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Be A “No, Dear” Man

July 1, 2013 by CH

The results from an interesting scientific study which could be fairly interpreted as providing evidence for the efficacy of the neg shows that men and women cooperate with each other differently, and that this cooperation disparity is based in differing expectations between the sexes. {Greek chorus: *FEMINISTS WEEEEEEEEEPT*}

In summary, women don’t trust beta males well-meaning men who appease them.

While men tend to match their partners’ emotions during mutual cooperation, women may have the opposite response, according to new research.

Cooperation is essential in any successful romantic relationship, but how men and women experience cooperation emotionally may be quite different, according to new research conducted at the University of Arizona.

Feminists are getting ready to weep.

Randall wondered how the act of cooperating, a beneficial relationship process, might impact emotional coordination between partners.

“Cooperation – having the ability to work things out with your partner, while achieving mutually beneficial outcomes – is so important in relationships, and I wondered what kind of emotional connectivity comes from cooperating with your partner?” she said.

What she found in her recent study – published in SAGE’s Journal of Social and Personal Relationships and featured in the journal’s podcast series, Relationship Matters – were surprising gender differences.

She and her colleagues found that during high mutual levels of cooperation with a romantic partner, men typically experience an “inphase” response to their significant other’s emotions. That is, if the woman in the relationship is feeling more positive, the man will feel more positive. If she feels less positive, he will feel less positive.

On the contrary, it seems women experience more of an “antiphase” pattern during high mutual cooperation. If her partner is feeling more positive, she will tend to feel less positive, and vice versa.

Aaaand… torrent of termagant tears!

Take, for example, the following familiar scenario: A woman emerges from a department store fitting room and asks her husband what he thinks of a potential new shirt. He likes it, he says, hoping his time at the mall is nearing an end. So does the woman head straight to the cash register and make the purchase? Probably not. Chances are, her husband’s enthusiasm won’t be enough; she’ll want to try on a few more shirts first.

Social psychology literature on cooperation tells us that women generally tend to cooperate more, while men often try to avoid conflict. Thus, men might be subconsciously syncing their emotions with their partners’ during cooperation in an effort to avoid conflict or reach a speedy resolution, Randall says.

If that’s the case, it’s possible, although Randall’s study didn’t test for it, that women may pick up on the fact that their partner’s agreeability is not entirely authentic. If she suspects he’s not really as positive as he seems, or that he has an ulterior motive, she may become less positive herself in an attempt to get at his real feelings and reach a more mutually satisfying resolution, Randall suggests.

Read the bolded part again. Here are the grounds for interpreting this study as providing evidence for the effectiveness of the game concept known as the neg. If you agree too readily with a woman — if you appease her and supplicate to her and seek her approval — she’ll feel less happy, even less aroused, in your company. She’ll instead attempt to “dramatize” your mutual interaction by becoming a sourpuss and challenging your agreeableness, which in certain contexts (such as bar pick-ups) materializes as the shit test.

Now we have the insight to know why, perhaps, the neg works on women: Because by deliberately adopting a pose of contrariness, of resistance to accommodation, a man can inspire feelings of connection, curiosity and craving in women. Be the jerk, and you’ll be beloved. Be the placater, and you’ll be perpetually pestered for proof of sincerity.

If you’ve ever had to endure a grilling from your girlfriend or wife for your opinion on something she’s wearing, you’ll know the pain of being a “yes, dear” man. The harder you try to smooth the waters, the more tirelessly she churns open sea turbulence. And so, having been in this exasperating situation a few too many times for my taste and sanity, I had discovered a better way, a way now bolstered by ♥SCIENCE♥:

Be a “no, dear” man.

Tell the light of your life, “No, dear, that dress looks bad on you.” “No, dear, those shows don’t make you look good.” No, dear, this look isn’t working for you.”

[GBFM version: “No, dearlzzlol, that thongzz covers the butthosllezx. Don’t make me do all da work when all da men before me got your butholeszzs for free lzlolzzzlolz”]

Betaboys shriek, “But she’ll hate me for saying that!” FEEBS! Have you not learned a single thing reading this blog? Lemme tell you what really happens. She makes an indignant face, looks shell-shocked for a half second, retreats to the dressing room or closet, and returns with a new item to buy or wear, no further questions asked, yerhonner. The “yes, dear” demon infant has been killed in the crib.

Seduction is the art of flirting, and flirting is an artful term for pushing away and pulling toward. All betas know how to do is pull toward, aka “Please like me! You’re the best! Here’s proof of my love!” game. But this is boring to women, and actively repulses them during their one week ovulatory period. Taking the opposite tack is the blinkered douche, who only knows how to push away. This is exciting for women at first, but the novelty wears off quickly.

The right balance is struck between alternately pulling toward and pushing away. As all great seducers know, and as science is now coming around to confirming, the ideal male lover is the man who understands the value of emotionally desyncing with women. He doesn’t distance himself from a woman; rather, he cleverly directs her arousal by undermining feelings of closeness just at the moment she starts to relax and senses that she can predict his desire and behavior, and then drawing her back in when she fears his loss of interest. By alternately undermining and reengaging like this, he subverts the Male Chaser-Female Chasee expectation, and thus flips the normal sex status differential that is the standard operating procedure of an unobstructed and undirected mating market so that, by his manipulations, he is perceived as the more valuable commodity.

From there, female hypergamy finds root and the labia flower like spring lilies in the noon sun.

Prompt punishment for bad behavior, intermittent reward for good behavior, emotional desyncing and resyncing for creating deep feelings of arousal and connection: These are the tools of the modern Casanova in a global mating village where the old rules to curb the primal chaos of female sexuality have long been discarded and forgotten.

PS Here’s Psychology Today‘s analysis of the same study.

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  1. on July 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm Cassanova

    What I gather from this is that negs work for the simple fact that the guy isn’t supplicating, thus he doesn’t provide the girl an excuse to shit test his reactions and answers.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm RP

      Shit tests are coming either way if she’s attracted to you. The only difference is… now it’s simply a mating ritual; sort of a customary dance… that shows how adept you both are at that game of sexual polarity.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:03 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozolzozozzozozozozozo tanks for da SHOUT HOUT HEARTIEESTSEZZ!! Lzozozoz

      [GBFM version: “No, dearlzlzozozozzlol, that thongzzlzozozoz covers the buttholizozzlzizlozozl. Don’t make me do all da work when da men before me got your butholeszzs for free lzlolzzzlolz when u were yuonger hotter tighter and fifty pounds lighetrz lzlozozolzozzol”]

      MANy OF you have realized by now dat da GBFM is a prinminet prominent CHRUCH LEADERZ LEDERZ ELDERZ CHRUCH CHRUCH HIGHER UP GRAND PUPAZ zozozzl zlozlzlzo!!!

      but i have bad newsz sad sad so very sad neewsz churchian church news

      my church defuneded my bible studey study greta books for men club cause they needed the moneyz to fund the “Repentant Sisterhood of the Sore Buttholez in Search of Beta Providers to Support Our Bastard Kidz” Bible study club zlozozozozo

      this is they’re hymnal hymenal hymnal no-hymen hymneell lzozozzoz:

      THE PRAYER OF THE REPENTANT SISTERHOOD OF DA SORE BUTTHOLEZ lzozoz

      ten alphas pumped and dumped me
      so i considred myself a ten
      told all the betas “let’s wait and see,”
      and now i am a single old dried up hen.
      empowered today with my haughty blogs
      calling on men to man up everywhere
      where cocks once penetratd my hole for logs
      jesus now forgives me via my prayer
      please jesus please heal my sore butthole
      i repent so send a beta provider my way
      a good manned-up man with a good soul
      the ones i ignored back in the day
      but now i desrve me a nice nice moneyed guy
      to pay for dates while i make him wait ’til i die.

      to make him pay for what i gave away for free
      back when i was younger hotter tighter
      no longer can he butthext the reformed me
      like they did when i was fifty pounds lighter.

      cluck clcukc cluck cluck clcuck
      clukc clcuclkuc lcuk clukck clcolzozlzozolzzoozzozlz

      hey dalrocklas lostsas cockas and heearteiztztets i think dat glen stanton is gonna put this in his hymnal bookz at all his mega churches/fort godz zlozlzozozoz

      lzozozolzozozzozozozozozo

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:18 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzolzozooz

      MANy OF you have realized by now dat da GBFM is a prinminet prominent CHRUCH LEADERZ LEDERZ ELDERZ CHRUCH CHRUCH HIGHER UP GRAND PUPAZ zozozzl zlozlzlzo!!!

      but i have bad newsz sad sad so very sad neewsz churchian church news

      my church defuneded my bible studey study greta books for men club cause they needed the moneyz to fund the “Repentant Sisterhood of the Sore Buttholez in Search of Beta Providers to Support Our Bastard Kidz” Bible study club zlozozozozo

      this is they’re hymnal hymenal hymnal no-hymen hymneell lzozozzoz:

      THE PRAYER OF THE REPENTANT SISTERHOOD OF DA SORE BUTTHOLEZ lzozoz

      ten alphas pumped and dumped me
      so i considred myself a ten
      told all the betas “let’s wait and see,”
      and now i am a single old dried up hen.
      empowered today with my haughty blogs
      calling on men to man up everywhere
      where cocks once penetratd my hole for logs
      jesus now forgives me via my prayer
      please jesus please heal my sore butthole
      i repent so send a beta provider my way
      a good manned-up man with a good soul
      the ones i ignored back in the day
      but now i desrve me a nice nice moneyed guy
      to pay for dates while i make him wait ’til i die.

      to make him pay for what i gave away for free
      back when i was younger hotter tighter
      no longer can he butthext the reformed me
      like they did when i was fifty pounds lighter.

      so please jesus please help da men man up everywhere
      to marry da jesus-healed butts of slutty slutts
      and pay to raise our bastard kidz it’s only fair
      dat betas we don’t lay gotta pay & never touch our holey butts
      jesus holy jesus you had better answer our sisterhood’s prayer
      or da sisterhood of da sore buttholzizoz gonna cut off ur nutts.

      lzozozozozoozozooz

      cluck clcukc cluck cluck clcuck
      clukc clcuclkuc lcuk clukck clcolzozlzozolzzoozzozlz

      hey dalrocklas lostsas cockas and heearteiztztets i think dat glen stanton is gonna put this in his hymnal bookz at all his mega churches/fort godz zlozlzozozoz

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  2. on July 1, 2013 at 2:00 pm Kim du Toit

    If you’re dragged to one of these shopping trips, best not to like any of the things she tries on, regardless. Just store the one YOU liked in the back of your mind. Then, after she’s gone through all six or whatever, ask her to put your favorite one back on; then look at it judiciously and say, “Okay, that’s not bad – if that’s the best you can do, then you may as well go with that one.”

    Unspoken: “You could do better” = doubt = slight feeling of inferiority = hamster wheel spinning.

    This has NEVER failed to work for me. Even if she picks your non-favorite, there’ll always be a little doubt-weasel in the back of her mind, gnawing at her.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm RP

      Better yet, if you have to go… just choose something for her that you like. Reject all else as if you know all there is to know.

      The only thing that truly matters is what I want to see her wearing anyway… when she isn’t wearing nothing, of course.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:02 pm 3legdog

        This. When we shop, I choose the items she tries on. If I like, we’re good. If I don’t, it doesn’t get purchased.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm Kim du Toit

      Oh, and if she doesn’t pick your favorite after the third such trip, any requests to go shopping in the future should be met with a response like: “You never pick what I like anyway, so why are you asking me? Tell you what, while you’re buying a new outfit, I’ll be buying a new gun/fishing rod/power tool. See you in the food court in two hours.”

      This does two things: makes spending money an exercise in parity, gets you a new toy, and also separates you from watching her try on clothes. Doubleplusgood.

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  3. on July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm dudester

    “it seems women experience more of an “antiphase” pattern during high mutual cooperation. If her partner is feeling more positive, she will tend to feel less positive, and vice versa.”

    I’ve noticed “antiphase” by women not only during cooperative efforts, but almost every time I was enjoying myself when she wasn’t the center of attention or at least involved in the fun.

    CH, I just discovered your blog a few days ago and I find it fascinating. I’ve read almost every post through November 2012.
    A real eye opener, thanks.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 2:07 pm RP

      I wouldn’t necessarily call that an antiphase. That’s simply a plea that she wants to have fun too. Like a dog who’ll not get away from you no matter how many times you push it away.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm dudester

        Perhaps I misused the term “antiphase” but there is often a strong disapproval of my good times when they aren’t involved. I never felt butthurt or pissed when they had fun with their friends or personal endeavors.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm RP

        Well then, my friend, I must suggest you sustain the state of amused-mastery as recommended on this blog whenever she tries to disapprove. Do not seek her approval, and if she tries to control you through approval, make fun of her.

        Works like a charm.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm late late late bloomer

        i know what you’re describing, and i don’t know whether it’s related to this or not but it’s worth at least a few psych studies. classic example is going to hang out with guy friends and i get stuff like ‘enjoy your gay play date’ or ‘say hi to the misses’ kinds of things. can’t ever just be happy i’m happy.

        in general it’s either a girl or someone’s wife i’m sleeping with saying it, and i think it’s generally her frustration that she has no friends (maybe because she’s so slutty, from that other psych study) or that i have fun away from her. if she goes to hang with her girlfriends i’m too relieved to even think of giving her shit.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm Zombie Shane

        > “but there is often a strong disapproval of my good times when they aren’t involved”

        It sounds to me like you’re describing in a younger girl [say, a LTR GF who is about to become a fiancee] that which will become nagging and criticism and humiliation and dark nihilistic poison as she [at that point your wife of many years] moves into menopause and then barrenness.

        Even the very best chicks have a tendency to become insufferable as they age.

        But the worst chicks – holy cow – there’s a reason that they live alone with their cats.

        If it were, say, 30 years from now [after he had had some personal experience with it], then Heartiste could write advice columns for older guys on how to deal with nagging wives.

        Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:35 am Ben Gurion

        Walk away when they nag. Say nothing, simply get up and leave.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm haunted trilobite

      Ah but did you read all the comments ?

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  4. on July 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm askjoe

    Or “I’m bored, I’m leaving”
    Or “that looks fucking hot on you”
    Or “I don’t know were you trying to show off that fleshy area with this outfit”
    maybe the lesson is honesty is better than yes, dear, unless you’re using that response to signify complete disinterest. But since you’re a guy, better to just say I’m bored. Just leave and let her pick out whatever. It’s ok, girls know how to shop alone.

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  5. on July 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm RP

    My only question is… Why would you ever go out shopping with a girl? I’ve never “had” to. Many have tried, but they all failed. It’s something I just don’t do. I do however, involve them intermittently in my own activities based on good behavior.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm Kim du Toit

      Two words: eye candy. There will be other women trying on outfits. Leer away. Bonus points if afterwards you tell your woman: “Damn, looks like quite a few hot women also shop there.”

      Chances are you’ll never be invited to go shopping again.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm late late late bloomer

        yeah i think that’s good. pretty much any over-the-top quagmire-type observations of surrounding women can do wonders for jealousy levels while keeping plausible deniability by being so ridiculous. and if you also get out of shopping, thank the sweet lord.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:22 am Erik Roar

        I noticed Quagmire game sometimes works, it’s gotten much easier to be self amusing when you don’t seek external validation. I’m trying to figure out calibration for when to push, pull, now emotional syncing and desyncing.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 9:33 am YaReally

      lol I don’t mind it. There’s a shit-ton of scenery at the mall and in chick clothing/makeup stores, and I just chat up the bored staff or goof around and try to embarrass my girl by dancing badly to the gay Justin Bieber music they play in the stores and talking loud to her from across the store and trying to sneak into the dressing room with her. Plus if I’m there I can veto shit like her buying a fedora and instead guide her toward buying the tight dress I want to bang her in instead.

      I even hold for the clothes she’s picking out for her while I do all this (no carrying her purse tho, that’s too far lol).

      Sure, guys watching me may think I’m lame, but every chick in the store is thinking “I wish I had a BF like that, he’s so funny and out-going and doesn’t care what anyone thinks!” and my chick can tell those chicks are thinking that. It’s all good in the end.

      Plus then we go eat at the food court. Fuckin’ love me some unhealthy food court food now and then ahhh…

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:39 pm tj

        This is very full of rightness

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:18 am Klem

        hey man, have you seen the latest Julian video about texting?
        I’d love to have your opinion on it

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:15 am YaReally

        All solid stuff. No surprise since he’s in the field daily lol. Here are some of my notes on text game in general;

        http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=text+game

        And a post specifically on my own personal style of txting:

        http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/5/#comment-heartiste-440730

        Side-tangent: When I started with text game there weren’t many resources on it because the concept of txting and cell phones was still new…back when I started we were all about actually calling the girl on the phone, girls would even give out a home phone number lol. So most of my understanding of txt game comes from just txting a fuckton of girls over the years, but, like most game concepts, guys who all spend a lot of time in the field come to generally the same conclusions, so a lot of Julien’s advice gels with mine even if we both figured a lot of it out independently through experience:

        Some things to keep in mind with Julien’s advice:

        1) He builds a shit-ton of attraction in person when he first meets the girl. He’s not like “hey, cool, how’s it going, this is nice weather, oh you go to School? I go to that School too, we should hang out sometime…” zzzz…which is what most guys, even guys who are good at pickup, do. So when Julien does his jumbotron right to the point “What are you doing Saturday?” txts, he gets away with it because the girl remembers him and how amazing their interaction was and the roller-coaster of emotions he pushed her through etc.

        It’s that thing I’ve been saying where when you have high-value, THEN you can be the aloof laconic guy and stand at the bar sipping your martini or txt jumbotron txts, because she’s attracted so she’s curious about you. If you don’t have high-value (ie – you entered the club and then posted up leaning against the bar, not talking to anyone, just hoping your nice suit will be enough), she won’t give a shit or remember you.

        So if you’re making a massive impact on them like Julien does (watch his in-field vids on YouTube), then you can get away with what he’s talking about, but if you’re lower-key than him, expect to have to do some rapport/comfort building.

        2) I’m a lot more verbose in my txting than Julien and I do a lot of my comfort/rapport-building via txt, but that’s just my personality and I’m good at it, so don’t think that you have to do it my way either. Figure out what works for your vibe and calibrate to the girl and your relationship with her and how the pickup went down and her interest level etc.

        3) His rule about try the simplest most direct route first, THEN complicate things if that doesn’t work, is solid. He talks about it in another video (can’t remember which off the top of my head) where Plan A is the simplest direct route, B is more complicated, C is way more complicated, D is a shit-show of game…start with A, and only go to B if you have to, and then only if B doesn’t work go to C, etc. It’s a good principle to keep in mind in general with regards to pickup.

        4) Always be pushing for the meet-up. I’ve said this before, you’re not getting a # to just dick around and have a txt buddy. You’re getting it to push towards another meet-up…so do like he says and be pushing it forward toward meeting up, don’t get sidetracked into sending eachother gay pictures and talking about your day and not leading it anywhere.

        Anyway, it’s all solid advice, especially the little details like being discreet when you get her # (I’ve banged a few girls in secret where their friends NEVER would’ve let me get her # if they realized what I was doing) and using your name and txting an hour before the Day 2 etc. Everyone should give this vid a quick watch.

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  6. on July 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm immoralgables

    One thing I’ve notice in the corporate world is that a way to indicate your value is the ability to break rapport with senior executives; either that OR showing an ability to not just be a yes-man that agrees with everything. This can manifest itself by having a sense of humor and knowing when to use it. This is just an extension to Heartistes post:

    Example at a relatvely important meeting a while back with higher-ups:

    When I say higher ups lets say that these guys manage budgets in hundreds of millions and run business lines for countries and continents

    Tom the CFO: IG, how about the new coffee machines outside in the conference center? I had two press 6 buttons and answer ten questions just to get a cup.
    —
    Me: Tom, tell me about it. I just had to enter my social security number just to get a small espresso.
    —
    Tom the CFO: (laughs and walks back to seat at conference table)

    Mind you, that’s a very mild example but the point is that the old me would have just agreed with some kind of bland statement as to avoid attention or to avoid saying the wrong thing. Yeah, it could be seen as agree and amplify but gaming and thinking quick on my feet allowed me to riff on the coffee machine with the guy. My position is very junior in comparison to his so being able to display some kind of sense of humor on the spot was a new reality for me.

    Up to a certain point, senior execs don’t want brown-nosing, lapdogs to socialize with. You have to be able to act like you’re one of them which is not easy, but that example was a start. A mild one but okay.

    One of my former colleagues was really good at breaking rapport with our supervisor and other colleagues if he didnt agree with them on something. Whether it was work related or not. Guess how much respect he got in comparison to most people who just agree so they can come across as agreeable.

    -IG

    [CH: Pro comment.]

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm Matthew King

      I’ve notice[d] in the corporate world is that a way to indicate your value is the ability to break rapport with senior executives.

      Sounds to me like establishing rapport more than “breaking rapport,” but you’ll search a long time to find semantical sense in PUA etymology. You are assuming the natural “rapport” between a woman and a man is agreeable yes-men, which therefore must be “broken”?

      I love the idea of bringing game into the boardroom, something you should do from the start. But some concepts literally do not translate. My rapport with women is from higher to lower, or as my secretary feministx shrewdly observed, “condescension.” My rapport with men is peer to peer, or easygoing honesty. Executives are not used to straight talk from underlings, but the good ones appreciate it, as would any leader.

      Matt

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 8:49 pm YaReally

        “Seeking rapport” = being a yes-man or supplicating, hoping to build rapport from a place of lower value.

        “Establishing rapport” = having a mutually beneficial connection with someone.

        “Breaking rapport” = taking that connection away, from a place of higher value.

        So yes, immoral is actually establishing rapport with his joke. Old wussy immoral who didn’t say anything to avoid fucking up is seeking rapport. And if he told his boss “I didn’t have any problems with the machine.” in a tone of voice like “you’re an idiot for not being able to work the machine” he would be breaking rapport.

        It’s not complicated King, maybe you should have your secretary take better notes for you to skim thru on your way to your next pretend important business meeting to argue about things you’re too lazy to properly research.

        And yes, pickup concepts apply to the business world. Immoral’s example is solid. If I had a son, I would make sure he understood that having people/social skills is more important to getting a job and advancing his career than his actual grades in school. I know guys who’ve talked their way into jobs they’re completely unqualified for or pay raises they didn’t deserve just because they knew how to earn respect and admiration from the right people.

        An oldschool PUA saying (coined by Mystery if I remember right) is “Lead the men and the women will follow”. Tyler back in like 2003 was bragging about how he gets offered jobs all the time because he just establishes rapport with guys the same way he does with girls.

        You can apply game principles to more than the corporate and relationship worlds too. We don’t really harp on it because that stuff reveals itself in time to guys who put in the work/effort and start to realize how many aspects of life learning game is helping them in. It’s exciting to guys when, like Daniel-San realizing “wax on, wax off” had a bigger purpose, they first start realizing they’re learning more than just “how to get pussy” (which people who’s understanding of PUA only goes as far as what they read in a review of The Game (that’s you, King, and Aunt Giggles, and the ladies at Jizzibel etc) think is all PUA is about).

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 9:07 pm Zombie Shane

        > “And if he told his boss “I didn’t have any problems with the machine.” in a tone of voice like “you’re an idiot for not being able to work the machine” he would be breaking rapport.”

        If I were his boss, and the little cunt talked to me in that tone of voice, then I would immediately pick up the phone, and call the computer geeks, to have him locked out of the corporate computer systems and to have his access card locked out of the building’s doors.

        Then I’d call security to have his ass physically escorted out the door, to the parking lot, and off the premises, never to be seen or heard from again.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:52 am YaReally

        Yes, it would make you feel bad and uncomfortable and your insecurities would cause you to overreact and throw a temper tantrum because someone dared to not kiss your ass and you need that validation to reassure yourself that you’re the big boss man.

        That’s what “breaking rapport” DOES. It puts the other person in an uncomfortable position where they fall back on base instincts. This is why when cops approach your car they don’t say “so hey? Just curious? Have you had anything to drink tonight? Just wondering lolol!!”, they say “You been drinkin tonight…?” in that downward-toned almost accusatory statement way. They want to shake your frame and make you feel nervous and panic and like you’re in trouble so that you stutter and stammer and answer with whatever rolls to your mind, and then they’ll let suffer some silence so you keep talking and possibly confess. “what? No I mean, well, I had one at a buddies house but it was hours ago…..(silence)…umm I mean, maybe it was two, but, you know we were watching the game and–” and now you’ve technically demonstrated that you lied to the officer about how many beers you’ve had and all he had to do was speak to you in breaking rapport and then just shut up and let you feel the social pressure to fill in the silence.

        Another way to use it is as an AMOGing tool to get rid of cockblocks and guys who are trying to take your girl. “I had a talking part in an episode of law & order once.” “Cool. (silence)”. “ummm and I got to work with blah blah” “Ya dude, that’s fascinating. (tone of voice like not a fuck is given)”. It makes him start feeling insecure about his accomplishment he was proud of because you’re not seeking rapport and he expected you to try to…so then ironically he’ll often start going “so um have you seen the show? Do you like it?” which is him filling the uncomfortable social-pressure silence with then seeking rapport with YOU, which is him reacting to you and qualifying himself to you, which is where the value levels have flipped to any girls listening and now you have higher value than the guy who was on TV.

        That’s actually a method of what I consider almos value-piggybacking…you don’t have to BE the owner of the nightclub, that’s a lot of work lol, all you have to do is get him seeking rapport with you and any girl seeing that will view you as having higher value than the rich social hard-working successful high-status socially-proofed waitress-poon-slaying owner of the nightclub. It’s like skipping the line and riding off other guys’ accomplishments.

        Another way to use breaking rapport is to snuff out behavior you don’t approve of, in men or women. The traditional 1940s father stereotype used this kind of thing. “And did you think that pushing jimmy at school was a good idea. (voice tone going down so it’s more of a statement like no, you KNOW that wasn’t a good idea, son)” and the son goes “…nooo :(” while he looks down and shuffles his feet feeling the social pressure and lack of authority breaking rapport puts on him.

        On women, it’s good for all these same scenarios, but it’s also attractive to them because it pushes them thru an emotional roller coaster. The RSD guys are big on stopping girls by going “HEY. YOU. Who are you.” in breaking rapport the same way you would halt a criminal if you were a cop. The girls freeze up and panic and feel a rush of “omg am I in trouble???” emotions, and then the PUA releases the social pressure by switching gears from Push to Pull with stuff like “you’re cute, I had to meet you, my name is YaReally” and the girl is flooded with relief the same way you are when the cop finally drives off…

        You’re not attracted to the cop, and in fact you hate him usually, the same way you’d hate immorgables for not sucking your dick about the coffee machine because to you that person is the one who caused you to feel uncomfortable and you want revenge/justice.

        But to girls, who’ve grown up in a princess bubble where only their dad or older brother dared make them feel that, and their husband just makes them feel a bland mundane flatline of emotion like ______ you are providing her with /\/\/\/ which is attractive to women, again thus why they watch soap operas and Twilight and shit, to feel that /\/\/\/ of an emotional roller coaster.

        Wasn’t expecting this post to get that deep into it lol but there ya go.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm feministx

        Secretary now? That sounds like a most excellent position.

        Let me check your calendar, sir. Tuesday you are scheduled to make essay posts on the internet. And then all day wednesday you have an appointment to argue with people online. Shall I schedule your sanctimonious online lecture for Thursday afternoon then?

        How much stress can there be in setting up the same sequence of events day after day?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:37 pm Matthew King

        All I can say is, look up the word “rapport” in the dictionary.

        “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

        I should have known better than to go into detail and provide impetus for the tangential manifestos.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:52 pm YaReally

        Okay. Dictionary dot com says:

        “noun
        1. relation; connection, especially harmonious or sympathetic relation: a teacher trying to establish close rapport with students.

        Example sentences:
        1. Boost your social and communication skills, establish rapport and make friends.
        2. Yes, he found an appreciative biographer with whom he seems to have a warm rapport.
        3. Hence professors have an easy rapport with those who have the innate sense of how to study and grow knowledge.
        4. Rapport, once established, will make your sales almost effortless.
        5. So there was none of that familial domestic rapport she had with us.
        6. The theater of revolution is essentially participatory, requiring more than the usual rapport between actors and audience.
        7. Clearly they had developed a theatrical rapport that came through in the music.
        8. He didn’t have the luxury of building up a rapport with the nation’s elite prospects over several seasons.
        9. His ensuing road show tour to promote his populist agenda has showcased his rapport with voters.”

        Seems alright to me. Seeking, establishing, and breaking. 3 different stages/changes in rapport.

        But please, do continue to avoid admitting you’re wrong by giving other people busywork to do. God forbid you ever admit that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about when it’s clear as day for anyone reading that you don’t.

        It’s okay to be wrong, Matt. We won’t judge you, this is a safe space. Let it all out, you can cry on feministx’s shoulder. We’ll all help you get through this together.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm late late late bloomer

      opposite george on seinfeld does a wonderful job breaking rapport with steinbrenner to get his job at the yankees.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm earl

        Hire that man!

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 5:57 pm corvinus

      +1

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  7. on July 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm cryo

    “As all great seducers know, and as science is now coming around to confirming, the ideal male lover is the man who understands the value of emotionally desyncing with women. He doesn’t distance himself from a woman; rather, he cleverly directs her arousal by undermining feelings of closeness just at the moment she starts to relax and senses that she can predict his desire and behavior, and then drawing her back in when she fears his loss of interest. By alternately undermining and reengaging like this, he subverts the Male Chaser-Female Chasee expectation, and thus flips the normal sex status differential that is the standard operating procedure of an unobstructed and undirected mating market so that, by his manipulations, he is perceived as the more valuable commodity.”

    You managed to distill the essence of game into this paragraph. Well done. This is why the greatest seducers are the ones that are able to sustain long-term dalliances with women and conjure monogamy into their hearts.

    The drawback is that, when it becomes second nature to employ these game tactics, the ones you never wanted to keep around won’t leave you alone. They are worse than beta orbiters and omega stalkers.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm Matthew King

      [T]he ones you never wanted to keep around won’t leave you alone. They are worse than beta orbiters and omega stalkers.

      The cost of doing business. But no way that they’re “worse” than omega stalkers. They are satisfied for months with a morsel of attention. It helps to love your neighbor as yourself. It’s not that hard to manage crushes with magnanimity until their psychology is in a better place to accept reality. Especially because most guys have enough experience having crushes to commiserate with the brokenhearted. And the better ones can shape “the ones you never wanted” into something resembling sexually acceptable.

      What makes beta orbiters and omega stalkers insufferable is the poor management of the female object of attention. She has no idea how to juggle affection, charity, lust, and trust, save for whatever lessons she learned the hard way — by which time she is already descending from her early 20s plateau of hotness.

      Matt

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 5:30 pm earl

      You want to see this physically…take up dance.

      It’s all about throwing a woman out and then bringing her back in.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 7:19 pm Dr Caveman

      Al Bundy has known this for decades!

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 9:23 pm Survivorman

        Just can’t *stand* to see me happy – can ya Peg?

        Al Bundy

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:19 pm Supra

      Totally agree: that paragraph (and I’ll include it here again) should be in the all time Best for CH, hall of fame. It actually supports the assertion made by one regular here a month or two ago that CH is getting closer and closer to cracking it all wide open. I actually think this does and, getting to be sort of a scholar of stuff like this (yaReally you correct me if I’m wrong) I don’t think anyone has yet made precisely the connection made above. Well done and here’s the paragraph again:

      “The right balance is struck between alternately pulling toward and pushing away. As all great seducers know, and as science is now coming around to confirming, the ideal male lover is the man who understands the value of emotionally desyncing with women. He doesn’t distance himself from a woman; rather, he cleverly directs her arousal by undermining feelings of closeness just at the moment she starts to relax and senses that she can predict his desire and behavior, and then drawing her back in when she fears his loss of interest. By alternately undermining and reengaging like this, he subverts the Male Chaser-Female Chasee expectation, and thus flips the normal sex status differential that is the standard operating procedure of an unobstructed and undirected mating market so that, by his manipulations, he is perceived as the more valuable commodity.”

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:21 pm cryo

        “CH is getting closer and closer to cracking it all wide open”

        Agreed. And as the manosphere expands, I still find myself first checking in at the Chateau every morning. 😉

        CH has really tapped into that vein of truth and ruthlessly allows the ichor to spray in the faces of non-believers. Dalrock and Krauser are close runner-ups, covering the traditional and “deep conversion” aspects of Game, respectively. I like Roosh, but his forum tends to attract the riffraff.

        The comments here are consistently better than anywhere else too, excepting the hamsters that occasionally leave their droppings. I generally enjoy everyone’s contributions (well everyone except Jason and Subway Masturbator).

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  8. on July 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm Georgia Boy

    Again with the blue-pillers’ wishful thinking that relationships are about cooperation. Relationships are not cooperatively built, they are adversarially negotiated. Caving in when they should be defending their own desires, staying when they would be better off walking away, or being too dull to see the best compromise, robs her of the process and makes her trust you less. The guy with the skills gets trusted.

    So there’s two points really, you have to both give her the yes/no dear, and also you have to actually be right about it, you have to be spinning the best story. If you don’t have both, you won’t feel authentic and damn right women notice it. Thus the importance of realtalk, knowing all the details of what works and what doesn’t on a broad range of dating situations, being able to read her, etc. My favorite example for this, love him or hate him, was Bill Clinton, he could see the workable compromise in any situation and make you feel good about agreeing to it.

    The dress example sucks, though, it’s basically irrelevant to the thesis. What you tell your woman about the dress isn’t a point of negotiation unless the money is an issue or something. It’s not one of those zero-sum decisions where you have competing interests. It’s a matter of just having the taste to see what looks good on her and what doesn’t, what makes the most of her appearance, and being able to tell her so in the right words. All good men should have that ability. Once you do, she trusts you and then it’s just the opposite of what this article says, she’s not out of sync. Your approval makes her more excited about the dress. (Yes, you can have that ability with clothes and still be masculine, fashion sense is not limited to gay men.)

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  9. on July 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm Ras Al Ghul

    “That looks like something my mom (or your mom) wears.”

    Works like a charm.

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  10. on July 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm DdR

    David D’Angelo, in his opus “Double Your Dating”, addresses this point about always using “no” in any interaction with a woman. I don’t have the manual in front of me, but he basically said that if a woman ever asked or suggested something, you should automatically reply with “no” and suggest something else. For instance:

    – Her: “Should we sit at that table over there?”
    – Him: “No…let’s take the booth in the corner. It’ll be more intimate”.

    – Her: “What do you think about this necklace for tonight?”
    – Him: “Hmm, I think you’d look more beautiful wearing the gold necklace”.

    I couldn’t believe at first that a girl would actually like you always saying “no”, but holy crap does it work. I try to remember to use it all the time on my girlfriend, but I’m not perfect. Just using it once a day rekindles the flame of desire.

    By the way, after I swallowed the red pill and starting getting more dates with girls, I would religiously read Double Your Dating right before the date would arrive. It offered poignant advice in a fun style that set my head straight for the date. Highly recommend it for guys who are still newbies to ace a date.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm earl

      “No”

      Is the best word any woman ever hears. But it takes brass balls to use it.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm YaReally

      One newbie exercise is to disagree with everything the girl says for the first few minutes after approaching her, on purpose and even if its obnoxious.

      You: “Where are you from?”
      Her: “Blah”
      “Oh I hate blah. What do you do for a living?”
      “Job”
      “Oh no, really? I can’t stand Job’ers. What are you drinking?”
      “Vodka cran, I don’t like beer!”
      “Oh that’s too bad, I LOVE beer.”

      It’s just to teach new guy’s that it’s okay to say no to a girl and disagree with her. You can also turn this into an exercise on push/pull and qualification by having the guy then pick a random thing she says and finally agree with her and escalate off that agreement as her “reward” for finally saying something right. ie:

      “Why did you move here?”
      “Reason”
      “Oh man, I LOVE girls who Reason. Okay, I love you now, come here (hug)”

      The biggest blue pill bullshit in the world is that you shouldn’t make women upset…every fucking soap opera, movie, gay vampire story, etc is built around making women upset and then relieved then upset again then relieved again etc. that’s why they read 50 Shades of Grey and not a story about a Nice Guy husband who gives his wife massages and cooks a pleasant dinner and they live happy and conflict-free lives.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 9:16 pm immoralgables

        Thanks for the reminder. I just started another 30 Day Challenge today and it was humbling to say the least as I tried to approach girls near Times Square.

        The stuff you mentioned about disagreeing wasn’t even on my mind as I was trying to open girls on the street.

        I feel like I’ve started from the bottom again and that’s okay with me. Hopefully I can remember to incorporate your routine tomorrow as today made me feel like straight-up newb.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:49 am YaReally

        Good luck, take it slow & steady. You’re out for 30 days, you don’t have to improve everything at once. Focus on body language one day, on eye contact the next, on teasing the next, on kino the next, escalating the next, etc. etc. Down the road you can work on more in-depth stuff like, “okay I’m approaching 10 chicks a day, and that’s cool, but there’s no sexual intent behind it so now I’m going to focus on turning the conversation sexual with innuendo within the first minute”

        If you haven’t hit the gym hard in a while, you don’t have to lift the heaviest weights on day one. 🙂 Have fun, and good on you for going out! Hit us with some updates as the challenge goes on and I’ll try to do up some feedback for you.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm Matthew

        I’ve been playing this with my daughter. It’s fun. She wants to tell me things she’s excited about, and I just shit all over them. New doll? “Oh, my that’s so ugly.” Fake retching. She loves it. “Nuh uh!”.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:57 am Southern Man

        For a recovering beta like me my teen daughters were a terrific proving ground for learning game. And it completely revolutionized my relationships with both of them.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:26 am YaReally

        Most of the best players I’ve met grew up with multiple sisters (older and/or younger) and got 1) a behind-the-scenes look at how silly girls really are and how bullshit the “bitchy club girl” facade they put on is (they aren’t that way around their family on xmas morning opening presents with no makeup on after shitting out xmas even dinner), and 2) used to teasing and making fun of their silly shit and not taking their ridiculous drama seriously.

        Both are skills that translated extremely well when they hit puberty and started being interested in girls. Compare that to the guy who grew up with no sisters and considers them magical unicorns he only sees on special occasions when they’re in full intimidating perfect unicorn mode lol

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 12:01 pm haunted trilobite

        Iceberg slim had the line in his book about how despite the apparent beauty of a ‘bitch’, she still gotta take a stinky shit once a day .
        It was an ah-ha moment when I first read it, but almost impossible to internalise . This lesson would be constantly reinforced for gu ys with sisters since they’d be walking into a smelly lavatory every morning.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:34 pm Anonymous

        Yareally I got a text analysis request.

        Cold approached this chick, she a high 9/10 and she’s not a local, got her number by setting up a date that night but had to cancel as my other plans got in the way. Here is the text exchange we had when i decided to re-engage her:

        1:05pm
        Me: i feel like were growing apart hb
        your truly,
        8====D
        1:10pm
        her: I agree
        6:04
        Me: prob cuz youre a lefty
        7:43
        her: What lefty’s are undesirable now
        10:14
        Me: ya madd undesirable, dating must be difficult for you
        10:15
        her: Extremely. Especially with musicians [I’m a musician]
        10:33
        me: unfortunate
        10:37
        her: Eh, debatable. Musicians are pretty undesirable too 😉
        10:49
        me: ya being good with your hands are a total handicap
        10:55
        her: Too bad you won’t get to prove it to me, my flights in the morning
        11:06
        me: have fun packingg

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:00 pm Robert Goldstein (@rgoltn)

      I think it is less about saying ‘no’ and more about being authentic and leading. My wife will ask me what she should wear all the time. I do not say “I dunno.” I tell her to wear what I like to see her in. She will say okay 95% of the time. The other 5% will be around asking me if it is appropriate for where we are going etc. She may have a point to and then in those cases, she will pull something out and I will say no or yes. Also, I always tell her ‘why.’ Women want to know why it looks good or not on them. ” I like those jeans because your ass looks great in them.” or “I like that top because your tits look great in it.” or “No, I do not like that top on you..it is for work, not for going out.” She always smiles and says ‘ok.’ Again, it is about leading more than saying no.

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  11. on July 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm M3

    “Betaboys shriek, “But she’ll hate me for saying that!””

    And that my friend.. is how you know she deeply loathes you are not a romantic interest.. but simply an orbiter.

    Move on.

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  12. on July 1, 2013 at 3:18 pm Holden Caulfield

    More insight for the beta boyz out there and a reminder for the rest of us:

    “I see my extramarital affairs as a different nutrition. Just as I need extra minerals since I’m a mature woman, I need the affair as I am still beautiful and horny. Calcium for my bones and chrome and zinc… all of these are not provided in my regular diet, and so I need to take some additives to my food. My extramarital affairs are additives to my health, regardless of my activities with my husband.” A married woman

    As CH has said before in the archives: The true nature of women revealed.

    That excerpt was pulled from a Psychology Today article called “Is Junk Sex as Bad as Junk Food?”

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 9:10 pm YaReally

      This is basically what I said when I was explaining to some concerned moral knights my views on women cheating in a recent comment section.

      If their guy provides all the minerals they need, they won’t seek them elsewhere. If he doesn’t, they’ll stray, and they will completely hamster-rationalize it to avoid guilt…and society will back them up on their Eat Pray Love adventures because deep-down they KNOW what they aren’t telling you.

      So learn some fucking game and don’t become stagnant in life as a man or some jackass like me will be going down on your girl while she answers your 10th call asking where she is and she’ll be trying not to cum as she tells you she’s with her BFF Sarah lol

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  13. on July 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm Max from Australia

    1. She is taking you shopping to get money out of you. You will like the most expensive thing she puts on and she’ll try to get you to pay for it. Don’t go shopping with pussy.
    2. Actual convo. Me cooking BBQ
    Me. ” I want to fuck Miranda Kerr ”
    Her ” aim a bit high aren’t you”
    Me ” thanks for the support sourpuss stop being so positive”
    Her chinks beers with me pats on back ” you go for it big guy”
    Me “careful or no food for you”

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  14. on July 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm Drano

    “women may pick up on the fact that their partner’s agreeability is not entirely authentic. If she suspects he’s not really as positive as he seems, or that he has an ulterior motive, she may become less positive herself in an attempt to get at his real feelings”

    From an evo-psych perspective, this makes sense. Men interact directly with the world and women interact indirectly with the world via men. On some level women know their judgment isnt too great, so when a man is too agreeable with her she senses something is up. That the man isnt being a man, he is not being authentic. He is being the woman’s follower. She needs a leader and he is refusing to be one. In the ancestral environment a guy like this would end up getting both of them hurt or killed. To combat this potential bad outcome women become more antagonistic, challenging the man to be a man and take charge.

    So one can say feminism is the collective female shit test on the global level, challenging men to take control and lead. So far only the men in Eastern Europe and the muslims in middle-east have passed the test.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm Tilikum

      great points.

      the only time this doesn’t apply is when you’re value is so much higher. then supplication is seen as sweet and endearing.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 6:48 pm Drano

        True. But then again why would you want to slum it with someone way below your value. (your value being based on game/status/wealth and hers on looks)

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm ron

      The muslims are most definitely NOT passing that test. They are the male equivalent of the feminists in the West. Out of control femininity / Out of control masculinity. If we have feral females, they have feral males.

      As for the Eastern Europeans, they are just starting to be subjected to feminism, and according to some articles on Roosh’s site, it’s starting to take root their too.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 6:46 pm Drano

        Yes muslims are out of control in the west. But Im talking about them in the mid-east. When the shit test known as feminism creeps out of the west and into their area its met with cruel opposition. Definitely not the right away to handle it but then again the femdyke’s boot isnt pressing against their necks like it is on the western man’s.

        On EE, yeah theyre late to the party. They might succumb to it. Fortunately for them the major exporters (US & EU) of this hateful ideology are headed down the path of economic depression with internal strife amongst various incompatible groups.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:22 am Nicole

        It has to be opposed while the vast majority of the women of age are still married and with children (sons).

        Because women are more emotionally driven though practical, but socially dependent, if the demographic shifts to the majority of women being single or single mothers, there is trouble.

        A friend of mine from Kenya says that there is now a shortage of suitable single women who men want to marry (who are of course complaining about a shortage of “men who can handle a strong woman”), and many are going the party-girl route out of desperation. Since he has some pull there, I’ve advised him to tell the men to remain vocal that they’re not interested in miseducated harpies.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 7:10 pm Simon Corso

      ” So one can say feminism is the collective female shit test on the global level, challenging men to take control and lead. ”

      Your definition of feminism and mine are very close.

      Feminism: The mother of all shit tests writ large across the face of western society.

      Treat it as such.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 10:16 pm siberianjourney

      “So far only the men in Eastern Europe and the muslims in middle-east have passed the test.”

      Yes, they should be your heros. Shot these uppity bitches for dancing. God, I feel a sense of relief there’s Alphas still alive somewhere, in Goatfuck, Pakistan. Hope for civilization.

      http://www.inquisitr.com/824406/pakistani-sisters-shot-for-dancing-in-the-rain/

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  15. on July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm thwack

    “So far only the men in Eastern Europe and the muslims in middle-east have passed the test.”
    ——————————————————————————————–

    What country you from?

    (((shakin my head)))

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 5:15 pm Drano

      Well last I checked… nvm troll

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:24 am haunted trilobite

      Ha, thwack is right-the dark elements of society keep the hizzes in check. Although there is a trend of catching grenades and being suicidal, sooicidal for women since pants have started getting tighter.

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  16. on July 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm WillBest

    I never really understood the need to avoid respectful confrontation regardless of who you are dealing with. I tell my clients what they need to hear not what I think they are paying me to hear. Of course, once I have provided them with the information I will execute whatever they ask me to even if I think its a bad idea. If it has cost me any business its been marginal.

    As for my wife she will hear the truth, which did shock her the first couple times but after 10 years she is used to it. It does get some raised eyebrows or “I can’t believe” comments from other people when they hear it from time to time.

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  17. on July 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm earl

    This is how you can have sex with women emotionally all day long if you wish.

    Sticking your dick into her brain and then taking it out. Keeping the rhythm up until those tingles are unleashed.

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  18. on July 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm Ronin

    Great post!

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  19. on July 1, 2013 at 5:17 pm Be A "No, Dear" Man | Viva La Manosphere!

    […] heartiste.wordpress.com […]

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  20. on July 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm Arred Wade

    PT’s analysis reeks of hamster-bait and carries the distinct irony of henpecking men for their role in becoming henpecked.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 11:10 pm Matthew

      spam salad.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:17 pm Arred Wade

        Not quite.

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  21. on July 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Thug killers always get the poon swoon, latest edition:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/01/baffoe-lets-mock-people-attracted-to-aaron-hernandez/

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:03 am Alden

      Heh. I came to this thread just now to post that article. Amusing stuff.

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  22. on July 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm Greatest Beta

    TL DR version: don’t be a wimp with women.

    Due to my feminine hamster (hat tip whorefinder) I would pick fights with girlfriends for the lolz. My boys always thought I was batshit crazy for doing so as most of them avoid conflict. Me? I love a fight for fun just to stir the pot.

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm YaReally

      Sounds like THIS alpha loves to fight!

      lol, sorry couldn’t resist. ❤

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  23. on July 1, 2013 at 8:10 pm Anonymous

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/01/3480714/juvenile-program-workers-accused.html Lololzzozzz

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  24. on July 1, 2013 at 8:31 pm mypostingcareer.com

    BETA OF THE MONTH SUBMISSION

    Look at this faggot, taken to the cleaners by his ugly wife and now living an a shared house he no doubt pays for while she sets up photo ops to show the world what a bitch her ex is:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/01/split-but-together-divorced-couples-finding-novel-ways-to-live-under-the-same-roof-for-their-childrens-sake/

    The pictures of the guy are the spitting of a defeated, emasculated man:

    What a faggot!

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  25. on July 1, 2013 at 8:47 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    It took me awhile to figure out that all of the better musicians in my circle almost want to hear something negative. Or perhaps to my beta mind, I think its negative, but to them they take it as pointing out something that they may have missed. And if you’re a ‘yeah man that sounds great’, you’ll never be asked again or at least not taken seriously. So I always think, ok, what could be better here?…then say something to the effect of ‘yeah too much mid range, man’, and that usually goes over well. In a way its to see if you’re a peer or not.

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  26. on July 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm Be A “No, Dear” Man « PUA Central

    […] Be A “No, Dear” Man […]

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  27. on July 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm Survivorman

    This article adds credence to a theory I’ve been formulating for awhile now:

    “Women are fucking impossible to live with..”

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  28. on July 1, 2013 at 9:57 pm Scray

    Man of Steel Game:
    Complete absence of dark triad? Np bro. just be strongest man in universe, ripped, male model good looks, fly, save world, move mountains, destroy cities, and u get an -arguable- 6. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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  29. on July 1, 2013 at 11:06 pm tspark156

    Women and girls get turned off if their needs are met immediately by men. Why? because a consistent male willingness to constantly please is a clear demonstration of low value. All you will achieve by simpering around a woman is a give her a sense of your desperation and your scarcity mentallity which will make her think that she has better options. Why are women like that? Because they are shallow, self centred, emotionally driven, hormone ridden, dumb as fuck split asses. The one saving grace is they make a great place to stick your junk, just be thankfull for that.

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  30. on July 1, 2013 at 11:13 pm Wrecked 'Em

    Where are all the women at? Anybody else notice that the comment thread went 7 hours without the usual hens pecking?

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    • on July 1, 2013 at 11:14 pm Wrecked 'Em

      Correction, 9 hours. That has to be a record.

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      • on July 1, 2013 at 11:24 pm tspark156

        At the mall with their bfs and husbands watching them try dresses on.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 11:25 am RappaccinisDaughter

      Maybe all of us hens are in agreement that it’s a total waste of time to bring a romantic prospect on a clothes shopping expedition. Straight men either hate it or barely tolerate it, in my experience, and they walk out of there feeling like you owe them a favor. Forget it; that’s what gay boyfriends and girlfriends are for.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 11:36 am feministx

        I’ve been dating my boyfriend for like 4 years now, and I have taken him shopping once with me. I believe he’s the only boyfriend I took shopping.

        He was reliving the experience of buying clothes for his daughters or something. He got into it and picked me out a dress, which he thinks is just about the best dress I own.

        But it was too much for me. I guess I found it odd not to be picking my own clothes.

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  31. on July 2, 2013 at 12:30 am Anon

    Amantium irae amoris integratio est.

    Lovers’ quarrels are the renewal of love.

    From the play Andria, by Terence 170BC

    Over two thousand years and it still rings true.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 12:32 am Anon

      BTW Terence borrowed from the ancient greek playwrights, so who knows how far back the quote really goes….

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  32. on July 2, 2013 at 2:29 am Tom

    In case anyone needs more evidence of this – here is the perfect example. Brought to you by a miserable , aging & complaining sandy vagina who is “happily married , dreaming of divorce” because her *agreeable* husband still greets her ungrateful ass with a SMILE in the morning — just because she would rather behave like a petulant b*tch before 10 AM. And this evidence comes to you from the last place you would ever expect!!

    —–>> OPRAH MAGAZINE

    Gentlemen, I present the Mid-Wife Crisis. Get ready to see a journalist package self-loathing and selfishness as introspection — and then sell that shit to the dumbest bunch of cows on Earth: readers of Oprah Magazine.

    Read this for a reason to say, “I don’t.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/08/26/o.divorce.dreams/

    Oprah Magazine calls a “Mid-Wife Crisis” a “period of high irritation” lasting “one to two decades”, in which a married woman is nagged by lingering regrets over her marriage. During this time she constructively “resents the shit out of her husband”, “acts like a little cunt”, and “makes life bitchy and miserable for anyone who gives a shit about her stupid ass.” One to two decades? That means your average Oprah wife is a grumpy, passive-aggressive princess for twice as long as her average marriage!

    A “Mid-Wife Crisis” can more easily be explained as every man’s worst nightmare: a sexless marriage that can only be solved by writing a big fucking check.

    Today, I’m going to explore this phenomenon as experienced by Ellen Tien of Oprah Magazine. I’m sure you will see (as I have) that all this bullshit is nothing more than the half-assed rantings of a neurotic, 30-something whore who thinks her husband owes her personal happiness.

    Your husband is not your personal fucking Santa Claus, Ellen. It’s not his fault you’re miserable. It’s just his fault you have a roof over your head while you pout. Happiness is like orgasms. If you don’t work for it, you don’t get any.

    In her shitty article, Ellen quotes a small sample of minor grievances and narcissistic assumptions as evidence to support her husband’s general “crapness”. In theory, it is the forced acceptance of this “crapness” through publishing that ultimately validates her own projected feelings of worthlessness. But I’ll get to that later.

    “I contemplate divorce every day. It tugs on my sleeve each morning when my husband, Will, greets me in his chipper, smug morning-person voice, because after 16 years of waking up together, he still hasn’t quite pieced out that I’m not viable before 10 a.m.” -Ellen Tien

    Fuck you, bitch. Get out of bed and be glad someone wants to see your fucked-up, ugly ass before Maybelline takes ten years off.

    “Not being a morning person” is what I call a Cunt Button. And it’s a collection of these arbitrary Cunt Buttons that make up every woman’s personality. For example, some women “really care about the environment”. That’s a Cunt Button. If you hit it, said girl will act like a total bitch because you left the faucet running for thirty seconds while you brushed your fucking teeth. Big deal. If saving Mother Earth is so important, why don’t you turn your car off at stop lights?

    Because women are never cunts to themselves.

    Not being a “morning person” is another Cunt Button; one that is commonly found alongside a fanatically practiced morning coffee routine and a confusion between confidence and arrogance. They hand these out in a combo pack at the same place women pick up their Barbie Briefcases. It’s no surprise that Ellen has the first at least!

    Fuck your husband for wanting to see you in the morning, right honey? I’m with you. He fucked up by marrying your ass in the first place. Just look at the difference a ring makes.

    The real reason all you selfish, con artist wives out there “silently” resent your husbands for one to two decades is because you’re disappointments as wives and mothers and you fucking know it. Get him before he gets you. That’s the game. And there’s no more womanly way to do that than by keeping track of minor grievances.

    But you’re women. Why realize any of this and fix it when you could just blame the nearest man, take half his money, and get some dick on the side when circumstances get beyond your control. Right, Ellen? When Oprah Magazine is your conscience, you can sign your own report card.

    Any woman with a Mid-Wife Crisis is a petulant little bitch who can’t accept that being happy isn’t someone else’s responsibility. It’s not a husband’s responsibility to make his fucking wife happy.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:53 am Ben Gurion

      If you take this attitude the entire marriage, they won’t use their cunt buttons, as they’re nothing but ever more complex shit tests. Ellen is secretly begging her husband to call her a boring bitch because she knows she is. I ask my wife all the time, why should I talk to you? She follows me into the shower to talk to me. DHV- you’re the prize.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:12 am Greg Eliot

      Heh, heh…. “cunt button”, very good.

      “Lasting one to two decades”… hell, the least they could do is curtail it down to equal the number of years they had “hotness”… lulz.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:13 am tspark156

      Stone killer of a comment. If you also comment here as Tom the Democrat you are clearly a raving schizophrenic.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 7:08 am aleister

      Good comment.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 10:42 am cryo

      This is why I’ll never get married, even with a kid on the way. I know that SoCons and NeoCons will try to shame me into getting married. The mother will attempt to pressure me into marriage, no doubt. People will think I’m scum, irresponsible, selfish; even as I support and raise my child. But at the end of the day I will still have my balls and the satisfaction of never giving a Western woman the opportunity to make me her meal ticket.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm Rusty Shackleford

      Funny, I can’t help but notice a lot of similarities between this comment and a post on the very same article, from five years ago, on Menarebetterthanwomen.com.
      http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/dick-responds-the-mid-wife-crisis/#more-1133

      Surely a coincidence, right? Plagarism game?

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 3:02 pm Ronin

      Slow Clap.

      +Nomination for Guest-Blogger at The Chateau.

      .
      PS: Even if @CH set fire to an American Flag tomorrow, I would still treasure this blog for publishing the story of Dave From Hawaii.

      ( https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/relationship-game-week-a-readers-journey/ )

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 8:24 am HockeyMonkey

        Read the post above yours, he ripped his post off from somewhere else.

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  33. on July 2, 2013 at 2:57 am Mudz

    This is pretty accurate. The most rapid and obvious crushgasms I ever induced in a girl, was by calling her fat. Honest. I’ve done it to a few chicks now. Once, I just said ‘fuckin’ obese’. (Ok, context matters. It has to be uber-excessively super-apparently ironic.)

    (Seriously, having a girl’s face light up because you called her fat is one of those unmissable experiences in life.)

    I didn’t even do it to flip her switch. I was just irritated by the dude fawning over her telling her how not-fat she was.(Which is usually when I auto-insult a girl, just for balance.)

    It’s amazing how their like-ometers just instantly freak out.

    So yes, there is a marked and undeniable contrast. Girls have basically very mild (I’m-eating-a-nice-sandwich-type) responses to shallow fawning. If I had to guess, I’d say it’s because they get it from each other all the time as routine friend-talk. It’s just white-noise to them. Like relationship advice.

    I think basically everything is explainable through the concept of men being designed to be the dominant agents in a relationship. Girls and boys are wired for it to be that way. It’s sounds kind of douchey to the modern ‘intellectual’ ear, but sometimes I think girls just really want to please, and get irritated that they’re not getting clear instructions from hapless men. They also get irritated at having to own responsibility they subconsciously don’t really enjoy. (I’m guessing this is all Game concepts, but I’m only occasionally skim these blogs. I’m just sharing some xp and opinions.)

    Basically, Women are designed to respond to Men. (With the capitals and everything.)

    An extra note. This is just me hitting on girls. I know crap all about marriage, or relationships, or even sex. (Christian, no sex before marriage, and all that. Though, really, what’s there to know?) So take it as you like. 🙂

    I could go on, but this is basically everything you’re pretty much saying anyway, OP dude, except in way more detail than my brain has ever gone into in a social setting.

    Fin.

    (P.S. I’m not actually an callous heart-breaking bastard or anything. These are just casual socialising with buddies moments. But I thought it was worth something to share.)

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:54 am Ben Gurion

      Calling her old looking, or you look like your mother,etc. all work well.

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  34. on July 2, 2013 at 5:27 am earl

    Or as my former boss told me about women.

    “You got to make their blood boil once in a while.”

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  35. on July 2, 2013 at 6:57 am walawala

    Saying NO and MEANGING NO. If you compromise then it’s a discussion. If you want to compromise better to make a counter offer.

    Her: I wanna go shopping

    Me: Let’s meet up after you’re finished. Gives me time to go to the gym. Perfect

    Her: blah blah blah

    Take it or leave it.

    Pre-game me would have negotiated.

    I was gaming an 18 year old who told me she likes older guys because she doesn’t like making decisions and so wants to have a stronger older guy.

    Then without any irony she shit-tested me by saying:

    “Older guys are so stubborn”.

    I never bothered replying to that.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 9:21 am YaReally

      “Saying NO and MEANGING NO. If you compromise then it’s a discussion.”

      This. Perfect. You’ve been dropping solid gold lately, you’re one of the usernames I search for when I read the comment section.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 9:55 am corvinus

      Stubborn is sexy.

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  36. on July 2, 2013 at 8:06 am Sidewinder

    I take something a little different from the study results. I think the key word is authenticity. Women want cooperation, not conflict and negativity. But to truly cooperate with another self-respecting human being, they have to feel like they have an authentic second opinion or perspective in their man. This is what a mild neg communicates: I will tell you the truth, not be a kiss ass. The answer isn’t to be disagreeable or to deliberately challenge a girl, it is to be authentic. When they ask for your opinion, they aren’t looking for agreement or disagreement. They are looking for a substantive response that indicates that you are being real with them. By being real, you communicate non-neediness, and a detachment from any outcome dependence. If you just respond to her question in the negative, you need to be prepared to explain why. This is because it isn’t the negativity that they are after, but the authenticity.

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  37. on July 2, 2013 at 10:59 am LiveFearless

    GREAT POST CH! @GBFM Still laughing! @DdR yes David D has a great beginner’s guide: http://bit.ly/1215Srt but don’t count on the beta ‘church’ or ‘christian’ males to read it or accept it. Mom told them that spending a lot of money on her, sending her flowers and being overly appreciative of every moment of attention she gives you is the key to attraction. Let them keep listening to Momma’s advice as they continue to ‘work hard’ instead of working smart ( explained at http://bit.ly/13SNNNO Vic )

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  38. on July 2, 2013 at 11:38 am feministx

    I like this study because it shows I can control a guy’s happiness. I mean, I already knew it, but proof is king. Rather, I am king.

    I pronounce you will be happy! No! Unhappy! It’s like waving a wand and controlling someone’s soul. Whoopee!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 11:53 am DdR

      I disagree. Man acts, woman reacts. A man is the aggressor in the relationship, the woman is passive. Ergo, in order for the man to become happy in a relationship, he must first make the woman happy (by, conversely, making her unhappy). He will then derive relationship bliss from her happiness.

      And from pounding a tight hole on a beautiful, nubile woman.

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  39. on July 2, 2013 at 12:13 pm Capsaicin

    Baffoe: Let’s Mock People Attracted To Aaron Hernandez

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/01/baffoe-lets-mock-people-attracted-to-aaron-hernandez/

    “If you’ve ever wondered how serial killers and other prisoners can get letters from incredibly pathetic strangers promising marriage, this is how.”

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  40. on July 2, 2013 at 7:47 pm cryo

    Off Topic Plea for Advice:

    Is there a way to discern whether a hamster is being genuine in her adoration? It is common knowledge that hamsters will shower you with compliments and flattery during the early stages of seduction. This is naturally how they “sink their hooks in you”, so to speak. So how does one calibrate the sincere expressions of love from the manipulative ploys for your eventual beta backslide?

    Here are some examples of texts I’ve received, all from the same hamster:

    “You make me the happiest girl in the world when I’m with you”

    “I’m being greedy I wanna see you tonight and tomorrow night”

    “Goodnight, can’t wait to dream about you”

    It all seems a little much if you know what I mean. I’ve been trying to gauge her sincerity here and there, casually chipping away underneath the surface. Here’s another text convo for illustration:

    Her: what are we doing tomorrow

    Me: anal perhaps, anal and a movie

    Her: thats not really the first thing i wanted to do after not seeing you for three weeks 🙂

    Me: don’t lie

    Me: honestly i just want to chill out, relax

    Her: you had me scared to come home for a minute

    Me: oh you should still be scared, don’t get me wrong

    Her: you’re going to murder me for your birthday

    Me: if you’re lucky, could be worse

    Her: i’d take my chances with worse just to be with you a little longer

    Me: aw such a romantic

    Her: I know 🙂

    Her: I always have been 🙂

    Me: stay that way

    Her: just don’t turn my heart to ice and i will

    Me: i don’t freeze them i break them 😉

    Her: mines not breakable

    Me: heart of stone

    Her: yeah lol

    Me: now I know

    Her: yeah but you’re probably strong enough to crush stone in your hand 🙂

    I don’t know. There are times when I want to shed my cynicism and just believe a woman’s words. But there’s always that tiny voice of doubt in the back of my head.

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    • on July 5, 2013 at 4:35 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Looks solid. That’s not the preggo one, right?

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  41. on July 8, 2013 at 9:30 am anon

    – To the 19 year old hottie that has been playing coy:

    Right now, you have choices. You are currently pretty,
    young, and thin. But the booze and other stuff catches up
    (it always does), time ticks away, and with time so goes
    your figure unless you are really disciplined (are you?).

    The bad-boys, “famous people,” and pick-up artists
    will be all over you for one pump-and-dump after another.
    That’s reality – for now. But as time passes, your
    options will diminish.

    On the other hand, I am a successful, fit, sane, capable,
    and yes decent looking middle aged man who is stable. At
    this point in life, my options are opening up more than ever
    – yes, with younger women as well – because most guys
    don’t hang well into this age and money bracket.

    The ball is in your court.

    – deleted her from my contacts, emails/texts. 10 minutes later and she’s ready to close. Getting better at game.

    – submitted to CH for review and comment.

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  42. on July 12, 2013 at 4:00 am finndistan

    On the point of cooperation and not cooperating…

    A young buck in my circle is pissed that the girl he had in his bed the last night lied there like a dead donkey, expecting to be sexed by an enthusiastic greek god. The buck was going what the fuck in his head.

    I told him, omitting the western, strong and independent and sexually empowered part:

    “Look, you were hard, you were ready, she did not need to do anything to get you aroused. Your readiness for pleasuring her made her forgo any attempt in giving you some pleasure. On the other hand, if you were a drunk bar rat who could not get it up, then she would be there doing all sorts of things like sucking your balls dry to get you up, and to prove that she is sexy…”

    “Fuck this shit.”

    Anyway, it turns out that this buck got dressed before without fucking her and told her to leave.

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  43. on July 12, 2013 at 4:04 am finndistan

    Another point on cooperation and not cooperating.

    Got the best blowjob from the girl after the relationship. Not committed. Not invested. Elusive. Balls sucked dry.

    During relationship: “Blowjobs make me nauseous”

    Also any cooperation can be construed as “You just cooperate because you want sex” and backfire.

    As proven by this paper and a collective wisdom of men who have lived and done, non-cooperation actually ends up in more sex because the need for the (I was going to write cunt, which technically is correct) woman to prove her desirability and control, and just because non-cooperation induces gina-niagara

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 5:50 am M3

      @finndistan

      Yes and no.

      Best blowjob I ever got was from my current LTR. Bar none.

      Worst I ever got was from a stripper who assumed I enjoyed frantic head bobbing. Numerous attempts top correct proved fruitless. And she was trying to please me.. Now that’s sad.

      Got heat head from my ex wife during courtship, then turned into nauseating lets get it over with bjs after we got married and I went full beta.

      Moral of the story, as long as you are alpha to get, she will try hard, even if she’s incompetent at giving head. But once you go beta, it’s repulsive trio them to put your dick in their mouth.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 7:43 am finndistan

        Might have written in haste.

        I meant, when thinking about one specific girl, her best blowjob came when she enthusiastically got down to business after the relationship ended, and it was a fuckbuddy situation that did not last. The same girl, when in a relationship prior to that event, claimed nausea.

        And your moral of the story is correct.

        Hard not to go beta when whole world is telling you that is the right thing.

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