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Chicks Dig Jerks: The Truth Is Breaching Containment Zone

July 17, 2013 by CH

Nigel Havers, a British TV actor, has some choice comments about the nature of female sexuality.

TV heart-throb Nigel Havers says women ‘never learn’ when it comes to men – because they cannot stop pursuing ‘cads’. […]

[Havers] finds out that his maternal great-great-grandfather, David Couch, had an illegitimate daughter with a 19-year-old servant girl.

Havers, 61, told the Radio Times: ‘You can’t help but think you’ve inherited some of their qualities. David was a bit of a cad, which is the sort of part I’ve played.

‘I made The Charmer in 1987, which was dangerous for me because I didn’t think viewers would warm to such a ghastly character. And yet the opposite happened. However evil he was, people liked him.

More precisely, men wanted to be him, women wanted him.

‘Throughout history women tend to like cads. They want to mother and change them. It’s exciting, but always ends in tears.

‘They don’t learn, do they? I don’t mean that in a sexist way. Some women prefer a stable life, but others love danger.’

He goes on to say that men love dangerous women, too, but that’s just CYA equalist squid ink, meant to appease feminist shrike censors. Men love hot women, and if they happen to be bitches, well… men won’t turn down a romp in the sack with them, though they will think twice about committing to them, and they certainly won’t rationalize their bitchiness like so many women rationalize the caddishness and assholery of jerks and terrorist bombers.

Women go out of their way to locate, identify and seduce jerks. Men do not go out of their way to locate, identify and seduce bitches. (Men will go out of their way to target sluts, nice or not.) Women love jerks *because* they’re jerks. Men will occasionally love hot bitches *despite* their bitchiness. If you need scientific evidence to corroborate everyone’s personal observation and age-old wisdom, the CH archives are filled with links to relevant studies.

What about the theory that women want to mother and change cads? There is something to this, but it’s not the primary urge that drvies women into the arms of unsavory men. The female love for jerks is, translated, a love for dominant men who, in the state of nature (and equally in the state of modern society), can protect them from invaders and sire sons who will inherit the same badboy pussy-collecting genes.

It’s helical imperatives all the way down.

But women also possess a compulsion to domesticate men who fall within their long-term seductive purview. It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective that women would serve their fitness-enhancing interests by cutting the nutsack off their conquests, lest valuable testosterone-y goodness is diverted to the project of further pussy plunder and away from amassing resources for her growing family.

But betas don’t inspire this womanly desire to geld, because betas already come packaged with nuts sold separately. Only cads and d-bags, nuts present and accounted for, send women swooning alternately between depths and heights of ecstatic submissive lust and egocentric lion taming. The lesson for the inveterate womanizer with love in his heart should be clear: Let her change only that about you with which you were already willing to part.

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  1. on July 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm Anon

    Yep.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 7:54 am Zombie Shane

      What most people – even here in the manosphere – don’t seem to realize is that this entire breakdown in manners and civility and even Civilization itself was not some random devolution of society.

      It was all intentionally & methodically & purposefully devised, planned, and executed by the Frankfurt School.

      Exhibit #1: The Pornification of Chick Commentary

      http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/07/17/jenny-mccarthys-hiring-on-view-prompts-backlash-boycott-calls/

      Exhibit #2: The Pornification of Mass Murder

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/17/rolling-stone-features-boston-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-on-cover/

      Here in just the last 24 hours, the Frankfurt School is simultaneously telling our young women both that the path to financial success is to be found in being a filthy butthextualized whore like Jenny McCarthy and also that the most desirable mate to be found is a swarthy young swashbuckling Alpha Cad mass-murderer like Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

      Note that The View is run by a Scots-Irishwoman named Barbara MacWalters and that ABC is owned by Disney which is run by a Scots-Irishman named Michael MacEisner.

      And note that the Dzhokhar propaganda piece was written by a Scots-Irishwoman named Judith MacReitman and that Rolling Stone magazine is owned by a Scots-Irishman named Jann MacWenner.

      Again: It was, is, and will always be COMPLETELY INTENTIONAL.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 11:26 am John South

        Those darn Scotch-Irishmen are taking over everything!

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 10:35 am Anon

      CH, on your Breivik tweet: and that dude is a weird scary jerk too.

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  2. on July 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm Maya

    The lesson for the inveterate womanizer with love in his heart should be clear: Let her change only that about you which you were already willing to part.

    Which is – everything. When you meet the right girl 🙂

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 2:04 pm zykos

      I’ve a guy is ready to change everything for a girl, he is too beta for her. She may be “the one” (I hate this expression) for him, he’s definitely not “the one” for her.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm Maya

        I don’t agree. Well, actually, I probably didn’t understand what Hearts was trying to say with this sentence. Maybe he thought that you shouldn’t let a woman walk over you, become a doormat etc. But if he thought that a man should always hold back and pretend to be more ”alpha” than he is, even when he is already married, I don’t agree with that.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm Anonymous

        Maya, didn’t you say you were saving your virginity for heartiste?

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 3:48 pm itsme

        a man who allows a woman to change everything about him IS a doormat. and he’ll become someone she despises even as she is the one molding him, because what she loves about him – his masculinity – is not something she can improve because she is a woman..

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm Flahute

        Women are so fucking stupid. They want to make the man they love into their servant, and when they succeed, they discover that they have to start over with a new man because their servant is no longer a man.

        Men are so fucking stupid to change anything for a woman.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm Testicles

        Pretty much. As someone truly wise once said, women are crazy, men are stupid. The main reason women are crazy, is because men are stupid.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:57 am Greg Eliot

        It’s men’s fault that women are crazy… :rolleyes

        The shit that passes for drollery these days… (sigh).

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 4:31 pm Anonymous

        I don’t agree.

        I don’t care.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:27 pm Original_O

        I’d be divorced already if I let her change everything about me. Thanks for underscoring the point again that you should never take a woman’s advice for what women want.

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      • on July 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm Wayne Earl

        exactly. in a self defeating temper tantrum, she opined in marriage counciling, “what happened to the man I fell in love with?”. To which I replyed the following week, “I’m still here, now get out” as I threw her out and demanded a divorce. fortunately, the landlord owns the alpartment, who decided he wanted to change the locks to protect himself from the crazy. funny that…

        still paying alimony. this is only money, and is a small price to pay, and will end very soon. there is no surgery scars on my nuttsack from her or any other bitch removing them.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Let her slowly strip away what attracted her to you in the first place? Yeah, right.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 9:53 am chi-town

        In other words, never lose that part of you that made her slowly strip.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm Scray

      ‘Which is – everything. When you meet the right girl ‘

      No. No to the max. Huge mistake. The fact that I go out a few times a month and have a fun drunk blowout with my friends is attractive. I have no idea why or how…but it is. Girls listen with rapt fascination as I detail my drunken adventures (sometimes I just fib and say that I did a lot of stuff sober — while gaming — drunk….lots of fun stories from gaming and drinking). And they’ll add, as an afterthought ‘you party too much.’ blah blah blah.

      Point is, that sense of adventure is appealing and good. To lose the manifestations of it — going out, living life, etc — would be to lose myself and a big chunk of what she likes about me.

      But the wrong lesson for me to take from it would be ‘yaaaa….must always get drunk and party with friends and always be a pussy hound and go out and chase.’

      I kind of think they see positive traits — even if they manifest themselves in “not the best” ways — and the potential therein. So ya, maybe I should find better manifestations of being adventurous. Instead of getting drunk with friends….idk, become an entrepreneur lol,

      They want you to do something with what they see you have. If you go to the gym a lot and get a nice bod, you’d probably hear the same thing —> you go to the gym too much. That doesn’t mean ‘get fat,’ it just means ‘do something.’ Like, if you just made a point to lift something heavy for her around the house once every so often I bet it’d make her hella happy lol.

      ….
      These observations and thoughts are just from all of the time I’ve been spending recently in comfort/quasi-relationshippy territory with girls and trying to interpret what they say and what it means and etc.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 8:31 am Cragsleeper

        It goes back to the point that’s made here about watching what women do instead of listening to what they say. A good friend listened to his new wife when she asked him to stop working out so much (much to my frustration, losing a gym buddy) and 7 years later they’ve both let themselves go and by his own admission have an almost sexless marriage. It’s a shame considering he had an amazing build when they were dating and he just didn’t understand that she was attracted to that no matter what she might have been telling him. I’ve seen this personally when I was in college ROTC dating an artsy girl who always spoke negatively concerning the military and that she didn’t think I was being smart and I “should be thinking harder about my future”. Not that such concerns aren’t well founded, but she loved it when I was in uniform and took her to the military ball or awards ceremony etc… those nights she would almost always jump my bones.

        Scray I’ll admit a little envy concerning how you describe your social circle. I’m still having trouble finding a group to go out with and the lack of social proof is working against me.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:19 pm Scray

        My number one preferred setup is just me and wing. That’s it, that’s all. Sometimes other people tag along (which I don’t really like that much), and sometimes I have to just go with other people (which is also bleh).

        But if the lack of social proof is killing you, try short setting the venue. Don’t put so much pressure on yourself. Whenever I’m alone (and I’m not in a huge club…), I always try to just short set four or five times before legit approaching an actual set. Just say ‘hi’ to people and assume authority, ‘you guys having a good time, this is a good venue, blah blah blah k I’m gonna circulate and check up on you rascals later…..’ and maybe show them a special handshake (girls go ga-ga over funny little handshakes….I’ve learned like 10 from them saying shit ‘no that one is lame, do this one!’). Also what helps me is to take all of the pressure off of myself.

        I kinda just view going out alone as an exercise for your internals, anyway. Like, I’m only at 20% when I go out alone. But I notice that going out alone more makes me way better/more chill/more DGAF when not alone.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 5:50 am Glengarry

      “Which is – everything. When you meet the right girl”

      Run, hamster, run.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:27 am Anon

      what the fruck is this shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVZsl2b91Os every fat 5 thinks she can shovel on a tone of makeup and be a singer now. all singing the same exact garbage autotuned same beat crap. very rarely will you find a hot woman who even tries to play an instrument. but all of them think they are singers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVZsl2b91Os

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  3. on July 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    this is why women will always transform any exalted aspect or institution of culture into their own likeness, for women invert the true meanings of alpha and beta. hence, when women reign, conservatism means not the following of the sacred codes of honor set forth by homer, moses, and jesus, but following their butt and gina tingellzzl on towards repetaing the lies of sectieve tapers of buttehxtz zzlzlzolzo

    THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN WILL RIDE AGAIN: THE INVERSION OF ALPHA & BETA: THE FALSE SIREN OF DR. HELEN SMITH’S MEN ON STRIKE & Michelle Malkin’s Hand-Wringing

    All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest:

    0. THE BIBLE
    1. Homer’s Iliad
    2. Homer’s Odyssey
    3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
    4. Virgil’s Aeneid
    5. Socrates’ Apology
    6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
    7. Plato’s Repulic
    8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
    9. Aristotle’s Poetics
    10. Dante’s Inferno
    11. The Declaration of Independence
    12. The Constitution
    13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
    14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
    15. Newton’s Principia
    16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
    17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
    18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
    19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
    20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
    21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
    22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
    23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
    24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
    25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
    26. THE BIBLE

    Please note that neither Dr. Helen Smith nor Michelle Malkin ever, ever, ever quote nor acknowledge THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Next time you see them, ask them why they never salute our EXALTED FATHERS and our NOBLE HERITAGE and the FOUNDATION OF NATURAL RIGHTS, THE FAMILY, FATHERHOOD, and NATURAL LAW.

    For instance, in her book http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/1594036756

    Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream – and Why It Matters

    why does Helen Smith never quote Moses nor Genesis nor Jesus who DEFINE MARRIAGE? Why does Helen Smith never quote Genesis?

    13: And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
    14: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
    15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
    16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    DOES HELEN SMITH NOT REALIZE WHY MEN HAVE BOYCOTTED MARRIAGE? It is because it has been desouled, debauched, and bernankified, robbed of its exalted spirit, and transformed into yet another beenrnekified fraud to transfer assets from men to da beenrkeiified statez zlolzozoz.

    Why does HELEN SMITH never quote Moses? Did not Moses know a thing or two about BEING A MAN, even though he never negged, nor peacocked nor wore furry hatsz to get some pre-berbebenkiifed butthozlzizol buttcockinzg (which da noeocnths sectreletly tape zlzzoz):

    6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    7 “You shall have no other gods before[b] me.

    8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousandgenerations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    11 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

    12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant,nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do.15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

    16 “Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land theLord your God is giving you.

    17 “You shall not murder.

    18 “You shall not commit adultery.

    19 “You shall not steal.

    20 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

    21 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor’s house or land, his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

    RIGHT THERE WE SEE THAT “THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIVES ASS & THOU SHALT NOT COMMITT ADULTERY” meaning dat it is worng so very worng to buttcock someoenes future potential wife and tape it in sectrievz zlzzlzloozoz

    Why does DR. HELEN SMITH never quote JEsus? 3Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?”4And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,5and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’?6“So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”7They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?”8He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.9“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.

    So one can see that MOSES JESUS and GENESIS all agree dat der is to be no sectirve tapings of butthxte nor any transfer of a man’s welath to da beernnake state nor shall any other man be allwedz allowedz to buttcock nor ginacock your wifez. WHY DOES HELEN SMITH NOT QUOTE MOSES, NOR JESUS, NOR GENESIS? lzozoz DOES SHE NOT SEE THAT RETURNING TO THE EXALTED PRINCIPLES SET FORTH IN THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN WOULD RESURRECT MARRIAGE?

    Ask the neocons next time you see them–what do they have against the exalted wisdom of MOSES, JESUS, HOMER, and the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN?

    And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*.

    One of the remarkable things you will learn by READING THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN is the contemporary inversion of Alpha and Beta.

    In THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN, the Alphas were ACHILLES, JESUS, ODYSSEUS, AENEAS (THE PIUS AENEAS), JEFFERSON, WASHINGTON, ADAMS, MADISON, HAMILTON.

    In all too much of pop manosphere and neoconthz culture, the Alphas are teh secrtetive tapers of buttehxt and the negging wearers of furry hatsz. While Odysseus and Christ and Aeneas resisted womanly and worldly temptations, the modern peacockingz neoconcth gamerz buttehxtesz them. Note how while Charlotte Allen of the Weekly Standard refrains from ever speaking of Odysseus or Achilles or Aeneas, she dutifully repeats the lies of sectrieve taperz of buttehxt whose films lost $10,000,000+ on $12,000,000 budgets, thusly fitting the neocons’ definition of “Art” scucucctetehe” and “”manliness” by creating more debt than wealth while butthetxingz.

    MAny churchian commenters at Dalrock’s blog preach that “Women crave exalted, manly, alpha leadership,” and what they mean by “exalted, manly, alpha leadership” is secrteive tapers of buttehxt buttehxting themz, instead of, say, the wisdom of MOSES, JESUS, ODYSSEUS, PAUL, ACHILLES, MISES, AENEAS, HOMER, VIRGIL, AND DANTE. One of the remarkable aspects of Dalrcok’s Christian/Churchian blog is how THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN and Jesus and Moses are constantly under attack as his commenters oft teach that 1) Jesus came not to fulfill the law, but to abolish it so as to sanctify their lust for buttcockingz, 2) The gospel of Jesus is “noise,” 3) High-value men are those who stick their cockasz in other men’s potential wives the most, 4) Homer’s Nobility is Satanic, and 4) Women crave exalted leadership and it is men’s fault that they do not get it: (BREAKING CHURCHIAN NEWS: All evil ever perpetuated by women is a man’s fault. For women naturally crave manly, exalted leadership. Sometimes it appears otherwise, but really, this is just a woman’s way of testing a man to see if he is strong enough to make her butt and gina tingellzlzo simultaneously. For instance, when a woman checks herself into an abortion clinic, by her choice, and has the baby vacuumed out of her womb, by her choice, it is no cause for alarm, as it is just a “shit-test” of the men in her life. Manly men will rise to the occasion, whence her butt and gina will tingle, and they can conceive another bastard out of wedlock, so she can shit-test him again by murdering her baby.)

    One commenterzz at dalrockz blogz claimes but but but WOMENZ CRAVE MALE LEADERSHIZP (meaning of course not the exlated form of male leadership fournd in THE GRETA BOOKSF FOR MENZ but the domiznziece of peacockingz buttccoekrz). lzozoozozo

    but, it is simply not true dat womenz crave exalted male leadership. read tehir cosmo and you will see dat womenz crave tipz on buttehxt and anal lubez, as opposed to, say, MOSES, MISES, HOMER, SHAKESPEARE, VIRGIL. any time a woman is given a leadership pososition, it is for teh puroppoees of debauching and destorying the GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ and NATURAL RIGHTS and FAMILY, GOD, and FAITH.

    for afterall, Dear SSM,

    If women are really craving male leadership,
    Why do they not repeal
    All the misandric, anti-male laws
    which penalize and persecute men for leading?

    As women are the vast majority of law students
    why do they not form men’s rights legal groups
    to defend the leadership of men?

    SSM, as you state women crave male leadership,
    why are not women acting in a way
    to return male leadership to the center and circumference
    of society?

    SSM–are you going to blame this on men too
    are you going to state that even though women
    are the vast majority of law students
    they need a man to found the men’s rights group
    and lead women into it?

    Is that what women are waiting for on all the college campuses?
    Men to found men’s rights groups
    and Corral/herd women into them?

    SSM–you really do have quite a low opinion of women
    and yet, you blame men for their inadequacies
    and you see your low opinion of woman
    as being a man’s fault.

    To the neoconthz churchiansz Alpha= fornicating forinicating teahcing Jesus came t9 o abolish the law of Moses, now and then reaidng PJMedis, butteockcingz, creating debt, and never, ever, ever talking about THE GRETA BOOKS FOR MENZ nor the CLASSIXCXZ, except to teach that Homer, Virgil, and Dante are Satanic, while their own peakciingz and buttoccking and sectriev tapingz of butthetx is good, true, virtuous.

    Beta traits to the PUA neocncths churchiansz= Honor, Integrity, Restraint, Purity, Valor, Piety, Refusal of Temptations, Duty, Courage

    But in the GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ, one finds the exact OPPOSITEZ.

    AND HAVE FIATH DAT LONG AFTER DA MISLED, DEBASED, DEBAUCHED RAMBLINGZ OF TH EBUTTCOCKERZ AND NEONCOTH BUTTCOCKERZ HAVE DFDAED TO NAUGHT, CHRIST, MOSES, HOMER AND THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN WILL ONCE AGIAN EXALT THE TRUE ALPHA TRAITS OF HONOR, INTEGRITY, PURITY, CHASTITY, RESTRAINT, AND MORALITY instead of the smelly buctccokingz of teh neoocnth bolshevik communists mooveemnzt.

    DA GBFM REVIEWS HIS FRITS BOOKZ!!! ”Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream – and Why It Matters Yo YO yo llzooz” lzozozozozo –http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/the-great-books-for-men-will-ride-again-the-inversion-of-alpha-beta-the-false-siren-of-dr-helen-smiths-men-on-strike-michelle-malkins-hand-wringing/

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm Opus

      I find it hard to determine whether GBFM:

      1. Has difficulty finding anything to say on the subject in question or if he does the felicity to adequately say it, or

      2. Iis a troll

      Repeating the same list of books in response to every post (here and elsewhere) merely turns GBFM into a unary bird who no matter what you say to him always replies ‘pretty polly’.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:04 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Opus is a typical mangina beta of our age.

        Although the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN would solve all our greater problems as a civilization, Opus sees them as irrelevant to anything and everything, as they will not help him tip his little pee pee in some pre-berankfiied bunghoelz or gianahoelz once a monthez lzozozozooozozoz

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 pm Georgia Boy

        I usually agree with him, but use your own blog. I don’t see CH hijacking threads on other people’s blogs to post the 16 Commandments all the time. People seem to tolerate it for now but that doesn’t mean it will last. Failing that, at least just post links, not the full text.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozo
        so is da Georgia Boy
        gonna man up
        and ban the great books for men
        and join the feminsistz
        and the necocnthz
        and the churchainz
        and the betasz
        and teh manginasz
        and the feminsistz necocnthz
        and the necocnthz manginasz
        and the manginasz churchainz?

        go ahead son,
        make my day
        zlzozoozozozoz

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        here we go again,
        the manoshpherz RAGING AGAINST THE GREAT BOOKSZ FOR MENZ
        and then waking up and wondering
        “where have my children gone? why do i have no rights? why am i being taxed to support bastard chirclrdreen and other menz warsz and debaucheries?”
        just like his 30 year old sister
        who wakes up one fine morning to ask
        “where have all the good men gone?”
        and
        “Why is my butt sore?”
        zlozozozoz

        i’ve said it before and ill say it again
        the greatest enemy of MOSES HOMER JESUS VIRGIL DANTE JEFFERSONZ
        is today;s mangina men
        many of hwom wer eriaded by single mothersz
        and taught to hate manly traits
        and whine and bitch and moan
        and now and then be rewarded
        by getting their little tiny cockasz
        stuck in some ebenrankified bunghoelzozlozzl
        lzozozozozo

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm Troubadour

        many of hwom wer eriaded by single mothersz

        Or raised by a mother married to a total omega, which might actually be worse. “David, I don’t give a fuck that you spent 80 hours working this week! I wanted somebody to take me shopping. Since you made me go out alone I spent all your money!”

        Dad should have beaten the ever-loving shit out of Mom at least once. It might have changed my whole life much sooner.

        Some women just need beating. Mom was one of them.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:30 pm Anonymous

        Yah this message has been heard and told many times enough already

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      • on July 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm Wayne Earl

        GBFM is a troll, but one can only understand the significance if one has read and comprehended all the GBFM – which I personally have. GBFM model,the Ur-GBFM can be found in the pages of GBFM’s most influencial book, The Bible. For he is the theif hung along side Jesus during the crucifixion, who is said to be among the first to experience the grace of salvation and forgiveness, because he had faith enough to have experienced a life so full of sin he was sentenced to die by the judges of man, yet in spite of this lifetime of experience with the carnal, was the first to choose the path of Jesus as the only correct and proper way. Freedom is little more then a word to anyone who was not once a slave.

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      • on July 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        you mom’s a troll lzozzlzlozllzzlzozzlzo

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 2:29 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        It’s just copypasta word salad, which is nowhere near as refreshing on a summer afternoon as you’d think it would be.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm Matthew King

        The salad is rancid and the ants have long since overtaken this swampcrotch shitpicnic.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 11:20 am Slang

        The dude is a massive attention whore. Then he’ll make a personal attack on anyone who calls it out. As you have witnessed yourself.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      if my name were NIGEL
      i would nigel every chickzz i menzt
      lzozozoz

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:54 pm Third Beta from the Sun

        we’re only making plans for nigel…

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 4:36 pm Testicles

      Stop. Get out.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlzozoozoz

        King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
        Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

        lzlzlzlzzooz

        37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

        lzlozozolzozo

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:32 pm Anonymous

        GBFM GTFO

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm Judah Ben Hur

      That list needs to include Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations, and the Confessions by Saint Augustine. Odysseus would have all the ladies following him around, even today. They crave male leadership most of all.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 6:38 pm gaoxiaen

      You should add
      1. Human Action- Ludwig von Mises
      2. Anarchy, State, and Utopia- Robert Nozick
      3. Personal Knowledge- Michael Polyani
      4. On War- Carl von Clauswitz
      5. The Quiet American- Graham Greene
      6. With the Old Breed- Eugene Sledge

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:40 pm gaoxiaen

        Moby Dick is the greatest novel of all time.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:06 am Greg Eliot

        I’ve often heard this, and suspect a more-than-little amount of that adoration comes from bernakified butthexter professors among the (ahem) Cathedral literati who are enraptured by the idea of pursuing sperm… the whiter, the better.

        And who told you that you could go a-whaling with men?

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:42 pm cryo

        + Heart of Darkness – Joseph Conrad

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 7:11 pm smoky

      And thus the Great GBFM has spoken. Go in peace brothers.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 8:03 pm red texas

      The great men of our time should be exalted. In historical times men would say I am Ricahrd son of David, son of Paul, son of Elijah etc…. there was a pride in our forefathers and what they accomplished. We should remember we have what we have because of their guts and ingenuity. This is all but forgotten today. I remember when kids used to say my dad can beat up your dad. It is a simple minded way of looking at things but it did show that the kids in the past were proud of their fathers strength and guts to stand up for themselves and for what is right. Sadly, I have not heard any sentiments from kids like that in 30 years or more. Look at ‘Family guy’, ‘The Simpsons’ and countless other shitty shows on TV and it is no surprise. The more we exalt our fathers the less we are slave to the pussy. GBFM’s repetitive list of the great books bears repeating.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:34 am Anon7

      GBFM –

      Thanks for pointing out Seneca’s letters, and putting them on you list. I just grabbed a copy, and will dive in.

      I knew your list was for real as soon as I saw how highly you placed the Iliad and the Odyssey. I was fortunate enough to grow up in an era that had almost no TV aimed at children, and I spent the third and fourth grade reading full-length 19th century translations of those books over and over. Now I know how valuable they are in teaching boys what they need to know to become men (insofar as printed words can do that, as opposed to deeds).

      Don’t stop helping guys find those books!

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  4. on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 pm Nick

    In honor of the late St. Trayvon, may I propose the “next great dismissive alpha male line”? Inspired by all time greats, Skittles Man and “bring the movies” (properly Jeantelized):

    bring da skittles…

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  5. on July 17, 2013 at 2:29 pm jacquesfelixdouglas

    There’s plenty of anecdotal evidence to back it up to. Looking back at my own high school years, I never got with any of the girls I actually liked because I was too busy sucking up to them. Instead, just about every one of their best friends ended up in love with me. Not because I’m oh-so attractive but because I was dismissive of them. I was only interested in the one girl that I really liked and as such, I treated the best friends like a jerk.

    It didn’t work out well for me because I ended up with a line of girls I didn’t like. The smart thing to do would have been to switch the way I treated them but I didn’t know these things back then…

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  6. on July 17, 2013 at 2:31 pm embracingourfemininity

    A woman shouldn’t try to change any man, it’s counter productive. She should be the best woman she can be.. and if he wants to change, he will

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm Maya

      I think attractive and feminine women inspire men to change without any effort.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 3:02 pm embracingourfemininity

        Exactly true Maya. Our power is in our quiet and subtle feminine wiles..not in complaining and nagging and pushing men to change, this will do the exact opposite. 🙂

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 3:12 pm embracingourfemininity

        Maya from your comments I imagine you to be so girly and pretty. I love your name also.. I have a 1st cousin with this name, so pretty.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:55 am Hugh G. Rection

        Is your cousin also batshit insane?

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 4:08 pm corvinus

        Change? You mean like Obama change? No thanks.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm Testicles

      Reality’s different.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:13 am TiredOfLeftwingers

      No one, male or female, can change unless he/she wants to change. Spouses, family, friends, etc can lend encouragement and moral support. But change can only come from within.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 11:30 am Maya

        I believe that it’s also possible to inspire someone into change. For example, an alpha guy who is mainly focused on his career, hobbies and chasing girls can change when he meets the right woman who inspires him to become a family oriented beta.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:28 pm Kate

        I think there’s a difference between changing and re-prioritizing. Changing refers to some alteration in personality (which is less likely to happen) while re-prioritizing is the same personality placing importance on different things (more likely to happen).

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm Original_O

        +1
        Women say they want you to change, but really are happier if you change priorities slightly. My wife (ten years my junior) was wisely told by her mother that at my age she can’t couldn’t change me. She hasn’t. I have changed my priorities some to include her however. +1 for the wisdom of my mother-in-law. Maya, you have a long way to go yet. If you ever make it there continuing down those crooked paths.

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      • on July 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm Wayne Earl

        the challenge is this – there is process, then there is content. the process can ethought of as drive or motivations for achievement the content thought of as specific, time keyed specific examples of outcome. A successful entrapenaur inhis 30s and 40s is using the same or similar process (drive for acomplishment ego gratification, etc) he used to be a PUA in his 20s.

        most people, men and women included, are too stupid and are self aware as a tree stump. they sabotage the drive, rather then redirect the outcome. both men and women do this.

        a nagging, fat, hypogamous whore is nothing more then the reflection of a spineless man.you must have one to have the other. if you have one, you WILL have the other…its only a matter of time.

        if you want a better quality woman, become a high quality man.

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      • on July 22, 2013 at 10:27 am AAB

        >if you want a better quality woman, become a high quality man.<

        That's fine if you live in a controllable environment, but if you're wife/gf lives in close proximity to other 'Nagging Women' (or whatever) then she's going to re-lapse, it's inevitable, just like an alcoholic who has to walk passed a dozens pubs everyday. The Judge on the Pussy Riot case said the same thing. If you want to cure a woman of her disease then you have to quarantine her, which is nigh on impossible in the present day and age.

        The only solution to the problem is to form a community of like minded folk who will not allow your spouse to relapse, because they all think the same as you. Like The Steiner Schools or the PLE (Pioneer Little Europe) communities, that reinforce positive memes by having a positive culture in which to perpetuate them.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:52 pm TiredOfLeftwingers

        Nope. You can do all the “inspiring” you want, but the ultimate decision, to change or not, will be his.

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  7. on July 17, 2013 at 2:39 pm cryo

    This is why I’ve spent a lot of time mastering my “dark, broody” expression, a tool that I pull out whenever I find myself being too agreeable with a chick. Her hamster will fume.

    “Oh he’s such a fun guy but also so damaged and troubled, I know I can change him”.

    lol chicks are dumb

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 9:57 pm Erik Rorrer

      I find this concept amusing.

      Come to think of it I have used a variation of it.

      When it’s one of those type of conversations that make me glaze over, I start thinking about things like… I haven’t had a good lemon bar in a long time or cookies. So I start thinking, can my diet handle that right now. That’s when I start looking like I’m brooding. If they ask I just tell them what I was really thinking.

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  8. on July 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm mrmkey

    Rolling Stone understands how to sell magazines to women.

    “Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone cover: Rock-star treatment or good journalism?”

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2013/0717/Tsarnaev-on-Rolling-Stone-cover-Rock-star-treatment-or-good-journalism

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  9. on July 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm Chicks Dig Jerks: The Truth Is Breaching Containment Zone | Viva La Manosphere!

    […] heartiste.wordpress.com […]

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  10. on July 17, 2013 at 3:01 pm TLM

    GBFM takes down Dr Helen, thx, I was tired of all the manosphere writers kissing her pagan ass, except Rollo.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 4:10 pm corvinus

      The manosphere is quick to worship women who appear to be on their side. I’ll just add: neocon Repubes are quick to worship black or Hispanic dudes who appear to be on the right side, but they always end up stabbing them in the back (Rubio being Exhibit A).

      Caveat emptor.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:05 pm Judah Ben Hur

        I like Ted Cruz so far.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:29 pm corvinus

        Cruz’ mother was a white American. Rubio’s mom, OTOH, was always telling him to take care of the poor illegals. Really.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:56 am Greg Eliot

        This… it’s what comes from the white man’s inherent sense of fairness and justice… which never fails to bite him on the butt when he forgets the lesson of kind bonds first with kind… or “blood will out”, as it were.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 9:39 am Matthew King

        Of course they are quick to recruit incongruous faces to the message. They are the strategic thinkers looking for messengers to infiltrate broad groups of people who otherwise wouldn’t sit still long enough to listen to the argument.

        There is nothing wrong with applauding and encouraging effective messengers, even if they aren’t a hundred-percent in agreement. Hell, 25% agreement would be a good start for this insular/underground/complacent truthtelling society.

        Matt

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 9:32 am Matthew King

      I see. Now we are onto vilifying the author who accomplished the most successful penetration into the mainstream, just like Bill Bennett and Kay Hymowitz, because Helen Smith isn’t sufficiently ideologically pure.

      You people are amateur rabble rousers, and you’re all rabble, soiling your own nest like NAMs after an NBA championship before you’ve built anything worthy of destroying, stepping all over even minuscule victories to demonstrate your zeal. You deserve your obscurity.

      Alpha males make allies out of natural enemies. Omega males make enemies out of natural allies, irritating the wound of the 5% difference rather than concentrating on the 95% agreement.

      The bridge between your purity of the ghetto and entree into the zeitgeist by definition must be built by someone with respectability in both camps. But anyone who has the potential for mainstream cred is automatically rejected by paranoiacs as a double-agent to be cleansed from the temple with extreme prejudice.

      Ship of fools, no captain, leadership by zeal. And in the case of GBFM, literally deranged zeal. Autistocracy.

      Matt

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 9:50 am Erik Roar

        “Omega males make enemies out of natural allies” this is truth.

        [CH: And the corollary: Alpha males make allies out of natural enemies.

        Or destroy them.]

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:36 am Erik Roar

        Good point, I shouldn’t forget that part.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 11:26 am Matthew King

        [CH: … Or destroy them.]

        “Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?” — A. Lincoln

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 11:32 am John South

        So it’s sort of like MMA, win by submission.

        Bend over and let them bang themselves silly, then we got em when they’re sleeping.

        Shrewd.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm Greg Eliot

        A fair point, assuming droll sarcasm.

        This whole “grasp any straw of an apparent ally” philosophy always causes mischief in the end.

        Always.

        It’s how fifth columnists, especially those “good” others, first get a part on our stage and eventually run the whole show.

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  11. on July 17, 2013 at 3:04 pm A Random Guy

    If the current thread is any example, I expect GBFM to dump on me, but I frankly don’t care. That said, I find his posts to be illegible. It’s like he has Tourette’s and/or his cat is walking on the keyboard. There are interesting nuggets here and there, but frankly, I don’t find it worth skipping through the dozens of lines of lzozloxo butthexeedd etc…

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm embracingourfemininity

      I always wonder how long it takes for him to write a post.. some of makes me laugh out loud though. but some of it is a little crude.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:08 pm Mitch Cumstein

        GBFM is why “TL; DR” was invented.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:35 pm wolfie65

        What I’m wondering is who spends that much time on that bckassawards of a keyboard?
        lozlozlzolzz

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:38 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Mitch’s Mom is why “TU; DF” was invented.

        “TU; DF” means

        wait for it

        wait for it

        wait

        for

        it

        lzzozozozoz wait!

        for

        it

        wait for

        it

        wait

        for

        it

        “TU; DF” means
        TOO UGLY DIDN’T FUCK
        zlzlozozozoozozozozooz

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 7:42 pm Mitch Cumstein

        Yeah, that.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 8:03 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        hey u know those three condomz you bought the othe rnight for your girlfriendz? i was standing behind u in da gas station and i saw dat dey were extra extra extra smalzlzl, but od dont’ no worry i won’d tell nobody.

        your cockasz is “ts;ds”

        TOO SHORT DIDNT SEE zlzlozoozoz

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 9:30 pm Mitch Cumstein

        yeah

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm leavesarefalling

        tu;df! you are genius, personified.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:53 am Greg Eliot

        Lawd knows, I’ve often praised GBFM’s inimitable style and underlying droll wisdom.

        However, barb-ous retorts are the one area where his usual panache doesn’t really come to the fore… more’s the pity.

        To call his “yer mom” and “small dick” game of dozens “genius” is, well… South Park Sense & Sensibility… not on the requiring reading list of Great Books For Men.

        You bernakified butthext fairy.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:02 am leavesarefalling

        As far as I can tell “tu;df” has never been uttered on the internet; so sayeth Google. Ergo, genius.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:11 am Matthew King

        A thousand monkeys + a thousand typewriters + enough time = Hamlet.

        Only the pet mascot isn’t a barrel of monkeys, it’s an inarticulate Adler aficionado and third-hand “student” of the masters pounding his fists repeatedly on a keyboard. He is the worst possible advertisement for the practical application of “the best that has been thought and said.”

        His complete inability to play the dozens exposes his witlessness conclusively. He can’t engage a critique, he can’t even produce a sweet burn: he can only say “fucktard” and “mangina” and Ctrl-V.

        Whatever value there is to his conspiracy theory is lost under the Asperger’s. Hint: there’s not that much value anyway. Worst, his instinct is to be belligerent and arrogant among men rather than conciliatory and humble.

        He has been spamming long enough to develop a style, which, by the whim of his hosts, is allowed to triumph over substance for years.

        He can compose entire paragraphs like a normal human being, I’ve seen it. But there are always just enough dullards in the modern world to praise Damien Hirst-like trash rather than call it out for what it obviously is — cf., the complete collapse of discernment in the fine arts. These patrons of shlock keep buying it, he keeps producing it. Long text-walls of gibberish or philosophy are indistinguishable to the skimmer, who takes his cue not by his own reading comprehension but rather by what his fellow fakers collectively praise as “wisdom.” If CH tolerates it, there must be something there.

        But it’s really just GIGO. I’m glad more are noticing, because the charade was insufferable from the start.

        Matt

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm Greg Eliot

        As far as I can tell “tu;df” has never been uttered on the internet; so sayeth Google. Ergo, genius.

        Heh… so-called genius which, even before my time, dudes were saying on the streets.

        You need to get out more, kid.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 4:04 pm Mitch Cumstein

        I welcome GBFM’s commentary and think there’s kernels of genius in there. But I’m saying the “lolozzz” and the language, while sometimes adding to the humor of the post, oftentimes makes it too time-consuming to sort out.

        And leavesarefalling, you do need to get out more.

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  12. on July 17, 2013 at 3:06 pm mrmkey

    Best-rated comment on the article – she puts it so succinctly:

    Your welfare state encourages women to prefer “cads” and chavs. If the welfare state is responsible for single women’s housing, money, tax-credits, feeding, and support, they only need a man for sex and amusement. Men that work to support their families are seen as “boring” and un-necessary.
    – ashley kenassy, Yunis, United Kingdom, 16/7/2013 3:45

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 6:32 am Georgia Boy

      And who gives them sex and pleasure the best? Men who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of it. I.e., not men of virtue. Thinking women will choose the man of best value just seems to me like over-thinking it again, another form of pedestalization. They’re just women, people ignore what’s good for them all the time.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 6:36 am Canadian Friend

      Same thing for career women

      everything is taking care of, she has money for everything, she does not need a good working man, a provider

      a lot of them have a child from a previous relationship so they don’t even need a man to be a good father

      all they need a man for is sex. all they need a man for is to be fucked hard, and “bad” men ( bums, drug addicts, jobless with lots of tattoos etc etc ) tend to fuck women harder.

      which is why women are attracted to them ( on top of all the reasons CH has listed over the years)

      they don’t care about anything but how well and hard he will fuck her

      this is what decades of feminism has brought us.

      a world where women see men as sexual objects,

      but if the relationship of those women is based on sex, not on a finding a good father for her kids, not on finding a good provider, not on finding a good man but based on finding good sex,

      aren’t those women making themselves a sexual object as well?

      yes they are

      and was not one of the main concern of feminists that women were a sexual object in the eyes of men?

      yes.

      Nice work feminists, nice work,

      women are even more sexual objects now after decades of feminism than they have ever been

      if they were not “Fifty shades or Grey” would not have sold over 70 million copies to 70 million “liberated” women who dream of being sexually abused by a bad man…

      …like a sexual object

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  13. on July 17, 2013 at 4:26 pm Scray

    They dig cads in comparison to betas, but it really seems like strong man of virtue > cad.

    Still don’t think it’s because they are jerks. It’s because being a jerk is a manifestation of strength. Chicks dig strength. So, ya jerk is way better than supplicating nice guy because one is strong and the other is weak.

    [CH: Whether the jerkiness itself is attractive to women, or the jerkiness is a signal for other traits that are attractive to women, the consequences and the lessons for men are the same: Act like a jerk, get pussy.]

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm YaReally

      Betas = woman who looks average or ugly with no makeup in plain clothes

      Cads = woman who looks hot in makeup and a slutty dress

      Virtue = woman who looks hot with no makeup in plain clothes.

      Ya, the ideal is the last one, the chick who’s a 10 fresh out of bed on a Sunday morning, but she’s so rare that you’ll take the 2nd one in the meantime.

      Cad is just the fastest/easiest way to display attractive attributes, and women so rarely meet an alpha guy with virtue blah blah who’s ALSO good at seduction, that they’ll go for the cads cause what’s the alternative? Going for the beta or waiting for the unicorn to magically arrive?

      The problem is a lot of betas try jumping to the virtue route but it’s not because that’s who they are, it’s because they think that’s what women want and they’re doing it just to get in the girl’s pants…they aren’t genuinely spreading value or living up to their standards etc…thus the butt-hurtness when their offerings aren’t reciprocate.

      Someone who truly virtuously gives value to the people around him doesn’t care whether they thank him or reciprocate…he’s doing it because that’s who he is.

      But again this is rare. Usually guys like that are guys who’ve been thru a lot of self-discovery in their life and really solidified what they believe and who they are and how they act. We live in a culture that shuns self-analysis and tells us we’re all perfect no matter how shitty we are, and we make fun of people who get into self-help/development and bring them down like crabs in a bucket when they try to grow, so that we won’t be forced to confront our own lack of drive or success.

      So in the meantime, a cad is a convenient option for women. But men should strive to be more than that, for their own sake.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:05 pm Scray

        Ya, thanks for helping express that. Right now it’s like several pieces of a puzzle keep falling down in several places. It’s fun tho. I set that Day 2 for tonight btw……so we’ll see.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:08 pm cryo

        “The problem is a lot of betas try jumping to the virtue route but it’s not because that’s who they are, it’s because they think that’s what women want and they’re doing it just to get in the girl’s pants…they aren’t genuinely spreading value or living up to their standards etc…thus the butt-hurtness when their offerings aren’t reciprocate.”

        Either that or they interpret virtue as never acting out in a way that might offend someone or put others at unease. They think being virtuous is sticking to life’s script and never stepping outside of their innocuous public persona. Most Christian men are guilty of this. They lash out at the world but never seem to fathom how dreadfully boring they seem to women.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm Scray

        +1

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:14 pm YaReally

        Right, exactly. Religion-you-were-raised-with, political correctness, simply being hypnotized by your environment (walking into a swank ballroom party while you’re wearing sweatpants and work as a plumber)…these are all things that influence a man to believe in a set of values/beliefs he’s GIVEN rather than deciding them for himself. So if you’re being “good” to get in a girl’s pants or because god will strike you down or because you don’t want to offend people, you’re still living in reaction to external standards VS being good because that’s who you are.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm jihad

        this is absolutely correct. for example – i’ve slept with 10 girls this year, but lately i’ve been attempting to combat some neediness that has surfaced within me and slowed the flow of ladies.

        however, in the last couple weeks, i’ve had a family emergency (a young relative has a fatal form of cancer and it’s so.fucking.awful i can barely type this without tearing up) and i have been utterly emotionally exhausted. like, i have ZERO in the tank. nothing. at work (hospitality) girls have been so much more flirty than ever before because i’m exhausted and just don’t give a shit. when a beautiful little girl you love so much is about to die pointlessly, game seems distant. yet the girls respond to it like it’s crack cocaine. i’m not a jerk, i just don’t care about getting any of them and am genuinely vulnerable – there’s no room for a veneer when you’re worn out like i am.

        it’s mark manson’s theory – it’s the vulnerability. the “this is what i am, who i am, and where i am – deal with it or get the fuck out.” girls will pick good, honorable men over jerks if they both have that attitude. but most good men don’t. i’m trying.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm embracingourfemininity

        My prayers are with you and your family.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 4:54 pm Scray

      Well, that’s true…but there could be something deeper than just ‘be a jerk.’ If there wasn’t something -deeper- we wouldn’t have to demarcate shit like ‘cheerful asshole’ vs. ‘bitter asshole.’ Aren’t both of them types of jerks?

      [CH: The degree of jerkiness isn’t the distinction there; rather, it’s the outcome dependence. (Outcome independent jerks are more desired than outcome dependent jerks.) But both are still better than being a boring niceguy.]

      There’s a crucial difference between the two types — one is still weak and the other is strong.

      [Conventionally, the jerk is the guy who’s in control of his emotions (note that this doesn’t mean he’s a stone-faced unreadable totem). So his strength is implied. The guy who lets it all hang out and flies his butthurt flag high isn’t a jerk so much as a creep, or a tool, or a loser.]

      What makes the ‘cheerful asshole’ strong is his unbreakable reality. You could call him a faggot and say he was ugly and blah blah blah and he’d still give a genuine smile and shrug —- because nothing you can say or do is going to shake him. His strong will is the key. That’s what’s cool…not really the fact that he’s a dick.

      [I wouldn’t get too carried away with this “just stand there and do nothing when insulted” trope that this is supposed to be attractive to women. Nevertheless, sexy jerks often act in ways and say things that would be deemed impolite by other men, or by niceguys who can’t understand why they don’t get any action.]

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:13 pm Scray

        Yeah, I agree with you — the cheerful asshole = outcome independent, which demonstrates a strong will. The bitter asshole = outcome dependent, which demonstrates weak will. And ya, I agree that being a bitter asshole is better than being a nice guy, because it takes more guts to be a bitter asshole. Bitter assholes are at least expressing themselves and how they feel.

        And ya, I can accept that a bitter asshole is a creep, tool, loser, etc — all better than being a “nice guy.”

        Okay, well it seems like the attractive traits here = outcome independence, control over emotions. Is being a jerk important for that? I guess easy examples to point to for that trait are jerks.

        And “just stand there and do nothing when insulted” isn’t what I meant from ‘shrug and smile.’ Shrugging and smiling, or just smirking, or continuing on like you could give a fuck are actions taken in the face of insults. I get what you’re saying….to do nothing (or to laugh when it isn’t funny…yccck) isn’t so cool.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm YaReally

        I heart both of you but the disconnect you guys are running into here is what I’ve said before about “if two of the same thing give you different results, drill deeper to find the diamond of a consistent principle”.

        CH is just looking more at the surface level of “what works” while Scray is trying to figure out “WHY does this work?” (because this is all a new/fascinating puzzle to him, I was the same way myself and attribute the drive to link concepts together as part of why I improved quickly)

        You guys technically aren’t disagreeing, you’re just looking at different levels of the concept/principle.

        The commonalities between the aggressive take-no-shit asshole and the laid back no fuck given agreeable asshole are knowing their own standards of what they tolerate from people and being congruent to that. They have different standards from eachother but the point is that they, personally, have those standards from within themselves. ie – when the aggressive assholish says “HEY. Cut that shit out.” he’s not doing that because he’s worried about what people will think, he’s doing it because it crosses his line. Same time when the chill guy is like “ya man you got me, there’s a dildo in my ass right NOW, that’s why I’m sitting funny”, he’s not doing it because he’s worried about what people will think, he’s doing it because it doesn’t cross his line.

        In both cases they’re congruent to their solid internal beliefs and acting from their own intentions rather than reacting to the world around them. Those are the diamond consistent concepts under the differing surface behaviors.

        …but it’s easier to just tell newbies to act like assholes because this is too deep for them. Then trust that they’ll dig for the diamond on their own down the road. Learning game is a life-long journey. 🙂

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:31 pm YaReally

        To clarify further, on the “stand there and take it” “shrug & smile” thing, that’s generally my method when it comes to personal insults. But I’m not bottling up seething rage and just putting on a “no fucks given” front…I legitimately don’t care so I’ll shrug and smile. I’m congruently expressing myself.

        Same time a legit alpha who scolds someone isn’t doing it because he’s thinking “oops I don’t really care but it’s time to start some drama here” and acting…he’s congruently expressing himself.

        So regardless of which external act is performed, the diamond concept under the surface is congruently expressing yourself. That’s what’s attractive and why both methods can work

        Contrast that to the newbie PUA who’s starting drama as a routine but doesn’t have any intent backing up his pretend anger, or the angry fucker who’s putting on a fake smile pretending nothing’s wrong but clearly seething under the surface…neither of those guys is congruent or expressing themselves, and neither of them is attractive.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 10:37 pm Erik Roar

        I view it as something like an inner frame, when you got a solid inner core you got a solid internal frame. No need for pretend anger or fake smiles at that point, you are congruent in that state of mind, self calibrated.

        Now staying in that state…

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:51 pm FuriousFerret

        “In both cases they’re congruent to their solid internal beliefs and acting from their own intentions rather than reacting to the world around them. Those are the diamond consistent concepts under the differing surface behaviors.”

        This is the Buddha zen shit of the true meaning of “Be Yourself”. The advice itself is actually solid however the big problem is when people say ‘Be Yourself” to betas what they actually mean is be the boring beta work mule that society wants you to be while the alphas plunder the wealth and pussy.

        I would venture to say that almost no man’s true inner actualized self is that of a subservient beta pussy, it’s just that it’s the role that has been chosen for them by other more powerful parties and they accept this as ‘themselves”.

        Also what’s interesting is that in modern times, being a beta is all an illusion. Men are held in paper cages whereas in the past men such as serfs were tied by steel and force to forcibly be betas. Our struggle is mental and metaphysical one. The brilliance of the American man’s bonds is that they are shackle free which may prove to be a more indestructible prison than a physical one. What better bondage is there than the one that you willingly enter into and abide by?

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:52 pm Scray

        Ya this all seems like more advanced stuff for sure. Def not anything I deploy with any amount of consistency.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:56 pm cryo

        “Then trust that they’ll dig for the diamond on their own down the road. Learning game is a life-long journey.”

        Roosh has a good post on this http://www.rooshv.com/ego-sex

        Yeah yeah, Roosh is a faggot, Return of Kings sucks, etc

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 1:47 pm Original_O

      Simply demonstrating strength of conviction will get you called a jerk at times… because you fail to toe their line. But as we all know, never pay attention to what women say. Watch what they do.

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  14. on July 17, 2013 at 4:43 pm The Scolds' Bridle

    Borrowing from the mathematical concept of limits in calculus, I have only one question to ask the “guys love bitchy women” crowd:

    In qualitative terms, exactly how bitchy would Rosie O’Donnell or Margaret Cho have to be before a man would rather bang them than Zooey Deschanel or Emma Watson?

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 5:00 pm Scray

      Emma Watson…god. Dammit.

      Guys don’t love bitches, per se. Guys love the feminine Emma Watson, to me, is around a 7. But just look at that gif. Look at it. If I saw her in a club and she did that to me……………I don’t even……..

      The point is that women who use their sexuality to get what they want from men and are obvious about it do become way more attractive. Just look at that goddamn gif, man. Look at it. So it’s a type of bitchiness — it’s feminine bitchiness.

      [CH: No I wouldn’t call that bitchiness. That’s just garden variety sexiness. Women tempt and flaunt their bodies, that’s what they do when they have the goods.]

      Rosie O’Donnell/Margaret Cho are bitches…but it’s in that masculine way. They are loud, domineering, and aggressive in the way men are — not attractive at all.

      [Some hot chicks are bitches in that way too.]

      Difference?
      The Sirens from Greek Myth are more the type of ‘bitches’ men can’t resist.

      [It’s not bitchiness of any kind that men can’t resist; it’s sexiness and the signal that the sexy babe is willing to put out.]

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm Scray

        Ya, and those ‘hot’ chicks are less attractive for it.

        Well, if a girl uses her sexuality to extract things out of you (heh)….you don’t think she’s being a bitch, on some level?

        [CH: Not at all. Why would I disapprove of sexy ladies? Anyhow, your framing of her actions is misleading. She’s not “extracting” anything from me that I don’t want to be extracted. She’s displaying her body and signaling carnal thoughts because she subconsciously knows it’s a turn-on to men.]

        Webster seems to know what’s up:

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bitch

        2 a : a lewd or immoral woman
        b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse

        I think Emma is getting at 2(a), and Rosie/hot “bitches” are more getting at 2(b). 2(a) is hawt. 2(b) is nawt.

        [Lewd is a stretch as a definition of bitch as the word is commonly understood. A woman can be lewd and exceedingly friendly. Anyhow, I wouldn’t call hip shaking and lip licking lewd, especially not in particular contexts where that is less frowned upon.]

        Is a tease a type of bitch? I dunno. Questions, questions.

        [I reserve the title bitch for women who are obnoxious, scathing, nasty, feminist, excessively sarcastic, rude, emotionally manipulative, gossipy, subversive or some combo of all of these.]

        Sexiness, to me is when the woman walks a certain way, walks a certain way, but there’s no intent behind it. Maybe the counter to that is ‘there’s always an intent.’

        [Intent is 9/10s of the lure.]

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:38 pm Scray

        All I know is that there’s something hella wicked about Emma in that damned gif. Idc what anyone says.

        [CH: Emma’s hella wicked posturing would cross the line to bitchiness if she
        a. led you on all night long but never put out, and
        b. insulted you when you made a move on her, thinking you had the green light.

        Otherwise, it’s just a hot chick doing what hot chicks do.]

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 5:51 pm Scray

        So………then a tease is a type of bitch?
        Because a and b both seem like teases.

        And if either a or b happened to me……….I’d still be so goddamned into it. lol. So ya…in that situ, it’d make me more attracted. I can admit it.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:55 pm Stilicho

        Careful with the constant posting, my man….you don’t want to turn into the male version of Neecy.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 7:51 pm Scray

        I don’t understand the reference

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 7:55 pm immoralgables

        Scray,

        I think what Stillcho is saying is to not overplay a hand.

        I think you’re fine and I enjoy reading your comments and your progression is great so keep posting. It’s been a learning experience to watch.

        He’s referencing neecy, a poster back in the day who was a troll but her constant presence and urge to chime in on every topic and relate it to her self is what i think stilicho is referring to. One of those, familiarity breeds contempt kinds of things.

        Kind of how the rap game was inundated with Swizz Beatz songs back from 2002-2004. He took a minute off because he thought his audiences were getting tired of his sound. He came back a year or two later and has been doing pretty solid ever since.

        But no, don’t do that. Keep commenting man you are one of the few, the proud that actually add value on these boards.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 9:38 pm pimpinbluestar

        Agreed Immoral. neecy constantly tried to spin reality.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 3:27 pm Scray

        Ya, I mean I haven’t been going out cold approaching as much as I’d like. I’m going out tonight, tho. It’s never good whenever you get too deep into theorizing and shit, for sure.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 9:44 am Subway Masturbator

        That type of aggressiveness isn’t that sexy to me. She’s being too exaggerated, like a porn actress. She looks like a Strong, Independent woman who’d say “fuck me” like an order from a drill sergeant. Her bone structure, skin, looks great. She’s beautiful–on the outside.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm Scray

        Ha. I’m just weak against that kind of thing, I guess.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:52 am Matthew King

        The Bling Ring was superb.

        A gif is necessarily bereft of context. (Which makes the gif format a fascinating medium to study.) The goodness or evil of any particular act — including one where a beautiful girl is grinding and licking her lips at you — is determined in the context. Taken alone, there is no moral content to that snippet, any more than, say, a frame of her innocent face would be indicative of innocence … while below the camera frame she is cutting an infant’s neck on her lap.

        Evil is seductive, but not all seductiveness is evidence of evil.

        If you have any hope to navigate these waters truly, you have to become a sin scientist. Which is difficult, and the work of a lifetime. Which is why you will not find much counsel for it around here. But its rewards are immediate and literally infinite, I can testify.

        Matt

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 3:22 pm Scray

        All right. Maybe it’s just attractive when a woman wields power, but for a woman, her power comes from her sexuality. For a man, it comes from….alphaness or whatever.

        And maybe a lot of the women who choose to wield their power just happen to be “bitches,” which is what confuses the whole thing.

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  15. on July 17, 2013 at 5:07 pm Anonymous

    I married and had children with a cad – I am just on the brink of evolving from a woman of high anxiety over his philandering into one who just doesn’t care anymore and is ready to ignore it all.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 8:06 pm Glenbert

      This matters.

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  16. on July 17, 2013 at 5:09 pm Libertardian

    Diversity vs. women: diversity wins.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3854/uk-taxi-rapes

    ‘Taxi rapes are rarely reported; apparently because the politically incorrect crimes are not deemed to be newsworthy. BBC radio host Sam Mason, a single mother, was fired after she called a taxi company and requested a “non-Asian” driver to take her 14-year-old daughter to her grandparents’ home; preferably a female driver. The operator refused, and said, “We would class that as being racist.” Mason responded, “It’s not your 14-year-old girl.” A BBC spokesman said, “[Mason’s] comments were completely unacceptable…she will no longer be working for the BBC.”

    Great Britain is in the throes of a rape and pedophilia epidemic unlike anything the country has experienced in living memory.

    Many of the sex crimes are being perpetrated by Muslim child grooming gangs responsible for drugging, raping and torturing hundreds and possibly thousands of British girls.

    But another wave of sex crimes involves predatory Muslim taxi drivers who are raping female passengers. The number of so-called taxi rapes is snowballing to such an extent that a British judge has issued a warning that no woman can expect to be safe while traveling in a cab.’

    Feminazis had better join up with us evil white racist gun nuts.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 7:16 pm corvinus

      Problem is, you’re not allowed to be a gun nut on Airstrip One. That’s part of their problem right there. There are still way too many Piers Morgans over there.

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 11:49 pm Libertardian

        On the plus side, whorefinder just found his next job.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:43 am Greg Eliot

        Most, most droll.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:32 pm corvinus

        Only if he disguises himself as a Calormene first.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 8:17 pm wolfie65

      Not sure if they still do this (probably), but in the 70’s and 80’s, the immensely popular German Bild Zeitung – think of it as a cross between The National Enquirer and a real newspaper – loved to run stories about German and other northern European women and children being abducted into White slavery in Africa and Asia. At the rate they were claiming, Germany, Holland, Sweden, etc. ought to be devoid of women by now.
      What Europe has done to herself over the past 40-50 years or so is kind of ugly, but I’m not sure ‘epidemic’ is the word.
      Besides, there will be some sort of blowup/backlash at some point. There always is. May not happen in our lifetimes, but happen it will.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 1:00 am Libertardian

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2367152/Norwegian-woman-reported-raped-Dubai-jailed-16-months.html

      “A young Norwegian woman has been sentenced to 16 months in jail after she reported a rape in Dubai.

      The 25-year-old was in the United Arab Emirates on a business trip when she was raped and reported the assault to the local police.

      Dubai police did not believe her, and instead took her passport and jailed her on suspicion of having had sex outside marriage.

      …

      Earlier this year Australian Alicia Gali, 27, spoke of how she was thrown in a Dubai jail for eight months after she reported a rape.

      Miss Gali was working at hotel chain Starwood when her drink was spiked in the staff bar.

      She awoke to find that three colleagues had raped her, but when she went to a hospital for help, they turned her over to the police and she was charged with illicit sex outside marriage.

      Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime.”

      Pay attention libs. Demand the borders be closed, or prepare to bend over and enjoy the benefits of Sharia law.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:54 am Greg Eliot

        This is unpossible… didn’t we see what a paradise Dubai was for our fairer sex in one of those Sex In The City sequel movies?

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 6:57 am Canadian Friend

        Excellent point

        the average woman is ” educated” ( brainwashed ) about what the world is trough tv shows and Hollywood movies

        Millions of women watched Sex and the city, thus millions of women have formed their opinion of Dubai based on that

        if we try to tell them what the real Dubai is, a place where a female rape victim is throwned in jail ( and possibly raped there again ) they get angry and call us racists, right wing nuts or whatever

        Like a 4 year old kid getting angry at you for telling him Santa Claus does not exist, they want to stick to their beliefs

        Dubai is heaven on heart for women, Trayvon Martin was a sweet innocent angel, Diversity is our strenght etc etc

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 4:50 pm Libertardian

        Yep. There was some gal who went to Haiti, was raped, and was trying to dissuade her rapist by saying she was a Malcolm X scholar.

        A liberal education/mindset does not equip you to venture into a dangerous world.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm redcoatreactionary

      The evil White racists don’t do guns over here: the manly Brit loves fighting too much. And it’s the manly men that win the fights when there are no guns around.

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    • on July 20, 2013 at 8:21 pm Charlesz Martel

      I remember when this incident was reported on the Bill O’Reilly show. Bill couldn’t understand what all the fuss was about – he misunderstood the term Asian as used in the UK. He thought it was just some chink with a 3 inch dick; it is a codeword for Pakistani, who are among the filthiest, most sex obsessed white female raping race on the planet.

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  17. on July 17, 2013 at 5:11 pm Nigel

    GBFM. WTF? How u bring me into a thread when I didn’t even post yet til now? Cause my name Nigel. lol

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  18. on July 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm Nigel

    Anyways, this subject reminds me of a thread I was reading titled “What’s wrong with the Nice Guy?” Here’s a quote from one of the posters there

    “You are correct, you can be a nice and still get attraction in a girl.

    The stereotypical “nice guy” tries to get affection from the girl (Mental) as opposed to attraction (Emotional). He does things like buy the girl nice dinners, drive her around, give her compliments, etc. before she has done anything to earn those things.

    He is asexual.

    He does these things because he wants something from the girl (Sex or the validation of having a hot girlfriend).

    The “bad boy” triggers attraction in the girl but not affection. In other words, girls love bad boys but don’t like them. The bad boy can do this because he projects masculinity, and feminine girls are obviously drawn to masculine guys.

    He is sexual.

    The higher level is to project the masculinity of the bad boy (by being unreactive, dominant, leading, etc) while being a human being that has his shit together.”

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 7:32 pm Wrecked 'Em

      When women post a list of “what they want in a man” and it has 387 herbish things that they condone, note that these are things that they want from a man that they’re already attracted to.

      When men ask, “What do women want,” they’re asking how they can become the guy the woman’s attracted to. Women never answer that question.

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  19. on July 17, 2013 at 5:23 pm Mitch Cumstein

    I went over to my girl’s place last night. Her roommate’s bf drove four hours to get home, arriving at 4am. In his words, he wanted to “wake up next to her.” He also bought the girls groceries, some $60 worth. I shook my head. She said, “You know, he gives presents, too. Not that I’m giving any hints.” So I said, “You know, I did get you a present.” When I told her it was in my pocket, her eyes lighted up like a pinball machine and she reached for it. When she pulled her hand out, there were three condoms. In comparison to the roommate’s bf, I looked really really good. She called me a bastard, but hand of God: we used all three of them last night.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 5:27 pm Rick Derris

      +1

      You should’ve sung the lyrics from the old KISS song:

      “Put your hand in my pocket
      Grab onto my rocket”

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 5:48 pm Ternarydaemon

      +1 alpha move.

      Driving four hours to see a girl is beta. Bringing and paying her groceries screams beta (exception: she is your wife and is taking care of your progenie)

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 6:13 pm Mitch Cumstein

        And the poor bastard doesn’t know his precious angel made out with an older coworker just the other day. Respect, gentlemen- you’re not going to get it by buying your girl’s groceries. Or her friend’s.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 12:40 am Greg Eliot

        Once the progenie is out of the bottle, you can’t get ’em back in.

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 7:30 pm smoky

      I thought you were gonna pull skittles out of your pocket

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      • on July 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm Wrecked 'Em

        Skittles-flavored condoms. An idea who’s time has, uh, come.

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  20. on July 17, 2013 at 6:00 pm berry

    has it ever occurred to you that the reason girls rationalize the doings of “a terrorist bomber” is probably due to his good looks?

    [CH: Has it ever occurred to you that girls have been fantasizing about murderers and assorted brigands since the dawn of time, and that many of the killers they idolized weren’t good-looking at all? cf: Ramirez, son of sam, manson.

    You have one warning to cease and desist being a dumbfuck feminist. Any more comments from you that violate this order and cross the dumbfuck threshold will be summarily deleted and your presence exiled to the cunt dimension.]

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  21. on July 17, 2013 at 6:30 pm Nigel

    Damn Mitch, that shit was funny! I’m beta, but I would never buy a girl groceries unless it was wife a live-in gf. That beta guy you mentioned is getting taken for a ride and the sad part is doesn’t even know it…

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  22. on July 17, 2013 at 6:31 pm Nigel

    unless it was a wife OR a live in gf. (Meant to say)

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  23. on July 17, 2013 at 6:52 pm Gracian

    One of the funniest lines ever written on the topic: “…betas already come packaged with nuts sold separately.”

    That is ‘George Carlin’ level funny!!!

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    • on July 17, 2013 at 7:08 pm corvinus

      One of the funniest lines ever written on the topic: “…betas already come packaged with nuts sold separately.”

      That is ‘George Carlin’ level funny!!!

      I would have stated it thusly:
      “…betas already come packaged with nuts not included.”

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  24. on July 17, 2013 at 7:43 pm immoralgables

    Damn, I wonder how my comments are queued by the moderator.

    Sometimes, they go right through.

    Other times, they’re up in a half hour.

    Other times they’re up 12 hours or at worst, the next day later.

    Perhaps I put myself on the authors shit-list in the past. Or perhaps I’m so awesome that he doesn’t want to let the genie out the bottle all at once.

    Heartiste, have you ever thought of implementing a “reddit-style” system of capturing comments. That is, the top comments get upvoted to the top while the shitty ones get taken to the bottom of a thread and sometimes hidden. I’m not sure if WordPress does this and I’m not taking the cost and effort this would cost you into consideration.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 10:54 am Matthew King

      A revamp of the technical capacities of this site’s unparalleled forum is at least three years overdue.

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  25. on July 17, 2013 at 8:05 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    “But betas don’t inspire this womanly desire to geld, because betas already come packaged with nuts sold separately. Only cads and d-bags, nuts present and accounted for, send women swooning alternately between depths and heights of ecstatic submissive lust and egocentric lion taming”

    …I say again: can any breezy fiction compare to ^this??

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 12:38 am Greg Eliot

      Indeed, that was a nicely-turned set of phrases.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:06 am Matthew King

      …I say again: can any breezy fiction compare to ^this??

      Overwritten. With an editor CH could be a modern Chesterton.

      Metaphors are good. Extended metaphors are bad, and mixed-metaphors are deadly.

      It takes an overwriter to know an overwriter: I count myself chiefest among sinners in this regard. Austerity is difficult to achieve when ideas and words are tumbling out one’s mind faster than they can be composed.

      And “breezy fiction” is a sneak attack when the truths being expressed are scandalous. Precisely what this nihilist/ADD culture needs.

      Matt

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  26. on July 17, 2013 at 8:43 pm Fluffy

    Sorry but you are way off. Both sexes have those that tend toward abusive relationships and that has nothing to do with liking jerks or bitches, and everything to do with low sense of self worth and not feeling deserving of kindness and respect. We all know a man or two in our lives that has put up with an abusive partner.

    The scale is tipped more toward women putting up with abuse, because low self worth is more prevalent in women – case in point, this ridiculous blog that sees them as targets to bang. This crap is everywhere and women get the message loud and clear: we are worthless apart from our sex appeal.

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    • on July 19, 2013 at 6:32 am quasi

      …women get the message loud and clear: we are worthless apart from our sex appeal.

      Glad someone got the memo. If you would be so kind as to pass it on to your fat friends, that’d be great, thanks.

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  27. on July 17, 2013 at 9:31 pm walawala

    Women become bitches AFTER you seduce them is more appropriate.

    I offer this from Shark’s “The Black Flag” in the chapter on texting but which can be applied in game overall:

    “The harder you make it for her, the easier she will make it for you”. (page 113)

    I just broke up with my gf of 8 months because she insisted I was “too selfish” and “want to control everything”. She wanted to move in for 6 weeks and when I said no, she got mad and dumped me.

    The whole relationship was about “frame control”….with the girl being seemingly happy when we were together. Then saying we were too different and it would never work: classic fore-brain/hind brain conflict.

    Exact quote from our last text exchange:

    Her: I want to be treated like a baby

    Me: I’m your lover not your parent

    Radio silence.

    It’s a frame control battle.

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  28. on July 17, 2013 at 11:38 pm Rum

    My daughter nowadays presents a weirdly and un – canny resemblance to Sheryl Crowe ….in her absolute prime). Tall, blond, beautifuuly muusically resplendenet . Except that she never had any of S.C.s money worries.

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  29. on July 18, 2013 at 12:55 am Ben

    It makes me sick to see some of my friends, who we pretty timid in the first place get into PUA stuff and get in a relationship and now are totally whipped.

    One guy I know his gf goes out every friday night, I know because I see her at the club on fridays every time I go. And a few weeks ago he had a night off work and come out with us ONCE and she went crazy at him about it. And he seems to accept this.

    She was also out cuddling some guy last weekend, not just a quick hug either and it’s obvious shes always out looking for new guys. She started trying to be a bitch to me because I think it got back to her I said she was out looking for guys so she was trying to be a bitch and I just ignore her now.

    But I know i’ve done this a bit in the past, lost some of the things I was into when I was in relationships, but luckily I got past that and now I still do my own thing seperate from that.

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  30. on July 18, 2013 at 5:53 am AAB

    >Women love jerks *because* they’re jerks. If you need scientific evidence to corroborate everyone’s personal observation and age-old wisdom, the CH archives are filled with links to relevant studies.His stature was so lofty that he surpassed even the tallest, his complexion was ruddy, his hair flaxen, his shoulders were broad, his eyes all but emitted sparks of fire, and in frame he was well-built where nature required breadth, and was neatly and gracefully formed where less width was necessary. So from tip to toe this man was well-proportioned, as I have repeatedly heard many say<
    (http://www.humanistictexts.org/comnena.htm)

    And Blackbeard the pirate was married multiple times.

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  31. on July 18, 2013 at 7:59 am She is going to submit to someone; it is only a matter of whom. | Sunshine Mary

    […] Why would she do that?  The article tries to spin it as sexual assault, but it obviously wasn’t.  She made the choice to submit to this guy.  Why?  Yesterday, CH wrote: […]

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  32. on July 18, 2013 at 8:00 am en-sigma

    Not a regular commenter – but a regular reader. Just like everything else on the planet, I don’t agree 100% with your outlook, but I do appreciate reading through your reasoning and logic.

    Mostly.

    I rather think that women dig jerks because jerks cannot be lead and women intrinsically want to be lead. I also agree that having a strong leader in a family allows for better chances of success for a family – so I see her desire for the right decision.

    but I also see that desire for leadership being in direct opposition to her hypergamous nature and this dichotomy, combined with her inability to discern jerk from leader, is the undoing of the hoped-for virtue of a woman.

    But I digress from my point – today’s jerks are not leaders. Not in the family sense. And surely not in the sense that anyone would follow them into battle against invaders. They are jerks, yes, but they have very little desire for a family. As a matter of fact, they are more than happy to let another man raise whatever gets by the goalie, and to then let that spawn struggle with the nature of a jerk biological father vs the nurture of a beta surrogate father combined with the nurture of a woman prone to stupidity, lies, and the constant dichotomy that will be reflected in every mindless, non-accountable decision she makes.

    That level of indifference is not compatible with leadership of any kind and it is the female dichotomy of true leader vs some dumb-ass that refuses to follow, combined with an inescapable entitlement that created the carousel in the first place.

    Let them be happy with themselves – seek new companionship every night if it pleases you. The world sure has arranged itself for that kind of life. But no matter how many books, commenters, click-throughs, seminars, or podcats those PUAs do, it does not make them leaders.

    They have amazing insight, beyond what I could do by myself, and many of them are prolific and even gifted writers. And I read many of them daily and seek out more every day. And they can lead women to that special place in two hours where it would take mortal men weeks – give em credit where credit is due – but they are not the leaders women (ever so slightly) hope for. And strangely, for the most part, women don’t seem to mind

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    • on July 19, 2013 at 5:46 am Judah Ben Hur

      The destruction of our civilization is nearly complete.

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  33. on July 18, 2013 at 8:15 am Kristy Lara

    This is not your average dating book. Shark does not give youstupid pick-up lines to impress women. Let THEM impress you.It’s all about your ATTITUDE. Why do women like jerks?

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  34. on July 18, 2013 at 8:23 am RP

    “But women also possess a compulsion to domesticate men who fall within their long-term seductive purview. It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective that women would serve their fitness-enhancing interests by cutting the nutsack off their conquests, lest valuable testosterone-y goodness is diverted to the project of further pussy plunder and away from amassing resources for her growing family.”

    However, as soon as they do succeed, the tingles in their pussies are lost forever… only to be refound when another asshole of equal or superior jerkishness presents his dick on a mysteriously veiled platter of aloofness with his ballsy approach and reluctant coyness (to commit, of course, not fuck).

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  35. on July 18, 2013 at 9:50 am Maya

    ”Study shows there’s no such thing as “sex addiction”. popsci.com/science/articl… Another misandrist theory debunked. 10 minutes ago”

    Maybe there are two different things … One is having high libido and the other is addiction to porn, romance novels, masturbation, casual sex, fantasizing about sex etc. which definitely IS addiction for me. And the term ”sex addiction” is used for these disorders, not for having high libido … As far as I know …

    [CH: Tell me about the good things that come to your mind when you diddle the bean.]

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 10:12 am Maya

      So you believe that people can not be addicted to watching porn or fantasizing about sex or reading romance novels?

      [CH: I believe that the natural sex drive is powerful, and given the opportunity to indulge that drive with minimal consequence, most people will do so.]

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:21 am Anon

        All people have “sex addition.” That’s why our species is not extinct. It’s biology.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:30 am cryo

        Porn addiction is real. It enables men to drop out of the sexual marketplace. And for many, it is a welcome alternative to fucking their frumpy wives.

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  36. on July 18, 2013 at 9:51 am Suburban_elk

    Condom sex is very compromised. Not only in the diminishment of the tactile sensory experience, but wrapping the penis in a rubber sheath – talk about apt symbolism for a caged and kept man!

    If the risk of sexually transmitted diseases is the concern, the sex is not worth it. (I like to think that sexually transmitted diseases are less communicable to those with abundant immunity, in the same way that other bugs and viruses are less infectious to those with better health.)

    On the question of condoms as a means of preventing pregnancy … pregnancy is just the risk and price of it. Meaningful committed relationships – or at least pairing up between people willing to project into the future – is where sex belongs, where it will live and dwell and fulfill its purpose of forging into the future something creative. (I had not meant to get all up in the pulpit here but oh well.)

    *********************

    Most guys have experienced the situation of sex conditional with a condom – but i think the guy who will not be so contained – and obviously is willing to stand by his gun – more often than not the woman will remit. To put it in the obvious terms, it is the ultimate alpha move to refuse that limiting device.

    And again, to repeat, the symbolism of having to sheath the penis, is too perfect not to be significant. With a condom sex is actually no contact, which can hardly be considered sex.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:50 am John South

      Yes, I never used them and they do give in.

      Maybe it’s another shit test, pass it the same as the others.

      Change her mood not her mind.

      Most guys try the convincing route but it never works.

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  37. on July 18, 2013 at 10:06 am Charlesz Martel

    “American women castrate their men, and then sit around complaining that there are no real men left.”
    Quote by me, circa 1978.

    I had been living overseas for ten years plus at that time, and used to say this during social gatherings where modern topics, such as women’s lib., were being discussed. Very few people got it then. It was prescient.
    The world is not that complicated to those who choose to open their eyes and take a look around.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 10:14 am CH

      And why do women try to castrate their men? Answer: How else are women going to know their men are alpha enough to refuse their castration?

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 10:16 am Maya

        You sound smart. Are you the real CH or just his fan?

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm Glengarry

        It’s about time you read the story of O.

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 11:23 am Matthew King

        Women never had the strength to castrate men. But they had the seductive power to persuade them to do it themselves.

        And why did men allow themselves to be so persuaded?

        The ennui of success. The finality of the triumph of the west. The anomie that attends the end of history. Boredom.

        “The worst is over now / And we can breathe again … / There’s so much left to learn / And no one left to fight …” There’s occasional profundity in pop.

        Matt

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      • on July 18, 2013 at 1:21 pm cynthia

        Maybe not on a societal level, but an individual woman can most certainly destroy an individual man. You should see what my grandma did to my grandpa, and by extension, to my uncles and male cousins.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 10:18 am Anon

      Holmes was right. Three generations of imbeciles was, indeed, enough.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:10 am Matthew King

      “American women castrate their men, and then sit around complaining that there are no real men left.” Quote by me, circa 1978.

      “We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” Quote by C.S. Lewis, circa 1943.

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  38. on July 18, 2013 at 3:20 pm English Dude

    May have been posted already but: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-23327218

    Unemployed 28 year old alcoholic tosspot. 17 year old girl falls for him and has his baby. He gets uber jealous and paranoid and burns their house down, killing his baby daughter, his partner, and her mother.

    When will they ever learn? I bet “but he can be really nice” too…

    What kind of world are we (do we) have when shitloads of guys look to these pricks and serial killers and see girls actually falling for them. Women’s lack of judgement never fails to astound me.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 7:54 pm corvinus

      Judging from the photo, the 17 year old can’t be more than a 3. I’m not convinced the alcoholic tosspot is a genuine alpha. But that 3’s alpha? Certainly.

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  39. on July 18, 2013 at 5:25 pm corvinus

    Minor field report. Here’s a good example of the flip side of a shit test, where a man inadvertently (so to speak) excites a woman without her hitting him with a shit test first.

    Hung out with a group of guys I’m semi-buddies with and their female entourage. One of the girls, who’s intrinsically a 7 but (unusually) is rather cultured and tends to dress sharp enough to kick her up to an 8 or so, seems to have been giving me the eye for the past month or so; I’ve talked to her briefly a few times, but it was one of those cases where, while she is definitely interested, I hadn’t yet excited her in an alpha manner.

    I joined them at their table just before I had to go for the night. Earlier, it was packed, but people were breaking off and leaving. On the table was a pile of Jenga blocks, the leftovers of an earlier finished game. These blocks belong to the bar, and for whatever reason, are filled with random writings in pen from all sorts of people, mostly dopey girly sayings and drawings. The girl was sitting across from me with her girlfriends, chattering about nothing, as girls tend to do, with a couple of my peripheral buddies (as in, not close buddies but buddies nonetheless) to my left.

    I absent-mindedly joined them in tossing the blocks into the bucket they’re kept in, but then one of the blocks happened to catch my attention. I read it, suddenly smirked, said, “Ooh, look what I got,” in a mischievous voice, and handed it to the girl. She read it out loud: ” ‘Slap the… bee-otch sitting across from you’… What! Don’t you dare…” in a surprised, irritated, but strangely aroused-sounding voice, then trailed off into hamstering the matter over with her girlfriends. I talked to one of my buddies for about a minute, finished my drink, said goodbye to the other fellows, and left.

    On the way home, I couldn’t help laughing like an idiot. The street was quiet, so hopefully not too many people heard me.

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  40. on July 18, 2013 at 5:46 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

    Current Landing-page of Human Rights Watch website, shows some leftoid-chicks meeting with Edward Snowden. The new Julian Assange. Showden has pre-qualification from his former hottie girlfriend, and is now famous. Gets those leftoid vaginas tingling!! But…. will the russkies give Snowden a room where he can fuck his leftoid groupies?

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  41. on July 18, 2013 at 6:13 pm chicks dig jerks | hbd* chick

    […] all the other kids are doin’ it, here’s my contribution to feed the growing, and soon to be unstoppable, […]

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  42. on July 18, 2013 at 8:49 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    so….jerks: women = hotties: men.
    (thousand yard stare)

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  43. on July 18, 2013 at 9:07 pm anonymous

    Thought readers/CH might enjoy this case study in jerks getting pussy.

    http://bu.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/1ijoe5/update2my_girlfriendsf27_bossm34_has_made_some/

    Guy trying to get a PhD dates an executive assistant who happens to work under an Alpha Boss. In one party, not only does the guy manage to make several beta moves, but Boss AMOGs him completely.

    Guy
    -Shows up late underdressed.
    -Doesn’t have social chops to engage in meaningful conversation with anybody.

    Boss
    -Allows GF to let guy borrow some clothes, comments that they might be too big in the shoulders for him.
    -In follow-up email, not only does he call the GF a wench, but then goes on to call the guy a little kid.

    Following up, the GF then goes over to the Boss to tend him while he’s sick, and rubs his head and tucks the boss in all in front of the BF, all at 2AM in the morning.

    Girl breaks up with guy, then sends him an email saying he was right and her and the boss were eye-fucking each other all along.

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    • on July 18, 2013 at 11:21 pm corvinus

      Given how hot chicks almost always have a boyfriend, if you’re an alpha, you’ll wind up doing this at least once in your life. Probably multiple times.

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  44. on July 19, 2013 at 7:48 am supra

    Students, fellow students – CH already cracked this chicks dig jerks thing wide open with the following commentary in early July (“Be a No Man”) which went as follows – and with emphasis on the last sentence:

    The right balance is struck between alternately pulling toward and pushing away. As all great seducers know, and as science is now coming around to confirming, the ideal male lover is the man who understands the value of emotionally desyncing with women. He doesn’t distance himself from a woman; rather, he cleverly directs her arousal by undermining feelings of closeness just at the moment she starts to relax and senses that she can predict his desire and behavior, and then drawing her back in when she fears his loss of interest. By alternately undermining and reengaging like this, he subverts the Male Chaser-Female Chasee expectation, and thus flips the normal sex status differential that is the standard operating procedure of an unobstructed and undirected mating market so that, by his manipulations, he is perceived as the more valuable commodity.

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  45. on July 19, 2013 at 8:27 am Matthew King

    Come on @DouthatNYT [re; “Love in the time of…”], how about a little credit here?

    Ultimate credit goes to Gabriel García Márquez and Love in the Time of Cholera.

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  46. on July 22, 2013 at 11:45 am Chad G. Rivera

    This is a print by the great Roy Lichtenstein that proves his insight both into a comic art vocabulary that helped to create the movement known as “pop art” and chicks who love jerks.

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