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The Ideal Destination For The Single White Man

July 11, 2013 by CH

It’s not a secret that American women have lost their mojo. They’ve fallen far from the heights of the pin-up girl era to the present day man-squerading as lantern-jawed corporate henchcunts and biodiesel dirigibles. If ever there was a time for American men to get the hell out of Pudge and seek pinker pastures oversees, this is it. But such a decision is not as easy as “go to where the grateful hotties live.” Many factors must be taken into account besides density of pulchritude. If the Congo was filled with hot women but everything else about the country was the same, would you live there?

It’s also not a secret that America is morphing into a 2nd and soon 3rd world dump thanks to the traitorous machinations of our ruling class whose lust for cheap labor and neoPuritan Yankee eagerness to stick it to the wrong kinds of white people has eradicated any semblance of border control against the tide of orcs and dissolved the last stirring of unifying national bonhomie. Hence, some American white men are pondering the wisdom of going back to Europe, cradle of their genesis.

Thinking seriously about this subject, Randall Parker has butthexed the data and located an ideal destination for the single man in search of vaghalla and soul nourishment.

I’ve been thinking about the problem. Perhaps you’ve seem my posts where I ask my readers. None have come up with a good answer. But I think there is one: Ukraine. They are poor. Smart affluents would bring a lot to the table. They aren’t Russia. They would like to be less under Russian influence. America has never screwed them. [ed: America, fuck yeah!]

They have lower population density than the heart of Europe. One could always fly to Germany or Switzerland to see medical specialists.

The Odessa region has almost perfect climate for human habitation.

The summers are not as hot as NJ and the winters no colder.

The Crimea would be milder.

And, of supreme relevance, Ukrainian women are among the most beautiful the good mother earth, and perhaps genocidal world war and Holodomor culling, have produced. (And the Lord sayeth, Good things will come from great evil. Sorry, gotta include that great evil. Otherwise I’d get bored with the good good good all the time.)

Another possible upside (or downside, depending on your POV): Ukraine is on the feminine babe side of the Hajnal Line, or, as us wags like to call it, the Harridan Line. This is a geographic line that demarcates the part of Europe where nuptiality was historically lower (Northwest Europe) from the part where it was historically higher (East Europe). That is, in the traditional West where capitalism thrived, the women married later, had fewer kids, and worked more. This is the side of the Harridan Line that birthed the unholy tri-meme of feminism/equalism/multicultism. In the East of Europe, women married earlier, married older men, and had more kids. Generally, these women adhere more strictly to gender roles.

These kinds of selective pressures across the Harridan Line give rise to different types of female mentality. Ukrainian women are likely to be more feminine than Northwest European women, more apt to take care of their appearances and to watch their weights, and more at ease with their roles as the family nurturer and childcare specialist. They are also comfortable falling in love with older men, and welcome the wonderfully intoxicating leadership of their boyfriends and husbands.

The implications of the Hajnal Line are not all fun and games, though. Theoretically, there will be fewer beta males east of the Hajnal, and more cads, so your game has to be tight, especially up front during the attraction stage of seduction, when your main competition for the attentions of women won’t be wilting niceguys who don’t know how to plow through a shit test. On the other hand, if you can pass the early hurdles dealing with obscenely beautiful women who will shit test mercilessly for alpha congruity, your American Beta provider game should work much better on east-of-Hajnal women than on rode-worn-and-tossed-away-weary west-of-Hajnal careerist sluts with overpriced purses stuffed full of discretionary cash and scented condoms.

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  1. on July 11, 2013 at 8:19 am Goblincock

    What about teaching in the Far East?

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 8:48 am Anonymous

      white girls are more beautiful

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:08 pm Thrall

        The poise of Japanese women is unrivaled though. Looks is only 50% of attraction. The rest is demeanor.

        [CH: Um, no. Hilary Clinton has a lot of poise. Not many men with an ounce of options would deign to even dump a fleeting fuck in her seven sisters hole.]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:58 pm Anonymous

        Looks is about 90% of attraction

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:36 pm Scray

        anon is a phaggot.

        …
        o shit, sorry…been spending too much time on the misc lol

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:04 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:47 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlzozkozozozzo

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        true story–i hung out with the founders of pjmedia and know da original inevertsorsz and a lot of da bloggerz and teh original cto/technology advisor was my friendz

        but back den da gbfm didn’t blodgz so much as i hadn’t found my niche nicnh iche nichce zllzozozo

        anywho, i think that dalrockas and heartistes inspired da gbfm–when you guys happened, i finally heard a more pertinent, real, conservative, christain, classical, manly voice and was inspried to help out iwith my humblez talelelzozlzozl te talenetzlzlzozzl as best i coudld zlozozo

        dalrockraz should wirte a bookz!!! it woudl be aweosme witha ll his greatest hits !!!

        in factz dalrock, heartrsiets amnd da gbfm should wirte a zboozkz togetehrz

        THE THREE PILLARS OF MANHOOD (lzozoomg big pillazrsz lzozoz)
        by HEARTISTE and DALROCK
        with an Introduction from da GBFM, Ph.D. lzozozolzozozo

        da book would sell like hotcakeez and we wouldd finally all three of us get to meet megyn kelly on TVZ and YOUTUBESZ and da GBFM would sign a copy of da new book for her and ask her outaz on air live to da worldz !!!!! SCOREZ!!!!!

        when i sign da bookz i give to her it will say “da gbfm is a big fanz of yoru work twerk lzozozozo lotass occkas 4u my hotel room at da waldorf astoriaz midnightz zlozolzlzol” swooosh every time!

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:17 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        hey heartsitez!! heartsietez!!!

        now and den it seems hopeless for WESTERN CIVILZIAAIONZZ
        and even having more hot hottiezz over won’t solve da gloom da GBFM feelz deep downz

        but den i finds da miley cyrus videoz and da GBFM heavy heart is lightedned and my breast is filled with hope

        love conquers all so let us surrender to love — virgilz

        Omnia vincit Amor; et nos cedamus Amori.
        Love conquers all and we must yield to Love.
        Book X, line 69

        lzozolzlzo

        “la da di da deee we like to party
        dancing with miley!” –HOMER’S ILAIZZ ILIAD Zlzozlzoz

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm V

        ch, she dont like men anyway…

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:30 pm Raul

        facial plastic surgery is widespread in Korea, is not stigmatized unlike other countries, and often the results are amazing, ultimately what it matters is looking hot (though some of these singers seem to be natural)

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:58 pm Anonymous

        Until you sire an ugly halfbreed kid

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:34 pm Greg Eliot

        +1

        This isn’t rocket science.

        You race-mixing fairies.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm Raul

        Of course there are natural beauty out there, ask her for photos of middle school / high school, the Korean media praises this actress singer because her beauty is natural, her graduation photos were realesed and she looks the same, no plastic surgery

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:40 pm PA

        Listening to that video… I understand Ho Chi Minh and Kim Il Sung

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:25 pm asianlover

        no way. asians are more feminine and slender. white girls are too big

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:05 pm Jay in DC

        Spoken by the man that has never left the States… Go to Eastern Europe to see what EVERY Korean chick in the above video wants to look like. Blue or Green Eyes, blonde or red hair, huge tits, skinny body. Europeans are the Gold Standard of Beauty the world over. I feel such disgust right now I have to rip off Greg Eliot, you fucking fairy…

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:05 am Greg Eliot

        Always appreciate the extra help, bro… it’s a full-time job, with continuous overtime, corralling all the bernakified butthexters around here.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 11:15 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 3:22 pm aleister

        I live in EE. After a week spent in the western part of the continent I realise how ***** hot are womenzz are.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:26 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      & BEDZ
      & MANCAVE PADZ
      as der is a stready strema of hot hto hotties hottiez coming & gong ingz cumming & goingz
      for muhommed does not go to da mountain
      but da mountin cums 2 da gbfm
      whence da gbfm mounts da mounts and in his mountin
      da GBFM makes da mounts cumz lzozozozozozoz

      unforortunaely only da GBFM has accessz 2 all da hoyt ass dat frequent his place

      but do notz worries we all have our rolesz in dids dis

      your roll is 2 buy her dirnksz and idid dinnerz so dat da GBFM can text her at midnightz “lotzas cockas 4u my plc 30 min.”

      causez i don’t want none of dea bittieies drinkin my eheineekenez and eating my pisziziasiaz pizaasz. and also i don want no payu no cover charge and going out for hour adfter hour whiel isnetdd i read stay at home read homer’s iliada and oddyssey untilz midnightz when da drudndk mounts com cumsz over to da gbfmz for some moeusnaytins zlzlzlzozooz ounting mountin and dey cucmz z.zlzloz

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm KidB

        The GBFM rarely disappoints.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 11:39 am Hector_St_Clare

      Some of us aren’t into Asians.

      Heartiste is dead on about the Russosphere, I think. I really want to make a work trip there at some point (my main study organism right now is a grass native to Russia, so I’d have reason to go). But it would be cool to spend my free time looking for a cute Russian dream girl who’s looking for an American provider.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:57 pm KidB

        I’ve never understood the fascination with asian women. Their stumpy legs and nonexistent asses simply do not get me sprung. Of all the races, I think asian girls are the least attractive, and by a comfortable margin.

        When white guys say they like Asian chicks, I think what they really mean is that they like the fact that the Asian chicks have collectively decided that they prefer white dudes over asian dudes. It’s a a path of least resistance thing, and a subsequent convincing one’s self that it isn’t a path of least resistance thing. Actually an excellent example of man hamsterization.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:07 pm late late late bloomer

        the asian thing is in general a rookie mistake that guys like me with bad real-world experiences see as a grass-is-greener thing where all erotic tales are possible. after a year in thailand with something approximating in-laws i can tell you, blah.

        all they have going is they have solid social pressure against getting fat.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:10 pm goodspeed

        I think its more about the “facial aethetics vs body” thing.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:16 am chi-town

        I think Asian women do well in that regard. In fact I do see much more angel face among Asian women than I do otherwise in quantity. However Asian women don’t have the rock’em, sock’em sex factory bodies. Eastern European women of course have a lot of angel face as well, but also with the industrial pipe forge.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:58 pm OralCummings

        Stuff and nonsense,Sir! Yeah most Asian women are mediocre and a good number are homely,but a beautiful/pretty/moderately pretty,even asian girl can be strongly appealing. I like them tho I am NOT the fetish type guy. I,btw,seem to have some sort of Pussy Pass with Filipino girls. I dont think there are any I couldnt have! But alas most arent that appealing…so far!

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:47 pm Gracian

        You Asian-loving-beta-wimps are pathetic and inconsistent. As such, you ‘selective racism’ is glaringly apparent.

        Here is a hint for you:

        White Females are to Black Males, what Asian Females are to Whites Males….

        1. Different look
        2. Different flow
        3. Softer and more feminine

        Bye

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:26 pm KidB

        Bad example. Black females are objectively sexier than white females. They have longer legs in proportion to their height. This is a fact. And they have lower WHR. This is also a fact.

        Asian females are on the other side of the continuum. Stumpy legs. Higher WHRs. No ass. Insofar as it is possible to state that a set of females is objectively sexier than another then: black females > indian females > white females > latino females > asian females. (though I’m not 100% certain about my latino placement. I’m sure about the rest.).

        Black dudes go after white girls because of different look for sure, and maybe also because it makes them feel like more civilized or something.
        White dudes go after asian girls because they suck at life and couldn’t find any other girl that would let them insert their chubby into the moistness. I personally know at least a dozen low end beta males who ended up marrying asian chicks. Never once in my life have I encountered a guy who was in my estimation an alpha male end up with an asian. Not even once.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:08 pm Subway Masturbator

        Wow, that “Bye” makes your post so powerfully dismissive. It approaches the eloquence of a rapper’s edict that “we outta here.”

        Hey, do you flow, bro! Damn, you’re so ALPHA!! I’m just a fairy.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:19 am chi-town

        Black women do not have the hour glass, nor the multicolored locks.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:58 am Marie

        Flipo girls are fugly looking

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      • on July 14, 2013 at 4:15 am Robert James Griffith

        I agree 100% with your post. Asian women do however have many great qualities. They are generally easy going, intelligent, clean, friendly, and just generally enjoyable to be around and spend time with. And to allude to what some of the posters here have already stated, they do seem to rate White men very very high. And not just the poor Asian females. But even some of the wealthier Asian females I interacted with from Singapore and Japan were quick to tell me how much they love White men. Anyway, as far as females are concerned, I think Indian women are probably the most beautiful women iin the world. As a kid, I never knew any, however as I got older and got out more got a chance to date more than a few. LOL!! Out of the half a dozen or so that I dated, I can honestly say I never had a bad experience. On average, their bodies are well proportioned. They tend to have long legs, good hip to waist ratios, nice all year all body tans, and are often intelligent with good values. They also seem to possess that little something extra that makes them who they are. I live in Australia, and I can tell you now that quite a few Australian men find them very appealing. For a man who is willing to date interracially, I would Indian women at the very top of the list.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:33 pm Pete

        You may want to ask some if they are interested in brak da vita (marriage for a purpose) – they live with you, take care of you like a wife, including sex when you want. You give them spending money, usually about a thousand or so a month. No legal obligations.

        You will find some decent girls, not whores, who are interested in this arrangement. Especially once they hit 23-24.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 12:23 pm Pete

        The Russian term is Брак «для вида»

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:24 am chi-town

        Call it the Iron Butterfly.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm SwedishMafia

      The Opposite of Justice is….Women. ;D Check this out. And see what is going on in the US currently to see it’s truth.

      mayhaan.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-opposite-of-justice-women.html

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 6:50 am cynthia

      Teeth, hair, skin clarity, odor… some Japanese women are beautiful, but you’d be amazed how many of them don’t look like they’ve ever looked in a mirror in their lives, much less used a bar of soap. Truth is, ugly women are everywhere, but the difference with some place like Asia is that they only let the West see the gorgeous ones in media, etc.

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  2. on July 11, 2013 at 8:22 am Uncle Elmer

    Yeah but they can’t rock teen panties quite like a viet gal.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 11:37 am Sean

      God, there is nothing hotter than tiny Viet chicks walking in their shorty shorts down the street with the thigh gap in full display. Maybe Chinese chicks with the purse strap across their tits.

      Is summer not the best part of the West or what?

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  3. on July 11, 2013 at 8:25 am embracingourfemininity

    One of my close friends is a Ukrainian woman. She left Ukraine 8 years ago. Because now it is difficult to find work here I asked her if she would ever consider going back to Ukraine. She told me she never wants to because the winters are far too cold, there is money, and there is much more women than men, which makes it difficult to find a husband. (I am not sure of the ratio of women to men), I am just going by what she told me. I can’t speak for all Ukrainian women as I know only a few, and I once asked my friend how she is such a strong woman, and she told me that The Soviet Union years changed the mentality of these women so much because women had to go out doing men’s jobs. These women have very strong personalities, but she is a very good women, and she has a great body too. If a man were seeking a wife, I think it would be an excellent location to go.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 8:25 am embracingourfemininity

      that should read “there is not much money” *

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:59 pm OralCummings

        Duh give us a little credit!

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:27 am chi-town

        She did me a favor. I was on my way to the airport and only turned back just now because when someone says “there is money, and there is much more women”, I don’t ask any questions on something so actionable.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:02 pm corvinus

      There aren’t really any more young women than men — but because men die earlier, and also due to WW2, there are a lot more old babushkas than dedushkas. But, OTOH, women taking more jobs tends to turn men into listless drunk layabouts, making it seem that there are more available women, because listless drunk layabouts don’t really count as “men” in their minds. That happened in the Eastern Bloc, but it’s rapidly becoming the case here too.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:24 pm DirkJohanson

      Women always say there’s a bad ratio of women to men. There never is.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm corvinus

        They define “men” as “alphas” — which means they’re right.

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      • on July 14, 2013 at 7:27 am Caramba

        Brilliant.Could not be said better

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 1:44 am Wanker

      The other thing your friend should have mentioned is that the old Soviet Union Russified the Ukraine — half of Ukrainians speak Russian. The place looks Russian, especially the urban areas. If Vladimir was to send armored units over the border tomorrow, half of the Ukraine would be out cheering.

      And, The Crimea is about the most Russified part of the Ukraine. Russia still occupies a port there and stations troops on Ukrainian soil.

      So, this idea of “go to the Ukraine, meet cool Ukrainian women” might be true for the rural areas but in a lot of the normal areas that visitors and tourists would go, you’re more than likely to meet a Russian girl.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:42 pm corvinus

        Yeah… the effect of being in Kiev would be like if you were to go to Lisbon, and see Portuguese on all the signs around you, but hear everybody speak Spanish.

        Although, if one likes blondes, Russians are probably a better bet than Ukrainians anyway.

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  4. on July 11, 2013 at 8:30 am embracingourfemininity

    But often times the big cities change the women so much… Big cities westernize and harden the women . The kindest, most feminine humble women I know are ones you find in the villages and the rural parts of european countries.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 8:32 am ar10308

      You are posting some very good intel. Anything else?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:54 am embracingourfemininity

        There is so much I could say about European women. In my job as a beautician I had customers from many different European countries and I have interacted with women from all social classes, backrounds etc. Women speak very freely around other women, and working around only women is an eye-opening experience to say the least.
        I often see that American men and British men are considering finding a wife from Ukraine, or one of the other poorer European countries, because these women have a reputation as being so feminine, and humble, and good wives and mothers. It is often the case, but men often need to be extremely cautious. Quite a few men I know (who it seemed they were going to be eternal bachelors), decided to marry a woman from one of these countries in their mid 40’s to even 60’s. It often didn’t end well. Bring a woman out of poverty and give her everything and she will want more, more, more. This is a woman’s nature. She will forget where she came from. There simply has to be limits, a man has to be strong. Some of these women can make a man lose his head, because he may think she has had close to zero exposure to westernization, therefore she is not money-hungry or possessing any of the less desirable traits of women. She is just as capable of running off with your money after a divorce as is any American or British woman. Be cautious, and don’t white-wash any kind of woman regardless of her nationality, women are women.

        Many of the women who advertise themselves on dating or marriage sites are looking for a wealthy foreign man. I say be careful of this kind. My friend is a good woman who wants to marry, she needs to marry, she has no children and she is not getting younger. I suggested to her to join a Christian dating site. She told me no. She will not do it, as she doesn’t know what kind of men she will come across, and if it is safe. She doesn’t even have internet, but I offered for her to use mine. Her life is simple, she works in the fields by day picking fruits for a terrible salary, yet she is more of a lady than most women I know. These are the kind of women who make good wives and mothers, and to find that a man needs to be prepared to travel and explore, not to be trusting that the women on dating sites are who they say they are. Cities in even the poorer countries of Western Europe now are full of Career-minded women. I know another Ukrainian woman from the capital city Kiev, and she is the absolute polar opposite of my friend, she is a lawyer, has no faith in God, and had sperm donation or whatever you call it, to conceive a child who she now raises alone. She dates men only to pay for her expensive shoes. It’s a pity.

        But there is hope..just be careful with your money, and be willing to travel to some of the rural parts.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:14 am ar10308

        Good points. I would certainly venture into the more rural areas when going for a wife and would avoid the international dating websites because those women are only there for one reason.

        I have a friend who is a few years older than me (37) who was engaged to a Ukrainian girl for a bit then he got her pregnant. They never married and he’s had to go through the family courts and deal with her crazy in order to get time with his daughter.
        Personally, I would steer more towards Polish women since I’ve heard they don’t have quite the crazy streak that Ukraines do.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:21 am embracingourfemininity

        I know of a similar story with a man going through a terrible time with the family courts right now trying to get access to his 2 daughters. The wife is Russian. She’s fled with the children and gone off to Italy and he hasn’t seen the babies for 1 year. It’s horrible.
        Other men, especially here think they can change the European women who they see as a “damsel in distress” and go finding a wife in the strip clubs. 99.9999999% of these women never change. There is a greek song called “Poutana stin Psixi” translating to “Wh*re in the soul* which portrays excellently this exact type of story, which is all too common. The man goes on to sing he thought he could change and save the woman, but finally he understands that she is a “wh*re in her soul”. He refers to her as worse than the 10 plagues. I say this is relevant because an overwhelming number of women from these countries come here to work as prostitutes, apparently some are forced. Others like it. But the men need to know they cannot try to change these women. Women are opportunistic, they need a man to be strong and to lead them, if allowed to manipulate and take advantage many will, Not all women are so bad obviously, I just feel like everybody idealizes the women of other countries and portrays westernized women as the worst o f the worst. It is feminism that makes these women, do we really think that feminism hasn’t also touched these women in the cities in less-developed countries. It has, and if it touched them to the extent that it has American women, they would be one and the same.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:32 am Truth Giver

        Correct. The soul of a woman was created below.

        -Jesus
        -Yahweh
        -Lez Zeppelin
        -Heartizizstzie
        -Da GBFM

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:05 pm corvinus

        Eastern European women seemingly don’t have as much experience with dealing with cloying betas, and so when one comes from the West and marries them, they expect them to behave more alpha, like an older Eastern man would act, but instead their cloying betaness turns them off.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:24 pm embracingourfemininity

        I don’t know how eastern-European men are. I have heard Russian men are quite alpha..
        Greek men/ Cypriot men for the most part are masculine and tend to behave like Alpha’s in their approach to women. It’s not unusual to see an old man completely undeterred by however beautiful a young woman may be and approach her, unafraid of rejection. The younger generation of men are changing, and don’t approach young women as much…they are more shy. But wow, the older men… they don’t mind.

        [CH: Really old Greek men are probably thinking “fuck it, I’m gonna die soon, may as well reach for the brass orifice on the way out.”]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:35 pm Glengarry

        Don’t look for love in the brothel.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm embracingourfemininity

        Many men do, then the good girls stay alone.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:36 am chi-town

        I do not see anything particularly alpha from Russian men. They are typically more reticent, not even to emotional outbursts. My observation is that they do not descend to a base level of beta behavior that Western men are capable of doing but they are not particularly alpha either. Them guys were shot by the NKVD.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:00 pm Jochen Peiper

        Sumy, Poltava, Odessa, Chernigiv, Cherkassy, Rostov Na Donu, are all good spots. The big thing is to have your shit together. Dress for success- wear business attire when you go out and women will flock to you. Poles are stubborn and hard headed compared to Ukrainians.

        [CH: Polish women are among the most charmingly and perhaps naively romantic of all the world’s women.]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm corvinus

        [CH: Polish women are among the most charmingly and perhaps naively romantic of all the world’s women.]

        Probably because most are Catholic or at least have that kind of upbringing. Those in Ukraine are a bit more cynical.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:15 pm Jochen Peiper

        Maybe in the US, but not over there. I won’t ever look anywhere else again for a woman. I have become too fond of Ukraine and its history and culture for one. Besides, they put up 6 police divisions and 2 Panzergrenadier divisions for the cause. What’s not to like?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:00 pm Wrecked 'Em

        [CH: Polish women are among the most charmingly and perhaps naively romantic of all the world’s women.]

        Whomever said that “God doesn’t put big tits on tall skinny girls” has obviously never been to Poland.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 11:54 am OralCummings

        Maybe thats why Hitler as so hot to get to Poland? “I vill haff all ze Polish poozy I vant! Let zem get a hold of ziss zeppelin in mine pants!!”

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:54 am Matthew King

        Ingenue starlet of the manosphere. Excellent stuff. Moar.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:21 am embracingourfemininity

        Thank you Matthew King.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:23 pm alexandrahamilton87

        Whomever said that “God doesn’t put big tits on tall skinny girls” has obviously never been to Poland.
        —-——

        This. If I had a dollar for every woman (it’s always women) who asked me if my breasts were fake I could start a small band-big cup bra business. And I’m not even very skinny. I’m just not fat.

        [CH: Thank you lord for these thy gifts, and bless thee lord for my great tits.]

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:15 am Matthew King

        I so dig this chick. Pops her torso up on any occasion to brag about her bigg’n naturals.

        But obviously that photo is shopped. We need to see one nuder and from a different angle, just to be sure. And at age 26, we have to look for telltale signs of visits from the sag fairy. So, braless would be ideal.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:18 am Matthew King

        [CH: Thank you lord for these thy gifts, and bless thee lord for my great tits.]

        You could have worked in the money-line of that prayer, “Which we are about to receive from thy bounty…”

        B+ for effort. D for missed poetical opportunity.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:31 pm alexandrahamilton87

        Lies! I also pop up to yell at people who don’t love America.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 3:04 am Marie

        Rural? If you want rural there are plenty of hill billies in the US

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 8:38 am cryo

      Agreed, big city sluts are good for sowing wild oats but I wouldn’t want to settle down with one. I’ve seen a lot of guys fall into the “this one is different” trap, and so began their downward spiral.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:13 am Matthew King

        Nail on the head.

        This isn’t a national border thing. It is the city-country divide.

        Quick, when I say “urban,” what do you think of? We have given our metropolises over to the animals, gentrifying hipster-homo enclaves and cuckolded SWPL utopians notwithstanding. The future of every American city is Detroit, unless the majority-minorities somehow figure out how to find and elect their own Giulianis, which they won’t.

        The thronging savage horde must rub against each other for warmth, they cannot survive in the countryside. White flight and they are left to their own devices. Left to their own devices = Rwanda, or self-genocide. (They are already aborting themselves out of existence.)

        They own the underclass population centers. We own everything else, which, not insignificantly, includes the resources which make their high-density living possible. Yes, we are diffuse compared to their concentrated propinquity, but by the grace of God we have a tradition of rugged individualism and self-sustaining independence — if we remember who we are. You can’t drop a bomb on a decentralized power; you can’t take out one node and stop the internet. It will be a short conflict.

        Remember who you are. We are made for high altitudes, rarefied air, the icy climes. Not sea-level fishports where naked brown flesh swarms all over itself like roaches devouring what’s left of the corpse of civilization.

        Remember who you are. And who you are not.

        Matt

        Lo! I show you THE LAST MAN.

        “What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?”–so asks the last man and blinks.

        The earth has then become small, and on it there hops the last man who makes everything small. His species is ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man lives longest.

        “We have discovered happiness”–say the last men, and blink thereby.

        They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loves one’s neighbor and rubs against him; for one needs warmth.

        Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbles over stones or men!

        A little poison now and then: that makes pleasant dreams. And much poison at last for a pleasant death.

        One still works, for work is a pastime. But one is careful lest the pastime should hurt one.

        One no longer becomes poor or rich; both are too burdensome. Who still wants to rule? Who still wants to obey? Both are too burdensome.

        No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wants the same; every one is equal: he who hath other sentiments goes voluntarily into the madhouse.

        “Formerly all the world was insane,”–say the subtlest of them, and blink thereby.

        They are clever and know all that hath happened: so there is no end to their raillery. People still fall out, but are soon reconciled–otherwise it spoils their stomachs.

        They have their little pleasures for the day, and their little pleasures for the night, but they have a regard for health.

        “We have discovered happiness,”–say the last men, and blink thereby.–

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:07 pm Stilicho

        Start quoting Nietzsche’s aphorisms on Christianity and religion, please.

        Until then, leave the “high altitudes and rarified air” prattle for Nietzsche himself, and stop trying to palm off his ideas as your own.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:10 pm Matthew

        We have license to make all things new.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:34 am Matthew King

        Do you know what block quotes signify, illiterate? And you want me to introduce a complex topic like Nietzsche’s relationship with Christianity? You already prejudiced it in your smug, amateur, never-read assumption that he is an atheist in the manner of your single-dimensional dullardry.

        “Every one who is of the truth hears my voice” (John 18:37). Now there is a concept dumbed-down enough for you to meditate on.

        Matt

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:46 am embracingourfemininity

        Matthew King, if you don’t mind me asking, what denomination of Christianity are you? I am Orthodox.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:11 am Matthew King

        Small-O orthodox Catholic. We could totally hang. We have apostolic succession and filoque differences, nothing that really pertains to the everyday individual experience (like boring Protestant hatred does). Christ is Lord covers 95% of it. The traditionalism of orthodoxy covers another 4%. You’ve got all seven sacraments, no?

        But you’d still have to convert.

        Would you like to be one of my wives?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:22 am embracingourfemininity

        What do you mean.. one of your wives? How many wives will you have? I don’t know anything about small o orthodox catholics. I never heard of this?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:12 pm OralCummings

        is Nietzsche the guy who played for the Packers?Ray Nietzsche?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:14 pm Nietzsche

        Cold climate is for the birds. There is nothing left for Man to explore but the ocean depths and for this, the Gods have sent us James Cameron.

        You can keep your frozen tundra where no fruit grows. I’ll be with the hot naked tan sluts, lined up on their knees, awaiting the burying of my cock deep within their wet holes.

        -Friedrich Nietzsche
        Thus Spoke Zarathustra

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:17 am The Creeper

        Here is our world today and this family was not wrong. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/justice/florida-rape-case/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 THe sad truth is that criminals use women all the time as decoy like this. In today’s world one cannot even answer the door if it’s a stranger.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:21 am Matthew King

        Yes, even Zarathustra descended. But the choking troposphere was not his home, he came down to bring cool relief into the stuffy climes (Chillax.):

        When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and the lake of his home, and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and solitude, and for ten years did not weary of it. But at last his heart changed …

        Lo! I am weary of my wisdom, like the bee that hath gathered too much honey; I need hands outstretched to take it.

        I would fain bestow and distribute, until the wise have once more become joyous in their folly, and the poor happy in their riches.

        Therefore must I descend into the deep. …

        Like thee must I GO DOWN, as men say, to whom I shall descend. …

        Bless the cup that is about to overflow, that the water may flow golden out of it, and carry everywhere the reflection of thy bliss!

        Lo! This cup is again going to empty itself, and Zarathustra is again going to be a man.

        Thus began Zarathustra’s down-going.

        Cf. the opening line of The Republic. “I went down to the Piraeus yesterday…”

        You’re not doing the worst job of impersonating Fred. Not the best job either.

        Matt

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:20 pm OralCummings

        what does this have to do with Polish girls’ tits,may I ask?

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  5. on July 11, 2013 at 8:43 am Us

    :butthexed the data : zlozlzozlzlozz

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  6. on July 11, 2013 at 9:01 am Georgia Boy

    I’m not much of a world traveler and am not looking for a new partner, but my thought is if I was, look for countries that have decent looking women and still relatively high birth rates, that being the best measure of havin avoided at least some of the creeping poz. In the 3 to 4 TFR range you have the phillipines and several latin american countries, not so bad if you know Spanish. The top 50 TFR are a bunch of hopeless hellholes though, it is not to look there.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:10 am John H

      This just isn’t logical. You can plan all these things and then get one bad apple and it’s all for not. I’d just focus on the girl, regardless on whether she’s from a country with “high birth rates” because it’s “the best measure.”

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:58 am Ronson

      Mating with filipinos and mestizos is dysgenic for IQ though. You’ll have descendants, but they’ll be brown and stupid.

      Mating with Ukranians is dysgenic for IQ but only slightly.

      There seem to be only two reasonable options, assuming you want kids. Either you go Eastern European or you give up on white people, marry a Chinese girl and side with the future Eurasian master race.

      It’s a tough call. Unfortunately for Anglos even if you go with an Eastern European, your children will still be significantly alien to you in terms of mental characteristics, just not as alien as they would be if you went Chinese.

      But maybe they’ll be better suited for their grim future.High trust and altruism genes are maladaptive. Profiting from corruption genes? Those are adaptive.

      It’s just unfortunate that there is no easy way to get your kids some clannishness genes without taking a whole lot of other genetic baggage along with them.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:41 am Thrall.

        “Mating with filipinos and mestizos is dysgenic for IQ though. You’ll have descendants, but they’ll be brown and stupid.”

        That is true. In fact majority of white men in the Philippines are slumming it, really bad. Former bar girls and Pay for Play. What the hell. Only a few hit it with the middle and upper class Chinese.

        In fact even the founder of Happier Abroad expressed some regret (he’s Chinese American btw).

        There’s also the prevailing belief that Filipinos are the n i g g e r s of Asia and are lowest on the asian totem pole. That they’re even considered in this and other White Nationalist blogs is ridiculous.

        I used to follow this blog for Game Theory and other masculinity tips, but I’m really loving the discussion of white interests here, even though I’m an Orc.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:47 am Thrall

        I would like to add that Filipino genes are extremely dominant. Most whiteness was easily diluted in most of my encounters.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm late late late bloomer

        the thing that draws me to the filipinas in general is the possibility of an actual ass, and more importantly, the catholicism. thailand’s underlying religion and culture was just disgusting to me, those dudes would sell a ten year old son into gay for pay in order to stay home and smoke.

        anyway not disagreeing with your point just saying why i think some people lean toward filipinas– easy language and common religious foundation so you can at least feel like you’re on the same planet.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:19 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        I did business in the Philippines. Their Chinese are not very sharp. Yeah, they look hot compared to a Malay. Well, that’s not much of a challenge. The Filipino-Chinese have been there longer than whites have been in North America. It’s not only whites who “go native”.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:44 pm Pete

        “There’s also the prevailing belief that Filipinos are the n i g g e r s of Asia and are lowest on the asian totem pole.”

        I always heard that the Chinese considered the South Vietnamese to be this.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm Jochen Peiper

        Ukrainians have very high IQs. All of Eastern Europe has high IQs on average and their education system is/was superior to ours.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:18 pm Subway Masturbator

        Ukrainians are as dumb as a box of rocks. All the great literature and composers came from Russia. Ukraine was horribly traumatized and massive negative selection went on in their failed attempt to escape Russian domination after the Bolshevik revolution, in the artificial famine caused by Stalin, and in WW2 when many/most of the smarter ( ~Jewish) population was murdered.

        You have the extremely good looking, full-on witless women left. You will search in vain for a face behind which an interesting thought has passed.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:32 pm OralCummings

        “many/most of the smarter (Jewish )pop…murdered,” S.M. nobody is going to Ukraine to look for jewish broads,LOL,you dumbfuck!

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      • on July 14, 2013 at 6:10 am KissMyGoyAss

        You are a moron. The 3 million who died in Ukraine’s holocaust were WHITE. They were starved by the Jewish run USSR. They are not part of the “6 million” Hitler killed. They were the same race as the 40 million whites who died in Russia. Ukrainian average IQ is over 100.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm Matthew

        Just avoid any with Mongol hints in their cheekbones or eyes.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 6:21 am Judah Ben Hur

        There aren’t very many who look like that. Ukrainians are mostly very white. Mongols are worthy of respect too. Their military machine was the finest in its day and very sophisticated. They also had good values in many resepcts. They just got up and left China after about 200 years because they felt alienated, corrupted and too distant from their values in sumptuous China. They returned to living in yurts and herding animals.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm Matthew

        Respect doesn’t require miscegenation.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:16 pm corvinus

        Mating with filipinos and mestizos is dysgenic for IQ though. You’ll have descendants, but they’ll be brown and stupid.

        The Filipino economy has been doing much better recently. I wonder if decades of American men squirting their genes into the Filipino gene pool is to account for any of it.

        Mating with Ukranians is dysgenic for IQ but only slightly.

        I don’t think Ukrainian IQ is really any lower than the European average — living under Communism really fucked them up badly, but I don’t think it affected IQ levels too much.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:53 pm Aestian

        EE IQs are good, as well as other genetic characteristics. Math and geography knowledge is good, good grasp of exact sciences in the general public used to be one of the few good things about the communist system (gone already for a generation, the main problems are political instability and alcoholism (which Putin is finally tackling)).

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 6:22 am Judah Ben Hur

        This.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm Sp5

        I don’t understand this “mating with filipinas and mestizas is dysgenic for IQ” argument. You’re not mating with all of them, or some mean group of them.

        You’re mating with the ones you want to mate with. You can find Filipinas with high IQ not too difficultly if you tailor your search. I’ve met some pretty smart girls in the PI, with great English vocabulary and higher abstract thinking ability.

        You can find them online, by hanging around the best unis, gallery openings and embassy parties, etc.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 7:45 am JayMan

        Regression to the mean is not so much based on the population average; it’s based on the family average. If you know the IQs of the parents and grandparents, you are good to go.

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  7. on July 11, 2013 at 9:01 am John H

    I never understood the idea that X is a better place than Y to live for getting girls. Same with universities; people will say stuff like: “the University of Texas is the BEST!!!!.” I just don’t get it. There has not been a place I’ve gone, outside of very small towns, where you couldn’t find decent girls, and even there it wasn’t impossible. So for a solo guy it really makes no difference where you live. If you’re talking about mass populations of males, then it would be imperative to relocate, but for one person to move to a different place because the women are “better” doesn’t make any sense to me.

    [CH: Lemme put this in rhetorical language everyone can understand: Do you, or do you not, believe that Ukraine has better women than aboriginal Australia?]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:20 am John H

      Now you’re comparing people who live in huts to people from a modern culture. Re-read my point, which is that for one guy – and that’s all any man is – it makes no difference where you live as long as the population isn’t extremely low. I lived in both NJ and Eastern Europe, and you can find decent girls in both places. In fact, you can find sweet Ukrainian girls in Jersey.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:31 pm late late late bloomer

        i think he’s just pointing out that it’s a continuum of bad to good. you said ‘it really makes no difference’, and it’s important to note that in fact it really can make a difference where you live. otherwise i doubt there’s a disagreement when it comes to a lone male.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm Matthew

        Reductio ad absurdum whoosh.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:30 am Will Powers

      To an extent I agree with you, and it’s important to realize “love” can be found in the most unusual circumstances…but there are obvious numbers games that would make more sense. If you go to a sausage fest bar where the only females are the bartenders and some dykes, it’s safe to assume that your chances of banging that night are much slimmer than if you go to a bar notorious for allowing underage drinking in a college town where the school has a 60/40 ratio of girls to guys…thanks ironically of course to feminist affirmative action. Same with finding a woman who has a decent psychological makeup. Where do you think you’ll find less feminist women? DC, New York, and Seattle? Or Roanoke, Huntsville, and Valdosta?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:51 am John H

        My experiences just don’t align with these stereotypes because as I said earlier, I’ve been able to find nice girls basically everywhere. Personally I find the whole southern belle thing obnoxious, but I wouldn’t not move to the area because of it. I’ve met very nice girls who didn’t act like the stereotype of places, and because of this I bet Roanoke, Huntsville, and Valdosta has some girls I’d really like. Likewise, I’ve met nice girls in both New York and Washington, DC (never been to Seattle). Again, I’m talking about ME. If it was me and 20 friends that I was trying to make sure all found girls, then I’d have to play the odds more. But for one guy I don’t think it’s necessary. Then again, I suppose this is all dependent on the particular guy. If it’s someone who isn’t physically appealing, then playing the numbers game would probably help.

        In general, I think it is an awful idea to move some place because of the women. It’s just setting expectations that will lead to disappointment.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:06 am Jochen Peiper

        I live in Huntsville and love it here but that’s because I’m a good ol’
        rebel and love Alabama. It’s nice for raising a family and being married but sucks if you’re single.

        A great AW is at best a mediocre Ukrainian woman. There is no comparison in my opinion and I’m a man who only deals with foreign women. Ukrainian women outclass them all IMHO. Our women are also about 2 points lower on average than Ukrainian women. Fat women don’t even exist there. A short walk down the Krishatek will have you spotting about 15-20 hard 10s and ten times that many hard 8s and 9s. Its like a super model convention there, every day. Moreover, an 8 or a 9 will usually not have that attitude as they don’t realize how beautiful they truly are as there is so much competition. A 7 there is a 9 here and vice versa. I’d never go back to AW. They need the competition and to be ignored as the dross they have become for a generation or two to correct things.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:33 pm late late late bloomer

        maybe that’s where the pressure for mexican amnesty is coming from, somebody’s going to have to lay these hobbling sows up here

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:47 am Matthew King

      Right. Have to avoid the “grass is greener syndrome.”

      The United States is unique. History is shaped by blood and war, politics and great men, but only in my country was an idea allowed to be a part of its formation. And by incubating this idea, it has gone viral across the world.

      In other words, this is the self-made nation. We are what we make ourselves to be. Now, lefty faggots have seized the yoke stick of late, but that is a simple correction, if not necessarily easy. Going anywhere else in the world, you become a part of the existing culture. Here we have a chance to reshape our own culture through force of will. That capacity is written into our national DNA, explicit in our very charter. The left has done this very thing, reshaped our culture, over the last half-century. There is no reason why it can’t be shaped back.

      If men are so self-centered that they can’t think beyond their five-inch dicks, then get the fuck out and good riddance. You are not American in your blood. There is enough cream at the top that the fatties and NAMs can have no relevance in the white man’s life, as soon as we regain the collective will to declare it so. And if we do not regain that critical mass in our lifetimes, the individual will can carve out a comfortable niche while the war of the underclass exhausts itself — all while laying the groundwork for our sons to retake their birthright.

      I can see that, if you are an average male (who is determined to stay average), the United States has become something of a bum deal (albeit mostly in his whiny little head). But if you are a self-starter, this is the only place where one might “bestride the narrow world / Like a Colossus.” We have no floor, we can fall straight into the abyss, yes. We have no ceiling either. Men of power are not afraid to enter an environment of the extremes.

      Perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised how little most game-on-the-brain boys have failed to read between the lines of the pioneer of this escapist/self-centered way of thinking: Roosh V. His ennui is palpable. He has seen what that way of life yields, and he is not satisfied. He has matured. He is your elder statesman, read him more closely. He is slowly coming around to the idea that you can’t escape your problems by running or simply changing circumstances. A man eventually has to stand his ground, where he is, and fight.

      You don’t like the sneering obese entitlement of American women? I’m sorry — does the world owe you hot tight young chicks on a platter? If you don’t like your options, do what enterprising men have done from the beginning of time: make better options for yourself.

      Fortune is a woman, and if you wish to keep her under it is necessary to beat and ill-use her; and it is seen that she allows herself to be mastered by the adventurous rather than by those who go to work more coldly.

      — Machiavelli, The Prince XXV, titled, “What Fortune Can Effect In Human Affairs, And How To Withstand Her“

      Nowhere does Il Maestro recommend the “impetuous young man” flee like a bitch.

      The “ideal destination for” the impetuous man is right where he stands, and let the world adjust around him.

      Matt

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:52 am Arsene

        You are batshit crazy, but largely correct.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:01 am Uncle Elmer

        It concerns me that someone, somewhere would reveal the truth about my 5 inch dick based on my penchant for hot tight young chicks.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:23 am Matthew King

        It’s not the length, it’s not the size, it’s how many times you can make it rise. It’s not the size of the boat, it’s the motion of the ocean. It’s … It’s … It’s …

        BSD. Feelsgoodman.

        America has the biggest cock in the world, by far, and bar none. But we tuck it in and mince around like trannies. Down is up.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:57 am CH

        It’s not the angle of the dangle, it’s the friction of the piston.
        It’s not the girth of the wurst, it’s the feats of the meat.
        It’s not the expanse of the lance, it’s the prick of the stick.
        It’s not the turn of the wurm, it’s the hustle of the love muscle.
        It’s not the panorama of the banana, it’s the hobbling of the knobgoblin.
        It’s not the deflection of the erection, it’s the pump action of the cock kraken.
        It’s not the trunk of the junk, it’s the spunk of the funk.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:53 pm Subway Masturbator

        I’d trust even an nut like Matt or the recently reformed Dregs E. to fix my car before a Ukrainian, and I ilved there for a year. It is very hard to describe the background knowledge and respect for science that’s embedded in the US working class.

        It’s subtle, but there’s an assumption here that if you do something right, shit will work right– if you send the engine block to get bored out, they will do it right for the most part– in a place like Ukraine, it’s assumed theres an oligarch or (formerly) a Party official, or SOMEONE OR SOMETHING that will fuck things up and steal your car parts. That “bad faith” in the world undermines motivation in a widespread and especialliy pernicious and hard-to-change way, I would say centuries.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:22 pm cryo

        Epic post. It’ll fall on mostly deaf ears, regrettably.

        All this “Back to Europe” bullshit is laughable. Sure, go ahead and crush poosy in Europe if that’s your calling. But don’t sit there and try to tell me that Europe is somehow a more desirable place to live.

        I fear for America, I really do. Bad demographics, bad politics, bad economics. But its still my country and I am a man, therefore I stay and fight.

        And great point about Roosh, you can track his disillusionment with the ex-pat lifestyle with each new post (no disrespect meant to Roosh).

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 6:03 pm Nietzsche

        Fuck Roosh he’s a faggot who blocks people who tell him how shitty, worthless and most likely fake 80% of the articles are that he let’s the shitty writers on ReturnOfKings publish.

        -Friedrich Nietzsche
        Twilight of the Idols, 1888

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm Dan Fletcher

        “of the articles are that he let’s the shitty writers on ReturnOfKings publish”

        No kidding. The vast majority of articles on their are complete junk in every way. Bad mechanics, bad flow, forced topics, etc… Just shit writing.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:09 pm Dan Fletcher

        Could not agree more. These posts inspire a religious-like fervor in me.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm Randall Parker (@futurepundit)

        Matthew, This is just crazy:

        Now, lefty faggots have seized the yoke stick of late, but that is a simple correction, if not necessarily easy.

        The Republicans are demographic road kill. Understand what that means. There’s going to be no cavalry coming over the hill, no big reawakening, no salvation. The Titanic has already hit the iceberg.

        An idea in America’s creation was key? Wrong. The idea nation is a delusion propagated by those who believe in the proposition nation. So what was key? The culture, the morals, the virtues, and innate abilities of those people. To know how much of that we’ve lost read Coming Apart by Charles Murray. All the King’s Horses and all the King’s Men can’t put America back together again.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:33 am Matthew King

        Stinkinthinkin. You’re Hudson in Aliens.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 11:08 am chi-town

        The immediate environs are always subject to respect one’s imperial ensigns with the most essential in the retinue being a profound ass of ambassadorial rank.

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  8. on July 11, 2013 at 9:13 am gangrene

    having recently been to odessa, i can’t recommend it enough. big tits, big tits everywhere!

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  9. on July 11, 2013 at 9:19 am Amanjaw Marcuntte

    Visual evidence.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 12:34 am Mark Slater

      Very nice. Also, not one visible tat on any of them.

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  10. on July 11, 2013 at 9:31 am Jensen

    Gentlemen:

    Please keep in mind that women are herd creatures. As a young man I plucked a beautiful, thin, affectionate, virgin dream girl from the hills of Bavaria, who did nothing but giggle, fuck, cook and cuddle.

    A few years in New York surrounded by her posse of ugly ding dong American girlfriends and surprise, surprise: dissatisfaction, hell, divorce-rape, child snatching.

    Teach your sons and all young men:

    No marriage, no exceptions
    No cohabitation
    No joint property.

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  11. on July 11, 2013 at 9:33 am Arsene

    Maybe you should get in your time machine and go back to 1950s america or Ancient Greece (with actual greeks ugh)?

    This generation of American men are effete whiners. Lost in fanasy. You think it’s brown people you fear/hate, when.actually It’s poor people. Ukraine is full of poor people. 6 months there (it’s chronically corrupt) woukld be a good reality check for you — it might even make you apreciate the US a little..Have you ever had to bribe people on a regular basis? You won’t like it.
    Maybe you will enjoy being a cashcow to every desperate, goodlooking women whose only dream is of escape.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:49 am Uncle Elmer

      Feminist sure love “the 1950s”.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:52 am Jochen Peiper

      You sound like a feminist who got dumped for a Ukrainian girl. I’d rather pay bribes than deal with bossy civil servants who still don’t get anything done for you. Bribes are cheap and effective.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:56 am Greg Eliot

      ….Ancient Greece (with actual greeks ugh)?

      Those actual Ancient Greeks looked more like today’s Ukrainians.

      You fairy.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:11 pm corvinus

        The dirty little secret about the decline of Greco-Roman civilization is that they imported lower-IQ people from the Middle East by the bucketload. Kinda like what we’re doing with Latin Americans.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm Jochen Peiper

        The lower IQ people invaded in the 8th through 11th centuries and took over for good in 1453.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:15 pm Matthew

        Lower IQ, lower albedo.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:38 pm OralCummings

        lower albedo,higher LIbido…

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:37 pm embracingourfemininity

        Cornivus do you mean Greeks are part arab? I don’t have a drop of arab blood in me. There are blonde haired blue eyed greeks too.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:16 pm Stilicho

        Hey CH — start charging Greg $1 for every time he uses the phrase “you fairy.”

        You won’t need to ask for donations any more.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:36 pm Truth is Beauty

        You covetous nymph.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:06 am Greg Eliot

        You fiat bucks fairy.

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  12. on July 11, 2013 at 9:33 am Andrius

    Life plan for an average American guy:

    1. finish school
    2. get into college (optional)
    3. get an average job
    4. save every penny you can while investing it in real estate, shares, bonds and etc.
    5. retire when you are 40
    6. move to Ukraine (or other Eastern European country)
    7. live like a king
    8. die

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:48 am Arsene

      I seriously hope you do not stay invested in stocks and bonds. Those games are dead my good friend.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm Customer Service

        Gold then? Like actual bullion in the vault type gold?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:16 pm Matthew

        Any heavy metal you can get your hands on.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm asianlover

        fool. How many millionaires do you deal with on an everyday basis. probably none in your redneck town.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:31 pm Ronin

      Or you could ignore Arse-end’s idiotic advice on finance and just read these:

      http://www.amazon.com/The-Intelligent-Investor-Definitive-Investing/dp/0060555661/

      http://www.amazon.com/One-Up-On-Wall-Street/dp/0743200403/

      http://www.amazon.com/Security-Analysis-Leatherbound-Benjamin-Graham/dp/0071623574/

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm Nietzsche

      Those days are long gone.

      1. Fuck school
      2. Educate yourself in everything that makes a man a man because you sure as fucking shit learned nothing in school. You should be able to build your own fucking house and defend it and grow your own food. Modern life is a farce.
      3. Try to get a job where you’re making the most while doing the least
      4. Save every penny and buy gold, silver, GUNS, AMMO
      5. Pray you have some place to go where you can live freely in a first world nation.
      6. Pray they aren’t watching you..

      Real estate, shares bonds…wake the fuck up already.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:57 pm Polymath

        Exactly right, those days are gone, Ronin is foolish to think the markets will hold together for any predictable amount of time.

        http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjuly13/Fed-JeffW7-13.html

        Your eyes glaze over when anyone talks about the Federal Reserve? That’s because they WANT you to be bored and befuddled. This article explains what everybody should know, for people who don’t speak lzzlozlzlozl

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:55 am Subway Masturbator

        Shows how you fall for the current fads. People were renting out land for raising crops in Egypt 4000 years ago, ever since, and they’ll be renting out property for the distant future to come.

        You’re just a garden variety paranoid, there’s always people howlying “The end is near.”

        Do you have ANY respectable qualifications, like a graduate degree in econ, ANYTHING, ANYTHING besides the magazine articles you read while drinking moonshine and doing your sister?

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  13. on July 11, 2013 at 9:38 am MMA

    A friend of mine worked construction. One of his first bosses would go get a foreign girl, marry her, bring her back to the states, live with her for about 5-7 years, divorce her, give her a parting gift of about $50k and US Citizenship, and then repeat the process.

    He reasoned that he replaced his car about every 5-7 years, why not his wife.

    Frankly, I’m not seeing a downside to that plan.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:51 am Uncle Elmer

      Feminists have quashed that option by getting the government to only allow a lifetime maximum of 2 fiance visas.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:50 am Anonymous

        You can ask for a waiver for lifetime K-1s and I’ve never heard of anyone who get denied. Also you can marry abroad and get the wife a K-3.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:02 am Greg Eliot

        A man should always marry a broad.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:49 am Ben

        Haha.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm Uncle Elmer

        Words from abroad : “Howdy Sailor, new in town?”

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 6:03 pm Aestian

        K1 is a pain btw – time consuming and a bit too expensive (especially for an EE woman). But probably pays off in the long run. There must be options to do it in Europe.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:58 pm Pete

        You need to use a pro. Take a look at k-visas.com or others like them to get through the bureaucratic crap.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 5:49 am Gracian

      Kind of interesting actually.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 7:11 am Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

      aka, Trade on your citizenship before your government does.

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  14. on July 11, 2013 at 9:46 am Sidewinder

    Interesting that you advocate whites returning to their ancestral homeland. Southeastern Ukraine is a likely point of origin for Y-Haplogroup R1a1 and R1b (the common ancestor of white males), from approximately 30,000 years ago.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:26 am Matthew King

      Go already.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 5:29 pm suppressedtruthsociety

      The common ancestor of white MALES? Here’s to hoping that’s a slipup…

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:04 pm Anonymous age 71

        No, not a slip-up. y-marker testing tells where you male ancestry came from. Female ancestry is different Most of us whites are like he said, R1a1 or R1b and they came from that part of the world, more or less.

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  15. on July 11, 2013 at 9:49 am Jochen Peiper

    I’ve been married to a Ukrainian woman now for nearly 7 years. It was the best thing I have ever done. She is beautiful, sweet, kind, loving, and affectionate. She’s also highly educated and intelligent. Our marriage has improved during this time, not deteriorated. I can honestly say, she puts as much work into the marriage as I do. In short, she is the best wife I could hope to imagine for me. She is meticulous about her weight and reminds me to come get my morning head before going to work. Ukraine is being run by a cleptocracy, but it still functions pretty well. Food is very good there, as is the beer. Ukrainians are sensible, pragmatic people as well- like people from small town midwest. It is one of three bug out locations I have set up for myself. Winters are cold, about -15-20′ celsius is the averge temperature there. During the war, it got down to below 50′ minus, but that was exceptionally cold. That’s a downside, but not a major one. Kiev is beautiful after a new snow fall.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:12 pm corvinus

      Are you living in Ukraine? Lots of guys say that living there is far better than bringing her back to the West.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:40 pm Libertardian

        I’ve heard plenty of stories of foreign brides who were brought to Amerika and subsequently infected by feminazism. Might as well go wading in the sewer and hope not to get dirty.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:19 pm Matthew

        What the hell is the point of fishing in an untainted pond if you’re just going to drop your catch in the cesspool you left?

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 2:07 pm Jochen Peiper

      I own a flat in Kiev. I think you will have fewer problems staying there than if you bring her back, but it’s not critical. I live in the US, in Huntsville, Alabama to be exact. I have hand in my marriage and my wife thinks I’m wonderful judging from how she treats me. But we also talk about this a lot and she participates in a Russian Fiancee and Wives forum regularly. The vast majority of these US/EE marriages are successful because you’re dealing with sensible and mature women who know what a shit deal really looks like. Its the spectacular failures that you hear about. The women on that forum are pretty hard on AW style entitlement attitudes from EE women too. I see that as positive and an indicator that most of them have their heads on straight. A small amount of Americanization is inevitable, but with someone whose personality is developed and has their shit together, you won’t have trouble bringing them back. I’ve read your posts enough to think you would do well there because you’re realistic and understand women. There are still dark aspects to womens’ nature over there too, but they aren’t as pronounced or as celebrated and the women also value a good marriage. Eat, Pray, Love is not something they take seriously. If you have a moderate amount of relationship game, you will do well. Don’t be a pussy with them though. They want a man, not a boy for a husband.

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  16. on July 11, 2013 at 10:02 am feministx

    I get really tired of living in countries where the vast majority of people do not speak English. You get limited to whoever does speak English. I used to live in Eastern Europe. Did not like it. Sorry. I need more variety in food, music, activities ect.

    And you also get confined to the ex-pat community, which is cool, but it’s not like being an actual Eastern European.

    CH, personally, I don’t think you should move to Ukraine to get with local girls. If you go to a place where girls are not fluent in English, you’re really handing in your trump card, which is your verbal ability as they may understand you, but they won’t be able to perceive just how articulate you are. So you’ll be stuck with depending more on non verbal cues. Lame.

    [CH: Slapping my giraffe cock down on a table teeming with empty vodka shot glasses is half my game, darling dravidian.]

    I would advise to consider Iceland, but you do seem to have strong preferences about climate. Iceland is cold all the time, but the natural environment is still awesome. Everyone is really white and everyone speaks English. It doesn’t seem like they rely on Icelandic for much of anything professional. Plus, it’s not 2nd worldy. The art scene and music scene reflects sophisticated tastes that a typical urban American could take to. Not eurotrashy stuff. The women are not fat though by their bone structure, they are a tad big boned. Still, there are plenty that are hot. Their fertility rate is very high for Europe and though you wouldn’t have a financial advantage as an American, you could probably get a good job there because they are a developed country with high skill jobs.

    [Iceland would be my second choice. The cold is a blessing in disguise. Sharp air sharpens the mind (and crystallizes the clarion coo of warming copulation).]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:27 am Truth Giver

      GBFM’s buthexxing theory acknowledged in Illuminati press http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2013/07/10/will-the-federal-reserve-provide-us-with-the-next-abuse-of-power-scandal/

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:36 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlzlozololzolzolz

        DA GBFM REVIEWS HIS FRITS BOOKZ!!! “Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream – and Why It Matters Yo YO yo llzooz” lzozozozozo

        DA GBFM REVIEWS HIS FRITS BOOKZ!!! ”Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream – and Why It Matters Yo YO yo llzooz” lzozozozozo

        http://www.amazon.com/Men-Strike-Boycotting-Fatherhood-ebook/dp/B00APDFXKO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370732726&sr=8-1&keywords=marriage+strike

        Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream – and Why It Matters

        firstsoff i was rather dismayed to knotice some misspleiingz in da titles which should read:

        Menz on Strike: Why Menz r Boycotting Marrying Benenrkiikfied PRe-Buttcocked, Desouledn Womenz, Risking Having der assetsts rapepdd by multi-asscocked womnz, DA Farce of modern Fatherhood attacked by da BERNEKaz TV, and da fiat false American Dream as definedz by da elitez zlzozoozz- and Why It don’t relaly really Matters zlzozozozlz

        Da first thing I noticed about da book for menz titled MEN ON STRIKE is dat just like EVERY OTHER BOOK WRITTEN BY WOMEN FOR MENZ is dat it made no mention of

        HOMER

        nor

        MOSES

        nor JESUS

        nor SOCRTAESZ

        nor MISEZ

        nor VIRGIL

        nor DANTE

        nor JEFFERZONSOZN

        nor HAYEK

        nor ADAM SMITH

        nor JOSEPH CAMPBELL

        nor ACHILLEZ

        nor ODYSSEUSZ

        nor STAR WARS nor THE MATRIX nor BRAVEHEART nor 300

        nor KING LEONIDAS

        nor DAVID form da bible story DAVID VS. GOLAITH

        nor SODOM

        nor GOMMORRAHZ zlzlzolzo

        nor NOAH

        nor WHITMANZ

        nor SHAKESPEAREZ

        nor DA BIBLE

        nor da OLD TESTAMENT

        nor da NEW TESTAMENTZ

        nor any of MY FRIENDZ

        nor any of da GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ

        NOR THE FALL OF EVE which launched DA BIBLE nor DA ADULTERY OF HELEN which laucnhed da TORJAN WAR

        as if

        HOMER, MOSES, JESUS, SOCRATES, JEFFERSN, ADAMS, MADISON, WASHINGTON, LEONIDAS, SOCRATES, GALIELEOZ , COPERNICUS, NEWTON

        KNOW ABOSLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT BEING A MAN

        as if ACHILLES KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT HONORZ

        as if DA BIBLE IS COMPLETELY FUCKING USLEFLESS TO MENZ

        HOW MANY MORE FUCKING BOOKZ

        ARE GOING TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT MEN AND FOR MEN

        WHICH FUCKING IGNOREDTHE FUCKIUNG GREAT FUCKING BOOKS FOR FUCKING MENZ???? AND TGUS IGNORE DA CLASSICAL, EXALTED, PUINNACLE, PAARGAON, FORM OF MAN AND EPOIC MANHOODZ?

        lzozlzoozzlzozolzozozozozozooz

        and den when i found out da book made no metion of da GRETA BOKS FOR MENZ

        nor classic epic heoresz which da neococnths hate while they exalt tucker mwax rhmeys with godlmanssnachsz da butcokeekrz in da wekelsy standadrdth lzozozolz

        i got boredz and went and palyed some playatatstaion grand theft autos zlzozoz

        and tunered on da ESPN and picked up a GBFM iliad hoddodyse HOMER JESUS & i texted a bunch of my hotties:

        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/great-books-for-men-greatbooksformen-gbfm-tm-gb4m-tm-gr8books4men-tm-lzozozozozlzo-tm/

        and i PICKE DUP HOMERZ ILAIDZ AND ODYSSEYZ

        and I EXLATE DIN READING THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN

        WHICH HAVE BEEN BANNED AND BANISHSED

        AND WICH WOMEN CARE NOT FOR

        AS THEY NEVER READ, NOR TALK ABOUT DEM, NOR WRITE BAOUT DEM

        AS THEY COMPLETEYTEY IGNORE THE GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ

        and den think dat they can write BOOKS FOR MEN

        while completely ignoring da ARHCETYPAL PINNACLES OF HEORIC MANHOODS

        AND DA GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ!!!!!

        thusly endeth da GBFMZ first book rievewz lzozolzlz

        i hope u ejoyedz it up next i will review da HBO seriez GIRLZ which at least dey get right with da fat fattassed fattie who takez it up da butt form a loser beoryfieerbndsz, so women can get womenz right (as dey feel da buttingzlzozo firts hand zlzooz), but when it comesz to classical, exalted, moral, menz like MOSES ZEUS JESUS SOCTRETATE CICERO CATO SENECAZ leave it to MENZ OKZ? lzlzozoozozozozo

        ZEUS’ LIGHTNING & MOSES’ THUNDER: Da Reason Dey Banned da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ is dat da GREAT BOOKZ teach of the true nature of WOMENZ and da HONOR OF MEN.

        IN THE MIDST OF ZEUS’ LIGHTNING & MOSES’ THUNDER

        A LOST GENERATION OF MEN BEHLD DA GBFM IN WONDER.

        AS HE CAME DOWN FROM HIGH OFF THE MOUNTAIN PEAK

        TO DELIVER DA TRUTH & HONOR ALL YOUNG MEN SEEK.

        lzozozozololzoz

        Lots of people talk and few of them know,soul of a woman was created below.
        Every day I work so hard, bringin’ home my hard earned pay, Try to love you baby, but you push me away.-

        LED ZEPPELIN – DAZED AND CONFUSED LYRICS

        Da Reason Dey Banned da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ is dat da GREAT BOOKZ teach of the true nature of WOMENZ and da HONOR OF MEN.

        HOMER TEACHES:

        You have to watch out [20] She doesn’t carry off all your treasure. You know what a woman’s heart is like. She wants to enrich the house of the one who weds her, Never mind about her former children And the husband she once loved. Once he’s dead, [25] She doesn’t give any of them a thought. –Homer; Lombardo, Stanley; Murnaghan, Sheila (2010-07-02). Odyssey (Translated & Annotated) (Kindle Locations 6813-6817). Hackett Publishing. Kindle Edition.

        lzozoozozlzozoz dat is because a owmenz is gudied by materialz insticnstinct and mater = mother = matter = material you fanabaoyz zlzloolzolzoz. DA ANCIENTZ KNEW IT–all dat da bernnkeifierz conceal and hidez as tehy d create false LAWS allowing womenz to arbitrarily transfer a man’s property and chirlederen to da state zlzlzlooz!!!

        OK EVERYONEZ!!

        CLASS IS IN SESSION!!!

        IN THE COMMENTS, leave samples and excerpts from the GREAT BOOKZ which teach game!! AND also note how the GREAT BOOKZ they teach thingz GREATER THAN GAME (such as honor and civilizatin and freedom from punnanaizz zlozzoz and freedom form butthext) as there is more to life than being the 27th PUA to game some buttehxt off a modenrz ebebernankifed deousled womenz zlzozolzlzlozlzozoolzolzozlzloz

        HEre is one for starters:

        lzozozlzozozoz

        read homers lodysysyey!! duh!!!!

        homer’s odysysey teaches that if you stand up to womenz you get to FUCK them lzozozozo

        if you don’t stand up to dem dey turn you into pigs

        yes homer was alomst as brrilliaaiant as heartistse lzozozozozo:

        HOMER’S ODYSSEY:

        “‘And I will tell you of all the wicked witchcraft that Circe will
        try to practise upon you. She will mix a mess for you to drink, and
        she will drug the meal with which she makes it, but she will not be
        able to charm you, for the virtue of the herb that I shall give you
        will prevent her spells from working. I will tell you all about it.
        When Circe strikes you with her wand, draw your sword and spring upon
        her as though you were goings to kill her. She will then be frightened
        and will desire you to go to bed with her; on this you must not point
        blank refuse her, for you want her to set your companions free, and
        to take good care also of yourself, but you make her swear solemnly
        by all the blessed that she will plot no further mischief against
        you, or else when she has got you naked she will unman you and make
        you fit for nothing.’ ”

        -http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.mb.txt

        zlzozozozozoz

        ANOTHER GREAT PLACE IS IN GENESIES GENEIS IN DA BIBLE:

        16 Unto the woman GOD said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

        is it no wonder sad benerneiannkieirz funded fmeinnisnsmz to deconstruct the GRETA BOOKZ AND CLASSIZCXZ? zlozozzlzol

        HAMLET: HAMLET

        O, that this too too solid flesh would melt
        Thaw and resolve itself into a dew!
        Or that the Everlasting had not fix’d
        His canon ‘gainst self-slaughter! O God! God!
        How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable,
        Seem to me all the uses of this world!
        Fie on’t! ah fie! ’tis an unweeded garden,
        That grows to seed; things rank and gross in nature
        Possess it merely. That it should come to this!
        But two months dead: nay, not so much, not two:
        So excellent a king; that was, to this,
        Hyperion to a satyr; so loving to my mother
        That he might not beteem the winds of heaven
        Visit her face too roughly. Heaven and earth!
        Must I remember? why, she would hang on him,
        As if increase of appetite had grown
        By what it fed on: and yet, within a month–
        Let me not think on’t–Frailty, thy name is woman!–
        A little month, or ere those shoes were old
        With which she follow’d my poor father’s body,
        Like Niobe, all tears:–why she, even she–
        O, God! a beast, that wants discourse of reason,
        Would have mourn’d longer–married with my uncle,
        My father’s brother, but no more like my father
        Than I to Hercules: within a month:
        Ere yet the salt of most unrighteous tears
        Had left the flushing in her galled eyes,
        She married. O, most wicked speed, to post
        With such dexterity to incestuous sheets!
        It is not nor it cannot come to good:
        But break, my heart; for I must hold my tongue.

        SHOEPNHAUER:

        The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important. It is by virtue of man’s reasoning powers that he does not live in the present only, like the brute, but observes and ponders over the past and future; and from this spring discretion, care, and that anxiety which we so frequently notice in people. The advantages, as well as the disadvantages, that this entails, make woman, in consequence of her weaker reasoning powers, less of a partaker in them. Moreover, she is intellectually short-sighted, for although her intuitive understanding quickly perceives what is near to her, on the other hand her circle of vision is limited and does not embrace anything that is remote; hence everything that is absent or past, or in the future, affects women in a less degree than men. This is why they have greater inclination for extravagance, which sometimes borders on madness. Women in their hearts think that men are intended to earn money so that they may spend it, if possible during their husband’s lifetime, but at any rate after his death.

        As soon as he has given them his earnings on which to keep house they are strengthened in this belief. Although all this entails many disadvantages, yet it has this advantage—that a woman lives more in the present than a man, and that she enjoys it more keenly if it is at all bearable. This is the origin of that cheerfulness which is peculiar to woman and makes her fit to divert man, and in case of need, to console him when he is weighed down by cares. To consult women in matters of difficulty, as the Germans used to do in old times, is by no means a matter to be overlooked; for their way of grasping a thing is quite different from ours, chiefly because they like the shortest way to the point, and usually keep their attention fixed upon what lies nearest; while we, as a rule, see beyond it, for the simple reason that it lies under our nose; it then becomes necessary for us to be brought back to the thing in order to obtain a near and simple view. This is why women are more sober in their judgment than we, and why they see nothing more in things than is really there; while we, if our passions are roused, slightly exaggerate or add to our imagination.

        It is because women’s reasoning powers are weaker that they show more sympathy for the unfortunate than men, and consequently take a kindlier interest in them. On the other hand, women are inferior to men in matters of justice, honesty, and conscientiousness. Again, because their reasoning faculty is weak, things clearly visible and real, and belonging to the present, exercise a power over them which is rarely counteracted by abstract thoughts, fixed maxims, or firm resolutions, in general, by regard for the past and future or by consideration for what is absent and remote. Accordingly they have the first and principal qualities of virtue, but they lack the secondary qualities which are often a necessary instrument in developing it. Women may be compared in this respect to an organism that has a liver but no gall-bladder.9 So that it will be found that the fundamental fault in the character of women is that they have no “sense of justice.” This arises from their deficiency in the power of reasoning already referred to, and reflection, but is also partly due to the fact that Nature has not destined them, as the weaker sex, to be dependent on strength but on cunning; this is why they are instinctively crafty, and have an ineradicable tendency to lie. For as lions are furnished with claws and teeth, elephants with tusks, boars with fangs, bulls with horns, and the cuttlefish with its dark, inky fluid, so Nature has provided woman for her protection and defence with the faculty of dissimulation, and all the power which Nature has given to man in the form of bodily strength and reason has been conferred on woman in this form. Hence, dissimulation is innate in woman and almost as characteristic of the very stupid as of the clever. Accordingly, it is as natural for women to dissemble at every opportunity as it is for those animals to turn to their weapons when they are attacked; and they feel in doing so that in a certain measure they are only making use of their rights. Therefore a woman who is perfectly truthful and does not dissemble is perhaps an impossibility. This is why they see through dissimulation in others so easily; therefore it is not advisable to attempt it with them. From the fundamental defect that has been stated, and all that it involves, spring falseness, faithlessness, treachery, ungratefulness, and so on. In a court of justice women are more often found guilty of perjury than men. It is indeed to be generally questioned whether they should be allowed to take an oath at all. From time to time there are repeated cases everywhere of ladies, who want for nothing, secretly pocketing and taking away things from shop counters.

        HAMLET:

        OPHELIA

        Good my lord,
        How does your honour for this many a day?

        HAMLET

        I humbly thank you; well, well, well.

        OPHELIA

        My lord, I have remembrances of yours,
        That I have longed long to re-deliver;
        I pray you, now receive them.

        HAMLET

        No, not I;
        I never gave you aught.

        OPHELIA

        My honour’d lord, you know right well you did;
        And, with them, words of so sweet breath composed
        As made the things more rich: their perfume lost,
        Take these again; for to the noble mind
        Rich gifts wax poor when givers prove unkind.
        There, my lord.

        HAMLET

        Ha, ha! are you honest?

        OPHELIA

        My lord?

        HAMLET

        Are you fair?

        OPHELIA

        What means your lordship?

        HAMLET

        That if you be honest and fair, your honesty should
        admit no discourse to your beauty.

        OPHELIA

        Could beauty, my lord, have better commerce than
        with honesty?

        HAMLET

        Ay, truly; for the power of beauty will sooner
        transform honesty from what it is to a bawd than the
        force of honesty can translate beauty into his
        likeness: this was sometime a paradox, but now the
        time gives it proof. I did love you once.

        OPHELIA

        Indeed, my lord, you made me believe so.

        HAMLET

        You should not have believed me; for virtue cannot
        so inoculate our old stock but we shall relish of
        it: I loved you not.

        OPHELIA

        I was the more deceived.

        HAMLET

        Get thee to a nunnery: why wouldst thou be a
        breeder of sinners? I am myself indifferent honest;
        but yet I could accuse me of such things that it
        were better my mother had not borne me: I am very
        proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offences at
        my beck than I have thoughts to put them in,
        imagination to give them shape, or time to act them
        in. What should such fellows as I do crawling
        between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves,
        all; believe none of us. Go thy ways to a nunnery.
        Where’s your father?

        SHOPENHAUER:

        In India no woman is ever independent, but each one stands under the control of her father or her husband, or brother or son, in accordance with the law of Manu.

        It is certainly a revolting idea that widows should sacrifice themselves on their husband’s dead body; but it is also revolting that the money which the husband has earned by working diligently for all his life, in the hope that he was working for his children, should be wasted on her paramours. Medium tenuere beati. The first love of a mother, as that of animals and men, is purely instinctive, and consequently ceases when the child is no longer physically helpless. After that, the first love should be reinstated by a love based on habit and reason; but this often does not appear, especially where the mother has not loved the father. The love of a father for his children is of a different nature and more sincere; it is founded on a recognition of his own inner self in the child, and is therefore metaphysical in its origin.

        In almost every nation, both of the new and old world, and even among the Hottentots, property is inherited by the male descendants alone; it is only in Europe that one has departed from this. That the property which men have with difficulty acquired by long-continued struggling and hard work should afterwards come into the hands of women, who, in their want of reason, either squander it within a short time or otherwise waste it, is an injustice as great as it is common, and it should be prevented by limiting the right of women to inherit. It seems to me that it would be a better arrangement if women, be they widows or daughters, only inherited the money for life secured by mortgage, but not the property itself or the capital, unless there lacked male descendants. It is men who make the money, and not women; therefore women are neither justified in having unconditional possession of it nor capable of administrating it. Women should never have the free disposition of wealth, strictly so-called, which they may inherit, such as capital, houses, and estates. They need a guardian always; therefore they should not have the guardianship of their children under any circumstances whatever. The vanity of women, even if it should not be greater than that of men, has this evil in it, that it is directed on material things—that is to say, on their personal beauty and then on tinsel, pomp, and show. This is why they are in their right element in society. This it is which makes them inclined to be extravagant, especially since they possess little reasoning power. Accordingly, an ancient writer says, [Greek: Gunae to synolon esti dapanaeron physei].10 Men’s vanity, on the other hand, is often directed on non-material advantages, such as intellect, learning, courage, and the like. Aristotle explains in thePolitics11 the great disadvantages which the Spartans brought upon themselves by granting too much to their women, by allowing them the right of inheritance and dowry, and a great amount of freedom; and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta. May it not be that the influence of women in France, which has been increasing since Louis XIII.‘s time, was to blame for that gradual corruption of the court and government which led to the first Revolution, of which all subsequent disturbances have been the result? In any case, the false position of the female sex, so conspicuously exposed by the existence of the “lady,” is a fundamental defect in our social condition, and this defect, proceeding from the very heart of it, must extend its harmful influence in every direction. That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.

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        the following is from: http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/whatathenianmensaid.htm

        “1) Aristotle said that man is by nature superior to the female and so the man should rule and the woman should be ruled.[1]
        2) Demosthenes wrote “We keep hetaerae for the sake of pleasure, females slaves for our daily care and wives to give us legitimate children and to be the guardians of our households.”[2]
        3) “A man who teaches a woman to write should know that he is providing poison to an asp.”[3]
        4) Euripides has women characters make disparaging remarks about their sex:
        a) I am only a woman, a thing which the world hates.[4]
        b) No cure has been found for a woman’s venom, worse than that of reptiles. We are a curse to man.[5]
        c) Men of sense should never let gossiping women visit their wives, for they work mischief.[6]
        5) Hipponax, whose writing is quite abusive anyway, had this to say about women: “There are two days on which a woman is most pleasing—when someone marries her and when he carries out her dead body.”[7] This aphorism probably should be ignored, coming as it does from a Sixth Century BCE Ephesian whose malicious temperament left him with few friends in the land of his birth and very little good to say about anyone, but the remark is quoted too often today to be left out.
        6) Hyperides said, “A woman who travels outside her house should be old enough that people ask whose mother she is, not whose wife she is.”[8]
        7) In his Funeral Speech Pericles said, “A woman’s reputation is highest when men say little about her, whether it be good or evil.”[9]

        It seems clear, then, that Athenians saw women as beguiling creatures capable of causing considerable harm to themselves and others, and weaker in mind and body than men. Many believed that young girls were somewhat wild and difficult to control and that virgins were subject to hallucinations that could encourage them to be self-destructive. The solution was an early marriage, for only after a woman had delivered her first baby could she be a fully-operational female.
        “

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        Th following is form:

        http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/women%20and%20the%20law%20in%20ancient%20israel.htm

        “WOMEN AND THE LAW IN ANCIENT ISRAEL

        The Ancient Hebrew law code outlined in the Bible unfortunately lacks the detail that can be found in other ancient legal systems such as the Babylonian and Roman, but we can at least summarize the general principles.

        1. Marriage was called “taking a wife”

        2. It involved sexual intercourse

        3. While there was no death penalty in Hebrew law for property crimes, adultery was a capital offence for both participants.

        4. Marriage and children were necessary to have a fulfilled life. A childless woman could call herself a mother by giving her maid-servant to her husband as a second wife (assuming, of course, the maid-servant did indeed produce a child).

        5. A widow had the right to marry her husband’s brother if he lived in the same town.

        6. Polygyny was permitted but uncommon.

        7. Divorce was easy for a man and impossible for a woman.

        8. Childlessness was the most common reason for divorce

        9. The woman moved to the husband’s home and family

        10. While the husband was clearly the boss, each expected love from the other and a wife had the legal right to support.”

        ONE OF THE MOST HILARIOUS THINGZZ IS HOW

        SO MANY FATHERLESS RITALIN RAISED PUSUSYSYSYYSS FANBOYZ SAY

        “WELL THE GREAT BOOKS TEACH NOTHING OF GAMEZZZ lzozozlzolz”

        THIS IS WHY THE MODERN CHURCHIANZ HAVE BANISHED THE BIBLEZ: lzozozzozo

        http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/womens_rights.html

        “Genesis 3:16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

        Isaiah 3:12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.

        1 Corinthians 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

        1 Corinthians 14:34-36Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

        Ephesians 5:22-24Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

        Colossians 3:18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

        1 Timothy 2:11-15Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

        Titus 2:4-5Teach the young women to be … obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

        1 Peter 3:1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.”

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        ‘Tis why the PUAs also hate HOMER and SOCRATESZ and CICERO.

        Here’s a list of books the PUAS hate and detest and regularly attack, excoriate, and vote down so as to please the central banking feminsista fanboyz who rule over them via butt tingzlzozoz:

        0. THE BIBLE
        1. Homer’s Iliad
        2. Homer’s Odyssey
        3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
        4. Virgil’s Aeneid
        5. Socrates’ Apology
        6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
        7. Plato’s Repulic
        8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
        9. Aristotle’s Poetics
        10. Dante’s Inferno
        11. The Declaration of Independence
        12. The Constitution
        13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
        14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        15. Newton’s Principia
        16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
        17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
        18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
        19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
        21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
        22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
        23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
        24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
        25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
        26. THE BIBLE

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        The renaissance hath begun.

        As Athena called Telemachus to adventure–to sail forth and learn the news of His True Father Odysseus, so too does GBFM call upon ye to man up, sail forth, and learn the news of your true Fathers.

        Like Hamlet you came of age in a world where your father–THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–had been murdered. Where they had been debauched, debased, bernenekfified out of the fiat-debt curriculum. And just as Hamlet’s Father called upon Him to Avenge his Death and Set the World Right, so too do I call upon all of ye buton-mashing gamersz and manboob betasz churchians to Man Up and Honor Your True Fathers.

        Like Odysseus’s son Telemachus you came of age in a house occupied by false suitors trying to buttehxt your mom Penelope alongside your future wife, deosuling her faster than Bill Bennett can gamble away a million dollars in Vegas. You came of age in a home absent of your true Father–Odysseus and THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Like Telemachus and Hamlet, you were born to know of your Fathers and do the work of your Fathers, as did Jesus. And like Jesus, you were born into a fallen world occupied by arrogant neeoconth Scribes and Pharisees, lorded over by intellectually-indifferent Pontius Pilates, ruled by mobs (and female prison wardensz lzozlz) who vote to set the murderer free, while sending Jesus to die upon the Cross.

        But all of that was then, and This is Now.

        Do not fail to Honor your Fathers by neglecting to live for the Classical, Epic Honor that so many of them not only Lived for, but Died For.

        Do not turn away from the vast Gifts they bequeathed you with–THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS.

        Begin today, begin today, all ye fanboyz mashing buttonz in your single-mom’s basements, all you PUA artsitsz trying to get your occkas wet in sterile bungholez and sterilized ginaholez made sterile by the fed’s before and morning after pillz. Begin today, all my fatherless, ritalin-addicted, gold-farming sons and READ the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Learn of the HONOR of your FATHERS form Achilles and Moses on down. The tiny-cckcoaaks white-knighting Churchians will scowl and stamp their feet and scream at you that Jesus cam to Abolish the Law, while Jesus himself stated that He came to Fulfill it.

        When you were a child ye partook in childish things–in mashing buttons in your meaningless videogamez.

        But now that you are a Man, it is time to Man Up, which does not mean marrying a babebrnekified beenrnakified butethxted, desouled, single monz, but reading THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Begin today my firendz. BEGIINZ TODAYZ.

        I propose that a renaissance in the Great Books and Classics is needed so as to re-instill a more traditional Code of Honor which will enrich the lives of men, women, and children, and liberate us all from the debt-financed debauchery, deconstruction, and debasement.

        All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest:

        0. THE BIBLE
        1. Homer’s Iliad
        2. Homer’s Odyssey
        3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
        4. Virgil’s Aeneid
        5. Socrates’ Apology
        6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
        7. Plato’s Repulic
        8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
        9. Aristotle’s Poetics
        10. Dante’s Inferno
        11. The Declaration of Independence
        12. The Constitution
        13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
        14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        15. Newton’s Principia
        16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
        17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
        18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
        19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
        21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
        22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
        23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
        24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
        25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
        26. THE BIBLE

        And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:42 pm cryo

        Hey GBFM, I’m currently reading Robinson Crusoe, which is one of the very first great English novels, and I was dismayed to find that it didn’t even make your list. What gives?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:05 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:29 pm L82thegame

        GBFM, in 8th grade they had us read “To Kill a Mockingbird” by Harper Lee. Why did they have us reading books like that, and not your books?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:11 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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        have evil in their hearts
        and out of their mouths
        come lies
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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:46 am P-M-P-A-M

        GBFM, I see you already have some great English writers on the list but can we not make some room for RK…

        WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
        He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
        But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
        For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
        He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
        But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
        For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
        They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
        ‘Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
        For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        Man’s timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
        For the Woman that God gave him isn’t his to give away;
        But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other’s tale—
        The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
        Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
        Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
        To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

        Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
        To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
        Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
        Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

        But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
        Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
        And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
        The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

        She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
        May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
        These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
        She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

        She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
        As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
        And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
        Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

        She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
        Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
        He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
        Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.
        Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
        Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
        Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
        And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

        So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
        With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
        Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
        To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

        And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
        Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
        And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
        That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 11:43 am feministx

      [CH: Slapping my giraffe cock down on a table teeming with empty vodka shot glasses is half my game, darling dravidian.]

      Lol, I’m sure your charms of that sort must be quite impressive.

      [Iceland would be my second choice. The cold is a blessing in disguise. Sharp air sharpens the mind (and crystallizes the clarion coo of warming copulation).]

      Ok. Pls let me know if you move. I would like to come visit. I love Iceland.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:13 pm Jay in DC

        You want to CH to fuck a baby into you sooooo badly it is almost a manifested reality I can touch and feel. You’ve never met this man, but his words and relative level of bemusement at it all keeps you flicking your bean hard… If only you did not have that face. Your body is a hard 8 or 9, real talk, but from the neck up you are fairly boner killing. You realize you can fuck CH now, better, since you are both in the same country then to wait for some silly Iceland hook up? Just sayin’…

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 7:37 am feministx

        manifested in a reality you can touch and feel? ummm, k. Interesting that you can live vicariously so intensely.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 11:54 am Jochen Peiper

      Iceland is a socialist toilet along the lines of the rest of Scandinavia.

      [CH: I’m no fan of high taxes or redistribution, but if the choice is between socialism and democracy by diversity, I’m going communal with my comrades.]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm corvinus

        Iceland hasn’t yet let in a bunch of Muslims to turn it into a real socialist toilet like Sweden and Norway… but that’s bound to change.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm Shoot Me

        The government recently approved the construction of Iceland’s first mosque.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm Matthew

        Eh, they can just build the low-rent housing on the slopes.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:11 pm Subway Masturbator

        Toilet? Are you nuts? Everything’s modern, wages are high and health care is great. The guys are all tall and better looking than me so it sux for guys though unless you’re hast. See, femx likes the place= it’s bad for guys.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:27 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        [CH: I’m no fan of high taxes or redistribution, but if the choice is between socialism and democracy by diversity, I’m going communal with my comrades.]

        hell yah!!! it is gonna be me heartistse and puitin!!!!! putin!!! PUTUNZ!!

        at leas PUTIN IS FUCKING HONESTZ and allowsz CHIRSTISAN ORTHODODX CHIRTSISNAZNZ to live buthetx free fro da most partz zzlzooz

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm Hugh Mann

      Iceland is run by Good Socialists – they let their bankers go bust, and keep wages high. Tipping is frowned on as even bar and restaurant staff earn enough to get by.

      Two nights back there was a travel documentary on BBC – the (female) presenter did a four-day trek, accompanied by an Icelandic blonde with wonderful bone structure. The presenter’s not considered bad-looking, but when they were both on camera together she looked Orc-like by comparison.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:27 pm Mr.C

        The American Cryptofascist Kleptocracy would have you believe that ALL forms of Socialism are bad.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:22 pm Matthew

        The word “socialism” became tainted by association with “nationalist”?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:50 am Subway Masturbator

        Mr. C, you are correct, divide and conquer, look at that bad man over there!! ( Hand slips into pocket) Oh and the UNIONS, they are the worst (make wages higher by something like $8 per hour) As of now, they have stripped the borrow 80% until those people only own 7% of assets, now they are buying houses like crazy on the upswing so they can raise your rent in the “free market.”

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:23 pm Subway Masturbator

      FemX: Whenever a woman says a place is bad, guys should realize the place is good. Femx looks above average for the United Whales of America, but definitely below average for Ukraine. Women are incapable of facing their market value.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 7:03 am cynthia

      Being part of an expat community and not speaking the local language is one of the perks for a lot of men living overseas, actually. It sucks for Western women (because both the local and foreign men DO NOT WANT US), but for men, it can be really amazing. The expat thing lets a person engage with only as much of their host nation as they’d like, while simultaneously allowing them to ignore all the things they don’t because of the language and culture barrier. it essentially lets the expat create his own little world and shape it into whatever he wants. Wanna fuck hot girls every night and never pay on the subways? You can do that. Wanna marry local, raise your kids speaking the local language, train at one of the top traditional martial arts schools, and otherwise sink in so far you can never come back to the West? Also an option. You see this a lot in the communities in Asia. Don’t know how it is in Europe. Just a thought.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm feministx

        “It sucks for Western women (because both the local and foreign men DO NOT WANT US), but for men, it can be really amazing:”

        Really? I get hit on 10x more than I ever do in the US when I go to Europe because of ex-pats. They are single male transients. They have nothing better to do than try and nab travelling women.

        Eastern European men from northern and central parts never hit on me unless they mistake me for a gypsy prostitute, a mistake that is not that uncommon.

        Eastern European men from southern parts hit on me, but not as much as northern European men. And it doesn’t really seem like they even like me. They come up to me and say “Indi?” and tell me that indis are beautiful in broken english. I have travelled to many small and obscure towns around EE, where I am likely to be the only Indian person people every encounter. Thus, a lot of people get excited to see me. People ask to take pictures of me etc. Hence, the guys don’t really like me, but they want to talk to me out of curiosity.

        Italian dudes are dogs and hit on everything that has 3 holes, so they don’t even count.

        Scandanavian men are the biggest surprise because Dutch and Scandinavian men are the most forward about hitting on me (excepting Italians, who are just doing it to bother you). They are extroverted and open unlike insular EE men and they are aggressive and motivated to get foreign girls. It’s really weird being hit on by Scand guys because some of them are ridiculously good looking (though not the Icelandic ones so much). I would never get hit on by the same guys at random if we were in America. Lookswise, they can be male hard 10s. It’s actually a peculiar experience for me to have a male physical 10 be like “I have a cabin in the laplands. Let me know if you come to Finland. You can come stay there for a few weeks anytime.” It feels like being in a movie or something.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:42 pm feministx

        If you go to Europe and you don’t hang out in a group with Americans, you’d probably get hit on plenty. Maybe Asian guys dont hit on women as much. Or maybe they only hit on Asian women?

        I dont know, but till this day, I don’t think I’ve ever once been hit on by an East Asian man.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 5:50 pm bannedbyroosh

        maybe thfy hit on u cuz tgey think ur easy since ur american. well u are indian thus bein hella hairy thats why east asian men dont hit on u…they perfer more femine

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      • on July 14, 2013 at 9:29 am cynthia

        Asian men don’t hit on American women much, at all. And I avoided other Americans in Tokyo like the plague. I don’t know if that’s to do with the fact that they think we’re all ball-busting bitches, that we’re more physically and emotionally aggressive than their own women, or if they just genuinely don’t like white girls. IDK.

        But yeah,I get quite a bit of attention in Europe. Which I don’t necessarily like – I travel to take photographs, not fuck men, and they usually get very pushy once they hear the accent.

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  17. on July 11, 2013 at 10:08 am PA

    The theory about wars and Holodomor making Ukrainian girls pretty is nonsense. Czechs had no wars or mass deaths in centuries and their girls are as pretty.

    [CH: Weren’t the lands in and around modern-day Czech Republic historically overrun in a series of Hun and Mongol migrations? Male culling could have occurred there.

    Anyhow, the theory goes that wars and genocides reduce the male-female ratio, much the same way primeval hunting excursions inevitably led to fewer men than women in tribes, and that this skewed ratio allowed the surviving men the luxury of picking and choosing from among the prettiest of the local ladies for matters of investment and procreation. The theory is supported over at Peter Frost’s Evo and Proud blog, and it sounds eminently plausible to me. However, the remark about the Holodomor was largely glib and intended only to spur discussion about the possibility that the world-beating beauty of European women, and in particular East European women, is partly the result of mass cullings of their men. And also to troll the usual suspects.]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:31 am PA

      I’m not convinced that EE women are innately more attractive than other Northern and Northwest European women. The differences seem entirely cultural.

      [CH: If the beauty differences between European women and, say, African women are objective, then it stands to reason that the possibility exists the perceived and fairly widely-regarded (by men of experience and taste) beauty differences between Western and Eastern European women might also be objective rather than culturally conditioned.

      Nevertheless, I’m open to the countering argument that German women or Brit women (lol) are just as beautiful, on the average, as Baltic or Slav women, and that some of the observed difference in desirability is the fact of the Western women’s obesity and feminism epidemic, which has yet to hit East Europe with the same ferocity. But I find it highly unlikely as a matter of intuitive grasp that mean female beauty would be evenly distributed across all of Europe.]

      My dad traveled extensively to areas of the USSR as a student in the 1960s, including Ukraine. I asked him about female attractiveness there back then. He told me that they were hideous. Plain Jane pretty at best, and this included college student girls. His explanation was their potato-heavy diet at the time, drinking, smoking, and lack of access to cosmetics and good clothes.

      [I’ve heard this from some older world-travelers as well. I don’t discount their observations, but it’s hard to square what they say with what men on the ground are saying today. Ultimately the matter will only be resolved by my scouring all the lands of Europe of its prime vestal virginity and reporting back with my findings.

      PS My personal taste veers strongly to those baguette eating surrender hotties.]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:52 am Hector_St_Clare

        I think a big part of the issue here is this: the *effective* ratio of desirable men to desirable women in the Russosphere is low, and has been for a while now. This is partly due to the history of war, foreign invasions, political mass killings, and civil wars, but also (nowadays, especially) to the fact that so many of the men are unemployable, alcoholics or drug addicts. This means that the pool of single women is chasing a relatively smaller number of single men (and this has been the case for awhile now, because of the history of so many RUssian/Soviet men dying in wars). So the women work especially hard to get noticed, spend a lot of time on their looks/appearance, etc.

        I’d go over to Russia or Ukraine to find a girl in a heartbeat (and actually my friend is travelling in Russia next year, and said she’d do her best to find a girl who might be interested). My concern though is that I’m not white, and I’ve been told a lot of Russians have racial hangups.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm Mr.C

        “”I think a big part of the issue here is this: the *effective* ratio of desirable men to desirable women in the Russosphere is low, and has been for a while now. This is partly due to the history of war, foreign invasions, political mass killings, and civil wars, but also (nowadays, especially) to the fact that so many of the men are unemployable, alcoholics or drug addicts. This means that the pool of single women is chasing a relatively smaller number of single men (and this has been the case for awhile now, because of the history of so many Russian/Soviet men dying in wars). So the women work especially hard to get noticed, spend a lot of time on their looks/appearance, etc.””

        Agreed. This makes a huge difference. Women have to compete for a shortage of men.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:09 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> so many of the men are unemployable, alcoholics or drug addicts

        So maybe this white-race thing isn’t all that robust? Note: I’m not a liberal; I just look at things the way an insurance actuary does: Stow your ideologies, I only want to see the RESULTS. Does the dog hunt, or not?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm corvinus

        My dad traveled extensively to areas of the USSR as a student in the 1960s, including Ukraine. I asked him about female attractiveness there back then. He told me that they were hideous. Plain Jane pretty at best, and this included college student girls. His explanation was their potato-heavy diet at the time, drinking, smoking, and lack of access to cosmetics and good clothes.

        Communism and feminine stylishness don’t mix.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm nsjaikumar@hotmail.com

        Re: Communism and feminine stylishness don’t mix.

        The Cubans would beg to disagree.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm corvinus

        Cuba was a noted poosy paradise back under Fulgencio Bautista, with Varadero Beach known as the Ipanema of the North. I imagine that what they do have now is merely the leftover glow of good times lost.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 5:04 am embracingourfemininity

        There’s plenty of beautiful Mediterranean women. And contrary to popular belief not all Med women are tanned with dark hair and dark eyes. There are many with Blue eyes, green eyes.. and lighter hair. Italians, Spanish, Greek…

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm feministx

        Slavic women look the best out of all European women on average. To me, it looks genetic. It’s also remarkable to see how quickly appearances change across ethnicities that are very close to each other geographically. I have noticed the following- Though slavic women are consistently hot, slavic men have quite a range. Czech men are not in the least bit attractive. Yugoslavian men are rather attractive as are Estonian and other northern baltic men. Polish men are about average. Thus, whatever historical thing happened to these people to determine their pairing choices, something in the events varied enough so that male attractiveness could vary considerably across EE.

        Also, there is some variation in female slavic attractveness. Hungarian women are not so great on average. Czech women are really stellar as are Ukranian girls. Estonian girls are famed for their beauty, and I don’t know why because they are like lesser versions of the less Scandinavian Lithuanian and Latvian girls. I would love to know what happened to the Czechs that did not happen to the Hungarians.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm goodspeed

        “I’m not convinced that EE women are innately more attractive than other Northern and Northwest European women. The differences seem entirely cultural.”
        I think this is false because I can usually pick out whether a woman comes from Northern or Eastern Europe, and there are even dissimilarities in appearance between the Finns and the rest of the Nordics. And if there are differences in appearance there will also be differences in hotness.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:07 pm Pete

        Unfortunately Russian girls are getting fatter every year. Combination of better economy so they can eat better, and American junk food diets being hip. Five years ago heavy Russian girls in Moscow or St. Petersburg were really rare, but now they are becoming common.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm corvinus

      You’re wrong: Czechs were depopulated pretty badly by the Hussite Wars and the Thirty Years’ War.

      The ugliest women in Europe are almost universally regarded to be those in England, which has never suffered depopulation any kind, except for a relatively mild loss of young men in World War I. But even there, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, and Aus/NZ took a disproportionate loss, and their women are usually considered better than England’s.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm Caramba

        If you ask my opinion-the ugliest women in Europe are from Bulgaria,Macedonia and Greece.

        English are just plain.Nothing special really,but not obviously ugly.

        The hottest ones in terms of genetics-are scandinavian and dutch.In terms of presenting-north ee.
        In terms of charisma,flirt and ability to truly love a man-french.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:23 pm Matthew

        That’s explained by the Balkan women getting the business end of the Turks for centuries.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 5:09 am embracingourfemininity

        English are just plain.Nothing special really,but not obviously ugly.

        Hmm, I find it to be very much the opposite, I noticed that British women are either very Beautiful… or the opposite. There doesn’t seem to me much in between. And then you see the ones that could be very pretty if they took more care of their bodies. I think much of the problem is the attitude, when a woman has a crass, and manly attitude it subtracts greatly from her beauty.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 5:16 am embracingourfemininity

        BTW here in Cyprus there are a lot of pretty women, I mean Greek-Cypriots. So if your experience with Greeks tells you otherwise, I beg to differ. There’s also a lot of really beautiful women from main land Greece, but I am always unsure if their beauty is natural or not, the women on Greek television look they got excited and had too much plastic surgery.

        One of my favorite singers is this beautiful Greek woman from Athens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LF6VJErhIE

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:09 pm Pete

        Voula Papachristou is pretty good looking as well –
        http://deadspin.com/5928886/greek-olympian-banned-for-racist-twitter-joke

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:37 pm embracingourfemininity

        Hmm.. I personally think she looks a little masculine in the body..and quite average in the face.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:52 pm Caramba

        Btw I met this byelorussian guy recently who goes for english.

        We had a chat with him and he told me before leaving to England he heard these horror stories about ugly english women etc.He dated a model back in Byelorussia.Now he goes only for british.But he has game I would say.

        Many people,many opinions.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:23 pm corvinus

        Sigh… they say Australian convicts would routinely pork Aboriginal women, so if there’s a plug and a hole, they’ll eventually stick together.

        He must be one of the 5% of men who are sexually wacky, like chubby-chasers.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:53 pm Caramba

        Ok so lets think.Generally there are more nice looking english women than russian women IN ENGLAND.Statistics.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:57 pm corvinus

        I suppose if he’s stuck there for work purposes, he’d be forced to slum it.

        Although, given your points about Balkan girls, I do sometimes wonder if you Eastern European men find our own women more attractive than we do, and vice versa. My brother stayed in Kiev with a friend of mine, and my friend mentioned about how he was accompanied by two “beautiful girls”, both Americans. One of the girls was a 6.5, cute but not enough to spark my interest, and the other was a 5 at best, with odd angular features and huge Urkel glasses. Meanwhile, my friend is married to an 8.5.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:00 pm corvinus

        (My friend that I’m talking about is a local Kyïws’ky, btw.)

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 4:19 am Caramba

        Well,yes suppose its normal.I personally think Ukrainian women are ok in looks,but they are all the same and their looks are way too boring.I would say the hotness in Ukraine has a very Gaussian distribution with 5-7 between,but very few outliers.Few 8s practically no 9s.

        The most beautiful faces in my life I saw in scandinavian and dutch women.Ok,they do everything to repel a man-true,but speaking from pure genetics:a lot of hot in there.In ukraine I see a real 8+ only maybe once a month or two.In Holland I saw a real 8+ once a week.

        I don’t like the american women.I suppose there must be some hot american chicks,and I ve seen some close to it,but the weird fashion ,annoying talk with 30 words vocabular and dumbness make you wanna vomit.Nevertheless I am sure an american chick,with all the novelty of foreign, will defo attract a lot of male attention in Ukraine.
        I remember I met a Ukrainian in Kiev,who dated this Danish vegan-save the world-feminist 5.He was obsessed with her,literally.And he was in his late 20,6ft tall,nothing wrong with him really.Neither there was any issue of visa or anything like that as far as I knew.

        I have around 15 flags,and my most preferred women are southern european. They know how to love a man,they betaise with this fine and elegant technique-you dont even notice,and they have family values. Ok its harder to find a 8in Spain (although not that hard if you have some game),but I agree to look for them longer.I have had plenty of opportunities to go for Ukrainian or Russian women (and in fact I dated a Ukrainian not long ago,dumped her with great pleasure) but I simply cant be bothered to speacially look for them.They don’t make me horny. If happens -good,but I am not going to go out of my way and travel back to Ukraine just for them.

        Maybe its the nature talking in me-the rule #1: spread your genes.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm corvinus

        Maybe its the nature talking in me-the rule #1: spread your genes.

        Hah. Perhaps that’s it. I also seem to go for high-quality Germanic chicks most strongly (as long as they’re not too tall and big), and am of mostly Irish and British blood, so maybe in my not liking my own women there is some anti-inbreeding instinct coming to the fore.

        For example, there’s an Irish-American girl who’s friends with my brother, and although she is fat, what actually bothered me (slightly) more was that she reminds me of my aunt! She had come on to my brother, and he rejected her too — possibly for the same reason, although I never bothered to quiz him on that.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 4:25 pm Glengarry

        Where do you find the top talent in Spain? (Or are they all in London now?)

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 10:05 am liam

        I must live in the best part of England then, Southeast London has plenty of hotties, no question. I been around the world myself so i have a bit of perspective.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:46 pm whiskeysplace

      During the Thirty Years War 1618-1648, almost 40% of German speakers died, this also included the Czech areas, indeed it started in Prague. Which has always been a German-influence Slavic area. So there’s that.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm Greg Eliot

      Czechs had no wars or mass deaths in centuries and their girls are as pretty.

      This is what happens when history in schools is limited hosannas related Rosa Parks sitting her black ass down.

      Your teachers should have been defenestrated… in Prague.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:54 pm PA

        Where do you see a WWII-scale mass dieoff involving Czech men within the past couple of centuries?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:18 pm Greg Eliot

        Are you obtuse naturally, or did you have to acquire such dimness?

        “past couple of centuries”? Didn’t know that a mere few hundred years was the make/break point of evolution… soviet foxes notwithstanding.

        Many have already mentioned The Thirty Years War, for a start… you may have missed my oh-so-clever reference to the defenestration of Prague… then perhaps start with Sudeten Germans and their fate, post WWII, for yet another example.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm corvinus

        Hussite Wars (1400s) and the Thirty Years’ War (1600s).

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm PA

        I’m naturally obtuse and dim as fuck. Now that we got past that — the gist of my original comment was that Czechs had not been affected by the kind of disasters other Slavs had above and beyond what ALL Europeans experienced since the Bubonic Plague.

        On your non-sequitours: I did catch the reference to defenestration. it occurred on the 15th century and about twenty men were executed. Hell of an impact on the gene pool it must have had. The killings of Sudetenland Germans had no impact on the Czech gene pool, Germans and Czechs being different ethnic groups. And the 1945 geoncide of Germans impacted males and females equally.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:43 pm Greg Eliot

        You dummy… you quoted the wrong defenestration, and nobody was talking about a handful of men affecting the gene pool… if memory serves, it was a mere two that were thrown out the window in 1618 that precipitated the Thirty Years War… now, how about THAT impact on the gene pool?

        And when people speak of Czechs, they don’t often differentiate between those with strong Germanic admixture versus “pure” Slav, if such a thing exists. Indeed, Czech beauty is often because of said admixture.

        Sheesh.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:54 pm PA

        Quit digging. Czech lands were on the periphery of the Thirty year war, with casualties primarily hitting German states and Czech population losses were primarily due to expulsions of their Protestant civilian populations. What else do you have to say about the 1945 non-sequitour in which men and women were killed in even numbers?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:39 pm Judah Ben Hur

        You are correct in this debate. Czechoslovakia participated in WWI in the Austro-Hungarian forces and a few fought for the Germans in WWII but for the most part they weren’t really killed off in large numbers like the Germans or the Soviets. Although the 30 Years began and ended in Prague, most of it was fought throughout Germany and Germans were the ones who suffered most in that war. I don’t see population decline of the 17th century impacting the gene pool so greatly in the 20th. There was plenty of time for the population of central Europe to recover and grow tremendously in the meantime.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:56 pm OralCummings

        Now about that giraffe cock being slammed down on the table with the empty vodka glassess,… sheesh!

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 6:13 pm Aestian

      You’ve got a point, but that is only a part of the reason – the main reasons are genetics, diet, the competition for good men only creates the extra stuff such as more common use of make up, ultra femininity and humility. There has been terrible stuff happening to other countries, e.g., Cambodia, African countries… Czech, Polish and Nordic are just as good as Ukrainian! WW 2 ended long ago and while the consequences were felt for a long time, as well as those of the transformations in the 90s, those factors are waning but the women are still pretty. Ratios are super significant but not as much as the genes.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 8:01 pm hyperborean83

      Although I don’t entirely dismiss this theory, it seems Anthony Ludovici hit much closer to the mark in attributing the decline of beauty in western Europe to outbreeding and a resulting loss in consanguinity.

      In his essay “The Choice of a Mate” he makes a throughly convincing argument on the advantage of inbreeding and incestuous marriages (It sounds ridiculous until you read the article).

      He argues that outbreeding is like trying to build a machine out of random parts. It tends to produce a product which is disproportionate and out of sync, whereas inbreeding is like building a machine out of parts that are designed to work together.

      His theory seems to be supported by animal breeding where closely related individuals are mated in what is known as line breeding in order to pin down and isolate desirable traits.

      In the essay he mentions how the English were fabled for their beauty leading up to the industrial revolution which brought about a rapid outcrossing of the English population and a resulting decline in their physical attractiveness.

      It seems that physical attractiveness amongst white countries strongly correlates to how long they have been exposed to industrialization and the rapid outbreeding which is byproduct of it; with the western countries like England being the least attractive and the eastern Slavs, who only recently industrialized, the most attractive.

      “The Choice of a Mate” by Anthony M Ludovici.
      http://www.anthonymludovici.com/cm_1-1.htm

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 10:10 am liam

        i take it you have never heard of pikeys in England, incest most defintely doesn’t work.

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  18. on July 11, 2013 at 10:13 am zykos

    Let’s not forget that the Ukraine gave the world FEMEN. Yes, they are pretty, but watch out, and stay away from urban centers, pretty much all big cities have been contaminated.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:41 pm PA

      George Soros gave us FEMEN.

      [CH: Yeah, FEMEN is no cry of repressed Eastern feminist longing, nor is it the tip of a Slavic feminist uprising. It’s a circus sideshow funded by multinational diaspora filth like Soros.]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm Caramba

        CH,plenty of matriarchate there.Im telling you.
        Ask this guy: http://www.snob.ru/profile/27214/blog

        He is a russian heartiste (too serious though).And Ukraine is even more martiarchal than Russia

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  19. on July 11, 2013 at 10:16 am mindweapon

    My wife is Ukrainian and I spent a week in Odessa in October 2012.

    The most interesting thing to understand about Ukraine is that the facades are grimy and somewhat dilapidated, but there’s plenty of private wealth. So the roads are bad but the cars are nice. The outsides of buildings are grimy but inside the people are well supplied, clean, got the newest technology, but the internet is slow. You definitely want satellite internet.

    The biggest problem about living in Ukraine or Russia would be that if you don’t have a job, you’ll go crazy with boredom. you need to do something that makes life interesting, maybe teaching English, or working on a farm, or working for a mining or petroleum company.

    The supermarkets there have better stuff than we have here in the USA. The food is actually labed bez GMO (no genetically modified organisms) and most of it is “product of Ukraine.” Here in the USA where we are free, we are free to choose unlabeled GMO food, aren’t we lucky! Also, we bulldoze local farms because we need more housing for cheap labor immigrants and welfare people.

    So Ukraine is managed better than the USA. So what if the roads aren’t perfect and the buildings are ugly. Ordinary people are wealthier and not in debt like the USA. In the parks you see White couples, White families, White children playing. No diversity! It’s great, it’s like paradise in that sense. No mahogany mobs, no political correctness, no diversity, no affiramtive action. May it ever be thus.

    Ukrainians are like Mormons in the food storage sense. They all had months supplies of food stashed in their house quite casually. Maybe that’s a result of the trauma of the Kholodomor.

    One last thing — I am teaching someone Russian language over skype using Pimsleur Russian. We are on lesson 44 out of 90 lessons. It’s very effective. You probably could learn it just with Pimsleur, but what my student does it type out the English part and I say the English to him and he repeats the Russian back to me. If you are interested in learning Russian get in touch with me via my mindweaponsinragnarok blog.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:30 am Truth Giver

      I would loooooooooooove to have the “boredom” that freedom from a job would give me as long as I have food to eat, shelter, a Fender electric guitar, and a Fender guitar amplifier.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:54 am Us

        and a suppy of strings, plectrums, and stable electricity, of course.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:33 am Anonymous

        And some cash to upgrade to a gibson LP and a Mesa boogie

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:16 pm ldk

        fuck no bro. Telecaster and Fender ’65 Deluxe Reverb is the ultimate for tone. lozlzozllz

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm Third Beta from the Sun

        people ask if I modded out my Blues, Jr., but its just a matter of actually taking the time to set the tone. Small amps are the way to go for tone.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:10 am Scray

        lol they’re just picks, bro. “Plectrums” lol. And Gibson LP + Mega Boogie = Sludgy grunge phail. Superstrat + Cranked Marshall Plexi = Win. Bonus points if you don’t mind straight tone plagiarizing and use a Variac on the Plexi.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:42 am Jay in DC

      I was dating a bangin’ hot Hungarian for a long time and spent a month with her in Hungary, it was like walking into Utopia, you are correct. We were out an outdoor concert in Budapest at 1am with 99.9% white kids hanging out. No drama, no cops around to “control” things, etc. The Danube just flooded a month ago and instead of getting ready for some nice Katrina style looting what did the Magyar do? They all started sandbagging the river. Young, old, male and female. This is called Social Capital. The US had it long ago when we were a fairly homogenous population. That ship has sailed… but once you go to Eastern Europe it is -very- hard to get back onto that plane and come back to this dying husk.

      Hungary is worth looking into because they do not have the animosity towards Americans you get in some other EE countries. They problem is, the barrier for entry is *very* high because their language is so radically different than any other country there. Whereas you can pickup Russian, Roosh V style, and “get by” in other EE countries that will not help you in Hungary. Their women are not quite up to par w/ Ukies or Poles in my experience, but pretty close and generally less capricious, even in the cities.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 10:04 am OralCummings

        I hear Hungary has some growing “Auntie Semitizm”. So bangin hot chick or not,you gotta vamoose outta there! Fuck dem Hungarians;they dont like the JEWS?? Fuck em I say!! (sarcasm light lit)

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  20. on July 11, 2013 at 10:50 am Burton

    Matthew King…There is enough cream at the top that the fatties and NAMs can have no relevance in the white man’s life, as soon as we regain the collective will to declare it so. And if we do not regain that critical mass in our lifetimes, the individual will can carve out a comfortable niche while the war of the underclass exhausts itself — all while laying the groundwork for our sons to retake their birthright.

    Indeed.

    Question: what do you see as triggering that collective will?

    I’ve been a sometimes activist in politics, notably in men’s rights. What’s staggering is the inability of your average American guy to see how his birthright is being destroyed–much less take any action about it.

    Why is there this paralysis?

    And what can be done about it?

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 11:01 am Greg Eliot

      The problem is there’s still a McD’s and every corner and 150+ channels on the tube.

      Eliminate those scenarios and the “what can be done” question in re the paralysis will answer itself.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:10 am yeahokcool

        so… destroy private enterprise? if that’s not what you’re suggesting, what are you suggesting? how do you decide what enterprise is worthy of existing in your ideal world? these are serious questions. i’m not trying to mock you.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm Greg Eliot

        For now, I’m suggesting you go take an aviated intercourse through a motivated pastry…

        You fairy.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:54 pm yeahokcool

        typical. you and matt make for good dance partners.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:58 pm Greg Eliot

        And your inane homoerotic fantasies continue to enervate.

        Only a muh-dik dweeb such as yourself would have a first thought of railing against junk-food and junk-media culture as the equivalent of destroying private enterprise.

        Like I said, go take a flying fuck through a rolling donut… you weary me, sonny.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:07 pm yeahokcool

        no, greg. homosexuality played no part, whatsoever, in my comments. i meant that you, like matt, are dancing around my questions. indeed, you (and matt) bring up homosexuality in many, many posts. why, exactly? i understand that you’re trying to shame me, but why this particular shaming device? aren’t you witty enough to come up with something else other than “SHUT UP FAG?” do you actually think i’m a fag? or is everyone who isn’t you a fag?

        in case you’re too dense to understand, let me spell it out for you: i am challenging you to tell me, practically, how to accomplish your goals. any of them. in truth, i believe that your comments are hyperbolic fantasy and you are not connected to the real world. prove me wrong. tell me how you plan to eliminate mcdonalds and cable tv. tell me how you believe the white nationalist revolution will become anything more than a fringe group of disaffected, (largely) lower economic class whites.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:31 pm Greg Eliot

        If there were one scintilla of past evidence that you actually cared about such information (to wit, by your very own words in even this subthread: in truth, i believe that your comments are hyperbolic fantasy and you are not connected to the real world.), rather than blowing your usual Chomsky smoke through “EXPLAIN YOURSELF!” internet debate tactics, I would regale you with strategy and tactics a-plenty… your first assignment might be something merely entertaining, like reading a few of the Harald Covington novels about the Pacific Northwest. Later, more meat in due season, for those with ears to hear… and a heart to hold faith.

        And don’t play coy with your “no homo meant” bullshit… “dancing partners” and the usual “servicing” jibes, every time a man defends a bro whom he respects.

        As far as your “challenge” and “prove me wrong” demands, well… a laughable request. for one who allegedly has mastered the techniques of “frame”.

        Mockery is the answer you merit, and which you often get… and that in spades… from both myself and Matt.

        Take a page from your Ya-Ya sisterhood of the traveling can’t-keep-it-in-mah-pants… and at least try to act like you don’t care what I think.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:19 am yeahokcool

        ok. will anything that i say convince you that i’m sincerely interested in hearing you explain your worldview? i am fascinated in how you are able to live in your mental space. again, i assume you are deluded, but i could be wrong. i am a reasonable man. open to logical appeals. i have been proven wrong many times before. i assume it will happen again in the future.

        let me put it this way: if you can present me cogent, reasonable argument for how you would practically accomplish your goals, i will never post here again. how’s them for stakes?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:23 am Greg Eliot

        i am fascinated in how you are able to live in your mental space. again, i assume you are deluded,

        You are not fascinated… your are still on the South Park Snark Trail.

        One thing you should understand about WN… the time is past for any hollow internet debate victories… we’re not here to convince our outright enemies or SWPL bemused bernakified butthexters of our right to existence and a future for white children.

        Some individual “goals” are plain enough to see, beginning with bringing children into the world and provided a safe and stable home for one’s woman and offspring… file that one under “DUH!”

        If you’re looking something more along the lines of realpolitik, as previously mentioned, check out some of the Covington novels for a glimpse of possible scenarios.

        History itself shows many lessons in a people’s struggle for the own homeland.

        Most importantly, trust in God’s Plan and His promises… nothing will be accomplished without Him foremost in mind.

        These are things I’ve said, often with elaboration, many times in the past.

        I have no reason now to think that the seeds will bear fruit with yourself or some of the others around here… the soil remains barren.

        And as far as “stakes” in re you not posting any longer, well… the fact that you think that’s any sort of significant wager merely displays (yet again) your paltry definition of manhood.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:40 am yeahokcool

        do you understand the concept of stakes, greg? in this particular scenario, you have nothing to lose other than the time you would spend describing the steps you would take to change the world into a WN paradise. and, by doing so, you could rid yourself of me (your apparent enemy). and, if you truly believe in this idea, if you’re as smart as you insist that you are, you should be able to describe it to me. everything to gain; nothing to lose.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 4:37 pm Greg Eliot

        I stopped reading after you flattered yourself as my “enemy”… an annoying fly buzzing about is not my enemy… hence, neither be you.

        I well, however, admit to being a bit of a fool, in bandying words overlong with just another bernakified butthexter… giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not merely just another muh-dik ook-eeker.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:03 pm Matthew King

        I see more whites cutting the cable and abandoning the n!gger chow halls every day.

        We’ve been corrupted, but we also have eyes and brains.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:28 pm Matthew

        The hard part will be to get white churchians to abandon their universalism uber alles.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:41 am Matthew King

        The universalism is Christianity without the Christ, which is not just an innocuous, happy-minded elision (as liberals like GBFM and his half-baked recommendation of Jefferson’s bible treat it) but an apocalyptic catastrophe. An inversion of the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Literally satanic.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:51 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozo i saw king matthew out walking with his boyfirendz!!!!

        zlozozolzozolzoz

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:14 am Matthew King

        Borrowed wit. Evasive. All hat and no cattle. Promoting a list of books you never read but whose titles you skimmed and Wikipedia entries you glossed. A lazy plagiarist for an ADHD audience. A Down-syndrome Mortimer Adler for the Jersey-Shore JêwTube era. A walking, mouth-breathing Idiot’s Guide to the Canon for Dummies. A ctrl-C-ctrl-V addict. You give the greats a bad name. Your ignorance mocks them.

        But as long as CH wants an amusing pet at his court — like Caligula and Incitatus — you’re free to pretend your encrypted mediocrity gives you license to interrupt the conversations between men with your fart-joke of an intellect.

        Matt

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm Matthew

        From Chesterton’s introduction to The Everlasting Man

        There are two ways of getting home; and one of them is to stay there. The other is to walk round the whole world till we come back to the same place; and I tried to trace such a journey in a story I once wrote. It is, however, a relief to turn from that topic to another story that I never wrote. Like every book I never wrote, it is by far the best book I have ever written. It is only too probable that I shall never write it, so I will use it symbolically here; for it was a symbol of the same truth. I conceived it as a romance of those vast valleys with sloping sides, like those along which the ancient White Horses of Wessex are scrawled along the flanks of the “‘hills. It concerned some boy whose farm or cottage stood on such a slope, and who went on his travels to find something, such as the effigy and grave of some giant; and when he was -far enough from home he looked back and saw that his own “farm and kitchen-garden, shining flat on the hill-side like the colours and quarterings of a shield, werre but parts of some such gigantic figure, on which he had always lived, but which was too large and too close to be seen.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:53 am Matthew King

        Without the Christ, equality before God and “all men are created equal” necessarily must devolve into equality before manmade law, or a violently forced, artificial equality of all men at the expense of truth. “Created equal” becomes “pretended equal” in the face of all evidence. Equality of result means equality of misery, destroying virtue to establish a godless, uniform mediocrity.

        Mary took a pound of costly ointment of pure nard and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the ointment.

        But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was to betray him), said, “Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?”

        This he said, not that he cared for the poor but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box he used to take what was put into it.

        Jesus said, “Let her alone, let her keep it for the day of my burial. The poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me.”

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 1:01 pm Matthew King

      [W]hat do you see as triggering that collective will?

      The first whiff of true catastrophe. This death-by-a-thousand-cuts trajectory we are on is the only way we lose. And when we lose, they lose harder, because they are living off our abandoned capital.

      Some wag in a comment here long ago put it perfectly: when we have separated ourselves from their dysfunction, they will not maintain our achievements, they will “bang sticks up against the decrepit nuclear cooling towers in a bid to summon the white gods to return” a couple generations in (paraphrase from memory).

      Leave-me-alone bourgeois whites are slowly coming to grips with the need for quarantine in this end-times age of Obama.

      Keep in mind, this has nothing to do with the mainstream consciousness or achieving majority consent or the zeitgeist. Those phenomena turn on a dime, following the movements of great men like leashed dogs respond to a tug. The concerted effort of top-five percentile “alpha” is all the lever we will require. Despair is our sole enemy. And our soul enemy. (That pun’s for Greg.)

      I have moderate hopes for the post-Trayvon™ riots.

      Matt

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:54 pm Greg Eliot

        I have moderate hopes for the post-Trayvon™ riots.

        I have it on good authority that many municipalities are renting vans from U-Haul and filling them with basketballs… to be dispersed, like so many depth-charges, amidst the street crowds within minutes of the verdict announcement.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm cryo

        Kahl Muhlone like duh play duh bakkaba

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 7:56 am Matthew King

        I laughed so hard at this I could feel an aneurysm coming on. Good times good times.

        From the Totally Tasteless Jokebook (like samizdat in today’s faggot age):

        “How do you prevent five [coloured gentlemen] from raping a white woman?”

        “Throw them a basketball.”

        Old but evergreen.

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  21. on July 11, 2013 at 11:00 am Marco

    I’m thinking Mexico, more of a warm weather guy personally.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 11:35 am Anonymous

      To many mexicans

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:21 pm corvinus

      Fatassery is actually worse there than here now.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:56 pm Uncle Elmer

        But prostitution is legal. See my Spearhead essay “A Trip to the Brothel”.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm Greg Eliot

        Geez, your heart may be in the right place, but your schwanz is multi-kulti.

        You avuncular fairy. 😉

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 11:27 am Uncle Elmer

        Actually, my schwanz is in Zenith, Ohio, prepping for the riots.

        Thanks for “avuncular” though; will add to my repertoire.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:19 pm Anonymous age 71

        I live here in Mexico, and there are a lot of fatties. But, in the rural areas there are a number of families who eat the traditional diet, and the girls are incredibly attractive. Along with the fatties. Just don’t take up with a fattie and you will be alright.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:26 pm Subway Masturbator

        Hey Mr. 71, any tips for a white, well-preserved geezer like me that wants a hawt young Mexican wife? Regions, cities…? Thx.

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  22. on July 11, 2013 at 11:12 am Four Aces

    Hasn’t roosh written that Ukraine is pretty awful for cold-approach? I understood Russia was supposed to be much better.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:07 pm Anonymous

      Sadly true. Cold approaching is harder than anywhere in the USA in terms of the number who will coldly assume it’s OK to ignore a man and keep walking. You have to spit game more there. Married women can really be cold. They are super loyal to husbands and often feel they don’t even need to talk to another man.

      This is how traditional conservative countries apparently are. At least you can be more sure the wife you get won’t want to talk to other men so much.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm YaReally

        “At least you can be more sure the wife you get won’t want to talk to other men so much.”

        Whew, that’s reassuring. For a minute there I was worried I’d have to strive to grow and become a quality man that has higher value in her eyes than other men to keep her. I’m so glad I can continue to be a value-taking insecure piece of shit lurking in the shadows like Gollum coddling my preciousssssss…lol

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:34 pm immoralgables

        YaReally.

        Off-tangent but do you have anything similar to RSD’s The Blueprint Decoded that you may recommend. I finished it up (the audiotapes) last week and it was excellent.

        I’m looking for something similar to compliment my half hour commutes to and from work.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm YaReally

        Man, props on making it thru Blueprint lol. There isn’t much out there that goes as deep into psychology and social dynamics/conditioning than Blueprint. I loved it, but it’s definitely not mandatory for learning pickup, it’s for the analytical types who just enjoy delving in deep.

        On a side note, if you liked it, listen to it again in 6 months or a year. If you’ve been progressing, you’ll find you take new things out of it that weren’t relevant to you the first time you listened to it. I watch it like once a year and still find new things where I’m like “ohhh ya, shit, I get that, that’s like that thing I ran into earlier this year that I hadn’t run into before…”

        Most other seminars are highly game focused, but if you don’t mind getting your audio off YouTube I recommend basically everything on the RSD YouTube channels (RSDTyler, RSDJulien, RSDBrad, RSDfreetour, julienfreetour, etc.). Also there are some good seminars at the “21 Convention” on YouTube, but the topics vary pretty wildly so you kind of have to figure out what topic you want to listen to because they talk about more than just pickup, like lifestyle and health and exercise and making money etc.

        RSD Foundations is good and Julien’s Manifesto on YouTube both basically cover all you need for outer-game. But like I say, I’m a big fan of the free content RSD is putting out lately.

        Oh and Brad from RSD just put out a program (Evolutions), but I haven’t listened to it so I’m not sure what it’s like…I don’t really relate to Brad’s vibe (or Alexanders), but if those guys click for you it could be worth checking out.

        Also the oldschool Mystery Method DVDs are on YouTube (search for “Mystery Method – Volume 1 Part 1” and go from there) and they’re as solid as they ever were…even tho the tech/routines are a little dated, the concepts underlying them are solid. On that same note, David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating is a good seminar too.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:39 pm immoralgables

        Wow (just wow) that was exactly the answer I was looking for thanks so much man.

        Damn.

        Regarding listening to the Blueprint 6 months from now. One thing I have to say, is that if I listened to the Blueprint 6 months or a year AGO, it would not have made the same impact on me.

        Going out and really trying to understand social dynamics and apply them to not just girls but social circles, work, day-to-day interactions really made the Blueprint more effective to me. I wouldn’t say that a noob HAS to go out to appreciate it, but you’re not going to be able to take Tyler’s speeches and apply them to yourself on a personal level unless you’ve done a good amount of going out and approaching.

        That’s my take. I don’t know where to take it from here but I think I’m going to give either the Mystery Method or Julian’s Manifesto a try because I want to get down a good foundation of outer-game and some old-school stuff down.

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  23. on July 11, 2013 at 11:36 am bigdickeddeadgordon

    Ukrainian woman are the most beautiful in the world. That Dakota Rose girl on Youtube, Mena Suvari, and Traci Lords are all of Ukrainian ancestry. Mind you, I’m pretty sure the Ukraine has pretty high rate of HIV/AIDS, so you’ve got to keep your meat wrapped, which is a dying shame really, with a woman so pretty.

    [CH: It’s like being the designated driver on a Bordeaux wine tasting trip. You can sip, but you must spit.]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:11 pm Jochen Peiper

      Ukrainian women are generally not that promiscuous. Throw your PUA rule book on when to screw out the window when you’re over there. AIDS and other STDs were non-existent in my experience with anyone I was interested in sleeping with.

      [CH: Yes, my experience with them is that Ukrainian and to a lesser extent Russian women are not promiscuous. They dig LTRs. But they are ruthless in enforcing by female fiat the alpha standard they expect their lovers to abide.]

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:29 pm Jochen Peiper

        I agree, they want and expect a man and especially good husband material. I periodically go R.Lee Ermey through the house to maintain a small level of fear and drama. A terse and laconic “you have failed me” also goes far. Mostly, its the usual push pull, mild teasing. You can’t be a sniveling beta at all with them. They expect a man in the old school sense of the word. As I put it, a leader, not a boss. Basically STDs are in the domain of the underclass men and the women who sleep with them and I won’t have anything to do with trashy people of poor character. If you’re good with girls here, you will be better there. Just open with do you speak English? Especially near a university. There are loads of people looking to practice English with a native speaker.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:10 pm Caramba

        I studied in a uni in Ukraine and i d say 1/3 of girls back than were very promiscous,other 2/3 just normal.

        But in general yes,there is no point for a Ukrainian to be openly promiscous,it destroys the chances of milking a beta.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:13 pm Anonymous

      Possibly a big lie. I went into a relatively high end private hospital that was outside the public health system (free system isn’t worth going to).

      I asked the nurses at one point what percentage of blood came back positive for HIV (AIDS is called speed in Russian).

      They said 1 patient in 1000 tests was positive.

      They said a young man’s mother had gotten concerned about his needle use for heroin and his extreme loss in weight. She decided to pay for a high end test to know once and for all so they went to this clinic.

      The nurses said it was obvious before the test from looking at him that he was dying of AIDS and why.

      It’s probably for a political reason that they said a few years ago that the rate is 17%.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm Matthew King

      Dakota Rose = very good Jap-aesthetic photoshop

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 6:31 pm bigdickeddeadgordon

        No, there are videos of her talking and giving make-up tutorials on Youtube. If there is some type of air-brushing or distortion going on, it would have to be “videoshop” rather than photoshop.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:37 am Matthew King

        The fabricated videos were taken down because there was a brigade of investigators putting her under a microscope. Google it.

        She’s pretty, but her eyes are impossible. If you want to see the largest possible eye-to-skull ratio while still being a non-infant human, look at Emilia Clarke.

        [CH: That chick is drenched in estrogen. *sproing* ]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 4:04 pm Tom the Democrat

      The best way to avoid getting AIDS in the Ukraine is to not let a man fuck you in the ass there.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:25 pm cryo

        Listen to Tommy, he has field experience.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:32 pm Matthew

        Or if you absolutely must, do without the poppers.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm nsjaikumar@hotmail.com

      Mena Suvari’s Estonian, I believe.

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  24. on July 11, 2013 at 11:55 am Anonymous

    Being an Asian male, very few white girls are very susceptible to my game.

    Eastern European women are, for some reason, more receptive to my charms. Sometimes all I gotta do is look at them and they wave or smile, then boom!

    I call this the “Genghis Khan effect” (the dude IS the ultimate Alpha)

    INB4 race-mixing/interracial dating butthurt

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm yeahokcool

      Your personal experience matches up with what I’ve personally witnessed. However, I believe “foreign” chicks – but particularly Russians, etc. – are GENERALLY more open to interracial dating (including blacks). Could be the Genghis Khan effect, or it could be pure novelty of the experience.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:10 pm Son of the Khan

        No no. The recent Eastern European girl I dated (Romanian) HATES black people, I think her and her social circle all do, all FOBs. Like she would actively avoid them. I used to tease her about being a racist.

        Me: “You dont know about the struggle!”
        Her: “LOL OMG anon, you are not black! Ur Asian! :P”
        Her: “*puking emoticon* ewww black”
        Me: “racist!”

        lulz were had

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm yeahokcool

        oh, ok. you had one girlfriend who told you what you wanted to hear so i have no idea what i’m talking about. fair enough, bro.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm Scray

        The white girls who don’t care about race won’t bring it up until way late in the game (like after you’ve slept together)

        The white girls who are attracted to you but DO care about race WILL find ANY excuse to differentiate you from the races they don’t like and they will do so quick in da PU —> ‘so wat are you’ ‘o wow…you don’t look black you look like some other respectable ethnicity x’ ‘you don’t sound black’ ‘blah blah blah’

        The white girls who are attracted to you and REALLY care about race WILL act VERY STRANGELY toward you —> like extreme verbal hostility and talking about weird topics about blacks, n-word, weird shit while AT THE SAME TIME throwing out weird kino, compliments ‘…i mean, you’re beautiful, but…’ srs. it’s very uncomfortable.

        The white girls who aren’t attracted to you and care about race —> lol who fucking cares, you weren’t in the race to begin with.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 7:11 am Son of the Khan

        ” ‘…i mean, you’re beautiful, but…’ ”

        Tell me, when a girl tells you;

        “You look good for an Asian guy”

        o_O what do you do?

        Also; Anime girls, anime girls everywhere! Not complaining, except most of those weaboos are fat.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm Scray

        She could be either tooling you or shit testing you. IME, the difference between the two is almost irrelevant if you “pass.” In the former case, it’s a pleasant surprise for her that puts you on the radar, and in the latter case….it builds more attraction.

        “You look good for an asian guy.”

        “Thanks, you too.” grin. Treating it like a shit test and playing back.

        “Hold that thought, I’m gonna go take a shit.” Hard, hard DQ — walk away even. Stuff like this is best in the ‘tooling’ scenario. If any girl tools me by trying to get me to qualify (backhanded compliment) the answer is almost always a HARD DQ to show her her opinion doesn’t mean shit to me.

        “Bitch, please.” while running hand through hair, flexing muscles, etc. etc.. This is the highest risk/reward. I can only pull stuff like this off when I’m in state. Like, the words are cocky, but the nonverbals are funny….you have to commit to them tho. It’s extremely effective when deployed correctly against an insult.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 8:18 pm Jay in DC

        You are a nigger. I know this how over the internet? 1) You produce fantasy that does NOT support reality in spite of ALL FUCKING EMPIRICAL evidence to the contrary. Your liberal SWPL White Handlers are experts at this, as you damn well know. 2) EEs and Russians find Africans particularly abhorrent. I know this why? a) I’ve dated and fucked a few, and b) I have traveled far and wide and have seen how low IQ monkeys are treated abroad in lands where PC means “personal computer” you fucking ape. The only niggers I saw in Eastern Europe were mainly of Carribean or West African origin and like any good and stable society, they were a minority <2% and knew their place.

        Are you really posting this? Any chick east of Austria looks at you the way Japanese and most Asians do, like the missing link beasts you are… GTFO.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:25 pm Subway Masturbator

        Why, how CHARMING you are Jay in DC. I’m sure the black dude that offered his interesting opinion on reading white women’s responses to him really feels wonderful now. Aren’t you a ruff, tuff, guy, Jay in DC!! Kick them when they’re down; hell, kick ANYONE you can get away with if it will make you feel better. You show ’em!

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:31 am yeahokcool

        he’s charming and wrong. i guess i should sign all my messages: /whiteperson or -yeahokcool (a real, live white person) just for clarity. in any event, i’ve personally seen a lot of foreigner chicks out with black dudes. i speculated it might be because they don’t have exposure to them in their native lands other than through western media glorification (i.e., the novelty factor).

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 6:49 pm Jay in DC

        You are almost right… I am no longer a ruff, tuff, guy. I am now just like you… an anonymous poster on a website. But, if you’ve learned about me long enough, you have not, anywhere on the interwebs you would discover this— I use to, for FUN and PROFIT, get paid to “correct” niggers. Sadly, it is a soul draining activity in spite of the absurdity of being a European who is allowed to still strike African Apes with no recourse.

        Sadly, I got older and more jaded. So those days are over…. so now I just get older and fatter, trolling message boards. It is the way of things I suppose… but I’m still willing to pummel you if you pay me in spite of being almost a decade out of that role. ❤ ❤

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:33 pm Matthew

        Also, because of the poor quality of his trolling. Socialkenny has an SD up on this guy.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 11:02 pm yeahokcool

        Uh, what? I literally belong to a club that only admits white people. I’m not going to get into a statistical debate with you nerds. I do not know the statistics. Please read my comment: it was an anecdotal observation. Jesus Christ, chill the fuck out.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm Matthew

        Socialkenny’s trolling ROI is much larger than yours. See how you qualified and used a lot of words?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm yeahokcool

        wtf lol TRMV BRB Kthxbi

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 6:42 am Scray

        this is me, lmao at phaggot.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:22 pm Pete

        Wrong. Russian girls are very into being Russian. They state clearly on the dating sites that they are European and only want European/Slavic men. Many write stating no caucasians, or no kazaks, or no muslims. (Whites are Europeans not Caucasians in Russia – Caucasians are Armenians, Georgians and the like.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm Anon

      Dear colored fellows: say NO to genocide. Stop dreaming of white women.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:12 pm Son of the Khan

        “Stop dreaming of white women.”

        I did stop.

        I start banging them now. Back to Stormfront with you.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:25 pm Anon

        Anybody on the internet can say they bang imaginary girls. Nobody believes them. Say NO to genocide. Stop dreaming about white women.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:07 pm Greg Eliot

        Asking darkies to not dream about the whaayt wimmens is like asking mongrel junkyard dogs to avoid lifting their snouts towards Outback.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:09 pm CH

        This is the inflection point past which the comment thread spirals downward into unreadable trash. Heavy sigh, guys, heavy sigh.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:22 pm Scray

        he said, one hand wrapped round his turgid yet tiny shaft.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:37 pm Greg Eliot

        Ah, yes… what would a thread be without those stalwart PUAs… those Lockinvars of the bedroom… who rail against the Cathedral’s feminist mores at every opportunity… resorting to the usual suspect Cathedral “small-dicked/just jealous” litany.

        The muh-dik ookers and eekers never fail to, well… ook and eek.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:53 pm Scray

        I just wanted to get us back on-topic: muh-dick railing.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm Greg Eliot

        Good to know your motive was task-at-hand oriented. lulz

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 6:12 pm Scray

        =^_^= that’s a cat, Greg.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 1:57 am Natural

      It’s not the “Ghengis Khan effect” (unless you’re a real warrior – and amongst people who love mongols – most don’t unless they’re a related people and aware of it ie. Turks for example).

      It’s the Ghenhgis Khan DESCENT. They think you’re cute because they have asian (mongol) ancestors.

      And if you’re a North Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean an actual Mongol/Central Asian) it’s cool – but you’ve also gotta respect the relation.. If you’re Vietnamese etc. (Jungle dweller) than you’re stomping around in shoes that are a little too big for you – and don’t forget as demonstrated by our Russian friend Okroshka below MEN have mongol genes too… (not very fortunate for you if you don’t – and get caught by them..)

      (And for what it’s worth I’d laugh my ass off if some of these western silken lads planning the invasion of the Ukraine found themsleves on the wrong side of some locals in a Ukranian village (as city dwellers in most countryes are generally weak, degenerate scum – different story out in the hills) – the police would find their bodyes eventually..(and mighty as some western whiteys might be – you tend to do things individually and have an aversion to sacrifices – most other peoples including those in the east do things in PACKS, and don’t mind a little wound or two)

      “INB4 race-mixing/interracial dating butthurt”

      Well what real man isn’t butthurt by racemixing – if you’re not “butthurt” by racemixing or your love cheating on you, or finding out she had 200 former partners, or riding some weird looking fellow human (ie green with strange skin diseases) from somewhere else you’re not a real man – of course you can’t blame the darker races for sniffing towards white women (perceived (or rather inculcated) racial inferiority also plays a role here – ie. status symbol/sense of achievement), and whites looking to make up the difference by looking to saner eastern women either – but anyone who’s cool knows it’s not right, and etc…

      ” pure novelty of the experience.”

      Yup fleabitten urban sluts who’ve had all the local dick, and half the street sweepers too, will want something new for dick number 450 – other case they’re too f.cked out to enjoy regular men and want something extra size.. Or are hoping to catch somebody stable – since locals don’t want them because of their past.

      The extra size is on the other hand a deterrent for regular women because unlike some western women who are already cavernous (or don’t give a shit because their men are already their slaves) – they won’t want to have themsleves messed up internally. (they know if they’re too loose men will dump them and not marry them – they will never have a family and probably won’t have kids either since single women in EE can’t support kids as singles) (besides the normal sexual dislike of weird foreign people (I say sexual dislike because people like you – well depending on your personality, they just don’t like you that personally))

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:36 am Son of the Khan

        “Well what real man isn’t butthurt by racemixing – if you’re not “butthurt” by….”

        Ok I am confused now, racemixing =/= sluttiness. We know women who stick with their own race and are still slutty as they can be. And some of us did grow up in a diverse environment where we are used to seeing such things that we dont really talk about it/care until we discover it being a topic on the internet. Just saying.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 7:15 am cynthia

      Asian? That’s easy; most Asian men are short and/or slightly effeminate in appearance. Han Chinese men – taller, more stereotypically masculine in appearance – are more visually attractive. If you’re Japanese or Southeast Asian, you’re probably going to have a more difficult time with things, but I’d have to imagine the right frame could overcome the appearance obstacle. That being said, every woman’s got a different tolerance for interracial dating (although we’d never admit it to our SWPL friends) and I don’t think too many of us have much experience with dating Asian-Americans generally, so that may be working against you.

      Or you treat white women like you’d treat a girl of your own nationality. Don’t do that! Most white women are not going to respond to the kind of game that works on Asian women. Crosses the line from desirable aloof alpha into abusive bastard territory (in our feminist-soaked eyeballs) pretty fast.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:33 am Son of the Khan

        Oh cynthia, I am Southeast Asian, (Island variation) but for some reason I am taller, can grow a beard (though patchy) and have a Hispanic last name.

        And as white women from the past told me;

        “You look good for an Asian guy” or variations thereof like they meant it as a compliment, or that the more I dont look Asian the better.

        I replied with “yeah” and “I know” and one time after reading CH I just sort of turned around and pretend I didnt hear anything.

        how did I do?

        p.s. What you are talking about is LTR game where the whole misogynistic Asian man really comes out

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 11:21 pm Scray

        dude why are you wasting time with these phaggots (srs a dude up there is talking about real warriors)? the bitterness bleeds from the words they write. you’re already better. let them be, my dudebro.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 1:06 am Natural

        A real warrior – yeah – a real kick-ass guy – a wakin’ takin tank. worth the name – Khan. Not a fake- wannabee Khan.

        IF you meant me by a “dude up there”….can have just any guy off a boat call himself a Khan.

        And for what it’s worth there are some real warriors in central asia in the literal sense.

        Ah yes – I’m extremely bitter.. my words bleed it LOL.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 12:41 am Natural

        Nope, women who stick to their own race are not always slutty, mixers in a normal society are always slutty. In a NORMAL society (one race normal – in latin america for example normal might be different) sluts who have a shred of decency have limits to whom they will be sluts with – those who have no limits and slop over all kinds of strange foreign dudes are the absolute bottom of the barrel. (though not necessarily ugly as such – at least with their clothes on – they might be nasty without them)

        In the US and other messed up countries racemixing has become mainstream and acceptable (with some unexpected and suprising consequences) here the situation may be slightly different… under such circumstances racemixers may not necessarily be sluts – but merely have a different malfunction (usually dumb, shallow, fashion-crazy, (social and political fashion crazy – those are fashions too), no sense of loyalty or ethics, and extremely selfish – dirtbags of a different sort)

        Still a different case in Latin American countries, and some other places (maybe where you come from) where mixing has already taken place to some degree – and race is not really a factor. (because everyone is mixed already)

        “we dont really talk about it/care”

        Well people who don’t lose from it don’t care. You seem to care.

        Question is what you have a problem with – western men messing with your women in which case it’s understandable, or others not letting you “climb into their boat”. In which case it’s like being upset that your neighbor is not letting you have access to his bank account, live in his living room, rummage around in his fridge, and pork his wife whenever you feel like it.

        Me personally when I found out I was different than westerners (east european of central asian extraction) I stopped dating their women for about ooh 5 years (didn’t want to be a hypocrite – and do things I don’t like others doing) – but than I found out they have been mail order brideing in my neck of the woods and considering that, I saw no need to live like a monk – (you stay off my lawn I’ll stay off yours – but if you don’t – well.. thanks for opening the city gates for us..).

        “I am Southeast Asian, (Island variation)”

        Hmmm kinda figured that from putting on the good Khan’s cloak – north asians would rarely impersonate a Khan (they have their own nationality their proud of), and as for real mongols – being a mongol is plenty enough.

        “Han Chinese men – taller, more stereotypically masculine in appearance – are more visually attractive. If you’re Japanese or Southeast Asian, you’re probably going to have a more difficult time with things, but I’d have to imagine the right frame could overcome the appearance obstacle.”

        Nooope – Han Chinese, Central Asians, Japanese, Koreans are roughly the same size (two varietyes the short stocky, and the slightly taller skinny). Though there’s a lot of variety amongst the Chinese – since China has a lot of regions. But generally the Han Chinese (or rather general mongoloid) body type which is a pleasantly uniform short, agile, strong, and barrel-chested is the most common to all. Japanese in fact tend to grow a tad taller (ex. sumo wrestlers). The biggest mothers in asia are the mongols – do a search on some mongolian wrestlers. Some of those guys would barely fit through a door.

        South Asians – I’m not an expert on them – though Philippinos have spanish influences.

        Though yup asians, asiatics are (ahhh don’t say feminine..) in general. (not so much physically – it’s the gene/pheromone/vibe thing) And with different races than white – it’s a question of vibe (black dudes have a masculine vibe – we generally don’t), and (social) fashion. Once again blacks and to a lesser case latinos are in-vogue (they get lots of help from the good people in the media) – asian dudes are not.. (though I do have some advantages in the vibe arena when I’m in the mood – but that’s a personal thing)

        “Or you treat white women like you’d treat a girl of your own nationality.”

        Well you’re assuming people from other places treat women badly – which they don’t, not even the reviled muslims, or the poorly regarded africans.. well some do (like the albanians) but not all..

        And uh what is “asian game” aren’t you supposed to treat them nice or something, make em laugh, and send them cute anime thingyes? – I don’t know, I never really dated any east-asian girls..

        Though it is good advice.. because although women are treated nicely all over eastern europe (well mostly) (or not – depending) – being a throw-back to the good-old days I do tend to be too brazen (or conversely too careful after instances where I wile-e coyote too badly) – BUT I’m not going to take your advice, because I enjoy being who I am.. aand once in a great while it works (and I really don’t care weather it works or not – I just mess with women for fun) .. soooo… learn to like it.. 🙂

        Aaand – really – white western women are a headache.. they have too many f.king problems.. despite their sometimes nice appearance, way overrated, they make you work too hard to get in their enwidened cavern (well there are good girls but that’s a lot more jumping thorugh hoops) – and have the personality of selfish cardboard fish.. (I don’t even bother with them anymore unless they are grinning at me and stuff – or are real nice and obviously attracted)

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 11:42 am cynthia

        Seriously, dude, have you ever been to Asia? There is a world of difference between the Han and the Japanese. Koreans are somewhere in the middle. There are SOME Chinese guys that fit the more masculine tastes of western women (and from what I’ve seen, they’re generally taller than the Japanese). There are almost NO Japanese guys that do. Sumo wrestlers or not. Most Japanese men under the age of forty look incredibly gay, actually – I think it has to do with the amount of soy in their diets, or the fact that men in Tokyo literally carry purses, but that’s neither here nor there.

        Western men treat women a lot different than Asian men treat Asian women. Call it supplicating beta syndrome, but guys raised in the feminist west are a world apart from those who aren’t. American guys expect to share the load – raising kids, making dinner, etc. Asian men expect their woman to do everything, and often end up treating them like shit. It has nothing to do with texting emoji. Of course, Asian female game is a lot different from Westen female game as well, and they can be just as beastly to their significant other. Regional and cultural differences carry over into relationships as well.

        Asian women like white American men for one of two reasons: they like the size of your cock, or they want to be treated like a white woman in a relationship. Asian women who are fucking black guys are definitely outside acceptable cultural norms (black Africans are one step up from monkeys for a lot of East Asians). In general, I’ve found that foreign men who chase with white women are of the opinion that we’re whores; never met a foreign man who thought American women were more beautiful than his own. Can’t speak the OP’s reasons, though.

        Personally, after seeing the hell that is a mixed-race, mixed-culture family, I would never marry (or breed with) anybody who wasn’t white, and from the Anglosphere. There are a lot of problems, ethnic differences in the children’s appearances being only the tip of a very big iceberg. I know a lot of guys who regret marrying outside their culture. Other problems aside, I’d consider Chinese or Filipino background in a guy (but I’ll admit, I went on a couple of dates with somebody I thought was Filipino, but cut it off after I found out he was Mexican). Works for some people, not for others.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm goodspeed

        “Western men treat women a lot different than Asian men treat Asian women. Call it supplicating beta syndrome, but guys raised in the feminist west are a world apart from those who aren’t. American guys expect to share the load – raising kids, making dinner, etc.”
        Does this even work on Asian girls? All Ive heard and read tells me that beta guys who try to go that route still face the same fate as beta guys with Western women, ie. sexless and unhappy marriage.

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      • on July 14, 2013 at 9:35 am cynthia

        @goodspeed

        I have no idea, honestly. The Japanese girls who will fuck and marry Western men are not representative of their general demographic. Some of them may be looking for a Western beta specifically because he won’t treat them like shit. Others might just be looking for a ticket out.

        Asian women are, by American standards, insane. Relationships normally get fucked once the kids come along. Trying to raise children in a home with two wildly divergent cultural backgrounds is a recipe for disaster. Out of the guys I know with Japanese wives, I can’t think of anyone who is happy after the ten year mark. Women are women; marrying outside your culture puts the man at an even more severe disadvantage, IMHO. At least you know how an American woman operates.

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  25. on July 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm Anonymous

    Comments are good. Important to note that the Internet is now fast there and the big downside to that is teenage women have now, because of fast streaming of pirated dubbed material, seen every episode of One Tree Hill, Sex and the City and Gossip Girl as well as more pirated, streamed Hollywood films than the average AW gets to see. As a result, feminist and socialist ideas are more rapidly starting to take hold and the advantage of that country for American men may disappear in another five to ten years.

    Do NOT wait until retirement, at 40 or otherwise, to go there. The advantage on feminism may not hold. FEMEN is not yet popular with women but the fact they exist is troubling. Women who speak english are more likely to hate men or be socialist, which shows they have been reading english language propaganda more. So learn the language.

    Do not go to the country if you want someone sophisticated and outgoing and whose Facebook profile is interesting to read. You can get into some great sexual relationships where, when she stops looking nice, there is nothing more that you have in common.

    The economy is getting better and better. There are a lot of “patriots” who make a point of letting foreigners know they are not interested in foreigners. This is more true of those who mainly speak Ukrainian instead of Russian. There are some elitist girls from Russian-speaking areas who make a point of flaunting their Ukrainian language abilities and western Ukrainian friends. They are more likely to be anti-foreigner or to make a show of gathering foreigner friends while looking for the ideal Ukrainian speaking local man their own age.

    There’s almost nobody under 25 registering at the marriage agencies anymore. The photos you see are outdated. Believe me, you won’t want to see what some of them really look like now. If I were mean, I’d set up a site to show this. Most agencies will shut down in the next 5 years unless, like Anastasia, they make it obvious that the women are being paid to date you. Foreign beta males have no chance there. They know it know which is why the agencies are shutting down.

    Slavic parents are actually less inclined to accept age differences in dating than say, California liberal parents in LA or San Francisco. It seemed otherwise when the economy was worse and there was less patriotism. You may very well date a woman who won’t introduce you to her parents for awhile. A lot of women, especially in the country, truly prefer to date lower class local country men, saying they’d rather someone like that their own age than a foreigner over 30, although some might sleep with you for cash if you know how to discretely ask.

    But it’s still better than the USA in that the women are conservative and family minded. They mostly know to get married by age 22. This means, if they consider you and decide to date you, you will be dating someone a lot younger than you would have been dating in the USA.

    So, if my report above came across as negative, this last point more than makes up for all the previous negative points. You will need to be an alpha there, but the women you date will be hotter and younger if you are at least upper beta.

    And corruption is sometimes a feature, not a bug.

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  26. on July 11, 2013 at 12:10 pm V

    thoughts on iceland?

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm corvinus

      Generally regarded as superior to Norway or Sweden. I guess because the girls have a more small-town attitude, because even Reykjavik is small (pop. 100k, metro 200k).

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  27. on July 11, 2013 at 1:04 pm Big Bill

    Can I get an “Amen!”, Gentlemen? Back in the day, the cognoscenti among young American seamen eagerly awaited a berth on grain ships bound for Odessa and Novorossiysk. Thirty-six years ago I saw Odessa for the last time as a member of the black gang on a Maritime Overseas tanker filled with wheat. I would hang out in Interclub (located in the gorgeous pre-Soviet Odessa Stock Exchange), and chat up the beautiful, skinny, feminine, female doctors, architects, lawyers, surgeons, computer designers, and museum docents, sharing such delicacies as Marlboros, Salems, Lux bar soap, Levis, electronic calculators and Contac antihistamines, not to mention the truly priceless gifts for my favorites, like lipstick, perfume, eyeliner and eye shadow. It was a different era. A wonderful time to be 21, American, male, and behind the Iron Curtain.

    In my experience the Ukranian girls were rare flowers: slender, poised, demure, thoughtful, intelligent, feminine, and long since tired of making their own way in the world. They had been “liberated” since 1917 and knew that work was boring, overrated, soul-destroying and anti-family. More than anything else they were looking for a man who would not beat them, who wasn’t drunk all the time, and who could take care of them. In return for which he would get intelligent conversation, culture, good cooking, phenomenal sex, and a loving mother for his children. For all that they lived in a Socialist Workers’ Paradise, they were the most UN-materialistic women I have ever met. I expect that Odessa has been corrupted since 1990, but there are other places, still relatively untouched, like the rural areas of the Ukraine (and Moldova, I hear).

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  28. on July 11, 2013 at 1:06 pm Wrecked 'Em

    If you’re going to visit the Ukraine, visit in July or August.

    During the summer Kiev becomes the world’s largest outdoor gentleman’s club.

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  29. on July 11, 2013 at 1:08 pm Nietzsche

    Ukraine has the highest HIV rate in Europe. Big fat political media lie or not, I wouldn’t want to risk it.

    And a few visits, as a foreigner, do not come close to making you any sort of an expert on any complex culture. Club-culture maybe. Well-off-daughters-whos-parents-paid-for-their-visas culture, maybe.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 1:19 pm embracingourfemininity

      Ukraine has the highest HIV rate in Europe. Big fat political media lie or not, I wouldn’t want to risk it.

      Wow, I never heard about this before.I just did a search and found they have one fastest-growing HIV/AIDS epidemics in the world. That’s horrifying. It says much of it is from drug-use. These things scare me so much. I really really hope people are careful if they choose to be promiscuous.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 2:03 pm Nietzsche

        I’m going to cum so incredibly fucking deep inside your ass.

        -Friedrich Nietzsche
        On the Genealogy of Morals, 1887

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm Truth is Beauty

        You sodomite. Stop besmirching the genius of Nietzsche.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 4:22 am Hugh G. Rection

        Well it’s not like you’re going to bang a lot of iv drug users.

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  30. on July 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm Anonymous

    I recommend Taiwan … might be a little late now, but I think, overall, still O.K. Would not recommend (South) Korea … The ladies are (can be) beautiful, but the men are an obstacle … Some of the most down to brawl lads in Asia; and highly protective of “their” women.

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  31. on July 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm ARoss

    So is Ukraine like the Castle Anthrax? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjio-F47IfM

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  32. on July 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm Polymath

    We never screwed Ukraine? Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer.

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  33. on July 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm YaReally

    lol

    99% of the guys who move there will be just as unattractive to women and unable to get or keep a quality woman there as they are here, except the girls will hide that from them for the guy’s money.

    Put me in a room with you and your lovely non-slutty new EE wife and she’ll be fucking me in the bathroom while you go gather her “allowance” you pay her to keep her around.

    Some guys might not be bothered by that. If you’re 50+ and you suck shit with girls and have a bunch if money to burn an don’t care that she wouldn’t be with you in any other circumstances, cool, have a blast. Dig your head in the sand and enjoy the pussy.

    But if you’re young, try fixing yourself first. It’ll do more for your life overall in the long run. “Don’t wish it were easier, wish you were better.”

    Like John H says above, everywhere has hot high-quality girls. They just don’t show up on bitter Manosphere guys’ radar because they couldn’t get them. They’re literally invisible to them because it’s outside of their reality to approach them…all they see is the fatties and damaged girls because if they had to get a girl they know and resent that those shitty girls would be what they’d have to select from.

    “Well there’s MORE in EE!!”

    Doesn’t matter. Most of the guys moving there for the women will end up with mangled-tooth bipolar psychos unless they pay for better. Roosh wasn’t banging 10s out there lol. Guaranteed he wasn’t taking down or even approaching the hottest chicks he saw. A damaged 7 with bad teeth in EE is still damaged 7 with bad teeth.

    “But it’s less WORK! I’d rather be surrounded by a dozen girls and beta men, than have to fend off 10 guys for the one hot girl”

    It’s only work when you suck at it. Better lock that EE girl in your basement for the next 20 years to keep her away from your competition lol

    Anyway, move there if you guys want. But move there because you’re interested in the culture and the language and like to travel, not because you think you’ll be slaying 10/10 poon.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 2:40 pm YaReally

      Just as a follow-up, you guys understand that PUAs run bootcamps in EE countries right?

      Like is that not common knowledge that RSD instructors fly across the world and visit all these prized little “beautiful innocent good girl” havens you guys jack off to? And they fuck the girls there just like they do here. Because they’re still girls and they still want to fuck attractive guys.

      Like read this again and try to fully take in: the madonnas do not exist in EE anymore than they exist here. That is an illusion, propagated by guys who can’t get quality pussy in North America. Your amazing EE fantasy woman will suck dick in the clubs just like your hated American women, if the right stimulus is presented to her.

      If EE girls were too proper and respectable and had morals so high they were harder to bang, RSD wouldn’t keep flying instructors out to run bootcamps and fuck women and help the men there fuck women because it wouldn’t be profitable and their reputation would tank.

      This should be such a huge slap in the brain to the EE-chasers but I know they’ll rationalize common sense logic away to keep their fantasy world together. Can’t convince a guy his one-itis is silly, especially when he has one-itis for an entire continent lol

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:05 pm cryo

        Who are you even talking to? Nobody is arguing that there are an abundance of sweet innocent girls in EE.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 3:25 pm yeahokcool

        a lot of these guys are frustrated and angry. that’s normal. civilization can be indiscriminately cruel. especially to the powerless. they reasonably wish that, perhaps, it could be less cruel somewhere else than “here.”

        however, what ultimately annoys me about these guys (and compels me to mercilessly mock them) is that they REFUSE – just plain refuse – to acknowledge that their wishful ideals are pure, complete fantasy with no basis in reality whatsoever. there will NEVER be this white, christian utopia with virginal blondes waiting to marry you that they’re constantly banging on about.

        let’s play the odds: society is not going to crumble. matt king is not going to end up as some “alexander khan” warlord that mobilizes like-minded individuals into taking over and establishing some theocratic rule of REAL MEN WHO ACT AND TALK LIKE REAL MEN. but, when you’ve got nothing other than your fantasy (and a message board), you’re going to have a hard time thinking logically and reasonably.

        what’s actually fucking hilarious about this delusion that they operate under is that it is EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME as the muslims. we can all agree that muslims are fucking retarded… so why are you guys espousing the same shit from a slightly different angle? they want to a brown, muslim utopia where they keep their women covered from head-to-toe and locked up in a house.

        guys, seriously, learn to accept the wider world for how it is, not how you wish it was.

        and, before matt goes off on some rant that entirely misses the point of this post: yes, you can and should make improvements, but those improvements have to start with (and, if you play the odds, will likely end with) YOURSELF and yourself alone. and, by improving self, you can likely make some positive changes to your immediate world.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 4:48 am Hugh G. Rection

        Plenty of delusion to go around in the manosphere. I also don’t think that improving their game is going to help every man.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:22 am yeahokcool

        fair enough.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 6:11 am Gracian

        +1

        Can’t get much clearer than this.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:13 am Anonymous

        Bullshit. That video shows nothing but 5’s and 6’s in seedy club atmospheres. These guys don’t earn much in coaching fees doing this kind of sophomoric “I’m an alkie” nonsense. In fact, this is the type of environment where the prostitutes hang out. Good girls won’t go near bars in a lot of foreign countries.

        Again, YaReally hasn’t traveled and doesn’t know what he’s talking about in his campaign against travel. The point he seems to want to make on the surface isn’t being argued. Sure, women could be called the same everywhere and maybe California is the best place for men of any age to date, including 75 year old men. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Only men who’ve traveled can give any serious input.

        He seems to be trying to push the idea that someone with an IQ of 115 might consider the highest level of reasoning. For some of us, the line of reasoning that it might be better to just stay in the US is a good place to start analysis. But YaReally’s campaign seems to want the analysis to end now.

        This reminds me of another factor that transcends the alpha/meta narrative the way a 2.5 point difference in looks can: IQ Difference between men and women

        Women mostly don’t want to mate with men more than 20 IQ points higher than them.

        This means that PUAs with IQs of 110-115 will clean up, slicing off the fat part of the Bell Curve. I’ve seen PUA experts who know nothing of current events or literature or languages get 10s who viscerally hate me before I even open my mouth, while I’ve gotten the type of college student who gets As now and then on exams, and they see nothing in the PUA who got the 10 with the average IQ.

        This is the way of the world. Being alpha matters a lot. It’s the most important, but you still have to be in the same IQ range as the targets.

        This is a big reason why you shouldn’t go to foreign villages from places like LA or Chicago if you’ve received high grades in university yourself or your IQ is above 120. Especially overseas, the smartest girls gather in the big cities.

        Unless you become the sponsor of a village girl (sugar daddy). Dumber girls are very happy to not be taken advantage of and actually get something tangible out of a relationship they know couldn’t last. If they get orgasms on top of that, there is no truth to the self-serving rumor that dumber or poverty stricken guys make that says the girls don’t respect their sugar daddies.

        But they are more comfortable, after age 21, trying to get someone to marry them who is in their IQ range. This is natural for women. And, yes, criminals are often in the same IQ range of a lot of very hot women.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 3:14 pm Uncle Elmer

      Ignore the absolute moralizers and move there for whatever reason you want.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 8:02 am Matthew King

      Put me in a room with you and your lovely non-slutty new EE wife and she’ll be fucking me in the bathroom while you go gather her “allowance” you pay her to keep her around.

      It is to eyeroll. Is there an animated avatar for eyeroll?

      You should write your autobiography. You have plenty of material already.

      The Lavatory Diaries: My Epic Sex Life in the Shitter Stall (Where I Fucked Your Wife (And If I Didn’t Actually, I Really Could Have (I’m Serious, Bro))) by Yakov AMOGovich Really

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  34. on July 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm Nietzsche

    It’s best to keep in mind that ‘diversity + proximity = war’ is true in all facets of life…

    Yes you’re her wonderful Alpha bf/husband but you’re also The Other, and unfamiliar, and that will never leave the back of her mind. For some men, it might not leave their minds as well.

    Just one more terrible catch to consider.

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  35. on July 11, 2013 at 2:01 pm The One

    What about if you are already married and trying to get your family out ahead of the coming civil war/economic collapse? Ireland because everyone speaks English, economy looks pretty bad in Europe too. I already have EU citizenship.

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  36. on July 11, 2013 at 2:02 pm Marky Mark

    What about if you DONT want to get married or have kids and just chase skirt forever? What would be the best country for that? Although American women are tough you can get rid of them fairly easily and don’t have to support them.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 2:04 pm cryo

      Any college town will do.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 7:19 am cynthia

        The problem with American college girls is that they do have age limits on how old a guy they’ll fuck. You’re not going to have the same fun there at fifty that you have at thirty. In this female’s opinion.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 7:18 am cynthia

      Japan. Tokyo, specifically. Maybe Hong Kong as well, but then you have to deal with the CCP.

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  37. on July 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm The One

    MArky Mark, the title of the article is “The Ideal Destination For The Single White Man” so I believe the question was already answered. The Ukraine as long as you are white

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  38. on July 11, 2013 at 3:19 pm Tom the Democrat

    America is being taken over by radical Christianists. Ukraine still has a powerful communist party and could easily reject capitalism again some day. As long as the state provides a job for a man, the man can provide for a good woman. It doesn’t matter to me how physically attractive a woman is, as long as she has good character, is a beautiful person and is faithful.

    For now, I’m loyal to America. But if the Christianists continue to take over I wouldn’t mind heading for an atheist country.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm Greg Eliot

      What the hell is a Christianist?

      You nonce-word fairy.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:38 pm Matthew

        I think this troll may be a double-agent. It’s too blatantly obvious. Sorry if this blows your cover, Tom.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 9:26 pm Judah Ben Hur

      Ukrainians are commonly, pretty religious. They might be called the Bible Belt of Europe.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 3:53 am Hugh G. Rection

        Generally, the more of a shithole a place is, the more religious people are. If your current life is great you tend to think less of a great afterlife.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:57 am Matthew King

        Like North Korea? Liberia? Somalia? Detroit?

        The richest, most culturally influential, most enterprising country on the earth, the world’s hyperpower, is also the most religious first-world nation of them all. This is not coincidental. Europe has declined politically and materially in conjunction with its decline in faith.

        The secular mentality based on the childish assumption that we religious by definition defer to “a great afterlife” causes a once-mighty, world-dominating race to while away their vigor on escapist divertissements, live off the dwindling capital of their ancestors, and produce nothing for the next generation — if they can even bother to make the next generation. You are talking out of your ass.

        Matt

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 9:27 am Hugh G. Rection

        Just see all those churchians harping on about how unchristian the rest of the lot are. What is unique about the US is that people for one don’t try to force their belief on others and that they are able to suspend their belief in prehistoric fairy tales long enough to actually get shit done.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 9:34 am Hugh G. Rection

        And don’t tell me North Korea is not religious just because it might not fit the narrow band of the typical monotheistic religions.

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    • on July 13, 2013 at 7:54 pm Anonymous

      Wrong, my friend. America has been conquered by the ” Hebrewists “.

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  39. on July 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm McGonzo

    Beta to the cold, bitter end – read it and weep:

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/offbeat/12293937/ny-banker-s-1600-word-bad-date-screed/

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  40. on July 11, 2013 at 3:55 pm Caramba

    Bloody hell!
    As some of you probably know already-I am actually from Ukraine!

    You could not be more wrong.Honest.
    Ukrainian men are extremely unhappy,the country has one of the HIGHEST divorce rates in the world (check the UN stats). And the reason is -women.
    The balls cutting happend in Ukraine long before the west-together with the communism.

    The country is not exactly poor.The average salary is about 400 euros for large cities.Ok,its not Switserland or even Poland but the point is -THE HOT GIRLS ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF.Since there are quite a lot of rich people in Ukraine (those who s been there might have seen unproportional amount of expensive vehicles on ukrainian streets),real HBs 8+ are not for you guys.

    Now,all the matchmaking logistics there is designed to milk a beta.And fucking with alphas does not really happen neither.Once a girl turns 18 she just skips the alphas and go on serial dating/marriage spree.Serial dating and marriage is CONSIDERED NORMAL there.Unless ofcourse she is a traditional religious chick from the countryside in the west-but you dont want those,they are too much into religion.
    Also women apparently think its alright for them to work on “multiple projects simultaneously”(=cheating),while a man has no right.

    You will bever have ONS there neither.

    Its all about how much money you’ve got and how much energy you are ready to invest in that boring,anorexic,brown haired Yulia/Natasha/Tanya.

    So basically the dating scene has all the disadvantages of the West (except the fact the the girls take care of their appearance in Ukraine more),WITHOUT the advantages (ONS,the alpha rights to pussy and so on).

    I live in London now and I am much happier in terms of women than when in Ukraine.And I fuck here much more without spending much.
    Ok,in Ukraine I could throw in their face my status which does not impress chikcs here..but I just hated this ukrainian is mambo jumbo before the sex,all this soul sucking and money draining,all the constant lying and cheating,all this passive attidude to men/life and so on.

    And the sex with a Ukrainian btw is terrible too.Boring,selfish,passionless.Always feel like you ve been married for 20 years.

    From what I can tell the marriages and men are actually better off in the west I live.I am 30 now and I can tell you-a lot of my peers in Ukraine who got married are either divorced or very very unhappy.The courts in Ukraine are very matriarchal,in 99% of cases children are given to women,properties are split.

    Russia and Ukraine actually have the manosphere too.One of the most famous sites I guess is the “antibitch” forum (antiwomen.ru/ff) .

    And guess what-they complain exactly of the same things you complain here- matriarchate, manipulations, beta male society and so on.Dont believe me,ask this guy-http://www.snob.ru/profile/27214/blog

    Seriously,a woman is a woman is a woman.Stop feeding yourself some fantasies of a country where women are like in 19 century.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 4:24 pm embracingourfemininity

      Also women apparently think its alright for them to work on “multiple projects simultaneously”(=cheating),while a man has no right.

      Yes, I didn’t want to mention this because I thought it was maybe just the ones I came across… but some of the ones married here are not exactly the faithful type. It’s quite strange. These are the ones who’s marriages didn’t end nicely that I mentioned.. they come and get married, then wait for a number of years to obtain their residency.. then ciao ciao dear husband. and the poor man is left with nothing.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm Caramba

        Well this is my experience only.
        I had this several times when I never agreed to a mono LTR with a girl in Ukraine,she would wait for a while than would give me a lot of fuzz about it and would dump me.Than I would always learn she had been seeing another guy or two.

        Unfair if you ask me

        Anyways,on another note:
        I understand my words are sugar for an american woman like you.
        But Ukrainian chicks have a lot of of advantages too-they are hot,and the hotness is not inborn but acquired.While american chicks seemingly do everything to repel a man.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm embracingourfemininity

        I am European, not American.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:55 pm Caramba

        Where r u from exactly?

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:35 pm Subway Masturbator

        ooh, he’s interested.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:39 pm Matthew

        And what r u wearing?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 8:40 am Man

        Well, same exact thing in US re: spinning plates. A guy like John Mayer is a “douchebag” while women aged 19-32 all do the exact same thing. There are fucking apps (games) for girls to play on iPad where they are a stupid american young woman and the actual object of the game is to collect boyfriends and gifts from those boyfriends (and clothes, handbags, and accessories). BAsically American girls are TAUGHT to be like Petite Olive.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm goodspeed

      The divorce rates areant really that bad, only 42%(lol) which is below the EU average:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

      Poland is looking nice there and they also have the third lowest artes of births outside marriage:

      http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Marriage_and_divorce_statistics

      “The number of live births outside of marriage, among EU Member States, was lowest in Greece (7.4 % in 2011) and Cyprus (16.9 % in 2011), while more than one in every five births in Poland was outside of marriage; Poland was the EU Member State with the third lowest proportion of live births outside of marriage.”

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm Caramba

        Well in this article (its in russian) : http://korrespondent.net/lifestyle/1575533-zhurnalisty-razobralis-pochemu-v-ukraine-i-rossii-razvodyatsya-chashche-chem-v-lyuboj-drugoj-strane the DW journalist give the following UN stats:

        1 place in the world-Russia
        2-Byelorussia
        3-Latvia
        4-Lithuania
        5-Moldova
        6-Ukraine

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm Caramba

        The DW journalist also gives a very blue pill explanation for the reason behind it.I would not take it.Its more complicated than this obviously

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:29 pm Pete

        I don’t know about Ukraine. But most divorces in Russia are filed by the man. They get tired of the women telling them what to do at home – where the women seem to absolutely run the show. Exteriorly Russia is a patriarchy, but not in the home.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 11:41 am Caramba

        No.From personal experience,and from the manosphere sites stories I can tell that most of the divorces are provoked by women.Some russian blogger gives a statistics of 70% divorces to be filed by women.I believe these numbers.

        Russia is not a patriarchy since 1921 more or less.When the churches were destroyed and the country’s elite purged by the marxists,when communists gave women voting rights,and proclaimed that a woman can do everytjing a man can.Than 2 ww came and many men died again.The soviet union was pretty much a women country up to late 50…

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm YaReally

      “And guess what-they complain exactly of the same things you complain here- matriarchate, manipulations, beta male society and so on.”

      Oh, weird. It’s almost like there isn’t a magical utopia over there. It’s almost like women are women, all around the world.

      But hey, don’t tell these guys…I mean, what would they have to look forward to if they didn’t think there was gold at the end of the rainbow? They’d have to shake their heads out of their fantasy dream and actually work on learning game.

      Like I say, an unattractive guy here is an unattractive guy there…except that there your money is worth more so they’ll hide their disgust for you better. But they’ll still be fucking assholes like me on the side…don’t worry, I’ll have left her covered in jizz early enough for her to have dinner on the table for you when you get home to keep up your fantasy. 🙂

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 5:56 pm Caramba

        Could not be said better.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 7:34 pm Jay in DC

        Real talk YaReally, I read you. Here, but nowhere else. You have the alpha and the game. But… are women the same “over there” as here? Are you sure? Have you BEEN over there? Don’t talk shit on things you do not understand sorry brah… Let me break it down for you a different way you can understand as you strike me as a younger swinging dick. If you have game for American bitches you will be like a fucking mesmerizing sorceror in some foreign nations. Roosh V… does he look like a young Brad Pitt to you?

        The whole EE thing is not some magical utopia goofy kid. It is like this… Your exert work (X) to score pussy (Y), and the pool of hot women who are not total feminized cunts and somewhat approachable is (Z). Algebra, did you pass it American Education? Unsure… If X*Y=Z You have Americunts let us say…. If X*Y=Zⁿ (where N is a factor between 2 and 4, depending on the EE country). Did you pass algebra pretty boy? If so, you just squared, cubed, etc. your pussy gain for the same amount of work. Sorry but you are dead fucking wrong on this.

        That being said, HOWEVER, I don’t understand the love for Ukies being expressed here. I live in DC as you may have guessed. There was a time when EEs flooded this place, and there are still some here though nothing like the Golden Age of Hot EE Pussy from like 2003-2009 or so. Ukranian women are not so different than russians. If they are city girls, they are ruthless mercenaries looking for a payday, like their Russian counterparts. Country girls, different animal. Poles, Hungarians, and Slovaks are much less wordly in my experience. Czech girls are just like Ukes. Prague is like NYC now…

        tl;dr version- if you don’t have passport stamps, shut the fuck up.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 12:36 am YaReally

        Here’s an algebraic formula for you:

        If you have no game (X) and you surround yourself by any number of beautiful women (Y*n2) and you factor in the fact that you complain and whine like a bitch (B) you get:

        X*(Y*n2)*B = you are still a big vagina and will simply be able to get rejected by hotter women than you get rejected by here

        I forgot to factor in variable Q, which is defined by “you are still a low man on the totem pole and her Hypergamy will still force her to cheat on you when she comes in contact with a better man, a better man being ALL OTHER MEN because you took the easy route of buying desperate pussy instead of becoming an attractive man”.

        Man, who knew math class would come in so handy?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 2:50 am Anonymous

        You are thinking like a feminist YaReally in that you’re being an absolutist (as usual) about your prejudices in order to make a good point that’s getting old already. You love shaming the exact mentalities the feminists want to shame.

        There is nothing wrong with the mathetical explanation that a man is better off where the ratio of hot women to men is better and where feminism has taken less hold. It doesn’t matter how alpha you are. You always come across like the challenge is more important to you than the selection. Sure, feminists are more of a challenge, but some guys would be nauseated in the presence of a woman who thinks Obamacare is great. They aren’t betas because American leftoids nauseate them. I understand you’re a liberal politically. Obviously, you are OK sleeping with others of your kind.

        Do you have some sort of local RSD franchise and you don’t want local men to spend their money on travel, which competes with you? Is that where your interest lies in pulling the feminist shaming strategy about guys traveling? You are not a white nationalist so you don’t need to be protesting so much about men leaving the states and going to where there are more white women per capita (notice the irony in what I just said).

        Yes, it is clear that Ukrainian women expect men to be more alpha than ever.

        We understand that.

        We know this means that the beta male “bride seekers” who are actually going there less and less (because they’ve gotten the memo by 2013) don’t end up with anyone they couldn’t have gotten at home (this is arguable because these middle aged Ukrainian women often know nothing about feminism, but we’re talking about the betas getting single moms and 35 year olds in any case).

        We know now that one should go there only after becoming more alpha.

        We also know the USA, even with its feminism, may actually be a better place for dating, because Ukrainian country girls are not exactly the intellectual types you’ll find in Moscow.

        But there’s nothing wrong with a little travel.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 3:37 am YaReally

        “Is that where your interest lies in pulling the feminist shaming strategy about guys traveling?”

        My interest lies in men not being a bunch of pussies who turn tail and run for a promised land that doesn’t even exist and won’t benefit them because they haven’t developed themselves enough to handle it. They’ll go surround themselves with these magical unicorns and then end up getting raped because they’re still the same shitty beta guys that had to run away in the first place except they won’t see it coming because EE-junkies fed them a bunch of bullshit about how perfect and magical EE girls are. There are even guys from the Ukraine in this comment section telling you it’s the same shit as over here lol. But guys are so desperate to believe that it’s different elsewhere if they can just get there everything will be okay bla bla bla.

        It’s literally the same thing as hiring a hooker to be your wife. Ya, great, you got some poon, but you’re still the creeper from the strip club who has to pay girls to pretend to like you…you took the weakest way out possible and built a house of cards.

        They will end up with the same 6s they would’ve gotten here and she’ll cheat and divorce him just like she would here, not because she’s evil but because he’s still a shitty beta who just put a band-aid on a severed arm but believed the hype that in EE girls wouldn’t notice the missing arm. Except they’ll have wasted a chunk of their life they could’ve spent developing themselves, living in a false sense of security that will topple down on them down the road.

        If you love Ukrainian women and the culture and language and shit, awesome, go find one and good luck. If you’re going to the Ukraine because you think it’ll be easier, you are an idiot and should be fixing your outlook/game instead.

        “Sure, feminists are more of a challenge, but some guys would be nauseated in the presence of a woman who thinks Obamacare is great”

        Do you know how many feminists spouting about obamacare my friends and I have run into? Fucking zero.

        We’re not ninja flipping around their angry feminazi views and doing some awkward pass-the-bill shuffle for who pays for dinner and high-fiving over how we totally nailed a feminist. This just isn’t a thing.

        If you are getting into feminist discussions about shit, it’s because you are boring and are letting the conversation go there. Do you know what the last girl I banged’s view on feminism is? No? Me neither because who the fuck cares? Her feminist views are for the lame beta guys she isn’t letting grab her by the hair and fuck her throat.

        If we get into a long-term relationship, she’ll change her views to reflect mine because she’s a GIRL and I’m a man. If she doesn’t, cool, as long as she doesn’t give me hassle about it. If she does, she gets a Soft Next, and if she still doesn’t smarten up, she gets a Hard Next and I find another one.

        Like how is this horde of scary feminists happening to you? How does your pickup look? “Hey” “hi” “so I think we should go out and you should pay for half of dinner” “privilege!! Patriarchy!!!” Why are you even discussing this shit with them?

        Feminist shit-tests are just like dress codes at bars and screening guys based on their shoes or watch: they’re to weed out lame people. Once you’re inside, no one cares if you’re wearing sneakers.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 11:35 am cryo

        This is true. If a girl is bringing up her ideology/politics in your interactions with her then you are doing something wrong. Total dominance of the female means reshaping her beliefs and biases as well. This is why most married women vote conservative (at least I read it somewhere).
        That being said, American cities are prohibitively expensive for most, so if you want to take a crack at banging 10s in the third world, might as well go for it.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 6:30 am Gracian

      +1

      This post makes sense.

      However, such clarity of thought and practical experience is sure to unnerve the horde of desperate, sexually frustrated, porn-addicted beta males that CH has stirred up.

      Almost all of the little fellas who post on this site are pathetic, scared, insecure, and full of hate.

      [CH: The male demographics of the readership match the national demographics in terms of income, social class and marital status.]

      In this post alone, guys are dreaming about moving to Ukraine, Russia, Iceland, Japan, China, Thailand, and…Mexico (yes, Mexico) — b/c they can’t get sexual attention from their own American women.

      Yet, at the same time, these bitch-made betas crow on and on about ‘brown and black’ race mixing with white women, white racial purity, white loyalty, and white pride.

      So sad…yet so absolutely gut-splittingly hilarious!

      [Your comments are not value-adding.]

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 8:38 am Man

      This, and same with Russia. I know a guy from Russia, a real Russian, who is a small business owner in my city (car wash), and I was asking him about Russian women and he was like, “Dude, in real life, 98% of them are hideous and you don’t want to be in Russia.”

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  41. on July 11, 2013 at 3:57 pm Caramba

    I am going to tell this to the russian manosphere guys at antiwomen.ru/ff

    They are defo going to have a blast)!Nothing funnier ever.

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  42. on July 11, 2013 at 4:09 pm Anonymous

    I can recommend France. Women are very traditional. It’s a myth they are liberal/feminist. They aren’t as interested in money either.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm Caramba

      They make me horny just by talking 5 meters away.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 5:57 pm Nietzsche

      WTF are you on?

      Any man who moves to France hoping for any sort of freedom as a man, is a chump punk bitch. It’s illegal to get a paternity test in that shit hole faggot country.

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      • on July 11, 2013 at 10:39 pm Matthew

        Varg did it.

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  43. on July 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm no49star

    I studied every country in the world before I started looking for my (second) wife. South America looked interesting but my Spanish lessons weren’t going well. Wikipedia has a very handy map of the Anglosphere that helped me locate English speaking countries. I used CIA World Fact Book to eliminate countries with unfavorable M/F ratios, out of control crime and corruptiuon, and excessive HIV prevalance rates. I decided on Ghana and found my wife there. Our marriage is good. Sharing the English language is a huge help.

    Ghana is home to a large number of young single women with a preference for white men. Crime and corruption is higher than the US but is managable. Most people understand some English. Those who have been to school can speak it well. Fresh sugarloaf pineapples cost about 50 cents.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 8:52 pm Dan Fletcher

      lol

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  44. on July 11, 2013 at 4:18 pm Kolmogorovsmirnov

    I am a ukrainian and I will tell you one thing: its much easier to fuck an american girl than a ukrainian.It will also cost you next to nothing.A ukrainian girl is not stupid,and she perfectly knows why are you there.She will make you work your poor ass off in order to get laid,and its not even guaranteed.
    Kiev is full of foreigners.The budget airlines fly very very cheap to Italy,Germany and Spain.And,lets be honest,there is noway an American man can compete with an Italian,you simply have it wrong in states in terms of Ukrainian females taste.And you guys look and act goofy.Your fashion style is wrong,your game is not suave enough and so on.
    I have nothing against americans,in fact I have great american buddies,but let me just share my opinion here.

    Let’s look deeper.The marriage with a ukrainian is the most terrible thing you might do in your life.Unlike in states,pre-nups dont exist.Courts decide always in favour of a woman,children are given to women in 99% cases,a word joint-custody exists only in theory.Men usually don’t see their children after a divorce at all.
    Courts also automatically assign half of your properties to a woman.If there are children-also properties bought before the marriage must be split.

    If you consider bringing her to the States-than lol.I live in Western Europe and I fuck with ukrainian/russian girls from time to time-there is a massive community here.Most of them got married than divorced within 3-5 years,once they could get a permanent residence permit.Never ending story.One of my current FBs in fact lives with her husband,claims to live as “different people” but I dont believe this crap.
    If you dont believe me-browse around the “foreign bride” forums and pua community sites.

    Ukrainan culture is also quite a beta male culture (although they are significantly more alpha than americans for obvious reasons),but men don’t realize it .Men provide,men work,men try hard-and usually they end up with nothing.There is a russian expression which is tranlated as a “bitch pit”.These are families where women of 2-3 generation live together without any men around (either divorced or ruined psychologically they run away,become alcoholics etc etc).Every apartment block in Ukraine has several “bitch pits”.

    The rate of divorces is staggering,I think its higher than in the States.60 to 70% of children nowadays grow without fathers.If you check the UN statistics you will see that I right.In fact the Deutche Welle had an article about it last week-Why the divorce rate is the highest in the world in Ukraine and Russia.

    Ukrainian women are not that hot as some advertise here.They are flat,pale,have terrible skin and hair,can not dance,tend to be passionless in bed,age much faster than other women and have terrible character.They have this strong believe than “a man is obliged” and than a list of demands follows.
    I have been having sex with women from different countries too-and trust me hardly any Ukrainian can compete with a Spanish in bed.As Roosh have said-they are Bernie.Very good comparison,I ve been looking for it all my life.

    Stop believing in BS about some magic Dysney place with feminine women who will be with you till death do you apart.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:06 pm Nietzsche

      Mediterraneans are all faggots.

      – Friedrich Nietzsche
      Human, All Too Human, 1878

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      • on July 15, 2013 at 11:12 am FredMertz

        ‘I grow weary of jerkin my gherkin. I long to hear the call,”drop your cocks and grab your socks.’ yeah.” –Friedrich Nietzsche “Man And Superman”

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:15 pm L82thegame

      You have deeply rocked my perspective. I have been banging a 20 year old Russian chick the last month or so. While she doesn’t have all the negative qualities you’ve described, a number of things on your list seem to ring a bell. She has a boyfriend in Russia who she is blatently cheating on with me. She even told me how she lied to him on skype when he made her promise that she hasn’t had sex with anyone else! I just told her she’s a horrible person. She asked what she should do, and I said live your life in a way that you can tell the truth.

      If I can add one thing I do like about Russian girls: I can say whatever I want about black people, gays, women, society, and there are no consequences.

      One thing I do like about her specifically, and I don’t think this applies to all EE girls, is that she thinks she is not hot and not cute, but does so much to take care of her looks! She talks herself down and lavishes me with compliments. So many girls who look, act, and dress way worse than her in the past have thought they were such hot shit. And while I do spend more on her, she will still buy me drinks, snacks, and helps clean my place, etc.

      I say you rocked my perspective because this is one of the closest bonds I’ve ever developed with a girl I’ve dated. Even though I’ve been reading heartiste while in bed with her, as the relationship has progressed I have tended to filter out some of the negative aspects of this girl.

      I guess the lesson we should learn from all this is to bang ’em all and let the pieces fall where they may….and then some day read the Great Books For Men and restore honor, civility, loyalty to the world and all that.

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  45. on July 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm kubla

    Don’t go to the Ukraine if you are a Joo. There are a lot of Ukrainian Jooz in the US because they were driven out due to anti-semetic harassment.

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    • on July 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm Syd Barrett

      There are reasons for that. Look up the ” Holomodor ” , then watch this

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  46. on July 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm Alex

    “God, there is nothing hotter than tiny Viet chicks”

    —

    Hear, hear!!!
    As a man who grew up in California with a large number of Asians of every nationality, none are more delicate, feminine and sexy than a properly put together Viet girl, although some Koreans and Japanese are also quite attractive.

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  47. on July 11, 2013 at 5:12 pm Kgaard

    I spent two months in Ukraine last year. Traveled all over the country, including the western part (Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk) and Odessa. Bottom line: Heartiste’s observations are technically sound … but Ukraine is a tough place to get comfortable in. On paper it seems like should be great … but there’s something soul-crushing about it. Hard to put my finger on. The women are attractive but not … fun. The language is tough — and I’m good with languages. The country is a bit boring. The guys are very different from Americans.

    So … yes … it can work … but I just don’t know if it’s really a winner.

    [CH: I agree with your description of Ukrainian women as “attractive but not fun”. They’re a fatalist lot.]

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  48. on July 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm Okroshka

    As a Russian American, I’m so sick and tired of Western Euro betamales feeling entitled to our women simply because they happen to have white skin. Earth to Anglo-betas: Just because their skin is light like yours, they are still OUR women. And we’re Russians, we’re not afraid of fighting blacks, whites, you name it, so how do you think we’re going to react to Western betacunts going to our homeland (I have lived the last 5 years in Russia before coming back to America) trying to screw our women, assuming you can even get in their panties before they end up seeing you as a suitable friend to help buy the handbags?

    [CH: It’s broughten!]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 6:04 pm Caramba

      I am yet to meet a Russian American.its always a Russian Jew-American over there (no offense,I am not antisemitic but lets be honest here)
      .
      You can leave americans Mila Kunis look-a -likes, don’t be that jealous.
      They don’t know the difference anyways)…

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  49. on July 11, 2013 at 5:19 pm Okroshka

    And I mention Russia because, even if Ukraine is the country in question, the context is the exact same.

    Basically, if you go to Russia or Ukraine, simply to “move in” and settle, start dating locally, expect A LOT of resistance. Hell, I’m Russian blood, speak Russian, and yet because I was born in America, they still tease me unmercifully about it, imagine how they treat an ethnic alien to our land?

    [CH: The Rus suspicion of outsiders is, in this day and age, admirable. If only American SWPL weenies had some of that self-preserving spirit.]

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:43 pm Matthew

      And here the hidden point of CH’s original post emerges.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 3:01 am Anonymous

      Slavic men, who are often alpha, will never attack or even AMOG American men who are speaking with local hotties. This is because there are so many hotties. I’ve never had a local man try to compete with me. This is mainly because there are almost too many good looking women there. They age fast though.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 9:40 pm Pete

        I agree. Have never in 15 years had any trouble with local guys. They like Americans, love to drink with Americans and have a good time. The women are up for grabs, and they don’t worry about them too much. The guys will marry a girl, and then divorce her in 2-3 years, wait a few years and then try another.

        The girls love sex, and blow jobs must be included in the elementary school curriculum. They especially like American men because we don’t slap them around or treat them like crap; and generally American men know how to make love.

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  50. on July 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm Aestian

    Ukrainians are slender and good looking not because of Golodomor – they’re that way genetically. They’d be beautiful even if it hadn’t happened. And not just Ukrainian women but also many men are attractive – with long limbs, symmetric elongated faces. The women just put more effort into their appearance. Their diet helps too (still largely clean).

    On the main topic – pretty sound advice. Especially for men who are open to different cultures (Slavonic cultures are very, very different from Anglo and Germanic, the women will also expect you to take the lead financially and you’ll be judged that way). Also, one would have to give up a lot of comforts that Americans take for granted (such as the stability of the economic system – yea, you might laugh at that given the bs that’s going on right now but you’ll still be ok even if you crash, politeness of everyday folks in the streets, etc). Language barrier will be a major pain as they live in the Russosphere and that won’t change soon (or at all). But generally there’s a lot to be gained. An American man and an EE woman can be a good match under the right circumstances and with enough mutual openness and understanding.

    A word of warning though: a major demographic correction is on the way in EE, including Ukraine – soon those born in the 90s will enter adulthood and their numbers will be smaller by at least a third than the previous generation (there was a baby boom in the FSU in the 80’s but an unprecedented crash in the 90’s). The repercussions could be major. When the guys born in the 80’s will start to look for girls born in the 90’s, there will be a sudden shortage of girls. The men are no longer dying in the numbers they used to 10 years ago. This might tip the ratios and cause major adjustments in the mating market. Ofc, there will still be a lot of young women (these are populations of tens of millions) but the competition for them might increase. This is the time to do it – it may not be as awesome in as soon as 5 years.

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  51. on July 11, 2013 at 5:31 pm Scray

    Nah. This is just ‘if only I were/had/could/blah blah……’ syndrome. And as David Lee Roth put it: “If you can’t do it in a white T-shirt and a pair of jeans under one white light bulb, you can’t do it!”

    There are no shortcuts, dudebros.

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:37 pm YaReally

      Yo! It’s awaiting moderation right now, but this is the link to my breakdown of your 30 day challenge summary. Hope you get it before the weekend lol:

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/off-the-grid-game/#comment-456524

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 3:34 am Hugh G. Rection

      You ever travel abroad?

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 3:48 am Scray

        Only Italy and Jamaica. But I went to the first when I was only 18….so I didn’t cold approach or whatever. So that’s a fair comeback to make.

        However I’m in this for the difficulty…I want American hot girls. It’s a challenge. You know…make it here, make it anywhere

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  52. on July 11, 2013 at 5:45 pm PA

    The French answer to FEMEN:

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 6:05 pm Greg Eliot

      Antigones… great name, a propos.

      France may not be as lost as we’ve heard.

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  53. on July 11, 2013 at 5:50 pm Max from aust

    I have 6 kids. 4 full breeds. 2 half phillipinos. The full breeds have been naturally more rugged wide roaming and independent from a very young age. Their mother is colder. The 2nd batch are much more docile and still don’t really understand the evil of fiat currency and fractional reserve banking. All were raised as conservative Catholics by an ex law enforcement dad

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  54. on July 11, 2013 at 6:03 pm Gracian

    Ok. Let me get this straight….

    Issue: Our White females are too spoiled and ruined, due to the actions of our White fathers and grandfathers.

    1. Answer: Move to the Ukraine in hopes of dating and marrying economically disinfranchised (relatively poor) Ukrainian females.

    2. Answer: Chase down Asian females, as they are a ‘sure bet’ for even the lamest of White males. Weak, demure, soft, child-like faces and bodies.

    Ooooh Yeah! Super alpha white male strategy going on here. SMH!

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 12:44 am YaReally

      lol this. Remember how Columbus was all “go discover America? I dunno man that sounds like a lot of work…” Sure hope you pussies reproduce cause then my sons will have zero competition for their choice of pussy.

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  55. on July 11, 2013 at 6:07 pm Max from aust

    And I taught them all about Leviticus 25:44 and its relationship to the federal reserve system. Generics is everything

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  56. on July 11, 2013 at 6:17 pm Customer Service

    How prescient, today a Russian hockey player left $77 million on the table to get out of New Jersey and raise his kids in Russia, can you blame him?

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/22722800/ilya-kovalchuk-announces-retirement

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 6:45 pm Aestian

      In KHL they pay well under the table and it’s his home.

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  57. on July 11, 2013 at 6:18 pm Contemplationist

    Oh how apt.
    I was just submitting this for your review:
    http://themoscownews.com/local/20130708/191745871/Road-to-relationships-rough-for-expat-women-in-Moscow.html
    Picture(or word?)-perfect conformity to chateau predictions!

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm supra

      An extremely hot Russian woman I know from a small Russian city sent me that article. She said the following “just think it’s interesting what the foreign women say abour the russian men, like an objective view from the side, and besides I think this opinion is really very close to the truth, that’s why I have so many unmarried beautiful and smart girls among my friends”

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  58. on July 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm Mr.C

    Compared to the Australian women of our capital cities; American women are generally considered by Australian men to be friendly and capable of at least engaging in a conversation without the immediate assumption that by talking to them you just want to bang them.

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  59. on July 11, 2013 at 7:37 pm epochehusserl

    What are you going to do for money once you get to Ukraine? If you have money and status in the US you might as well stay here – if not then it doesnt matter where you go. Maybe I am overlooking something.

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  60. on July 11, 2013 at 7:42 pm Jazzy Hands

    I’d like to share an anecdotal caveat that echos the sentiments of a few of posters.

    I know a man in his mid-fifties who married a mid-twenties Ukrainian lady after bad divorce and a custody battle. They had a whirlwind romance, got married, and she emigrated back. He’s an aging business owner with alpha like demeanor. She was the ingenue bumpkin. His interest was based more on her youth and beauty (HB 8.5), but three fold preconceptions of EE femininity, EE’s adherence to traditional gender roles, and a proclivity of sexual exploration.

    Two years into the marriage, after his business prospects started to dim, she got “bored”, and he soon discovered her hypergamous inclinations. Perhaps living in a westernized first world country was the blame. Maybe fault can be found on her status as a traditional, but childless housewife. Maybe the ceiling mirrors/sex swings lost their appeal. I don’t know.

    I was told she began to court local businessmen for a ticket to “greener” pastures. I don’t know if she rode on the alpha carousel. He never admitted as much. After a rocky couple of years of divorce talk and threatening to move out, they reconciled. My understanding is that she’s back with him when there appeared to be no takers.

    I guess my point is love is never certain; you get what you give (if you’re lucky); and don’t marry.

    But some must marry…So I posit a question to all you womanizers in CH land. Is it safe to assume that all women are back-stabbing whores, who to leave a first-world marriage at the first sign of marital discord? What tips or techniques do you use to “read” people?

    Stayin’ Alive,
    JH

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    • on July 11, 2013 at 10:45 pm Matthew

      “Maybe fault can be found on her status as a traditional, but childless housewife”

      Does not exist.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 12:49 am YaReally

      Be better than other men to her. Her Hypergamy will keep her faithful. It’s that simple.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm Caramba

      Old story.Heard it too many times.

      I’ve been to several “russian parties” in western europe (i have lived in 2 different countries). At those parties, if you meet a woman in her late 20s who has not been studying abroad,its 9/10 chance she is married to a local man and is screwing around;or was married and got a permanent residence.

      I come across those again and again and again.

      Regarding your last question: you can make certain predictions based on a woman’s life story but you can never be sure.Alpha can rest only in his grave,there are no short cuts.Especially not in Ukraine

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  61. on July 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm Rick

    Had a young woman come into where I was working. Absolutely stunning. Had an exotic name. Asked her where she was from. She said Moldavia. She was Miss Minnesota Teen a few years prior. Yeah women from Moldavia totally rock.

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  62. on July 11, 2013 at 7:53 pm KidB

    Dear CH:

    Surely this warrants its own post: woman talks to hitman about killing her husband instead of divorcing him. Gets busted. And it’s caught on camera.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/smiling-wife-filmed-telling-hit-man-murder-option-easier-than-divorcing-husband/story-fnet09y4-1226677054310

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  63. on July 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm tz2026

    Who haven’t we screwed? Remember those color or flower revolution and when Gazprom threatened cut-off (I really need to resubscribe to The Economist).

    That said, I’m actually of Ukranian extraction. I need to recheck grand-dad’s passport.

    Russia, Ukraine, etc. would be smart to make immigration into them easy. Particularly if they would deny extradition for IRS problems and made transfer of hard (well, gold is rather malleable, so lets say metal) currency easier.

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  64. on July 11, 2013 at 10:08 pm Rum

    The Appalachian Mountains – Southeastern USA. And times 3 if you have family there. I mean, if you got seriously rejected by your own teen-aged girl cousins you should probably just quit. For a number of reasons I do not want to go into, God put them there for a reason. Just like He put you there for a reason.

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  65. on July 11, 2013 at 11:30 pm Joe Sixpack

    I’d be interested to know where CH readers live and if they find their home city to be a target-rich environment for quality women.

    I live in San Diego, CA which is home to some of the most physically attractive women in the USA (maybe that’s not saying much these days).

    However, while it is a great place to live, it does have its downsides. I’ll list some pros and cons.

    The Good
    1. Routinely see 7s and 8s. 9s are also to be seen quite often, depending on where you go in the city. 10s are rare, by definition. But they live here. The fact that it’s essentially Spring and Summer year round means a lot of young women in sun-dresses, short skirts and heels. Do I even need to mention the beach?
    2. Women take good care of themselves. There are tons of outdoor activities from hiking, surfing, stand-up paddleboarding,co-ed sports leagues and a shit ton of gyms. The pressure to look good is high here. Women feel competition from other women to look good (to a certain degree)(see Cons).
    3.There is a very high density of colleges in San Diego, counting the technical schools and JuCos. SDSU is otherwordly. You must see to believe.

    The Bad
    1. San Diego is fucking expensive. Which has a strong chilling effect on just who can afford to live here. Hot 19 year old girls working at a coffee shop? Not unless her boyfriend/husband is supporting her. Or unless she’s a trust funder, whose parents are funding her hypergamous lifestyle of non-stop party fun.

    Or unless, she lives at home with Mommy and Daddy. Which is what a TON of people do in SD. This has the effect of allowing the girls to work coolfunsocial jobs part-time and still have an incredible amount of disposable income.

    This makes it much harder on the men who, assuming he lives on his own and pays his own way, often doesn’t have the Walking Around Money of a 21 year old girl. Many men, while up and coming, do not have $1500-$2000 disposable monthly income to simply get out and be in the vicinity of the girls who, thanks to favorable living arrangements, assume that lifestyle is a given.

    Keep in mind that many guys also live at home well through their 20s into their 30s. They, too, have considerable dispsoable income to establish social networks, have an optimistic sense of cockiness and can hang with these girl financially. Often, you have 22 year old guys working as valets or waiters, or club promoters, with far higher disposable income than a 35 year old desk jockey who pays his own way.

    So the high cost of living severely limits the sheer number of young women who can even live here. But it does allow all the lawyers and outlandishly paid city government workers you can ask for. You’ll find that many women are married, co-habbing or trustfunders/living large at home with their high school clique doing the same, despite being 25 years old.

    Add to this, there are legitimately many guys here with authentic money, this region is home so some of the wealthiest zipcodes and real estate in the nation.

    2. Due to a large “tech” job sector here, and a very large military base presence, San Diego has earned the nickname of “Man Diego. Some argue that this is only a myth, but it is such a pervasive sense here, that it must be true. Chick deny it. Men swear it’s the truth.

    So, this puts downward pressure on women having to be their most feminine and attractive. They know there’s a surplus of men, they become jaded to being hit on and it’s a buyers market from a woman’s perspective.

    I’m just gonna stop here. It’s close to TLDR status as it is.

    Overally, bring good game to San Diego. It’s an interesting dating market for sure, with most women aware that most guys are looking for fun vs. committment. Women are often jaded and play the game themselves. The hypergame runs strong here.

    I’m interested to know how other’s cities stack up and if there is a good solid USA city with high quality, attractive and feminine women in abundance.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 9:28 am late late late bloomer

      i live near portland, which is to say i know what the very bottom of the scale is like. unfriendly, unattractive, overrated, eager to be offended. i melted a plastic jug over a campfire (for fun) and you should have seen the faces. if you joke about not recycling at all you can face sincere anger.

      for me, phoenix has been spectacular. friendly, sunny, attractive girls complaining about finding guys even interested in them. i have met and dated from age 24-30, 6.5 to 8s (i am 40) and while i do have money they don’t really know that, i’m housesitting here.

      i love it. it’s changing as the left-maniacs that have been destroying california move in and bring their same voting patterns (they do not learn), but it’s still great.

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    • on July 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm Anonymous

      I recently moved to Chicago, and so far it has been great. Friendly, attractive women, interesting night life distributed over many neighborhoods and affordable when you don’t want to live down town. There are many college students and the city attracts a constant flow of young tourists and small town girls wanting to go to the big city so I’m having absolutely no problem dating in the 20-30 years range (I”m 35)

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  66. on July 12, 2013 at 1:10 am mike

    Nah. Ukranian women are used to Ukranian men. Ukranian men are far more masculine than most Western men. So unless you’re comparible to Ukranian men Ukranian women will likely not even recognize you as a man, let alone be attracted to you. Also there is a significant culture difference between the two, IMO Ukranian culture and Eastern European culture in general is downright disgusting.

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    • on July 13, 2013 at 8:23 pm Syd Barrett

      ” Ukrainian culture and Eastern European culture in general is downright disgusting. ”

      Do explain oh cultured one, you the pinnacle of civilization. The gods of Olympus bow in your socially refined presence.

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  67. on July 12, 2013 at 1:39 am Helmut

    Back to Europe?No way!You are not Europeans,you are Americans,stay there,we dont want any more immigrants here.

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  68. on July 12, 2013 at 1:52 am Mr.C

    Ain’t love grand….

    http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/kristy-hinze-billion-dollar-babe-20090706-d9jw.html

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  69. on July 12, 2013 at 3:10 am Marcus666

    Ukraine has very “village” and clan-culture and there are HOT girls; but pretty unavailable for westerns love tourists. They prefer to date their normal friends from school; like everywhere else in the world… Still, I live in W-Europe and get laid 1x/year. In Ukraine I had a success-rate of 1lay/week, so 50x more chance of success. The less hotter girls don’t get much attention from their men and approach you. They are indeed cold and very prudent. They don’t have a sense of identity or lifestyle. For them life is just surviving and getting by. We in the west have so much luxury and free time that we can afford ourselves to identify ourselves with a specific lifestyle. Ukrainian people are very distant and put on a facade. They know why you are there. Everybody knows everybody since they were children and you can get hot girls as foreigner if you can build a social circle.
    In the west: The big problem is there is a huge shortage of woman. They know their price. W-Europe has a problem with their (male) immigrant population and guys are now happy with a big whale. Only governments can solve this problem (produce more girls).

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 10:23 am Caramba

      Dude if you are getting laid in w europe 1x year you should think about fundamental flaws in your game,character and personality.

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  70. on July 12, 2013 at 6:30 am Libertardian

    Quiz time. Which of these would a woman prefer to spread her legs for:

    (a) a beta

    (b) a guy who sets her kid on fire while filming it like a Tucker Max butthexing session

    lolzlzlzlzlzlzlz! Is this a question?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2361420/Father-son-doused-boy-7-gas-lit–videotaping-it.html

    “A man from Pennsylvania has been arrested for pouring a flammable liquid on his then-girlfriend’s seven-year-old son and setting him alight.

    Police say the man, from Saxonburg, brought his own 15-year-old son along for the attack and proceeded to set the younger boy’s shirt on fire.

    Edward B. Myers, 35, allegedly used his cell phone to film the assault as he watched the boy burn.”

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  71. on July 12, 2013 at 8:48 am Wolfie65

    Having spent half my life in Europe, the other half in the US, I’d say the biggest single difference regarding women is the Princess Syndrome.
    In Europe, a woman’s attitude will usually more or less match her looks and/or social status. A bona fide 10 – someone who has a legitimate shot at winning a Miss title – or the daughter of a business tycoon or actual nobility will have the attitude of a 10, an 8 the attitude of an 8, a 6 that of a 6 and so on.
    In the US, the self-esteem of 8’s,9’s and 10’s has left the stratosphere and was last seen headed for Alpha Centauri, 6’s and 7’s think of themselves as Goddesses (thanks to mom, dad and Oprah), and even 4’s and 5’s have attitudes even an 8 would have trouble getting away with under normal circumstances.
    Cyberspace being what it is, there is a LOT of self-delusion, grandstanding, fish stories and fantasy bs, women are women, and if you’re a guy who is short/fug/old/poor/low status you will likely face LOTS of rejection regardless of where you go.
    Listen to the Russian/Ukrainian guys who have posted here, they have front row seats to the spectacle. There are currently 2 Ukrainian girls who regularly show up at one of my favorite haunts and they are easily as bitchy as any of their American sistahs.. Also, I cannot recall ever having seen a eastern European women who was still attractive after 40, for those of you considering marriage.
    Perhaps most pathetic of all, the guys who dream of the demure, submissive Asian cook/maid, a fantasy fueled by too many Nickelodeon reruns of 1950’s/early 60’s US TV shows and too many porno movies. Those guys have obviously never spent any time around Asians.
    Save the money you would have spent on travel to Asia and either become a nerd – enabling you to date Asian-American fellow nerdettes – or one of those out-of-shape middle-aged losahs , complete with the Hawaiian shirt covering your ever-expanding belly and hook up with escorts/ gold-diggers, who can be found at your friendly neighborhood ‘massage’ parlor in any fair-sized US city.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 9:49 am Gracian

      LOL. This is funny…but true.

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 10:33 am Anonymous

      I had a Thai ex and she definitely wasn’t a delusion. I wasn’t even allowed in the kitchen. She did whatever I told her to. She went to school and worked to support my lazy alcoholic ass, and every day she left a “present” for me in the fridge, usually cake. She wasn’t one of the ugly Thais, she had a slim hourglass figure and a pretty face, a 7 maybe. She allowed me to sleep with other girls, because she knew I was a player and easy to scare away, but I had to follow three rules: Always use a condom, only fuck other girls once, and never fuck my girlfriend’s friends.

      Asians are better at putting up with beta behavior, but if you’re charismatic and dominant they’ll turn you into their king. My ex in particular deluded herself into thinking that I would be some famous Danish author one day, and that kept her going. She told me, “I’ll do anything for you and I don’t care if you do nothing in return.” My job in the relationship was to compliment her food and fuck her silly every day.

      You can call it a fantasy, but it’s not a fantasy if it happened. I think Asians are more responsive to masculinity than any other race. They’re collectivist by nature, followers who need someone to tell them what to do. Trained the right way, Asian girls can become slaves, just the way communists regimes turned their countries into big slave farms.

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 1:41 pm Gracian

        No THAT, Mr. Anon, is the way to create a ‘massive penis erection’ among the throng of CH parishioners !!!

        Well done.

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  72. on July 12, 2013 at 9:44 am Gracian

    I know some of you sexually deprived and unlucky-in-love betas mentioned running off to France to try your luck with French females.

    [CH: Some of us are sexually satisfied and loved to death by current flames, and still want to taste the nectar of Joan’s sinful Seine.]

    You should seriously reconsider, as the French government is increasingly hostile towards the ‘racist and racially degrading’ Internet banter that is unfortunately a core theme of the site. The French government will publicly disclose your exact name. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2361751/Twitter-agrees-reveal-names-people-post-racist-anti-Semitic-comments-losing-French-legal-battle.html.

    [Are you, Gracian, a supporter of speech controls?]

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    • on July 12, 2013 at 9:52 am Gracian

      Fair question. I believe in free speech.

      [CH: Do you then think what the French have demanded and to what Twitter has acquiesced is upholding the concept of free speech?]

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      • on July 12, 2013 at 10:07 am Gracian

        No. The actions of the French government do not uphold free speech.

        However, I can understand why the French government feels compelled to do it.

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 10:46 am Hugh G. Rection

        That’s a pretty weasely response. Do you think it’s justified or not?

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  73. on July 12, 2013 at 9:48 am Ben

    You’re about 10 years too late, mate

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  74. on July 12, 2013 at 11:50 am Nicole

    Ukraine is a good choice.

    Just…make sure to be fit.

    Seriously. Compared to Ukrainians, American men are tepid corpses.

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    • on July 13, 2013 at 10:42 am Hugh G. Rection

      You’re one to talk…

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      • on July 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm Nicole

        That your mind would even go there when I’m talking about men not embarrassing themselves in bed with a Ukrainian woman drives the point home pretty well that your biology affects your mentality.

        Stop working out for the pretty, and do something with your strength that matters and adds to your life and experiences. Learn to love your inner animal. Then you might not be so damned insecure.

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      • on July 14, 2013 at 12:11 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Yeah, right. Got any more platitudes?

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      • on July 15, 2013 at 5:46 pm Nicole

        Got any more adolescent anger towards people who are trying to help you?

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  75. on July 12, 2013 at 12:02 pm AlphaBeta

    Feminists rejoiced http://www.womenlargejaw.com/

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  76. on July 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm Ron G

    If you can’t leave the country, you gotta read this book. Some may not like it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sleeping-Prostitutes-Escorts-ebook/dp/B00DVLO93Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373674384&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ultimate+guide+to+sleeping+with+prostitutes

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    • on July 13, 2013 at 6:13 pm cryo

      Who the fuck needs a guide to buying whores? It’s a cash transaction, like buying a pack of smokes. It’s not that hard.

      And here I thought YaReally was beating a straw man with his tirade against men fleeing to Europe for pussy. Are American men really so pathetic that they must resort to whores for sexual intimacy? I mean I know it’s tough out there but come the fuck on.

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      • on July 15, 2013 at 5:47 pm Nicole

        Yes. Yes they are.

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  77. on July 12, 2013 at 7:42 pm jasd

    I dont get why you adn Roosh are obsessed with Ukraine. The girls have weird alien like faces and lack DAT ASS. Big round ass is essential to female beauty.

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    • on July 13, 2013 at 8:27 pm Syd Barrett

      Especially on a baboon .

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  78. on July 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm Pete

    Don’t forget that in Western Russia and Ukraine there is a strong German component in the women.

    By mid-1942, as I recall, there were 3.5 million German-Russian and German-Ukrainian children from matings with the German Wehrmacht (including SS).

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    • on July 14, 2013 at 7:39 am Caramba

      You tend to give these bold and absolutely ridiculous statements.
      3.5 mln is a hell a lot of a number.And you are first person every saying this,no contemporary witnesses,no historians,nobody ever said it.\

      From the personal experience of my grandmother who lived under the german occupation I can say that although the cases of relationships between the germans and ukrainian/russian women indeed took place,they were sporadical and were seen as a pure disgrace.

      Besides there were almost no germans in the Ukrainian/western russian villages during the occupation.Most of the wehrmacht were busy on the front.The order was maintained by the administration,consisting up to 90% from the locals.

      And,finally,on a separate note-what is wrong with german blood anyways?Germans,and slavs have been living side-by-side since the early times,they are a very closely related group of indo-europeans.The genetics of both germans and slavs is very intermixed.

      Read who were the Pomeranians,Prussians,Obodrites and so on

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  79. on July 13, 2013 at 7:14 pm anon

    Graduate programs in quantitatively rigorous disciplines (economics, finance, stats, pure math) always have a host of cock hungry Chinese women. Most of them are average/below average looking; part of the reason they’re there is because they weren’t able to secure a husband. Still, a nerdy western guy with even a modicum of game can clean up here without having to actually go to another country and it would be a great place to find a wife/ mother of one’s children.

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  80. on July 14, 2013 at 12:34 am Rollory

    Having been there, I should mention that every region of Ukraine has its own distinctive look in people’s (and women’s) faces – it might not be obvious at first glance but when you start seeing a lot of them, you notice the patterns. Some of these looks might be more to any one person’s liking than others.

    Odessa is a very solid starting point. You can’t really go wrong there.

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    • on July 14, 2013 at 12:36 am Rollory

      wish this thing had an edit – meant to say, women’s faces particularly, not to distinguish women from people. I’m not that big a jerk.

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  81. on July 15, 2013 at 5:36 pm Kenny Pua

    @Rollory You don’t have to be a jerk to take a certain position on stuff like this. Sound more Alpha dude!

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    • on July 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm Rollory

      I do. I know when I’ve said something pointlessly insulting without intending to, and I’m a big enough man to admit it.

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