A 30 year old couglet writes to Slate’s Emily Yoffe (first mistake) about the strange pull that an unemployed, alcoholic alpha male ex-fling badboy has on her romantic imagination, while a loyal and NICE dentist betaboy who’s practically begging her to marry him can’t seem to fire up her loins. Bonus track: The badboy nearly gave her herpes.
I would leave everything I have to be with [the guy who almost gave me herpes and dumped me after a weekend of multiple orifice violating that I wouldn’t dream of allowing my beta dentist fiance to do to me].
Five minutes of alpha…
A regular CH reader, Zombie Shane, left a comment over at Slate (amazingly left undeleted) which sent the femborgs and manboobs ululating into righteous, backboob swinging, indignation.
Two points:
1) Women are incapable of knowing what they want – if they knew what they wanted, then they’d be men.
2) What this particular woman wants is what every woman wants – the gina tingles which come from the dangerous liaisons with an “alpha” cad – not the bed-death predictability which comes from entering into the prison which is married life with a boring, dependable, politically-correct, utterly emasculated “beta” dad.
Alpha cads, not beta dads.
That’s what women want.
So either dentist dude can step it up a notch, grow a pair, and start acting like a man, or else he can prepare [or at least he ought to prepare] for a lifetime of raising a family full of children who were biologically sired by the likes of her tennis instructor at the country club.
“dutchshepherdconspiracytheory” replies,
Oh so glad one of the menz could tell me what I wanted.
Anyone who (erroneously) pluralizes words with the letter z is guaranteed to be a triple-chinned nerdo leftoid or cauliflower-thighed chunkster chick. No exceptions.
Is it the alcoholism, unemployment or herpes that women love about sexy badboys? No. What women love about them is their ATTITUDE.
The attitude dictates that you don’t care whether she comes, stays, lays, or prays. I mean whatever happens, your toes are still tappin’. Now when you got that, then you have the attitude.
The Attitude is sex panther cologne reformulated to work 100% 100% of the time. The Attitude is powerful enough to induce in women a quasi-catatonic, chronically orgasmic state that renders them unable to discriminate against men failing on several objective measures of conventional mate worth. Many sexy cads with venereal diseases, low future time orientation and crippling addictions do well with women because they possess The Attitude, and that is often all that’s needed to outcompete beta males for drilling rights to women’s peak nubility hearts.
“1) Women are incapable of knowing what they want – if they knew what they wanted, then they’d be men.”
Game, set, motherfuckin match! Bwahahahaha
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somedayz i think dat we can just shut down da inetenretz ofr the next ten yearz as my poetry da GBFM poeetry coverz it alzll zlzozozo
“da professional womenz ode”
alpha fucks and beta bucks
dat is how we roll
da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks (multiple orifice violating)
and in our anuthes it doth deosul
alpha (drunk loser) fucks and beta (dentist) bucks
it is da way of da fed
to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
cuckold dose who pay for our bread
beta bucks and alpha fucks
it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
da assetts from betas we plucks
after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz
cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
and say da great books for menz was all fools.
yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats
lzoozozozoz she is deisstined 4 catz lzozozooz funded of course by her beta dentistz who wil fail to service the buttititnglez beernrke uimplaneted in her during all d abenrkififying sessisonz zlozoozoz
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lzozozozoz
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/dis-is-da-new-stack-of-pillow-i-bendz-ur-ass-oveerzz-when-youz-cumz-oversz-2-da-gbfmz-house-lzozozo/
lzozlzozzolozozozz
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FIVE MINUTES OF ALPHA SHAKESPEAREAN SONNETZ
five minutes of alpha five minutes with da gbfm
i knows dat i will never see him again
but da tinglez in my gina mark me a femm
and da walls get wet for da gbfm pen
as he rips my pantiesz off and gives it to me hard
bending me over his lzlozlozoolzlzzozoz pillow
i know even though he writes like a tard
his words & lostsas cockas reach beyond shallow
five minutes of alpha five minutes with da gbfmz
den he’ll kick me out of his home forever
leave me alone for da discharge of his little menz
and i know dat i will see him again never.
five minutez with da gbfm don’t be a hata
so much better dan ten years with a beta.
lzozozolozozozozozo
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/dis-is-da-new-stack-of-pillow-i-bendz-ur-ass-oveerzz-when-youz-cumz-oversz-2-da-gbfmz-house-lzozozo/
(dis is da new stack of pillow i bendz ur ass oveerzz when youz cumz oversz 2 da gbfmz house lzozozo)
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An illustration of the difference between men and women — heroic concern for society vs. narcissism. A large % of men will get tears in their eyes from contemplating “Standing Man” (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/18/world/europe/turkey-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1). Zero percent of women will. Women also don’t understand why I’m saying this. Women also hate the movie Forrest Gump. Men love it. The reasons are obvious to the men. Jenny chased the bad boys, even ones who physically abused her. Most men, even though not retarded, identify with Forrest. http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/18/world/europe/turkey-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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who r u calling not retarddedz? lzozozozozozoozozz
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DA GBFM rveoltoutinez da internetz woolrd with his ALPHA FUCKS BETA BUCKS POEMZ zlzlozozozooz
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-23971.html “Alpha fux Beta Bux poetry ”
”
Post: #3RE: Alpha fux Beta Bux poetry
GBFM is a genius.
“alpha fucks and beta bucks” — GBFM”
“There is a strange hypnotic brilliance to GBFM.”
“Yeah – his Matrix responses are the best.”
“I think GBFM is Sven Thompson. Read the comment section how he mentions exactly the books GBFM always mentions. He is completely serious here though.”
Also – if I can find it. I will post up one of my favourite comments by him. It is one of the funniest, most bizarre and yet profound comments I have come across.
[EDIT] – Okay I found it. I love this song from GBFM…
“da professional womenz ode”
alpha fucks and beta bucks
dat is how we roll
da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
and in our anuthes it doth deosul
alpha fucks and beta bucks
it is da way of da fed
to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
cuckold dose who pay for our bread
beta bucks and alpha fucks
it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
da assetts from betas we plucks
after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz
cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
and say da great books for menz was all fools.
yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats”
http://therationalmale.com/category/hypergamy-2/
“Chick Logic
In the past I’ve described the female sexual strategy as schizophrenic, but what it really is is pluralistic. All the jokes you read as 4Chan memes about ‘chick logic’ are only funny because we all have an intrinsic, largely unspoken, understanding of this sexual pluralism. The female sexual response is characterized by a dual nature, Alpha fucks and Beta bucks.
That’s the simplistic, distilled version ready for easy consumption and understanding, but the feminine sexual response is much more detailed on an individual level, and much more significant on a social level than just this jargon. Every stimulus bearing on the feminine, from how she’ll explain her girl’s night out to her LTR Beta, to how women in the workplace can rejigger legislature to create a society directed by the feminine imperative, all come back to the Alpha fucks / Beta bucks equation for optimizing Hypergamy.”
lzozoozozozozo graphic!!!
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qzzuz/
lzoozozozoozozozoz omg zlzoozozozo
http://theobserverwatches.blogspot.com/2013/02/europe-trying-to-hide-alpha-fucks-beta.html
http://www.returnofkings.com/3303/american-women-are-mad-they-arent-courted-anymore
“Yes…a friend of mine sent me this article the other day. I laughed really hard. What it is talking about was entirely predictable…and was predicted by many. Women are chasing the alphas and only accepting beta chumps to pay the bills.”
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/woman-admits-to-alpha-fux-beta-bux-dating-strategy/
“Woman Admits To “Alpha Fux, Beta Bux” Dating Strategy” lozozozozozzoz
http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/dating-2-0-a-definition/
“Dating 1.0 was murdered way back in the late 1960s by knife-wielding and birth control-taking women who wanted alpha fucks and beta bucks and so spawned Dating 1.5 where alpha guys had it made and beta men were kept in the dark. Until the Internet and the Manosphere, Dating 1.5 reigned supreme. But now that men are finally figuring out the score, Dating 2.0 has emerged. The only scenario by which we could return to something even vaguely resembling Dating 1.0 is when private, effective, male birth control is widely available.”
http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/over-promise-under-deliver/
“ybm says:
July 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Forgive me if I don’t celebrate women turning against feminism. What will they replace it with is a good analysis to look at:
-They’ll convince men that they are weak, dainty, inferior little creatures who need a man to protect and guide them.
-They’ll probably want to go back to being able to stay at home while hubby works 60+ hours a week at a pay lower than inflation adjusted incomes from the 60s.
– The divorce/alimony/child support/ racket will be kept
– Alpha fucks beta bucks is a genie that wont be going back into the bottle, neither will female promiscuity.
– They will expect chivalry from men again. Including men being conscripted to fight wars for them, ‘women and children first’ and the man always paying on dates.
Some victory. Congrats men! Lay done your arms, the war is over! WE WON!!
And I think for the majority of idiot males, they’d actually think they won.”
zlzozoozozoz
extra extra large t-shrirtss 4 all da bernankakfied womenzz wedidng addition bridesmaiidszz lzlzozozozozo!!!
i need to send dat fatass birdemadedz some t-shirts!!!!!!
http://www.cafepress.com/greatbooksformen.582539775
“da professional womenz ode”
SPECIAL WEDDING EDITION
alpha fucks and beta bucks
dat is how we roll
da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
and in our anuthes it doth deosul
alpha fucks and beta bucks
it is da way of da fed
to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
cuckold dose who pay for our bread
beta bucks and alpha fucks
it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
da assetts from betas we plucks
after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz
SPECIAL EDITION WEDDING CHORUS lzozozozo
i gave it 4 free when i was younger hotter tighter
back in college when i was thirty pounds lighter
can’t hardly wait to butthext yyou in divorce court
and have you fund my favorite buttehxtual sport
gonna buy sexy lingerie with all dat alimonee
fuck & suck alpha cocks as ur beta cock is just 4 pee
tee hee hee teee heee heee l
tee hee hee teee heee heee !
i’m da modern liberated womanz
i buttehxt before and after marriage
and during it too, but not with you
but with the father of da baby in da carriage
lzozozzlozoz
cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
and say da great books for menz was all fools.
yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats
zlzlzzozozozo
zlzoozozozozo
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/big-mistake/
lozozozozozozz
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That does it! I demand the GBFM (TM) to write a Ulysses-type novel, hopefully as long too! It would be the Orlando Furioso of our age, one that the aristocratic children of the post-collapse will be reading when trying to rebuild industrial civilization a hundred years from now.
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OMG CH the Russell Brand thing. He fucking EXCORCZIEIEATEZSZ them zlozlzozozl.
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CH you need to do an entire thread on the Russell Brand video. Did you note the major shit test 5 seconds in, when she claims she’s never heard of him while saying he’s supposed to be a big deal? lzozlzozozl. that kind of pissed him off and he not only passed the shit test but fucking destroyed her for the next 9 minutes. zlzolzozlzlzz look how his face is all business at about 12 seconds. he was actually all business there. great vid
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Yeah, he’s a genius; seriously. It’s kind of sad and sadistic, however– he could still keep his zillionaire icon status and not beat up on people so badly. Then he’d be a genius with class.
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come on he’s a fucking nob. not a patch on any half decent british comic, and American comedians ? fuggeddabahdit . he can keep doing his self-absorbed routines which are what make him popular with women,while th oaps he abuses ton the phone will be remembered long after his5 minutes of fame end (iow,he hits the wall)
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first!
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It’s pretty basic. Women judge your value by how much you value them. It’s really an odd link because for the most part, men don’t value people or things that don’t value them or that other people dont value.
A deadbeat guy with herpes who doesn’t have a job isn’t valued by pretty much anyone….except women he doesn’t value.
Strange bed fellows. And i don’t think it has much to do with “women, not knowing what they want.” They know what they want and that’s alphas. What women are not good at is long term planning and mate selection. But specifically, they are terrible long term planners and are very emotional beings. If it feels good, the do it and hope…. and as a big money manger use to say on Wall Street.. “Hope is a terrible riske manager.”
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Long term planning is the key.
By being unemployed it potentially says to a girl ‘I may know something no one else does’ and she just HAS TO KNOW what he knows.
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Having an Aloof and Indifferent attitude is catnip for chicks. One problem, though, is the kind of guy who is aloof and indifferent towards everything is unlikely to get a degree, keep a steady job, run a business effectively, or even stay out of jail.
It’s not that chicks dig unemployed losers, it’s that the attitude that chicks dig will MAKE YOU an unemployed loser.
This female incompetence in choosing a mate is why, for millennia , FATHERS would pick suitable mates for daughters, or at least drive off unsuitable mates (with a shotgun if necessary). Women never had to evolve the ability to pick a suitable mate until the last few generations.
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> “Having an Aloof and Indifferent attitude is catnip for chicks. One problem, though, is the kind of guy who is aloof and indifferent towards everything is unlikely to get a degree, keep a steady job, run a business effectively, or even stay out of jail.”
That part about the pathologically aloof & indifferent having trouble getting a degree really rang a bell with me, because Wayne Allyn Root is out with a new article today, wherein he interviews a famous [emeritus] Poli Sci professor at Columbia, who essentially says that this “Obama earned a Poli Sci degree from Columbia” story is utter and complete horseshit:
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/ghost-of-columbia-part-ii-legendary-columbia-professor-never-heard-of-obama/
NO ONE REMEMBERS OBAMA FROM COLUMBIA!!!
The guy is a God-damned Apparition, at least as far as trying to construct any concrete tangible physical representation of him, given what little is available in the actual historical record.
BTW, Mr Aloof & Indifferent couldn’t finish his “autobiography” either, and after failing to deliver on several publishers’ contracts, finally had to go begging to his old friend, Bill Ayers, to write the “autobiography” for him. [I’m convinced that Obama and Ayers have known each other since (no later than) the early 1980s, when Obama was at least ostensibly “at” Columbia, and Ayers was a few hundred feet away, at Bank Street College of Edumakation.]
Also, the idea of Obama as pathologically aloof & indifferent aligns very well with thwack’s comments downthread about this whole phenomenon being nothing more than a manifestation of “nigger” game.
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Zombie — you guys are so weird–google it, second find is factcheck.org describes the multiple evidences that Obama went there. Are you on speed or something?
Dude gets a better education than you, and you spin out in paranoid BS about your betters. Callling them nigger is a nice touch. Highlights the quality of your thinking.
Or maybe it’s all a plot, huh? The gubmint!! Th egubmint!! Maybe there’s NO OBAMA AT ALL, he’s hidden on the moon.
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http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/fucking-on-the-first-date-8-women-tell-all.html?test=true
Victoria, 39, author
When I saw him my heart stopped. He was the most beautiful man I had laid eyes on. We chatted for about twenty minutes over drinks and then we parted ways. As I walked away I noticed he and his friend were checking me out. After a few minutes, I wondered if I would see him again. Then he walked to meet me and – I am not sure what got into me – but I grabbed him and we started to make out in front of everyone. After we kissed, he suggested we go down the street to a more quiet bar. I couldn’t believe what came out of my mouth next (since, I think, it was college, over fifteen years ago, when I last had a one-night stand): “How about my place?” We picked up a bottle of wine and condoms. The morning after he left, I didn’t kick myself for sleeping with him twenty minutes after meeting him. I threw caution to the wind and he was fuckin’ hot! I was actually pretty damn proud of myself. The rule I did keep was that I refused to let myself text him the next day. I didn’t want to be that girl. Almost three years later, we live together and look forward to getting married and having children
Why do I have problems believing this is true?
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Could be true. Classic desperate older woman with baby-rabies.
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Victoria, 39…looks forward to having children.
Go long IVF.
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Note the picture at the top of the NY-Rag article; it has the diversity propaganda pic of a white girl on top of a black guy. Typical MSM propaganda pushing white genocide.
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Fucking on the First Date? How It Worked Out for 8 Women
By Alyssa Shelasky
Whaddya expect?
1) Touting promiscuity… check.
2) Pic provided, for that extra misegenated thrill… check.
3) MSM publishing… check.
Just another day at the office for YKW… putting them high IQ’s to good use.
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Yeah, it is so often the usual culprits pushing the various sorts of cultural degradation.
Then, if you notice the obvious, and point it out, other usual culprits howl loudly in protest.
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Heh… noticing can be forgiven… point it out, and well… your knuckles drag and the nearly insane asylum is where you belong, you wingnut. lulz
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These spirochaetes fear that the mass will re-discover the cause of its syphilis and get organized to treat it. The treament for such was first “discovered” in Germany during 1933, but the good doctors of their day severely underestimated the spirochaetes influence on its other hosts.
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Well, let’s get one thing straight…
I only wish eradication of those who would deny my people the right to continued existence and a future for white children… in short, the pursuit of happiness for said folk, without undue influence and deleterious corruption by those with interests inimicable in matters racial, cultural, economic, etc.
This normally entails having a homeland or -lands which ensure(s) said above goals.
Anyone who wants the same for their people, more power to ’em… no matter the color or creed, so long as they are of good will.
Anyone who speaks against this desire must be considered an assumed enemy… and if there are a greater percentage of assumed enemies from within a given ethnic, religious, or political group, then it behooves members of said group to decry the wrong behaviors of their own folk and voice their personal position of good will in no uncertain terms… or suffer the consequences of being an assumed enemy.
Whites invariably police their own… let others do likewise.
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Heh, heh, spirochaetes, that’s a good one.
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job >>>>>> author!!!! WTF!?!?!!?
don’t these people ever get a life and a proper job?
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‘the attitude’ can manifest in more than one form, and although it is not always bad boy don’t give a shit fuck you, that is its most obvious form. the attitude can be a poker player that is one step ahead of his opponents, sitting there in the knowledge that they are about to hand over their money to him.
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This.
If a girl doesn’t put out right away, I don’t care. But it’s not because I don’t like her or don’t want to fuck her, it’s because in my mind I know it’s going to happen, so if she’s not comfortable the first night and we just end up cuddling, that’s alright I don’t care, she’ll fuck me the next night.
Same with going for the kiss or whatever, okay, give me the cheek, that’s fine, you’re still in my spiderweb and just going to be more attracted to me 10 minutes from now when I’ll try again and probably get it. And if I don’t tonight, I will next time we meet. No biggie.
If I’m hard-up for sex and she doesn’t put out, that’s fine. She can go home and I can call one of my fuckbuddies for sex and next time I see her we’ll probably bang.
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Alright you got me sold. I have been approaching girls but don’t do well. I know theory without practice is pointless, so assume I will get out there. What method or style or book do I internalize? I am done being the nice fun beta guy. I know I can be top 1% but need some skills and tactics to get into the 19% first. Thanks.
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Right, but you are leaving out the “art” of pick up in analyzing this guy’s pull. If he really didn’t care if she comes, stays, lays or prays, then he would not have captured her attention to begin with. He would have been a non-entity in her life. You have to have something that hooks the girl. My guess is that this unemployed alcoholic herpes carrier is a good looking man, probably star high school athlete that didn’t amount to crap in life. If you don’t have the looks or social notoriety to grab their attention, then you better have something more than casual cool aloof indifference. You have to bust a move. The art of game is the oxymoron of purposefully conveying disinterest in outcome.
[CH: Aloofness doesn’t mean invisibility, or timidity. Check your false premises.]
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No false premises intended. I should have given the proper citations.
“You have to bust a move.” – CH.
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Ew.
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“[CH: Aloofness doesn’t mean invisibility, or timidity. Check your false premises.]”
Sidewinder’s point was not that aloofness = invisibility, but that without “something” going for him,
[CH: The Attitude is the thing he has going for him. Like chaos, it’s self-evident.]
An ugly, short guy acting “aloof” is not going to be noticed by women.
[Like I said, aloof doesn’t mean doing nothing. The short guy like the tall guy will have to bust a move if he wants to get anywhere with women.]
To get noticed he will have to be pro-active.
[Very few men, except the famous, can afford to be inactive in the plunderdome. Most men have to be proactive because that’s the nature of a sexual market where each man is reproductively worth less than each slender, fertile woman.]
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If he really didn’t care if she comes, stays, lays or prays, then he would not have captured her attention to begin with.
You mean I haven’t captured the attention of those women I talked to that I don’t care diddly-squat about? Aw nuts.
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Confessions of the Formerly Omega. It’s hard to shake those old high-school resentments, isn’t it?
Apparently it is also difficult to get out of one’s head and see the world through chick-colored glasses. Men don’t place themselves out there as an object of attraction the way women do. We are not designed to make ourselves attractive by distinguishing ourselves by appearance. (Part of point of the original post.)
Rather we are the injector. The infiltrator, the penetrator, the asserter. We present ourselves; we don’t hang around, waiting for attention, dressed to the nines with make-up that took an hour to apply, looking (sexily) bored with life. We are the observers, the gazers. We see what we we want and go get it. Hence “The Approach.”
Now, once you realize this fundamental dynamic of the transaction, that of the permanent offeror and offeree, you can get subtle with it. Flirtation is subtlety. If you bound in there and “bust a move” you are presenting yourself typically and often awkwardly, i.e., you are not distinguishing yourself from the rest of the V-neck T-shirt brigade. On the other hand if you master the Art of the Pick–Up you accomplish this aggression with — key word now — aloofness. Plausible deniability. Double entendre. The teasing that picks a girl up while making her wonder if she is being picked up.
Only after you establish your attractiveness can you be more effectively blunt and direct (manly). Men have to establish their attractiveness by what they do, women by how they look. But since we are attracted by how they look, we often mistake our sources of attraction for women’s, and primp and preen like metrohomos, imagining that womanly behavior will get a girl’s motor running. Men who focus on their appearance give the engine a kick-start at best, but attraction requires the constant fuel injection of action.
Matt
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@ Matt King: and here we have proof once again that our resident Jesuit cannot make a comment without insulting another commenter.
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shut the fuck up stilicho
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So what? It’s what guys do…
You fairy.
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You are correct that looks are not the far and away primary factor for female attraction like they are for men. But looks are still a huge factor for women. A guy that is clearly better looking than the female has huge automatic hand in the relationship. I would bet you dollars to donuts that in this scenario we have a marginally attractive 30 year old woman with an average looking dentist. She cannot attain an alpha with status, so she is lusting for the only kind of attractive man she can still land, a loser.
I’m just speculating and I guess this guy could be some ugly yet charismatic pua, but I think it unlikely. But my point is only that having the attitude is not in itself sufficient for picking up women. You have to have a hook. Game can be that hook, but it has to be more than aloof indifference.
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Looks are an automatic bid to the tournament. Maybe even a high seed, too. But you still have to play the game to win it all.
My point about overvaluing a man’s looks is not that they are irrelevant. Indeed, they can be the decisive factor. My point is the advantage can be easily overcome in a way that it cannot for women. Women trade primarily on their looks; men, their aura. And while one can improve one’s looks many ways (makeup, fitness), one can completely overhaul one’s aura. More important, the aura remains an intangible, undefinable je ne sais quois always given to interpretation and trickery, which is why there is a loyal market for pick up technique and “game.”
Matt
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Looks/height/muscles are not a huge factor for many women if the guy is funny, interesting, holds a manly essence and knows how to lead and take chances. It’s a large generalization to say “looks are a huge factor for women” and imply that that means ALL. Many don’t, so long as you carry yourself well.
I’ve known PLENTY of cool, average looking dudes with knockouts (meaning, they were out and about with them, being seen by others and having fun herself) and who weren’t particularly rich or famous to know that girls aren’t always choosing their mate based on superficial attributes. From my experience, the girls I get with (who are hotter than me) we have some sort of jokey, nerdy energy about us that just seems to click. Even though she can be intimidating to most guys and I’m nothign special in the looks dept.
Not trying to hate on you but this comment has a feel of “outside looking in”…counting yourself out of the finest things before even seeing for yourself. Go do it and see what I’m talking about.
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“Do looks matter?
Yes, massively so. The dirty secret in the community is that almost all of the name players who get laid can fit into one of these categories:
1. Tall good-looking guy who really ought to be getting laid alot even without game.
2. Scenester who has an in with rock / indie / hipster girls. These are highly promiscuous social circles where no game is required.
3. Hard worker with no standards. This guy is relentlessly churning out sets and will fuck anything, though you’ll only ever see photos of the very best girls he meets.
4. A liar.”
Quoting from, according to Matt, an omega
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In what universe do you imagine I called Nick Krauser an “omega”? He is one of the few of your excitable PUA.com ilk who gets it.
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So, looks like only category 3 is the real deal.
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lzozlzozlozoz. Good work, Zombie Shane. Some of your other follow-up comments there are equally good. #winning
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Wow man reader that’s a beautiful woman in your avatar
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Yep. She was the first to *really* break my heart and make me start to realize the things that CH writes about here. She’s crazy. No, I’m not a misognynist too quick to use that term. She, like about 90% of all pretty, thin women (who get hit on constantly) is bipolar and, “crazy” by any real definition.
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I agree 90% of women are either bipolar, “crazy” or have some other psychological problems
After I read 3 books and everything I could find online about pathological narcissists – who they say are usually men – I was amazed at how the behaviors they described are exactly what most of the women I dated do.
I have dated over two dozen women and about 90% of them were like that.
I have also had conversations with hundreds of other women whom I never dated or slept with and about 90% of them were like that.
I will soon be 54 and I have come to the conclusion that female are all – to an extent – mentally deranged.
The more I read about psychological disorders the more I go ” Ha! most of my women were exactly like that!!”
I’m not a pick up artists myself, but a few of my acquaintances are, and they have come to the same conclusion as I have; most women have psychological problems…
they have told me stories and women are really messed up in the head, more than most men
most are histrionic, most are extreme narcissist, most have anger management problems ( most men I know agree that if women were the bigger and the stronger sex, there would be a whole lot of battered men!! more than there are battered women!! women have very short fuse and horrible tempers, songs and poems have been written exactly about that), most are spoiled little brats, most are extremely immature , most are very irrational, most are extremely ignorant of science and believe in a lot of stupid hokey-pokey stuff that we know is not true ( as if women had a medieval knowledge and understanding of the world ), and so on and so forth
I don’t hate women, this does not come from hate, I LOVE women, but they are crazy…most of them
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I concur.
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Also I always find it amusing when people take that as fuel to light the “see you just bang low quality drunk slutty bar whores with mental issues, you should date quality girls like my wife/girlfriend/friends/etc” torch.
The part they don’t get is that no, I’ve dated and fucked your friends and girlfriends and wives and your girlfriends friends who she thinks are all angels blah blah blah…and a lot of them will put out a lot faster than you’d think and are a lot more fucked up than you think or than they let on…you just can’t see it because you’re their friend and look at them thru rose-colored glasses.
You (still this metaphorical “you” here) see your friend as “quirky”…I see her as indecisive and wishy-washy and someone who doesn’t think about or accept responsibility for the consequences of her actions. You see her as “independent”. I see her as a girl who’s emotionally damaged and frigid and built herself up too much of a bullshit ego to let her guard down whilst simultaneously feeding into the bullshit her orbiters and friends like you feed her about how amazing she is so that the end result is a girl who has an inflated view of her own worth and makes it far too much trouble to bother with fighting my way thru her issues because the prize itself is really rather lackluster.
You see her as social and outgoing. I see her as on her phone checking Twitter and Facebook 24/7, thriving off interpersonal drama in her social circles, and flirting with other men in front of me. You see her as “a realist”. I see her as a depressing pessimist who has a negative view on life that suffocates her and the people close to her because she thrives off hiding behind her victim mentality instead of actually taking charge of her life and fixing it, and I see a future where I have to listen to her bitch about shit that isn’t a real problem like Jenny from work being a bitch today. You see her as “intellectual and thoughtful”. I see her as boring and frumpy and wanting to stay in and watch DVDs together on Saturday nights while she gets fatter and fatter because she doesn’t care about her appearance.
See I know these girls. I’ve been with them, I’ve fucked a bunch of them, I’ve met hundreds of other “normal” girls just like them. If you could see what I could see, you’d understand why I hedge my bets and go for the hot girls at the club…if 90% of girls are going to come with baggage attached, I’m at least going to go for the ones where that baggage it attached to a smokin hottie while I look for that other 10%. And no, Jenny from work, or your little sister, or your wife’s BFF, they aren’t that 10% sorry lol
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“No, I’m not a misognynist”
Strong frame bro.
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I swear this is how girls are raised. I don’t understand how someone could be attracted to an unemployed guy. Perhaps that is me or maybe it’s a cultural bias. Ick.
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What? You read CH. You know the difference between “attraction” and “would be a live-in GF with him.”
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You like the fact your boyfriend has lots of money and high social status, but you hate having sex with him
you are the opposite of women who find good looking men irresistible no matter if they are poor, drug addicts or have criminal records
are you frigid?
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Whoa. Swing and a miss. It has nothing to do with “culture”.
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I feel like that’s how South Asian girls are raised. For us, you get married to the richest highest status guy you can attract. That’s not gold digging in our culture. That’s what you are supposed to do and there is something wrong with you if you don’t value this. My region is very strict about the caste system, so we are raised to be primarily concerned with signs of class status.
I speak openly with other girls from my ethnicity and we just say we want to date someone rich. We don’t hide this fact. It’s an ingrained priority. I find that some Russian and Korean girls are similar in this regard though they may be more interested in broke guys for temporary things.
I am very non traditional in what I am attracted to in some ways. I am bi etc., but I could never get away from the money/status attraction to men.
I don’t think I am frigid. Don;t really know.
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“I am very non traditional in what I am attracted to in some ways.”
What a bold declaration.
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What do you mean you don’t know?
here is the definition,
frigidity: failure of a female to respond to sexual stimulus.
or
marked or abnormal sexual indifference especially in a woman
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“I feel like that’s how South Asian girls are raised”.
you sound confused. are you south indian or were your parents from some small village ? oh btw, it’s either aryan or dravidian, not “south asian”…
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Realistically almost all South Indians are a mix of aboriginal Dravidian and Caucasoid. The Caucasoid part is indo European (Aryan), Persian and Arab.
My ancestry is indeed from a small enclave of villages (more like individual estates). The rule in those estates is that no non-brahmin may enter. We have been very very strict about only marrying within this group of estates for about 700 years now. I am extremely inbred by western Caucasian standards, but fortunately I am still a mix of races, which probably protects somewhat from the worst effects of inbreeding.
We can never sell our estates because the sale of any part of it to an outsider (non Brahmin) requires the signature of every single descendant. At this point, each estate has up to 10,000 descendants. So, our enclave of estates may remain 100% Brahmin for the next 700 years to come.
We did not invent anything like the constitution, but you white people could learn a thing or two from Brahmins.
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Because you’re a 24-carat gold-digger.
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I pulled better pussy than you when I was broke.
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But you’re attracted to me.
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e-ttraction is different. I don’t have any information that conflicts with the idea of you being semi-well off.
Hearts can have no money though. Because he is a poet. Being impoverished might even be a little dashing.
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vs.
Sylph’s gonna sylph. Pick one, you dipshit broad.
And don’t burp up the usual bromides about “a woman’s prerogative” or “the hobgoblin of little minds.” You are intellectually flabby, suffering an obesity of the brain, born of laziness. And you wonder why we slap you?
Matt
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In general I am only attracted to guys with status or money. Hearts has a kind of status in that he has minions of blog commenters. Even then, he us the only exception I know of to my general attraction to commonly held standards of money and status.
And I never wonder why y’all slap me.
{CH: Women always say they would never go for the exception, until the exceptional knocks on their door(s).]
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Mercy. Walking you out of your dysfunction by baby steps is tedious. Too tedious for me.
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Alas, Exception isn’t knocking up anything.
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CH the Colbert Report (twitter) thing pisses me off because he makes too much of a joke out of it, won’t let him talk, word hypergamy is never uttered, mainstream viewers/sheeple won’t get it and treat the entire thing as a joke. Colbert himself needs to read your blog, literally, or has he and he understands perfectly and it’s his job to be a comedian?
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“Walking you out of your dysfunction by baby steps is tedious. Too tedious for me.
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I’d never think of asking you to engage in such, but if you’ve got more nicknames for me, I’m all ears. Though I suspect it will be hard to outdo thicky thicky hindu.
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why are you angry by what Fem says if you had money?
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I know of a very similar case. It was a very pretty female dentist, something like 28 years old, who was into a drunken football hooligan, while tens of her beta male colleagues were dying for her attention. Interestingly, that girl had a good friend who was bulimic, and, being a dentist, she noticed that her gums started to rot (I guess from all the stomach acid while vomiting), but she said nothing because “she didn’t want to hurt her feelings”.
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I am sure I wouldn’t be interested in alcoholic unemployed “badboy”. I might try to help him get his life in the right direction but I would want no part of his future, and he certainly wouldn’t be my choice of partner/husband. Sexual attraction is another matter, but people need to know when to have self-control.If this woman doesn’t feel sexual attraction for her dentist man she is obviously not with the right man for her. I don’t want a “beta” man as you say, but I would never be able to consider an unemployed alcoholic as an Alpha male as long as he was in that stage in his life. There would always be hope for the future, but I don’t know why a woman would sign up for drama with a man that’s obviously not going to be good for her. I have been around alcoholics and addicts of other kinds in my life,
[CH: In what capacity?]
and it’s destructive to everybody involved. She should have self control, and forget the “fire in her loins” for this man, and not walk away, run!
[Telling her to forget the fire in her loins is like telling a man to forget the boner in his pants for slender, young babes.]
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Oh, it’ll be easier to forget him if she gets a different man she’s more attracted to than the dentist. Not all women who get with alphas become alpha widows. Her alcoholic ex problem is fueled by her beta fiance problem.
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For sure. It’s fueled by her beta fiance problem. She’s not content now so she’s looking at this man from the past through rose-tinted glasses.
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OK, I just watched the original video. (I had to wait until I got home, my workplace blocks Internet video.) In her response, Emily Yoffe never seemed to consider that the dentist might be unattractive. Yoffe just took the letter writer at her word about her fiancé being handsome, and went straight in snarking at her for being attracted to the ex. Yoffe’s advice not to have contact with the ex is good as far as it goes, but doesn’t solve the real problem. She would just find another alpha to pine over soon enough.
I completely agree with Heartiste, Yoffe often gives bad dating advice, especially to men. She seems not to understand attraction issues at all. Once I saw a man with approach anxiety write to her asking advice about how to ask out a co-worker, and she told him to send her a gift and put a note in it asking her to lunch. And to think she gets paid to give advice like that while manosphere bloggers beg for donations. smh.
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Ur cute and clueless
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I am sorry I don’t understand your comment, “in what capacity?”.
[CH: How did you know these drunks and droogies?]
I understand the word just not exactly the question in relation to what I said. Could you explain? Sorry english is not my first language.
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And did the drunks and droogies go to the Korova Milk Bar before engaging in the old ultra-violence?
And does that bring on the tingles?
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Not forgetting the old in-out, in-out… oh, my brother.
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And what is your first language? ( mine is French )
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It wasn’t a romantic relationships or anything, or dating. I just mean that I have had in my life but I prefer not to go into details of my private life on the internet. I just saw how they were sucked the life out of the women they were with, and also a man I know who’s wife was dealing with addiction, he divorced finally but not after years of trying to get her to change, sacrificing his own happiness in the meantime. An addict brings everybody down with them.
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Embracing, if I were a dude I’d put a ring on you so fast. I ❤ you.
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She would not accept beta ring any faster than any other 7. Her act here and on her blog is bullshit. Also she’s bipolar and near suicidal. She’s trying to be who she claims thou dost protest too much style.
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Thank you for telling me I’m a 7. That is sweet of you. I can assure you I am myself in my writing and on my blog. For me to write a blog it feels nice and something for me to do for myself in my spare time as I don’t have the chance to go out much and have fun at this point in my life. You can believe my writing is insincere if you wish, it is of no consequence to me. Even if only one other person likes what I write on my blog then I am happy. Regarding me being bipolar or suicidal, I am not, but your comments are really quite pointless as you know absolutely nothing about my life, you are just making empty remarks. Also in relation to your comment that you decided to post on my blog claiming that I was a server at a “strip joint”, I chose to mark it as “spam”, because I have never worked at such an establishment and I never intend to. Not because I think I am too pretty or too good, simply because I am blessed to know my value, thank God. I would not abuse or put a price on my body that God so graciously blessed me with, and I’m also sure it wouldn’t be acceptable or respectful to my future husband. And as you said on Fem’s blog about I would never post revealing photos of myself online, you are correct, I wouldn’t. No disrespect to Fem, she looks great. But I personally choose not to, so you can go ahead and keep on thinking that I’m an overweight stripper. Ciao.
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This kind of angry reaction is what happens when one is able to pierce a woman’s brain sufficiently to cause her to get a glimpse of her reality. The hamster explodes and they react violently. Didn’t say you were a stripper. (Women in this emotional state literally cannot read the English language.) Said you worked as a server (not dancer) in a strip club. Ooooh that “ciao” really hurts, anonymous internet person. lzozlzozlz (Also, women *love* being called a 7. It seems being called a 7 is worse than being called a 2. Twos know they are 2s, but 7s want to be 8s.)
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You have no idea about my reality so how would be able to give me a glimpse into it. I haven’t reacted violently, I am not offended. If you told me truths I would be hurt but you haven’t.
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Lol. You are quite strange. I just realized you are the same person who is writing me positive comments on my blog and also abuse from the same IP address, using different usernames. How sad.
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And BTW I don’t feel the need to comment on every post if I have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand or if I don’t understand it. Learn to understand the virtue of silence in situations where you have nothing of value to say.
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I skimmed through her site and did not see evidence of what you say. Why do you say this?
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Chick mutual admiration society… (cue Ralph Kramden) WHOA, WHAT A SURPRISE!
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Awwww that’s so sweet 🙂
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I like the idea of you two rolling around together madly scissoring, no need for you to be the man…
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Forget “forget.” We are saying fucking control yourself. Stop flashing the little girls your little dick. Don’t ruin your life by “following your bliss” like some kind of thrice-pregnant hippie hippo with a kid called Fallyn Star.
It can be done. Hēdonē is no god. She is a venereal itch that itches the more you scratch at her. They make a salve for that.
Everybody on the planet perceives the allure of the “badboy.” Hell, someone here cited a Tarzan movie trafficking in the cliché from the 1930s. The difference being, before feminism, we acknowledged this attraction as the female frailty it is, the self-destructive impulse of “hypergamy” known since the composition of Genesis, while you seek to dignify even its most loserish exploiters (out-of-work drunks) with divine status.
Matt
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> “The difference being, before feminism, we acknowledged this attraction as the female frailty it is, the self-destructive impulse of “hypergamy” known since the composition of Genesis, while you seek to dignify even its most loserish exploiters (out-of-work drunks) with divine status.”
No, the point is that you can LEARN SOMETHING even from out-of-work drunk loserish exploiters.
If, by studying him [and his techniques], an out-of-work drunk can teach you how to corral and contain and maintain a decent woman as your wife, and how to ensure that she bears YOUR children [as opposed to her tennis instructor’s cuckoo eggs], then, for at least one more generation, your line [being the line that your myriad ancestors bequeathed you, over the course of the last 5 billion years] is saved from extinction.
In other words, when faced with a life or death situation [to have children, or to go barren, and to fade into extinction], sometimes you need to swallow your pride and learn a thing or two from an out-of-work drunk loserish exploiter.
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This may be what you and I understand by reading between the lines, but it is not what CH is advocating explicitly, or I would argue, at all. He says, “The man who sponges off women while getting all the loving he wants is a supreme alpha.”
He isn’t taking what’s good about the unemployed drunk and discarding the rest. He is using a loser to literally define “supreme alpha.” It sounds like nitpicking, but he and his emulators conjure entirely preposterous philosophies out of nits. There is a difference between isolating and admiring the accidental virtues of being a drunk and defining virtue itself by drunkenness.
Look, he can rewrite the meaning of “alpha” however he wants, and if he gets enough bobbleheads to nod along with him, he can make a bid for Merriam-Webster’s. But the terminology is not the problem. The problem is elevating a reproachable parasite above men who, you know, are not slaves to the bottle (or a woman’s income) as the model for the good life.
You should be with me trying to convince them not to be so sex-sodded when it comes to defining the best life. Independence, industry, value-addition, being free from addiction and female IV lines is a superior way of living, and none of that contradicts one’s ability to be aloof, even though the drunk loserish exploiter exhibits a kind of accidental aloofness in spades. In fact, being sober helps your detachment, especially if you otherwise depend on her food stamp card for your weekly booze supply.
No, I suspect the chief problem is: most young men of the past few generations have only witnessed aloofness in antisocial figures (deadbeats, criminals, drunks) and therefore conclude as adults that the the two qualities must be synonymous. The idea that a man can be both aloof and virtuous at once does not compute to them.
So yeah, you can drunkenly knock up your desperate enabler-tramp and then pray that, if your child survives the abortion attempt, your seed carries on through the generations. But our aim is not merely to propagate our genetic proclivities. It matters what happens after our sprogs are born and in what manner they become men (if they do). Would you consent that your children be raised in a crackhouse? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of conceiving them in the first place? Propagating homo sapiens sapiens requires more than an inebriated hook-up. It requires institutions constructed in your name, such as your family, to influence your progeny properly unto their own independence. A drunk can’t do that.
Matt
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I really agree with the spirit of your rants, Matthew King, and not venerating slime balls. Emulating the parts of their behavior that work without descending into being a full blown slime ball seems like an excellent strategy.
My grandfather was a true alpha man. You didn’t cross him, at 22 he married a pretty 15 year old virginal wife who could not disobey him, and he was a pillar of the community and a deacon in his church. All kinds of random newspaper article reference my grandfather, and things he did for his city. When he died, my grandmother literally could not function without him. I realize now my grandfather always hated me, because I took his genetic legacy, being the only male grandchild in the family, and made a whipped pussy out of it. I always saw him as an abuser, because my feminist mother despised him so, but even though he was a brutal asshole he was truly the master of his domain.
That being said, my grandfather was definitely a drunk.
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That’s called a functioning alcoholic. Not only did he hold down a job, he led a family and achieved great things. That’s not an “alcoholic” in my book. Fairies have defined the term “drunk” down and gave it the clinical name of “alcoholism.” Who cares if he was blotto when he was several-times the man of the prissy twelve-steppers who whine in perpetuity about their “disease”?
In my book, a drunk is someone who cannot handle his own shit, he becomes dominated by an inebriating substance. It sounds like your granddad dominated the bottle rather than the other way around, at least well enough not to sit around and leech off the industriousness of a woman.
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Anyone need a laugh today? http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=MfpWcXe_rug zlozlzozlozlzozlzozollzozloz
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i nearly choked on my large ice tea, blew it out my nose, then almost dropped the whole thing onto my lap reading this.
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It’s all about duping them…you may like/care about the girl you’re banging, but you better damn well walk around as if you couldn’t give a fuck. Every time I called a girl’s bluff they showed up back at my doorstep each and every time. You could set your watch to it.
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and then you woke up
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Heartiste,
Some of your twitter links don’t hyperlink correctly- the NYT most recent one, for example (The illegal -alien border crossing one). Can you fix this? Thanks!
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It’s just as well that link doesn’t work. The only safe way to read a NYT or other MSM article is through the protective lens of a verbal evisceration performed by the Chateau or other Dark Enlightenment site. Direct exposure to such shrieking libcuntery is very painful, like looking at the sun through night-vision goggles.
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…multiple orifice violating…
My word, how the ladies talk nowadays!
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zlozozozozozozoz
da GBFM called it zlozozoz:
multiple orifice violating=
“alpha fucks and beta bucks
dat is how we roll
da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
and in our anuthes it doth deosul”
= multiple orifice violating
lzozozozozozozozo
dat is why da GBFM is a clasiscal oauathorr because he wwirtes sda TIMELESS TRUTHSZ zlozzlozozzzloz
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I have seen it first hand. I’m 68. And every now and then a 20 something will get all stupid in my presence. And that is with my wife around. Serious fun. And keeps the wife attentive. When she is not thinking “I own him. No effort required.” You have to shatter that attitude. Frequently.
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“You have to shatter that attitude. Frequently.”
That’s definitely the right mindset for men to have. Manboobs will be the first to disagree.
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Makes good sense if they will always be testing you. They never stop and nor should you.
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Witnessed this firsthand this past weekend. My GF invited a friend of hers out, who is a 26 year old VIRGIN with a BF of 3 years. We met up with a group of my friends and within 5 minutes of her meeting my friend “Bob” I knew they were going to hook up. Sure enough they made out hard and she was inches away from staying at his place but drove home before she did. The next day she texted my GF that she just didn’t have the “PASSION” with her man that she felt with my buddy. So now she is questioning her relationship. Also, it is HILARIOUS how girls will rip guys for cheating/infidelity but willingly accept the same behavior from their female friends
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lzozlzolzzzlzo hooters girl hoola hooping. http://www.break.com/video/hooters-girl-can-hula-hoop-2328232 would bang
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but with those narrow hips, that girl couldn’t have more than 6 or 7 children!
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Hi…not you…hi.
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Kingpin!!!!!FTW
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Damn!
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I’d like to see more good ol’ plain “traditional” hula hoop action, baby… just undulate them hips and save the fancy arm tricks for Cirque.
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what hoola hoops? all I could see was a hot young blonde woman, I was staring either at her butt, hips, breasts or legs
what hoola hoops, where?
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How do you “nearly” give somebody herpes?
[CH: The same way you nearly get a chick pregnant. With feeling.]
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his was in remission I’m guessing
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Every time you have sex with someone who has herpes but you don’t contract it,
you “nearly” caught it
Like roulette Russe, you nearly shoot yourself in the head every time.
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Look, after church yesterday I chatted up the guest speaker’s (GS) wife, and two other ladies, a mother and daughter. The conversation turned to movies when the GS wife brought up a scene from “Skyfall” where James Bond apparently jumps one train or some crap, bursts through the roof of second train and lands square on his feet like a cat, and, in his Bondian-swag way, struts down the aisle of the car, brushin’ himself off, poppin’ his collar along the way. All three women fondly agreed it was their favorite moment in the whole flick. With a gleam in her eye, GS wife proclaims, “when I saw that scene, I said ‘Yesss!’ Finally a movie with a real macho, cool guy!”
So there I was in my church lobby, watching 3 women tingle before my eyes over a make-believe alpha.
PS–the guest speaker spent part his “Father’s Day” message chiding the men for not washing dishes to help out the wife. Because-of course- a man who does housework is what’s realllllly sexy to a woman, ya know…..
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WTF CH? GBFM!
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Wouldn’t say the woman is incapable of knowing what she wants: she knows perfectly well that she wants the bad boy, she just wants to keep the income from the dentist also. It’s a dilemma created from too much choice because there is a possibility for her to have both, since marriage gives the dentist too little choice and the possibility of having nothing.
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“unemployed, alcoholic”
That’s not an Alpha. It’s a loser who will probably be dead before he’s 50. I’ve been seen it more than once.
[CH: Do women love him? Then he’s alpha. He may be dead before 50 from liver disease but that doesn’t change women’s judgment of his sexual desirability right now.]
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> “That’s not an Alpha. It’s a loser who will probably be dead before he’s 50. I’ve been seen it more than once.”
You’re making the same mistake in semantics which I made when I first started reading the Game Theory literature.
You’re thinking of an “Alpha” as a leader of men – a Douglas MacArthur or a George Patton or a Black Jack Pershing or a Stonewall Jackson – the kind of man whose troops would blindly follow him into near-certain death.
But from the point of view of Game Theory, an “Alpha” isn’t a leader of men; rather, an “Alpha” is a leader of WOMEN.
If a great warrior comes home from a victorious campaign and becomes, in his domestic life, nothing more than a brow-beaten, hen-pecked, broken-spirited follower, within his own household, then it doesn’t matter how many men he killed on the battlefield.
It only matters that his wife loses interest in him, and starts taking up with the milkman or the postman or the plumber.
Or, what’s more likely, the milkman AND the postman AND the plumber AND every other leader of women who crosses her path.
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“If a great warrior comes home from a victorious campaign and becomes, in his domestic life, nothing more than a brow-beaten, hen-pecked, broken-spirited follower, within his own household, then it doesn’t matter how many men he killed on the battlefield.”
As old as dirt. Look up Agamemnon and Aegisthus ( in Aeschylus and Sophocles) and you can read all about it. (Look up Clytemnestra too.)
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Or better yet, read this http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/proc/shp/ It’s the third history of Theodora and Justinians time written by Procupious who was a historian on their payroll. This was called “the secret history” because had he openly given it out, it would have mean slow death by torture. He writes what he really saw and couldn’t write in the other two.
It’s a great read. Very important. Very useful. If it were up to me, I’d make it mandatory reading for every man woman and child. Especially with the shit that’s been going down.
You especially want to read the first few chapters, where it shows how a great roman general, who was a terror on the battlefield, was an utter pussy in his own home. Every time someone made the mistake of allying with him or attempting to help him with his wife, this piece of shit would inevitably turn back to his wife and to appease her, would kill or drive away those people that tried to help him. And Procopius was directly under this man’s payroll.
“What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.” – Kohelet 1:9
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On a side note, there’s a great historical novel based upon these Byzantines and the Visigoth occupation of Italy at the time (circa 600 A.D.), called (in the English translation of the original German) A Struggle For Rome, by Felix Dahn.
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Zombie Shane wrote:
It’s not merely semantical, and there is a good reason not to redefine “alpha” exclusively as a “leader of WOMEN.”
What attracts women sexually about a man also attracts men to that man, albeit not sexually (British prep academy graduates notwithstanding). Women have a sexual response, “I want to have his babies,” whereas men have an admiring response, “I will follow him to hell.”
By separating these qualities for purposes of categorizing the sexual market place, you effectively negate what alpha means in the broadest and most correct context. The “alpha” you describe is the man who mimics these qualities in front of women for sexual advantage. He is an imposter only made to appear genuine by virtue of your (unnecessary) redefinition.
You are better off calling one alpha and the other his mimic. It will help us avoid irrelevant tangents about hen-pecked generals and whatnot.
Matt
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No, that’s precisely the mistake which I was talking about.
On the one hand, there are the fellows who are great warriors on the battlefield, but who curl up in the fetal position when faced with the henpecking of a woman in peacetime.
And, on the other hand, there are the fellows who are great lotharios and satyrs in peacetime, but who curl up in the fetal position at the first sign of incoming fire from the enemy on the battlefield.
The point is that these are NOT necessarily one and the same kinds of men.
Now the nihilistic version of “Game Theory” [as a subspecialty within the larger discipline of Darwinian Nihilism] holds that, from the point of view of evolution, ALL that matters is being a great lothario and satyr and passing on your genes to the next generation.
But you and I, however, are romantics, and we yearn for an earlier culture wherein men were both great warriors AND great lotharios.
And [presumably] we hope to teach young white guys how to overcome all of the propaganda and disinformation which the Frankfurt School has been shoving down their throats for their entire lives and to instead start becoming great warriors IN THE BEDROOM.
And thereby to start making white babies again [or at least to make little white-gook products of miscegenation], so that the white race [and with it, all of civilization] doesn’t go extinct.
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It is better to live on the corner of a roof than to live with a nagging woman.
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But all women nag…it’s in their DNA…
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Alpha as a leader of women. Thinking of it this way really helps in what I learned for business to apply for women.
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Yeah, Bukowski certainly never banged chicks.
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“Do women love him? Then he’s alpha.”
We know of one woman who purports to want him.
I’ve seen this play before. She’s a chub. The dentist is an aspie. The “alpha” is just a man without standards.
{CH: Well then, he’s a man without standards who’s getting more action than this broad’s dentist fiance.]
By even the most quasi-scientific use of the term, I cannot see how a man who lives under the care of any woman, especially, his mother could be deemed alpha.
[In fact, the man who sponges off women while getting all the loving he wants is a supreme alpha. Note that this doesn’t make him a very admirable man, but no one here besides sloppily constructed strawmen ever said alpha = admirable.]
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“I cannot see how a man who lives under the care of any woman, especially, his mother could be deemed alpha”
Pimps can have women willingly giving them the money they make whoring themselves out on the streets (ie – the women are supporting him) without the pimp fucking them even if they beg for his dick.
Sure, they’re the bottom of society, but in terms of alpha/beta and handling women, what would your GF say if you told her to fuck a dude off the street and give you her income?
Like CH said, alpha doesn’t mean admirable.
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So if I go down to the Special Olympics and successfully game 20 severely retarded women, I get to be an alpha?
Look, I get the broader point about female attraction here, and I thank you for your work. But to call this guy alpha who has ONE possibly unattractive, probably insane woman purporting to love him doesn’t follow the traditional application of the term.
In that application of the term, alpha deals with relative social rank rather than vagina count. Your 3rd Commandment seems to jibe with that application.
What am I not getting?
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Read “Pimp” by legendary Iceberg Slim. Lots of red pill insights about true nature of women in there. And a great read. The guy writes like a poet.
http://www.amazon.com/Pimp-The-Story-My-Life/dp/1847673325
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Stop feeding the trolls, ya really.
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That’s not the issue. You are roughly declaring that “alcoholic asshole = alpha,” and whether you mean it that way or not, whatever disclaimers and qualifiers to append to it, that’s how 80% of your fanboys take your meaning.
[CH: I’m not my fanboys’ keeper.]
So, the tail wags the dog.
[Dawgs dig the tail.]
Rather than isolating the virtuous behavior of detachment that comes with being antisocial, they seek antisocial behavior in the hopes of appearing detached (or “aloof”).
[There is probably a positive correlation between vice and success with women.]
You are coming this close to promoting alcoholism for omegas.
[If a man requires liquid courage to sexily detach from his outcome with women, he’s not going to be much moved by temperance sermons.]
And while that may be a step up for their sexual life (what wouldn’t be?), it is also a step off the cliff with regard to everything else.
[Nowhere in this post was there a directive, implied or otherwise, to become alcoholic in order to succeed with women.]
Matt
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You’re not at the level of “directives” yet. You can’t command your alpha aspirants, you can only influence them by way of valorizing certain behaviors.
No, you aren’t your “fanboys’ keeper,” either. But you do construct a liturgy out of bullshit extrapolations and thereby begin believing them yourself. Commandments, maxims, jargon, coined phrases, etc. Don’t get high on your own supply, pusher.
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Dude, are you having a bad day or something? Why such a negative tone? The point of the post is emphasized by the assumption that an unemployed alcoholic with herpes is a loser in life, yet he still succeeds with women. It is in no way a suggestion to be an unemployed alcoholic. The post assumes that most readers would recognize the guy as being a loser, which is what hammers home the point being made about female nature.
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This. Seriously Matt, have you just decided to be a generic troll now? This comment is right out of the Jezebel feminist “exaggerate what the poop-head I don’t like said to try to make him sound like an evil asshole” play book.
What’s next, are you going to say Mystery teaches men to call women ugly and stupid so they cry themselves to sleep? “Oh it doesn’t matter if that’s not what he actually wrote, I’m extrapolating the worst aspergy meaning possible from it!!”
Is this really Matt or has someone hijacked his account?
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It’s called constructive criticism, brahs. If you are too sensitive to look past the blunt presentation, chances are it’s not for you. But in any event, you don’t have to police the comboxes for any insufficiently euphemistic word against this site’s magnificence. Sometimes respect is delivered by the very effort of registering a disagreement.
I was about to agree with what “the post assumes” but then you demonstrated that my own assumptions about your comprehension were too optimistic: Saying “The man who sponges off women while getting all the loving he wants is a supreme alpha” is “in no way a suggestion to be an unemployed alcoholic”?
Besides, by virtue of CH’s repetition, he is clearly not assuming much about what his “readers would recognize” automatically. More likely, his constant reassertion of the same handy-dandy bromides — women love (the jerkiness about) jerks, alpha is not admirable, biomechanics is god — evinces a desire to repeat something often enough until it comes true. It’s not good to let your friends get away with even incidental errors because they grow into big ones with enough practice in the absence of challenge. Especially when that friend adds those errors to his rotation of mailed-in subject material.
Those of us who are not convinced by sheer repetition have an obligation to make our disagreement known — if we care about the integrity of the overall message. I do care. But I also acknowledge I’m on the losing side of this charitable effort, and I’m not Sisyphus. I’m not even CH. I stand in awe of the zeal that contains an infinite enthusiasm to return to square-one. Like a fifth grade teacher who goes back to the same lesson plan every September, year after year after year. When do we get to grad school? Do we ever?
Matt
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@Matt
“It’s called constructive criticism, brahs.”
You’re being deliberately obtuse. It’s not that you’re criticizing, it’s that your criticism is based off exaggerated silliness or simply a completely wrong understanding. Again, you’re the 4 year old telling the NASA scientist “2 + 2 = 5, how do you KNOW it equals 4?? HUH??” and thinking the scientist is an idiot for rolling his eyes at you. “You guys can’t handle criticism, that isn’t how I would build the space shuttle, look at my crayon drawing!!”
If you seriously can’t understand that CH isn’t encouraging guys to become unemployed alcoholic losers to get girls and can’t understand that just because a guy is alpha in some categories it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t model his behavior, and that EVERYONE ELSE HERE can tell that…well, have you actually gone in to take tests and find out if you have Aspergers? Like, serious question. Because it would clear up a lot of your comments if we were all starting from a place of knowing you were Spergy.
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Once again, you can only interpret a discussion above your paygrade as somehow the equivalent of 2 + 2 = 5. Because nothing in this realm is above your paygrade. Because you say so.
Ha. Weren’t you just advocating we drill down past the surface of these topics?
If I’m not going to put up with simple assertion as evidence of truth from CH, I sure as fuck am not going to put up with idiot assertiveness from his retarded younger brother.
Hey. Do me a teensy favor. Before you start assuming what I can and can’t understand, try making at least a token effort to understand what I wrote. Your “if you seriously can’t understand … then …” formulation is the wordy equivalent of “Wow, just wow.” You make no attempt to demonstrate my misunderstanding, you just express endless shock that I could possibly disagree. Quel scandale! Then you go searching for some ad hominem cause of my disagreement, because nobody who isn’t personally flawed could possibly dissent from such self-evident truth.
Except your hero isn’t proclaiming 2 + 2 = 4. He’s not even saying 2 + 2 = 5. He is saying the concept of “2” shall be whatever I declare it to be for my own purposes. That you so easily submit yourself to authority should worry you. Instances of bald assertion should always be challenged, even in the high likelihood of the assertion being correct, even with men you hold in great esteem. If he is worthy of that esteem, he will not hesitate to reveal the sources which led to his conclusion.
But ultimately it’s not about his authority so much as it is about your own credulity. You fall all over yourselves to agree with his unexamined declarations, like a group of flattering courtiers trying to outdo the other. That doesn’t just fail to compute with me, it makes me sick to witness it.
Matt
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@Matt
“If I’m not going to put up with simple assertion as evidence of truth from CH, I sure as fuck am not going to put up with idiot assertiveness from his retarded younger brother.”
You know what you should use as evidence? Going out and applying this stuff. That’s what we did, and that’s why we came to our conclusions. You don’t go out, so you have to whine about “assertions” because that’s all your knowledge is based on…other people’s experience. Because you don’t go out. Because you are socially retarded and scared of the outside world. And you keep thinking if you talk long enough that people will start to believe you and not be able to tell that you don’t go out or have any experience, but we won’t. We’ll keep calling you out on it as long as long as you keep doing it.
“You make no attempt to demonstrate my misunderstanding”
That’s because your “misunderstanding” is so retarded to anyone who goes out that it’s mind-blowing that you would think it in the first place, and with your lack of experience socializing you don’t have the ability to understand why what you’re saying is retarded. I can’t teach advanced algebra to a 2 year old…they simply lack the capacity to understand.
“If he is worthy of that esteem, he will not hesitate to reveal the sources which led to his conclusion.”
Here’s the sources: The outside world. Go do some research. 🙂
“You fall all over yourselves to agree with his unexamined declarations”
They are examined. By the hundreds of thousands of PUAs who’ve been going out for 10+ years examining these declarations. You are so dumb it’s actually physically painful to me to be typing this lol
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Apparently not that painful, since it’s at least your twentieth time repeating yourself.
I would send you my own umpteenth, patient explanation of your error, but we are clearly at an intellectual impasse, and I can’t/won’t match your manic Jack-Torrance-level output. If I am a jockey, who rides the horse, you are the glue-maker, who beats the dead horse with his keyboard.
Do you even remember the original controversy that inevitably inspired your pants-pissing this time? Scroll up. It was me daring to disagree with CH’s valorization of a shiftless drunk loser who bummed of a woman in his prime. I critiqued what I read between the lines in the original post; you fanboys lit your hair on fire in protest “that’s not what he’s saying! how can you even think he’s saying that!”; he then proceeded to confirm my interpretation down in the commentary (“The man who sponges … is a supreme alpha”); but your only mode at this level of discussion is outraged incredulity, until you give yourselves the vapors.
Your reply, “You obviously don’t have friends” (I paraphrase), or somesuch last-resort yawp, amounts to a weird confusion over why the world is not just like YaReally. And you always present the same self-absorbed conclusion twelve different ways.
The best you can do is claim: if only I went out more and interacted with the human race, I would want to be just like YaReally, think like YaReally, and agree with YaReally.
So, in the interest of preventing your 13th, 14th, and 15th reiteration of the same inert cop-out in this thread alone, let me answer once and for all the only question you ever ask me:
If, given the choice, would I be a pint-sized, semi-employed, former omega in his thirties who derives a sense of self-worth by quasi-date-raping booze-crippled, high maintenance, high-N whores in the establishments that once excluded him (revenge!), and who then comes to a comment section to pontificate endlessly about his superiority to men whose accomplishments are more widely acknowledged as genuine?
No.
Try to absorb that. We all didn’t start out our adulthoods “socially retarded and scared of the outside world,” as you did. Those who reject your trashy and immature life might have reasons you can’t fathom from the vantage of your gutter vision, your zero-to-mimic perspective on the world. We all weren’t just like you were once.
If only you could intuit when it’s advantageous to shut your yap, I’d have no problem with your interminable war stories, Alpha for Dummies lessons, and Owen Cook knob-slobbing. But your success in a narrow area of life gives you the impression that you can lecture your superiors in all other areas. That’s what lol lol lolling teenage boys do, that’s why I find you all so insufferable, not least because you are at more than ten years removed from when such insecure antics should be acceptable among men. There’s plenty of space at the kids’ table without bringing your loud gabby Look At Me! bids for attention to the adult conversation. If only you had a clue to your station in life. But, that’s right: you can replace the armpit-stained omega shirt with a superhero outfit sporting a Capital A, but deep down you still generate the reek of geek.
Why do you make me go here? Just stop. I would rather live and let live.
Matt
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@Matt
Lol. Just a looooong flowery pile of bullshit trying to distract people from:
1) you misinterpreted what CH wrote in a way that no one else did because you have a weird Aspie mentality and are determined to set yourself apart from the pack even when it means being wrong
2) you can’t admit you were wrong when, again, no one else read CH’s shit the way you did. Are all his readers dumber than you or should we go with Occam’s razor here?
3) you don’t go out and you don’t get pussy and if you do it’s shitty pussy. You can insult me all you want but that doesn’t change that in a conversation about women and attraction you are way out of your element.
I’m not even insulting you, just like I wouldn’t be insulting a 5 year old when I told him his crayon spaceship won’t fly.
You talk like “whether I’m good with women or not is irrelevant I’m a made man in every other category and giving you my advice” but what I was trying to get thru to you down below is that I doubt very highly that you’re a made man in any category. Like, ANY. I think you are a sad lonely basement dweller and I don’t think you’re qualified in any way to tell guys how to be men. I don’t think you understand how little respect I have for you lol because I know you. Because I’ve met hundreds of guys like you. Anyone who goes out can tell you are full of shit no matter how many flowery insults and analogies you toss out to try to distract them. We see right thru you.
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/eyeroll
The more you reply, the dumber you appear. You should have quit three rounds ago. (But that would be not dumb.)
Who at this point are you attempting to convince, other than yourself?
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@Matt
Like I’ve said before, I post to shit on you because there are guys with less experience who stumble across your bullshit and don’t realize that writing with authority doesn’t mean you actually have or deserve authority. I want those guys to know that you’re full of shit so they don’t waste their time following your lead.
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Dude, you don’t get what this blog is about and what is the average reader’s main concern: getting pussy. Not improving society; not improving ourselves; not becoming “real alphas” or debating what a real alpha is. We care about what works to get pussy with the minimal amount of money, time and effort invested. And little else. Our civilization is doomed anyways, so relax and try to learn something useful.
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Go to hell.
I’m here to teach all the young & lonely white guys how to get pussy SO THAT WE CAN START GETTING SOME WHITE* BUNS IN WHITE CHICKS’ OVENS AGAIN.
I don’t want the white race to go extinct – and with it, the only worthwhile civilization the world has ever known.
If I had purely nefarious motivations, then I sure as heck wouldn’t be sitting here giving away all the secrets to the youngsters.
*As opposed to the abominations which emerge from the birth canal of a Stanley Ann Dunham or a Lindsay Marie Boehner or a Kim Kardashian.
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If that’s what this blog is about, why all the threads about the current racial and political malaise?
Some of us, having never really had all that much trouble getting the women we wanted, like to hear and say more than just the dumb dancing monkey PUA videos and imaginary Jedi-like mind tricks it takes to bed down today’s Snookis.
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“Dude, you don’t get what this blog is about and what is the average reader’s main concern: getting pussy. Not improving society…”
How does “White Majority In The US Gone By 2043” get me pussy?
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Damn, I missed this hall-of-fame entry. A hundred of my posts distilled to a single sentence. I am humbled.
Still I loiter in Chinatown. If nothing else, the food is great here.
You want to swing by the Chinks, watch me eat, we’ll talk?
[CH: It’s comforting to believe “PUA”s are bedding snooki-type girls, isn’t it?]
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How could anyone improve society if he can’t get girls? Only a feminitst would say that a sexless man can improve society.
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There’s nothing “comforting” about that sad waste of resources. Especially since it tends to produce more Snookis.
It’s not that PUA skills necessarily mean their application to white trash sluts and daddyless coeds. It’s your insistence that PUA skills are morally neutral which encourages the dumber, lazier, and more resentful students to be satisfied with low-hanging fruit. And women follow suit, conforming themselves to the alpha-mimics’ indiscriminate taste for the skank. And we thereby promote the further manufacture of early-20s, high-N whores.
And you retreat poolside, to unironically complain about our cultural sewer.
Matt
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Zombie Shane
Go to hell.
I’m here to teach all the young & lonely white guys how to get pussy SO THAT WE CAN START GETTING SOME WHITE* BUNS IN WHITE CHICKS’ OVENS AGAIN.
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Therefore, I will not seek, nor will I accept, your nomination to make biscuits for white women.
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Your reading comprehension skills are lacking, Burger King. Just because an unemployed loser can get women does not mean you have to be that loser. You are an idiot.
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>I cannot see how a man who lives under the care of any woman, especially, his mother could be deemed alpha.<
I'll agree to this to a point. I have had sugar momma's and I am to the point now were I will except gifts drinks from women and will at times borrow money and take small amounts of money from women, but I don't like the idea of a woman providing for me all of the time.
But even then, where does that get you? This is only provider game, but there are other forms of game other than provider. Yes, women like men with money, but that money can be a DLV. Check out what happened to Chris Bosch and Tim Duncan. Their wives cheated on them.
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You get to call yourself a man. Just imagine being cheated on by a woman who was your provider. They’re actually more likely to cheat anyway. Check out what happens to, like, almost all stay-at-home dads.
I cannot, for the life of me, ever imagine myself borrowing money from a woman and feeling like I still had testicles. Maybe my mother, but that’s my Dad’s money anyway. Invariably, women who have stories about the ex that owed them money tend to be fatherless white trash. You can have them.
I’m not a fan of gyno-centric definition of alpha revealed in this post. If all men revile you, but you still manage to fall ass-over-tea-kettle into damaged clubrat snatch, you are still a festering failure at life, IMO.
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I get that feeling too, but that’s because I have a conscience. Most American women will take take take without a hint of care, so they get what they deserve. But I do know how you feel. I would not want a woman giving me everything, it just doesn’t feel right.
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Situational Alpha, bob, not Alpha Forever And Always In Every Beta Provider’s Wildest Fantasies. An Alpha just gets women.
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‘backboob swinging’..Editor’s pick!
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Unemployed, Alcoholic Badboy Game = nigger game
which = nigger culture which = nigger “civilization”
is that what you want?
[CH: Voltaire was white. So was Casanova. And Feynman.]
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Voltaire, Casanova, and Feynman?
[CH: Ben Franklin, Don Juan, Paul Gaugin, Rasputin.]
That’s the short list?
[The great European physicists comprise a short list, too.]
You have to start jibing your principles to your lifestyle, jive honkey. When you claim alpha is not admirable, this is the list of men you are left with to admire.
[I’d bet good money there are far more admirable alpha males than there are admirable omega males.]
It is therefore no surprise that your only strategies are to retreat “poolside” and complain in perpetuity.
[It must be a strange mental space you inhabit where every utterance sounds like a complaint.]
Sissygirls piss and moan all day; men act and fix things.
[What is seduction if not action?]
No wonder why you side with the dysfunctional cynics and parasites (“unemployed alcoholic badboy[s]”), backwards-defining them as “alpha” to feel good about your dereliction.
[The nomenclature alpha has no moral weight. It’s amoral. I don’t feel the least bit “good” about the unholy pull that wretched men have on women, but I do feel a — dare I say it? — divinely inspired need to bless the world with my tree of knowledge and bring balance to the force.]
Let this exemplar of n!gger civilization answer your question:
Matt
[I want more life, fucker.]
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No stranger than the Wonderland you inhabit where every term is subject to your redefinition for the sake of convenience:
Maybe. Is there ever a “because” in there to support your assertions, beyond the various scientistic tautologies? Or are we to presume your definitional authority/infallibility by virtue of sheer awesomeness?
I suppose you consider yourself a master to all the voluntarily enslaved among your readership, and good for you. But don’t let it go to your head, brother. There is another matter to consider, namely truthseeking.
Matt
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Matt King, Whatcha gonna dooooooooo???? When CH, and all his Heartizimaniacs, run wild on yoooooou???? Brother!!!
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Matt, it looks like it may be my turn now to bring up Chinatown.
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Just spend about 5 minutes looking through a Craigslist missed connections w4m section and you’ll find more than a few “you cheated on me and gave me an STD but I love you and want to be in your arms right now” posts.
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Re: reakcionar’s post about the gorgeous dentist into the bad boy, Hollywood even made a movie along the same lines about a beautiful, young dentist (a young Julia Ormond) who falls in love with an average-looking guy who is in prison for—wait for it now–murdering his wife. Go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARl74k8BjGw.
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“Anyone who (erroneously) pluralizes words with the letter z is guaranteed to be a triple-chinned nerdo leftoid or cauliflower-thighed chunkster chick. No exceptions.”
cue GBFM.
[CH: GBFM pluralizes with multiple z’s, thus exempting himself from self-incrimination.]
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Alpha fux, beta bux: Alcoholic Bad Boy Edition
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Forgot to include the lolololzzz. GBFM is the tits.
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What does lolololzzzz mean?
[CH: boner orifice-boner orifice-boner orifice-boner orifice-sleep]
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lzozozlzlzozzz zis waot dat which ye find all over yer facez after ye have da gbfm over to your place zlzozozozo lzlzlzzozlzozozz.zozozozlzzozl in ur fac ee zzlzozozozozozlzzozlzoz
pleae buy dis shirt
http://www.cafepress.com/greatbooksformen.582539777
and post da receipt here if u want me to answer any more quetsisoznz,zlzlzlozzlozzlz
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“boner orifice-boner orifice-boner orifice-boner orifice-sleep”
lololollzzololzzzz
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It means you are a dirty little girl
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lzozozoozo
dat is ok heartrsistez was right againz!!
he just missppleeded some wordsz:
“Anyone who (erroneously) pluralizes words with the letter z is guaranteed to be a triple-chinned nerdo leftoid or have cauliflower-thigh-sized chunkster dick lidke da gbfmzlzlzooz zlzlzoozolzlozlz. No exceptions.”
i maa making a GBFM speell check app to heelp eveoryeoenz out lzlzozozozo
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lolzzz.
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If attitude is 100%, then if a guy is a super religious nerd who wears boyties, and he has an attitude, will it still work?
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I know a few polygamists out west who fit the bill. Each are ardent bible thumpers with 3 wives a piece.
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Are they Christian or Mormon? It makes me angry to hear a so-called Christian (any denomination) ignorantly claim that polygamy is a sin. These are the same people who imagine masturbation is a sin.
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I know nerdy brown guys who dress like that and who’s religions don’t allow them to have sex with random chicks who still go out and game girls and take them home etc. they just don’t go “all the way”.
Obviously, them telling girls they can’t have sex with them often MAKES the girls want to have sex with them lol. I have no idea how they have the self restraint but I’m not a religious guy myself.
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A quiet fellow on my fratty dorm floor was studying for the priesthood and he couldn’t beat the women off with a crucifix. They were all determined to be The One to save him from his vow of celibacy.
Seminary game, yo. Wear a Roman collar and watch the magic happen.
Wait. That’s not “badboy” at all. Quite the contrary. WTF?
[CH: Maybe not, but it is disqualification game.]
Another pious high school friend applied to the Anglican ministry and he was a social magnet wherever he went. When it became clear that the Episcopalian clerisy was only interested in how well the young man got along with Gene Robinson’s lavender hermeneutics (if you know what I mean), he fled the religion altogether. But he retained the skills he picked up from such a young age and applied them to the realm of the flesh (if you know what I mean). Like a voice trained for high church worship suddenly singing the cantiones profanes.
Not unlike the contradictions of this website.
O Fortune / Like the moon / Ever changeable / Always increasing / Or decreasing.
Detestable life / First oppressive / Then easy / As fancy takes it. / Poverty / And power / It melts them like ice.
Fate-monstrous / And empty / You whirling wheel / Stand malevolent. / Well-being is vain / And always fades to nothing. / Shadowed / And veiled / You plague me too.
Now through the game / I bare my back / To your villainy.
Fate, in health / And in virtue / Is now against me. / Driven on / And weighted down / Always enslaved.
So at this hour / Without delay / Pluck the vibrating string / Since Fate / Strikes down the strong man. / Everyone weep with me!
Matt
[Chicks dig a crooner.]
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telling.
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i knew it! i’ve known it! you are ignatius jacques reilly!
“So we see that even when Fortuna spins us downward, the wheel sometimes halts for a moment and we find ourselves in a good, small cycle within a larger bad cycle. The universe, of course, is based upon the principle of the circle within the circle. At the moment, I am in an inner circle. Of course, smaller circles within this circle are also possible.”
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Nah. It’s disqualification game. Combine it with consciously applying cat-string and push-pull theory and you have a hella powerful combo.
The common thread when you drill down, between the disqualifying priest guy and the alcoholic loser guy, is that neither gives a shit if the girl doesn’t want to fuck them. Whether the reason for that attitude is religious brainwashing or an apathy toward life in general is irrelevant…the end behavior is the same attractive attitude that women respond to.
Like I’ve said before, when you have two conflicting examples, you have to drill down further to figure out what’s really going on. You don’t say “well you said badboys get the girl but I know a good guy who does so let’s just throw everything out the window!!!” That’s what Feminists do with NAWALT. “None of MY friends are like that so your examples are all cancelled out!” “Some fat people are healthier than some thin people so it’s impossible to determine that the 400lbs fatty sucking back McDonald’s isn’t healthy so lets throw all nutrition science out the widow because its too hard to drill deeper!!”
No, instead you say “okay we have two seemingly contradictory results here, so lets drill deeper and look for what’s common between these two results”.
You’re a smart enough guy, I’m kind of surprised I have to explain this to you…are you just trolling for the sake of trolling now? Is that your new “thing”? Your identity of being “Mr Expert” has stopped working so now your identity is “Mr Contradiction”, jumping into every article to argue for the sake of arguing and getting attention? It’s sort of silly to waste all of our time pretending to need explanations for your strawmen when you could be using that time to write more good stuff like this instead:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/unemployed-alcoholic-badboy-game/#comment-449477
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Disqualification game and outcome independence. I think a lot of people have trouble understanding the concepts described by CH and others if they don’t go out and apply them (or at least watch them in action). Its like reading a book on how to play poker. A lot of the situations and hands described are so much easier to understand once you’ve actually played the game. There are a lot of keyboard jockeys on here who reveal that they don’t ever go out to venues where hot girls are located in mass quantities. if they did and interacted with these girls, the core concepts would start to sink in (hopefully).
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One more mindless, parroting acolyte who missed the last bus to Clueville. I can’t keep up.
Not every divergence from your idols’ hallowed opinions can be chalked up to keyboard jockeying. I mean, you’re just intellectually lazy to fall back on this canard in lieu of actually constructing a counterpoint. But you do follow directives well.
Don’t any of you chumps want to actually be your own men with your own, self-generated opinions and observations? You display a palpable fear of deviating from the script one bit, petrified you’ll be labeled uncool by some dude from his own keyboard who doesn’t know shit about you beyond the fact that you disagree.
On a forum that attempts to teach men how to be men, there is no room for students to actually practice against their masters. No encouragement for deviation, no tolerance of challenge.
Try to think of it this way: chances are that men have been observing and describing the very behavior you have only recently invented terms for (“disqualification,” “outcome independence”) to coincide with your latter-day initiation into human interaction. It may have been called “flirting” and “socializing” and “courting” and “playing hard to get,” among a thousand other concepts. Or it may have been called nothing at all. But the ideas didn’t suddenly spring into existence the moment your autodidact masters invented a word for them. In fact, you seem to forget that most well-adjusted men do not need to study flirtation techniques like algebra in order to function socially, and so your arrogance is especially rich.
Now, with someone who came to his understanding independent of your PUA.com training, it is just unrealistic to assume his knowledge level is the same as his unfamiliarity with your acquired wisdom and learned jargon. Maybe he describes the phenomenon in a way you don’t recognize. Maybe your thinking has been retarded by your reliance on an untested glossary. There are many possibilities for the disconnect beyond the flaws of the dissenter. Only you act as though it is blasphemous to arrive at the same conclusions outside of The One True Way.
That’s called intellectual slavery. The opposite of what you should be learning in a place like this. But anything to avoid backsliding to the bad old omega days, eh? Amirite?
Matt
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@Holden Caulfield
Yep, I concur with all that that.
@Matt
“Don’t any of you chumps want to actually be your own men with your own, self-generated opinions and observations?”
The part you still don’t grasp, and that you won’t grasp because you don’t go out, is that we don’t come to these conclusions based on “teh PUAs told me so!!”. We come to these conclusions because “the PUAs told me so, and then I went out and put in a shit-ton of hours in the field testing it for myself to see first-hand whether these things add up or not in real life and it turns out the stuff that thousands of guys putting in thousands of hours in the field have concluded is how things appear to work.”
You are still thinking of this all as theory, because you don’t go out and apply it, so to you this IS all theory. You are debating the best way to throw a jab or the best way to swing a golf club, while thousands of guys who’ve invested thousands of hours into throwing tons of jabs and swinging golf clubs have all come to the same conclusions on what the best method is.
Then you come along, having never punched or swung in your life, going “wahh wahh!! Everyone pay attention to me!! I have no experience and I’m talking out of my ass but if you agree with the same thing all these experts do, then you’re just brainwashed by them and can’t think for yourselves!! You guys must just be listening to them instead of applying it and finding out for yourself because I don’t apply anything for myself and that’s the frame of reference I come from and view others in!!!”
It’s silly and every time you do it, you just show that you don’t go out.
“There are many possibilities for the disconnect beyond the flaws of the dissenter.”
No, there’s one possibility. A lack of Field Experience. Even Naturals come to the same conclusions PUAs do, they just use different terminology or don’t know how to describe it. Again, you are trying to play way out of your league with your betters here.
“But anything to avoid backsliding to the bad old omega days, eh? Amirite?”
oooo, an “Amirite?”. I recognize that, that’s snark! You’re slipping further and further into Feminist “debate” tactics every day. Coincidentally they, too, have to resort to snark because they can’t argue against facts.
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+11 on Carl Orff… one of the few with the chops to NOT leave Germany during You-Know-When and still have his music NOT fall into the memory hole vortex of You-Know-Who.
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Alpha is entirely attitude.
Here I am at the age of 39 and when I reflect upon my secondary education (as you north Americans call it, “high school”) it was scandalous. Not only did it not prepare us for the reality of the masculine / feminine & alpa / beta dichotomies, our school actually bred beta males.
I recall one teacher, our form head throughout secondary school. This man was a devout and pious Roman catholic who never left home, lived his entire life with his pious parents and sister (who also never left home or married), went to mass every day, devoted his entire life to the school, never learnt to drive and would take the 12 / 13 yr olds away to a hostel at the arse end of Ireland every summer for ten days. I refused to go, twice. This enraged him.
This teacher died in 2011. In retrospect I can see him for what he was and am aware of what motivated him. That anyone would consider such a bigoted and stunted creature to be any type of example to adolescent males is indefensible.
I recall a fifteen year old lad in our class who had got a girl pregnant (our school did not have girls, it was all boy …) I chatted about it with him. He told me that it was their third fuck but that she hadn’t been his “real” girlfriend ….
Aaaaaaaalpha!
What I recall about this kid was that he was wild, smoked, fucked around, farted loudly in class (to the rage of many many teachers) never did well in lessons (and ours was a prestigious Irish private school for boys) but also was popular and sought after. This kid was also streetwise and warned me to watch out for the form tutor … go figure, as Americans say.
I met him many years later. He has six children by the same number of women. A number of convictions. No job, no money but this didn’t worry him because he was being supported by his live-in lover who had a well paid job.
Subconscious skittles man.
I liked him in school for his wit and charisma and I still liked him last time we met. Meanwhile I had to get the school to instruct the form tutor to cease and desist from contacting me. The form tutor died of undetected diabetes because, apparently, we don’t have doctors in Dublin.
Yes, alpha is attitude.
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It is my great wish that one day the Catholic Church will pay in blood and tears the violence it has perpetrated upon European Man these last two millennia.
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Say what?
The Catholic Church built European Man into a world-bestriding colossus. And now he’s sinking into nothingness after telling the Catholic Church to go take a hike.
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You’ve got it exactly backwards Corv.
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Do I?
“The Catholic Church built European Man into a world-bestriding colossus.” See: Age of Discovery.
“And now he’s sinking into nothingness after telling the Catholic Church to go take a hike.” Twentieth Century.
I might also add, filling the Church with commie queers after WW2, which is just adding insult to injury.
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I’m not a religious man at all, but you have to admit America began to fall into decay after it replaced the Catholic church with the church of leftism
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Not necessarily. The Catholic Church was the only semblance of law and order when the Roman Empire was falling apart.
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You can start your faggot reprisals with me, faggot.
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I’ve got bigger fish to fry, macho-man.
P.S. I’d go easy on the word faggot if I were you, Jesus-boy.
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* flaps wrists and flounces out the door
Actually, no: that’s the kinda carryon the creepy dead teacher went on twith
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It is my great wish that one day the Catholic Church will pay in blood and tears the violence it has perpetrated upon European Man these last two millennia.
Dude!
The false-faced cry of “Liberty, Equality, Brotherhood!” from so-called enlightened atheists and agnostics shed far, far, FAR more blood in two centuries than all the crusades, inquisitions, and other imagined horrors that could be laid at the doorstep of the Church over the past two millennia.
Get your bete noire pecking order straight… if only for the sake of intellectual integrity.
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Greg, I meant violence as in the type of sex-phobia that leads to what Chris described in his post above. That teacher’s life was shit, and only Christianity could have accomplished what caused it. Violence, like Alphas, come(s) in different forms.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/taylorgr/sxnhst/
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“A devout and pious Roman Catholic”? No. The teacher was being scrupulous and anti-social, not to mention pusillanimous, which are also sins. I am also a “devout and pious Roman Catholic” but I also read CH and go out and practice interacting with women and learning to be alpha.
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AHH HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh. By “violence” you meant something like you got touched as a little boy and had no dad to teach you to beat the piss out of whoever the was. Bad touching is the equivalent of blunt force trauma! No … worse … sexophobia is worse than the Inquisitor’s rack!
Is this how your woman psychologist taught you how to regard “violence”?
And here you were promising me “tears and blood” for millennia of “perpetrat[ion]”! You couldn’t even stand up for your own bodily integrity in a confessional box. But online you are ready to declare war against the Church eternal.
They need to tighten the standards for those auditioning to play the next Lucifer. They’ll take any squeaky chucklehead these days.
Oh, for fucksake. Send me a worthy opponent, Lord, that I might bring the mighty low in your Name. Not another “‘”‘”‘alpha'”‘”‘ who ‘loves’ to ‘fight’.” Not one more florid pissant borrowing his name from the classics, whose greatest rhetorical triumph in life is momentarily sticking to the bottom of my internet shoe.
Matt
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You know, I wanted to say all this. 😉
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“No … worse … sexophobia is worse than the Inquisitor’s rack!”
Now you’re catching on.
“And here you were promising me “tears and blood” for millennia of “perpetrat[ion]“!”
Your time is short.
“They need to tighten the standards for those auditioning to play the next Lucifer. They’ll take any squeaky chucklehead these days.”
Lucy was once an Angel, like you. That’s why I oppose you both.
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There are plenty of pedophiles outside of the Catholic church
Children are being abused every where, in every culture and religion , even by atheists.
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That’s one of the dirty little secrets of the Cathedral… the amount of child abuse that goes on in the public schools, especially the “bad sections”, by both adults and other “children” is horrendous, compared to the Catholic Church.
And you’ll NEVER hear the word “homosexual” in re the pedophilia.
But it’s so much easier to point out the splinter in the other guy’s eye… especially when you’ve got a leftist two-fer in 1) denigrating Christianity and 2) setting up the sympathy angle for today’s self-destructive queers and non-clergy abusers who themselves were allegedly abused as children.
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“And you’ll NEVER hear the word “homosexual” in re the pedophilia.”
Interesting statistic:
One hundred percent of men who molest boys are homosexuals.
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How could this sort of life be attractive to any serious man? Dependent on a woman? I wouldn’t call him an alpha. A parasite, maybe. Imagine the quality of women who have tolerated him. Imagine how much he loathes them, and himself. Imagine his future.
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Put it in perspective. There are men who are going years without a woman even touching them. If he’s a loser, the scale goes down a whole lot more.
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^^^^ this
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Because he doesn’t judge his self-worth on the opinions of other men or society like you do. Again it’s not admirable but it is Alpha. The CEO who starts a company up against all odds and nay-sayers telling him he’s crazy and shouldn’t try it, has the same mentality.
The guy who gets the career because he’s scared people won’t respect him and gets the 6-pack because he’s worried girls won’t like him and gets married because his GFs family is pressuring him is Beta even if objectively he’s more successful or contributes more to society, because at the end of the day he’s still letting other people determine his goals/actions instead of himself. He spends his life reacting and basing his worth on other people’s opinions of him.
This guy in the OP just doesn’t have an internal drive to do more with his life for himself compared to the CEO.
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Selfishness is baaad, ‘m kaaay? This I know. The Bible told me so.
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Yes, this is an accurate response.
Our school churned out clones and drones for the boardroom.
Since then the economy of the west, including Ireland, has collapsed due not in small part to the grotesque ponzi scheme of such people. The values were all wrong.
Again, remember the criteria of this blog:-
“marriage is for chumps” (or cunts more like it)
“alphas father bastards, betas raise them”
(My dad is alpha – I am the spitting image of him, God bless him)
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Bear in mind what has been posted on the Chateau before – we no longer live in times when honest industrious and competent people are rewarded. These days we reward the lazy the stupid and the aggressive. So, by this criterion, the 15 year old gigolo was ahead of the curve.
Also, consider the previously confirmed criteria of the Chateau – alpha is the amount of hot young women (or men, vide Liberace) who you fuck. The 15 year old already had girls hanging around outside the school gates waiting from him after school so what does that say about him? Furthermore this kid was with “the young stuff”. Underage himself, he was safe to bang 15 year old girls.
go figure
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So. The models you had to choose between were the closeted omega creepteacher who fondled you and the farting wigger bastard-maker you secretly crushed on at your all-boys school. No wonder you turned to cock. A “third way” indeed.
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Riiiiiiiiight… That’s why he’s gay… Matt, isn’t it difficult to reconcile your reasonable intelligence with your dogmatic adherence to dogma?
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Ho, ho! Reasonable intelligence… high praise indeed, all-the-more relished in the begrudging admission.
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I never disputed that Matt is an intelligent dude. I know it is hard, but try to avoid constructing straw-men.
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And try not to damn with faint praise… calling Matt’s intelligence reasonable is like begrudgingly admitting Ty Cobb was a serviceable baseball player.
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greg: worshipful reverence of matt makes you look like a fanboy. please try to tone it down (for your own sake, not mine).
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Hypocrite… praising and respecting a man for his talents does tend to irk his detractors, but like I told you South Parkers a dozen times already, you’re NOT entitled to your own dictionary.
Look up “worship” and “reverence” and use them correctly in the future.
And try to have enough character to notice that, while you and girl-shitter Yareally and that fag-looking beaner with the funny hat often circle jerk each other, I don’t accuse YOU all of “worship”.
You fairy.
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I don’t shit girls, that would be thoroughly uncomfortable. However, the wings from last night seem to be staging an attack right now… 😥
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Well, I did warn you about that XXX sauce.
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greg. i used them correctly. let me make this simple for you: stop e-sucking matt’s cock; stop saying “you fairy”; stop making terrible, dad-like puns; stop pretending you have something meaningful to contribute to a website that isn’t dedicated to white nationalism; and, most importantly, stop taking the time to italicize and bold your words, you fucking nerd.
fact: i don’t give a fuck about yareally or ch. i’ve said it a thousand times and i will say it a thousand more, if need be. stop trying to assign some identity to me that doesn’t match up at all with what i’ve written about on this message board. god, you’re insufferable. you’re a fifty-something year old man obsessed with js and ns and spending 3/4 of your waking-life on a message board dedicated to the pursuit of carnal pleasure. what does that say about you? what happened in your life that lead you here?
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“So. The models you had to choose between were the closeted omega creepteacher who fondled you ”
^^^^ no, he never fondled me, I never let him get that close
“and the farting wigger bastard-maker you secretly crushed on at your all-boys school.”
^^^^ secretly??
“No wonder you turned to cock. A “third way” indeed … ”
^^^^ I knew I was into cock long before then. It was a birth thing, really.
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Touche’ at that second point.
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No, Greg. He insists in point one that he was never touchéd.
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Not by the teacher …
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My my, I created a runner here, didn’t I?
All you cunts are tame
You lads should bear something in mind: I come from gay chatrooms and blogs which are the Russian front of internet trolling.
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I once joined an online discussion about abstinence education. When I casually commented that the only thing that need be said on the issue was to quote Sidney Poitier in To Sir With Love (linked here at 32:50): “No man likes a slut for long. Only the worst type will marry one.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chjwNrbarH8
The shrieking, the insults, the accusations of misogyny came like a tsunami (each accusation worse than the next. Each getting “likes” from the feminists and manboobs). Bad were the feminists. Worse were the manboobs. Much, much worse. But worst of all was that nobody had the freaking guts to agree with this obvious proposition.
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Fight the Cathedral!!!!!
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And this is why we can’t have nice things anymore…like Western Civilization.
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Most droll.
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+1
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/young-women-from-britain-in-1930s-nazi-germany-a-905617.html
Suck it down, betas.
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Subway masturbators wept.
Racial Fascism is the only solution to Weimar 2.0.
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Too rich, too droll.
Hamsters love to get their exercise on those wheels…
of the Sun!
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Straight for the fasces.
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“We didn’t know what was going on”, yeah right. Like we never heard that line before.
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Off topic, forgive me but I wanted to post a dating site field report.
Saturday afternoon I message a chick, no response till about 1am, shes been drinking and we start chatting, I escalate. She’s in town visiting friends and staying at her friends house but wants me to come over. I tell her that I will but it will not go well if the people your staying with find out you invited a stranger over. I get the address under the agreement she would sneak me in and she would tell everyone shes passing out. I get there and run into the worst LMR Ive ever encountered, Im talking about job interview for the CIA type LMR. Instead of answering her questions I kept replying, if your not comfortable I can just go, its not a big deal to me. And about every variation of that theme I could come up with. After about 15 minutes of this small talk her friends come looking for her. At first its just her friend, then its her friends mom. Instead of panicking I turn up the charm and start hitting on the friend and the mom and they both just start eating it up, while the dating site chick is just standing off to the side with her arms crossed. After about a half hour(its now about 3am) the friend and mom leave but say they will be right back. Then dating site chick says well we should probably go inside before they come back out here. While we were all talking I could here men yuckin’ it up in the backyard so I figured I should just cut my losses and say no im gonna just take off. What I was wondering, the friend was really hot, and gave me solid ioi. It was really easy to find her on FB, should I even bother trying to message her? and if so, should I continue where I left off or just say something brief…
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What are the odds you’ll run into her again? Do you live in a big city?
Times like this where I reengage, I’ll make a callback statement to when we spoke the first time (if I’m cracking jokes and she’s digging it), then if she says anything back, I’ll neg or qualify. If she takes it there with “what do you mean???” or some equivalent…you’re off to the races.
Kinda hard to tell you exactly how we all would do it because we weren’t there and you didn’t provide a lot of context. What did you say to her that night that she ate up?
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that’s kinda what i was thinking. kind of funny you said off to the races bc i was giving her crap about Nascar lol
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Why not? There’s nothing to lose (especially since there was no real chance to get her phone number, so it won’t seem like you pussed out by going the Facebook route).
Make a funny joke referencing something you spoke about with her that night.
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Am I the only one that finds this absolutely terrifying in the long term. I tend not to believe dysgenics but I feel it could happen. Alphas may be more desirable to women, but unless they have the intelligence and skill sets that this guy clearly lacks, they will not be as productive as your typical Beta male.
Settling may not be in favor of the woman when choosing her partner between these two archetypes, but it will REALLY help society.
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There are parasitic type Alphas who only look out for themselves, and there are the value-giving ones. I consider myself one of the latter, and the PUA community was sort of based around becoming value-giving alphas (helping eachother out) so a lot of my mentality comes from that culture we had in the early days.
A part of why I help other guys and write all this shit and help shy random guys come out of their shell when I’m out partying is because I know that ultimately I probably won’t personally contribute much to society. I’m probably not going to become CEO of a zillion dollar company that creates millions of jobs or discover a cure for cancer or anything. I’m pretty happy just making enough to get by and enjoying life. I may not even reproduce, if I get snuffed out by life too soon, you never know. I have no interest in settling with one woman right now or anytime soon, possibly ever.
But those guys I help, whether they’re good friends that I regularly wing with and coach and help find steady quality girlfriends, or whether they’re just some random guy who stumbled across a comment of mine that helped change his outlook and got him to approach that one girl he would’ve talked himself out of approaching and that one girl was The One for him that he ends up settling with immediately never playing “the game” again and raising a family & kids etc…
THOSE guys might do something awesome for the world. Or their offspring might, or their offspring’s offspring, who knows? I spend a lot of my time on game but a lot of these guys are just “that med student who’s going to be an amazing surgeon one day and save thousands of lives over his career, but needed a push to be more assertive around girls so 5 years later he’s a more assertive man when he meets the nurse he’s working with and she’s attracted and they end up married”.
I’m not creating a bunch of clones of myself…in fact most guys I help (like 99%) don’t want to and wouldn’t be ABLE to be like me because we just come from different backgrounds and have different priorities and views on relationships and life etc. I’ve only met two guys in person who are legit like myself, the vast majority are guys who have their shit together in life and will party and meet girls like normal 20-30yo’s should, and just have a bit more success here and there because of me, and then they’ll find a cool chick and settle down and progress down the normal white pickett fence good career 2.5 kids path that they were already on and some of them will do good things for the world that a guy like me will probably never do or be in a position to do.
It’s like being an agent for creative people…you may not create anything yourself, but your goal is to help the people who CAN do it be in a position to do it. You don’t get the thanks or the spotlight in the long-run but that album was produced or that painting is in a museum or that film was made or that book was written because you helped arrange the right meeting with the right people for that person.
So I don’t really look at it that bleakly. Most guys don’t want to be the jobless alcoholic bum anymore than you do, even if they can get laid doing that…just try teaching some of your buddies game and watch how much of it they’ll reject lol. They aren’t going to go “what?? I can quit law school and just play Xbox all day and get pussy?? Fuck it, I’m dropping out!!”
And quite frankly, I’d be the first to smack them if they did…cause I need them to go do good things to make my contributions to their life mean something.
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I think somewhere near 1000 people downloaded the YaReally Compendium PDF from my mediafire back when I had it posted this winter and spring.
Think about that, that’s a lot of people who were interested enough to pursue and study up on your musings and opinions.
Even if 10% of them take that and info and actively incorporate it into their life, 100 random Internet strangers is still a lot to have influenced.
For me personally, I was on a manosphere bent last year when I first starting soaking up all this info. I was going down a path of disillusioned, red-pill keyboard jockey. Reading your stuff and trying to improve my game and mentality off it definitely moved the needle to a more healthy and sociable headspace.
Without that, I wouldn’t be this social guy who is trying to add value when he goes out. No 30 day challenge or concept of paying it forward to others. I would have gone out far less and read far more. It’s like your comments helped swing the pendulum back to a better headspace.
And for that, I thank you.
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Glad to have helped! And in true butterfly effect fashion, the things you, or any of those 100 guys, do (making that archive for guys to read, or cheering up a depressed/shy stranger you met at a bar because you decided to go out and spread value, or giving some girl a relationship that affects her life positively, becoming close friends with someone you wouldn’t have met if you weren’t working on being social, teaching your future son or nephew some game one day that helps him, etc) may result in good things for the world that I’ll never know about.
And I’m alright with that, because I’ve already seen a lot of positive change in the people I spend time with and I know I’ve positively affected a lot of people’s (guys and girls) lives. And my own life was transformed via learning game so I’ve experienced positive change and the effects of paying it forward first-hand.
And hey, maybe all this good karma will balance out all the bad karma I keep racking up 😉 lol
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IG – Can you share that link to the PDF?
And YaReally your posts are always solid. I mentally refer to your “life story” comment when I’m having a bullshit night out to keep things in perspective.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/how-do-i-get-out-of-the-friend-zone/#comment-345976
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@String
lol glad that long-ass ramble helps ya. My buddies who are just starting to learn game now complain so fucking much, I wish they could have seen the shit I had to go through, they’d appreciate how easy they have it lol
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[…] Unemployed, Alcoholic Badboy Game […]
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Herpes is a blast. Ulcerating sores on your dick for about 5 years before it tapers off a bit. The worst part though is the nerve inflammation, which feels like someone ripping all the nerves out of your ass with a pair of pliers. This goes on for a week or two before the bloody pustules erupt on your shaft. Can bump your “game” depending on your outlook, as it engenders a surly, devil-may-care attitude that dames find irreristable.
I notice you have worked “loins” into your shtick. ForeignBride and I recently watched the orginal “Tarzan” starring Johnny Weismuller. Fascinating, given its production date of 1932, in showing so-called “female hypergamy”.
Jane : “You are the most horrible man in the world Tarzan”, as they frolic nude in the river and shortly before he drags her to his treehouse crib (that is after he treats the audience to his “loincloth”). I’m serious, there is a nude swimming scene, complete with “nipples”. Jane clearly prefers Tarzan to her stuffy English suitor. Then, savage dwarves and stampeding elephants.
It was the first movie to gross $1 million. ForeignBride loved it. Definiitely a movie to put in the “VCR” when you have female company.
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Math Teacher Counts 8 Nuts A Night With Underage, Low Self-Esteem Pupil:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2343148/Runaway-teacher-sex-pupil-times-night-tells-jury-He-took-away-feared-I-kill-myself.html?ICO=most_read_module
Check out the alpha gives-no-fucks smirk in all its glory:
“Yeah, I popped 15 year-old pussy like it was goin’ outta style. What have you done, huh?”
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I game in high-end clubs because I like women that dress up, but objectively I completely don’t belong there and shouldn’t be able to compete with the guys there and the girls there shouldn’t be into me. I literally own one pair of jeans and one dress shirt and one pair of black shoes (those rubbery ones you get at the mall for $70 that are like comfortable slip-on sneaker-bottoms). I’m not unemployed right now, but I have been at points, and income-wise I’m around the poverty line.
The guys in the clubs I go to are literally driving there in porsches and wearing expensive tailored suits and are jacked/ripped with 6-pack abs and $80 haircuts and work in high-paying industries, etc. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, iBankers, all that shit. This is the 25-50yo male crowd I’m talking about:
I’d break the good-looking studly rich men in these environments down like so:
40% – EXTREME Betas. Shit with girls and don’t know how to socialize. Even a lot of the super good-looking studly rich type guys fall into this category. These guys never get laid…even if a girl throws herself at him, which they do now and then based on his looks, that dies out 10 seconds in when he does something Beta and turns her off and then the girls complain to me that the guys there “are all boring”.
40% – Fun Betas. Shit with girls, but they’re social and out-going at least, and have some cool friends, buy shots for their group, maybe can dance, that kind of thing…they just don’t know how to get girls or what to do with any attention they get. These guys very rarely get laid and it takes a massive alignment of the planets and a lot of patience/aggressiveness on the girl’s part to hit him over the head with the clue-hammer and forgive a ton of fuck-ups and even THEN it’ll take him 2 months of dating to get the lay half the time just because he’s trapped in “being a gentleman” mode and that’s if the girl doesn’t lose interest or meet someone with more game/Alphaness. It’s painful to watch these guys for me because I see a ton of windows they aren’t taking and I’m like “aghghh you could have gotten her on day ONE if you weren’t so bad at this” lol
19% – Aimless Alphas. Sometimes Natural, sometimes learned, but these guys are cool, fun, out-going, social, flirty, can talk to girls, can get attraction, etc. BUT, they’re kind of “winging it” and letting what happens happen…so they sabotage themselves accidentally, or they don’t escalate when a window is there, or they miss out on a few subtle iois and don’t get a girl they could’ve gotten if their game was sharper, or they’re scared to cold approach and can only warm approach (social circle introduction or obvious/blatant Approach Invite from the girl) or they lose their girl to another Alpha because they don’t really consciously know how to compete, or they get into fights because to them Alphas aren’t afraid of fighting, etc. These guys get laid a lot but they don’t have much choice in who they bang because they rely on the girl essentially initiating things and then they rely on the universe allowing them to end up with that girl by not throwing too many difficult obstacles in the way. These guys also often end up with average girls instead of the hottest ones, because they can’t deal with the obstacles involved in getting the hottest ones (cockblocking friends, logistics, getting distracted by other guys, beta themselves to the hottest girls because they get intimidated by her hotness, etc.).
1% – Alphas with game. The guys who actually pull consistently, see and act on the open windows of opportunity, have other Alphas react to them, know how to escalate on girls, don’t have to “prove” themselves by getting into fights, etc. These guys can get laid most nights they want to and understand how to have a decent shot with the specific girls they want because they can handle obstacles. These are those magical mystical CEO badass “own the boardroom during the day, own the women at night” magic ninjas that guys who don’t go out are terrified of or are working themselves into an early grave hoping to BECOME (like they seriously think if they work enough hours and make enough $ and have a nice enough suit like bam, a light-switch is going to flip On and they’re just going to tear it down with women lol…these guys generally end up in the Fun Beta category when they do finally achieve all that success in looks/money/etc. that they wanted, because they still don’t know how to game and thought all that shit would compensate for that…then they end up having to pay for hookers or go the “models & bottles” route where promoters bring women to them to drink their alcohol and give them some attention and make them feel like champs without actually being attracted).
Now this is different from other environments, like a country bar might be more like 60% Aimless Alphas, because that crowd tends to be more “manly” and ready to scrap and all that shit because they’re sitting on the back of pickup trucks chugging beers and working construction and scrapping regularly…whereas the rich beta career crowd is often taking orders from women in a cozy coddling office environment and constantly worrying about whether he should wear the pink tie or the fuscha one for the meeting with the big-wigs halfway through his 18hr work-day so that environment creates more betas.
Anyway, stacking myself up against that breakdown, I’m not even remotely concerned about the first two categories. They pretty much don’t exist in terms of competition for girls, and I’ll befriend them just because I’m a friendly guy and they all love me instantly and, being rich, will buy me drinks/shots lol. These guys might as well not even exist, in terms of girls. So that’s 80% of the crowd of rich good-looking men who are completely irrelevant right from the start.
The Aimless Alphas are more trouble because they’re often the ones that get the most attention…they cause the most scene, and the girls flock to them because they can all tell right away “these are the Alpha guys, we want to meet them and hope that one of them has enough game to land us”. These guys tend to be pretty competitive too, so they’ll try to take eachother’s girls. One of the tactics these guys love is to jump into a set (in an abrupt abrasive way that would get his ass kicked in a sketchy bar) with a guy in it and grab the girl’s attention by telling them to come with him to do shots (or to buy her group a drink etc.). If the guy talking to the girls doesn’t have enough value yet, the girls jump on the offer because hey, free drink.
The unfortunate part is that the girls generally don’t end up fucking that guy, they just use him for the drink and go, but the original guy that was working on them didn’t have enough time to build things up, so in the end that dipshit doesn’t get any of the girls and neither does the original guy so no one gets laid…yes, I’m bitter about this move lol it happens a lot…if I’ve had enough time to work on the girl she’ll either stay with me, make her group shoot him down, or bring me with her and then he has to buy me a drink too (lol). Often you can’t even befriend these guys because they know you’re competition and have an adversarial mindset…although they sometimes try to tool you by buying you a drink (trying to flash $ to look Alpha) which is awesome to me because I just tell him that it doesn’t mean I’m going to put out for him tonight which girls love and guys tend get caught off guard by and I can work the girls off that.
This is all Field Experience. In the minds of keyboard jockeys, the club is like 80% rich guys who are all badass James Bond massive game-having rich porsche-driving badass adventure ninjas that get the hottest girls in the bar every night and can just walk past you and your girl will throw her drink in your face and jump on the guy’s dick. That’s just not how it plays out in reality.
Now specifically relating this to CH’s article topic: I’ve found a good strategy in these enviros is to be the extreme sleaze lol Like completely disqualify yourself from being any kind of Provider to the girls. I’ll tell them flat out that I’m poor and have no car and let them rub my belly and tell them I have a girlfriend and tell them I won’t take them to dinner etc. (George Costanza game lol)…but because I’m flirty and confident and my vibe is solid and I can handle obstacles/AMOGs/etc. and give the girls the gina tingles they want, they still want to fuck me.
Now for me, right now I’m not looking for a long-term married relationship or anything. I just want to bang these girls as casual fuckbuddies. So what I do is encourage them to go after these other guys and find themselves a nice Beta Provider that will buy them pretty things (that she’ll wear for me lol) and take them out to dinner and all that shit and that they should just use me for sex on the side while they find a “real boyfriend”. So often I’ll be in a situation where the girl is going on “dates” with some rich better-looking dude, but coming over to my place after her date to get laid because she doesn’t want to fuck him too soon…of course, fucking me makes him look even more beta, so often she’ll lose attraction for him instead of gain it and there’ve been times where the girl “dates” the other guy for a couple month without actually fucking him and then ditches him because the spark just isn’t there, but it might’ve been if she didn’t have me to fuck on the side lol
That said, this “go find yourself a Provider, just use me for sex” attitude does two things:
1) It keeps me from having to do anything Provider related…I literally just have them drive to my place and show up at my door ready to fuck and then leave after. They don’t expect birthday presents from me or dates or any of that shit, and it even stalls the “be my boyfriend or I can’t do this anymore” Ultimatum because I’m not their only option…I’m actively encouraging them to have other options, so they don’t have to Ultimatum me because I’m not their only chance for a Provider situation (until they fall in love of course, which I can also stall for a while by just not seeing them frequently, but the catch to not seeing them frequently is you’re more likely to lose them so there are a lot of nuances to this balance).
In fact when they come to me with like, bitching about work, I can say “Shhh. I don’t want to hear that shit, find a boyfriend to listen to your complaining lol”
2) It speaks to what women *REALLY* want, but society refuses to admit: They want a Provider beta to take care of them and pay their bills and put their kids thru college and all that shit…but they also want an Alpha to fuck and to get pregnant by and take care of their emotional/sexual needs (emotional in the sense of needing drama or to feel like a dirty slut in the bedroom etc., not emotional in the sense of “my co-worker Jenny is such a bitch!”). Ideally they want both of those in the same guy, but because it’s SO rare (like I say, even if they go doll themselves up for the high-end nightclubs, there’s only about 20% of guys in there who can satisfy this shit and 19% of those guys will fuck it up because they’re Aimless), the optimal strategy for women is having two guys, the same way you might have a really cool girlfriend who’s a good mother to your kids etc., and a mistress on the side for fucking.
So the end result is that I get what I want (casually banging hot chicks), the girls get what they want (a Provider guy to date and marry, and an Alpha guy on the side to fuck them proper), and the Provider guy kind of gets what he wants (a hot girl to take care of and shower with affection and spend all his hard-earned money on and raise a family with)…but he IS getting fucked over, he just doesn’t know it.
The only hitch is if the guy finds out lol Moreso if the chick is successful in getting the Alpha to get her preggers…which is why they then cue the “omg you don’t trust me!! 😦 :(” waterworks if the Provider guy dares to ask for a paternity test before his name is on that birth certificate. And make no mistake, these chicks are TRYING to get their Alpha fuckbuddy to knock them up, especially once they have a Provider on the hook (married)…they try to just stick your dick in raw, hold you inside them when you cum if you were going to do the pull-out, complain about condoms, say their on birth control or that they have a tilted uterus so they’re not able to get pregnant so “don’t worry about it”, etc.
So where’m I going with all this? Well, as bad as it sounds, an optimal strategy for a guy like myself to live comfortably (but seeming like a bum to society) into my old age by making just enough of a living to take care of myself while I bang hot chicks (basically MGTOW but with game skills), and also ensure I successfully reproduce and that my kids are taken care of, is to go along with one of these chicks and let her get knocked up and pass the kid off as her Providers’ and let that rich dude and her raise him.
The only crapshoot is the paternity test, if the guy pushes for it hardcore, I could end up having to take care of the kid…but that’s why women have the waterworks and “don’t you trust me??” and doctors rush the guy to sign the birth certificate right away and society will badger a guy who daring to break up with a pregnant woman instead of “manning up” and taking care of someone else’s spawn, and divorce courts will rape him hard if he tries to leave, etc…this stuff is all designed to allow the girl to get herself preggers by an Alpha and force a Provider to raise the kid.
I’m not saying this is my plan, I’m still too young to really give a shit or take any chances (early 30s)…but if I met a hot chick who seemed like she’d be a decent enough mom and I really wanted to make sure I reproduce and she had a solid Provider on lock-down and I knew he was too Beta to refuse the kid if he found out and he was the same race as me, and I knew she would use every trick in the book to keep him from finding out the kid wasn’t his, and I knew they weren’t in a sexless marriage so it was believable that it could be his, and I knew her hamster would eventually convince even HER that somehow the kid is actually his because good girls don’t cheat and that guy she no longer sees (me) “didn’t count”…well, it wouldn’t be a terrible solution.
The reality of the red pill really is fucked up lol But like the Joker says, “I’m not a monster…I’m just ahead of the curve.” I wish things were different but they’re not, so I’m just adapting to reality.
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Where do introspective guys fall in your breakdown? A lot of professionals are introverts, but still socially acceptable and decent with women. I like to think that I fit that criteria at least. Would your advice to my type be to act more outgoing, buy shots for everyone, work the room, etc…? I guess this is the philosophical question of whether one should play to their strengths, or to try to improve their weakest traits?
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I know you say “introspective” but just a quick note on the closely related topic of “introverts” first:
I find a lot of “introverts” are just guys hiding behind a socially acceptable label and use that label as an excuse to avoid leaving their comfort zone, usually because they’re either scared to let loose more or they simply don’t understand how to. People who meet me now assume I’m an extrovert, but I used to consider myself an introvert before I got into game. What’s closer to reality is that we all have extro/intro sides to us and game is just about learning to embrace and express the extro side in certain environments/situations.
I believe there are VERY few self-identifying “introverts” who CAN’T be more extroverted given the proper tools/guidance and motivation. Like I’ve said before, if you push yourself outside your comfort zone and go out for a year straight, opening 10 sets a night, getting laid here and there, making new friends, etc, and after all that you decide you still prefer to be alone with a good book or whatever, then you’re probably naturally an introvert. If you haven’t pushed those boundaries and you’ve declared yourself an introvert without having tested your extrovert side, you are just hiding behind a label and making excuses for not taking action.
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Anyway, for the introspective-but-not-socially-crippled guys you’re describing, they have to remember that game essentially comes down to expressing yourself and your personality to the girl.
An outgoing party guy can do that in a chaotic nightclub because he’s naturally the center of attention and girls can see his congruent personality from across the room while he causes a scene.
An introspective guy is going to fade into the background in that same environment because while he may be super intellectual and be able to build a deep emotional connection with a girl, he has to first get her attention to be in a position to demonstrate those attributes. That’s why a lot of these guys, if they go out alone, end up pretending they’re James Bond and lean against the bar all night, then go home alone having not talked to anyone…they might BE awesome but they didn’t get a chance to demonstrate that to anyone in that environment.
So what’s the solution for them?
1) Learn to be more outgoing, to loosen up, and to let their extroverted side out in the club. A LOT of guys are only “introverted” in the club because they’re scared to embarrass themselves or let go and are terrified of social judgement and tell themselves “that’s not me” when they’re really just chickenshit.
I know this because I’m actually closer to the introspective guy you describe than I am to the outgoing Jersey Shore Stiffler party machine. And some of my social circles are full of high-energy crazy outgoing party guys who make me invisible beside them. So I’ve just learned to let my outgoing side out in these environments because I love the girls there and I know I need a window of opportunity to demonstrate my other awesome qualities and I won’t get that window if I can’t be outgoing in the club environment.
That doesn’t mean I become a dancing monkey and try to act like my friends, it means that when my friends are causing a scene dancing, I know my game is primarily verbal so I’ll make sure to approach a girl or grab one of the girls we’ve met and say something she can’t ignore and start sucking her into my personality. So when my friends dance, I may approach a set of girls watching them and say “hey quit staring at my friends’ asses, ya fuckin perverts.”, forcing myself onto their radar, then isolate one with “you’re fun, what’s your name?” and turn her away from our friends and start leading her energy down to a lower key and build rapport/comfort and display my verbal awesomeness…thus creating my window in a high-energy club environment without being a full out Stiffler.
Tyler from RSD has a bunch of videos on the steps he forces himself to take when he’s out to get out of his introspective “inside-my-head” mode and into a partying mode. Hit up his stuff on YouTube and try it out for like 6 months and see what gels for you.
So the idea here isn’t that you’re changing yourself, it’s that you’re working toward embracing and enhancing a side of yourself that you may not be used to displaying except when you’re around close friends (like there’s no social judgement worries when you’re with your best friends shouting and laughing over an Xbox game together…if you can do that, guess what, you have an extroverted side, you just don’t know how or are scared to tap into it in public with strangers).
The main idea is that you learn to get her attention so you can then demonstrate all your cool shit that she would never have seen because you were blending into the background.
Or 2) Change your environment to one that’s more conducive to displaying your quiet introspective personality. ie – do Daygame instead of nightclub game. Go to happy hour at a chill lounge instead of a chaotic nightclub full of loud music and energy and distractions and cockblocks etc. Game at the mall and in bookstores and coffee shops and all that.
And/or focus on social circle game, where you’re given an introduction and the girl is forced to be around you long enough to see you express yourself in your introspective way. Like at a club if you’re solo, you’ll blend into the background and go home alone…but if you have a group of 5-10 friends there, and some of them are extroverted and/or female, well hey, now you’re probably going to meet a few new girls a night just thru your friends, and those girls are going to be sitting at your table, or at your pre-drinking gathering, or coming to an after-party, or even just forced to spend a few minutes talking to you while your mutual friend goes to the bathroom.
So in this method, you’re putting yourself in situations that make it easier (or take the responsibility out of your hands entirely) to get that window of opportunity to display your personality.
The 2nd way is a lot easier a route, but it means you’re more limited in that your selection of girls are what the Universe throws at you. If you’re a guy who likes dolled up girls in minidresses, you’re probably not going to find those in the bookstore or be introduced to them by your nerdy Xbox buddy, so route 1 is something to look at exploring, or playing up the social circle angle at clubs with route 2. If you’re a guy who hates that type of girl and is into the quieter girl-next-door types, hitting bookstores etc with route 2 might be better for you.
Essentially you have to know what you want in terms of the type of girls you want, and you have to then figure out “how do I create or end up in a situation where I have an opportunity to display my personality to those types of girls?”
One of the oldschool PUAs had a fetish for Japanese flight attendants. Did he go to normal North American bars hoping to just randomly run into one? No, he specifically flew on Japanese flights and hung out in airport lounges and worked his way into the industry social circles etc to put himself in situations where he’d have opportunities to meet that type of girl and demonstrate his personality.
Hope that helps. Are you honestly getting the kind of girls you truly want? If not, it’s time to start looking at “what do I want and how do I get that window?”
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“what do I want and how do I get that window?” This is THE question.
I’m looking for quality. I will take a 7 with virtue over an 8 or 9 any day. Problem with quality girls 24 and up that share my priorities is that they do not often go out to the clubs and are typically taken.
Your assessment is correct: I’m more often than not left waiting for the universe to bring these girls to me. I meet them through social circles, or internet. I do not know how to proactively get out and find the girls I’m looking for. Day game is very easy to open, very difficult to number close. I can chat up anyone on the street, coffee shop or bookstore, and 9 out of 10 girls will respond positively. But when I then attempt to get their number, they go cold. I think they feel a sense of social betrayal: they were being polite and friendly to a stranger in a public place, and now the guy is trying to turn it into a pickup. Obviously I need to do a better job of escalating the conversation sexually before asking for the number, but in in the moment it really feels sketchy to push the flirting too far.
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Sidewinder. Here is where you could do better with daygame.
1) open direct. Make your intentions clear early. This does not mean whip out your penis, and it def doesn’t mean asking her for the time. Find direct openers that work during the day
2) Start qualifying the girl more. It doesn’t seem like you’re doing that.
3) get the number as an AFTERTHOUGHT to the plans or date you setup with the girl. The number is the means to the end. Not the end in itself. Use the phone for purposes of meeting.
People can argue on what I just said but to me it seems like doing those three will help you out in daygame.
Too many guys open indirect, don’t make their intentions clear, don’t qualify/screen the girl and then at best they get a flakey number without any immediate plans to meet.
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Solid advice from immoralgables right here. Same advice I would give you.
Some elaboration:
1) Going direct. You don’t have to slap them across the face with your dick as a hello, and you don’t even have to go INSTANTLY direct and you don’t have to STAY direct…you just want to make sure that within the first minute she knows you’re into her Man to Woman style instead of Friend to Friend style. So compare these two approaches:
(indirect)
“hey, who do you think lies more men or women?” (lol, going oldschool here)
“women blah blah”
“oh really? because my friend blah blah” (pointless story)
“lol that’s so funny”
“so what are you up to today? (blah blah)”
“blah blah”
“cool…so umm can I have your number?” (surprise, I have a penis!)
“lol wut?” (awkwarrrrrd)
(more direct)
“hey, who do you think lies more men or women?”
“women blah blah”
“oh man, FINALLY someone agrees with me. My friends all gave me shit. I think I’m in love (grab around the shoulder), we’re going to have to get married now.”
“omg lol you’re crazy”
“so what are you up to today? (blah blah)”
“blah blah”
“Okay, I accept your invitation, let’s go!” (assuming attraction etc.)
“omg lolol nooo I have to do blah blah”
“lol okay okay. Give me your # then and we’ll hang out sometime.” (I have a penis! …but you already knew that because I went direct earlier)
Remember, you don’t have to stay across the line, you just have to cross it so she knows you CAN cross it, then you can back off and resume as normal.
2) Qualifying her more. Make her invest. Tyler from RSD explained this my favorite way, something like: “Say you win something in a box of crackerjacks, and it’s some stupid little prize…you’re still going to go claim it, because you invested in it.” The more you make her qualify herself to you, the more she feels like you’re a guy she should be qualifying herself to you, the more high-value you seem.
Would Brad Pitt get the same response you’re getting from those same girls you talked to? No? Then it’s simply a matter of value…with Brad Pitt those girls are dying to qualify themselves to him and get his approval, and he’s probably going to be pretty picky and test them a bit and make them invest in him before he allows them to give him their number.
Qualifying is the stuff like Tyler’s “you and I would never get along” routine and stuff like “can you cook? I need a girlfriend who can cook” etc. It’s a whole art-form in itself really, do some Googling to learn how the structure works in terms of when to qualify them, how to react to their responses, etc.
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22qualifying+her%22+structure
3) This is big. Don’t go for the number until you’ve already talked about plans…this is oldschool Mystery Method, a number is actually a last resort. Ideally you want to go on an insta-date right there, but if you can’t, then you make solid plans (a “time bridge”, see MM for details), and then get the number only because you need it to keep in touch for those plans…VS getting it for no reason (which she’ll assume means trying to get in her pants, and which she’ll assume that in a creepy way if you haven’t build up enough attraction etc.).
One thing to try is to work on going a little more direct and qualifying more and STOP getting phone numbers…wait until SHE asks you for YOUR number. And if she doesn’t, keep working on your game until girls start to. That’s when you know you’re hitting the right switches with girls and they’re going “oh shit I don’t want to risk not seeing this high-value guy again!! I’d better demand he takes my number or offer it to him so I don’t miss out!!”. It means losing some chicks and not getting laid thru this avenue for a bit, but hey, game is a slow process and you’re fucking it up anyway so why not fuck it up on purpose toward a goal? 😉
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22time+bridge%22
“Too many guys open indirect, don’t make their intentions clear, don’t qualify/screen the girl and then at best they get a flakey number without any immediate plans to meet.”
Yep, I know a few people who run this style of game really well, but it’s verrrry slow going for them and they do it because they’re extremely physically unattractive. Remember at the end of the day you just need time to display your attractive qualities to the girl…so a Quasimodo deformed midget looking guy can benefit from going in totally under the radar and working the girl for 6 months to get the lay. But the guys who have to run this style of game are pretty rare. The average Joe should be listening to your advice here. 🙂
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I shuddered in empathy while reading that. That “coldness” that you talk about can be as shocking as it is brutal, and I’ve experienced it so many times that it has noticeably hurt my indirect pickup attempts – so much so that I don’t even want to go indirect anymore. Girls that I have seemingly built great rapport with (all daygame) will visibly shut down, even when I’m segueing into something as innocuous as “Look, I have to get going, but you seem pretty cool; let me get your number.” I can only guess that I am not appearing as laid-back and natural as I believe that I am, and they’re sensing my nervousness; that, or I’m targeting girls too young/ too pretty/ etc. for my current game level. There is definitely an incongruity occurring somewhere, and I can only surmise that its due to not having created enough attraction prior to going for the close, thus the sense of ‘betrayal’ that they feel.
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The fact that he can detect/read that coldness and has narrowed it down to them feeling “socially betrayed”, is good stuff.
There’s nothing wrong with fucking up, that’s fine, as long as you look at “okay where exactly am I going wrong here??” and try to narrow it down and then fix that issue, which immoralgables’ advice will hopefully help with. It’s not something he’ll fix in a weekend, but it’s something that 6 months from now he could be no longer running into this problem that’s been keeping him from getting the types of girls he wants.
“Girls that I have seemingly built great rapport with (all daygame) will visibly shut down, even when I’m segueing into something as innocuous as “Look, I have to get going, but you seem pretty cool; let me get your number.””
Same advice to you as to him…do some more qualifying and push/pull, get her chasing you. Read how cat-string theory works, etc. You’re getting friendly interactions and your comfort/rapport skills are probably solid, but that doesn’t mean they’re ATTRACTIVE interactions with some sexual chemistry to them, so going for the number to hang out is incongruent because “oh, wait, what you have a penis??”
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=roleplaying+mp3
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22qualifying+her%22+innuendo
Fuckin’ love this archive lol One day all my comments will just be me linking to my own previous comments.
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YaReally, you got me sold. I am done being the nice beta, outgoing but clueless. I have no problem going up to people randomly striking up convo. But I am clueless with tactics, strategy, methods. Not scripts, just strategy and tactics. So what do I do? Rather, is there a certain method (MM for example) that you use primarily? I know theory without practice is just a mental form of jerking off, so assume I will practice and get out there. I am done being the nice guy, and want badly to be the guy who doesn’t give a shit. But I need someone to say “ok go read this and get out and do what it says without fear”.
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Watch (building sexual tension, watch from 27:00 to 50:00):
Watch (building sexual tension, watch all of this):
Watch (overall night-game plan from open to close, watch all of this):
If those aren’t enough and you want some reading material for the shitter, get Magic Bullets by Lovesystems, it’s like a streamlined version of Mystery Method that won’t take long to read.
Congrats! You now have all you need to get laid like crazy.
I was going to recommend some deeper shit, but it’ll just give you paralysis-by-analysis and fuck you up. If you can already get into conversations with strangers, you don’t need much work from there…apply the content above and you should start seeing dramatic results once it becomes natural to you. If you run into problems still, post about them and we can try narrowing them down for ya.
The jist if you can already get into casual conversations is:
1) be more sexual in general
2) make her invest/qualify herself to you
3) screen for logistics
4) lead lead lead instead of waiting for her to say “please stick it in me” lol
Good luck, and props for taking control of your life! Remember that all this shit is useless if you aren’t out consciously attempting to apply it every week. It’ll be worth it down the road. 🙂
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Interesting analysis. I used to be an extreme beta, and am now an aimless alpha. Funny thing is, I’m more aimless with moderately cute girls than with total knockouts, but there aren’t too many knockouts where I live.
Also, the knockouts tend to be social butterflies, popping in and out of the bar/club in about 30 minutes before I have time to really get anywhere, or otherwise constantly moving around. Rather annoying, since I absolutely refuse to be a beta puppydog follower.
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My one friend works as a promoter for a club like this. Said to me once, “All the dues buying bottle service are the brokest motherfuckers I know”. Basically took it to mean that to them, bottle service is their “game”
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lol bottle service is for suckers. If you’re in Vegas, ya, get bottle service. Anywhere else, don’t do it. ESPECIALLY if you’re not in a top nightclub in a top name city.
Here there’s anywhere between 5 and 20 bottle services going on a night out…these guys are dropping $1000 for a bottle of Grey Goose and a waitress bringing it to them with a sparkler. This is a blast at first, like “look how important we are, we have a VIP booth, everyone is jealous!!” Until a couple hours in when they realize pussy isn’t lining up at the booth to come beg for their dick and that they still have to go out and actually approach girls to get them in the booth. And on top of that, they’ve been isolated from the crowd in that booth for the last 2 hours, so they’re not in a social groove and haven’t dropped any feelers out there etc.
Meanwhile my buddies and I are causing a scene down with the “peasants” and we’ve chatted up a handful of girls and made some new dude friends and the attention is on us. The girls don’t give a shit if they have to sit on a rickety old wooden stool to talk to us, because we’re fun. The guys in the booth are subscribing to the notion that women are attracted to money and they think that having a booth shows status.
When my friends walk into a club, we’re shaking hands with half the bouncers and the waitresses are coming over to hug us and flirt and the bartenders know our names and preferred drinks and legit like us…not because we drop thousands a night but because we’re fun and social and chat with them and have built some comfort/rapport with them all. We have legit status that girls are attracted to.
The guys in the booth? Everyone knows they dropped $1000 to get that booth. And everyone knows a homeless guy outside could drop $1000 and get that same booth. There’s no status in it. But it cost them $1000 to find that out the hard way.
And the worst part is that usually these guys have big egos, so they can’t ADMIT that they suck with girls and that their money they worked so hard for isn’t the magic pussy pill they thought it would be, and that reality is too scary and harsh and would force them to re-think too much of their life, so they just keep going back getting bottle service every week. It’s sad and unfortunate, in a way.
Paul Janka said it best, he said something like “when I was poor I’d meet girls all the time…at the bus stop, on the subway, at the grocery store, in a shared apartment building, etc…when I started making money, I drove a car and had my own private place and ate at exclusive restaurants and ended up isolating myself with my wealth.”
Now in Vegas (and certain other places), promoters are tasked with the job of bringing girls over to you if you’re dropping a bunch of $ on bottle service…so THAT can be worth it, but even then you should understand that you’re actually starting from a deficit because the fact that you had to buy bottle service to be around hot girls puts you in a beta position in the girls’ mind from the start.
The best guy to be, to the girls, would be the guy who’s friends forced him to get bottle service lol That’s usually the role I play when I’m with guys who want to blow some $…like “ohh ya, I think this is all douchey, but my buddies don’t go out much because they’re married and they wanted to really celebrate this thing so I was like ya fuck it let’s do it I want you guys to have fun. I’m glad I met you though, you seem like a down-to-earth chick…you know this is as gay as I do lol but don’t tell my friends, I want them to have fun and your friend looks like she’s hitting it off with my buddy.” That’s a pretty powerful attitude to go in with in those situs.
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Step up and start chasing money. FAST. A starting point: wallstreetplayboys.com
As a club fiend, but i go for the music, i can definitely relate to your description of the crowd.
Here is the music i’m into if you wonder: http://www.unknowncroatia.com/
Just an example of a festival i might end up in later this year.
And a video of another festival i was at last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IvvARlqMW8
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Wallstreetplayboys.com > scavenging their tramp scraps at night clubs
Nice work, if you can get it. I christen YaReally The Hope of The 99%. A noble cause indeed.
Of course, there are some men > even the WSPs, but they are zero fun to talk about, or even to acknowledge they exist. They jumble up the neat percentages and hurt the head.
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I think it’s fascinating, from a general social psychology perspective, that there’s stuff like this now. Like “brogrammers” (bro programmers going out to party and act all frat-boy despite having a nerdy job).
It’s become very socially acceptable for men to learn a bit of game…maybe not the hardcore shit, but the general “don’t buy girls drinks, fix your clothing style, be social when you’re out with friends, push for the phone number, etc.” stuff. Back when I started in pickup, it was this super underground almost shameful thing. Like the MSM shits on PUAs now, but there’s so much evidence of game working and so many men have tried applying some of it and gotten results that we all know anti-gamers and feminists are retarded and we don’t listen to them…but back like 10 years ago, you might as well admit you worship the devil lol
All in all, the ultimate alpha attitude around other men is to befriend them instead of competing against them. So I welcome the WSPs and the brogammers and the Jersey Shore wannabes…come on out, let’s party and get laid. Just don’t turn it into a competition, because my skillset is sharper than yours and I will make you regret it. 🙂
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I am the 19%, but it is not as bad as YaReally sells it.
You make far too many assumptions in one (not so) little comment.
I still have some semblence of ‘game’ – I don’t think I have any game at all but I have a reputation for being a player somehow – and my skill with women continues to increases with age.
Am I as good as I COULD be? Hell no. I’m game-aware but I don’t spend the meticulousness that you all do on improving your game.
Do I care? Sorta, but not as much as any of you do.
I was blessed with good looks at a young age which allowed me to develop an “education” on women despite being largely introverted and at times antisocial.
You are wrong on a few points on guys like me, but you are EXACTLY right in that we can’t really choose who we end up with.
90% of my bangs have been from girls approaching me. I also can’t remember a 9 that I’ve banged who I actually approached.
At the same time, I don’t buy girls drinks. I tell them to buy me one. Or I steal theirs as they talk to me (a lovely tactic).
But man, I’ve sometimes pulled some of the hottest women on the planet. But, this becomes few and far between.
So you aren’t completely correct on that note, yes I do end up with what people on the Internet consider “average” (in real life it’s understood they’re cute 6s).
But I’ve also BEEN APPROACHED by 8s and 9s. Yeah, I fuck up a lot. I fumble often. But when it works, or I’ve “warmed up” on a few cute girls I have no problem getting them to fall in love with me. Many times before the “warm up” I’ll get caught off guard by a dime approaching me and I completely stumble over myself.
Anyways, I’m not here to pick apart your argument, as I will generalize and say you are fairly accurate in your analysis. The sleazeballs DO get laid. They DO get laid more than most rich guys.
I’ve tried it before. It didn’t work out for me. It ruined my reputation, and my lays only marginally increased. From an Economist’s standpoint, the marginal BENEFIT of acting sleazier was outweighed by the marginal COST of dampened social connections, a weaker network, and isolation at times.
PS: the aimless alphas you deal with don’t seem to be as quick on their feet as they are in the South (cityfolk, not countryfolk).
PPS: don’t think you’re that special that girls are wearing OTHER guy’s purchased stuff for you. Someone on the Chateau once said: “cuckolding is everywhere” – and it actually may have been you who said that YaReally LOL!!!!
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“PS: the aimless alphas you deal with don’t seem to be as quick on their feet as they are in the South (cityfolk, not countryfolk)”
I agree with this and the reason, IMO, is that people in the south tend to be WAY more cliquish then say, out here in LA. Like, night and day different from my viewpoint. A lot of “who’s who” and “this family marries into that family” is the concern of the high quality girls.
When I was younger and first getting into game, I use to cold approach blindly in situations where people were only 2 or 3 people removed from everyone else and, like you, i took a hit to my rep. It’s so rare that a stranger would bust in and everyone would quickly be like “What is this guy doing?” People would pick up on it quick. Even a lot of girls weren’t used to it going down this way. Some would be, but not a lot. Gotta be much more in tune with social circle game in the south.
Here, lol it’s like pressing the reset button after every approach. People are always coming and going and everyone has bigger fish to fry than to talk about a botched attempt at a pickup on so-and-so from two months ago. Not to say it can’t happen every now and then, but aggressiveness and assertiveness are the names of the game out here.
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Ya, this varies from venue to venue within a city too. There are certain venues that I tend to stay away from because they’re super cliquish and it’s annoying to deal with and try to crack via cold approach. I can get in with the groups slowly over time, but I can go to a different venue with girls just as hot or hotter and not have to do all that work lol
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It’s square to care. High five, brah.
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“I am the 19%, but it is not as bad as YaReally sells it.”
True, I really should have thrown in there that for a lot of guys it’s good enough. I mean that 19% is still getting pussy fairly frequently compared to that 80% of incels there. And they still do tap some good poon (it tends to run the gamut from 5s – 10s, but in those high-end environments there tends not to BE a lot of girls in the 5 range, because the hot girls know to bring out their hot friends or the bouncers won’t let them in lol). And they have fun when they’re out, and they’re social and tend to have lots of friends, etc. etc.
Being in that 19% really isn’t that bad…there are just a few points where if you have a certain personality type, it digs at your soul every time you wake up next to a 7 knowing you didn’t have the balls to approach the 9 you REALLY wanted and you only went home with the 7 because she approached you at last call. Like, that doesn’t bother a lot of guys, especially Naturals with a high sex-drive who just care about getting laid consistently in general…but for a lot of us who’ve consciously worked on studying/learning game, we got into it to have choice and getting stuck in that 19% can be a fucking nightmare plateau.
Also for the record, I have buddies in all these categories. I don’t care if a guy is good with girls or not, in terms of whether I’ll be his friends or have fun when I’m out with him. I can just read people and tell which category they’re in and if they seem receptive to a pep talk or some advice, I’ll help ’em out…if they’re happy as a clam doing their thing then hey, good on ’em. I’ll be around if they decide to try to change things down the road.
“I don’t think I have any game at all but I have a reputation for being a player somehow”
“I was blessed with good looks at a young age which allowed me to develop an “education” on women despite being largely introverted and at times antisocial.”
You’re probably just a standard Natural. That’s totally fine. You were in a fortunate position to Naturally learn a lot of skills that guys like myself had to consciously learn. If I had a son, I would hope that he grew up to be a Natural because I would hope that he didn’t HAVE to go this slow-ass meticulous route I had to go lol
“I’m game-aware but I don’t spend the meticulousness that you all do on improving your game. Do I care? Sorta, but not as much as any of you do.”
That’s pretty much what it comes down to. If it doesn’t bother you enough to focus on changing it, that’s awesome, more power to ya and I hope it all works out awesome for you, no sarcasm at all. Even my buddies who are in that lower 80%, some of them are perfectly happy just going out and having fun and occasionally getting a number here and there, or they have other shit in their lives they’re focused on more…and my attitude is the same for them, more power to ya if you’re satisfied.
It’s when a guy stays in that 19% out of fear of getting out of his comfort zone or not knowing HOW to get into that 1%, and he has that longing “sigh…I wish I could’ve talked to that 9 I was checking out……” shit haunting the back of his mind, that’s when it’s like okay dude, time to change some shit up, let’s get this handled for ya.
This kind of circles back into Blackdragon’s post here:
http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men
A lot of that 19% are Naturals and/or also the Pleasure of Sex types. As long as they’re getting laid, they’re happy, they don’t care if she’s an 8 or a 9 or if they pushed themselves or their game…long as they got to stick their dick in something decent looking, fuck it, that’s a good night. I fall into the Thrill of the Hunt category, where I would rather go 6 months without getting laid if it meant landing a 9-10, than get laid every day by 7s.
This is just our own individual internal wiring. We can’t control which type we are, and neither type is better or worse than the other. It’s just that certain types make certain goals more difficult: ie – a PoS guy would have trouble only going for 9s because he’d get frustrated at not getting laid as frequently, and a TotH guy would have trouble going for consistent sex because he would loathe himself waking up beside 7s every day.
But if you’re a PoS guy who’s goal is to get laid as much as possible, you’re fucking set lol. That’s a goal that’s aligned with that mentality. Just like if you’re a TotH guy who’s goal is to get the top shelf pussy or push yourself game-wise into tough situations, you’re set too, because those two are aligned.
“you are EXACTLY right in that we can’t really choose who we end up with. 90% of my bangs have been from girls approaching me. I also can’t remember a 9 that I’ve banged who I actually approached.”
This is the crucial part right here. I think a lot of the PUA community got into pickup because we said “we have NO choice in our lives whatsoever”, so we decided to take control. So when we get into that 19% we’re going “I’ve put a lot of work into this, and I did it to have choice, and even tho I’m getting laid a lot in this 19%, I still don’t have that choice that I got into this for…” Whereas a Natural might get into pickup more because “I love getting laid, but I want to get laid more frequently or more efficiently, or by hotter girls if possible but it’s all good as long as I’m getting my rocks off”.
“At the same time, I don’t buy girls drinks. I tell them to buy me one. Or I steal theirs as they talk to me (a lovely tactic).”
Right, when I wrote “sometimes beta themselves to the girl” as one of the fuckups, I didn’t mean they all do that. I meant more like where you wrote this:
“Many times before the “warm up” I’ll get caught off guard by a dime approaching me and I completely stumble over myself.”
Like, a 19% guy who’s on his game that night will kill it, and he’ll definitely kill it with average girls, but a lot of the time when a legit stunner comes up to him it’ll be out of his comfort zone and catch him off guard and he’ll stumble and treat her “extra special” which, depending on the guy and his history, can often result in beta behaviors. Like the guys who are making it rain buying shots, that’s their MOVE. They don’t HAVE another move, because they’ve done it before and it’s worked and they stick to it. They’re Alpha but they don’t understand that they’re sabotaging themselves with beta tactics.
It’s not all of them, but in this crowd it’s pretty common, because these guys are in this crowd *BECAUSE* they subscribe to the societal notion that “money gets bitches”, so of course they revert to using money, you know? It works on the average girls but the 9s are like “aww, he’s one of THOSE guys :(” and often turn off.
So ya, you’re doing good shit, which means you’re probably in the upper half of that 19%, but a lot of your group isn’t as smart and is fucking themselves over lol
“But man, I’ve sometimes pulled some of the hottest women on the planet. But, this becomes few and far between. So you aren’t completely correct on that note, yes I do end up with what people on the Internet consider “average” (in real life it’s understood they’re cute 6s).”
Right, I describe one of my buddies to friends as “he gets everything from 4s to 10s, I’ve seen him pull some gorgeous women, but he’s just as happy with an average 6 as he is with a 9.” And again, as long as you’re happy with the cute 6s, fuck it, do your thing.
“But I’ve also BEEN APPROACHED by 8s and 9s.”
Even here, the problem is simply that you didn’t get to choose the 8s/9s. Maybe there’s a bunch of 9s in the room and all of them are blondes except one who’s a redhead, and you want the redhead, but the blondes approach you and you feel like you’re too frozen to approach that redhead, so you end up going home with the blonde, and that’s awesome, any guy would be happy as shit to fuck her…but you still think about the redhead the next day. That’s the frustration that the 1% got fed up with and took action to try to fix.
I’m not saying I can go pull any 10 in the club blindfolded like a pickup ninja…*BUT* when I see that 10, I know “I can go open this set, then merge them with that set, then be set up with her group, run group theory to get her interest, isolate her and escalate from there” because I have that conscious skillset. Sure, I’ll still chicken out if I’m not warmed up etc. or stumble and fuck up or get caught off-guard by obstacles…but I know that ultimately I DO have the skillset to approach the girls I want, and even just having that knowledge can be reassuring and help ward off that frustration.
“The sleazeballs DO get laid. They DO get laid more than most rich guys.”
It would blow a lot of guys-who-don’t-go-out’s minds to learn how many of the rich guys in a club are going home alone and haven’t had sex with better than a 6 in months/years (unless she’s paid for or they bribe her with coke or get her shit-faced and half-rape her etc.).
“I’ve tried it before. It didn’t work out for me. It ruined my reputation, and my lays only marginally increased. From an Economist’s standpoint, the marginal BENEFIT of acting sleazier was outweighed by the marginal COST of dampened social connections, a weaker network, and isolation at times.”
Right. This comes down to personality and congruency. It’s good that you experimented with it so that you know “that’s not the route for me to go”. It gels with my personality really well, and the way I look, act, talk, my views on women/relationships, my life in general, etc. are all congruent to this sleazeball vibe. I don’t say “I’m not boyfriend material, we can fuck but don’t fall in love with me.” and then cuddle up to watch DVDs all evening together a month later. And even my social circles know me as a good guy with a sleazeball edge, so they accept it and if they introduce girls to me they know what that girl is in for, whereas in some social circles a good stand-up gentlemanly guy running sleaze game might have his buddies telling the girl “I dunno wtf is into him, you’re a gorgeous girl he shouldn’t treat you like that” etc. My friends just kind of sit back and watch me do my thing and laugh at the outrageous shit I say and get away with.
“PS: the aimless alphas you deal with don’t seem to be as quick on their feet as they are in the South (cityfolk, not countryfolk).”
These guys are fucking terrible. The sad part is that a lot of them know some game, I can always spot that and game is so engrained into the nightlife culture now that most of these guys have watched some Keys to the VIP or read some Mystery Method or have some basic knowledge etc. But it’s such a shallow understanding of game that it actually makes them incongruent…they do 3 things right, followed by 3 things completely wrong, and then lose the girl, because they didn’t immerse themselves. Then on top of it, they overcompensate ego-wise because they’re rich and their buddies are all Jersey Shore wannabes talking themselves up (that alpha male competitiveness that’s big in the 19%) so they can’t admit that they should work on their game a bit, and they just keep fucking up. Next thing you know the girl snubs them and they’re shouting “Whatever, fuck you, you’re ugly ANYWAY!!!” and lol’ing with their “boyz” after, before they all go home alone and he calls up his reliable 6 fuckbuddy that he secretly hates that he has to resort to calling lol
The guys in my current city are kind of like you’d picture in, I don’t know, DC or LA or something, where they’re well-off but they don’t have that hard-nosed Type A intense personality that people in New York or Toronto have. THOSE guys would be a lot tougher to game around…but I find that those NYC/TO type guys tend to be in very specific cities and the vast majority of North America is more like the guys I’m around now.
A lot of the top oldschool PUAs came from Toronto, and when you meet TO people you can tell why PUAs were forced to develop solid skillsets there…they would get chewed up and spit out if they didn’t. But then that same game is usually overkill for like, some smaller city out in the middle of Wisconson lol
“PPS: don’t think you’re that special that girls are wearing OTHER guy’s purchased stuff for you. Someone on the Chateau once said: “cuckolding is everywhere” – and it actually may have been you who said that YaReally LOL!!!!”
lol I just say that for the benefit of the guys who are still working on swallowing the red pill. 🙂 Guys who get laid know that this happens all the time, but for the new guys it can be a mind-fuck of “wait, so when I bought my ex that nice dress she wanted, and I found out later that she was cheating on me, she might’ve worn that dress while fucking him????” that stings at first but is healthy to understand down the road.
Anyway, thanks for chiming in. It’s always good to hear from different personality/game types. I hang with a lot of the 19% crowd and guys like you in general, and usually that 19% crowd has way more variety in their personality types and beliefs and game styles/techniques than the Extreme Beta crowd who are all just exact clones of eachother with no personal identities lol
And for the guys who are currently IN that first 80% of the crowd, sorry to shit on you, but don’t worry, you can claw your way up into the other 20%…all you need to do is study some game and apply it in the field regularly. We’ve all done it. I started out at the bottom of the Extreme Beta crowd.
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Excellent Reply YaReally, you definitely seem to know your stuff and gave me a lot to consider as a young guy still coming up in the world.
“….it digs at your soul every time you wake up next to a 7 knowing you didn’t have the balls to approach the 9 you REALLY wanted and you only went home with the 7 because she approached you at last call. Like, that doesn’t bother a lot of guys, especially Naturals with a high sex-drive who just care about getting laid consistently in general…but for a lot of us who’ve consciously worked on studying/learning game, we got into it to have choice and getting stuck in that 19% can be a fucking nightmare plateau.”
Most of my close friends are also in this camp, all very attractive dudes but when you put any one of them (including myself) in a situation where there ARENT many hot girls in a venue, and that one extremely hot girl there approaches you and you happen to fumble that one, it’s killer! But what makes me a little different is if the second girl who comes along is still attractive it soothes some of the burn.
In fact, just two weekends ago that happened, got approached but I slipped up, and the funniest part about it was the second girl actually tried to PARADE ME AROUND the really hot one. My buddies got a laugh out of that one.
“You’re probably just a standard Natural. That’s totally fine. You were in a fortunate position to Naturally learn a lot of skills that guys like myself had to consciously learn. If I had a son, I would hope that he grew up to be a Natural because I would hope that he didn’t HAVE to go this slow-ass meticulous route I had to go lol”
So my being a natural was different than most other friends, being introverted I would have girls approach me or talk to me even from a young age but I was horrid at picking up IOIs, failed shit tests or would say something over-the-deep-end in terms of assholery. I read Gunwitch method and The Game at a young age (15) but for some reason none of those materials sank in, I ended up just playing the field more with my best friend in a similar boat and we got “good” in a way. It hasn’t been until now that I can go through CH and laugh as I appreciate the truths this place uncovers.
Heres another problem with naturals though – its very easy to get complacent. I have some friends who will literally *never* go out and rely on girls who are reverseONEitised by them for easy lays and at the same time start bitching that they can’t find a hot girl around. Similarly I’ll build up a nice little rotation, then immediately stop putting myself out on the market (I don’t like going ‘out’ anyways), and 6 months later im scratching my head why I only have one girl willing to come over and bring da movies.
19% guys also are almost as moody as women at times, myself included, and that might be why you see their aggressive behavior manifest itself in that way.
“This is the crucial part right here. I think a lot of the PUA community got into pickup because we said “we have NO choice in our lives whatsoever”, so we decided to take control. So when we get into that 19% we’re going “I’ve put a lot of work into this, and I did it to have choice, and even tho I’m getting laid a lot in this 19%, I still don’t have that choice that I got into this for…” [B]********Whereas a Natural might get into pickup more because “I love getting laid, but I want to get laid more frequently or more efficiently, or by hotter girls if possible but it’s all good as long as I’m getting my rocks off”.*******”[/B]
I just had to asterisk the fuck out of that last sentence because its too true.
Its starting to become clear why Roosh’s “Death of the Natural” is true in some ways – a great deal of female attention when you’re young makes you quite *entitled* – you’ve had a 8 fall head over heels for you so why go lower? this also contributes to a downward spiral of laziness where I can definitely see why some alphas in high school crash and burn halfway through college.
“Even here, the problem is simply that you didn’t get to choose the 8s/9s. Maybe there’s a bunch of 9s in the room and all of them are blondes except one who’s a redhead, and you want the redhead, but the blondes approach you and you feel like you’re too frozen to approach that redhead, so you end up going home with the blonde, and that’s awesome, any guy would be happy as shit to fuck her…but you still think about the redhead the next day. That’s the frustration that the 1% got fed up with and took action to try to fix.”
So here’s my main problem. I have some plates currently that are smokes but I very rarely get to date girls who are my “ideal” archetype – similar to the girl I first had a “thing” with in 5th-6th grade – tall, leggy brunette with light eyes. I’ve even had phases where I’ve complained about being with too many blondes and my friends all look at me strange.
Realistically I don’t have much of a choice in partner, I do approach, but results widely vary. Cold approaching I pulled plenty of numbers but faced a high flake rate.
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Excellent breakdown of the “game film” lol. This very well matches my experience in seeing guys in higher end venues here in LA.
A lot of the Aimless alphas (and I’m loathe to include them here) are “producers” (any and many douchebags claim this title…what have you worked on recently? lol), B and C list celebs, up and coming rappers, etc that are all banking on prestige and status to land chicks. I’m not hating on these guys (I could care less about status OR prestige) but as an evaluation of their tactic…I can’t help but see this as weak. I mean, take status and their credit card away and attention from these girls dries up.
Can I blame the girls? Hell no! If I put myself in their shoes I see how exciting the perks of being a socialite could be especially if I’m a young hot chick looking to have fun. But as for the guys, these guys couldn’t create natural attraction from the girls by using THEMSELVES (not the narcissistic image that they want people to believe they are) if their life depended on it.
Another thing on the girls who are in this scene. I hear a lot of guys bitching out here about how the hottest girls only will fuck famous dudes, guys with money, etc and this is so bullshit and hilarious I don’t know where to begin. Yes, indeed they might be, but to take yourself out of the running (ahem…Sidewinder ;)) because you think only “this type of girl will get with this type of guy” just lets me know your’e either a) not approaching or b) when you do you’re trying to front like the kind of guy you think the kind of girl would want to get. She will bang you too without all of that stuff if you own who you are and give her the space to do what she wants around the AA’s to get her kicks while she’s young.
I can promise this: I do lots of daygame here and it’s fucking amazing. Why? Almost NO guys are approaching the hottest chicks as themselves. I recently got with a girl who, by the narcissistic label of society says there’s no chance in hell that I would be able to bed her, told me how brave I was because no guys can just be themselves around her. Like, it was so novel to her that someone would just treat her like a normal person because she has her ass kissed almost 24/7 from guys wanting to impress or act like what they think a girl like that would respond to. And yet, lil ole me, all 5’4″, rolls up to her, tell her she looks nice and just wanted to come say hey (OMG so beta), talk some normal shit, make her laugh at herself from some wise crack I made about her wearing black after she complained about how hot it was that day…all the while I’m smirking, having fun and not caring much about anything because I do this every damn day. Tell her that if she ever wants to take a night off from being one of the cool kids here in Beverly Hills I have a nice little spot off the beaten path that has comfortable chairs, get the number, talk as i get it and text her later.
But i digress. Most guys would rather complain than do anything, even if freedom is staring them right in the face.
In summary: Yareally sir, great writeup as always and if you ever want to get gay together, hit me up on Grindr bro. We’ll keep it low like Mark Foley and pages.
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“I’m not hating on these guys (I could care less about status OR prestige) but as an evaluation of their tactic…I can’t help but see this as weak. I mean, take status and their credit card away and attention from these girls dries up.”
lol ya, I agree. I don’t hate these guys, they’re just using what they think will work as best they can…society says “tell her you’re a Producer” or “buy a round of shots”, so they try it. And now and then it works so they get some positive reinforcement for it, so they stick to it and it becomes their “move”.
Over the years I’ve helped guys learn game and if I run into a guy who has an obvious crutch, like say a guy dances really good and that’s his “move”, I’ll tell him “No more dancing. We’re going to approach girls and you’re not allowed to dance.” Or if a guy always drops that he’s a doctor, thinking that will impress the girl, I’ll tell him “No more doctor shit. You’re a cashier at a convenience store now.” and not let him use that crutch.
Because like you say, even if the guy gets the girl, take away that status the girl was into him for and she’s not really attracted to HIM, as a person. Most of the girls I hook up with or see regularly as fuckbuddies have no idea what I do for a living. Like, at all lol And if I had a Ferrari etc. I would hide it and tell them I ride the bus. They can find that stuff out about me down the road when I want to make them my serious girlfriend.
This is also why these guys don’t really bother me if I have to go toe-to-toe with them, because I know their self-worth is based on external things (their job, their looks, their success with women, etc.), so to make them react to me and qualify themselves, all I have to do is not be impressed by the thing their self-worth is based on, and/or tool it to the girls so that the girls aren’t impressed either…because once you take their crutch away, they flounder and splash around like you took their life jacket away and they don’t know how to swim and self-sabotage from there.
So an example would be a rich guy buying my girls a round of shots. I’d tell my girl “Go, let him buy you a shot it’s cool, I’m not jealous. The drunker you get, the hotter I’ll look and the easier it’ll be for me to get in your pants later. 😉 Now go, or you’re going to hurt his feelings, you guys are the hottest girls that guy will meet all month lol” He doesn’t even have to overhear any of that, but that guy won’t be fucking my girl because now the thing he’s wielding around as his ace in the hole has no worth to her, and I’ve dropped a bunch of other concepts in there (leading/ordering her, showing non-jealousy and non-judgement, cocky/funny, push/pull, implying he’s shit with women, etc.) to seal the deal. She’ll go drink his free drinks, and then come back to me.
Another example would be a guy who’s trying to flash his cash to my girls but trying to tool me by also buying ME a drink…I’ll say right to him “wow, that’s awesome…but don’t think I’m going to put out tonight. I give amazing head, it takes more than one drink to get in my pants.” So I’m taking away the value of his crutch (buying another guy a drink to show dominance/wealth/etc.) by twisting it into him hitting on me. Usually with stuff like that they kind of stammer because wtf do you reply to that and they weren’t expecting it at all, but the girls go “OMG lololol” and look at him waiting to see what his reaction is.
If he decides to play nice and acts friendly from there, then I’ll be cool with him and we can both have some of these girls and wing eachother (this happens a lot of the time, because the guy kind of realizes “o, shit, I wasn’t expecting this guy to be a threat like that, I didn’t realize I walked into the lion’s den, I’m going to back out slowly and hope I don’t get mauled…so their way of going “woah, hey, shit, I’m sorry, don’t eat me” is to genuinely like me and befriend me)…but if he’s still being a dick and trying to tool me with something like “lol you’re a funny guy, girls isn’t this guy funny? What are you drinking, funny-man?” I’ll say something like (this is off the top of my head as I type lol, I improvise a lot of this on the spot just from having a lot of Field Experience) “Too much, quite frankly. You’re a nice dude, buying us all drinks. You must be a billionaire! I was laying in the gutter downstairs drinking a bottle of cheap vodka out of a brown paper bag earlier, you girls might remember passing by me…THIS one kicked me and said “get out of my way, ya bum”, which I think was rather rude. Why are you such a dick to us homeless people? I hate you.” etc.
Again, there I’m taking away the value of his crutch, and then I’m combining that with making the girls emotionally react to me and keeping the attention on me. Also I didn’t answer his question so he’ll have to either ask it again (chasing my attention) or not ask it and just wing getting me a drink which, if he’s still being a dick, I can tool him on getting me the wrong drink etc. etc.
I love this kind of stuff because I think it’s fascinating how much of it is sub-communicated and how subtle all the little value shifts can be, but that girls will pick up on them all. And guys will often be completely oblivious to them. I had a real roughneck type buddy with a short fuse out with me as a wing for a while, and we started going to higher-end venues and he would want to punch EVERY dude there, because the guys would be tooling him in that socially savvy subtle way but my buddy wasn’t familiar enough with that style of AMOGing, but he could sense that the guys (and girls, even) were tooling him…he didn’t understand how, but he understood there was a sub-communication of tooling him going on, and he didn’t have the skillset to “fight back” in that style so he would resort to how he was used to handling disrespect: swinging fists lol I had to tell him “dude, we gotta’ teach you how to play this game ’cause you can’t be throwing punches every night at these places.”
“you think only “this type of girl will get with this type of guy” just lets me know your’e either a) not approaching or b) when you do you’re trying to front like the kind of guy you think the kind of girl would want to get. She will bang you too without all of that stuff if you own who you are and give her the space to do what she wants around the AA’s to get her kicks while she’s young.”
This. Big-time this. That was the other thing I learned when I started going to these venues a lot, is that you want to own being yourself, even if being yourself is objectively less impressive than the 6-packed rich Aimless Alphas. Because a lot of those guys aren’t being themselves, they’re being what they think the girl will be impressed by, and at the end of the day all the shit girls do (shit-testing, push/pull, playing hard to get, causing drama, etc.) is their way of sniffing out “is the guy in front of me who he seems to be?”
A friend once ended up at a super high-end private party (celebrities and rich people and such, private house (well, mansion lol) party). He said it was interesting because everyone there had so much money, status, etc. that it didn’t matter anymore and the guys who got the girls were the guys who were interesting/passionate/etc. about stuff (like artists etc.). Because there’s an equilibrium point where everyone there has so much traditional status (money, looks, fame, etc.) that those things lose their value and what becomes high-status is who has passion or drive or a unique style etc.
And bringing that back to how normal guys in normal venues can apply it: a 6 is probably going to be impressed by money and a 6-pack. Because she doesn’t have that shit and she doesn’t have 20 guys chasing her who have that shit. But an 9+ has 20 guys chasing her who have that shit, guys offering to fly her to Rome for vacation for free, the guys are all jacked up 6-pack juice monkeys in expensive suits, they all have fancy cars, etc. etc. That’s her world. But none of those guys stands out to her, because they’ve all hit equilibrium to her and that stuff doesn’t hold any value anymore. So when a normal average dude comes along, and he doesn’t have any of that stuff BUT he has an incredibly strong sense of self and frame control and Alpha attributes and he has those guys qualifying themselves to him etc., she’ll find him attractive because she’s not looking at the traditional “money and a 6-pack” channels of high-value, she’s looking at these other channels.
This is something that guys who don’t approach super hot chicks won’t understand though lol It’s a mind-fuck at first.
“told me how brave I was because no guys can just be themselves around her. Like, it was so novel to her that someone would just treat her like a normal person because she has her ass kissed almost 24/7 from guys wanting to impress or act like what they think a girl like that would respond to.”
Yep. Like Tyler from RSD says: your sense of entitlement is how hot the girl can be, while you can still act NORMAL around her. lol Again it’s why Field Experience and approaching hot girls is important, so you build that sense of entitlement and can be normal around hot girls.
Of course on the flip-side of what you’re saying, there’s the other guys who over-compensate in the other direction. Instead of kissing her ass they’ll purposely be over the top assholish to her, in a way that’s try-hard and clearly coming from insecurity. And they can tell right away. They’re just looking for normal, the middle of the pendulum swing.
“if you ever want to get gay together, hit me up on Grindr bro.”
I had to delete my account, my Inbox was flooded with messages from Matt and Greg. Also I’m stealing this.
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awesome post!
could you please elaborate on how you create this frame of “we can fuck while you look for a BF” from the start? do you say it flat out like that or hint at it more subtly?
honestly that’s the main sticking point in my game, I have almost no problem getting laid by the girls I want now, but I keep entering a BF/GF dynamic, whereas I just want some fuckbuddies, GFs are boring lol. and once the dynamic (or “frame”?) is established, it’s impossible to change it to casual fucking, even if we haven’t have THE talk before
(hope it’s not too confusing, english is not my first language)
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“could you please elaborate on how you create this frame of “we can fuck while you look for a BF” from the start? do you say it flat out like that or hint at it more subtly?”
You can do it either way. I have a bunch of personal routines I use for it, but they all fall along the lines of stuff like (early on, like the first time I meet her, when I have her laughing and attracted): “I’m not boyfriend material, if you’re looking for a husband you shouldn’t waste your time on me”, (txting after a Saturday night): “Were you out flirting with other guys and breaking hearts? lol I don’t care, I’m not the jealous type”, (during cuddle/comfort-talk): “Relationships are too much drama, I think half the people in relationships are just in them because they’re scared to be alone”, etc. etc.
Just light stuff that gets across that I like my space and I’m not a serious boyfriend and won’t judge her for getting other guys etc. I’ll calibrate to the girl as I go and depending on her personality type I’ll bring out deeper stuff.
Like if she’s a girl who’s looking to settle down: “I’m not the guy for that, I have all sorts of commitment issues…but you’re an awesome chick and you seem like the type of girl who needs a relationship that brings out her best self. You should meet and date other guys, and just txt me when you need some no-strings attached relief now and then.”
Or if she mentions there’s a guy she’s into I’ll give her advice on how to land him lol and say stuff like: “I just want everyone to find what they want in life…whether that’s a long-term thing or just fun in the bedroom, long as you find what you’re looking for that’s cool with me and I’m happy for you, even if it means we aren’t together.”
Then on the flip side there’s the more in-your-face stuff for girls with certain personality types, like saying stuff like “I kind of want to fuck you, but you’re uglier than my girlfriend.” or leaving my GF’s framed picture on my nightstand.
And for the girls who I know are taken right from the start, sometimes I’ll mention having a GF and being in an open relationship (of course the girl is never in one, she’s actually cheating on her man, but she feels comfortable doing it because I’m technically taken too). Or I’ll use the old-school “good, then you’ll have something to do when I’m not around” stuff.
If I have to bring out some AMOG stuff because other guys are competing for her attention, I’ll drop stuff like “No, you should go out with that guy instead. He’ll txt you every day to tell you what he had for lunch, buy you flowers and expensive dinners and kiss you on the cheek on the second date and his hands will shake nervously when he tries to take your bra off, it’ll be cute. I would treat you like shit, you’d be like “God, YaReally, why do we always just spend all day fucking, why can’t you take me out to an expensive restaurant instead of giving me all these mind-blowing orgasms?””
Blah blah blah I have a ton of this shit lol And it’s all true, it’s based on my own beliefs/personality etc. This isn’t stuff like, I drop one line and it’s done (although that CAN happen depending on the girl and what she’s looking for), most of the time it’s multiple shallow conversations or a couple really deep long ones, usually during cuddling before or after sex, or during long deep txt conversations about life, love, and relationships.
I like to get this stuff out of the way ASAP, because then I don’t have to worry about anything blowing up in my face. She knew what she was getting into from the start, no surprises, so I don’t end up with much drama.
Some girls are hesitant but I just use the standard PUA tactic of using her objection before she does, so when I sense she’s not the casual sex type I’ll say stuff like “i might be an asshole, but at least I’m honest lol I’d rather be up-front and let you know I’m not a relationship guy and have you tell me you’re not cool with that and we just be friends, rather than lie and be like “oh baby I love you” just to get in your pants.” Most chicks have had guys do that to them or their friends, so it automatically makes you seem like a Nice Guy despite that objectively most of society would think you were an asshole for wanting casual sex.
This is also why girls don’t hate me. A lot of Natural players lie their ass off to girls, so when it ends the girl hates them and they end up with a lot of drama. Most of the girls I’ve banged, if you asked them about me they’d have nothing but good things to say about me and, if the circumstances were right (ie – we ran into eachother while horny and isolated or she just broke up or whatever, and if I still wanted to fuck her) we would hook up for a casual bang like it was no big deal.
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That’s pure gold, thanks a lot man!
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an easy shortcut to sleaze game is to do/sell drugs. bonus: you’re much more extroverted and your confidence goes up
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LumpyPUA has created a badass archive of all my posts, organized nice & easy to read with the full threads I respond to, with a Search function for easily finding my writing on whatever subject you’re looking for…all sorts of good shit:
http://www.yareallyarchive.com/
It’s beautiful and I’ll be using it as the link you go to when you click my name in my comments from now on, and massive props to Lumpy for putting it together and updating it as I post more comments in the future.
@CH
If you want to link to my archive in your sidebar, go nuts. There’s about 15 jillion pages worth of content there lol It’s the closest thing I’ll ever have to an actual blog, ’cause I don’t want to start an actual blog.
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I am glad someone finally archived Yar’s stuff.
Damn, being an aimless alpha sucked. Yar described it pretty well.
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I read “. . .[the guy who almost gave me herpes and dumped me after a weekend of multiple orifice violating that I wouldn’t dream of allowing my beta dentist fiance to do to me]” and for a second, I thought “Wow. That was shockingly honest.”
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This article is very timely for me because I am having the only bad outbreak of an STD in my life right now (HPV), I’m stoned, had some beer, and have barely made any money in the past month, and yet laying next to my half-century old fat flesh is a hot naked 21yo who I just fucked.
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Hi,
long time reader, and while I don’t agree with some of your stuff, about 95% of it is spot on.
I was curious as to what you thought of THIS
http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/im-overweight-boyfriends-not-big-freaking-deal-134800157.html
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/the-handsome-man-ugly-woman-couple-syndrome/
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But jesus christ did you read that yahoo story? I could not imagine a more nauseatingly beta way of romancing a fat chick.
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It doesn’t lend itself well to analysis. I’d love to see the other women he pulled in his life, if any.
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Obviously an outlier. The exception does not make the rule.
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Freaks of nature they are. Yuck.
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The guy looks gay.
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[…] heartiste.wordpress.com […]
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Interesting to keep in mind:
http://tinypic.com/r/6ibhid/5
Have a bunch of alpha comebacks ready.
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unemplyoed, broke, alcoholic game= Bukowski.
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“you know,” she said, “you were at the
the bar so you didn’t see
but I danced with this guy.
we danced and we danced
close.
but I didn’t go home with him
because he knew I was with you.”
“thanks a bunch,” I
said.
(Love is a Dog from Hell)
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Yareally, you sound like a stand-up guy, and i love reading your shit because it reinforces all my beliefs and keeps me sharp. Great contributions from you consistently. Keep it up.
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I appreciate the help he gives as much as the next guy and he’s written stuff directly to me. But I won’t call any guy who would sleep with someone else’s GF/wife stand-up. Yes, I know that a lot of cuckolds are neglecting their end of the relationship deal. But say, you could drag me outside and point me toward a guy in the gutter and tell me “Look GB, that’s an addict who’s about to spend the welfare check you paid him on H, go rob him” and I wouldn’t. Just because someone is a perfect stranger is no excuse to do something bad to him, and no pu$$y just is worth your dignity.
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Lol my morals/ethics/values are my own and I believe every guy should decide his own for himself. The problem is that most people let society, religion, peer pressure, a fear of not being accepted, the value of another person, etc decide their code of conduct for them and don’t go out and actually test their limits to see what they really think/feel as an individual.
If someone else’s lines are different than mine, that’s fine, I can respect them as long as they’ve decided on those lines for themselves.
Either way tho, whether people approve or not of me as a human being or as a man, the information I report back from the field with is based on the harsh realities of life. Do what you want with the information, I’m just reporting from the front lines. 🙂
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Yeah. And after all of your fine work upthread, you have to append this sour postscript. It will be just as sour at the end of your life too.
I know it’s impossible to live without a metaphysic, but dude: invest 1/100th the effort into learning “the best that has been thought and said” as you do into articulating game and you will build yourself a nice little psychic nest egg when your libido stops lending meaning to your one-dimensional life.
“Pay it forward” and “good karma balance” will not avail you during your hangover years. And “my morals/ethics/values are my own and I believe every guy should decide his own for himself” will become positively suicidal the moment you encounter your first real difficulty. Your bravado in the face of emptiness is the tragedy of game practitioners. Better to simply acknowledge the emptiness than try to pass it off as substance.
For all the brilliance you have in accurately diagnosing the death of manliness from a practical perspective — for all the cataloging force you bring to its multilayered meta-analysis (for your own gain, which is fine) — you are absolute rainmen when it comes to examining the foundation for the good life. One tiny fraction of your practical and observational abilities applied correctly would yield all the wisdom you’d ever need, if only you didn’t hold the very word “correctly” in contempt. As in: I get to say what’s correct for me, my values are my own.
Like others, you will have to suffer into this wisdom — a totally avoidable suffering. But unlike others, you have the experience of gaining wisdom of a different kind. Now all you need is figure out the method that brought you to that particular enlightenment and apply it to different subjects.
As someone on the other side, I too am “just reporting from the front lines.” And my report to you is this: instead of educating yourself in the seminars and the field reports and the books compiled by men who came before you, you are attempting to reinvent game itself. Except this “game” is mortally serious, and you only get one shot to get it right.
Matt
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“will become positively suicidal the moment you encounter your first real difficulty.
Oh I’ve been thru a lot more than you would expect. A lot more than most people. Not just with girls but in life in general. The difference is that I focus on the positive and work thru it instead of letting it keep me down.
“As someone on the other side”
That’s the thing, is I don’t really think you are. And I don’t think anyone but Greg would really want to BE you, and I don’t think many people here would want to be AROUND you. So your advice is like a fat chick giving diet advice. There’s no part of your personality that I would like to emulate or consider successful in any capacity…and I know you don’t care about that, but there you go. I have so little respect for you as a human being in general, that at best I just kind of pity you, being so “above” us all but clearly needing the validation of attention here when you rarely contribute anything that actually helps anyone.
And I don’t think you’re someone who’s been successful in life (though it sounds like you might be well off financially) because I’ve met and befriended a lot of guys who ARE successful in life and have crossed to “the other side” and they are way better men than you in general, in every category. Those guys have told me not to listen to advice from people who aren’t at least as successful as I want to be…it’s good advice.
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…all but clearly needing the validation of attention here when you rarely contribute anything that actually helps anyone.
This is why you fail. You can’t abide by the truth… and you yourself apparently have that like “need for validation of attention” if the amount of posting here is to be the criterion.
Many have praised Matt for his insight here, you know this.
Indeed, it always surprises me somewhat when the selfsame person actually praises both you AND he as the best contributors here at the chateau… which has happened more than once.
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Ah ha. I spy the disconnect.
When I said “someone on the other side,” I was talking about the other side of a thorough, classical, philosophical self-examination with regard to my place in the world. Whereas you, at best, followed your dick into the Skankageddon, from which you are happy to send us a flurry of postcards, each one claiming how much more awesome/happy you are than the last. The meaning of life this is not. But you don’t have the barest frame of reference to get the message, even when I attempt to translate it into the impoverished game language from which you derive your entire capacity for communication.
This indicates nothing other than your social insecurity. I do not approach the questions of life by gauging who wants to hang out with me while exploring them. That’s how one arrives at the faggot sophistry you don’t even realize you depend on. You hide in the din and dinginess of the club where there is no possibility of even accidentally meditating on something for an effective amount of time. It’s called escapism. That you rationalize your unexamined escapism with the fruitiest possible psycho-filler does not mean you have anything close to a reliable or repeatable philosophy.
Without rhetorical experience or training, your only recourse is ad hominem — “to the man” — an amateur attempt to psychoanalyze me into one of your predetermined categories.
Of course I don’t care about that, but here’s the reason why: given the wild inaccuracy of your wild-ass guesses about who I am, what I’m like, and what you imagine it’s like “to be AROUND” me, you are beginning from a false premise. Which phantoms of your own conjuring you would or would not emulate are of no interest, much less concern, to me, or really anyone. This does a number to your sophistic argumentativeness — your entire criticism of what I say depends on promoting a certain image of me which you not only can’t confirm but I have told you is laughably false.
But what would I know about me anyway? That’s where your ramshackle self-examination fails your entire project. That’s how I am on the far side of your crude intellectual gropings. I know precisely who and what I am, and I can defend myself up and down the spectrum from the deep to the superficial. You have no such resource, you admittedly have no idea who you are — that can all wait until after the party lol lol.
No, you imagined my claim to “the other side” was the attempt of an old man to caution the young. But, again, what beyond your silly guessing game do you really know about me? My formation was complete at age 22. The trick is to get your shit together before youth is wasted on the young, not to bounce around by fate and reflect on wisdom gained too late to move your life in a deliberately chosen direction.
Matt
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@Greg
“if the amount of posting here is to be the criterion.”
That’s why I said the criterion was “you rarely contribute anything that actually helps anyone.” Duh lol Matt’s cock in your mouth must’ve made it difficult to see your monitor.
@Matt
“I was talking about the other side of a thorough, classical, philosophical self-examination with regard to my place in the world.”
Ohhh, then ya, I totally agree that you have probably spent a ton of time mentally masturbating. Well done! Next you should try socializing, it’s pretty fun.
“But, again, what beyond your silly guessing game do you really know about me?”
I’ve met more “You”s than you can imagine, because you don’t go out and meet people so you don’t understand how many of you are out there. A consistent thread that all the guys like you have in common is that none of you realize how common you are or that everyone doing self-analysis has the same inner realizations you have except that we don’t treat them like a big deal because we have other shit going on, while you sit and stroke your ego’s cock over them because, well, they’re all you really have.
But please, do continue to tell us how amazing you are lol
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Excellent formulation of “Aimless Alpha” in the context of PUA, YaReally. Very perceptive.
To turn it around, I’d say YaReally is, at least potentially, the “Aimless Alpha” of the Matt King Alpha formulation. You clearly possess the capacity for sharp intellectual insight and action, but fail to implement in areas outside of PUA, because you’re too comfortable, insecure or afraid.
I disagree with you YaReally in that I won’t say “that’s cool if it’s what you’re comfortable with.” I maintain hope that you will extend your firepower into areas of substance beyond PUA theory and practice. Your voluminous postings at CH include intimations of conscience and deeper introspection.
It’s not about making money, I have no doubt you could do that at will.
It’s about becoming a complete man. And MK and co. is right that you need a strong philosophical moral foundation to be that man. Matt hectors not to intimidate, but to challenge. He’s said as much many times. Just another man telling uncomfortable truths most men don’t want to hear.
You’ve demonstrated tremendous potential for personal growth. You’ve conquered PUA, now for the rest of your existence.
Take the other half of the red pill.
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@Georgia Boy: Fair points, all.
But unfortunately, Hypergamy does not care.
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Yeah and besides, YR would never get laid if it weren’t for fking other men’s wives. Cue the accusations, I must be a loser who can’t get laid huh.
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lol those girls are just convenient. I prefer single girls so I don’t have to stress angry dudes coming after me, but even then a lot of the time with the really hot girls, they have a jealous ex or jealous orbiters who want to come after you anyway, so you’re damned if you do damned if you don’t.
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It’s easier in the long run to keep the welfare recipient on H and at arms length. If clarity comes back into his thoughts, he might start wondering: how come I didn’t get any land when they were stealing it off the injuns, and a few nigros thrown in to get an old money empire up and running?
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It’s not called stealing…. it’s called conquest.
History did not begin in the 19th century… you should know this.
The Etruscans called and left you a message: “Aqueducts, my (collective) azzz!”
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Vae victis.
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College-aged people are really good at pairbonding. All the couples I admire in my friends-circle met in college. As well as the really awful relationships that just won’t end. EG, I know a female civic engineer who puts in long hours at work and is married to a couchbound omega male who plays Xbox all day.
There’s cad appeal at work, yes, but formative sexual experiences really follow you around for the rest of your days.
[CH: There’s something to this, however it’s usually the case that the sexually formative years occur during high school, when romance is pre-cynical and pre-carousel.]
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It was my experience that women bonded to the men like baby ducks to their mother.
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Slightly off topic, I wonder if they’ll come out with a game version of this?
Automated ‘coach’ could help with social interactions
http://www.kurzweilai.net/automated-coach-could-help-with-social-interactions
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CH check out this bridezilla story zlozlzlozloop http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/miss-manners-brides-scorn-toward-meek-friend-misplaced/2013/06/05/e7153bb4-ca19-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop
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” Chateau Heartiste unmasking of the ugly side of female sexual nature has gone viral.”
The abyss that is the female, non-human edition: the lioness goes into heat when an interloper lion kills her cubs.
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YaReally smashes it again. Fantastic stuff, man.
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100% agree
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I just scanned through a few of the “problems” submitted to Slate’s agony aunt. I’m pretty sure most of them are just fake. Either trolling the publisher, or trolling the audience, not sure which.
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On an emotional level; all women are the same, which is 1 of the key takeaways that I gather from this post.
Nice stuff!
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There comes a time when women need to wisen up to these things such as the original poster. She’s really stuck in the matrix
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As the Chateau has written before, the rules of “what makes an alpha male” are not clear-cut. So, in a previous post, the Chateau identified Corey Worthington as alpha because of (1) his attitude and (2) the crazy shit he got up to, such as having a party at his family home in Melbourne and attracting everyone from south of the equator after which 97 units of the police had to come. When interviewed by Leila McKinnon, a condescending priss of a newsreader, Worthington stood his ground and refused to remove his douchebag sunglasses. Cue a lifetime of poon for the kid …
The Chateau judges alpha-dom on (1) attitude and (2) being able to bang hot attractive young adults who cue up to suck your cock. This trumps being (1) rich (think paper alpha) or (2) good looking. A personal favourite of mine from the Chateau archives is “Beta of the Month 2009” in which we get to see the revulsion arising from both such phenomena …
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/april-2009-beta-of-the-month/
On the other hand, and far darker, remember the type of man who attracts women in prison. Mick Philpott is currently serving 15 years inside in England for burning down his own house and, as a result, killing six of his children. (This was never attempted murder – Philpott did this in order to frame his partner who had just left him . Philpott intended to rescue the children from the house and be the hero. Alas, it didn’t turn out that way …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott
Bear in mind that, even after this moron killed six of her children … his wife DID NOT LEAVE HIM. Think of Fred West who murdered his oldest daughter after he impregnated her, and then buried her under the patio, to the knowledge of his wife, Rosemary.
Philpott sponged off the state and maintained an open harem with two women living side by side. In total he fathered seventeen children (so the death of the six didn’t even reduce him to single figures). He had become a minor celebrity, certainly after this appearance on Jeremy Kyle The High Priest of Cuntishness …
So Philpott is in prison for fifteen years. But get this – he is being written to in prison from women who think they can reform him. Have we heard this before … ?
(And the media have been taking down articles about this: Britain has its cathedral too, you know. I cannot find a single link to this although, up to a fortnight ago, there was articles online about women writing in to Mick Philpott in prison. Bring the flames … )
For the avoidance of doubt: I do not consider Mick Philpott to be a hero. I believe he is a stupid, lazy, violent bully. However, as the Chateau continually emphasises, alpha is not easy, alpha is not simple. Philpott openly kept a harem with a massive litter of kids and was cunning enough to exploit the British welfare state to maintain his lifestyle. He apologised to nobody and did not give a fuck. He is the antithesis of a niceguy. He is a man who will make the ginas tingle – simple as that.
(But don’t leave petrol and matches near him … )
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What would your advice be to a guy who has herpes [me]? When should I tell her, if ever? I’ve tried it several different ways but I’m interested in your approach. It seems like it could be spun into a DHV somehow.
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