The people demanded less opaque post titles, and the proprietors listened. Nestled in the abstract of a seemingly unrelated study about the genetics of sexual antagonism is a finding that men’s looks don’t contribute much to their overall attractiveness.
Genetic Factors That Increase Male Facial Masculinity Decrease Facial Attractiveness of Female Relatives
For women, choosing a facially masculine man as a mate is thought to confer genetic benefits to offspring. Crucial assumptions of this hypothesis have not been adequately tested. It has been assumed that variation in facial masculinity is due to genetic variation and that genetic factors that increase male facial masculinity do not increase facial masculinity in female relatives. We objectively quantified the facial masculinity in photos of identical (n = 411) and nonidentical (n = 782) twins and their siblings (n = 106). Using biometrical modeling, we found that much of the variation in male and female facial masculinity is genetic. However, we also found that masculinity of male faces is unrelated to their attractiveness and that facially masculine men tend to have facially masculine, less-attractive sisters. These findings challenge the idea that facially masculine men provide net genetic benefits to offspring and call into question this popular theoretical framework.
This is a surprise even to the viscounts of CH, who have stated many times that manly male looks play some role in attracting women, even if that role is diminished relative to the role that female looks plays in attracting men. This study, one that apparently contradicts the prevailing scientific wisdom, found that masculine male looks did not influence the attractiveness of those men.
The reasoning sounds solid; women who are attracted to masculine-looking men run the risk of having ugly, manjawed daughters by them, (cf. Amanjaw Marcuntte). Since women can’t legally pick and choose (yet) the sex of their babies, evolutionarily speaking it would be a huge risk to mate with a man of masculine appearance and bear masculine daughters who would be less reproductively fit than more feminine women, instead of bearing masculine sons who, putatively, would be more reproductively fit than less masculine men. Such a strategy, then, is a theoretical wash in genetic continuance terms.
CH is not prepared to call this study the final word on the subject of male looks and its apportioned influence in male mating success, but it is further confirmation of the CH principle that conventional male facial attractiveness is not nearly as crucial a variable in the romantic success of men as female facial attractiveness is to the romantic success of women. Women are, at a very primal level, attracted to a much larger (although still circumscribed) panoply of physical and character traits in the opposite sex than the relative paucity of female traits that exert a libidinous pull on men.
What this study helps explain is the odd phenomenon of soft, hipster cream puffs like Pajamaboy managing the task of getting girlfriends. (Not necessarily Pajamaboy specifically, but those chinless freaks like him who know how to twirl with pizazz.) A chipmunk-cheeked herbling with game and a cocky attitude can get laid, and this fact doubtless stokes the ire of chivalrous, white knighting manly men who swing axes instead of cocoa mugs.
The manly men can find romantic success, too… even better than the pajamaboys… but it helps their cause if they incorporate the precepts of game into their dealings with women. What is coming into focus is that women’s criteria for lovers is more context- and personality-dependent than men’s criteria, and the seed of that pasty herbling with the flair for flirting can produce some knockout daughters, if the chromosomal stars align.

This is probably why masculine men go for very feminine women. It’s nature’s way of hedging its bets.
LikeLike
That’s my peer-unreviewed theory as well. Although it’d be more accurately phrased as “this is why all men go for very feminine women, but masculine men succeed more often at the task.”
LikeLike
Case in point: Hulk Hogan’s daughter, Brook Hogan.
LikeLike
Exactly.
LikeLike
Lol. Yep. A beast.
LikeLike
It was my immediate impression, as well – that we are dealing with a very intricate “Yin and Yang” interplay between the masculine and the feminine, and that Nature doesn’t want us venturing too far towards either extreme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_Yang
God only knows what this means for China and India, where they are using amniocentesis and ultrasound and abortion to very badly distort the ratio of boys to girls in those societies.
Also, having spent much of the past few years thinking about HBD Theory [and precious little else], I now feel the same way about the interplay between the culture and the genes – that the culture exerts a profoundly Lamarckian influence on the genes, and that, in turn, the genes exert a profoundly Darwinian influence on the culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin
LikeLike
“Also, having spent much of the past few years thinking about HBD Theory [and precious little else], ”
It shows, Zombie Brain. All masturbating and no play makes Zombie a tedious bot.
LikeLike
Lamarckian theory of evolution has been disproven
LikeLike
Where does the ‘pretty boy’ fit in?
My observation is:
Guy with masculine face with symmetry = man jawed hot woman.
Guy with feminine face with symmetry = soft feminine cutie
Without symmetry I think the looks really become more of non factor.
I have only been ever able to achieve attraction and success from feminine looking woman and I have fair features with huge eyes and blond hair.
If a woman is more masculine in features and body (hot or ugly) I feel that simply on looks alone that she really doesn’t respect me. It’s like physical hypergamy in action, she has to have much more masculine traits in her man than herself. I realize this is probably a case of the masculine guy having more options in man jawed hottie and the petite foxy lady while the feminine faced guy only has the option for the feminine girl. Much in the same way that the 6’1 guy has the edge of being attractive to the tall and short girl while the 5’6 manlet is more or less regulated to the short chicks without the making up for it with game/money/status of course.
Also for your hedging the bets about ugly females because of masculine father look no further than our own patron saint of the alpha male smirk Bruce Willis’ kid Rumer Willis, I want to remind everybody that her mom was one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood at one point:
LikeLike
“However, we also found that masculinity of male faces is unrelated to their attractiveness and that facially masculine men tend to have facially masculine, less-attractive sisters. These findings challenge the idea that facially masculine men provide net genetic benefits to offspring and call into question this popular theoretical framework.”
You posted another study that indicates the benefit of facially masculine men-
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/study-dominance-not-looks-predicts-mens-mating-success/
“Results indicate that dominance and the traits associated with it predict men’s mating success, but attractiveness and the traits associated with it do not.”
Masculinity is beneficial to sons at least purely in terms of sexual attractiveness in addition to the survival benefit it confers because it is somehow related to being able to win fights or at least intimidate others into believing they could win fights.
“This is a surprise even to the viscounts of CH, who have stated many times that manly male looks play some role in attracting women, even if that role is diminished relative to the role that female looks plays in attracting men.”
Clearly good looking men are desirable to women on some level. I guess masculinity is attractive on one dimension and being good looking is attractive to women on a completely unrelated dimension. But both can be simultaneously attractive.
LikeLike
Why feminine women are more desirable than masculine men.
LikeLike
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/the-fundamental-premise/
If the fundamental premise is true, and women control sexual access, then they do the choosing/control sexual access…so, what benefit do the characteristics of “masculine” physical features for the man provide? do they help establish social dominance within the group? do they indicate a sexy sons result v. the risk of an “ugly” daughter?
and is this true for both r/K selected groups?
There seems to be nugget of wisdom in there, but I can’t seem to pan it out…
LikeLike
And don’t pretty women have more daughters ?
LikeLike
“This is probably why masculine men go for very feminine women. It’s nature’s way of hedging its bets.”
That’s pretty much the beginning and end of the discussion in one sentence.
My father – Marine Corps, warrior, masculine, square jawed, old school traditional male, etc.
My mother – Extremely feminine, model in the 1960’s, head turner, etc.
Me – masculine, square jawed, old school traditional male
Sister – extremely feminine, head turner.
While it may be science, it ain’t rocket science.
Pajamaboy can get all of the dykish, square-jawed wethole he wants in a situation where other pajamaboys are too busy sipping cocoa to care to compete, but end of the day all guys like me have to do is breath even a hint of traditional masculinity and all of his game goes down in flames. Yes, he can use game to get chicks, no doubt, clearly, absolutely agree. And clearly he can get chicks away from guys with square jaws but beta personalities, clearly, no question. But add even a sniff of aloof mastery and high T command of a room and people to a traditional male and pajamaboy may as well go home and put his buttplug back in.
Women want the alpha. In my experience, if two alphas are presented (so to speak) with equal qualifications except physical, and one is pajamaboy and one is lumberjack man, more often than not, all other things considered, she’ll go with lumberjack man, especially if she has more feminine traits than the average square jawed bulldyke-emulator. Look ain’t everything, but they do tend to play a role when everything else is a toss up.
LikeLike
There is a more fundamental principle at work here than passing along masculine/feminine traits. Summed up by a modification of Keats:
Beauty is youth, youth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
Now add to that eternal verity another truth. Masculinity is refined by age, femininity destroyed.
A hint of the incipient manjaw on a girl is far more tolerable than it will be two decades later, when she has really grown into her mandible. There is a reason for this. Women have a fifteen-to-twenty-year window to attract and procreate, and nature blesses her by softening what manly traits she will later exhibit in her advanced maturity.
Even borderline ugly and chubby young girls can be attractive in their bloom, despite their destiny to become hideous years hence — when it won’t matter anyway.
So the masculine traits that masculine men pass on are nigh irrelevant during the only era that matters for a woman, her fertile years. Youth softens the sharp edges that only become fully manifested after she has birthed her brood.
In a sane culture, that is.
One of the great, instinct-denying, sense-ignoring myths of our age that keeps us from overcoming our culture’s addiction to sexual surreality is the disconnection of youth, beauty, and fertility. Mileage varies and NAWALT and all that, but in general, a sexually mature 16-year-old is just going to be physically more stunning than her 25-year-old version, or even her 20-year-old version. We are so petrified of acknowledging this truth that it has warped the zeitgeist down to the core.
What does that mean for the protection of late bloomers and slow developing children? How does a grown-up culture deal with the wide variance in maturing rates?
We’ll never know because we’re scared like little girls, too petrified and paranoid to face up to one of the more obvious truths we encounter every day. That youth is directly correlative with beauty.
Don’t even go there! For all the mythbusting of the realtalkers, it remains the most taboo Reality Which Must Not Be Named. And because of this universal denial contrary to truth, natural instinct gets channeled into dark places where it putrefies into perversion.
Matt
LikeLike
> “in general, a sexually mature 16-year-old is just going to be physically more stunning than her 25-year-old version, or even her 20-year-old version. We are so petrified of acknowledging this truth that it has warped the zeitgeist down to the core.”
A while back, Derbyshire and Andrew “Bareback” Sullivan got into a huge broo-ha-ha over that question, with Bareback accusing The Derb of being a pervert.
My personal theory is that The Derb must have been noticing some of the unmistakably blossoming womanhood amongst all the teenaged girls dressed in leotards at his daughter’s ballet studio.
There’s something about seeing a 15/16/17-year-old ballerina, lounging around lazily in a leotard, which just screams “JAILBAIT!!!” like no other sight known to mankind.
LikeLike
New Jersey neo-Nazi alleges discrimination after ninth child taken away: “The Nazi-obsessed father of nine has had children with five women but currently has custody of none of them. In addition to Adolf Hitler Campbell, he is the father of girls JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honzlynn Jeannie Campbell and son Heinrich Hons Campbell.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/02/new-jersey-neo-nazi-alleges-discrimination-after-ninth-child-taken-away/
LikeLike
Zombie Shane must be so proud 😉 How dumb is the name Honzlynn by the way…
LikeLike
BOO YAH!!!
LikeLike
He had nine children with five women. That’s still only 1.8 children per woman.
LikeLike
lol
LikeLike
I hate New Jersey Nazis.
LikeLike
+1 Blues Brothers
LikeLike
+2
No movie quite like it, before or since.
LikeLike
Let’s not go crazy now…
LikeLike
It figures that you little Jesuit faggots would get all wet between the legs at the thought of that movie:
LikeLike
Jeez Louise… who pissed on your Hebrew National Frankfurters?
LikeLike
I was gonna say, “Mother Teresa”, but I actually have some respect for her.
She had a hard, hard, hard life.
Very, very bleak.
LikeLike
And you say I was the one molested by a religious figure? You sure love to grind your pelvis into this hobbyhorse.
What was the name of the Rabbi who did this to you, Moishe? You know, the one who led you to the life of self-hatred. It occurs more often in your kind, and we have taken quite famous and effective steps to eradicate the Jesuit faggotry that infiltrated the seminaries in the 1970s.
But you were left alone to fend off the pederasts in your faith. It’s not your fault. We understand why you see your molester everywhere.
LikeLike
I didn’t say it was uniquely good, just that it is unique. What other film has anything like the epic mall scene or squad-car pile-up?
LikeLike
Okay, I do admit that early peek at the new Oldmobile line was worth the price of admission.
And to this day, whenever one of my sons returns home, I give him the old “Did’ja bring me mah Cheese Whiz, boy?”
And then there’s that :”Wrong glass, sir” routine that never gets old at the dinner table.
LikeLike
A website I’m not banned from commenting on. ^
LikeLike
now banned* lol
LikeLike
(6:53 pm) – (6:30 pm) = 23 minutes.
Well, that didn’t take very long.
LikeLike
I meant to say “now banned” in the first place.
LikeLike
This guy goes to custody hearings in full uniform in NJ. How many of these judges have been J-wish? Not too smart tactically. BTW, its Hans, not Honz. He’s a bit cuckoo.
LikeLike
I’ve wondered this about height too. gigantic big boned men that women swoon over produce ogreish daughters
LikeLike
I see it every time I watch sports on TV…big hulking masculine athlete has either an ogre sister or an ogre daughter.
LikeLike
I give you The Mangolds. Nick and Holley, NFL center and Olympic Weightlifter, respectively.
LikeLike
Hooo-weee!
I didn’t know Honey Boo-Boo’s mom was that strong!
LikeLike
That is because they are famous. Too many muscles is a turnoff.
LikeLike
True. Many women, including my sister, say that bodybuilders are gross. The reason why football players do better with women than bodybuilders is because football players actually do something with their bulk, even if it doesn’t involve much IQ aside from the q-back perhaps.
LikeLike
The guys who are considered the best looking are generally only masculine to a normal degree, very symmetrical, and without any weird features.
For height, I think it’s a myth that women love freakishly tall guys. They just want someone a few inches taller than themselves.
LikeLike
Based on my observations, virtually all women want men who are AT LEAST 3-4″ taller than they are(+ heels, + hair, + whatever headdress), 6’2 being the desired minimum, height of woman irrelevant.
Guys who are 5’9 (average) – 6’1 are borderline and final acceptance will depend upon a host of factors, most of them having to do with LOOKS, age, money and/or status.
Guys who are shorter than 5’9 who aren’t rich and/or famous in some way…..well, there’s always monasteries or the nearest freeway overpass.
LikeLike
That would explain why most guys I know around my height (5’8″) including a bit shorter do fine with women. Sometimes I feel like I’m on a different planet.
LikeLike
I’m 5’4″ and if I have a “type” it’s muscular men in the 5’8″-5’10” range. I agree that height range seems to do fine. Basically we just want the guy to be big relative to us. I want to feel smaller.
LikeLike
wtf are you talking about…
LikeLike
What? Are you factoring in game into this? There’s no denying that all else equal women will go for the taller guy, but saying anyone under 5’9 utterly fails with women is the funniest thing I’ve heard all year. Seems like either you’re short and insecure about it or tall and have a superiority complex.
LikeLike
Short just equals less masculine. Ultimately, if you want to be successful and you are shorter, I’d recommend game (obviously) and getting to the gym. Once you get the V-taper, larger muscles, and low bodyfat, you’ll be given a chance.
Why?
Because a girl will probably think ‘oh this guy’s buff which is sexy, but he’s short which means he’ll probably commit too…’ So she gives you a chance based on that — it’s a good deal for her, she thinks. It really doesn’t matter why she gives you a chance or shoots you the AI. All that matters is that she gives you the chance and that you get your foot in the door. Once you get the green light, you can shatter all expectations later.
Also, hygiene. Be on top of that shit. If you can do it, rock the five o’clock shadow look (keep it tight tho — massive attraction increaser). Wear clothes that show off the shape of your body, but avoid tryhard tiny shirts.
I’m not discounting game, to be clear. I’m just saying that your looks and your game work together. Your looks just need to create at least a tiny spark (a male model just creates a roaring fire by looking at a chick lol), that your game blows into a fire over time.
LikeLike
You know what’s easier than learning game and going to the gym? Going to places where the average height is relatively lower so that you seem relatively taller. I have a friend who is 5’5″ so instead of telling him about game or talking him into lifting weights, I told him to find a Hispanic neighbourhood and pick up women there.
LikeLike
ummm….if you think your boy can just go compete with a bunch of cholos without alpha’ing up a little bit, you may be mistaken.
LikeLike
Scray, he’s a White man, a US citizen with a job that pays 80K a year. Just those things alone will get the short, Hispanic women going after him.
LikeLike
My experience agrees with Godslayer’s confusion and amusement.
LikeLike
Yet it’s common to see guys under 5’9″ with attractive girlfriends, even girlfriends who aren’t particularly short themselves. At least it is here.
LikeLike
Being an ogre isn’t for everyone, but it has always worked for me. Now get out of my cave.
LikeLike
Not if they marry a round faced, angelic type chick, no, not so much.
LikeLike
There’s a word for very tall women: “Models.”
LikeLike
Man, I can hear y’all’s knees jerking from here!
I’m 5’10, have no ‘complex’ either way, don’t do cyber-one-upmanship, don’t write bloggy Penthouse letters, don’t ‘troll’, I just calls ’em as I sees ’em.
My athleticism or social skills aren’t lacking, either.
When I see 5’8 or shorter guys with girls, the girls are either 4’s or they’re just friends.
So either I’ve lived the past several decades in a series of several dozen bubbles (on 3 different continents) where only tall guys rule or you guys are living in fantasy land.
LikeLike
I’m good friends with a few short-ish guys (5’6″-5’8″) and they all do perfectly fine. I’m from the UK – maybe that’s something to do with it though you have traveled so who knows. They’re also decent looking and social which obviously doesn’t hurt. Maybe if a guy’s very short it’s a hindrance but I’m only really going by my own social circle.
LikeLike
Many things are more extreme in America than in Europe, the dating market being one of them. The divide between tall/short (or jock/nerd, fat/fit, etc.) is much harsher and more pronounced.
Another VERY important aspect is that European women tend not to suffer from anywhere near the same level of Princess Syndrome, at least not in the Europe I remember.
LikeLike
When I see 5’8 or shorter guys with girls, the girls are either 4′s or they’re just friends.
Dude. No, dude. No. Just no. I’m /only/ five six and for all the reasons I fail at connecting with a woman, even I can tell that it’s not my height stopping me. And I mean here in North America, the greater DC area.
LikeLike
ATTN Jesuit dudes at the Chateau: Be of some use here [at least those of you who majored in classics].
I’ve got the following:
Selachimorpha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selachimorpha
caenum
http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=caenum
caenosus
http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=caenosus
So I’m thinking that in polite company, we can drop the term “Selachimorpha caenosus”, kinda like how folks-in-the-know can mutter “Molon labe” under their breath without the entire cocktail party erupting in a riot?
I’m just wondering whether there needs to be some sort of a genitive/nominative/dative/accustative/possessive/whatever-itive/declensional thingamabob to slightly alter the spelling of “Selachimorpha caenosus” so as to make it completely proper?
Thanks in advance!
LikeLike
BACKGROUND: I was at the park the other day, and there was this kneegrow carrying a mulatto child, and tagging along behind about four or five feet behind it, was this white chick walking with a little white girl.
The mulatto child looked to be maybe three years old [born, say, in 2010?], whereas the white child looked to be maybe five years old [born, say, in 2008?].
And so I figured that about 5 years, some white dude was on top of the world when his wife gave birth to their daughter, but then The Frankfurt School shoved the Obama phenomenon down everyones’ throats, and his wife went and got herself a really bad case of the jungle fever, and she cuckolded her poor husband via a frigging baboon, and in the span of about two short years, white dude went from floating on Cloud 9 to burning in the 9th Circle of Hell.
Bitches like that should be shot.
Or, at a bare minimum, after The Troubles finally arrive, and we take off the gloves once and for all, those bitches simply must be deported, along with Mandingo’s sorry ass, back to The Dark Continent, to live out the remainder of their lives in peaceful loving harmony with the Tutsis and the Hutus.
LikeLike
Zombie Shane
Bitches like that should be shot
—————————————————————————————————
ZS, why don’t you just decide that any white women who date nogs are no longer white?
What ever comes after octoroon; why don’t you just consider them that?
Also, do you have a problem with white male homosexuals who date interracially?
and,
Do you have a problem with white women in their 50s (who can’t have children) dating interracially?
What if your dad died and your mom remarried an old black millionaire. When the black guy dies, your mom inherits his millions and can pass it along to your children.
Would you be against that?
Also, if a white woman who produces 5 healthy white children, shouldn’t she be allowed to have some BBC for dessert?
Didn’t she earn it?
LikeLike
She would be attached to the white cock that gave her 5 healthy children, or to the children.
Women can be domesticated at least for a few years, if they are busy being mothers to young children, and unlikely to go looking for new dick in ‘hood.
LikeLike
Any white man who respects himself disowns his daughter when she so much as holds hands with a monkeyshine. Same goes for mother, soon-to-be ex-wife, friend, whatever. If whites were consistent about this, miscegenation would be virtually eliminated.
LikeLike
y do u want to deport me shane. nuuuuuu
LikeLike
Scray
y do u want to deport me shane. nuuuuuu
——————————————————————–
would you rather be hung like a ni66er?
LikeLike
lol bishes ain’t gonna hang me.
LikeLike
Thats not what I asked you.
LikeLike
u killin the mood, bray
LikeLike
Thats my job.
Its also your job: I thought you were man enough to handle it, I guess I was wrong. You wanna do some damage?
Then don’t pink knight on me.
As Eliot would say, “another jest fallen flat”
(((shakin my head)))
LikeLike
The unfortunate likelihood is that there may be “lines drawn” in the future, that are based on the color of your skin; which means a lot of confusion over “neither fish nor fowl” halflings.
LikeLike
Half-breeds will identify with their dark meat because it provides so many bennies in college admissions, getting a job (assuming their white half wants to work, because we know the black half doesn’t), etc. Hell, I encourage all whites to mark the “African-American” box on any gubmint form because all people can rationally claim African origins. Plus, it’ll throw off gubmint attempts to force monkeyshines into our neighborhoods because we’ll appear to meet Uncle Samantha’s goals for duhversity.
LikeLike
If you look like Carrot Top’s brother you may have a bit of a problem passing that off. The -far- better solution and you will get just as much mileage out of it— Hispanic. There are hispanics who are as white as carrot top so European males, reclaim your Latino roots and check that box.
LikeLike
You may get as much mileage out of it in Federal employment (you’re in DC after all, Jay) where they’re looking for number of protected-class minorities, period. But in college admissions it’s not as effective. Average SAT scores for any given benchmark (admission to Harvard, admission to State U, whatever) are in the order asian, white, hispanic, black. With the largest gap being between hispanic and black.
For admission to Harvard asian and white could be in either order but with a tiny difference. The difference between say 780 and 782 (out of 800) isn’t much, you’ve got basically perfect scores and then you have to be outrageously good in some other ways too. But the standards are less ridiculous for hispanics, and for blacks they look (to most other people) to be positively easy.
LikeLike
I agree that the “inkwells” (a russian derogatory term for women who sleep with black and middle eastern men) should be deported together with their children.
Its’revolting how many white women are seen nowadays with mulatto children on the streets of Europe.
LikeLike
Caramba
I agree that the “inkwells” (a russian derogatory term for women who sleep with black and middle eastern men) should be deported together with their children.
————————————————————————————————-
What is the mechanism that produces inkwells in the first place?
LikeLike
“Its’ revolting how many white women are seen nowadays with mulatto children on the streets of Europe.”
Isn’t it? It’s totally gross. And it’s so hard for a white woman to love that little monkey she birthed because it looks nothing like her — it’s like an alien emerged from her body and now she has to care for someone else’s abortion. The answer is shunning — shun any white woman who ruts with a monkeyshine. That would fix the problem lickety-split.
LikeLike
lol problem is that they won’t give a shit that dudes like you — already invisible to them — shunned them.
LikeLike
The term inkwells deserves to go international. Love it.
Caramba is a huge asset to the community, not least because he brings a reality-based antithesis to the Rooshy Rus worshiping that would otherwise border on cultish idealization.
LikeLike
Finally my poor English grammar gets some recognition.
Gracias.
LikeLike
…kinda like how folks-in-the-know can mutter “Molon labe” under their breath without the entire cocktail party erupting in a riot?
Why, at Schloss Eliot, we don’t consider it a successful soiree unless it takes at least two squad cars to break it up.
LikeLike
Don’t they make you fucking Jesuits learn Latin anymore?
God damn it, man, I need some help with the grammar here.
LikeLike
Years of drinking have taken their toll. Ad maiora nati sumus…
LikeLike
I missed the bus, they missed the bus…
LikeLike
Dude, I’m as white-bred Protestant as you’ll ever find… but I admire discipline and intellect in all faiths and creeds. 😉
LikeLike
He’s a hopped-up ignoramus. Admirable energy but fatal flaws that pour all of that power into a tailspin.
He can tell you Shkotzim from Shlemazel and Sephardic from Azhkenazic, but confuses Greek with Latin and imagines a billion members of the church universal are “Jesuitical.” He throws around terms with all the precision of a junior-college nígger academic who got tenure through a quota.
Know your enemy? He can’t even get that first rule right. Which is why I suspect either self-hatred or an advanced cogdis plant.
I want to believe the advertisement, and I want to fight shoulder to shoulder against our common enemy, but his biggest Jéw tell is that irresistible tendency to drive wedges between good men everywhere he speaks.
LikeLike
I haven’t observed any of this generally. Yeah he did say Latin instead of Greek above. So what?
LikeLike
It means he is broadly ignorant and yet very precise when it comes to yiddler terminology. But that’s only incidentally suspicious.
The chief Jéw tell is his instinct to divide Christians against each other. If he had a supportable point, rather than spasmodic invective, I’d listen to his critique of the church universal. But he’s just another programmed regurgitator of simple, unreconstructed Know Nothingism, unfamiliar with the sabotage he brings to good men engaged in the war against nihilism.
In my charitable moments I assume he is just ignorant in the way I describe. But his Hasbara-like consistency — especially as it tends to arrive out of left field — makes the jéwdar beep.
If he had his priorities straight, as most white men do, he would not snark indiscriminately but rather focus on the common enemy with the understanding that less fatal differences can be worked out after the proximate, worldwide threat is vanquished.
But he has a seeming inability to pick his targets wisely, not merely that he chooses battles foolishly and contrary to the unifying cause here. This is an indication that his tendency to make more enemies than allies derives from a subrational source, something deeper than simple disagreement, something cultural, or even ethnic or racial. White Christians as a rule exhibit more self-awareness and self-control.
LikeLike
For the record, molon labe is Greek.
Be it Latin or Greek you’re hankerin’ after, I have some textbooks you can borrow.
Come and get them.
LikeLike
This might help: Binomial Nomenclature (Derivation of)
LikeLike
Hmm..interesting..since reading your stuff I have been thinking of what is more attractive in a man.You know those men who have those really angry tough masculine faces.. they can be quite off putting. I can objectively say “Yes that man is handsome” about a man.. but I prefer a softness somewhere in the face. Some kind of charisma, and softness in the face is lovely.. but a strong manly personality with a hint of vulnerability is amazing.
This is going to seem incredibly vain – but I am drawn to a face somewhat similar to my own/ my fathers initially.(Assortative mating?) My father does not have a masculine face, and his daughters have his face shape! (no sons)
[CH: not strange. it’s reasonable to assume a mate matching mechanism based on similarity to a parent’s looks that boosts the survival of a maximum number of one’s genes. or: ethnocentrism matters.]
But drawn to or not.. it really does come down to character..it’s fascinating how at first a man can not seem very attractive, but then you see his charisma, that glint in his eye.. something interesting about him?..and admiration grows for his character.
I say all this because I’m trying to think in terms of – if biologically speaking as a woman I should be attracted to very action-man type men with square jaws etc.. i simply can not say I have observed this. A woman can say a man is handsome objectively, but attraction..and adoration, seems to be so subjective! How can a woman say she has a type based on looks? It’s so subjective, based predominantly on personality.
LikeLike
[CH: not strange. it’s reasonable to assume a mate matching mechanism based on similarity to a parent’s looks that boosts the survival of a maximum number of one’s genes. or: ethnocentrism matters.]
Yes! I have also thought it must be this. Surely we are naturally attracted to those like this boost survival of genes.. For example we are attracted to our own race to boost survival of our race…and then further to faces looking similar to boost survival of genes even more like our own.
SO if a woman feels attraction to a man who looks very different from her.. in the past after knowing a man’s character I was very attracted to him, but there was also a persistent suspicion in me.. that this man was not going to be a good father/secure/trustworthy.. is he a bit snakey? etc.. Bordering on paranoia..just this gut feeling that this was not a good mate. I know I’m getting a bit to physiognomy judging character by face, right now… but maybe it’s more than that, maybe we can feel attraction by a man’s character but not want to have their children because they are so dissimilar from us and will not increase our reproductive fitness??
These are purely my own observations about what I’ve felt, but I can’t help but consider it may be evolutionary.
LikeLike
Time and time again, women are very fucking poor judges of character.
LikeLike
ANALyze the third guy:
LikeLike
Weinstein is gay. He hates pussy so much he can’t stand the thought of anybody else enjoying it.
A naive romantic might envision a feminized culture as the pussy’s elysian fields. Realistically, though, it’s about repression, arrested psychosexual development and cattiness. Weinstein country.
LikeLike
Guy number 1 is right
LikeLike
Middle guy is a good case study in beta. While Jeffries is derided for his realtalk, you can see tingles lingering just under the surface of his detractors. Middle guy makes the rookie mistake of arguing to the women as his equals, only to come off as a butthurt whiner in a dress and is absolutely ridiculed it.
LikeLike
Courtesy of BenK over @ AosHQ, it sounds like YaReally spent New Year’s Eve out in Indiana:
http://minx.cc/?post=346152
We kissed at midnight then you ran away! – w4m – 25 (Downtown)
http://bloomington.craigslist.org/mis/4267589122.html
“You – 5’8 scruffy, glasses, wearing a blue hoodie outside the Vid and I asked you for a lighter. You lit my cigarette and we talked about our wishes for the new year. We heard the countdown starting and decided to stay outside. I started to cry and you kissed me, and then we started to make out. After a minute I felt something warm and realised that you pissed yourself. I pushed you away and that’s when you ran but I wish you had stayed. You peed on me but it’s OK! I just want to know who you are! Please reply and when you do tell me why I started crying so I know it’s you – if you remember. “
LikeLike
Only peed on her?
Hmmm… must be trying to taper off.
LikeLike
But the bitch can’t get enough of it.
Maybe YaReally felt that if he actually shat on her, then the cops might ticket him for public indecency.
LikeLike
Or tailgating.
LikeLike
I feel that facial attractiveness plays a bigger role for short men than tall ones.
It seems to me like there has been a selection for more facially attractive short men to make up for women’s general preference for tall men. I see lots of short guys who look good facially, and fewer tall men who do.
Think there’s any validity to that?
LikeLike
Tall = dominance. All youve said is facial attractiveness plays a bigger role for less dominant men.
LikeLike
Short guys can be dominant, and I’ve met some who are way more dominant than their tall peers. Now, of course women are going to be more attracted to the dominance factor than the facial attractiveness factor in that case, but I still think that short guys are generally more facially attractive than tall ones, and it’s to compensate for being short, at least in the early stages of attraction.
LikeLike
Shorter guys, I’ve noticed, tend to have smaller, more delicate features that may be less ‘threatening’ (less masculine) to women.
LikeLike
You’ve missed the point entirely.
LikeLike
They are dominant before somebody punches them into submission.
Quite common thing to observe in high school.All the dominance of short guys evaporates by the age of 21-25.
LikeLike
Being short, I guess so. A tall guy can get girls. A short guy can get girls too as long as he isn’t horribly ugly. But even if the tall guy is horribly ugly he could still get girls.
And I know a very short guy, who is quite ugly, who married a girl much taller than he is, who looked like a model and had his babies. I wouldn’t be comfortable with a wife much taller than me, but he is, so that’s great.
A guy can definitely make up for lack of physical assets. But you have to have something: personality, brains, muscles, game, whatever I guess. Physical attractiveness is just one of the ways to get those juices flowing. In my case it’s brains (and results from applying them over a period of time) with a touch of game.
LikeLike
In your experience, what sort of fathers do the gorgeous eastern european girls have?
LikeLike
Who are the “eastern europeans”?
Turkic Bulgarians,slavic Czechs,dacian Romanians,illirian Serbs,finnic Estonians or germanized 1000 years ago Polabs of Mecklenburgh-Vorprommen?
ps: the matter your question is also hilariously stupid.
LikeLike
I don’t think you’re taking all things into account.
Other things come into play outside of what women find attractive.
Women find a bit of stubble to be the most attractive (as opposed to clean shaven or a large beard) but a large beard shows the most dominance/masculinity.
The hypothesis is that facial hair (and baldness for that matter–> women don’t find it attractive) signals to other men that you are formidable/strong/testosterized/etc, and therefore increases your chances of survival when competing against other males for resources/fights/etc.
A woman has to play it safe because while a soft faced herb might be attractive and fun, he won’t do well in fights against other males.
Regardless of what women think, a highly masculine face = strength, thicker bone structures (harder to break your eye socket, etc.) which would give you a survival advantage in the savage garden. This all has to do with competing against other men for resources, rather than purely attracting women. For most of human history violence was a part of daily life, and there was definitely a huge bonus to being strong (masculine face) and displaying that (facial hair, pronounced jaw, etc.).
LikeLike
I doubt fight were constant in hunter gatherers. It takes away resources from food gathering, and just like now the smarter guys who don’t like fighting are going to ostracize the bullies.
I work in a prison where all the love-to-fight morons are. The march to and fro at the orders of the guards, who are not constantly getting in fights.
LikeLike
It seems women follow the cues of men and, attempting to rationalize their initial attractiveness towards someone, blame it on the man’s facial attractiveness. When in reality, as CH has taught me over the years, it is a plethora of other factors (posture, body language, swagger) that make up a man’s “looks”. It is not a cross gendered term.
The thing is though, women actually BELIEVE that facial attractiveness is the dominant contributing factor. A good jawline and a symmetrical face are going to be seen as “high value” in a woman’s mind because of this because that’s what they are, are they not? Meanwhile me with my Slav-face, I’m going to be seen as a low value peasant if I’m not firmly rooted in my alpha-ness.
My point is, when the human brain doesn’t have enough information to make a judgement, they are going to settle upon your facial attractiveness, because that is the most easily available information.
LikeLike
Actually, the evo-psych stuff seems to get blurbed hardcore around the game sphere. Evolution has made women good at sniffing out fakers. So, the shorter-term the mating, the more and more women focus on non-fakable traits.
So, the first feature up is looks — face, height, muscularity, etc.
Over TIME she will evaluate the other traits — confidence, grace, etc. (I imagine that this is why early PUA stuff involved a lot of bouncing around — to create a distorted sense of time)….the idea being that that stuff is harder to fake over time.
LikeLike
when you walk into a room with a woman you have never seen, you really believe that that woman is looking at your face, and starting her judgement there?
real question.
LikeLike
Not as one item, no. Confidence, how you hold yourself, posture, aloofness bordering on disinterest, casual comfort around others, command of the room (or how others state it, your frame and how you project it), your level of physical looks/masculinity (height, muscularity, hard-face, etc) and how others respond to you (are you El Jefe to whom all look for guidance, or are you quiet, over-compensating in smiles Pablo scraping for approval?), these are what are judged, initially, before any kind of verbal play comes into question.
LikeLike
Yes. Face – stature – body – persona, in that order of attention.
LikeLike
i love competition brother, because its fun and i get bored, but with that answer, I don’t see any.
nothing personal.
LikeLike
LJBF
LikeLike
Color – size – height – bass in voice
LikeLike
I could never understand female attractiveness as a evolutionary selector … there is always some guy willing to bang it no matter how ugly — therefore uglies can pop out offspring just as fast as the beauties can. Where’s the selection pressure?
LikeLike
What kind of genes and parental support does that “some guy” contribute?
LikeLike
I think the theory is that ‘good looks’ tends to map to a number of physical characteristics which equate to ‘good breeding material’.
LikeLike
“therefore uglies can pop out offspring just as fast as the beauties can. Where’s the selection pressure?”
Selection against genetic load as expressed through paternal investment.
Scenario 1 (ongoing paternal investment):
A caveman has two ‘wives’: one comely, one homely The clan hits hard times and there isn’t enough food to go around. One of the wives (and her children) is going to get the shaft–which one will it be? The attractive woman will get better treatment… not only as a reward for her inherent attractiveness, but also as a safeguard measure because she has better options/alternatives were she to want leave the male.
Scenario 2 (upfront paternal investment):
Romantic relationships w/in the clan are semi-monogamous. A woman may have a main partner, but periodically takes secondary partners on the side. What type of woman will be able to demand higher payment from potential secondary suitors (food, favors, protection, etc) in exchange for sexual access?
LikeLike
Matter of statistics: as many kids you have,as better chances are that you will get a nice looking offspring
LikeLike
And then we have the case of brangelina in which 2 man jaw girls produce adorable girls and boys who look identical!
LikeLike
Curious as to how many of you have seen that documentary Girl Model (available on Netflix). It sort of shows that parts of peasant Siberia has been turned in to a hot young blonde breeding factory to serve the Japanese modeling/fashion industries. Relevant to this subject because it seems to me like the men who produce the hot blondes in question have this almost 50/50 mix of masculine and feminine in their features.
LikeLike
Checking it out now on YouTube (had heard of it before but forgot about it). The girl at 07:00 is just skin and bones. Thirteen years old. Practically no breasts. Body like a child, almost. “Our new star” and “She’s very good for Japan”, the model agent says.
LikeLike
But they have blonde hair and blue eyes, and look more Germanic than a lot of other peoples you find in Siberia. Which is what the world wants. And the families are poor enough to send their daughters to a non-White country en masse. Does anyone think Russia benefitted in any way from American funding and weapons preventing the Germans from taking Moscow? The pro-German Russian and Baltic soldiers would have become the foundation for a better Russia. One where this wouldn’t happen to White children who grow up in a world where they stand no chance to learn the truth about who they are and where they come from.
LikeLike
They look 100% russian. I have spotted only 1 non russian there.
How do you think russians look?
Plenty of small towns and villages in Siberia are populated by predominantly Russian and Finnic people (like Mordvins) since 19 century,when whole villages were colonizing the East.
LikeLike
Men and Women are attracted to those who look like each other. I’d say six women who look like me have hit on me. If you stood them next to each other, they’d look like sisters. They also looked like their fathers.
This has been noticed for a long time.
If a girl has a good relationship with her fathers, she’s attracted to men who look like him. If a boy has a good relationship with his mother, he’s attracted to women who look like her. It’s not a 100 percent correlation, of course, but it’s enough to be noticeable.
LikeLike
“Men and Women are attracted to those who look like each other. I’d say six women who look like me have hit on me. If you stood them next to each other, they’d look like sisters. They also looked like their fathers.”
I know tons of Indian girls who prefer white dudes, regardless of how much they like their fathers. I know a few east asian chicks who prefer white guys too.
Funny thing is that I prefer Indian guys for personality. I prefer them enough that it’s not hard for them to overcome my clear physical preference for caucasian men. Thus, I am not sure if people’s general preference for their own kind is an indicator of physical preference. Genes can do just as well if we are programmed to like our kind because of their mental attributes.
LikeLike
Explain to me what is meant by Indian guys “personality”. I have no knowledge of how they conduct interpersonal relationships, but they sure do act like beta wusses by and large. Granted the only ones I’ve met have been H1-B’s here working in some sort of technology, where I believe it could be plausibly claimed that they are just like white tech-goobers, so fill me in, what’s intriguing precisely?
LikeLike
I’m pretty sure that we simply import the nerds here and that there are in fact cool Indians in India.
LikeLike
Could happen. Hence the point of my question.
LikeLike
Alpha(ish) and/or high status Indian guy gets the tingles. It’s no different than any other culture. White men are among the highest status men, hence the attraction from women of other races.
LikeLike
They’re considered pretty alpha back home. Most all of them graduated from the Indian Institute of Technology, which is a big deal.
I’ve seen various Indian guys go back home for wife shopping, and the family (always well to do) has arranged a series of interviews for them. They can pick whichever they like or if they don’t like any, come back again for another round. There’s no thought that a girl would say no to an IIT grad who is in the USA, even on a student visa.
LikeLike
I don’t have a lot of interaction with IT types or with taxi driver and 7-11 owner types. Each profession kind comes from different regions/castes.
Guys from my group tend to have the same kind of intelligence I do. They are contemplative and unlike white dudes, they are more distant and less quick to aggression. Their expression of ego is slightly different. A lot of them have very high self confidence that allows them to show more humility. I don’t think it is generically appealing. It’s because I am of that kind that it appeals to me.
LikeLike
How were they judging “attractiveness” of faces. A guy who looks like a chick might be pretty enough, but do the girls get wet looking at his chin, do they feel the need follow him when he commands? Also I thought it has been established out that one alpha son is worth 100 lovely daughters in terms of replicating genes.
LikeLike
Yes that smooth faced guy can show high value in many ways and generate the moisture where it counts. So can his son. But his daughter would need a feminine face or else she’s got a problem.
So the smooth face is, maybe, just better in some circles. Even for a guy.
LikeLike
http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/01/28/beheco.ars092.full
This is a whole review on the immunocompetence theory and its flaws.
That article has a good breakdown of the whole “women prefer macho guys when ovulating” factoid — they do, but the difference is extremely slight (the difference is extremely minimal and the guy in the pic still looks pretty feminine).
LikeLike
Low body fat, chiselled facial features are always value-add. Chipmunk cheek herbling can flirt his way to getting laid but if he lifts, shreds fat, maybe take ECA, he’ll possess the aesthetics and enhanced self confidence to 2x his prior results, easily.
LikeLike
Yes, If you want to make the game easier, work out. Cut your bodyfat to remove any double chin, get your abs going, and get those guns showing. However, I’d recommend learning game first or concurrently. Ultimately, the external shit just grants you an audience. You still have to be tight to get it in right.
LikeLike
It’s a lot easier to have irrational self confidence when you’re externally validated (joocy, thick ,tight, chiselled). And you can amog/garner social proof from men and women so much easier.
Downside is being perceived as too aggressive (have gotten are you an inmate, law enforcement officer, etc.) despite having dayjob on the opposite end of spectrum. Milking that dichotomy for the win.
LikeLike
Downside is being perceived as too aggressive (have gotten are you an inmate, law enforcement officer, etc.) despite having dayjob on the opposite end of spectrum. Milking that dichotomy for the win.
This is always better than the opposite. I have had some women back off from me for this reason but they seem to be the exception, not the rule. Although with the total ramp up of the progressive programming it may start to backfire since many women are being convinced (brainwashed) that Pajama Boy is the bees knees and just what they want.
LikeLike
Once again, I think you guys have this all wrong, and are overthinking again.
(puts on Zombie Lame hat)
Picking girls based on how hot they are is all fine and well, but at the end of the day it all comes down to which ones can launch that football, recover, and do it again and again…
Now,
I got some bad nooz for all you dogs who hate me; Im smart, Im cut like an MMA, and Im pretty as a girl;
and theres 9 more where I came from.
Thats right, read it and weep.
mom launched her first football at 24 and never stopped until we had sucked all the calcium out of her body.
When you choose a girl you better pick one thats not gonna get hurt in practice cause the machinery does not come with a warranty.
LikeLike
AHAHA
You are not the first chocolate face to refer to squeezing out a brood as footballing that I’ve heard in my life.
Where in the hell do you guys get this crazy shit?
LikeLike
Hahaha and how the hell do you know you’re pretty as a girl?!
LikeLike
Being as pretty as a negro girl isn’t as much of a brag as it first appears.
LikeLike
You can learn a lot from gay men.
(no homo)
LikeLike
LikeLike
Always with the perfect video post. Do you maintain an index by subject or something?
LikeLike
Geez Louise…
If someone would have filmed me watching that video, they could have used it for advertising one of those verkakte Paranormal movies.
LikeLike
I enjoy strange youtube videos.
My sense of humor is a bit twisted.
LikeLike
He is the only one that does not have to wear make up at the transvestite bar…
LikeLike
And here’s the thing, looking at that homosexual video he posted and his comment about how you can learn from homosexuals: it seems that a far higher percentage of Black males are homosexuals than men in other races.
That could be because a lot of those who enter the homosexual subculture do so simply because they want easy sex with no courting needed and no strings attached – they can have a hundred sex partners in a year, or more. It is also a subculture full of alcohol and drug abuse.
It has been shown that most people in the homo culture only stay there for a few years, in between dating women before and after. These are not the ones born with the birth defect in their genes that turn them into homosexuals.
There was a show where they set out to interview “undercover gays”, apparently heterosexual men who have sex with other men simply because it is easy and they are horny. ALL of those interviewed were Blacks. It seemed like a completely Black phenomenon.
LikeLike
Arbiter
And here’s the thing, looking at that homosexual video he posted
———————————————————————————————
I didn’t post that video, PATRIARCH DID.
LikeLike
Black girl describing herself and her mother as machinery to launch footballs…priceless.
LikeLike
thwack,
I’m gonna estimate your European admixture at ~15 percent.
LikeLike
Nice suit.
LikeLike
Make it 12.5%… then he can be an honorary octaroon… llzozozlzlzozol.
LikeLike
Low yella
LikeLike
You mean like Jesus?
LikeLike
You thin Jesus was an octoroon? LOL Blacks love to believe in false history. I suppose Tutankhamon and Hannibal were Blacks too, like “Black History Month” posters show? Strange then that bodies from that time show them to be White. Northern Africa was never Negro territory, it was culturally and racially a territory belonging to southern Europe. The name “Africa” itself was spread only because it was the name of a Roman province.
LikeLike
Arbiter
You thin Jesus was an octoroon?
—————————————————————————————-
Nope.
180 out bro; Im saying he probably looked more like me than like you.
Since this is one area of the bible Greg Eliot will not quote scripture from, this may be a good opportunity for you to start reading the bible yourself.
Read from the book, read from the book:
Zondervan Bible Dictionary:
Ham:
1.The youngest son of Noah born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.
Greg, you better get this cracker off me; you know its a battle he cannot win.
Don’t make me check him and in the process accidentally wake up a whole lot of white people.
LikeLike
Agree on the part about reproductivity. Get a young healthy intelligent girl. You’ll be glad later, as long as she doesn’t take you to the cleaners in a divorce.
Or do it ‘hood style, have that woman as your unofficial wife but officially you’re off the books, then the state pays to raise your brood and you probably won’t get nailed for child support either.
LikeLike
Ladies and gentlemen, here’s the reason why we never heard of arnold shwarzenegger and the likes having a wife or a daughter.
LikeLike
Ahnold had both a wife and a mistress. He had a son with Maria Shriver (what a feminist shrew she turned out to be) and didn’t he have a daughter with the mistress?
LikeLike
Son with the mistress. Looks a lot like his dad, but with the Cali beach bum style. Then again, Awwnuld was sort of a beach bum back in the day too.
LikeLike
not only did arnold have a wife, he married into the freaking kennedys.
read a book dude
LikeLike
In “The Histories”, Herodotus describes an ancient Marriage Market.
Once a year, all girls of marriage age gathered in the village market.
The men stood round – while an auctioneer called the woman forward, in rank order of their looks.
Rich men bid against each other for the prettiest women – and the auctioneer collected the money.
As the prettier girls were married off – and the uglier women came forward – the auctioneer began offering dowries.
Poor men were hereby paid to take the uglier women as a wives.
The sale of beauties generated dowries for uglier women.
All women were married, wealth was redistributed and market value principles prevailed.
It was only after men abdicated to woman’s freedom of choice – that the whole situation went to hell.
LikeLike
Which is precisely why it’s good to be the traveling minstrel who fucks some rich dudes’ wives, then splits town before any of the fug broads catch sight of him or anyone utters the word ‘marriage’.
LikeLike
I think you’re more likely to be the guy who thinks of himself as the traveling Casanova, only to have the shit beaten out of him after leering at the fat servant girl hanging laundry, and any other woman you could come near whenever you thought men weren’t around to see you.
LikeLike
Prime example: Take a look at Demi Moore’s daughter (with Bruce Willis) Rumer Willis
LikeLike
I was about to leave the exact same comment. That jaw could mill flour.
LikeLike
Could it be that Demi briefly messed around on ol’ Bruce early in their marriage?
I would say Rumer’s bio-daddy just might be the hulking, gargantuan-jawed B-movie villain Robert Z’dar (him of the “Maniac Cop” franchise and 60 other straight-to-video monsterchillerhorrorgangster flicks) who was breaking big in the late eighties.
[CH: Rumer looks like a perfect cross of Demi and Bruce. Both parents have dat manjaw.]
LikeLike
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/08/23/the-clintons-greatest-shame-chelsea-clinton-is-the-biological-daughter-of-webb-hubbell/
And Webster Hubbel is an octoroon
LikeLike
Interesting… but completely unsurprising.
LikeLike
I’m calling bullshit… looks-wise, that nut Chelsea didn’t fall far from either Bill’s or Hilary’s tree.
LikeLike
CH: Rumer looks like a perfect cross of Demi and Bruce.
For my money, I’d say Rumer looks like a perfect cross of any woman and Jay Leno.[
LikeLike
The truth: LOOKS in dating is like HEIGHT IN BASKETBALL. It’s a definite advantage but it’s possible for the smaller/uglier man to compensate through practice/game/money/fame etc.
I’d say looks are especially important to younger girls/students and to more mature and succesfull women, as both groups don’t (yet) need a provider. Working/middle -class women between 25-35 y.o. prefer a rich/powerful man.
In any case, anyone who claims that male looks are not a major factor of appeal to women is completely delusional.
[CH: It’s not a major factor in the way that a woman’s looks are a major factor of appeal to men. fame, wealth, charm, attitude, and social status are all more important factors contributing to a man’s romantic appeal.]
LikeLike
Almost the only way looks are involved here is through male ego. Good looking man is easily less insecure than the ugly one -> more confidence -> more HB’s
LikeLike
^ co-sign.
See, solipsism goes both ways. As has been pointed out many times before here, women value confidence, success, and intelligence in men far more than we do looks, and will therefore assume that men value those same things in us, in the same order. That’s why you’ll have unattractive women wailing about how they can’t get a date, despite how successful and intelligent they are.
On the flipside, men value attractiveness in women above just about everything else…so they assume women value those same things, and in those same ratios. That’s how you’ll wind up with men who think the solution to their problems finding women is to do things to become more physically attractive. It can work, but *only if doing those things boosts their confidence*. Because, as long as you are not too fat to get out of bed, we really don’t care all that much what you look like.
And I’m going to have to put a qualifier on that “too fat to get out of bed” thing, too. I was watching one of those shameful, trainwrecky TLC shows about morbidly obese people a few weeks ago…there was this guy who weighed 800 lbs and was literally too fat to get out of bed. He had a wife, whom he was too fat to have sex with, but she stuck around to cook his food and wash under his fat rolls and wipe his ass. She wasn’t hot, but she could at least walk, which put her about 9 points above him looks-wise.
LikeLike
As a stripling, the first bench-press that sprang from my chest found its motivation through a lithe, hot young blond, whose pussy animated my imagination to such a degree I began a weightlifting routine to achieve it.
Which I did.
Though I eventually neutered this act of projection, I was confused by it long enough to draw great insight when I discovered the corrective.
LikeLike
I agree with you. The faster you want to bang, the more looks matter. When you get to longer time scales tho — 7+ hours — the other traits become very important. I’m pretty sure this is why ‘comfort’ is so important in game — it distorts a girl’s sense of time with a man.
LikeLike
So “comfort” is mainly for hot looking guys who want to capitalize on that fast? Whereas those of us who look more middling aren’t going to get so many ONS and comfort will develop by itself if we’re on the right track?
Makes sense to me. Also, if you meet someone who is so attractive they make you nervous, comfort provided by the beautiful one can offset that defensiveness and make you feel great. It won’t have the same effectiveness if that person is ordinary looking rather than extremely attractive.
LikeLike
No. Comfort is important for non-hot looking guys.
LikeLike
Imagine a tribal clan hierarchy.
The “king” have to be the most agressive male, the most developed in the art of socialization, and in the same way have to be master of weapons (“The Prince” of Maquiavel enforces it).
As a genetic role his face have to show that he had the biggest resources, so he have a full simetric face, a full beard and a 100% masculine face.
The leaders and high ranked soldier are like the king, but not so mastered at diplomacy and weapons.
Yet they still have the adjusted heights, faces, and a masculine body.
Now we have all the other masculine ômegas who just survive, they dont get the best resources and so on are never trained to the point that they natural testosterone production make them to have great muscular density, a great height and a good facial structure.
So they will became more close to females (facial talking) and more androginous.
A top ranked woman will always be attracted to more masculine traits because she is develped to just submit to them (i.e female Alpha plus).
The almost top ranked womans will always be attracted to more masculine traits yet they accept submission to a alpha minus (i.e female alpha minus)
Yet, all the rest of the woman will do what they were born to do, get well with the rest.
_______________________________________________
This is the reason why duality works.
Social betas can easily being ostracized if they use a full beard and have the muscular face developed.
Yet, if this same man are seen as an alpha this traits will be just affirmatives of his position.
It’s like an alpha who is surrounded by females, it is already expected.
LikeLike
The safe genetic strategy, if one could chose having boys or girls, would be to have girls. Factoring for fitness and age, all women can have the same number of children, whether they are ugly or beautiful. There might be some question on how well the children survive depending on the amount of resources the less attractive women can secure but other than that it is a tossup. And a big boned women might produce large girls but they might go on to produce large male grandchildren.
This is why men are the key to human evolution. The 80/40 rule is still with us. Men who are genetic celebrities or alpha types do well but that is really only half the equation. Status is so critical because it is a proxy for intelligence. Humor, wealth, fame, or technical skill can lead to enormous power which then can be parlayed into sex and children. If this was not the case then humans would all be large beautiful specimens with IQ of that of chimps.
The real genetic home run is if you have a powerful and physically fit son who can spread his seed far and wide who can also protect and leverage his children’s reproductive prospects. It is not so easy to do.
LikeLike
These days it’s not hard for most Americans to spread their seed far and wide. Some of those kids will not be aborted. They just won’t be around to raise the resulting kids. And they might be tracked down and required to send money.
I don’t think the usual constraints on fertility are so important any more. Not favorable for the quality of the species, of course, but it is what it is.
LikeLike
Could a gentle soul compile all the existing CH posts? like what’s been done with Yareally and others. I tried to do it but I’m a lazy fuck so…
I’d hate to wake up one day and find that this holy place disappeared… (for good, not like last time with the url scare).
LikeLike
This comment was meant for the previous board, but whatever and shit.
LikeLike
http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/
Penis in vagina is always rape. ok?
LikeLike
That was sooooooo funny!
LikeLike
Lawdy lawdy…
Those radical feminists…
It’s quite obvious that vaginal penetration is unnatural.
LikeLike
That site is further evidence that feminism is a mental disorder.
LikeLike
+1
LikeLike
If you want descend further towards the bottom of feminist lunacy meet
Luce E=mc2 is a sexist equation
http://australiandefenseleague.blogspot.ca/2013/04/e-mc2-is-sexist-equation-
LikeLike
and even further
LikeLike
Wow. That is amazing insanity there. The writer claims that sex is “unnatural” and that the vagina was not made for sex. Only for giving birth. (Even though she earlier in the post says that pregnancy is ALSO an invasion of women’s bodies by something “harmful”, which is how she defines pregnancy.) She claims that sex is always painful for women and they all have to “work around the pain”. Her “proof” that it is unnatural to have sex is that it hurts when the hymen breaks. (The reason there is a hymen however is that during pregnancy, the hymen protects the vagina from germs and dirt. That doesn’t make sex “unnatural”.)
She claims that men’s desire to have sex is only part of the plan to make women pregnant, which is unnatural and a way to “control” women.
The sickos in the comment section agree, with one of them declaring that she refers to all the times when she had sex as the times when she was raped. (Because she was “brainwashed” into having sex, you see.) One of them says about men that “they. know. exactly. what they are doing”. You see, all men are secretly part of the plan to make women pregnant as a way to control them, and we are only lying about our desire to have sex for other reasons. Meanwhile, another commenter talks about men’s desire to have sex as if it’s not part of a master plan for pregnancy, so they don’t have their stories straight.
These are some seriously disturbed individuals, ugly and bitter and unable to fit in in normal society. And of course unable to find a boyfriend, which is where all this hatred comes from
LikeLike
If you follow that line of reasoning to it’s conclusion it would mean that rape is perfectly natural (like homosexuality) – a necessity even – and should thus not be penalized.
And what about anal?
LikeLike
+1
Too bad “follow[ing] [any] line of reasoning to its conclusion” isn’t a core feminine strength.
LikeLike
GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR LOGIC, DARTH DONGLE
LikeLike
OTOH, it may be in my personal best interest to cheer on the PIV-iz-rape silliness – more men to choose from for my preciouses, and fewer crazies out there preying on males for my sons!
LikeLike
Bloody hell.
I am not a psychiatrist,but something tells me its a student example of a schisophreniform disorder.
LikeLike
Jesus.Ive never seen anything more delightful than this.Lol
http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/if-men-want-to-help/
Stop sticking your dicks in women. This is rape. This is torture.
Stop sticking your dicks in women. NOW. For EVER!!!! Ever ever. Like, don’t ever put your dick in a woman or a girl again.
The above is the utmost, absolute MINIMUM men can do to help women. This does not even count men’s infinite every-day torture that surrounds rape and impregnation of women by men that they should stop too. A man who sticks his dick in girls and women is a rapist (and scum). He is not helping women.
Give back to women what you, and men in general, have stolen from women:
Women need Land. Give land back to women.
Women need money. Give money back to women.
Women need houses and rooms of our own. Give houses back to women.
Women need resources (food, water, equipment of all sorts…). Give resources back to women.
Women need time. Clean your own shit.
Reminder: stop using your dick against women, stay away from feminism, and refuse any credit for your what you give back to women. For a thief is not to be thanked for handing back what he stole.
LikeLike
“For a thief is not to be thanked for handing back what he stole”. Typical example of Marxist thinking. If someone has wealth, he must have stolen it. The two basic Marxist lies about the economy is that….
1. All are equal, so no one can create more than anyone else, since no one is more intelligent or more industrious. If you have more you must therefore have stolen it.
2. Wealth is not created, it exists in a static state.It is unfair to have more since the static wealth can and should be distributed evenly. This therefore becomes the only goal in economic policy. This will have no consequences at all on the economy’s wealth production, since the economy doesn’t create wealth, it is only a process of thievery.
They don’t usually state this outright, but it underpins every thought they have about money and wealth. Like in the feminist statement above: if men have more wealth than women, and if they have more leadership positions, that must be due to theft. If Europeans have more wealth than Africans, they must have stolen it from Africans. This is shown in school textbooks stoking hatred against Westerners by ominously declaring how much more food the average Westerner has than the average African. It is assumed that Westerners have stolen the food, which exists in a static state – Westerners couldn’t have created more food than Africans, since all are equal in their capability.
LikeLike
I always wondered why my girfriend likes reverse anal cowgirl. It isn’t rape.
LikeLike
Pretty much makes sense. You have a gene that makes a bigger jaw, it’s going to go to your daughters (bad) and your sons (good). Etc., etc.
Using CH’s above-stated maxim that feminine women will pair off with masculine men because they can (in both cases), leaving masculine women with feminine men, it seems that you’ll get very little assortative mating, meaning that you’ll have a range of kids from most families.
Which makes sense–we hear about business, academic, etc. families all the time, but have there ever really been modeling families? Sure there’s showbiz (though there’s a very heavy component of ethnic nepotism there), but even that has lots of behind-the-scene roles where looks aren’t the principal thing.
LikeLike
Genetic inheritance will always be a dice-roll. My bestest female friend is a Scottish immigrant divorcee who IS deliciously skinny but from the neck up is in the so-ugly-she’s-beautiful category. Her incredible personality and her exotic, time-warp Brigadoon accent still brings the boys to the yard and she’s always complaining about older men hitting on her.
Her ex is reasonably good-looking but hardly in the movie-star category. Nevertheless, her two daughters (13 and 16) are both totally modelriffic. Oh, you can see the resemblance all right but somehow they got the best features of both. I can’t imagine a “modelling family” nature just doesn’t work that way.
“He’ll be a great kid, Adrian! He’ll have my body and your brains.”
Uh oh! Suppose he has my brains and your body?”
LikeLike
Sometimes genetics can be a bit of a mystery. Most people can’t accept that I am indeed the offspring of my parents.
Mother is 5’4 and has a frail small frame
Father is about 5’8 and also has a small frame (granted he lost a couple inches due to spinal injuries sustained while race car driving)
Me: 6’2 and built like a nose tackle.
With that said, the amount of multi-generational athletes out there tends to prove that good old selective breeding can be effective.
LikeLike
Was your milkman a former NFL player?
LikeLike
Aye, the discount milkman at that. For every order of milk she’d place he’d give her a quarter back.
LikeLike
Ever notice that’s the preferred chant of YKWs at a football game?
“GET THE QUARTER BACK!!!”
LikeLike
Im on the ground pounding the floor LMBAO.
Cue Charles Barkley:
“thats turrible, just turrible”
LikeLike
Funny!
LikeLike
One of these days, Greg Eliot is going to awaken with a bad migraine in a dungeon somewhere just outside of Tel Aviv…
The printed transcripts of his comments on the table in front of him, in a strange alphabet.
LikeLike
Some of the cleverest improv ever published to this site. Cheers.
LikeLike
And a pit crew of makeup technicians and some photoshopping can turn anyone into a celebrity.
LikeLike
All the ovulation studies say that women find masculine men more attractive than feminine men when they are ovulating and the reverse when they do not.
LikeLike
lol but the difference is SLIGHT.
LikeLike
I read through the article linked, and while the difference is slight, the difference in masculinity and femininity of the faces used to make the comparison was also slight, (in fact I could barely discern any difference between them).
If the difference between the faces in masculinity and femininity were larger, than maybe the difference would be larger.
LikeLike
And maybe it wouldn’t be lol. Hard to say. So ya, we both see the problem with repeating the ‘masculine when fertile’ byte as a fact.
LikeLike
All the ovulation studies say that women find masculine men more attractive than feminine men when they are ovulating and the reverse when they are not ovulating.
LikeLike
Betas suck it down again.
http://f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/925335
“Ms. Wotherspoon, 24, became famous last month after her Tumblr blog, titled A Penniless Girl, Bad Dates and Plenty of Oysters, was covered extensively by Canadian media. You can read her interview with the Globe and Mail here.
With rare exception, Wotherspoon was vilified for her gameplan that involved fishing for men using online dating sites and having them pay for dinner at a high-scale restaurant on her culinary bucket list. Later, she would blog about the encounters in less-than-flattering terms.
Press coverage of Wotherspoon’s audacious methods resulted in a book offer from a New York publisher and brought her to the attention of Relativity Media, which currently produces Restaurant Stakeout and Catfish – The TV Show, among other reality offerings.”
LikeLike
It’s safe to assume that anyone who has a dumblr account is an idiot and should not be associated with.
LikeLike
Wow just wow.
You say MAN-JAWED like that’s a BAD THING when we all know that men and women are exactly the same. What is a masculine man anyway? What is a feminine woman? Wow just wow you are adhering to antiquated constructs like the SOCIALLY ENGINEERED gender binary that obviously doesn’t exist anywhere in nature.
Women love soft, sensitive, caring men who treat them like the princess they really are, and a lot of those homophobic “manly men” treat women like DIRT! Wow just wow that’s OBVIOUSLY the reason women aren’t attracted to them.
Wait, where have all the good men gone?
LikeLike
All the good men were converted by force into becoming psychopathic rapists and murders, raping and murdering throughout the land razing civilization to the ground so we can all live in medieval times once more. 😛
LikeLike
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall.
— Isaiah 55:11
Reintroducing women to the calculations of base nature is a holy mission.
What is’t to me, when you yourselves are cause,
If your pure maidens fall into the hand
Of hot and forcing violation?
— Henry V, II.iii
Insensate Christ haters misunderstand the latitude of jus in bello of God fearing men in Crusade. “Now go and smite Am’alek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass” (1 Samuel 15:3). And when King Saul pussed out? “Samuel said to Saul, ‘I will not return with you; for you have rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD has rejected you from being king over Israel.'” (26)
What’s that you were saying about Christianity being a haven for beta males and faggots? One name of the church is the Ecclesia Militans. Feminism has taught you to think of the Body of Christ on earth as submissive and passive, because that’s what feminism teaches about every institution. Well done: they have turned you against the last citadel of manliness still standing and unapologetic.
So the cities will indeed “burn to the ground,” yes, by “psychopaths” loosed by the hand of God at the margins, but chiefly through the instrument of His methodical, rational, faithful church. He directs his holy people, and he directs the wicked as well, to accomplish his will. “Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the LORD that will be established” (Proverbs 19:21).
Matt
LikeLike
We cannot trust the RCC in this country. Look what they’ve done to so many boys that have been molested and raped. Look at how they are favoring hispanics over whites as a matter of policy — and forgetting to tell the white parishioners of course. Take as many assets as possible from the whites and transfer to hispanics. I’ve seen it happen in the part of my family that is addicted to that organization.
Also, you’re quoting the OT there. The OT is very masculine. When’s the last time you heard a sermon focused on the OT? The Christian churches, including RCC, nominally embrace the OT but in practice it’s all NT, primarily the letters of Paul who had issues of his own, the blind leading the blind.
LikeLike
Way to vomit leftist propaganda on cue like an obedient little commie.
The incidence of pederasty occurs with more frequency among public school teachers and Jéws and Muslims. Now stop and think why your media minders are so hellbent on emphasizing the church’s sins to the exclusion of all others. Take a second to uncover the mystery of why they might destroy the one institution that opposes them at every turn. You can’t be so naive to believe the promotion of one set of “facts” while ignoring another set wholesale is coincidental. You are their unwitting lackey.
Educate yourself, stop puking their bile at me according to their design.
And while you’re at it, become familiar with both Testaments of the bible. I shouldn’t have to point out Mark 11:15-17, Matthew 10:34-36, Luke 12:49-51, Ephesians 6:10-20, or the entire Book of Revelation for you to understand that Christianity cannot be reduced to the Sermon on the Mount — to say nothing of magisterial teaching and apostolic tradition.
Fools! You scrutinize the marginal inroads that feminism has made on the church and assume it to be the whole of the faith! You subtract Christ’s manliness from him like feminism commands, you de-gender The Father the same as the academy does! You think you can stand alone against organized nihilism, when the church has been the organized enemy against its inchoate and deliberate forms from the day Christ christened Simon “Petras” (Mt 16:18).
The enemy’s intent is to divide, isolate, and pick us off one by one — and here you are doing their dirty work for them, claiming that the only refuge, the only communio openly arrayed against them, is secretly in league with them.
Matt
LikeLike
I see you beat me to the punch on this spun-from-whole-cloth MSM campaign against men of the cloth… well-said.
LikeLike
True that the leftists are hypocrites when they accuse Catholicism of homosexual rape, when it is more common among Turks, Jews and Arabs, who the leftists protect.
However. Christianity is not conservative, it has always been a chameleon attaching itself to whoever is in power. That’s why Christians are so astonished when Christian leaders all across the West support leftist causes. “But … but … we’re conservatives!” Nope, the Christian leaders follow the time-honored Christian habit of going where power is. In the past power was in conservative hands, but now it is in leftist hands, so that’s why the Catholic Church is one of the biggest, very active and organized importers of African immigrants to the U.S., and why there are leftist priests and ministers in every nation.
Christianity is not a complete chameleon, though. While it adapts to power, it always bring its universalist message, where all men of all races are “brothers in Christ”, and where all should live in guilt and fear because of their actions, which can only be alleviated by submitting to the Christian agents. Clever.
Christianity has also always, always adhered to what Nietzsche called the slave morality, which says it is evil to conquer land for your people. That the strong are automatically evil and the weak are automatically good. Even though all peoples have always conquered, as it is an instinct sprung from evolution. This Sermon of the Mount B.S. was used to gain followers among the slaves and servants in the Roman Empire, which is how Christianity spread. Hence Nietzsche’s name for it. The slaves and servants enjoyed hearing that they were underdogs not because they were weak or losers in war, but because they were morally superior. It stroked their egos and promised them rewards, while their masters would be tortured forever.
Even when nations turned Christian and conquered, the slave morality was there. Telling them it was evil to conquer, and even evil to defend yourself from conquest. “You shall turn the other cheek”, the Bible says, and “If a man wants your coat, you shall give him not only your coat but also your shirt”. So Christians were always filled with guilt for not living the suicidal life Christianity told them to live. And therefore they constantly had to ask the church for forgiveness. Clever.
This also meant that conquest always had to be justified. Colonizing the world, in a final victory of the kind that all peoples had always dreamed of, had to be justified as “spreading Christianity”. Indians and Africans were converted to Christianity. Then they had to be “uplifted” as further justificiation for keeping the colonies.
And when the colonized subjecs had been Christianized and uplifted through education, there was no longer any justification for keeping the European colonies. The anti-Western socialists attacked the empires as White “racism”, and Western leaders could not answer with a philosophy of conquest for the sake of moving their own European people forward – Christianity had banned all such thinking as all peoples were supposed to be “brothers in Christ”. And so the colonies were abandoned.
And because Christianity had introduced the false concept that guilt is something magical that is inherited, Westerners easily fell into the trap when socialists said they were evil for having colonized the world. And just like they had submitted to the Church out of guilt when “Jesus died for YOUR sins, evil sinner”, they submitted to the socialists and accepted mass immigration to make amends.
But hey. It doesn’t matter what happens to the West, right? Because the earth is just a test site to see who will be rewarded with eternal “bliss” in heaven, billions and billions of years, and who will be tortured constantly in hell. So Christians learn to just close their eyes to what happens to Western nations. It doesn’t matter, they tell themselves: this is just a testing ground.
LikeLike
Not to sound apologist, but the whole priest abuse scandal that we’ve been inundated with over the past two generations, courtesy of that always-truth-telling MSM, isn’t as widespread as we’re led to believe.
Far more children are abused, sexually or otherwise, in the public schools and the ghettos of this nation… but THAT inconvenient truth doesn’t sell… nor does it further the agenda of the Cathedral, like dragging Christianity through the mud does.
That said, you’re right that the RCC is becoming an hispanic-centric entity… the RCC, throughout history, is nothing if not opportunistic and politically savvy.
THAT said, well… let the conqueror have the spoils, as history shows… carve up America into natural ethno-states, the sooner the better.
And for my money, the hispanics I’ve been running into lately have a lot more innate respect for God, hence right and wrong, than the garden-variety Sambos and Pajama Boys that I wouldn’t have as neighbors.
LikeLike
All the good men have been converted by force into becoming psychopaths so we can burn all the cities to the ground and live in medieval times once more. 😛
LikeLike
Those few who can, practice game.
Those who cannot, mgtow.
Either way, eventually the system is going to collapse, one half running wild while the other half refuses to contribute anything extra than their legal share of taxes.
Whoever survives the collapse will rebuild.
LikeLike
Indeed backwards times are coming back. Imagine that darkness when father and mother will not give a child some time to decide what gender (s)he is
Poor children the fact they are born with male or female genitalia will decide their gender forever.
They may even call a person with cogntive/intellectual impairment a retard
Poor Adorno would turn in the grave if he saw this descent into darkness
LikeLike
“All the good men have been converted by force into becoming psychopaths so we can burn all the cities to the ground and live in medieval times once more. ”
One of those restaurants closed nearby, but I had no desire to buy the building and live in it, even if they said that I could keep the sign.
LikeLike
Finally,a good comment lol.
LikeLike
I really liked seeing the wow-oh-wow… twice!
LikeLike
On a sidenote:
Since women can’t legally pick and choose (yet) the sex of their babies,
Ah, would that they could! The feminists would have almost only girls, no doubt. Women being less able to obtain leadership positions, that would mean fewer man-slaves to the feminists.
Meanwhile conservativew would be wise to have more sons than daughters. At least the first child should be a boy, as it has been shown that the best combination if you have children of both sexes is for the boys to be born before the girls: the boys then learn to protect, and become more relaxed masculine. The girls learn how to enjoy being protected by men.
The worst combination is an older sister and a younger brother. The big sister becomes aggressively bossy, women being less suited to handle power. The little brother is less likely to do well in school and is more likely to find a mate late in life or not at all.
Would be interesting to see a study on the political views of big brother/little sister siblings, and big sister/little brother siblings. And which ones are more likely to be swayed by homosexual propaganda. (The latter combination, I’m sure.)
LikeLike
The big sister/little brother combination leads to redpill men. The boys see women at their worst growing up so they are never delusional about women. These boys grow up into the sisters’ social circle and know how to speak to women.
LikeLike
No. As research shows and as I mention, the big sister/little brother combination produces more men that do worse in school and who marry late or not at all, as it is more difficult for them to find a girlfriend. They are also more insecure. The best combination for both sexes is the big brother/little sister combination (if there are siblings of both sexes). The men grow up in a natural leader position and become relaxed, natural leaders. They are more likely to do well in school and in their careers and to have success with women.
Note: this is not in every case, it is just the way things lean statistically, etc etc.
LikeLike
In my experience,all the guys are know who have an older sister are absolute blue-pill pussies.
Few red pill guys I know have brothers only.
LikeLike
The hell is this? A rave. Blue pill, red pill. Sounds like someone is trying to drug someone in anticipation of some surprise buttehxt.
LikeLike
Just for simplicity of explanation.
I sort of agree that all this red/blue pill mambo-jumbo is stupid.But helps to describe a man’s mental state in 2 words.
LikeLike
Ok then, how about Miller Light versus Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout? Would that work better for you, Ryan?
LikeLike
I think relative age is important to consider here. If we are talking a 1-2 year difference, I doubt there is much of an affect. A 3-5 year difference probably is to the boys detriment. Anything beyond that, and I would imagine the elder really has very limited interest in the younger child, and they both might as well be considered only children.
LikeLike
I’m pretty sure a lot of feminists might have boys just to spite and punish them.
LikeLike
That sounds like a quip, but I know a feminist broad (fat, of course…social worker…of course…brow beaten beta schlub of a husband…of course) who is intentionally emasculating her sons (2 boys 1 girl). She goes so far as to state out loud, on any random occasion, how proud she is that son 1 will likely turn out gay.
The boy is a football playing jokster, rough and tumble and clearly rejects her influence in every area, but she’s bound and determined to make him gay. She seems quite serious and gets very upset when he wants to play sports, etc. She also openly loathes her husband, who sits back meekly and takes it. My only guess is that son 1 discovered masculine rebellion at an early age out of self preservation instinct more than anything else.
So yeah, I think you’re suspicion is correct.
LikeLike
The most blue pill people we all know are pastors , priests and sisterless boys because they only see the good side of women their own age they aren’t interested in.
A boy with a sister has a leg up on the nature of women.
LikeLike
If that’s the case than the joke will be on them.
LikeLike
One thing that not even feminist women can escape is their maternal love for their young children. It’s the only kind of love they really feel, and it’s involuntary.
In fact with all the fights between girls and their mothers, they might feel it stronger for boys, because the female cattiness isn’t there.
LikeLike
Ladies and gentlemen the high standards of the 21st century woman:
http://gawker.com/perfect-new-years-missed-connection-is-equal-parts-kis-1493242456
You – 5’8 scruffy, glasses, wearing a blue hoodie outside the Vid and I asked you for a lighter. You lit my cigarette and we talked about our wishes for the new year. We heard the countdown starting and decided to stay outside. I started to cry and you kissed me, and then we started to make out. After a minute I felt something warm and realised that you pissed yourself. I pushed you away and that’s when you ran but I wish you had stayed. You peed on me but it’s OK! I just want to know who you are! Please reply and when you do tell me why I started crying so I know it’s you – if you remember.
LikeLike
Next time it’s a Cleveland Steamer.
LikeLike
I looked like a soft, long haired girl in high school and yet had a string of consecutive girlfriends. Was also an arrogant, hyper competitive little asshole though. Or maybe the girls were just dumber back then, who knows.
LikeLike
Not surprised. Non-aggressive looking = comfort, but actually aggressive is something you can get away with girls when it would cause problems with guys, and it stops any misguided thoughts of chivalry.
LikeLike
That’s why girls always pick Paul McCartney as their favorite Beatle. He was the most non-threatening.
LikeLike
My favorite Beatle is the Dung.
[CH: no love for the Stink?]
LikeLike
The “stink” is a bug that is unemployed.
LikeLike
I’ve never really gotten the supposed connection between masculinity and good looks in men. Probably because I am a guy, and I don’t heve a very masculine face myself. But I’ve always thought that men with more masculine faces tend to look stupid, and somewhat ugly. Masculinity in body structure, I can understand that. Muscles, broad shoulders and what not. But facial masculinity only looks good up to a certain point.
LikeLike
Sean Connery, Bruce Willis, Burt Reynolds, John Wayne, Clarke Gable and Clint Eastwood will be by shortly to kick your ass.
I don’t know a living breathing woman alive, who is straight, who wouldn’t still line up three blocks deep to fuck any of those guys, even the dead ones. Look stupid, heh, I suppose you think masculine faces look like the hyper weight training competitors (only) aka President Macho Comacho? Nah, there are more specimens than that to be seen.
LikeLike
“I suppose you think masculine faces look like the hyper weight training competitors (only) aka President Macho Comacho? Nah, there are more specimens than that to be seen.”
And those specimens that you list are on the lower end of the masculine spectrum. They are still quite gracile and “pretty” in their looks. And Bruce Willis’ face hardly even qualifies as masculine, even tho he plays masculine characters.
LikeLike
My wife doesn’t like the super-masculine looking face, or so she says. And my face isn’t like that. But I’m not pajamaboy either.
LikeLike
[…] The people demanded less opaque post titles, and the proprietors listened. […]
LikeLike
—————————————————————————————————-
Nobody who had once seen his face could ever forget it. The big dome of his forehead marked it. The face was peculiar looking because of the large eyes; the look in them seemed to surround everything. In spite of his youth, his face was not handsome, it was rather ugly. Never did I see him laugh or smile. His face was always dignified and serious. Only when he was outdoors in spring did it seem to relax, and then become cheerful and bright. At many concerts he would shine with happiness. In the most wonderful moments we spent together, particularly when he talked about an idea in which he was interested, his eyes were filled with happiness. Otherwise his face was impenetrable. One could never—except to the last few months—find in his face any hint of what was happening deep within his soul. The taut muscles would often move, and sharp wrinkles would appear on his face, as if they were caused by intolerable pain. I asked for the reason, he controlled himself at once, gave a vague or evasive answer, or talked about other matters, making further questioning impossible
——————————————————————————————————-
Arthur Gerber about his friend Otto Weininger
Wininger wrote Sex and Character and killed himself shortly afterwards at age of 23 a bullet through the heart in the house in which Beethoven had died
Sex and Character should be read by anybody who try to understand gender differences and their relation to a larger picture of civilization and culture
LikeLike
Greatness is absent from the nature of the woman and the Jew, the greatness of morality, or the greatness of evil. In the Aryan man, the good and bad principles of Kant’s religious philosophy are ever present, ever in strife. In the Jew and the woman, good and evil are not distinct from one another … It would not be difficult to make a case for the view that the Jew is more saturated with femininity than the Aryan, to such an extent that the most manly Jew is more feminine than the least manly Aryan
———————————————————————————————————
Here is a quote from Sex and Character
(Weininger was a Jew who converted to Christianity)
LikeLike
I do not know what happened to the previous post but this one was a continuation of that one
LikeLike
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. – Saul of Tarsus
LikeLike
Oh that is paul I thought that was Derrida deconstructing but than I do not think that he deconstructed Jesus before he turned into dust frm which he should not have been constructed in the first place
LikeLike
Spiritually-speaking, all have fallen short of the glory of God… and all can partake in His gift of salvation, through His son, Christ.
But while here in the meat world, don’t try to tell me that we’re all equal… to the point that there are no distinguishing features and behaviors even between men and women.
(May the next guy… especially if he be a non-Xtian trying to shame believers… who misuses this verse to make a case for earthly equality shall be struck blind in the eyes, to match his reasoning. Take heed!)
LikeLike
I think this fellow Gro has established enough cred to assume he is using scripture properly and not as some manipulated rationalization for equality torn from righteous context.
But what do I know? He could be subversive.
LikeLike
I’ve seen him go both ways…
No homo.
LikeLike
Check out his post about “frontrunners” on the next thread, you’ll see what I mean.
LikeLike
“for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Unless you are not in Christ Jesus
LikeLike
All-important qualifier, that “in Christ Jesus.” The left thinks they can go it alone, and the anti-Christians think we signed up for the leftist suicide pact.
To say equality in the eyes of the God is even comparable to, much less a synonym of, equality in the eyes of man, is to mistake the integer “1” for infinity.
Matt
LikeLike
In which realm Pope Francis operates when washes the feet of earthly scum,
higher or lower?
When you turn the other cheek does the blow come from the higher level?
Does it hurt less ?
There in no 2 domains just one, the one in which the struggle takes place
When you glorify the weakness the weak you will have, when the meek inherit the earth you shall endure the consequences
If you are a Christian than assume the teachings and live accordingly
LikeLike
If you’re going to defecate your amateur theology in front of me, at least conceal some of the smell with proper punctuation and syntax.
We all are “weak” in the sight of the creator of the universe, and his “glorif[ication]” of it constitutes the entirety of our dignity.
You want to make distinctions and declare superiorities apart from God’s judgment, Who created all distinctions and superiorities, which makes you the greatest fool possible. Especially since you are introduced to the fact of your inferiority daily, while superbia disables you from acknowledging your relative place on the great chain of being.
The meek inherit the earth because they are most naturally disposed to acknowledge the Only True Power, a dominion which dominates poseurs like you who are too imbecilic and uppity to be unafraid of Him That Made You.
You can’t even manage to understand you did not form yourself ex nihilo and that you are not a god, which makes you more dysfunctional than the lowest retard who ever lived.
“As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD” (Joshua 24:15), the Lord who no longer “call[s us] servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing,” but calls us friends (John 15:15).
Matt
LikeLike
Since I cannot reply you for some strange reasons, I will reply to myself
Fanatics like you I have met many before
I have asked a few simple questions you came with insults
Yes I want to make distinctions and declare superiority apart from YOUR God
I do not accept your corrupt Semitic god and never will
My dignity will never consist of glorifying YOUR God
I hope your mind is not totally eclipsed by the “love” that you preach and you will understand these few simple notions and f*uck off
LikeLike
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/belief-in-evolution-declines-among-republicans-as-party-lurches-rightward-20140103-hv7ck.html
“The number of Republican voters who do not believe in evolution has jumped from 43 per cent to 54 per cent in the past four years, research has found.”
I just glanced at the Twitter feed and realized they’re right. Dysgenics ought to be a booming field though.
LikeLike
If a hippo jumps in the ocean and swims around for a while he becomes a whale. Did you know that? Yeah, it’s true.
LikeLike
In the beginning there was Nothing… then it exploded.
LikeLike
Not sure which is the bigger political obstacle.
Rural people refusing to replace their faith with the random decrees of constantly shifting scientism, as reported by the same academy that superconsciously falsified climate data to promote an ideological wish as “science,” and particularly in areas of no practical relevance …
… or the credulity of otherwise intelligent people who believe in not just mobocracy, but in the shamanism of polling as something felicitous to the politics of a republic.
Yes, there is more wisdom in Genesis than in the fleeting notions of 455 “randomly selected” low-information adults picked with an eye for “vibrancy.” If you glean anything from snapshot opinion polls, you’re the dysgenic interloper.
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” — Churchill apocryphal
Matt
LikeLike
Case in point: Holland. Very nice looking men,tall,masculine and generally attractive.Women also have amazingly proportional and beautiful faces,but often balance on the edge of extreme attractiveness vs. masculinity (=ugliness).
You know, like Charlize Theron.Add a tiny bit of masculinity there and she wont be a 10 anymore,she will become a 5.
But than we have Sweden-a completely different story.Men are also attractive,but women too.Take out the ugly modern US influenced fashion (converse shoes etc) and you will get very feminine and beautiful women,unlike Dutch.
The problem with this kind of research that it is not very objective.You cant really run a Wilcoxon opr Mann Witney on data from a questionnaire (“rate the hotness from 1 to 10”).It devaluates science.
LikeLike
I assume you refer to Francois Midget Holland the president of a devastated domain called France
Here is the an inkling into the passion which inhibits his being
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4303303/Frances-new-President-Francois-Hollande-gets-a-kiss-from-his-girlfriend.html
LikeLike
Women also have amazingly proportional and beautiful faces,but often balance on the edge of extreme attractiveness vs. masculinity (=ugliness).
Yeah, the Netherlands and Denmark tend to have a problem with producing women that look like Brianne on Game of Thrones.
LikeLike
If the Dutch are such hot shit, then how come they let their country become THE MOST Somali-ized Islamic Caliphate in Europe?
LikeLike
Usually I agree with this blog, but this thesis is not consistent with my experience. For years I was shocked how even plain, unattractive women would associate only with very pretty boys. My reaction at the time was “they are acting against their own reproductive interests” but my impression was that they were told to only consider mating with very pretty, often feminine-looking boys by the media and culture. I’ve heard there is a slight shift in this trend with the younger generation (Gen Y), but don’t have enough experience with them to know if that’s true.
LikeLike
I think you are referring to the common observation that nice looking men often date down.
This is usually explained by the fact that nice looking guys lack game but mostly are lazy.They are approached by women of f*ckable standard anyways,who treat them nicely.Why bother going after hot chicks,who are flakey,selfish,unpredictable and suck all your energy?
LikeLike
Word
LikeLike
What he said…
LikeLike
I think it has a lot to do with the Princess Syndrome.
At least in America, virtually all women artificially add 3-4 points or so to their actual value, daddy told her she’s a Princess, mommy told her she deserves nothing less than a multi-billionaire Brad Pitt, Oprah told her she’s a Goddess.
LikeLike
When you analyze couples in LTRs/marriages, it’s noticeable how unsatisfied the woman is until she has a daughter. So irrespective to the man she chooses, there will always be an air of happiness or frustration depending on the outcome. This is also true in her differing emotions when she talks about the daughter or son.
But once again, this illustrates how men cannot rely on their looks. In addition, another link below:
http://www.vinaywcmd.com/2013/11/why-men-should-never-rely-on-their-looks.html
LikeLike
Red pill from 1906 lol
LikeLike
Oh I did not know that metrosexuals existed in 1906
Could anybody find some journals about hipsters from belle epoque?
LikeLike
In terms of furthering your genes through the ages it would be better to have sexy sons than sexy daughters. This is because a man can spread his genes far and wide while a woman needs to gestate her offspring. Therefore from a purely logical viewpoint it would make sense to favor manly sexy sons over feminine sexy daughters.
LikeLike
Lololozozoz. Hey CH, it’s the opposite situation in the USMC. There women’s abilities (or lack thereof ) don’t matter as much as men’s abilities!!! Yin and yang?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2014/01/marines-delay-female-fitness-test-after-half-fail-to-complete-three-pullups.html
Lolozozozozozoz.
LikeLike
CH, I think you dropped the ball on this one. I’m too lazy to google it but you have posted before about this phenomenon — beta dads sire sexy, feminine daughters, while alpha cads sire manly, alpha sons. It’s in the interest of a woman to mate with both provider betas long term and alpha males short term in order to beget both.
Do you even read your own material?
LikeLike
No. Beta != feminine facial features.
LikeLike
I wonder how this would pan out if women’s inherently duplicitous mating strategy, i.e. cuckholdery, was given no leash (as is feminism’s end goal); meaning the difference between the children born via short- vs. long-term mate selection
LikeLike
I just don’t see the point of a repetitive post like this (the self-conscious title says it all: “More…”). It’s obvious you didn’t have anything better to post at the moment, then why post at all?
The larger point is that this whole “alpha” outlook is entirely subjective: I view you as beta for writing this post. Though you wouldn’t concede.
LikeLike
This article explains a lot. With welfare and the baby momma thing the only blue pill man that can gina tingle a ghetto freak is super masculine thug. With the 35 year old grandmother thing going it doesn’t take long (inside of one lifetime) to see the change in the feminine appearance of ghetto black women.
This is a very interesting article and rates very high
LikeLike
[…] CH is not prepared to call this study the final word on the subject of male looks and its apportione… […]
LikeLike
I have been reading this blog for a while and thinking about the net of this approach.
Bottom line, anyone who follows this approach is settling for the middle, less downside, and very little upside.
What is the potential upside?: a truly authentic lifetime relationship with children that is free from games, manipulation, etc., ultimately, true love (not romantic love BS), mutual support, authenticity and a higher level of awareness. The only way to achieve this is through true self-awareness by the male and female in the relationship, including awareness of some of the “truths” propounded herein, and self-modulation of them by both partners. It is rare and hard but much better than this gamesmanship. The approach advocated on this blog doesn’t prepare men to be good fathers, quite the opposite.
The downside is failure in trying to achieve the ultimate goal noted above, though that goal is achievable.
However, the “rules” identified here are essentially prison rules; and if you play by these rules, you are relegating yourself to a prison of sorts — meaning you are foreclosing living in a more civilized and satisfying realm.
Human nature always has bad and good. I don’t deny that the parts of human nature identified in this blog, but there are many aspects to human nature that need to be controlled by overt choices of society and individuals through self-awareness and self-control.
This “game” is good for those who don’t want to be good fathers and for those who don’t want to achieve an authentic and truly satisfying relationship. Perhaps the participants in this game are too afraid that they can’t control or handle the true nature of woman without games. I personally don’t have to live with the “hypergamy” or other things identified in this blog because I don’t put up with them any more than I put up with other negative aspects of human nature inherent in all of us.
At the end, I conclude that this game is for cowards who can’t handle women for what they are, good and bad, and therefore settle for playing by prison rules and living a lesser life.
I pity your children, especially your daughters, both pretty and ugly.
LikeLike
This comment borders on nonsense. Who ever said that game was a ‘how to be a great dad’ prep course? Being a good parent is completely separate from getting laid.
Following those rules is meant to help secure attraction from the opposite sex. Nothing more, nothing less. They have nothing to do with how to raise a child.
LikeLike
You miss the point — playing that game undermines your future life as a parent and spouse. It is base and weak behavior, no better than cheating in school or paying for prostitutes, and a waste of valuable time in life.
You’re relationship with the opposite sex has EVERYTHING to being a good parent. I am not suggesting the flaw of this gamesmanship is it that it is oblique to good relationships or parenting, I am saying that engaging in this negatively affects future relationship and parenting abilities, both through wasting time and through hurting your own integrity in succumbing to base behavior.
I know you won’t get it and that it seems nonsense to you. Your inability to understand doesn’t make it nonsense. You guys act like “getting laid” is some huge accomplishment. BTW, If you need all that crap to make it happen, you’re doing it wrong. You’re also pursuing the wrong girls. Why not just hire prostitutes.
I am only telling you this for your own use to improve your own quality of life. If you want to buy your own BS, it is your life.
LikeLike
Ah, the call of the Beta Provider. I will accurately predict for you, right now, that you will find yourself (if you are not already there) tethered to a woman who will come to quietly loath you and who will withdraw sex and affection over time in your marriage. Especially once you have a couple of kids. You’ll grow daily frustrated, secretly hitting strip clubs at first until the bills become to big to hide, then resigning yourself to porn in a room at midnight when she’s snoring in the other room, bashing your mental fists on the table screaming to the world of inner anguish how unfair life is and how you just don’t deserve this!
If you don’t realize that many aspects of Game apply to marriage now, if you see it simply as “pick up and dump”, then you haven’t thought it through or investigated entirely. CH has a decent site as far as it goes, but there are other Game sites out there (rational male comes to mind) who have married men and who apply Game still in marriage, in a slightly (but not much) modified form. What lies underneath the female psyche regarding attraction and reaction to men never changes, it is written in stone in women’s DNA, and it is the downfall of men that they forget this and go all soft beta. But hey, at least you can be a good paycheque….er…father to your kids as you are dragged from soccer game to soccer game to sit staring into the horizons while the soccer moms chatter and you brood about yet another sexless weekend and try to erase the nagging thoughts of the neighbor’s seventeen year old daughter you saw out washing her car yesterday. Some kind of fatherhood to look forward to, isn’t it?
Being a father means setting an example of manliness, first and foremost, for all members of the family, including the wife, including the kids. There is nothing negative about this particular topic (how women value certain aspects of looks or do not value them), so I wonder where your negativity comes from.
LikeLike
Ha ha. Now we are in a position to have a real conversation. When I tell you the reality of my life, wife and relationship, and I will be fully truthful, you will see how terribly far off you are and perhaps you will see the better alternative that is available to being neither a beta or PUA.
I am at my daughter’s basketball game so I can’t respond right now, but I will later when I get free. For now, let’s just say the picture you have painted would be hard pressed to be more inaccurate.
LikeLike
How the fuck is it base and weak behavior?
It’s disciplined, controlled behavior. Do you think that it’s easy to “give a woman only 2/3rds of what she gives you?” I can sniff out the pretenders on this site easily — the ones who honestly don’t give a shit about the women they’re with are dumpster diving.
The ones who are slogging it out and becoming better men are having a tough time controlling themselves. They are changing for the better. They are learning to feel without losing control of expression.
You confuse this control with disregard.
Further, you somehow equate the ability to gain experience with the opposite sex with “wasting time and…hurting your own integrity.” Also ridiculous. The more women you experience, the more you know what to look for. Who’s a slut? Who’s loyal? Who’s a liar? Who’s honest to a fault?
Getting laid is a huge accomplishment for most men — most men simply do not (nor have they ever) have many opportunities for sex with new partners. That is reality. There is a reason that, historically, only 40% of men have reproduced. Men must take risks, men must take chances, and ultimately, men must make themselves expendable. This behavior comes from the fact that getting laid, for the majority of men, is “a thing.”
If you “need all that crap to make it happen,” you’re going to secure the best possible mate for yourself. For some reason you believe that “game” only works on the “wrong” girls. The party-hardy club girls, though receptive to game, are the most looks-focused ones. Your “normal” good girls are even MORE receptive to game, because they are less looks-focused.
What we have here is disciplined behavior, coupled with experience. For some reason you believe that these two traits make for a worse parent? Get outta here.
LikeLike
This site, which you have supposedly been reading for a while, is not your normal PUA game site. It is something else. That is why there is so much talk about politics and philosophy. This is a place where men raised in the nihilist culture, trained to discard all authority, tradition, taboos, and morality, have carried out to the fullest extent their nihilist teachings. We have discarded all morality, and left our liberal/leftist/feminist teachers wondering, “What have I created?” Well- we hope to make them wonder at their own complicity, eventually, but until then we must attack their antisouls viciously. We are the monsters they have created, and we are trying to figure out if there is a way out of the nihilism. One way to start the change from nothing to something is to feel alive, and almost every man can relate with the desire to reproduce- and that desire is here used as a catalyst to resurrect the dead.
No, you won’t become a good man or father reading here. This is where the awakening begins, where the questions are asked, and solutions half-heartedly considered. The real solutions come from GBFM. lolzlzolzolzlzlzl
LikeLike
I appreciate and understand this sentiment. My question is can you recover from the casting aside of your morals, in rebellion against the absurdities you mention, and become moral and virtuous again as you were meant to be, or are you ruined forever?
LikeLike
That depends on what color you are.
Dooteronomy CH 28
verses 15 – 68
LikeLike
I’d like it if women found my father attractive. Also, I wouldn’t want him to be a wimp.
LikeLike
Actually, you miss the point. The Average Joe hasn’t many options beyond the following (in order):
• invisibility
• sloppy 63rd’s
• being settled for by some woman who is pining for that real man she wants
And then finally:
• getting divorce-raped as she moves on to another man
…or…
• living in a sexless marriage with a fat ungrateful slob who despises him while he picks up all the bills
Note: cheating on the hubby is common (many guys here are the ones that the wife cheats with) and bringing up another mans child is also common. Whether as a result of being cheated on or because she had a “mistake” in her youth and baby-daddy didn’t want to hang around the whore.
This site is for Average Joes who want to become above-Average Joes, improve themselves, get laid, etc etc. If they want children it will not be with the average Ameriskank (or Westernskank) woman. They’re shit and it’s better to either expat or go looking for a surrogate mother to give birth to his children.
You coming in all sanctimonious with your “great family life” and “you’re doing it all wrong for long-term family/parent stuff” is irrelevant to the Average Joe who comes in here. So your sad sack-of-shit shaming-attempt and trolling is not helping the narrative in the slightest. You should go necklace yourself, it’d be more useful – just wait for me to get some marshmallows first.
@Earl – I like your ideas re nihilism. Now we need to bring on the anarchy.
LikeLike
Kiss my pimple-ridden ass condescension-boy. Zhyd libtard, I presume?
LikeLike
Very bad presumption — I am quite conservative, anti-feminazi, pretty traditional. I view liberalism as a pathological state. You have no idea where I am coming from. The confident presumptions of my life and outlook — presumptions that are profoundly incorrect — should be an alarm going off for you that your confidence in the operating principles of “game” being a healthy or productive approach to life, dating and mating are equally inaccurate.
I am not trying to be condescending, though I can see that I have been. That’s because I think you guys are having the wrong reaction to legitimate concerns driving the current state of male-female dynamics and relationships, which have a malignant strain based on several fucked up brands of feminism. The path you are following is one of warfare, in a war not worth fighting. Fuck the ones with that mindset, they are their own worst enemies, and they are the ones that will suffer.
Ignore them, spend your time elsewhere as there are plenty of people that you don’t have to game, and you lose by playing it because you will lose track of who you really are and want to be.
LikeLike
I understood everything you were trying to say, and agree with you, especially on the “gain the world, lose your soul” aspect of treating “game” like it’s as important as faith in something bigger than ourselves.
Some of the people berating you are merely instinctively circling the wagons, as it were… often seen on internet forums, where anything but total agreement is viewed as an affront.
Others, well… they are morally-clueless, wet-behind-the-ears self-styled Lochinvars of the slut scene… raised on Comedy Central, nearly bereft of any shot at overcoming the limits of their mischling genetics.
LikeLike
Thanks for your understanding.
There is no question that the people here are grappling with real and serious problems and questions, and I sympathize.
I am probably a generation older than many here, in my mid 50’s. I am still on my first, and hopefully only marriage, which has been mutually very successful for us, but certainly not easy at times.
We both have very high standards. I have never been the kind of pushover that many have described as betas here. My wife has tried to pull some of the victim, woe is me stuff along the way, and I have called major BS. She has had some real BS to call on me from time to time too. We don’t “loathe” each other, and still have a lot of high-quality sex (as much as 20 year-olds may not want to think about 50 year-olds). We both know we could easily be physically or emotionally attracted to other people, and we simply don’t act on that other than to be real about that potential existing and agreeing to not act on it.
As you get older, you realize that you need really deep, authentic, and substantive relationships to deal with the stuff life deals out, death of parents and friends, health problems with kids, health life scares and worries, etc.
We have had to cross that divide on how to be totally there for each other and reliable, without being taken for granted. It is much better that we have acknowledged that the security of being committed, faithful and reliable to each other has the potential to trigger complacency, and loss of the competitive drive potential in each our natures. We have dealt with that overtly, rather than gaming each other.
I think that what many are dealing with here is where feminism tries to give agency without responsibility, thereby trying to enjoy the benefits of a hard-earned civil society while eschewing the virtues that such a society requires of both genders.
Some feminism arose rightfully when the patriarchal set-up, founded upon virtuous behavior of both genders, became eroded. The patriarchal set up provided a certain power to men, that some men eventually abused, wanting to have all the benefits without exercising their requisite virtues upon which their privileges were based.
The answer then was better to demand adherence to the virtues by men, rather than to encourage women to eschew virtue as well, which has been the main thrust and effect of radical feminism (a subset of larger liberal pathologies).
My concern with the PUA mindset, is that it too eschews virtue and perpetuates the cycle. The elimination of virtue is not going to end well for anybody.
The question is — how can men take on responsibility, manliness and virtue without being chumps? So far it has worked in my life, though I guess it is possible my wife could still screw me later, though I don’t think she will.
I think it may be harder for the next generation because the number of women who have been befouled by faulty feminist ideology is much greater in the millennials.
Look, men and women both have a wide range of potentials inherent in our natures. Civil society is all about taming those negative potentials through virtue which has benefits that outweigh the psychological cost of reining in those negative impulses. We can’t be repulsed and give up because those potentials exist, or we will have increasing mayhem.
Men have to get over the fact that healthy women are attracted to healthy attractive males and actually like to fuck as much as we do in the right circumstances, and that drive exists even within a committed relationship. Hell, I’d still like to hit every decent piece I see, and I certainly could still get some decent stuff for myself. So could my wife who is a former Olympic athlete, trim, shapely, feminine and fair of face. She could get as much dick as I could pussy, if we went that way. But we don’t go that way because we agree that a lifelong committed marriage — focused on loving and raising our kids, loving and taking care of each other as we each have our challenges, and being able to be ourselves (in a decent way) without having to play mind games — is much better than any of the alternatives.
When you have children, virtue seems paramount in having the world operate in a way such that you feel like your children can have decent lives.
LikeLike
I appreciate your understanding. I posted a longer reply which may have gotten lost. I can’t really redo it now, I am hoping ch can find it.
LikeLike
If one thing is missing in the manosphere, it is more appreciation for the family.
Keep in mind, though, that this is because the origin of the manosphere was simply how to help frustrated guys compete in the modern dating scene, where the best way to act comes natural only to a few. Most ordinary guys would be stuck with whatever girl deigned give them a smile, often in their thirties when the hottest girls had finished their partying with the cool guys, and then the guys spent years wishing they could get someone better. Or that they could have learned some of what they know about dating sooner in life. The manosphere says, okay, we’ll help those who want help in this area.
And of course it is also for the fun of it, this insight into how to shape up your game and date without sounding like a fawning kid. Heck, if a guy is a good person who treats himself and others right, why shouldn’t he deserve some sex with the sexy women? Why should the greatest success be left only to the cads on the dance floor, simply because they know how to send out exciting vibes?
This doesn’t automatically exclude a pro-family thinking. Actually, people in manosphere forums and blogs will often say, “We just give you the knowledge, how you use it is up to you. If you want to date and have sex with several women this year, or whether you want to find that one girl, or do the first until you can do the second, that’s entirely your choice.”
But inevitably it is more fun to talk about dating than family life. Family life is a whole other chapter, and, let’s face it, not as fascinating to discuss as dating, even though it can be very satisfying to live it.
And inevitably there will also be some bitterness when thinking about family life, especially when testimonies pile up from guys who have been robbed in divorces. And they are really robbed. Forced to hand over half their paychecks, for years, to someone they’re not even married to any longer. So they warn people.
This is picked up by the notorious losers who can’t get a wife, and can’t get a girlfriend or a date either. Unfortunately they have a lot of time on their hands, and many of them spend that time in the manosphere.
It is easy to forget all this and start believing that the manosphere is inherently hostile to marriage and family.
LikeLike
“The reasoning sounds solid; women who are attracted to masculine-looking men run the risk of having ugly, manjawed daughters by them”
Any evidence of this?
Oh, right. Better luck in “services industries”.
LikeLike
Is this not wonderful?
Is not the wymin’s liberation glorious?
What’s that you say, Scweinehund rapist?
LikeLike
Yep. I’m super old fashioned. I feel like if you display good character, accomplish something worthy, and refuse to be a chump, things will work out fine with chicks and otherwise, putting aside sickness, tragedies, criminals and random evil.
LikeLike
Teens again. http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/03/3850536/miami-police-seek-help-in-nabbing.html
LikeLike
Doesn’t Donald Trump kind of prove that men’s looks don’t matter as much? Imagine a rich woman with that hair thing going on.
LikeLike
Donald Trump proves that women love money.
With that kind of moolah involved, he could be an 80-something cross-eyed, hunchbacked, bald dwarf and still get 19-year old Swedish swimsuit models.
An equally rich woman, on the other hand, would be stuck with creepazoid gigolos of the worst sort, because it takes a very special kind of asswipe to go after women exclusively for their money.
LikeLike
Who thought women automatically liked masculine faces? Women have longed not been impressed by John Wayne’s looks rather men were. It’s akin to women who have long said they want guys strong and in good shape but not roided monsters. Just as women are wont to say “what’s that woman I got that I don’t?” making it clear straight women don’t understand what makes a woman appealing to a man so too do straight men haven’t a clue as to what makes a man handsome to a woman.
LikeLike
Jon Bon Jovi. As far as we know (and I understand that we might not know everything), he married his high school sweetheart while having a career that brought him all over the globe to play his music for hundreds of thousands of screaming women. The man is rich beyond belief and has access literally the world over. From what I understand he was not promiscuous. There are rock stars with 5% of his fame, 10% of his looks, and .1% of his wealth who have claimed to have sex with upwards of 2-3 groupies…a day. Bon Jovi was at least formerly Catholic…
LikeLike
Did I have a comment go into moderation or limbo? I posted one to Eliot this morn and it is lost and when I tried to repost, it said duplicate.
LikeLike
what color are you?
LikeLike
what’s your favorite tree?
LikeLike
Guess.
Hint: My black friends call me honky, bitch-ass, redneck, cracker-headed motherfucker.
LikeLike
Oh yeah, I forgot, my favorite tree is the pussy tree — particularly thriving in Europe, Canada and the USA.
LikeLike
Comments often fail to appear. But they show up a day or two later.
LikeLike
And it is almost always long comments that fail to appear. So if you want people to see what you write, make it short and shallow with few facts, like Twitter posts.
LikeLike
Thanks — it was a longish post.
LikeLike
This is one of the dumbest posts on this site.
Women don’t find masculine faces attractive.
They find “pretty boys” attractive
And there is a DEFINITE correlation between being a pretty boy and getting a lot of ass.
Theres a reason why majority of women don’t find bodybuilders attractive
Girls want slightly feminine looking guys like the vampires in Twilight
LikeLike
GS you female?
LikeLike
I think male baldness deserves its own post from heartiste. As a balding man myself, it is very peculiar how one 8 could find it to be neutral, perhaps even attractive, yet another 6 could find any hint of baldness to be a complete disqualifier. It’s weird because I can’t find any common variable with the women who are so repulsed by it. Baldness is really the only male physical feature I can think of that is like this. A high status bald man could easily date a model 10, yet at the same time some average looking 6 would not even consider that same man as a mate.
LikeLike