Men who’ve lived a day in their lives have experienced it at least once: A girl flaking on them. That last minute cancellation. The sudden suggestion to “meet with friends” instead of one-on-one as originally planned. The call screening. The delayed replies. And the worst flake of them all: The no-show.
But why do girls do it? What’s in it for them?
A reader asks,
When women flake last minute on plans:
Do they understand that making plans and not keeping them is rude but don’t care due to lack or respect?
Or
Do they not even understand that it’s rude because they’ve been catered to since birth?
Or
Do they not think about it at all?
Just trying to get understand the rationale behind flaking…. Anytime I’ve outright asked I end up ruining my chances at sex and not getting a straight answer anyway.
Flaking is best thought of as a physical manifestation of the female psychological (hypergamous, yes) impulse to carefully assess her suitors. It isn’t a logical thought process; it’s entirely emotion-based. When a girl flakes, she may be consciously aware that what she’s doing is bad form, but the trigger for her flaking originates in primal nooks of her brain that evolved to autonomically assist her in identifying and reeling in the highest quality man her looks can get her, while expeditiously and sometimes viciously Heisman-ing beta dreck.
So you don’t fight flaking with logic; you fight it by pushing counteracting emotional hot buttons that subvert the flaking impulse.
Of course, once a woman has flaked, she easily rationalizes her crassness. Telling a girl she’s a bitch for flaking will do nothing but cement her feeling that she was right to flake on you. Subtler tactics are needed.
Do girls flake out of disrespect?
There’s an element of that. A culture which exalts the tinniest farts that escape female buttocks and demonizes the most laudable aspects of manhood certainly contributes to a caustic social soup that encourages disrespect of men.
Do girls lack comprehension of their rudeness?
Not so much, but possible, especially in this age of expressionless social media. When a girl can’t see facial reactions of the betas she disses, unknowing disrespect is easier to accommodate. Smartphones feed shamelessness.
Do girls not think about flaking much at all?
Bingo. Do you think much about why boobs and ass make your penis quiver? No, you just go with where the feeling takes you.
Forget about asking girls for reasons why they flake. Not only will you deep six your shot at sex, but you’ll infect your inner game with a poisonous attitude that hijacks your charming sexiness and replaces it with droning dweebery.
May I suggest instead the next time you feel an urge to dress down a girl for her flakiness, or to inquire earnestly for an explanation that soothes your nerves, you substitute your righteously brimming logorrhea with one word:
“gay”

The reason she flakes?
The transaction doesn’t have much value on her side. She percieves you as lower value or you haven’t shown your value to her yet. You need her more than she needs you.
You have to make her invested in the transaction. I think mystery calls this “building comfort.” Humans are inhernetly selfish at their very core. If they don’t think they are getting anything out of something, they won’t really care to do it unless they are forced to do it. And women are not forced to care about your feelings.
Almost every time i flake it’s because I don’t see myself getting much out of the meeting or sit down.
One thing that cures the flake is the abundance mentaility. By having multiple plates you won’t care if she flakes and she will pick up on that and as a resutl, not flake
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Girls rarely flake on me anymore. It’s weird. I almost encourage them to flake. I always confirm dates and meetings too. Which most peple say to never do because they worry they peson will flake…
My go to line is a text about 1 pm if we are meeting up that night…
“Still looking good for tonight?”
I think it’s counterintuitive, but i almost want them to flake so i can get on with my life. I think they can read that in the text “this guy doesn’t want to me up” which in turn makes them want to meet up more. Odd.
I can’t remember the last time a chick bailed on me.
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Roosh had an essay on “Be happy when she flakes.” Frankly she just did you a favor by not wasting your time. She just saved you money and aggravation. And it is a signal that your efforts are better spent elsewhere.
If this is a true exercise in numbers then weeding out those that are not interested is a blessing. So get it your head right now that you want her to flake. You want to save the time and the money. You want to avoid the insipid bullshit of time with her. You want her to filter herself out of your life without your wasting time and money to do so. And if she does so then you turn on your heel and never look back.
There are two different strategies. One is double booking. Go with who shows up.
The second is set an open time. Say “something on Thursday night. I’ll get in touch with you in the afternoon on Thurs”. Then do not text back. If she gives a shit then she will text you on Thursday and ask about the instructions. If she doesn’t then she was gonna flake.
Then you could use a combo of the two. Who ever shows up with the text, and whoever shows up for the date. It’s not like she isn’t doing to same thing to you.
You owe them nothing. Every morning she gets up and looks in the mirror and has an opportunity to say to herself, “I’m going to be a respectful, considerate person today, and treat the people in my life with dignity”.
But knowing women she will probably say “Naaah”. And be a flake. So you assume she is a selfish bitch until she proves herself different to you. Assume her to be a flake, double book against her, schedule hook up type deals, like a meetup somewhere when she flakes then your plans aren’t ruined and bail on them mentally, and do it early. I spent too much time kicking rocks outside a meeting point only to get fucked over to ever ever waste a minute again.
Think of it like a job interview. If she wanted the job, she would come on time, she would call for directions and verify the appointment and show up with a good attitude for the interview. If she doesn’t ,then she doesn’t want the job. And you don’t want her for an employee.
So pray for her to flake.
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women are governed chiefly by butt and gina tingelelzozlolzozzo
GREAT MEN and thsose who penned da GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN were governemned by HEROIC CODES OF HONORz lzozozoz throughout history men have created CIVILIZATION and the insititution of MARRIAGE based on the MYTH of ONE MAN ONE WOMEN.
asking why women flake is like asking like “why does it rain sometimes in da summerz?”
as we live in a society which attacksz traditional codes of honor so as to transfer assettz form menz to womenz (aka the banker cartel elite who must conevrt tehir fiat worthless debt into physical goodz and peroperty), we live in a society governed more and more by butt and gina tinzizzglelzozo and less and less by da GRETA BOOKS FOR MENZ and the VIURTUOYS SOUL.
this is how da eberenekfieieferz want it as they see WESTERN CIVILIZATION and MORALITY as an affront to their dishonorable quest to conevert qorthless book entries into power and physcial peorperteierzz lzozolzlzoz
and so they deocnstructed THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ
and created a world rueld by BUTT AND GUINA TINEGELZOOZOZZ
and to the degree gamers act so as to inspire BUTT AND GINA TINGELEOZOZLZOZ they too are ruled by BUTT AND GINA TINGELEZOZOZOZOZ but hey i undestertatsnd da need to dip da wick and get da pekcer wet, without losing ones’ life liveliehood, liberty, and happienenesz zlzlzlozoozozzoozo
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GBFM. For the love of god or whatever wooden idol you burn incense to, please use english. You lay this lzlzolz nonsense all over the ‘sphere and it does no service to whatever meaningful ideas you might put forth to the discussion. It doesn’t have to be The King’s English, but your schtick is tedious at best.
Apologies if you are, in fact, some kind of short-bus special needs aspy with a good bookshelf, hacker-level bandwidth, and all the lime jello you can eat while mom’s out shopping. If not, feel free to use grown up words and try to refrain from truck-stop shitter stall hackery. If we wanted to sort through nonsensical hieroglyphics and devolutionary jargon we’d be choking on Jezzie or some other mainstream pukestation. Maybe I’m in the minority with this view, so the “we” should be “I”. In any case: your prose is gay, annoying. You do want to discuss with men, right? Find a new way to be clever, funny, witty, etc. The irony stuff is old hat.
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I have to agree, whatever value is hidden in GBFM posts can’t be worth the 40ft of column space devoted to inane textual diarrhea. Here’s a guy who espouses the virtues of classic literature while typing like a autistic Matrix fanboy. Not trying to hate, but maybe break it down for those of us who can’t decipher lolzzzoligsms.
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r u fucking STOOPIDZ cryo????
what it is is dat u have NEVER READ A GREAT BOOK FOR MAN as you are too busyi buttcockingz pre-ebebenrkkfiedz womenz zlzlzllzoz
The Masculine Imperative
cryo cryo crybaby cryo
is NOT defined
by how many chcix
you buttehxt nor ginasexth
nor is it defined by how big your churchian church is
nor is it defined by
how buff or big you are
but it has EVER BEEN DEFINED
by the HONOR OF YOUR SOUL
how strange that on a Christian Blog for MEN
nobody points out
that the MASCULINE IMPERATIVE
is defined by
JESUS, MOSES
HOMER, VIRGIL
DANTE
but rather so many of ye define it as sex and butethxtzzlzlzlozozlzoz
like the fatherless berneakified fabnboyz they made you into zlzozzlozzz
The Masculine Imperative is not to be confused with the
MAstshcucuccline Buttehxtual IMeperthahive
The Masculine Imperative is THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ
Many churchians here have raged and seethed here against the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.
Well, I would like to invite you to RAGE AND SEETHE against Homer, Honor, Moses, and Jesus here:
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/honor-your-fathers-honor-the-great-books-for-men-read-the-great-books/
Ye can show the world why it is that the West and the Church are declining, and why your future potential wives have been desouled and buttcockedz zlozzolzlozzo. Come one, come all ye Chruchians, and sentence Socrates to death all over again, as yer Fathers did back then.
29 Woe unto you, scribes, Churchians, and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
The renaissance hath begun.
As Athena called Telemachus to adventure–to sail forth and learn the news of His True Father Odysseus, so too does GBFM call upon ye to man up, sail forth, and learn the news of your true Fathers.
Like Hamlet you came of age in a world where your father–THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–had been murdered. Where they had been debauched, debased, bernenekfified out of the fiat-debt curriculum. And just as Hamlet’s Father called upon Him to Avenge his Death and Set the World Right, so too do I call upon all of ye buton-mashing gamersz and manboob betasz churchians to Man Up and Honor Your True Fathers.
Like Odysseus’s son Telemachus you came of age in a house occupied by false suitors trying to buttehxt your mom Penelope alongside your future wife, deosuling her faster than Bill Bennett can gamble away a million dollars in Vegas. You came of age in a home absent of your true Father–Odysseus and THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.
Like Telemachus and Hamlet, you were born to know of your Fathers and do the work of your Fathers, as did Jesus. And like Jesus, you were born into a fallen world occupied by arrogant neeoconth Scribes and Pharisees, lorded over by intellectually-indifferent Pontius Pilates, ruled by mobs (and female prison wardensz lzozlz) who vote to set the murderer free, while sending Jesus to die upon the Cross.
But all of that was then, and This is Now.
Do not fail to Honor your Fathers by neglecting to live for the Classical, Epic Honor that so many of them not only Lived for, but Died For.
Do not turn away from the vast Gifts they bequeathed you with–THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS.
Begin today, begin today, all ye fanboyz mashing buttonz in your single-mom’s basements, all you PUA artsitsz trying to get your occkas wet in sterile bungholez and sterilized ginaholez made sterile by the fed’s before and morning after pillz. Begin today, all my fatherless, ritalin-addicted, gold-farming sons and READ the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.
Learn of the HONOR of your FATHERS form Achilles and Moses on down. The tiny-cckcoaaks white-knighting Churchians will scowl and stamp their feet and scream at you that Jesus cam to Abolish the Law, while Jesus himself stated that He came to Fulfill it.
When you were a child ye partook in childish things–in mashing buttons in your meaningless videogamez.
But now that you are a Man, it is time to Man Up, which does not mean marrying a babebrnekified beenrnakified butethxted, desouled, single monz, but reading THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.
Begin today my firendz. BEGIINZ TODAYZ.
I propose that a renaissance in the Great Books and Classics is needed so as to re-instill a more traditional Code of Honor which will enrich the lives of men, women, and children, and liberate us all from the debt-financed debauchery, deconstruction, and debasement.
All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest:
0. THE BIBLE
1. Homer’s Iliad
2. Homer’s Odyssey
3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
4. Virgil’s Aeneid
5. Socrates’ Apology
6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
7. Plato’s Repulic
8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
9. Aristotle’s Poetics
10. Dante’s Inferno
11. The Declaration of Independence
12. The Constitution
13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
15. Newton’s Principia
16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
26. THE BIBLE
And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*.
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I’ve read at least half the books on your list.
I don’t hate you, you just make bizarre claims that don’t make much sense. Like saying this is supposed to be a Christan blog when that’s never been stated by anyone ever.
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lzozozozzo
DA GBFM AM NOT AN ASPYZZ!!!!!
lzozozoz
when i was littlez in school
dey put me in a class for
da gifted artisticz studentz
only on the door to da classroom
the IDITOSZ misspleessledz artisiticz as
autisticz
lzozozozozozozozo
the dumb dummmy fuckersz couldn’t diststuguish
between an r and a u
so da gbfm said
ru fukcing stooooopid!! R U!!!!
and da gbfm got snet to da assitantz princicpelsz officez
lozozzoz when i was in third gradezz i axsked my teacher, “what is da federal resevre?”
she sent me to da princicple!
so i asked him, “is it federal? is it a governemnt entity? is it a reserve? does it actaully have any moneyz or does it just create debts an dbruened da eoplz taxpayer with them lzozzlzoz?”
he sent me to the uspeirnetdenient
so i asked himz “what gives them the moreal authorty to crate out of thin air that whihc i must labor for, and give it to tehir firendz to deocnstruct westetern civilzizioaatonz?”
he send me to the chool nurse who prescievedbed me ritalaizinz and addeoeorloozlzozl lotass pillz lzozlzl for asking stooooopid quetsuzonzznz znzozlololzo
so i aske dteh nurse, “how is it that the cenrtal bank can create debt out of thin air and den cgahagr inetrest on it funding wars and fmeinsisnzmz and bostionrtoonz? and aborititonz? and why do christians never speak out agianst abortion, nor sosodomy, nor the detah of marriage and fatherhood? Why do chcistians instead kneel down before game, as if moisisntening buttcocked womenz’ gina walls is the greatest glory higher dan chirst ieven? lzozlzlozoozo?”
and the school nurse injected me with a ritalin addeorlloololzolzoz cocktail
and it felt good goodd godod and made me go lzozozozlzozlzl all dayz longz zlzlzlzoozlz
and ever since den
i talked like thiss and shsook and shaked when i typex d zlllzozlzozl as i get eixicieted dat i see and hear and see thingsz that noboy else see nor hears
for tehy are of little fiath lzozlloz
but jesus jeusus he saves me
and tellz me dat while the gamerz win on erth in moisuienetig da ssoccked buttcoked women’z gina wallsz with tehir lies and decpetions and degradgations
christ tells me dat my ideas win
in his kingdom of ideealz idealz
and dat is da story of da GBFM
since yu akeskekd lzozozlozz
have a niczozoe day!! lzozlzolzoz
i am with oyuyo alwlaolzlzlzozlzzlzooaalayayzzlozzlozzlzo
me and ross douthathyt douthahatzlzozlzzozzlzassahatzasshatlzozlzozlzozzlzozlzo
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when i was littlez in school
dey put me in a class for
da gifted artisticz studentz
only on the door to da classroom
the IDITOSZ misspleessledz artisiticz as
autisticz oh my gosh
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hahah, +1
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Laz: I learned a long time ago just to skim past GBFM’s stuff. He throws an epic retard-tantrum any time anyone points out how headache-inducing his crap is. Just ignore him as you would a small child making noise to get attention.
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tahanzk you for all da attentionz and kid thoughzt!!!
da GBFM ios da one whoz cockaksks getsz all da tightz bpusysysysys before youz zllzoozlozozozozoz
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lol
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I absolutely love GBFM’s posts; my favorite commenter here, in fact.
A bit of lozloling helps the red pill go down.
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No, Mystery calls that building attraction. Confort comes later. Comfort without attraction = friendzone.
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lzozoozozozozozo
3 EZ STEPZ: How 2 Handle FLakesz and Flakey Flakerz in da ERA of da TEXT MESSAGE attention whorez zlzlzozozz
dis is from hearteites blog on FLAKEY FLAKE ERA WE LIVEZ IN where everyone flakes zlzozozoozoz while da gbfm sits at home and waits for da chcix who cflaked flaked on your asssss lzozozzolzolzol:::
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/the-age-of-flakes/#comment-38162
how 2 counter da flakey flakesz in THREE EZ STEPZ
1. 9 PM: da gbfm sends out a mass text 2 all my ladies:
“lotsa cocksa 4 u lzozlzlz.”
da gbfm then gets back dozens of messages:
lol
wtf
ok
haha
???
kewl
wat?
2. da gbfm waits and hour and sends out to everyone again:
10 PM: “srry wrng #”
da gbfm then gets back lotsa texts
awwww
lol
too bad
u got my hopes up
damn you
ur loss
3. da gbfm then waits ’til midnight and texts to everyone:
12 Midnightz: my place 30 min.
den da gbfm sits back and watches the parade arriving on his door camera monitor while he watches da espn highlights and reads homer’s odyssey. ding-dog ding-dong they ring da gbfm bell one by one hoping to touch da gbfm’s ding-dong zlzozozzozololzollzo but if they are under an 8 da gbfm just ignorez & reads his boookz zlzozoolzz
at 1 am a hot hottie shows up and da gbfm hits the buzzer and lets her up.
da gbfm saves lotsas times and money while the betas liquor her up at the bars and da gbfm gets to hang out with homer instaead of goldidggers and douchetard boobie-men manboobz at all the clubs these days lzlzllzlzl
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do nottry this on your own as da GBFM needz you out there buying them drinkz all night and getting them dinnerz as i don’t want no hos eating my puizzaaa and heinekinz beerz!!!! we all have our part in this so please please respect yo!!!!! lzozolzolozzzz
lozozozozozo
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srsllzolzozlzozlozlzozlz dis is why da gbfm is god not biomechanics heartiste lozlzolzozlzozlozlzozlz
BUT GBFM lzolzozlz
Where do you find new pussy?!
CH – men and women flake for the same reasons:
[CH: Men don’t flake nearly as often as women do. This is primarily a female thing.]
they care or they don’t. high smv women don’t care – don’t get mad and you can try again later. if they’re flaking strategically then they care, and so they’re already attracted.
[The girl who flakes was interested enough to hand over her number. What happens is that the leads go cold. Or, to put it in RSD terms, the girl’s buying temp lowers. When a day or more has passed, a girl will begin to rethink her assessment of the man she met and gave her number to. In this interim the odds of flaking rise dramatically. Girls do this rethinking because it’s in the nature of female sexuality to diligently screen for the highest quality man they can get, and to avoid any romantic entanglement with less worthy men. So sometimes their hamsters outpace reality and preemptive action is taken.]
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lzozozozo
remember dat 80% of all divorces are initiated by womenz as womenz lsisten primarily to tehir butt and gina tingeleozozozo and vows mean nothing to them.
those societies whihc place matriarchiaes and womenz at the center of their worlds never transcenedned da base female butt and gina tingelelzozozo–they never invented cars nor computers nor disocvered electctricicty nor the atom, because womenz giana and butt teiznzgleolozo tingzlzlo were set off by thigsz and buttehxtheteteras and sectriev tapers of butetehxtzz.
one can witness this happeingz in any english department where womenz are presentz.
as soon as they get tehre all teh GRETA BOOSKZ FOR MENZ are edeocnstructed–all the honroo and peotry and exlated psieirirt and soul are tossed out da winedwosz, and one is left with ginatalk gin gina gina gender me me eme vicctime cvicicimt butt ingle gina tingel clit lit twat talk lzlzozoz butetehxing buetetxhting.
this is WHY THE FED empowered womenz–to detsory poretryr righstz and hgonro and da code of honor as the fED and WOEMZNZ cashe dout on maiiririrage gutting it of its soul as they tejprrorarily prrofieted via dicorveerce and alilaomaoenies and shicicldd support and drugged the fatherleless chcieldnderz up and deumdbded tehm downenenz zlzlzozozoozzozozooz
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a womanz maxim:
NEVER SAY YES TO A BUTTHEXTING DATE IN THE AM AS SOMEONE BETTER MAY CALL YOU IN THE PM FOR BUTTHEXTING. lzozoozz
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i. Sure maybe. Seems like the rules have changed quite a lot in most places over the past decade. Changes in communications have significantly altered norms around making plans, ect.
ii. See we don’t really disagree. If you just change male preference for youth and BWH ratio and female preference for alpha attitude/beta bucks to “relationally constituted” desire – we’re pretty much saying the same thing. Human desire is hypergamous – not just the female sex. We’re always looking for the next best thing. “Buying temperature”, or desire, shifts according to a number of factors that could be in play. Maybe the alpha bro who gives her great d just got back in town and he told her to bring the movies – guess what new guy who might be a needy loser who just approached her yesterday – you just got flaked on. However, if you’re the best apparent deal in town, you’re going to get a chance.
The greatest enemy – women and men alike face is themselves and each other – after that it’s boredom.
Whoever has the greatest apparent being – to her – will always be the thing that her desire fixates on. Just the same as it is for men. Apparent being for us is simply more superficial and easier to identify. What we do here is a bit like hacking desire – we attempt to trick it into fixating on us, and then once there, we know how to maintain it by feeding it the fuel that it needs to cumbust upon. Any ‘aspiring alpha’ knows that the value of an object grows in proportion to the resistance met with in acquiring it, and so we project indifference and scarcity in order to increase our own apparent being to appear attractive to the other.
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It’s funny that b/c of women’s flaky and hypergamous tendencies in the dating market today you are practically forced to date multiple women and always be out, which eventually screws women over b/c no man commits to them. Almost like they do themselves in… pretty funny I think!
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> “pretty funny I think!”
Pretty funny right up until all these girls are early 40s-ish hags, with sagging boobs and crows’ feet and maybe 12 to 18 months remaining on their biological clocks before the menopause hits and overall shit-for-a-total-fertility-rate amongst them.
Then it isn’t funny anymore.
Then it’s Death of a Civilization.
Which is precisely what the Frankfurt School wants.
PS: The idea of going out on a date with a chick who doesn’t even bother to show up strikes me as almost beyond surrealistic.
Are you guys really seeing behavior like that out of these cunts?
Good grief.
No wonder you’re so cynical.
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Shane you forgot to include the single moms.
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Depends on how many children they’ve pushed out.
I’ve got infinitely more sympathy for the 43-year-old single Mom with three white children than for the 43-year-old Ivy-League-edumakated white career woman witch with zero white children.
One of them is doing everything in her power to preserve our civilization, while the other is doing everything in her power to destroy it.
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You have a point. Still I’ll pass on the single moms, you can have my share and help them sustain our civilization.
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Pushing out babies does not preserve our civilization if they end up huffing paint under a bridge. Strong families preserve civilization; single moms not so much.
Point is, rising single momhood isnt funny either; also what the frankfurt school wants.
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V – I don’t disagree with anything you’ve written.
However, 3 redneck white children in the Southeastern USA, living with their single Mom, beats the hell out of 0 white children living on Martha’s Vineyard or Sausalito or the San Juan Islands.
Or “not” living, as the case would be.
As long as we are getting some white children from somewhere, then there is still some hope that some semblance of civilization can be preserved.
But no white children = no civilization.
Plain and simple.
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‘Single mothers’ undermine society you dummy.
Have you read ANY social science books, articles, or essays…ever???
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Gracian – I don’t disagree with anything you’ve written.
But, again, without white children, there is no hope for any possible society at all.
Three white children living with their single Mom out in flyover country are infinitely better than this:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=introduction+to+idiocracy
A long-term stable marriage, never ending in divorce, until-death-do-us-part, which looks like
Ivy League White Father X Ivy League White Mother = 0 Children
is a recipe for extinction.
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This is true but they did it to themselves… not our problem… we are just adapting to the environment!
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Yep. Their behavior teaches men to keep many irons in the fire and to ruthlessly smash any lurking oneitis. Of course, once the guy has learned that…why would he get married?
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“you are practically forced to date multiple women and always be out”
This is something so strange to me that in America there is such a casual attitude towards dating more than one person at once. Like a woman talking with more than one guy at the same time, both being love-interests. If people did that here they would really never admit to it. One time one man from New York asked me if I was married and I told him no, I asked if he was and he said “No, just seeing a couple of people, nothing serious”. I was thinking wow, a couple of people..and he’s actually admitting that to me. It’s crazy.
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That’s why I can’t understand the conservative rage against gay marriage. Might as well let them get married, who the hell else wants to these days?
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Are you like legitimately retarded or something?
Marriage is defined as between men and women. Homosexuals have no use for it. This is just a ploy by liberals to stick it into western (or eastern) culture itself.
I mean, why not allow marriage between siblings? (and no, impregnating your sister doesn’t inevitably lead to birth defects)
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yes they HATE WESTERN CIVIZLZIATIZONZ lzzozoz and now take revengez zlozzo
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How old are you? Are you married?
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I am 23, and no I am not married.
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Roughly where are you geographically?
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I am in Cyprus. Do you know it?
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But who knows if I will stay here, I don’t have immediate family left here now. I just do my voluntary work, and I iron clothes and cook and clean to get by.
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Cyprus did some funny things recently. The stuff with the banks, trying to get money from Germany becuase of WW2.
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It wasn’t because of WW2 to my knowledge.. EU were supposed to bail us out or the banks were going to collapse. But Germany said no why should we bail them out, our banks were bloated and they were saying it was mostly dirty money from gangstas and money launderers. So they didn’t want to give a bail out unless they taxed the bank accounts of the Cypriot people too. It’s ok now but most people are broke
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“I am in Cyprus. Do you know it?”
The island country in the Mediterranean?
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Yes..it’s a beautiful small island.
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“Yes..it’s a beautiful small island.”
Well duh. I’ve always wanted to visit.
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Yes you should it’s nice. The only problem now is the economic situation here is not great, also lack of available work. But for tourists it’s great.
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“The only problem now is the economic situation here is not great, also lack of available work.”
Sounds like this place I know.
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I’ve just moved back to Cyprus after eight years in the UK. Had forgotten how awesome it was!
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Wow Alex! Which part?
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Paphos!
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Oh thank you so much. I will look for the E-book and read.
I don’t have restrictions on where I can go, I have a European passport I can live anywhere in Europe. I spent some time in Dominican Republic in my younger years, my Father bought property there. So I have seen different cultures and always keep my options open about if I will go to another country.
But I am confused, if this blog is anything to go by, most American men are not interested in marriage? Just in “game” and having lots of different sexual conquests. I don’t know if that guy was interested in me, it seemed he was enjoying very much “playing the field”, I wanted no part in that. Regarding bagging a millionaire, this is not important to me, I would like to be financially secure so I can have children but I would prefer a man who is a good, real man who is interesting, who has less money than a rich man with a life-less personality.
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At first Cyprus rejected the levy because most were hoping Putin was going to come to the rescue. LOL.
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I think finding a man who is willing to admit interest in marriage is difficult here. But there is also considerable bravado. This blog represents a small percentage of men, less than 5% I would guess. However, most here understand women and are of well above average intelligence as well. I think a number of fairly famous people read this blog. It is slowly creeping into the greater culture. I’m just not sure you would like America. It would depend on where you live. America is a different cultural world from Europe. We “do not worship our ancestors” as it was put in the Oliver Stone film, Heaven and Earth. It is an intense and heavy film but ultimately very inspiring as its a true story. Highly recommended. Among much else, It shows a young Viet Namese woman’s impressions of America as a war bride.
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Wow Ben, famous people! Like who? This is exciting. But would famous people really need to know these things? Wouldn’t fame make a man immune to flaking and rejection?
I think I am the type of person who doesn’t mind living anywhere as long as I feel safe and I have the basics in life, food, shelter and clothing. Other things are a bonus, of course. I am pretty adaptable. I also love to watch people from different cultures and observe their ways and mannerisms, I find it so interesting. It’s a sad thing that a man is unwilling to admit he wants to marry, what is a woman supposed to do, propose to a man? I will die a spinster if that is the case as I would never do that.
I will try to get hold of Heaven and Earth so I can watch it.
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BTW I have noticed many men of other cultures admitting they want marriage very soon after meeting a woman. Without courtship, they are just sure they want the woman in question if she displays that she cook and clean and is also good-looking.
[CH: Paradise by the Dashboard Light game.]
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he was trying to DHV you, Americunts only want a taken guy
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what is DHV?
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FInd and read Mystery’s original e-book. It is a genius work which includes integration of evolutionary psychology and pragmatically derived social techniques. All guys like Heartiste deeply hate him, as he was the biggest genius of all this PUA stuff since Ovid.
By the way your looks and humility make you a smoking hot item in a romatic wasteland like America, you should come here and bag a religious beta millionaire or something. But raise the kids out of Consumerland. And stay away form the sociopaths and Spergs like us here.
Just the fact you’re here is a bad sign, like a moth heading to a flame.
I remember the only time I was in prison, the veteran jailbirds were trying to scare me and told me “Going to jail is a way of life, once you get into these places you’ll always come back.”
DHV means “display high value”. He was trying to show you he was in demand and strongly suggest he was having sex with other women, because women in American loathe and fear guys who will fall in love with them. Thus he was trying to show he was “hard-to-get”.
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To me too and I’m actually American. I can’t believe these stories about women being so rude. How hard is it to nicely say you’re not interested in someone. Sounds to me that a very easy way to set yourself apart is to…show up on time? Do what you say you’re going to do? Gosh, when did this become abnormal?
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“The reason she flakes?
The transaction doesn’t have much value on her side. She percieves you as lower value or you haven’t shown your value to her yet. You need her more than she needs you.”
I agree with the overarching theory here but I’m going to add something else.
Too many guys use the number as a means of fucking the girl. I’m speaking within the context of going on Day 2s and the girl flakes so take this:
Setup some kind of plan with the girl and use the phone as an means to that end. Not the other way around. I’ve been trying this out again after I went through a Humber collection phase and I think it’s valid. Try to confirm a date or meet up then and there and then “exchange” numbers as an afterthought.
Too much weight is put on the number itself. Girls give out their numbers ALL the time. How many of you try to setup concrete plans and then get her number. Insert some qualifiers in the plans.
“You’re not allergic to Tequila are you?”
“What part of the city do you live in? Oh you live in xyz, I live in zxy. What a shame, I don’t do long distance anymore but we can meet halfway”
“You’re not high maintenance are you? You seem down to earth”
1) intent
2) screen/qualify
3) setup plan
4) exchange numbers
Run your text game as you see fit. I’m speaking to the context of a early-stage intermediate who has gone on a fair share of day 2s and is noticing patterns.
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“Too many guys use the number as a means of fucking the girl.”
A phone number is a failsafe. You go for the insta-date and push for the same night/day lay. Always. If you CAN’T, then you make a solid time bridge and take the number specifically as a way to follow-up on that time bridge and follow it through. It’s a last resort, not an end goal.
“Too much weight is put on the number itself. Girls give out their numbers ALL the time. How many of you try to setup concrete plans and then get her number. Insert some qualifiers in the plans.”
This. See my comment in moderation below for more.
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Like I said below, I flake (and I’ve done it many many times in my life) because I’m not that interested. If a guy hits on me out of nowhere, it’s easy for me to tell him forget it and that I’m not interested. I do it every day to 5 or 6 black and Hispanic dudes anyway.
But if a guy comes up to me at a party or in the gym and seems educated and articulate and makes an effort to have a reasonable conversation with me, I just can’t tell him to his face that I’m not interested (this is not a problem now- now I just refuse with the ‘I have boyfriend’ card). But I won’t use that excuse with people that are even kind of in my social circle because then I might be caught in a lie or something.
So, I accept the date and flake last minute. Then maybe he won’t feel as rejected because he’ll think I’m some bipolar chick or something. If I flake last minute, he can blame the situation on my craziness and not his own inadequacy, right? So, this is easier for me because I don’t have to reject someone point blank.
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“I do it every day to 5 or 6 black and Hispanic dudes anyway.”
lol
Anyway, your whole reasoning is flawed. Most guys would rather you just be direct with your rejection so they can move on with their lives.
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Are you sure? Seems like it would chink their egos more. I figured annoyance was better than flat out rejection.
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To a beta, it is more than just annoyance. It is crushing disappointment laced with self-doubt.
Imagine I seduced you, took you home, made you feel beautiful. You shed your clothes, I give your body a cursory glance, shake my head, and say “eh, changed my mind”.
lol, I think I might try that
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Done that. Was a little awkward, but probably less so than the alternative.
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Also, I almost do not at all shit test. I also have a very open personality if you make non-superficial comments. Like things beyond “wow, it’s been hot lately” and “where do you work?” Hence, if you are in a situation where it is impolite for me to outright ignore you (which is what I do the rare days when I am in a bar), I will end up in an intimate conversation with you. So, after we’ve taken turns sharing our hopes and dreams, it’s a bit awkward for me to say “no, you can’t have my number. I don’t want to hang out with you.” After all, some guys invite you to group events when you give your number, so maybe he’ll be content to be my friend. So, I give out my number.
But then no, the guy asks me out on a date and not to a group thing, but I don’t really want to do that. I don’t have the gumption to say no or throw random shit tests at him, so all I got is that sneaky little sucker punch, the flake.
Look, you have to have something that deflects guys. Either you have shit tests and flaking or you can treat every guy you’re not into like I treat 17 yr old black kids that hit on me.
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“Done that. Was a little awkward, but probably less so than the alternative.”
Let me guess, pulled a fatty and had a change of heart last second? 😉
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Why imagine such a counter factual?
Oh also, I don’t outright reject because I can’t keep a dude on the backburner like that.
A guy might get super pissed at the time of the flake but my experience has been that they keep trying a little and that they are receptive if you ever do call them back.
That guy I don’t want today could lose 30 lbs and be a guy I wanted next year. Who knows the future? Only facebook can tell.
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“Oh also, I don’t outright reject because I can’t keep a dude on the backburner like that.”
Yeah, this is standard girl-game. At least you’re admitting it now. Just a moment ago you were trying to convince us that you were concerned about bruising male egos.
Mind you, I’m not trying to change your ways, just pointing out the flaws in your “logic”. High-value men with game would never even give you the opportunity to put them on the backburner anyway.
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Its both motivations. Some guys I have little or no desire to keep on the backbiurner. The flake is merely the less confrontational rejection.
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Haha. Too funny. I don’t think I’d even remember you had flaked. So if you called me up and I was free, who knows? Girls are so interchangeable.
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+1
When I first started out, I enjoyed people who were ‘polite’ or whatever, but honestly….these days, if there’s 0 chance…just backturn me hard and tell me to fuck off lol. Don’t waste my time.
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I flake on bitches all the time, maybe that helps me not take it so personal when they flake on me.
Two most common reasons a bitch flakes.
1.) No attraction, not that interested.
2.) Is currently banging some other guy she is into.
I bet those two reasons make up 99.1% of the flaks.
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‘So, I accept the date and flake last minute. Then maybe he won’t feel as rejected because he’ll think I’m some bipolar chick or something.’
Nope. He’ll think you are a low value piece of work and, if he is in your social circle, you probably don’t want the awkwardness of doing this. You are better off rejecting someone point blank rather then doing this.
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agree with cryo. i’d rather not have my time or energy wasted to begin with.
and besides, if you tell me to my face directly, i can still blame it on your craziness. i already know im not inadequate, you dont know me at all, and we already know about your craziness.
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Women: always choosing what is easy over what is right.
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I was going to explain flaking, since all the guys seem to be missing the simple explanation… and then we got it from the horse’s mouth.
The girl is “too polite” to tell the guy she’s not interested, so she accepts the date so as to “not hurt his feelings”…. then, once she doesn’t have immediate accountability in a face-to-face situation, she just gives him the brush.
Good thing she was such a nice person initially, eh? LOZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZLZLZ
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dregs, I’m not supposed to agree with you, ever. But femx is so narcissistically obnoxious i have make a ONE-TIME exception and say “you’re right.” Eeeew.
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Awfully white of you.
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And there lies the fundamental flaw of ALL women.
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not bipolar, worse–rude.
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Do you have an absurdly large cameltoe in that pic or is it the fold of the underwear
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I’ve been told i have the former but not sure what’s happening in the pic.
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You truly don’t realize how “typical female” your thought process is – NEXT.
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“gay”, “lame”, and “right” have all been pretty dependable.
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“Gay” has the right level of apathy/condescension/vagueness… but is there an alternative for us guys living in areas where anything resembling homophobia turns you into a pariah(EG, Bay Area, Portland)?
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Agree that “gay” is of limited utility. A suitably pithy substitute might be the verbal eyeroll- “whatever”. Apart from its association with tween girls, wich is an issue, it conveys disinterest, outcome-independence, and judges all at once. If a girl flakes, then: “whatever, babe”. Then total radio silence. Hamster puts on the running shoes.
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Never fear, I love saying ‘gay’ around uber liberal types. When they call you out on it, just calmly smirk “No, no….I mean gay as in queer and queer as in odd.” 100% disarm rate.
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Yeah or you tell them to go fuck themselves.
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Call her a “straight marriage supporter.” I think that should convey a suitable amount of disdain in those areas.
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Girls beat the homophobia drum much more than they actually care about it. And if she says something like “Omg, that’s so homophobic” Just go straight back to “Gay” Worst case scenario is you shatter a progressives inclusive worldview.
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this is true. be unshakeable, even when swimming in the dangerous seas of political correctness. women worth fucking don’t really give anything more than a surface-level shit about politics, etc. they’re too hot and life is too fun to really invest more energy than surface-level energy on those sort of topics. it is the ugly, feminist types that are (far) more likely to make their belief structure a fundamental part of their identity. again, a hot chick already has an identity: hot chick.
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Good. I didn’t want to get you pregnant.
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I’d say “you’re in the penalty box.” It’s a way of punishing without seeming butthurt. She might then text you back wondering what being in the penalty box entails. Then game as usual.
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Yep. Move.
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The best reaction to a flake is no reaction
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This is where pick up artists get it backward. When a woman behaves rudely, well, it’s usually best not to say anything, since men act rudely all the time without ever getting called out on it. But if she behaves rudely and hurts your feelings, you have a legitimate case to prosecute.
One time this girl named Emma stood me up. It was a Friday night. We were to meet at a sushi joint, but she never showed and I sat there for two hours at the bar, drinking saki and ripping pees from their pods. I texted Emma about six times asking where she was but she didn’t respond. Finally I decided to let her have it. I called and left a lengthy voice mail. I told her that she was a fucking bitch and that I hoped she got raped in an elevator.
I hope that bitch learned something but I have no idea.
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“But if she behaves rudely and hurts your feelings, you have a legitimate case to prosecute.”
OKAY
” It was a Friday night”
This doesn’t look like it will end well.
“We were to meet at a sushi joint”
Uh-oh let me guess
“but she never showed”
Yep, I saw it coming
“and I sat there for two hours at the bar”
Feelsbadman.jpg
“I called and left a lengthy voice mail”
Oh God, why
“but I have no idea.”
The only part I agree with
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Tom the Democrat, you suck.
I hope this is a troll. Otherwise, leave your shitty advice elsewhere. Emma played your ass; instead of finding some new poosy in a target-rich environment like a sushi bar, you spend 2 hours sitting around like a dumbass and leave a butthurt voicemail that she and her roommates undoubtedly replayed over and over that night while making fun of you– that is, if they weren’t getting plowed out by some dudes that had a modicum of game.
Step your game up before leaving any other comments.
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He is a troll, see the Compendium of Shit Tests entry.
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That’s it I am now fully convinced that Tom the Democrat is CH trolling his own blog for shits and giggles
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we know its a troll. Im with YeahOkCool; its a passive agressive female troll. Or a hermaphrodite.
“rude”? does any self-respecting man use that word in sincerity?
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“I texted Emma about six times” … “Finally… I called and left a lengthy voice mail.”
gay
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“I called and left a lengthy voice mail. I told her that she was a fucking bitch and that I hoped she got raped in an elevator.”
LATER SHARE ELEVATOR.
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TO SAME FLOOR.
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Hey, Tom… yeah, I’m talking to you, asshole… who told YOU that you could forum converse with MEN… you fuckin’ child… you idiot…
You fairy.
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Since when were pick up artists real men? Yeah, you might have a sexual strategy for getting close to women, but so do the gays. In fact, it sounds like the ideal PUA way to act is basically how the gays act. And like PUA’s, gay men fuck women sometimes too. It doesn’t make any of you men.
A real man respects women and doesn’t dress them down unless they’ve asked for it. Which is exactly what I did in the anecdote above.
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I’m curious how long you’re planning to keep up this act? Unless it isn’t an act wink wink.
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Of course it’s an act. He obviously thinks Democrats are a bunch of choads. Which they are.
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Since when were pick up artists real men?
Well, ya got me there, kid. Touche’. 😉
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nice return salvo, Tom!!! you’re dumb but here that is a step above most of us!!
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Since when were sackless demotards real men. Come on CH this has got to be you baiting your own commenters, the continual spouting of leftish mantra is to close to the language that you use as examples from the cathedral. This is a grotesque of your own making surely.
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If this were baseball, they’d call him out for “making a travesty of the game”.
Actual rule. 😉
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“A real man respects women”
at least he didnt say womyn
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He said “Tom”
*sniggle*
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I can distinctly remember many instances in which I was doing so well with an HB at a bar/club/café/whatever, went home with her number thinking I was the shit, and then never even got a response when I tried to follow up later. Then I stopped going for numbers and went for same night lays whenever I could, logistics be damned. You really have to just act before her hamster intervenes. Boldness goes a long way.
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I’ve been flaked on enough to where it doesn’t bother me as much as it use to, but yeah it still sucks if you were really into the girl and you had these aspirations and nervousness that come with going on a date with a fresh
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Most of the time I’m into a girl, it’s because I know a part of her is into me, too. Is this how it is with you, or is it just too early for there to be an indication at that point?
They flake on me either because I was half-assed in our interaction, and meeting up with me sounds about as exciting as meeting up with a cousin you haven’t seen in 20 years, or I planned the meetup one day too far into the future.
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Be the flaker, not the flakee.
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They flake because they can.
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What would James Bond do in the unlikely event a girl flaked on him? John Wayne? Dirty Harry ?
[CH: Shoot her with a pen gun.]
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I don’t know, but here’s what Cpt. Kirk would do (while wearing a bra no less).
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lol, I forgot about that last part.
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While I can’t be sure how often other girls flake, I suspect that I am flakier than most. As for the reason that I flake- I’m not that into him.
So, the question we must pose next is why did I accept a date with a guy if I wasn’t that into him?
1. I might have thought about giving him a chance for a second
2. The more likely response is that I accepted the date just to get the guy to stop blowing up my cell with texts. It’s simple- yes, I will go out with you next Tuesday. Tada! No more texts till Tuesday! Then Tuesday comes and 1 hour before the date- I don’t feel like having dinner now. Tired. Can you reschedule? Maybe I’ll get around to that…they get the point. It’s a cowardly mealy mouthed way of “dumping” a guy who is fairly aggressive in pursuing you without directly telling him that you are not interested.
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If a girl flakes, you’re still a beta.
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“Can you reschedule?”
Hah. Hilarious.
How ’bout, “Nah. Seeya.”
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I meant they askme that. And I say let me see…
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How about “I’m busy that night”. One or two of those and you’re done.
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A lot of guys who’d give you shit for this don’t understand just how persistent/annoying a desperate guy can be. Even a Nice Guy. They will never ever ever give up if they think they have an inkling of a chance and even if you flat out refuse them they’ll still keep trying but switch to apologizing or begging forgiveness or getting angry. It’s like trying to get rid of the herp. Girls send me convos between them and other guys all the time making fun of them.
Your #2 description there is a natural response to these guys…it results in the least hassle/awkwardness (face to face) and most peace for you, in the long run.
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Lord, I could show you things. I mean 30 indifferent monosyllabic responses in a row can sometimes do nothing to dissuade. I have told guys that they are ugly, that I don’t ever think of them etc and still they blow up my phone with attempts to get it.
[CH: When a dude is that persistent, it means he doesn’t think the girl is out of his league. Calling him ugly won’t even help in that situation. He’ll just think you’re playing hard to get lol.]
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Ya, one of the things I’ve noticed when girls send me those txt screenshots is that with me their txts are long and well-written because that’s how I txt and they’re attracted. Then the txts to other guys are like “baby you’re so beautiful” “thx” “can I do blah for you?” “if u want” etc. just completely short half-assed totally uninterested responses.
And yet the guy will KEEP GOING lol like either just completely oblivious or in total denial, hoping that one day she’ll cave.
It’s harder being a girl than a lot of guys think.
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It’s true. It doesn’t help. I don’t mean to say I am by all measures out of the guy’s league. In these cases it is the guy’s behavior in itself that is the biggest problem.
Ignoring a guy will always eventually be effective but even that can take a while on a bone headed persistent type.
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I used to flake on guys sometimes too, thanks YaReally, it’s true that some guys are so annoying! I actually flaked on a date with one guy to hang out with the man who is now my husband 😀 I’m glad I did that, haha!
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I would really appreciate a Yareally comment on this. How does Yareally handle this? Firstly how to ensure she does not flake and secondly how to respond if she does.
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Read the stuff I linked below. There’s a lot of calibration involved.
But my general rules of thumb are:
1) Girls live in the moment. She can be making out with you in the bar but when you txt the next day you’re starting over from 0…don’t expect to pick up where you left off.
2) Change her mood, not her mind. Get her emotionally reacting to you, THEN push for the meet-up. Don’t just try to logically convince her or interest her in the meet-up…interest her in YOU, instead. She’s not getting to go skydiving and hanging out with you, she’s getting to hang out with you and going skydiving, nomsayin?
3) Have a reason to get her number. Make semi-vague plans and THEN get the number under the presence of discussing the plans further (time bridge), or qualify her hard and then allow her to give you her number because she’s earned your interest. Don’t just get a number as an end-goal or to figure out plans later. This is why we have a repeatable Day 2 that we can do with every girl…so you’re on auto-pilot when you say “there’s this awesome cafe by my place that has blah, you have to see it sometime”.
4) If you can’t fuck her that night, tone it down and hold back or you’ll trigger her ASD and make her flake. If logistics look clear (because you were consciously screening for logistics, right?), go ahead and make out, escalate, grab her #, etc and push for the lay that night. If logistics look like shit (she has to drive her friend home, she has a morning flight, her boss is in the room, etc.), pull back…get the number but don’t kiss her. You can get close and almost kiss her to build the unresolved tension (watch Robbie Williams eye-fucking a reporter on YouTube) but don’t quite do it (or at the most do a quick romantic/sweet short kiss, no hard tongue-down and be the first to end the kiss). She’ll want to resolve the sexual tension you built up and you didn’t go far enough for her to do anything she could be judged for so you didn’t trigger her ASD and she probably won’t flake.
5) If you’re forced to get her # after triggering her ASD (like you get caught up in the moment and forget to hold back, or she escalates on you too far, or you escalated thinking logistics were clear but get blindsided by a cockblock situ), pull shit way back and practically friend zone her and keep your txts flirty but not sexting…you need to let her ASD settle down by letting her pretend meeting up won’t result in you two fucking. This situ is what causes a lot of “you’re a player aren’t you” and “you just want sex don’t you” bullshit…her ASD is triggered and trying to shit-test you so it can catch you and forbid her from fucking you to preserve its vision of her as a perfect innocent angel.
6) Always be heading toward a meet-up. Being isolated with her so you can fuck is the goal, not having a new txt buddy you can waste 2 months txting and never get to meet up with you again because you let her think that you’re going to dole out your attention for free because she has tits. Always be moving the interaction forward: http://www.yareallyarchive.com/2013/5/#comment-heartiste-444346
When guys fuck the stuff I’m describing up, then the girl flakes, then they go “whatever I’m a badass alpha male…NEXT!! lol I sure showed that bitch!!” it’s like no, you could’ve gotten that lay with tighter game, you are either lazy or stupid.
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Is calibration just a matter of experience? Are there things to look out for, or advice to lessen the learning curve?
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Cold hard experience. You have to interact with a lot of different people, and fuck up a bunch, to internalize “this is how someone looks/acts when they’re creeped out, this is how someone looks/acts when they’re attracted, this is how someone looks/acts when they’re mad at me but secretly slightly attracted and could be turned around”.
Like I could list “when someone smiles, that means they’re happy”, but it would be an insanely long list of mostly obvious stuff…when you’re out interacting with people and paying attention to how you’re making them feel (which is something a lot of guys, especially guys using routines or over-the-top delusional confidence, don’t do), that’s when all the little signals come together to form a “vibe” or “feeling” you can read and calibrate to.
An example would be like you go in direct, but she isn’t warm right away and kind of leans back slightly and tenses up…okay, that’s too far, so you spot that and lean back and take a step back, possibly even apologize for coming in too hard if she seems shook up enough, then you build some comfort till her body relaxes again and she’s giving iois, then you can go in again.
This is a fairly solid breakdown of a pickup with a bit on calibration at 7 minutes in:
He talks about gay people and transitions into BDSM talk which she’s into and plays along so he escalates it, but then he pushes it too far, reads in her body language, voice, tone, etc. that she’s not receptive to going that far, and then he pulls back to normal conversation. That’s something you can’t really describe the nuances of easily, or learn from reading a book…you need to have been in the situation and felt the vibe “shift” and successfully bring the vibe back to normal to really get it.
Approach approach approach. 😉
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Thanks, that helps. It’s only recently I’m picking up the importance of it.
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Also some personal shit I say:
“You’re not hammered are you? I don’t want your number if you’re one of those retarded drunk chicks that’s going forget me in the morning because you spent the night barfing curled up to a toilet.”
“I don’t know, you’re fun, but you seem kind of innocent. I’m a sketchy guy, I would corrupt you. We really shouldn’t hang out.”
“I’m not mad, I just lose interest fast. If you want a txt-buddy I’m sure there are guys lined up around the block dying to know what you ate for lunch or hear about how Jenny from work is such a bitch.”
“Sorry, Fri/Sat nights are reserved. Bros before hos and all that. I don’t even know if you’re good in bed yet, you might just lay there like a starfish and use teeth on my little soldier. I’m free Monday if you don’t run off and get married in Vegas this weekend, what time are you off work?”
“I’ll be out drinking tonight. Txt me later and we’ll drunkenly stumble into eachother, then ditch our friends to go be loud and obnoxious together for last call.”
I wing most of what I say these days so the wording changes a lot but this is the jist.
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I have a current problem with flaky numbers. From what I’ve read, one school of thought is ‘you haven’t built enough attraction,’ but I’m doubtful. Like, how the shit do you not have attraction if you make out with someone lol? I think the bounce + comfort game may be the key hurr.
Realistically, a lot of the girls in these clubs are tourists….so it’s SNL or bust — I can understand why those numbers flake.
‘The best reaction to a flake is no reaction’
This has been my go-to. Just fuck it. Why even waste time with ‘gay’ or ‘lame?’
That being said….I’m kind of moving past the ‘woo-woo’ RSD stuff. Because ya, it’s healthy to say ‘man bro, if she doesn’t like you for who you are and you’re all self-amusing and unstifled, fuck her,’ but at the same time……..that old school PUA attitude of ‘always find a way, leave no stone unturned’ just appeals to me more.
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“Like, how the shit do you not have attraction if you make out with someone lol?”
I think it is not a matter of no attraction but rather that you’ve triggered her anti-slut defense mechanisms. So, a hot and heavy makeout at the club doesn’t necessarily translate to a date the next day, when she wakes up and starts to regret her trampish behavior.
[CH: That’s right. Both lack of attraction and too much attraction tend to resolve in similar ways if you don’t have the skill to circumvent either of them.]
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[CH: That’s right. Both lack of attraction and too much attraction tend to resolve in similar ways if you don’t have the skill to circumvent either of them.]
Interesting. Too much attraction; I’d like to hear more about this. A facet of Game seldom mentioned.
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“Too much attraction”
No such thing really, just attraction you failed to act on.
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I guess too much attraction is not nearly as bad as not enough attraction, because at least you’ll probably attract other girls.
Too much attraction is probably mainly caused by a girl being (or seeing herself as being) a couple points below you in SMV? In this case, you need comfort, reduce the sexual tension for a while, look like you’re accessible, and make her think she could be good enough for you. I don’t think you can do this in a short period of time, it will probably take a good couple weeks of chit-chat over text/emails.
This is game for shy chicks not very sexualised who are almost exclusively looking for an LTR. Invest the time if that’s what you’re looking for, but run away if you’re looking for a quick lay, because it won’t happen.
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it’s what mystery called “buyers remorse”. too much attraction, not enough comfort. you’re going straight from attraction to seduction without spending enough time building comfort. solution: slow down and don’t go in for the kiss/makeout when she expresses interest in doing so. this is actually a form of shit test. you lead the flirty sexual back and forth stuff, and you determine when it’s the right time. lead her. “i don’t kiss on the first date” smile, and walk away to another set or talk to her/your friends. in short, extend the time in comfort and don’t let her get sexy with you too soon. extend it to a second and third day if you must.
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Would a girl flake on Justin Boober?
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To clarify, I’d say that like 3 out of 4 flaky numbers ARE from just bad/stalled sets where I failed to escalate or build a connection. Only a small percentage of them could possibly be the result of ‘buyer’s remorse’ or whatever.
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Fellas
Judge the situation based on whether or not the girl offers a time to reschedule.
All flakes are pretty lame to begin with but still keep the girl in cold rotation. Don’t just delete her because that’s the Red Pill thing to do. Even if you never meet up with her, see how far along you can take it via texting. It’s practice goddamnit.
Here’s a good structure I recommend for those starting out.
Me: Sup girl, reminder: date with cute dude…meet at xyz around 9pm. See ya
Her: Hiiii, I’m so sorry but I forgot that I made dinner plans with my best friend for tomorrow night. Can we try again next week?
Me: No biggie, I’ll wait to see how you make it up to me before I pass judgment. :p
Note: Be careful because this could come off as too harsh.
So you reopen in a few days and try again. Come across as playful or unaffected. This is is the girl does it a day beforehand. Same day flake and I may not respond at all and hit her up with something fun and flirty later.
I’m writing this so the newbs can understand. I went through a phase where I thought I would be “NEXTING” the girl if she flaked and I deleted her number. Pretty “alpha” huh? Too bad I missed out on some girls I could have kept practicing on. Hell I coulda banged a couple.
Don’t let your pride consume you. Have some backbone and yeah, if she leaves you waiting at the restaurant, then to hell with her. I’m just saying try this structure if she shows some kind of decency; albeit don’t think her flake was done for any noble reason. Girls are inherently flakey by nature.
-IG
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I agree. Sometimes, believe it or not, the girl is busy. You should have enough faith in your abilities to know if that’s because you were lacking in your connection skills or if something genuinely came up.
In the latter case, any time a girl has flaked, I will text back, “No worries.” It’s a neutral answer, zero butthurt, and every time I’ve used it, she’s rescheduled and blown me the next time we meet up.
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Wise words. Persistence for no reason other than wanting to see if something that seemed completely “cold” has gotten me several bangs.
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Flaking is not nice if there is no legitimate reason, like being very sick or some emergency. I haven’t heard of this phenomenon among women before. I didn’t know they were renowned for it. But admittedly, I know very little about dating. It is rude though, and I can’t imagine that a kind woman would flake for no good reason.
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There are no kind women. Women, by biological impulse, may act only out of self interest–finding the protection and resources of alpha men.
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True story.
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> “There are no kind women.”
No, there are still good women out there.
There are just fewer and fewer of them*.
EOF, for instance, sounds like she came from a pretty good family.
*At least until the demographic tide starts to turn – cf Philip Longman and the Return of the Patriarchy.
My gut instinct is that the demographic tide is already turning hard in the elementary school ranks [to include homeschoolers] – few if any white children from Blue State lunatic-fringe white families versus a huge surge of children [often homeschooled] from conservative evangelical white families.
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EOF, for instance, sounds like she came from a pretty good family.
If this is about me, thank you so much. My parents divorced when I was very young but my father is a wonderful man, he never re-married but He has been an excellent father to his 5 daughters. He raised us with good values. We used to ask him why he doesn’t take another wife, and he used to jokingly reply “5 daughters are expensive enough”.. He never put up with nonsense and even now I am a grown woman will tell me if a dress is too short or revealing. He also always told us the importance of never letting ourselves get fat. Maybe for other people that sounds a horrible thing for a father to tell a daughter, but my father is straight talking and it has benefited my sisters and me immensely.
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Bless him.
In my experience, 100 Percent correlation between quality and having a respected father figure.
The single-parent generation of women is absolutely fucked.
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I heard a story from a woman about how her girlfriend would flake. She’d tell men to meet her in a certain town square underneath her apartment. She had a clear view of the square, so she’d wait for the guy with binoculars. When he showed up she’d scrutinize him and then decide whether she wanted to flake or not.
Since hearing that, I assume now that girls are quite deliberate about flaking. After all, if a woman is really interested, she’ll find you.
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Sorry, Heart-man, but I can’t agree. Blatant rudeness (for which “flaking” is just a euphemism) should be greeted with only one response: icy indifference, followed by substitution. Drop, and move on to fresh fields.
Think about “flaking” actually represents: 1) “You’re not good enough for me to be with”; 2) “You don’t matter enough for me to show even the slightest bit of good manners towards you”; 3) “Screw you, I can do better”; 4) “Let’s test this boob to see if he’s interested enough in me/sufficiently malleable to put up with a rude rejection”. None of these are good for the guy.
So when the flake calls to see “what’s up?”, or brings up the topic and wonders why you haven’t called her or responded to her, you either say “nothing” (to the question) or else say, as coldly as possible: “Sorry; flaking on me was just plain rude, and I don’t associate with rude people.” Then (and this is important), say nothing more — ever — on the topic.
Two results may follow from the above:
1) fulsome apology with offers of compensation (good)
2) disappearance (no great loss)
When it comes to flaking, I don’t (and never have) put up with this crap. It’s because most men do that women feel they can get away with it. The hell with them. There are enough decent women out there that we don’t have to indulge the rude and childish ones.
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or else say, as coldly as possible: “Sorry; flaking on me was just plain rude, and I don’t associate with rude people.”
As a social experiment, I tried this a couple of times. Conclusion from my limited data sample: Calling a girl out for her flakiness in a calm measured manner accomplishes nothing, and serves only to convince her she was right to flake.
Further experimentation proved to my satisfaction that the playful, edgy route to handling flakes was better. Even better was ignoring it and pretending like you were the one who flaked on her (if circumstances permit such subterfuge).
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Is this really CH? I thought he normally answers in boldface and brackets within others’ posts.
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He can edit posts, so it’s either him or someone he doesn’t mind impersonating him so far.
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Its the gravatar he’s used forever, as far as I know. I thought it was a bat when I first saw it, but it appears to be people sitting on a couch chatting. I like seeing it.
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Calling a girl out for her flakiness in a calm measured manner accomplishes nothing, and serves only to convince her she was right to flake.
Fine; so you’re rid of her. Playing games in response to rudeness means handing the advantage to her — letting her know that she still matters enough to you that you’re continuing the contact despite her rudeness.
Wrong. Reward the worthy, get rid of the unworthy. If enough men do this, the flakes will start to get the message and perhaps (ha!) we can restore a measure of politeness to an increasingly-rude world. I’m not optimistic, but then again I’m not a game-player.
I repeat: there are enough decent women out there that we don’t have to waste time on the flakes.
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> “Further experimentation proved to my satisfaction that the playful, edgy route to handling flakes was better. Even better was ignoring it and pretending like you were the one who flaked on her (if circumstances permit such subterfuge).”
The best revenge is for her to see you in the company of another woman.
Preferably later that very evening.
In fact, if the bitch is 30 minutes late, and hasn’t called to give you a heads up, and if there aren’t any other chicks to hit on right there at the sushi bar, then start speed-dialing your well-known easy lays and get one of them to show up as quickly as possible.
Bonus points if the original bitch actually shows up late and sees you eating dinner with another chick in her place: She who hesitates is lost.
PS: If worse came to worst, you might actually call up an escort service to send you their best girl and then parade that whore in front of Miss Flakey Bitch.
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Oh yeah… This is right.
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I’ll just leave this here:
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You get angry when she flakes. You start chasing her. If she is moderately cute, she *wants* to experience the ‘boys blowing up my phone’ phenomenon. So I would argue that the female ego directly craves men chasing her, which is an indirect affront to society.
[CH: Her ego may crave it, but her pussy curses it.]
The only way I could imagine a girl *never* flaking is if the date is a three way with you and a (cuter?) female friend, and her friend doesn’t have a cell phone.
[The best way to prevent flaking is to move through the stage of comfort before the first formal date.]
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Now THAT I can get behind.
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Anyone who has worked in sales will understand the analogy here. Women flake and sales fall through. Just as with sales, you can analyse the reasons to death but you will never get to a definitive answer. Management’s can only guess at what’s going on but, the bottom line is the sales fell through. Same thing with chicks.
So a blanket argument like ‘you didn’t establish enough value’ etc is never really satisfactory to anyone but an inexperienced player who obviously isn’t adding enough value. None of the suggestions I’ve seen are satisfactory other than ignoring and that only works if the flake was for a genuine reason. You will know this because she will get in touch pretty quick and then suggest another date. The idea of you flaking first is a good one but FFS we are talking about nascent relations and you know how fickle women are given time. La donna e mobile and all that.
I’m going to make an unpopular suggestion here. Try to blow them out but not in a needy/bitter way. My rationale is this. Flaking lowers your value and it kick-starts a time decay in it. Even if it was a genuine reason, the fact that it happened establishes an favourable power dynamic in her mind. Blowing her out when you are at the start of the time decay might have an affect on a certain amount and its probably a higher number than are going to turn around by anything else because the time decay will massively lower your value.
Something like
-sorry I cant make it tonight
-too bad I’m not free for a month now
Now unless there really is no value whatsoever in her eyes, she will start to consider making the date or throw forward suggestions. If she doesn’t then who cares anyway? You might as well try it at your strongest point because the lead is going to be busted anyway.
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Yes. 80/20 rule in full effect. You could play every poker hand by the book with well honed people reading skills, but you still won’t win every hand.
80% of results will come from 20% of your leads. Some view the 4/5 leads that went nowhere as “wasting time” but in my mind, the work you did on those 4 was both necessary and led you to that 1. While I get the whole 80/20 is anecdotal and not exact, it’s damn close and a good explanation of the breakdown of who is getting what results.
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I think anyone getting into game should learn how to play poker (NLHE specifically). It makes a lot of the concepts easier to swallow. Outcome independence is the same in poker — just make sure you make the most optimal play, given the situ, to stack your odds as best you can. That’s all you need to do.
Even aces get cracked 1 out of 5 times from All-in preflop.
I’d actually just analogize most naturals to a TAG player. Tight, aggressive —- waits for good cards to come along, then he just plays them relentlessly = wait for the AI, then just escalate like no one’s business.
A PUA is a LAG player. Loose and aggressive — doesn’t wait for good cards, tries to play many hands in the most profitable way possible; comfortable taking huge risks, has to develop extreme hand reading skills because he’s getting into so many different situs = doesn’t wait for AI, develops extreme calibration, takes huge risks in the field bc knows he must DHV traits like guts, social dominance, etc.
AG/AFC’s are just the people who have no clue wtf is going on.
While most of the ‘winning’ players at lower stakes are TAGs….the people who dominate the game have mastered LAG.
Plus, poker is a way cooler hobby than WoW 🙂
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indeed broski. that’s actually an important point I forgot to make: the difference between approaching hot chicks and poker is that you aren’t “risking” anything. I guess this assumes you aren’t mouth breathing and trying to finger her butthole on approach…but if you’re just doing standard run of the mill shit like what’s been discussed on how to open, the absolute worst you’ll get is a backturn.
In poker, you lose money. No big deal unless you’re using your sick childs medication money. Approaching chicks, there’s oNLY upside. It’s a free game to play. If I get a number and she doesn’t answer or text back well waawaaweewah on to the next 5. I will soon get one that’s down because I’m constantly hustling.
Hustling chicks is essentially playing no-risk poker lol.
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Oddly enough, learning game has improved my NLHE game. I was a very emotional player when I was younger and I would go on tilt easy and play hands just out of boredom and wanting to be “in” the game etc. and play my favorite cards no matter what and chase shit to the end. Needless to say I lost a lot of money lol
“Outcome independence is the same in poker — just make sure you make the most optimal play, given the situ, to stack your odds as best you can. That’s all you need to do.”
This was the biggest thing that helped me. I hadn’t played in like 5 years and then played again and noticed that I was no longer attached to the outcome or emotionally invested in the cards. I was naturally playing a much more optimal game and folding cards I’d never have folded before and not being affected by losses OR wins, just sticking to the program.
It was interesting to see that spill-over into another unexpected area of my life. Combine that new outcome independence with my people-reading skills and I’m actually a solid NLHE player now and win pretty consistently when I occasionally play.
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Every woman I’ve seen flake repeatedly has ended up a spinster with cats. Obviously they didn’t get the best, contrary to the assertions of that psuedo-science know as Evo-Psych.
[CH: “Contrary”? Perhaps they got the best that their product could buy: cats and valium.]
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Where does evo psych say that those who flake the most end up with the best outcomes?
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Bob Wallace is assuming the psuedo-science economic assertion that All Market Participants Act Rationally.
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stupid fucking Bob….they are women, they CANT act rationally.
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One of the common stages that pretty much every PUA goes through is that they learn the “superpower” of realizing that getting phone numbers isn’t a big deal and you can walk into a bar on any given night and walk out with a dozen numbers.
Then they try to call/txt those numbers and every single one of them flakes lol. We don’t even bother telling newbies about this stage coming up because we don’t want to shit on their excitement because that excitement is what propels them to push through this flaking stage.
Anyway, that said, here’s everything you need to know on flaking, figured out and broken down and explained piece by piece by PUAs back in the old days (one of these is by Tyler from 2003 lol):
4 pages on her mentality here: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/end/pr/428.html
4 pages on what triggers flakes here: http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-tactics/how-to-predict-flakes/
6 pages on “nine steps to a solid day 2” here: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/end/day_2/259.html
Read all 3 of those, they cover everything from why a girl flakes to how to see it coming to how to prevent/minimize it.
As I said in a different comment: “there are butthurt guys who would just say “whatever fuck it she can go with him if she wants, I’d Next that bitch for disrespecting me!!!” But I’m posting this because PUAs like to figure out “how could I turn this seemingly impossible situation around…?” more for the mental exercise and expanding our knowledge-base rather than because we desperately need that particular girl”
Remember, as Tyler once said and as I oft repeat: You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked…that’s HER Nexting YOU.
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‘You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked…that’s HER Nexting YOU.’
Always loved this line.
And that’s a lot of really great material.
But on the real, there just aren’t any shortcuts. I’ve accepted that just reading the shit really isn’t the same as training yourself Pavlov style in the field.
Like, so many nights when I go home I just think to myself ‘man, I should have done X here, said Y here, escalated here….’ It’s kind of starting to dawn on me how goddamned tight you have to be to pull hot girls from cold approach.
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“I’ve accepted that just reading the shit really isn’t the same as training yourself Pavlov style in the field.”
Read AND train. 😉 There’s no point going out every night for a year if you just stumble around blind…go out with a gameplan, just make sure you go out and consciously work on what you read. The guys who came before you went thru the same hard knocks you’re going thru and paved a nice clear path…you still gotta walk it yourself, but don’t run thru the forest aimlessly lol
“It’s kind of starting to dawn on me how goddamned tight you have to be to pull hot girls from cold approach.”
No way, man! Remember all the anti-gamers and guys who don’t do cold approach have TOLD us that any guy can get those bar sluts. Any of them could just walk into a bar and take home the hottest girls there because those girls are blindingly drunk and spreading their legs on every table in the bar begging for more STDs. You must really suck if you can’t bang these easy bar sluts that guys who’ve never fucked anything higher than a 6 off a cold approach know they could bang. You should probably just give up, I mean, you’re SHORT too. Everyone knows short guys can’t get laid. Lol
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It’s not that short guys can’t get laid, it’s just harder for them. One cannot, after all, demonstrate higher value if you’ve been rejected the moment she sets her eyes on you. A woman’s distaste for short men is little different in principle than a man’s distaste for fat women. That one of these may be amenable to self-correction and the other not is of little consequence.
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‘One cannot, after all, demonstrate higher value if you’ve been rejected the moment she sets her eyes on you.’
K well that^ happens a lot LESS than you think.
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You’re in the wrong headspace. Women are attracted to a man’s presence/value, not his height. Yes, if you’re short and approach like a scared insecure child with a chip on his shoulder, she will rule you out on your height. If you approach with confidence like a boss, she won’t give a shit.
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/2/#comment-heartiste-407840
At 22 seconds into this clip, Tyler takes a tall chick off a taller guy:
The only reason it’s harder for them is because most short guys have baggage and insecurities built up from a lifetime of being shit on for being short…they sub-consciously believe they SHOULD have a harder time, so they do.
It’s all mental. The field reveals all.
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wonder how this applies to a girl youve banged it out w 3 times though. she flaked yesterday after makin a fuss about coming to get her bra at my place. i aint sayoing shit back or chasing…but what a retard
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Dates are fucking bullshit. If she isn’t dtf right then and there just forget her. Thus spake Zarathustra
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Like the practical emphasis on efficiency.
With same day flake and belated apology or excuse,”no prob, had a great time” then leave it.
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I think there can also be an element of simply avoiding conflict as well. See femx’s comment above.
Sort of like how women might give a fake phone number. They get to avoid potential in-person conflict by pretending to go with the flow rather than giving a direct rejection. It’s kind of a pussy way out, but remember they literally have no balls.
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“Do girls not think about flaking much at all? Bingo.”
Of course. A lot of it comes from self absorption. With all these chicks pecking away on these smartphones these days, there is no other good reason other than a true emergency that they stand dudes up.
But then again, I’m trying to answer illogical thinking with logic. Silly me….
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I had a girl flake out of insecurity. After investigation, B/C I didnt send her a “confirmation text like all the other guys”.
It happens.
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never believe excuses. never believe excuses. that was just another lie. howwever, lying is relative: since women are too dumb to perceive what truth is, it sort of makes them incapable of lying.
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see below. CH and a few others touch on it. preemptive flaking due to perceived value disparity. in this case, exacerbated by an omission of assurance on my part.
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OK, if you say so. For anyone other than an uber-alpha, this type of thing is usually self-delusion, but I guess it works if the girl sees herself as “below” you.
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You reacted the exact way she thought, and now you do not stand out and aren’t “fun.” If “gay” is your thing to pop her with a little asshole remark to get her a little off balance then give it a shot (However, I’ve heard more than 3 girls in two months basically laughing at the guy behind his back for using “gay” in text message to get a response out of her so but they had heard it before so this tactic seems to be getting around. My dick remark instead of “gay” is “that’s really amazing congrats”.)
To the the reader who asks what the point is in flaking, IMO the big picture it’s this: they want to see who ultimately can stand out and, like a camel in the desert, they can wait it out until it “feels right” with the right cock.
I’ve used a variation of TD’s response of telling her that she’s such a bratty little sister now after a flake, essentially qualifying her on the spot by saying that we love her but don’t really see her in the sexual way we once did and in a way she’s been a bit demoted but hey the world keeps spinning! I’m sure you’ll find a boy someday soon!
And by doing this (maybe because of my personality) I’ve had more than a few who I can tell have not had this response to their “clever” little testy test because they were expecting me to have ego-butthurt-pride bruising instead. In this way I stand out because I held back from the obvious “try to make her feel stupid because I feel stupid now” comment. Your local weekend warrior in his throwback nike tank top and beats headphones who got her number at the gym by playing the “do you go to clubs much? one of my boys is the manager I can get you and your friends in if you want lemme get your number” then either a) she takes up his offer, gets in the club and doesn’t do anything with him because he didn’t have the verbal rap to keep her having fun…instead was trying to look cool by having “hot bitches” around or b) he invites her out in a boyfriend “date” type setting even though he was trying to front as a player, now she sees he isn’t living up to his image and his “gay” comment when she doesn’t respond or says she has plans to watch The Bachelor come off as projection lol.
Ultimately, I just view flaking as a lame attempt to cheaply feel in control, so while I’m teasing her (slowly changing her mood first before I set up new plans, making sure she’s not thinking about the date but enjoying my teasing first) in the back of my mind I’m thinking “Really? This game is entertaining? You’re like a toddler seriously lol” I don’t get mad, I get the upper hand and stand out from the rest. THAT’S what hoes are looking for…the in control player that from her finely honed “wommens intuition” she “feels” is different and the guy that is saying and playing the things that most guys in her bubble aren’t.
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P.S. To all the up and comers…I can’t think of a better way to practice text game (which to me seems crucial to get to the prime cuts these days) than to get on Tinder. Seriously. Lots of girls who are on facebook are on it whereas they might not be on match or some of the others. Check it out fo sho.
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Concurrent plans. Always. Have. Concurrent plans.
Flaking is just part of the game. If you don’t want to experience flaking, get out of the game. Women make every decision in their lives based on emotion. If her emotion is not the same as it was when she got your number, she will not call you even if you were Brad Pitt. Don’t waste time wondering why flaking happened. You can never know why, and she won’t know either because it won’t be for a logical reason.
1. Always date more than one girl. Never verbally commit to any one woman, unless you planning to have children with one to raise a family.
2. For new girls, make plans to meet up only Monday through Wednesday or a weekend afternoon. Friday nights are reserved for women who you have already had sexual intimacy. Thursdays and Saturday nights are reserved to hang out with your male friends to pick up more women.
3. Make plans to meet up at a wine or coffee bar very close to your apartment. That way you don’t waste your time driving in traffic if she doesn’t show. If she makes it to the Friday night date by showing signs she is ready to have sex, tell her to come to your place for the reason to take one car. Once she arrives, leave your wallet in your house and tell her to come in so you can get it. Those few seconds of her seeing your place will make it so much easier to get her back into your apartment after the date.
4. If she does not comply to any of your planned meetings, DELETE her phone number and move on to the next one. It is very hard to show higher mating value after a flake. It is a shit test so let her go, no matter how hot her ass is. Trying to chase one with any kind of text/phone game after she flakes is just wasting your precious time and also pathetic. I have seen girls laugh at men who kept texting them after they flaked on them. Any angry response from you shows only weakness and will ruin your reputation in your local dating community.
5. You need to show that you don’t care one bit about the flaking, and by having concurrent plans you really won’t care. That is why a flake during a weekday night or a weekend afternoon won’t really matter that much as you can work on your career or do errands. If she flakes on you on Friday night, then it is your fault misjudging her attraction level toward you.
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I like your line… if you don’t want to experience flaking get out of the game. Girls flake… deal with it… keep improving your game and you will get some women interested in you.
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Very well said.
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Tyler Durden..his approach can be boiled down to this: Behave like a tipsy outgoing somewhat masculine slutty Party Girl.
And that’s about it.
The entire RSD camp is filled with pussies. Any of you ever see the video Tyler posted that included some guy getting in his face when he caught him with his sister? IMMEDIATELY “Sorry im sorry sorry bro ok im sorry” like a faggot. He’s a faggot, Julien’s a faggot, they’re all pussy faggots who pick up drunk 6’s and 7’s and fold the moment they have an actual man in their faces.
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To be fair, he was showing the guy’s little sister his cock. I’m not sure the guy was up for much debate lol
Where are your vids, Badass McManly?
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Bro Tyler obviously literally is a fag.
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Jesus I didn’t even realize that’s what he was doing now I think he’s an even bigger jackass.
Why would I have to make vids? it has nothing to do with being a “badass”. You have to be a badass to protect your sister (even though she clearly is a worthless trouble maker) or stick to your guns and own up to what you did like a man? I would never behave in this manner and certainly not in a store or on the street, acting like some dumb nigger whipping my dick out for some dumb bitch to see. I try to avoid doing things I would hate myself for doing. If you can look yourself in the mirror after behaving like that, congratulations. There’s faking it till you make it, and projecting the attitude of the Alpha and there’s actually being the Alpha, and when truly pressed, everyone shows their true face, no matter what.
Henry Kissinger laughs in the faces of people asking him about murderous proposals from 40 years ago. Dick Cheney has a man he shot apologize publicly for being shot by him. These men are Alphas. These men would not flinch.
Though judging from pictures, I think Cheney doesn’t need to actually whip it out..
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You nailed it.
This is the “dirty little secret” of all these self-styled ‘alphas’…
They dance like monkeys in orchestrated ‘street’ videos… and ook n’ eek around their club sluts… talk big shit in Cyberia…
And then fold faster than Superman on laundry day when confronted by men in the meat world.
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..and that’s MORE than you do , so by comparison….
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Someone who relies on relatively insignificant in-born traits for their sense of self worth would be dismissive of things earned through effort and intelligence.
He’d have hated on Julius Caesar for being epileptic, saying that his charisma is meaningless because he is short and twitchy. All the way through his battles and rise to power, Greg would be the one saying he deserves none of what he has earned because he wasn’t born “perfect” enough.
So of course, the guy who was more interested in books than balls, who manages to get laid nonetheless because he was smart enough to know when to get help, and smart enough to pay attention, and brave enough to put the theories into practice, is just not good enough. It’s not “real success” because it didn’t happen like a Hollywood romance where you don’t get to see how the dashing hero became so dashing.
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And because you say so, that makes it true… keep you both warm.
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Evil twin demeaning PUA’s this time? Darn that evil twin making you look bad.
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Wow, you’ve discovered the big secret of the PUA community: that a lot of guys need to learn to pick up women, and that some of those who needed to the most were wimpy nerdlings. Even more amazing, some of those guys who learned how to get laid despite not dripping with bacon grease and motor oil, went on to teach. Who would have thought that a brainy guy would, you know, like, teach?
So astute.
Look, most guys are beta. Most western guys have either never been in a fight or got beat up when they did. Most are not trying to die in battle.
In some circles, this would be a sin, but not really for mainstream U.S. and Europe. They just want to be alpha enough not to die without ever having experienced sex with a woman who actually wanted them.
Is that okay with you?
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The disconnect here (and with Greg and King etc.) is that you don’t seem to understand that you’re the only one who’s concerned about whether any of us have your approval or not. You aren’t high enough value to us for us to give a shit if you fantasize about our dicks as much as you do Cheney’s.
Like, I know in your head you’re a really important guy, and that’s super neat-o, but to us you’re just some dumbfuck on the Internet who’s girl would be fucking Tyler in the bathroom while you argue about who’s the bigger Alpha.
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Yeah YaReally–Freddie Nietzche, the real Nietzche admired what he called, literally, the “attempters”, not the grunting, name calling peasants throwing logs at each other drunk on cheap ale.
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Some of the most masculine/warlike societies ever created were created by butch gay fellows. The Germans Brownshirts (hehe) were such a brood.
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Ernst Rohm was a homo and so was his inner circle as was Hitler himself. However, the SA numbered some 400,000 and were mostly ex WWI veterans and mostly hetereosexual and very anti-gay. Rohm kept his proclivities a secret within his inner circle and its likely no one would have followed him if it had become well known. The Night of the Long Knives took care of that crowd of degenerates once and for all.
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Damn man, you came real close to hitting on all cylinders there… all facts accurate but one… which, alas, could lead others to doubt all the truth you spoke.
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That’s why long knives exist.
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“Any of you ever see the video Tyler posted that included some guy getting in his face when he caught him with his sister? IMMEDIATELY “Sorry im sorry sorry bro ok im sorry” like a faggot.”
Link?
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Thought experiment for freddie. Imagine two men. One man fags out and shrinks from a fight once in his life, but bangs cute girls regularly. The other man is a bruiser who relishes fighting and has beaten up a number of men, but he’s hitched to a motorcycle mama who weighs north of 250, and he hasn’t sniffed fresh young pussy since the ninth grade.
Who is the real winner here? Who would most men rather be?
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Or, Mr. Tough Guy winds up with a knife in his chest or a bullet in his head or his front teeth knocked out. Or an arrest record, which will make him unemployable.
Fighting over some girl in a bar is about the dumbest thing I can imagine.
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A false dichotomy if I ever heard one. Completely arbitrary and not at all related to what I wrote. Of course you want to be the guy who fucks cute girls when your only other option is a thug with a fat biker wife. But in no reality are these your only 2 options. A man of honor is not some thug who goes around looking for fights. Nor is he someone who shows his dick to a girl in public then starts apologizing like a bitch over and over when her larger brother gets in his face. He’s a weasel.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/manly-men-confused-why-unmanly-men-get-girls/
The guys from RSD behave like imbeciles just to get pussy. They’ve completely bowed down to women and followed their lead just to get some pussy. There’s nothing remotely Alpha about them or anyone else who alters their persona entirely just to get laid, as GBFM has so eloquently illustrated more than oncezzzz.
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“The guys from RSD behave like imbeciles just to get pussy. They’ve completely bowed down to women and followed their lead just to get some pussy. There’s nothing remotely Alpha about them or anyone else who alters their persona entirely just to get laid, as GBFM has so eloquently illustrated more than oncezzzz.”
So the Omegas humping couch cushions who refuse to alter their personalities in order to get laid are the true Alphas?
http://therationalmale.com/2013/06/26/you-need-sex/
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Do you have a sub Saharan level IQ?
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Look, I don’t even really disagree with you. But you’re making a lot of assumptions about how people live their lives based on cut up video footage. RSD is about the nuts and bolts of seduction, not the wider social inmplications. You can take the game
techniques and build your own identity around it, and it doesn’t have to be tipsy drunk slut.
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“The guys from RSD behave like imbeciles just to get pussy.”
..and Nietz, you act like an imbecile for no apparent reason at all!!
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Thought experiment for freddie. Imagine two men. One man fags out and shrinks from a fight once in his life, but bangs cute girls regularly. The other man is a bruiser who relishes fighting and has beaten up a number of men, but he’s hitched to a motorcycle mama who weighs north of 250, and he hasn’t sniffed fresh young pussy since the ninth grade.
Who is the real winner here? Who would most men rather be?
Because… obviously… those are the only two options. :rolleyes
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Hey Dregs, we’ve got another sputtering racetard to keep you company! Nietzche! I think you’ll really LIKE him and you and him can go out in your barn and look at your picture of mustache boy together. We’ll leave you alone now.
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Aw, hell… back to the homoerotic projecting?
Tsk, tsk… and for a moment there, you’d been making such fine progress.
Back to the couch… the doctor will be with you shortly.
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About halfway thru:
What a fag. Tyler probably can’t even talk to girls.
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The guy was clearly in an inconsolable rage; I probably would’ve ejected with the quickness myself. Just a fluke situation; I mean why the fuck is this guy hanging out with his sister in what appears to be some grody bathroom lol?
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The real problem is he can’t talk to men.
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Touche’.
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years ago i saw group at a bar saw a hot blonde off to the side looking desperately bored so i asked her to dance, turns out she is married and now i got a group of 12 white knights and 8 or so chicksand a husband pissed off at me. these things escalate fast and an angry mob of drunk people should scare people. yeah at that point its just a few people but its not worth getting beat up for a snl
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Its true that the RSD guys would all fall over if you blew on them (especially Tyler, dude must way 130 lbs) but that doesn’t really negate the knowledge they have. As society becomes more and more feminized and men get pussier, sometimes its necessary to adapt in order to get yours. Let’s face it, its not the Wild West, you can’t just go around dishing out outlaw justice without serious repercussions.
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I’m not talking about their knowledge. They clearly know what they’re doing, and honestly, it’s eye opening to see just how simple it is and how stupid women are. And it’s a testament to how completely different most men and women are from one another. Men are paying hard earned cash to attend hour or week long seminars, more than once, just to train or retrain themselves to speak the language of the drunk club slut.
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I support feminism because i’m a pussy fagget
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Your e-penis is enormous, bro
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How to act when flaked on? I prefer to stand outside her apartment in the rain with a boombox raised over my head, playing the special mixtape.
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boombox is the easy way out. bring your accordion and sing as loud as you can. also bring a friend to make a video for youtube so she can remember that precious moment forever.
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If she’s Jewish, I hire an orchestra to play Wagner.
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Greg, behave.
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Girls flake because of low interest. Would a girl flake on Justin Bieber? H*ll no. Or else, your coolness has made her insecure… but in those cases, you should be staying away from fat chicks and low self-esteem cum dumpsters anyway. (ba-dump-ching)
Most of the time, flaking happens because she doesn’t know you that well and she has detected a whiff of beta in your behavior. The only way to get rid of this is more options. If you’re stuck on one woman, you’re beta. If you aren’t meeting other girls — and you don’t have the excuse of living on an army base, in Alaska, or Abu Dhabi — you’re beta.
Confidently approaching women is alpha. They all love it. Hovering around them when they have bid you to “have a good night” is beta. The telling you “have a good night” is just another method to see how alpha you are. If you do so, secure in the knowledge that you’ll see them again at some point, you’ll have an interested girl on your hands.
The point is this: the only way to get rid of flaking is to get rid of YOUR beta behavior and to not give a sh*t. And the only way to do that is to get to know more girls. When the next available evening comes, get off the f*cking computer, go downtown, and chat them up.
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Offtopic: http://www.ntu.ac.uk/apps/news/141408-22/T-shirt_trickery_can_make_males_more_attractive.aspx
“chest ratio (WCR) a major signal of masculinity and attractiveness to females
The results showed that upright T-illusions increased attractiveness and health by about 10%, while inverted T-illusions resulted in a drop of attractiveness by the same amount. The upright and inverted ‘T’ with wider horizontal bars showed a bigger average effect, both positive and negative.
And the size of the effect depended on how close the individual body was to the ideal WCR – bodies closer to the optimal ratio received less benefit than those further away.
Nottingham Trent University psychologist Dr Andrew Dunn said: “The wider barred ‘T’ seems to emphasise the upper chest when upright, which accentuates men’s optimum shape. The opposite happens when inverted.
“WCR is one of just a number of body measures that humans use to judge attractiveness and health. Our ability to detect, process and use this information appears to be implicit. The brain and sensory mechanism underpinning this are probably evolved and are almost certainly managing what we look for and how we respond”
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I swear I was over the last months noting this and wondering why with a bicycling jacket I have that has a similar optical effect of widening shoulders. It’s amazing. Very low-level neaurologically and hard to override, sounds like a good logistics technique while you become an Adonis with weights.
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as a general rule i will wait until she contacts me on date day. if no contact high likelyhood of a flake,usually i get a hey are we on tonight. then i know shes interested. no contact then next day text her sorry i was soo busy at work i totally forgot about our plans. if shes really hot ill show up early and bring a book and wait but i know she prob is flaking if no contact. if she wants to meet up again claim to be busy or tired n try to get her to come over but generally keep it low effort on my part.
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This is a solid M.O. I used to use it and still do, minus the going early with a book part.
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also, if you’ve done things with a chick there is no point in dating her. I’m cynical but if she snl’ed me she is snl’ing other dudes why meet her for coffee or sushi. if you dropped a few digits in her on the dance floor and got her number but didn’t get a snl out of it she probably wont meet you for a date but you might get her to come over if you catch her when shes horny if you dhv and dont text her much. i think its just the current state of society with womenz and dont see it getting any better. its gonna be a hook up culture until society collapses.
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I tend to experience flaking more with the women who in fact have a thing for me. It seems to be most common with someone I had first-date sex with, which is about 50% of the time lately. I take it as one more shit-test — just another way for a woman to say, “I’m not really this easy, I never do that, and besides, you haven’t been chasing me around the block since we got hot and heavy on that first date, so prove to me you’re interested by wheedling for a make-up date.”
If that’s what I think she’s doing, I just school her in as few unemotional syllables as possible. “Okay, whatever.” I might add, “Self-sabotage much?” The latter seems to wake them up. (FYI, I date a little older than you guys, and these women *know* that they have self-sabotaged themselves into a declining SMP position.) I don’t delete and drop them because 90% come back, which is good, only now I have the “Well, I don’t know, you flaked on me last time” card. And now they have to sell, not I. Usually they’re back selling within an hour or two.
One psycho is *still* coming back after two years of her erratic behavior. Today I asked her,
“You realize that you are acting like a moth? That makes me a flame. I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish.”
“Do you want to get together or not?”
“I’ll believe it when I see it.”
“What does that mean?”
“You can come over if you want. That way I can at least work on my bike and get something done before you flake again.”
“You’re such a bastard.”
“You contacted me. Also you said that last time, before you fucked me. Conflicted much?”
Then she can make the drive, or not. I’m not going to own her behavior, and this is what traps a flaker. They have to own all of it. Somebody has to be an adult in these situations.
If it’s a first date and she flakes for *any* reason short of a death in the family, I delete them. I’m not interested in hanging out with women whose personal life is out of control. Work, childcare, the gardener ruined the rose bushes, it’s all bullshit. I’m also not interested in passive-aggressive phonies, as Femistx casually describes herself in her flaking strategy.
But again, for me the common situation with a flaker is the woman who has lust *and* feelings, and her firmware has to be hammered like a rusty bolt before there’s any point in conversation. Flaking is a bad habit.
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Sometimes flaking results from the girl feeling like you’re not attainable enough. It’s a preemptive defensive reaction.
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I totally agree. I’ve experienced this two or three times in the last month or two. And I think that it increases as a tendency with age, as their confidence declines and the age spread available to a man increases. I had one woman, on the first date, go from “You look so much younger than I expected”, hands all fluttery in her hair, on my arm, shifting left and right in her seat to “I’m leaving we are so not a match” in less than five minutes. I thought I was watching a panic attack: like watching a perfectly good airplane lose a wing in flight. Too bad; she was older but smart and had hellacious legs.
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This happens to me a lot.
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This is true but the problem with it is most guys will think they came across as too high value/alpha and blew themselves out when really they just sucked… It’s like the dudes at RSD “I’m good looking and can’t get a date WTF!” they end up thinking they’re ‘too’ attractive when in reality they might look good but their game sucks.
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It’s true. I ask myself if I have flaked on more betas than alphas and the answer is not clear to me. I have flaked on betas because I have no interest in them beyond friendship. I have flaked on alphas because I thought they were unlikely to seek more than sex from me. In those cases I might have thought the alpha guy would be good to sleep with but I didn’t want some guy to pump and dump me.
If you are too sexually forward you will invite flaking because girls will not feel at alall guilty for thwarting you.
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The women are the sexual aggressors once they are on the backside of the SMP value curve. I’m saying no more often than I’m seeking a yes. If anything I need to thwart them. I had one date in the past three years with someone I was attracted to who blew me off. (I exclude ex-‘s, whom I occasionally take out. The mature ones don’t revisit old flames.) I think there is some residual, vestigial, almost sentimental impulse by these women to act “hard to get” by flaking, but the fact is they’re pulling their panties off on the first date.
So they’re flaking on their own impulses, and pre-empting their own impulses, in this form of self-handicapping.
This idea that a girl needs to ‘thwart’ an aggressive man really backfires over time. The pedestal she places herself on gets shorter every year.
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I have never flaked on a guy.
I just never felt that it was an okay thing to lead someone on, stand someone up, or play games with someone’s head. I don’t tease either. If some guy starts with me and I’m not interested, I just say so. If he wants to know why, I tell him.
Sometimes, the answer has been, “You look like a heartbreak waiting to happen.” I’m just clear with them about things. I don’t understand what someone gets out of not being honest.
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I’m not defending the rightness of flaking. I am merely explaining why it is convenient-
1. It’s psychologically easier than straight rejection because it’s more convoluted.
2. It lets you string a guy along enough to keep him on the backburner.
3. If a guy is being too sexually aggressive, it’s a way of forcing him to take more time and dial it back some.
As for standing a guy up, that’s different. I tried that once. Well, sort of- I cancelled like 5 minutes before the date. That was an absolute disaster. I got my comeuppance and then some for that one. The flake is best done at least 1 hour before, preferably more.
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I just feel like none of that is worth my integrity. My reputation might take a hit either way, so I don’t care, but I have to be able to look at myself in the mirror. I have enough going against me in that department.
If a guy is being too sexually aggressive or just regular pushy, then most will back off if you’re polite but direct.
Try, “Please forgive me if I gave the wrong impression, but I do not want…” or, “I’m flattered but…”
Nip it in the bud, rip it off like a bandaid, that kind of thing, but politely. Then you leave the guy fresh and still motivated to try again with someone else.
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Stop bragging about your rudeness and adultery.
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Currently in a situ with a super hot early 20s chick, tons of chemistry but logistics fucked us repeatedly and she’s flaked on me 3 times and the 3rd time I got butthurt (I actually LIKED this one…I am a gay lol) so I went with an authoritative “txt me when you get your shit together.” txt. On an older chick, that’ll work, because like someone else in this comment thread mentioned, older women have self-sabotaged before and clue in faster when they’re doing it and smarten up. But this chick is super young and I forgot that at that age they’re all pretty retarded (our logistic issues were stuff like her friend getting too drunk and her not wanting to ditch her in a cab to my place because she thought her friend would be pissed and at her age that’s a big deal whereas when you’re older you know that’s irrelevant drama lol).
So I was expecting a txt from her after some radio silence but got nothing aside from the “I’m sorry are you mad at me? :(” txts that night. Then I realized I pushed away too hard. “Cat string theory” is that the string has to feel attainable to the cat…keep it pulled too far away and the cat gives up. Let the cat have it for good and the cat gets bored. Dangle it juuuust out of reach so it feels like it has a chance and it’ll chase that thing to hell and back.
So after enough time to let my gay feelings die down and having met some other chicks to remind myself not to get all one-itisey, I re-initiated contact with her, but this time I’m giving her contact like we used to, but I’m going to just not respond at all some days for a few days at a time, and leave our conversations suddenly with her hanging waiting for a response or what-have-you.
She’s sent 6 txts (last 3 are pretending to be mad lol) since my last txt earlier today and I won’t be responding till tomorrow, where I’ll probably just send a “lol” and then she gets radio silence till after the weekend (we used to txt frequently, pretty much daily). So I’m dangling the string instead of yanking it away completely.
Also going to not suggest a meetup and just game her here and there till she suggests it, then give her a massively hard time about “I dunno, you’re pretty flakey and I’m out with friends right now. Maybe another night.” etc. to solidify it, and probably reject her a couple times before I actually agree to a meetup that’s extremely convenient to me (her coming over, or to a bar I’m already at).
Will I land her? Maybe, maybe not. But even if I don’t, she was a good refresher for me in cat-string theory. I could’ve let this one die but 1) I still want to fuck her, she’s hot as fuck and smart for her age, and 2) I can’t Next her because we haven’t fucked, so there are still stones to turn over on this one to try to turn it around lol and 3) young chicks flake, that’s just a thing they do, it’s not a big deal to them and shouldn’t be to me (it was to me because I was pretty into her).
Anyway, there’s a story of YaReally being butthurt and getting semi-one-itis and fucking up, for all my haters reading. Enjoy lol
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Oww. Cute.
Just curious, how long does a oneitis lasts with you?
P.S.
Tried that dark routine with married chicks that you wrote about long ago,
like pretending you’re helping, or that you’re happy with their arrangements totally works.
didn’t pulled it to the end, because: damn, that’s just fucked up.
Newly married and yet pullable like this… Meine Gott.
And they don’t even try to back off.
Guys if ther’s any heart left in you, don’t do that to women, and good betas that took them.
Peace.
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One-itis is rare for me these days. This particular girl was scoring off the charts in every category tho, so I was falling into it because I meet hot girls but not many of them impress me intellectually and she was sharp/witty as fuck.
It’s all good tho, if it works out it works out, if not I’m sure I’ll meet other girls like her in my travels. I’d say it’ll be a solid couple months to land this one, maybe more, just because now I have to pull back and put her on the slow track because she’s flakey and I chased too hard. So I’m basically just lightly keeping in touch until she chooses to make the logistics work when enough other guys disappoint her by not being me lol
On the married chick stuff, of course it works lol it’s field tested 😉 but how far you want to take it comes down to your own ethical/moral lines. To me a guy who doesn’t care about fucking his wife proper is more of a crime than a wife seeking sexual satisfaction elsewhere on the side.
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“To me a guy who doesn’t care about fucking his wife proper is more of a crime than a wife seeking sexual satisfaction elsewhere on the side.”
No, no. It may be temporary – that he’s not paying attention, and also kids may be involved in the whole story too.
Well even if kids aren’t involved, what are you going to do? Pull the chick out of marriage because of your passing lust for her, and once she’s out and your lust passes, you move on and she has effectively devastated her life, since her family and friends will know what had she done… All of us know that women are addicts of good feeling(very many women if not all) I just couldn’t put myself to do that, to use her weakness, against her and to satiate my lust and risk being exposed.
I see that practice of beautiful women to knowingly marry betas – so that marriage would last, but end up – or almost end up fucking up themselves in the – and because of the – heat of the moment.
Not a fan of easy explanations and easy justifications. All things have proportional consequences, though maybe not immediately.
I’m the person that just gets haunted by a bad past, so i tend to choose what do i do in the future. There is nothing better in this life than a clear conscience – i mean healthy body with healthy soul inside.
Cheers.
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Why would I pull her out of her marriage so all her friends and family know? She can just fuck me on the side in secret, then go back with a smile on her face to her sexless (or sexually unfulfilling) marriage to her nice Provider guy who doesn’t care enough about her sexual satisfaction to google how to find her clit. Hell in some cases she might have divorced him and broken up the family just because she hadn’t had a good fuck in years.
There’s no subterfuge going on on my end, I’m honest with her and she knows I’m only offering a good fuck, no string attached, not going to be her boyfriend, I don’t love her, I have other girls, etc.
In fact I’ve told girls “Don’t leave your husband for me. Don’t think that if you break up with him we’ll “be together”. If you break up with him you will never hear from me or see me ever again.” because I don’t want to be responsible for her chasing her Hypergamy to the extent that it breaks up her marriage or family.
I sleep with the clearest of consciences because I live within my own moral/ethical code, not yours. Like I say, to me her husband not putting in effort is doing more damage to their marriage than her fooling around with me…she wouldn’t be interested in fucking me if he was doing his job. If a woman gains 300lbs and stops putting out, her husband will probably cheat on her. If a guy lays around on the couch all day with no ambition and refuses to learn anything about keeping his wife attracted and sexually satisfied, she’s probably going to cheat on him.
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Allright,
Nice of you to have those principles, and nice of you to keep them.
If that’s what you really believe to be enough, than go with it, but whatever you do in your life – be sure that it’s right thing to do.
If you keep doing it while not being totally sure it’s right thing to do, became sure it is right – before you do it(if possible, due to time or other unavoidable factors), otherwise you’ll sustain damage to your inner self.
Seriously, no intention to hold any sermons or shit like that, just something from my personal experience.
And keep your consciences alive, don’t let it became numb, and utterly unsensitive, as the core of your persona will collapse, and you’ll end up with nothing that can fullfil you.
To be fullfiled in anything requires to be alive inside first.
Sorry for bad English.
All best to you.
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YaReally seems to actually *believe* the married women he fucks. For some reason, in his world, women never lie, and it’s always the husband’s fault, and she’s always sexually turned on for the husband, it’s always his fault, and of course the kids have a babysitter this afternoon, don’t worry, baby, I’m a good mother, down deep, I just need a little side action ….
YaReally, speaking for all married guys, I pronounce thee an asshole.
I wonder how many families you really HAVE damaged. Because clearly you believe what these screwed up married women are telling you.
And justifying it by saying “my moral code and yours are different” ain’t gonna cut it. I don’t walk into your house and punch you in the face, but you’re basically doing the same to the married guys you’re cuckolding — and you don’t know the real story of their marriage. You’re most likely hearing the warped, twisted stories of bored or shrewish wives who fantasize themselves as victims or uncared for.
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My soul thanks you guys for your concern lol
I don’t believe marriage and monogamy are good for people so I don’t really have any moral qualms with not respecting the concepts. I’m also not religious so I don’t put any stock in marriage from that perspective either. At the end of the day the woman is choosing to step out of a foolish contract social conditioning brainwashed her into entering. If she weren’t banging me, she’d bang someone else.
And as far as guys to cheat with go, I’m a good choice. I won’t get attached or try to woo her away from her husband and I keep things discreet and I make it clear that I’m not available to fall in love with and I make sure not to see them too frequently to avoid them falling for me quickly and I break it off if I forsee trouble on the horizon that would ruin their relationship.
And yes, to the dipshit who thinks I take women at their word about their relationships, I’m fully aware that women bullshit and paint themselves the victim. But I have a lot of experience and I do my research on their relationships (to know if I’m getting into a potentially dangerous situation) and yes some women are just selfish assholes fucking up their marriage, but an overwhelming amount of the time their man is dropping the ball either in the bedroom (usually this, most guys are shit in bed, any girl will confirm that lol), or outside of it (acting like a supplicating beta, becoming stagnant in life, etc).
A woman who believes her man is the best wont cheat on him. Her Hypergamy won’t allow it. She wants to fuck the best man possible to her. If her guy stops being the best man in her eyes, whether it’s his fault or hers, then she starts wandering. You can call me an asshole all you want, this is just how female psychology works. I can’t pick up your girl if she thinks you’re amazing, but when you start acting like a pussy and turning her off, she’ll come knocking for cock.
So again I say every guy should learn some minimal game and make it a natural part of their life and relationship. They don’t have to be hardcore about it, but they should at least learn not to let themselves get beta-ized into a guy who’s no longer attractive to their wife.
Or don’t, and blame me for “stealing” the girl you weren’t able to keep. Whatever helps you sleep at night lol
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yareally being butthurt? finally, proof that he’s just a level 85 paladin in his mom’s basement 😉
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Why do you have haters?
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When you excel at anything, you earn haters.
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lol – on the contrary. You don’t have “haters” because you excel at pickup. You have “haters” because you don’t shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
Stick to what you know – ie, practical game advice – and I guarantee you will have zero “haters”.
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No I’m right about everything always. Lol
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Like many posters have said, always spin multiple plates, assume the flake or the “no” beforehand asking, and you shall seldomly be disappointed.
I asked our a 35 yr old for saturday night @7:00pm. I also had a plan with my pals. Texted her while at my pals house, 1/2 hour before we were supposed to met, no reponse. No confirmation, so I didn’t drove away, and therefore I stayed with my pals and cared shit about the flaking.
She texted me tuesday midnight saying she is sorry, and that she literally felt asleep. Credible? Ridiculous? Perhaps both. I have learned (the painful way) not to care and to be ready to always let the idea of her go. Answered with a: “whatever” 12 hours later.
I will give her another chance, but will be extra suspicious. I will send confirmation text 1 hour beforehand, no driving at all until I receive her text, and even after that I will have backup plans in case she flakes on the spot.
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If you give her another chance, invite her to come to your place on a weeknight only. She has not earned a meeting at a bar or restaurant. Offer her a nice home cooked dinner, wine and interesting conversation. If she doesn’t show next time, so what. You have lost nothing. Delete her number and don’t bother texting anything. If you do get another ping back after a flake, the best response is “Who is this?”
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A nice home cooked dinner + wine sounds much better than a bar date to me.
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I have some Sterno and wings salvaged from KFC in the maintenance yard, big boy….
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and by “better” I mean “not supposed to happen for a girl that just flaked and gave a shitty excuse”.
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Logistics are tricky for that. At weekday traffic, she would make an hour driving to my place. Saturday night would be ideal. But, alas, for a first date it would be unlikely for her to come to my place. Wine and dinner at her place is more likely.
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couple salient points:
1) i think immediately dropping a girl when she flakes is a bad idea. you can practice, and with some of them you can re-establish hanging out or sex. best thing to do is be completely outcome independent and treat them like your bratty little sister. some girls i’ll just text every month or so with random flirty things. totally free of expectation and need is the key. have fun with it. i do have a rule that i don’t ask a third time to hang out. if i ask twice when a girl is free or tell her to meet me somewhere and she can’t, the third time is on her. i just switch to fun flirty texts without anything in person until she suggests it.
2) with SMART girls who are reasonably genuine, you can call them out if you’re totally un-needy with it. worked for me with this one girl who refused to tell me when she was free (she’s really busy in truth) – i just said “hey i don’t play games, i’ll catch you around” and it pissed her off, but in a good way. she called me, we talked, and i made it abundantly clear, in a light and un-needy way, that i enjoyed her company but did not expect her to clear her schedule out for me. what i did expect was a simple “busy, talk in a week” text. once she understood that, and understood there was no need in me (THERE HAS TO BE NONE, YOU CAN’T FAKE IT) our momentum was reestablished and things are moving now – slowly but attraction and physicality is there. i’ve always been relaxed, fun, flirty, and un-needy with her – that enabled me to get away with an anti-flaking conversation.
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Perfect: very well done and great advice – especially point #2 which is either often ignored or not well known or both. I’m reading Mark Manson’s book “models” and that’s basically the thrust of the whole book: non-neediness – neediness is at the root of so much counter-productive behavior. Everyone would do well to read that book and, if into daygame Krauser’s Daygame Nitro book. Finally, the Ultimate guide to Phone and Text game is put out by 2 guys at Lovesystems which I hope you find somewhere for free because although the book is excellent, they suck as a company (I asked for a refund because I could not access one of their books online with passwords, only limited viewings etc. and they would not give it, though they were obligated to).
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i’d also add that with this girl in particular i just started calling. was far easier to be rock-solid, flirty, and assume the sale when i could hear her voice.
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Yes–YaReally & Corvinus nailed it.
Chicks flake because the man has done a poor job of creating value and interest in her head. They’re related functions. Your value builds her interest.
A third quality needs to be mentioned that correlates with one of the Commandments of Poon–that is, one must connect with her emotions in order to generate urgency.
I think that women can see value in a man, and have some level of interest, but if there’s no emotional connection and no urgency, she may flake due to the hamsterific “busy schedule” that most modern chicks maintain these days.
I’m very interested in deep emotional connections these days, what Krauser is calling “deep conversion.” When you make that kind of connection with a chick, she will flake on others to be with you.
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deep conversion is really Game’s pinnacle if you are wired for monogamy (weirdly i am). gunslinger gregg seems a master at it. my current girl…..i gotta tell ya, once that conversion sets in you have to be very very careful to show enough beta, ESPECIALLY during day 10-16. once in that deep, a subconscious auto-eject is the only enemy, so you really gotta watch it especially if you are a natural alpha/sigma.
then get a sales job and practice game all you want. make real $$ with it.
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because we didn’t think you were worth the effort…..#sadbuttrue
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At my age, my self pride is worth more from chasing after potential pussy that treated me rudely. If I get a last minute cancellation , I just text “bummer” and nothing else. I will initiate no more contact after that. The only way I would consider her again is if she took some effort to chase me.
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I had a flake/shit-test twofer earlier this week. I have 4-5 women in close orbit these days, which is not what I want, but I don’t like pretend relationships, which is all one of them could be if I went exclusive.
We had a date set up for drinks, halfway between our homes, so nobody had to drive 45 minutes.
That afternoon, she flaked, said her sitter cancelled. Yawn: so not a surprise with this woman. [My real reaction: she owns her own company in DC, I don’t care, manage your situation, you know how, you’re always dropping overt status markers into every conversation, so be high status and have a list of babysitters.] I also didn’t believe her. I texted back:
Me: Too bad. Okay, another time.
She: Are you angry? [No, I’m “angry and bitter”, isn’t that what you say to any man who doesn’t do what you want?]
Me: [no response]
She: [it’s now 5 p.m.] Hey, great news, I convinced her to come over anyway. So I can go out now.
Me: [no response]
She phones me. “Hey, didn’t you see my texts? I can make it now. 8 p.m. at the Ritz?”
Me: “I don’t know. I was thinking of going to a movie. You cancelled, remember?”
She: “I’m so sorry blah blah blah don’t be a dick I’m a vulnerable single mother blah blah blah and my fucking ex- wouldn’t take the boys blah blah blah I miss you.”
Me: “Are you going to show up?”
She: “Of course. 8 p.m.”
An hour later: It’s now 7 p.m. She texts. “Hey, could you come to Alexandria? [Doubles my driving, she lives there. There were days when I would do this; not no more].
Me: [She just said that it was imperative to spend an extra 20 minutes with her children, who live with her 12 days out of 14.] “Let’s do this another time.”
She: “I’m just asking for A LITTLE CONSIDERATION blah blah blah for my HERCULEAN ROLE as a single mother blah blah blah blah.”
Me: “Another time.”
She’s emailed me four times since then. At this point, she is in the category Jihad describes in 1), above. If she wants to come over to my house sometime, she can, I’ll give her good wine and what she really wants. I won’t spend 45 minutes or even 20 minutes in the car to meet with her. Her flake ratio is 50% over the last few months, and the shit-tests are tedious beyond measure. I have explained that her cycles of selling and attempted manipulation are increasingly tiresome. Evidently she hasn’t figured out that she isn’t the only woman in DC with a magic vagina. The ones I prefer have good manners.
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BV I love your comments.
You are divorced and in your mid-40’s (?), if I remember right from an earlier post….?
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To be fair, sometimes they flake because of things like gas, vaginosis, and diarrhea.
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When I was single (almost 30 years ago) I only had a couple of girls flake on me and I’m pretty sure I know why. These girls were out of my league and normally only dated alphas. I had managed to make dates with them, but once they were alone and had a chance to control the hamster, in each case they came to their senses and cancelled on me. I had an interesting insight into the nature of men and women a few years afterward. One of these girls was a stunning blonde and we moved in the same ski club, so I socialized with her for several years after that. By then she had burned through several alphas and was, like me, in her mid-thirties. On a club bus trip she made a point of sitting with me and started giving me the signals that she was interested. I was surprised by my reaction; I looked at her while we talked and all I could see was this long blonde hair growing on her chin. Here she had been my dream all these years and suddenly I wasn’t interested in anymore. By this time I had self-taught myself, without even knowing what it was, enough of a rudimentary form of game that I was doing a lot better with women and shortly after I snagged myself another blonde who was 10 years younger and we’ve been happily ever after.
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Why call yourself BetaBoy?
Good on you for passing up the used-up mid-30’s hamster and snagging a cute young blond.
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Sometimes the reminder where you were and how you improved doesn’t hurt.
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The main reason why girls flake because aspies plow too hard and don’t know how to read a girls’ signals when they aren’t interested.The girl, trying not to be awkward or mean to the guy, agrees under pressure to give the guy her #, or to promise to go out on a date. Then she just flakes because she was never interested in him to begin with.
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Hey I got a situation here CH. I know this isn’t relevant to this post, but I wanted to ask here to maybe have the other readers give advice too.
I’ve been dating (and banging) this cute polish American chick for the last year, and I’ve met her family and they love me so everything is all good between us, but..she has a cousin (20 years old) who recently came from Poland. Her cousin is a beautiful slender blond who’s been dating a brown Peruvian guy. The cousins dad doesn’t approve because he’s very nationalistic, and I don’t approve either. I told my girlfriend about this and even though she doesn’t like IR dating, she said that if her cousin wants to do that, it’s fine.
So here’s the situation: I’m invited to my GFs place for a barbecue and her cousin is gonna be there with the Peruvian, so what I want to do is make her cousin feel shamed, but I can’t just come out and say that she’s a dirty whore bcs that would obviously totally ruin my relationship with my GF and her family. I need a more subtle way of doing this. I was thinking of being cool and friendly with everyone at first, but then eventually dropping my appreciation for polish culture (I’m not polish, but I’m white) and maybe saying how it’s a shame that Poland has a low birth-rate and that there should be more polish people in the world.
Thing is, I want to come of friendly and build rapport to get myself good with everyone (I think the cousins family is gonna be there) and then plant the seeds of racial pride in her cousins mind in a way that won’t seem obvious or offensive. Any suggestions?
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Quit being such a racist asshole man how about that for advice.
If this guy is treating the cousin well, stay out of it, why are you hating bro?
And coming here for that kind of advice? And disrupting the thread completely?
Sounds like you’re doing this to appease your Polish girl too. Damn Naz I had higher expectations from you.
You sound gay.
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Heh, heh… imagine that… another mischling South/Central American pissed that YT doesn’t like blonde Europeans throwing away their genetic gifts on the wee brown folk.
Don’t try to snow the snow man, you weak hermana… I saw your fist in the air at that last Aztlan rally, screaming “Viva La Raza!”
And with that chapeau you sport, I wouldn’t be too quick to sling around the “gay”.
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Greg
I get more Pussy than you! Remember that.
You don’t go out and cold approach.
You don’t get flaked on because you don’t get digits and no girl would give them to your washed up ass sporting Dad jeans.
You shouldn’t even be commenting here because the last time you probably got flaked on was before cell phones were invented.
I’m 5’8, Latin American and slightly overweight and STILL bang more “white” American girls than you do. This is from putting the work in and not being born to some predisposed “genetic lottery”
Wrap that around your head bro. No one except the newbs take your advice which you copy and paste. They eventually find out you’re full of shit and don’t have legitimate and recent experience to back it up.
You’re trolling on a blog where you don’t add value and your only superiority is based off the color of your skin and not the effort you put in towards banging girls in their 20s and 30s. Remember that.
I own you. If we were out at a bar you wouldn’t even stand a chance. Shut the fuck up already this is the last response you’ll ever get.
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I get more Pussy than you! Remember that.
So you say. I’ve probably turned down most of the pussy that turned YOU down. llozozolzllzozolzlzlzozozlzlzlzl
I own you. If we were out at a bar you wouldn’t even stand a chance.
What you own is a ridiculous blinged-out Goober cap… and an attitude that, if we were out at a bar, would get you owning a pair of dentures, you pismire.
Shut the fuck up already this is the last response you’ll ever get.
You mad, brah?
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“I get more Pussy than you! Remember that.”
Rofl…The resentful omegas who didn’t lose their V-card till their mid-20s really do tell on themselves don’t they?
It doesn’t matter what the discussion is about – their one and only retort is always some variation of “omg dude u obviously dont go out // i totally get more pussy than u! neenerneener”
Is it relevant? Who cares.
Is it true? Doesn’t matter.
Is it impressive? DOESN’T MATTER!
They just toss it out there, like it’s the only thing in the world – and then have the gal to accuse their opponent of trying to win dick measuring contests on the Internet.
Hey dude, congrats on overcoming your failure at the genetic lottery. I bet it was difficult having to wait longer than most, but you finally made it to the promised land. WELCOME TO THE CLUB BRO!
But now that you’re a winner, will you please stop talking like such a loser?
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I couldn’t hear you please remove Greg’s dick from your mouth next time.
Enjoy life from behind a keyboard
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“I get more Pussy than you! Remember that.”
lol – that has to be the weakest comeback i’ve ever seen
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Nice John. Readers here frequently appreciate your insight, commentary, stories and feedback.
– Said no one, ever.
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Naz, if dregs approves of your racist shit, you know you’re on the wrong track. Does the virtue of minding your own business, because you may not be as smart as you think you are make any sense to you?
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Does the virtue of minding your own business, because you may not be as smart as you think you are make any sense to you?
Okay, boys and girls, it’s time again to play,,,
CAN… YOU… SPOT… THE… IRONY!!!
(raucous applause from the studio audience)
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Well, good luck with that.
As you will have noticed, in re
I told my girlfriend about this and even though she doesn’t like IR dating, she said that if her cousin wants to do that, it’s fine.
the only thing you can count on from women (much like our tribal friends) is that… come hell or high water, right or wrong, family or stranger, political beliefs (such as they are, when speaking of women)… they will NEVER side with you against one of their own.
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Mind your own business, and let her father handle it. If you want to be father figure, get your girlfriend to give you your own daughter.
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You must be a self-appointed racial purity czar? Great news, the world needs more of them.
I’m curious why a cousin’s personal life is any of your business, and where you get the authority to call a complete stranger a whore at the same time that you are angling to ingratiate yourself with her family.
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Hey, I wanna preserve my culture and my heritage. If every white girl did that, in two generations there would be no more of us left. I don’t want to live in a country with no white people, but you’re right, I forgot that we’re the only ones not allowed to have any pride.
My bad.
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Just shun the race-mixing whore. Be curt and cold, talk to her as little as possible, and show that you have no interest in wanting to know her. Not that the Poles have much racial value, anyways.
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Aks her how she can lower herself like that and does she not care if her kids look like her or not. Make ironic, back handed compliments to her etc. Tell her she’ll be a big hit with late night Walmart crowd, etc.
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You’re sounding too stiff to me, and it won’t work.
I mean birth rates? Totally gonna suck.
Who cares(if they don’t care beforehand)
I really don’t think you can do much here, you’re an outsider, not a family.
But if the talking ever gets to these subjects DO show that you are proud of what you are: White and Christian(i pressume). Stick to positivety, don’t go hating, nothing good can get out of that in that situation.
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This is the best advice I’ve received. I think you’re right, it’s better to focus on the positive instead of being an emotional vampire…if the subject comes up. If not, it’s probably best not to bring it up.
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Sounds like you want the cousin. That’s also what it’ll seem like to your girlfriend and everybody else.
So…you can dump the girl you’re with now for her cousin (which is way too typical of certain people but I’m trying really hard not to judge due to HBD and all that), or you can mind your own business.
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My GFs cousin is only marginally hotter, and I really like my GF anyways she’s a great girl.
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Hehehe…Try that with someone who isn’t a “great girl”.
Very few men are of the sort who wouldn’t take the hotter cousin if they have a shot. The fact that you’re still worried about her virtue after the Peruvian has already hit that says you’re not one of them.
Guys who appreciate a woman’s character, but are ethnocentric to the point of regulating non family, would care for as long as she was either a virgin or still playing by the rules of the culturally acceptable carousel.
It is normal, for instance, for Christian Arabs to have premarital sex, but in most cases, they marry that person, or are at least betrothed until children are born and then married officially. Jews here in Israel are usually expected to experiment a bit in the Army, with other Jews and perhaps the odd undesignated or Christian Russian, but this is fairly limited.
Once a person strays outside normal cultural constraints, they’re a tragic story and nobody cares what they do except to gossip about it. Nobody is trying to save them.
If you step in and try to do so, you’re first of all, mistaking the family’s gossip for serious concern, and second, you’ll out yourself as hot for the cousin.
Tread cultural landmines with the greatest of care.
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It is normal, for instance, for Christian Arabs to have premarital sex, but in most cases, they marry that person, or are at least betrothed until children are born and then married officially.
I agree with this. Here in Cyprus it’s the same. It is very difficult for a woman to find a man to marry her if she is unwilling to have pre-marital sex.
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Eastern Orthodox and Catholics in the middle east, tend to marry for life. Divorce is a very long, grueling, and usually humiliating process, especially for the woman. So they just want to make sure that it has staying power from the beginning.
So they’re often testing for both frigidity and fertility at the beginning. It’s also a test of trust. Once the families know they’re together, there is very little risk of a breakup, but there is still some risk if the girl was found not to be a virgin or if her performance was sub par (or his was, and he blames her for it). There is the possibility that she could end up deflowered and rejected. It will be hard for her to find a husband after that.
Hormones and the desire to get to the making babies will get most good natured gals over that hump 😉 The frigid or overly paranoid though, it won’t so they just won’t get married unless they find a chump.
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A flight attendant I gamed more than a year ago flaked the first time we were supposed to meet:
A few hours before meeting up she texted:
“Sorry, am not well, can’t meet today, another time,”
ME: I waited until 10 minutes after our proposed meeting time and replied:
“Oh, just got this, if we meet up again you’re buying”
Her: yah, sure hahah cool
Then over the next 6 months, I gamed her hard, ignored her, push-pull etc.
Eventually she came over one night—told me she forgot to wear underwear and banged me.
So, yes, you can reverse flakes, but you have to have options and not get too bent out of shape about them.
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I’ve used the same thing except I add “And I’m gonna order the most expensive thing on the menu”
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I’ve been banging this woman I’m in love with for a couple of years. Right now she’s on a vacation in Peru with friends, but I’m happy for the space. Sometimes a man just needs to drink two homebrewed beers and watch The Colbert Report, ya know?
My problem, which I have under control but thought I would mention for this audience, is that I keep seeing this girl, Emma, I used to go out with on Facebook. In fact, I’ll even admit that sometime when I’m licking on my fiancee, Dora, ‘s stinky fur between her beefy thighs while she reads Slate, I’ll have passing fantasies about Emma’s less pungent paper-cut of a cunt.
Luckily, they are just passing fantasies.
But sometimes Dora makes me so angry it makes me want to slam half a beer and vote for Rand Paul. That’s how I get sometimes when I’m angry. You wouldn’t want to see me when I’m angry…
Anyway, just blowing off some stream here. But I do recommend everyone get and marry a real lady. One like Dora, despite her fat belly, wherever she is.
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You’re so obviously a chick it’s hilarious.
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That’s not why it’s hilarious.
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Not with that language…
I’m guessing more like a guy pretending to be a JAP girl pretending to be a guy… Loser/Loseria… Bergstein.
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Why Dregs, it just occurred to me– you’re a Jew-baiting MORON!! How entertaining! Do you have an over at home? Why don’t you turn it on and crawl in!!!
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What makes you so sure that I’m not a self-loathing Jew?
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I wanted to add that radio silence does work, one flake i didnt talk to for months, out of the blue she texts me and is literally pissed that i didnt reach out to her or anything. meanwhile shes trash talking me to some of my friends. lol. so when she flakes dont be all, where you at, or whats up. Just ignore her for a while, its chick crack cocaine, and 9/10 times she will be the one to break radio silence though it might take some time.
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Damn! I coulda used this two days ago…things kinda rocky with the girlfriend so i started texting this hot blonde i havnt seen in a few months. her second text took over a day, thought i was the one gettin gamed. Been scratching my head about it since, i know for a fact i am perceived as an alpha in her eyes. My default is to just forget about em all together, but must admit ive been thinking about the text convo Ever since. Its reassuring to see that not even alphas are immune to the flake.
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Anyone else think the “gay” response might not give you the best odds in this age when most young women sympathize with the ultra-uptight PC culture?
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Not really. When I’m running big city game, one of the many dynamics working in my favor is how I set myself apart from the standard-issue liberal post-grad pencilneck mangina.
These guys all buy into Statist doctrine, or in some cases choose to parrot it out of fear of being exiled from their PC social cocoon. I’ve banged “educated” sluts even after making them red with anger over my traditionalist beliefs.
That being said, I generally don’t recommend discussing politics/religion with hamsters because a) they don’t possess the mental faculties that birth intelligent discussion on the topic and b) it can get in the way of a same night lay.
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No it’s fine.
Her being offended and chewing you out for it is like the dress code for bars: it only applies to ugly people.
When you’re attractive to her and rock solid congruent, you can do anything. You can tell her you work in a baby grinding factory.
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One of the only obvious players still posting here. Keep it coming YR.
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Obvious player…. high praise, indeed. looozlzozozlzlzlzozlzlzlllll
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well, i’m sure he’ll retract the compliment after he learns that you’re the coolest dude on the planet.
hey, guys, in case you all were wondering what “coolest” might look like, it is as follows: be in your 50s, post all day on a message board, make every effort to include a pun (the lamer, the better) in every post, don’t know anything about women or their nature, esuck matt king’s ecock when other commenters deign to question his authority and knowledge, and and, above all else, be pathologically dedicated to racism and antisemitism to the exclusion of almost every else.
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You mad, brah?
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esuck matt king’s ecock when other commenters deign to question his authority and knowledge
Sorry, folks… we’ve already played Can You Spot The Irony for today… but here’s a look at next week’s show!
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One method that I’ve heard cuts flakes down drastically that I’m surprised I haven’t heard mentioned in this college of knowllege is simply this: If you have the faintest suspicion she’ll flake then flake on her first. I got that idea from Brent in one of David D’s programs: he did it as a matter of practice to every new girl and if you’ll look at his youtube videos you’ll quickly see that the guy has a stone cold ‘realpolitik’ way of doing things. I have not done this in years but I think I’m gonna again
After flaking on them (how often do you think that happens to them ???) ‘the hamster spins…..’
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This. Massively recommend it. Ironically but predictably, if you flake first, even if she planned to flake on you and KNOWS she planned to flake, she’ll sometimes go “what!! No one flakes on me!!” and/or “what?! He has better plans than seeing me?? Is it another girl??” and be more driven to make meeting up actually happen.
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Women get their own RealDoll, betas inconsolable
http://f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/806425
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lol
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They already have a million kinds of vibrators and dildos to leave them frigid non-orgasmic-from-penetration, callus-clitted cunty bitches so whats one more femininity destroying toy?
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A lot of “flakes” are simply power trips. The woman never has any intention of turning up, but it makes her feels powerful to give a man the runaround. If you are really unlucky, she turns up, has sex with you, and then phones the police to report you for rape. This didn’t happen to me, but it did to someone I know. Even though there were witnesses to her willingness who were in the same room (ugh!), and she had a history of making similar accusations, the police still arrested the guy and he spent a night in the cells and a few months before charges were dropped.
If she merely fails to turn up, you have had a lucky escape. Remember that, and don’t get angry.
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met a guy in a bar. liked him. didn’t kiss him because i don’t do that on the first night regardless of how hot the dude is. but i definitely would have had something with him later on. even gave him my number and i very rarely give out my number. very rarely.
however, this is what happened: he started texting, called, sending messages on fb. he presumed that because i liked him that night and acted interested that my feelings for him will escalate right away. i wanted somebody that will work for it of course but not in a needy way.
so point of the story: if he was an alpha the way you are all describing and acted all badass he wouldn’t have gotten me. in my mind the guy should always pursue. if he is (which he is) a needy dude that was showing too much how much he likes me, not good either. I needed playfulness, aloofness but still continued interest.
i flaked on him 20 times and never saw him since. he still contacts me. for me he’s as good as dead. fucking sad cause i’m sure he’s a cool guy. i can’t help it though.
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Indeed bitches are stupid and horrible at identifying good future husbands and fathers as this guy clearly is.
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Why are you still responding? Seems to me like you enjoy the attention and validation.
Which makes me wonder what kind of deficiency in your personality is presenting itself in this post. You do give some marginally valuable advice, but then you try to show-off to us by saying you flaked on him 20 times. But surely, you kept responding to his advances after 19 of those times and I ask why? Why not stop responding or telling him you’re not interested or hey, you can even LJBF the guy (he’ll get over it, we all do.)
I’m filing this under a common pattern I see with women commenting on this blog. They try to fit in and give some halfway credible advice, but then they shit all over it by inserting stories of how desirable they are. The same idea that’s on display in your comment is on display in the story regarding it’s protagonist’s failed seduction.
I’m not going to throw the stone though, I still display some of the lower-tier behaviors I just witnessed. Hopefully you see the rock in my hand; I’ll put it back in my pocket.
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If you’re still butthurt enough about women liking attention that you call it a personality deficiency, you’re at beginner mode in the game. Go get laid, you will immediately cease to have principles about how women should act once they start fucking you as they are.
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This.
And lose the beanie, beaner. lulz
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So he respected your wishes to hold off on kissing the first night. You like a guy who pursues. He pursues. But it’s not the kind of pursue you want, so you string him along. He pursued nobly and struck out. If he acted aloof, he would’ve struck out also.
We all know you’ve done more than kiss on the first night. This guy is lucky he didn’t get that far.
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if you expect the guy to do all the work you are limiting the pool of men you have access to. the top dogs expect the seduction process to be mutual
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I think the exact opposite. 100% of my experience, the hotter she is, the less she has to meet you halfway. This is no real ego blow – it just means you get to be more aggressive and question yourself less. Does that sound like work? If so, you’re doing it wrong.
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Agreed, and with high SMP/high status women, it is. Of course, I wouldn’t call Nikki high value, just as I don’t believe for a second that she flaked on one guy “20 times” and he kept coming back for more.
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Why do girls flake? Because they can.
Seriously, what consequences are there for a girl flaking in today’s society? Almost none. When there start being consequences, girls will flake less. Until then, learn to deal with it as CH and others say.
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Totally fucking nude negresses, oh yeah.
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Wha? Is the July issue of Nat’l Geo out early?
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CH, first (most recently) the Boston muzzie bomber, now Aaron “Thug4Life” Hernandez. Groupies. I’m done. Seriously. I’m done. I’m done getting blown off by women who, if they knew, *wish* they could be with me *either* for a ONS or LTR or marriage. I’m good at both. Seriously, even though I can’t prove it as an internet tuff guy. I’m going to just focus 100% on me (and my kids from prior marriage) and play my guitar, lift weights (as always), eat healthy, not spend any more time poisoning my body with alcohol and 2nd hand smoke in bars. I guess y’all will tell me that by doing this, perhaps one day the right woman will fall into my life–like I’ll meet her at a book store or something. Yeah I know that being aloof does not mean standing in the corner never talking to girls; the guy has to approach and make it happen. Thing is…I’ve done that plenty in my life, and I’ve had success, especially from age 24-27, when I got married so I could make my parents young grandparents. I’ve banged 18 women in my life and played with boobs (got to “third base”) with about 10 more. I’m 38. So I’m not a total beta loser, but I”m having more trouble now at age 38, divorced with kids, even though I have a good career. I think the 38/divorced/kids factor outweighs, on the negative side, the good career/charm/confidence. I *do* have charm. When I go out, in a bar, in an elevator, in a book store, on the street, I have no trouble chatting up girls, getting them to like me. Had no trouble getting actual face-to-face meetups when I was on match.com for 3 months. But I’m having trouble finding any good girls who can even slightly deviate from the things you write about here. Despite this rambling post, another thing I’m going to do is simply say less words, period, in my life, either by email, text, or talking. I’m gonna make it happen by doing things like going to meet-ups where people get together and run, as opposed to drinking alcohol in bars. When I get a cute girl out with me again, I’m going to simply say less and lean back and practice alpha body language above all else, I think.
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Therapy, dude; but not with a normal one. Get an old, male Jungian.
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I caught a nude negress in the hallway of my hotel late at night. She ran back into her room and wouldnt come out. Got me thinking, if Haiti required all their woman to walk around nude, all the tourism dollars flowing in would end a lot of their problems.
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Best flake response: Had a date with a woman set up for a jazz bar in chicago. naturally she flaked. Waited 45 minutes then started trolling the room and hooked up with an incredible multi ethnic babe for fun. A week later flake calls and offers a really lame, bullshit excuse. I responded ‘it was a great night. Met another woman there and had dinner with her. She was really shocked. Like the you can hear the catch in her voice shocked. She said maybe we can get together soon. I said no and hung up the phone. It was sweet.
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In LA its always been about ‘the better offer’ with extreme prejudice. The best response I’ve ever heard to a girl who no-shows is the ‘oh sorry I couldn’t make it the other night’.
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Wow, did i get banned!!!
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I didn’t get banned but I waaaaaant to use my proooxxxxyyyy, the bad guys are after me!!!
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Men with options understand female behavior. When you have 2 girls, you schedule them. When you have 10 at various levels of involvement, which is not particularly unusual for a social person in the city, keeping track is impossible. You wind up wherever you wind up.
Put it this way: if you don’t understand female flakiness, it’s because you’ve never flaked yourself. And that’s only because you’ve never had enough going on to stop micromanaging your social life. Give it a whirl, it should be your ultimate goal anyway.
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Yep. This.
When I was younger and more energetic, I had rotations of anywhere from 5-10 chicks on the go. My phone would blow up constantly with txts, like literally all day/night long. I’d double/triple book girls and go with whichever one was the easiest and most convenient, or was offering the best stuff (like paying for our drinks or cooking me food etc), and flake on the others legitimately not caring which one I banged that night.
When you have a lot of attention, you don’t even care if you piss them off because if they get mad and hate you for a while, 1) you’re happy to have one less person you need to txt back and give attention to, and 2) you know they’ll come back eventually even if you don’t do anything lol
Most girls, even ugly ones, have a bunch of orbiters chasing them. An average to ugly girl will have the same amount of attention I just described…a HOT girl? Multiply that by 10. A 9 or 10 who’s social and goes out a lot? Multiply it by 100.
And I only had it for a few months here and there AND had to work for it by approaching/closing purposely…a hot girl will have had it thrown at them, just for being hot, since they sprouted titties.
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The 2 posts above highly illuminating and, I believe, paint the picture as it actually is.
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YaReally, have you any thoughts in your archive about how to prevent chicks from trying to sabotage you with other girls? I don’t know how you deal with jealousy and psychotic behaviour from chicks who want you all to themselves and will try to fuck up your chances with their competitors– using Facebook to spy on you for example and contact other chicks you’re boning. A second question is then, what do you think of relatively indiscriminately adding chicks you’ve banged to Facebook — asking for trouble? (I know CH exhorts us to jettison fb, but some of us can use it to leverage some social status to our benefit with it).
Apologies this is a bit off topic.
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Time to work on your badass authoritative alpha “tough love” dad side. Snuff bad behavior out with Soft and Hard Nexts:
http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions
It’s important to lay the law down and lay it down hard, to keep your life drama free. I used stuff that went something like “Shhht. No more of that nonsense. These girls are my friends and I care about them, like I care about you. I like spending time with you, but if you’re going to talk shit about my friends and start drama in my life then you can find some other guy…I started seeing you because I thought you WEREN’T drama, that was one of the things I liked about you, but if I was wrong, that’s cool, you can delete my number and find a guy who will put up with that shit.” where it still makes her feel good/special, but gets the point across that talking smack about my other girls and causing me drama are not acceptable behaviors and I am 100% willing to end things if she keeps doing it. And if I end things it’s not “we’ll still keep in touch”, it’s “I’m deleting you, never contact me again, you don’t get ANY part of me or my attention/time/energy.”
Another method I used now and then that I think I got from Mystery’s stuff is to just act less interested (txt less frequently and use one word answers so she asks “what’s wrong?”) after she does something bad…then when she asks, just act a little confused like “I dunno…I mean, I used to look forward to txting you and seeing you, but after the drama you started on Facebook…I dunno, I guess I’m just not feeling it as much now. I only keep positive people in my life that add to it instead of bring me drama, so it’s hard for me to really be attracted to someone who I know will cause me headaches…I dunno, maybe we should take a break or something…” where here you’re letting her know that her behavior has turned you off, without explicitly laying down the law like a boss…
The end result is the same with either method, it just comes down to which is more congruent for your personality and the type of girl you’re dealing with and how serious the relationship is etc.
The jist of all these methods, including soft and hard Nexts, is: she does something wrong, you let her know it was wrong and take away most of your attention (or all of your attention temporarily), she worries about that, you let her know what she did wrong, and if she smartens up you take her back no grudge held, if she continues you take away all your attention forever until she gets with the program.
I used to let girls post on my Facebook. There are benefits in that they get jealous and you’re socially proofed etc but I found it to be too much drama for me ultimately and I’ve grown enough that all the benefits I used to get from it are things that I naturally exude. ie – I don’t need her to see pics of me with other women, she just assumed because I’m so attractive to her that I must have other women, know what I mean?
I have a VERY low threshold for drama tho…I like my life nice and peaceful. So calibrate to yourself…some guys don’t mind drama, and some guys thrive on drama lol
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Calibrate to yourself. I like that, it takes something complex and makes it simple.
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Ryu on facebook? You must be a new Ryu. Or pigs are flying.
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Guys can’t expect any manners out of chicks just like the lower races they are literally less evolved than we are. Hence the lack of manners and attraction to simple jungle music. http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm homosapien betas would have mated with Neanderthal females just like how white Australians mated with aboriginal women.
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Hence the lack of manners and attraction to simple jungle music.
Funny you should say… just the other day I was at this semi-redneck bar and suddenly, instead of the usual seventies/eighties/nineties nostalgia material, the DJ plays this hard-core rap song, the lyrics of which went something like a continuous stream of “Get out the way, bitch… step aside, bitch”, that sort of thing.
The DJ must have seen one or two of us suddenly look up with a glaring WTF? expression, and he sheepishly says over the loud speaker “Don’t kill me… the two ladies at the bar requested this song.”
Sho’ nuff’… not a dark face in the crowd, but these two twenty-something 6’s that looked like they were probably doing their farm chores earlier in the day were bobbing and wiggling and jollily singing along to this overtly misogyn claptrap.
This country’s done.
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“Sho’ nuff’… not a dark face in the crowd, but these two twenty-something 6′s that looked like they were probably doing their farm chores earlier in the day were bobbing and wiggling and jollily singing along to this overtly misogyn claptrap.”
Isn’t this just a manifestation of the female desire to be dominated though? I can’t imagine women getting their sexual thrills and chills on the dance floor from a John Denver song, lol.
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Because… obviously… John Denver music is the only alternative.
You fairy.
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There is Marduk, Therion, Cattle Decapitation, and if she’s in a lighter mood, Ghost.
“Come together…together as one…”
Very danceable, that. 🙂
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“That jazz music. It’s going to be the end of us. I read it in this book The Rise of the Colored People.”
— Greg Eliot, 1920
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Your snark jumped the shark right around then as well.
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Shows once again how bereft you are of proper analogy… hell, even the jazz greats of today rail mightily against the puerility and atavism of the “rap” genre.
Out the way, bitch.
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In its early days, jazz was hated by the bourgeoisie for its association with interracial sex.
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1917beyond/essays/jazz.htm
Fail more, hater.
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Too rich, those sources of yours… positively orgiastic for the org sites, are we?
You really hit all the Cathedral, cogdis and SWPL talking points at every opportunity, don’t you, alphie?
What does this have to do with negroes themselves (leastwise, those with jazz chops) decrying the rap genre?
Are you acting like it’s news to learn of yesteryear’s white folks warning about the dangers of race-mixing due to rhythmic music such as jazz and (especially) rock n’ roll?
Old story, we’ve all seen the broadcasts and smirked, while rocking to the Stones, et. al.
But seeing as how so-called “popular” music has progressed to its current state, not fully understanding at the time that maybe… just maybe… they had somewhat of a point?
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Greg Eliot, have you listened to popular music lately? Parts of it are more complex and well-orchestrated than ever before. Some of the best creative minds on earth are out there, using new tools, figuring out how to move people with new sounds.
Yes, today, jazz musicians are the most facile. They improvise the most quickly. But that doesn’t make them songwriters. That doesn’t make them emotional players. That doesn’t make them anything except people with very fast fingers or lips. And they’re notoriously snobby about playing anything less than complicated arrangements. They’ve ghettoized themselves, since few people like that kind of emotionally unrewarding music.
You’re a real donkey. Music is not in decline. In fact, we’ve got more music than EVER before. And a percentage of it is really good. The same percentage it’s always been.
If this is too challenging to understand, grumpy old man, if you’ve never actually tried to find new music (hint: check Soundcloud, where it’s free), then just go back into your mancave and keep pissing and moaning and fretting about the Ns and the Js and the cogdis agents and the entire cast of characters in your mental paranoia play.
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Oh … and the fact that you’re still saying “rap” is hilarious. “Rap” was replaced 20 years ago by the term “hip-hop”, which was much more orchestrated and heavily produced. Now hip-hop has splintered too, into about a thousand different genres.
When white boys like Jimmy Fallon and JT do a “History of Rap” on late night variety shows, you know the genre is finished.
The analogy stands.
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Somehow most of us here knew… just knew… that you’d be into rap… and enough of an SWPL hipster doofus to say “Tsk… it’s now hip-hop!”
Keep you warm, alphie… if you think today’s pop music isn’t in a state of decline, especially compared to earlier generations, when the recordings didn’t cookie-cut with the same studio musicians over and over… and everyone from the Stones to Dusty to Dionne to Aretha to Motown to even Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin and Freddy and the Dreamers, for Christ sake, could still appear in the Top 10, well… let’s just say our worlds are not sympatico
But you knew that already… you fairy.
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@ Greg Eliot
“if you think today’s pop music isn’t in a state of decline, especially compared to earlier generations, when the recordings didn’t cookie-cut with the same studio musicians over and over..”
I almost blew soda out of my nose. Have you seen “Standing in the Shadows of Motown”? Those dudes — all jazz players — were a factory, churning out all of Motown’s tracks for about a decade. The same studio musicians, over and over.
You’re unbelievably out of touch, or drunk, or dain-bramaged.
Today’s popmakers don’t even *use* live musicians.
Also, I listen to everything (except Jamaican steel drum music, cuz it gives me a headache). But hip-hop is at the bottom of my list — and it’s disappearing from the pop charts anyways, as everything’s shifting in favor of house/dubstep.
I don’t expect you to know what those things are, so just keep talking about the one thing you know instead — Nazi Germany.
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Have you seen “Standing in the Shadows of Motown”? Those dudes — all jazz players — were a factory, churning out all of Motown’s tracks for about a decade. The same studio musicians, over and over.
And yet the music didn’t sound cookie-cutter, did it? Which was the point… as opposed to, say, pop country over the past ten years or more… and your beloved rap bullshit, which sounds like it all came out of the same synth… and the same lyrically retarded minds.
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man i am definitely not down with the racist bullshit some of y’all post. it’s one thing to criticize a culture (although cultures are NOT monolithic and have far more variation than you think), but it’s another thing entirely to bust out some 1850’s style pseudo-science about africans having smaller brains. it’s just incorrect.
we can safely talk about the biological differences between men and women due to hard science about how hormones and evolutionary genetics affect us. the evidence isn’t there for making a racial divide on that basis.
besides, if a bunch of mean white people invaded your country and stole your children, you might do some drugs too, asshole. australians don’t have a right to talk shit about aboriginal folks, ever.
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youre delusional. and your feels are are showing.
cranial cavities are measurable.
Take a good look at your argument: (a) physical and mental differences between SEXES are measurable, (b) but ONLY physical differences between RACES are measurable; all else evolving EXACTLY the same notwithstanding extreme differences in environmental demands.
Tell me, how do you Write a Sonnet in Aborigine?
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Success and income and concentration of hard drugs, sugar, and industrial poisons in the blood are measurable as well. When there are no more defective, poor, drug addicted, lazy, ill, or crazy “white” people, then you have place to look down on others. Until then, all you have to cling to is statistics that mean nothing to your quality as individuals.
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Math is hard for girls.
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Yes, I am having a hard time understanding how 1% translates to 100% in neo neanderthalese.
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But are you down with the sickness?
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You must understand that their savagery isn’t savagery because they’re “white”. They’re exempt from natural laws and the definitions of words only apply when one is speaking of non “white” people.
If a non “white” person kills someone without a legitimate reason, they are a murderer. When a “white” person does it, they are a hero.
That’s how that works.
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You and your ilk continue to babble your ooga-booga bullshit, revanchist claptrap, and outright lies…
Yet wonder why racism persists… go figure.
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According to you, racism, like your tendency to shit on your plate (as you do here daily) is perfectly natural and therefore acceptable.
So, being a believer in HBD, I wasn’t judging you for your level of thinking at all. I was merely explaining what you were trying to say into the common language of homo sapiens.
You can’t help your genetic makeup and the tendencies of people of your particular type, to attempt to exempt yourselves from Nature or common judgements. Why, in the first book of your favorite book of books, your god tells you that your have dominion over all of the other animals. You take that to mean that you as a “white” person have dominion over all the rest of us because we’re just animals.
Please do correct me if I have said anything inaccurate about your beliefs.
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Please do correct me if I have said anything inaccurate about your beliefs.
I continuously correct you, yet it never registers… hence the usual “mock only” responses.
You and alphie-who-loves-to-snipe are the only plate-shitters here…
You’re so wrapped up in your own nonsensical ideas and biases, that everything you hear which doesn’t suit your sensibilities just gets put at the doorstep of the one who galls you the most.
Fast example: if memory serves, it’s pretty much whorefinders schtick to say the more outrageous things about negroes (especially in re ‘animals’)… indeed, sometimes he strays so far off the reservation that even I have to upbraid his hyperbole.
Yet you attempt to lay that tripe on my doorstep… along with the usual weak-minded barb at Christianity.
You rail at stereotyping, yet mouth the very same type of bias yourself. even more adamantly.
And then put on airs of smug moral and intellectual superiority… which merits, not the few sentences I’ve typed here… those are for the beneift of the peanut gallery… but the usual
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Oh, and of course, here comes the expected backpedal.
So it wasn’t you calling me “negress” and what I was saying “ooga booga”. It was your evil twin or whore wearing your handle, right?
You’ve never used a racial slur here ever ever. We’re all just hallucinating it.
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Anyone want to place odds on Greg Eliot and Nicole spawning an interracial lovechild in the near future?
Seriously you two, get a fucking room.
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Oh, and in case your oh so superior mind in your massive cranial cavity can’t sink to the depth of my inferior monkey brain, as the rest of us see it, I haven’t said anything that most humans would interpret as against all “white” people. In context, with runes scarred across my arm, it would be kinda dumb for me to be “anti white”. So you can’t pin that label on me until photos stop somehow propagating.
We’re all clear that what I’m against is your self pity, not your color.
Also, the barb was aimed at all of the major three monotheistic/judaic faiths. Perhaps the massively ridged brow kept you from spotting that.
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What does slinging around racial slurs, repaying in coin of the realm, especially on the internet, have to do with anything:?
You think THAT in and of itself means the opponent is not viewed as human… or that, ipso facto ALL members of one’s one tribe are “superior”?
It’s to laugh that you would extrapolate to that ridiculous level… and even more laughable when you then continuously talk about the “self-pity” of others.
Please, girl… just toss in the losing hand already.
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Greg, if you would like to not appear to be a dumbass, stop saying dumbassed things. It’s that simple.
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Anyone want to place odds on Greg Eliot and Nicole spawning an interracial lovechild in the near future?
Seriously you two, get a fucking room.
That song’s been played before… soooooo played.
If you would attempt wit, try something not so 14 minutes and 59 seconds ago.
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Oh? Been to America lately?
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I was just attempting to translate neo neantherthalism into realism.
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Yeah, and up is down, and 2 + 2 = 5.
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In Greg’s mind, you are correct because you’re “white” and one of his cheerleaders.
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I’m nobody’s cheerleader. But, if I see egregious bs being spouted, I call out the spouter on it.
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I also don’t condone racism. I think it is ugly.
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Well all-righty then… I, for one, feel roundly chastised.
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I just think it doesn’t make sense. We have good and bad people in every race
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When you move refrigerators all day like Dregs does, you need someone to look down on to feel better.
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See, Greg can’t understand this. His oversized neanderthalist brain is far too superior, and we all fail to see his superior logic. In his mind, there are no bad “white” people. Non “white” people embody all that is wrong with the world, especially ‘Murka, and killing us for whatever reason, is a good thing.
In his superior mind, my posts constitute “ooga booga” because since I am not “white”, it is utterly impossible that I could be saying anything else.
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Puh-leeze! Not the ol’ NAxALT routine.
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Yeah, either Greg Eliot is a troll supreme with an enormous racist agenda, or he is truly brain-damaged. I vote for the first.
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In his superior mind, my posts constitute “ooga booga” because since I am not “white”, it is utterly impossible that I could be saying anything else.
See, this is why you can’t be taken seriously… and it’s EXACTLY another example of that “ooga-booga bullshit” I continually call you on.
Pure binary black/white options in your ilk’s minds… no matter how many times shades of grey are implicitly understood and even stated outright.
This is why you and your kind fail, as a whole… and why whites build the kind of societies that you flock to… or at least, are loathe to leave, even when the door is wide open…. like your yap.
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Ah yes, with my tiny africanoid brain and barely 60 IQ. I must be failing to see that when you say things like, “your kind” and “ooga booga” and call me “negress” and comment on the roundness and size of my ass in a durogatory, oh excuse me, heroic manner, and talk about the societies that “whites” built, you are being subtle.
I am missing some subtle gray areas because of my debilitating lack of gray matter, right?
Yes, it must be because I am not “white” that I just don’t get that you are the most enlightened soul that has ever graced this blog.
So when you say things other homo sapiens, even race realist believers in HBD view as racist (because they’re full of slurs and other typically racist remarks), you’re not racist, you’re enlightened.
Just like murdering aboriginies and putting the survivors in reeducation camps isn’t murder and torture with brainwashing. It’s fighting a heroic war and sending the prisoners on vacation.
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On a more serious note, this is one reason why many mixed people hide their European ancestry. Shame. Too many self pitying wannabes who should be actually doing something constructive instead of just complaining about how inferior everyone else must be, because they need them to be, ruined whatever pride a person in the U.S. could feel in having partly Anglo and/or Germanic ancestry.
This thing with Greg and a few others here is a case in point.
It should be harder to get a Northman to break his word.
It should be a shame for a Northman to be so full of self pity fueled entitlement.
A Northman should feel shame in admitting that he is in any way a victim or on the losing end of anything, even as he dies fighting.
A Northman should be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with a crazy Nyabhingi to topple a system that attempts to emasculate them both, and part in peace with respect.
So the reason I take this kinda hard is because I have seen strong “white” men doing the work. I know they can do better than this. Well, some of them.
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Speaking of Northmen, that yap of yours is starting to rival our Ginnungagap, oft-called The Yawning Void.
But the only yawning, from your readers… the only void, the veracity of your words.
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Shame upon shame.
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True… but only yours, the schande… bubeleh.
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I’m not sure if this is Greg or his evil twin who’s making him look racist despite his angelic behavior, so I don’t have what to be ashamed for.
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Of course, but the amount of good and bad people is different, which sometimes is the point…
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Well then, Hugh, one gets into the cultural relativism. How does one determine who is a good or bad person overall?
To most people from African, Asian, and non emasculated European cultures, harm done by neglect or mindlessly is as bad as active harm. Inaction, in many cases, is as damning as violent action.
So, a good person may beat the living crap out of someone they observe hitting a defenseless person, and be praised for it in Ghana or Siberia, and prosecuted for it in California.
In some cultures, depending who you kill, you can pay the victim’s family and go free, while in others, your life would be in that family’s hands, even if it was an accident.
If there are absolutes, or things that are close to absolutes in morality because regardless of culture, certain things work and create a prosperous and productive legacy, then things that do not work or create a prosperous and productive legacy are immoral regardless of who’s doing those things.
Some of the guys posing as “white” nationalists here love to say that there are these absolutes, but just as when the microscope of HBD is looking into their cells, when the eye of morality looks into their souls, they can’t take it, and backpedal.
So the percentage of people who actively murder with their own hands and weapons may be higher in certain ethnicities, but what of the percentage of people who passively murder? Certain ethnicities may have a higher percentage of thugs and gangsters, but what of the percentage of thugs and gangsters with badges?
What is a good person when, in every ethnicity, there are just as many sheep willing to kill or have others killed for their material gain?
This is why I choose to avoid such questions, and focus on interest. It is in my interest to be a loving person to those who love me, and to be the embodiment of all demonic evil to those who would harm me and my loved ones. That’s it. I owe nothing to people who don’t care for my life. I am under no obligation to be kind to them. I may choose to be kind to certain ones because they seem somewhat salvageable, but if I become convinced they are not, that ends with no remorse or regret. I’m cool with that, and cool with others being like that too.
Almost everybody thinks they are a good person. That is nice to think. Nature doesn’t care.
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When you move refrigerators all day like Dregs does, you need someone to look down on to feel better.
Hey, we got to move these refrigerators… you little faggot.
I’m proud to say that, if I HAD to move ’em, I still can… unlike the run of your ilk.
All seriousness aside, since when did honest manual labor for a living become grist for the snark mill?
You fairy.
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Don’t get me wrong I love women but never forget in a survival situation they attract predators such as wolves and bears
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So, I was at HR today . post game I befriended a dude at HR. So there’s a chick that sits at the adjoining table. Now I was chilling around with him and teasing him and she says to him.
” doesn’t he look like X ”
The hr guy says
“What”
“X ya know”
I interject
“X who”
” oh you look exactly like him, he used to work here a couple of years ago”
And somewhere inside me a voice says IOI so I instinctively say
“You know you actually have it the other way around”
And I could sense a whiff of attraction and the first thing my mind says
“Damn yareally said I would have the ball in my hand what do I do fuck!!!!!!!”
I decide to end the interaction a little while later because
A)it was HR all around me
B) she works at HR
C) I will be seeing her again. Whatever happens
D)I need tighter game
Stuff I am proud of
” good calibration and acuity ”
Than guys
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Correction :thanks guys
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Yep, ioi. Whenever a girl tells me I look like someone else I say something cocky/funny like “Lucky him.” or “He looks just like ME? He must be RIDICULOUSLY handsome. What a lucky guy.” and depending on the environment (ie – I wouldn’t so it at the office if that’s what you mean by HR lol) I’ll throw in “I hope for his sake he doesn’t also have my tiny penis.”
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Yup at human resources in the office.
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I could also have Said ” I hope for his sake he has a better job” lol
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Girls rated ‘5 to 10’ have options for sex (and, the ‘attention’ that leads up to it). Yes, even the most basic girl has sexual options. A girl who ‘flakes’ is ‘exercising her options’.
Keep calm, don’t get emotional, and don’t take it too personal. The modern dating/courting game is what it is.
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Lol’ed at this from another forum. This is an exaggeration for an average girl, but for those smokin hot hired guns it’s not far off from reality ’cause I’ve known girls like this before. This is what it’s like to be a hottie in her prime these days, esp working a social job…if this was your life daily, ya, you’d probably be a little flakey now and then too:
“The Reality of a Hot 20yo Girl:
Wake up 8:00 – check text messages
two girl friends text
5 guys, 3 of which she met last night have text asking “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
2 missed calls but she doesn’t know the number
8:30 – check Facebook
only 37 likes on last self bathroom picture
7 emails from guys saying, “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
43 new pictures from friends. How did her picture get more likes than mine?
awwww, mom said hi – hi mom
hits like button 9 times
comments on 3 post
9:10 – check Instagram
5 new followers
slutty picture of her and three guys at the bar added
4 new messages saying “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
oh I want those boots/skirt/top/nails/ring/car/lipstick, etc.
9:45 – check email
152 new emails – 29 are notifications from social media sites
one past due notice
47 are special shopping deals on boots/skirt/top/nails/ring/car/lipstick, etc
1 old ex boyfriend wrote to say “long time no talk – we should go out real soon” – ughhh why can’t he move on
3 emails from other guys including the 60 year old self proclaimed photographer that wants her to model for him – she can have the pictures free if she does
1 email from old boss saying “long time no talk – we should go out real soon”
10:20 – hits the shower to get ready for class
hair – 37 minutes
makeup – 22 minutes
looking for clothes to wear – 49 minutes
putting on shorts and tank top – 30 seconds
300 garments left around the room
12:08 – hungry but nothing to eat
12:09 – checks text messages, Facebook and Instagram
1 text from guy saying “why won’t you text back”
5 text from guys saying “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
Jenny wants to party tonight
9 new likes on slutty bar picture
3 new followers
12:10 – drinks a Redbull and eats 3 crackers
12:30 – makes math class
3 guys say “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
1 guy keeps starring at her but when she looks at him he looks down
professor keeps looking at her tits
1:25 – checks text messages, Facebook and Instagram
2 new guys text “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
Tracy got new boots – she wants new boots – mood ruined for 15 minutes
4 new likes on slutty bar picture
takes self shot sitting in class, post to Facebook and Instagram “School is sooo boring – Margaritas tonight”
1:30 – Feminist Teacher Arrives
Spends the next hour learning why all men are dogs, *******s, liars and rapist
Natural conclusion – if we get rid of men life is better
hates men – mood ruined for 45 minutes
2:25 – checks text messages, Facebook and Instagram
2 text from guys saying “why won’t you text back”
1 text from guy saying “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
12 new likes on slutty bar picture – mood better
1 new follower
only 5 new likes on self class picture with 3 comments of “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
3:45 – gets ready for work
hair – 14 minutes
makeup – 10 minutes
looking for clothes to wear – 22 minutes
putting on shorts and tank top – 30 seconds
4:30 – makes work at local bar/tavern/restaurant
checks Facebook, Instagram and Text messages 57 times
4 text from guys saying “why won’t you text back”
7 text from guys saying “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
3 guys she gave her number to at work that night text saying “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
14 new likes on slutty bar picture
3 new follower
7 new likes on self class picture with 3 comments of “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
27 guys at work say “do you have a boyfriend”, “I would treat you better than him” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out”
1 guy offers to take her to the lake on Saturday
2 guys offer to take her on a motorcycle trip on Sunday
1 guy offers to take her to dinner Friday night
3 guys offer to tip her very big if she will – pose for a photo/give her number/go out with them
2 guys want her to go to a party when she gets off work and smoke 420
1 guy offers her X
1 guy says to give him her number so he can get her NFL tickets
1 guy offers to let her drive his vette
1 manager pinches her ass
3 guys pinch her ass
7 guys touch her in a creepy way
27 guys try to hug her bye
2 waiters say “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
1 other waitress is mad at her because she wore the same black high heels and it was supposed to be her turn – mood ruined for 15 minutes
gives her number to 7 new guys – 5 so they would leave her alone and stop asking, 2 because they were cute – mood is better
has her picture taken 31 times by customers and staff
10:30 gets off work – heads to club with friends
checks Facebook, Instagram and Text messages 57 times
takes 17 new pictures – post 1
1 text from guy saying “why won’t you text back”
7 text from guys saying “hey, what’s up”, “long time no talk” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
2 new likes on slutty bar picture
3 new followers
has 18 offers to buy her drinks
accepts 5 offers because she was empty
has to signal girlfriend to save her from creepy guy that bought the last drink and keeps saying he can “see his children in her eyes”
33 guys stare at her
21 guys approach her and say “do you have a boyfriend”, “I would treat you better than him” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out”
1 guy offers to take her to the lake on Saturday
2 guys offer to take her on a motorcycle trip on Sunday
1 guy offers to take her to dinner Friday night
3 guys offer to tip her very big if she will – pose for a photo/give her number/go out with them
2 guys want her to go to a party when she gets off work and smoke 420
1 guy offers her X
1 guy says to give him her number so he can get her NFL tickets
1 guy offers to let her drive his vette
3 guys grab her ass
gives her number to 7 new guys – 5 so they would leave her alone and stop asking, 2 because they were cute
Goes home and before she closes her sleepy eyes at 2 am she checks text messages, Facebook and Instagram
two girl friends text
5 guys, 3 of which she met that night have text asking “hey, what’s up”, “it was nice meeting you” “you are so beautiful” and “we should go out soon”
2 missed calls but she doesn’t know the number
Many of you may think I am exaggerating, and you would be wrong. This is the reality of any 20 something girl that I know who is in college or has a job where she interacts with people in a social setting. This is the amount of male attention she gets every single day.
And this is good news and bad news. The bad news is if you aren’t overly confident, radiating raw masculine sexuality and creating attraction feelings in her, you become just one of the 100 men a day who feed her ego with little to nothing in return. She “likes” that you text her, and send her little jokes, tell her she is beautiful, and offer for her to do things. But she doesn’t **** “likes.”
The good news is just by realizing this as her reality, you can now standout from the crowd. Do something different, in a good way. Challenge her, verbally spare with her, tell her no and give her those sexual tension feelings she wants.
Truth is, she wants to find a guy that has higher value than herself, someone to make her FEEL attraction and sexual tension. And with so many guys, day in and day out, telling her she is beautiful, hot, sexy wonderful and asking her out or for her number – over and over in every corner of her life: school, work, social media and social she becomes oblivious to it. She literally becomes immune and that type of attention doesn’t even register on her radar. You may think just asking for her number makes you stand out, but if you do it exactly like everyone else you aren’t even going to register in her conscious mind.
I know many guys do not have much confidence. It takes a lot of courage for the average man to even try some of this stuff. So I have one little easy task for you to try. The next time you go to eat and the sexy waitress takes you to a table and says, “How about this one?” Look her in the eye and say, “No (pause) I would rather have that one.”
You aren’t likely to see attraction, but you will likely see respect. That is how little a man says “no” to a girl in our society. Try it, let me know what you see.”
The unfortunate part of it all is that the the main reason she views herself as so high value isn’t that she’s inherently a conceited evil bitch, it’s that other guys are so fucking lame, desperate, horny, have so little game, and all think running Nice Guy orbiter game will get them in her pants sooner or later, that her value is inflated like crazy, and it’s even worse now with social media, online dating sites, and txting…in the old days a girl only had the bootlicking of guys around her and they had to do it face to face lol.
The next gen of guys will have to evolve Game to handle the realities of modern tech (“when to Like a Facebook status?” etc). I was in the community when we transitioned from phone calls to txting…we used to stress the importance of calling all your #s, but now if you phone a girl you haven’t banged yet, a lot of <23yo girls won't even pick up because no one in their generation calls, everyone txts. I was one of the early adopters of txt game cause I hate talking on the phone lol…but I don't have a clue what Tumblr and Instagram and shit even ARE. That works okay for me cause I'm old so they don't expect me to know it, but a 20yo guy studying game right now must have his work cut out for him.
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awesome learning points. Puts in perspective, especially, specifically, and precisely this: “Challenge her, verbally spare with her, tell her no and give her those sexual tension feelings she wants.” We have all heard that’s important, and of course it’s central to CH, but to read it and understand it in this context of all of what was at the top of the post is very important, and illuminating. It’s going in the encyclopedia of inner and outer game gems I’m putting together for myself. Well done, as usual.
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ah, I forgot to mention another gem “Truth is, she wants to find a guy that has higher value than herself, someone to make her FEEL attraction and sexual tension.” Well said. BadBoy was talking to a big time model and she told him that “We all need a man just a little above us”
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If i as a guy were in her shoes, and everyone that bothered me like this were no less than perfect 10s, i would still have to go to a mental facility at the end of the week.
lool, when i had girls on their upmost of making a contact with me(like of 15 – 20% of these annoyances she has to go through every day), it was a pain in the ass as much as it was pleasant.
Good story though, but not so true in Croatia where i’m from (hopefully)
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Hahaha, that list may be the single greatest comment ever.
I once followed around a 35 y/o former 9, one of the handful I’ve met in real life, as part of a client meet for half a day. In and out of the office. It was terribly obvious how every beta she met was smitten and that this wasn’t very new to her. Her days were filled with men smiling at her and going that extra mile when she asked for something.
No matter, one-on-one she could still be gamed after the dinner.
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I worry for the mental health of those 20-yr-old girls once the wall comes a-callin and all these thousands of external positive self-esteem boosts go away.
Great comment.
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It’s simple, if a hobo would ask you to meet at 18h, you wouldn’t even consider going there. Guys think that girls see them as human. It’s not that you can speak that makes you suddenly human. They see you as a tool or at most a nuisance. You don’t respect your hammer, you use it when needed. Girls do the same with us.
The only way to deal with flakes is preventing it. If you want to punish her: the only way you can hurt her is supply her friends information and proof about her slutty behavior.
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Related to CH’s “Chicks Dig Murderous Jerks”:
The slavish female adoration that guys like Hernandez and the Boston bomber receive is really eye-opening, even for a guy like me who has been digesting the red pill for years.
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I was thinking about this today, trying to piece together those aspects of chick crack these guys do for women. I’m imagining their circumstances lead to short, emotionally intense bouts of letter writing and phone calls, interspersed by long periods of absence where he’s not available even by simple text. A far cry from what the typical decent-looking-but-not-truly-hot girl gets from 90 percent of men … always available, always receptive, always easy to take for granted. I hope I get some time tonight to go back through Cristina Nehring’s A Vindication of Love and look for more parallels between the WIL and the prison wife.
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I flake on chicks to go surfing, fishing, snowboarding, four wheeling, and anything else that is fun. Life is short, better off having fun rather than entertaining some broad
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Good thread, this is really important.
So… I’ve been dealing with massive flakery lately too. NYC hotties in the summer? Forget it. Too many options, too many bars, too many parties. I have 5-7 girls in play, banging 2 (a 7.5 and an 8.5) so I’m not overly needy. The ones I never get together with for a first date don’t bother me, as many above have said… comes with the territory, #s mean nothing.
What irks me to no end, which I am having trouble figuring out how to handle, is when I take a girl out, buy her drinks, have a fun night, AND make out with her… and THEN she bails. Either vanishes or writes an apologetic “Sorry this isn’t going to work out”. Now, I am aggressive, confident, go for the make out early and often, and so am probably perceived as a player. I get that. But what frikin’ KILLS me, just tortures me, is that without fail, its ALWAYS the hottest girls who do this to me. Mid 8s and up. Its happened 3 times in the past 6 months: 24-26 year old hotties used me for a fun first date, and then disappeared. And after pretty fierce makeout sessions with all 3. One was a lawyerbitch so you know, fuck her, but the other 2… grrr.
Here’s my conundrum: I’m a fairly high-status male, but I don’t have unlimited resources. I don’t date hipster/feminist whatever types who pay their own way. So obviously, I want to close when I make an investment. Is there any way, at all, to KNOW when you should basically not go for it right away, let the tension build, keep her guessing, string her along etc as many above have suggested? Because being patient is all good in theory on a blog post. But I operate in real life, in real bars with real alcohol mixing with the testosterone in my system. I basically kiss girls at the first opportunity. Should I not? Should I not … with hotties only? This analysis is complicated by the fact that I have closed a few hotties by the 2nd date with my aggressive tactics.
But this post makeout flake… ugh… its killing me. Killing my confidence and my commitment to going after hotties.
Would love to hear advice/comments esp. from femx, gables, yareally.
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lzozozozoz
DA GBFM WPOULD LIKE TO APOLIGIZEZZ!!!
“What irks me to no end, which I am having trouble figuring out how to handle, is when I take a girl out, buy her drinks, have a fun night, AND make out with her… and THEN she bails. Either vanishes or writes an apologetic “Sorry this isn’t going to work out”.”
dat is because she receievedz a message from da GBFM: “lotzsas cockas 4 da ladiesz zlzozozol” and she ditched u to comez suck off da gbfmzzz milkeshakes lzlzozozoz
THANKSZ YOUZ VERY MUCH FOR FEEDING AND WATERING AHER AND GIVING HER A BUZZ.
U GIVE HER DA BUZZ
DA GBFM GIVES HER DA GIZZIZLZOZOZZLZOZOOZOZOZZOZOZOZLZOOOZOZ
FA?CVE!!!
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how 2 counter da flakey flakesz in THREE EZ STEPZ
1. 9 PM: da gbfm sends out a mass text 2 all my ladies:
“lotsa cocksa 4 u lzozlzlz.”
da gbfm then gets back dozens of messages:
lol
wtf
ok
haha
???
kewl
wat?
2. da gbfm waits and hour and sends out to everyone again:
10 PM: “srry wrng #”
da gbfm then gets back lotsa texts
awwww
lol
too bad
u got my hopes up
damn you
ur loss
3. da gbfm then waits ’til midnight and texts to everyone:
12 Midnightz: my place 30 min.
den da gbfm sits back and watches the parade arriving on his door camera monitor while he watches da espn highlights and reads homer’s odyssey. ding-dog ding-dong they ring da gbfm bell one by one hoping to touch da gbfm’s ding-dong zlzozozzozololzollzo but if they are under an 8 da gbfm just ignorez & reads his boookz zlzozoolzz
at 1 am a hot hottie shows up and da gbfm hits the buzzer and lets her up.
da gbfm saves lotsas times and money while the betas liquor her up at the bars and da gbfm gets to hang out with homer instaead of goldidggers and douchetard boobie-men manboobz at all the clubs these days lzlzllzlzl
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do nottry this on your own as da GBFM needz you out there buying them drinkz all night and getting them dinnerz as i don’t want no hos eating my puizzaaa and heinekinz beerz!!!! we all have our part in this so please please respect yo!!!!! lzozolzolozzzz
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“investment” makes you sound like an utterly unemotional sales type. maybe you’re coming off not only like a player–who could still be a fun guy with some carefully dispersed warmth– but as a cold-blooded player.
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1) don’t make out hardcore with her till the logistics are clear to escalate it to fucking her in that interaction. Escalate too far (heavy makeout) without being able to seal the deal all the way (P in V) and she’ll flake next time because her ASD has kicked in. If the logistics aren’t clear for going all the way, don’t do more than a light quick kiss and break it off first…you’ve planned these Day 2’a out logistically right? So that they lead back to your apartment smoothly? You’re not just winging it or picking bars that are difficult to get back to your place right?
2) Serious question: why are you not fucking them on the first date? If you have enough attraction to make out, you have enough attraction to fuck her that night…where are you dropping the ball between the makeout and the bedroom that night?
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Even American style corruption has an obesity problem.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/06/26/santa-ana-immigration-officer-indicted-for-allegedly-taking-bribes-in-cash-and-egg-rolls/
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How about Oh shit, sorry about that, I forgot all about our date…
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OK, gurus:
Sometimes SM cleans his hands, steals a shirt and is presentable enough to meet a gurl.
How do I explain my loathing for FAcewhore, Twit-her, and all the rest? Or at least avoid any use of that shit? Just not mention it?
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Women claim they are into “commitment,” but the flaking proves otherwise. Then again, women also initiate the majority of divorces. This makes dating increasingly hellacious for a large sector of men, and marriage untenable. It actually channels men towards
What I see more men doing as a result in giving up on American women for marriage. Instead, they look for foreign wives, or deal with sex workers, or simply go their own way.
Now, this has all sorts of implications because you have growing numbers of alienated men, and this in the long run changes the demographics of country.
All part of that downward spiral.
Remember, stockpile MREs and generator fuel!
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I’ve tried the “gay” line or similar on girls from internet dating sites who flake on the first date with mixed results.
I think it’s because before you’ve met a girl you she has no investment at all and calling her out on flaking makes her feel bad about herself and then she associates that feeling with you.
Anyone got any ideas on what to send a flake from internet dating? Should I seem indifferent, annoyed or understanding/beta?
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There is no solution to internet dating issues. The women on there are on there for a reason.
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