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“Back To Europe” Movement

July 2, 2013 by CH

A smattering of far-sighted readers across the blogoglobe have impertinently suggested the possibility that as America the Disparate breaks apart socially, economically and perhaps even geographically, (a near-certain conclusion given present realities), a “Back to Europe” movement will arise in corners of the stressed population as a means of escaping the spiraling dystopia.

The thought of returning to an ancestral homeland is enticing. It’s been the enlivening cri de coeur of at least one major world religion. If you, as I do, subscribe to the notion that humans evolve in step with their environment, and that this co-evolution of culture, ecology and biology plucks deep, primal rhythms in the heart when the three are aligned in accord with their historical partnership, then it’s not a strange proposition that returning to Europe, the authentic homeland of diaspora whites, might speak to many Americans in the same yearning, nostalgic way that returning to visit the neighborhood and the home in which you spent your formative years produces powerful undertows of wistful longing.

This is the stuff of wild fantasy, but if the bottom falls out from under America it’s not at all inconceivable that millions of internally dispossessed Americans will cast an eye to a long-lost brother across the sea, in hopes of beginning anew what was so recklessly and stupidly squandered here. No one should expect a “B2E” movement to happen overnight; but we live in an accelerated age, and big change, say along a timeline of decades rather than centuries, is capable of sneaking up on you.

Obviously, difficulties in a Back to Europe de-colonization scenario present. Outlined below are a few of the biggest hurdles.

– The narcissism of small differences factor. Would the Europeans want us? Europe is already densely populated, much more so than most of the US, and the addition of 50 million Americans won’t alleviate that. Many continental Europeans don’t even much care for Americans, and view them as a distinct white ethnicity, loud, boisterous, ill-kempt, fat (guilty as charged) and uncouth, like the Dutch might view the Greeks. It would take a lot of convincing to get Europeans to agree to allow mass white American immigration, but if their native birth rates remain as low as they are now (Germany is at something like 1.2 TFR) then they may not have a choice but to welcome their wandering cousins back to the fold.

– The Mad Max factor. Would Americans be willing to leave their military and weapons industry unattended? Can you imagine the US nuclear arsenal in the hands of the left side of the bell curve? *shudder* And the good bet is that the left-behinds will be disproportionately left-curvers, as only the smart will have the foresight to know ahead of time to jump a sinking ship. (This last point is debatable.)

– The mutt factor. The founding stock of America is a mix of predominantly German, English, Dutch and Scandinavian ancestry. Irish, Italian and Polish added their bloodlines to the founding stock in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Since then, it’s been all downhill, but the essential biological nature of white America is largely unchanged: Most white Americans are some mix of the above European ethnicities. So where does a Euro-mutt American resettle in Europe? Germany? England? Italy? It’s not an easy question, as the theory of mind that evolution informs suggests that a Euro-mutt will feel ancient pulls toward each of his ancestral homelands. You might, for instance, feel equally benevolent toward the stoicism of Swedes and the lustiness of Italians, or equally comfortable in the mountainous Alps as in the steppes of Ukraine.

– The leftoid factor. Contrary to assumption, I think most B2Eers will be of the liberal persuasion. As Haidt has documented, conservatives possess a stronger moral emphasis on loyalty. It’s conservatives who will stick it out in America till the bitter end, loyal to the last. Liberals will cut and run as soon as their pasty, plush asses are threatened by real discomfort. Plus, Europe has always held more appeal to liberals, who nurse the idea that the continent is filled with sophisticates. To the liberal, escape to Europe is like a hipster backpacker’s dream writ large. Of course, liberals will rationalize their escape as being something like “getting away from those degenerate rednecks ruining America”, but by that time most of us will know the real reason, and it won’t be a secret carefully warehoused by a dying MSM anymore.

– The betrayal factor. To return to Europe is to dance on the graves of the Founding Fathers. It’s to say, “Sorry, old chaps, you bequeathed your posterity a great enterprise, and we made a hash of it. All that revolution for nothing.” Many Americans will have a hard time overcoming this emotional obstacle. Not a few Euros will probably rub it in our faces.

– The culture clash factor. 350+ years is enough time for a distinct American culture to flourish. It’s perhaps enough time for a distinct American genome to flourish as well. Plopping Americans into Europe could create a strain that, coupled with the dysgenic Muslim elements of European society, can’t be managed. But this is pure speculation. It’s just as likely that Americans, once safely in the womb of Mother Europe, will revert to their ancestral pre-American norms and imbibe the best of Europe’s culture while jettisoning the worst of America’s.

– The climate factor. Can America’s white Southroners, acclimated to their subtropical heat and humidity, take to the dryness and cold of continental Europe or the chill winds of the Scottish Highlands? If their genes haven’t changed too much, they can. White Northerners should have no trouble settling anywhere in Europe.

All told, the Back to Europe scenario is less likely than a Retreat to Canada or Trek to Australia scenario. Canada is closer and more simpatico (speak the same language) to American sensibilities, while Australians share Americans’ zest for life and genial brusqueness. If climate warming proceeds as predicted, Canada will become exceedingly friendly as a relocation spot (Australia less so). Regrettably, South Africa is a lost cause, and Russians have too much spooky Siberian blood in them to find enough common ground with Americans as next door neighbors.

For the single American man, the choice of relocation destination in Europe will depend on the beauty of the native women. At the risk of opening the floor to furious but unenlightening debate, all of the East European countries would rank high, along with Italy and France, followed by Sweden and Finland. But don’t stress about it. You’re going to Europe; woman-wise you really can’t go wrong since most of the world’s beauties hail from the land of the ice and snow where Cro-Magnons made inspired interspecies love with large-eyed Neanderthals.

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  1. on July 2, 2013 at 12:40 pm Arred Wade

    Enjoying the Haidt citations. I think you neglect the fact that much of Europe is more besieged by immigration than America is, and more urbanized — so a greater percentage of it is affected. Seems like whites would have better luck seeking out remote parts of America if they’re interested in homogeneous ethnic communities.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:57 am Digger Nick

        You are a brilliant man. You covered so much truth in this satirical post. Too bad every neanderthal will be too hopped up on ritalin and too fat due to corn syrup to be able to understand it.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:43 pm mark

        Whites certainly need their own living space on this Earth, void of any non-whites, but we need desperately to understand the magnitude of the Jewish problem, AND DEAL WITH IT, if we are ever to keep own living space livable.The four books below will go along way toward that understanding.

        The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements
        By Kevin MacDonald
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0759672229?ie=UTF8&tag=hoosierccc-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0759672229

        Cultural Insurrections: Essays on Western Civilization, Jewish Influence, and Anti-Semitism
        By Kevin MacDonald
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977988228?ie=UTF8&tag=hoosierccc-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0977988228

        Separation and Its Discontents: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Anti-Semitism
        By Kevin MacDonald
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1410792617?ie=UTF8&tag=hoosierccc-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1410792617

        A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, with Diaspora Peoples
        By Kevin MacDonald
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0595228380?ie=UTF8&tag=hoosierccc-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0595228380

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:43 pm Tony

        I have news for you. No matter what you will do or say, or what ridiculous books you write, you will never win against the Jew. You’re not the only one who tried blaming the Jews for everything wrong in his life. The result of such dishonesty in the past lead to destruction. If Europe is being destroyed now, it’s proof God is taking his revenge on Europeans who for 2000 years persecuted the Jews (his chosen people). Everything has a price, now that’s Europe’s price.

        Don’t return to Europe. Stay in America since America never persecuted Jews and thus is blessed as a result. However, men like you and others here who hate Jews so much, are treading on thin ice. The moment America turns on the Jew is the moment its fate will be sealed for destruction. The only reason you see America struggling so much now is because some here have forgotten its Judo-Christian heritage, both from the Left and the Right. The Left is replacing it with atheism (destroying OT values) and some on the Right are neo-Nazis who would like to obliterate the truth about the Jews’ contribution to civilized society and western values. But as we say: “The truth shall set you free.” So stick to the truth, instead of making up scandalous lies, as well as omitting the truth about the Jews and their glorious genius.

        Stay in America and fight to keep it white just as the Funding Fathers intended it to be. Leaving America to invaders is not an answer. And, blaming the Jews for your own mistakes is not an answer either.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:08 pm billy2shoes

        “God is taking his revenge on Europeans who for 2000 years persecuted the Jews (his chosen people)”
        Troll?
        If da Europeans were so meany-mean to da poor likkle oppressed Jews, why did they keep returning to Europe? God’s chosen people sure must be masochists, just like da Negroes who be oppressed by da evil white man, yet continue to follow him everywhere he goes!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:11 pm eyeslevel

        Jooze for amnesty and flooding America with non-whites.
        http://intranet.hias.org/uploaded/file/019d91f6add54d316cbfafffb6012ebe.pdf

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:45 pm Syd Barrett

        That’s interesting Tony, but aren’t jews one of the invading groups in America also ?? Additionally, please explain how Europeans have persecuted jews for over 2,000 years. Some facts would be nice.
        Finally, jews always blame everyone else as to why they are persecuted, they never seem to have a moment of self reflection. Why would all these different ethnic groups, religions, and racial groups, always pick on the “poor” jews. Interesting huh ?

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 8:41 am Tony

        “That’s interesting Tony, but aren’t jews one of the invading groups in America also ?? ”

        False. Jews didn’t invade. They were sent into exile by the Romans and that’s how they ended up outside their homeland. Some were expelled or were taken as captives to Europe, and some were disbursed all over the Middle East. Either way, their homeland is the Land of Israel, and up until 1948 they couldn’t enter it. Once they finally re-seized control of it, they have been coming back steadily. Thousands of Jews return back to Israel each year.

        You seem to be confused on what invaders mean. Invaders are either conquering armies, such as has been plaguing Europe since the time of antiquity – the Assyrians, the Germanic tribes, and Islam – or it’s a silent invasion – people coming from the 3rd world, such as Africa, Latin America, India, or Islamic counties. Jews never belonged to any of these groups. They never invaded at sword point, and they are not unwanted moochers from the 3rd world looking to get free stuff, or a competing religion looking to effect mass conversion and jihad on the inhabitants. Yet, angry jealous liars like you like to use misnomers and throw confusing information that have no basis in truth or reality. You sound uneducated when you make such a statement about Jews invading.

        “Additionally, please explain how Europeans have persecuted jews for over 2,000 years. Some facts would be nice.”

        Unbelievable! Are you really uneducated, or just playing stupid??? Jews have been persecuted for 2,000 years – that’s a fact. There hasn’t been one year in those 2,000 years that didn’t have some anti-Jewish law, pogrom, expulsion, or mass murder against Jews. The two most famous ones that even most uneducated idiots like you probability know is the Spanish Inquisition (in which 300,000 +/- Jews were murdered, 300,000 +/- Jews were expelled, and 300,000 Jews +/- were forced to convert to Christianity), and the Holocaust (in which 6,000,000 Jews were murdered). There are plenty more. As i said, every year of those 2,000 years had some kind of horrible decree imposed on Jews. Remember the crusades? They murdered Jews wholesale in the Holy Land when they arrived. And, how about this event, The York pogrom, 1190?
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/history/pogromyork_1.shtml

        There are plenty more of these actions against Jews throughout history. It’s sickening what Europeans have done to the Jews, and now idiots like you instead of keeping their trap shut pretend Europe is some victim. Whatever is happening to Europe today, it’s God’s retribution. Just make sure America doesn’t go down the same route to elicit his rebuke and punishment.

        “Finally, jews always blame everyone else as to why they are persecuted, they never seem to have a moment of self reflection. Why would all these different ethnic groups, religions, and racial groups, always pick on the “poor” jews. Interesting huh ?”

        So you admit Jews have been persecute huh? I love the unintended self- confessions that some of you inadvertently use to expose yourselves for the malcontent dishonest liars you are. To answer your fraudulent question anyway, it’s people like you who never have a moment of self-reflection so they like to blame everyone else for their troubles, especially blame the Jews. How original. Every Jew hater in history hurled the same nonsense you just spewed. Jews have been persecuted simply because they are different; because they refused to abandon God’s commandments and his instructions to them. Most of them chose death over conversion to false religions. That’s why both the Christians and the Muslims have persecuted them – specifically because they refused to accept either Christianity or Islam That’s the simple answer to your dishonest questions, and to your nonsense and illogical arguments.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

        “Why would all these different ethnic groups, religions, and racial groups, always pick on the “poor” jews. Interesting huh?”

        This is why:

        “Wherever the Jews settled after ceasing to be a nation ready to defend its liberty and independence, one observes the development of antisemitism, or rather anti-Judaism; for antisemitism is an ill chosen word, which has its raison d’etre only in our day, when it is sought to broaden this strife between the Jew and the Christians by supplying it with a philosophy and a metaphysical, rather than a material reason. If this hostility, this repugnance had been shown towards the Jews at one time or in one country only, it would be easy to account for the local causes of this sentiment. But this race has been the object of hatred with all the nations amidst whom it ever settled. Inasmuch as the enemies of the Jews belonged to divers races, as they dwelled far apart from one another, were ruled by different laws and governed by opposite principles; as they had not the same customs and differed in spirit from one another, so that they could not possibly judge alike of any subject, it must needs be that the general causes of antisemitism have always resided in Israel itself, and not in those who antagonized it.”

        (Bernard Lazare, Antisemitism, Its History and Causes, The International Library Publishing Co., 1903).

        Lazare was jewish, by the way.

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      • on July 9, 2013 at 8:06 am Tony

        @Full-Fledged Fiasco

        Lazare was Jewish indeed, but he’s often misquoted by antisemites, as you just did.

        “One will find Lazare’s book cited at many anti-semitic websites and in in anti-semitic publications. The reason for this is that Lazare conducted a major reveiw of the history of anti-semitism and, to a very large decree, can be read as having put the blame on Jews themselves.”

        This is false of course. The Jews are not to blame. I guess you too get your info from Nazi websites and this is why you quoted this nonsense.

        As i said above, the Jews are hated because they are different; because they refused to convert to other religions. It’s as simple as that – nothing more and nothing less than that. Admit it and stop looking for fraudulent excuses as to why they are hated.

        Both Christianity and Islam used to force conversions at sword point. In contrast, Jews discourage converts, and don’t go looking for converts at all. Conversion in Judaism is possible, but not easy. it’s hard, and must be out of love for Judaism and God, and not out of fear from death or for an ulterior motive like marriage or what have you. That’s why conversions are discouraged and made hard – to ascertain it’s indeed done for good reasons.

        Currently, Christianity stop forcing people to convert, but Islam still does. That’s why current Christian/Jewish relations have been good lately, but not with Islam which is still very radical and fanatic in its thinking.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 2:50 am Digger Nick

        Well if you’re into this whole “sucking God’s dick for favors” thing, may i recommend you support the actual hebrews, and not the khazars that currently live in Israel?

        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/17/the-palestinians-are-descendants-of-the-ancient-israelites/

        The truth is, everyone who does not share your genes wants you dead. The truth is that you are a kike using emotional appeal and appeal to god instead of reason to come to the conclusion that we must support israel.

        We will never and shall never support you. For you do not share our genes. Now scurry back to where you came from.

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      • on July 9, 2013 at 8:26 am Tony

        @Digger Nick

        you’re truly an idiot if you believe this nonsense. The Jews of today are not the mythical khazars that so many antisemites would like to use to prove the Hebrews of old don’t exist any longer. Get off this lie already. it’s not doing you any good believing in things that are not true.

        In addition, believing the fucking Palestinians are the decedents of the ancient Israelites is even more stupid. it’s obvious so many antisemites would like to use them (as well as the Khazars) to deny the Jews of their heritage. Guess what? none of this nonsense is making a dent in the strong belief of the Jews living in Israel. They are victorious over their enemies with God’s help, always. One day the whole world will see the truth, including idiots like you who think the Jews are the Khazars or the fucking crazy Palestinians. BTW, be careful of the Muslims, whether Palestinians or other Arabs, they are looking to subjugate the entire world, including the USA. If I were you, I’d stop supporting them in any form or fashion.

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      • on July 9, 2013 at 8:35 am Tony

        @Digger Nick

        “We will never and shall never support you. For you do not share our genes. ”

        You make me laugh. Jews don’t look for support form other nations. Just the liberal lefty Jews do. Real Jews only look for Support form God. So you and your ilk are not needed buddy.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 12:19 pm Mishima

        Jews persecuted Christians as much as Christians persecuted Jews. They were simply two different groups engaged in resource competition. Jews’ extreme loyalty to their own group and fierce competition against “goyim”, economically and politically, didn’t make for good relations.

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      • on July 9, 2013 at 8:32 am Tony

        @Mishima

        “Jews persecuted Christians as much as Christians persecuted Jews. ”

        Nonsense. Jews didn’t persecute Christians. Remember, Jews are not looking to convert no one, unlike what the Christians have done for most of the 2000 years Christianity has existed. Christians were never tolerant of other religions until very recently. The Jews have always lived in fear of them.

        Yet, Jews make it a point to never look for converts or force conversion on no one because Jews believe that forced conversions are not legitimate. Conversion has to come from the heart, not by force.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 7:56 am Ben Gurion

        Those books above discuss the left and deconstruct it and our friends from the Levant are the main proponents of the philosophy. They’re all well researched, serious, scholarly works. All of the reviews were intelligent and the comment that these books changed your world perspective came up frequently. They are written by an Evo-psychology professor at Berkley who specializes in social conflict. They’re more a document of the facts that draw a conclusive picture. We’re being led around by the nose by a few hundred people ultimately; most, if not all of them, originally from the Levant. People need to know the truth about who runs their lives.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 11:03 am Matthew King

        I do love your dire warning, Tony. It reads like something from a prophet of the Old Testament.

        But do read the Old Testament.

        “I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people” (Exo 32:9). The entire OT is the narrative of a stubborn nation who simply will not get their shit together.

        Now here we are anno Domini, with one of their own having converted the world to the one true God, and they are still playing the holier-than-thou game. God sent his only Son, and stubborn as ever, they keep going their own way. In the Year of our Lord, this goes beyond “stiff necked” to inexplicable and probably damnable.

        I will not even theorize what God’s purpose still is for them, and I do respect the OT wrath. But the entire world believes in their God now, and it’s still not enough to end their subversive insistence on being separate from the nations. That strikes me as pathological.

        In their separation, they have become clever but not wise, resourceful but not magnanimous, they have survived but not flourished. Being the “chosen people” was not meant to be the superior people, but the idea went to their head from the start! “Chosen” meant a light to the nations, to get the word out about the one true God, not the forever-apart, forever-contemptuous, forever-stiff-necked, forever certain God will bail them out no matter how they renounced him.

        Jews are still B.C. because they didn’t simply miss but actively, continuously deny The Single Most Obvious Sign God was ever going to give them: his son himself, John 3:16. Meanwhile, the pagans became Jews en masse, and — by the grace of God and the power of his Mashiach — completed the mission for which the Chosen People were chosen in the first place.

        You do not help our “elder brothers” by encouraging their pathologies.

        Matt

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      • on July 10, 2013 at 9:22 am Tony

        @Matt King

        First, I want to say that I do respect you very much. Many of your opinions I agree with. But i fear that as a devout Christan you don’t understand the Jew or God’s role for him.

        “But do read the Old Testament.

        “I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people” (Exo 32:9). The entire OT is the narrative of a stubborn nation who simply will not get their sh!t together.”

        So what? It’s between God and his people. They had a deal with Him (they must follow his commandments) and that’s why he called them the chosen People. Each time they stopped following him and started following other gods and religions, He warned them to stop and when they didn’t He punished them. That’s why he called them “stiff-necked people.” They tried even His patience, and He is not quick to anger and has very long patience. That gives you an idea how exacerbating they were.

        Let’s clarify “chosen People.” It doesn’t mean God thinks the Jews are better than non-Jews. It means they agreed to be chosen to do his commandments, and by doing these commandments they automatically became a “light unto the nations” teaching values like The Ten Commandments and others found in the OT. Let’s face it, before the Jews and their OT became known to the nations, all the nations engaged in idolatry and sexual perversion. The Jews taught the world the difference between good and bad, right and wrong.

        “Herbert Huffmon considers the Ten Commandments to concern matters of fundamental importance: the greatest obligation (to worship only God), the greatest injury to a person (murder), the greatest injury to family bonds (adultery), the greatest injury to commerce and law (bearing false witness), the greatest inter-generational obligation (honor to parents), the greatest obligation to community (truthfulness), the greatest injury to moveable property (theft)” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

        “Now here we are anno Domini, with one of their own having converted the world to the one true God, and they are still playing the holier-than-thou game. God sent his only Son, and stubborn as ever, they keep going their own way. In the Year of our Lord, this goes beyond “stiff necked” to inexplicable and probably damnable.”

        This is what you say now. However, for most of the 2000 years since Jesus lived, he was called God. That’s an antithesis to Judaism which doesn’t recognize any God but God – the Almighty Creator of the Universe. Judaism doesn’t recolonize any flesh and blood as God, and it doesn’t recognize any son of god since God is not flesh and blood and he doesn’t have sons or daughters. Instead, we are all his children and He is our father since He created us in his image. This is the extent of it. The Ten Commandments specifically state:

        “You shall have no other gods before me.”
        And
        “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them,”

        Therefore, a human being can’t be God, and God specifically forbade worshiping anyone but Him. That’s why Jews can’t accept Jesus. it specifically goes against The Ten commandments.

        In light of what Jews say and in light of the complications created by The Ten Commandments’ forbidding worshiping anything but God, Christians have changed many aspects of the belief in Jesus. At first, they called him God, later they called him son of god, and after that they called him the messiah. Many congregations now refer to him as the messiah and await his return calling it the rapture. This is all blasphemy against God.

        Of course, this concerns many Christians and many have pushed to cancel The Ten Commandments and the Jews in the process, using “New Covenant Theology”, in an attempt to both legitimize the belief in Jesus (despite what the Ten Commandments say) and free Christians from God’s law which binds them to their elder brothers, the Jews. I suspect Greg Eliot is one of those misguide individuals utilizing this theology. He thinks his ilk has replaced the Jew lol. No one can replace the Jew. Once God makes a promise he doesn’t change his mind like fickle human beings. His word stands forever. Only Christians who misunderstand God’s essence believe that God has replaced the Jews, and all his promises to them are null and void now. This is the thinking of simple-minded imbeciles who don’t understand God.

        “I will not even theorize what God’s purpose still is for them, and I do respect the OT wrath. ”

        You see, you as a Roman Catholic don’t understand God, because you don’t worship God, you worship Jesus. If you want to know how God thinks, you must speak to devout Jews. Jews have worshiped and studied God for 6,000 years. They are an authority on him, as much as human beings can be regarding the Almighty. They will tell you all about him that is known and was taught by Abram and Moses, David and Elijah, and others who have spoken to him either face to face or through other lesser means. They will teach you how to pray to him so that he will listen and oblige. They will teach you the words he taught his people to use when they supplicate to Him – these words He said He will never refuse when used to pray to Him. In short, Jews know more about God than other people, including Christians. Jews have been praying and worshiping Him thousands of years longer than Christians or Muslims, and their religion hasn’t changed since Abraham, 4000 years ago.

        “But the entire world believes in their God now, and it’s still not enough to end their subversive insistence on being separate from the nations. That strikes me as pathological.”

        No, you believe in Jesus; that’s not God. Believing in flesh and blood is blasphemy in Judaisms.

        Jews are separate form other nations because the other nations either replaced God with flesh and Blood (Jesus), or replaced Moses with other false prophets like (Muhammad). What the other nations have done is taken Judaism’s main principles and twisted them to claim they are the new Jews or the new Chosen Ones, as both the Christians and the Muhammadans have been doing for centuries.

        “In their separation, they have become clever but not wise, resourceful but not magnanimous, they have survived but not flourished.”

        They have survived but not flourished because they have been in exile for 2000 years dispersed and hated by the nations, killed and expelled too. Show me another People without a land who have been prosecuted and have suffered so much but still survived? You won’t find such people in any of the annals of human history. It’s simply God’s providence this People have survived 2000 years outside their land wondering and prosecuted among the nations.

        “Being the “chosen people” was not meant to be the superior people, but the idea went to their head from the start! “Chosen” meant a light to the nations, to get the word out about the one true God, not the forever-apart, forever-contemptuous, forever-stiff-necked, forever certain God will bail them out no matter how they renounced him. ”

        True! Here we agree – “chosen” meant a light to the nations, to get the word out about the one true God.” But they have done that, by the way they live and the way they painstakingly keep His commandments for 2000 years. This is why they have received partial salvation when they finally returned to their homeland and formed the modern State of Israel. They are yet to receive total salvation. The reason it’s delayed is because there are many Jews who have shed their forefather faith and have embraced false Gods, false religions, or just refuse to believe in Him and have become atheists. They have become liberal and leftists which is the antithesis of Judaism and God’s commandments. God is now waiting for the lion’s share of the Jewish people to repent in order to receive the complete salvation, as He promised them in the OT.

        It probably makes you angry, but even when they have renounced Him, God still bailed them out. I know you meant renouncing Jesus, but I’m speaking about the Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth. Many times they deserved none of His mercy and yet they have received it in spades, which is why they have survived till this day and been partially restored to their homeland. They are still not totally free of the painful diaspora and they still have many enemies wanting to destroy them, but at least they have some security now. They will become totally free of all their enemies once they completely return to Him and fulfill all His commandments.

        “Jews are still B.C. because they didn’t simply miss but actively, continuously deny The Single Most Obvious Sign God was ever going to give them: his son himself, John 3:16. ”

        Christians must accept that Jews worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, not flesh and blood. God doesn’t have a son. Yet, i still think Jesus deserves respect. He managed to convert all the pagans to Christianity which has borrowed many values form Judaism and that’s a partial fulfillment of the prophesy “light unto the nations.” That’s why i respect and love Christians. Christians have done much good in the world by spreading OT values.

        “Meanwhile, the pagans became Jews en masse, and — by the grace of God and the power of his Mashiach — completed the mission for which the Chosen People were chosen in the first place.”

        The pagans have become somewhat Jewish, but not Jewish enough because they still think God is flesh and blood, or he has a son, or the son is the Messiah. Judaism specifically says God doesn’t have a body or a form, He is energy, and He created the Universe. He is past, present, and future. He is time himself, and timeless – He is not bound by time, or space, or form. God doesn’t procreate either. And the Messiah is the seed of David (not the returning Jesus) and he will come when God sees fit. But at least the pagans have become civilized and that’s a step in the right direction, one step forward to cause God to bring us the Messiah for the benefit of all mankind so they might live in peace. So my friend, the mission is not complete. It will never be complete until God deems it so. The Jew must dwell apart and serve as an example to the nations. His mission is to spread spirituality and the belief in the One Living God, the creator of Heaven and Earth. Not though forced conversion, but through the example he sets.

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      • on July 10, 2013 at 11:22 am Matthew King

        I was under the impression you were Christian, Tony, since you continuously refer to Jëws as “they.” My entire response was predicated on the idea that we shared some notions, which you have now made clear that you do not.

        I don’t want to rehearse the differences between Jëws and Christians. Obviously, as a Christian I reject their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Perhaps not so obvious, however, is that I do not reject God’s law nor any of their theology. Rather, to be a Christian means to understand that the Lord came not to overturn the law but to transfigure it. “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matt 5:17).

        For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (John 1:17).

        My conversion was largely intellectual. Indeed, I don’t know if I could have come to faith without a powerful theological component. The intellectual case for Jesus Christ sustains me through the small hours of the dark night of the soul. I am an unbeliever 99% of my existence. I am anti-fideist.

        I will merely give witness to my discovery that the rabbinical study of God, venerable and true though it may be, does not hold a candle to the Church’s magisterial theology, from the early fathers to Augustine to Aquinas to Newman to Ratzinger to this day. The talmudists may have “studied God for 6,000 years,” but they only studied one third of him — the third that has been completely subsumed into our authoritative theology. There is nothing in the Jëw’s contemplation of the infinite (God the Father Almighty), there is nothing in Moses’s great explication of God’s law, that contradicts the grace and truth of Jesus Christ, try though you may to drive a wedge in there.

        Go to mass on Sunday. You will hear Moses in Deuteronomy (30:12) and Jesus in St. Luke (10:25):

        For this command that I enjoin on you today
        is not too mysterious and remote for you. …
        No, it is something very near to you,
        already in your mouths and in your hearts;
        you have only to carry it out. …

        “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
        Jesus said to him, “What is written in the law?
        How do you read it?”
        He said in reply,
        “You shall love the Lord, your God,
        with all your heart,
        with all your being,
        with all your strength,
        and with all your mind,
        and your neighbor as yourself.
        ”
        He replied to him, “You have answered correctly;
        do this and you will live.”

        This is not a rejection of the law whatsoever. It is an acknowledgment that the law “is something very near to you, already in your mouths and in your hearts.” The law absent the grace and truth of Jesus Christ is the rule by Pharisaical technicalities that even a “Samaritan traveler” recognizes to be not of God.

        The more I read into strictly Jëwish theology, the thinner and more finite it gets. They blindly focus on the invisible rather than the incarnate, all that is seen and unseen. The more I witness the transformative power of the Christ on church theology, the more I realize its infinitude. I am not trying to persuade you of its truth; I am merely testifying to its comparative power. I study the Old Testament as much as the new, but only in light of the New.

        So I won’t niggle with you over irreconcilable exegeses. The entire point of responding to your OT-type warning was to inform you that not all anti-Jëwish positions are gratuitous or without firm basis in theory, philosophy, and theology. I denounce the Jëw not simply because he is a stubborn interloper and civic saboteur in the name of his God, who indeed bails him out despite his sins. I denounce my elder brothers to lift them out of their theological rut. I love them enough to not want them to kill themselves in their rejection of God in all his fulness. But like Pharaoh’s, for some reason God has hardened their hearts.

        This is why they persevere despite the nations’ attempt to eradicate them from the beginning. A covenant is not a contract, the Lord God holds up his Promise to Abraham. But this is also why they are authors of their own demise. Even today they fail to take into account the wrath of God. The secular Jëw has not just rejected God’s only son, he has rejected the Father himself. Everywhere they go, they attempt to construct a Tower of Babel. I am the old testament prophet, who, by the power of Jesus Christ, has been commissioned to warn them of the consequences of their arrogance.

        Matt

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:55 am Tony

        @Matt King

        “But like Pharaoh’s, for some reason God has hardened their hearts.”

        Very interesting point about God hardening hearts. Except, God has hardened the heart of their enemies, to cause the Jews much distress and refuse to let up. Know one thing. Nothing happens in the universe without God’s hand in it – It directs everything, everywhere. The Jews have enemies because without those enemies causing them trouble they forget Him and start following other gods. However, when their enemies oppress them, it’s when they remember their Father in Heaven and pray to Him, and he does “bail them out.” God doesn’t want the Jews to abandon their religion and convert to Christianity. He wants them to dwell apart and set an example to mankind – “Light unto the Nations.” Christianity was for the pagans, a “watered down” Judaism, because Judaism is really very hard to follow and mostly fits only Jews and a few people who have a Jewish-like soul infused with high spirituality. God understands that, which is why he allowed Christianity to flourish despite its blasphemous act of exchanging His dominion with the dominion of a human being (Jesus).

        You say you read the OT, well then, do you remember Balaam Prophesy from Numbers 23:1-10?

        “…8 How shall I curse, whom God has not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD has not defied?
        9 For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: see, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.
        10 Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his! …”

        Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

        9. from the top—literally, “a bare place” on the rocks, to which Balak had taken him, for it was deemed necessary to see the people who were to be devoted to destruction. But that commanding prospect could contribute nothing to the accomplishment of the king’s object, for the destiny of Israel was to be a distinct, peculiar people, separated from the rest of the nations in government, religion, customs, and divine protection (De 33:28). So that although I might be able to gratify your wishes against other people, I can do nothing against them (Ex 19:5; Le 20:24).http://biblehub.com/numbers/23-9.htm

        See, now? This is what God wants for them. This is their destiny. They must dwell apart and set an example to mankind. This is their choseness. It’s too bad some Christians refuse to see this. They disobey God when claiming the Jews refusal to accept Jesus is wrong.

        If you believe God spoken and revealed himself in the OT, how can you Believe everything he said to the Jews is now null and void? This pose much difficulty to people who would like to pretend the OT is null and void. This is exactly why there are people who claim the original Jews don’t exist any longer and the current Jews living today are either Khazars or Palestinians. It’s a convenient escape from reality. For if the Jews don’t exist any longer, then the OT can be made null and void. Most of the OT was about the Jew and for the Jew. The nations of the world were supposed to learn form it God’s will and His values, but not absent the Jews who are supposed to set the example. Thus, as long as the Jew exists and as long as God “bails him out,” those people claiming the Jew no longer exists know they can’t pretend the OT is null and void.

        “The secular Jëw has not just rejected God’s only son, he has rejected the Father himself.”

        True. The secular Jew is the worst curse for the Jew. He indeed has rejected God. He has not kept his end of the deal. This is why God punishes the Jews. But why do you suppose He still protects the Jewish people as a nation? Because there are still many religious devout Jews and their worship of him creates merit for the entire Jewish nation. See, this is how God works. If there are enough people in the world that still do his work, he doesn’t punish all of humanity, or an entire nation. Remember Abraham Begging for Sodom

        “…23And Abraham drew near, and said, Will you also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
        24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: will you also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25That be far from you to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from you: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? …”

        And what did God tell him?

        “…26And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. …

        And Abram continues:

        “27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken on me to speak to the LORD, which am but dust and ashes: …
        28Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: will you destroy all the city for lack of five?”

        And the Lord answers:

        “And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. …”

        This is why God doesn’t destroy the Jewish people – because there are still righteous among them doing his word, despite the secular Jews leaving Him. Christians are wrong if they think the Jews should abandon their religion in favor of Christianity. This will never happen, for if it does it will be the end of humanity. God is not destroying humanity (in spite of the great evil in the world) because the Jews still worship Him and only Him. If they stop, all providence disappears form all nations. This is why the Jews as a nation will never abandon their God. Christians waste much time and energy thinking about how to convert the Jew. It’s all in vain. Instead, Christians should think about how to get closer to God and learn God’s ways from the Jew.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 3:26 am Tony

        @Matt King

        I want to ask you a few questions regarding what you wrote, as you peaked my interest.

        You said:

        “My conversion was largely intellectual. Indeed, I don’t know if I could have come to faith without a powerful theological component. The intellectual case for Jesus Christ sustains me through the small hours of the dark night of the soul. I am an unbeliever 99% of my existence. I am anti-fideist.”

        So you were an unbeliever at some point in your life?
        When did you “intellectually” start to believe?
        I’m curious, you say you’re an unbeliever 99% of the time, so what intellectual reasons caused you to believe in Jesus?

        “I will merely give witness to my discovery that the rabbinical study of God, venerable and true though it may be, does not hold a candle to the Church’s magisterial theology, from the early fathers to Augustine to Aquinas to Newman to Ratzinger to this day. ”

        You say the Jewish way doesn’t hold a candle to the Church’s theology. What exactly is the Church’s theology if not just to believe in Jesus so that you can go to heaven?

        “Go to mass on Sunday. You will hear Moses in Deuteronomy (30:12) and Jesus in St. Luke (10:25):”

        No question about it; you are right. But who taught Jesus? The rabbis and the talmudists. Nothing Jesus quoted wasn’t said before by Moses, the prophets, the rabbis and the talmudists. Sometimes he quoted verbatim from the OT and the Talmud, and sometimes he paraphrased, but either way he wasn’t saying anything new to the Jews which the Jews haven’t heard before or already believed. It might have been news to the pagans, but not to the Jews. Jesus was superfluous for the Jews. In addition, he didn’t give them the signs Moses said they will get from the True Messiah. All Jesus said is to believe in him. Unfortunately, there were many men claiming to be the messiah during Jesus’ time. What makes him more special from all the others that popped up at the time? He succeeded where the others failed because he had very zealot followers who feverishly spread his words (which again are not his but came from Moses and others before Jesus), but of course with God’s blessings, for if God didn’t want Jesus to be successful he wouldn’t have been, as nothing happens in the Heaven above or the Earth bellow without God’s Will. Jesus showed the way to the pagans and that’s why God made him successful. He wasn’t necessary to the Jews. The Jews already worshiped God. In contrast, the pagans were involved in immoral activity and abominations that threatened God’s wrath on the Earth. Jesus helped them abandon those immoral ways and become more moral and civilized.

        We all await God’s next step now, Jew and Gentile alike. The pagans are civilized, the Jews are back in their land, now the Messiah has to return. Christians say it’s Jesus. Jews say he will be from the Seed of David. Let’s wait and see who is right. 🙂

        “The more I witness the transformative power of the Christ on church theology, the more I realize its infinitude. I am not trying to persuade you of its truth; I am merely testifying to its comparative power. ”

        Again, what transformative power exactly? What exactly did Jesus say that wasn’t said before him by the original authors of his speeches? All he added to this is that in order to go to heaven you must believe in him. Where is the power in that? Everyone who wants others to believe in him says he is the only way.

        “I study the Old Testament as much as the new, but only in light of the New.”

        That’s why you largely misunderstand it – as you study it in “light of the New.” The NT colors your judgment. Instead, you must study and focus on each chapter separately; listen to God’s words and actions without the churches theology which came many millennia later. Focus only on God and His words. He is the only true power in the world, and He already revealed Himself to us through Moses’ prophesy. No one that came after Moses who claimed to be the “new” way of God has been accepted by the Jews. It’s not personal against Jesus. It’s just that the Jews will not accept anyone new but God himself, and to Him they await through his Messiah – the Seed of David.

        “I denounce the Jëw not simply because he is a stubborn interloper and civic saboteur in the name of his God, who indeed bails him out despite his sins. ”

        The Christian sins too. If you think the Christian is without sin merely because he believes in Jesus, you are indeed simple-minded. Read the OT, God requires a lot more than that to be considered righteous by Him.

        “This is why they persevere despite the nations’ attempt to eradicate them from the beginning. A covenant is not a contract, the Lord God holds up his Promise to Abraham. ”

        well-said. At first you were astonished as to why God keeps baling them out, now you are beginning to understated His ways.

        “I am the old testament prophet,”

        If only that were true. You must understand the OT a lot more than you do to become that prophet, and omit the churches theology for a while so that you can focus only on God’s words.

        Keep studying. You are good person. God wants His children near Him.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 11:34 am Matthew King

        Tony,

        So you’re Jëwish then? Playing coy with your religious identity is not helpful to understanding you, as that is where our disagreement generally resides.

        God doesn’t want the Jëws to abandon their religion and convert to Christianity. He wants them to dwell apart and set an example to mankind – “Light unto the Nations.” Christianity was for the pagans, a “watered down” Judaism, because Judaism is really very hard to follow and mostly fits only Jëws and a few people who have a Jëwish-like soul infused with high spirituality.

        And how is that working out for the Chosen People?

        Apart from Christianity, the Jëws have hid their “light unto the nations,” and rather arrogantly at that, as you demonstrate above.

        <blockquote"Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

        "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.

        "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."

        — Matthew 5:15-18This is where the stiff neck comes in. No law was overturned, much less “watered-down”! It was expanded to include every human soul, not just the autistic scripture-obsessed Pharisees.

        The arrogance which accompanies the idea that salvation is “really hard to follow” and only for elite legal minds is the arrogance that creates enemies rather than converts to the one true God. You are quick to call me a blasphemer, but the idea that the Lord does not desire all men to be saved, this godless denial of his infinite love, is perhaps the greatest blasphemy of all.

        The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

        — 2 Peter 3:9

        The Universal Salvific Will is not watered down anything. The Lord gave this task to his People, and his People turned in on themselves, the ultimate incurvatus in se. Your preposterous elitism is the very Jëwish arrogance I was talking about when I said their “chosenness” went to their head.

        A soteriology that does not include all “of these little ones” (Mt 18:14) describes a salvation unworthy, and indeed insulting to, the Author of the universe.

        God understands that, which is why he allowed Christianity to flourish despite its blasphemous act of exchanging His dominion with the dominion of a human being (Jesus).

        God allows rank blasphemy to spread and keep growing to a full third of the world’s population, bringing “life, and abundantly” to every square inch of earth it touches?

        You are fighting the last war, you are trapped in the past like all of history’s losers. Cf. Muslims still obsessing over the loss of “Al-Andalus” half a millennium ago.

        See, now? This is what God wants for them. This is their destiny. They must dwell apart and set an example to mankind. This is their choseness. It’s too bad some Christians refuse to see this. They disobey God when claiming the Jëws refusal to accept Jesus is wrong.

        As I said more than once above, assertion against assertion about the true nature of God will go nowhere. No kidding it’s “too bad” you don’t accept Jesus as Lord and God made flesh.

        If you believe God spoken and revealed himself in the OT, how can you Believe everything he said to the Jëws is now null and void? This pose much difficulty to people who would like to pretend the OT is null and void.

        Once more, return to the quote above: “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.” You are consistently mischaracterizing your opponent, which is another Jëwish quality in your religion’s bill of particulars.

        The secular Jëw is the worst curse for the Jëw. He indeed has rejected God. He has not kept his end of the deal. This is why God punishes the Jëws.

        Who do you think I and the anti-Semite are primarily talking about? If you acted as a faithful nation rather than a dispersed network of godless infiltrating elements, we would be able to pursue ecumenism rather than purging.

        Now that you understand why God punishes your people, might you consider that we who bear the Chi-Rho and the Cross are the righteous instruments of his righteous punishment? We are the Body of Christ. “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord” (Rom 12:19 following Deut 32:35). No, we do not eradicate you, as you seem to believe Christian doctrine requires. We turn away your pernicious influence and sabotage, which is a consequence of your misunderstood and misapplied Chosen People doctrine.

        So you were an unbeliever at some point in your life? When did you “intellectually” start to believe? I’m curious, you say you’re an unbeliever 99% of the time, so what intellectual reasons caused you to believe in Jesus?

        I strayed from my childhood faith and returned. I was never so intellectually dull to be an atheist. I did, however, live contrary to the life of Christ and his church.

        I discovered the case for the Triune God in Ss. Augustine, Anselm, and Thomas Aquinas, and C.S. Lewis — which, it will surprise you to learn, was largely denied me by Jëwish teachers at a Catholic school. Oddly enough, the proof came to crystalization in the Protestant theologian Paul Tillich’s History of Christian Thought, against which I developed my own intellectual case for the Magisterium. Since then, I have become a disciple of Father Robert Barron, a popularizer who speaks the truth in plain language.

        I can rehearse the intellectual case, but not better than they, so I recommend you go to them (see Barron’s links provided below, for a taste). On the other hand, I brought to their works a deep classical education which allowed me to understand, as Tillich put it, the kairos of Christ’s resurrection. Since then, the wellspring of Christian theology has been gushing, stronger with every year.

        Nothing Jesus quoted wasn’t said before by Moses, the prophets, the rabbis and the talmudists.

        I don’t know where to begin dismantling this abject nonsense.

        Sometimes he quoted verbatim from the OT and the Talmud, and sometimes he paraphrased…

        And yet you claim Jëw converting to Christianity constitutes an “abandon[ment of] their religion.” Christianity is Judaism, expanded and fulfilled. We are Israel. Ours is the living God. You are the stiff-necks with a fatal case of millennia-old nostalgia. You believe the one true God belongs to you because he originally chose you to be his salesman. Is there a greater transgression of the first commandment than this?

        “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deut 6:4), and the new Israel has indeed heard. If he is indeed one LORD, sovereign over all men and all creation, what impossible arrogance it is for you to keep him from humanity with your claims that, for former pagans like me, he is too “hard to follow and mostly fits only Jëws and a few people who have a Jëwish-like soul”? Really, how dare you?

        Jesus was superfluous for the Jëws. In addition, he didn’t give them the signs Moses said they will get from the True Messiah. All Jesus said is to believe in him. Unfortunately, there were many men claiming to be the messiah during Jesus’ time.

        I am not going to litigate the case for Jesus as the Christ, but I will take note of this paragraph as all the motivation I need to call condemnation on you and your people. If you truly sought ecumenism rather than subversiveness, you would not offer, much less elaborate breezily upon, the most provocative fighting words you could ever utter to a Christian. “Jesus was superfluous…” God have mercy on you.

        I will not comment on your elaboration, I will simply delete it. Take that as an act of forbearance and charity.

        The Jëws already worshiped God. In contrast, the pagans were involved in immoral activity and abominations that threatened God’s wrath on the Earth. Jesus helped them abandon those immoral ways and become more moral and civilized.

        The Jëws improperly worshiped God, as the Old Testament testifies in abundance. This idea that he sent his only son for only the pagans is more of your damnable chosenness putrified into divine exceptionalism.

        See, the proper position before God is David, kneeling in humility and begging forgiveness. Not the assumption that you “already worship God” and therefore require no salvation from your own brand of “immoral activity and abomination[] that threaten[s] God’s wrath on the Earth.” Again, the arrogance! The superbia! The acedia!

        Again, what transformative power exactly? What exactly did Jesus say that wasn’t said before him by the original authors of his speeches? All he added to this is that in order to go to heaven you must believe in him. Where is the power in that? Everyone who wants others to believe in him says he is the only way.You fool. You liberal. Christ’s teachings are all for naught outside of his Passion, Death, and Resurrection.

        “But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.” — Cor 15:14

        It wasn’t what he said. Yes, much of it was a recapitulation to a stubborn people who had blocked up their ears for centuries. It was what he did that makes all the difference. He gathered all evil to his Cross, the intersection of the universe, even brought the last enemy, death, upon himself, and rose from the grave, triumphant and transfigured.

        Now you can chortle along with your allied secularists, your Jëws who have abandoned their role, and who choose to disbelieve. The freedom to disbelieve itself is a gift from God, a share in his divinity. But the Lord’s resurrection is the linchpin, the impossible made possible by a God with whom “all things are possible.”

        I have come to believe, and I am here to give the witness of my life, which has been one continuous reward since. “Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.” For, “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe” (John 20:29).

        So proofs and theories will not budge me from the truth, much less assertion or ridicule. Jëws are funny little schlemiels, sarcastic cacklers in their small-minded assumption of invincibility. But I am certain, by the witness of our (and your) Lord Jesus Christ, who will have the last laugh.

        No one that came after Moses who claimed to be the “new” way of God has been accepted by the Jëws. It’s not personal against Jesus. It’s just that the Jëws will not accept anyone new but God himself, and to Him they await through his Messiah – the Seed of David.

        Lucky that Jesus Christ is God himself. And he is the Seed of David — refer to the genealogies opening the Gospels according to St. Matthew and St. Luke. Where else do you hope to reconstruct this lineage three millennia later? Through Israeli post-diaspora genealogies?

        Judas Iscariot made himself an enemy of God through precisely your stubbornness, your willful refusal to see the Messiah through the eyes of God rather than the eyes of man. Your expectations were Judas’s — a worldly hero-conqueror fighting with the puny weapons of Caesar — and so you betray The Son of Man with a kiss.

        Christ’s dominion is not supposed to be obvious or in-your-face. It is meant to be the acid test of faith.

        If you seek evidence of the triumph of Jesus Christ, look around you. The world was transformed in his name. The seat of the empire which murdered him was brought to ruin, and upon that rubble Christ built his universal church. As they said of Christopher Wren, “Si monumentum requiris, circumspice.” There is no dearth of evidence, and yet there cannot ever be enough evidence for those looking in the wrong direction.

        Watch the entire soteriological “theodrama” to understand my intellectual reversion.




        The Christian sins too. If you think the Christian is without sin merely because he believes in Jesus, you are indeed simple-minded. Read the OT, God requires a lot more than that to be considered righteous by Him.

        What? Acknowledgment of our sins — mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa — is at the heart of the Christian life. I count myself the foremost of sinners. We are all sinners. Have you never seen a single minute of any televangelist?

        At first you were astonished as to why God keeps baling them out, now you are beginning to understated His ways.

        I was at no point “astonished as to why God keeps bailing [you] out.”

        If only that were true. You must understand the OT a lot more than you do to become that prophet, and omit the church[‘]s theology for a while so that you can focus only on God’s words.

        I am priest, prophet, and king by virtue of our Lord’s sacrifice and my faith in him.

        Keep studying. You are good person. God wants His children near Him.

        See, I will not be talked down to by a retrograde spiritual predecessor who has survived into the modern age through God’s infinite patience, even with this last-minute perfunctory gesture of good will. I will not accept your pat on my head.

        We are indeed brothers in our acknowledgment of the one true God. But that’s where the similarities end. From that acknowledgment I derive humility whereas you derive personal and national pride above the LORD himself.

        And “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall” (Prov 16:18).

        God is not mocked.

        So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

        — Isaiah 55:11

        You would do better to understand when you are being righteously rebuked. But you and your race has developed a propensity to slither out of culpability through casuistry rather than throwing oneself upon the mercy of the Lord, as your king David did (Psalm 51). We Christians, by the example of our Lord Christ, understood the folly of such defiance from the beginning, and an entirely different tradition emerged from this ordered, modest approach than the tradition of self-persecution which still comes from your congenital disobedience.

        Matt

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 4:41 am Tony

        “The arrogance which accompanies the idea that salvation is “really hard to follow” and only for elite legal minds is the arrogance that creates enemies rather than converts to the one true God.”

        First, I didn’t speak of salvation.  That’s a Christian concept.  Judaism (as stated by God) says you have to be a good person to be rewarded in this life (material) and the next (spiritual).  Sometimes, we don’t see the reward in this life (as this life is imperfect), but we’re promised to see it in the next.  The reward in the next life is that you get to sit close to God.  The better human being you are, the closer is your spot in the heavens to God, His angels, and His heavenly host.  Evil people go to hell (sometimes for centuries or longer) to fix their souls before they receive any reward, however small.  Sometimes they must stay in hell forever. However, nowhere in Judaism it says you must believe in such and such person to be saved, only that you have to be good to be loved by God (yes, He’s a judgmental God and He removes His divine countenance of thee if you sin).  For Jews, they also have to worship God and follow the commandments besides being good. For gentiles, they have to keep at least The Seven Noahide Laws, but the Ten Commandments are even better for gentiles to adhere to, starting with The First commandment – “You shall have no other gods before me.” Thus, the belief in Jesus who is not God is offensive.

        Please read the following article – you will understand much more of the responsibility of the gentile after reading it.  The comments are interesting too. 
        http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm
        (BTW, they use G-d for God out of respect to Him, as in Judaism you are not allowed to use His name lightly or in vain.  It usually only refers to God in the Hebrew language, but many also use it when writing God in other languages. This is How much Jews respect God).

        Second, I didn’t say salvation is only for elite legal minds. First, I was speaking about Judaism, not   salvation, and second  I said it’s hard to follow Judaism unless one has a Jewish-like soul that is highly spiritual, as Jews have been trained in spirituality and studying God’s ways for thousands of years.  Thus, Judaism is not for everyone.  This is why it’s very hard to convert to Judaism.  One is accepted only after he can demonstrate he has no ulterior motive other than a true love for God (the Creator), and His law.  What’s more, unlike Christianity which says you have to believe in Jesus to be saved, Judaism never said you have to be Jewish to be saved or be loved by God or go to heaven.  You only have to do two things: 1) you must believe in Him as God, the Master and the Creator and no other, and 2) you must be a good person and not sin against others.  Usually keeping the 7 Noahide Laws or the 10 Commandments is sufficient for non Jews.  For Jews they have to follow everything Moses taught them (the entire Law, not just the 10 Commandments).  Therefore, if anything, Judaism is a lot less elitist than Christianity.  Indeed Judaism is more selective than Christianity when it comes to conversion, but it doesn’t tell people they can’t be saved or find God’s love unless they become Jews.  No one has a right to speak for God, and He already declared what He wanted of mankind – He wants people to believe in Him as well as be good to others. He never said you have to be Jewish.   

        Third, regarding it creating “enemies rather than converts to the one true God,” is exactly how church leaders thought originally, which is why they changed God’s law soon after Christianity began.  They understood it’s hard to follow Judaism and in order to attract more converts to their new religion they watered down Judaism to make it a lot more acceptable to the pagans who wanted a religion to resemble their idol worshiping much more than to Judaism and its worshiping of an invisible God.  This is also why Jesus was declared God by the church – so that the pagans can relate to God better than an invisible  entity. Therefore, for the Jews this is not about creating friends and believers, but about sticking for what’s right.  What good is having lots of believers if they don’t believe in the real God?     

        “You are quick to call me a blasphemer, but the idea that the Lord does not desire all men to be saved, this godless denial of his infinite love, is perhaps the greatest blasphemy of all.”

        God’s love is indeed infinite, as He is infinite.  But, this is not about infinite love that is bestowed undeservedly by God. God is also judgmental.  He judges all of us, and He punishes when we sin – jew and gentile alike.  He wants us all to believe in Him, not because He really needs us to, but because he knows that if we do we’ll fear his judgment and retribution, and behave – do only good and right, as opposed to doing evil.  Doing good is what He wants of mankind.  When mankind sins God is very upset, similar to a parent whose child isn’t doing the right thing and he sees the child deteriorating and spiritually withering before his eyes.  This causes much pain to the parent. This is how God feels when His creations do evil. He feels pain.

        Genesis 6:5-7

        5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.
        6 And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
        7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for I am sorry that I have made them.”

        I realize Christians think that Jesus came to fix what mankind spoiled.  But that’s wrong thinking.  The mere belief in Jesus is not enough to fix this wrong, and thus grant salvation to mankind.  Even the belief in Moses isn’t enough.  No human being can take the place of each of us doing God’s Will, which is to either keep all of His commandments, or at least keep the Ten commandments or the 7 Noahide laws (if you’re a gentile).  Saying belief in Jesus will save you is Church speak.  It’s not rooted in anything that God ever said.  That’s where the blasphemy is. 

        ” Your preposterous elitism is the very Jëwish arrogance I was talking about when I said their “chosenness” went to their head.”

        You only read what you want to read in my words.  I specifically said their chosenness is not that they are better than anyone else, only that they must live apart and set an example to the rest of humanity in worshiping the Creator of the Universe, who is Not Jesus. When the gentiles learn from them (as they have to some degree already), it’s how mankind’s sins will be overturned – by each of the people on earth living according to God’s law. On the contrary, believing Jesus is the one who must be worshiped, is the epitome of arrogance, and indeed blasphemous.  Who the hell is Jesus, if not flesh and blood created by God, the Creator?  Even Jesus himself never claimed to be God.  Making him God was the work of the church, and is another way the church changed Judaism, as I stated before.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 4:45 am Tony

        “Who do you think I and the anti-Semite are primarily talking about? If you acted as a faithful nation rather than a dispersed network of godless infiltrating elements, we would be able to pursue ecumenism rather than purging.”

        Don’t be ridiculous.  You’re merely trying to justify your “godless” behavior.   No one made you Judge, jury, and executioner over anyone.  It’s God’s world, and if you have ever succeeded in hurting the Jew – past, present, or future – it’s because God used you as a temporary STICK against the Jew to bring his heart back to his God.  If you don’t know this, you are ignorant of the OT despite saying you have studied it.  God specifically states in the OT that He will use the other nations to punish the Jews if they sin.  But He also stated that He will punish the punishers too.  Thus, you guys are but a tool in His hand, and it’s best for you to be a bit more modest about your perceived righteousness.  And if you think I’m joking, then remember all the nations that came against the Jews throughout history, they no longer exist, while the Jews survive and God “bailes them out” much to your chagrin.  And, this brings us back to America.  America has flourished like no other nation on earth because of two things:
        1) It is the only gentile nation to adopt the 7 Noahide Laws and the 10 Commandments almost in their entirety.  The adoption of these laws caused God to bless America.
        2)  America never systematically persecuted the Jew.  In fact, many times America protected Jews.  It’s why God protected America.

        Genesis 12:1-3

        1 Now the LORD had said to Abram, Get you out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you:
        2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing:
        3 And I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you: and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.

        “Now that you understand why God punishes your people,”

        But he punishes your people too, you just can’t see it because you don’t have a self-evaluating soul like the Jew has.  Start paying attention to the news and to politics, and you’ll see God’s Hand in it.  If you think Obama is not your punishment, you can’t see the truth clearly.  Obama will bring the downfall of America. The reason God’s divine protection is beginning to lift off America is because America has started to remove OT values like the 10 Commandments from its public domain, and anti-Semites like you are constantly preaching against the Jews.

        “We turn away your pernicious influence and sabotage, which is a consequence of your misunderstood and misapplied Chosen People doctrine.”

        You seem to be greatly jealous of the Jews and their chosenness.  You don’t even hide your jealousy.  You bitterly keep referring to it as an elitist doctrine, “misunderstood and misapplied,” even after I explained  that it doesn’t make gentiles any less important and special, only that it means the Jews have to set an example to the rest of humanity and stick to this hard task or be punished. 
         
        Really Matt, at least try to make your jealousy less noticeable.  In addition, anyone can become Jewish.  Judaism, while exclusive and has high standards, is still open to all who want to convert.  It’s only hard to convert, not impossible. One has to prove no ulterior motive is at play for the conversion.  Unlike most other religions that force or actively go looking for converts, Judaism wants one to convert purely out of their own volition, clean of any ulterior motives and catalysts.  

        “Christianity is Judaism, expanded and fulfilled. We are Israel.”

        LOL, more proof Christians are jealous of the Jews. This is why they try so hard to claim they are Israel and/or have replaced the Jews.  Again, without any authority from God, just church doctrine.   News.  No one can replace the Jews.  What God has ordained, no one can break.  Not Jesus, the church, or their followers.

        “Ours is the living God.”

        He is our living God (and yours too, as well as of every creature in creation).  But you don’t recognize Him as your God.  You recognize only Jesus, not God. 

        “You believe the one true God belongs to you because he originally chose you to be his salesman. Is there a greater transgression of the first commandment than this?”

        That’s how you understand it, and you’re wrong.  Jews never claim God belongs only to them.  They call God the Creator.  This means he created all of us and he is our God – jew and gentile.  But Jews do recognize only they agreed to receive The Torah (The Law), while all the other nations said ‘thanks but no thanks – we don’t like or need morality’.  That’s why the Jews are special, as they promised to stick to The Law and be chosen.  Like most gentiles, you’re envious you’re not the origins of The Law, and your religion is not the basis on which all other religions are based.  It’s precisely this envy that causes you to be resentful of the Jews and their greatness, and it’s why you say “[they] are the stiff-necks with a fatal case of millennia-old nostalgia.”   Oh, how mistaken you are.  God has a way for straightening out the wayward, which is what Christians are.     

                    
        “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deut 6:4), and the new Israel has indeed heard. If he is indeed one LORD, sovereign over all men and all creation, what impossible arrogance it is for you to keep him from humanity with your claims that, for former pagans like me, he is too “hard to follow and mostly fits only Jëws and a few people who have a Jëwish-like soul”? Really, how dare you?”

        Matt, your outrage would be correct and befitting if you really wanted to worship God.  But you don’t want to worship Him.  You worship Jesus, who’s not God.  Therefore, what I said about you and your paganism is correct.  God is too spiritual for you to follow Him.  You don’t understand Him or His ways.  You even refuse to study his declarations, edicts, mandates, promises, and covenants, while you read church literature, as if it is God’s direct word.  That’s why you follow a cheap imitation created by the church.  God spoke in the OT.  He told us who He is.  Jesus isn’t him.

        “The Jëws improperly worshiped God, as the Old Testament testifies in abundance. This idea that he sent his only son for only the pagans is more of your damnable chosenness putrified into divine exceptionalism.”

        Please, stop making false arguments. The sin of the Jews wasn’t that they worshiped God improperly. It’s that they started worshiping other gods. Likewise, worshiping Jesus is not acceptable. God doesn’t want worshiping Jesus instead of Him.

        In any case, I didn’t say Jesus is God’s only son.  I said God doesn’t have sons or daughters.  He’s not flesh and blood.  He doesn’t have a form and he isn’t bound by time.  He is the creator of everything on earth and the heaven above.  Jews worship God, the way He wants them to.  Christians misunderstand God and His will, or His ways.  This is why they came up with the preposterous idea of Jesus.  

        Furthermore, I said that because God knows wiled European pagans cannot or will not follow Judaism, as it’s very foreign to the way pagans think, God allowed Christianity to flourish to at least give them some Jewish values.  After all, a little bit of morality is better than nothing.  There are some civilizing effects of Judaism in Christianity so it has been TOLERATED by Him.  But if we pay attention to all His declarations and decrees as stated by the prophets in the OT, we can see that even His toleration of Christianity will come to a close, and He will begin to eradicate it too like He did all other religions that didn’t clearly state that He is the Master of the Universe and the only God and Creator of everything.  So, don’t let the fact He has been tolerating you go to your head and start thinking you have replaced the Jews and have become the new Israel.  You haven’t.  No one has replaced the Jews and all the Jews will return to their God eventually like they have done in generations past.  We can see proof of this in the fact the Jews have been partially restored to their former greatness by returning back in their land.  The transformation is not complete yet, but soon it will – maybe in a few decades.  After all, according to Jewish calculations we are in the end of the 5th  millennium.  As you know, the Messiah must return before we enter the 6th.  Between the 6th and the 7th there will be a 1000 years of pure peace – the reign of the Messiah.   

        “If you seek evidence of the triumph of Jesus Christ, look around you. The world was transformed in his name. The seat of the empire which murdered him was brought to ruin, and upon that rubble Christ built his universal church. “

        As I said above, this is just temporary. God is only tolerating you for now, because your way of life is better than paganism, but it’s not better than Judaism. Therefore, don’t let this apparent power of Christianity fool you. God will destroy all the splendor of the church, just as he destroyed all the splendor of Greece and Rome. He will tolerate no other gods before Him but Him.

        Psalm 20:7 Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God.

        “See, I will not be talked down to by a retrograde spiritual predecessor who has survived into the modern age through God’s infinite patience, even with this last-minute perfunctory gesture of good will. I will not accept your pat on my head. “ 

        “a retrograde spiritual predecessor “ lol, you really think your brand of pagan spirituality is superior to the Jewish one? Matt, as a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a pagan, or as anything else, you will never come close to true spirituality. Only as an orthodox Jew or a gentile who has accepted the 7 Noahide Laws or the 10 Commandments in their entirety will you practice true spirituality. Everything else is a cheap imitation of the original.

        Anyway, I wasn’t taking down at you. I do believe you have something in you that’s different from other people. It needs to be cultivated, though. You need to do more searching and more studying. You need to study the OT much more. You seem to be reading OT verses and applying them to Jesus, as if he is mentioned in the OT for real. He’s not referenced in the OT, and you need to stop looking for “clues” for his acknowledgment like the church often does in order to justify belief in Jesus instead of God.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:24 pm Matthew King

        Why do you not — not even a single time — refer to your own religion? Instead you only refer to it obliquely:

        You worship Jesus, who’s not God.

        No kidding you think this way and I do not. This is the field of weeds I did not want to stumble into.

        I wanted to talk about the faits accomplis. I wanted to talk about the 2.1 billion (31.59%) versus the 14 million (0.22%). I wanted you to understand through sheer preponderance the risibility of your inert religion claiming to be a “light to the nations,” when we have been actually enlightening every corner of the world for twenty centuries with astonishing effectiveness.

        You want to niggle about ancient theosophic inconsistencies while I am saying, “Circumspice!” — as though your insistence in the face of reality are incantations that will either change reality or make me forget it. You play Elijah calling wrath down upon the Baalites, but without the fireworks, while my Lord and my God has rebuked such piddly weapons of the world (Luke 9:54-55), demonstrated their impotence, and conquered with “the whole armor of God.”

        Your threats are empty. Ours are as plain as the language you (and the world) is speaking. Or the “C.E.” by which you (and the world) take your annual cue. This thread was about how might we reconcile Judaism’s survival with its patent ineffectiveness to spread the news of the Lord. Your answer is to deal in obscure, casuist rationalizations which are not just predictable but also uninteresting and beside the point. You want me to be envious of top hats and braided sideburns, of nasty food and nasty people, of a hate-filled and resentful people, of proudly defiant monomaniacs stuck in a scripture that ceased bearing fruit two millennia ago.

        You ignore your people’s ugliness because you have theologically determined it impossible for you to be ugly. You have refashioned the One True God after your own image and made him ugly as well. You think it your special prerogative to deny the hard facts of your circumstances vis-à-vis 99.78% of the world.

        I wanted to carry on a discussion with you about this scripture-negating inconsistency, and the best you can do is repeatedly trot out that Jesus is not God, and that the last two millennia of silence is just the Lord in an Almighty Snit, the biggest divine shit-test yet visited on your stiff-necked people. This is the obduracy I was talking about, the idea that you do not have to engage in reality because you are privileged to a higher understanding than what our senses register and what the grand, ongoing, Christian project of knowledge has revealed.

        Yours is not a discussion. Yours is insensate preaching. And, trust me, as an abiding Christian who knows Hebrew scripture better than most who go by the name “Hebrew,” I’ve heard your shpil before. What a disappointment considering your impressive claims at the top of this subthread.

        Yours Eternally in Christ,
        Matt

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 11:07 am Matthew King

        Whoops. I accidentally spelled out J e w, so my response will be in moderation till Monday. Queer.

        In any event, I love Tony’s warning in the language of OT wrath, it comports very much with my philosemitism.

        But Tony leaves out the very lesson of the Old Testament!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:17 am Truth is Beauty

        Why do keep posting videos of this ridiculous Jew? Regardless of whether his message is truthful or not, what sort of audience do you think he appeals to with this sickening kosher mockery of Christianity?

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 11:32 am embracingourfemininity

        white and nerdy. oh my gosh i cant stop laughing

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:19 pm dlulz

        I PROPOSE A NEW GAME CHALLENGE: WHOEVER SIRES THE MOST OFFSPRING WINS.

        Get breeding or die trying.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:32 am Zombie Shane

        > “WHOEVER SIRES THE MOST OFFSPRING WINS.”

        Gee, now there’s a novel idea.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:09 am Kate

        But who is going to author this great American novel?

        [CH: Those who can’t read.]

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:59 pm Kate

        lol That’s the entertainment I’m talking about! Now you just let me know when you want to get some mud on your shoes with people who don’t mind getting rained on. You can come up for a little holiday. Maybe Mark and I will build a little guest house and have manospherians of the month drop by to tell of the news of the outside world or find a quiet haven to write their books. Bring a girl! Young ones are best fit for pushing you round in your wheelchairs as you age 😉

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 11:14 am Matthew King

        Isn’t it a little early in the relationship to start talking trash to the (male and female) spinsters?

        Humility is gorgeous.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 12:04 pm Kate

        Are you talking to me? Who is talking trash? You want humility? Ask for the comment I left on Father’s Day to be uncensored. You don’t have the whole picture.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm Kate

        I wish- you could be happy for me. But I understand if you can’t. You guys have meant so much to me. Made me laugh! Taught me so much! Like a family. I would not be who I am today without the people I have met here. And I don’t say that lightly. Its not easy to let go. Its not easy for anyone to find someone these days. But for someone to want me, in my situation. Do you know what a blessing that is? I would love to think I left friends here hoping the best for me. I will never forget the good times.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 11:55 am Matthew King

        Who says we’re not happy for you? Count me as one ecstatic for my sister — if her reports are true and not just the credulous product of wishful thinking that often appear in the early daze of the beginning of a relationship. You quite explicitly have not provided details, which is a warning sign.

        Or it’s not. In which case, God bless and keep you in his continued abundance.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 12:27 pm Kate

        Details. Like what? The hue of tantra chair we’ll be purchasing? Well, I can’t reveal that as we haven’t decided yet. (My love of furniture has soared to new levels.) Of course I’m not sharing details. Those are private and there is such a thing as discretion. I can tell you I am the happiest I have ever been and have never met anyone who can handle me the way he does. And that is saying something as I can be a bit of a handful. I’m sure you’ve never noticed that about me, but its true.

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      • on July 9, 2013 at 8:41 am Anonymous

        Wow! Matt has lost another one of his lovely e-harem to marriage. They are dropping like feathers. lol

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 9:33 am Southern Man

      Yep. I live in one of the reddest counties (rural) in THE reddest state in the Union. We’ll cling to our guns and religion until the bitter end.

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      • on July 7, 2013 at 4:10 am Arred Wade

        What state is that, Southern Man? I read your blog years ago when you were building a cabin but can’t remember where it was.

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  2. on July 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm van der Merwe

    America is the last best White Man’s country.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 12:56 am Alex

      What?

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  3. on July 2, 2013 at 12:46 pm yup

    How the Dutch might view the Greeks? Have you ever been to the Netherlands? Some of the fattest people in Europe…

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 12:57 pm Caramba

      Uneducated Dutch think greeks are lazy and live on european money.
      Educated Dutch realize that the economy is more complicated that this and view greeks as nothing special.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:00 am Digger Nick

        Actually, Educated dutch think the jews ran a number on the greeks. That the rothschilds are now hired to ‘repair’ their economy and that their gold reserves will soon be in the Jew’s shekel-grubbing hands. The educated dutch also realize that greeks have inferior turk genes however. But they realize that all and every resistance against the jews is neccasary, and alliances must be made to rid ourselves of the Jewish menace.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:14 am Anonymous

        Yes I’m sure the ‘educated’ Dutch or any other learned people of a Northern European nation just loves the idea of going to work and being fiscally conservative so they can carry a financially and morally bankrupt nation like Greece on their back.

        Perhaps the Greeks should rack up more public debt, avoid paying taxes and go and strike more in order to give Northern Europeans more opportunity to become ‘educated’?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:05 pm Southern Man

        I find it difficult to get too worked up over the financial woes of a country with the GDP of greater Boston.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 5:02 am Cad and Bounder

        Southern Man, it is what they represent that is the real problem. The idea that there is a ‘system’ in which you can game money and resources from others who are being sold the idea that you are violating their ‘rights’ by not tolerating this bullshit.

        Sound familiar?

        The French voted for Hollande. Meanwhile the US election was between those who knew they would be forced to pay of the debt in future and, those who had no intent/expectation to do so and wanted Obama to continue his project of creating a dependency culture for them to take advantage of.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:17 pm corvinus

      Many continental Europeans don’t even much care for Americans, and view them as a distinct white ethnicity, loud, boisterous, ill-kempt, fat (guilty as charged) and uncouth, like the Dutch might view the Greeks.

      Actually, except for the fat bit, that seems to be more or less the standard view of Brits more than Americans. Europeans don’t generally run into Americans too much, and they’re more neutral about us than one might expect.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:59 am Alex

        True!
        source: i’m European

        Though most of us dislike the politics of your country, but when meeting face to face with Americans it has no effect.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 7:44 pm corvinus

        Thanks Alex! My own conclusion was drawn from when I went to Kiev and met a wide selection of Europeans from all over the continent.

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  4. on July 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm Backdoor Man

    Libertarians have been talking about settling in New Hampshire for decades. It hasn’t happened.

    [CH: Hasn’t Vermont been overrun with filthy New Yorkers over the last twenty years?]

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:33 pm late late late bloomer

      the new hampshire thing was demolished by the lefties abandoning the hellhole of massachusetts. they of course bring their liberal voting patterns that destroyed the last place they were in, they don’t see any pattern at all, just new frontiers of fairness. same thing happening in arizona from california.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:01 pm Rick Derris

        >>same thing happening in arizona from california.

        Same thing also happening in TX.

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      • on July 7, 2013 at 4:26 am Ben Gurion

        When you meet someone from California, just tell them straight up to start voting as a Texan or leave because voting like a Californian is what ruined it in the first place..

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm Dreamer

        Your argument is partially mistaken. Massachusetts people are moving to NH and it seems to be affecting voting paterns, but they aren’t abandoning MA (well completely) because it’s a hellhole (unless you mean just a tax hellhole). Most keep their home right on the border and do the 20-60 minute travel to their jobs, social life, and food. Enjoy the likable things in MA, but shop and sleep in NH to avoid all income and sale tax.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:42 pm Moses

      [CH: Hasn’t Vermont been overrun with filthy New Yorkers over the last twenty years?]

      Yes.

      I grew up in Vermont and my folks still live there. Back in the day Vermonters were the real self-reliant, small government Yankees that New England used to be famous for. That’s changed.

      In the 70s flatlanders (a pejorative term for big city folk from Boston and NYC) started moving in and brought their corrosive liberal politics.

      Now Vermont is high-tax, high-regulation and very unfriendly to business. Young people leave because they can’t find jobs. The median age is skyrocketing. The ultra-liberal state legislature is taxing everything in sight. Indigent layabouts move to Vermont to exploit the generous welfare benefits. The city of Burlington tolerates filthy, aggressive panhandlers who scare away shoppers and citizens.

      On the plus side, no economic growth means the environment there remains pristine for flatlanders and their ski-chalets.

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  5. on July 2, 2013 at 12:51 pm Caramba

    Ch,you are loosing credibilty here.This post is pure madness.
    When a blogger shows signs of madness the readers disappear.I stopped reading Roosh when I realized that he has serious underlying issues and not really that intelligent.

    Don’t disappoint me too.

    ps:What is that spooky siberian blood the russians have according to you?Siberians in russia are not called russians,they are called respectively.

    [CH: Gabba gabba hey! Is a guy not allowed to free wheel it once in a while?]

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm worldclassic

      Free wheel it, sure — use his high-traffic game-oriented blog to push his radical political views? somewhat questionable. besides, you’d do better to let your observations on evo psych between the sexes and your blogroll speak for themselves

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:05 pm Canadian Friend

        Wanting the white race to not go extinct is radical?

        Wanting Western Civilization to survive and thrive is radical?

        Not wanting our cities to turn into Detroit is radical?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:52 pm worldclassic

        just typed up a reply and lost it. I’ll try to retrace my steps

        >Wanting the white race to not go extinct is radical?

        assuming you’re simply out of touch and not being an idiot, yes, in this political climate that is a very radical stance to take. being whiter than bread myself (my lineage traces back to the Mayflower) and being tangentially interested in issues of HBD and evolutionary psychology, I more or less understand both sides of the issue, but I don’t really care either way. perhaps in the future all races will mix and humans will operate with a newfound homogeneity. however, the question is then whether or not humans will agree upon another distinction to separate groups … after all, no amount of mixing will bring the continents back together. this is the only rational argument against race mixing that I can imagine; that as humans our sense of “other” is so deeply ingrained that it is not only preferable but also necessary to operate as distinct groups, growing both philosophically and physiologically at our own paces and in our own ways.

        I’ve read some Sailer posts and occasionally browse VDARE and AmRen, but none have managed to entirely convince me of the superiority of whites. perhaps we score higher on IQ tests and are objectively less of a nuisance to society, but is that really reason enough to get all riled up about it?

        >Wanting Western Civilization to survive and thrive is radical? Not wanting our cities to turn into Detroit is radical?

        classic strawman.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:06 am Digger Nick

        If everyone race-mixes the average IQ of the most intelligent will be dragged down. It will be a mediocre hellhole.

        Now, if all races mix, due to evolution, genetic strata of people with differing qualities adapted to their environment would eventually emerge. People would segregate along these lines. And we’d have races again!

        Thus the only solution, and this one is final, is to strive to conquer the world with your genes, and kill everything that is not you.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:41 am Zombie Shane

        > “classic strawman.”

        Huh?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:39 am Canadian Friend

        Double “huh?” for me

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:54 am Georgia Boy

        To pick on one point just because I find it interesting, it’s another liberal aspirational lie IMO to think that “perhaps in the future all races will mix and humans will operate with a newfound homogeneity.”

        I propose to call this the Warren Beatty fallacy. (IIRC, in one of his movies he says the solution to racism is to “Just keep fucking till we’re all the same color.”) I don’t think human biology works like that, races are not fully miscible. Interbreeding human races is not like mixing red and blue paint to get purple, it’s like mixing oil and water and getting a messy co-mingling, which will tend to separate itself back out in further generations of breeding down the line.

        Race is real, race is not just skin color, race is old as the hills, and it’s not going away.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:04 am Georgia Boy

        Found it, from the movie Bulworth: “All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep fuckin’ everybody ’til they’re all the same color.”

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:45 am Canadian Friend

        How does Warren Beatty thinks it all started?

        According to the best science we have, we all come from Africa.

        a few hundred thousand years ago we were all black and all in Africa and we were all fucking each other and look at the results; multiple races

        Warren Beatty like most liberals is an idiot, he neither knows nor understands the facts

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:56 am Greg Eliot

        being whiter than bread myself (my lineage traces back to the Mayflower) and being tangentially interested in issues of HBD and evolutionary psychology, I more or less understand both sides of the issue, but I don’t really care either way. perhaps in the future all races will mix and humans will operate with a newfound homogeneity.

        You SWPL deracinated fairy.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm worldclassic

        for entertaining for the sake of argument a commonly held opinion? try reading my post again

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:47 am OralCummings

        Apparently Greg Elliot is occupied elsewhere (perhaps waterboarding some E.German Stasi boys) so I will take it upon meself to do the honors…wait for it…YOU FAIRY!!!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:58 am Greg Eliot

        Handle my light work for me, pal. 😉

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:29 pm Drano

        From day 1 this blog has never been a purely game blog. This blog is largely about disseminating society’s pretty little lies, like the banner above says.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 11:49 am Ben Gurion

        Disseminate means to spread.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 7:09 pm Dave

        Disassembling perhaps what was meant?

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 12:50 am Glengarry Sockpupt

      I’m concerned. While I’ve never commented here before, CH views are becoming too controversial and are criticized and are really outdated too. This is madness! Please stop before it’s TOO LATE and write only of beta game and LGBTQ issues. You may already have destroyed your credibility!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:55 am Michael

        Run you pussy, before the bad reputation rubs off on you! I can already hear them talk behind your back: “Ew, that guy hangs with Heartiste on the interwebz. What a creep!”

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:16 am eyeslevel

        Do you ever try to muzzle free speech on anti-white boards? Or just pro-white boards?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:23 am Zombie Shane

        I think it was sarcasm.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:59 am Greg Eliot

        Finally! Someone else whose jests fall flat. lulz

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 1:31 am Alex

      “This post is pure madness”

      Sounds so to me too.
      USA is not Guinea Bissau, so you have to leave for Europe.

      Stick for what you have, your North American country.

      I mean what do you expect to find in Europe? Liberal shit everywhere, and faltering economies(not to the point of alarm but not advancing anymore).

      I saw you mentioned settling in the “Ukranian steepes”.
      OMG. Just that.

      Can tell you how many rich Croat emigrants ended up really screwed by coming back to Croatia with their investiotions. They were skin ripped by state, and lost pretty much everything – well they were reduced to medium class Croatian citizen. Which is an utter catastrophe to them. And their investitions ended up invested in some villa of a local politician. Offcourse those that came to Croatia in a organized way – like banks did – that got connected with the government, effectively made us a colony.

      Expect nothing less, even in Western Europe if you’re ever to arrive en masse refugee style.

      Don’t think though, we have no love for you whites in US. Yes we do, as we do for Canadians and Australians, and as we would have for Afrikaaners (but apartheid and shit so people don’t appreciate them much, though it is changing as stories of crime and state failure in South Africa reaches us)

      I’m a Russian living in Croatia, and thinking about returning to Russia one day is totally not an option at least so far. Mother Russia can do well without me, and i am raised in Croatia, so by my upbringing and mentality i am far away from Russian.

      Don’t even contemplate such shit. it’s silly in most mild terms expressed.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm embracingourfemininity

        Alex i thought you were in Cyprus? did you go?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:56 pm Alex

        No.
        That was somebody else you was talking with.

        He took my name.

        It wasn’t even the first time, lool.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 11:54 am Ben Gurion

        Europe retains a Medieval lack of respect for property rights. Citizens are seen as geese to be plucked to pay for the nobility in the state bureaucracies. That imperious attitude among public servants is becoming more common in many states, particularly the Blue ones.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 6:05 am momololoz

        Not enough property to go around. Hasn’t been since the Roman empire – before the majority of Europeans were “European” or “owned property”.

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  6. on July 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm OralCummings

    Yeah we pack up and run off to Europe and guess who’s coming to dinner? Right behind us? “Y’all be desrtin da BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAck communitay! Y’all ayne go now here muvvafuckazz!!”

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:18 pm corvinus

      France and Britain are being overrun with them already

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm Jon

        If we found a way to colonise Mars, even in the least resource-rich part of the planet, the Scot-Irish would find a way to get there, with their vibrant pets in tow, to enrich us, mind you.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:11 pm thwack

        what is the opposite of “Scot-Irish?”

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:42 am Zombie Shane

        The Gospels address that question.

        Especially the Gnostic Gospel.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:47 am thwack

        Could you be more specific?

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 11:57 am Ben Gurion

        I think that would be a duplicitous Mediterranean culture, like one from the the Levant.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 12:01 pm embracingourfemininity

        Like Cyprus? and Israel etc.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 5:58 pm Peter

        The opposite of the Scot Irish is the Midwest because they conserve European ways and are self-sufficient economically and culturally. Coastal Americans have sterilized themselves and so are susceptible to the Scot Irish African American cultural synthesis. White girls threw themselves at Elvis Presley, and they threw themselves at Charles Manson. These two exemplify the Scot Irish.

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  7. on July 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm positivetrance

    Wut

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm Anonymous

      Thread winnah!

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  8. on July 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm Anonymous

    We’re sort of happy here in Italy that we managed to get rid of all that southern(Sicilian mostly) trash that migrated to the US, there is a reason why they had to migrate in the first place, mostly the fact they are ignorant, crass and prone to lazyness.

    I’ve worked in NY and saw first hand some of that lot, I’d rather welcome Muslim immigrants, although they follow a malevolent cult of death that is incompatible with Western ideals that have New Jersey guido trash come back to this country.

    [CH: I’ll think I’ll take happy-go-lucky guidos over allah-chanting beheaders any day of the week.]

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:02 pm ghgsshgggfdhfhGeorge Soule

      You’re an idiot. And my ancestors came over on the Mayflower!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm Customer Service

        And your inability to close the doors here and your ancestors inability to close the doors in Britain has soiled both of your countries!! If you’re going to be beta at least stay silent, don’t pollute anyone’s mind with your wrongness.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:18 pm OralCummings

        MY ancestors were in Wrigley Feild when The Babe called his homer! True Dat!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm Greg Eliot

      Yeah… I don’t mind a firing squad or even the noose… but that beheading stuff give me the heebie-jeebies.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm corvinus

      That’s only because you’ve been around Sicilians but not Muslims. Believe me, if you hung around Albanians, say, you’d get the same opinion you do now about Sicilians, only worse.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:48 pm Anonymous

        Spent some time in the Former Yugoslavia too did we?

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 2:59 am santa666

        Remove kabab.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 7:46 pm corvinus

        There must be some reason that whenever Albanians settle in large numbers in an area, the locals end up hating their guts, every single time.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm Anonymous

        Reason one is they throw their garbage out into their front yards.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm ho

      “malevolent cult of death that is incompatible with Western ideals”

      It is an abrahamic religion, much like christianity you dunce. The main reason why Islam is so “hostile” is because of Israel mostly.

      “[CH: I’ll think I’ll take happy-go-lucky guidos over allah-chanting beheaders any day of the week.]”

      What’s the percentage of muslims beheading people?

      The real problem with muslims is similar to hispanics or blacks. The commit too much violent crime. Not that they are fundamentalists.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:18 pm Max from aust

        The Moro islands jihad is the world longest running conflict at 400+++ years. I e before Israel and before the USA.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:24 pm spunky

        Thet are sepratists rather than relgious

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:18 am Summer

        Dang, that was a good and succinct response. And I’m a Muslim.

        P.S. A lot of the crazies who thirst for beheadings are funded by Saudi and trained by the CIA. See the manufactured war in Syria for confirmation.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:07 am Glengarry

        “The main reason why Islam is so “hostile” is because of Israel mostly.”

        Chuckle.

        “What’s the percentage of muslims beheading people?”

        I’m sure that sounded really tough minded in your head when you wrote it out.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:52 am Alex

        Oh yeah?
        Name me Christian states in which you are going to be stoned to death by preaching Islam, or what have you other than Christianity.

        They are what they are, and Israel just created situation where they showed their true face.

        1948 Israel was attacked with full blown invasions as it hardly even came to existence.

        But i hold no grudge against Muslims, even those radical ones.They fight for their civilization and their faith in the way they think is right.

        Though we will see what the future will bring since Muslim world is at a turning point – will they choose islamist or secular governments.
        Religious hostility to the world or aspiring to acquirement of western standard of living.

        What is a bottom line is that Islam has much, much greater potential for radicalization than Christianity. After all Muhammad should be their primary life example, and the dude died as a warlord.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:18 pm Ovid

      I smell the odor of an agent provocateur.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 8:54 am Greg Eliot

        It smells like… like… failure.

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  9. on July 2, 2013 at 12:57 pm Karl F. Boetel

    “The climate factor. Can America’s white Southroners, acclimated to their subtropical heat and humidity, take to the dryness and cold of continental Europe or the chill winds of the Scottish Highlands? If their genes haven’t changed too much, they can. White Northerners should have no trouble settling anywhere in Europe.”

    As you say. White Americans in general would have little trouble settling in Europe’s coldest climes, which is exactly where they should settle, because that’s where our, er, tropical cousins won’t, for the most part, follow.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm late late late bloomer

      saw an anthony bourdain show on quebec and the guy said ‘the cold weather keeps the riff-raff out’ and he said it in a way that seemed like he knew exactly what he was saying. and it was sadly attractive to me at this point.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm corvinus

        The leftoids in Quebec are now importing Haitians by the thousands. Then there are all the do-gooders who resettled third worlders in Minnesota.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:08 pm Karl F. Boetel

        Oh, good grief, yeah: Minnesota. I once took it upon myself to warn a friend who was moving to Minneapolis that the city, by importing Somalian “refugees,” had managed to up its robbery rate by 400 percent, and that rainbow gangs of diversity were beating non-diverse people at random in the streets and uploading it to World Star Hip-Hop.

        This friend identified me, correctly and without much rancor, as a “racist” (duh), but I think they might be safer for it.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm Karl F. Boetel

        Jean Raspail’s ‘Camp of the Saints’ suggests Switzerland holding out just a little longer than other Western countries against the universally praised rainbow vibrancy of diversity. (And South Africa — it was written in the 70s.) But I think Quebec is by far the likeliest candidate.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:29 pm corvinus

        Switz has a foreign population of over 20% now, and I’m pretty sure not all of them are other Europeans.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:13 am Glengarry

        In contrast with nearly everywhere else, Switzerland’s foreign population apparently raises the household wealth average rather than lowering it. Nevertheless, it’s probably unsustainable.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:05 am Karl F. Boetel

        “As long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, then we are not even close to what is essential.”

        Julius Evola

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 4:50 pm Hugh G. Rection

        A lot of them are German though.

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      • on July 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm Fredrik

        Switzerland is where the educated and rich in europe go when they lose faith in their own countries, want to avoid taxes or work within the high tech businesses that thrives there.

        It’s mostly fellow europeans. Many germans for example. Ingar Kamprad of IKEA fame moved there in the seventies to avoid the swedish taxes. The same with the superrich Rausing-family.The third world importing that occurs in Sweden and other european countries seems to be much harder to uphold in Switzerland due to their decentralized direct democracy. Left wing utopianism requires a strong centralized state to implement from the top down. Swiss bottom up organization makes them surprisingly politically sound with regards to the identity politics that infest the rest of the western world.

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  10. on July 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm Caramba

    Btw how are you going to achieve this?
    Invasion?

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:18 pm everybodyhatesscott

      It’s not an invasion it’s Undocumented workers

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm Caramba

        I want to see americans cleaning the streets of romanian towns.Badly.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm Caramba

        I dont mention richer european countries as american undocumented workers will be out priced by the endless streams of south eastern asians and africans.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:41 pm Greg Eliot

        I want to see americans cleaning the streets…

        Take up the White Man’s burden—
        No tawdry rule of kings,
        But toil of serf and sweeper—
        The tale of common things.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 3:00 am santa666

        Undocumented Europeans.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 12:07 pm Ben Gurion

        Foreign-born Co-citizens as the say in Germany.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 4:51 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Co-citizens? Mitbürger mit Migrationshintergrund or what’s that supposed to translate?

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      • on July 7, 2013 at 4:41 am Ben Gurion

        Auslaendische Mitbuerger

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm late late late bloomer

      what do you mean invasion they would have to be racists to not allow me an unfettered path to citizenship in their country i thought

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:35 pm Caramba

        Americans can visit visa free but than the general rules apply.If you work here-you will be illegal.It’s not easy to immigrate to Europe legally.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:40 pm Anonymous

        It’s not that hard and easier than emigrating to the US.

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  11. on July 2, 2013 at 1:00 pm WillBest

    I think the Muslims will overrun Europe well before the Hispanics overrun the US.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm Caramba

      Writing from London here- hard to disagree with you.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 1:47 am Mercy

        There is no ethnic diversity outside the major cities.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:21 pm corvinus

      I think it will be black Africans rather than Muslims, actually. Muslims and American Hispanics have similar birth rates, still higher than Euros but declining.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 10:04 pm spunky

        various from nation to nation. in canada canadain muslim birth rate came in at 2.01 and 2.3 at 2 different surveys.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm corvinus

        My point exactly — that’s about what the Hispanic birth rate is now.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:05 pm Hugh Mann

      30% of English primary school children “ethnic minority”. A decade ago it was 16%. 20% of them don’t have English as a first language.

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/411665/English-not-the-first-language-for-a-MILLION-schoolchildren

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm Nyk

      Depends what part of Europe you are talking about. I’ve been to Italy and it’s in much better shape than France, with much less immigrants. Also, in eastern bloc countries like Hungary or Poland, the Blacks and Muslims are pretty much non-existent.

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  12. on July 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm Mr.magNIFicent1

    Lebensraum. I needs it.

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  13. on July 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm Drano

    Its easy to entertain such a notion on a purely hypothetical level, but the reality is a movement such as this is fantasy. Things could become as a bad as the genocide in south africa but whites will stick it out.

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  14. on July 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm Nietzsche

    Europe is WORSE! Fuck Europe and fuck Europeans. they’re nothing like Americans.

    Poles will accept Poles, and Russians will probably accept Russians, but the rest have been here too long and are not wanted. Especially Italians.

    Considering how few of these people speak their ancestral language, it would be a disaster. I have no interest in “returning to Europe”.

    If I were to leave in search of permanent settlement, it would be in some poorly developed nation, and it would be with millions and a few other like-minded (white) Americans, and we’d do it right, so we aren’t threatened with murder and ostracized by the natives. they’d have to be taught.

    Think “There Will Be Blood”, and you’ll get the jist of it.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm Caramba

      You are wrong about Italians.I now a canadian femicunt who does not know even one word in Italian.Apparently she had an italian grandfather and thus has right to italian citizenship.So she can live and work in europe and could study here for free.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:11 pm Nietzsche

        Did I say a fucking thing about the government’s willingness to accept new citizens? No. And who’s to say they wouldn’t try to stop it and change the rules once they’re met with opposition when millions of loud mouth square jawed steroid freaks and their equally disgusting “women” try to enter the small country? I am also eligible, it’s beside the point.

        I’m talking about the people. Fuck the government.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:29 pm Greg Eliot

      You’re right in that the language barriers would be the biggest hurdle… not insurmountable for a folk of will and talent… but I fear the vast majority of Americans haven’t been that sort of mettle for a few generations now.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm corvinus

        Just about everybody whose young and educated over there speaks English, so the language barrier is ironically lower for us than it would be for many others.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:15 pm Nietzsche

        Yes a very large percentage speaks English. But depending on where you’re moving, you’ll be better off learning German.

        I work with a German and he said almost everyone he encountered in Northern Italy speaks German, due to it’s proximity.

        Italy does not have work for millions of Americans who will have to learn a new language, a new way of life, tone down their stupid guido attitude, a new system of measurement..

        Really it’s completely implausible. Italians who came here did so during a time of incredible economic and infrastructural expansion. Italy has no such revolution waiting for cheap labor. The ex-pats who move there are already wealthy or can work from their office chairs while the dollars roll in, sipping shitty Italian drinks.

        Joey D from BK is a clown to the average Italian. Hell, his ancestors didn’t even come from the area where you could find work as anything other than a shit shoveler. His ancestors were toothless sheep fuckers from the South.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 2:04 am aleister

        Actually, only american italians have a guido attitude.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 4:56 pm Hugh G. Rection

        I doubt he has an accurate picture. Really depends on where you are, of course Northern Italy has a shitton of German tourists so they learn German because it makes good business sense. The Island of Mallorca is another example, it’s sometimes referred to as the 17th State of Germany.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:17 am Glengarry

        Europe is multicultural, so not speaking the local language is not a problem. Demand an interpreter when interacting with local government.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 7:55 pm thwack

      we’d do it right, so we aren’t threatened with murder and ostracized by the natives. they’d have to be taught.
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      OK, so if you were sent back in time, and placed in charge of Rhodesia when it was first founded, and had complete power; what would you do differently, to make sure it did not end up like it is today?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:42 am Syd Barrett

        Rhodesia was stabbed in the back by the United States and its satellite European countries, if that never happened it would still be the ” bread basket ” of Africa.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:58 pm thwack

        you didn’t answer the question.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 8:47 am Syd Barrett

        I did, you just dont understand the answer. Nothing would have to be done differently, Rhodesia used to be the main food supplier to Africa. After the “evil” whites were kicked out, had their farms confiscated, and Mugabe came to power, the economy suffered a total collapse. Now Zimbabwe needs to import food. Not surprisingly, a large portion of the black population longs for the old days, when the “evil” white man operated the farming system.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 10:35 am thwack

        Syd Barrett

        I did, you just dont understand the answer.
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        Oh I get it; you must be one of those younger white persons who have limited reading comprehension due to going to school with niqqers; if you aren’t a black person, please reread the question and answer it.

        Thank you.

        “so if you were sent back in time, and placed in charge of Rhodesia when it was first founded, and had complete power; what would you do DIFFERENTLY, to make sure it did not end up like it is today?”

        (BTW- “I don’t know” is an acceptable answer)

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 7:00 pm thwack

        You didn’t answer the question.

        The question was:

        what would you do differently?

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  15. on July 2, 2013 at 1:05 pm Coy

    speaking of Europe , i am a guy with basic game. gonna spend the next 2 years in Germany(Bavaria), starting September. I have no connections there. Can you guys suggest away I can pipeline a few girls for easy lays online?

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:07 pm Coy

      just to be clear i wanna pipeline online and bang in person.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm Greg Eliot

        Yeah… request a transfer to Hamburg and trawl the Reeperbahn.

        Avaunt, thou impious fool.

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  16. on July 2, 2013 at 1:06 pm Matthew King

    Fuck that. This is my country, this is the last best hope, and I’ll die before surrendering it to the looters.

    i say this as a fourth-generation American, but one without any international mixing. I have one homeland in Europe, extended family there, I have a place to go anytime I choose. They are not chunky or entitled, they are skinny with fat tits, blue eyes, blond hair, genetic perfection.

    But I am American first. My ancestors and people like me built this country and bequeathed it to my generation. It was the first and only country built on an idea so that the cream of every people would be attracted to it: those with intelligence, balls, creativity, energy, courage — out of many, one. It is the light to which the producers of the world rally. It has been so successful that we became bored and started fucking with the formula.

    I have no use for cynics who pronounce us dead, only contempt. Now we are testing whether any nation so conceived can long endure — every generation faces that test. The preposterous thought that changing geography will solve the corruption of the idea is nothing more than capitulation, and I tell you get out and good riddance. This place and none other was the geography that gathered the winners, absorbed them, unified them under the superior liberal republican Anglo-Saxon culture, and transformed them into citizens who could at last enjoy the fruit of their labors, untrammeled.

    Just because the losers have temporarily seized the helm and are steering us toward the rocks is no reason to jump ship. It’s a reason to mutiny. It is a reason to Go Galt. Not to scurry back to the old world where the interbred royals and supplicants remained in fear.

    That’s the problem with seeing everything through race. You are as bad as the leftists, and you’re missing the real problem. We are not genetically determined, we are culturally and morally determined. You are both poison fruit from the same Frankfurt tree. You do not understand the connections between the deep ideas, so you have no idea why a belief in Biomechanics as God inevitably brings you to the same utopian-nihilist conclusions of your enemies.

    Matt

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm Arred Wade

      Did you sleep through that whole Dark Enlightenment thing these past few months?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm Matthew King

        “Dark” anything is for pussies and goth teens. Basement plotters, blogster revolutionaries. I don’t scurry into the shadows and whisper sarcasm. I am “the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.”

        The “Dark Enlightenment” is a label for undereducated people who have little grasp about the sources of their thinking. Just because it’s new to them doesn’t mean they have innovated anything. In fact, they would save everybody’s time by exploring the “best that has been thought and said” rather than attempting to cram age-old wisdom into their novel epistemologies and categories of speech.

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm cryo

        “The “Dark Enlightenment” is a label for undereducated people who have little grasp about the sources of their thinking. Just because it’s new to them doesn’t mean they have innovated anything. In fact, they would save everybody’s time by exploring the “best that has been thought and said” rather than attempting to cram age-old wisdom into their novel epistemologies and categories of speech.”

        Amen.

        This whole Dark Enlightenment thing is just a bunch of n00bs reinventing the wheel that men already fashioned ages ago, when it wasn’t illegal to be a man, when political correctness was rightly laughed at and dismissed.

        Check out this 1798 description of the “Negro” in Encyclopedia Britannica: “NEGRO, Homo pelli nigra, a name given to a variety of the human species, who are entirely black, and are found in the Torrid zone, especially in that part of Africa which lies within the tropics. In the complexion of negroes we meet with various shades; but they otherwise differ far from other men in all the features of their face. Round cheeks, high cheek-bones, a forehead somewhat elevated, a short, broad, flat nose, thick lips, small ears, ugliness, and irregularity of shape, characterize their external appearance. The negro women have the loins greatly depressed, and very large buttocks, which give the back the shape of a saddle. Vices the most notorious seem to be the portion of this unhappy race: idleness, treachery, revenge, cruelty, impudence, stealing, lying, profanity, debauchery, nastiness and intemperance, are said to have extinguished the principles of natural law, and to have reproofs of conscience. They are strangers to every sentiment of compassion, and are an awful example of the corruption of man when left to himself.”

        LOL. Back then, men just told it like it is. That was the true “enlightenment”.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:59 pm V

        “The negro women have the loins greatly depressed…”

        wut?

        please elaborate for the lzolozos. does this mean what i think it means?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:28 pm Richard

        It means they have swayback.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:22 am V

        swayback?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:38 am V

        ok i get the swayback but thats not how i read it…

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:15 pm Arred Wade

        Lol, someone else can take this one.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm RJ

        That’s kind of the point though – it has to be done because so much knowledge has been destroyed in the last couple of generations. Tom Wolfe wrote a great essay called “The Great Relearning”. It described how doctors in Haight-Asbury during the late-60s hippie era had to relearn how to treat diseases that had been eradicated in the civilized world for centuries. Many of them didn’t even have names. The hippies had thrown off civilized notions of things like hygiene, and consequently got fungal and bacterial infections that were unknown to late 60s medicine. The boomers really did institute a Pol Pot style “Year Zero” regime in many areas of knowledge. It’s hard for me to slander youngsters who are now relearning the old ways.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 5:01 pm Hugh G. Rection

        The irony of course being that you are spending a lot of time arguing with strangers at this venerable Chateau, being far more pompous about yourself than this kind of affliction would warrant.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:22 pm thwack

      Matthew King
      But I am American first. My ancestors and people like me built this country
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      Yeah, you built this country with slavery and genocide; now you want and award?

      What country you from?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm Greg Eliot

        We did about as good a job with genocide as you fellows did “building” Detroit.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:59 pm Starets

        “Yeah, you built this country with slavery…”

        Does the donkey that pulls the plough take credit for Agriculture?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm cryo

        Hey thwack, take a look at Rome two thousand years ago. Now take a look at Africa today. Now hang your head in shame.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 2:10 am aleister

        Aahahahah, +1

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:45 pm Ulf E

        @ thwack – Stupid, ignorant fool! Slavery and genocide have built a great many civilizations troughout the world. What is unique about America is that ir was built on individual freedom and individual reason!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:58 pm Matthew King

        What country you from?

        I think if you do a cursory scan of any other post on this thread from me, you will quickly conclude I’m from the United States. How about you, Kunte?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm Canadian Friend

        What is worse;

        Slavery that helped built the greatest nation in the history of the world where the descendants of slaves are paid to sit on their asses and get fat?

        or slavery that accomplishes nothing but misery in mud huts and is still going on in parts Africa as I am typing these words?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:11 pm Syd Barrett

        Sorry Thwack bad example. Africans have had slavery for thousands of years, and , for a few exceptions, haven’t accomplished anything near to what many other racial groups have.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:26 am Truth is Beauty

        i.e. Africans enslaved their own kind and sold them to the White man.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:03 am thwack

        Was the slavery based on color?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:49 pm Syd Barrett

        ” Was the slavery based on color? ”

        No not really, I’m sure Africans sold black slaves to other Africans also.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm Ben Gurion

        To the Arabs mostly, where the men were generally castrated and the children born of concubinage killed. The entire slave trade was controlled by the Arabs, who bought prisoners taken in inter-tribal warfare.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm newlyaloof

      We are not genetically determined, we are culturally and morally determined

      Funny, then, how people with a certain genetic make-up created and passed on their culture and morals to offspring with the same genetic determination.

      See, man! It’s the culture and morals that floated down and just happened to interest white’s enough to absorb them into their skin, yeah, like sun rays and shit!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm Greg Eliot

        +111… as much as it’s true there are remarkable individuals of all colors and creeds… likewise, candidates for perdition… it’s percentages that matter, at the end of the day.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:50 pm newlyaloof

        The Matts of the world think morals and culture existed before DNA’s arrival. God forbid if culture and morals be an outward expression of DNA.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:01 pm Greg Eliot

        Understand… as Christians, we’re obliged to at least pay some lip service to free will. 😉

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm NotaJoo

        Not if your a reformed protestant/Calvinist…

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:50 pm Earl

        Johnathan Edwards, Freedom Of The Will, FTW!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:35 pm Ulf E

        @ newlyaloof – “God forbid if culture and morals be an outward expression of DNA.”

        Yeah. Immanuel Kant and Thomas Jefferson: they got their identical ideas from their identical DNA…

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:22 am Greg Eliot

        Both white men of Central/Northern European stock… I’m guessing that sonic boom I heard was his initial point flying over your head.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm Ulf E

        @ Greg Eliot – Oh, I got his point; you, however, didn’t get mine. Kant is the father of the Counter-Enlightnment and of modern collectivism; Jefferson is one of the towering figures of the American Enlightnment. Get it? Barbarism, massmurder and economic stagnation – great “outward expression of DNA”!

        I prefer Jefferson and the United States of America.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 7:37 am Tony

        @Ulf E

        “Kant is the father of the Counter-Enlightnment and of modern collectivism; ”

        Exactly right. However, isn’t the only one. All the German philosophers of the last 250 years before WWII promoted anti-American ideals and ethics. Anti John Lock and anti Jefferson.

        German Idealism is Counter-Enlightnment.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:01 am thwack

        So should I accept Jesus as my savior and seek improvement by following his word?

        Or does my savage, coon like negro DNA (idleness, treachery, revenge, cruelty, impudence, stealing, lying, profanity, debauchery, nastiness and intemperance) mean its a complete waste of time?

        Please tell me know so I can consider converting to Islam.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:01 pm OralCummings

        The former.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:07 pm Greg Eliot

        You get wise… you get to church!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:51 pm Syd Barrett

        Dont the brothers think Jesus was black ??

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm Matthew King

        I didn’t say there weren’t genetic limits. Of course there are. I am saying they are neither the sole nor decisive factor, so fixating on them leads to an inaccurate analysis.

        Our cultural commissars need to factor in race more than they have — I am from the Charles Murray and Steve Sailer school of race realism. But you are not helping anything by emphasizing this point to the exclusion of all others — especially among the people who agree with you, like me.

        It makes you sound as though you have nothing to say about the other, more important contributors to a man’s development. Like you want to reduce a complex discussion down to the narrow area you know best, and then tar the rest of us as insufficiently zealous.

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:32 pm Arsene

        What do you do for a living?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:21 am Greg Eliot

        He’s a semi-retired gynecologist who still goes into the office a day or two each week… just to keep a hand in.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:01 am newlyaloof

        Let me go back to what started this:

        We are not genetically determined, we are culturally and morally determined

        I see a comment like this and I think – he thinks genetics have NOTHING to do with what makes white folks successful. I simply state that it plays a role, but it DOES NOT mean other races can’t be just as civil, intelligent, and successful as whites are (Did you read that Ulf E?)

        When someone says WE ARE NOT genetically determined, I logically conclude this person discounts all genetic influence.

        Some funny shit. I grew up with more “diverse” friends, of lower social status, than 99% of white folks. I’ve been intimate with black girls too. The Elf Es of the world can kiss my acculturated ass.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm OralCummings

        The jews apparently are MORE intelligent than us and theyre a race of monsters from hell. So…the black pussy you enjoyed notwithstanding,I’d say you are an idiot.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:12 pm thwack

        Me: Thank you Alex; I’ll take Jewish girls for a thousand.

        Alex: “Intelligent monster pussy from hell”

        Me: What are the 2 zhid chicks I fucked?

        Alex: You are correct!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:32 pm Ulf E

        @ newlyaloof – Yeah, whites… Like the German Nazis irrationalism, altruism and collectivism absorbed by American whites from a nation based on reason, individualism and freedom, “like sun rays and shit”.

        Pathetic.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:19 am Greg Eliot

        It never ceases to amaze me that you cogdis dweebs still think railing about NAH-ZEES in the usual Cathedral shaming language accomplishes anything.

        You fairy.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:17 pm Ulf E

        @ Greg Eliot – It never amazes me, since you’re obviously stupid, that you don’t get that I am not trying to shame anyone. What I am saying is that there would have been nothing basically wrong with America, had you not started to import the same philosophic ideas that led to the bloodiest war in history. That implies that the struggle to save America is not about importing more stupid collectivist ideas (like racism), but about joining the New Enlightnment and drive the marxists out of Academia.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 9:09 am Tony

        Notice how every time someone criticizes the Nazis, Greg Eliot goes berserk. The man is a Nazi himself or a collaborator.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 2:31 pm Greg Eliot

        I’ll assume naivete’ on your part, rather than cogdis usual suspect squid inker, for a moment… if only for the sake of discussion.

        So, as you go about “driving marxists out of Academia”, and a goodly number, if not the vast majority, of them “just happen” to be YKW, with a healthy soupçon of negroes… and the Cathedral then comes after YOU, torches a-blazin’, for your racism, what then?

        Weak denials that “it’s only ‘marxists’ I’m after?”

        Wake up, kid.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm Greg Eliot

        And btw, let’s be fair, thou warrior of thought…

        You may not like my opinions… you may even find my sense of humor tiresome…

        But from my writing, and the references made therein, it’s obvious that I’m not stupid… and saying so only betrays your own disingenuous motives or your own dimness for not “getting” my actual message and/or homages.

        Now, if you want to swap barbs and insults, in the best Menckenesque manner, I can appreciate that… but geez, come up with something better than “stupid”… that was lame back in grade school.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 2:40 pm Greg Eliot

        It never amazes me, since you’re obviously stupid, that you don’t get that I am not trying to shame anyone.

        The fuck you weren’t… and besides, the next episode of Can You Spot The Irony isn’t due for a few days.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 5:11 am Greg Eliot

        Notice how every time someone criticizes the Nazis, Greg Eliot goes berserk. The man is a Nazi himself or a collaborator.

        Heh, heh… another Yid with his own dictionary… “berserk” is more aptly applied to the reaction of you Hebes on this board when someone dares stand up to your Cathedral shaming bullshit.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm Tom

      It is the Frankfurt School that is known for spouting the bullshit you have just claimed: that “we are culturally and morally determined.” You are agreeing with them, my ignorant friend.

      You are simply offended by the reality of biology. Don’t be. Embrace it. That doesn’t mean that biology is everything. But it is very important.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm Earl

        I’m afraid the biological determination that white people are an abject racial failure is a little more unsettling than the metaphysical determination that choices and ideas matter.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:51 pm Greg Eliot

        A fair point.

        But I’m guessing he’s not throwing the free will baby out with the bathwater by his mention of:

        That doesn’t mean that biology is everything. But it is very important.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:32 pm Matthew King

        Yeah. Someone who thinks I am “simply offended by the reality of biology” is not a person I’d expect could understand nuance.

        We are genetically determined. We are also culturally determined. Our elite, policy-making culture (and this accidentally Darwinist subset of sociological amateurs) err too much on the side of fatalism. You call it genetics, they call it History. We can all navel-gaze over what the precise nature/nurture, free will/fate mixture is. But the point is, today’s totalitarian imbalance is heavily weighted against free will and therefore militates against the very possibility of individual liberty.

        You are ultimately, deeply, fundamentally part of the problem. If you think a black savage could be more easily genetically doctored into becoming a responsible citizen than he could be culturally formed through total education and training into civic responsibility, I don’t know what to tell you.

        There are obvious limits, but I will take a God-fearing, military-disciplined black man over a neckbearded white Ivy League hipsterfaggot. Wouldn’t you?

        Or are you yet another ideologue with whom conducting a reasoned discussion is impossible?

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:15 pm Tom

        I will take a “neckbearded white Ivy League hipsterfaggot” over a “God-fearing, military-disciplined black man” any day. The white Ivy Leaguer has more potential in his own life and far more potential in his offspring for the next thousand years (if he manages to have at least one kid) than the black man, who, if he has a kid, will only be reducing the quality of the overall population (forever!). And the long term of humanity in general and of Western people in particular is far more important than the next 20 years of this liberal democratic experiment (the USA) that my blood has been mixed into since before 1776.

        And there is a big difference between genetics and what our elites currently rely on in making policy. I don’t get why you would subsume it all into “history.” You seem to take “free will” as some kind of magic that makes anything possible for anyone. No, “free will” simply means that people make choices. Those choices are nonetheless heavily circumscribed by, among other things, genetics.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm Greg Eliot

        There are obvious limits, but I will take a God-fearing, military-disciplined black man over a neckbearded white Ivy League hipsterfaggot. Wouldn’t you?

        Alas, a chink in the armor of the usually redoubtable King.

        Herein lies the rub… we all have our “good Negro”… as do we our often-all-too-numerous pale-skinned betes noires…

        But what then? Say we could wave a magic wand and get a Mulligan on our society… only allowing “good” God-fearing and disciplined blacks to mingle with us “good” whites.

        Will they and we all “stick to their own kind” in matters sexual, whilst cooperating and mixing on all other levels?

        Could there ever be that “separate but equal” society envisioned by Booker T., et. al. ?

        Or would we, several generations later, merely have the same bullshit we have today?

        I strongly suspect the latter… (can a leopard change its spots)… hence, what’s the point?

        It’s like the old maxim about a hornet’s nest in the backyard… sure there are some “good” hornets that won’t sting you… but there are definitely others that will… and by the time you can tell which from which, it’s too late… and besides, the “good” ones aren’t EVEN going to side with YOU over their own kind.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:11 pm yeahokcool

        uh oh. matt and greg are at a crossroads…

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:23 pm Matthew King

        You’re extrapolating too much out of my exposition of principle. Pure freedom creates natural segregation: people want to be with their own kind. Look at any mixed school lunchroom. Look at the miscegenation rates of SWPL. There is little cross pollination when people are free to choose. This is as firm or firmer than any other theory of race.

        I don’t share your racial theories, apparently. I do think there are genetic limitations we are not allowed to talk about (again, cf. Sailer and Murray), but I do not think they are impervious to the influence of superior culture, and in fact are substantially upgraded by mere contact with, not to say total immersion in, an advanced civilization.

        This is why the American experiment is so important. We didn’t just move Ireland or Italy or Germany over here wholesale. We poached their most adventurous and courageous and industrious. We assimilated them into one national identity, and the cream of the various stocks merged.

        Without the importation and subsequent liberation of enslaveable people (the dregs of African stock, who gave their liberty rather than their lives), and without the soft genocide exemplified most explicitly in the 1965 Immigration Act, the United States would be 95% white today. The point is, we don’t have to discriminate by race when natural superiorities already do that work for us in a competitive immigration market.

        The problem with minorities in this country isn’t that they’re not white. It’s that they are not American. We allowed the importation of non-Americanizable peoples by dropping our standards for entry (chain migration) and ending assimilation (because that would be “racist”). Confusing the American idea with whiteness — though they almost perfectly overlap — is the first step to destroying the American idea. It kicks the legs out from under the experiment which says a nation can be formed by a common culture of volunteers based on an idea of liberty. Why couldn’t we be happy that almost 100% of the go-getters who qualified were white?

        Racism is pernicious because it opens the possibility of different standards of judgment above the the American idea, which in turn allows the enemy to beat us with an the even more insidious weapon of self-hatred — affirmative action, white guilt, acceptable anti-white animus in the guise of “anti-racism.” We bypassed that playing field because our superiority was so obvious. We didn’t have racial litmus tests because it never occurred to anyone that whites wouldn’t dominate. Like women taking the fireman’s physical exam — so long as we focused on the standards of the exam, rather than the sex of who was being examined, the firehouses would be stocked with 99% men. But by focusing on (or even noticing) the secondary characteristics, we allowed them to replace rational standards with those characteristics, only now put to use for opposite ideological ends.

        By making this a racial thing, we give up our extraracial, philosophical justification to the manipulation of leftist race-mixing laboratories. Instead of enforcing a rigorous intellectual standard based on an individual’s capacity for wealth-creation, creativity, and production, we gave in to the crude calculus of race. Once that happened, they were able to take our incidentally eugenic project and make it deliberately dysgenic. They agree: America was founded on racism, and those of us who claim it to be the great experiment to gather liberty’s elite are merely promoting a veneer of jingoistic civic mythology. Your race theory of separation gave them the justification for a race theory of glorious miscegenation. When the real answer is: race is irrelevant, and if we would have just kept our mouths shut, natural segregation would have achieved the ends we are looking for.

        You are giving them the rope to hang us with.

        I am not thinking of that genial negro who shines my shoes with a smile, I am not imagining how heartbroken I’d be if we herded him onto a cattle car so unfairly. This is womanthink — to extrapolate from personal experience into categorical imperatives.

        I am thinking about the most efficient way to achieve the same ends. Cattle cars aren’t just messy, they’re a band aid and no long-term solution any more than Boston busing was. The quickest and simplest way to achieve a lasting segregation is to simply trust in the superiority of the white race to dominate a free market.

        That’s why I am a partisan of liberty, a protector of that free market, not just because I personally thrive there but because I know that is the best place for white men to be, unencumbered, and left to their own initiative. That’s why I say a pox on utopian thinking from both the left and the right. Focus your energy on liberty, and we white people will do the rest.

        I appreciate your disagreement: finally criticism from someone I respect and therefore can take seriously.

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm Greg Eliot

        Hard to gainsay any of what you say…

        It’s just that in so many ways the genie is out of the bottle, and there’s no putting it all back in a semblance of order to restore “the good old days” within the current political, and especially racio-geopolitical, milieu.

        It seems to me that what is first order of business is a regrouping… an ingathering, if you will… of enough racially-minded (or say non-deracinated) whites if any sort of American Dream mulligan is to be achieved further down the road.

        The number doesn’t have to be large… indeed, not even an overly-significant percentage of current whites… but a homeland/nation, in the truest sense of the word, is a sine qua non.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:50 am Matthew King

        I wouldn’t disagree with an “ingathering,” if only to take a step in the right direction, crude though it would be.

        The problem with categorizing by race isn’t because it’s “discriminatory” (repulsive neologism) or because there is some virtue to being “colorblind.” It’s because race preferences enervate whites who don’t have to earn their status. It separates people by what they already are (and always must be) rather than by what they accomplish, what they think, or how they behave. It solves the genetics issue by giving away character. It recreates a royal lethargy, the kid who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple, nothing for him to do except be.

        Now it may be true that

        in so many ways the genie is out of the bottle, and there’s no putting it all back in a semblance of order to restore “the good old days” within the current political, and especially racio-geopolitical, milieu.

        but this is a conclusion based on temperament and worst-case-scenario extrapolation more than reality, because nothing has come to pass yet. I see the value in pessimism, but none in despair. Particularly since the final Victory has already been won, and all that remains for us is to keep the faith.

        People should become Christians if only to gain the training necessary to be honest about these matters. The only way through the confusion is to hate the sin and love the sinner, to love your enemy enough to fraternally correct him. The typical undereducated secularist finds it baffling that I can love blacks and hate the culture (or even their genetic predisposition) that destroys them, or to love Jèws and hate their ressentiment, or to love leftists/nihilists/hedonists while hating the flimsy philosophies that, for all their flimsiness, still somehow enslave them. My enemies think I’m disingenuous for not despising men burdened by lies. But for Christians, it’s just another day building up the kingdom.

        Matt

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm Greg Eliot

        Particularly since the final Victory has already been won, and all that remains for us is to keep the faith.

        A fair point, one I earnestly hope for… yet I backslide on occasion, as you have noticed, and still feel the compulsions of Man’s veneer over the jungle.

        I love that reproof, brother.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:35 pm Tony

        @Matt

        It was a great comment, but you ruined it with this statement: “I appreciate your disagreement: finally criticism from someone I respect and therefore can take seriously.”

        Honestly, could you really respect this person who sees nothing but race? Can he be more narrow-minded? Can people like him be more foolish or more dangerous to our country?

        His type of thinking will bring our destruction, as it’s not the thinking of the original people who founded this place. Once we veer from the purpose of our founding, we lose our right to exist. America exists specifically because it’s the shining city on the hill, because it’s diffident form all other places in the world, including Europe – the very place its original inhabitants immigrated from, and because it’s an idea never tried before. The moment we abandon this idea, we abandon the purpose for which we came here, and we lose all right to exist as a nation. There are countless counties that look like Africa, Asia, South America, and Europe, but only one America. A special place where the best of the world came to and created great things. Focusing solely on race as our main problem is a big mistake, and only narrow-minded fools like Eliot care about that alone. It’s as if nothing else matters to him but race. Curious, is he a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:58 pm corvinus

        Tony,

        What’s naive is you presuming that all different people can fit into and “get” the American project equally. Europeans, for the most part, have been able to prove they can. Whether pro-big-government Latinos or Asians or our own black population can is quite a different matter, but so far, given their lopsided votes for Obama, I’m not optimistic.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:06 pm Greg Eliot

        Apparently Tony only reads what he wants to, like the rest of his OMG, RAY-CISS!!! dweebs… and has missed the innumerable times I’ve mentioned “remarkable individuals to be found in all colors and creeds”.

        “Only sees race”, pfft.

        And then talks of my alleged “narrow mind”.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:11 pm Greg Eliot

        Curious, is he a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler?

        Some song, different verse… lulz

        It’s laughable how all the Cathedral shamers attempting to sit on high horses always tip their cogdis usual-suspect hand.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:56 pm corvinus

        Curious, is he a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler?

        Some song, different verse… lulz

        It’s laughable how all the Cathedral shamers attempting to sit on high horses always tip their cogdis usual-suspect hand.

        The Godwin is strong in this one.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 11:32 am Matthew King

        It was a great comment, but you ruined it with this statement: “I appreciate your disagreement: finally criticism from someone I respect and therefore can take seriously.”

        Honestly, could you really respect this person who sees nothing but race? Can he be more narrow-minded? Can people like him be more foolish or more dangerous to our country?

        Ruined?

        Now that I’ve read your other comments, I understand where you’re coming from, brother. But you have a long way to go.

        The code of anti-racism, which is an elaborate euphemism for anti-white, is the single greatest barrier to truth in modern discourse. Even someone who goes overboard against this regime of culturally and legally enforced lies — and I do not accuse Mr. Eliot in particular of excess, even if in theory excess may be harmful — is someone on the side of truth.

        When you focus on racism, and especially when you claim that such a disposition invalidates a man’s comment, you set yourself on the side of the liars. When you scrutinize a man for being insufficiently politically correct, rather than praising a man for the courage to be deliberately “incorrect,” you have stumbled off the path of truth.

        The truth emblematic of the “bigots'” statements in this age is the truth that must be most elevated. Why? Because theirs is the only burden whereby one cannot even pronounce certain words before being declared an enemy to be eradicated. Even this open-minded forum has succumbed to that censorship.

        If you care about the freedom necessary to an inquiry into the truth, you must defend the ability of the least free to present their entire case. Only then might you judge the worthiness of their creed, and in that disinterested judgment, find the whole truth yourself.

        Most simpletons brought up in the simpleton age of Eracism cannot make the necessary distinctions. They cannot discriminate! Discrimination is the very basis of judgment. They despise judgment, which is the very basis of wisdom. They are therefore fools idolizing foolishness itself.

        But those trained to recognize and correct for prejudgment (or “prejudice”), have no problem allowing people to speak their minds. Indeed, the prerequisite of unfettered speech is imperative to their method. But because the simpletons have a superstitious fear against “prejudice,” they have given up the ability to filter out a dissident’s irrelevant idiosyncrasies (prejudgment) and really examine the heart of what they are saying (simple judgment).

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:59 pm Matthew King

        See, this is the kind of purist stupidity you need to keep in check. The question wasn’t which racial stock would be best to perpetuate; the question was which is the superior man. But your genetics-on-the-brain is so total, so out of control, that you cannot even conceive a scenario where any black man could be superior to any white man. And that is how ideology poisons wisdom.

        Because it is real wisdom to say white genetics are more valuable than black. But the question was about individuals, not their genetic legacy. What will it take for you to admit there is more to consider than determinism based on shaky science?

        I “subsume” nothing “into History.” I do not deny the “heav[y] circumscri[ption]” of various factors. But you don’t know how much of a good thing is too much. You have no means to effect a “constrained vision” (h/t the Negro Thomas Sowell).

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm feministx

        How can you extricate the individual from the whole of the legacy?

        My best friend’s father is an evangelical church attending black man from the military.

        My best friend is a stripper form the projects in the south bronx.

        I loves her though. I take her over neckbearded hipsters every day.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 12:44 am Mob Barley

        Matthew kings insights in these round of posts have blown my mind. What an epic description of what Ayn Rand’s books are all about. Without name calling, without personal confrontation, without a gun in your face vicious attitude, he projects a winnih attitude that I would be hard pressed to find in many other living men. These posts and comments are immortal. They relate to my adopted Buddhist mentality so well. It’s not about force. It’s about you being the best human you can, and if you stay completely loyal to yourself, and help yourself without feeling guilt or shame, your destiny will come true. You will be a boss among bosses, without consciously trying. Because it is our nature to thrive and it is our nature to be bosses. Let not your hate subsume your creative and positive abilities in this world. Instead of imagining how many enemies you can kill, imagine how strong you can get, so if an enemy were to come your way you would easily kill. It is a subtle difference, yet the latter outlook is wholly focused on self improvement, and ultimately it will cause the goal of you being a winner. Self-focus inwardly on our own personal goals, not on ideas about others. Thank you Matthew king.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm PA

        Who would you rather give you grandchildren: a God-fearing, military-disciplined black man or a neckbearded white Ivy League hipsterfaggot?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:41 pm Matthew King

        The white man.

        Does my rationale confuse you?

        Now, who would you rather run your subsidiary and keep it profitable? Who would you rather lead one of your platoons into war? Who would you rather have a beer with? Who would you rather have your back in a bar fight?

        Who would you rather teach your children about history?

        Who would you rather be a stepfather to your grandchildren?

        If you said the skinny-necked homo hipster in any of those cases not involving broad genetic issues, I must conclude you have never met either a genuine hipster or a genuine Christian with a military background.

        This is what happens when you put genetics in their proper perspective, rather than allowing them to serve as a substitute for judgment and discrimination (in the old sense).

        Here’s another one for you: who would you prefer to write the majority opinion for your pro-discrimination case, Justice David Souter or Justice Clarence Thomas?

        Matt

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm OralCummings

        Matt seems particularly ignorant about the performance of the black male in the armed forces. I guess he got a hold of some Communion wine and watched “Red Tails” and got all weepy! The record of the segrgated units in WW ll–the Good War,whereby we defeated the civilization destroying NAH-ZEEs and allied ourself with the dear lovable USSR–was terrifying. Violent and out of control,and extraordinarily incompetent and cowardly.Emmet Till’s father served. He wound up stretching a rope for murdering/raping some Eye-Talian ladies. They pushed integration HARD to get this covered up. His imaginary Uncle Tom black Gunga Din may indeed be preferred ina barfight,as long as the fight does NOT center on say,George Zimmerman. Matt who would you rather meet on a dark streetcorner? The faggot neckbeard maybe?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:23 am eyeslevel

        “I will take a God-fearing, military-disciplined black man over a neckbearded white Ivy League hipsterfaggot.”
        The choice we have to make in the real world is do we want to live in a white country or a non-white country. We can always sort out culture later. Race mixing is forever.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:21 am Matthew King

        We can always sort out culture later.

        I see what you’re saying, but you are not correct.

        Yes, let’s first liberate whites from the ideology of happy miscegenation and allow a recovery of their natural genetic disgust at mixing to take care of the rest.

        In the meantime, we can’t skip a generation when it comes to teaching the virtues necessary for independence. The purest race preservation won’t matter if it produces drones who believe virtue is naturally occurring in their blood rather than originated by the hard work of their ancestors and sustained through themselves.

        Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.

        — Ronald Reagan, 1961

        Now whites, and only whites, created the conditions where liberty might flourish, but it would be a fatal mistake to think whites naturally create freedom rather than merely being strongly disposed to the freedom historically relative to the other races. Every child is born a savage.

        Anyway, not on my watch. And none of this has to do with preserving the stock. That happens on its own, and the more we tinker, the more we pave the way for our enemies to use the same rationale for opposite utopian ends.

        Matt

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:43 pm Earl

      Although I am with you Matt, you have spoken like a good native American. Or a confederate. Rhett Butler is with us. He always was a sucker for a lost cause.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm Anonymous

        I was thinking more along the lines of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a man with BIG BALLS! Get there firstest with the mostest!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:48 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      “But I am American first. My ancestors and people like me built this country and bequeathed it to my generation. It was the first and only country built on an idea so that the cream of every people would be attracted to it: those with intelligence, balls, creativity, energy, courage — out of many, one. It is the light to which the producers of the world rally. It has been so successful that we became bored and started fucking with the formula.”

      Agreed. I would further like to invite anyone who is willing to abandon our country in its time of need to please go ahead and do so now. We don’t need you.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:54 pm Anonymous

        My race is my nation. Fuck the abomination the US has become. It’s time to put the beast down.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:23 am Alex

        Check genetics of the Europeans.

        Celtic, Germanic + Only God knows what else.

        It isn’t abomination, any less than Europeans.

        There is simply no nation on Earth that is genetically homogenous, but still somehow with all that middle Eastern and African genome Europeans are white.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:10 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Your race? And what race is that, precisely? If you’re an American, and you’re white, then chances are very good that you’re an admixture of a good half-dozen countries of origin, each representing multiple ethnic strains from centuries of European warfare and conquest. I’m so pale you could read a book through me if the typeface were sufficiently large, but I’m a mutt just like everyone else—and I bet you are too.

        And if you see this nation as a beast to be put down, then you might as well be a ululating burka-wearing clitidorectomized splodeydope as far as I’m concerned.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:39 am Matthew King

        You’re the only girl for me, hillbillybaby.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:14 pm Greg Eliot

        Gotta luv that ululatin’!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:24 pm corvinus

      Agreed. My ancestral homeland would be the U.K. and I sure as h*ll wouldn’t want to live there.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:06 pm whiskeysplace

      That’s a fool’s game. America is lost. It is dead. It no longer exists, and hasn’t probably since 1990-91 at least.

      America is dead because it is filled with non-Americans. Mexicans specifically. This is not America. This is Amexica, or Mexica, or North North Mexico, or whatever you want. What it is called is beside the point, it is defacto an annex of Mexico, run by Mexicans, Blacks, and elite Whites in alliance, and the demographic facts are that Whites are a minority already in this country. Non-White births outpaced White births for the first time. It will only get worse here on out.

      You can posture all you want, but numbers show that America is already dead. A South African genocide future at the worst, all gringos steadily annihilated by drip-drip-drip tribal raids, backed up by the State, or a general purging and Whites as say, a Black man in Mississippi in 1925 or a Jew in Kaiser’s Germany, at the best is what is in the cards. Likely somewhere between them.

      This is reality. Even if we managed to stave off Amnesty this time (which is unlikely, the big money will force the House Republicans to cave), Amnesty is already baked into the cake with the ones here demanding it, and Whites in Amexica or North North Mexico will have to accept a third-class role as designated hate-symbols and live like it. Even all that money won’t keep the White elite from it, they are fools for thinking it.

      America is dead, accept it. Reality moves onwards, regardless of desire.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:37 pm corvinus

        Put a sock in your negativity.

        The foreign-born Latino birth rate is crashing, and all native-born nonwhites (doesn’t matter what kind) have birth rates below white Americans.
        Immigration is the only thing keeping them afloat.

        The latest amnesty battle isn’t about sticking a knife into us. Rather, it’s an attempt to salvage the Democrat troglodyte coalition, which Gang of Eight members like Lindsay Graham are too stupid to realize. (Marco Rubio is a Trojan Horse: of course he’s looking out for Hispanics first. Don’t be ridiculous.)

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:24 pm tractal

        Nah, whiskey’s just saying the truth bro.

        All you bros getting mad about ‘pessimists’ don’t seem to understand how political power works. Unless there is an actual war there’s almost nothing meaningful you can do about it. You want to go down with ship? Fine, but realize the only meaningful way to do that is to speak publicly, which would mean the end of your career and a ticket to the social hinterlands.

        Cost benefit there isn’t great. One might even say it would be PATHOLOGICALLY altruistic. But that remains you’re only realistic option of resistance. Optimism is fine, but you’re talking like we’re demoralizing the troops when we’ll never even have an army.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 5:27 pm corvinus

        I’m not just saying he’s pessimistic, but he’s also wrong. On the surface, it would appear that he’s telling the truth, but he also denies the absolute fact that leftoid Marxist gimme-gimme population groups cannot have high birth rates forever, that they will inevitably extend their greed to not wanting to support children, and they will eventually start to flag.

        High Latino growth rates have been due to population momentum dating from when they were still Catholic and therefore still willing to sacrifice to support large families due to rewards in the afterlife. This is no longer true. I’ll say it again: white Americans will end up with higher birth rates than the Democrat-voting nonwhites. It is inevitable.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:46 pm Matthew King

        Please. Provide citations for your “reality.” Seventeen percent is not “filled.” You buy into the “historical inevitability” of leftists. Sixty-three (or 78) percent is not “a minority already in this country.”

        “It will only get worse here on out.” Says who? Chuck Schumer? Jeb Bush?

        Like I said, I have no use for cynics without the balls to fight for his birthright. Your instinct to roll over or flee is decidedly not what we need right now. I don’t give a fuck if we are whittled down to ten percent: a man with conviction creates his own majority.

        Except we’re not ten percent. We’re closer to eighty. This typical defeatism-before-the-first-shot-is-fired, this stinkin’ thinkin’ is the product of leftist brainwashing, and as I’ve said above, once you give yourself over to that, it doesn’t matter what your ends are. You become a tool of the enemy, a useful idiot, an instrument directed towards their purposes.

        Avaunt. CH says you’ll have a good time in Europe, and right now you’re stinking up the place.

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:58 pm Greg Eliot

        I think whiskeysplace is correct…

        Doesn’t mean this Jew (points thumb at his own manly chest) is going to take it lying down, when it comes to a brawl… but America, as we know it, is finished.

        I think the best future to hope for, white-wise, is the aforementioned Balkanized breakup into (my Wilmot Robertson termed) Ethnostates.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:55 pm Matthew King

        You are choosing against white people, brother. That’s not just weird coming from you, that’s historically insane.

        I have faith in my people. Also, all other things equal, I go with the odds. Kind of a no brainer.

        The romanticism of the lost cause. That’s one reason why the South lost: they had a nostalgic alternative to winning. Burn your ships like Hector if that will cure your despair. All in.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:28 pm Greg Eliot

        Not sure if it’s historically insane… it might even be inevitable… at least until the Apocalypse. 😉

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:43 pm whiskeysplace

        CA is already minority White and majority Mexican. Future is hereW

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:44 am whiskeysplace

        In Texas, a number of years ago, 75% of kids under 18 were Mexican or Black (and mostly Mexican). America’s historic population does not exist, because it has not had kids. Over 50% of kids born in 2012 were non-White.

        As ground zero, California (I am a native) shows how this works. Mexicans will happily impregnate four, five, six, seven times a little round barrel of a woman, so ugly and short you wonder how any man got on top of her to sire any kids, let alone five or six. But there they are all in tow. The woman looking like a walking barrel. Seriously. Meanwhile White women chase Alphas until they MAYBE have one designer eugenic yuppie baby. Her Mexican counterpart popped out six starting at age 15 or so. [When she was still shaped like a barrel.]

        Like Stalin said, quantity has its own quality. In any political fight, Whites LOSE. ALL (like about 3/4) the young people are non-White. In a real, military fight, Whites also lose. Centralized military power, nukes, etc. make any secession a pipe dream. If it comes to that, DC will simply nuke out of existence any locality that leaves Amexica. Certainly I have no doubt the military will happily annihilate any and all resistance to Diverse Utopia.

        I live in California. I’ve seen it go from paradise to basically Northern Tijuana, missing only the Donkey Shows. You are next. Don’t kid yourself. I don’t plan on sticking around and being herded into some camp. I am realistic. Whites are a race hurtling for extinction and false bravado and that sort of lunacy only makes that time come faster.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:12 am Greg Eliot

        Centralized military power, nukes, etc. make any secession a pipe dream.

        Not if the secessionists have a few nukes of their own… or other viable counter threat, of which there are several possibilities.

        Rev. 20:9 – 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:54 am Matthew King

        The whites didn’t mysteriously disappear à la The Rapture, nor did they die off. They left your blue state paradise for Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, and Texas.

        You look at demographics and pee your underoos. Resident supernatalist Zombie Shane looks at the same picture and gets to work. That’s the difference.

        What is the point of your suicidal depression, anyway? What good are you doing by clucking like Henny Penny about the sky falling? You talk like a bitch. Yours is a different kind of white self-hatred than the left’s version, but a self-hatred all the same.

        Matt

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 8:29 pm corvinus

        +1. I can’t really add anything to what you said right here.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:12 am Canadian Friend

        Whiskeysplace,

        Some may call you defeatists but I think you are a realist.

        things are bad and getting worse fast.

        Whites are an endangered “species” and it is hard to imagine how this could change.

        White liberals have caused something that is almost impossible to stop and even more impossible to reverse.

        On top of this Obama is doing all he can to destroy the US economy by doing such things as raising the debt to unsustainable levels never seen in human history( among many other bad things for the USA )

        the connection between the two?

        the Cloward Piven strategy; create a crisis which will require drastic measures, then use the occasion to implement changes that in normal times would be impossible to impose.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:30 am Greg Eliot

        Please. Provide citations for your “reality.” Seventeen percent is not “filled.”

        True, but…

        Alas, it only takes around 20% to 25% for a neighborhood to “turn”… as the parlance goes in the real estate game… and for white flight to begin in earnest… out of necessity, for one’s sanity… if not one’s life and limb.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:35 am Matthew King

        There is nowhere for “white flight” to flee to, CH’s afternoon diversions notwithstanding. It’s stand your ground time, and fuck Trayvon.

        Besides, my fathers built this country. I am doing my part. I’m not going anywhere.

        I am interested to hear more about how fresh, don’t-give-a-shit Russians right off the boat are kicking the níggers out of their own ghettos in NYC, or even the beaner gangs claiming Compton.

        What’s with all this tail-tucking and scurrying away? Go watch Gran Torino three times and a row, have a couple shots of rye, and let’s get to work.

        Matt

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:22 am Canadian Friend

        Matt,

        it does not matter if you kick out third worlders out of your neighborhood …

        because the government keeps importing more of them everyday and they have more kids than whites

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:20 pm Greg Eliot

        I fully agree the time has come where there’s, as Martha and her Vandellas so aptly sang, “nowhere to run to”.

        I was just hammering home a point about how even a mere 17% is cause enough for alarm, not cavalier dismissal… especially since it’s 17% and growing… and thus far there ain’t enough don’t-give-a-shit Ivans piling out onto the docks of the Hudson.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:17 pm Mr.magNIFicent1

        But Matt, how many divisions do the BabyBoomers have? The SoshaCureity generation (I mean the Greatest Generation)? The SWPLs? Isn’t this the meaningful figure?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:28 am Anonymous

        I think you fail to distinguish between the United States and California.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:54 pm Tony

        @whiskeysplace

        You’re right on many levels, but America is not dead yet. True the Mexicans, blacks, and liberal whites are in cahoots and have been trying to seize complete control of this country in the last 40 years, but still the fight is not over. We must fight, and if we will fight we will win. We are right in our struggle as well as smarter than them, and we will win. But not if we give up and say America is dead so move on. This is defeatist speak which the liberals are well versed in. Defeatist speak is why America never wins wars any more.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm Danny

      Matt if you aren’t current or former military, you sound like someone the Marines could use. Rah!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:49 pm Ulf E

      @ Matthew King – Great writing and great points. I agree completely.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:44 pm Ulf E

        Addendum. Not the later ones on race.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:37 am Matthew King

        Pussy.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:22 pm Greg Eliot

        You vaccilating fairy.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:33 pm Richard

      I’m a white anglo-saxon, conservative, 140+ I.Q. male, and I agree with Matthew King here. Read Ayn Rand to understand why the idea of “America” was so powerful, and why it should become powerful again.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:12 am bluegrass

        All of Ayn Rand’s character’s were caricature Aryans in appearance and demeanor, and though she called race “mystical anti-individualist drivel,” or something along those lines, still was devoutly and hypocritically pro-Israel out of unconscious group loyalty to her Jewish ancestry.

        Libertarianism has its perks but the system completely collapses in the face of group conflict dynamics. Maximizing individuality might make your free-markets hyper efficient, but your society will be completely defenseless against collusion by groups with strong ingroup-outgroup psychology. Not surprisingly, Jews make up a huge proportion of famous libertarian intellectuals (Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand..etc). Its a very appealing ideology to them as a group because it fundamentally dilutes their gentile competitors group cohesion and consciousness by making their members rabidly individualistic. Their ideology may be nothing more than a covert pro-Jewish strategy.

        Its quite sad to see the 20-something White male cohort become so enamored with libertarianism, since this is the single group that most needs an ideology of strong group cohesion in their increasingly divided and multicultural homelands. Less Rand Paul, more Pat Buchanan.

        Libertarianism couldn’t exist in a non-White country, but establishment libertarians are currently some of the most open-border supporters out there.

        All seems to fit a theme.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:21 pm Mr.magNIFicent1

        excellent observations

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm Greg Eliot

        All of Ayn Rand’s character’s were caricature Aryans in appearance and demeanor..

        +11… I’ve always said this myself… nice to see I wasn’t alone in my impression.

        .. and though she called race “mystical anti-individualist drivel,” or something along those lines, she was devoutly and hypocritically pro-Israel out of unconscious group loyalty to her Jewish ancestry.

        Yeah, well… leopard’s spots, and all that.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:38 pm A.Ralston

        “Not surprisingly, Jews make up a huge proportion of famous libertarian intellectuals (Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand..etc).”

        Rockwell is Catholic. Neither Friedman, who advocated fiat debt-money central banking, nor Rand, whose Objectivist supplicants mongered stupid wars, were libertarian. A few well-known libertarians such as Walter Block or Peter Schiff are Jewish, but the movement’s origins and development are by far and away a White European/American Male phenomenon.

        “Libertarianism couldn’t exist in a non-White country, but establishment libertarians are currently some of the most open-border supporters out there.”

        Point acknowledged. But in a libertarian society ranchers, farmers, and other landowners along the borders would be free to arm themselves, to organize voluntarily, and to defend their property with lethal force. Moreover, no immigrant-attractants such as the various welfare entitlements would not exist. Nor would the instruments of global tyranny of which the Jews and their collaborators have availed themselves – fiat debt money, income and property taxation, government schooling, militarized police, gun control, and the various corporate monopolies enabled by state coercion.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:25 pm A.Ralston

        Correction: …no immigrant-attractants such as the various welfare entitlements would exist.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 7:22 am bluegrass

        Ayn Rand, from wiki:

        “Rand was born Alisa Zinov’yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум) on February 2, 1905, to a bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg. She was the eldest of the three daughters of Zinovy Zakharovich Rosenbaum and his wife, Anna Borisovna (née Kaplan), largely non-observant Jews.”

        Milton Friedman, from wiki:

        “Friedman was born in Brooklyn, New York, to recent Jewish immigrants Sára Ethel (née Landau) and Jenő Saul Friedman,[16]”

        Murray Rothbard, from wiki:

        “Rothbard was born to Jewish parents, David and Rae Rothbard, and raised in Bronx, New York. His father, a chemist, “emigrated to the United States from a Polish shtetl in 1910, impoverished and knowing not a word of English”,[24] while his mother came from Russia.[25]

        I forgot to mention Ludwig Von Mises, from wiki:

        “Ludwig von Mises was born to wealthy Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, in Galicia, Austria-Hungary.”

        I had always assumed Lew Rockwell was a Jews for Jesus kind of guy; a converted catholic who still held on to his idea of Jewish ancestry, but it appears I was wrong. In fact, googling his name alongside “anti-semitism,”has shown that he’s gotten a lot of flak from the organized Jewish community.

        Now, I’m not saying that all these Jewish libertarians thought to themselves: “lets ruin gentile group cohesion by covertly espousing hyper-individualism libertarianism in order to secure Jewish group interests.”

        However, libertarianism itself is highly amenable to Jewish group interests as a diaspora minority within hosts societies. If their host society puts a lot of emphasis on their identity and homogeneity, Jewish cohesion, ethnic nepotism, and ingroup-outgroup conduct will inevitably lead to group conflict with gentiles.

        With libertarianism, any group identity or racialism becomes an abhorrent “collectivism,” thus leading the vaunted “individualists,” pretty much enslaved to the power of the organized Jewish community.

        With these Jewish libertarians, its really hard to say. A lot of the disproportion could simply be high Jewish verbal I.Q. However, since the ideology itself does not specifically look after White interests, which is something Whites extremely need in our modern era, but neither does it specifically has tenets specifically supporting Jewish group interests. However, what’s so fascinating with Jewish activists political activists is that they can act as if their Jewish identity is meaningless, but then very, very quickly become rabbid zionists or Jewish activists if Jewish group interests become threatened.

        Something very descriptive of this phenomenon is Ayn Rand calling Arabs “almost totally primitive savages,” in this video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU) I believe this was filmed a few years after the Yom Kippur war.

        She devoutly pro-Israel, but Israel itself is a ethno-state whose primary purpose is to secure the existence of the Jewish people. Very “collectivist” idea, I’d say, and far away from an objectivist nation. In some ways, you can never tell, but in other ways, it suspiciously always seems to fit a theme.

        Also, to not come across as a obsessive of the semites, this criticism of libertarianism also coincides with other highly cohesive groups, like the Chinese.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm tractal

        “All seems to fit a theme.”

        Yeah, the theme is libertarianism. You are right to point out that Jewish thinkers are influenced by the fact of their being Jewish, probably significantly influenced. Rand for instance was likely subconsciously inclined to be critical of group centered political theory, because as a Jew there is no way she could be the exemplar American in such a system.

        But at least in Rand’s case its not a conscious bias, and certainly not anti-white malice. She was actually one of the strongest pro-Western chauvinists of the 20th century. She hated relativism, worshiped America and ancient Greece, and generally canonized dead white males. She thought intellectual and creativity ability were the highest virtues, and had a corresponding attitude towards history.

        You’re right though to note she would’ve backed open borders. Seems awfully convenient, but actually the morality of open borders follows trivially from her deep libertarian assumptions.

        Rand was ultimately trying to defend a moral system that tolerated human inequality. Unfortunately, that is really hard to do, since thought experiments about “what is the right thing” always lead to “the most altruistic thing possible”, which then gives radical egalitarianism. Libetarianism is an appealing way out, because it uses moral intuition about rights and property to make it appear morally wrong for the state to interfere with the marketplace, which then means that alpha genius capitalist bros have a right to be the princes of society, which is what Rand ultimately wanted. Relatedly, she disliked feminism.

        All said, Rand would be the last place I’d complain about malign Jewish intellectual movements. She was a sincere ideologue, but her subconscious motivations were pretty admirable and natural as things go. She just wanted John Galt, and she didn’t want him to have to apologize.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm Suburban_elk

      Future inchoate
      dreams resolved
      tomorrow passing the time

      Finally alone
      streams evolved
      berries and leeches and thyme

      There was a River
      south of here

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:08 am Ewan McTeagle

        Awesome…

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 1:56 pm Tony

      “But I am American first. My ancestors and people like me built this country and bequeathed it to my generation. It was the first and only country built on an idea so that the cream of every people would be attracted to it: those with intelligence, balls, creativity, energy, courage — out of many, one. ”

      +10
      well said.

      ” We are not genetically determined, we are culturally and morally determined. You are both poison fruit from the same Frankfurt tree. ”

      +100

      [CH: Except that the statement is wrong, unless M. King would like to argue that genes are hogwash.]

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:13 pm Tony

        I don’t think he meant that genes are unimportant. Clearly they are important, as we see this in the differences between races. However, America is a country based on a set of ideas, not a place for a race of people to restructure in their image. A homeland for the white race is not America The white race has Europe, and it is its true homeland. America is homeland to a set of ideas which transcends race, color, religion, or ethnicity. Those ideas are in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. As long as we stuck to those ideas we were protected. The moment we started to veer form those ideas we got unwanted immigration, feminism, homosexuality, terrorism, the welfare state, a bad economy, the destruction of the family, etc…….

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:52 pm Greg Eliot

        The Founding Fathers did not intend any transcending of race, color, or religion, you fool.

        They attempted to establish a Christian nation for white men free of the shackles of European monarchy and the downside the latter entailed in re individual pursuit of happiness in matters of worship and economics.

        If they were alive today, you’d be screaming RAY-CISS!!! and FASHISSS!!! at the top of your lungs.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 8:30 am Tony

        “They attempted to establish a Christian nation for white men free of the shackles of European monarchy and the downside the latter entailed in re individual pursuit of happiness in matters of worship and economics.”

        No. Their purpose was not to establish a Christian nation, although that was the byproduct. America is a set of ideas and ideals based on Judeo-christian ethics, which are also known as western values. It was not created as a homeland for white people per se, although it’s implied that America is a utopia created by whites for whites.

        History of religion in America starts here:

        “Judeo-Christian or Judaeo-Christian (also Abrahamism) is a term used in a historical sense, especially in the United States, to refer to the connections between the precursors of Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism in the Second Temple period.”

        “The term “Jewish-Christian” had been used in this sense as early as 1785 in Richard Watson’s essay “The Teaching and Witness of the Holy Spirit”,[4] and “Jewish Christian” (as an adjective) as early as 1644 in William Rathband’s A Briefe Narration of Some Church Courses.[5] “Jewish–Christian” is used in 1841 to mean a combination of Jewish and Christian beliefs,[6] and by 1877 to mean a common Jewish–Christian culture, used in the phrase “the Jewish–Christian character of…traditions”.[7]”

        “The present meaning of “Judeo-Christian” regarding ethics first appeared in print on July 27, 1939, with the phrase “the Judaeo-Christian scheme of morals” in the New English Weekly.[9] The term gained much currency in the 1940s, promoted by groups which evolved into the National Conference of Christians and Jews, to fight antisemitism by expressing a more inclusive idea of American values rather than just Christian or Protestant.[10][11] By 1952 Dwight Eisenhower looked to the Founding Fathers of 1776 to say:

        “all men are endowed by their Creator.” In other words, our form of government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith, and I don’t care what it is. With us of course it is the Judeo-Christian concept, but it must be a religion with all men created equal.[12] ”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm eyeslevel

        The constitution was established for “ourselves and our posterity”. That means white people.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:35 pm Ulf E

        @ Tony – Well put. Without the Counter-Enlighnment there would have been no problems.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:33 pm Matthew King

        We are not genetically determined. If we were, blacks in America would speak with clicks and buzzes rather than in Ebonics. Stalin would never be dictator because he was too short. Children of immigrants would have their parents’ accents.

        Genes are limiters and influencers. They are not ultimately determinative of a man’s fate.

        This is not even close to controversial. But sounding out the idols of pseudoscience is verboten because its positivists have so much invested in it as an epistemology. They dare not examine the edges of their methodology lest they throw their very identity into question. It is easier to shut one’s eyes and yell “hogwash” at the skeptics and apostates.

        Look, we’re all truthtelling men here. We don’t have to counterbalance the lies of the left when we speak among each other. I am pro-white and pro-racist, but we don’t have to exercise solidarity in ideology when we talk shop with ourselves, afraid that our nuanced positions will be taken as sympathy for the left.

        Matt

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  17. on July 2, 2013 at 1:06 pm Earl

    I’m forming a private military company to storm the shores of Somalia to set up a theonomic kingdom as a headquarters to spread the gospel worldwide by word or sword. Who’s with me?

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm Greg Eliot

      Ah, The Man Who Would Be King, eh?

      My kingdom is not of this earth. 😉

      But what the hey, private armies are the next decade’s private schools… so I’m in.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm Matthew King

        They both die at the end. SPOILER ALERT.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm Earl

        Yeah, but I’m a preterist.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:53 pm Greg Eliot

        Damn, you scared me for a second there… I was nearly out as soon as I was in.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm Anonymous

      I rather like the idea. Where do I sign up?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:20 pm thwack

        Will there be a coloured regiment?

        wait a minute… you tryin to trick me into goin back to africa?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:01 pm Greg Eliot

        Thwackie, old man, I’ll fight shoulder-to-shoulder with you, any day…

        But, yes, you’re going to have to stay there, once the fight is done. 😉

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm Earl

        No, once landed, we’re doing this Alexander the Great style. All your soldiers are belong to us (Christ).

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:59 pm Earl

        Yes, but strictly segregated. Women will be nurses too.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 5:17 am Gracian

        ROFL! This guy is funny.

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  18. on July 2, 2013 at 1:08 pm feministx

    I think about this a lot. And I also have pondered many of these points.

    Much of what I have though is already written here, but I will add some things from my perspective.

    Americans being a mix of European ancestries affects their disposition. I am one thing. I am a South Indian Brahmin and my ancestry has been exactly and only that for 1000 years at least. I am different from white Americans, not just because I am very racially different, but also because I am pure bred and inbred. There are some quintessentially American things that occur because white Americans are different from me. For example, Americans raise their kids with this idea of “you could be anything” when you grow up. They have their kid and tell them in total sincerity, “you could be president one day.” Your kid picks up a baseball glove or something when they are 4 and you feel like there is a chance that your kid could be great at it. American parents take their 4 yr olds to ballet lesson on Monday, art lesson on Tuesday, gymnastics on Wednesday in part because they don’t know what their kid can do. They don’t know what their kid can excel at.

    I went to gifted math and science programs since middle school. There were many other Indian kids in these programs. One thing the white kids would talk about was how it was so annoying for them to have to take a different bus than their siblings who went to a different school because they were not also gifted in math and science. That’s the law of odds. But every single Indian kid I knew had siblings that went to the same school. That’s what it is to be deeply inbred. Whatever your sibling is, you will be the same. We know our children will not ever become great athletes or artists. We are born and we will be very good at math and science and academics. But it is very American to grow up and believe in your possibilities and in the opportunity to stake your fortune doing whatever comes to you as an individual. Americans need their wide genetic diversity to have that sense of possibility. When you are born, your parents don’t know what combination of traits you got.

    And Europeans do not belong here physically just like I do not belong here physically. It’s ok, but it’s not ideal. I remember once in college I went to the carribean on spring break after being in college in the north east all winter. My white colleagues “pre-tanned”- a thing I had never conceived of. And they made sure to wear sunscreen. I never thought about any of this, so I went and basked in the sun from 9am to 4pm without any SPF for days and days straight. And you know what happened to me? Nothing. I tanned somewhat and not even to my full capacity. I certainly did not burn. My white colleagues, however, looked like a torch fell on them if they missed sunscreen anywhere. And apparently, human beings can turn lavender. Who knew?

    Where you come from affects who you are. And people like me know it- people who are only from one place. Our loyalty will always be to that one place. Brazillians may come to America and feel no loyalty to anywhere in particular, but people like me- Indians, Koreans, Chinese- we know where we are from and we would largely leave this country out of simple convenience if things even started to go downhill consistently.

    I ask you this- if a meteor was going to hit the earth and we could only save one region of the world with an atmospheric bubble, where would you put the bubble? Over America or over Europe? Where is your loyalty? Mine is not here.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:21 pm Greg Eliot

      I ask you this- if a meteor was going to hit the earth and we could only save one region of the world with an atmospheric bubble, where would you put the bubble? Over America or over Europe? Where is your loyalty? Mine is not here.

      I love it when the “others” make our WN point for us.

      No matter how successful or “Americanized” non-whites are or seem to be, they will NEVER be truly at one with us… best to separate and let each kind pursuit their respective cultural, political and, indeed, genetic destinies.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm thwack

        I love it when the “others” make our WN point for us.
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        Yeah like talking about how great their native culture is, from the safety, security and prosperity of the good ol USA

        VERY annoying.

        “go tha fuck back to africa”; and take your red dots, curry, and monkey gods with you.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:53 pm feministx

        White guys are generally hotter than Indian guys. And black guys too for that matter. If not for these facts, my motivation for leaving would be considerably stronger if America started to get more unpleasant to live in somehow.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm Earl

        I saw that in the Marine Corps too. Women joined because that’s where the hot doodz are. I can’t wait until women are property again.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 11:48 pm spunky

        hell white women are way hotter than indian women…even some black women.notice that the hottest indian girls can pass for italian

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:12 pm OralCummings

        Indeed. Why DONT you go back,Miss Science and Math?? I hear they had a nationwide blackout in dear old Inja. People be sellin theu kidneys for a six pack of Corona.Lepers and all that shit still going on. Yes go back and fix your ONn fucking country. Thats what all the pro-immigartion cocksuckers are all blubbering about:We need these smarties HERE. No we dont;these countries have a huge amount of work to do–why drain their so-called best and brightest(In reality,people like you just wanna get the fuck away from all the non-Brahmin Indian motherfuckers and live off what the white man has built)??

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm feministx

        But north American whites are their own thing as they are a mix of different European ancestries and often a bit of native American too. If we all have to go home, I know where I will go. I know it to the street address. Where white americans would choose to go is a bit arbitrary in most cases.

        And if we did all go home, you don’t have much grounds for kicking mestizos out of the southern half of this country.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        In a way, European-Americans of mixed ethnic ancestries are even more European than the Europeans, as they represent a sort of Proto-European race before Europeans split up into the smaller nations.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:35 pm feministx

        This is an interesting perspective. As they are more genetically diverse, I suspect white americans are in some ways more capable than their European counterparts, who appear to have more specialized characters.

        I work with a German company, and it is quite interesting to see how they can operate. They have forms for clients to fill out that are arcane and require 10 hours of detailed work. I find this fascinating because they live in a culture where they can simply expect their clients to put their heads to the grind for hours and hours and produce detailed complex work. Why? Because they are all German and they can expect this out of each other. We in the US have a hard time adapting their products because they don’t understand that we cannot expect all of our clients to work this diligently.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm RJ

        The southwest was largely empty until trains and powered irrigation came in the late 19th century. The only significant populations were in east Texas and along the California coast. Before the railroads, there were probably less than 50,000 people between Fort Worth and the California mountains. Not much reason to justify the millions from Oaxaca and Chiapas that live there now.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm yellow american

        feministx over-generalizes and speaks for herself. I’m a 1st generation American, East Asian. Am I proud of my ethnic and racial heritage? Sure. As much as white Americans are proud of their European roots.

        But in tribal nationality, I am an American citizen and patriot.

        I’m an Army veteran who has served America and the American people honorably and to the best of my ability. I’ve given oaths of loyalty to this nation that I take seriously, more seriously I might add than many of my fellow – white – soldiers took them. When I became a soldier, General George Washington joined my lineage. The Founding Fathers are my ancestors. If it comes down to a Red Dawn scenario, I’m a Wolverine.

        Nor am I alone. There are other Asian American Men like me. Veterans. Don’t think we haven’t noticed that we are more loyal to America and care more about the fate of America, especially the ideal America, than are many white Americans whose fathers built this country.

        We want to contribute to a great America for our children so we hope the established caretakers among our countrymen correct course and get America right. But if the kind of surrender and retreat that Heartiste is proposing is the best whites can do, then maybe new blood is needed to lead America and make us as we should be.

        We the “model minority” are ready to step up, take the reins, and make America great if whites no longer have the gumption to lead.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:49 pm Naz

        What type of unit were you with?

        I am a white European (1st generation) and I served 3.5 years with the marine corps infantry, including two deployments to Afghanistan. In my experience, the combat units are White-over-represented, Black-underrepresented, Asian-underrepresented, Latino-about proportional.

        It seems like the White guys were the ones who bought into patriotism and duty, as well as the Asians and Latinos who were there. Most blacks I knew in the military joined for the benefits and paycheck, hence why most of them went to non-combat technical jobs. In my first platoon, there was one black guy out of 35 marines, in my second, there were two. One of them was an infantryman from Georgia, very happy go-lucky, he was a good marine and kind of the stereotypical black guy from the south. The other guy was called Oreo because he acted white, had white interests, and was married to a white woman, but he was an engineer, not infantryman, so he doesn’t count as a combatant.

        Anyways, my bad for the rant, but in the military it seems that Whites are the most patriotic.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:29 pm thwack

        Anyways, my bad for the rant, but in the military it seems that Whites are the most patriotic.
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        You gotta be kiddin me?

        You guys are also the quickest to sell secrets to the enemy, commit treason…

        Ever notice how whenever a spy gets caught, or somebody leaks government secrets, its a white male?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:03 pm Greg Eliot

        Yeah, but what are invariably the last four letters of his name?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:46 pm Canadian Friend

        “…Ever notice how whenever a spy gets caught, or somebody leaks government secrets, its a white male?…”

        Black men do the opposite; they hide secrets

        example; Obama’s shady past

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:01 pm Matthew King

        -ning? -wden? ssen? Ames?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm Greg Eliot

        I was talking about the BIG secrets… and besides, look at all the spying that went on, giving the keys to the kingdom back during the Cold War, by names we AREN’T privy to.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:46 pm Naz

        Maybe because white men tend to reach the top levels of the military/intelligence community due to high I.Q./good work ethic? I don’t know about spies man, I can only speak from personal experience as a grunt in the shithole.

        Case in point: December 26, 2010. One of the days that’s burned into my mind. A marine gunnery sergeant, both legs blown off, we eventually put tourniquets and pressure dressings on both legs, checked for secondary wounds, and the corpsman put the IV line in (he lived). Coming back from the medevac site, the black marine from Georgia said jokingly “niggas gettin their legs blown of and sheet, Taliban win, we done man we done.” Sure he was joking, but the white/latino marines were the ones who got pissed, the black marine didn’t. Don’t get me wrong, he was a great guy, but I honestly have no idea why he was in the infantry.

        BTW, that story you posted was from WW2, when the military was still segregated. Let me give you a word of advice: don’t tell a marine that the marine corps can go fuck itself, you may have a fight on your hands you can’t walk away from.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm thwack

        Most blacks I knew in the military joined for the benefits and paycheck, hence why most of them went to non-combat technical jobs.
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        The Marine corpse can go eat a dick.

        “Smith was one of thousands of African Americans who joined the Marine Corps during World War II and then learned they would be shipped off to a separate boot camp for blacks and serve in segregated support units commanded by white officers.”

        http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2011-10-26/first-black-marines-honored/50945902/1

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:21 pm Arred Wade

      Texas

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm Greg Eliot

        Touche’

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm thwack

      I am one thing. I am a South Indian Brahmin and my ancestry has been exactly and only that for 1000 years at least.
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      Just another STORY she made up to inflate her ego.

      This bitch is mexican and she know it.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm Greg Eliot

        She may merely be Dravidian… she did say South Indian, after all. 😉

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm feministx

        I am plenty dravidian I would think based on how I look, which is cool. Built in SPF is kinda awesome.

        That’s because caste intermarrying regulations get more or less strict over time in cycles. At some points, people will intermingle. Jews from England look different Jews from Iran for a reason too.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:05 pm Greg Eliot

        So… did they make you an honorary Brahmin, then? lulz

        I bet in a former life you were Cleopatra… I notice when women speak of reincarnation, they never seem to have been just a regular handmaiden or water bearer.

        llozozolzlzozozlzlzozozllzlzl

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:19 pm feministx

        “So… did they make you an honorary Brahmin, then? ”

        some centuries ago, Brahmins in my region may have accepted disciples who were not of Brahmin birth. They may also have taken non-brahmin concubines (though they have not in the last several hundred years). So, yes, they did make some people honorary Brahmins, which is why some of us are less caucasoid than others.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm feministx

        Reincarnation is not possible other than that your atoms will inevitably be recycled through the biosphere. Given the evidence we have of the world, no one has a former life or an after life. This is it.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:32 pm Canadian Friend

        Most women I have dated say exactly that; in a previous life they were a queen ( never a lowly villager’s wife )

        Such “grandiosity” delusions used to be considered a psychological dysfunction

        Now under the new leftist/feminist establishment
        insanity is sanity,
        up is down,
        night is day
        …

        and they call themselves progressives?

        we are regressing to medieval times, that is where we are “progressing to”

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:54 am Syd Barrett

        feministx : Let me explain this paradox in simple terms for you, and its not because of intermarriage.

        Jews in Iran = Sephardi
        Jews in England = Ashkenazic

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:29 pm RJ

      Feministx, yep. And that is a big factor in how this is going to play out. There’s one thing nobody ever mentions about immigration. In the big wave that came to the U.S. between 1880-1920, half went home within ten years. Half! And more left between 1930-1940 during the depression. The only reason so many have stayed from this wave is government benefits. Most of them have no loyalty to this country at all and will go back if it gets tough. Aging and retiring boomers are drying up the benefit money. As soon as interest rates spike the whole thing will wreck. And immigrants will flee.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:59 am feministx

        People seem really angry at me here for stating that my loyalties cannot be that strong to the US, but why should they? Indians have been here for about 3 decades in large numbers. We are barely part of the fabric of this country. When I was a kid, they told me how George Washington could not tell a lie about cutting down a cherry tree. I saw some school house rock cartoons about the bill of rights. Now I should adopt the founding fathers as my ancestors? (absurd).

        I cannot belong fully in this country unless I have a child with someone who really does belong in this country. Then my future’s place would be in what this country stands for, wherever that country may move to.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:31 pm Matthew King

      Where is your loyalty? Mine is not here.

      Which is why the solution is for people like you to GTFO, not people like me.

      Meantime, we did the exact opposite and put your treacherous ilk in charge. Out of a misguided sense of noblesse oblige! But we should peaceably remove ourselves? Like fuck I will.

      I too am pure bred. But I am of the breed that dominated the planet, not the one that swarms like writhing black worms in the hot places of the world, waiting for The White Man’s Burden to humanize them. My people did not invent the Anglosphere, but my cousins did, and my ancestors understood the value of adopting the superior culture, nostalgia be damned.

      You can’t even get your gods straight.

      Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:08 pm feministx

        I can only be what I am. I am not white. I am not of the stock that created the constitution or John Locke. You can get angry at me for being aware that the environment that I live in was not really created for me or for my temperament.

        “But I am of the breed that dominated the planet, not the one that swarms like writhing black worms in the hot places of the world”

        My kind does not dominate planets, and I get the impression that we really don’t care. My kind happens to be docile. I believe that the British once controlled the whole of India which then had a population of 400 million with a couple of thousand soldiers. How? Because we don’t even try to fight let alone conquer others.

        But we do have something. After Christianity and Islam made it their first purpose to rid the world of idol worshippers (why I cannot know), we are the ones that are still here, and there are a billion of us. The others are gone from Egypt and Europe, but in India the idols are still there.

        Hinduism is intricately linked with bloodlines, so there is no external conversion, but the other major religion from India, Bhuddism, is starting to do quite well in the world domination game. These days better than yours because it attracts the more desired followers- celebrities, SWPLs, people who will call themselves Bhuddist Episcopalians or Bhuddist Catholics.

        And I have noticed that yoga classes are getting more and more orthodox (and yoga was a religious practice to begin with). In my perfectly mainstream gym, a few yoga teachers give 10 minute lectures about shiva or vegetarianism or sanskrit parables. It seems all the pretty girls are leaving your altar for mine with its talk of meditation and heart centers.

        But Catholicism is growing quite nicely in Sub Saharan Africa I see.

        We do not fight crusades or colonize or proselytize, but we are still here. And your people are coming to us.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:44 am Canadian Friend

        I saw a documentary about India a couple weeks ago on PBS; most people in India do not have internal plumbing, they defecate just anywhere, the smell of shit is everywhere.

        Again, this was in a PBS documentary.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:26 pm Omega_Dork

        I have been to India. The smell of shit isn’t everywhere. In fact, I can’t remember smelling shit there — except my own in the bathroom.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:47 am Canadian Friend

        Not internal but indoor plumbing…

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:32 am Matthew King

        Catholicism isn’t doing so bad on the subcontinent either, brown sugar.

        You make my point for me by confessing you are from a bovine people. Your passive feminine culture taken together with your passive feminine nature, of course you have no idea what I’m talking about.

        “It seems all the pretty girls are leaving your altar…” because you saw it a couple times in your anecdotal experiences. Female solipsism, you never fail.

        Anyway, you are trying to simultaneously be a nihilist and a Hindu spiritualist, identify yourself with a certain culture while not believing in a word of it. I know that sort of dipshit contradiction is popular among you cowpeople but it’s just the sort of thing that fucks the world up when we put your kind in charge.

        I can only be what I am. I am not white.

        You can’t be white, but you can be Christian, like millions of your fellow countrymen. Maybe then you will learn to live better in your adopted nation and this superior culture.

        Matt

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:24 pm feministx

        “Anyway, you are trying to simultaneously be a nihilist and a Hindu spiritualist, identify yourself with a certain culture while not believing in a word of it. ”

        It’s common for people whose ethnic heritage and culture is tied with the religion. Many people call themselves Jewish atheists too. I am culturally Hindu. I cannot change what I came from and what I was raised with. I have no plans of putting up a Christmas tree. And I am agnostic.

        “You can’t be white, but you can be Christian, like millions of your fellow countrymen. Maybe then you will learn to live better in your adopted nation and this superior culture.”

        No one is requiring me to be a Christian to be in America. If they were, I would be leaving much faster. And white people are not going back to Europe. That is not a real thing that is going to happen.

        But this is a real thing: this country is allowing in hundreds of thousands of more Hindus each year. Their descendants are unlikely to convert to Christianity. They will either stay Hindu or become non-believing.

        I can be net tax paying, law abiding and seemingly assimilated, but I am what I was born to be. My kind has long been only interested in work as monks and yogis and such that withdraw from the world and meditate on eternal questions of human nature and the nature of the universe. Christians are different. They value a civic contract. Churches encourage charity and help for all kinds of people. Christianity is not an ethical system that supports only withdrawing into the self to stay immersed in contemplation.

        We keep inviting more high caste Hindus here. My kind is now the highest earning and best educated minority in the country. The modern world is well suited to our cognitive skills, and we are likely to gain clout in America over time.

        In time, we may alter the principles of this culture due to our different way of thinking. Haitians can come here and endager the country by parasitism. But my kind can come here and in a way threaten the country with a prospect of ideological and philosophical change that comes simply with intellectual leadership.

        You have asked me to become Christian so I can fit into your “superior” culture. I am not able to do this. But your descendents may end up becoming something else so they fit into what my kind influences this culture into becoming.

        [CH: Numbers matter. Since you are a secular member of a small minority in a country in which M. King is a member of a majority, it’s more likely your hypothetical kids will be subsumed into his borg rather than his kids subsumed into your borg.]

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 9:11 am feministx

        “[CH: Numbers matter. Since you are a secular member of a small minority in a country in which M. King is a member of a majority, it’s more likely your hypothetical kids will be subsumed into his borg rather than his kids subsumed into your borg.]”

        Inevitably, people here will become Americanized. But even while believing the basic principles of democracy and American values, people will bring their own way of thinking and behaving into that.

        I suggest that the presence of my ethnic group may affect the intellectual principles of this culture because I have seen the influence of Jews in this culture. I do not dislike Jews, but it seems to me that they are overrepresented in shaping ideologies of foriegn policy and the humanities. If not for Jews, would the WASPs by themselves have taken feminism and anti-white establishment to where it is now? At 2% of the population, it seems to me that they altered general cultural values considerably because they were paranoid about a hierarchy that seemed to favor Christian whites of northern European descent.

        South Asians have no axe to grind here. They are not here to dismantle American culture, but inadvertantly, they may influence it into becoming different by successfully expressing themselves as ideologues in different spheres.

        Numbers matter, but even a few people can instigate considerable cultural changes. Buddha was only one. It was enough for China.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 9:16 am Matthew King

        I am agnostic.

        Nice try. No, you’re not:

        Reincarnation is not possible other than that your atoms will inevitably be recycled through the biosphere. Given the evidence we have of the world, no one has a former life or an after life. This is it.

        This is called “eliminative materialism.” Now, even if you can’t grasp the distinction, at least realize that what you consider to be obvious, settled answers based on “the evidence we have of the world” are merely one epistemological approach among a great many and offer conjecture little different from religious faith.

        In truth you are a western secularist when convenient, and “cultural” Hindu when it comes to owing something back to the west, which not only taught you secularism but gives you the intellectual space (and freedom) to exercise that philosophy (and your jéwy flip-flopping).

        But this is a real thing: this country is allowing in hundreds of thousands of more Hindus each year. …

        Everything that follows this quote of yours is pure La-Raza-like takeover fantasy. You and the paranoid tail-tuckers like whiskeysplace should get together and diddle each other.

        Obviously, I’m far more sanguine about NAM infiltration than wetbacks and fence-jumpers and permanently-former-slaves with a chip on their shoulder. But you are simply out of your mind if you think we will sell out the pinnacle of human achievement, this exemplar of the Christendom that created modernity, for a char-broiled supine paganism that makes the world smell of shit. Despite our appreciation for yoga pants.

        You have segregated yourself from my country — quite brazenly — while taking advantage of her hard won freedoms. You are living in a dreamworld if you believe this to be a sustainable arrogance. We are not all douchey one-world multiculti Teach-The-World-To-Sing associate professors at Oberlin, though they happen to have the mic right now. We don’t really talk much at all. We just act. So choose up your side, pawn. (Protip: in war, do not side with the bovine.)

        At any rate, you are clueless about what would entice a tidal wave of NAMs to this nation. They are here to take advantage of the prosperity which proceeds from freedom. If “their descendants are unlikely to convert to Christianity,” and “they will either stay Hindu or become non-believing,” then we turn this City on a Hill into just one more brown shithole (but without the climate amenable to “built-in SPF” types).

        In other words, remove the support for the prosperity that brings people here in the first place, you remove the incentive for them to come at all.

        In other other words, naturalize and become culturally American, or go where the huddled masses yearn to breathe dung. You can straddle my white dick, but you can’t straddle the fence on this one. The blowback is very slowly playing out, and you are in for a rude shock if you think a fiercely proud people will lay down and allow mud to wash over them, our SWPL dilly-dallying of the last forty years notwithstanding.

        Matt

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 9:19 am Matthew King

        P.S. Now go celebrate Independence Day, ingrate.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 10:52 am Kate

        Yes, a happy fourth to all. Last night I watched the most beautiful fireworks from my bedroom window, waking up the munchkin so she could see them too. Let’s remember to keep our sense of awe at what we do have and be inspired to preserve it. Individual action is what will make the difference. If revolution is not to come on a grand scale, it can be done in one’s own life. Create your own worlds. Each seedling of man here properly planted would achieve the growth you desire. Live long and prosper…and procreate.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm Nyk

        Ironically the Indo-European religion lives on in India, while we Whites have adopted a semitic religion.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:59 pm Greg Eliot

        It’s not unusual for an “outsider” to gain majority hold in another land… a prophet has no honor in his own country, so the saying goes… Buddhism struck large in China, Christ amongst Europeans

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 9:39 am PA

        swarms like writhing black worms in the hot places of the world, waiting for The White Man’s Burden to humanize them.

        good one!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm Earl

      Oh great 😦 That’s all we needed: a Druish Princess.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:18 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Funny, she doesn’t look Druish.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm Greg Eliot

        +1

        Some of my best friends are Druish.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:58 pm Anon

      god I would love to tie you to the bed and then have nice normal PIV sex with you. no pain, don’t worry

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm cynical beta

      “people like me- Indians, Koreans, Chinese- we know where we are from and we would largely leave this country out of simple convenience if things even started to go downhill consistently. … Where is your loyalty? Mine is not here.”

      You over-generalize. Or maybe you’re just talking about women whose loyalty is naturally suspect. I’m an Asian American man and my loyalty is here.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:03 pm feministx

        Actually, I can believe that. South Asians are more similar to a lot of Jews in how many of us live and breathe a kind of clannishness. Both Jews and Hindus from regions with strict caste guidelines are raised with the moral value that their physiological selves have some theological significance.

        Also, America is theoretically supposed to be a place where any background fits in, so we are raised to believe we all can fit in here equally. Certainly, I can fit in in America a lot more than I could ever fit in if I were raised in Slovakia or something.

        Regarding differences in men and women in nationalistic loyalty, one would expect that women categorically feel less loyalty to any physical country than men. However, women may or may not be more loyal to the ideological rules they are expected to hold up. Women are obviously less likely to become renegades on their own volition.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm Mr. C

        The Chinese ARE the Jews of Asia.
        Mark my words.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 6:29 pm OralCummings

        Who are the Nazis of Asia??

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 11:59 pm spunky

        big noses cant play sports hairy as hell even the women greedy fo money mamas boy n overbearin bitchy motherss.ya indians n jews have q lot in commmon.
        whts with indian women n feminism …..seriouslt the jews of the east…loud mouth princesses just want mo. women in india dont are exempt from payin taxes what more do u hoes want

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:40 pm TP

      Fuck off, whore. You don’t speak for anyone but yourself, you cumrag.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:26 pm alexandrahamilton87

      I ask you this- if a meteor was going to hit the earth and we could only save one region of the world with an atmospheric bubble, where would you put the bubble? Over America or over Europe? Where is your loyalty? Mine is not here.
      ————————–

      Fuck you then and the horse you rode in on. We don’t need hyphenated Americans. Polish Jewish ancestry. Proud 1st generation American, first in my heart always. As someone else said, the Founding Fathers are my adopted ancestors. No questioning where I’d put my bubble, so stop making racial excuses for your traitorous allegiances and get on out to the land YOU love.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:12 am feministx

        What is “polish jewish” ancestry? You are half Polish and half Ashkenazi?

        There is only a choice of where your loyalties can be if your genetic kinship can be stronger to a different area. I think there are more Ashkenazi in the US than anywhere else in the world, so whether you adopt other people as your ancestors or not, there is no rift between ideological loyalty and loyalty by lineage for you.

        If you are really by some miracle a 25 yr old 1st generation “polish jewish” person, what else could vie for your chief loyalty? Maybe Israel if you were religious. Polish jewish people are sometimes mainly European in descent and sometimes mainly middle eastern. They are the product of being kicked out of one European country after another before most of them were killed while their fellow Poles supposedly did little to help them. Hence, why would you feel loyalty to Poland? That would be strange. Out of all western nations, the US probably has the least discriminatory history towards Jews. If you are separately Polish and Jewish, then where but the US do Polish and Jewish people actually exist?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm SFG

        All the more reason to be pro-American, I think. Last pogrom was 100 years ago in the South. Well, there was that bit in Crown Heights, but we took care of that, and the rest of New York City benefited. 😉

        I never got why so many Jews love immigration so much. This country kicks ass, why spoil it?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:23 pm AlexandraHamilton

        My dad is ashkenazi, but is himself the product of a mixed marriage between ashkenazi and ethnic Pole. My mother is ethnic Polish slav for like 100 generations (hyperbole, no doubt). I am not religious, although I am very comfortable around Israelis culturally, since my parents lived there for 15 years. Weirdly, you could call me more Israeli than American Jewish, since I have zero ties to the “ashkenazi” Jewish community here in America, other than a few friends of the family my parents knew in Israel before moving here. I don’t even speak Hebrew. Why would I? On my mother’s side, it’s all Poles all the way back forever, all of whom who are alive still live in Poland.

        Doesn’t matter, I would watch Israel or Poland, where my mother’s family still resides, burn to the ground if it meant saving my real country, America.

        Just because you’re obsessed with bloodlines doesn’t mean everyone is. Some people have higher allegiances than tribalism. Like the Japanese soldiers who volunteered for WWII out of the internment camps. Just because tribalism is a powerful and natural human force doesn’t mean that individuals can’t rise above it.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 7:12 pm thwack

        My dad is ashkenazi, but is himself the product of a mixed marriage between ashkenazi and ethnic Pole. My mother is ethnic Polish slav for like 100 generations
        —————————————————

        where do the big tits come from?

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 11:02 pm alexandrahamilton87

        Gift from mommy.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:26 pm AlexandraHamilton

        Oh and by the way, given the snippet I read of your blog, it seems like you’re trying to justify your selfishness and egocentric attitude in a lot of other ways besides “screw the country that gives me wealth, opportunity and freedom.” Maybe the problem is you.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 10:12 pm Suburban_elk

      Shut up

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 6:34 am Big Nick Digger

      Thank you. This is what Matt cannot understand. He like so many other American Supremacists is a liberal at heart and believes that ideologies (“The Proposition Nation”) are what rule the Earth, that we are on an endless, upward cycle of achievement and refinement (aka “Progress”). If we just work harder, try harder, the cream will rise to the top and all will be well for humankind. He hates Jim Crow, but will never even wrap his mind around the fact that India has over 30,000 endogamous groups–groups that cannot–will not–breed with each other.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:18 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

        “This is what Matt cannot understand. He like so many other American Supremacists is a liberal at heart and believes that ideologies (“The Proposition Nation”) are what rule the Earth, that we are on an endless, upward cycle of achievement and refinement (aka “Progress”).”

        Correct.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:15 pm corvinus

        The Founding Fathers were a very early version of the libtards we have plaguing the country today.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 8:50 am Tony

        sure, because they didn’t preach hate, right? idiot.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm corvinus

        Define “hate”. What is “hate”? Dumbass.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 9:44 am Matthew King

        He like so many other American Supremacists is a liberal at heart and believes that ideologies (“The Proposition Nation”) are what rule the Earth, that we are on an endless, upward cycle of achievement and refinement (aka “Progress”). If we just work harder, try harder, the cream will rise to the top and all will be well for humankind. He hates Jim Crow, but will never even wrap his mind around the fact that India has over 30,000 endogamous groups–groups that cannot–will not–breed with each other.

        I am an “American Supremacist,” indeed. And that’s the only true statement in your entire paragraph. Try reading what I write rather than pontificating about what you’re so sure I “never even wrap [my] mind around.”

        “Endless, upward cycle of achievement”? Lolwut? I “hate[] Jim Crow”? Citations, strawmaker.

        The Founding Fathers were a very early version of the libtards we have plaguing the country today.

        Utterly false. They were men of the British Enlightenment, and more important, believers in the continuity of restrained Anglo-Saxon liberalism. The “libtards we have plaguing the country today” are an alien virus from continental utopians. In general they are the incestuously mutated great-grandchildren of German philosophasters, most specifically the Frankfurt School of life-despising nihilism.

        There was nothing inevitable or naturally consequent of our founding about Wilson and FDR: they borrowed from the German philosophers and wrecked this country for a century, and counting. That strain is no part of the founders’ legacy. It is a cancer.

        Make some direct historical and intellectual connections, so I know what planet you are coming from.

        Matt

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 5:38 pm Matthew King

        We have besides [the founders] — descended by blood from our ancestors — among us perhaps half our people who are not descendants at all of these men, they are men who have come from Europe — German, Irish, French and Scandinavian — men that have come from Europe themselves, or whose ancestors have come hither and settled here, finding themselves our equals in all things.

        If they look back through this history to trace their connection with those days by blood, they find they have none, they cannot carry themselves back into that glorious epoch and make themselves feel that they are part of us, but when they look through that old Declaration of Independence they find that those old men say that “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,” and then they feel that that moral sentiment taught in that day evidences their relation to those men, that it is the father of all moral principle in them, and that they have a right to claim it as though they were blood of the blood, and flesh of the flesh of the men who wrote that Declaration, and so they are.

        That is the electric cord in that Declaration that links the hearts of patriotic and liberty-loving men together, that will link those patriotic hearts as long as the love of freedom exists in the minds of men throughout the world.

        — Lincoln, 1858

        Free men coming together to sustain their freedom does not necessitate miscegenation, race surrealism, equality of result, or even nationality mixing. The idea of amalgamation at a genetic level, rather than at a philosophical level, is foreign to our founding, a subversive agent, a free radical, injected by decadent Kraut intellectuals into our Anglo-Saxon tradition of man’s individual liberty. And we are the ones who must deal with the consequences of their multi-generational sabotage, exemplified by the regime in power.

        Who is ready to reconceive, to rededicate, to reconsecrate this old Nation, “conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal”?

        Who is ready to pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor?

        Who will fight? Start arming yourselves — intellectually, politically, physically, and psychologically.

        Who will flee? There’s the door.

        Matt

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  19. on July 2, 2013 at 1:08 pm Jazzy Hands

    Dood,

    You’re taking the “white flight” notion to unprecedented proportions. Breathe deep and try to acclimate yourself to the idea that globalization and the “invading horde” will follow where ever you go. I think if you do go B2E, you will slowly find yourself becoming increasingly homesick.

    On a separate note, I totally agree with the abundance hot European women assertion. There are 10s EVERYWHERE.

    Your brother in arms.
    JH

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm Matthew King

      We are still 3/4 here. This is all paranoia over extrapolated trajectories, which can be reversed through simple politics. If only we had — and when we have — a party that consciously appeals to whites.

      As the great Steve Sailer said in passing last year: “[W]hite Americans in the Obama Age are slowly, quietly getting a little tired of blacks.” “Quietly” being the operative word. We don’t go in for histrionics over trivialities. We bide our time like serial killers and then methodically murder like serial killers.

      Do they not teach history anymore? Even blacks should get their heads out of Harriet Tubman month and inventing the peanut and study the consequences of white ire.

      Yes, the Tom the Democrat and Jason Alfie factor is there, these seeming self-hating traitors. But just like the single women factor, I think their political pose is unsustainable and awkward, and they want to be free of the lie. The white leftists who aren’t psychologically damaged are more open minded than their nominal politics indicates. I don’t know any white man of any station who will not privately admit to the limits of race-hustling multiculti PCism. They’re just a little addled and a lot scared.

      The women too. Take the Life of Julia, insert a man into the narrative, and she becomes the most rabid rightwinger, now that she knows she has a daddy to replace daddy government. They proceed from their fears, and men neutralize fears.

      We just need somebody with a backbone to say n!gger on TV who isn’t an apologetic Obama-voting fatcunt sellout like Paula Deen. “Yes, I said n!gger 30 years ago. Yes, I am saying it now. And?”

      I nominate Adam Carolla or Mark Steyn. They’ve already been swarmed by the PC nigglers and beat them back handily. Nobody is going to fuck with them again, because the haters know they can’t win against someone who has the courage and the wherewithal to call their bluff.

      Matt

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 6:54 am Big Nick Digger

        “We are still 3/4 here. This is all paranoia over extrapolated trajectories, which can be reversed through simple politics.”

        You could be 99% and still lose. If the 99% is over 40 and the 1% is under 20 you have lost. Fertility matters. Your politics are going to change ever so gradually. The Elite will explain that spending money on old white people (greedy lazy baby boomers/evil unions, etc.) is wrong and spending money on young brown people (the New Americans, Our Future Voters) is right. Your air supply will be gradually cut off, starting with the oldest ones. You don’t understand. The New Americans don’t have to do anything but breathe and breed. No revolt required–until a little push is all it takes to topple it. What do you think happened ot South Africa? To Haiti? You think like the whtie folks that were lured back to Haiti and then slaughtered. You think like the increasingly impoverished South Africans who live in their squatter camps, waiting for the day they will be finally appreciated by the black masses. There no natural “superiority” if you don’t reproduce.

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  20. on July 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm Greg Eliot

    Not enough Lebensraum in a muzzified Europe…

    I’d say Russia/Siberia, but it seems like a long walk when we’ve got that big empty Canada right above us.

    Anyway, might be best to stay put on this side of the pond and wait for the Balkanized break up of the US into neo-Europe type of borders and the founding of new nations… at least one of which should become a white homeland… if not de iure at first, at least de facto… with most of the population having hindsight sense that that whole “melting pot/all men are equal” canard is not something worthy of resuscitation.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:19 pm James

      Siberia is also unlivable because of the mosquito problems

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:00 pm Greg Eliot

        I’ll pack a case of those tin bucket citron candles.

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  21. on July 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm Nietzsche

    In the end, there can be no running. There are not many places left. You must stand and fight, or run and live the life of a hopefully wealthy nomad.

    I don’t want this country and it’s weapons to be left in the hands of leftists and savages.

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  22. on July 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm Drano

    Itd be much easier to purge the parasites via mass deportation then for a massive white exodus to occur.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:25 pm Greg Eliot

      We never seem to have the stones to “do the necessary” in re that purging business.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:39 pm thwack

        Is Idi Amin still looking for a job?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm Greg Eliot

        A job that the white man won’t do? LLOZOZLZLZOZLZLZLZLZLOZOZLZL

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:28 pm corvinus

        Actually, it’s going pretty well. According to the CDC’s 2011 birth stats, births to foreign-born Mexican women in the U.S. are down 31% since 2006, and those to Central and South American women are down 21% since 2007. White Americans’ TFRs are above Puerto Ricans and Cubans, both stateside and islandside.

        Puerto Rico is actually imploding right now: its economy is in a Greece-like endless contraction and is facing a pension crisis. It’s a nice laboratory as to what happens to a Latin American country that has free emigration to the U.S.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:18 pm Nietzsche

        Puerto Rico is a worthless place and always has been. Puerto Ricans are one step above niggers. They’re the worst of the god awful Caribbean-Spanish race simply because they can come here whenever they please and receive welfare.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:15 pm Northman

        Most impoverished city in America? Reading PA. Why? Majority PR population. Similar situation here in Allentown.

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  23. on July 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm WillBest

    Personally, I think its a race for the right side of the bell curve to invent space travel and leave, before they are snuffed out by the left side of the curve

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm Greg Eliot

      +1… whites aren’t truly happy… nor it seems, genetically viable for long… when there are no frontiers to pursue.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:21 pm Suburban_elk

        whites aren’t truly happy… nor it seems, genetically viable for long… when there are no frontiers to pursue

        Yup, the long and short.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:27 pm everybodyhatesscott

      Matt Damon will go up to your space planet and take your nice things. On a completely unrelated note, anyone who sees Elysium is a faggot.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 1:30 pm everybodyhatesscott

        On a completely unrelated note, anyone who sees Elysium is a faggot.

        I might have to walk back on this one. Didn’t realize it was the district 9 guy and it might actually end up being an anti-immigration flick. Still, Fuck Matt Damon.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:00 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

        Matt Damon

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 10:52 am ltrfagLewis F

      I’ve recently come to the revelation that man’s number one goal should be to get the fuck out of here. It’s the only way we’ll survive, while it may be several thousands of years before we literally HAVE to leave we should make it a long distance priority number 1.

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  24. on July 2, 2013 at 1:22 pm Bob

    Wouldn’t advise bothering with the U.K. Everywhere here seems to be following the worst of the American traits, and some are even encouraged.
    Specially not for the women either, horrible, trashy fat sluts with trampy tattoos of the names of their exes allover them, horrible. Not to mention the muslims and other immigrants, there’s many areas in my cities that are “No go” areas, as it is a “city of sanctuary”. One entire sector is composed exclusively of Somalians. We have a large black “gangsta” culture in a lot of areas too. Choose somewhere more friendly heh. As a stubborn Englishman it’s a tough prospect to consider abandoning my home, but if I did I’d move somewhere Nordic.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm Bob

      “No go” areas for White British I meant.

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  25. on July 2, 2013 at 1:27 pm Canadian Friend

    “… Where is your loyalty? Mine is not here….”

    Tens of millions of immigrants think like you.

    and then they wonder why we see them as ” the other”

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm Canadian Friend

      The above comment was a reply to Feministx,

      I don’t know why it is posted down here 45 minutes after I tried to post it…

      wordpress does weird things to my comments…

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  26. on July 2, 2013 at 1:31 pm maurice

    Ridiculous post. Historically unaware, ludicrous from a practical point of view.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:24 pm driveallnight

      Yup, a rare whiff. Box it up with that one about the thwacking noises created by some black dude’s junk.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:09 pm Greg Eliot

        Heh, heh… thwack’ing noises are created here daily by some black dude’s junk thinking.

        llozzozlzlzozozlzlzlzozozlzlzlzlzl

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 11:14 pm driveallnight

        I just hope that new thwacking technology makes us energy independent, not retarded.

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  27. on July 2, 2013 at 1:33 pm Nick

    I’m a first generation American of Polish descent. I’m making plans to return to Poland in a year. Northern California is a cultural wasteland for me. As far as multiculturalism goes it’s probably the best possible scenario, yet this still means that Indians and East Asians are taking over high-tech jobs, while Mexican illegals cook their meals and bus tables in downtown Palo Alto. I’ll take a lower standard of material living to be among family, friends, people of my own ethnicity, tradition and beautiful, feminine women.

    I don’t foresee a mass exodus back to Europe (perhaps just from one state to another), but for first generation Americans who know their ancestral language, the departure will be much more appealing. As terrible as Communism was, the one advantage Poland has now is that it’s not a socialist, welfare state like Western European countries are. It can’t afford it. This means that immigration from Africa and the Middle East is minimal. A healthy distrust of the “other” (derisively called racism) keeps out the problems we see in “urban” America. They had to ban bananas at some soccer stadiums since fans were throwing them at certain visiting players. I think this is in poor taste, but if this undercurrent is what it takes to keep Poland from becoming like BRA as described in SBPDL, so be it.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm Wiz

      So you actually like fans throwing bananas at Black football players?

      What a lot Nordicists like you don’t understand it that, you can be proud of your heritage,race,ethnicity etc without putting other people down.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:10 pm Greg Eliot

        Dude! Reading comp!

        I think this is in poor taste…

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:55 pm Ulf E

        @ Wiz – Exactly! These are weak, weak people, like all racists.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:07 am Greg Eliot

        Yet another Beevis who can’t read… sigh.

        The man stated clearly: “I think this is in poor taste…”

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:04 pm Supra

      Roosh loves Poland man, and he’s somewhat of a connosseeuuurr

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  28. on July 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm Anonymous

    Europe is the smallest continent. Why is European man expected to stagnate and not grow? How can we survive as a people without more living space? That’s why we colonized the world in the first place.

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    • on July 5, 2013 at 10:19 pm spunky

      exactly why the other nations that were colonized are coming to europe cuz they need to go grow. europe is shrinkin cuz u guys are whipped hard by ur women and now they are sexually liberated slutts that dont produce kids like most women.

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  29. on July 2, 2013 at 1:41 pm Arsene

    Americans are whining bitches.

    Why would we want them here?

    [CH: Think of the money you’ll make selling us pastries and sausage!]

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:11 pm Arsene

      Approx 60% of the world’s population are Asian, 12% per cent are black.
      Now really, dear hbders, who is a bigger threat to our white children? Go to Tornoto to see a premonition of what America will look like after whites lose a race war..

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:30 pm corvinus

        In the U.S., it’s generally white Republicans who have private firearms.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm Arsene

        The same white republicans with firearms will be living in trailer parks wondering why their guns can’t the hired in any job worth doing.

        The white American working-class male was once useful to the American economy. Not anymore. They only experince power in computer games and porn.

        Working-class/college-educated men are economically useless in the US – why would Europe want something it already has too much of?

        American women are the worst in the world, so I didn’t see what Europe would gain by importing them eother.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:32 pm corvinus

        Just because the capitalist robber barons don’t want us doesn’t mean we’re useless.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm Arsene

        I stated clearly: “The white American working-class male was once useful to the American economy”. You are of course free to start a new economy where male labour is highly valued. Good luck with it.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:20 pm Ben Gurion

        The same white republicans with firearms will be living in trailer parks wondering why their guns can’t the hired in any job worth doing.

        Stop believing European TV propaganda for one, then think about that statement above. Would that not make them dangerous? You have no idea of the firepower in the hands of the common man. Collections of over 100 firearms is not uncommon in gun friendly states. America is doing very well still, in terms of industry. The Democrats may have written the white working man off, but he is by no means economically useless. He remains the backbone of the economy and will remain so. I would say the man with a college degree and no skills is in tougher shape, especially in Europe.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:24 pm corvinus

        Interesting fact: the rayciss Japs have all their North American automobile production in Dumb Radnack Country, while General Tso’s Motors plans to expand in China. Nobody likes American workers, but they love Jap cars. lozlzozlzolzz

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:42 pm eyeslevel

        The biggest threat to white children are the anti-whites currently in power in white countries.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:14 pm Greg Eliot

        Thank you.

        This is why Brevik did what he did… and why the Cathedral has to dismiss such things as “terrorism” and/or the works of the “insane”.

        When in fact, it’s soldiering… in a war that hasn’t been officially declared…

        … yet.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:22 pm Subway Masturbator

        Dregs Elliot– Always ready to masturbate at the thought of wanton murder with a White Supremacist rationalization. Go, dregs, Go!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:05 pm Greg Eliot

        Your intellect has been found wanton.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:30 pm Greg Eliot

        Stating a fact isn’t celebrating a fact…

        You Cathedral fairy.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm eyeslevel

        The war was declared a long time ago.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 10:29 pm Greg Eliot

        Touche’

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:35 am John South

        After we lose a race war?

        Now that’s very funny.

        Let’s have it.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 2:43 pm Anonymous

      You’re right.Its much better to import brown people who hate you and with no affinity whatsoever for your culture to prop up your dying cultures.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:18 pm Arsene

        Look at how Americans are viewed by Europeans. Do you see afininty there? People don’t like white Americans just because they are white. Maybe in Britain, yes, but who wants to live there? American culture is almost as worthless as muslim culture. I say ‘no thank you’ to each!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm corvinus

        McDonald’s isn’t American culture, you nimrod.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:24 pm Ben Gurion

        I lived in Germany for 23 years. Americans are generally well regarded, even if the object of envy. Everywhere they’ve left, the locals wish they would come back. Me thinks you have met too few Americans outside of the military if at all. They always do well with the local women.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:42 pm Matthew King

      You have us there by the hundreds of thousands, actually. Defending you since you sold your manhoods cheap fifty years ago. Since you traded your arms for state medicine and welfare checks and unassimilable Muslim immigration. Can’t even take care of a little pissant conflict like Bosnia or Kosovo inside your own continent without coming to us on your knees.

      You understand my countrymen through the filters that your unelected governing class allows you to get all your information. You foreign cunt. Get out of my face.

      Same with CH and his queer, self-debasing, anti-American sarcasm, bowing and scraping like a supplicant to Eurotrash. Yes, there are imperfections in my culture. You can mistake them for the whole of my culture, or you can understand that they are the cost of liberty at the margins, margins which our lefty propaganda class like to giggle about so that they might more easily tear down the foundations that make liberty possible. CH joins them for a tawdry hyuk-hyuk on the one hand while complaining about the demise of freedom on the other.

      Then you both fantasize about a Eutopia where men don’t have to earn their liberties. Which is actually an end-times shithole abandoned by men centuries ago, now crawling with invited desert detritus you can’t keep from raping and mangling your women.

      Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:41 pm yeahokcool

        jesus christ, man! i’ve never seen you this worked up before.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:17 pm Greg Eliot

        A man who feels there’s something worth fighting for… and can eloquently and devastatingly get his point across on the issue… is fascinating, isn’t he?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm Stilicho

        Greg, do you get a gag reflex when you service Matt?

        Just wondering.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:08 pm Greg Eliot

        You really ought to stop projecting your homoerotic proclivities… especially since I have the good manners never to bring up yours and yeahokcool and that beaner’s with the stupid cap for Ya.

        Of course, seeing as how at least two of you are sock-puppets, I guess it falls under the category of autoeroticism.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:09 pm Greg Eliot

        You sock fairy.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:40 am yeahokcool

        greg, i invite you to please bring up whatever you like. i will rebut your assertions and further make you look like the fool you are. i will tool you on the internet, bitch.

        for instance, if you were to go back and look, you would see that i’ve said on probably 5 prior occasions that i don’t give a shit about yareally or ch. they are both smart guys with a lot to contribute, sure, but so is matt on a number of subjects. i’m no respecter of persons, bro (i’m speaking your language now)! i recognize talent and i commend talent.

        you, however, are a talentless hack. that’s the other side of commendation of talent: condemnation of hacks. i take that back. you’re quite talented at making terrible puns. i commend your ability to say unfunny things.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:37 pm Greg Eliot

        What again? U mad, brah?

        You’re a legend in your own mind (and those of the sock puppies) in re any cogent rebuttals or making me look like a fool that you imagine yourself to have done.

        Your retorts are style-less and your language mundane, when not outright inane. “Bitch” indeed… and that, from the safety of your keyboard. lulz

        And my puns are superb.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:27 pm Stilicho

        He sounds hysterical.

        Literally.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:58 pm yeahokcool

        Yeah, that was more my thought than, as Greg predictably suggested, awe-inspiring. Smoke some weed, bro!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:11 pm Greg Eliot

        My “fascinating” remark was a barb at your “jesus christ man!”

        Not surprising that you and the rest of the South Park sockpuppy crew missed the nuance there.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 8:32 am yeahokcool

        oh, greg, you’re ever so droll. trust me, babe: nothing you say is hard for me to grasp… but it is terribly boring so you’ll have to forgive me for trying to liven things up a bit.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:40 pm Greg Eliot

        As the old maxim goes, a bored person is a boring person.

        But at least some of my vocabulary is starting to rub off… droll, indeed.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:12 pm Matthew King

        Now who’s “servicing” who?

        You two fairies — everything is an analogue to gay sex in your minds.

        Hmm.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:17 pm corvinus

        Now, I do understand CH’s looking over at Europe. The best country to live in would probably be a hypothetical country with American men and (continental) European women.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:29 pm Ben Gurion

        Well said. Europeans are ultimately gentrified serfs. They chafe at that label, but they are too clubby politically and the people instinctively look to the state out of long, culturally ingrained habit.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:59 am Alex

        “Since you traded your arms for state medicine and welfare checks and unassimilable Muslim immigration. Can’t even take care of a little pissant conflict like Bosnia or Kosovo inside your own continent without coming to us on your knees.”

        Good to know what Mathew truly think of us.
        Western Europe “traded” it’s weapons because we knew you’ll stay in Europe – cold war or not. So if you’re there already let’s make some use of your troops. Besides the armies of the EU are not mached by any state in region far and wide except Russia, but even if Russia moves it’s massive armies inside Belarus(and /or Ukraine – which would be harder to do), we could get prepeared for it without you.

        Also we’re nuclear armed (counting American nukes in EU possesion also).
        It’s not enough to beat Russia, but it is a detterance factor – serious one that stops any Russian imperialistic aspirations.

        That WEU was not capable of handling pissant conflicts was somehow true, but not for lack of capability, but rather for lack of will. As i said YOU were there, and always ready to jump in to the fray to flex your muscles, on such pissant conflicts until pissant Iraq and pissant Afghanistan came up. Than Europe had to engage in Africa on it’s own; Lybia was an example of how Europe couldn’t handled it, and only A YEAR AFTER Mali was an example of how Europe CAN handle it.

        “Which is actually an end-times shithole abandoned by men centuries ago, now crawling with invited desert detritus you can’t keep from raping and mangling your women.”

        Not less than USA.

        Also you’re forgeting that EU still has greater GDP than you do.
        + You’re really histerical calling us a shithole, so let us all just dissmis it.

        But overall EU and US must keep together along with other Anglo states over the world (Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Afrikaaners). Though there are differences and pissidness from both sides of Atlantic, who can you count on when things get really fucked?
        You proved to be our straw of salvation (II.WW) – though you didn’t saved us much from III. Reich as from Commies after them.

        If some simillar shit happens in America i’m seriously not sure wheather EU would go there to fight for you, or not.
        But i suspect that we would be divided 50 – 50 over to go or not to go, with Britain leading in the camp of those pro action, and France leading those against any interference. Germany probably neutral and waiting to see the situation develop.

        Remember; in WWII France, Poland and Balkans fell and you hardly even blinked. And not only that, you waited till 1944 to make the Normandy invasion, and wouldn’t do it even than if Russians haven’t pressed you.

        And by that all i want to say is that you fared carefully and that is what EU would do if roles were reversed. Though there is a factor that would tip the balance in favour of “pro action” camp – American nuclear weapons that might fall into wrong hands.

        P.S.
        My brother you hurt me quite with this post.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:55 pm Greg Eliot

        Well-said, more’s the pity.

        In any sort of even-up “fair” fight (meaning, equal numbers and weaponry), the US has very little to pound their “greatest generation” chest about.

        And since then, well… laughable… barefoot Cholly and rag-tag Abdul, with their AK-47s and the will to use them, have proved more than a match.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 3:48 am Alex

        Humility is good Greg,

        Yet look at it this way, nobody before you could do it either.
        and as far as conventional war is being concerned i think that all those supposed or aspiring “superpowers” legitimately shitted their pants when they saw with how much ease you’we handled Iraqi half million armies – both times.

        They know that they would have to face you toe to toe, and not as a rag-tag Abdul with sHit and run tactics, which they vastly augumented with run – run tactics – heh – they had to.

        Refreshing to hear some supporting voice form USA. God bless USA.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 3:27 pm Lucius Somesuch

        The present United States has done and does many degraded things, but I am very doubtful we have delegated any of our nukes to the European Union.

        And European “lack of will” doesn’t keep British PMs and French Presidaunts from wailing for America to lead the interventions they only tag along for. As for the EU mustering up a “fight” to help the USA? Unbelievable. Remember, the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle lost its rudder at sea.

        Alex, your intentions may be good but you are vastly overrating both the mettle of the European nations and the capabilities of their respective, overpriced but understrength, gendarmeries.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 3:24 am Alex

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_sharing

        “The only German nuclear base is located in Büchel, near the border with Luxembourg… There are 20 B61 nuclear bombs stored on the base for delivery by German PA-200 Tornado IDS bombers of the JaBoG 33 squadron. By 2015 Germany’s Tornado IDS aircraft are due to be retired, and it is unclear what NUCLEAR SHARING ROLE, if any, Germany will then retain.[1]”

        But in times of war, these nuclear weapons WOULD be transfered to NATO states that hosted them. In a matter of fact these countries do have military training programs intended for delivering American nuclear bomb. Germans as you could read too.

        About “lack of will” you misunderstood what was actually implied.
        I was saying that they lacked the will for investing in their own forces, and into the capability of their army , not that they lost an apetite for war and pursuance of their interests. USA would get some other service from that European state in return for muscle flex, that is until 2009, when Americans refused to wage war for Europe.

        So yeah, EU was a puss.

        “As for the EU mustering up a “fight” to help the USA? Unbelievable. Remember, the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle lost its rudder at sea.”

        EU has great industrial potential that can create Military behemot in a year – that is if we can agree on the matter in time. But even now EU(as a whole) HAS formidable weapon arsenale, air and land.

        http://www.armedforces.co.uk/Europeandefence/edcountries/countrygermany.htm#German Air Force

        Note here: Only Germany has 1000 MBT’s and more than 1000 IFV’s
        – there you can look at other European states too.

        Turkey alone has no chance, and other Middle Eastern countries… Well, it isn’t enough just to know how to drive Egyptian Abrams M1A1, you must know how to fight with it too… Lol

        Couldn’t find any information about that rudder loss incident you mention.
        But hey, at least they didn’t lost an atomic bomb.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents

        Curiously how 90s and 2000s have almost none of these accidents.

        But bottom line is even if they lost the rudder, that isn’t a big deal. You see your army lost many nuclear bombs, so did European armies made simmilar shit, and yet when the war comes it doesn’t happens, i mean look again at WW II. You were quite unready for it, from tactics, to experiance, to training, ah yes equipement wasn’t overly appropriate either, but there you are: instrumental for saving the democracy in western Europe.

        You adapted quickly – so would we in case of such a war.

        “…Their respective, overpriced but understrength, gendarmeries.”

        If gendarmeries operate Submarines, Cariers, and nuclear devices,
        indeed we have no army.

        To summarise: Great industrial complex and economic base is the most instrumental for waging a war.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 2:39 pm Mr.Mxyzptlk

        I wish we had stayed the fuck OUT of WWll! And WWl for that matter.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 2:04 pm Alex

        Idiot!

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm OralCummings

        Asshole!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 11:37 am Robert

        >Once you traded your arms for state medicine and welfare checks
        It would be nice if you proved mass gun ownership prevented tyranny. Currently the Egyptians are showing more balls than you lot, and with far fewer firearms.

        >unassimilable Muslim immigration.
        Which will only last as long as the welfare checks.

        Can’t even take care of a little pissant conflict like Bosnia or Kosovo inside your own continent without coming to us on your knees.
        > You forgot Croatia. We were ignoring _the Balkans_ nicely. Thanks for supporting the Muslims against the Christians, BTW.

        >You understand my countrymen through the filters that your unelected governing class allows you to get all your information.
        SBPDL? Fred Reed? Remus? CH?

        >Which is actually an end-times shithole abandoned by men centuries ago, now crawling with invited desert detritus you can’t keep from raping and mangling your women.
        That’s not a nice thing to say about YKW.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 8:45 am J.M.

        And do you realize YOUR FUCKING intervention in WWI at the behest of J… was the main cause of the current state of Europe. Europe doesn’t need you meddling, just needs to be left alone and learn to swim or die trying.

        By the way, if current trends continue, even without continued immigration YOUR CHILDREN ARE ALREADY A MAJORITY, (in many places < 50% of small children population are white in the U.S.). So good luck in your shithole.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 7:48 am J.M.

        Meant “YOUR CHILDREN ARE ALREADY A MINORITY

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 9:35 pm spunky

        yes n now that gere population is goin down now that geir women are liberated slut that dont produce kids. now thdy have to make room for the other growing nations to colonize them….karma s bitchironi

        back bqck in the ge day vikings raped an pillaged the world noe the now the world is rapin them….seems ths blacks r rapin more in stokholm n oslo more than the muslims. its the past 7 yrs that they been doin most of the rapes in those cities but even then most rapes ade done by whites thee n their defintion of dape is very broad

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 10:26 pm Suburban_elk

      Where are you from Arsene?

      As an American, it is a badge to wear, but remember, Washington beat Cornwallis’s ass.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 9:04 pm Mattis

      europeans make less money but are geneally more happier than you guys

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  30. on July 2, 2013 at 1:47 pm late late late bloomer

    i prefer an ‘enjoy the decline’ approach, collapse this beast at the very least before we give up. i will probably die furious, still in this country, wishing for more freedom from pervasive leftism, but i don’t see a lot of better options.

    maybe some kind of secession. barring that maybe seasteading. long long shot.

    i don’t know where it is above but some moron claiming slavery built the states, slavery is economic idiocy. slave productivity is shitty. had they paid people they’d have outstripped whatever they did by whip, no question. the productivity of profit over the productivity to do enough just to stay alive. slavery crippled this country, and the civil war to destroy it even more so. dumbasses. anything to tear down the last best hope of humanity.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:46 pm thwack

      “i don’t know where it is above but some moron claiming slavery built the states, slavery is economic idiocy. slave productivity is shitty. ”
      —————————————————————————————

      Spoken like a man who has never dug a foundation, a well, or a supply line by hand.

      (((shakin my head)))

      White people dragged us over here in chains because all the other workers were dying from MALARIA, smallpox, and a bunch of other diseases.

      You needed black guys, big strong negro bucks, why don’t you just admit it?

      There were no bulldozers and backhoes back then. You wanna drain a swamp? You wanna build a canal?

      Before you could do ANYTHING, you needed a bunch of spades carrying spades.

      What country you from?

      They speak English?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:21 pm Greg Eliot

        Don’t overplay your hand now, John Henry.

        The Germans outworked both you fellows and the Irish by a factor of two to one, according to a maxim of the time, which went (if memory serves):

        “To get an Irish or a black to work, you need to hit him with a stick… or to get a German to stop working.”

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:26 pm corvinus

        Being descended from both Irish and Germans, I don’t know whether to be insulted or laugh.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm Canadian Friend

        I’m pretty sure that as many or more Irish than blacks and Chinese were the cheap labor back then.

        I watch a LOT ( have done so for decades ) of documentary on PBS and that is what they say.

        and PBS is definitely not a right wing source of information.

        PBS is very much pro-immigration, pro-illegals, pro-gay, pro-feminism or in short ; anti white male,

        they would have no reason to lie about the Irish being victimized more by white males

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:41 am thwack

        How much suntan lotion did the Germans and Irish bring over with them?

        The only reason all you pale skinned Europeans had jobs in New England textile factories is because of black people toiling sun up to sun down in 100+ degree heat 6 days a week.

        Sugar cane too.

        The white population of this country grew because slave labor produced paying jobs for them.

        You got off the boat all pale and skinny and there was a job here waiting for you.

        You’re welcome.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:43 pm Greg Eliot

        Fractured Fairy Tales was funny enough, in its day.

        But your Fractured Fairy Tale History cribbles risibility.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:19 pm Canadian Friend

        Here is an excerpt from something I found at the examiner

        “… Only in recent years have historians recognized the major contribution of the Irish to the early development of North America’s railroad system. No more spectacular example can be found than the construction of the Western & Atlantic Railroad. In its day, the W & A was the engineering wonder of the world. In the 21st century, it is one of the busiest railroad routes in the world.

        […]Chronic labor shortages solved by the Irish

        The state’s leaders had originally planned to build its railroads with slave labor. This scheme did not work out. Several long railroads were under construction simultaneously in the state. Planters did not want to lease their field laborers during the growing season. Often by the time that farm hands had learned the skills necessary for precisely building railroad grades, they would be called back to the plantation….”

        read the whole thing at,

        http://www.examiner.com/article/irish-immigrants-built-this-engineering-wonder-of-the-world

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:58 pm Greg Eliot

        Why bother with the references and facts?

        Two months and nine threads from now, thwackie ol’ boy and his coterie will only be sputtering the same claptrap… we’ve been hearing now for well over a year.

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      • on July 10, 2013 at 12:10 pm OralCummings

        I think by ” work” they were referring to oral sex performed on old men.

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  31. on July 2, 2013 at 1:48 pm Ulf E

    As a European dissident and longtime friend of the USA, I can only say that this idea would have been stupid, even if America’s troubles didn’t stem from WHITE (yes, W H I T E, not the non-white races that you are so fond of blaming for your troubles) Americans going to study in Germany in the 19th century, and bringing the German counter-Enlightnment ideas back with them. But they did (see for instance “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg), and so this idea is beyond pathetic.

    There is no escaping fighting the war of philosophical ideas.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm Arsene

      Interesting point. The blogger here thinks he will be be welcome in Europe because of his nice skin colour and good genes. Dream on!

      I always find it strange that so many who speak louldy of White or Black or X power, have achieved so little of value in their own life

      [CH: I banged your mom. Doesn’t that count for something?]

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm Matthew King

        Hey, twat. We will take this culture and all its imperfections over your little brother envy, second-world hospitals, socialist-nihilist politics, burning banlieues, disarmed and castrated population, 15-hour-workweek welfare mentality, and broad-daylight street beheadings. You fags couldn’t deal with Germany (twice) or Russia without us bailing you out (while manhandling the batshit crazy Nips at the same time). So you do the next best thing: flounce around declaring your superiority despite us making you our bitch.

        CH was just spitballing. But apparently it flushed the chumps out.

        How can one even tell who is straight over there? Your men all talk and act like you regularly take it up the ass, literally, as well as in the realpolitik sense. You eurofairy.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm Arsene

        The point of the article is about how Americans might need to go to Europe.
        But okay you hate Europeans too.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:56 pm Canadian Friend

        Matt,

        try watching a John Wayne movie translated to French

        It is revolting what the French accent can do

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm Greg Eliot

        England always was based on a type of fagdom.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm Rick Derris

        Haha – nice Archie reference!!!

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 12:00 am tspark156

        Disney, Liberace, The Superbowl, nothing gay about that is there. If you left a yoghurt alone for over two hundred years it would develop a culture. Happy Independance day.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:13 pm thwack

        Don’t forget all the 30 year old students and the 50 year old retirees over there.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:27 pm Subway Masturbator

        “Your men all talk and act like you regularly take it up the ass, ” Is that the voice of experience Matt Peenking? YOu know how to pick them out for your closet “manly purpose.” You sound like such a closet case. Kisses!!

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:41 pm Stilicho

        Well, Matt IS a Catholic after all….I am sure he does indeed have some experience.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 11:54 pm Anonymous

        You are a good example why the US are so fucked up…being a pussified wimp as you wrongly and generally accuse europeans to be is a bad thing. Shutting off all reason and only dreaming of war and weapons and generally barking at everyone who doesnt immediately point a gun at others at the slightest provocation is equally stupid. You should watch less Hollywood movies displaying americans saving the world.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:30 am tspark156

        I have yet to meet a single Brit that is jealous of anything the US has
        our healthcare service may not be perfect but it is free at the point of delivery. Disarmed, like so many Americans you are displaying your ignorance on this point. Large numbers of us hold firearms licences and the fact that hand guns are officially illegal does not deter plenty of us from owning them. Forty Two hours is the average working week although most of us have more than one job or income stream. UK net immigration is at two percent, what is yours currently?. You have way more faggots and much greater acceptance thereof over there than you will ever find here. We have a much lower percentage unemployment, single parenthood, divorce rates. Our head of state is non-political and serves as a democratic guarentor, where’s that bloke that’s in charge of you from again?, is he doing a good job for you of looking out for your interests?. Fags, from a member of a nation where they wear body armour and helmets to play a fairy version of rugby and what you call an after match riot, we call a Saturday night. Terrorism is nothing unusual to us we with stood bombings that were beyond your worse nightmares and anything than the IRA that you used to find so romantic and bankroll could produce, and no the irony of Boston with Its proud Irish heritage was not lost on us.
        Nineteen Seventeen, three years late after the UK Commonwealth had held a vastly numerically, and technologically superior German Army at bay in France and Belgium and the conflicts outcome was certain.
        Nineteen Forty Two, three years late once again after a small British Expeditionary Force from an Army still depleted form the last conflict fought a rear guard action due to the French army folding in the field. The Royal Air Force and Navy foiled German invasion plans without any assistance from the US. Only after the Russians had knocked the fight out of the German army and it was clear which way things were going did the US join the war. Are you seriously suggesting that a campaign of carpet bombing and subsequent nuking can be termed as manhandling?.
        Korea, A single battalion of Royal Gloucester’s held a combined Chinese/Korean army (estimated to be above one million in number)human wave assault while the UN police force including the US fell back in shit order.
        The UK did not fight in Vietnam but if we had done perhapsthings might have turned out differently
        With the exception of some US elite forces most of your military would struggle to pass Royal Navy/Air Force induction let alone the twenty week basic course of the British Army Training Regiment. Eight weeks to become a US Marine, thirty weeks that makes the Foreign Legion look like a teddy bears picnic to become a Royal Marine Commando. The Parachute Regiment (similar role to US Airborne) does not even consider a battle to be fight unless its members are cut off, surrounded, outnumbered, low on supplies, and sleep deprived to the point of madness. As for the SAS/SBS ask one of your Rangers, Green Beret’s, or Navy Seals for an opinion. I will grant you that you have fiscally driven numerical, and technological superiority but in terms of calibre of the individual the UK armed forces are several leagues above that of the US.
        Regularly take it up the ass, if you want to know what it feels like to be fucked step ashore in Plymouth or Portsmouth on a Friday night and say all this out loud.
        I am not in the habit of making insults, but if I was in this case it would probably go along the lines of stupid/ignorant/arrogant/dumbfuck American cunt that couldn’t piss his way out of a paper bag.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 7:40 pm OralCummings

        Well argued! As a former Marine I can attest that we admired and envied the Royal Marines & the SAS. You have to keep in mind that Britain doesnt have the responsibilitiesn that America takes upon itself. You’re comparing apples and oranges dear boy.(Isnt that how you guys talk?) the Br Royal Marines number 8,000 motherfuckers!! 8000!! The US marines are 198,000 you dumb limey prick. Point being i think we are the superior in guts and pluck,resourcefulness and pride. Sorry. But you have created some damned fine groups.Your James Bondian contempt for our blundering ways may have some—some–legitimacy. You also have those weird guys from Nepal,the Googies or whatever. One point I’d like to clarify: The IRISH created a peaceful movement to address the horrific way they were being treated in the Six Counties. On Bloody Sunday,yer SAS toffs shot at unarmed demonstrators and murdered several. The Lord Widgery(??) Commision straight up lied and exonerated the SAS murderers. So when you complain about the IRA,well why’d you add fuel to the fire????

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      • on July 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm Alex

        “You also have those weird guys from Nepal,the Googies or whatever”

        And what? You tried to diss him on UK having Gurkhas? I mean are you 10?

        “The Lord Widgery(??) Commision straight up lied and exonerated the SAS murderers. So when you complain about the IRA,well why’d you add fuel to the fire????”

        Another day in the world. Name a country that didn’t had such moments. Recently. They lied then – they are probably lying now, and they will be lying in the future – just as you do, and will.

        Though one must argue that Brits didn’t show any mettle in Iraq – Basra was A DISASTER, Helmand, Afghanistan also…

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:43 am Alex

        “You fags couldn’t deal with Germany (twice) or Russia without us bailing you out (while manhandling the batshit crazy Nips at the same time). So you do the next best thing: flounce around declaring your superiority despite us making you our bitch.”

        HAHAH
        hahahah

        Don’t flatter yourself overly Matthew, 80% of Wermacht was as a matter of fact annihilated on the steppes of Russia. And Japan was defeated with roughly 10 – 15% of your military strenght,

        also: you dropped the bomb and they surrenderd when your capabilities (well maybe more your resolve than capabilities, but shit stays)would really be coming to a test.

        But this part is really hillarious:

        “You fags couldn’t deal with Germany…”

        I’m glad to inform you that this “You” from 1951 onwards, incorporates Germany as well.

        USA is a world superpower, i’ll give you that.
        Aaaaand Europe does sometimes(or more than just sometimes) seems like your bitch.

        Yet if we’re to be Russia’s bitch one day – you will be begging us. Not the other way around.
        You are a superpower but don’t overstrech it. You’re not GOD.

        Fare well my American brother.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:58 pm tomv

        Right, this blogger has no idea that “It would take a lot of convincing to get Europeans to agree to allow mass white American immigration.” I would tell him that, if only this American nitwit could read.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 9:14 am Syd Barrett

        How much convincing did it take before the Europeans got flooded by Muslims, Africans, Asians, and other assorted miscreants ?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:37 am Canadian Friend

        Convincing?

        None of us ( Canadians, Americans, French, British, Australians etc etc ) were ever asked if we wanted to be replaced by millions of third worlder immigrants

        we never agreed to that, we were never asked, we never voted on that, it was imposed on us by a tiny handful of people we call white liberal “elite”

        I call them traitors

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:01 pm Syd Barrett

        Canadian: I understand, I was speaking in the context of if Americans wanted to emigrate to Europe in large numbers. How would they stop them ? They cant even stop the damn Nigerians .

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:36 pm Ben Gurion

      This is true and as long as its only a few, Ch would do fine. Most of us here would. The problem comes in when its too many. Now waht are you going to do ab out your own miserable replacement rate? Would you prefer hostile towelheads or assimilable if boorish post-Europeans? I think you know the answer. I don’t think this will happen anyway. More people would choose a place like Oz or Canada than Europe and those who did wouldn’t stand out so much as they would already be quasi-European in their mentalities. Mostly, Europe is too stagnant economically or was until recently. I like the food and the history everywhere but now that I’m married, I like life better here.

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  32. on July 2, 2013 at 1:51 pm tz2026

    Seduction and perversion of the Founding Father’s creation is not abandonment. It makes no sense to stay when there has been a quiet invasion of people who hate what the founders stood for, have trashed the constitution (we need to repeal the 17th amendment and bring back nullification, especially for the supreme court).

    Grand-dad was from where Ayn Rand came from. If Putin allows a “Galt’s Gulch”, I’ll be on the next plane.

    Preferring a warmer climate to freedom? Really?

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 1:58 pm Greg Eliot

      Preferring a warmer climate to freedom? Really?

      Freedom, hell… survival!

      I’ve got a better idea… let’s swap our Black Is Beautiful aficionados with their so-called evil Apartheidchiks.

      Better to be a live Afrikaaner in Topeka than a dead one in Pretoria.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm Matthew King

        But will it play in Pretoria?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:24 pm Greg Eliot

        So long as it plays in Astoria!

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:10 pm Ulf E

      @ tz2026 – The people who hate the “people who hate what the founders stood for” were and are genetically WHITE!! Genetics are, have always been and always will be helpless against PHILOSOPHICAL IDEAS. Why? Because you’re not borne with the ability to reason correctly. You have to learn how to do that.

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  33. on July 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm Anon

    What a really weird post. The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans still provide us with thousands of wet miles of protection from brown and yellow peoples, even with our stupid policies of the recent past. A major problem with Europe, especially continental Europe, of course, is density and the close proximity to Muslim lands. Um…..what? No way this will happen. You want to go to Europe and be even closer to millions of angry muzzies? Also, as far as continental Europe or white areas, nobody speaks Greek, Italian, Dutch, German, Swedish, etc. All we have to do is enforce the U.S. Constitution’s primary concern: protection of private property, and restore some semblance of 1950s order that contains female hypergamy by law (no “no fault” divorce). And stop rewarding single motherhood and all the other black behaviors. Shame, with culture, the average white woman today aged 19 all the way to 38 (smack in the middle of Gen X), who has 0 kids while Lawfawnda from the ghetto with no job has 8 kids. We good white men can’t find a good woman (one with good genes less than 150 pounds) to give us children!!!! They are too selfish to make their own parents into grandparents. They are busy riding the cock carousel. The answer is not to move to Greece or Italy.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:53 pm Anon

      “What a really weird post. The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans still provide us with thousands of wet miles of protection from brown and yellow peoples”

      WTF??? Oceans providing protection from brown people??? Have you been to an American city lately? They are overflowing with Mexicans and blacks.

      But yes, it is good that the oceans protect America from the yellow peoples. If America was flooded with Asians, Asians would probably bump American whites from the socio-economic top spot within a generation or two.

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  34. on July 2, 2013 at 1:59 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of the possible that should a Nationalist government ever come to power in some European country, that European-Americans could be invited back to “cleanse” the territories of African, Jewish, and Muslim settlements, in return for citizenship.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:32 pm Arsene

      You miss the importance of class in Europe. Will we invite in a lot of US ‘trailer park’ people just because they have nice white skin? Not a chance my friend. It’s always the ‘losers’ who move in mass migratipons and we have enough losers here already thank you.

      [CH: Who actually emigrates is an interesting question. The US is definitely getting the losers of Mexico right now, but in the past many immigrants, or more precisely colonists, were oppressed religious minorities, adventuresome types, or free market capitalists who wanted to strike it rich where there was more opportunity to start one’s own business.]

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm Lara

        In the case of many immigrants to America, the losers turned into the winners.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm Ulf E

        “European immigrants and 3rd world immigrants are not interchangeable.”

        Abolish the welfare state and find out.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 3:47 pm Arsene

        Of course few English barons or French Viscomtes were on the Mayflower. I insist that immigrants have largely been the losers in their own country – that’s why they leave, It has always been the poorest.

        [CH: I would like to see a cite for the poverty of the American colonists (relative to the neighbors they left behind). Genuinely curious about this.]

        These people’s ‘adventuresomeness’ was sparked by the entrepreneurial culture that the US once had – this gave former losers a new chance to become winners.

        {European immigrants and 3rd world immigrants are not interchangeable.]

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:41 pm Ben Gurion

        I do know that London publishing houses sold well over half of their output to the American colonies, far more than was sold in Britain.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:24 pm feministx

        “[CH: I would like to see a cite for the poverty of the American colonists (relative to the neighbors they left behind). Genuinely curious about this.]”

        I doubt it would indicate much regardless because American colonists arrived here before industrialization and free market principles had really proliferated. Hence, people who were poor were not necessarily less able in any way. Back then, people might have been poor because their ancestors sided with Cromwell and were disinherited or because they were part of an unpopular religious order. These things say nothing about a family’s aptitudes.

        Today, if you are poor and working at wal mart for minimum wage as a white person, you are probably not that bright. But being poor in 1701 did not imply the same about innate ability.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:59 pm Fearless

        Not sure if anyone has seen this relatively recent video titled “Immigration Myths Debunked” The speaker Ben Powell echoes you’re thoughts that immigrants are more adventurous in general seeing as how they left their countries to come here despite not sharing language/customs/ etc… Powell however does not specify whether he speaks about illegal or legal immigrants. I do not endorse his views but the video has sparked a fiery debate akin to this article.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm Matthew King

        Arse-knee has no frame of reference. He is a descendant of the “winners” who stayed to be the subject of kings and fodder for permanent revolutionary war until the “losers” came back and forced peace and liberty upon them, while the “winners” were kicking and screaming all the way. Freedoms which they fantasized about for centuries, freedoms bequeathed (not earned) and vouchsafed to them without cost. Now that they shitcanned their prosperity and independence, they blame us for every ill consequence. A slave mind is a slave mind.

        Seriously, we stopped asking for their “support” in Afghanistan because some of these once fierce and martial countries couldn’t field a squad of men who could do jack shit, and only got in the way.

        I can understand the barely-disguised envy. His only criticism of us comes straight out of the Alinskyite interpretation of my culture.

        Hey, winner: there’s a reason the left portrays us in the worst possible (and most inaccurate) light. Think on that one.

        We are a nation of trailer parks? Have you ever visited the fifty cultures of the fifty states? You’re even worse than our media class, even more enamored of our eurotrash-style president than they are. You insecure, delusional dupe.

        What cuntry are you from, boy? Did you notice you were speaking my language? Did you notice the entire planet is too? Do you realize you are aping my culture without even knowing it, while I couldn’t give half-a-fuck what your peon province thinks about my empire?

        Matt

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:25 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

        ” Did you notice you were speaking my language? Did you notice the entire planet is too?”

        Nothing special about this phenomenon. The whole civilized world use to speak Latin at one time.

        “Do you realize you are aping my culture without even knowing it…”

        That’s not exactly an endorsement.

        “…while I couldn’t give half-a-fuck what your peon province thinks about my empire?”

        Your empire? Look around you, Matt. “You” are not in charge anymore.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm Supra

        It’s important to know more about Mexico. There are 30 families there who control the vast majority of the country’s wealth. The fact that there are ‘losers’ there is likely to have less to do with their intrinsic intelligence or ambition, but instead it’s difficult there in the extreme if you’re born into that situation and are not of spanish descent (they have a 2 tier society there – Those of Spanish descent and Indians – basically Incas/Mayans/others). You don’t hear too much about lazy Mexicans in USA so I don’t think there’s too much to worry about in that respect –

        [CH: A recent study showed Mexigrants work less than native whites.]

        The 2nd and 3rd generations will assimilate –

        [Again, recent studies show 3rd and 4th gen Mexigrants are not only NOT assimilating, they are regressing to something resembling the black mean.]

        I only worry about their lack of emphasis on education.

        [There’s more to a nation than its national average IQ.]

        Last but not least, the vast majority of immigrants here were basically serfs or subsistence farmers in Europe and came over close to broke: the huddled masses coming on a hope and a prayer.

        [They built America. Mexicans have, so far, built Mexico. Extrapolate at your leisure.]

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 6:18 pm Ulf E

        CH: … but in the past many immigrants, or more precisely colonists, were oppressed religious minorities, adventuresome types, or free market capitalists who wanted to strike it rich where there was more opportunity to start one’s own business.

        Exactly. And the racists in their home countries were happy to see them go. That’s why Hitler thought he could beat the US. Well, he couldn’t. But he wasn’t beaten by superior genetics, but by a free people who outproduced him!

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 5:37 am Alex

        Yes but it was UK, USA and USSR against Germany(well effectvely at least), and USSR weren’t free people…

        Something more on the subject that you seem to not understand.

        People that created USA weren’t losers, they were religious minorities, and not those traditional of old, but new ones. Which actually means that these were people of great and strong charachter that choose to abandon everything they had in old world because they couldn’t live without the truth as they saw it. These were the STRONGEST of the Old continent, not the weakest.

        But Italian and Irish immigrants may be different story since those may be considered losers in their respective countries, and arrived in US to make a better living.

        Initial behaviour of these groups indeed showes their loserdom mentality (Irish low wage workers, and Italian criminals), but since they were culturally very close to ruling class they could identify with them and became Americans in full sense of a word(not a WASP but…)

        Now Black Americans had like 100 yrs to do the same but keep failing, hispanos though may stand a little better.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm Ulf E

        @ Alex – Yes, I am aware of that, my friend. But UK and USSR wouldn’t have had a chance without US aid and troops (including the USAAF).

        I am aware of that too.

        Black Americans, according to at least Thomas Sowell, were starting to do fine in the 1890s (if I remember correctly) when a wave of racism swept the nation. They had recovered by the early 60s, when “the Great Society” hit them.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 3:57 am Alex

        “But UK and USSR wouldn’t have had a chance without US aid and troops”

        lol I knew you was going to say it.
        Most productive of the help USA provided the Russians with were the studebaker trucks.
        On that point you might even be right. But still i doubt it.
        Russian comeback indeed wouldn’t be as fast as it has been, but i think they would’ve reached Poland – i mean it’s really hard to speak about if, if, if.

        What we can say though is that help you provided benefited you almost directly, and it would have been foolish of you that you haven’t helped.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 3:55 am Eliezer Ben-Yehudah

      what HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE a few months ago was that the King of Spain’s Prime Minister invited any Jew, anywhere in the world, upon the flimsiest assertion of ancestral ties to the Expulsion Of The Jews in 1492, to receive a Spain passport.

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  35. on July 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Too many whites in the rural parts, with guns, for any kind of situation you describe.

    There will be a breakup of the states, lots of bloodshed, but it isn’t going to end well for people who aren’t white.

    When the shit hits the fan, being near a major US city will be like Snake Pliskin and Mad Max having an African love child with turrets and an itchy trigger finger.

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  36. on July 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm PA

    Boers are getting asylum in Georgia (former Soviet republic, not the us state). Presently in small numbers, but this may increase. One reason is to bring farming skill to their moribund post-soviet agriculture. Secondly, because Georgian president’s wife is Dutch and has expressed sympathy to her Boer cousins.

    There is YouTube video of this. The 55year old Boer farmer is profiled in the news clip. He sounds happy like a child to be in Georgia. He reminds me of cold war era eastern Europeans who came to America decades ago.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:44 pm Ben Gurion

      Georgia also has excellent farm land. Glad to hear about this.

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  37. on July 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm Kate

    The view’s pretty nice from where I sit. Still find my last profile a source of mockery? I’ve since found my manicorn, but I can let you know of any desirable real estate, if you want. You’d probably be an entertaining neighbor 🙂

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  38. on July 2, 2013 at 2:43 pm Tom the Democrat

    Good post. We should leave the USA behind for the rednecks.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:24 pm Matthew King

      Do us all a favor.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:45 pm Ben Gurion

      Where’s your compassion and humanism. Are you secretly an elitist?

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 7:17 am eyeslevel

      Redneck is a hate word. You hater.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:54 am Canadian Friend

        In this crazy day and age, white liberals have made it acceptable to hate white people

        let me correct that, they actually encourage it, they even teach it in school

        because they are so tolerant and so open to ALL cultures ( sarcasm )

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  39. on July 2, 2013 at 2:44 pm Wiz

    Why would white Americans want to move back to Europe, when America’s economy is doing relatively better than Europe’s and America just discovered oil in Alaska.

    America has the most white people in the world, so I don’t think the mass migration of over 200 million people into Europe would be good for Europe.
    Europe is already overcrowded because it’s a small continent, and Americans are used to living with wide open spaces.

    Mass immigration of Americans into Europe would increase property prices in Europe drastically, and the Europeans would fear that their countries would be ‘Americanized’ and probably turn into a third world countries.

    Another important factor you miss is that, white Americans aren’t really 100% pure white, most white Americans have some Black or Native American ancestry(I’m not sure exactly how much), whereas most Europeans are nearly 100% white, so they might actually require Americans to take DNA tests, and anybody with more than 5-10% non-white ancestry could be denied entry.

    I find funny how cynical Americans can be about their country, perhaps because people like you have never traveled, you only fear America’s demise because 1.It has a half-black President 2.It’s going to be majority minority by 2043(but still whites will outnumber blacks,Asians and Hispanics on an individual basis) and 3.You’re deep down a covert racist/Nordicist.

    Your last point about moving to Canada is pointless, because it’s ignorant of the fact that Canada is 18% non-White, and non-White people make around 48% of Toronto’s population and over 30% of Vancouver’s population, and it’s growing rapidly in Alberta.

    The only good thing about Euro-Americans moving back to Europe would be that Native Americans,Alaskan Natives and Hawaiians would be able to get their land back.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 7:31 pm eyeslevel

      “The only good thing about Euro-Americans moving back to Europe would be that Native Americans,Alaskan Natives and Hawaiians would be able to get their land back.”
      From the Blacks Mexicans and Asians?

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 7:06 pm Syd Barrett

        At best the Native Americans would end up working 50 hours + to pay for the social benefits afforded to those two upstanding groups. I’m sure the black community would be overjoyed to pack up and leave back to Africa, since the white man left. Dont hold your breath on that one.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 10:49 am Syd Barrett

      ” most white Americans have some Black or Native American ancestry ”

      That’s the biggest load of bs I’ve heard all day. Back it up with facts or STFU.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:48 pm Greg Eliot

        The cogdissery around here often degenerates into hyperbolic bovine excrement.

        “Most” is one of those keywords to watch for, among the disingenuous.

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  40. on July 2, 2013 at 2:45 pm ballomar

    You guys are welcome. And choose any country you want.

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  41. on July 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm askjoe

    more likely secession followed by a bloody balkanization as races self-select their geographic area. Followed by an even bloodier reprisals against the right kind of white people who got us in this mess are slaughtered.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:48 pm Ben Gurion

      I still insist on enslaving their women.

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 9:20 pm Greg Eliot

        I’ll settle for hearing their lamentations.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 11:41 pm Anonymous

      Followed by an even bloodier reprisals against the right kind of white people who got us in this mess are slaughtered.

      That, more than anything else, is what I’m in for. It’s not enough that the Enlightened™ are merely out of power – I want them punished! Start oiling up those guillotines!

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  42. on July 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm Supra

    It will be more subtle and it’s already been happening: We will move to enclaves within America that suit our socio economic status and avoid contact with others below us to the extent it’s possible. Those who can will create an escape hatch, hedging their bets with a house in Costa Rica, a small Farm in Peru, and bank accounts and businesses, or some way to get an income stream (a share in a business for example) elsewhere. Europe: I don’t think so unless you get somewhere interesting and cost/tax effective like Moldova, Romania or Khazakstan (before you laugh pls note there are a Million or more Russian nationals there which means 6′ tall blondes 😉 Who would subject themselves to the 62.5% tax rate in Denmark (not to mention everything else there (like a VW wagon costing $100k and gas at $12/gallon – these are actuals, all of them taken directly from my Danish associates)

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 6:21 am Glengarry

      Europe is a great place for tax planning if that’s the way you lean. Off the top of my head, there’s Ireland, the Netherlands, UK and territories, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Monaco. Pour one out for Cyprus. And then EE and the Balkans.

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  43. on July 2, 2013 at 3:15 pm askjoe

    holy crap: that Radish Mag tweet/link. It’s a mystery. I feel like I need more diversity, self-divestment courses.

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  44. on July 2, 2013 at 3:23 pm SC

    Yep. I agree with the back to Europe agreement for any European American who doesn’t like diversity. Because at least when people of the various European nations create right-wing nationalist movements (like National Front and Golden Dawn) they actually have the best reasons to do so.

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  45. on July 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm The Scolds' Bridle

    B2E for the lefties, for sure.

    The conservative version will be called “flight to Idaho”.

    The Central Mountain states are a tough place to thrive as a criminal or general layabout, so that area may attract the productive conservative, provided they can give up their more urban existences elsewhere.

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  46. on July 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm migsflecha

    Return to Europe has already begun.
    I’m fond of Argentina and follow their politics etc. I noted about 10 years ago during one their cyclical economic downturns Argentines w/ Italian ancestry were flocking to the Italian Embassy to begin the re-patriation process. I thought that was ironic and strange but now I see their point.
    “Uh, sorry but my grandfather left Italy to come here and I just wanted to ask if I, maybe, could go back and work his family farm?”

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm Supra

      Check out Uruguay instead. Argentina is an absolute economic/political mess as you should know. Uruguay has very minimal income tax and corporate tax. They get their money from property taxes and it’s very much up and coming in a way most Milton Friedman admiring people would applaud.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 3:51 pm corvinus

      Argentina is one thing. But there has never been any period in American history when large numbers of Americans emigrated abroad, or at least exceeded those immigrating (except at one brief period during the Great Depression).

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:33 pm yeahokcool

      i liked argentina a lot. i was just there for a few weeks a couple months ago. but, i don’t think i would want to live there, either.

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  47. on July 2, 2013 at 3:58 pm Scray

    Psh anyone who even considers leaving America over stupid shit like this should just gtfo. I eagerly await the cunt diaspora. Half of this country was settled by people who made do in the middle of fucking deserts. I’m confident that that pioneer strain won’t be the one we’ll lose. So sayonara, as far as I’m concerned.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 8:27 pm Matthew King

      Yes, and fuck yes.

      If only the runts would self-deport.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm Scray

        To be more clear, though, so there’s no confusion (hate to niggle over differences): racialist whining is the same as any other whining. There are only two groups worth mentioning — winners and losers. Now, some of you may chime in with ‘aha, but ONE group tends to have MORE winners….’ Shut the fuck up. Anyone who attempts to subsume a group’s accomplishments onto his or herself as an individual is a piece of shit, plain and simple. Why? It’s value taking at its finest. If your individual “genetic stock” were anything noteworthy, there’d be little need to look outside the bounds of yourself to find something great that can, in some way, be connected to you.

        Back to our commonality: the market, sexual…economic…whatever, is king. The most important phrase in the American language is “prove it.”

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:18 pm Greg Eliot

        Say it loud: “I’M BLACK AND PROUD!”

        Funny how you “others” never mention the “you can’t take pride in your kind because YOU yourself didn’t do (whatever)” tripe argument during Black History month, sports triumphs, etc.

        It’s natural for people to “root” for their own kind, much like parents root for their own children, kids take pride in Granddad’s or Dad’s achievements, etc., etc. etc.

        So you and your ilk should just stow this tack of Cathedral litany… it’s hypocritical, for if anyone is racially proud and aware, for deeds both real and imagined, it’s those who attempt to deride whites for it… and it makes no sense in that the human psyche has a healthy and natural affinity towards one’s own family and extended family,

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:52 pm Scray

        Ummmmm….do you see me taking credit for any group’s achievements? Classic fucking whiner — turning and projecting your own faggotry onto others. Go quote some more movies, champ.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 2:16 pm Greg Eliot

        For the record, it was a song, not a movie.

        And quit whining about alleged whining…

        You runner-up fairy.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:20 pm Greg Eliot

        The only thing worse than “racialist whining” is disingenuous anti-white whining masquerading as some sort of high horsemanship..

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 8:18 am Matthew King

        What’s with the hasty defensiveness? I wasn’t even talking about race, I was talking about the men who cannot handle their own independence and liberty, which is what I assumed you were talking about.

        See, the perceived racism in every gesture isn’t nearly so much of a problem as our tip-toeing paranoia over being racist. It just transformed an otherwise solid chap like you into a mouthpiece for the regime, which is the truest, most reliable, institutional racist there is.

        You think we make everything about race? Who insists you note your skin color on government forms? Who interprets the motivation for all evil against minorities as cryptic racism just waiting to be uncovered? Who sets aside quotas for underachievers? Who manipulates white guilt into effecting a permanent, self-enforcing, self-hatred over your own people?

        And most specifically, who unconsciously perpetuates this silent condemnation, which relies on making the mere discussion of the topic taboo? You just injected it into this minithread, and now we are forced to reply, lest we consent to one more instance of gratuitous, anti-white animus.

        Matt

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 1:36 pm Scray

        Your assumption was correct — however, I spare nothing from my belief. The people who are “waiting on the world to change” are whiners, and so are the people who keep kicking the ground over “thinning” viking blood.

        What I did was formally declare that difference, because it’s crucial. Even here, we can see all the walk, talk, act like a ducktoms of the crybaby disease. Instead of being a racist, a dissenter must necessarily be full of anti-white animus. But, we can disagree. I clarified to illustrate clearly who I was, rather than convert.

        We can probably agree that America is grand. And her attempt to tackle these problems at all is further evidence of greatness. Happy 4th, guys. Later.

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      • on July 10, 2013 at 12:03 pm bleach

        “racialist whining is the same as any other whining. There are only two groups worth mentioning — winners and losers.”

        Thoughts that only White people have ever had.

        Good luck convincing every other race to go along with your hyper-individualist ethos. But odds are the only people who will ever even listen to these opinions are other Whites.

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  48. on July 2, 2013 at 4:09 pm Kronos1978

    Luckily, the language barrier alone is sufficient to keep most americans away from Europe. And your propaganda is so efficient, that 99% of all Americans really believe that the US are the “greatest country in the world”, thus refraining most people from even thinking about a life outside the US. For the broad majority of people who are not either rich or famous, Europe has so much more to offer than the US…let alone our cultural richness and history & of course a much higher percentage of hot women, even in the low-tier countries as compared to the US.

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  49. on July 2, 2013 at 4:14 pm Anonymous

    Post-Christrian Europe consists of devout Cultural Marxist states. As such, they will oppose white migration from the U.S in favor of immigrants from Africa and Muslim nations. The idea that Europe would allow widescale white immigration is too preposterous to discuss. What a stupid article.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:51 pm Ben Gurion

      Sad but true.

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  50. on July 2, 2013 at 4:20 pm anonymous does not forgive

    Another plus of Europe. Nice low ages of consent in the teens, so you can legally nail high school girls who stay the same age while you get older.

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  51. on July 2, 2013 at 4:24 pm Rum

    In my experience, Euros do not think about Americans unless they have to. All of their strong feelings are aimed at their neighbors.
    North America is largely empty. Look at a night-satelite picture if you doubt this.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm Nietzsche

      there’s no need to destroy the wilderness or attempt to stupidly populate the deserts. Just kick out the niggers, spics, muslims and raise boys to be men.

      Bring back the Great Books For Men and toss out girl porn and faggot bullshit.

      If we’re successful, and we fix things, it will last almost a century at best. Then it will all happen again.

      then we’ll be forced to leave, as is told in the Sacred Scrolls of Pythia.

      So say we all..

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 1:13 am Wiz

        @Nietzsche Muslim isn’t a race or an ethnicity like Jewish is.
        Muslims can be of any race, white,black,brown or yellow, one of the most popular Imams in the U.S is Imam Suhaib Webb, he’s a white guy, there many Asian,Arab,Persian,Bosnian and Black Muslims.

        Muslims aren’t really a threat to America because they don’t leech off of government programs, the reason is that 34% of Americans Muslims are Asian, and Asians aren’t eligible for Affirmative Action, 26% of American Muslims are Arabs and Arabs are categorized as White by the U.S census bureau so they don’t get any benefits either, and around 15% of American Muslims are Persian and they’re also classified as white, the rest are Bosnian,Chechen,Albanian,Berber and W.A.S.P converts , and Black people make up only a 20% of the American Muslim population,so only 1 in 5 Muslims in America benefit from Affirmative Action.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 4:59 am ?

        “Muslims aren’t really a threat to America because they don’t leech off of government programs, ”

        Oh really? They are only the proponents of terrorism but who’s looking.

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  52. on July 2, 2013 at 4:35 pm alphatoddler

    Stick to the game, Heartiste.
    Your political harangues are ill-conceived and short sighted.
    Europe has exactly the same problems as ‘merica does, only ten times worse.
    The SWPLs are everywhere and in positions of power, no ousting them anytime soon.
    Even if I agreed with you that immigration is systematically a bad thing, Europe has way more immigration and illegals than does ‘merica.
    In short, Europe is more fucked than the US.
    The only frontier left is space.
    Let’s colonize the moon and re-enact Heinlein, that would be fun.

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  53. on July 2, 2013 at 4:46 pm anotheronetakesthepill

    you must be insane. Regarding game and chicks Europe (at least Western Europe and Scandinavia) is following the steps of the US.
    Regarding economics and migration. Governments here keep us busy filling our countries with saharian or subsaharian non-qualified immigrants and romanian gypsies everywhere (look for them and the consecuences in Italy, Spain, Sweden, Hungary, France, you name it)
    There is no going back, it is the multiculti of the left. The immigrants which are coming here to pay for our retirement (ha!) and while unemployed they are having kids in numbers that surpass us (3,4 for muslims)
    If the US is damned we are next

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm Nietzsche

      There is no running and hiding. there’s no resettling where we came from. We’re not our ancestors. We’re nothing like Europeans. In order to control our fate and the fate of this nation and maintain our way of life, or what SHOULD be our way of life, is to fight. Fight the government, fight the people who come here and have the nerve to claim they can come here because it’s stolen land and destroy them or send them back to the Hell from whence they came, because there is no reasoning with them.

      People have no respect for Americans and our claim to this soil because we don’t fight for it. BLOOD is all that is respected and honored. Blood shared and the spilling and potential spilling of Blood. Everything else is secondary.

      Do any of you people imagine we’d have to hear bullshit about Indians and our lack of a right to this country if detractors were immediately sent home, or killed when they got out of line?

      I especially like the cunts who talk about Mexican’s claim to the west. Spend 5 minutes reading up on the atrocious behavior on the part of the newly independent Mexican government who went right to work on the South Western Indians with whom Spain had a somewhat mutually beneficial arrangement.

      Surprise surprise when the White Man left Mexico to do it’s own bidding, they fucked it up royally.

      The irony of it, and the forming of Texas is that they welcomed immigrants to the territory (White people) who actually used the land, in an attempt to quell the Indian raids. Look how that turned out once the White Man outnumbered the brown half-savage Mexican.

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  54. on July 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm sigmatika

    >Canada is closer and more simpatico (speak the same language)

    Could’ve fooled me.
    I’m not sure how even English-speaking Canada would react to a wave of Yank immigrants; Quebec ain’t gonna have it, not until it’s forced on them.

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  55. on July 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm Sal Paradise

    Despite what a lot of people are writing on here, America is worse off than most of Western Europe, Australia, and Canada. Those places all have much more sensible immigration policies than we do. We have gone from 90% white to barely over 60% white in a generation. They all have higher percentages than that, even if they’re following the same suicidal path we are on.

    We do have a tradition of limited government and freedom though they don’t have, as was manifested with the tea party grass roots movement in 2009. You wouldn’t have that in Europe–but then again, you wouldn’t have a UKIP party in America.

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:05 pm English Dude

      Heh, England’s capital city, (London), 45% identified as White British in 2011, (probably even worse now). And that’s in the capital. Imagine what it’s like for us further out in the “Sanctuary” areas where they’ve been specifically hoarding them in. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20680565

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 5:21 pm corvinus

      Here’s a dirty little secret: compare Canada to the northern U.S. Which is whiter?

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      • on July 2, 2013 at 7:14 pm Canadian Friend

        I am in Canada and it is less white everyday , believe me.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 10:51 am corvinus

        I was in Ontario a few years ago, and I was shocked at the numbers of South Asians I saw there. Lots of Chinese too, but I’m used to seeing lots of Chinese as I live in a university town. It looks like Canada is trying to brown itself as much as the U.S., even though we have our own native blacks and have built up a Latin American horde due to being next door to their homelands. What’s Canada’s excuse??

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  56. on July 2, 2013 at 5:25 pm Dan

    I know a couple people who have gotten European citizenship based on the immigrant status of their parents or grandparents here in the US. I would qualify for it in Germany if my mom had been born in the US instead of Canada when my grandparents emigrated from Germany. My aunt was born in the US so my cousins are looking into it. My friend, through his wife, and their children are now dual citizens of the US and Italy.

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  57. on July 2, 2013 at 5:50 pm PA

    This video is one I referred to upthread – Boer farmers given asylum in eh former Soviet republic of Georgia. The Boer refugee in the video reminds me of Eastern European immigrants to America during Communism with his almost childlike joy at finally being free.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 10:51 am corvinus

      Vera is kinda cute, although her eyebrows are rather prominent.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 12:20 pm Robard

      I think the impression of “childlike joy” that you have has something to do with the farmer’s slightly slurred speech. As a South African I can testify that it is not due to his accent, but rather probably to brain injury as can be deduced by the prominent dent in his forehead. Likely he is one of the lucky few to have actually survived a farm attack.

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  58. on July 2, 2013 at 6:17 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

    A see a little problem with your theory there, Heartiste. “They” will follow you everywhere. The “oppressed” just can’t get enough of that “oppression,” my friend.

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  59. on July 2, 2013 at 6:25 pm Anonymous

    If any of you fence sitters need more proof before deciding to leave and renouncing your U.S. citizenship (yes, you have to give up citizenship or you continue to owe the IRS on all earnings made outside the country:

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    • on July 2, 2013 at 6:27 pm corvinus

      Actually, you only have to pay U.S. taxes if you make more than ~$100,000 abroad. But yeah, I agree that it’s stupid you have to do it at all.

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  60. on July 2, 2013 at 6:32 pm spunky

    I thonk conservatives will go back to europe due to bloofd loyalty.liberal would run to japn korea or china.
    Euro obeisty is still lower than usa any giirl there would be a step up.
    Adaptin will be no problem if somalians can handle sweden it shouldnt be a problem
    culture wise europe has anericanized to a degree thanx to ge media.
    Europe has mixed with each other viking barabrian roman greek celts arabs turks n huns invadin eaxh other on that land.
    Aldo leftys will just wind up givin up there arms like iceland. Eueope will become superpower again

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  61. on July 2, 2013 at 6:38 pm rdchemist

    I don’t see a “Back to Europe” movement at all. Not from anybody who knows better. The EU is more screwed up than the US is. The US somehow fought two wars and bailed out banks and auto manufacturers and we’re still not as screwed up as the EU is right now. Most of their talent has immigrated to other western countries and they can’t even feed themselves without importing most of their grain. Eastern Europe might be a viable option as long as they don’t join the EU (sorry Croatia). And I only say that because of the favorable exchange rates.

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  62. on July 2, 2013 at 6:41 pm Sigma Male

    Heartiste said: So where does a Euro-mutt American resettle in Europe? Germany? England? Italy?

    Sigma Male replies: Haplotype should determine resettlement.

    Mine is I1 … Mother Europe awaits brothers and sisters, let us make haste.

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  63. on July 2, 2013 at 6:50 pm bluegrass

    If you have the wherewithal to move to Europe on your own, than you might as well just use your motivation and spirit to just fight for the White Republic in America.

    At that point, where Europe is the final refuge, I think fighting will be saner and easier than running for your average White American.

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  64. on July 2, 2013 at 7:06 pm Shawn

    The Solutrean hypothesis does have some scientific backing. It is a theory about the peopling of the Americas, according to which Whites from Europe may have been among the earliest settlers of the American continent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

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  65. on July 2, 2013 at 7:15 pm Sam Spade

    What you ‘owe to your country’ is really what someone wants you to do to please him, but for which he’s unwilling to make it worth your while. – Harry Browne

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  66. on July 2, 2013 at 7:24 pm Neecy

    Yes please all you paranoid *RACISTS* PLEASE LEAVE AMERICA! That will be the best thing to ever happen to this place!

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 1:33 am whiskeysplace

      Without White people the population of Detroit would start eating each other to avoid starvation in week. Tops. Without White people the population of Detroit would have no one to sew them up after shooting each other — their shootings which are now survived would turn into mass murder.

      Hey — that’s a great idea. Lets all leave. Detroit will be like Africa, with child sacrifice, albino and pygmy cannibalism, only with snow.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 2:18 am Canadian Friend

      If they leave America will then turn into one large Detroit hell hole

      Maybe to you this is ” the best thing to happen to this place”

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  67. on July 2, 2013 at 7:36 pm Mr. C

    Why don’t more of you Americans come over to Australia?
    The way things are going here were are going to get completely overrun by the Chinese and Indians.
    It’s getting fucking ridiculous here.

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  68. on July 2, 2013 at 8:00 pm “Back To Europe” Movement « PUA Central

    […] “Back To Europe” Movement […]

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  69. on July 2, 2013 at 8:40 pm ARoss

    I’d turn Amish before I’d turn European. Also I’d say we should have taken the original Planet of the Apes seriously as the Muslim invasion of our culture is mirroring that movie. only it’ll be the Planet of the Desert Apes.

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  70. on July 2, 2013 at 8:49 pm WEIII

    This is a timely post for me. I’ve been planning on making sure my son learns German and reestablishing connections to distant relatives in Germany so at least he can bug out when the time comes.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 1:22 pm foo

      weird. why not learn the aryan language: sanskrit/hindi instead ?

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 2:37 pm DdR

      I’ve learned German and am now fluent. My career has skyrocketed after mastering the language, as there is great demand for German-speaking Americans who can work on both sides of the Atlantic. You’re doing your son a huge service.

      I’ve lived in Germany for a few years, then was moved to NYC to help open up a subsidiary here. I am much better remunerated in the US, but if they asked me to come back to Germany, I would jump on it in a heartbeat even though I would take a huge paycut. Living in a country where the people are civilized, respectful, intelligent, and clean, where everything just works and is of high quality, is just amazing.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 3:02 pm Mr.Mxyzptlk

        Have you considered Nigeria? Its like that too!

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  71. on July 2, 2013 at 8:55 pm hairy ape

    Not gonna work.

    Whites gonna cluster around “reservations” / compounds in the midwest like Native Americans and Fundamentalist Mormons.

    Speaking of Mormons, especially the radical polygamous sect, they’re doing the right thing in preserving the white race and pumping out dozens of white kids. I grew up around mormon girls and they’re the sweetest nicest white girls around, not skankified nor tainted by mainstream culture and not attracted to black cock. Say what you want regarding their crazy beliefs, but the moral upbringing is there.

    As an evil Chinaman concerned about the plight of the white people against the invading Muslim hordes, I’ve been thinking about using my wealth and power to adopt fatherless white girls and school them through the best Geisha schools in Japan. Trained in the art of being feminine and submissive, I will then parade my adopted daughters in front of salivating beta white males and extract a premium bride price for them. Imagine hot white girls behaving like demure asian women and not susceptible to alpha bartenders since only Beta game works on them… hahahaha, I’ll be rich!

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm Greg Eliot

      Not a chinaman’s chance in hell…

      You yellow fairy.

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    • on July 4, 2013 at 5:08 am goodspeed

      “Whites gonna cluster around “reservations” / compounds in the midwest like Native Americans and Fundamentalist Mormons.”
      Might be something like that, or maybe the country will be divided by race and political lines.

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    • on July 4, 2013 at 5:13 am Gracian

      Indeed, you sound like an extremely thoughtful, enterprising, and well-intentioned young ‘Chinaman’. Yes! Go forth!

      I swear some of you keyboard ‘warriors and social architects’ provide more entertainment than I could ever have imagined. And yes, I know its rude to laugh at stupid people, but goddamnit….you MFs are funny !!!.

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  72. on July 2, 2013 at 9:23 pm Rum

    Neanderthals understood the meaning of enforced diversity. I mean, like from both sides.
    It is going to be effing awesome when more and more DNA/genome results come into the general awareness.
    The only picture I have up in my office is of a red-haired, green eyed child who died in a cave in Spain about 40,000 years ago. And that of her DNA Nature set out to preserve.
    Since a huge percentage of the people I work with recognize themselves – in maybe 3 milliseconds – in that picture, it is “interesting, in an interesting way.
    But of course, I say it is all just a joke. She was not even really human. Her brain was growing too fast for pre-school and she threw a baseball funny.

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  73. on July 2, 2013 at 9:44 pm HeadingNorth

    Hard to see how Europe would be more attractive than making a last stand in a region of the US. The issue of energy resources, arable land, fresh water, and a reliable climate make the upper Midwest, northwest & bits of New England most attractive. The far left is deeply entrenched in western Europe & are doing their best to outlaw dissent until their desired demographic transformation is complete. Probably game over in Europe by 2025 or so.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 12:52 pm Greg Eliot

      +111

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  74. on July 2, 2013 at 10:17 pm Mike in Boston

    Contrary to assumption, I think most B2Eers will be of the liberal persuasion.
    Consider instead Thomas Fleming‘s “Looking Backward” in the July dead-tree issue of Chronicles:

    … [Obama’s notional successor] passed the Universal Freedom of Religion Act making it illegal for churches to deny any sacrament or ceremony to anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity, age… sex, or gender… One by one, disjointed fragments of Christendom found themselves stripped of their tax-exempt status and subjected to fines and penalties… The last outposts of Christianity in the post-Christian world– Greece, Serbia, Portugal, Poland, Slovakia, and especially Russia– gave refuge to fleeing Orthodox and traditionalist Catholics. The European Parliament protested against the admission of so many bigots to Europe…

    You could quibble with some of the countries on Fleming’s list, but his scenario rings truer to me. The American state wants tax revenue and hates anyone who dares question the sacredness of diversity.

    My great-grandparents came to this country because it was a place they could earn a good living honestly while following their own brand of Christianity rather than the government’s. But with the state pushing its unreligion through the media and antidiscrimination laws, neither of these is as true now as it used to be. On the other hand, there is, maybe not a majority, but a strong plurality in at least Serbia and Slovakia (haven’t been to the others) that takes their faith seriously. So why stick around? If you go back to wherever your ancestors came from, you get all the benefits of a less diverse and more faith-oriented society. What a break from the liberal melting pot!

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  75. on July 2, 2013 at 10:33 pm James K

    Don’t forget “America Alone”. Western Europe is increasingly Muslim, and will probably be majority Islamic in 100 years time. Europeans might want to flee to America.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 5:24 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

      “Who has the right to say that France in thirty or forty years will not be a Muslim country? Who has the right? Nobody has the right to take that from us, nobody has the right to deny us that hope. To deny us the right to hope for a global society faithful to Islam.”

      Who has the right?

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  76. on July 2, 2013 at 11:16 pm Marco

    Canada or Australia seem more plausible. I’ve thought about Australia or a gringo colony Mexico myself. Europe will probably descend into anarchy and civil war sooner than the US.

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  77. on July 2, 2013 at 11:47 pm Mr.C

    With the Australian dollar taking a dive, things are looking even better for Americans wanting to come here.
    http://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/stevens-puts-dollar-in-tailspin-20130703-2pann.html
    I am really getting tired of walking though central Melbourne and being surrounded by a sea of Asian and Indian faces.
    To top it off, the vast majority of their women are fucking ugly.

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  78. on July 3, 2013 at 12:25 am Ryan Vann

    Makes more sense to coordinate a massive migration within the country to specific states and try to establish bastions of unity. Euroland is too much of clusterfuck (though it would be interesting to be at the ground level to see if Eurozone skepticism gains traction). Moreover, there is a dear cost to expatriating from both a cultural/mental and financial sense, not to mention the complications of the emigration process itself.

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  79. on July 3, 2013 at 1:05 am ab

    I’ve been predicting incountry anti migration laws. No you can’t flee detroits nightlife or massachusetts lovely taxes. No idea how they will implement them, but they are coming. Keep all the white folks from fleeing to a galts gulch. Probably do it under some diversity scheme, white people could move to detroit but not utah or vermont(wouldnt recommend vt), because those places are too white already. States have tried it with tax penalties for leaving, something federal will happen. You belong to your state slave.

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    • on July 5, 2013 at 9:21 am Anonymous

      States will also start keeping others out. The last thing we need here is a bunch of Yankees telling us how we can be just like them if we try hard enough.

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  80. on July 3, 2013 at 1:19 am skilaki

    Things are about to get interesting. My predictions:

    1. There will be an economic collapse here in the US before Obama ends his term.

    2. There will be a civil war in the US, resulting in the break-up into different countries (one composed of red states. others composed of blue states).

    3. An establishment of a new country composed of red states will then see an exodus of hispanics to blue states or back to latin America as they look for work plus the fact that the welfare system they mooched off of for decades finally runs dry or has been shut off to them.

    4. Europe will become more Muslim and ethnic/racial/cultural conflicts will only worsen. More Europeans will leave for elsewhere, with many heading to the new red-state nation in the former US.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 2:36 pm Canadian Friend

      You are probably right…unfortunately…

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    • on July 4, 2013 at 4:48 am Gracian

      Yeah. Unfortunately, I must agree with your predictions. Not gonna be pretty. 😦

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  81. on July 3, 2013 at 1:57 am whiskeysplace

    Its time to be realistic about White people. We are going extinct. Mostly because we are not having kids, and non-Whites are at enormous rates, moving into White historic nations.

    The UK, France, the Scandinavian countries, Spain, Italy, Greece — all doomed. The kids there are all … Muslim. It will be like Syria (beheading Catholic bishops to cheers from the “youth”) or Egypt or Iran or Saudi. Hellholes. All. The UK is dead, it just does not know it yet. It might retreat further into fantasy of Harry Potter and an English past, but its future is Black and Pakistani and oh so Muslim. With variations, that is most of Europe.

    INCLUDING Russia. Which has even lower birthrates and even higher fertility among … MUSLIMS. Russia’s future is the Koran, and even Putin knows it. Half his people’s children are Muslims. Not even he can kill enough of them to make a difference.

    The two choices then are Ireland, which is poor, but isolated in the Atlantic, and filled with angry and resentful people, and Switzerland, which is rich, ringed by defensible mountains, but surrounded by soon to be majority Muslim nations. Within twenty and certainly thirty years, nearly all of Europe will look like say, Egypt does today with its people. Bear that in mind.

    I would argue for New Zealand. True its people are insane, and lefty liberal. The place is beautiful (I’ve seen it myself), and ISOLATED. It is hard to get there. There are not many jobs or much wealth. That cuts down in the vibrancy, though there is a lot of Pacific Islander vibrancy around. You won’t get as many Muslims and Africans, or the future of Australia, which is to be a joint colony of China and Indonesia, as both race to see who can effectively colonize it first and decisively. [My guess is Australia is only twenty years away from anti-White laws restricting White property ownership, voting, firearms ownership, and mandating groveling to non-Whites.]

    After that, Chile. Also fairly isolated, remote, unattractive to migrants, and with a small, limited population needing skills. Spanish is not that hard to learn, and it might be a White refuge from the coming annihilation here and in most of Europe. Larger South American countries will have a large population aching to kill the Gringo and take his money. Argentina and Uruguay would fit the bill save the insanity of their people and the eternal re-run of Evita Peron, and the nearness of Brazil and the vibrancy sure to come surging south.

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  82. on July 3, 2013 at 2:54 am poohbum

    The founding fathers were traitors, the reason why America is the way it is. They broke from the ancestral people when they didn’t need to, and decided to make a new ‘American Adam’ which made it far worse. The only betrayal here is when the father betrayed their homeland. Now you give your life and soul to a flag that means nothing, and more and more we are seeing that it means NOTHING.

    To their credit, the traitors didn’t expect it to be this bad, they probably imagined an Anglo-Briton utopia without the extras. But of course, that just goes to show how short-sighted they were. ALSO: The U.K. is far from innocent, if anything they encouraged it, the founding fathers wouldn’t have revolted if it wasn’t in their DNA and heritage to do so, and the U.K. has been as bad, if not worse in terms of traitor-hood. So for Europeans to mock Americans would be rich, since they have done worse (and started this all).

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 3:04 pm Scray

      lol is this a serious post?

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  83. on July 3, 2013 at 5:24 am Mauve

    Hey CH, the clulture clash, that’s interesting !
    As an european, since I started reading your blog, I couldn’t help but wonder “Would it work with the women here?”

    Could you write an article on the culture differences, or explain me here what those are and how they should affect my game?

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  84. on July 3, 2013 at 6:02 am Flip

    White migration to the Northwest (Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming) makes the most sense to me. Boise real estate is a buy long-term.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 10:32 am Georgia Boy

      Yep. And to slow down the welfare class from following, just vote against any and all forms of public transportation.

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      • on July 3, 2013 at 12:01 pm John South

        Voting works really well I hear, especially when the other side cheats constantly.

        They’ll drop 40000 Somalis on your butt and you’ll lose.

        Sooner or later you’re going to have to stand up for yourselves.

        No more running, fleeing, or negotiating.

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  85. on July 3, 2013 at 7:03 am The young fogey

    Another great post and thread. Lived there. It probably wouldn’t work. But it’s an understandable impulse. We’re naturally tribal, even the liberals.

    About language: amazing how, in 400 years of separate development, British and American English didn’t become separate languages like Spanish and Portuguese, and Russian and Ukrainian. They sound so different because English sounded different in the 1600s, when the English colonized North America. Australia and New Zealand sound Britishy because they were settled much later.

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  86. on July 3, 2013 at 7:42 am ain't go no name

    As a 9th-generation white South Carolinian who is unsuccessfully trying to emigrate to Ireland, Denmark, the UK, or somewhere similar, this article hits home for me.

    I’ll be honest, though, much of what you say it moot — Europeans don’t seem to want people like me to emigrate.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 9:14 am feministx

      Lie on your application and say you are from the Congo. Should speed things up.

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  87. on July 3, 2013 at 8:15 am cryo

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/roman-polanski-slams-birth-control-pill-sexual-equality-idiotic-article-1.1355585

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  88. on July 3, 2013 at 8:55 am Socialkenny the pickup artist

    I really don’t understand why Australia would be a bad idea for relocation. I’m not white so I probably can’t see it.

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  89. on July 3, 2013 at 11:56 am John South

    You’re going to cede territory to people you consider to be inferiors without a fight?

    Return groveling to the land your forefathers fled to escape oppression?

    Sounds beta, omegaish to me.

    Adolf would know what to do.

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  90. on July 3, 2013 at 12:14 pm Sidewinder

    If anyone listens to a single thing I post on here, please note:

    The best solution for whites is to form new states out of the existing States. This is by far the easiest legal/constitutional means of achieving greater self-determination for whites. Currently, northern Colorado is seeking to become a new state, North Colorado. This is how West Virginia was formed, as well as Tennessee and Kentucky.

    There are a number of areas where I think this would work given existing politics. Downstate Illinois is a huge opportunity. With the exception of Peoria and East St. Louis, it is almost exclusively white, rural/small town. Downstate Illinois has hated the Chicago political machine for over 100 years. Ohio and Michigan are also good candidates for splitting off into new States. Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin are largely white as it is. Missouri would be another good candidate if it would excise the ghetto hellholes of STL and KC. Depending on how immigration turns out, Texas may need to divide into additional states. It is actually easier to achieve statehood out of an existing state than to ratify a constitutional amendment.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 2:32 pm DdR

      I can tell you that most Upstate New Yorkers would gladly secede from New York State and let Downstate handle its own issues. Our views are diametrically opposed.

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    • on July 5, 2013 at 6:42 pm Syd Barrett

      How would you prevent the federal government from enacting the same failed, ant-white policies in your new states. How would you prevent non-whites from moving there. Sounds more like you would need new countries.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 8:04 am Ben Gurion

        There’s a world of difference between the attitude of the state in Alabama and New York. It shows in the daily life too. I never see police in my neighborhood. They don’t need them. They also have the castle doctrine and a laissez faire attitude as long as it doesn’t get the church grannies upset. New York is very intereventionist. Upstate and central NY are a lot like Alabama in terms of attitudes about government. Much more so than they are with Albany and NY south of there.

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  91. on July 3, 2013 at 1:29 pm Holden Caulfield

    Maybe I missed it in the 450+ comments here, but has anyone commented on the destructive nature of blacks and Mexicans? Is it inherent in their race, culture, upbringing, etc.? One now tragic example is Detroit: 50 years ago, the 4th wealthiest city in the country and now, a total hell hole.

    What changed? It became more diverse.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 1:37 pm cryo

      Hard to have that discussion here without instigating the pathetic mewling of race apologists. Dey just like us!

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 2:16 pm English Dude

      London is an absolute dump now many of the areas are completely non-white. In a Somalian district of my own city, even women have been seen squatting and literally having a shit right in the street. I don’t have any problem with someone of another race, but the problem is when they bring their culture along with them.

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 3:02 pm Canadian Friend

      “… has anyone commented on the destructive nature of blacks and Mexicans?…”

      Not being allowed to talk about it is one of the reasons why us whites are now an endangered species

      We try to speak about it but they call us “evil rayciss” to shut us up

      Those we are not allowed to criticizes are those who control us

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    • on July 3, 2013 at 4:20 pm Ulf E

      @ Holden Caulfield – No. The 60s happened. Get rid of your Lefties and the effects of their policies will disappear with them.

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  92. on July 3, 2013 at 5:27 pm Osmuni

    Eurabia? Really?

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  93. on July 3, 2013 at 5:28 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

    Heartiste, take a look at this gem: Why America Needs an Immigrant Underclass.

    Lolllzololzzzz

    From the same website: The Economics of Slut-Shaming.

    I think she reads the Chateau.

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    • on July 4, 2013 at 11:52 am NiceGuyGoneCad (@NiceGuyGoneCad)

      White elites are the biggest threat to white people by far, more than any other non-white people. The only fair and effective solution for them is ROPE.

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  94. on July 3, 2013 at 6:42 pm Jeremiah J. Timmins

    If the libtards and race traitors went back to Europe, white conservatives would make America a paradise again.

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  95. on July 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm Mr. C

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  96. on July 3, 2013 at 9:56 pm Nicole

    My 2 cents, for what it’s worth…

    America is a continent that, since it had a significant number of people in it, had people of varying complexions, ethnicities/races in it. That’s just the land and how things are.

    So long as you stay in America, you will become more American.

    To some degree, electricity and fossil fuels insulate you from this reality, but in the past it did not, which is why in the past, there was a considerable amount of mixing, despite the hype. Whether legitimized or not, in rather large numbers, people felt an urge to acclimate themselves and their offspring.

    America is not a “white” continent, and even just the U.S. is not a “white” country. Europeans just insist, for some reason, on conquering places that they aren’t built to live in long term.

    The Romans had it right when they would go to a place, take over, set up a system of tribute, and then leave. Those officials who had to stay in those areas where they were unsuited and unwanted, were known to have a shit job that they were relegated to as a way to keep them far from Rome.

    So I’m as supportive of a back to Europe movement as I am a back to Africa movement. If you don’t go back, then you should strongly consider becoming more American and less of a colonist.

    If you loved the land like a Native American, you wouldn’t be in this mess.

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    • on July 4, 2013 at 6:48 am Nicator

      Drivel.

      “If you loved the land like a Native American, you wouldn’t be in this mess.”

      Native Americans had no sovereign federation or border control. Look where it got them. Loving the land like Native Americans is why is the Europeans who made this place worth living in are being dispossessed.

      Don’t fool yourself; people don’t come here for the climate, they come to reap the benefits of a society that was crafted, not by an idea, but by white Europeans, free from political tyranny and with plenty of room to expand and innovate.

      “So long as you stay in America, you will become more American.”

      That’s a leftist lie. Here is an equivalent lie: “Oh, see that worker with the muddy boots walking down the street? Let’s invite him into our house; the white carpet will clean off his boots.”

      Native Americans and blacks have been among us for centuries and still haven’t assimilated into mainstream American society, while European waves of newcomers assimilated in a few generations. Keep lying to yourself.

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      • on July 4, 2013 at 10:18 am Nicole

        Your failure to assimilate is why your supposedly “sovereign nation” is rotting from within.

        You should practice what you preach in that. You are not stronger than Nature, and the fact that you have to consume so much and pollute so much just to live there is a testament to that. Rather than toughening yourselves up and dealing with the realities of where you now live, you tried to adjust the land to fit you, went overboard with that, and now you’re weaker than when you started.

        Only blank slatist leftists believe that a person’s physical/biological reality has nothing to do with their psychological perception of reality. If you believe in HBD, then you believe in the tendency of humans to adapt to their environment. Those who fail to adapt simply die, but that death is slow, painful, and brings out the fear of annihilation that you are feeling now.

        Everything is as it should be, and is progressing exactly as it should according to Nature. If you are not suited to live without tyranny, you will live with it regardless of how much you would like not to.

        By failing to adapt, you have failed to become a people who could live without big government telling you what to do.

        So you have no one to blame for your situation but yourself. Those who can be free are free and waiting for you throwbacks to die.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 1:21 pm Nicole

        You haven’t assimilated. Native Americans were there before Europeans. To this day, many live just fine in the desert with no air conditioning, and in the north with no gas or electric heat…because they can.

        The longer you stay there, the more acclimated you will become, or you will die. I have no problem with this, but you do.

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 1:25 pm Nicole

        And why in the hell would anyone want to assimilate to a culture full of people who hate them? Wouldn’t that be suicidal?

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      • on July 5, 2013 at 9:35 pm prj3ctm4yh3m

        Nicole, you are a straight up intellectual fraud, borderline troll.

        Look at the way your brethren act and ask THEM to take some
        responsibility. Mericans have been so far sensitisized against prejudging on skin color (ceterus parabus) to make your wallowing self-pity utterly contemptible. The only thing Capital-A Americans “hate” are frauds parasites and carpet baggers. Mericans respecthard work and self-sufficiency, regardless of color.

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      • on July 7, 2013 at 3:37 pm Nicole

        So would you please point out my inaccuracies and fraudulent statements specifically?

        I didn’t think so.

        If you know anything about me, you know that my genetic “brethren” cover the bases, and my psychological brethren are independent thinkers and critical enough thinkers to understand the game. The fraud is the elite, and you, if you’re defending them or living a lifestyle that feeds their machine any more than you need to survive, are their tool.

        Nobody in their right mind can look at the devastation of the environment and the mockery that U.S. culture has become and say that it is a good thing. The blame for what it is and what it has become lays squarely at the feet of European invaders and assimilants who sold their souls to be accepted by people who would just as soon kill or enslave them.

        What I have been saying all along is that “white” is not a real ethnicity, and “white” privilege is an illusion, which is why those who call themselves “white” nationalists are still living with their head in the television. They haven’t escaped the categories branded on their ass by the masters. They are voluntarily labeling themselves the historic overseer class and tools of the elite, and most of what they are pissed off about is discovering that their usefulness as tools exclusively has passed. Anyone may now join the overseer class if they meet the behavioral requirements, and now they are used to control others of whatever color who step out of line.

        …and the “white” nationalists, coming mostly from the lower socioeconomic classes are finding themselves in the same boat with everyone else now. Nobody in the elite cares about their desire to maintain a distinct “race” because the elite are more educated and understand that their forebearers made that up to create an overseer class in the first place.

        So much of these scams start with, “We’re on your side…”

        When useful idiots stay purposefully stupid despite having many perspectives on world and American history a short walk to the library and/or a mouse click away, it is their own fault. It is your fault if you don’t see how decadence leads to a fall, and how every single time people speak out before that, they get shouted down because nobody wants to stop the party.

        Locking up every person of color in the entire United States would not stop little Suzy Joe from shagging half the town because her mom would still be a feminist and her dad would still be a punk. So why don’t you ask whatever you consider your brethren to take some personal responsibility for their behavior and situation.

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      • on July 7, 2013 at 7:28 pm Nicole

        Damned filters. Anyway, you’re living in a dreamworld where a guy didn’t just get shot for being a redneck stereotype.

        He was sitting on his friend’s porch with a hose watering the lawn and having a beer. Blam.

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    • on July 5, 2013 at 6:59 pm Syd Barrett

      Nicole:

      Your logic only applies to relatively small groups of immigrants who came here in phases. The game changes dramatically when you have a totally distinct group, such as Latinos, who come here by the millions in a very short time span. Now add the rising immigration levels of Asians, Africans, Arabs, and other groups, and you ultimately have the perfect recipe for balkanization and civil war. These groups have no love for American blacks, whites, nor for each other, they’re mainly here for economic reasons. Eventually this place will turn into a giant racial gang war of sorts.

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      • on July 6, 2013 at 9:17 am Nicole

        This isn’t happening because of Native Americans or Africans. It’s happening because of mostly European Americans’ decadence.

        Whatever is going to happen, you brought it on yourselves by being useful idiots, identifying with those who oppress us all just because you happen to be the same color as the majority of the local elite. If you could come out of your delusions and self pity, you would see that and stop supporting a mentality that screws yourselves.

        Instead, you’d rather blame people who come only because they fall for the same lies that you have. It’s the same lie that leads you to think you have what to protect or preserve when you actually have nothing.

        White privilege does not exist except as a convenient illusion. It makes you think that it is in your interest to be in the overseer class, when the masters own us all. As soon as your usefulness in that position ends…well it has, and here you are.

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  97. on July 4, 2013 at 4:38 am Gracian

    ‘Back to Europe Movement’ (i.e White Americans moving BACK to Europe in mass). Uh huh. Yeah. Right.

    Talk about a shit show. It would be a Benny Hill comedy movie !!!

    Btw, the same group that CONTROLS the ‘minds and money’ of the USA, has waaaaaaaay more control of Europe.

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  98. on July 4, 2013 at 11:43 am NiceGuyGoneCad (@NiceGuyGoneCad)

    The white man can run but can’t hide; ALL western countries (I don’t count Russia as one, neither do they) have the same problems that will lead to his ultimate demise unless radical measures to solve them are taken; some are almost lost like Sweden, some others are just beginning to feel the heat, like Finland, but the virus is in ALL of them.

    These problems are basically two: 1-A growing population of non-whites who reproduce like rabbits and gets more entitled an uppity by the day 2-A diminishing, increasingly pussyfied white population which breeds well below the replacement rate. What’s in store for whites everywhere is a growing poverty, social and political marginalization and eventually extinction by genocide. And don’t count on Russia welcoming hordes of europeans chased out of their countries.

    Peaceful political solution is not possible, don’t fool yourselves; the white elites won’t allow it if demographics already won’t either, as it already happens in the USA or Great Britain. The solution implies armed white men making very unpleasant decisions, and white women chained to the kitchen barefoot and pregnant. I’m not going into more details, read “The Turner Diaries” and you’ll get the picture.

    I’m betting that’s extinction is what’s coming. I just hope things don’t get too ugly in the next 60 years when I’ll still be around.

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  99. on July 4, 2013 at 4:24 pm van Rooinek

    returning to Europe, the authentic homeland of diaspora whites, might speak to many Americans

    Not without the Second Amendment.

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  100. on July 4, 2013 at 4:30 pm anonymous

    Perhaps we could resurrect the Free State project, but transatlantically: All white American conservatives, move en masse to country X.. and when we take it over, we will ban abortion, restore the right to bear arms, promote a market economy and gold based currency, and remove every last Muslim and sodomite from the territory.

    Russia sounds pretty good, and you can fastrack to citizenship if you serve in the Russian Army. And their population is plummeting due to male alcoholism…. Lonely white American men who can’t find a mate, and don’t drink too much or engage in battery, have a unique opportunity.

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    • on July 5, 2013 at 2:49 pm Mr.Mxyzptlk

      And the dumb assed christians? When the YKW come a knocking,the christians will be on their knees again to worship them and invite the pieces of shit in.

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 4:53 am Ben Gurion

        Its not our states that have a problem with them.

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  101. on July 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm WRB

    I just came back from vacation in Spain. Beautiful country, but most Americans will not, in the long run, put up with inconveniences of living there. Like, their retail trade is about where American one was forty years ago…

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  102. on July 4, 2013 at 8:43 pm Jay in DC

    FORGIVE ME FATHER, In Spite of Being Near You, I HAVE SINNED— They know not what they do….

    I’m guessing I missed critical dialogue above, and I’m ok with it. From the perspective of European Interests, I’m Special Forces on places like messageboards… I parachute in, bust some fucking asses HARD, and airlift myself out. I am ok with this dynamic. That being said— my thoughts;

    1) CH- Allows a Voice for his diametrically opposed moral foil– King. In all of the Internet, I find NO relationship more fascinating than CH / Matthew King. It is this crazy ass Darth Vader / Luke Skywalker shit, in a nerdy sense yes, but it is FAR more than that. It is the classic struggle since antiquity between good and evil… all men are called to this.

    2) I support NEITHER of them. Both, in my opinion, are deluded and cannot find the middle ground. I respect these men having never met them in a very serious way. They are as I said high vernacular foils against one another, but neither to me, is right.

    Point 3), is my own— I represent a middle ground between the extremism. Though, having read here for a while now I do see a shift in CH. He and I. are not so different. We live in the Belly of the Beast, DC. We are above average males in an entirely fucked feminist world. When I first started reading him, it was exclusive to the lies of feminism. He has risked all, to include the lies of the multicult. NO ONE survives this. You needn’t look further than Deen, Richwine, Derbyshire, as recent examples.

    Matt King will become a male Valkyrie then, if you believe what I just read above. Striking down, mightily, all beaners and nig-nogs from coast to coast? Matt, let me know when you attempt your first strike. In this way, I find you amusing…. CH lives within ONE zipcode of me, and understands the futility of attempting to change the course of history. What, now, would you do? Show me a game plan that includes ANY type of European nationalism that would not be utterly destroyed by MSM, et. al. Based on your posts I MUST assume you live in fly over country… again, the coastal US is LOST son. And it isn’t coming back… but I appreciate your input.

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  103. on July 5, 2013 at 12:48 am Eliezer Ben-Yehudah

    For those who view the Zionist enterprise as a sort of inspiration for own-group efforts, a close study of its details is useful. The **Jewish religion** is a social construct which actually only arose after the final crushing (by the Romans) of Judea in about 135 AD. In the 1800 years which followed, no effort or enterprise emanating from a “Jewish religion” source, proved to be of any value whatsoever in restoring the ancient regime. It was only the effort in the late 1880’s to restore the LANGUAGE which bore fruit, and bore sovereign fruit very, very quickly. I don’t know exactly which lesson to draw from that fact-set, but I believe it is of importance to nationalist thinkers & theorists.

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  104. on July 6, 2013 at 6:13 am Anonymous

    idiots

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  105. on July 6, 2013 at 6:17 am Anonymous

    this’s forum has become like kkk meeting ground, while you’re bad mouthing other races, you guys should spend your time improving your individual selves

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    • on July 6, 2013 at 7:54 am eyeslevel

      Did anyone on this board tell non-whites they have no right to defend themselves? That’s what you’re telling white people.

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    • on July 6, 2013 at 5:32 pm Greg Eliot

      I’m able to do both… as we speak, I’m benching on my Body Smith and typing with mah feets.

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    • on July 6, 2013 at 5:34 pm Greg Eliot

      Shouldn’t YOU be pursuing self-improvement instead of talking trash to whites-who-won’t-suffer-fools-gladly?

      You fairy.

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  106. on July 6, 2013 at 3:34 pm Anonymous

    White Americans are the largest white population in the World. When one discounts the icy wastelands of Canada and Siberia, the USA has the largest inhabitable territory in the World. If with all this, white Americans are contemplating moving to Europe, then they are a pathetic lot.
    White Americans want a white environment to live in but cant make an effort to create or preserve one. So they hope that some other European country can make the effort to create a white environment for white Americans to move into and even to take their women.
    White Americans need to make some effort to create the kind of society they want and to make the sacrifices needed to achieve this (and I do not mean violence). If they cannot take the heat that will inevitably come their way as they try to do this, then they have no right to try to expect old or new Europe to accept them with open arms.

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    • on July 8, 2013 at 5:02 am Greg Eliot

      Excellent.

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    • on July 8, 2013 at 2:21 pm Alex

      + 10

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    • on July 8, 2013 at 11:11 pm van Rooinek

      White Americans want a white environment to live in but cant make an effort to create or preserve one

      All we have to do, is have lots of kids, teach them the Bible, and teach them to shoot. Everything else will work itself out.

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  107. on July 6, 2013 at 8:27 pm Jay in DC

    Goddamn…where do I start? This, I think, is the most fascinating post/thread on CH since I started reading here, real talk.

    It does nothing more than concrete my theory that CH / Matt King were seperated at birth, and raised by diametrically opposed parents.

    CH has stopped being afraid, good for him and this site. He knows that the same lies that trump feminism above all, also control the destruction of the European Male. Only the lowest IQ individual could currently see otherwise, so he risks his “book deal” for preservation of a State of Being, and Ideology, that is in fact– dying.

    Then we have Matt King. I find both these people the most fascinating above all, on the interwebs. I have long since stopped reading “Game, MRM, blah blah, faggorty, etc.” websites besides this one. We are now in Phase 2. Our host is aware of this. This is why, in spite of his hit rate becoming half or even 1/4 he persists. You see the pussy ass whining here in technicolor— “Ooooooh, CH, I love to read you but only when I want to spear some CUNT” Oooooooh why are you talking about HBD, race, etc. Those are the LIES we don’t need to talk about… Remember what Dave Chappelle told us? FUCK YO COUCH NIGGA…

    Done with my rant for now. But my true feeling is, CH and MK were seperated at birth. They, to me, are like movie characters, no shit. A. Skywalker vs. Obi-wan then, innit? If I had my dream, I would push them both into a genetic blender. What would come out, like the FLY, like BrundleSeth, would be the leader of the European Resistance. Real fucking talk, I’m not kidding.

    CH has this somewhat laissez-faire faggotry still in spite of realizing he will be first against the wall soon. BUT– He is proposing options. Return to Europe? Is spoken like a man not well traveled. Do you realize that Australia has prefential immigartion for whites? Euros first, Americans, 2nds. You haven’t traveled enough to know this.

    Europeans, in WESTERN europe, are fucking lost and will be overrun by the Brown Hordes of Allah soon. Don’t weep for them. Eastern Europeans mainly shit on Western Euros and Americans and do NOT want you.

    The hope for the European race from multiple sources, lies in Australia which by isolation and landmass, resembles the USA in the 50s/60s. Liberalism is there but not in full bloom. If you love your race, acquire a viable skill and know that Australia can and would assimilate 50 million white people with a cause. FOR NOW, but make no mistake that the VAMPIRE SQUID ELITE that control the world in 2013 will attempt to encircle that isolated continent too…

    p.s. Just for Matt— I marvel at the cognitive dissonace you must experience daily. A Christian, then innit? Willing to exterminate a peoples, rather than turn the other cheek, and welcome all peoples in the Kingdom of God. This again, is where I simply wish I could put you and CH into a gene-splicing device like THE FLY. What would come out would be a European Pragmatist who would be a leader among men… no shit, not kidding.

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    • on July 8, 2013 at 11:49 am Matthew King

      I’m glad you read me closely enough to get it, brother Jay.

      No, I do not experience “cognitive dissonance” at all. I am clear-headed in a world of fogginess. The clarity is a product of a liberal education: the ability to examine one’s opinion down to the first principles which motivate all opinions. It’s also why I see a unity and alliance where many others can only perceive a necessary enmity.

      “Turn[ing] the other cheek” is precisely how one “exterminate[s] a people. “Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?” (Lincoln). Megalomaniacs do not understand the source of ultimate power — which is through Christ and only Christ — because they refuse to imagine a power with its source outside their own childish ego. What they would gain by a little humility would give them a strength that a billion egomaniacs working in concert could never find alone. Except egomaniacs by definition cannot work in concert. Therefore they are ultimately impotent.

      My philosophy is “Pragmatist.” You wonder

      What, now, would you do? Show me a game plan …

      even as I am executing the game plan as I speak.

      The first practical step is right here, in this virtual “Fight Club,” where men of like-minds gather to gauge the possibility of a concerted effort. CH is also executing the game plan by turning toward a wider application of his hard-won street wisdom, as you have noted.

      There cannot be a detailed 1,238-point plan from A to Z, from decadence to renaissance. “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.” The enemy is clever and powerful and nimble. Therefore our response must be impromptu, led by wise and trustworthy improvisers dedicated to a single outcome.

      The men here are certainly wise and possible of great improvisation, but they need work on their trustworthiness. They have been duped into thinking that “evil” will avail them in their pursuit of power, when a consistent, coordinated, and cooperative effort is necessary, and their self-centered fixations do nothing but destroy the possibility of concerted action.

      On the other hand, I have faith that our paths must converge anyway, whenever they mature past their adolescent arrogance. So I don’t criticize what they are doing; childish schemes implode of their own accord. And when this happens, they will remember that someone not only predicted it but also has no ill-feelings toward late-conversion and reconciliation.

      “I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.”

      Show me a game plan that includes ANY type of European nationalism that would not be utterly destroyed by MSM, et. al. Based on your posts I MUST assume you live in fly over country… again, the coastal US is LOST son. And it isn’t coming back… but I appreciate your input.

      First of all, you overestimate the almighty bluff of the “MSM.”

      More important, though, consider that cities inculcate and incubate an impossible arrogance. They are dependent on “flyover country” for their existence: power, water, food, material, resources. Men cannot live together under such compact density without lines of communication stretching out to the abundant country.

      The coastal US is lost — until the rural US gets fed up and ends the party. The white drain from urban areas has left the politics of every major metropolis to animals who cannot reason. They will require bailouts in the very near future, and the producers’ patience with their end-times zoo-mind insouciance is at an end.

      Finally, for reasons I describe above, I piss on your defeatist despair. Again, this is the mark of the heathen, the pagan savage who has never lent a single moment to contemplating the dynamic of civilization above them which allows the possibility of his animal libertinism. We permit the possibility of libertinism in order to preserve our superior liberty under law — until the libertine begins to fancy himself our superior and begins poisoning the very means of production which sustain us all.

      Despair is literally a sin. It is the opposite of the Christian virtue of Spes or “hope,” which is not the faggy optimism-apart-from-reason of its modern connotation. Along with the other virtues — courage, temperance, wisdom, justice, faith, love, and mercy — hope is foundational. If we truly lose it, we lose all power, for what is the point of endeavoring to fix a cause one has already predetermined to be hopeless? It’s like saying, what is the point of rising from our bed if the world is going to end at noon today anyway.

      It is possible to be both pessimistic and hopeful, as they are not antonyms. Optimism is a mindless insistence that all is for the best. Hope is the trust that the ultimate victory is won, and al that remains is to navigate particular but ultimately meaningless exigencies of individual circumstances.

      The loss of hope is also the loss of confidence. As this site and many like it have noted frequently, even fake confidence is better than none at all. “Fake it till you make it” is a Catholic invention which encourages righteous outward behaviors until they are internalized by habit. Wax-on, wax-off.

      The father is always ready to take in the prodigal son, with a great feast and no resentment. “‘For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to make merry.”

      Matt

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      • on July 8, 2013 at 2:40 pm 732

        This. This is the ethos of the Christianity of the end-times; of the Remnant.

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  108. on July 6, 2013 at 11:48 pm Scott

    I visited Ireland (my ancestral homeland) once as a child. Even then, I remember thinking, “The air feels right on my skin. The rolling hills put me at ease. The people make me feel at home.” This wasn’t just sentiment; there was something medical going on. Like I was genetically engineered to live there.

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  109. on July 7, 2013 at 10:01 pm Mr.C

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2263518/I-left-love-life-I-thought-I-better-Now-Im-childless-42.html

    All I can say is; LOLZZZZZZLOLLZZZZZLOLZZZZZZZZLOLZZZZZZZ

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  110. on July 8, 2013 at 5:52 am momololoz

    As with everything else, money makes it possible. No money, no love. Europeans don’t “want” us at all.

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  112. on July 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm Benjamin David Steele

    I’m not seeing a whole lot of insightful or even interesting discussion going on here in the comments section. I doubt there will ever be much of a back to Europe movement. Not for liberals or conservatives, not for ethnic mutts or the religious minorities.

    Most of the factors seen in the US are found in European countries as well. Besides, Europeans don’t want Americans. Even white Americans are of no great value to white Europeans. Our white privilege doesn’t apply there.

    America at least has a long history of dealing with such social problems. If the multiculturalism and regional strife of the Civil War era didn’t destroy this country, it will take a lot more than a few more dark skinned immigrants or undocumented workers or Jews.

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  113. on July 9, 2013 at 7:40 am not_my_subject

    Hi. I’d just like to say that you are welcome to “give back” to us all the scientific and engineering talent that have migrated to US over the last century 🙂 . The list of scientists born in Europe that worked and eventually settled down to US is quite phenomenal. You have their descendants as well. Of course the wealth generated in the US goes beyond them. I don’t see any reason to break down the hub of the global business, global Western culture (culture whether it is for better or worse)

    But in all honesty this would be madness. It’s a violation of individual freedom to not allow people of any origin to live where they choose to live as long as they pay for their living by a) owning/paying for their homes, b) working c) paying taxes in order to receive protection courts, police and military. Why is it bad that there are white Europeans in Africa? They own their land and provide prosperity for the blacks by employing them.

    Of course with the amount of corruption and violence there are only a handful of countries in the world where anyone with a decent income/skills will want to spend their lives in. Obviously some people are going to make the observation that it seems to so far be only a couple of Western and Asian countries that manage to keep their systems decent when it comes to corruption and violence.

    Basically you should keep running the US well for the sake of everyone on this globe. Badly run countries become inhabitable for everyone.

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  114. on July 9, 2013 at 11:03 pm Lightning Round – 2013/06/10 | Free Northerner

    […] a back to Europe […]

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  115. on July 10, 2013 at 2:23 am Minor Correction

    Cro-Magnons bred mainly with Mediterraneans, not Neanderthals. And this happened after the ice had retreated.

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  116. on July 11, 2013 at 3:30 pm The Ideal Destination For The Single White Man « PUA Central

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  117. on July 12, 2013 at 12:04 am Koanic

    I see the Neanderthal race consciousness is out in force today.

    FYI, Heartiste, from your frontal pic and writeprint I doubt you are Neanderthal. Big eye has two sources – the original melons had it too. Large eyes explain your initial sensitivity-related Game dysfunction, while overall original melon features explain your rapid advancement to a high skill level, grasp of social dynamics, and non-Aspie writing style.

    You are not the only Game blogger with these features who exhibits this pattern…

    Long story short, you got no occipital.

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  118. on July 18, 2013 at 1:01 pm Randoms | Foseti

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  119. on July 19, 2013 at 8:51 am nydwracu

    Can America’s white Southroners, acclimated to their subtropical heat and humidity, take to the dryness and cold of continental Europe or the chill winds of the Scottish Highlands?

    We’re acclimated to this shit?

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