A reader asks,
Dear Heartiste
I wonder if you could do a post specifically on some super powerful shit tests that women use and how you’d handle them.
That could be very enlightening.
Super powerful shit tests that a man will commonly encounter in his dealings with women? Why, yes, I believe we can do that. Herewith is a short list of what I call “Super Shit Tests” that women from all walks of life use with predictable regularity, and what I’ve found to be superb replies for handling them. Are you amazed that women — unique special snowflakes every one of them — would reflexively resort to ancient hindbrain algorithms linguistically fitted to cultural constraints as a method of filtering alpha males from beta males? Don’t be! It’s no more amazing than that men — unique special snowflakes every one of them — would reflexively ogle the same young cuties with large pert breasts and firm buttocks.
“[Man X] always gets his girlfriend [Y]. When was the last time you got me [Y]?”
Don’t get caught in a game of beta-upmanship. Appeasement never works, especially on women, who are the equivalent of the Third Reich in their response to Neville Chamberlain game. Instead, reframe to the point of absurdity.
“I got you some gold bullion for your birthday coming up. You can sit on it and luxuriate like a princess!”
“Are you a player?”
Any man who is halfway charming with women will hear this super shit test at least a few times in his life. There are a multitude of effective replies to this particular SST. Here is one of them:
“Player? Hell no. I’m a PIMP! Hold on, one of my ten thousand concubines is calling me.”
“Give me your number instead.”
Watch out, this is a beta male trap. Most betas would be relieved that any number exchange is taking place. You, aspiring alpha, know better.
“Sorry, I don’t give out my number.” Then ignore, and request her number again later.
“I don’t give out my number.”
The script is the inverse of the above. You’ve asked for her number, and she refused. A girl who says this isn’t sufficiently attracted yet. You need more time flirting with her. A good segue would be:
“I guess we’ll have to rendezvous, the old-fashioned way, like Parisian lovers on the run.”
“I have a boyfriend.”
Probably the most common, and most destructive of beta male hopes, super shit test that women lean on. You can never know with certainty if the boyfriend excuse is sincere or expedient, but you can neutralize it regardless of its veracity. For example, here’s one thermonuclear reply.
“You never listen to me.”
“What?” This reply never fails to elicit a grudging smile. But don’t overuse it. After the third time, say “Look, don’t make impossible demands on me that no normal person could fulfill. You want to be with a man, or with a voice recorder?”
“Do I know you?”
Sharp-mouthed sarcastocunts will occasionally drop SST bombs like this one. The best replies are arrogant and cocky, since that’s the type of man these kinds of girls love the most. Ex:
“You will.”
“How may girls have you been with?”
Any reply but a straight one will do here. Reductio ad absurdum is a logical fallacy, but it’s also a winning seduction tactic. Ex:
“Counting Alaska?”
“What are you looking for?”
When things start to heat up, a woman will often pop this dreaded, baiting question. Good reply:
“A delicious ham sandwich.”
“Stop staring at me.”
Really bitchy SSTs can be answered with shiv twists. Ex:
“Don’t flatter yourself.”
“That [X] you’re wearing is ridiculous!”
The key here is to prove that her judgmentalism hasn’t flustered you. Ex:
“Thank you. My mom bought it for me.”
“You’re not my type.”
“Neither are you. See that? We have so much in common!”
“Come hang out with me and my friends.”
She’s testing your skillfulness at evading the friendzone. Worst thing you can do is agree. Better, assume the sale:
“Good. Your friends will make sure you don’t try to grope me. I need to be wined and dined first.”
“Does this work on other girls?”
“Only the cute ones.” (Not a CH original, but probably the best reply to this particular SST that you can use. Remember, gina tingles are born when a woman is in the defensive crouch.)
“When are you gonna settle down?”
“Why? You auditioning for the part?” Assume the sale, part 2.
“If you impress me, you might get a shot at this!” [wiggles hips]
Girls who are a little above average in attractiveness and on the wrong side of 25 often use SSTs like this one to self-administer their shaky egos. She is forcing you into her frame where she’s the chased, and you’re the chaser. Solution? Flip the script.
“Does this work on other guys?”
“What are you doing??”
Sometimes you’ll get this SST from a girl when you’ve gone in for the kiss before she’s ready for it. Or, more precisely, before she’s ready to concede her attraction for you. A reply I like, said with a straight face:
“Crocheting.”
“You’re not the jealous type, are you?”
Attention whores love this SST, and will often deploy it right after you’ve eyed them flirting with another man, (or group of men). One of my favorite replies is to insinuate that the girl wants me to be jealous so she can feel desired.
“For a price, I can be.”
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That’s enough for now. The Compendium of Female Super Shit Tests is a running series, so there will be future posts with more added. Know that shit tests are typically expressions of interest, but that occasionally they can be revealed indicators of disinterest. And also know that it doesn’t really matter which expression is operative; your strategy is to leapfrog over them so that interest is intensified, or disinterest is reconsidered.

Here’s how I handled the marriage issue with my pregnant girl (all through text):
me: marriage is foolish for men these days
her: why would you say that?
me: the laws are very anti male, a man can lose everything in a divorce and can’t do a thing about it
me: there is no incentive
her: I agree with the first thing you said, not the second
me: you can have a perfectly stable relationship without involving the State in a phony declaration of matrimony
her: you’re just looking at it from a bad point of view
me: nah, ive witnessed it right before my eyes
her: my parents had a clean divorce they didn’t fight over stuff they just went their separate ways
me: they could have done that without marriage
her: its just the most romantic gesture for a man to want to make the woman he loves his wife. the state doesn’t come to mind for me
me: whether it comes to mind or not, its still there and it can and does ruin lives
me: romantic gestures are greater than that to me, marriage is just a contract
her: its not
her: you need to watch some romantic movies lol
me: lol trying to get me married now
me: im not against the romantic part, but I wont put myself in that position, I just cant
her: im too young for that now but one day I want to be a wife
me: being with me in any capacity is better than marriage to some schlub 😉
me: its your life though
her: I guess you’re kinda right
me: of course im right
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“Are you a player?”
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“Give me your number instead.”
ok twelve inches. lzozoozozo
“I don’t give out my number.”
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“I have a boyfriend.”
i don’t mind sharin’ if he don’t mind goin’ second zllzzozo
You never listen to me.
i do sometimes, but it hard 2 undestrtatnd u wit my ballsz r in ur mouth. lzozo
“Do I know you?”
i’m sure u’d recognize my lsostas cockasz from da giantcockas.com siet you watch every night. lzozozozo
“How may girls have you been with?”
only two–in da last day or so lzozolzozozolzoz
“What are you looking for?”
love in all da wrong placesz, and now i have herpies on my eyebrows lzlzlzozl
“Stop staring at me.”
i’m not, i’m staring at the skinny girl trying to escape zzlzozzlzo
“That [X] you’re wearing is ridiculous!”
Thank you. Your mom bought it for me. lzozoozozozozoz
“You’re not my type.”
many ginasz have said dat to my lsotass cockasz lzozozlozoz
“Come hang out with me and my friends.”
i’ll hang it out 4u 4 free, but each friend costs extraz zllzlzoz
“Does this work on other girls?”
only da hot ones lzozlzoz
“When are you gonna settle down?”
i fallzasleep a minutez after splooginz
“If you impress me, you might get a shot at this!” [wiggles hips]
like hitting the side of a barn with a handfull of rocks
“What are you doing??”
u 2nite lzlzozoozzlo
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These replies are workable.
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+1
“love in all da wrong placesz, and now i have herpies on my eyebrows lzlzlzozl”
I lost it on this one.
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“Stop staring at me.”
i’m not, i’m staring at the skinny girl trying to escape zzlzozzlzo
That’s pure hamster kryptonite.
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There is so much good in that one line. I would give anything to see the look on a chick’s face upon hearing it. Might have to try this weekend.
Also, hard to explain laughing uncontrollably when reading this. Pure. Gold.
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Damn bro, these are some seriously good responses
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lozozozoz
SOME MORE GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ!!!!
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Wonky-eyed broad recommends books that she hasn’t read yet. Jesus… some people shouldn’t be allowed to upload to the internet.
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Or buy books.
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THIS is gold. The original aren’t bad but THESE are DOPE!
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“Does this work on other girls?”
only da hot ones lzozlzoz
i plan on using this. Hopefully my shit eating grin saves me from a slap.
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hey heratrsteitesz!!!!
at 6:10 she talkz about how it is important to get BETA ORBITERESZ lzolzozozozozo:
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Total IQ in vid: 290
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You need to marry her if its your kid. If you were my son, I’d kick your ass daily until you did. Kids change the equation and unless you want to be a nigger, get married.
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Wrong. I agree that we need to cohabitate, but there is no sense in getting married and you know it. My father, as a divorce survivor, agrees with me. Thanks for your input.
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In this day and age, the legalism of gubmint-sanctioned “marriage” is utterly and completely meaningless [and it many cases, it’s even worse than meaningless – it’s positively deleterious].
What matters is commitment.
And most especially, making certain to always have physical custody of the children.
Especially if [and/or when] the woman goes nuts on you.
As long as the kids are living with you, under your roof, then all is well.
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Well that’s a highly convincing argument: “Marry her, for if you don’t, in a hypothetical situation I would beat your ass.” Important thing is to be there.
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I wasn’t making an argument, I was making a statement. He can do what he wants but don’t complain about the breakdown of society on the one hand and contribute to it on the other. I also disagree that cohabitation is the same as marriage. I’ve done both. There is a huge qualitative difference.
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Yeah well I might have been a bit cunty on that one. Don’t know about cryo though, he sounds like one of the good guys. Marriage doesn’t turn bad fathers into good fathers. If we really want to help our brothers, we must find a way to be better fathers and not play into that old paradigm. What good does marriage do the children?
Of course, being an orphan with a terrible childhood I have nothing to contribute.
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I do too. He also has good game and good hand in his relationship, which is why I think he could make a go of a marriage. I’m not all that hung up on the marriage business as much as being a father to one’s kids. However, it provides an additional layer of security to the child and it remains an excellent wealth building vehicle.
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Go easy on black people—their marriage and legitimacy rates were once higher than those of whites. The black social fabric in America has been shredded by progressives (some trying to do good, some reveling at driving the wrong kind of white people out of the cities). Gore the matador, not the cape.
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You are loosing her or have lost her already. Within few years she will hate your guts and your bastard will hate you too and only use for your money.
To CH: Its not only the pill which is the problem its also the men and this cryo is a perfect example – stupid enough to make a child but “not ready to take the responcibility…. at 29!!! Speaking of manboobs.
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Nah, if I was losing her I’d admit it. Girl worships me, but then again most of them do. Its like once they meet me they’re ruined for all other men forever lol.
I’m not willing to take responsibility? BS, I’ll be raising and supporting the child. Marriage has already crumbled and died as an institution. The only way to change that is for men to drop out, not to continue feeding the machine.
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> “her: its just the most romantic gesture for a man to want to make the woman he loves his wife.”
Cryo – here I would have said, “No, the most romantic gesture is to make her THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN.”
Not only does it re-frame to put you back in charge of the conversation, but it also doubles as being the God’s-Honest-Truth.
If, at only 20, she is still so naïve as to be unaware of the phenomenon of childless marriages [or childless relationships in general], then hit her with:
1) Mark Mezvinsky x Chelsea Clinton = 0 children
2) Brad Pitt x Jennifer Aniston = 0 children
3) Tom Cruise x Mimi Rodgers = 0 children
4) Tom Cruise x Nicole Kidman = 0 children
5) Keith Van Horne x Eleanor Mondale = 0 children
6) Greg Malban x Eleanor Mondale = 0 children
7) Chan Poling x Eleanor Mondale = 0 children
8) Bill Clinton x Eleanor Mondale = 0 children
9) Bill Clinton x Monica Lewinsky = 0 children
10) Bill Clinton x Belinda Stronach = 0 children
Etc etc etc etc – this list could be literally THOUSANDS of entries long, and you’d barely even have scratched the surface of modern elitist nihilism.
PS: Here’s something you could save for the really dark times – when you’re at rock bottom, and you need to get super romantic – start talking with her about the Tree of Life.
Something along the lines of, “Brad Pitt was married to Jennifer Aniston for five years, and had no children with her at all, but instead he chose to enter into the Tree of Life with Angelina Jolie, whom he’s never even married. Now tell me, which is the greater Love?”
PPS: Chelsea Clinton was in the news recently for lamenting the fact that one of her ancestresses didn’t have access to Planned Parenthood:
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/06/21/chelsea-clinton-is-sad-her-great-grandmother-didnt-have-planned-parenthood/
It doesn’t take a genius to predict that it won’t be long before the entire Clinton/Rodham line has disappeared entirely from the Tree of Life.
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Cryo – here I would have said, “No, the most romantic gesture is to make her THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN.”
Damn, that would’ve been a good response. What a missed opportunity.
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And if it gets really nasty, like if you’re in a knock-down drag-out screaming fight with one another, and she starts hitting on the “If you really loved me” angle, at the top of her lungs, then you can cut her off with, “God damn it, you’re the mother of my children! How the hell much more can a man possibly love a woman? Jesus H Christ, what is wrong with you?!?”
On the other hand, the two of you definitely need to be living under the same roof [or living in some sort of equivalent conditions, where maybe she and the baby are staying in the guest house out back].
But she is carrying your child, and the child must never be out of your sight [unless you’re at work, or travelling on bidness].
At this point, if you want to keep playing the Alpha philanderer, then you need to start selling her on the idea of sister wives.
I’m telling you, if the betas won’t man up, and start putting buns in bitches’ ovens, then the Alphas will have to resort to practicing polygamy.
BTW, speaking of polygamy, in case anyone didn’t notice it, the institution of gubmint-sanctioned marriage just received a stake-in-the-heart from the Supreme Legalists today.
Our society [or what had been our society] is headed straight to hell.
We’re staring at a face-off with barbarism and the death of any possible civilization.
Either we get more white babies, or all hope is lost.
PS: Glenn Beck was right about the disaster which was the Prop 8 ruling – the Supreme Legalists declared that citizens have no right to defend their own constitutions in the court system – only the Gubmints have the right to legal recourse on constitutional matters.
Death. Of. Civilization.
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Good post. I never argue with my wife, however. On the rare occassions she tries to criticize me or complain, I simply get up and walk away and tell her to talk to me when she can discuss the matter rationally. Arguing with a woman brings you down to her level.
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“her: its just the most romantic gesture for a man to want to make the woman he loves his wife.”
She is certainly correct here. But that’s the point.
After all, what is romance? Romance is, by definition, a man subjugating himself to a woman. The argument against marriage for men can be extended to romance in general. What’s in it for the man? Nothing. Romance benefits a woman at the expense of a man. Alternatively, it is a man showing a woman that he is willing to enter a life of servitude towards her, for her benefit and at his expense.
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What are you looking for?
I’ve been trying to score a cronut, but they only make ’em at this one shop in NY, and the dude has a patent on the technique.
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Along the ‘are you a player’ sort of shit tests, I once got this one:
“How may girlfriends have you cheated on?”
I responded with “What, you mean in a day or overall?” She then slapped me on the arm.
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My favorite reply to “I have a boyfriend” is always “I have an uncle with 5 cats.” Usually they laugh or get flustered, and I just continue ‘okay, your turn….this is a fun game. What else do you have? Do you have cats? Please don’t have cats, cause I’m more of a dog person…..blah blah blah blah.”
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What about “Wait, what is THIS” or “Who ARE you?” usually dropped when you open and transition strong and the girls rapidly get into state. For the first one, I tend to go with “a conversation, do you have them often?” But for the second one, I’m not really sure what an ideal response would be — “you’ll find out soon enough?”
Ya, I kno it doesn’t matter -what- you say….but it’s easier to have confident, cool delivery when you already know the score. Confidence flowing from competence, blah blah.
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Uh, what about “My [parental figure] would love you/you would get along so well with my dad/etc.” Wtf is this? I’d dismiss it as just a compliment or a weird diss save the fact that it’s happened a few times.
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“Stop staring at me” is a lot like “why do you keep looking at me”
I’ve always just gone with “oh….well you have an interesting face. I’m not sure if I like it yet.” I don’t know how effective it is, but it did blast open a set last night. Will field test moar. I’ve said similar things before about earrings/accessories…but never about someone’s face. It works pretty well overall when I say it about accessories.
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“…“I have a boyfriend” is always “I have an uncle with 5 cats.” Usually they laugh or get flustered, and I just continue ‘okay, your turn….this is a fun game. What else do you have?…”
That sounds like a good one. I may steal it if the opportunity comes up.
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“I’ve said similar things before about earrings/accessories…but never about someone’s face. It works pretty well overall when I say it about accessories.”
Careful with this. To paraphrase David DeAngelo: She can’t choose her face, but she can choose better accessories. Compare how Old Scray would’ve reacted to “you’re too short” VS “that’s a terrible shirt”…one would be like “well fuck you then!” and the other would be like “I have better shirts at home I swear!!” lol
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ya I mean, in that one set where it opened them I did preface it with “okay now, don’t get offended or take this the wrong way…are you sure you want to know why?”
I def want to do it more though….hopefully no one throws a drink on me. But if they do….welp, 🙂
Maybe: “okay now, don’t get offended or take this the wrong way….you sure you want to know? Okay….so I think your face is interesting….like, I’m not really sure if I’m attracted to it. It’s attractive, but I’m not really sure if I’m attracted. Which is interesting, that’s never really happened before lol”
I will try it like this the next time I run into that shit test.
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“hopefully no one throws a drink on me”
Open your mouth as they do and bam, free drink!
Routine is a decent start, the preface helps remove the insulting part of it AND builds intrigue, so that’s good.
But what/how will you transition and to what, to head towards a lay? ie – you’re not giving her much to work with so her response will probably be “umm okayyyy…? Is that a good thing or…?” She’s not going to be like “omg an interesting face?? Please let me suck your dick!!”
Listen to Tyler explaining the 90/10 rule in his old RSD 2 hour seminar audio (google it, easy to find, I’m on my phonr lol) where he coaches the guy through the 90/10 rule and has him go from “you have beautiful skin….(“thanks! ….thankyouuuu….??”)” expecting her to contribute, and coaches him into transitioning into a story about ancient amazon women using blah on their skin to blah, where now he’s offering value and become interesting and from THERE she might go 50/50.
Basically where can you take this “you have an interesting face” that will progress the interaction toward a lay? Why is it interesting? What does it remind you of? How can you lead toward something sexual with it?
So I might say something like “ya, it’s your chipmunk cheeks, they reminds me of this girl back in high school that I used to have a huge crush on. She broke my heart, so I don’t think this relationship is going to work out. The wounds are too fresh, it’s not you, it’s me. We should keep our relationship to shallow meaningless sex so I don’t get hurt again.”
Or “ya it’s the way you bite your lip…I have a feeling you’re not as innocent as people think you are. 😉 (to her friends) Girls, she’s actually the bad girl of the group, isn’t she.”
etc etc. basically I’m taking your bit and then using it to transition to sexual talk and future projection and role playing and cold-reading etc. vs “you have an interesting face.” “Is that good?” “I dunno I haven’t decided yet…” “…okayyy…? Thanks…?” “…” “…” “So umm what’s your name?”zzzzzzzzz…
Always be leading toward your goal. Right from the start.
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‘She’s not going to be like “omg an interesting face?? Please let me suck your dick!!”’
Man don’t rain on my parade, c’mon. there’s at least a non-zero probability of that happening.
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Ya I see what you’re saying. It’s just a matter of internalizing all these concepts in the field. I’m in no hurry, rly. It’ll take a bit to consistently be able to generate ‘tight intriguing shit test answer —> tight story” like a natural.
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I think when are you going to settle down is a real question, not a st.
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Yes, but I’m not sure girls who sincerely want to settle down and guys who take CH’s advice are populations with much overlap.
[CH: They are. Or do you think women in relationships are magically somehow a different species than single women?]
Most of these sound like they come from young women who are playing the field.
[Shit tests decline with age, for reasons that regular readers won’t need explained.]
Sincere marriage-minded women should be doing the opposite of dropping super STs – that is, proving their loyalty and worth, not their bitchiness and sarcasm.
[All women love to flirt. All women love drama, to greater or lesser degree. The only difference between the woman who loves to shit test and the woman who doesn’t shit test is usually five points on the looks scale, or fifteen years of age.]
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— I’ve asked a guy or two if they are a player. I recall asking one guy who responded seeming hurt/offended and really bothered by the question. I still believe he may have been a player, though I think his response was genuine. I found his response attractive because it was striking that he would be so bothered by the question.
[CH: This can work if he has already established higher value than you. In such a scenario, vulnerability game goes a long way to manipulating women’s loinstrings.]
The thing about answering that question with a clever evasive response is that it proves that you are a player.
[Not necessarily. If he does it in a mocking way it could be perceived as making fun of the girl for even suggesting such a preposterous premise.]
And that’s fine, but that then defines you as a potential short term partner, so you then have to prove yourself as desirable as a short term partner.
[No man is seen as a potential long term partner until he is first seen as a potential short term partner.]
Like to me, if I ask some question assessing attainability and the response is evasive, the next question I ask might as well be “are you super fun to nail?”.
[You are not representative of most women. Accept this about yourself.]
And your answer better prove that you are or else, why am I still talking to you?
[As soon as a man starts thinking he has to “prove himself” to a woman, the game is lost.]
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Every time I’ve established myself as a player in a young girl’s eyes, it makes her double down on trying to get me into a long term committed relationship.
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[CH: This can work if he has already established higher value than you. In such a scenario, vulnerability game goes a long way to manipulating women’s loinstrings.]
I agree. I mean, I only ask questions like “are you a player” if the guy seems like he could be one, meaning that he seems like he can successfully attract a lot of women and dump them because he feels confident he’ll get another one soon enough.
[Not necessarily. If he does it in a mocking way it could be perceived as making fun of the girl for even suggesting such a preposterous premise.]
Well, the response in your example was technically reassuring because it did make the question seem preposterous (like no, my interest in your is special, don’t worry!). Personally, an evasion is an evasion to me. I do not see them as reassuring.
[No man is seen as a potential long term partner until he is first seen as a potential short term partner.]
Yeah, but aren’t some women just looking for flings? Or do they not exist and secretly they all wish they had commitment even from guys they know they are not going to get it from?
[You are not representative of most women. Accept this about yourself.]
Where there’s one, there’s another. Maybe one day I will find the ‘nother.
[As soon as a man starts thinking he has to “prove himself” to a woman, the game is lost.]
K, I will proceed as though this entire blog is about something other than that.
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> “Like to me, if I ask some question assessing attainability and the response is evasive, the next question I ask might as well be “are you super fun to nail?”.”
FX, if you said that to me, then in my most faux-condescending tone of voice, I’d look you square in the eye, and say, “Little girl, let me teach you a thing or two about the Birds and the Bees – it’s the carpenter’s job to do the nailing, and the board’s job to lie back and enjoy it.”
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Zombs, im still not preggers.
Just thought id let u know.
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Have you left contact information anywhere on the innert00bz?
There’s still the chance that you could be nothing more than the figment of the imagination of a 350-lb manboob sitting in his mother’s basement.
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Yes, but I’m not sure girls who sincerely want to settle down and guys who take CH’s advice are populations with much overlap.<<<
As if today's femiNAZI is motivated to do what is right.
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There’s no difference to the female mind.
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It’s easy to understand why you call yourself “sad clown”.
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“I have a boyfriend.”
lol so does my gf
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lol that’s a good one too.
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I got this the other day from a girl I’ve been dating just over a month now…
Her: How many girls are you seeing now?
Me: Including you?
And I saw this one written on an E card once, but it’s still effective, in that she’ll laugh and then call you a son of a bitch after.
Her: You never listen to what I say. You only hear what you wanna hear…
Me: Sure, I’d love a beer.
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Yeah ive been seeing this 19 yr. Bangin it out once a week for a total of three weeks thus far. Im anticipating the “are you seeing other girls” line soon…shes hitting me up from bed saying shes thinking bout me an shit. Uhhh.oh lol. Did the “including you” line neutralize it.pretty good? Wonder how to play.it if.she.persists…
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Don’t do it through text, otherwise she’ll expect a reassuring follow-up. I texted her she was my favorite of the four girls I was seeing. Obviously, she was not pleased.
However, if you say it in person, you can say whatever you want, and so long as you kiss her and physically show her you’re into her, you’re good to go.
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I think some of these stem from really wanting to assess someone’s attainability and long term potential. Some of these are nothing but sts (things designed to probe confidence levels). Things like ‘are you a player’ are real concerns, right?
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So you have a “real concern” that a guy might be a player and you think “hey! I’ve got an idea – I’ll ask him if he’s a player – that’ll clear up this mystery”
Really?
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how about a mechanic “Yes, dear” on “you never talk to me”
I regularly use that one when on my GF when I actually dont want to listen to her
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Sometimes you don’t even have to make sense. I was at a party a few years ago and this whore was prancing around with some guy that had the same name as me. When she asked my name, I told her, and she says: “I think this (dude’s name) is better than you!”
I was pretty drunk, and just vomited the first thing that came to mind.
“Well, I hope you’re right, for your sake.” Which I don’t think makes any kind of contextual sense, lol.
Banged her that night.
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Yep, effective replies don’t even have to make sense. They just have to avoid sounding beta, where “beta” means anything from butthurt to defensive to apologetic to appeasing to hoop jumping. Scoring a goal is less important than refraining from scoring an own-goal.
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I think the essence of an alpha reply is just showing that you don’t care AND are in a positive state of mind. That’s why guys fail with game they say the right things with the wrong vocal tone or facial expression.
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Delivery -is- huge, but I think nothing beats perfect content delivered at perfect pitch from the perfect vessel, i.e. true wit. Replies like the above, in my experience, preserve but don’t raise your value — which works if the girl already sees you as high value. But y’know……..if you’re playing against all-stars who are above your normal league, I see no way around having to always try for the freethrow-line dunk.
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> “true wit”
True wit requires a combination of good character and very high IQ.
Unfortunately, in the broad panoply of human civilizations across the eons, that combination doesn’t occur very often.
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Ehhhh, I dunno. I think if you’re going for a Winston Churchill “if you were my wife, I’d drink it” style of repartee….then ya that takes high IQ. But Muhammad Ali had some good quips too, and he didn’t seem particularly IQ-smart:
“‘I done wrestled with an alligator, I done tussled with a whale, only last week I murdered a rock, injured a stone, hospitalized a brick. I’m so mean I make medicine sick.’”
‘If you dream of beating me, you’d better wake up and apologize.’
“‘You’re always talking about, Muhammad, you’re not the same man you were 10 years ago. Well, I asked your wife, and she told me you’re not the same man you was two years ago!'”
They’re funny in part because of how he delivers them, in part because he’s delivering them, and in last part because of the actual content. They say a lot about his identity.
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Roosh will tell ya that the abundance mindset (and in fact) is crucial to the inner game it takes to communicate what you state, Marky Mark. I wholeheartedly subscribe to what you and Scray (and CH) re communicating here. By the way, I think ‘next time’ as a response to a whole lot of things is fine, and, even better say ‘nekt time’ or some such. I have my dance card full these days after some daygaming and find that full dancecard and the ease/fun/powerful feeling of filling it, bestow a tremendouse source of ease, comfort and uncaringness (though not yet the assholery extolled here – my thought is that the assholery will come off as unnatural to me and hopefully the uncaringness will be enough)
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> “my thought is that the assholery will come off as unnatural to me”
Also, from the other point of view [namely hers], chicks who always need to be on the receiving end of assholery tend to come from broken families where e.g. the father beat the living daylights out of the mother – not only verbally, but even literally, with his fists.
And my gut has always told me that getting involved with those chicks – who were raised in an environment where violent sturm-und-drang was the natural state of affairs between man and woman – getting involved with those chicks is asking for nothing but trouble.
Talk about “nigger” love [to paraphrase Ben Gurion, as above].
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You don’t even have to cruise along her shittests. She only has to perceive you higher than her. You can tell her to go fuck other dudes for money and she will do it. How can you get shittests from a thing that is your property? Does your fridge shittest you? You know the “bzzzzz” sound is natural for a fridge and since you want fresh food you tolerate and live with it. One ear in, the other out. You only answer her because it’s a polite thing to do and you answer her the first thing that comes up in your mind. She’ll handle it. Girls think binary. “1” or “0”.
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This is true. Simply ignoring her is a very effective way to pass a shit test.
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lol, pretty solid responses.
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Usually when some girl says “I have a boyfriend” I say “I have a girlfriend. You know what we should do…fix them up. I think they’d probably get along great.”
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A compendium of statements that are *not,* in fact, shit tests—and should be taken at face value:
1. “I’m sorry, but my friend is going through a hard time right now and we’re kind of busy talking through it.” As my friend wipes at her mascara and blows her nose. (He would not leave us alone and eventually we just paid our check and left to get away from him.)
2. “I’m here with my boyfriend; he’s just at the bar getting drinks and he will be back any second.” (This one, by the by, came very close to fisticuffs.)
3. “Get your goddamn hands off me right now.” (He got frog-marched out by a bouncer who had apparently been watching the whole thing.)
None of the above would have had to go as far as they did if the men in question had been keeping an eye on my body language. A woman who is cradling a sobbing friend can’t talk to you right now, even if she wants to. A woman whose arms are crossed, torso twisting away from you, does not want you to approach any further and doesn’t want to be touched. A woman whose eyebrows are drawn together in a scowl, lips pressed into a livid, hard line, is genuinely angry and probably about to start yelling (if you’re lucky).
[CH: What’s with the spiteful ire? No one here claimed any of these were shit tests. Check your misplaced feminist rage. As for any man unable to take the above hints… it’s safe to say those guys have no game.]
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You’ve been told “A delicious ham sandwich” one too many times, haven’t you…
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Never heard that one, that I remember. The ones I get all the time are “I know you from somewhere, I’m sure of it, blah blah,”; “You look just like this one girl I know, blah blah,” and “Who do you remind me of, this is going to drive me crazy, blah blah.” But maybe that’s just because I’m physically sort of a Generic Archetype.
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Are you going to critique every person who says “Hello” as well? I bet you get that one all the time. The NERVE of those creeps…
Appreciate that there’s attention being paid your way at all. Or at least pretend to until you turn 30 when it becomes genuine.
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Ah, yes, the “You’ll get old and then wish men would pay attention to you” gambit. Get yourself a DeLorean and a flux capacitor, and tell me all about it, Cumstein.
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Hey, she’s seen “Back to the Future”. I’m a fan, too. Are your cats??
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When was that movie made- 1984? My guess is you’ve been 30 for some time.
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“I’m here with my boyfriend; he’s just at the bar getting drinks and he will be back any second.” (This one, by the by, came very close to fisticuffs.)
3. “Get your goddamn hands off me right now.” (He got frog-marched out by a bouncer who had apparently been watching the whole thing.)”
Actually, I could’ve blown through these on a good day. Just sayin’.
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The amount of dudes you can watch crash and burn because they have no game is amazing and kinda sad. YaReally broke it down in the comments a few posts back. His analysis was pretty much spot on for what I see out as well.
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But what about #1, playa? That is the final essay question on your “Alpha Assessment” exam.
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I wasn’t going for spite; I stopped being pissed about the above incidents about 10 minutes after they were over.
However, I did say “Do I know you?” to Dude #2 and “What are you doing?” to Dude #3 shortly before the shit hit the fan.
[CH: Obviously dude 2 and dude 3 had 0 game.]
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If they ever had any, they’d covered it in a generous pile of what I suspect was Bolivian marching powder. Usually all but the drunkest guys can pick up on the body-language cues that indicate I’m not kidding about wanting to be left alone, but for whatever reason, the dudes with the runny noses tend to be oblivious.
[CH: By the way, if you wanted to be left alone so badly to kvetch with a girlfriend, what the hell were you doing out at a bar? That’s what living rooms and red wine are for.]
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It was a restaurant with a bar attached; we were meeting for dinner. The waterworks got started while we were eating, so I moved her over to a small booth by the bar rather than have her try to drive in that state.
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Give the guy a break. He was just a whore finder drawn to the music of your BFF’s tears.
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Way to ruin a night out. Some friend you have.
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lol who would ever think that those are shit tests?
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I’m counting three of them so far, Scray, in this subthread alone.
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Newbie PUAs who haven’t learned calibration yet lol. The first few months can be really embarrassing/face-palming to be around depending on how socially inept they’re starting out.
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Nah, they just couldn’t deal with your hyper super shit tests (HSST):
What a coincidence! I’m going through a “hard” time right now and you two should get busy sucking me through it. (Escalate the sexual)
Well, your future boyfriend is right here right now, baby, and I’ll have you on your back any second. (Assume the sale)
That’s cool, I don’t want to get you pregnant. (Standard kino countermeasure)
Mid-frog-march: Seriously, dude, I didn’t want to get her pregnant, feel me? High-five. It’s cool bro, you’re cool bro. Hey, easy. Ironic that your hands are on me now, huh? Watch it dude, this shirt cost more than your girlfriend’s last abortion. WTF that rabbit punch was not cool bro. Imma lover not a fighter. This place sucks anyway.
Your comment post was a meta-shit test. And I just aced it, bitch. Gimme some sugar.
Matt
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First you wanna kill me. Now you wanna kiss me.
Blow.
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I know how much you want to play Ash, but you
cuntcan’t.Time to have another talk with Rappy and the anatomically correct dolls. Come, sit on papa’s knee.
(Srsly tho ur prose rocks. Big fan. You consistently get my vote for Best-Written Comments.)
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Girl…Boy…
I’m the one with the gun.
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This is my rifle, this is my gun. For all your envy and surgery, you can never be “the one with the gun.”
Drop me a line when you’re done fighting and ready for fun.
I really do like your writing, it’s finely crafted. I’m not sure how to convey that earnestly on a sarcastic forum.
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Why, thank you, Matt. I did indeed think you were being sarcastic at first; I appreciate both the praise and the time you took to clear up the misunderstanding.
Now here’s the question: If I were to reply that I wish everyone with whom I frequently disagree wrote as eloquently and precisely as you, would CH post a picture of a couple of crossed swords? Or do you think he’d go with sausages?
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Go away, little butthurt MRA.
[CH: Have you made your decision for Christ?]
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Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks you’re an asshole.
Are you interested? I know you are, because it’s fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks.
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Yawn. Very trite and boring – like you.
[CH: Spot the self-awareness black hole.]
(In any case, I’m an atheist,
[How courageous! Especially in this day and age.]
so references to that non-entity jesus are meaningless,
[What are your thoughts on muhammed?]
as are misogynists.)
[If misogynists are meaningless why do you keep talking about them?]
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@ ch: Your comment about muhammed is a non sequitur – no relevance at all. Misogynists are indeed meaningless – it’s good to keep pointing that out.
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Matt, are you a Gemini? You got to be. Tell me I’m wrong.
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This is seriously funny shinola. MK channeling CHYa. Catastrophic damage. Early libation posts are most entertaining.
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Haha. You sarcastic bastard
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Wow – how impressive. Not.
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White knight bouncer-the common garden variety. Bouncerus safety in numberus
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Normally I don’t understand if a man is just being friendly to me or if he is trying to hit on me. I don’t go in bars or clubs, so I think if a man approaches you in a supermarket, or just when you go for a walk, or maybe at the airport it is more difficult to understand their motive. I can’t really say I get hit on regularly..men talk to me in a friendly way often, and I’m for the most part friendly back. Unless they say something rude and offensive, but I haven’t experienced it many times. What I don’t like is when I have been asked for my telephone number or to go out and I said no thank you, I’m sorry I am not single(I told a white lie, better than to be out right rude and say no, I am just not interested in you), but then I was embarrassed because the man has replied to me “Oh, no it’s okay, I meant just as friends”. I don’t know if he meant it or not, but it was embarrassing for me because I felt like it looked I was so vain that I had assumed he wants me. Other times men say something nice like “He is a lucky man” which is a very touching compliment. How do you know if a man is trying to hit on you, or if he is just being friendly? I don’t think it is very easy to understand the difference between the two. There are so many friendly men.
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“How do you know if a man is trying to hit on you, or if he is just being friendly? I don’t think it is very easy to understand the difference between the two. There are so many friendly men.”
“Just being friendly” is another mode of men hitting on women, albeit a beta and hopeless one.
Check out the article on Return of Kings about white knights and how the relationship between Jorah and Dany on Game of Thrones illustrates those friendzone dynamics. Really funny (and informative).
By the way, your blog is good stuff. Tragic that it doesn’t get more traffic, though not surprising in the least.
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I will be sure to check it out in a little while. Thankyou.
Thank you too for liking my blog. I don’t know why more people don’t like it. I’m thinking it needs more originality.
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They’re all hitting on you. Or, better put, there is no “difference between the two.” And the more deliberately confused you are the better. While your mind is racing over what’s going on (hamster), that’s when men do their best work. Misdirection is part of the formula. The very act of trying to keep up puts you in the state of anticipation men are trying to achieve.
Men prefer to be direct and blunt. But since women like indirectness, men make it a point to be directly indirect (e.g., double entendre). Wrap your brain around that one. Or relax and enjoy the ride.
Hahaha.
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Lol. Okay. I will not try to understand. But I think some men should be more direct or they will never find a woman because all the women will think they are just being friendly. I can’t bring myself to believe that all men who smile at me or talk to me are hitting on me. Sorry, that seems absurd.
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For example I am not hitting on all the men I smile at or exchange pleasantries with..
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“Being friendly,” “general niceness,” “exchange pleasantries”: none of them are fake per-se or even precipitated by a sexual motivation. But the lesson for today is recognizing the deep subterranean undercurrent that is always present in every man, waiting for a woman to activate it through a response that implies interest. A man will cast a wide net just to get the one fish who indicates the possibility of a developing relationship.
The point is, once you are conscious of this dynamic, you can relax and play with it just like the player does. It’s called flirting, and flirting truly is harmless — no matter what the sexual “harassment” tyranny claims — until both parties decide to explore the next step together. You will realize there is no danger “accidentally” finding yourself with someone you don’t really like once you develop the ability to recognize exactly what progressions are happening step by step.
Sexuality is the very basis of most friendliness between the sexes. Now, you can be petrified of that or you can use it to your advantage.
Matt
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Most men who smile to me or talk to me don’t try to ask for my number anyway. Last week at the airport I was standing in line behind 2 men, the one told the other his t-shirt was stupid and he caught my eye as he said it. The other man turned around to me and asked me if I liked his t-shirt. I said yes it is lovely. And that was that. Sometimes general niceness is just exchanged. It’s always ulterior motives of men wanting you even if they talk to you.
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not** always.. oops
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Asking for your number is only significant because it is (usually) the most unmistakable outward sign of the desire to explore the possibility of a relationship. It is one of the best signs in today’s milieu, but not the only sign. You are not paralyzed before that. All the fun is in the ambiguity of uncertain signs.
For instance, am I giving you so much attention right now because I’m interested in you, or just because I am acting in “general niceness”?
What’s your number?
Matt
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I would prefer not to give my number here where others can see. You can add me on Facebook and I will give it from the privacy of Facebook chat.
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It would be kinder for you to just tell those men that no, you are not interested.
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Really? Wouldn’t that be a harsh on their ego? I always thought it was kinder just to say you are not single, so they know there is nothing wrong with them.
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If these are beta men, they need that moment of red pill.
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Men like direct, honesty / women like indirect, deception. Men seek out the “harsh” to make themselves better men against it. Women flee from the harsh to keep themselves soft.
Believe it or not, men would prefer to “know there is [some]thing wrong with them” so they might improve it. This is how women make bad situations worse, by continuing deception through cowardice all the way up to disaster. We build our “ego” with real achievements, not delusions of grandeur.
So it’s better to be blunt than to be the psychologist deciding what is or is not too “harsh” for a man you hardly know. But even more effective is examining where the dishonesty truly lies, and more likely it lies in you. You give away the game by confessing your instinct for the “white lie” rather generating the courage it takes to speak truthfully.
But guess what? There is a greater lie directing the entire dynamic, which is even harder for a woman to face. You think you are not interested, because that’s the easy way out of a sudden, uncomfortably high-stakes predicament. So you lie to yourself about your non-interest before you can truly assess the possibility of becoming interested. As prosecuting attorney I must ask the hostile witness: “Were you deceiving yourself then, when you said you weren’t interested, or were you deceiving yourself now, when you say ‘there is nothing wrong with them’?” If there is nothing wrong with them, then whence comes the nature of your non-interest? I will give you the answer: Your non-interest is the lie.
This is why men have learned to develop persistence, so that they might get over a woman’s typical self-deception. The truth is about neither the assumption of immediate interest or disinterest. No, the truth is, you do not know your interest level yet — you cannot possibly know, beyond a first impression — and therefore you chicken out to keep things simple.
You would handle these circumstances better if you learned how to be a little more courageous and generous. Recognize that just about every man, at some level, has a primal interest in you. You can conduct intersexual negotiations at all levels, from acquaintance to coworker to brother to player to husband, if you realize what’s going on and dare to look it in the face. Assume the most innocent motives of the man approaching you, and thereby encourage him to be direct about his intentions. And when he is, you can be just as direct back to him, the way he prefers it, which is also the least complicated way of communicating your way through a situation you’d rather flee.
Matt
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Actually honestly it is normally not because I am not interested. It is because my priority is not dating at this present moment because I have other obligations. At another time maybe I would be interested. But that’s all a little bit complicated and “too much information” to go in to with a man you have just met. Don’t you think? I don’t think there is an appropriate way to convey that message without launching into unnecessary dialogue about current circumstances. So I just find a small white lie is much easier to tell, as I am not offending the man, and I can’t say I am not interested, and there really is nothing wrong with him( usually).
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> “A woman whose eyebrows are drawn together in a scowl, lips pressed into a livid, hard line, is genuinely angry and probably about to start yelling (if you’re lucky).”
A little off-topic, but you’re also describing a woman who is in desperate need of a nice hard fucking by the Alpha of her dreams.
Maybe even “clown rape” [whatever that is].
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“Clown rape” is a joke that got started between me and whorefinder a few months ago, and has now taken on a life of its own.
Contrast this with the expression composed of drawn-together eyebrows and lips pressed into a thin line. That expression is not a joke, a come-on, or an indication that one is in need of a nice hard fucking.
That expression is nearly universal across all human cultures. It indicates that the series of culturally ingrained tripwires that prevent us from engaging in violence have been crossed. A person making that face is in full fight-or-flight mode and is going to choose one or the other in the next few seconds unless a rapid de-escalation takes place immediately (and might do so regardless). Have you read Desmond Morris’ “The Naked Ape”? It’s worth a read. Some of it has been discredited, but much of it still holds up quite well.
The reason why I know I was making that face is because a friend of mine actually caught it on camera (I wasn’t the primary subject, but Dude #3, the bouncer, and I are in the frame). At that particular moment, I was both frightened and furious, but thinking very clearly and logically: “OK, I’m going to stomp his instep as hard as I can with my stiletto heel and then I’m going to give him a Glasgow kiss when he crumples forward and then I’m going to run like hell.”
Luckily for me the bouncer intervened because although I’ve no doubt I would have hurt him, I almost certainly would have been badly hurt myself. He probably went about 180 and I’m 117 in my shoes.
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So, CH, ready to write book #1? HarperCollins has published a book on game through their IT Books imprint, but you can easily spin your brilliant writing & ideas into anything you choose—but we know there is a market for you, in print, digital, and even audio if you so wish (it’s not necessary). Once you have your book in the pipeline, then it’s time to hit up Warner Bros for pilot money to create your own series. It will knock Dunham and “Girls” out of Yankee Stadium. I know exactly the editors to take you to and I’ll create a bidding war for your book via an industry-wide auction. Each day as I read your bl
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I got cut off in sending you my email about publishing book #1. Maybe you received it?
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lol
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I’m sure you are a media big shot and all, but you ought to really learn what an email is.
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“You’re not my type!”
I recently just heard this from a chick that I approached…
My reply was…
“Oh really? Big dicked and successful… You might be the only woman in Nyc who thinks like that!”
She then immediately started to seek rapport and qualify me! She never had a chance!!!!!! lol
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Also… My best reply for… “Are you a player?” is…
“Why does the thought of that turn you on so much?”
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This guy know what he’s talking about
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It seems the formula for dealing with SSTs is:
1) Cleverness
2) Maintaining composure and dominance
3) Reversals (going from being “in trouble” to escalation.)
In fact, this is exactly the point of SSTs, to see if you are smart and strong. They’re merely auditions. Treat them as such. Put on a show.
I’ve had some success in just calling women’s emotional bluffs. If they get super charged with feelings out of nowhere, it’s usually a bluff and can be put down easily by coming back at them even harder. They’re never ready for that.
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This x 1000. The whole “James Bond” ignore thing only works if you’re already high value. When you get shit tested, you should always be aiming to crush the ball. You have to take the risk.
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What Bond movies are you watching? He always has a witty retort for shit-testing bitches.
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Ya, you’re right…I just think a lot of guys miss the ‘wit’ part and focus on the ‘cool’ part. So when I say “James Bond,” I’m just saying what I see out in the field…dudes decked out looking cool, holding up their drinks, trying real hard to project DGAF without saying anything ever, etc.
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Ya, this is what I mean when I refer to guys being “James Bond”.
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I see it as:
1. Maintan composure and dominance
2. Cleverness
3. Reversal
Do others agree on a set order of importance or does it matter to some? I like the jousting match analogy better than putting on a show.
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Years ago I lost a buddy over failing to read a girl’s signals. I was a lonely 26-yr old who decided to finally sack up and talk to a girl. I don’t remember what I was saying to her but looking back I’m sure it was try-hard as I was doing most of the talking. Thought she seemed interested, and with the music blaring I heard her say lets get a drink. Apparently she said SHE was getting a drink b/c when I followed she turned and said “you’re still here?” Beta panic set in. I just sheepishly apologized and quickly bailed. Thought that was the end of it.
Later on I’m talking with my acquaintance and up walks the girl. She asks him “you know this guy?” “Yes” he replies. She smirks, “well tell your horny friend he needs to control himself.” He bursts into laughter as I feel my face warming with humilation. Now while I don’t recall exactly what I was saying to her earlier, I know it wasn’t remotely sexual. I was far too cowardly for that; it was just innocuous nice guy blather – boring maybe but in no way (IMHO) warranted this response. I feel it was a response to my following her, and she wasn’t about to settle for my apology.
My buddy goes on to flirt with her and she continues to bash me with lines like “at least SOMEONE knows how to talk to a girl” etc.. I wasn’t saying anything. I was actually fighting tears lol. He spread the story to anyone who would listen and thus ended our friendship.
Whoever that girl was, she successfully got a timid guy to go back into his shell for years. However, the rage I felt over that incident eventually drove me to improve myself so I suppose I should thank her for that.
[CH: Moral of the story: Girls will give no quarter to niceguy betas. So you may as well play around with them.
Don’t worry anymore. Your redemption is here in the hallowed halls of Le Chateau.]
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Yeah, women hate betas. Sorry you had to learn the hard way.
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dr drew had a podcast with a newsbabe and he classified betas as lovesick, and her reaction was visceral to the idea that women in their early 20s attach themselves to love sick guys. the newsbabe had no idea why alphas do what they do. drew tried to say it was testosterone but she wasn’t buying it one bit. her theory was alphas are just sadistic.
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Love their podcasts. Radio “Loveline” was a peek under the rock of female nature/sex dynamics before the internet exploded. The old episodes are still good, they still hold up.
Now with the podcasts there are no commercials and no forced patience with stupidity. They only recently reunited late last year. Carolla is a genius and Drew is the perfect straight man.
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drews podcasts are hit n miss but together they are pretty good. everyone should check them out or atleast the adam carolla podcast.
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CH is absolutely spot on that girls have no mercy on sensitive nice guys. You have dark triad traits? They’ll make excuses for your alpha ass all day long. Alphas are easily forgiven, often for what is perceived as the worst of behaviors.
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yeah dude. Its funny but since being immersed in these blogs, the bitchy female behavior throws me off less. I was somewhat of a natural handling shit from girls, but i can envision being thrown by what you expereienced maybe like 5 years ago.
thats one killer thing im realizing more and more. This state of zen when girls are trying to be a bitch. Because i have a firm understanding of why theyre doing it (test your mettle)…and so i spot it immediately and just laugh it off or ignore it all together. Its excellent. Whereas earlier i would be reacting…getting flustered….now its just a cue to take the foot off the gas pedal. Heh. Like coasting in neutral and let her burn herself out trying.
You seriously dont need to do shit.
BUt then when the tests start coming for commitment, when she is having a hard time with your aloof, imperturbable attitude…and you want to keep them around to bang…thats a new area to tackle. I suspect it has something to do with…,.banging many other girls. lol.
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when I followed she turned and said “you’re still here?” Beta panic set in. I just sheepishly apologized and quickly bailed. Thought that was the end of it.
In the future, a good reply is to either laugh and say sarcastically “you funny”, or say “I’m on stalker patrol.” In other words, OWN her implied accusation.
Later on I’m talking with my acquaintance and up walks the girl. She asks him “you know this guy?” “Yes” he replies. She smirks, “well tell your horny friend he needs to control himself.”
“And ruin all your fun?”
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Yawn.
And your response “have you made your decision for christ?” – re: my comment to matthew king – your non sequitur response illustrates your own lack of relevance in society.
[CH: Christ welcomes you with open arms, my child. You don’t need to wander lost and alone anymore. The heaving bosom of god will shelter you and rain love into your heart.]
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Your religion “jokes” aren’t working, little child.
[CH: Sure they are. You replied.]
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‘My buddy goes on to flirt with her and she continues to bash me with lines like “at least SOMEONE knows how to talk to a girl”’
lol it’s so cool how like…….girls say the same shit across cities, populations, etc. I’ve heard something similar. Granted, this was in the context of me busting on a girl and a nearby beta orbiter being all nice and giving her validation —> “THAT is how you talk to someone with a vagina.”
“Oh, you have a vagina?” (smirk)
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Anyway….yaaaaaaaa it sux brah. It’s so cool though….reading your thing, my mind was like ‘man I’d do this here, I wonder what would happen….’
When she said “you’re still here?” —- “ya you’re buying me a drink I thought.”
Or, when she said this: “well tell your horny friend he needs to control himself.” my immediate thought would be to laugh ‘ya man she’s totally right, (pantomiming jackoff motion) I should just (then just pantomime jizz exploding all over her) OH SHIT, SORRY. I DID IT AGAIN! I’m so sorry, but sorry-I’m-not-sorry! Phew. That was great. I hope you keep in touch tho. (turn to friend) she’s all yours bro. Our time, however brief, was splendid.”
lol I may just fucking follow a girl around tonight after saying ‘hi’ just hoping for her to say something about it….just so I can respond ‘ya you’re buying me a drink, rite?’
I may never get to try that exact response to ‘tell your horny friend…” tho. 😦
It seems solid, but idk! I did that as part of the ‘jizz opener’ but that was a diff context.
Good luck on your journey!
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How’s your 30 day challenge going brother. Almost done?
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It’s been an awesome month, man — I’ve been following some of that advice you gave me. When I’m done I’ll post the general overview.
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The jackoff joke just comes off as butthurt.
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o rly?
well Mitch, guess I’ll go try it out tonight and we’ll see. My wager is that apologizing for invisible jizz is hilarious (to me at least) and that it’s impossible to be butthurt when you’re on the verge of cracking up. BUT da FIELD WILL REVEAL ALL
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No no, I didn’t mean the gesture. I meant if you surround it with all that speech, it’s too much. Whereas if you do the pantomime and make a few awkward sounds, you should be gold.
Make no mistake: I’m also a fan of that gesture and it’s worked for me before. Godspeed.
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lol nah, the way he described it is solid. It would come off more butthurt like an angry “well fuck you then” without all the words. I only say this cause my style of game is extremely verbose so that’s the kind of thing I would do.
Good stuff Scray, you’ve come a long way lol
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All you had to say was:
“I only stalk fit bitches” or
“You’re not fit enough for stalking”,
and immediately start talking to a (preferably) much fitter girl nearby so she can see this. If you really want to annoy her point out a flaw with her face or body or clothing etc “Maybe if you didnt have so much acne i might have considered stalking you”
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This is one of those “sounds like a cool burn in my head, but in reality it’s butthurt AND burns down a situ that completely could’ve been a lay” things. There are a lot of these in this comment section lol
Remember guys: it might sound like a good zing, and it might be a fun story to tell your buddies about how you totally “owned this bitch this one time”, but you’re tossing away a lot of lays you could’ve gotten if you hadn’t been so reactive/insecure and instead stuck to game principles.
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I agree with this. We’ve all tried “super cool burn” but in reality, it doesn’t go nearly as well as you think and you don’t get the satisfaction you would if you had remained in control (solid frame). Amused mastery, as CH has often called it, really is the right frame of mind.
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lol THIS is butthurt and mean.
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Your “buddy” was a bigger cunt than you were for selling you out like that.
If he weren’t such a quisling for the first piece of pussy he sniffed, he would have wedged his downtrodden friend back into her door. Bitchboy took the easy way out. No mercy for hos before bros: it’s a fearfully hidden omegatude that drives a boy to sell out his brother right in front of him, cranking up her pedestal a few feet just to get a peek of some trollop’s panties. He debased himself by debasing you in exchange for her momentary (drunken) good graces.
“Tell your horny friend he needs to control himself.”
“How do you expect any guy to control himself when you’re dressed like that?” Then neg for effect. Then interrogate her about where exactly he went wrong. Make the failure a part of a shared joke, not the butt of the joke.
I.e., her unsolicited “You know this guy?” and “Horny Friend” weren’t rejections, they were safely delivered signs of interest through the “buddy.”
Hahaha. And the content of what you said mattered to the dynamic … how?
What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger is beside the point (though it’s good you were inspired to alpha yourself up). You were left hanging by a wingman, and that is a capital offense, I don’t care how nerdly you were. Bitches come and bitches go but brothers are — should be — forever.
Matt
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Tough to be friends with a beta if you’re alpha, in general. But specifically if they are just fucking it up and looking like a lost cause, pretty easy to just think “to hell with it, I might as well salvage this for myself.”
At least if we are talking an acquaintance, not a true friend. But who wants to be drinking buddies with a beta? Every part of live improves with becoming more alpha.
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“Tough to be friends with a beta if you’re alpha, in general”
Being friends with whomever the fuck you decide is about as alpha as it gets.
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Bullshit. If you’re going to sell out your friend to giggle along with some cunt, that is a sign of insecurity, not Unbeatable Alphaness.
Of course it’s “pretty easy to just think … I might as well salvage this for myself.” But when men go the easy way, that’s the indication of weakness or simple non-ability.
The actual definition of “alpha” is pack leader. If he can’t manage his relations with men, then his relations with women are an elaborate fraud. “Who wants to be drinking buddies with a beta?” Alphas are surrounded by betas by the very nature of the power dynamic — betas are aspirants who want the crown. The best pack leaders turn betas into strong partners or even peers by example and by instruction.
Turning an omega is much tougher and perhaps not worthwhile. But the more a man can make the men around him better, the more alpha he is. The difference between Chamberlain and Jordan is the latter didn’t post 80 points per game himself; rather the greatest player of all time led his team to three times as many championships as the ball hog, and winning not scoring is the point of the game.
In other words, the bitchboy “buddy” made pussy his number-one prerogative rather than taking the longer view which does not make friendship and pussy-pulling enemies. Mr. Sellout is on the trajectory of the loser.
No one wants to be “drinking buddies” with imperfect men. If only the world were filled with naturally alpha peers who didn’t need guidance or tough criticism, wouldn’t that be lovely? But the fact is we bond in our imperfections and raise each other up so that we might overcome those imperfections together.
When I hear advice to take the “easy way,” I hear a man confessing that he has never experienced true friendship or brotherhood, the good and the bad of it.
Matt
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I don’t know how to meet those who have the level of perspective you possess on the topic, but I now see that is what I am looking for to get where I need to be. My experience has been that women know how to back each other up when it counts and that men are easily divided and picked apart by women. I’ve witnessed it countless times and been frustrated both by my pals’ ignorance to what was happening and my own lack of ability to turn things around. Anything I said to try and reverse things just got the other guys white knighting for the girls and the cause was lost. I bet this is due to my limited social circle being populated by beta males desperate for any level of female validation and that’s why I see women “win” encounters over and over again.
I have difficult decisions to make on that front b/c most of them are married and don’t listen to me anyways. If only I had discovered this material years ago.
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“Tough to be friends with a beta if you’re alpha, in general.”
On the contrary, as an alpha, betas are your natural constituency. How else will you rule the world except on willing beta backs?
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No woman may revile a man in your presence. Violators shall be treated as though they were retards touching themselves in public.
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Your ex-friend didn’t sound like much of a friend.
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When your friend burst into laughter over this girl’s lame joke, you could have said, “It really wasn’t that funny.” That would have made him look try hard.
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lol wat….this would make him look butthurt and reactive.
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Right. “It really wasn’t that funny” is the worst possible response. Even crying would have been better — might have elicited some maternal pity.
Now, if he could have communicated the same sentiment to his “buddy” without spelling it out — ideally by contrasting her “lame” joke (which wasn’t all that lame) with something wittier — that’s a whole different story.
“You’ll have to forgive me. I didn’t get a good look at what I was hitting on till now.” or “That’s where you’re WRONG. Not horny anymore. My buddy just took care of me in the john, so ha.” or “I was wondering when you’d come over to apologize. But say it with alcohol, my drink is low.”
I mean, the chick inserted herself back into his territory. The possibilities were endless, even with the punk bitchboy throwing him under the bus.
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this response could be good and say the same thing, tooling your friend and dhv’ing to the chick maybe —> (indicating your friend)
“Wow, HE thinks you’re hilarious….I’m not sold yet, any more jokes?”
It’s hard for me to say though. Each of these are just things I have in my head that I actually want to just go and try out lol
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Honestly, she may have been trying to flirt with you. It kind of sounds like it.
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Yep. This.
It’s like how socially awkward guys don’t get that men bust on eachother as a show of affection/respect. So they think their alpha bro is as asshole when often he actually just expects them to be able to keep up and be confident enough to understand shit-talk is a bonding friendship thing.
But as an AFC you take everything literally and a thousand worst-case scenarios go thru your head for everything, like what happened with the OP here.
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Also on a psychological side note, as a guy who’s been shot down in front of his buddies much worse a ton and watched the alphas REPEATEDLY telling the stories to anyone who will listen because they know certain stories legitimately embarrassed me and that it would get to me and throw me off and ruin my night (what assholes, right? Keep reading lol…):
The reason you took it personally is that your Ego (the Freudian one, tho I’m shitting all over his actual definitions just to make the point faster lol) took itself too seriously. It built up an Identity of “I’m a gentleman who respects women and would never be one of those creepy horny bar guys who wants to get in a girls pants!” and she and he both dug the needle right into that nerve on you, so you reacted terrified, embarrassed, angry, frustrated, humiliated, etc and instinctively your Ego tried to defend itself and keep that Identity together.
Every time your friend repeated tha story, it was like another little “see this guy’s Identity he’s so proud of and has tried to project to you all? It’s a LIE, he’s a horny little creeper!!!” and brings those feelings back.
The same thing was happening to me when I was a few years into pickup and fancied myself an expert with women. My Ego built up the Identity of “I’m someone who’s good with women” so every time they told the stories, especially to other alpha males and women I was attracted to, it was like another needle jabbing that “he’s not REALLY good with girls lol” nerve that only existed because I was a prisoner of my own Ego.
Consider it a lesson in humility they’re sub-consciously trying to teach you about not taking either yourself and/or picking up girls so seriously, and being able to laugh at yourself.
Your friend wasn’t necessarily a dick…you were just trapped in an Identity that you took too seriously. In the end its worked out for you at least, so in a way it’s good that I happened, but I know you felt like shit at the time…in my AFC days I actually did the accidental/misunderstanding creepy-follow once too, to a social circle girl during the daytime no less lol.
Now when my friends bring up the stories that used to frustrate and embarrass me and ruin my night, I just laugh them off and go “ya it was brutal. I suck with girls, no wonder I’m still a virgin. :(” and it doesn’t phase me at all because I’m no longer trapped by that Identity.
Just wanted to explain this dynamic because of all the “your friend is a douchebag who doesn’t respect bros before hos” responses…technically, your friendship ended because at that point in your life you hadn’t grown an internal frame strong enough to not put your worth into the Identity your Ego created.
Also this concept is part of how I hold my own in the high-end clubs with jacked ripped 6-pack tall rich expensive suit wearing AMOGs. I know they’ve spent and spend so much of their life constructing their outward Identity/appearance of being a rich successful guy who’s good with women etc, and are trapped by their Ego into taking that Identity too seriously, so all I have to do to shake their frame/confidence is poke them with one little niggling doubt about themselves, like not being impressed about the thing they’re trying to impress myself and/or the girls with, or downplaying what they’re proud of to the girls so the girls stop valuing it as well.
ie – something like “wow man you’re ripped that awesome. You must spend all day in the gym hey, you must be going for a 2am workout after the bar tonight to stay that jacked lol I wish I had that kind of dedication but I’m a lazy fuck (pat my belly and make the girls rub it). I love good food too much, I have to get a steak when I’m at a restaraunt, I’d be embarrassed to order a salad lol you got way more balls than me man”. So in that bit, I’ve made him look like a salad ordering gym nut, and self-depreciated to contrast how I don’t take myself seriously (aka I’m more confident), AND I did it in a way where I’m actually complimenting him so he can’t even get mad at me…he’s stuck in Check wondering why the girls are patting my belly going “noooo I like your belly its cute!!” when I technically just told them how much better than me he is so logically they should want him more lol.
So there I’ve removed the value from one of the pillars he’s built his Identity around, in both my eyes and the girls’ eyes, and his Ego reacts butthurt (even if he doesn’t lash out at me, which he can’t because I complimented him, his state drops) and he loses the girls to me.
Sometimes if he’s frustrated enough he’ll try to tool me on my looks or money etc, something he puts value on so he thinks I’ll put value on, but 1) he’s just reacting to me at that point so he sabotages himself further in the girls’ eyes because the higher value person is the one who reacts less to the other person, and 2) I don’t build my self-worth around those external things so I’m not phased by it and will join in making fun of myself and be self-depreciating because I know my worth internally and know it has nothing to do with whatever he’s making fun of…the end result is if he does this, he takes himself from Check with the girls and puts himself in Check-mate and it’s over.
(if he’s a nice dude, I’ll back off and build his value up again for him and try to take the girls together and make a new buddy, but if he’s a dick I’ll just walk the girls away from him…they’ll follow me because I have all the high-value at that point)
This is the subtle art of the AMOG. 🙂
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This concept is also why negging/teasing girls works btw. You’re taking the thing they built their Identity around (their looks) and being unimpressed/unaffected by it and tossing away its value, and looking at different channels to determine her worth. Her Ego freaks out because a lot of hot girls haven’t had to form an Identity beyond their looks so the insecurity/fear of someone basically saying “What ELSE ya’ got?” makes them feel exposed and vulnerable.
This is why girls will keep trying to return to the “you chasing them” frame with shit-tests, because that assuages their Ego/Identity of “I’m a hot girl and valuable because of that!”
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Hard to say after so much time went by. In any case, a friend would help him out, not humiliate him further to try advance his station. Of course women love this brand of cruelty. I’m a scumbag but I don’t think I would do that to a friend, at least not with him knowing. Unless she’s really hot.
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Nah man, most guys *don’t* get it. Even the worst anti-gamers don’t get it. I’ve come to accept this.
For example, I got invited out with some friends the other night, and there’s this one guy there — total anti-game.
Annnnyways….I talk to this 2 set (I tend to follow the 3 second rule wherever I go now….but in social circle gatherings I just keep it more casual) of a 6 and a 4. So, by chance I set up this whole thing where if they can beat us in pool (me and the AG…unfortunately my other friend — the solid, good wing was indisposed) I’d tell them my name. So far so good, yaaaaaa.
AG instantly waltzes in, tries to cut me off from the hot one. Ok, I think, whatever, let him go for it. AG then attempts to AMOG me by trying to fuck up the little games I play with the girls —>
Me: so ya, before I tell you my name (they won….AG is terrible at pool…fucking useless lol) you should guess, what do I look like?
Girls: (start having fun with it, yaaa….easy shit) Josh…..oh wait, Bobby, oh wait…..
AG: Heh heh, you look more like a Perez to me
(now both girls laugh at this and in my mind I’m like ‘wtf, is this motherfucker trying to step TO ME?’)
Me: (with faux indignation) I live in a post-racial world, and you’re being a little too pre-post-racial right now. (not looking at AG, then I waggle my eyebrows) having said that….I’m clearly a Sanchez — buenos dias.
Later I’m guessing what they do….classic routine where I just guess the most ridiculous things. Here comes AG
AG: ya, no you’re way off with this. They’re not even close to being zookeepers
Me; (to girls) You mean to say you aren’t zookeepers? (grin) Say it ain’t so.
I was focusing on the 4, just trying to be a good wing….just letting him talk to the 6 — he’s getting nowhere with his boring bullshit. Like, they exchange a line or two of dialogue before the 6 refocuses on me. He keeps giving them a ton of validation…..after awhile I just eject. Between my mistakes and his retardation, I just think it isn’t worth saving.
So, after all that’s said and done Anti-game is real pumped. I walk outside and glance around. Then there he is, right beside me.
‘Hey man, see any other hot girls you fancy? Let’s go chat em’ up. That girl -I- was talking to was real hot. I mean, yours wasn’t so good, but y’know….’
You must be fucking kidding me. I actually lol’d at his version of reality.
My response: ‘Ya man, if you see some you like go for it.’
lol…..value takers.
This guy now thinks we’re buddy buddy friends tho.
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lol ya this happens alllll the fucking time. In his mind that was the best night of his life in months and he was on fire, he got to talk to a girl!! He has no idea how far he was from banging her or how much he fucked things up for both of you.
I don’t even totally mind it if they’re still cool guys, but if they start talking smack on top of it it’s like okay, next time I try for the 3-some with both of them and flip you the bird on my way out the door lol
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Looks like you dropped the .5 ratings. Excellent. I don’t exactly know how your story pertains to my point though. All I said is that it’s a cunty move to go out with a buddy, maybe even goad him into approaching a woman, watch him crash and burn and humiliate him to score with her. If the guy is a douche and humiliates himself that’s different, but I was strictly referring to the original case as I saw it.
I shall cite from the original post:
Read that shit. It’s depressing. Why would you treat anyone like that? Just because he doesn’t get it and has no game? Might be the last bit of empathy left in me, but I couldn’t get myself to pile on some guy who tried and failed.
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Oh Shit…
Scary is from America Latrina… no no no!
I even liked some of his posts… now I’m thinking the 6s are 4s and the 8s are 6s…
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lol wtf is America Latrina…I’ve never heard that before
and ya, think what you want 🙂
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Nah, I didn’t drop the .5 ratings at all. Not everyone is ‘in-between’ though. Are you saying you’ve never seen a girl and been like ‘ya she’s like……somewhere between a 5 and 6/7 and 8?’ And the story pertains to your point because you state “a friend would help him out.”
When I say they don’t get it, I mean that you should just treat the behavior as resulting from ignorance rather than malice. An awesome, rare friend would be socially adept enough to help him out. But your average, normal guy? Nah, I don’t really expect that much. That’s all I’m saying.
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I want to believe this and it is a plausible explanation for why my social experiences are often antagonistic for reasons I can’t understand. I do think the situation is more complex though. Sometimes the guys really don’t respect you and it’s all earnestly delivered ridicule. I’ve been on both sides of that and permanently removed myself from social groups when it was clear I had become the designated punching bag. I’m not quick with comebacks and that’s an area I’m working on. I suppose experience is the best way to develop the ability to distinguish between good-natured ribbing like you describe vs. true hostility.
My social experiences have been so absurd in general that I know it has to be me but I’m not going to have some ‘professional’ get me started on mind-altering drugs; I’m working this out on my own and doing well so far.
Thanks for the valuable insight.
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“Sometimes the guys really don’t respect you and it’s all earnestly delivered ridicule.”
“I suppose experience is the best way to develop the ability to distinguish between good-natured ribbing like you describe vs. true hostility.”
True. But even if it WERE honest ridicule, the reason it affects you is that you’re giving their opinion of yourself value over your own…ie – you’re basing your self-worth externally.
If your 5 year old nephew says “I hate you!!”, it’s cute but it’s not really going to crush your soul. You don’t base your worth on the opinion of a silly 5 year old kid who’s throwing a tantrum because you won’t let him eat cookies for supper.
But change that 5 year old nephew into a hot girl at the bar you were hoping to bang, or an alpha buddy that you were hoping to befriend, and now all of a sudden it gets to you. The difference is simply how much value you put in their opinion of you.
One of Tyler’s examples is that if I made fun of you by saying “You have green hair, what a loser, only losers have green hair, your green hair is fucking stupid, man!!” you’ll be completely unaffected by it because you KNOW you don’t have green hair. You are 100% sure about this, so nothing i say about it can affect you.
But if I then make fun of you by picking something you’re insecure about like (for instance) “You’re a fucking virgin? What a loser, only losers can’t get laid lol”, that’s going to sting you…because that’s something you’re not 100% sure about.
If you were 100% sure that you were awesome and “The Shit”, it wouldn’t matter whether someone was slagging you in jest or out of hostility, you would be completely unreactive either way.
“but I’m not going to have some ‘professional’ get me started on mind-altering drugs”
Fuck no. Why would that even be an option? lol, *THAT* would be “crazy”. You’ll be just fine, as long as you put in the work to learn what’s going on and work on your internal confidence and build a strong frame. 🙂
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Wow, your “buddy” is a real cock-smoke. Blessing in disguise. Be glad you are rid of “friends” like him. I no longer consort with those so called “plastic-bag” friends. The wind blows and they are gone.
Glad things are improving for you.
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i have always thought dat chateau is
da modern day jesus
as jesus said “Da truth will set you free”
and da chateau speadks da truth
setting a genernataionz of menz
who have been lied to
setting the menz freeezz zlzozozozozoozzo
now chateau is a humble soul
and would never claim to be foing doing da lord’s work
but it was written long ago
dat there are those who say they are going
who do not go
and those who say they are not going
who go
there are those who say they are going (the modern preacher manboob)
who do not go
and those who say they are not going (da chateua hearrtsistez)
who go
and now da gbfm must go
and textz his lsostats hottiesz to get somez to cumz oversz 2 nittetsz zllzolzo
lzozozoozozoozoz
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I am “going,” you obsessed nerd. Just not on your schedule.
Soon enough your river of puke will be unchecked, and you can bask in the thundering applause of the vomitorium.
Matt
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llzozozozlzozolz
wot?
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My exact reaction to every message you have posted since ever.
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lzoozoz
LZOZOZOLZ ALL HAIL DA CHURCH OF ST. HEARTISTE LOZozozozozozo heartistesz the mighty chateau heartiste is da modern-day jesus lzlzzozlzo
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/lzozozolz-all-hail-da-church-of-st-heartiste-lozozozozozozo-heartistesz-the-mighty-chateau-heartiste-is-da-modern-day-jesus-lzlzzozlzo/
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/compendium-of-female-super-shit-tests/#comment-452220
i have always thought dat da chateau
da might, noble, emintente chataeu heartistez
is
da modern day jesus
as jesus said “Da truth will set you free”
and da chateau speadks da truth
setting a genernataionz of menz
who have been lied to
setting the menz freeezz zlzozozozozoozzo
now chateau is a humble soul
and would never claim to be foing doing da lord’s work
but it was written long ago
dat there are those who say they are going
who do not go
and those who say they are not going
who go
there are those who say they are going (da modern preacher manboob)
who do not go
and those who say they are not going (da chateua hearrtsistez)
who go
for once dey were blind betasz
but now dey see
da dark soul and base mind of a womanz
navigating by gina and butt tingleeeez lzozozozo
and now da gbfm must go
and textz his lsostats hottiesz to get somez to cumz oversz 2 nittetsz zllzolzo
lzozozoozozoozoz
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form: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/compendium-of-female-super-shit-tests/#comment-452220
lzozozozozoz
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“I don’t give out my number.”
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“I have a boyfriend.”
i don’t mind sharin’ if he don’t mind goin’ second zllzzozo
You never listen to me.
i do, but it hard 2 undestrtatnd u wit my ballsz r in ur mouth. lzozo
“Do I know you?”
u prob recognize mez from giantcockas.com lzozozozo
“How may girls have you been with?”
only two–in da last day or so lzozolzozozolzoz
“What are you looking for?”
love in all da wrong placesz, and now i have herpies on my eyebrows lzlzlzozl
“Stop staring at me.”
i’m not, i’m staring at da skinny girl trying 2 escape zzlzozzlzo
“That [X] you’re wearing is ridiculous!”
Thankx you. ur mom bought it 4 me. lzozoozozozozoz
“You’re not my type.”
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“Come hang out with me and my friends.”
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“Does this work on other girls?”
only da hot ones lzozlzoz
“When are you gonna settle down?”
i fallzasleep a minutez after splooginz
“If you impress me, you might get a shot at this!” [wiggles hips]
like hitting the side of a barn with a handfull of rocks
“What are you doing??”
u 2nite lzlzozoozzlo
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this totally matches a trend I ended up recognizing the hard way.
when a girl shows slight interest and you don’t approach her in an alpha way , and you end up exposing your betaness. she will be brutal, she can even be revengeful. you got accused of throwing sexual innuendos as if somehow she wanted the world to know what a loser you are.
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Yep.
“holy shit! I almost let beta sperm near my eggs! Raise the bitch shield! Activate all shit tests on decks 3 through 7!” – Average female hamster
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> “I wasn’t saying anything. I was actually fighting tears lol. He spread the story to anyone who would listen and thus ended our friendship.”
Okay, here I gotta stand up for Matthew King’s ideal of the true Alpha as a leader of men, as opposed to Game Theory’s ideal of the Alpha as a leader of women.
Have you ever seen a movie called Forrest Gump?
If so, then do you remember how Lt Dan reacted to the whores in NYC on New Year’s Eve?
That’s how a true Alpha – a leader of men – would have handled the situation.
Trust me, you need a “friend” like that in your life like you need another hole in your head.
Good mother-fucking riddance.
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One of the classic origin stories.
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Heh. Never thought of these “the straw that broke the beta’s back” stories as being equivalent to comic book super-hero/villain origin stories but that’s exactly what they are.
Would be interesting if somebody made an anthology of such stories.
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Not all girls are like that. I know plenty of beautiful women that would never react like that. Sounds like a bitter 6.5 butter face.
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Also as CH says, the 20% beta…which im learning to dish out at the right moment and right intensity. These women!
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Getting a smidggge overzealous with the posting today. BUt i have things to offer. Like a shining example of the sort of sadism women display with weak niceguys.
When i was 18 i hung around casully with this niceguy. Terminal case, as ive ssen him recently and he is no different. I tried to help him, but he wont listen. Anyhow, he had an enooormous crush on a girl )same age 18) and we all used to pal around. SHe obviously had a thing for me, and later admitted as much to him and my other friend.
This chode friend had a party tewo nights ago, and i noticed this same girl on the invite list. SO i hit her up…and after some callback banter…had her into me again. Saw her later at that party, had her drive me home. She threw alot of LMR and i didnt get the lay, but shes down to hang again. ANyways
We were chatting on my porch about the past and she said that she used to be fucking horrible to this chode guy. She said that one time he called her up, and told her he had “drew something for her,”. So to fuck with him, she said that if he gave it to her RIGHT NOW, she would marry him.
She turns to me and says “He had his mom drive him all the way over at 2 AM”.
She says she feels bad about it all, but its so half hearted. Women despise this sorta guy.
Also, as an aside, she said i was the first guy that had the balls to kiss her in months. Shes very very pretty, the type that gets 30 likes for her photos on facebook. Shes kinda psycho though. Lol. So boldness folks, boldness.
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“I got you some gold bullion for your birthday coming up. You can sit on it and luxuriate like a princess!”
“I guess we’ll have to rendezvous, the old-fashioned way, like Parisian lovers on the run.”
What percentage of American women even know the meanings of all the words in these sentences?
[CH: I game upscale.]
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It doesn’t bother anyone here that degrading women degrades the entire society?
[CH: It bothers me that you are a huge pussy.]
Your sisters and daughters (Although I doubt any of you have any daughters) are women, too, you know.
[Do you subscribe to the ethic that women are innately more moral than men?]
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Nice strawman, Tom the Faggot. Nowhere in this post is the degradation of women even alluded to. Unless you link engaging in standard “battle of the sexes” conversation is degrading, which wouldn’t surprise me considering how much of a Statist eunuch you are.
It doesn’t bother you that you’re daughters will grow up secretly resenting you for being such a toothless faggot?
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In fact, this post and all of the nitwits here who agree with it have an extremely degrading attitude towards women.
[CH: I give this broad degrade of D-.]
And, in addition to being a misogynist,
[That’s “tumescently misogynist” to you, lady!]
you have proven yourself to be a homophobic,
[Yuck, cooties!]
gay-bashing bigot,
[Do you fantasize about gays getting rectally bashed with purple saguaros?]
as demonstrated by your use of the word “faggot”.
[What’s you expert psychological opinion of people who use the word cunt to accurately describe cunts?]
Good luck to you in the world.
[I don’t think you said this with enough feeling. Try again.]
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You can accuse me of any *ism you like, sweetheart. It doesn’t change the reality of human nature. That’s what you leftists don’t understand, or pretend not to. No matter how much you rail against racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. it won’t make a lick of difference in the end.
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society has already BEEN degraded by following the course you prescribe; turning a blind eye to human nature.
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I don’t prescribe turning a blind eye to human nature.
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No, you do much worse. You try to twist the concept of human nature into an ideal of what you want it to be and spread these lies to others thus corrupting all that would actually listen to you. You prescribe listening to a false view of human nature and forcing it down people’s throats.
You are the ones peddling lies. The bigger lie the easier it is to convince right? What bigger lie is there in all of human history than that of man and women are exactly the same except for some physiological differences. Anybody with any common sense can see that they are vastly different. What madness is it that women should be liberated when they were never oppressed in the first place?
Due to people of your ilk, sane men have to prove that water is wet. Enough said.
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and we are not degrading women
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Only in the bedroom. And sometimes outside of it.
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What would you prescribe for the speck in my eye?
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who is degrading women?
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Anyone with this sort of attitude toward women. (test: previous post didn’t go through).
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What attitude are you talking about?
I can’t speak about any of the other commentators, but my attitude toward women has improved a lot over this year.
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I can’t use bad words in the comments? That is rich.
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Stfu tool
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Shit piss fuck cunt motherfucker cocksucker tits.
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This went through instantly, by the way. So you must have written something really bad like the J word or the N word, you racist pig!
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I tried to write “viewing all women as c%nts and b%tches.
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lol who here thinks that? I don’t.
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Read Ben Gurion’s post just below this one: “They don’t really care about you, only insofar as they can extract resources and labor from you.”
He might not use those words, but that is what he is describing.
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And that is true
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o well…lol, ya. I actually don’t really agree about the whole ‘amoral’ thing. Most men aren’t moral by choice — if you lack power, you best follow the rules. Hot girls, on the other hand, have power. High value men also have power. I wouldn’t say there’s much difference in how they wield that power, re: morality. We’re all just people.
Men have biological needs and wants, and so do women. It’s not really ‘better’ or ‘worse.’ It’s just different. Ignoring that fact seems silly.
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Websters 36th edition:
Damn, he’s right.
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It’s more about realizing they have a keener animal nature than we do and act upon its impulses with little if any true moral inquiry. In short, they are more solipsistic and amoral. Maybe they’ll stay if the BBD comes around but they’ll stop giving you pussy and think of the man they could have had when they aren’t taking their frustration out on you. Women expect and demand a leader in their man. If they don’t get one, they’ll lose respect and move on or shut down emotionally and sexually.
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I get it. They are all cunts and bitches to you.
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I didn’t say that. I said they are basically amoral and solipsistic. However, expecting them to prove they are worthy of you seems to make them more interested in you. I find them charming and I do quite well with the ladies and have had several try hard to win me back. But the more you’re around them, the more you see their true nature. But by all means, wear those rose colored glasses.
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Nobody is forcing the women to degrade themselves, though, in fact they willingly do it.
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They don’t really care about you, only insofar as they can extract resources and labor from you. It’s time you learned some reality.
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Wrong. I have a woman that cares about me plenty.
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I believe it man. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard a woman say “I really care about my boyfriend” after she’s done riding my dick.
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How do you know this? Most men think this and learn the hard way otherwise. She’ll be off with the Bigger Better Deal if he shows up and you can’t convince her to stay.
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She’ll care about you less when you’re plenty is gone.
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That is the first time in the history of the Internet that I have written “you’re” instead of “your”. I blame the grammatical pun I was trying to make.
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Then if you want to keep that, you may want to try not degrading her by requiring her to behave like a man.
Just a tip.
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It’s like no one believes in True Love anymore. 😦 You’re all monsters.
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Degrading? Treating a woman like a woman dignifies her.
Off to DailyKos with you, apologist troll. Come back when you figure out that your apologia physically repulses women, even as the ideologically confused she-beasts in your ambit nod along to the inherited inanities of your cult.
Then again, if you could read the cues behind their words, you’d have a clue what we’re talking about. “Sisters and daughters” and mothers, girlfriends, wives, and strangers all appreciate being conversationally manhandled.
You can’t even handle a blog post, much less the prospect of femininity. All of the womons you know are more masculine than you, which, as any lifelong eunuch knows, is to be considered a sign of progress.
Matt the Republican
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What happened to your harem, did they all bail on you?
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Bedazzling whiteness.You’d want to cop on to yourself
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You mean if I degrade a chick, I can degrade everything else, without any additional effort? Where do I start!!?
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Define “this sort of attitude towards women”? What attitude do you have?
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You expressed this attitude above, with the notion that women only want to extract resources and labor from men.
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“women only want to extract resources and labor from men.”
It is kind of true; a women evolved to love men who could provide them with protection and resources. Im not saying that they do not consciously btw.
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O come now. we arent leftists incapable of incremental judgments. Women are full of many wonderful things. The takeway of this post is, there is a dark base nature one would do well to be wary of.
Now be off, until your reasoning faculties regain eptitude.
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“Now be off, until your reasoning faculties regain eptitude.”
That’s pretty gay sounding. Maybe that explains your misogyny.
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Funny little jester
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Even the most brainwashed leftoid manboob pussywhipped democrat would be ashamed and embarrassed to be lumped into a political groupthink with you.
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Fuck you, Tom. You know you got a big mouth. You make a comment, this whole place stinks with your farts for a week. How much you just ingested. Oh, what a big man you are! “Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I’ll show you how to chew it.” Whoof! Someone else comments, and all that comes out of your mouth is bile. Oof, how fucked-up you are…
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“That’s pretty gay sounding. Maybe that explains your misogyny.”
Ohohoho, so gays hate women, you say? Tell me, would you feel free to write that at Jezebel or Daily Kos? Pull up a chair and sit down.
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Stop working and at least helping with paying the bills and see how long she’s good to you. Unless you’re an alpha with major hand, your clock is ticking, which you’re not because we’re having this conversation. And while we’re on the subject, that’s what socialism is, writ large. You’re a from each and they are to eaches. Unless she drops her drawers on request and makes it her biggest priority to be with you, she has a foot out the door at all times.
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I thought it was supposedly women who have the ticking clock. Now I’m the one with the ticking clock?
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Alright dude, you won with that sick burn. We’re all gonna go home now, and you go back to your doting woman and progressive paradise.
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Made me see the error of my ways, joined the Demoncratic Party right away. Great success!
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Are you retarded?
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You are a woman, right? What are you wearing?
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Hey. Stop degrading her.
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What does any of this have to do with racism?
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Racism now closes down commenting… and that sort of censoring closes out of town, to borrow Broadway parlance.
I’m talkin’ to you, CH.
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Nobody is censoring you. You have the entire internet to say whatever it is that you want to say. That this blog generally abides free speech does not mean that you or I or anyone else has a right to shit it up or should espect the author(s) to be okay with harassing other commenters, impersonating other commenter’s children, or cracking other commenters’ sites.
Commenting here is a privilege granted by the author. If you or others misuse it, this can be taken away. So if it is important to you, then mind your manners towards those who bestow that privilege upon you.
If find yourself unable to show courtesy towards the author(s) then you have just as much right as anyone else to start a blog of your own.
I’m sure that you will find a wide audience on the internet interested in cock control by dominant “white” women. You may want to look into the male chastity forums.
You know, the best tool I’ve found for controlling naughty thoughts is the KBT. It’s light, can be worn for weeks, is easily worn under clothing, and you can have your mistress’s name engraved on it.
I was thinking of making something similar for weight control.
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Actually, I was being censored… from slapping down the usual suspect cogdis operative Metro-Onan… who was truly getting out of hand… moreso than usual… and whose frenetic outbursts were what, I believe, led to the closing of comments.
That said, a lecture from you on ‘nettiquette is always appreciated.
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And I only used four n-words and six J’s. WTF?
I guess it was a post about half-breeds, so we should have cut our racism by half.
/The More You Know
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Naw, just add more vowels to the words.
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I have a question re. shit tests. This one is a bit different though as it wasn’t the girl doing the testing, but the environment.
My brother asked me about the situation. He’s at his local, getting along great with some girl. They’d been yapping for awhile. As I understand, a bartender from the place who my brother knew got off work. He literally and figuratively puts himself right between the two of them, dominating the situation. According to bro, girl is shooting him something like “Help” glances. Bro doesn’t know what to do without coming off ornery and aggressive.
I bring up shit tests because I think that is exactly what happened, in an organic way, and he failed.
What should he have done?
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Assuming she meant help save her from the bartender guy, and not that she was signaling for help from the bartender guy to save her from him (lol hard to tell with your wording):
I like to give the thumbs-up to her lol. Like a “lol way to go you got a real catch on the line, good luck with that ;)” and just sip my beer and enjoy the awkwardness of her suffering thru a lame pickup attempt. He can even take her number if he wants and I’ll give her an “oh ya this is a great plan” nod with a big self-amused grin lol Afterward when he leaves I’ll drop something like “wow so I guess we’d better quit flirting, I mean clearly you’re taken now. I hope you two will be very happy together lol”
This works when she’s giving him the “help me” signal (either with her eyes/face or sometimes she’ll subtly reach back and touch your arm under the table or something) to let him know like “wait I’m stuck in this situ and i’m being polite but I like you and don’t want you to think this guy has a chance, please don’t leave!!”
Often she’ll call you an asshole for not saving her, and I say stuff like “fuck that, I’m not cleaning up your messes. Why don’t you try not being so fucking hot?” and escalate the interaction toward sex.
If she’s NOT signaling you for help, and the guy is a legitimate threat, that’s a whole different (tougher) AMOG battle ball-game…but from your description this wasn’t the case.
(also: there are butthurt guys who would just say “whatever fuck it she can go with him if she wants, I’d Next that bitch for disrespecting me!!!” But I’m posting this because PUAs like to figure out “how could I turn this seemingly impossible situation around…?” more for the mental exercise and expanding our knowledge-base rather than because we desperately need that particular girl)
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Send texts to her as a running commentary making fun of his pick-up. If you don’t have her number, give her your phone with a message “put your number here so I can make fun of this guy while he’s trying to pick you up.” Encourages her to use the phone shield, engages her in a funny conspiracy.
Either that or do things the old-fashioned analog way and engage the literal cockblock. Depending on your mood/drunkenness/skill, your choices are: befriend him, tool him, or beat his face in. “Ornery” has nothing to do with it. Aggression begets aggression. Either you stand up to it or you stand down. “Without coming off as ornery and aggressive” is coward-speak, the usual rationalization for tucking your tail between your legs instead of doing what needs to be done, at very least to maintain your dignity.
The greater danger is presenting yourself as the hero who “rescued” the damsel, which gives her too much leverage too early, so the best option is to be friendly and start “hitting on” him. You don’t have to be too clever or too aggressive or try too hard. Just remind him (and her) that he accidentally is communicating disrespect to you.
If she is sending “help” signals, you’ve already got a willing co-conspirator. Send her cocktail napkin messages: “Brush your hair over your ear if you think this guy is wearing his dad’s shirt/too much Axe body spray/has more than two STDs.” Etc.
Matt
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Cocktail napkin messages? Texts? What do you think this guy trying to hit on her is doing while she’s unfolding napkins and checking her phone? Is he blind? Did he come over and they’re just standing there in silence so she can hear her phone going off in her purse beside her and check it? She’ll read all your txts after the guy leaves because he’s talking her ear off trying to fuck her. Unless she’s the rudest socially aspergy person in the world.
Befriend him = he won’t befriend you, he’s trying to take your pussy.
Tool him = reactive and unnecessary…unless he won’t leave and is trying to escalate things too far crossing the line from entertaining dancing monkey making her feel embarrassed/awkward, to making her legitimately uncomfortable and killing the mood.
Beat his face in = lol. Have you ever even thrown a punch? Enjoy the lawsuit, the destruction of any friendship since his brother knew the guy, and the banning from that establishment and possible a few other others (since bartenders are connected in the nightlife).
Hitting on him? There something you want to tell us, King A? lol
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Like a woman, you niggle over details — which constantly, spontaneously change with the circumstances — rather than grasping the spirit of it. I talk about cocktail napkins, you imagine her unfolding it … and then you focus on all the problems of presented by an imaginary unfolding. The general point was: continue the “help!” rapport if you’re not man enough to confront the blocker.
Your game would not survive a market of scarcity. Which is why you recommend strategies that depend on low-percentages and high volume. If it doesn’t work on this one, move down to the next “set.” Fifty approaches a day, etc. That’s great, but it doesn’t exactly elucidate why any particular method fails.
CoffeeCrazed didn’t need advice on how to be passive and sarcastic — that comes naturally to the omega male.
But I’m weary of spelling everything out for you, who seeks trivial disagreement as a way of establishing your street cred over anyone with the sense to call you out.
Matt
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5 lays for 5 approaches is the ultimate goal of PUA.
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Thanks as always for the game lessons CH.
“[Man X] always gets his girlfriend [Y]. When was the last time you got me [Y]?”
ManX needs his girlfriend a lot more than I need you. In fact you should be getting me some Y.
“Are you a player?”
Nah baby , I’m the coach. ( credit to walawala )
“I have a boyfriend.”
And I have a math test.
“You never listen to me.”
Because that’s all you ever say. *smirk *
“How may girls have you been with?”
I dunno , I stopped counting like a month ago.
“That [X] you’re wearing is ridiculous!”
This is my lucky shirt.
” What’s lucky about it ?”
I’m wearing it.
[CH: These are good.]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/helen-smith/8-reasons-men-dont-want-t_b_3467778.html
In other news, Helen Smith has been told to never submit anything to HuffPo again.
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#1 on her list: men lose respect for becoming husbands and fathers. Who are they losing respect from? The sort of boys who hang out on blogs like this.
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it’s barely worth replying when you read her point no further than the bold, she has plenty of examples there. i see plenty of respect, empathy, sympathy, and actual constructive help here for married men. read through some comments, there are plenty of guys looking for ways to keep their families together on here, and plenty of posts on how best to do that, why it’s important, etc etc etc.
good luck to you, but i’m not sure what you hope to accomplish here. the guys here are here because they have come face to face with feminine nature– and this is one of the few places we can speak honestly about it and deal with it. what your spouting we can find a steady stream of on yourtango already.
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You’re going to have to troll a lot harder than that.
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I don’t think you know what the word troll means.
[CH: So you’re just a garden variety idiot then?]
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Are you maintaining that you do not lose respect for men who become husbands and fathers?
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It depends on the terms of the relationship. Society needs strong men and fathers or we become another third world utopia. Most men fail that test and lead lives of quiet desperation. Most women do not see how men perceive the world nor particularly care. Men gladly share what they earn with women but women only reluctantly do so, if at all.They are also invariably completely unaware of this trait- hence solipsistic. So its a question of does the man lead and does his wife follow and does she love doing so. Women who truly love you make sacrifices of their personal pleasure and comfort for your sake and do so gladly.
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Haha, Heartiste you crack me up
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You are definitely a woman posing as a man (unless, of course, you’re not actually “posing,” but rather hoping we misogynists would ASSUME that Tom was a male name so that you can gleefully chortle to our ignorance and your (moral and intellectual) superiority). Regardless, you’re a broad. Allow me to make a (ahem) broad, disgusting generalization: a man, even a flaming fucking faggot, would never refer to other men as “boys” in the context you used it in above. Calling men “boys” is classic femtalk that is akin to “creepy”: classic female shaming language.
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I heart Helen Smith. She will do a lot for getting MRA/MGTOW/PUA points across to the MSM and spreading the red pill to men who can tell there’s something fishy in the Matrix but haven’t quite figured it out yet, because she’s a chick and she’s well-spoken and all her shit is backed up with data and tons of relatable anecdotes. Even in verbal interviews with tough questions she’s unphased and well-prepared.
Buy her book, it would do interesting things to society if her book hit the Top 10. Also it’s a good read even if the information in it is redundant for us red-pill’ers, you can pick up some good succinct ways of stating your case for those occasional “why don’t you want to marry me?” and “why are you such a player, you should man up and find a nice girl to marry instead of this bar trash” and “dude I’m thinking of popping the question!! Lets get drunk so I can open up about my fears and ask you for advice because I sub-consciously know this is a mistake since she’s a bitchy harpy I complain about all the time and who banged by best friend but I’m going along with marriage because I’m socially conditioned to “do the right thing” without objectively looking at facts!” conversations that come up as you get older.
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If she was really on the right side, she would be Helen Reynolds, not Helen Smith.
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Huffpo no less. And some of the comments aren’t even bashing her.
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“you’re old enough to be my father!”
any takers?
[CH: “Cool. Go to your room.”]
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If I were your father, your mother would sleep under the staircase
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I’ll be your taker, baby.
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But I’m not your father.
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If you are a filthy pervert, the Subway Masturbator is very…understanding.
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Well a 12 yr old can be a father, so what does that mean really?
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“you’re old enough to form opinions!”
Risk: possible butthurtedness
“isn’t it past your bedtime?”
Risk: kind of going into her frame
“MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.”
lol……….
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I’m far too immature for that.
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“Who are you, Luke Skywalker?” (age bracket dependent)
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Great alias. Age bracket wise, you know the first one came out 1977… But even today there are still young kids who like it.
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You’re father wouldn’t do this… (Pick an action, but be bold)
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Good one.
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Thanks. I used this to get the (now) 19 year old I’m banging intermittently. I picked her up at 18 in a grocery store. She’s a good little slut. Admittedly, she’s only HB5 at best, packing an extra 20, but big / firm boobs help make up for it as well.
Fortune favors the bold.
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Who’s your daddy?
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“you’re old enough to be my father!”
So?
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Luke, is that you?
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Here’s the tact I would suggest:
“Are you a player?”
No, I am not.
[CH: Boring. She’s already looking around the room.]
“Give me your number instead.”
Wow. What a great idea. I like the idea of giving you my number instead of having to do everything the old-fashioned way.
[And you’ll never hear from her again.]
“I don’t give out my number.”
I respect that.
[Eunuch battle cry.]
“I have a boyfriend.”
Perhaps you should be with your boyfriend instead of hanging out in a bar full of cheesy pick up artists.
[“Including you?”]
“You never listen to me.”
What?
[Hey, that’s a good one!]
“Do I know you?”
No, but I would be happy to introduce myself.
[*motions for cockblock*]
“How may girls have you been with?”
Three.
[“How sweet!” (I’m too good for him.)]
“What are you looking for?”
I’m looking for a woman a lot like you. Same face, same smile, same confidence. Her name is Emma.
[“Great. Good luck finding her.”]
“Stop staring at me.”
Oh, I didn’t realize I was staring. I apologize.
[Beta.]
“That [X] you’re wearing is ridiculous!”
Thanks for telling me. I don’t want to look ridiculous.
[Pushover.]
“You’re not my type.”
There’s more fish in the sea.
[Eunuch war cry.]
“Come hang out with me and my friends.”
I would love to.
[Three months later: “Meet my platonic friend Tom.”]
“Does this work on other girls?”
It worked on three.
[Sperg.]
“When are you gonna settle down?”
When are you going to be my bride?
[*runs for exit*]
“If you impress me, you might get a shot at this!” [wiggles hips]
That’s not what I’m interested in. I’m interested in a real lady.
[“You sound like my Dad.”]
“What are you doing??”
[“Imploding.”
Tom, your problem is that you don’t know how to have fun, how to tease, how to challenge girls. That’s what women like. You need more fun in your life.]
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Tom the Eunuch’s Guide to Celibacy
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my thoughts exactly lolzzz
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Tom the Celibate
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Hit em with that gentleman game . I too read pride and prejudice once.
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“It worked on three.” Was actually pretty good. Tom, have you ever gotten laid with a woman that wasn’t a Lindy West (AKA Jabba the Feminist) look-alike?
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I was just about to say, he sounds a lot like my most recent ex boyfriend.
If he is of a similar mentality, then yes, he needs your help.
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Lol@ nicoles ex bf sounding like a bitter feminist. I see why you come here.
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Even his nickname among my friends before we started referring to him as “the dead”, was Tom (like from _Dogville_).
He dumped me because I didn’t show sufficient indifference. I tell him, “I want to be a part of what makes your future great…” and he tells me he doesn’t have time for a relationship because of things he knew about me before *he* pressed to make it a relationship instead of just an OW/YM fling.
I laughed at myself for taking him seriously.
He hated on PUA’s and said the guys here were scumbags, but the guys here taught me how to suss out the pussy and the shady. I am forever grateful.
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you sound like Chatbot
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Dr Sbaitso game! Sign me up for a bootcamp.
…the funny part is that a lot of Sbaitso’s inquisitive “and how does that make you feel?” responses would actually go over well with girls. hmm maybe I’ll try typing a girl’s txts into it and using his responses. That would be awesome.
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Tom,you are a top-tier satirist. Good stuff
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Tom’s “Virgins Guide to Staying a Virgin” and “How to live in your mother’s basement and troll internet blogs”
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I LOVE the “player” shit test. My go to-
“No, my mom swore that line would work. Did it?” Or.
No I’m not a player, I’m THE player. I’m just looking for my 100th gf.” Then I’ll roll my eyes.
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I play to win.
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Yawn.
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Open mouth? Prepare for action.
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Any action from you makes the people around you feel drowsy from boredom
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Boredom, chloroform: whatever gets the job done.
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Chateau Proprietors,
I seem to be encountering this shit test a lot lately. Women interrupting me when I’m speaking. How do I correct them without seeming like a butt-hurt beta?
[CH: “Excuse me, I’m talking.”]
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Depending whats your relationship with her,if She interrupts again i would playfully place my hand over her mouth chokehold style then keep talking.
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“Tsst.” Pause. “Don’t be rude”. Continue speaking.
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lol, I just say “what the FUCK is THAT/THIS shit?!” but with a big smile on my face
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I did this recently. By mistake. I was talking to somebody, I was feeling a little nervous and I interrupted him when he was speaking several times. As soon as I had done it I realized what I had done and how rude it was. It played on my mind for several days until I decided to apologize to him, I told him I had been nervous during the conversation and that it was unintentional, I would never dream to interrupt him normally. He seemed very understanding and I felt better after apologizing.
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You are a god with these hypothetical replies. Unexpected, dismissive, arrogant, funny… they hit on every cylinder.
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Re: this tweet http://t.co/4dkQ64oDeY
It’s pretty much a rule of evolutionary biology that if the males are larger than the females this is due to males physically competing for females. So of course men would be more into competitive sports than women
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Men’s sex drive is wired partly through their Amygdala as a remnant of the tournament model of competition for females before humans split off from the other primates.
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I got a 8 inch clit
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[…] Compendium Of Female Super Shit Tests […]
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Im pretty sure a chuckle followed by “Who gives a shit” is an answer that can be given to pretty much every single one of those shit tests. You think to much into these things. “lol”
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I go in for the kiss and grope the tits…
Her: “Why do you do that?’
Me: if I hadn’t made a play for you, it would have hurt your feelings.
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I usually go for more control. Not control as in restrained, I mean ‘control’ over the gal. Not terrifying overt (grabbing with too much strength), just enough to assert ‘dominance’ over her. She could really break free if she wanted to try but, as usual, fortune favors the bold.
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I had met this girl last year and I thought I was screwing things up…
I am 32 and she was 28, a slim brunette. I asked her out for a drink after work and she agreed. She mostly talked about video games, anime, and what she watched on Netflix, so she seemed kinda shy and introverted to me. I took her outside after about an hour and kissed her; she got tense and didn’t really kiss me back. I thought I had moved too fast for her, though later that night I got a message from her saying she “hoped I enjoyed the kiss,” which I thought was cute.
We went out the next week and this time I took her home. We started making out on the couch when she asks me, “Do you always do this?” I asked what she meant and she said, “Do you always bring girls back to your place on the second date and make out with them?”
My response was, “No usually I get them back here on the first date…” with a sly grin. She actually got pretty upset and left. I didn’t get flustered, I didn’t complain or protest, I didn’t take back what I said. I just let her leave. The next day I got a message asking if I wanted to see her again. I figured I was being a little too forward with her and my responses were too harsh, but overall she was interested.
The next week she came over and we had dinner and watched a movie. The whole time I was kissing her and fooling around but keeping it fun and light. When I started getting more aggressive she went with it for awhile, then stopped and asked, “Do you just want me for sex?”
My immediate reply was, “Depends how good you are.” She got mad and left again. Whoops. Too harsh maybe? I was thinking I needed to tone it down a few notches. The next day I got a message from her apologizing(!) and saying she hoped she hadn’t scared me away. Okay, maybe it was all fine. We made plans for the following week.
I’ll also mention that by now she was texting me incessantly. She would send me every random thought that passed into her head, while I barely replied. It wasn’t 3 for my 2, it was more like 5 for my 1.
Our fourth meeting she comes over again and things get hot and heavy right away. I get to the point where I am taking off her clothes and she is loving it. I figure I’m home free now, we’re past the point of no return, right? Nope! She stops and asks me again, “Do you just want me for sex?” I laugh and say, “We’ll see…” but she won’t let it go. She pulls away, crosses her arms, asks very stern and direct, “I have to know your intentions. Yes or no, no right or wrong answer, do you just want me for sex? Please just tell me.”
I was grumpy about being put on the spot like this, and I didn’t have any more pithy replies, so I tell her I’m cool if she feels we’re moving too fast. She says that’s not it, she just wants to make sure I’m not going to “disappear like all the others.”
Wha…? I ask what she means and she starts complaining about all the guys who “fucked her once and never called again.” Oh gee, so much for her being all shy and innocent. She launches into this big rant, saying all guys are just selfish assholes, and that the real tragedy is that none of them cared about satisfying her in bed, none of them made her cum, they all just got themselves off and that’s it.
Holy crap, I had been reading her all wrong. I realized then she was actually fresh off the carousel, frustrated and bitter about all the Alphas who had rejected her. I thought maybe I could use some nice reassuring Beta talk to put her at ease and finally close the deal.
But Homey don’t play that. I had actually lost most of my sexual desire for her at that point, so I told her, “I don’t think there is enough room in my house for all your baggage.” She got so mad steam was practically coming out of her ears, and she stormed out.
I figured that would be the end of it, but the next day I got a message from her saying: “ok let’s be fwb.” Bwahahahahaha! Jerkass lines win every time!
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Incidentally, that’s how Julio Iglesias responded to the question; “Rumors say that you’ve slept with over 3000 women”. Julio: “yeah but that was just this year”.
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[…] Heartiste: Compendium Of Female Super Shit Tests […]
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Just had a thought, would leave it the previous thread but it got killed.
White skin and light features developed for the same reason beautiful plumage develops in every other animal on the planet. Peacocking. White is beautiful, but when a darky male mates with a white woman, the kid is darker and uglier. When a dark woman mates with a light male, her offspring is lighter. Lighter features for men=more poon. More poon for lighter men=more light skinned people. Now, the only trick is, your population needs to be insulated from large influxes of darkies in order for this process to take place. ie ice age Europe.
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Only males peacock to attract females, and white males have slightly darker skin than white females due to testosterone. Not to mention, different races were never meant to live together, so I fail to see why mother nature would make white skin for peacocking if every other guy around you was going to be white. White people are by far the most attractive, but your peacocking theory is stupid as hell.
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LOL
what a shit head.
Listen white guys, your racist theory has to make sense. You can’t just say anything and expect other people to accept it because you are white.
(((shakin my head)))
Not sure what to make of this one?
On the one hand, his lack of color may be a handicap getting tail; but on the other hand, its such a bold move that if he just maintains frame, he should do all right.
There is a lesson here for you butt hurt white guys,
pay attention:
(and just bust a move)
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I’m just going by the reaction of brown women when they see me. They swoon. That’s it. Imagine an isolated enviro for thousands of years. Thousands of years of swooning over the light and bright dude. White male getting more tail = more white offspring.
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I don’t think your skin has much to do with it. You are probably tall, and have a pretty face, broad shoulders, strong legs, a formidable package, and a high, prominent butt, and don’t dress like a homo.
The ass is the engine. A certain shape doesn’t come from the gym.
When a guy is sexually dominant, he’s also not a lazy masturbator, so between the years of mastubating like someone who would actually like to shag real live women, plus actually shagging real live women, the butt takes on a certain shape. It has a “shelf”, dimples, and no jiggle at the base.
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You may be right. I do have a great butt.
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I mean, it is really unusual to see a heterosexual European guy who has that kind of engine in the U.S. So they’re probably surprised. Even muscular bodybuilders can’t really fake that. It’s something that develops specifically from thrusting.
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I’d say it has more to do with Melanin and Vitamin D synthesis.
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“I don’t give out my number” ……suggested answer…..”“I guess we’ll have to rendezvous, the old-fashioned way, like Parisian lovers on the run.”
Better would be…..”Oh really? Let me guess…..1-800-F-R-I-G-I-D” ….then turn and start talking to someone else. Watch her start sputtering and trying to qualify.
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Do 20-somethings even know what frigid means?
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Bored with Mr. Nice Guy
“I really want to find someone that I can spend my life with, but time after time I seem to end up with guys that treat me like dirt. It as if I am a magnet to these kinds of guys. Then, finally, I met a guy who really did treat me like a queen but I just wasn’t attracted to him and things became very boring very quickly. Is there a way I can change my luck so that I can find someone who I like and who is nice?”
http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/483530/jewish/Bored-with-Mr-Nice-Guy.htm
hehehehehhe
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The fact is even if you pass the shit-test you may end up not closing anyway, but I think you have to always take that chance because being the “nice guy” isn’t going to work.
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[…] https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/compendium-of-female-super-shit-tests/#comment-452220 […]
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lol hypergamy strikes again http://www.salon.com/2013/06/26/is_my_fiance_the_right_man/
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Social climber marries simple fuddy-duddy guy. I’ve seen this scenario play out many times IRL. Always ends in tears, and sometimes blood.
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“I’ve got a boyfriend.”
Just reply with a patronizing, “Well, good for you,” and look away at a better looking girl. If she doesn’t respond positively, move on and play the percentages. Life is short.
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How do we know any of these are tests? And why are they called “shit” tests? Maybe the lasses are sincere when they say these things. I’ve always found it’s best to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
[CH: Folks, you can chomp on this stinky bait, but just to let you know, Tom is an admitted troll. However, if you’re jonesing for an amusing distraction, engage at will!]
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I have no trouble running very solid tight game on women… I’m a Natural that teeters the lesser alpha / greater faultline… passing shit tests etc was never an issue… My trouble i’m realizing is really internalizing outcome independence with girls I actually like (I.E. could see myself settling into a brief or longer term monogamous situation with)
I game them all the same basic ways, but I notice with girls I actually like, and give a fuck about, I start doing things for them… cooking for them, get nervous around them, think about them more often. Those are things I do for girls I like, the other girls come and go and I truly don’t give a shit one way or the other if they leave or come or go.
I guess the trick then, is to truly internalize not giving a shit (in a way) ESPECIALLY with girls I like? since that seems to be my hangup.
You wrote something in the rules for Alphas that really hit home with me right now. Something like, “There is nothing wrong with the skillful womanizer drinking from the comfort chalice of monogamy sometimes”… THAT is me. For some reason after 10+ years of womanizing so many women, I’m ready to sip from the monogamy cup for a bit. Slow things down.
Any thoughts?
[CH: It happens to the best of men. But don’t worry, you feel monogamous for a couple of years, and then the feeling passes.]
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also, what’s with everyone giving this Tom troll so much attention? It’s kind of sad to see, actually… 180 of these comments were directed towards him. He’s obviously fucking with everyone.
Some of you need to get your heads straight.
[CH: Sometimes trolls provide springboards to launch into broader discussions. Sometimes they’re funny enough to inspire people’s creativity. Sometimes people are bored.]
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>>>“I’ve got a boyfriend.”
Quote Ice Cube: “BITCH, STOP LYIN’!”
PS: No Fat Chicks.
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“… Dumb ass hooker ain’t nothin but a dyke.”
Classic. Coloured Gentlemen Wit Attitudez were instrumental to my early onset misogyny. And now we Efil4zaggin.
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“Give me your number instead.”
Watch out, this is a beta male trap. Most betas would be relieved that any number exchange is taking place. You, aspiring alpha, know better.
“Sorry, I don’t give out my number.” Then ignore, and request her number again later.
I run into this the most. What do you do if she still says no?
[CH: “Ok then.” Bail. A girl who absolutely refuses to give her # is not very interested. It’ll be like pulling teeth with her if you do manage to get her out on a date. If, otoh, she’s showing signs of interest while refusing to cough up her #, try a different tack. Ask for her email and consign her to your second tier of prospects.]
P.S. What about the question “What are you thinking?” What about that same question just after a shag? ST or not an ST? What’s the proper response?
[Not a shit test. Women ask this question when they feel uneasy about the relationship, or they want to feel emotionally closer to their man after being physically close. Joke around, and gauge her reaction. If “I’m thinking about a ham sandwich” doesn’t get her chuckling, you may need to buckle up for a longer serious conversation.]
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*Sigh*
I can’t believe you guys left out the ultimate super shit test:
“OMG! that is so racist! You hate black people!”
(there are many versions of this, but basically, if you get charged with “hate” and you maintain frame in a clever or funny way…
the pussy is yours.
I don’t know why it works that way; really don’t care either. But it does work.
Warning: don’t try this if you can’t pull it off smoove because you run the risk of looking like a butt hurt loser if you slice it.
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So whats the best reply to weight related, baited questions? I’ve tried every direction and crashed…
eg. Her: “have i gained any weight since last time u saw me? (after bangin)” me: “i dont think so, but it was dark”… never talked to her again.
another one recently… her: “OMG i gained like 2.21 pounds since last summer” me: “damn we gotta ship you off to fat camp pretty soon” her: “that’s not funny, i used to have a eating disorder when i was kid”… gone.
and the last one a few weeks ago, border line chubby (150ish) her: “do u think im big?” me (buzzed, naturally): “just cut back on the carbs at nite and don’t worry about it” her: “ur an asshole” … still wants to bang again, but ive replaced my winter collection for younger, smaller things….
anyone have luck with fat questions that resulted in repeat bangs?
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” anyone have luck with fat questions that resulted in repeat bangs?”
No, but the solution is to stop fucking porkers. It only emboldens them to put on more weight. It’s not helping your self-esteem any either.
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Tonight I will attend a victory party for marriage equality with my fiance and thirty of her best gay friends. As she says, perhaps we can learn something from gay marriages and use it in our marriage. As she points out, “marriage equality” has a nice double-meaning.
The times they are a changin, people. If you can’t lend a hand to the new road, you are just blowing in the wind in the old one.
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most likely pegging
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and the war drums are a-drummin.
we both know its not about the definition of marriage. its about the subversion of Beauty and the subjugation of the Burgeois.
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Felching for Duckbutter, Cream Corn From the Socket of Davis, anal cream pies, fisting, swinging. You’ll just have a gay old time together!
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You had me… up until quoting Zimmerman.
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Meant to add:
You fairy.
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“Are you a player?”
Why? Is that the type of guy you’re into?
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“If you impress me, you might get a shot at this!” [wiggles hips]
I dunno, looks like that’s been shot a few too many times already.
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Stealing this. Granted, it can be hard to pull off if you don’t have the confidence/arrogance to back it up, but the nuclear neg is one of my favorite weapons in the arsenal.
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Here’s how a more subtle approach is performed, and how the resulting shit test is navigated:
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Girls shit testing guys like this is something which pisses betas off so much. They don’t understand why girls can’t act logical and it drives them to frustration and anger.
I find that learning to recognise shit tests and how to deal with them to be a form of emotional therapy for betas. They can start seeing the patterns behind it and find some sort of peace.
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“Stop staring at me.”
My favourite response to this:
“huh? Oh no I wasn’t looking at you, there’s a big spider behind you”
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ultimate shit test in a STR
“how much do you love me?”
Last time I got away with separating my thumb and index fingers a bit and saying. “This much”
Subsequent shit test: “Only that much?”
Answer: “There is always room for it to grow if you deserve it”
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Best response to “all you think about is sex” ??
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I hear that a lot.
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In the immortal words of our host – “own it”.
For one example, above was worthy – “I get that a lot.”
Another idea – “You hate sex?”
Another – the derisive snort looking away with raised eyebrows and no words that clearly states “this discussion is so silly it’s not even going to happen.”
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“Come hang out with me and my friends.”
With a straight face…”Hmmm. Are they good looking?”
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[…] Somehow, I’ve always known of the existence of the shit test. But I didn’t have a word for it prior to the advent of Game blogs. […]
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