah.
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It took you until your FIFTIES to learn aloof game? Damn, I was figuring it out by 19 …. by 24 it was well practiced.
Your penance: Direct younger men to this site.
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Found this blog (and others) after the end of a sixteen-year marriage where I was the classic well-educated hard-working beta provider so I am very much in the “recovering beta” category. Even the simplest game principles (again, none of which come naturally to me) work wonders in my current social life and have revolutionized my relationship with my daughters. My son (now 21) was a natural and I have tutored him as best I can. He’s starting to pay attention, especially after I convinced him to dump the fat entitled princess to which he was engaged. Game works!
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What do you mean about that comment re: your daughters? Serious question. I have 2 daughters.
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Liberal application of basic relationship game principles has transformed my entitled, spoiled, free-spending, shit-testing princesses (now 14 and 21) into obedient, well-mannered, frugal, loving, respectful daughters who now view their mom (rather then me) as the source of most of the crap in their lives. Not bad, given that I didn’t even know what a shit test WAS four years ago. The divorce was seven years ago. The first three years after their mom held sway. Relationship Game changed that, forever.
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Fantastic!
I’ve started doing the same on my daughters. I hope to achieve the same thing.
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Now that’s a good father. You should be proud.
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>>>A study found that female rats who had their forebrains — the neocortex — removed continued to function sexually
This would certainly explain MTV’s various ‘reality’ programs.
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I’ll have to try it on my SO.
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I’m glad to see that there’s research being done into the actions of spouses in abuse situations. In a way, the person in that family who ignores the child’s pleas for help is committing the greater evil. A child might be able to overcome their dad raping them if their mom acts soon and swiftly, but to have that second parent walk away from their responsibility… can’t see how that wouldn’t fuck the poor kid up worse.
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In case you missed my reply in the Ramirez thread:
cynthia,
The distinction between “fantasy” and “reality” is not sharp. Thoughts are real; they have consequences.
You are correct that women are *filthy* when it comes to their sexual thoughts and urges, but you are wrong to qualify these thoughts as mere “fantasy.”
An easy way to make a female come very hard — indeed, to become addicted to one as a lover — is to speak about such things while fucking. Stare at her and encourage these thoughts to be spoken while fucking her well.
Very few men do this — which is a good thing. What you will hear from a sufficiently saturated female is startling; in fact, many men would be stunned to the point of ending the act.
There are certain themes that come up again and again, with all women, of all classes, and these themes, once they are allowed to be spoken, flower with great intensity. A woman will fuck, listening rapt to the most depraved narratives imaginable, and for many hours — there will be no thought of stopping. I’ve often felt that they love this activity beyond anything else, and this is especially true of the most beautiful and intelligent women.
The women reading this know what I’m writing is truth; the men will scoff. The comedy, as always, is free.
***************
Another note on “fantasy.” I’ve often asked females in the heat of this speaking-fucking if they would *do* the things which excite them so much — would they commit or relishingly observe these acts if they were certain they would get away with it. Unpleasant things; unpleasant acts. They have always answered the same way, with a deep and hoarse and definitive yes.
The reason we see so few females acting on such “fantasies” has nothing to do with them being less inclined to consider these acts as realities, and everything to do with their ultimate fear as women, which is to be exposed, shamed and outcast.
These is no venue more amoral than a soaking, elated cunt and its associated brain.–
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Look, I think we’re talking about the same thing here from different angles. I agree with you that that’s the way women work when it comes to sexual arousal, but you’re missing my point. Speaking, listening, reading… those things aren’t anything I’d define as real. That’s fantasy. We’re in to fantasy.
We fall in love with stories, with narratives, with things we create (or men create) in our heads. Arousal for us is mostly not about a tactile interface with reality, but an idea that’s held in the mind and overlaid onto the physical, to the point where rational considerations are gone. This is the difference between role-playing a rape situation and actually being raped.
There are a few women who would gladly jump straight into the worst of these imagined scenarios, just like there are women who literally get off on their husbands raping little boys. But at the same time, I don’t think that reflects a healthy, representative sexuality. There is a certain amount of peer-imposed repression that goes on in our society, but when pretend BDSM erotica is an international best seller, can we really hold that up as a valid excuse? There are women who are eager to try the things in RL that make them hard when they’re reading about them, but that doesn’t mean they’ll necessarily have the same reaction to it (except as far as the depravity-is-hot thing goes). No woman is actually aroused by having her husband do all the housework, but many of us would insist that we are.
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Re that ever recurring serial killer charisma thing. I still didn’t notice any mention of percentage being part of the assertion or argument or discussion.
Is it 30% of women who send love letters to serial killers? Is it 50% of women? Is it 90%? Is it 0.000001%?
Thought that would be kind of relevant information.
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It is not that demographic that matters
it is the large percentage of women who dream about being sexually abused by aggressive dominant males
Fifty Shades of Grey has sold over 70 million copies.
and obviously the friends, sisters, coworkers of those 70 million women then borrowed the book and read it too.
so in the end it is probably a couple hundred millions of women who have read and have loved reading that book
Harlequin novels used to be the most sold and read books on the planet
In each and everyone of the Harlequin novel, an aggressive dominant males takes the woman by force, it is not rape but very close, and the woman loves it
If most women buy those books, and love those books ( many women post proudly on their Facebook page that they read and loved Fifty Shades of Grey ) it does matter how many of them fall in love with serial killers.
We know women love aggressive dominant males and that women dream and fantasize ( and probably wish and hope ) a dominant aggressive male will take them by force and abuse them sexually as in Fifty Sades of Grey.
If women did not fantasize about dominant aggressive sexually abusive males, they would not buy those books by the hundreds of millions ( Harlequin + Fifty shades )
How many straight men buy gay porn or gay litterature?
Probably zero or such a tiny number that is insignificant
Why?
because we do not fantasize about being sodomized by men.
Need I say more?
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Anectdotal data. I’m a well-educated professional in his mid-fifties. My girlfriends are typically in their thirties or forties. One in particular has read and likes the 50 shades trilogy, so (note that I’ve never done or even tried anything like this before)…
We go to a movie (premier of Star Trek Into Darkness in glorious IMAX 3D); I’m in my usual professional garb of jacket and tie. We get back to her house. In the foyer – without saying a word – I take off my tie and blindfold her with it. Then I order her to her knees. It was glorious – especially the way her eyes sparkled afterwards. Now it’s become a regular part of our routine: I walk in the door and she drops to her knees, sometimes on command but occasionally without a word.
The next week: we go to bed. I’ve already prepared, without her knowledge, a bathrobe sash and lotion. After a bit of foreplay I tie her hands behind her back, lube her up, and take her ass – first-time ever anal for her other than finger play. Conversation later:
Her: I thought you were going to come in my mouth.
Me: Next time.
Lessons: Women love to submit to a dominant, confident man. Women will reward you for being sexually forward. Women will surprise you by what they’re willing to do, especially if you tell them to do it.
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I don’t think the research on Facebook’s impact on self-esteem is anywhere near conclusive. There are multiple studies that point to Facebook as actually having the opposite effect as what is suggested in this post….namely, when people see how much better their ‘friend’s’ lives (or the edited portions thereof) on Facebook, they feel worse about themselves.
Facebook only has a positive impact on self-esteem for those with closer ties to a smaller group of friends. This is rarely the case for young women, who seem to request and accept requests from anyone and everyone.
http://www.hu-berlin.de/press-portal/nachrichten-en/nr1301/nr_130121_00
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cyber.2011.0324
http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2013/0409-alcohol-use-anxiety-predict-facebook-use-by-college-students-mu-study-finds/
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So maybe Facebook just messes with self-esteem, period. Throws you high and then casts you low. Particularly females.
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RE: #6. It would seem that we’ve already got the legal framework in place to hold accountable the spouses of child abusers. What else is the designation “accessory” and “accessory after the fact,” if not for offenses like that? And in many of those cases, proving her culpability in a court of law shouldn’t be all that difficult, not if the victims can specifically state that the abusers’ wives were present during the abuse.
It boggles the mind that we’re not already prosecuting these cases.
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Which mind, precisely, does it boggle? The mind that believes that all women are angels and victims, or the mind that believes that it’s always the man’s fault?
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…erm, the mind that thinks anyone who stands by while a child is being abused needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? That mind.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/11/3445224/mom-held-after-4-year-olds-death.html women hate their own children. the soul of a woman was created below
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Unfortunately, cases like that are all too common. However, males don’t get off the hook here.
I know somebody who’s involved with CPS, and they told me that whenever a child dies an unnatural death, the perpetrator is (in descending order of likelihood):
1. The mother’s new boyfriend or husband (e.g., not the father of the child);
2. The mother herself;
3. The biological father;
4. An extremely distant fourth, someone else in the family like a sibling; and the distantly unlikely option;
5. A stranger.
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For women, children are a means to get commitment from the biological father. For a single mom looking to nail commitment from a new guy, her kids by the prior guy are often a resented liability,since they reduce her sexual market value.
A woman who, without a child, could get a male 9, would have to settle for a 7 or below if the guy also has to support her spawn by another guy.
One big reason why men should seek (and be granted) custody of their children.
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MichaelC, but wouldn’t that lower the man’s SMV if he were the primary caretaker of his out-of-wedlock child? A prole man once tried to flirt with me in a Walmart…he casually mentioned as we were perusing the aisle that he was looking for a gift for his daughter. As he was already dressed in a prole manner, he was unattractive to me but when he mentioned his daughter his SMV instantly fell to 0. I highly doubt he was divorced or widowed as he seemed to be only 24 years old and very prole looking. I think that men who become full-time single dads take a serious hit to their SMV.
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“The mother’s new boyfriend or husband (e.g., not the father of the child);”
This is the mothers fault, because its she who decides who that man will be. And let us be real here, the average man is not a childkiller; the men who who are capable of those kinds of acts are on the right side of the bell-curve when it comes to sociopathy and they are probably chosen(by the women) just because of that inspite of the danger to the children.
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“I know somebody who’s involved with CPS, and they told me that whenever a child dies an unnatural death, the perpetrator is (in descending order of likelihood):
“1. The mother’s new boyfriend or husband (e.g., not the father of the child);
2. The mother herself;
3. The biological father;”
Goes to show you what a scary group of bigots CPS has. The overwhelming majority of custodial Child murders are committed by women. LOL at putting men first.
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Too many men do believe that the women are always angels or victims, and too many women go along with this due to denial or rationalizing their own dirt. More often than not though, the woman herself is a manipulator who is every bit as screwed up as the guy she’s with.
If a woman leaves the first time a guy seriously strikes her or one of her kids or does something heinous, that is a victim. If it’s ongoing, that’s an accessory. Same when it’s the other way around with a female abuser.
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>> It would seem that we’ve already got the legal framework in place to hold accountable the spouses of child abusers<<
The reason it doesn't happen is that prosecutors need the woman to testify against the guy, in order to ensure a conviction or at least a hard plea bargain. In order to get her testimony, they have to offer her immunity.
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An ugly bargain. I’d say that, if they can prove that she stood by and let it happen, they should say “fuck you” and use it against her in a court of law.
Of course, that won’t be tenable in every case. Sometimes, you won’t have enough proof without her testimony. But not always. Not if you get creative. And if you can get creative, and hang her ass out to dry too, that will cut down on the number of these evil wastes of carbon who stand by and let their kids get Chestered.
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And you can’t go after them in civil court because you could just as well sue the husband and get all “her” money.
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“The problem is that a lot of these women love their psychopathic spouses.”
Oh yes, Karla Homolka Syndrome. The attraction to killers and ignoring of child abuse should surprise no one by now. Unlike feminists I believe that sociopathy and sadism are evenly distributed between genders, but women (being naturally more passive and low-T) are less likely to act on those urges. What they are likely to do, however, is to drift toward equally sociopathic male criminals and leech vicarious thrills from their evil behavior. Feminists refuse to acknowledge this and instead pretend that their is no rational explanation for women’s attraction to violent men, because it contradicts their narrative that women can only be passive victims of male violence.
For those who are into horror movies, I watched a pretty good one called “Stoker” recently that explored this theme quite effectively. It was even slightly red-pill in that it portrayed the female enabler as just as psychotic and evil as the male killer.
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but women (being naturally more passive and low-T) are less likely to act on those urges.
Actually, one experiment found that women were more likely than men to engage in or watch torture if they were doing it anonymously, i.e., nobody could tell they were women.
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If you read testimony about some of the female concentration camp guards, these truths become self evident.
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And if you believe even half of said testimony in re all things Holocaust, well… “truth” and “self evident” aren’t even in the same zip code.
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Solzhenitsyn also reported that female guards in the Lubyanka were more vicious than men, if I recall correctly.
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Him I’d believe… but I’m not sure this is a revelation… the female of the species is deadlier than the male, and all that.
My previous point was that, when it comes to Germany and WWII, Truth is often the first casualty.
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Stolfi’s meta-biography of the Unspeakable is a good entry-point.
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lzozlzolzozlzo http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/politics/state-department-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 zlozlzozlzolzozllz
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major zlozlzolzozlzozozozo http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/11/lawmakers-ring-in-kate-uptons-21st-birthday/#politics?hpt=politics_zite1_featured .zozlzozllzozlzooz
She was 19 when she became an international sex symbol by being naked on the cover of a magazine with average male subscriber readership aged 57 zlzolzozlozz
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Kate Upton is a fat pig. Missionary ending in titty fucking and a titty/ facial cumblast followed by immediately leaving.
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Question: when a girl gives you the very quick “up and down” scan with her eyes when you meet her, is this always a sign of attraction, or at the very least a sign that she finds you visually pleasant? This seems like a very subconscious thing women do.
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When I do it to a girl, I’m just checking her out to gauge her hotness. Doesn’t mean anything, except that she’s straight.
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She’s just checking to see what you’re working with. Although if her eyes linger for more than a few second she probably does find you attractive (or unusually ugly.)
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The surest sign of attraction is if she checks herself out just before meeting you.
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I would love to see you analyse this gif. I believe this is what every newbie thinks will happen on his first approach.
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Tries to molest unsuspecting victim. The roles are reversed in an ironic plot twist. Voila.
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He assumed a begging position and then proceeded to intrude in her personal space. If a hobo came 5 inches away from your face how would you react?
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This is what should happen, when such an approach occurs on the street by a stranger.
Unlike those “authentic” (lulz) PUA cold approach videos oft-touted here at the chateau.
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Meanwhile… http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/march/1361848247/karen-hitchcock/fat-city
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“the fatter you are the greater your ecological footprint. Globally, we are carrying 18.5 million tonnes of excess fat under the skin of the overweight and obese, which – if it were still food rather than adipose tissue – would feed 300 million people for life. Fat people have been compared to petrol-guzzling cars. I feel terrible typing these sentences. I apologise; they are ugly.”
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If a fat-hating version of the Nahtzees took over and started burning fat people, it would solve all our energy problems.
… I’ll get my coat.
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It didn’t used to be like this. Young people today are a bunch of soft, entitled pussies. But frankly, more people living in the 3rd world is hardly a good trade off.
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Found via Instapundit —
“New study finds females play active, pivotal role in postcopulatory processes”
http://phys.org/news/2013-06-females-pivotal-role-postcopulatory.html
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Provide a link to some sort of online ninja game or something like that when.posting such a horrifying aggravating article about spouses of child mmolesters. I’m fucking fuming here and hoping the rapture comes tonight.
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“You can have open borders or the welfare state, but not both.” — M. Friedman.”
I am no fan of his, but truer words were rarely spoken.
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question for CH readers.. so I TA at a college getting my masters and I sent out an email to my class and I got one back from a 6-7 in my class
“Thanks for a fun quarter! It’s the first time I actually enjoyed going to section.
Hope to see you around!”
how can I flip this to see if she really wants to see me
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Operation ‘Troll The NSA’
http://trollthensa.com/
Neutron bomb
ICBM
Stealth bomber
Cruise missile
Trident submarine
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There is software that’s used to spam blogs that could be used for that kind of operation. But it’s wrong to do such a thing and I would advise against it.
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I appreciate that this is on a slight tangent but bear with me –
Liberace was alpha.
Yes, I’ll repeat, Liberace was alpha.
Last Saturday I went to see Behind the Candelabra at a multiplex in Dublin, begorrah, and loved the film. Michael Douglas does loads of great shit.
Anyway, I was very impressed with Liberace.
By the criteria of the Chateau, Liberace was a high alpha:-
(1) right up to his death Liberace got a shitload of rough sex from people who were only a fraction of his age – adults, mind you – but hot and young adults. He had the libido of a rabbit on viagra;
(2) Liberace made his own rules. Starting his career as a concert pianist (and Liberace was one of the most talented pianists ever) he realised that he preferred and could make more money from abandoning the straight (heh) routine and adapting the over the top routine that he would eventually epitomise. Liberace was one of the first entertainers ever to realise the potential of directly targeting the mass market;
(3) Liberace lived an alpha lifestyle, cubed: over the top, bling, extravagent, ridiculous, outlandish. He was also a narcissistic bad boy who always got his own way and who didn’t give a fuck what anyone else thought;
(4) Liberace had an “inexplicable” (but only if you’ve NOT read the Chateau) magnetism. This was evident in his shows which would end with the audience coming onto the stage to hug and kiss him etc etc;
(5) despite everything, Liberace was basically likeable – he had a dumbass wit (albeit very camp and queeny) which could make the audience laugh. More importantly (and like Dubya) he CONNECTED – blue-collar Americans felt (like Dubya) that he was one of their own. Compare to Obama …
Liberace was also culturally important – he brought classical music to ordinary people who would never have got any joy or appreciation of it. Sure, he was the antithesis of everything academic (and musical academics) stand for, but he gave people joy through music –
(6) Liberace did not take himself seriously when others did, but did when others did not;
(7) Liberace left lovers like Scott who would lament about how their man mistreated them (and, Christ, did Liberace mistreat Scott?!?!) but who never lost their beating flame for him. Remember, Scott visited the old queen on his deathbed.
RIP Liberace – may I live a fraction of the life you did.
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Very interesting.
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By the way, sometimes the handle on my avatar gets confused. Dunno why. “Chris from Dublin” and me are the same guy. It’s fuckin maddening.
Anyway, re. Liberace: the great tragedy was that this brilliant man could never reconcile to his own sexuality. Such a pity because he’d so much to be proud of
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There was an interview back in the day, with Mike Douglas or Merv Griffin (himself a rump wrangler extraordinaire)…
“So, Lee, how come you’re not married?”
(in his best mincing voice)
“I guess I just never found the right girl.”
Yeah… one with a dick… llzozozozlzlzlzozozlzlzlzlzlzozozozlzlzlzlzl
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Liberace is a model of the tolerable old flaming queen from back in the day, when he literally sued a magazine to remain nominally in the closet. Nominal is fine. It’s the attempted normalization of your pathologies that bring the brimstone.
Matt
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Women love Alpha males, like/tolerate Beta schlubs and loathe Omega dweebs.
Nothing new to see here.
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Diversity is our strength, Comrade. Yes indeed.
http://tinyurl.com/o4jtlkb
“The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission on Tuesday accused two major companies [BMW and Dollar General] of indirectly discriminating against African Americans by using criminal background checks to screen out workers.
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Although the commission said employers are allowed to conduct background checks, it charged that the companies’ blanket policies of not hiring candidates with criminal records amounted to discrimination against African Americans.”
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In keeping with the science theme, I read a. study that said.feminine (attractive) women were sexually attracted to dominant, violent, controlling men and that the higher the men scored on these traits the more attractive feminine women found them. Masculine women had the opposite trend.
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It is maddening. Whenever I try to make a post on this blog it comes up as christianmorris. My handle on this blog is “Chris from Dublin”.
Anyway, it was me who posted this:-
“I appreciate that this is on a slight tangent but bear with me –
Liberace was alpha.
Yes, I’ll repeat, Liberace was alpha.
Last Saturday I went to see Behind the Candelabra at a multiplex in Dublin, begorrah, and loved the film. Michael Douglas does loads of great shit.
Anyway, I was very impressed with Liberace.
By the criteria of the Chateau, Liberace was a high alpha:-
(1) right up to his death Liberace got a shitload of rough sex from people who were only a fraction of his age – adults, mind you – but hot and young adults. He had the libido of a rabbit on viagra;
(2) Liberace made his own rules. Starting his career as a concert pianist (and Liberace was one of the most talented pianists ever) he realised that he preferred and could make more money from abandoning the straight (heh) routine and adapting the over the top routine that he would eventually epitomise. Liberace was one of the first entertainers ever to realise the potential of directly targeting the mass market;
(3) Liberace lived an alpha lifestyle, cubed: over the top, bling, extravagent, ridiculous, outlandish. He was also a narcissistic bad boy who always got his own way and who didn’t give a fuck what anyone else thought;
(4) Liberace had an “inexplicable” (but only if you’ve NOT read the Chateau) magnetism. This was evident in his shows which would end with the audience coming onto the stage to hug and kiss him etc etc;
(5) despite everything, Liberace was basically likeable – he had a dumbass wit (albeit very camp and queeny) which could make the audience laugh. More importantly (and like Dubya) he CONNECTED – blue-collar Americans felt (like Dubya) that he was one of their own. Compare to Obama …
Liberace was also culturally important – he brought classical music to ordinary people who would never have got any joy or appreciation of it. Sure, he was the antithesis of everything academic (and musical academics) stand for, but he gave people joy through music –
(6) Liberace did not take himself seriously when others did, but did when others did not;
(7) Liberace left lovers like Scott who would lament about how their man mistreated them (and, Christ, did Liberace mistreat Scott?!?!) but who never lost their beating flame for him. Remember, Scott visited the old queen on his deathbed.
RIP Liberace – may I live a fraction of the life you did.
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Heh, heh… for 50 minutes she stands there like the “strong womyn” Rock of Gibralter, going through the whole litany of shaming language, pseudo-grrrl-power authority, etc.
Finally, call the police… do an emotional 180, start blubbering immediately and act like the damsel in distress… lulz on her later tactics “Why don’t you tell him (meaning the present policeman) what you think of cops?” and “WAAAAHHH, I just want a hug!”
This film is a text book primer of modern femicuntalism… and male betatude, especially on the part of new hubby.
The kid, however, has a chance of future manhood.
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Everyone should do a 30 day challenge. Everyone should just approach hot girls. Self-regard? Rapidly rising. Macheviallianism? Social dynamics are reduced to tactics and desired outcomes. Psychopathy? The more they push back, the less I give a fuck. I can pretty much feel my confidence ossifying. I’m almost never -in- state any more — when I am, it’s great, but I care less and less if I’m -in- state.
That said, as I’ve started working harder and harder on my body language, tone, and just sharpening my wit in general….my reactions have started getting worse.
Like, example —>
Me: (blah blah blah) you’re the dominant one
7.5: No I’m not. That test is wrong, I’m definitely not the dominant one.
Me: I guess we can settle on the ironic one (smile, open body language, palms up…her body language is closed — she’s sitting down, looking up at me. No real response to the joke)
6.5: Wait….what is this?!
Me: A conversation (said lightly, with a more subdued smile, hand gestures in a half circle slowly)
6.5: Yeah but I mean you just came up and talked to us
Me: Do they not let you talk to strangers?
6.5: It’s just hella random (in a trying to tool me tone as she looks to her friend for support — given)
Me: Jesus, stop being snooty bitches and join the world already (stated with a smile and relaxed body language)
7.5: I don’t like that word
Me: When then stop being it, right?
7.5: ….whatever, thanks for the effort….
Me: Of humor….?
7.5: Ya….
Me: Alas, wasted
7.5: I don’t what this is, but you failed, now g’bye (mean tone — closed body language, still strong eye contact against my open posture and slightly dimmed smile)
Me: Well at least it didn’t get rude (still keeping it light, reining in my own emotions)
7.5: YOU are being rude!
Me: Oh really? Darn. Keep it classy (I eject — can’t get blood from a stone, I figure)
A little while later, I’m standing in line at the bar. 7.5 and 6.5 both see me, I’m just sure to offer a light smile/smirk and then slowly look away. When I turn back, I notice two girls in front of me (I didn’t know it was them yet), and one ‘accidentally’ stepped on my shoe
Me: Hey, did you guys just cut me? That’s kind of rude (they turn around) Oh….heeeeeeeeeey (smile)
7.5: Well you were rude earlier so I guess that makes us even
Me: To think you could have cut any guy, but you chose meeeeeee….
7.5: Whatever, not talking to you any more…..
Me: ….well that’s uncivilized (I think this is funny so it just makes me naturally smile; doesn’t hit, doesn’t register as funny to her….)
7.5: YOU’RE UNCIVILIZED, AND THAT’S WHY YOU DON’T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND (lolwtf I have no more tricks in the bag to calm this girl down….clearly we don’t share the same sense of humor/I’m not high value to her enough for her to listen)
Me: ….well aren’t you the little barbarian
(baaaackturrrrrned…..)
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But ya, I’ve been blown out more than once now with some variation of ‘you’re being really rude omg!’ (By a 7, an 8, and another 7.5) after doing (what seems to me) fairly routine/not out of the ordinary things. Which is weird. On the inside, I feel like a million bucks. Sometimes when I say things in set I just get the urge to laugh because I honestly think it’s that funny. I try to use strong body language, I play with the tonality of my voice more to produce the correct intent. But, like I said before, all of that just seems to be getting me -worse- reactions from hot girls. I want to understand for purposes of the skillset….
Like, pulling back on my approach style just ends in ‘sets to nowhere’ where it’s just talking and bullshitting. Fuck that. Any insight on this would be appreciated.
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Fun stuff to field-test:
The jizz opener —- after a frustrating round of sets, I was determined to just have some fun. So…..”Hey, you guys (get attention. When you have attention, pantomime you jacking off and spraying the jizz on them….pause) OHJESUSCHRIST LET ME CLEAN THAT UP, I’M SORRY, I’M SO SORRY, I HATE IT WHEN THIS HAPPENS!” (kino on the girls as you wipe them off)
Kissed (no tongue, no makeout….one day I’ll just go 90 on a 7 real fast and it’ll work >( ) a 7 within like two minutes after using this opener. I’ve only tried it three times. The second time I got an ‘are you insane’ look. The last time, the girl nervously smiled and literally just walked away.
“No Facebook/Cell Phone.”
This, so far, has been interesting. If a girl is on her phone, just sternly point your finger at her and say either ‘no facebook’ or ‘no cell phone.’ Every time I’ve tried it, they’ve actually complied. If you say ‘no facebook’ and they say ‘I’m not on facebook’ just say ‘no cellphone.’
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Scray, you sound like some darky just waiting to get his head handed to him… “jizz opened”, heh?
Have the SWPLs sunk so low that they tolerate those antics in their presence?
C’mon over to my side of town and get one in the yarbles, you knave… if’n ya got any yarbles, eunuch jelly thou.
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Racial epithet and appeal to “lost” mores: COMBO. Movie quotation: FATALITY.
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More like three strikes, mofo… against you.
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How to Foreplay with Men, by Greg Eliot.
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It’s always about butthexting with you muh-dik types.
You fairy.
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Why the decimal points? 1-10 not enough for you?
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Because it’s hard for me to tell in the club sometimes. She looks one way, 7. She looks another, 8.
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I see, like the two face Seinfeld episode (The Strike). So you have a makeup and lighting adjusted 8 which is a 7.5?
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Yeah something like that. I spend an inordinate amount of mental time trying to place girls I’m talking to in set on the scale — probably a weakness. I just think the only real measure of someone’s game is how well they’re able to do when the girls are better-looking than they are…which is why keeping track of that stuff seems useful.
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This is some of the most sickeningly try-hard beta drivel I’ve read here to date. Have you ever even had sex for which cash payment was not a prerequisite?
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And lo, TiBby spoke from the alpha ivory tower of empty cheetos bags, scented dick lube, and 120hz LED.
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Can anyone comment on this? It obviously worked but the first 5 minutes were so cringe worthy and so against stuff like RSD.
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[…] heartiste references an abstract found here, with science showing why females […]
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Heartiste, I think this deserves a separate post: being a pedophile is better than being a beta male.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201204/what-predators-wives-really-know
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I posted this on your ‘About’ page but I think it may have gotten stuck in the spam filter. I’ve been intrigued by this blog for a while and like it for its brutal honesty but sometimes feel like it goes too far in terms of vitriol and hyperbole. Anyway, the reason I’m posting this here is because I think this is one of the few blogs that tells it like it is on the subject of race and attraction, which is what my problem is concerned with.
I’m an American citizen of Indian origin. I spent most of my childhood and completed my undergrad in India, and I’m now in grad school in the US.
Brief description of me: About 5″6, 116 pounds, light brown skin, short black hair (I keep it short because I don’t have the time to take care of it, but plan on growing it out in the coming year). I’d say I’m a 6, and maybe a 6.5 once I grow my hair out. I speak English fluently but with a slight Indian accent, and most of my friends in the US are SWPL whites, other Indian and Indian-American grad students.
Ever since I got to the US, the only guys that have hit on me have been black men. Most of them are working class (because the statistics skew that way, I suppose), but some educated, well-off ones as well.
My problem is that I’m physically not attracted to black men at all. Nothing against them, but my tastes just don’t lie in that direction. I’m attracted mostly to brown guys of Indian origin or the tanner, dark-haired white guys (like Italians or Greeks). Unfortunately, I never seem to attract these guys and a rarely approached by them when I go out. OTOH, I’ve seen East and South-East Asian girls attract and keep Indian and Caucasian guys with no problem at all.
My question is- are Indian women seen as unattractive to men in the US? And is there anything I can do to my appearance/attitude change this?
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Too culturally different.
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A clinical analysis of dread game? http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201109/fear-inspired-sex-womans-ultimate-defense-or-weapon
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There is much truth in CH “rules” or musings. Just, I find large amount of it very superficial or simply one-sided. Chicks did jerks. Yes- but which chicks. In reality- chicks dig artists, when they can.Not only of high caliber types like Liszt, Chopin, Hugo, Balzac, Paganini, …or their trivial successors in the Beatles or much lesser status musicians. Music is about dancing and emotion (not the greatest music like Bach or Bruckner), and that this simply drives females into hypnotic trance of sex submission. No need of game, no confidence, no money, no power, no shit tests, no alpha,…just plain ole guitar or any string instrument.
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No need of game, no confidence, no money, no power, no shit tests, no alpha,…just plain ole guitar or any string instrument.
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actually, and empty guitar case is just as good.
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Ever since I got to the US, the only guys that have hit on me have been black men
Indian women are ugly, and that’s probably the best reason to be against Indian immigration. Plain and simple, small cities in Russia and Argentina have more beautiful girls than all of the subcontinent put together, and I mean India + Pakistan + Bangladesh
Sorry, but that’s the deal. Not only you are ugly, but you are unable of producing beautiful daughters
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ha did you just get dumped by one?
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The results of this study provide strong support for the general hypothesis that the sexes differ not merely in the tactics used to keep a mate, but also in the variables that affect the intensity of mate retention efforts. Men exhibit resource display as a mate retention tactic while women were more likely to use appearance enhancements to retain a mate. Men reported greater use of submission and debasement and intrasexual threats as mate retention tactics while women used more verbal possession signals and were more punishing of their partner’s infidelity threats. Also, men were more likely than women to justify their extramarital sex and experience less guilt when they engaged in it. Men’s mate retention tactics are clearly linked with youth and perceived physical attractiveness of their wife, while women’s mate retention tactics are linked with the effort their spouse allocated to status striving. Finally, it was noted that particular forms of mate retention may be early indictors of the physical abuse of wives. It was found that many had high levels of mate concealment, vigilance, and derogation of mate.
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