“If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.”
The above will work, but it’s not Chateau recommended. After all, peace of mind, while nice, is not a formula for true happiness. Gazing into a pretty girl’s eyes, drilling the holy hell out of her, and basking in the warm energy of her insuppressible love… now that’s happiness.
However, the song does illuminate age-old wisdom about the nature of the sexual market. If one partner in a relationship has more options in the sexual market, there will be more instability in the relationship. Options = instability. The legal and social bindings of marriage are a buffer against exercising those options, but not a protection against the existence of the options themselves. A husband or wife with a large enough customer base that wants their genetic product will find it extremely difficult to resist the temptation of exercising his or her options. Virtue is not achieved except in the crucible of alluring vice.
Furthermore, there is an inherent sex difference in the destabilizing force of increased options. A man with more options than his partner is a less destabilizing force to his relationship than is a woman with equally more options than her partner. This phenomenon results from the greater hypergamous drive of women, who are less satisfied than are men with sub-par lovers, and from the biological reality that risk of female infidelity is a graver threat to relationship harmony than is risk of male infidelity for which there is no chance of “reverse cuckolding”.
Think of the relationship permutations this way:
Man with options + woman with fewer options = man with peace of mind and wandering eye + happy but anxious woman + lovingly prepared home-cooked meals.
Woman with options + man with fewer options = unhappy woman with wandering eye + happy but anxious man + microwaved dinners.
Man with options + woman with options = stable relationship. Both are happy and infidelity or rupture risks are minimized.
Man with few options + woman with few options = stable relationship. Both are unhappy yet infidelity or rupture risks are still minimized.
This is all classic, straight-up, shaken-not-stirred Chateau Heartiste wisdom. Now ♥SCIENCE♥ has bounded into the arena to lend confirmatory support. A recent study found that relationship length is partly a function of the attractiveness of the woman’s face.
Men looking for a quick fling prefer women with more “feminine” facial features, said a study Friday that delved into the evolutionary determinants of the mating game.
Feminine features like a smaller jawbone or fuller cheeks are closely linked to a woman’s perceived attractiveness, which in turn is taken as an indicator of health, youth and fidelity and other traits, it said.
Feminine features are associated with a higher level of the female hormone oestrogen, which is also linked with reproductive success. […]
The preference was especially high among men who were already in a steady relationship.
“When a man has secured a mate, the potential cost of being discovered may increase his choosiness regarding short-term partners relative to unpartnered men, who can better increase their short-term mating success by relaxing their standards,” wrote the study authors.
But in making long-term choices, men “may actually prefer less attractive/feminine women,” they added.
Previous research has found that attractive women are likelier to be unfaithful, particularly if their partner is ugly.
“If his partner cheats on him, a man risks raising a child which is not his own,” explained the authors.
You have to read between the lines of this study a bit to get at the underlying truth. What is happening is that beta males — and the great majority of men are beta males by definition, as are ostensibly the men recruited for these studies — are choosing peace of mind over elevated cuckoldry risk when they settle for a less attractive woman with whom to invest in a long-term relationship. It’s not that these men “prefer” less attractive women for LTRs; rather, men *settle* for less attractive women for LTRs because they don’t have the goods nor the game to lock a more attractive woman into a long-term partnership. They seem to grasp on a subconscious level that a long-term strategy with a hot babe will give them more grief than they can handle. Options = instability.
Women also employ this bifurcated mating strategy, but since women are more hypergamous than men — i.e., more compelled to date up — they are less likely than are men to curb their instinct to shoot for the moon. Many women try for LTRs with higher SMV (sexual market value) men before giving up on the project of commitment extraction when the first bricks of the sexual worthlessness wall crest the horizon.
Men who have options will, naturally, exercise them, which means in practice that a man who is good with women will be satisfied with nothing less than the romantic best, whether his favored idea of romance consists of short n sexy flings or long n loving mergers.

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well dat is life so what did da gbfm do?
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heckas no!!!
da GBFM MANNED UP (would make iwllaim bennett porundz) APPLIED HIMSELF, develoiped da GBFM TALETNZ And he found a new careerer
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she was hot and tight behind horn rimmed glasses er tight assess so da GBFM told hersz “HELLL YESSZZ!”
and she said “i thought i heards some postdtsurycturalist feminsist theorrroyz in your wokrz especially when you said “lsotas cokas 4 da ladies” represendting dat da cockas is born to serve womenz”
i said, “HELLLE YESZZ!!! LOSTSTA SCOCKSKS 4U zlzozllzozoz”
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so i said, “does da GBFM haveta butthext?” As i have heard about demi univeirtsisty coursez.
and she said, “no youz just gotta talksz baout butthext when we study HOMER And SHAKESPAKESPEARE as recent tehory shows dat dey buttehxted.”
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ultimately a buttcocked, bernankified womenz only “option” is some debuached, degraded form of jesus and cats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irb78SH9QlM
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GBFM (TM), you truly are the ‘Prophet of UNdoom!’
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KING MATTHEW HAS OPTIONS TOOO!!!
his rights hand and
his left hand too!
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DA BIBLE IS COMPLETELY 100% COMPAITIBLE WITH EOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGYZ!!!
IN DA DAY I READ DA BIBLE. AT NIGHT I SPLLOOOGE IN HER FACE.
QED
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Abigailz adamsz wrote da following letter to her husband JOHN ADAMSZ in 1776:
”
[1] I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in the new code of
laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I desire you would remember the ladies
and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors. Do not put such unlimited
power into the hands of the husbands. Remember, all men would be tyrants if they could.
[2] If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a
rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice or
representation.
[3] That your sex are naturally tyrannical is a truth so thoroughly established as to admit of no
dispute; but such of you as wish to be happy willingly give up the harsh title of master for the
more tender and endearing one of friend.
[4] Why, then, not put it out of the power of the vicious and the lawless to use us with cruelty
and indignity with impunity? Men of sense in all ages abhor those customs which treat us only as
the vassals of your sex; regard us then as beings placed by Providence under your protection, and
in imitation of the Supreme Being make use of that power only for our happiness.”
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and wrote back:
Letter of Response from John Adams to Abigail Adams, April 14, 1776
[5] As to your extraordinary code of laws, I cannot but laugh (LZOZOZOOZZOZOOZZO in your FACE ABIGAELIZ lzozoz). We have been told that our
struggle has loosened the bonds of government everywhere; that children and apprentices were
disobedient; that schools and colleges were grown turbulent; that Indians slighted their
guardians, and negroes grew insolent to their masters. But your letter was the first intimation
that another tribe, more numerous and powerful than all the rest, were grown discontented.–
This is rather too coarse a Compliment but you are so saucy, I won’t blot it out.
[6] Depend upon it, we know better than to repeal our masculine systems. Although they are in
full force, you know they are little more than theory. We dare not exert our power in its full
latitude. We are obliged to go fair and softly, and, in practice, you know we are the subjects. We
have only the name of masters, and rather than give up this, which would completely subject us
to the despotism of the petticoat, I hope General Washington and all our brave heroes would
fight; I am sure every good politician would plot, as long as he would against despotism, empire,
monarchy, aristocracy, oligarchy, or ochlocracy.1
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THE despotism of the petticoat lzozozoozzo
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To my homegirls here with the big butt
Shaking it like we at a strip club
Remember only God can judge ya
Forget the haters, cause somebody loves ya
And everyone in line in the bathroom
Trying to get a line in the bathroom
We all so turnt up here
Getting turnt up yea yea
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This is why modern marriages have a lower divorce-rate. If the husband is 34, and the wife is 33, when they get married, they aren’t going to have as many options as the years roll by relative to their options if they got married at 24 and 23. There’re both less physically attractive, so they stick it out.
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Maybe if husband is 44 and wife is 33. The 30s seems to be where men and women’s sexual market values really start to deviate. The two attractive 25 year olds who get married end up at 35 with the man looking nearly the same and having more status, and the woman rapidly declining in looks. He’s still pulling girls in their 20s and she’s lucky to get a man in his 40s. I think a 7-15 year difference has the best chance at stability.
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Agreed
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Until she is 43 anyway.
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WHaaaa??
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lozozolzoz nice but you msisplelleds some wordz!!!
aki (@DSGNTD_PLYR)
This is why modern marriages have a lower divorce-rate. If the husband is 34, and the wife is 33 with a streched-out, loosey-goosey sore bunghole, when they get married, they aren’t going to have as many options as the years roll by relative to their options if they got married at 24 and 23 when her ass was as tight as her nostrillzozozozo. There’re both less physically attractive, so they stick it out. That is why Hugh Hefner, in his 80s, must settle for ugly women.
Are you a feministz fucktard?
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Recipe for good marriage? Marry youngest girl from a family of 3+ girls. Every girlfriend I ever had that matched that description was definite LTR material. Word.
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+1
My wife (ten years younger than I) is youngest of 4.
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I am youngest of 5 sisters. growing up with lots of sisters is great
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and a step brother and step sister. so youngest of 7 if i count those
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“Man with options + woman with options = stable relationship. Both are happy and infidelity or rupture risks are minimized.”
Probably a little more complicated than that. In order for this to work, the man has to be on top of his Dread Game and also have mistresses on the side. He must also be willing to walk away at the first sign of infidelity/loss of attraction.
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Dread isn’t very different from “(possible) on the side action” and “willingness to walk away.”
The way I see it… Dread is eagerness to run, and being constantly ensnared because of her affections and sexual willingness. Essentially, her desire to please. In absence of either, why would a man stay?
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most hollywood marriages are “Man with options + woman with options” marriages. not very stable.
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“Man with options + woman with options = stable relationship. Both are happy and infidelity or rupture risks are minimized.”
Totally disagree.
Remember, a woman who is objectively equal to her man will always subjectively FEEL she is superior to him.
I would reword it to, “Man with options + woman with less options = stable relationship.”
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You’re forgetting the whole premise if game. If a man really has options his game will be tight and the woman wouldn’t want to stray.
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Dread Game, I think, only works on people who don’t hold the same principles as the one playing at it. (light bulb!)
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Very interesting study. So less attractive women find it more easy to marry? Regarding a less physically attractive male, I really don’t think that is as important. It’s the behavior and ways of the man that are important and give him more options. A man can be astonishingly handsome, but if he’s lost touch of his masculinity and doesn’t know how to conduct himself he loses much of his attractive-ness (is that a word?).
Why would men prefer a more fertile looking woman only for a fling? This is what I don’t understand. Wouldn’t he prefer to secure a feminine wife with higher levels of estrogen to ensure they can have babies? Instead of just for fling?
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Because the men in the study are Beta men and lower but men none the less (they have cost/risk/benefit analysis skills).
It is short term because you can handle the crazy short term, but they inherently know that they can not keep them long term.
In other words, All men prefer a fertile/feminine women. The men who “seem” to prefer fertile/feminine women in the SHORT TERM are those beta and males who know (consciously or subconsciously) that they can only have them for a short time.
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Also, i want to add, WORK is required for anything worth having. I mention this to sort of address the other end of the spectrum, Alphas (or paper Alphas) that end up in a LTR with a woman considerably lower than him in SMV.
I say this happens more due to “laziness” or just being tiered from the “game”.
Take “morality” out of the equation, he most likely has a soft harem as well.
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Yeah, I don’t think ugly women find it easier to marry, except maybe with beta and greater omega dweebs. Fat chicks are the stereotypical one-night-stand cum dumpsters par excellence… and from what I’ve seen around town, there’s a reason for that.
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good. i was worried for a second there and about to go on an ice-cream binge to better secure my chances of a good husband LOL
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It’s not just attractiveness, but the whole instinctive assessment of wether the woman will be more pain than she’s worth: is she going to be bossy and make his life miserable, is she going to cheat, is she high maintenance etc. Physical attractiveness is usually strongly correlated with all these negative traits, but I think guys pick up on other hints to make their minds about staying. So to all the girls who say they are “too pretty to X”, I reply that their looks will never directly be a disadvantage. Rather, they enabled behaviors that in turn, caused the problems they are complaining about.
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Physical attractiveness is usually strongly correlated with all these negative traits,
That’s not what I find.
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Yep, that’s one of the Big Lies. Physical attractiveness correlates with other desirable attributes. Ugly outside usually means ugly inside.
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Monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo.
I’m surprised our resident Nietzsche didn’t beat me to it, what with me going through all the trouble to raise his spirit into the comboxes.
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Corvinus, I usually agree with you but on this I don’t,
Although most women are more or less the same; narcissistic spoiled brats who nag and complain all the time, emotional, hormonal, irrational, they have histrionic tendencies, etc etc
the ones who know they are very attractive know they can get away with almost anything, so they are usually worse
The more you spoil a brat, the more ugly their personality becomes
no one is more spoiled than very pretty women who have not paid for a meal or a drink since they turned 14 and got boobs
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Canadian, you’d be surprised at how docile they can become when they run up against a man who actually impresses them and doesn’t put them on a pedestal. I think you need to crank up the alpha, mon ami.
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I find that the people who say attractive people have bad personalities have never actually crossed the room to talk to them because they felt unworthy. Sour grapes.
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There’s probably a weak positive correlation between physically feminine traits (and, hence, attractiveness) and feminine personality traits on a biological level.
[CH: No doubt femininity has a biological substrate.]
However, again, as the Dark Lord says, options. Pretty girls are obnoxious, because they can afford to be; fat girls are placating because they must be. It goes back to supply and demand.
[Really pretty girls tend to be polite, because most men don’t hit on them. It’s the striver 6s and 7s who exhibit the worst behavior toward men they don’t like hitting on them.]
Or as someone here said, fat girls suck dick because they have to.
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Men, in the strictest sense of the word, don’t have much care for marriage and relationships. In my experience, at least. All the men I try to emulate had something significantly larger going on for them.
The only thing that matters to me is basically loving and being loved by the few women I find attractive. And drilling the hell out of them.
I speak for myself, but I couldn’t give a flying fuck about securing a feminine wife, when all I need and want can be had without bothering with a wife whatsoever.
If I ever take on a wife, it’s going to be because she brings something to the table that I have not yet experienced.
And for kids, there’s always a surrogate.
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And the surrogate must be prepared to care for the kids until they reach school age. Most men, unless they are very very family oriented (which is not you) cannot stand even their own kids until the kids are old enough to interact with them on an intelligent and sensible level.
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See, that’s the thing. I am assuming that by the time I *WANT* kids (if that ever happens) I’ll want to take care of them little people.
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But babies need also a mother. especially when they very young babies. How will you breastfeed? Breast milk is better for the child. What if you have a daughter, how are you going to talk to her about the girl things that will happen to her body?
Who will cook and clean and care for you and your children?
I understand you feel like this now.. but maybe after some years you’ll feel different and realize that a good woman can compliment you in many ways.
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Key word here being “GOOD”. A woman does not compliment me in many ways (most likely hinders) but you COULD make a case for your point given that the woman is “good”
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Exactly. I believe a woman can help to make a better man.. or try to slowly break a man. Many men understand when a woman’s ways are wearing him down, and find the door. But a GOOD woman is a blessing to a man. Likewise a good man is wonderful for a woman. When the two share a partnership together where both parties are doing best to fulfil their gender roles..how they must be, it’s beautiful. Not without conflict sometimes of course..but the key is understanding and communication and even silence when necessary.
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sensible commentary indeed
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I’ll answer your questions, doll.
>>How will you breastfeed?
I’ll pay someone to do it. There was even a news item about someone starting a mother’s milk ice cream parlor. So I guess mother’s milk is on sale at some price then. And if you are thinking about infections, then for me it would boil down to getting proper tests done.
>>What if you have a daughter, how are you going to talk to her about the girl things that will happen to her body?
I do have a mother. And a sister. Actually, three, if you count my little cousins too. They’ll be grown women by then.
>>Who will cook and clean and care for you and your children?
Cook: Butler. Or me, like I do for myself. But most likely, a proper butler.
Clean: Maid. Or some cleaning service. Like the one that comes in and does my cleaning right now.
Care for me: I am capable of doing that myself, thanks.
care for the child: If I have a child, I’ll take care of him or her very properly. Otherwise, I just won’t have one.
>>realize that a good woman can compliment you in many ways.
What other ways would those be? Surely you jest.
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Please, do us a favor and forget about having kids altogether.
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What kind of life is that?
If your women is for shit than you have to live like this, but if she’s more/less ok, than you’re fool.
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Depriving a child of his mother is almost as bad as depriving him of his father. These are lying spirits.
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Now now, Matt; Aunt Jemima gonna make things all bedda fo da fambly wit dees nice hot buckwheat pancakes:
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To my great surprise, I discovered that a man with options can marry a lower SMV woman and end up a loser in the deal. Because: slut. I have discovered that the less attractive a woman is, the more likely that she’s a slut. (Wish I’d found this site sooner; I would have been gaming the shit out of her).
I heard that song when I was young and took it to heart. But now I’ll be aiming at something different. Attractive woman plus game = happy me. Her happiness? I’ll never consider that again. Because I honestly don’t care anymore. A woman’s happiness is not my problem. (Is it even possible? Solipsism?)
I freely admit that I’m still bitter, but that will be changing quickly. Seriously now, if we’re talking about 40 year-olds, who is happier, the man with options, or the 40-something slut? This isn’t a hard equation to work out.
I was a lesser Alpha, then I went Beta because I thought that’s what I was supposed to do when married. I learned my lesson.
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That’s interesting. I’ve found sluttiness exists all over the female looks spectrum, but seems to be mainly determined by the girl’s upbringing and relationship with her family. I know two girls who are best friends, one a 7.5, the other possibly a 9. The 7.5 comes from a good family and has a stable relationship headed towards marriage. The 9 averages about 8 different dicks a year, and she’s trying NOT to be slutty! These are all just failed relationships or instance of poor judgment. My hunch is that a girl who is close to her family feels a much greater sense of accountability in her relationship choices. She is therefore more motivated to seek a stable relationship to show off to her family. The hotter gal that hasn’t talked to daddy in over 2 years? forget about it. It also doesn’t help that the most confident guys are always hitting on the hotter one wherever she goes.
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That actually sums things up perfectly. It’s almost like everything feminism taught me was wrong, and women’s behavior can be predicted by their upbringing. Or something. Dammit.
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Almost everything feminists have told us was wrong/untrue.
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I agree with one caveat. Traveling. I met a cute chick the other night who had a great relationship with her family and was a huge nerd. But she told me she likes traveling and spent months at a time in Israel UK and Spain. It was at that moment that I knew I was getting laid that night.
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Women with options will be more hypergamous than men with options, but men with options will be more promiscuous than women with options. Both are very dissatisfied when they’ve got options and think they can do better. Maybe it’s true that the woman would be more dissatisfied, since she has more riding on her choice of partner, whereas men draw their identity more from their own exploits (Commandment III). Maybe the real difference as far as stability of relationships is, that it’s possible for men to get some of what they most want from women (sexual variety) without having to leave their primary partner, but it’s not possible for women to get what they most want from men (social status and resources) on the down low. They have to have the quality man on lock-down, be the woman who enters his house through the front door.
[CH: Pro comment.]
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I would imagine the woman’s side of the equation is more unstable per unit of SMV, due to psychosis-level self-delusion.
It’s almost impossible to be even 1x/mo. hang-out-for coffee friends with them, because even when they’re chubby or abit fug, they Still end up wanting to bang you.
Sad news for the “Social-and-fun-with-everyone”-frame, but I feel like every second even so much as acknowledging their existence is a waste.
Even your female Friends should be hotties.
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[quote]Gazing into a pretty girl’s eyes, drilling the holy hell out of her, and basking in the warm energy of her insuppressible love… now that’s happiness.[/quote]
Who says you need to get into an LTR for this?
Haha…
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All women who are above a 6 have tons of options for sex that only the most alpha of men can relate to. I agree with Georgia Boy however that the inherent nature of male vs. female “options” are different. For males, options means other sex partners. If this is what is meant by female options, than it isn’t even close and this post is wrong.
[CH: No, that’s not what’s meant by female options. A woman with options is a woman who can attract a lot of high value men. Now how she exercises those options is differnt than how a high value man will exercise his options. The man will gun for sex with lots of babes. The woman will strive for either supplementary sex with a downlow, or new romance with one man.]
A generic, average woman with a normal BMI has 10 times the sex options a man of equivalent status. But women aren’t looking for just sex, which has been available to them on demand since age 14, they are looking for a total package trade up.
[That’s right, and nothing in this post hinted otherwise. However, there is the intra-LTR phenomenon of women seeking ovulatory sex with higher value interlopers once per month. So “total package” theory can miss this other godly facet of female nature.]
If we are comparing a man’s options for sex with a female’s ability to trade up, then I agree that the instability factor leans towards the female. But if we’re talking purely sex options, women almost always have a ton more, and they’ve demonstrated that they are relatively stable in suppressing a desire for sexual variety.
[Mostly that’s because women have lower steady state sex drives than do men.]
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[CH: No, that’s not what’s meant by female options. A woman with options is a woman who can attract a lot of high value men. Now how she exercises those options is differnt than how a high value man will exercise his options. The man will gun for sex with lots of babes. The woman will strive for either supplementary sex with a downlow, or new romance with one man.]
Even with this definition, women still have a ton more options than an equivalent male. A cute 7 female could have downlow sex with more 8 and 9 males that she could count on her fingers and toes. But typically she doesn’t pursue those. It is the potential for new romance with a higher man that is the true risk. If option for female means higher value men willing to invest romance in her (time, attention, sex, resources), then that option is more destabilizing than a male’s opportunity to bang new tail.
[CH: By “attract”, I mean “keep a high level man’s interest for longer than the duration of a single copulation”. The sex difference in objective mating success means that options for women is more than just getting a fuck dumped in them by any random dude, which, as you said, is relatively easy for thin women under the age of 30 to achieve. But, naturally, the hotter the woman, the easier it will be for her to catch the eye of high status men and motivate them to invest time and energy in her.]
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[quote]Man with options + woman with options = stable relationship. Both are happy and infidelity or rupture risks are minimized.[/quote]
Regardless of how attractive a man and women may be in the sexual market, in any relationship, one has the upper hand, and one has the lower hand.
Besides, SMV is relative just as charm is relative. A mysterious guy with god-knows-how-many-possibilities has a different rating than a man a woman’s known for sometime.
Prior to a relationship, fame is much more attractive than charm or wealth. But once the honeymoon is over, it’s charm that really matters. Otherwise, all these wealthy and famous celebrities wouldn’t be getting cheated on left, right and center. Anybody remember Ceddrick Diggory?
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“This phenomenon results from the greater hypergamous drive of women, who are less satisfied than are men with sub-par lovers, and from the biological reality that risk of female infidelity is a graver threat to relationship harmony than is risk of male infidelity for which there is no chance of “reverse cuckolding”.
True up to a point. While “reverse” cuckolding can’t happen, a man who fathers a child outside of his marriage will have financial responsibility for this child (even if he doesn’t want this financial responsibility, modern society will make sure he does through child support). Marital resources are thus diverted to support a child conceived outside the marriage. The final effect is roughly the same as if a woman bears a child which is not her husband’s. You may argue that a woman’s cuckoldry of her husband requires deceit. Yes, but equally a man may father a child by another woman, finances the child and its mother, and keep it from his wife. The world abounds in stories such as these. Indeed, my own mother was a product of such a “secret” relationship.
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I have a bit of an off-topic quandary. How do you deal with the BFF beta male orbiters of women you are banging? It seems that if I point out the BFF beta male orbiter’s implicit cockblocking behavior I come across as butthurt/jealous, but if I let it go then I obviously get cockblocked.
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If you’re already intimate with the girl, why should it matter?
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Hmmm I don’t think you want to point out any implicit cockblocking unless it is part of your strategy to deal with it. You deal with the behaviour rather than drawing attention to it and expecting the behaviour to stop when attention is drawn to it.
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You obviously haven’t reached a stage where it is obvious to your GF/FWB/whatever that you are a far better catch than any of the BMOs by a long long shot.
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Need more details. Specifically:
1) Have you fucked her yet? More than once? No sex yet but at least made out? Or she’s into you but you haven’t kissed yet? Which stage you’re at with her changes the dynamics of how to optimally handle it.
2) Are you friends with the guys? Are they a part of your social circle? Do you need them to like you to avoid drama in your day to day life? Are they big scary physically threatening dudes or gay effeminate annoyances?
3) How do they cockblock you? Do they just hit on her on Facebook? Do they prevent you from taking her home (like by demanding they drive her home or purposely needing her attention and for her to drive them home (like they purposely get too drunk or start drama))? Do they ruin her mood? Do they tool you right in front of her in person and if so, what kind of tooling is it?
4) To the best of your knowledge has she fucked any of them in the past? ie – are they her ex-boyfriend or ex-fuckbuddy or anything? Have they dated at all or tried it? Does it seem like she’s attracted to them? Or more like she feels she has to babysit them or can’t “go against” them because they’re BFFs and she doesn’t want them to be mad at her?
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Ya:
I’ve been fucking this girl for over a year, and this is a guy I’m friendly with who is in our social circle. The problem is that he sort of ingratiates himself in situs where it should be just me & her… like some sorta lost puppy. Worse, he sorta expects to be given preferential treatment/time with her by his behavior. I want to be like “seriously dude? Fuck off” but since the guy is like her BFF and in my social circle I think that would not go over well lol (and I actually don’t know if they’ve fucked or anything in the past). Others have guessed that the BFF wants to be more than friends with her or is trying to protect her from me since I’m a “bad boy” lol. I’m certainly not her bf, even though that’s what she wants, so that factors in too.
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Okay, so he’s the overprotective BFF with a crush on her, AND you’re stuck with him in your social circle. This type is annoying as fuck because you can’t befriend him (since you’re with his dream girl, and he thinks you’re scum, and probably thinks you’re hurting her by not being her BF), and you can’t tool him (since she clearly hasn’t told him to fuck off yet), and you can’t be rude to him and tell him to fuck off (since he’s part of the group), you can’t set him up with other girls because he wants her specifically, etc.
Know two things:
1) She doesn’t want to fuck him. If she did, she still would be. So he’s not really a “threat”, just an inconvenience.
2) She’s caught in the middle because ditching you means no more good sex, and ditching him means losing a friend. If she had to choose between the two, as good as the sex is, bailing on her social circle BFF would cause too much drama (she’d have to admit she wants sex which makes her sound like a slut, plus all the other problems/losses) so there’s a pretty good chance she’d choose him, so don’t fall into giving her an ultimatum…you only give an ultimatum when you know you can win it lol. If he wasn’t a part of the group or didn’t know her well, you could do it.
That said, you’ve been fucking her so you have a little pull to make some demands. So you have three options:
1) Ignore it. I mean ultimately does he prevent you from fucking her? You don’t want to be her BF so do you *WANT* to spend time alone with her that doesn’t involve fucking? Because that’s going to make her even clingier and make her hit the “you have to be my BF or I can’t do this anymore it hurts too much because I love you” ultimatum a lot faster.
So does he make it so you can’t fuck her, or do you still, at the end of the night, take her home, but you’re just stuck hanging with him all night and he bugs you because you know he’s trying to cockblock? Like if you really boil it down, is what bothers you about the situation just that he keeps relentlessly trying and won’t take a hint and you’re feeling kind of territorial? If he wasn’t into her and at the end of the night he was like “you two go have fun, I’ll drop you off at your place to hook up!” would him being around bother you? Are you into her more than you realize?
Cause if he’s not stopping you from laying her, and your main grievance is that he’s trying to mess your game up, you getting annoyed by him is just some minor insecurity on your end. This is really the best route…he’s not ACTUALLY a threat, she’s not going to be like “oh BFF I want to bang you because you gave me a ride home” or “oh BFF you’re right this guy’s a jerk even tho he fucks my brains out, I’m going to throw that away”, so fuck it, why let it bother you? This is also the best route because it’s all internal on your end and doesn’t require you even bringing it up to either of them so there’s the least chance for drama or fucking her head up.
2) Start being distant when he’s around. Be totally into her and fun and attractive and then when BFF shows up pull back and go talk to other people and even bail to another bar or head home early (on a night she’s expecting to hook up) without telling her. Then when she inevitably asks what’s wrong, you can be vague about it like “I dunno, I’m just tired of hanging out as a 3-some with BFF. He’s a nice guy and all, and I know he’s your friend, but the guy doesn’t really know when to leave and you don’t tell him it’s time to go…so when I’m looking forward to spending some time alone with you and he shows up it’s like ehh, I just don’t feel like competing for your attention.”
If you want to play a risky emotional game that might fuck her up you can throw in “I guess lately I’ve just found I want to spend some more time alone together with you, but you don’t seem to want the same thing or you’d let him know to back off a bit…but that’s cool, we should probably keep things from getting too serious anyway…” and look off into the distance lol. This’ll make her go “OMG I might get him into a BF relationship if I tell BFF to fuck off a bit!!” but like I say, this will fuck her up if you have no intention of actually being her BF and keep stringing her along. This is why Option 1 is better than this…this is the selfish “I don’t want to work on myself so I’m going to lie and use people to get what I want” dark game Option…it works but a lot of people would consider you kind of a piece of shit for using it instead of manning up and just handling your internal shit like Option 1. 😛
3) Bring it up. After you rail her and you’re both laying there sweaty and in the after-glow of sex, tell her “look, this is fun and I like hanging with you, but I don’t think BFF approves of this at all and he’s getting less subtle about it. I’m not going to make you choose between us or anything, but him hanging around us constantly tagging along is getting to be annoying…you need to let him know when he’s overstaying his welcome.” This is the worst Option because while it can work, you’re flipping a 50/50 coin on what this is going to stir up in her…there’s a good chance it’s going to trigger her going “well you don’t want to be my BF anyway, so who cares? Or are you saying you want to be my BF now? I’m getting tired of us just having sex…I need something more, and if you can’t give it to me then I don’t know if I can do this anymore.” and running head-first into the ultimatum.
So those are pretty much your best Options…and as you can see, the more of a fit you throw, the more chance you’ll spawn drama and/or a shitty outcome. So ideally you should figure out why exactly he bugs you and what exactly is the big deal ultimately if ya, he’s a douche, and ya he hangs out with you guys a lot, and ya he wants special treatment when he’s there, but at the end of the night you still take her home and fuck her.
Handling your shit is always the best option.
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This is why I don’t bother with “social circles”. Too many douchebags and mouthbreathers out there, and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna expend any energy ingratiating myself to these tards.
Seriously, this should be a total non-issue. Ignore the guy, tell the bitch she can go hang out with him and you’ll go do your own thing. Done, I guarantee she’ll be back on your dick in no time and BFF dude is blown out.
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Thanks YaReally. I’ve been doing 2) more or less so I think I’ll continue to follow that strategy
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AB,
Your situation is very common and requires a delicate balancing act between willingness to ruin the FB situation and/or losing the BMOG as a friend.
As YaReally mentioned, there are a multitude of variables involved in the situation, but I will paint in a broad brushstroke which I have found covers most every situation and keeps things (and your life) simple.
The first rule is to always be honest. This means honest with the girl as well as yourself. If you do not want a relationship, you need to keep that clear with the girl at all times. You also need to be aware of your own emotions and whether you REALLY don’t want a relationship or are starting to have feelings for her.
You cannot string a girl along just to keep her as a FB/relationship option if there are other men who obviously are looking for the type of relationship she is looking for. Simply to hoard her and keep her off the dating market, or, worse to give her false promises of future relations.
There are simply too many women out there and lying/stringing them along with false promises is a poverty mentality and a deeply beta strategy. The path of the weak man with no options. Think George Clooney has any shortage of women due to his outright declaration that he will NEVER get married again?
And if she is playing along as FB to rope you into a relationship, this disconnect between your desire for strict NSA relationship and her angle at getting you to cave into the BF role will CONSTANTLY rear its head and will resurface very frequently in her words and actions.
In my experience this is very uncomfortable and not a fun situation. You will have the same arguments over and over about this (and lets face it, in an NSA situation there should not be any “fights about the ‘relationship'”).
However, that being said, assuming you are totally cool with the NSA nature of the relationship, the following is an example of a powerful nuclear-level push/pull strategy you could follow to simultaneously put the BMOG firmly in his place and/or shock the FB chick into immediate self-reassessment mode, sending her fleeing from the BMOG and with full awareness of why she is with you.
It is honest, it is masculine in its display of confidence. It combines mate-guarding, pre-selection, dread and ignites her hypergamous nature and fear of peer disapproval.
This is passive-aggressive enough so as to keep him a friend, but to stake your ground at the same time.
It should be noted that true Omegas are gentle souls who need to be treated with care and often are not part of your social network. They may respond to a simple talking-to and I would urge against such a nuclear-level strategy. Agressive oribiter Betas who are trying out game on your FB are another story and often need to be shown a direct display of Alpha dominance that commands their respect and forces them to pull back.
The following also assumes that the FB girl is a game-player, actively reveling in BMOG male attention in front of you. Or a girl who may kinda, sorta maybe possibly like this guy on some level and makes it an ongoing thing to mildly flirt with him.
NOTE: This is reserved ONLY for those girls who enjoy seeing men twist in the wind as she “makes up her mind” about who she will date because “so many men, so little time. tee hee hee”.
This will cement you as a confident man and and demonstrate an abundance mentality, thus neutralizing her games.
You may use either one or the other of these, but you’ll find that 1+2+3>6. That is, they are synergistic in nature. One causing a powerful push, the other an incredible pull:
1. When you are out in a group, and the BMOG is orbiting and cockblocking, take out your cellphone, stand back and say “photo!”. Take their picture, look at it and say “you guys look great together”. The next afternon (not that night), post this to Facebook with the caption “Ken and Barbie” or “what a cute couple!”, tagging them in the photo.
She will get shortly and swiftly get an intense Q&A session from all of her friends about “who is that guy?” as they judge the photo. “Is that your boyfriend”? Her visceral anger at you for tagging her in this photo will be white hot, demanding you take it down. Your flipped-script plausible deniability of “I’m just having fun” will resonate deep in her female processing system as she knows not the antidote to her own poison.
This will result in her automatically rejecting the BMOG in more up-front ways so save social grace with her friends while your aloof attitude toward it (“haha don’t get so pissed, I was only tagging some photos with dumb captions”) will send her hamster into orbit.
You are now the semi-discreet FB with a Jedi-level aloof/joking nature who is her sexual safe harbor. All HBs like a guy who knows how to gently and playfully tool the senstive spots of her mind.
Ironically, while the BMOG is blown out, he is revelling and bragging that he’s been socially tagged as this girl’s BF on Facebook. How little does he know. The blue pill dissolving in the KoolAid tastes very good to him as he pours himself another cup and leaves a little purple mustach on his upper lip.
Again, this is reserved for in-your-face flirtatious girl who revel in their hypergamy AND BMOGS who are a major deliberate pain the ass. The wrath he feels from her will likely reject him hard so use caution or temper this in some way. Maybe drop the photo caption to something more neutral.
This is the “Push” part of the equation.
2. When the OMOG/BMOG begins to insert himself too much and starts to harsh your mellow, make it a point to break off of the group to go to the restroom or and leave the FB and BMOG alone in awkwardness.
Without her audience of 1 (you) to witness her fabulousness in flirtatiously picking from the multitude of men at her beck and call her power is gone. She is now stuck with BMOG swirling a mini-umbrella in her fruity drink and doing the small-talk thing while he continues to try and game her.
As you leave the group, be social. Stop and talk to HBs. If nothing other than to ask her what time it is. Or if she goes to your gym, as she looks familiar. Or to give her money to buy you a drink because she’s better at getting the bartender’s attention.
The FB will be watching you, be assured. She will watch you walk away and your interactions with smiling HBs will preselect you, and reinforce to her she she ALREADY HAS the Apex Male. No need to hypergame anymore. She’s won the night and is satisfied with her victory.
This is the “Pull” part of the strategy.
3. This final part can be done when you come back and rejoin the group or can be done as a standalone method another night.
Due to near zero risk of rejection, this will blow the BMOG back, giving him a front-row seat and searing the pecking order into his brain. Even most Omegas will learn from this.
Keep in mind this is just one example scenario, the variations of such are as limitless as your seductive imagination.
Enter the group of the FB and BMOG in James Bond mode or other similar role-playing hyper masculine/assume-the-sale mode. Act as if you don’t know her and grab her lightly by the back of the next, surprising her with your presence.
With eye contract say something to the effect of, “I saw you across the bar, and I must say, you have amazing tits. Can i feel?” (as you simultanoeusly caress them). Then, “you even smell good too (as you nuzzle her ear). Then whisper in her ear “is this guy with you your boyfriend?”.
Women love role play, seduction and you’ll immediately create a divide in her mind between you (the sexy seducer) and the Beta to her left clutchinig his beer to his chest while watching with burning envy).
Then pull back into reality and neg with something like “I was just kidding, you don’t really smell that good”. Something to reengage playfully and get the group dynamics going again where everyone can converse.
This is a powerful way of marking your territory in the face of a Beta cockblock whil playing it off as friendly banter. It’s all done in a matter of 10-15 seconds. You then act as casual as possible “what are you all drinking?” or some such to turn down the buying temperature.
This is Push and Pull blended with Seduction and Inside Joke/Conspiracy.
So, ,in a matter of a few minutes time you have DHV with other HBs (#2), AMOGed (#3), shown a seducer side to you (#3), a playful side (#3) and possibly reframed the Beta in the girl’s eyes as the man who is secretly trying to get with her (#1).
#1 is reserved only for hard core game player girls who flaunt their “fabulousness” and ability to attract men in an attempt to annoy you, while simultaneously handling an annoying, agressive Beta. It is nuclear-level and will results in very hot blowback from her. A clueless Omegas should not be subject ot it. In fact Omegas will not likely be running that tightly to your social circles, anyway. They need other forms of remedial guidance by a patient friend, not shock therapy.
# 2 should be done with frequency as part of your internal operating system. #3 is good and variations of such should be done when wanting to establish direct caveman/seducer level control over a situation with a girl you are already sleeping with.
YaReally gave a very good answer to this. There are so many sub variables in such a situation, but dominance should always be asserted while reminding the girl that, you, a man of many choices is picking her to spend time with, in whatever form you both have mutually agreed on.
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Im gonna take a stab at this. You are basically her bf, in your mind but not in her mind. She is getting all of the great bf stuff from you but she has to not really give anything of herself. You want her to be your gf but shes not really down for that. So you see bff as somewhat of an obstacle even though he is just a cockblocking supplicating orbiter. So the solution is to stop being her bf and start treating her like a no good ho’ thats only good enough for condom sex every now and then. Once she sees that you arent giving her bf stuff anymore maybe she will come around. Maybe im off base, and if I am I apoligize for that. Ive ran into this a few times now, and I see this happening with my friends.
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dude, 2 things:
– listen to yareally
– be thankful you’re the fuckbuddy and not the orbiter
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If you are fuck buddies with a girl, why the hell are you hanging out with her bud anyway?
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I call on CH to make an entire post that would cover every situation mentioned by YaReally in here. It would do great good.
YaReally is also welcome to extrapolate on every situation he named here if he has time and will to do so.
Thank you.
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Go learn it first-hand, it’s a Thursday night, plenty of girls out. 😉
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Lol
Just did,
Returned early though, got work to do all night.
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how are these orbiters cockblocking women you’re supposedly already banging?
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Make the betas a part of your pack. If what you mean is “omegas,” then that’s a much tougher project. Betas are alphas who need guidance. Omegas are lost losers.
Bros before hos. Always and everywhere. Bros before hos.
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Has no one posted this (o/t) yet? The moment I saw it I thought of this site. Prof Buiter is a proponent of mass immigration to Europe and splitting troubles banks into good and bad banks. But he’s a man of many talents :
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ex-nyu-professor-arrested-stalking-citigroup-chief-economist-article-1.1388739#ixzz2XyIbm0UJ
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5 minutes of Alpha syndrome
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Interesting story
and here is one story they recommend,
Woman faked Facebook harassment to frame ex’s new girlfriend
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-harassed-facebook-cops-article-1.1336086#ixzz2Y8GWHMOg
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Shouldn’t it really be options at the same or higher SMV than one’s partner?
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I think with CH you can most surely assume this is a given.
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For women, yes, their options should typically be higher SMV for these purposes. For most men, I’m guessing it would encompass higher, even, and probably slightly lower SMV.
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For men it is anything above the doable threshold. Probably 6 or higher? Maybe 5.5 if the dude drinks a lot.
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Lol, the “doable” threshold is lower than a 6 based on what I’ve seen in life. That said —- you see the point of the .5 ratings! yaaaaaaaaaaaa. lol.
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Okay, well then follow-up…in every LTR I’ve been in, the girls were convinced I had other options — using that definition, and of course, that was false. So, it just seems like when a girl is -truly- and deeply attracted to you, she’s already convinced that you have other options, regardless of contrary objective indicators: solipsism working in the man’s favor.
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“when a girl is -truly- and deeply attracted to you, she’s already convinced that you have other options, regardless of contrary objective indicators: solipsism working in the man’s favor”
Yep.
When I first started getting laid via pickup, girls would get mad at me when I honestly answered how many girls I’ve had sex with…they were attracted to me so fast (sex on the first meet or first date, thanks to PUA skills I was learning) that they wouldn’t accept that I had only been with 2 or 3 other girls and they’d get mad because they thought I was lying or being sarcastic because obviously if they were that attracted then other girls must be as attracted because the only other option is that no other girls would bang me and she has bad taste and just banged a beta and that’s unacceptable to her hamster.
I thought it was fascinating from a psychology point of view…I ended up just lying and telling them what they wanted to hear, that I had been with lots of girls, even though I hadn’t, because they were legitimately getting pissed off at me when I wouldn’t “admit” it. It was so surreal to my rAFC mind lol
Tyler makes a lot of points related to this in this video…if she’s attracted to you it’s ultimately in her best interest to enhance your good attributes and minimize your flaws, so in the end she envisions you as this badass perfect guy so logically of course other girls would want you. Such mental gymnastics…again, I find this kind of thing fascinating:
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Yeah, the weird thing is I’ve never had any sort of problem with a girl like…plastering herself to me after we’ve slept together. It must have something to do with the fact that like….I have to overcome so much initially, that once the girl is attracted, she’s REALLY attracted. But it’s interesting, for sure.
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Same here. The beta in me used to want to jump in and disagree just because I felt that wasn’t true, till the clue plane landed and I stopped doing that. Another beta habit broken.
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She can have as many options as she wants…it doesn’t matter, I’m the best of them. She’ll never meet another man who makes her feel the rollercoaster ride of emotions she needs like I do, and her Hypergamy keeps her faithful even if (and in a way partly BECAUSE) she knows I’m exercising MY options.
So regardless of how many men are lined up at her door, she really only has ONE option: Me.
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The only reasonable and time tested way is for the man to be in charge, to exert is power and control over the entire relationship which should be framed according to the rules and vibes and cocks set forth by him.
It doesn’t matter how hot the hot bitch is as long as she’s desperate for her husbands cock and power and control and guidance. A man doesn’t need to love his stupid slut wife. Just do what he fucking says.
He needs to love his children. And even that doesn’t need to be reciprocated. A man who needs love is worthless. His mother is long gone and probably stopped wanting to hear his shit after age 8 but he stopped talking to her by age 13, leaving her desperate for his coc….uhh…..attention and desperation so she can feel needed.
In the end, nothing on this Earth can give your soul what it needs. Only the otherworldly and never-seen can do this.
There is a book which lays this all out and explains everything. Some might say it’s a GREAT book. And if you made a list of GREAT BOOKS, you might put it as the FIRST and LAST entry(s) on this list of
GREAT
BOOKS
FOR
MEN
So say we all.
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change your name if you’re going to shill for some stupid desert cult
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Well you see after I declared God was dead, he said “Nietzsche is dead” and as He says, so it is, for his is the eternal “Is” and always was and always will be, throughout time and not-time, for The Great(est) Book says that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
I jest..but seriously now, most of you are out of your depth(s).
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Ironic considering Nietzche was an athiest, admired the ancient Greeks, and felt life was a struggle save music and art
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Not “ironic” at all, you two tools. Nietzsche was perhaps the greatest admirer of Christ of his age.
Nietzsche predicted superficial skimmers like you misinterpreting his works, mistaking the superman for themselves. In his account, there is no greater Übermensch than Jesus of Nazareth, who bent the world to his moral will.
Nietzsche desired very much to be the “Anti-Christ.” Unfortunately he was not literally a Son of God. Therefore, he went mad.
The only part of his “Transvaluation of All Values” that survives is The Antichrist, which was to be the beginning of a four-part volume, when syphilitic insanity intervened. Interpret that how you will.
To call Nietzsche a simple atheist is to misunderstand atheism and to underestimate the philosopher himself. He did battle with The Alpha and the Omega, and he lost. I prefer to think he anticipated this loss in the middle of his attempted transvaluation, and bravely gave himself over to madness rather than vanquishment.
The path out of our impotent postmodern nihilism is to reconcile Nietzsche to Christ, which the great philosopher (indeed The Philosopher of our age) himself, nor his many brilliant 20th century students, could not accomplish. They rather decided to fight a battle that was already lost, which is why they became promoters of existentialist absurdity.
Hate to break it to ya: you ain’t the men for the job either.
Christus Dominus.
Matt
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“Peace of mind is not happiness.” TOO TRUE. Last weekend illustrated that point for me. On Saturday I went out with a chick I dumped for being too fat a while ago. I gave it another shot and she’s still nice, smart, easy talk to, etc. But being with her is just an inherently depressing drag. It’s like there’s this weight. (heh)
On Sunday, I went out with a slim and beautiful Japanese woman. Just the *feeling* of sitting across from a smiling and healthy woman was life-affirming beyond words. Never mind the sheer godlike bliss of having sex with a slim exotic woman who doesn’t have “the chip.”
They say “5 minutes of alpha man is worth more than a lifetime of loyal beta.” Well the corollary is “5 minutes of hot slim is worth more than a lifetime of loyal fatty.”
A man *can’t* be HAPPY with a heavy/ugly wife. Not possible.
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“A man *can’t* be HAPPY with a heavy/ugly wife. Not possible.”
As the saying goes: “I could be happy being poor, if I had never been rich.”
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Guys just have to remember to mind their own desires in this. Many guys dating who the television tells them is best, find out that not all that glitters is gold. This goes both for those who go for a more conventional beauty, as well as freaks who behave as if they think they personally invented fat, bodybuilder, scarygoth, and other off beat preferences.
Be aware that you have, essentially, been programmed to be much more tolerant of certain ugliness/masculinity than you may be aware. You must train your eye in order to deprogram. I recommend spending some time overseas in places that aren’t just for tourists. Get to know what real, healthy femininity looks like without a quarter inch thick layer of paint.
For those who may not be particularly concerned with healthy, but more into authentic whatever kind of freaks you like, going into the roots will help you too.
You’ll see all kinds in many different shapes and sizes, but you’ll see who is who, and who’s getting more or less attention, and the quality of that attention. You’ll also have an idea of how women behave when they understand that invested men are important to their survival.
If you’re in a store in eastern Europe, and there’s a lady cashier, buy juice and no alcohol, and see what happens.
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I don’t watch TV, but I still like the conventionally beautiful women. Who do you suppose “told me” to?
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Nobody needed to. The women on television are not conventionally beautiful. They’re wrinkled in their teens, and even worse and pumped with silicone by the mid 20’s.
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Oh, sit down.
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[…] heartiste.wordpress.com […]
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It’s so rare to see a really hot guy with a plain woman, but I see the reverse all the time. Maybe it’s because women will lose options with time (age). A guy with options can marry a woman with options and feel secure, because her options will go steadily downhill and his won’t.
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That’s because you don’t “see” hot in a guy.
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Not necessarily true. I’ve seem quite a few ‘Alpha-type’ dudes with plain Jane/Asian, etc., et al. girls in San Francisco. Just because there are a lot of homosexuals does not mean it is easy picking for (straight) Beta males. The gay guys upped the ante for the remaining straight guys. Most of the straight women there run their own version of ‘tight game.’ In other words, the women in SF have a lot of gay male friends, and because of this they become PICKIER! Location, location, location.
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I live in a region where there’s lots of obesity. When that’s what you’ve got, slender females are at such a premium that it is not unusual at all to see a very attractive man around here with a relatively plain, slender woman.
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Ain’t this the truth. Flyover country is rife with this scenario. Or anywhere the ratio of men to women is skewed by too many single men & not enough single women, e.g. ski towns, etc. Plain women can gain 3 points by moving to these environs.
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They are not saying men prefer ugly women, they are saying men prefer a woman that is not too hot.
If she is too hot there is a higher risk someone will come and steal her away from you ( or she will cheat because she will have a lot of offers)
Marrying a 7 feels safer than an 8.5 that is all they are saying.
less hot does not equal ugly.
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I rather suspect that less desirable men prefer somewhat less desirable women than do more desirable men.
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Let’s say a man is a 7 and his woman is an 8.5 , he will have to work hard to keep her, she knows she can do better
but if he is the 8.5 and the woman is a 7, she will probably tolerate more from him because she can not replace him easily, he will not have to worry as much that she might leave or cheat
( …if this comment is posted as the last 2 or 3 are still stuck in wordpress’ filter)
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CH has an interesting article that covers this subject (scroll down to “The girl you are dating is two or more points below you in sexual market value”):
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/the-two-exceptions-to-game/
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Abbot and Costello had this exchange:
Costello: When I get married, I’m going to marry an ugly girl
Abbott: Why?
Costello: If I marry a pretty girl, she might leave me
Abbott: But an ugly girl might leave you too
Costello: Yeah, but who cares?
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Larry : You think we can find him a wife in time?
Moe : Are you kidding? When Shemp turns on the charm, no dame can resist him.
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Love shemp, so underrated.
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lol’ed hard. Those guys were brilliant.
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IMO we might also subconsciously perceive women with ideal feminine features as too delicate for the rigors of childbirth and parenting. If I wanted a woman to sire and raise as many heirs as possible I would choose a girl with some girth over feminine beauty Amber Heard. Perhaps this is why highly polygamous Mideastern and African societies tend to have short, rotund women who provide large litters.
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their bone structure is the same. they’re just fat pigs…
If they lost weight, they’d be ..similar to…Amber Heard. Most of them anyway.
The life they live also effects the way their body grows, as has been mentioned here and should be obvious by now. I see square hideous Mexican women with cute-as-fuck little hipster Mexi-slut daughters all the time. they’re skinny as can be, even with cute feet. Their mothers on the other hand…those years as human Clydesdales did a number on them.
I’m always amazed when I see reasonably attractive Mexican guys with square fatso wives. I know they all cheat on them but come on..They’re almost as horny as niggers.
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They’ll get fat later on, trust me. Some groups have more people who are predisposed to be short and squat, Mexicans among them.
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I’ll take Amber.
You have some weird physiognomic theories about what constitutes a baby machine. The stouter, uglier, more compact the better? My dick doesn’t see it that way.
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Again I don’t think no one is saying they would rather have babies with an ugly 3 who looks like a man
All they are saying is that a 7 seems a safer and better choice than a 9
It is not either pretty or ugly, it is a question of degrees
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I would too (drool worthy pic thanks), but if I were trying to have as many kids as possible (which is the norm in many cultures) I would take a squat Arab woman or a thick Serena Williams-like negress with wide hips and lots of bottom fat. Amber is probably too delicate to crank more than three younglin’s lol..
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I agree that options play a huge role.
What is also important is consequences or potential (perceived or real) consequences of exercising those options.
My belief is that both women and men will basically do what they believe they can get away with.
What used to keep help keep womens hypergamous instincts and/or the exercising of her options were the constrains placed on her by extended family (expectations and pressures on her to behave in a certain way), by society in general (marginalisation or exclusion) and the loss of or access to resources (money).
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The “constraints” on women’s options have steadily been eroded and the “consequences” have been minimised.
Now a woman is more likely to be financially better off by divorcing her husband; the government will take care of her and her children, she does not care or need the approval of her extended family; her deluded friends will even support her in her choices.
Meanwhile, men continue to be blamed for everything.
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Really $&%&ing true man. I have an Afghan friend who came over on a military combat translators visa (he was basically on patrols for almost 5 years without a break). His Afghan wife is a total, nightmare bitch and as he returned for another tour (this time as a US citizen at $200k/year) he took the opportunity to see her family there and explained to them that her behaviour was unacceptable and that he was just about done with her. Apparently this last line of defense (attack ? ) straightened her out sufficiently because she would have lost the support of her family and him. I think that she is not yet aware of the benefits of being an American woman but I predict that she will and that will be the end of that.
I have an American friend getting divorced who makes $150k/year. He has to give his ex $60k/year plus half of tuition and activity fees for the kids which will probably equate to another $15k so she will get half his income plus the $40k/year she makes for a total of $115k for her even though he will have the kids half the time.
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Yes, I know an Afghan woman separated from her husband (refugees, not a translator) and she knows every welfare program there is. Son is well on his way to becoming a criminal.
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Off topic, but I heard the best response to a shit test this morning while shooting the shit with a 70+ year old dude. Basically, I was busting his balls and making fun of his age-induced lack of sexual prowess and every other response that came out of his mouth was a calm and slow:
“Oh yeah? Well, I’m not the one who’s blushing.”
I’m not going to go into details how brilliant this line is. But I’ll go ahead and recommend some of you good folks to make friends with old people, especially ones who grew up before crazy feminism and was a badass in his youth like this guy was.
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I always prefer my women with double Fs: feminine and fertile. I’ll be here all week, folks.
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Timely …
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life/i-believe-in-negotiated-fidelity-20130606-2nshf.html
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It must suck being an Unatractive woman with money, there’s no way but down.
Most of the spinsters I know are unatractive women with coin.
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Good point. if you’re a rich ugly chick, you’re fucked. Can’t date up because your ugly….And the coin you have earned causes you to shrink your potential dating pool with unreasonable expectations.
So much for the empowerment of women.
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That’s what spoilt yappy dogs or cats are for.
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Very true. One of the unhappiest women I’ve known is an unattractive female drug company research scientist. She and her male colleagues make really high incomes. They attract lots of interested women and she gets little interest from men. She thinks her high income should work the same way for her that it works with them. She recently joined an internet dating site and sent out a hundred emails and didn’t get a single response. She probably emailed the hundred handsomest guys on the site and they all ignored her. She’s very intelligent in her career field but knows nothing about men.
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This is a common theme among Harvard MBA females.
They note that when a guy drops the “H Bomb” (says that he has a Harvard MBA) in a group, the women swoon. When a woman does it, the guys run.
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Yeah, the guys run because she’s most likely a type A, super driven ballbuster.
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Perhaps that’s why there’s so many high-earning women who totally suck at managing their finances. Not much upside for them to be savers.
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I think Heartiste’s relationship stability permutations are largely right, with one exception. I think that the happiest relationship scenario is the Man with few options + woman with few options. I have seen this happen many times in my life. When a fat male aspergery nerd enters into an LTR with a fat female aspergery nerd both are generally even happier than when an attractive man enters into an LTR with an attractive woman. Because the aspie nerds hardly know that truly attractive people exist. I used to work at one of the top STEM universities in America…which was full of ugly nerds. These people basically never went to the hip bars/clubs and would typically spend their weekend playing Dungeons&Dragons/watching Star Trek/doing math problems for fun/going to the local anime-gaming-scifi-comic expo. The only people they saw were other ugly nerds, and sometimes people of medium attractiveness. The people they thought were 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s were really 6’s and 7’s. When your world consists mostly of people in the 1-5 range, and the ‘hotties’ are 6’s and 7’s, you don’t feel as though you or your significant other are inadequate. You also aren’t aware of all the truly hot people that exist outside of your nerd bubble. Many of the guys and girls whom I grew up around with are in LTRs with each other. Some of them are engaged and a few couples are married. I have no doubt that almost all of these marriages will be stable and happy. These people are happy being unattractive and without options because they have no concept of what attractive people with options are like.
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Good point but how do you factor in the surplus of free internet porn available which are full of hot people? Won’t that skew their perceptions? How about the argument that so many of these people are attracted to anime characters precisely because of unrealistic beauty?
On the other hand, I can see how greater omega / lesser beta people can actually not be attracted to super hot people.
For example, I couldn’t touch Penthouse since the models there seem too unreal. On the other hand, I seem to have a thing for cow/”grandma” tits and bad teeth, a staple of Japanese porn which really do often pick random women/housewives off the street.
I seem to have a subconscious trigger in my brain telling me if the woman is actually obtainable in real life, thus I get an erection. Otherwise, I don’t, regardless of how universally lauded as hot a woman is supposed to be.
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A case of ignorance (and few options) is bliss?
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Yes, Mr.C, ignorance is indeed bliss. I started reading Heartiste’s blog back when I was still a minor, so I learned before I started interacting with adult men to avoid alpha males and any other males out of my league like the plague. It’s hard to be a hypergamous entitlement princess if I basically never see men who are higher SMV than me, right?
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Maybe smart, nerdy people find your idea of “attractive” just boring? Your average pretty woman is very, very boring. And, a “pretty boy” gamer? How ridiculous he would seem to a woman who is used to highly intelligent, creative men.
The “beautiful people” are usually boring. They get by on their looks and charm. There might be a few jewels among them, but, pleez, that wears off fast.
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I disagree. First, there’s hairy ape’s point about pr0n. Then, there’s the fact that hot chicks also appear in cartoon form on mmporgs. They really don’t care, or have any hope, of getting an attractive girl in real life — their apparent happiness may perhaps be attributed to low testosterone or some other malfunction in their sex drives.
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You have to realize that such people as you describe are intelligent and have active intellectual lives. The attractive people in bars would be in almost every instance completely boring to such people. Just by hanging out in bars you self-identify as a boring person.
I find physically attractive but dumb women painful to be around. The disconnect between their looks and their brains is jarring. And, they have a high opinion of themselves because they are attractive and have done nothing to improve on themselves, since they have been told all their lives how great they are. I much prefer to be around a homely dumb woman. They appreciate your attention, and, since they haven’t gotten by all their lives on their looks, they have more substance to their personalities, by necessity. They might even read.
Naturally, brains and beauty are important. But, beauty and brains are such rare commodities, that most men, I think, will take average looks to get above average intelligence for a LTR. Beauty is, after all, a wasting asset.
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‘The attractive people in bars would be in almost every instance completely boring to such people. Just by hanging out in bars you self-identify as a boring person.’
lolwat. Nope. If anything, whenever I get past the social hook point with attractive people, I tend to be impressed by how cool and witty they are.
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By boring, I meant intellectually vapid. “Witty” is what verbally clever people do to sound important or smart. Play on words, etc. Unless they have an interesting job they have nothing to say of interest, and, they will likely not have read a non-fiction book since they left school. If a girl has read a non-fiction book, it will be some ridiculous book on emotions or relationships. Try finding somebody in a bar who is well read. I have. Once. And, if a boring person has traveled , they likely will tell a boring travel tale. (“Beach was so super”, etc.)
Anyhoo, back to the original post. I have no trouble seeing why brainy, nerdy guys are happy with brainy, nerdy girls, without the girl or guy being hot. The girl is low maintenance. A homely mate also makes mate guarding behavior unnecessary. All this stuff about long term game is just a form of mate guarding. Imagine the load off your shoulders. You can turn your back and relax.
Like the man said, for every beautiful woman you see, there are two or three men sick and tired of her shit.
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‘Try finding somebody in a bar who is well read. I have. Once. And, if a boring person has traveled , they likely will tell a boring travel tale.’
Well….usually wit and “plays on words” and little references tend to demonstrate whether someone is well-read, etc. I mean, I honestly don’t go to bars/clubs to sit and discuss “War and Peace.”
So it’s possible that instead of being boring, they just don’t know you. Once you get people to open up, they often have a lot of cool shit to say.
And honestly, I don’t think those people are happy. The “load” on your shoulders is what makes life interesting. I mean, these last months of just getting out there have lent a lot of meaning to my life. I sleep easier, I don’t have any regrets, because I’m out there doing the best I can and going after what I want. Every day.
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I find physically attractive but dumb women painful to be around. The disconnect between their looks and their brains is jarring. And, they have a high opinion of themselves because they are attractive and have done nothing to improve on themselves, since they have been told all their lives how great they are. I much prefer to be around a homely dumb woman. They appreciate your attention, and, since they haven’t gotten by all their lives on their looks, they have more substance to their personalities, by necessity. They might even read.
Well… if you want people with substance that you can discuss intellectual pursuits with, you talk to men. Women are meant to be flirted with, teased, and fucked, not discussing deep topics with as in the Ancient Greek Academy. Homely dumb women are pretty much useless.
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[…] Options = Instability […]
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Options are the kryptonite to Dread Game.
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Happy Fourth of July American friends but don’t celebrate because doing so is a hate crime and an act of terrorism.
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There is a word missing in CH’s analysis. It is ‘perceived’.
Men’s perceptions of options are based on being hard wired to make decisions that count. Objective rational thoughts where the results are accountable measured. And anyone who disagrees can point out to me the increase (there is none) in female nobel prize winners (especially in science) since feminism kicked in. Women can live in a world of wizards, pixies and fairies and it doesn’t matter to their existence. They can believe that Oprah Winfrey knows shit about anything and it doesn’t matter. They can take health care advice from ‘tv experts’ and (usually) it doesn’t matter.
Now throw in the world of facebook, online dating, feminism, welfare benefits, ease of divorce, magazines promising them that Aniston/Paltrow are still hot at 40 so you can be too etc etc. Bingo! Their perception of ‘options’ goes through the roof and since they are not conditioned (as much as men are) to have rational objective opinions then there is no curtailing of this nonsense. Its a bit like a man dining out in Hooters every night and convincing himself that he has ‘options’ because the waitresses talk to him. It really is that dumb.
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Amen. Women have a hugely overloaded view of their social value while they are married and strange and somewhat attractive men hit on them. Once single again, and they are looking to hookup with one of these attractive men, they find out quick they are just a lay.
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Not sure I agree with this. It ignores the possibility that two people really love each other. I have options, sure. And so does Dora. But our love has the effect of pruning that tree of options so that it may as well not even exist.
Yeah, sometimes I fantasize. Sometime late at night I’ll log onto Facebook and see what Emma is up to. But Emma hasn’t even spoken to me in over two years, so it’s harmless fantasy. As my gay friends like to say, “You can’t get AIDS from a blowjob, so that doesn’t count.” Not that Emma is going to give me a blowjob again, or that she ever did, but you get the point. It’s harmless.
And yeah, sometimes I get jealous when Dora hangs out with her guy friends on laundry day. I do the laundry every Wednesday while Dora hangs out with her guy friends. But it’s a fair exchange because she cooks on Tuesdays.
For all I know Dora sometimes fantasizes about having sex with her guy friends. In fact, two of them are ex-boyfriends. But I don’t have a problem with that. We’re in love and engaged, you see. Those things matter to people with values. You PUA’s probably don’t understand. You have lost belief in love, except the sort that is indistinguishable from the world’s greatest orgasm. Let me tell you. There is a difference.
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You seemed to have learned little from the blog site.
You speak of values? In this society? Unless you are both very religious and cut off from the broader society, and live with great sexual frustrations, your values are essentially worth nothing in a sexual relationship.
You should print out your post, and put it into a drawer.
In two years pull it out and read it. You will likely cringe with embarrassment.
By that time she will have cheated on you (“You were ignoring me!”) or (“I just don’t know how I felt!!” Sob), you will have cheated on her (“She got fat. She got boring. She got uninterested in sex.”), or one or both of you both will have gotten bored of the whole situation. If you are still together, it will be likely out of inertia.
It’s true these PUA’s are cynical. They have been around more women than you. It is the amateur’s enthusiasm coming up against the old pro’s jaundiced eye.
Now, I have read studies, using brain scans, that claim some people can maintain romantic love for their partner for years. So, it is possible. Don’t plan on the possible. Plan on the probable.
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Agreeing with this writeup by CH.
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“The new [artist’s render of] Barbie is almost 150 pounds and 163.3 centimetres tall, which would give her a body mass index of 25.5, falling on the low end of the overweight spectrum.”
Ken wept.
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I’ll be hated for this, but her “bubble butt” is nice…
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tragically that revised chubby barbie still looks better than a lot of american women.
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“New Troglodyte Barbie!”
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Options mean you can say anything and even if it’s just on the cusp of beta, you get away with it if you have options.
I was at a party dancing with a girl I’ve been gaming.
I asked her what attracted her to Latin dance:
Her: It’s sexy…
Me: Oh…
Me after the dance: Sexy….
Her: You or me?
Me: Me…
Her; You’re very sexy
Me: You too…sometimes
Her: yah, I’m tired today blah blah blah (qualifying her lack of energy)
The “You too” just slipped out…the “sometimes” part suddenly made her perk up.
The whole “I don’t care” attitude made me pull it off…
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Why does the media act shocked every single time this happens? Feigning surprise at a sunrise would be more credible by now.
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Everyone should check out this episode of Ace On The House, Adam Carolla and his friends Snake and Ray discuss fighting and recount their trips to Tijuana in their late teens/early 20’s. One of the best podcasts ever.
http://www.adamcarolla.com/AceOnTheHouse/2013/06/snake/
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“If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.”
You might even want to consider taking a PIG as a wife!
Breaking news! Humans are hybrids of chimpanzees and pigs. Not a joke. Explains a lot, really…
http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html#.UdQn3Zz5T1U
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The hot girl and her mom. .. They both want to fuck me,.
ooh ooh, this is so complicated. How can I decide?
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But what if you’re Sweetheart or Thwack Master G? The first has no options, the other has purely bestiality options. What’s are the subhuman and a subhuman-lover to do? Help them, o heartiste!
Also, rape!
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Amusing …
http://www.quickmeme.com/Rationalization-Hamster/?upcoming
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http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sqeg0/
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Bill Burr is kinda awesome.
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Too good not to share. (contains nudity)
http://zengarage.com.au/2013/06/emily-ratajkowski/
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“Man with options + woman with options = stable”
Gotta disagree with you here.
This *can* be a stable relationship when things are fine. But when any kind of stress in on this relationship the opportunity and desire to stray are large.
Unstable.
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I see it as “Man with options because of tight game + woman with options = stable”.
The good game part is semi-redundant because that’s what gives the man options, but some people see the man having options because of his status (also true). However, all things equal, the man with tighter game stands much less chance of his woman straying.
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Saint Peters Basilica… Rome.
John Paul the 2nd.
Christmas mass. 1995. 10,000 people are just a smear on the floor.
I am in no way Catholic.
But, dam. The guy had big brass balls.
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This flows from the Just say No post previously.
You can say No if you have options.
Girl I’m seeing suddenly writes this week saying her crazy mom now wants to move into her apartment because she’s a hoarder and her home is apparently too messy to run the air con in summer. So she’s taking over her daughter’s apartment—would it be ok to say with me for 6 weeks while mom takes over her apartment?
No. She’s been sulking since then.
A friend asked “Why wouldn’t you want a woman in your bed for 6 weeks?”
I explained because it’s not just a woman, it’s her mom and her baggage.
First it’s 6 weeks, then “Oh, mom really likes my apartment so we’re selling her home, can I stay a little longer?”
A few days later I text to ask how she’s doing.
She replies that friends have been offering her a place to stay and kind words…etc..
Passive aggressive crap.
The more get involved in a girl’s drama, the less control and options you end up having in your own life.
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Great video. The 1% really are the those who control “the cathedral,” via regulatory capture. We won’t make any changes to this until we can throttle the big banks.
On another note, fake rich guy game (with a ton of charisma, of course) probably works well–replica watches, well-purchased high end suits, etc.
Until we can form some sort of coalition to wrest control of the beast back from the Cathedral, the the best thing we can do is opt out. Starve the beast. Minimum income to achieve player lifestyle, and opting out of the ‘merican dream, to the extent which it makes sense for you.
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I wonder what proportion of that top 1% is Jewish/Zionist.
…… there, I said it.
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Why do you think Oprah is always telling women they can “have it all?” Because she’s trying to spread the misery she’s found in being wealthy & old & unattractive.
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Considering her audience she is also referring to the buffet.
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OUCH!
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So, had a great night last night. And a year ago, I would’ve been like ‘o ya it’s because I look better.’ Now, I can break down exactly why things went well.
Meet up with one friend, end up running into several other friends and a 6 I haven’t seen for awhile = have a group where I’m the main connector — DHV.
I know the guy at the door, which means we can all cut the LONG line thanks to me —- DHV (and everyone in the line sees us cut)
I’m so into the 3 second rule that when it’s crowded, I just say to every girl I pass. 80% of the time they smile and say hi back. Perception is reality, it’s like I know everyone there — DHV.
There’s a really hot girl who takes surveys for smokers at this place often. And like, every time she’s there I hit on her (I don’t smoke but I’ve taken the survey like 10 times….lol). So when we all sit down and she comes by, I’m back to my old tricks. This time, I make her say something nice about me before I’ll do the survey. She relents and says I have a nice smile; compliment from a hot girl + apparent history of banter with her = DHV
Say nothing but nice things about my friends and how awesome they are = DHV
I even turned a prior mean blowout into a DHV. One time I wore my sunglasses in the bar and this one girl was just like ‘you can’t wear those inside, you look like a douchebag, blah blah blah blah…you’re not cool enough.’ So I see her and I’m like ‘o hai der!’ and she does her little snarl. Then, I address the group ‘ya, she couldn’t handle how awesome my shades are…’ to which, she leans over and is like ‘NO, HE WAS WEARING THEM INSIDE AND I JUST TOLD HIM….’ walking right into the trap — she’s reacting to me, and I now have a clear identity (and it’s awesome) thanks to her….group just loves me more = DHV
Two REALLY hot girls pass in front of where we’re sitting, and — idk what possessed me — but I do a loud english accent to one of them and thrust out my hand ‘Oh why hello there!’ and she stops, ‘oh how do you do govna’ and takes my hand. Almost instantly I just pull her down to sit, she complies…with my hand resting on her lower back. lol. And we’re just talking for a few minutes before her friend comes and literally PULLS her away. Group is like “did you know her?” “Ha, nah….but I almost got away with it!” = Huge DHV
The girl in this original group was the girl that I haven’t seen for months. In FR #-2 or 3 or whatever, I said something about her jacket looking like a gunfighter’s, and she was just like ‘whatever.’ NOW, after those displays, it’s like me and her are old friends — she’s hugging me, touching me, leaning in, buying me and my friend drinks lol. So ya before we made out later…she completely respins her behavior from that last meeting ‘o ya im friends with ur ex and u kno i didn’t kno how to react, whether i should hate you or not.’ Psh. Ya right.
Same thing happened with a 7 I ran into a little later. She, upon witnessing my awesomeness, is like ‘omg u never hit me up!’ lol….A LIE. She is the flakiest flake who ever flaked.
Unfortunately, all of that stuff in the beginning probably could have been turned into something more, but….lol free drinks don’t come often. So, ended up just having a great drunken night out. My original friend, who hadn’t seen me in like five months, was just flabbergasted (normal beta, smart and nerdy, great guy tho….a lot of AFC’s, as I’ve noticed, are little cunt value takers)…and he was like ‘wow, your game is so awesome man….’ and he also said ‘ya you look totally different, I can really tell you hit the gym.’ So…in the past I would have been like, ‘o ya, must be my aesthetic progress that made this night awesome.’ But nah….perfect storm of state + social proof really.
Most important was the fact that I was able to create a good time for my friends. I think that’s probably the best feeling. It felt like a taste of what could one day be….
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Nice. Keep at it.
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O/T
I am usually a skinny guy who hates confrontation. After reading this blog I have started to embrace and actively enjoy it. This is a related anecdote .
I went to the bank about 6 months ago. Long story short I just wanted some non financial documentation that the asshole at the bank was not giving me. Every time I asked him he would say that he would have it ready tomorrow.
After asking politely for about 4 days I got pissed, suppressed my anger went to the office and wrote a detailed email to the grevience officer with cc to the MD of the bank. Within one hour I get a call from the manager that my documentation was ready. Needless to say everyone at the bank thinks I am a crazy sociopath, but I get respect and priority service.
I was at the bank after a long time yesterday and a new 7 had joined.so people were talking behind my back about what I did, and how I was crazy. She was pretty intrigued, and threw blatant IOIs. I didn’t even try DHVing and boom, her eyes light up.
Lesson learned : asshole über alles
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An intersting read;
http://www.evoandproud.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/white-skin-privilege.html
Of note;
“This trade was considerable in Muslim Spain:
The same convoys of booty also included women, these Frankish women who were all the more sought after in Cordova because they were blond and fair-skinned. It was among them, as among the captive women from Gascony, that the Umayyad princes chose their most pampered concubines and who, once they became mothers, were themselves raised to the rank of veritable princesses, of proven sultanesses (umm walad) who were influential and quick to enter, with the assistance of Slav eunuchs, into secret and complicated palace intrigues. But the Frankish women did not populate only the caliph’s harems; the dignitaries of the khassa and the rich burghers of the cities also procured them at lavish prices, like, in the modern period, the Circassian women who have so curiously tinted the upper classes of oriental Muslim society. (Lévi-Provençal, 1953, p. 179)
Such women came from places that were poorer and less advanced than the Muslim world. Neither they nor their future masters knew what white skin would signify over a half-millennium later.”
Hmmm, it seems a comparison today of white liberals/white anti-whites as eunuchs or cuckolds is quite historically apt.
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Women themselves never like their husbands to have female friends. Even when there may be nothing, his nearness to any woman arouses suspicion in the wife’s mind and she raises a hue and cry about it. She neither likes her female friends to get closer to her husband nor her husband trying to be more free with them, lest he develops an intimate relationship with any of them. Most wise women remain vigilant about their female friends too, lest one of them tries to steal her husband.
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Furthermore, there is an inherent sex difference in the destabilizing force of increased options. A man with more options than his partner is a less destabilizing force to his relationship than is a woman with equally more options than her partner. This phenomenon results from the greater hypergamous drive of women, who are less satisfied than are men with sub-par lovers, and from the biological reality that risk of female infidelity is a graver threat to relationship harmony than is risk of male infidelity for which there is no chance of “reverse cuckolding”.
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Women themselves never like their husbands to have female friends. Even when there may be nothing, his nearness to any woman arouses suspicion in the wife’s mind and she raises a hue and cry about it. She neither likes her female friends to get closer to her husband nor her husband trying to be more free with them, lest he develops an intimate relationship with any of them. Most wise women remain vigilant about their female friends too, lest one of them tries to steal her husband.
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