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Desperate Male Of The Month

January 6, 2014 by CH

The desperate male is a subspecies of the beta male. His modus operandi can be summed up in three words:

Always be chasing.

His philosophy is a simple one, assembled from the cut scenes of a thousand rom coms where the persistent Lloyd Dobler gets the girl in the end. He adheres to the core belief that women reward men who lavish them with flattery and intense declarations of romantic fealty.

Sometimes, once or twice in a millennium, he succeeds. Most of the time, men like him fail to get the girl they want, and often accomplish the opposite of what they intended: they incite the wrath or contemptuous pity of their pedestaled love interests.

To celebrate the craven puling of the desperate, clingy ünterbeta male and his mule-headed refusal to see women for what they are, the sheiks of the shocker, the maestros of the magic fingerbang, your ever ‘umble viceroys of entice ploys, CH house lords will feature occasional exposés of the sorry males whose testosterone glow went out a long time ago.

Today’s entrant to the pantheon of pathetic is a Facebook chatterer and a reminder why women are evolved to instantly assume the proto-Heisman blocking maneuver whenever they’re in the company of strange men who carry the stink of the undersexed:

Cute girls are at risk of acquiring omega male stalkers if they don’t nip their amorous wooers in the bud. This is why women have at their disposal an arsenal of shit tests and social shaming tactics. The former for those men who haven’t yet been identified for their mate worthiness; the latter for those men who have been deemed unworthy but lack the social savvy to know when to retreat. We men may not particularly enjoy having to hurdle the roadblocks that women put up on the path to sweet loving bliss, but the better of us should understand why those hurdles are necessary to women, and devise ways to circumvent them.

Besides the obvious if sick humor of it all, a couple of notable quotables jump out from the above one-sided exchange:

1. The guy violated just about every Poon Commandment. He quite spectacularly turned the Commandments on their heads. Commandment VIII took the worst beating; I half expected him to apologize for being born.

If you want to guarantee failure with women, read the Poon Commandments and do the opposite. This will ensure failure better than wearing a placard in public declaring your infidelity, buying flowers on the first date, or getting convicted of pedophilia.

2. As if we entered some bizarro universe where the sexual polarities are reversed, the girl replied in pictograms while the male wrote novellas airing his emotional laundry (and unused sperm-polluted mental health). Had the sexes been swapped in this exchange, I would be confident that these two were getting laid in the near future. But since the male has occupied the female role and the female the male role, there will be no sex.

3. Any man who thinks promising a woman that he “won’t take advantage of her” is the way to her heart is a power tool. Chivalry works in the abstract (specifically that abstract where unicorns are a possibility); in practice it’s an abysmal failure. A woman, if asked, will always say she wants a man “who respects her need to take it slow”, but in reality, where her words meet the unstoppable force of her tingles, a chivalrous gentleman’s pose is the equivalent of downselling: “Sure, this smartphone looks fast and functional, but it actually has parts made from Fisher Price toys. Try this cheapskate badboy clamshell over here instead.”

4. “Hows the pretty lady doin” could have worked as a funny opener if a parrot pictogram was appended to it, but midway through three weeks of unreciprocated Facebook self-immolation it’s the death warble of a man who’s forever been Pluto in women’s solar systems: A distant orbiter who barely qualifies as a space rock.

So here’s to you, “Hows the pretty lady doin” Man. Your travails are a life lesson in how not to act with women.

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  1. on January 6, 2014 at 2:37 pm what

    Gadzooks!

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 2:38 pm burke

      i just kept paging down and it just kept happening

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 2:42 pm Ryan Vann

        Like “Groundhog Day” with Bill Murray, but way more somber.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 5:31 pm El Bastardo

        For the love of god, a part of me I had not felt in over twenty years actually wanted to ask me to cuddle a teddy bear and cry for this douche-stain that should have been a blow job, and therefore escaped all this self-made misery.

        The wiser voices in my head told the inner pussy to shove it, and then proceeded to kill that long thought dead part of me for exposing it’s presence in case it started raping my minds eye with that encyclopedia britannica of betatude.

        As a men’s rights activist, I wanted that guy to commit suicide. His self-shaming went on for over a marathon, and several months??!

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:43 pm Zombie Shane

        Assuming this situation was real – and not fabricated – the dude was using some horribly bad-narrative anti-hypnotic verbiage with this word he kept using: “CHILL”.

        Chill means “cold”.

        Cold means “frigid”.

        Frigid means “no gina tinglez for her”, which, in turn, means no cave diving for the little fella tonight.

        You don’t ever want your spellbinding rhetoric to be planting an aura of frigidity in your bitch’s outlook on life.

        To the contrary, you want to be weaving imagery in her mind’s eye that will make her so damned hot that the wet spot passes right through her underwear and out into her blue jeans.

        Every little word that you speak to the bitch needs to be examined and measured and considered and re-considered and re-re-considered for its effectiveness.

        Discard all the bad-karma words.

        Hoard the “gina-tingle” words, to the exclusion of all other words.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:36 am Random Guy

        Holy crap. I keep wondering if this was a troll, but no, there really are omegas that lame…

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:42 pm corvinus

        I wonder how many Groundhog Days this guy would have had to have been trapped in to finally get it.

        According to the scriptwriter for the movie itself, it was 20,000 years.

        Somehow, for this guy, I think that would have been not far off the mark.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 3:13 pm ballsweatsoop

      Puh-leez. This guy is either my hero (in a very abstract sense), or he’s retarded (based on his near illiteracy).

      And the whore deserves every bit of it for not telling him to get lost …. AFTER THE FIRST MONTH OF MESSAGES.

      Sorry, but this is so ridiculous that I can’t even be serious about the general (pervasive) phenomenon.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:40 pm SFG

        I think he should be an hero.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:55 pm uncatchable

        and not in the abstract sense.

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  2. on January 6, 2014 at 2:38 pm Ryan Vann

    You should put a warning up before you include snuff material on your sight. Brutal, bro.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 2:47 pm burke

      you ain’t kidding. the image of that ‘chat’ is 8281 pixels high

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 5:38 pm Dr Caveman

      Yeah if it was a dog you’d put him to sleep by October….

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  3. on January 6, 2014 at 2:39 pm FuriousFerret

    Nice Lloyd Christmas reference.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm Rick Derris

      It was actually for “Lloyd Dobler,” the John Cusack character from the “Say Anything” Cameron Crowe movie from the 1980s.

      But the Lloyd Christmas comparison is still very appropriate for this situation.

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  4. on January 6, 2014 at 2:39 pm yeahokcool

    hahaha. there are so many guys out there like this. incredible, but true.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 2:45 pm Amy

      Yes, but this guy is extreme. Stalker potential.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 2:56 pm Grim

        when are you going to show us your legs and ass?

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:20 pm Amy

        Just like that? Don’t I at least get a bag of Skittles?

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:51 pm Mob Barley

        Maybe next time you’re in my area I can buy you a bag of Skittles. Sorry if I bothered you by asking. And we could totally chill and eat skittles.
        ASS AND LEGS. NOW. GRIM ASKED FOR IT.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:43 pm corvinus

        Buy her skittles? Why not just give her a bag that one of your buddies doesn’t want?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:47 am Zombie Shane

        Good God, whatever happened to chivalry?

        Hell, I’m so Old School that I’d even open the door for her on a date.

        Sigh…

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 6:09 am Kate

        No woman no cry

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:19 am Mob Barley

        Kate learn your Rasta patois.

        The title and main refrain, “No Woman, No Cry” is rendered “No, woman, nuh cry” in Jamaican Patois. The “nuh” is pronounced with a short schwa vowel (a “mumbled” vowel, often represented as “uh” in spelling) and represents a clitic (“weakened”) form of “no”. It is the equivalent to the contraction “don’t”. The song is about growing up in the ghetto and persuading a woman that things will get better, entreating her not to cry. – wikipedia

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:38 am Zombie Shane

        I like it better as, “Unless you make your woman cry, then she’ll leave your sorry Beta ass for an Alpha who will make her cry.”

        And I would guess that Kate probably meant, “No woman in your life means no headaches 4u.”

        Although it also means no poontang.

        And no children.

        No progeny.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:27 pm corvinus

        Good God, whatever happened to chivalry?

        Chivalry is for ladies, and ladies are rare nowadays. There’s a famous Bible quote about not casting your pearls before swine.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:35 am Grim

        Srsly just give it up. Change ur pic to one of your ass and legs from behind (wear skirt and heels).

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 10:26 am GunsofApollo

        I agree with Amy. The guy reminds me of the well meaning but clueless friend everybody had in high school with no self awareness.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:38 am Svetlana Svetlana

        You are strong American man. Will you date me? I am good Russian girl, almost no abortion.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:41 am Greg Eliot

        I’ll put you in the queue… right after I’m done with my other Russian babe, Tara Titzoff.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:28 pm corvinus

        If you’ve had any abortions at all, you’re not a good girl.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:55 pm Jay in DC

        If you are strong on plow and your vageen doesn’t look like sleeve of a wizard… maybe.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:19 pm everybodyhatesscott

        Women are clueless to which men are actually dangerous. The guys clueless but if she would have responded “Thanks but I’m not interested” after the third message, the whole thing probably could have been avoided.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm Amy

        Not necessarily. That might be how *you* would react, but you wouldn’t act like this guy in the first place. I’ve been on the receiving end of this kind of guy and being direct doesn’t work the way you’d think it would.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm tang3zang

        But how would you know if you never even try to tell him?

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm Amy

        @tang. You don’t know until you try. I’m just saying that being direct like “thanks I’m not interested” doesn’t always deter these guys. To them it’s an opener for more contact. To save feelings I usually say I have a boyfriend, even if not true. Even that doesn’t always work. It’s an opener to keep chatting and be friends.

        Again, I’m talking about these creeper guys. Not what you or anyone here would do… most guys will get the hint right away and you don’t have to say anything at all.

        I have a guy like this bugging me right now. He is only one-tenth as bad as this guy but whatever I say makes it worse, so I say nothing. I do blame this chick for the snarky pics though. She is toying with him/laughing at him there. Not cool.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:45 pm corvinus

        Do what I did with a girl that I wasn’t interested in: just tell him straight out that you’re not interested in him and should find someone else. Brace for a few irate messages, but at least he should get the idea. One would hope.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:48 pm YaReally

        “To them it’s an opener for more contact.”

        Yep. It’s like I told walawala about his girl he’s trying to Soft Next: “any news is good news”. ANY reaction is better than no reaction and guys like this will take it as a sign that there’s a chance.

        I always talk to girls about other guys and they send/show me similar screenshots to this from txt convos with Orbiter losers chasing them. The girl will send the guy a one-word reply every 10 messages and that word is just like “huh?” and the guy launches into another wave of txts thinking he’s making progress.

        On the one hand the girl is to blame for not snuffing it out right away and often accepting the guy’s gifts/favors when they’re useful, but on the other hand the guy is more to blame for 1) offering her a bunch of free shit in the first place, and 2) not calibrating to the girl not being interested and backing off her instead of making it extremely difficult/uncomfortable for her to say go away.

        I don’t blame girls as much for taking advantage of it because they’re just reacting to what he’s throwing out. If some fat chick offered me a free steak dinner or a vacation to Paris all expenses paid, I would probably take it lol

        Also guys like this are why I post. The more men who learn about the red pill and learn game early in life or teach their sons early in life, the better. Imagine if his kid was your SON, because you weren’t aware of the red pill and you helped socially condition him into this behavior like the rest of the world will try to. Scary shit.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 6:59 am Zombie Shane

        Dadgummit, YaReally, look at what you just wrote, man!

        Why waste all that time?

        Life is too short.

        DAY GAME FTW.

        Get out there in the broad daylight and meet the bitches in the flesh and blood and let them look you in the eye and see how square your chin is and how broad your shoulders are and how deep your voice is.

        Let them SMELL you.

        Let your physical presence get their ginas all tinglinzzzing.

        In fact, let’s be even more blunt about it: TRUE ALPHAS DON’T CARRY CELL PHONES.

        True Alphas go about their day thinking their own thoughts.

        True Alphas don’t want to be bothered with other peoples’ horseshit.

        If you even carry a cellphone, then the most you can ever aspire for in life is Greater Beta.

        The True AMOG has a Greater Beta assistant to answer the damned phone for him.

        “Oh, is it that bitch harassing me again? Text her ass that GIF of the cat with the birthday cake. And if she says anything more, then just reply with an ellipsis. It’ll drive her nuts.”

        “Uhh, boss, can I get your permission to do the cat-with-the-birthday-cake and the ellipsis on my girlfriend, too? Just like you? Uhh, please boss, please?”

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:39 am Random Guy

        Amy is right. My younger daughter was going through this. A male coworker would just would NOT take any kind of no for an answer. Finally, she did what I had told her Day 1 and stopped replying at all. Finally, he stopped…

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:48 pm GasButtox

        Amy,

        My buttox are about to generate searing, pulsating, steepling columns of gas…

        After that, you will…

        …..(wait for it, wait for it)….

        Detox my Buttox..

        -GB

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:35 pm Glengarry

        “But what did I do wrong??” It’s a trap lol

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:45 pm JB

        Right, because attractive guys are never stalkers, but desperate unattractive guys are usually stalkers.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:38 pm Glengarry

        If worst comes to worst, I try to follow the maxim “stalk ten other women”.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:55 pm Anon

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 5:38 pm El Bastardo

        Greatest, self-explained video on women’s double standards ever. Perfect at the end. I laughed so hard, everyone in the house thought I died. Showed it again, they are now dead. Time for a new wife, and friends and family. Thank you very much!

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm corvinus

        The impression I get is that women don’t like being hit on by gay guys.

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  5. on January 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm burke

    this reminds me, there’s a type of girl (fatherless, among other things) that becomes extremely promiscuous not so much by being actively slutty but by not having any defenses or ability to say no and potentially disappoint guys at all. i’ve know a few, they were never underhanded or so much ‘mean’, just totally unprepared for real life.

    anyway, this is the type of guy that those defenses are a necessity for. he’s completely clueless and yet persistent. he’s the one these go-along-to-get-along sluts use to try to get the attention of guys they want: “this guy keep asking me out, what should i do?” and even with the disgust they feel, they’ve generally already given it up because of their need for affirmation.

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  6. on January 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm anon

    That was quite painful to read.

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  7. on January 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm Longlostfriend

    I kept scrolling, thinking it had to be over soon. It didn’t.

    I almost felt sympathy for a chick that has to endure that persistent dripping. Almost. It’s her own fault for not nuking the guy after month one.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 3:03 pm Kate

      “I kept scrolling, thinking it had to be over soon. It didn’t.”

      I know!!! I do NOT feel sorry for the chick. There is NO need whatsoever for that kind of treatment. If you don’t want to be bothered by someone, you set up boundaries and nip things in the bud early. Its not hard, people!!! She enjoyed this or she wouldn’t have let it go on. Witch.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:22 pm JCclimber

        I also almost felt sorry for her, until realizing that it would be incredibly easy to stop the ‘sperging from this embarrasment to the male gender.

        I was waiting for him to apologize for having a dick, when I realized that he has a dick, but no testicles hanging underneath it.

        On the gripping hand, he’s going to get lucky more often than the male who never even gets a phone number or approaches women at all.

        But that was seriously painful to read/skim through. Because I think most of us when starting out may have apologized for bothering a girl when she put up her bitch shield. But within a few seconds we quickly realized that this is another excellent example of anti-game.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:06 pm Anonymous

        Nice Niven reference!

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 3:59 pm CH

        Some women do get off on stringing hapless omegas along, but often these women find that they’ve bit off more responsibility than they can chew. Then what happens is a stern, scared text a few weeks later when she realizes his attention has crept into stalker territory, and she feels compelled to neutralize the threat post-haste.

        So yes, she does deserve some of the blame here. I’d apportion the blame 20% woman, 80% man. Scientifically established, of course.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm Amy

        Do you think you should smudge his face? I’d hate to think he sees this. Or someone he knows sees it.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 6:16 am Knowbody

        No. He should be tarred and feathered for this pathetic display. Others need to know. This is repulsive. I’M repulsed! I would never stand next to a “man” like this in the trenches.

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      • on January 17, 2014 at 3:49 pm Newbie

        Amy!
        You’re hot as hell…

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      • on January 17, 2014 at 3:51 pm CH

        That’s the pull. Now… push.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:44 pm Zombie Shane

        Can’t you just “unfriend” these people, and block them so that they can’t even send you messages anymore?!?

        Or, if they can still send the outgoing messages, then at least the system could spit out some rude stern scary bounce-back warning message hinting that the FBI might get involved if they don’t back off?

        If not, then I claim all patent rights on it.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:51 pm Kate

        The thing is, it should never escalate this far. Dealing with people honestly and with dignity saves everyone a lot of heartache.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 5:10 pm BlackPoisonSoul

        She was stringing him along for the lulz factor with her girlfriends. Along the lines of:

        Chick 1: Hey, how’s that pathetic stalker guy that keeps harassing you?

        Her: Oh wow, here’s his latest creep-stuff! (shows to all and sundry)

        Chick 3, 4, 5: Holy shit, that is one creepy weirdo! Where do these guys come from?

        Her: I know, right!

        Chick 6: He probably has, like y’know, balls so blue that they’ve fallen off.

        All (laughing): I knoooowwww! (30 minutes of giggling and gossip transpires)

        Chick achievement unlocked: provides entertainment to all. Social standing changes: moves up social chain in popularity.

        She must have been knackered or having an off day to stop letting him dribble. Or more likely got bored.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:46 pm corvinus

        Yeah, the entertainment factor probably plays a role.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:56 pm ballsweatsoop

        To BlackPoisonSouls’s point about her using it for months of giggles with her other whore friends… I have to cleanse that image from my by picturing him sitting at the other end of the bar watching them giggle, and prepping to jump into his Ferrari with several Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:18 am Zombie Shane

        > “Chick achievement unlocked: provides entertainment to all. Social standing changes: moves up social chain in popularity.”

        You know, it’s scary* to think about it, but I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

        It would be the perfect explanation for why she would NOT do the obvious straightforward logical** thing and simply unfriend him [assuming that that’s how you get rid of people on PhariseeBook – I dunno – I’ve never used it].

        Kinda like a cat playing with a mouse just for the sheer sadistic pleasure of watching the mouse writhing in pain before eating it.

        And then she sends him that final nasty hateful “bug-off you creep” message because eventually she got around to having her period and the accompanying migraine headaches and the sadistic joke just wasn’t funny anymore and she wanted to kill him off once and for all in a fit of hormone-driven rage.

        *PS: Is “Scray” called Scray because he mis-spelled “Scary”?

        **PPS: The other “logical” possibility is that, as a female, figuring out how to unfriend someone was just “TOO HARD WAH WAH WAH – IT’S LIKE MATH – AND I HATE MATH WAH WAH WAH!!!” and she was too lazy to RTFM.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:50 pm haunted trilobite

        a voice of reason at last. but of course certain types ❤ the drama!!! seriously u guys this guy's a real kweeper. no, I mean 4 real. he's all like blowin up my phone and I just want all the attention I justattention in this moment to be centred on me.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 4:54 am Ballomar

        “You blocked me on facebook and now you’re going to die”

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:17 pm Scray

        /confirmed.

        Girls LOVE to mock and make fun of all the low-value dudes that hit on them. Big source of ego for them. Even to the point where you may think to yourself “doesn’t even sound like he was hitting on you…”

        That’s how extreme it is lol.

        That’s why you really just can’t give any fucks.

        Also……….
        ….
        ….

        You can make complete beta tool game work for you….if you are lying.

        Liiiiike, you can totally break all the game rules — buy her a drink, talk about commitment, kiss her ass, etc —- and so she starts to ‘game’ you. Then, when she breaks you off a piece….just fucking jet lol. The jetting is just temporary….pretty soon she will chase you, and you will be alpha. And you can come around and bone her whenever you want.

        It’s like, bait-and-switch. Ethical concerns, here.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:54 pm Mob Barley

        not bad. you shoulda lived in a different era, would’ve made a good war general

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 2:51 am Scray

        I feel like this could be the darkside to PUA, tho. Just, the lying.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 6:21 am Knowbody

        LOL for real? I lie regularly..in PUA you have to, the negs, the side chicks, etc

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:56 am Amy

        I’ve been reading this blog for months and I don’t see any recommendations that guys outright lie about whether they’re looking for a RL or whether they’re monogamous. Those are big lies. Manipulation, negs, etc are not the same thing.

        Guys who straight-up lie to relationship-quality girls about commitment and monogamy so they can F&C them are officially part of the problem. They shouldn’t bitch about misandry and the lack any of nice girls left.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:58 am Anonymous

        those aren’t serious lies tho. I mean, like……..world-shattering lies.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:04 pm Knowbody

        Talking about commitmeent and kissing ass to a girl you just meet isn’t world shattering either so I still wouldn’t see it as the “dark side of PUA.” Dark side of PUA would be pulling shit like George Zimmerman JUST to pick up chicks….or go full Charles Manson

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 1:51 am Gro Haila

        The pseudo-beta

        Sounds like an advanced tactic. Not for the beginner who has to fake it till he makes it, for sure

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:48 pm anon

        She probably let it go so long out of morbid curiosity to see how long it would continue.
        This is the equivalent of hanging up on someone without speaking and they continue to call. Not her fault. Why should she have to actually tell him she’s not interested when she’s showing him already by saying nothing?

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm Amy

      Nuking how? With this type of guy, telling him flat out that you’re not interested doesn’t work. He wants to know why not, etc. If you tell him you have a boyfriend he’ll still hit you up periodically to see if you’re available.

      She’d have to block him. Even that’s tricky if you see him out or have mutual friends. This guy’s creep quotient is so high that I personally wouldn’t want to tick him off if there was a possibility I might see him offline somewhere.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm Anonymous

        Why not have one of her badass dood friends beat the piss out of him in front of everyone?
        A public service would be accomplished. Especially for said stalker.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:49 pm Greg Eliot

        She asked me to… but even I have to draw the line somewhere on the old ultraviolence.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 6:41 pm Anonymous

        He’d thank you for it later

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 2:51 pm Jay in DC

        Especially in this situation… there is a time and a place and this is neither.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:43 pm Anonymous

        She should have one of her tougher male orbiters bootfuck stalker chump publicly. Tingles for girl, adrenalin for the guy and a lesson for the stalker. Win, win, win!

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:47 pm Kate

        His creep quotient is higher to you because you’re way, way, way out of his league:) I just think he’s kind of harmless and needs a little help.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:09 pm Starets

        The point is, she never even tried to stop it, until the end.

        It does look like she was letting it carry on for the lulz, letting the poor halfwit make a spectacle of himself.

        Its the sexual market-place equivalent of making fun of Downs Syndrome kids, and is something that we have all seen chicks do.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:19 pm Amy

        Jesus wept. The Aspergers is strong in this thread. No, the point is that sometimes ignoring the guy IS the girl trying to stop it. Because we have learned that being DIRECT doesn’t work. Do you really think this dude is going to respond to any normal social cue? These guys are NOT like normal men and they don’t respond normally. I’d bet money he doesn’t even stop messaging her now.

        Since I’m guessing most of you have less experience with these guys than I do, let me give you an overview of what “direct” can get you:

        Girl: Thanks but I’m not interested.
        Creep: Why not? Do you even remember meeting me? Can’t we just meet up for a drink? What, u don’t like short guys? lol

        (later that day)

        Creep: What no response? Lol ur cold.

        (later)

        Creep: Hows ur day going princess?
        —

        Girl: Thanks but I have a boyfriend.
        Creep: Ok. We could be friends tho. What are u up to this weekend? X is playing at Y bar, u going?

        (week later)

        Creep: Hey Amy just checking to see what ur up to. Still have a bf?? (rinse and repeat every few days)
        —

        Girl: Why do you keep texting me? I told you I’m not interested/IHAB.
        Creep: Sorry if I bothered u. Are u mad? Just thought we could hang out as friends. How’s your day going?

        (two days later)

        Creep: Hey Amy whats up. Are u still mad?
        —

        These are real examples. Can you see why ignoring these guys and hoping they just go away seems like a good option? ANY response at all, even direct rejection, ends up encouraging them. I said before this chick shouldn’t have played games with the emojis later on, it was mocking and it egged him on. Otherwise what she did isn’t as mean as you think. It’s a legitimate strategy to get rid of bugs.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:29 pm Matthew King

        Since I’m guessing most of you have less experience with [stalkers] than I do…

        Guess again.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 12:00 am YaReally

        Greg doesn’t count, Matt.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 11:27 am Matthew King

        How do you handle clingers?

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 11:55 am Greg Eliot

        You should talk, Yareally… if you stopped short, there are several wannabe PUAs on this site whose noses would be severely browned, if not broken altogether.

        lozozllzozozlzlzozolzlzlzl

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:54 am Matthew King

        Nuking how? With this type of guy, telling him flat out that you’re not interested doesn’t work. He wants to know why not, etc. If you tell him you have a boyfriend he’ll still hit you up periodically to see if you’re available.

        That you are so baffled is yet more evidence women have no business determining who is suitable for their own courtship.

        You don’t know how to take care of a fidgety puppy at arms length on social media? Then what possible use could you be when up-close-and-personal with a man who knows just what buttons to push?

        That said, the FB exchange is fishy. It looks like a deliberate routine. Note the verbiage on the bottom, which indicates that he was blocked and therefore the publication must have come from his own account.

        Savors of this fellow, “Mike Partlow,” the most sublime troll in the history of mankind, even before social media:

        http://www.dontevenreply.com/

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:21 pm Amy

        Lol, Matt. Yes, I do know how to “take care of a fidgety puppy at arms length on social media.” I IGNORE him. As opposed to “nuking” him with an insulting rejection like everyone is recommending… which he will then take as a sign to keep going. Or better yet, it provoke him into stalking me on FB, showing up at places I go to and doing drive-bys past my apartment. Yea, it happens.

        I’m glad YaReally showed up, I knew he would get it bc he has female friends. The bottom line is that there are weirdos out there that don’t respond to the same social cues the rest of you would! Ignoring them is often the best way.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm Matthew King

        Kate was closer to the mark when she said, “I just think he’s kind of harmless and needs a little help.”

        Whereas you, with an imaginary assist from YaReally, think an annoying pest can easily become desperate and dangerous.

        What you are missing is your own role in this perpetuating the drama. The idea that you can use a stalker’s attention to flatter yourself among friends elevates your apparent desirability and prevents you from handling him effectively or kindly. The behavior you praise in YaReally is a beta-orbiter’s/bitchboy’s attempt to inflate a girl’s ego by laughing at the kid with you.

        “The bottom line is that” there are not all that many weirdos out there, but you flatter yourself to imagine you are hot enough to inspire a man to act abnormally.

        State’s evidence “A”: You cannot even detect the high probability that the exchange is a goof on the girl.

        Matt

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 9:22 pm Amy

        “What you are missing is your own role in this perpetuating the drama. The idea that you can use a stalker’s attention to flatter yourself among friends elevates your apparent desirability and prevents you from handling him effectively or kindly.”

        Please. Matt, do you really think persistent attention from a guy like this is flattering? Are you flattered when an obese drunk girl hits on you? And if you’re not flattered if an obese drunk girl hits on you (as you probably aren’t), does that prevent you from being kind or handling her effectively? No of course it doesn’t.

        You can’t let go of your certainty that I’d be ignoring this guy just so I could laugh with my friends. Sorry, but that’s wrong. We’ve got funnier things to laugh about and hotter guys to think about, and I’m not into cruelty. No, I’d be ignoring him because that’s the best way to handle it. Something I’ve learned by actually being on the receiving end of stubbornly persistent creeps.

        The probability that this guy was goofing around for show is slim to none. I know you won’t believe it from a girl, so just ask yourself why CH wouldn’t have mentioned that possibility in the original post…. if in fact it actually was a possibility.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 12:17 am YaReally

        @Matt

        “The behavior you praise in YaReally is a beta-orbiter’s/bitchboy’s attempt to inflate a girl’s ego by laughing at the kid with you.”

        You’re the one trying to fuck the girls in CH’s comment section, not me. And your attempts at it look a lot to me like this kid’s attempts look to everyone lol shit is painful to read.

        Hang out with legit hot girls and you’ll get to see what kind of bullshit creepers they have to deal with. Like Amy says it’s not the equivalent of you getting attention from a hot girl, it’s the equivalent of a relentless fat slobby man-jaw chasing you around refusing to give up or take no for an answer. It can escalate to the point where her only options are filing a restraining order which feels like overkill and a hassle, or seriously obliterate him with a brutal ream-out (which might not even work) where she’s forced to feel like a shitty person…meanwhile she doesn’t WANT to have to do that and didn’t ask for it, she was forced into it by a chode with no calibration and a scarcity-based obsession with her.

        Now if he’s some total random on like, Twitter, and he doesn’t know your real name or have any pics of you, sure, blocking is probably enough. But if the girl gave him her phone number or Facebook under the mistaken first impression that he was normal, or her OKCupid profile (where she works, friends list etc) info is true etc., ignoring the guy and hoping he goes away is probably the best option…and even then as CH shows with this guy and Amy has explained with the “do you still have a boyfriend?” types, that can take months or even YEARS.

        The key is that she never asked for any of this. She gave him a chance because at one point he seemed normal and maybe even attractive, and then she ended up duped into this annoying drama…it’s even worse for a super hot chick who’s single and actively looking for a boyfriend because she’s forced to give out her contact info to potential suitors and risk them turning out to be this.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 11:26 am Matthew King

        Amy,

        First thing to do is acknowledge that many of your reactions are simply instinctive and not the product of logical analysis so much as the rationalization of a preferred outcome. That’s one of the missions of this site, to understand a woman’s real reasons for behaving a certain way beneath and against her stated intentions.

        Please. Matt, do you really think persistent attention from a guy like this is flattering?

        It most certainly is flattering. Not in a comfortable or normal way, no, but it can be regarded as evidence that your attractiveness drives men literally crazy. I know that doesn’t look right when I say it directly — because you banish the thought the moment occurs to you, without considering it properly — but there is truth in it.

        Are you flattered when an obese drunk girl hits on you?

        It is what it is. Our real difference is in diplomacy or tact. When you have an ability to befriend an enemy, more options open up to handle someone in the process of embarrassing himself or herself. My experience has been this: when you treat the tactless with undeserved class, people notice and hold you in esteem. And … shhh, here’s the secret … it transforms an awkward and possibly tense situation into a neutral or possibly happy one.

        And if you’re not flattered if an obese drunk girl hits on you (as you probably aren’t), does that prevent you from being kind or handling her effectively? No of course it doesn’t.

        The flattery doesn’t “prevent you from being kind” or effective, the mishandling of the flattery does. And the first misstep is to regard the flattery as something ominous or dangerous.

        You can’t let go of your certainty that I’d be ignoring this guy just so I could laugh with my friends.

        Not exactly. You ignore him because you do not have the social graces to defuse the tension or improve him, which would be understandable, except that you regard your lack of grace as not just superior but “the best [or only effective] way to handle it.”

        No, I’d be ignoring him because that’s the best way to handle it. Something I’ve learned by actually being on the receiving end of stubbornly persistent creeps.

        And out comes the C word! (A post after you used its companion term, “weirdo.”) These poor fellows have much to learn — the most to learn — let there be no doubt. But here we are concentrating on your contribution. You are not entitled to be insulated from people you prejudge as riff-raff. You are not entitled to regard the foibles of a boy, pathetic as he is, as cause for stalker panic.

        Something I’ve learned “being on the receiving end of [the] stubbornly persistent” is that you neutralize them with kindness and only encourage their poor judgment by actively ignoring them, allowing them to affect your calm, and finally by lashing out at them, as the OP chick did. Your assumption that they are toxic waste provides the predicate for your entitlement.

        Ignoring is not indifference! If you were truly disinterested* you would proceed as though his “creepiness” did not affect you. You do not ignore the person so much as the awkward behavior, refusing to bless it with your notice. You accentuate the redeemable.

        The probability that this guy was goofing around for show is slim to none. I know you won’t believe it from a girl, so just ask yourself why CH wouldn’t have mentioned that possibility in the original post…. if in fact it actually was a possibility.

        He “wouldn’t have mentioned that possibility” because he, just like you, your beta rationalizers, and the rest of the bandwagon went for the surface, pro-bitch explanation rather than focusing on her culpability. Which is understandable in CH’s case: this site concentrates on what men can do rather than women, especially when the “weirdo-creep” is more at fault than the girl in this instance.

        People like you rush to laugh at inferiors (and they truly are inferior) as a way to indirectly associate yourself with winners. CH is guilty of this as well, which is why he often falls for “fake but accurate” hoaxes, and bails himself out by claiming that the underlying principle is true even if the exaggerated details are not.

        But here in this subthread we are discussing what the woman can do. Contrary to your assumption, most successful men have the very same experience with “clingers” that you may have with “stalkers” — though in a man’s case they typically come after intimacy. You do not have a unique insight into this predicament, and you are using that claim to justify your lack of social graces.

        Attractive women are prone to sneer at their many social inferiors because they can, of course, so why not. My point is that they have better options than reverting to panic and invective. I will guess that you are a B+ girl, pretty enough to get attention but not so beautiful that you intimidate. If that is indeed the case, then my advice applies most precisely: you can get yourself to an A- or even an A if you adjust your attitude and radiate openness rather than suspicion and a scowl. Even though your attitude is amply justified and born of hard experience.

        Matt

        * don’t confuse with “uninterested”

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 11:40 am Grim

        @yareally “…hot girl has to deal with” ah pobrecitas

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm culprette

        I can think of only one surefire way to get rid of someone like this –
        the girl should tell him, “Sorry, I’m a feminist”

        The guy will run so fast – like Sarah Palin from Katie Couric- he’ll leave
        skidmarks. Plus, he won’t leave all butthurt and angry and cursing the
        entire female gender -he’ll feel relieved and grateful, like he just
        dodged a bullet – WHEW !

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  8. on January 6, 2014 at 2:53 pm Harsh

    It’s like watching a car wreck in super slow motion and the driver somehow manages to avoid getting squashed by the semi but turns around and takes another shot… again and again and again and again…

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  9. on January 6, 2014 at 2:53 pm Adonis

    Damn!!!

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  10. on January 6, 2014 at 2:58 pm Greg Eliot

    Geez, Louise… remove “sorry”, “chill”, “cool” and “u” from young people’s vocabulary nowadays and ASL becomes mandatory curriculum.

    Pardon me for a moment… I need to take a douche chill pill.

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  11. on January 6, 2014 at 2:58 pm walawala

    Sounds like he met her online and hadn’t actually gone out yet so he was opening her.

    The biggest problems here are the more than 2 texts per opener.

    For girls I’ve chatted with online I usually have 2 opens:

    “Hey crazy girl, xxxx”

    “Happy New Year xxxx”

    One thing I’ve learned is that texting is now no longer a “beta” thing but a mainstream thing.

    Every girl I meet and open loves this interaction.

    But…it has to be INTERACTIVE.

    Sometimes the girls will open me and we’ll text back and forth, sometimes I’ll check up on them if it’s someone I am banging or want to bang.

    ANother thing I now do regularly is store up a series of photos, some I’ve taken some I’ve downloaded from various sources and use those as punctuation points to keep texts interesting.

    Sending texts of whatever cocktail, beer or meal I’m having is a great opener.

    Anything that both builds comfort and DHV’s or stimulates a “What is that?” will work.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 10:04 pm immoralgables

      [But…it has to be INTERACTIVE.]

      Walawala knows….

      A good picker-upper text:

      “I swear I just met your twin.”

      Or if it’s the Holidays

      “So what does miss Xyz want from Santa this year”
      [Insert her reply “Haha I want blah blah blah]
      “You’ve been too naughty for that”

      And you go from there.

      But regardless, you got to have something to go with. It would be cool to have a collection of picker-upper texts to stir the pot after the account has been silent for a few days.

      Things that are not that good to use:

      “Hey how was your weekend
      “Hey how are you”
      “Hey what’s up”

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:35 pm walawala

        @immoral

        One thing I do notice, perhaps here in Asia is that the cocky-funny goes so far. At some point you have have to say “how’s your day?”

        I used to leave it out but a few girls seriously got upset thinking I was rejecting them…so calibration is key.

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  12. on January 6, 2014 at 2:59 pm Greg Eliot

    One word:

    Kafkaesque

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:14 pm yeahokcool

      probably my favorite. compliment. ever. was when i was told (by a woman no less!) that my writing (creative and hopefully not legal) was reminiscent of kafka. isn’t it excellent to have your name become a stand-in for bureaucratic nightmares? i suspect you may not feel the same about ole franz given the nature of his, let’s say, matrilineality.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:21 pm yeahokcool

        but, then again, maybe i’m wrong given your clear affinity for seinfeld. 😉

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:43 pm Greg Eliot

        Did I mention I like Bacharach too?

        You fairy.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:47 pm yeahokcool

        i was kidding with you, greg. relax

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm Greg Eliot

        You have to recognize my shtick by now, bubeleh.

        On a side note: Your persona strikes me as Kafkaesque. Your writing, meh… not so much.

        lozozllzozolzlzozolzlzl

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:08 pm yeahokcool

        Ah. I didn’t realize that the “you fairy” bit was used for any other purpose than attempting to belittle your online foes. We’re bonding, Greg!

        On the subject of my persona, well, it may be a nightmare of some variety, but it certainly isn’t bureaucratic. Simplicity is king with me!

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:03 am Zombie Shane

        So YeahoKcool is YKWish?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:29 am Greg Eliot

        Ah. I didn’t realize that the “you fairy” bit was used for any other purpose than attempting to belittle your online foes. We’re bonding, Greg!

        I thought you knew by now that, when I use the GGR homages on you, I always mean them in the best way possible.

        You company man.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:32 am Greg Eliot

        We’re bonding, Greg!

        Let’s not go crazy now.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 10:26 am yeahokcool

        ZS: no, i’m a mickey wop

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:16 pm Carlos Danger

        He had a wry sense of humor so to speak. They’re not all bad, just the ones who want to enslave us.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:00 pm yeahokcool

        lol. is that a quote from something?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:30 am Greg Eliot

        It’s on the wrapper of Levi’s Jewish Wry Bread.

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      • on January 9, 2014 at 9:21 am yeahokcool

        ha. very good

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 2:06 am Gro Haila

      • on January 7, 2014 at 9:16 am Neechian

        Favorite line in Annie Hall was when Shellie Duval tells Woody Allen that having sex with him was a “Kafkaesque” experience. Whenever I need a chuckle, I re-imagine the scene.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:45 pm Glengarry

        Red tape, eh?

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  13. on January 6, 2014 at 3:01 pm irishsavant

    I found myself squirming as I read his pathetic pleadings. An embarrassment to our gender.

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  14. on January 6, 2014 at 3:02 pm Anonymous

    I’m a big fan of being persistent and plowing…but holy fucking fuck, that is either fake, or the most O of the megas right there.

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  15. on January 6, 2014 at 3:03 pm Hacker

    The only possible defense to make the guy slightly less pathetic is that his statements were vague enough that he might have been using a mass texting strategy. But, I seriously doubt that simultaneously texting 100 women with, “how’s ur night going … do u want 2 chill” messages would give any better results than he got with this one. Ouch.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm Hacker

      Assuming he was texting the same 100 women every 3 days, that is. Texting 10 women an initial invitation would certainly generate more interest.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 3:15 pm ballsweatsoop

      Good point. Maybe he’s the gaming bot that I envisioned a few weeks ago.

      (to go w/ my above possibilities that he’s a) heroic or b) retarded).

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:16 pm ballsweatsoop

        No, wait, Zombie Shane might have come up with the gaming bot. I was thinking about the app to detect game/pua texts.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:31 pm Matthew

        hey girl does ur oven need a bun?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:06 pm Anonymous

        Join the Bay Area Seddit. We have PUA bots. No joke.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm ballsweatsoop

        You also have “gamer meetups”? What a bunch of fags.

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  16. on January 6, 2014 at 3:05 pm tang3zang

    What a little faggot. It’s like reverse emoji in here.

    Either way, “literally” is not an emphasis marker. Besides, why didn’t she just say “Not Interested” right away instead of waiting all this time? This is the same kind of bullshittery that ends with women claiming they were being “stalked” by a “creeper”.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 10:14 pm Starets

      Yeah, stringing along some omega goof so the chick can drama-brag to her coven of harpies about how awful it is to be creeped on all the time.

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      • on January 10, 2014 at 12:58 pm Anonymous

        lol no. not texting back is “not interested AT ALL” for a girl. learn.

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  17. on January 6, 2014 at 3:07 pm july

    Jeez man. What an extreme example. It Makes regular poosy chasers look aloof.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 3:16 pm Stilicho

      How the hell did Heartiste get a copy of Matt King’s text exchange with Feministx/Littlespoon…..??

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:44 pm Greg Eliot

        It sounded more like an immoragables field report to me.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:19 pm V

        with the sunglasses he kinda looks like immoralgables even.

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  18. on January 6, 2014 at 3:11 pm Anonymous

    What makes any guy think this will work?

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 5:48 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

      Yep, it blows my mind

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 6:54 am Knowbody

      Hollywood and no dads OR no dads with a pair of balls. ORRRR A jilted single mom.

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  19. on January 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm maurice

    No umlaut on unter.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 2:57 pm Jay in DC

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  20. on January 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm Kate

    “About to experience -40 wind chills.”

    Enjoy the “Arctic Vortex”! SNOW DAY!!!!!!!

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:22 pm OralCumm

      This broad had an arctic vortex…in her PANTAYZZ!!!!!

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 8:56 pm Gr8YT

      So U down to chill then?

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 6:02 am Kate

      lol

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  21. on January 6, 2014 at 3:26 pm ng85

    He “Just thought [he’d] say hi” on 9/11. This man deserves an A+ in my book.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 6:00 pm luka duke

      A+ for fucking sure. Hilarious!

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  22. on January 6, 2014 at 3:40 pm majneb

    The best part is the dramatic climax where he ironically and hilariously misinterprets her buzzing alarm clock pictogram as a what time? response. “After months of nothing I’ve struck gold – she finally wants me to come over!! She just wants to know what time!!” Hah.

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  23. on January 6, 2014 at 3:42 pm majneb

    “I’m thinking like seven seven thirty …” LOL

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  24. on January 6, 2014 at 3:42 pm Pluviophile

    Do cretins like this really exist? I felt embarrassed for him.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:52 pm Life at Calhoun's Lake

      I’d really like to claim this guy was suffering from mental deficiencies.

      However I’ve witnessed this act play out far too many times with, from the naked eye, normal-ish dudes to not know better.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm Greg Eliot

        Favreau in Swingers… the phone messages scene.

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  25. on January 6, 2014 at 3:44 pm Rick250

    To shake the beta stench, check out how Paul Newman handles an AMOG, his Beta buddies, and interacts with his Alpha best friend/partner:
    GUNS OR KNIVES BUTCH?

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  26. on January 6, 2014 at 3:45 pm Henry

    What a piece of shit. Guys like that should be in concentration camps and worked to death.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:45 pm Greg Eliot

      Let’s be fair now… to the other inmates.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 6:46 pm Anonymous

      Projecting much?

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:07 pm Henry

        Seeing yourself in this guy much? Ending a sentence with much like a faggot much?

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:18 pm immoralgables

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 11:08 pm Pluviophile

      lol

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  27. on January 6, 2014 at 3:45 pm Do you want to chill??!

    […] have problems. But there is just no reason for this degree of lack of awareness. From CH (CH's intro is pretty humorous, worth a read). (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || […]

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  28. on January 6, 2014 at 3:46 pm Fubsy

    Oh no, now sunglass boy has an excuse to go on a shooting spree!

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:28 pm tang3zang

      He can be the next Marc Lepine.

      ‘fuck outta here

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 8:57 pm Mob Barley

      i have my money on him learning game and becoming a lady killer

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  29. on January 6, 2014 at 3:55 pm Pluviophile

    What psychological hellscape does one travail to achieve this level of depravity? Really, I want an answer. There should be studies documenting this genre of abnormal behavior.

    Perhaps he was raided in a household where the woman was the dominate force, a force he feared.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm tang3zang

      >What psychological hellscape

      Western society

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:01 pm Mr.magNIFicent1

        win

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:31 pm doormant

        I recently learned the meaning of FTW, so would everyone please start using it more? Thanks.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm Anonymous

        Ignorance FTW

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 7:02 am Zombie Shane

      > “psychological hellscape… raided in a household…”

      Well, the Frankfurt School isn’t quite that powerful yet – even though they might have scared you into thinking that they are.

      [Just kidding – I know that the “s” is right next to the “d” on the keyboard.]

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 9:32 am Pluviophile

        You can do better. Try again.

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      • on January 10, 2014 at 12:59 pm Anonymous

        you write like a faggot. do you like “penis”?

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  30. on January 6, 2014 at 4:14 pm paddy

    Lloyd Dobler is a reference to the movie “Say Anything” which I have never seen, had to google it. It’s on Netflix, will have a look at it at some point.

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  31. on January 6, 2014 at 4:16 pm Reservoir Tip

    An aunt of mine had an omega stalker for years. It all started at the beach…

    Took a trip down to Panama City one summer and we were staying at this dump hotel on the beach. There was this guy hanging out there, middle age, but not bad looking. He was from Mississippi and began hitting it off with my aunt a bit. Ended up visiting her back home, and then she found out he was married with a bunch of kids so she told him to go away.

    We’ll he didn’t. The guy showed up once time when she had another date over and sliced the guy’s tires. He called and texted her telling her he loves her for literally years. She still gets texts from the guy.

    On another note, I was on a date with a girl from my high school recently and she divulges this gem to me. She was at some party and some white trash girl showed up out of the blue. Girl gets a little drink in her, announces, “so who’s going to fuck me first?” Then proceeds to get trained by every black guy at the party. Fucking disgusting. She woke up with blood and cum dried all over her face and pictures posted on twitter. Now she’s saying she was rasped because, surprise, she’s embarrassed. The girl had lost her virginity only a month before and has already screwed 11 guys and caught an STD. Mean rash on that vag.

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  32. on January 6, 2014 at 4:17 pm Phero

    I really do not believe anyone could do this. Seriously.
    I thought i acted desperate at times, but this is way too much…by about 10x.

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  33. on January 6, 2014 at 4:21 pm Tilikum

    i gotta admit tho that is kinda fun to burn a female out for the hell of it. its an interesting experiment in aggressive behavior and pushing your limits, which BTW is a direct result of watching lesbians operate.

    you would be very surprised how far you can go, and on some level i think Amy is right when she said :

    “She’d have to block him. Even that’s tricky if you see him out or have mutual friends. This guy’s creep quotient is so high that I personally wouldn’t want to tick him off if there was a possibility I might see him offline somewhere.”

    Lesbians understand the social shaming structure and I think take serious advantage of it to burn out the objects of their desire. you can get away with a ton, and getting a real baseline helps knowing exactly how strong you can go in. a value in learning how to calibrate properly.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 6:48 am RappaccinisDaughter

      Oh yeah, the Sapphic sisters are incredibly aggressive.

      I used to go to this mixed-gender gay bar a bunch because I had a friend who did drag there, so I’d go see him perform about once a month. Because they’d also do drag-king shows (that’s women performing as men, instead of vice versa), there’d always be lesbians.

      At this point, it’s relevant to note that despite the long ring fingers, the square jaw and the gun stuff, I’m actually not at all butch-looking. Being a feminine-looking woman in a club full of drunk-ass diesel dykes is like being a diver in Tilikum’s enclosure: FRESH MEAT. I got grabbed, felt up, backed into corners…on one particularly memorable occasion, actually *bitten*. And they did not give a single fuck that I was straight. I’d literally have to shove them off of me.

      And no, none of them got anywhere with me. Even if I were a little bi-curious, the level of sexual aggression was extremely off-putting. It’s not a tactic I’d recommend to straight men either.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:30 pm Tilikum

        😉

        i respect the ladies from planet lesbos……..game recognize game.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 4:11 pm Matthew King

        Lesbians are two-and-a-half times more likely than straight women to be overweight and/or obese.

        Just how much do you relate to this kind of “game”?

        RD’s anecdote was akin to a harrowing trip through a cattle pen. Or a session of Smear the Non-Queer with female sumo wrestlers.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 4:28 pm Tilikum

        i dunno. I hang out in a town populated by one of Americas top three party schools, not Scranton or Flint or ……Atlanta.

        it plays for me.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 2:26 am Gro Haila

        Psychos’Daughter: that last line was bad…never ever should one take dating advice from a vajina owner.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 7:44 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Gro: I understand the reasons why you and others would say that; after all, if 25 years of “just be yourself” and “buy her lots of shiny things” hasn’t worked, it’s unlikely to do so in the future. And those are the sorts of things that we XX types will say to men.

        However, the useful advice we can provide is what *NOT* to do. Stuff that’s been tried on us, and failed miserably. I’m not saying that aggressive kino can’t work, because obviously it can and does. However, there has to be some sort of base-level attraction already present. The woman has to already be in a place where she’s comfortable enough with you that the touching builds her attraction instead of making her wish she could’ve brought her capsicum spray into the club.

        The aggressive kino that was being run on me in the gay bar wasn’t working because, at root, I am heterosexual. Even if they’d been men—and a couple of the drag kings absolutely could have “passed” as such, there was one Elvis impersonator that made me wonder if reincarnation might actually be a thing—they were going way too hard, way too fast. You can’t just go straight from “Hey, what’s your name?” to biting down on my trapezius muscle from behind while I’m waiting for the bartender to notice me.

        By the way, the from-behind trapezius bite can actually be a huge turn-on if the circumstances are right. You’re going for that muscle that extends from the base of the skull to the shoulder, and you want to hit it right at the base of the neck, where it meets the shoulder. But it should happen when you’ve already got one hand on her waist or belly, so she knows you’re there, and you want to use just slightly less pressure than you’d use if you were biting into an apple.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 7:02 am Knowbody

      It sounds more like a waste of time than “fun”

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    • on January 8, 2014 at 12:26 am YaReally

      Met a hot little lezzie in a straight nightclub (check my archives, I’ve written about her before) who was more aggressive than most guys I’ve met. It was awesome to watch…she understood that 1) she would have to battle against the straight/curious girls’ ASD so she’d have an uphill battle/challenge there so she had to be more aggressive but also that 2) most chicks are horny in general and/or curious about hooking up with a girl, so that fueled her relentless macking, cause she knew that maybe some of the girls would run off but that she’ll find a handful who succumb and let her fuck them.

      It was very cool to see, she’d pin straight-girls in mixed sets up against the wall and try to make out with them, knowing that the guys in the mixed set would cheer it on etc. Her understanding of game/attraction was super solid.

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  34. on January 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm Psan

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  35. on January 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm Arbiter

    A woman, if asked, will always say she wants a man “who respects her need to take it slow”, but in reality, where her words meet the unstoppable force of her tingles, a chivalrous gentleman’s pose is the equivalent of downselling

    So true. In mid-December I started talking to a girl who took the same train as me. I had given her glances before we stepped onboard, she did the same, and then I came up with an excuse to talk when we were sitting on opposite sides of the isle.

    I got her number and email address, and invited her over to my place next week – by amazing luck, we lived very close to each other. I never had it that easy geographically before.

    When we were at my place we were going to watch a movie. Wise from manosphere participation I put my arm around her as soon as we sat down in the couch. There is another touch I like to add, putting a blanket over both your laps, which kind of brings you together and makes it natural to put your arm around her. Then I kissed her hair. She was a bit surprised, but my timing with her was right. But in my pre-alpha days I believe I wouldn’t have made that approach. I might not even have talked to her in the first place, even though she had given me tell-tale glances.

    Part of it is building a solid foundation, through weightlifting, a stable job, etc. Part of it is creating opportunity and more opportunity – it wasn’t luck that I met this girl or any other, it was part of an effort to get out there instead of staying at home. (Aside from “just be yourself” I also hate the “You’ll find someone when you least expect it” phrase women use.) And part of it is knowing what to do and say in a relaxed manner. None of it is chivalry the way betas understand chivalry – saying “Look at me, I’m chivalrous! And I’ll help you with anything you ask for!”

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 5:57 pm Tilikum

      “in my pre-alpha days”

      turns out that your still in em. because er…….i figured sunglasses kid was you. ya know, because of all your explaining.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:44 am Arbiter

        Ah, little Tilikum trolling again, totally expected. Are you still butt-hurt, buddy? Poor you.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm Tilikum

        christ, stop explaining shit and responding. you keep failing the tests and reinforcing my points for me. or not i don’t care.

        getting a gamma to prove it is all fun to me either way.

        getting bored though.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 12:28 am YaReally

        “getting bored though.”

        So leave. It’s not like you contribute anything positive anyway.

        …but you won’t, of course lol

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 5:03 pm Tilikum

        i like to burn out losers too 😉

        im kinda mean for sport that way. hehe.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 5:59 pm Steve Johnson

      She accepted an invite to go to your apartment and watch a movie.

      Congrats on immediately putting your arm around her but she was DTF.

      Baby steps I guess – we’ve all been there.

      I can’t believe how much pussy was being thrown at me in life that I was oblivious to.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:30 pm anonYmous

        This is true. In the past I’ve had women tell me, “you know all you had to do is ask me to fuck.” Or, “we didnt need to watch this movie or go on a date I wanted to goto bed with you right away”. I often wonder if women have some class, but maybe not so much. I think they are all beside themselves wondering what they have to do to get us to fuck them. Heh. Like its some huge sisyphean undertaking.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:15 pm YaReally

        One of the biggest revelations for guys swallowing the red pill is the reality that girls LIKE sex. And try WANT sex and actively try to SEEK sex. It’s not some reward they “let” us have…she doesn’t want to just watch the movie and not make out and not get laid anymore than you do…that said, you still have to work around her ASD/LMR smoothly instead of just opening your door naked lol although even that could work.

        When you legitimately view banging a girl as YOU doing HER a favor and see her as being the one who gets more out of “getting to” sleep with you, that’s when you know you’ve internalized high-value thinking.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:36 am Amy

        Yareally is right. That’s why it was a good sign she’s going right over to your place on the first “date” instead of meeting you out somewhere. Girls with a strict no-sex-on-first-date rule won’t do that. Not because we’re afraid you’re going to make us do something we don’t want to do, but because the temptation to do something we DO want to do will be too great.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 12:33 am YaReally

        “Not because we’re afraid you’re going to make us do something we don’t want to do, but because the temptation to do something we DO want to do will be too great.”

        Every guy learning game needs to read, ubderstand, and fully internalize this. Perfectly put.

        This is what drives behaviors like mother hens dragging girls off to the bathroom…they see their friend getting too attracted too fast and they know she’ll be too tempted to do something she wants to do but for whatever reason (boyfriend, not wanting to be a slut, etc) is trying not to do, so they forcibly drag her off, sometimes against her wishes in the moment, so her buying temperature can settle back down and she can regain her composure. That’s why often when they come back from the bathroom the girl you had super attracted now acts like an ice queen to you, because she’s trying to regain the upper hand now that she has her composure back.

        It’s annoying but completely logical. Women know that their emotions can overpower their logic, but they’ve created safe-guards to try to prevent that. PUA is about disarming those safe-guards so that she can do something she WANTS to do.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:08 pm Arbiter

        @anonYmous, in that case the girls you meet are more outspoken than the ones I find! Even when I go to bed with a girl the first night, she rarely hints at something like that.

        Although now that I’m writing, I remember the girl who told me when in our date she decided to sleep with me. We had been sitting in my couch, and I put a blanket over her lap because she might be cold, and she was touched by that gesture. (That’s when I started to include the blanket thing. You never know.)

        Another girl told me she decided to start dating me after I had told her, in a friendly but determined voice, to let me finish talking on our first date. She loved to joke and insert goofy comments to everything, and her great looks probably meant most guys let her. But I was trying to explain something philosophical that I really cared about, so I told her to wait and went on. That’s why she agreed to a second date and sex.

        @YaReally: I find that girl have different sex drives. Some have high sex drives, and they are the ones you want to find. Usually they have a happy and warm demeanor. Some have an average sex drive, and for some (usually cautious, pessimistic types) it’s low. I have met all kinds.

        One thing I find: those with the higher sex drive have an easier time having orgasms. Those with the lower sex drives have to work hard for an orgasm, if they can get one at all. There are exceptions to this, but it seems true in most cases. I definitely believe that the ability to have an orgasm is affected by their attitude and personality.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm Greg Eliot

        @anonYmous, in that case the girls you meet are more outspoken than the ones I find!

        More outspoken… and a lot freer with their, um… favors. 😉

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm YaReally

        @Arbiter
        “in that case the girls you meet are more outspoken than the ones I find”

        A lot of it comes from the frame you set and how comfortable/casual she feels you are about sex. Like a lot of the girls I’ve been with who talk sex with me don’t do that with other guys. Their friends, guys and girls, think they’re super innocent shy flowers, but it’s just that those people haven’t created an environment where she feels like she won’t be judged for talking about sex.

        I’m not saying there aren’t different sex drive levels in girls ’cause obviously there are, but I would put it like: a blue pill AFC guy experiences girls as a 90:10 ratio of outspoken/sexual/horny/high-drive/slutty girls to innocent/shy/low-drive/good-girls…a guy who has game but who isn’t really sexually aggressive (which is how your game sounds, with inviting her over for a movie and sitting on the couch and putting a blanket on her and such), like the cool high-value guy who’s still kind of gentlemanly like George Clooney or Brad Pitt experiences like a 50:50 ratio. And a guy who knows game but who’s also unapologetically sexual right from the word “hello” like Russell Brand or Robbie Williams experiences a 90:10 ratio.

        I didn’t view it this way myself until I started upping the sexuality of my game and saw first-hand what was going on, seeing how girls would act around me VS their social circles or other guys they were dating or even their boyfriends/husbands etc.

        This is why I make fun of the madonna/whore complex guys, because a lot of them simply haven’t gone far enough to the other side to even comprehend that most of the girls they think are madonnas are simply girls who don’t view them as the kind of guy they can share their whore side with. That doesn’t mean those guys are shitty people or anything, it just means they haven’t pushed their game as far into highly sexual territory as they could.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 4:14 pm Matthew King

        More outspoken… and a lot freer with their, um… favors.

        The one variable that is conveniently left out of their otherwise quant-nerd formulas for seduction.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:43 pm YaReally

        Greg and Matt’s replies to you being prime examples of my point lol Thanks for the demo of the 90:10 category, gentlemen.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm YaReally

        ah shit:

        “a blue pill AFC guy experiences girls as a 90:10 ratio of outspoken/sexual/horny/high-drive/slutty girls to innocent/shy/low-drive/good-girls…”

        “Thanks for the demo of the 90:10 category”

        whoops lol. Both of those were meant to be 10:90, aka slutty girls are just the drunk bar whores that “any guy can get”, and the rest of girls, especially in EE or Asia, are all innocent madonna virgins who don’t think about sex. Sorry, I was up late, it’s been a good New Year so far lol

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 6:36 pm Arbiter

        @YaReally: Well, after we have had sex, I certainly talk sex with them. (And a lot of girls tell me they are surprised that I talk during sex, because most of the guys they have had sex with are quiet and don’t want to talk. I think sex talk makes the act a lot more rewarding.)

        “AFC”, do I detect a SoSuave reader? It’s a good forum if you can put up with the occasional feminist and the occasional never-sex-so-I’m-bitter visitors. The DJ Bible compiled by old posts from the SS forum was something that I got good advice from way back when. But I note that quite a few of the contributors who wrote in the Bible have since been banned from the forum, while trolls are allowed to roam free. Go figure.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 6:46 pm Arbiter

        @ YaReally: I understood that you meant 10:90. Yes, that is one thing I notice. Saw a post elsewhere, as SoSuave, about a guy who had found a pretty good way to get sex with plenty of girls: he signed up as a host for Couch Surfing, where girls travel to different countries and stay at people’s homes for a day or two. He had an easy time making the girls sleep with him.

        Several readers then posted about how those girls were all sluts who probably slept with every guy they visited. He wrote, no, they were decent, academic girls, many of them said they had only slept with one or two guys before. He just had good game and he had figured out a routine. But of course they wouldn’t believe that – it would mean he was better than they. So they had to find the explanation for his success rate elsewhere, and found it in “Women Are Sluts (if they sleep with other guys but not with me)”.

        I couldn’t be bothered to log in that day, but I should have posted in that thread to back up the OP. Here was one guy who is actually out there in the field, doing what is preached, and he gets flak for it in a sneaky way, by attacking the girls he sleeps with. It is all too common in the “manosphere” that the losers hate the doers. They always take refuge in dogma, competing in who can be the most fanatic, to compensate for their lack of actual accomplishment. A mirror version of feminists.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 12:56 am YaReally

        @Arbiter

        “@YaReally: Well, after we have had sex, I certainly talk sex with them.”

        Right, but even then you’re getting the “how I act with a guy I’ve already had sex with persona, which is closer to her Freudian id than the “how I act with a guy I think will judge me for wanting sex”, but still not the “how I act with a guy who makes me comfortable talking about sex in the first 5 minutes we’ve met” self.

        That’s why the guy above had girls tell him “you could’ve just asked”, because he wasn’t in that category where they’d tell him flat out that they want to fuck even tho he learned after the fact (once they were eventually comfortable enough to display that side of them to him) that they were “slutty”. At the time, when he wasn’t privvy to that knowledge because he didn’t make them comfortable enough to share it, he viewed them as not the type of girl you could just say “hey wanna fuck?” to.

        I’m not talking shit about your game/style or anything, I’m just saying when you invite a girl over you actually sit on the couch and out a blanket on her to escalate during a movie…I used to do that too, and it works just fine, but these days, now that I’ve upped how sexual my interactions with girls are right from “hello”, when they come over I don’t even have a movie or blanket setup because I pin them against the wall at my doorway, makeout, and carry them to the bedroom a few minutes later.

        There’s another level you can get to past the Clooney/Pitt style game, but 1) it’s totally not necessary, and 2) it doesn’t mean your game sucks or anything just that Russell Brand and George Clooney experience the same girl differently based on their vibe/sexuality.

        ““AFC”, do I detect a SoSuave reader?”

        lol no. Tho I skim it for entertainment now and then. AFC is from the old PUA days when there was basically only one board for pickup discussion (fastseduction). SoSuave is like game-lite, for guys who are scared to go all the way into pickup and want to retain their blue pill conditioning of not being one of those dirty stinky “PUA”s. The guys there will never get very good because they’re still clinging to the social conditioning of trying to be Don Juan or James Bond. rooshV forum has the same problem but the guys there are more willing to explore the extreme/darker sides of pickup. Part of why I post here is that CH has a no-holds-barred “whatever works” attitude that’s far more conducive to evolving game as an art-form/knowledge-base.

        SoSuave is like the safety scissors version of PUA…still able to cut better than using your bare hands but they’re nowhere near as skilled or efficient as they could be.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 1:16 am YaReally

        “Several readers then posted about how those girls were all sluts who probably slept with every guy they visited. He wrote, no, they were decent, academic girls, many of them said they had only slept with one or two guys before. He just had good game and he had figured out a routine. But of course they wouldn’t believe that – it would mean he was better than they. So they had to find the explanation for his success rate elsewhere, and found it in “Women Are Sluts (if they sleep with other guys but not with me)”.”

        Ya this is exactly what I’m talking about. Those guys can’t get good because their ego/conditioning is too invested. It’s why people think I must only get drunk bar sluts that “anyone can bang” and can’t wrap their heads around the fact that despite my preference for bars I’ve pulled high-quality sober tail in day-time environs that they couldn’t even get close to. So they have to rationalize that the girls must be fucked up, clinging to their social conditioning and belief in the Madonna/whore complex. Safety scissors version of game.

        “It is all too common in the “manosphere” that the losers hate the doers.”

        Yep. In the old days of pickup when I started the environment on fastseduction was different. It was a golden time because we all KNEW that none of us knew shit about how attraction works…that’s how we FOUND the place, by admitting we didn’t know shit and googling “how do I get a girlfriend?” So any theories proposed were responded to with “go out and try it 20 times and tell us your results, then we’ll all go out and try it 20 times and compare notes and figure out what the commonalities are in the successful results and tweak it and then all try it 20 more times”. There wasn’t much ego involved because there was nothing to be an “expert” in yet since the analysis of attraction/game was just starting.

        Now EVERY dude who reads a few game articles or forums is a fucking expert who considers himself knowledgable enough to dish out advice to other people about how shit works, even tho they’ve never actually gone out and applied it as seen/experienced it first-hand. They just get into dick-waving sword fights over who’s theory is more likely and that’s where you get guys like Matt King who think you don’t have to actually go out and get laid to have a valid opinion on game.

        When I started out I was out 3-6 nights a week, 8pm-2am, solo and often sober, approaching 10-20 girls a night, dragging my ass into work exhausted the next day, for years, experimenting and comparing notes. And most of the other guys were doing that too.

        These days newbies replace going out with reading game blogs and waxing theory in comment sections and arguing over how “those girls must be sluts” because they don’t go out and push themselves and their game into areas where they can even relate to some of the shit I explain. They’ve become spectators because there’s so much content available to spectate now. In the old days there was nothing to spectate so we had to go out and experience it first-hand.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 9:15 am lx703

        I can’t believe how much pussy was being thrown at me in life that I was oblivious to.

        Amen, Brother.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:51 am Arbiter

        Thanks, Steve. Yes, she really was DTF. Fun when that happens. On the train when I crossed the isle to sit down next to her as we were talking, she kept brushing her hand against mine, and when I made a joke she slapped my arm lightly, things like that. The things you read of in “10 signs she’s attracted to you!” lists that rarely happen in real life, because usually girls are more cautious and want to draw it out longer.

        Inviting her over was natural when we live so close. I could have suggested a coffee shop or bar, but then both of us would have had to go farther away than just her coming over – in a situation like this, asking her to come have something to eat and watch a movie really was more natural. Or possibly just ask to go for a walk and look at the Christmas trees in the nearby park if she’d be reluctant to come over. (Then start the walk at my place so she gets to see my apartment, that ol’ trick, and end the walk at the same place: same end result, just takes a bit longer.)

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:10 pm Jay in DC

        I can’t believe how much pussy was being thrown at me in life that I was oblivious to.

        Truth. Thankfully, I didn’t spend most of my life like this. I do remember in high school and the first few years of college how overt some chicks were being but I was still a doofy blue pill kid.

        I became educated by about my 3rd year though. I specifically remember going over this hot little spinner’s house to study. I was reading and she just unzipped me and gave me head right on the spot. That shit blew my mind. I use to bang her on the side for years after that.

        Almost immediately after that I went to another chick’s place to study and “do you want to take a break?” I’m like sure why not. “Do you want a handjob?” Umm… why, yes, yes I do… 🙂

        And after that, I never looked back. I slayed so much of this type of ass in college it was absurd. But I am still just a little bitter about the stuff I had handed to me on a plate from 14 years old to my junior year of college and it was a hell of a lot.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 9:08 pm Gr8YT

      “a relaxed manner”

      Is that another way of saying “chill”?

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 10:51 pm corvinus

      Good job, dude.

      That doesn’t mean that I won’t give you sh!t if you say something lame again, but you’re at least learning.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:56 am Arbiter

        I learned about game maybe twelve years ago, been one of those few who practice what I preach ever since. That’s why I often have a more nuanced view than those who write the “Just tell her you’re going to fuck, and if she says no she’s a bitch!” kind of posts.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm YaReally

      @Arbiter

      Ignore these guys, you did good. Props on pushing your comfort zone, that’s where we grow the most.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 9:41 pm MercifulBoss

        Sorry to hijack your post Arbiter,

        But since you guys were already on the topic, I thought I’d jump in and ask a few questions.

        I have been doing pickup for a year now, have done 1500-2000 approaches, but still haven’t gotten laid. I think I may have pinpointed my issue. I will try to explain it via an example, from a date that I went on, and then I will ask my question.

        I opened this cute HB8.5 on POF, she replied and we talked back and forth for a bit before she said I had very luscious lips, to which I replied that they are very kissable. Shortly thereafter I asked her on a date, she agreed. I didn’t really plan anything other than getting a coffee and walking around the city, because I don’t have a place downtown in the city (neither did she, she lived with her parents just like me).

        We met up as agreed, and this girl looked very good. She was in a nice dress (it was summer), and high heels with makeup making her look very sexy. Being inexperienced in this whole seduction thing, and somewhat afraid I took her to a park some distance away and we sat down and talked. I tried light kino, but never kissed her (I don’t remember if I went for the kiss, it was a while ago) and then after talking in the park for a while I decided to take her to walk around to the harbour and sit and look at the view. The date ended when she started complaining she was tired and wanted to go home. Naturally, she stopped replying to texts and I saw her again.

        Now looking back, I realized that she was likely planning to fuck, but I disappointed her.The reason that I never suggested going anywhere was because I don’t have my own place to take a girl but the most important reason is, I am afraid. I do not have experience in sexing up girls so I wasn’t sure how to get to the fucking.

        Finally, for my question. Can I just simply suggest to a girl, lets go to a hotel and grab some drinks/watch a movie,etc? Do I need to really plan elaborate dates? It seems outside of my reality that women would want to fuck on a first date, does that even happen? How do I make it not awkward?

        In this example, could I have suggested to go grab some food and drinks at a hotel? (if you guys have better plausible deniability please share).

        Help would be appreciated.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 1:39 am YaReally

        lol no worries. You diagnosed your own problem which comes down to two things:

        1) you didn’t plan ahead so you were moving sideways stalling for time waiting for her to give a green light or make a move, VS moving forward toward a specific goal (isolation in a place you can fuck). This is super common, even guys with game fuck this up. Use the Search at my archives (click my name) for “day 2” and “logistics”. She “got tired” and left because she realized you weren’t going to move things forward, only sideways, and her ASD won’t let HER move things forward (that would be slutty) even tho she wants them to, so eventually she gives up and goes home frustrated that she put all that work into looking nice for you and didn’t get laid lol

        2) you’ll have to think outside the box more, till you move away from home. Here are some ideas:

        – go to a hotel lounge for drinks and get a room together

        – say you have a hotel room and grab some booze to drink in it then just rent one when you get to a hotel lol

        – take her to a restaraunt (or a McDonald’s lol) and bang her in the bathroom (check beforehand for how out of sight the bathrooms are and where security cams are etc)

        – get a hotel room under the pretense of just watching some movies and having drinks together then escalate when you’re in there

        – take her into a hotel stairwell and escalate and bang in it (to save spending $ on a hotel room lol)

        – take her into a bar bathroom

        – fingerbang her on a crowded dance floor where it’s too crowded for anyone to look down and notice

        – bang her in an alleyway, just pin her against the wall and makeout and go from there, VS verbalizing “do you want to go have sex in this alleyway?” Lol

        – bang her in a change room in a clothing store in a mall

        – bang her in a mall bathroom stall

        – bang her at a buddy’s house

        – sneak her into your bedroom thru a window or find a way to get your parents out of the house for a few hours or sneak her in after they’ve gone to sleep or while they’re at work

        – fool around behind some bushes in the park

        For a lot of these bathroom/stairwell ones you might trigger her ASD/LMR because it’s not nearly as smooth/comforting as having your own place, in which case back off and try again instead of forcing it and looking like a rapist dragging a girl into an alleyway lol. Like she might need privacy to feel comfortable.

        Ideally if you have the money, rent a hotel room ahead of time so you can just smoothly transition to it instead of her having to wait in a brightly lit lobby while you fill out credit card info etc and possibly gve her ASD time to kick in.

        If you had dropped $50 for a cheap hotel room and taken her there to “watch a movie”, you’d have banged her. She wanted to bone you at the “luscious lips” comment lol. Sure $50 is a lot to risk, but when you wake up to her going down on you the next morning after a night of banging, you’ll think “best $50 I ever spent” lol

        Don’t worry, you’ll come up with a solution. And one day you’ll live on your own and not even have to worry about a lot of this…but definitely don’t wait until then to game girls, cause like I say you could’ve had this one.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 1:41 am YaReally

        Oh also a car works too. Borrow your parents car to go “visit a buddy” or something and then find a quiet dark place you can park and bang.

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  36. on January 6, 2014 at 4:48 pm Brbro

    I did the same thing that this guy did with a girl that has fallen in love for me.

    Kept doing until I became a omega from her point of view and she was able to get her life going.

    And yes, she really was in love, she talked to another guys to they talk to me, tried to get mine attention for almost a whole year, tried to talk with me, and all the bullshit going on.

    I choosed to be omega/beta mode because an colleague wanted her and I not, and since the moment that he would enjoy more than me this girl I did without regret.

    Today they have a relationship, and I also do the beta role around him to increase his value.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm Greg Eliot

      Someone run this through the translator for me… I’m sure it’s a scintillating anecdote.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 6:57 pm behindtheberezina

        The language barrier goes both ways. One can only imagine what was interpreted on that end to begin with.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:59 pm Mob Barley

        hahahaha, scary

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:08 am Knowbody

        Pretty simple….dude above “faked” this behavior to shrug off a girl he wasn’t interested in so his buddy who was interested could make some moves. Pretty lame for his friend but..ehh, it worked I guess. He continues to fake it around them so she adores his friend. Pretty good wingman move I suppose.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:36 am Greg Eliot

        Sigh… yet another jest fallen flat.

        2014 is starting to look like it’s going to be a banner year on that account. 😦

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm Knowbody

        eh..IDK man, it was worded like shit and I actually thought it could probably be confusing too after reading it….

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  37. on January 6, 2014 at 4:49 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Damn that was pretty painful. Someone should punch him.

    “did u mean wht time”…lol

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 7:05 pm immoralgables

      Deep down, I would love to think that this guy was trolling the girl. If he was really doing it out of self-amusement then I think Heartiste owes him another post but this time as Alpha of the Month.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm Matthew King

        Deep down, I would love to think that this guy was trolling the girl. If he was really doing it out of self-amusement then I think Heartiste owes him another post but this time as Alpha of the Month.

        Your instinct is almost definitely correct.

        Think about it. Even in your lowest of low omega days, were you anything close to this oblivious? His inital contact may have started out earnestly but by the end, if it hadn’t transformed into a goof, then the dude is straight-up mentally ill, obsessive compulsive. Omegas and betas might have their flaws, but they aren’t insane. For as much as we throw around the word, autism is an entirely separate category of deficiency.

        A site like this should dig one level deeper. Grant that the beta’s display is so sad that it defies belief. But what does all the schadenfreude SMH here in the comment section say about the girl, and more importantly, about us? Maybe the enthusiasm of the FB loser is matched by our enthusiasm to condemn him. In that case we fall over ourselves tsk-tsking or laughing at him because, no matter how desperate we were, we never got that “weird.” (“Weird” and “creep” = girls’ favorite castrating terms.)

        And in the case of the girl — if she published it — what can we discern about her and womanly thinking in general? She wants to humiliate this guy because getting stalked is for celebrities, it proves her SMV.

        Situations like these are easily defused, because no matter how much we want to caricature this poor soul, losers are not completely clueless about their loserdom. If the girl replaced her sneer with a gentle piece of advice, altering his trajectory just enough, a non-disturbed man would have interpreted her silence differently, and he would eventually move on. Laughing at the dude is tantamount to encouraging the girl’s sneer, which she reverts to as a way to puff herself up. At very least, the chick needs to understand that she is at least as responsible for the fiasco as the dude is.

        She deserves to be pilloried as much as the guy does, but we are such a culture of beta-orbitry that we immediately savage the dude rather than so much as scrutinize the smallest part of her culpability.

        Good PUA teachers commiserate with the losers and show them how to be winners. Cockblocking faggots and hungry crumb-chasers choose hos before bros, laugh hard at girls’ jokes, and nod along as she savages his sex, just on the chance he’ll get a piece of pity pussy when the bar lights come on.

        In contrast, men defend their little brothers from cunty snark and turn the shame right back at the entitlement queens. Now the PUAs with much to prove will claim that “hot chicks” have to be treated in a special way, that it is to your advantage to shame every guy except yourself, with the idea that you’ll be last man standing. This skeezy attempt to ingratiate yourself at the expense of your brothers might get you some short-term trim under the right circumstances, but it backfires in the long run by showing what a weasel, how so much like a gossipy woman you are.

        The man who demonstrates he can defend the young bumbler, even at the expense of immediate advantage in female attention, makes the truer and longer-lasting impression on women.

        These bitches don’t want you to giggle and agree with the darkness within them; they want you to slap it out of them. Especially the hottest and snottiest ones, because they intuit or feel (but never consciously acknowledge) that they have gotten away with far too much for far too long.

        Matt

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      • on January 18, 2014 at 5:54 am Kate

        Nice.

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  38. on January 6, 2014 at 5:03 pm bigdickeddeadgordon

    In the same way a joke can be so bad it is almost funny, this guy is so lacking in social skills that he is almost cool (in an Alan-from-the-Hangover type of way). He is so clueless I wondered a couple of times whether he was just trolling the shit out of her.

    I feel like doing this now to some girl I don’t like.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 5:22 pm BlackPoisonSoul

      Say to her: “I’m’a creep you out, like some weird loser, just to drive you batshit craycray.”

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:32 pm V

      do this to some girl you dont like and watch her say she wants to chill. what time?

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  39. on January 6, 2014 at 5:11 pm Charlie Dont Surf

    Notable: After 3 months of dead air – she first responds on Christmas – and stiff-arms him on New Years Eve …. because she really didn’t want to be a bitch about it.

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  40. on January 6, 2014 at 5:32 pm walawala

    A few observations on text game just based on my experiences:

    1) you have to sexualize it early, then you can back off as long as there is some clear intent. I send photos or stuff from this site: http://www.eroticimage.tumblr.com

    2) if a girl is opening you about her day…it’s a major IOI but you have to ensure that you’re not just the guy she talks to when she’s on the bus. You want to be the guy talks to late at night…if you can keep it going that late or get them to text after midnight that’s an IOI.

    3) Text is a way of building comfort and spiking attraction. But I’ve found mostly it’s about comfort. If you’re too sexual, you’re over-gaming which is my problem most of the time. Most girls figure out if you want to fuck them. If they keep the interaction going and are keen to meet it’s ok.

    If there is no “goal”—a meet up, then you’re wasting time.

    4) calibration is key….too much ‘how’s your day?” stuff is bad…too much “I want to fuck you” is bad….somewhere between witty banter, DHV, sexualizing and comfort.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 6:05 pm Scray

      1) is where we disagree. I keep it as non-sexual as possible —- the suggestion of a meet-up, alone, has enough of a sexual undertone. I don’t want to trigger any ASD.

      2) Agreed. If they try and txt me after work or at a non-late time, my fav is to dangle the slight carrot of validation about their day or whatever — one txt. When they respond to expand, I immediately push for the meet-up.

      3) Ya. See, I know what you mean in 1….but it’s kind of subtle. I’d just as soon say leave 1) or attempts at 1) out altogether actually because of the propensity of dudes to fall into 3).

      4) Ya. If something bombs, abandon it and focus on a different DHV trait.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 6:52 pm immoralgables

        I think you’re both right TBH. Like yeah some times there is no need whatsoever to sexualize but sometimes it’s good too. I forget who said it but it’s a mix of dropping some innuendo/flirt and then backing off a bit.

        Just to let her know you have a penis but not always. And yes, sometimes you don’t have to at all.

        Recent exchange, HB7 foreign au paire off of day game. So when I number close sometimes I feel like it’s a battle and I have to overgame to get the digits. Not good…Like it’s not easy for me to casually get the digits… I got to make it a thing and lock down plans and get the digits and all that and leave the girl smiling and into the idea of meeting up. Something for me to work on in 2014 no doubt.

        With this chick though, when I went for the number she could kinda tell I was expecting a battle/flirt exchange for it but it was weird. She was so chill, the way she agreed to exchange digits and meet up it was like her saying “Chill dude, I’m into you and I really want you to have my number. Don’t overgame me Immoral.” In my head it was like “Waiiiiiiit, that’s it. You’re just going to go along with it?” It was a split-second thing but I went along with it….yeah calibration.

        I didn’t forget that so with pushing towards the meet-up I tried to chill out a bit….yet I do like to insert some flirting here and there.

        Me: Shalom Eliana, nice meeting you. Talk soon -Immoral
        –
        Her: You too!
        (New Years passes)
        –
        Me: Happy New Year miss Eliana. How are you handling all this snow/cold
        –
        Her: Happy new year! I’m not used to this and now I’m sick :\
        –
        Me: I would come visit and nurse you back to health but Doctors are not allowed to flirt with patients [Insert emoticon of sick patient +o( ]
        –
        Her: Haha thanks:)
        –
        Me: So did we make plans to meetup tomorrow or later in the week
        –
        Her: I’m not sure if I’ll feel better, so maybe later in the week?
        –
        Me: Oh ya I was actually thinking the same, Wednesday is better…let’s get drinks then
        –
        Her: I think I’m working on Wednesday :\
        –
        Me: Are all Israeli girls this difficult :-p, what day works for you miss Eliana
        –
        Her: Lol I don’t think so, sorry 🙂 my free days are Sunday and Mondays though
        –
        (Next day)
        Me: Hey Sunday is perfect I totally understand your work situation. Let’s talk later in the week
        –
        Her: Ok cool 🙂

        So yeah, perhaps my daygame won her over so much that none of my shit was necessary. I can see that. I still think sometimes it’s good to insert some sexual intent/flirting like Walawala said but then again, Scray has a point in that perhaps it could have been done without and achieve the same result

        BTW: As an update on that HB7 Filipina/Cubana. I over-invested in that and yeah…it ain’t happening but I appreciate your help with it brotherman.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:00 pm Grim

        Dude do you read this blog?

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:51 pm immoralgables

        I know I know, I tend to violate CH’s maxims for sure.

        One thing you’ll find out (if you go out and practice this shit) is you can break the maxims here and there depending on:

        1) Your relative value to the girl (or perceived value)
        2) Congruence to your personality. I was flirty/talkative in the sarge so it’s not bad to be that way via text. And no disrespect, I used to be just like a lot of guys starting out where they absolutely 100% think aloof/laconic is the way to go ALL the time.
        3) How much of a novelty the initial sarge was. Seriously, HB7 gets approached at a very busy metropolitan public place during the day time whilst sober and has a special 10min convo with a normal unassuming looking guy.

        So yeah, i wholeheartedly agree that CH’s maxims are gold and should be followed. But not always and if the aloof/minimal-word response thing isn’t a part of who YOU are, then you got some learning/fucking-up to do until you can realize what you can get away with.

        Do I even read this blog? Yeh
        Do you even go out? Meh

        [CH: Remember, even the Biblical Commandments have exceptions.]

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:39 pm walawala

        @immoral

        Yeah, the idea is to keep it short but it depends on the context. If there’s attraction and you want to build comfort, it’s ok.

        But you know you’re over-doing when you start getting push-back or fewer responses.

        “Do you read this blog?”—yes but it’s more important to go out and try this stuff for real.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 2:43 am Scray

        Yeah, the hard-and-fast rules are for individuals who will never learn calibration — most men.

        In a situation where your value is sky high to the girl, then ya….aloof/minimal word is optimal to avoid fucking up that dynamic. In a situation where you have work to do, being ‘aloof’ defined as ‘quiet’ and sending txt messages like ‘…’ and ‘gay,’ will do nothing for you.

        ‘Me: Shalom Eliana, nice meeting you. Talk soon -Immoral
        –
        Her: You too!
        (New Years passes)
        –
        Me: Happy New Year miss Eliana. How are you handling all this snow/cold
        –
        Her: Happy new year! I’m not used to this and now I’m sick :\
        –
        Me: I would come visit and nurse you back to health but Doctors are not allowed to flirt with patients [Insert emoticon of sick patient +o( ]
        –
        Her: Haha thanks:)’

        Nice stuff here. You put in the little flirt and she is kinda lukewarm. Rather than linger or try to save it, you just cut to it:
        ‘-
        Me: So did we make plans to meetup tomorrow or later in the week
        –
        Her: I’m not sure if I’ll feel better, so maybe later in the week?
        –
        Me: Oh ya I was actually thinking the same, Wednesday is better…let’s get drinks then
        –
        Her: I think I’m working on Wednesday :\’

        This is great. The best part is the ‘me too.’ I think I’ve said something about how strong this is. But any time someone tosses news at you that could be bad, saying ‘I’m so glad you think so too’ or ‘I was thinking the same thing…’ is money.

        ‘-
        Me: Are all Israeli girls this difficult :-p, what day works for you miss Eliana
        –
        Her: Lol I don’t think so, sorry 🙂 my free days are Sunday and Mondays though’

        This was the perfect time to use the ‘….this difficult’ line. However, whenever you can use this line….I think a ‘lol :-P’ communicates the same idea.

        ‘-
        (Next day)
        Me: Hey Sunday is perfect I totally understand your work situation. Let’s talk later in the week
        –
        Her: Ok cool :)’

        I like this little stab at comfort. I don’t like that it’s coming at the end of the interaction, tho. If I wanted to set up a little ‘awww I get u,’ I would have actually used the ‘are all X girls this difficult’ line WITHOUT asking which day worked. Then, I’d hope she’d say ‘lol don’t think so, sorry’ by itself, and then I’d say this comfort line and set up the date.

        That way, you have the perfect rhythm — punishment with the joke, her complying/apologizing, then you releasing the tension a little.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:17 am immoralgables

        @Scray

        Good looks!

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:14 pm Scray

        As an update on that HB7 Filipina/Cubana. I over-invested in that and yeah…it ain’t happening but I appreciate your help with it brotherman.

        That sucks my dude. She seemed pretty into you!

        And to clarify, I agree with you. Wala is right that sexual intent combined with calibration is amazing. However, it’s just so easy to fall into overgaming when you do that stuff. Especially because like 99.9% of the lines you get in a Lovesystems manual or whatever that ‘show sexual intent’ really will fail you most of the time — and they should, because those lines are only good in a certain set of circumstances.

        honestly tho, playing around with this ‘present yourself as a beta then pull out the rug’ strat may just be key to scoring out of your league. srs. stay tuned

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:19 pm immoralgables

        Haha! I love it man. Keep us posted.

        No love lost with the Filipina/Cubana chick, just picking her up, actually getting her out and doing my thing on the meetup was a victory in itself.

        Understanding game helps remove the emotional ickyness that comes when things don’t go the way you want them to. The ability to look back and objectively understand and be cool with your mistakes and the root cause of them is essential to not getting butt-hurt ( and to getting better)

        But real talk, no doubt you’ve taught the readership a thing or two this past year. Keep us posted with this Alpha/Beta/Contrast (ABC?) game you’re working on. A real-life example is my Korean buddy with daygame. Girls see him and expect him to be typical Asian herb yet when he fucking opens up white girls like a boss and is smooth/forward about it’s like he is 6’2″ with a six-pack showing.

        Contrast IS king (credit to Rollo T.)

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 10:59 pm Pluviophile

        it’s like he is 6’2″ with a six-pack showing

        I get the impression the above physical attributes impress you, which leads me to believe your CPU is feminine in nature.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:00 pm immoralgables

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 7:20 pm immoralgables

        BTW I 100% agree with what you said. Nice work expanding on that as it makes it easier to see your POV.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:54 pm walawala

        @immoral, I’ll give you a sample of a longer text chat I’m having with a “religious” girl I’m gaming. We met up last week, I gamed her, spiked attraction, k-close, since then she’s been flakey with the conflict between her hind and forebrains driving her hamster into over-drive.

        Here’s a sample of our chat from Sunday:

        Her: Can I add you on FB?

        Me: K

        Her: Kill all the space for you to imagine.

        I THINK SHE MEANS THAT SHE”S TRYING TO SHOW ME SHE”S JUST AN ORDINARY GIRL OR SOMETHING…

        Me: hahaha

        Her: No need to imagine, just ordinary

        Me: You on the other hand are free to let your imagination run wild

        her: …

        SHE RUNS ELIPSIS GAME ON ME!!! CLEARLY COPYING THAT

        Me: What did you get up to today.
        NOTE HERE I SWITCH FROM ATTRACTION TO COMFORT

        Her; mentions she went to church heard a sermon to be strong and courageous

        Me: I had dumplings (NOTE I”M NOTE REALLY GIVING A SHIT)

        her: I played keyboard, cool dumplings are good

        she blabs on some more this goes on for a while. THen she opens me the next couple of days wishing me a safe trip for my biz trip etc.

        xxx

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:15 am walawala

        @immoral

        Here’s how I would suggest you tweak this next time:

        Me: Shalom Eliana, behave yourself on New Year’s-Immoral
        –
        Her: You too!
        (New Years passes)
        –
        Me: Hey Eliana. What’s your New Year’s Resolution?
        –
        Her: SHE WOULD HAVE MADE UP SOME CRAP OR ASKED “WHAT’S YOURS? AND YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN IT FROM THERE…

        Me: My resolution, to confirm our next meet up, I’m free later this week or early next.
        –
        Her: I’m not sure if I’ll feel better, so maybe later in the week?
        –
        Me: Cool Wednesday works, cocktails.
        –
        Her: I think I’m working on Wednesday :\
        –
        Me: Don’t make me break my new year’s resolution what day works for you miss Eliana
        –
        Her: Lol I don’t think so, sorry 🙂 my free days are Sunday and Mondays though
        –
        (Next day)
        Me: Sunday’s I’m in Church, but after that would be fine…
        –
        Her: Ok cool 🙂

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:18 am immoralgables

        I see what you did there…

        Thanks Walawala.

        Btw, fucking lol @ this:

        “I THINK SHE MEANS THAT SHE”S TRYING TO SHOW ME SHE”S JUST AN ORDINARY GIRL OR SOMETHING…”

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:26 am newly aloof

        Love that Doctor/Nurses line. Lol’d. Thanks to reading YaReally’s archive, seeing the link to Juggler Method pdf, and reading the material, I know that not only is this a cool tease, but it’s also a sexual barrier. The sexual barrier technique is so subtle but so cool and powerful. Thanks Ya.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:30 pm darkhorse

        Sexualizing right of the bat really helped my game. Very effecient way to get laid.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 10:31 am Matthew King

      The Shalom never fails.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 12:25 pm Arbiter

      1) You send her porn? Looking at those pictures I actually started laughing – if you have success with that, then kuddos, but good God, man. Sending a girl pictures of a woman sucking cock usually isn’t the wisest way to go.

      Here’s a tip: print out the pics and give her an album compilation on her birthday instead. On the first page you write, “Thought you could use some tips!” For extra motivation, write a price next to each picture so she knows how much she can expect. That should spice things up.

      Also write the going rate in Thai Baht under the dollar price, so she can see how much more you are willing to give to her instead to some Pattaya hooker. She will find your generosity a great turn-on.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 5:08 pm walawala

        @Arbiter

        This is a good question. I don’t send “porn” to girls, that’s insane and uncalibrated.

        I got this idea from Krauser as a way of sexualizing.

        When you k-close a girl or are texting at some point she will make some sexual remark and if you pick up on it, that’s the point you can pivot the conversation towards sex.

        I usually start with “Behave” or “My mom warned me about girls like you….”

        Then i move it to: “You seem open-minded, do you like photography?”

        Then I push-pull: I have a website of interesting photos, they may be too much for you….

        The other site that’s interesting is: http://www.sexsavestheday.tumblr.com

        This has funny photos, hardcore photos, some cat photos.

        IF she’s saying she’s up for this, then you say:

        Here is an interesting site with a series of photos, some are hardcore but others are very artsy. Show me your 3 favorite photos and I’ll send you mine.

        In EVERY case I’ve run this photo-game escalation the girls have sent some of the most hard-core photos from the site. Then ask them to tell you why.

        They will say “Artsy” or whatever.

        But no….don’t send “porn” that’s idiotic.

        In the case of one girl I’m gaming now, she sends cat photos to me and cat memes.;

        So i did a google search of “Vargas catwoman” and “pin up girls cats”.

        When she sends me a cat and dog, I send a pin up of a woman with a cat.

        When she says “OMG”

        I reply with: “Behave, I’m looking at that cat….”

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  41. on January 6, 2014 at 5:41 pm The Desperate Male Of The Month | THECAPTAINPOWER.COM

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  42. on January 6, 2014 at 5:48 pm luka duke

    God damn that’s painful to read.

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  43. on January 6, 2014 at 5:48 pm Mitch Cumstein

    If you listen closely, you can hear two things: the girl and her friends, laughter and ridicule. “OMG, you HAVE to keep this going!” And the sound of this kid furiously masturbating between messages.

    I wish his name was posted. I’d be on the lookout for it anytime there’s a mass shooting.

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  44. on January 6, 2014 at 5:55 pm D

    Could just be cluelessness; when I started dating, I read a book telling me to pay her lots of attention.After three months (and one date), she told me she didn’t know me well enough to marry her (I preferred the woman I had dated the night before). And yes Amy I never talked to her again; after all I didn’t want a woman whoo was thinking marriage until I’d been dating for years. Looking back, I was already alpha, but ignorant.

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  45. on January 6, 2014 at 6:04 pm Live-Evil

    Ha interesting, you block your real name in the comments!

    [CH: No, but nyone who attempts to out exes or enemies or whatnot in these comments will be banned. People should not expect to play out their personal dramas in the comments section of this blog.]

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 8:31 pm Tilikum

      CH….then Matt should be cut for airing his angst against the baby Jesus for not making people moral enough! talk about personal screeds of revenge sheesh.

      jk.if i get a vote i say leave that sad sack here. he’s a hell of a good time.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:05 pm Pluviophile

        What the hell is up with your womanish Mean Girls vibe?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:07 am bloxistan

        CH is written by lindsey lohan between coke binges

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:38 am Tilikum

        fight fire with fire

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:29 pm Pluviophile

        Was in reply to Tilikum.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:05 pm Pluviophile

        What the hell is up with your womanish Mean Girls vibe?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 10:35 am Matthew King

        ?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:34 pm Tilikum

        its a joke. relax.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm Greg Eliot

        Alas, the same can’t be said of you.

        You fairy.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:51 pm Greg Eliot

        Looks like the forum software is going haywire on reply tree order again.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:35 pm Tilikum

        I saw the first 10 min of the new Al Pacino movie on Netflix. At what, 73 he is old and irrelevant now. Painful.

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      • on January 10, 2014 at 1:16 pm cheers

        “greg eliot” you have a prob with saying “faggot”? because you write like you are (massive homo).

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 11:37 pm YaReally

      On that note, I would blur the dude’s pics. The guy has it bad enough already, someone at his school/work/etc recognizing him and a subsequent reddit style onslaught of public/Internet humiliation is more likely to send this one down the suicide route than the “okay I’m determined to learn about this game stuff now!” route.

      Really SHE should’ve left his pic out before posting it, like she did with hers. That’s a pretty dick thing to do, but it tells you how expendable guys like this are to girls…they don’t have any feelings or humanity and are basically invisible at best, and disgusting annoyances at worst. A guy like this isn’t Eve a human being to a lot of girls.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:49 pm ballsweatsoop

        Good point about this picture. OTOH, like I said way above, this dude is heroic (or retarded, literally). . Plus, bros before hos, and AWALT. and etc.

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      • on January 10, 2014 at 1:20 pm cheers

        Yeah, he’s not. but never send a text or message that you would be embarrassed by in the interwebs. hashtag truth.

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  46. on January 6, 2014 at 6:05 pm askjoe

    too painful to read, just knowing it went on for 50? msgs after “hey, can we hang out, we never met really”
    here’s more pain
    http://www.worldwideinterweb.com/item/3060-guys-with-imaginary-photoshopped-girlfriends.html

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 7:13 pm Dr Caveman

      Oh man… Hoover handing your photoshopped girlfriend

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:20 pm Greg Eliot

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  47. on January 6, 2014 at 6:25 pm Steve Johnson

    “If you want to guarantee failure with women, read the Poon Commandments and do the opposite. This will ensure failure better than wearing a placard in public declaring your infidelit”

    Is publicly wearing a placard that declares your infidelity really that bad from a game perspective?

    It’s like next level wedding ring game – “LADIES – not only do I have a wife, I also occasionally bang sluts on the side – ask me how you can get some too!”

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  48. on January 6, 2014 at 6:28 pm thatincelblogger

    This is not how a typical beta acts. I’d laugh at him if this picture were like 5 times shorter. Things being as they are, I’m actually between sad and annoyed for him. This guy is just retarded.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 6:55 pm Grim

      CH how did you obtain this screenshot?

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  49. on January 6, 2014 at 6:45 pm Grim

    Yay. One more alpha thug dead.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/06/3855419/miami-beach-police-identify-victim.html

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 10:54 pm corvinus

      It’s Miami. Plenty more where that came from.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 2:19 pm Glengarry

      ““I knew he loved me and he always loved me, but he was always out there with females,” Hardy said.

      … And when she worked at Hooters, he’d come in and leave her big tips. One of the last things they did together was go apartment hunting, Hardy said.

      “He wanted me to go to school, and he wanted wanted to move in together and have a baby,” Hardy said.”

      Learn from the naturals.

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  50. on January 6, 2014 at 6:46 pm bloxer

    lets all laugh at the kid with aspergers to feel better about ourselves

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 6:58 pm immoralgables

      Lol comment of the thread ^^^

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 8:06 pm haunted trilobite

      bit of a hyuck fest allright

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 8:47 pm Rick250

        Truth lies crystal clear in the extremes.

        Like how Paul Walker probably would have said that he had never met a bitch or feminist in his life.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 7:14 am Knowbody

      Who cares about a genetic flaw…whether or not he has aspergers, it’s still a case study in the dumb shit dudes pull.

      Typical shaming tactic “to feel better about ourselves” HAHAHA, White knighting another dude…fag

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm Arbiter

        Do you even know what “white knighting” means? The typical scenario is a guy jumping at the chance to defend a girl at a night club without knowing the context, so she will spend the rest of the evening with him instead. Bloxer is not “white knighting” when there is no date opportunity with an attractive girl to be had. Don’t overuse that word just because it’s cool to use in-the-know terminology.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:26 pm Greg Eliot

        I was under the impression that the expression was all-encompassing for situations where a guy jumps to the defense of a women from another guy… even if she might be in the wrong.

        I’ve even heard it in re jumping to the defense of a weaker male from a bully.

        Whether the motivation is to impress a given woman or not… I’ve even heard the term applied to police on domestic abuse calls, even when the woman is batshit crazy and started the ruckus.

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  51. on January 6, 2014 at 6:48 pm archerwfisher

    My eyes were burning. That hurt to read.

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  52. on January 6, 2014 at 6:56 pm Pfoophie the Farting Siamese

    I was him in high school and early college. I am now MGTOW and will refuse to save-a-hoe any bitch over 27. If I have kids, it’ll be when (if) I make bank and she will be in some 3rd world shithole where divorce is non-existent, where I will move to. Fuck Americunts, marry a 3rd worlder and keep her in her native marriage-friendly country.

    Americunts will get what they deserve in the collapse, and poorer gammas/omegas will leave them hungry other than for the occasional fuck. If no pussy is available watch them turn into jihadists against the alphas and higher betas.

    Alpha’s have one weakness, there’s too few of them and many sperglings like us. Our unmanly temperament is what keeps you around, much like Christianity and fear of hellfire for murder keeps tyrants around…

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 7:16 am Knowbody

      Never met an extreme MGTOW’er that was “alpha” like they think they are. All you guys do is spend your time and resources “MGTOWing all over the internet” then pull a weak ass mark Minter.

      You are the equivalent of the post wall loner chick pissed about how there’s no gentlemen anymore and nobody cares about marriage.

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  53. on January 6, 2014 at 7:07 pm MeSoAngry

    It fucking hurt to read this.

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  54. on January 6, 2014 at 7:11 pm Robert

    I’ve missed your Beta of the Month columns!

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  55. on January 6, 2014 at 7:22 pm colonelcrimson

    If anyone would like to read the opposite of the poon commandments, here ya go. My first ever post in fact:

    http://colonelcrimson.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/the-sixteen-commandments-for-poons/

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  56. on January 6, 2014 at 7:30 pm Troubadour

    I’m not sure who is more desperate; me or that guy. I didn’t send remotely that many messages, but they were longer and longer and fuller and fuller of emotional underbelly bullshit. Hey chick who might actually be psycho enough to stab me, hear all my inner turmoil, because psychotic chicks care so much, and I know you’re getting wet.

    Oh well, I had to face it again. I don’t approach much because that’s what I always do when I get a number. I freak the FUCK out. It’s almost to the point of being compulsive behavior. I was even writing the chick a list of game-informed reasons why her “gina tingles were drying up.”

    Of course you can argue I saved myself from getting stabbed with that one. I pretty much went batshit when I woke up one day and my analysis of the game so far had me wondering if she was planning to stab me “Basic Instinct” style.

    When you’re scared of a girl, for the love of puppies, just find a different girl.

    So I did, and I actually told her, “Tamara, I’ve been trying for like three months to tell you that you’re cute.” She blushed and looked down. I don’t think Tamara is overly fond of self-destruction or destruction, and that was a lot more wholesome and healthy. I didn’t even try to get her number after three months of orbit behavior. Maybe I should have, but whatever.

    I’ll find somebody less psycho, and I have finally (I think) faced the reality that you can be all the man a chick could ask for on paper, but when you don’t have your emotional shit welded down solid, you’re a paper tiger.

    I gotta figure out how to get it welded down somehow, and I’m afraid the only way to do that is to get a divorce. I fucking hate my wife. Twenty years of being nice to someone you’d like to punch in the face has not done good things for my emotional stability.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 8:27 pm Tilikum

      fuck me. if you aren’t a troll you should be. EPIC!

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 9:36 pm Troubadour

        I would make a good troll. Unfortunately, it’s all true. I’m trying.

        That was actually a lot of progress relative to the last time I went through this whole painful process. If I hadn’t gone into a panic trying to force the pace, I’m pretty sure I would have nailed that chick eventually. I got on her list of options, I just wasn’t anywhere near the top of that list.

        That was, of course, a chick psycho enough to warrant an entire CH post devoted specifically to her. He thought she was crazy, and I think she’s even crazier than he thought.

        That’s a true red pill truth, gentlemen. I make at least three time as much money as that chick, I’m at least seven rungs higher on the social ladder, I’m a successful man who has his little miniature empire well-ordered, and I’m halfway cute. My higher value is immediately obvious, but it’s a fraud, because I’m worthless due to my emotional turmoil.

        I need to get back in character and play a psychotic douche bag. It gets chicks. I want chicks. There are other ways I could play, but that’s a good way for me to aim.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 9:40 pm immoralgables

        [I need to get back in character and play a psychotic douche bag.]

        That’s not true Troubadour and you ought to consider just working on some of your deep-rooted issues instead of getting reactive and becoming the one thing that will probably fuck you up even more.

        Before you embark on this shit in a bad way, consider some of these inner game resources that can help tremendously:

        1) http://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Nice-Guy/dp/0762415339

        2) http://www.amazon.com/The-Six-Pillars-Self-Esteem-Definitive/dp/0553374397

        3) http://www.amazon.com/Models-Attract-Women-Through-Honesty-ebook/dp/B005EOTH24

        4) http://flirtisforum.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=862

        5) http://www.amazon.com/The-Way-Superior-Man-Challenges/dp/1591792576

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 8:37 am Troubadour

        For what it’s worth to anybody who cares, I finally figured out who I really am. I’m like the Golden Boy from our Lamaze class who kept passing out at the sight of all the hurty things happening to girls on screen. His stocky wife kept having to revive him with smelling salts. They’re still together. They had a big family.

        I’m not that much of a pussy, but closer to that end of the spectrum. That guy seems happy, but I never was. I was checking out all the hot single women in that Lamaze class whose douchey baby daddies weren’t hanging around, and I was embarrassed to be seen with my fat girl.

        My fat girl always wanted a guy just like Golden Boy, and she isn’t really liking the more dominating me better at all. It’s stressing her the fuck out.

        Truly, NAWALT, but I’ve never met one of these nurturing mommy women with a Golden Boy who wasn’t some kind of just not my kind of pretty. I imagine pretty ones of this species of unicorn do exist, but they get snatched up quickly, because there are a lot of pussy guys in this world.

        I’m trying to game psychos, because I have access to psychos, and competition is a lot lower. The hot 18 year old at the local gas station, how tight does my game have to be as a decent looking 42 year old married man? How many girls do I have in my entire sphere that young, cute and sweet? I can’t think of another one.

        I know there are more cute girls around here than I think, but how do I get out when I work 60+ hours on night shift in a town where everything dies at dark and Monday is my only night off?

        Bills come first. The odds of finding a decent girl with a pink heart instead of a black one are not good. So I’m trying to turn that natural pussy guy into a brutal asshole.

        It helps that I have one in here. I think every man does. It’s the difference between a man at peace and a man at war.

        All I did wrong with my psycho was doubt my instincts about where I had set my internal shithead-o-meter. Did I set it too high? Did I set it too low? No, I got the number and she continued texting me through three restarts. I set it right. She was interested in an evil asshole who had just turned to Satanism.

        So next time, I’ll just go with that. Those are the ones I have realistic access to unless I change careers. I’d rather be in love, but girls like that don’t go for romantic shit at all.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:24 pm Jay in DC

        I dunno man, I gotta go with immoralgables on this one. There is the concept of “fake it til you make it” but that only goes so far. You are SO opposite end of the spectrum that going for uncaring asshole will likely be very transparent to a woman, further compounding your issues.

        I think you need to find a happy medium somewhere but definitely stop being a doormat.

        Also going for an 18 year old is NOT a good idea for someone that is as off the beam as you are right now. Shoot for some less high value targets first to get your confidence up and then the ball starts to roll down hill on its own.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:40 pm newly aloof

        Ditto that. I’d also add one more thing that I think is worthy of a read from Troub: http://m4ker.free.fr/Essential%20Seduction/%5BJuggler%5D_The_Juggler_Method_Encyclopedia_%28Second_Edition%29.pdf I bet this dude has some kids. If not, why the foook would he not bolt on that lady!

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 9:27 am FamilyMan

        I’ll respectfully disagree here with Jay, with the proviso that I’ve been off that battlefield for going on 20 years now, but I think I’ve gotten smarter rather than more clueless in that time. Relationship / marriage is a battlefield, and marriage with children has all the same issues, made more difficult with additional issues as a side dish.

        I’ll say: act any way you want. You don’t have to be angry (eat yourself up inside) to act like the “aggressive dick” (words of a girl who was accidentally admitting what works), just think “aggressive dick” and do that. It’s easy, the words will come to your mind, because even if we are not angry, there is that aggressive dick inside all of us men. It’s perhaps a matter of giving yourself permission to let that guy out. You’ll find that the girls ARE comfortable with it — even if you are not at first! Unbelievable as it will seem the first few times.

        I suspect it’s really that simple. You can do it and be angry, and that will work because you’ll be doing it, but the anger is unnecessary. Aggressive is not the same as angry. Anger comes from having been frustrated many times, not knowing what to do, being a bit desperate but not admitting it. Aggression comes from seeing what you want and going to get it. And, you’ll get it.

        Maybe not every time, but maybe you will get that 18 year old. She doesn’t know that many guys, some are intimidated by her, and what seems so natural and obvious to you will be mysterious to her and she’ll respect you for it.

        Be that aggressive dick. And think of us as you are sliding her panties down over her knees.

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  57. on January 6, 2014 at 7:30 pm anonYmous

    That was painful to read.

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  58. on January 6, 2014 at 7:37 pm Anonymous

    Damn! Holy Fuck-balls, Batman! (That was shockingly depressing for anyone with working testicles to read.)

    But, seriously, only put woman on a pedestal in order to look up her dress. Other than that, don’t.

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  59. on January 6, 2014 at 8:18 pm Chris from Dublin

    It is difficult to believe that this is genuine.
    It is difficult to believe that anyone could be as socially retarded as the subject of this post is.

    Regarding the earlier points: if the main male protagonist of any movie annoys you intensely (think Jason Biggs or Ben Stiller) then you are most likely to be watching a beta movie.
    As written earlier – those kind of men do not get women in real life, just in stupid movies.

    Remember the most important rule of all – CHICKS DIG JERKS!!!!!!

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 12:45 pm Arbiter

      Women like excitement and strength. A jerk’s aggressive behavior might show him as exciting and strong, though in most cases this is false advertising, and many jerks fail even while they think they should succeed. It doesn’t mean a guy has to be a jerk, he just needs to show that he has his life under control and that he can show her a good and exciting time. Like someone said, women don’t have a problem with nice, they have a problem with boring.

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  60. on January 6, 2014 at 8:19 pm Chris from Dublin

    CH: No, but nyone who attempts to out exes or enemies or whatnot in these comments will be banned. People should not expect to play out their personal dramas in the comments section of this blog.]

    ***** proper order. No betas or beta drama on these threads please, thanks

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  61. on January 6, 2014 at 9:03 pm Mob Barley

    The guy started lol’ing @ himself by the end of it… I have a vaguely odd feeling he’s a potential red-piller, somewhere waaaaaaaay off in the distance.

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  62. on January 6, 2014 at 9:32 pm Anonymous

    The guy is lucky he didn’t have the police called and charges filed for stalking. In fact, I expected to see a text that said, “Could you tell me why the police are at my house?” about halfway through the scroll.

    Let me share some red pill legal wisdom with you. A few years ago, I was a public defender in the Mountain West. I had this young blue pill for a client, who was charged with stalking some eighteen year old girl.

    She called the police on him because she claimed that he was following her around town on a Saturday night. She would go someplace, and he would turn up shortly thereafter. So she called the police, allegedly in fear for her safety, and had him arrested.

    When I met him, he had already been in jail for a few days. He strongly professed his innocence and told me that she had been sending him texts that night, telling him to meet her at certain places. Like a good little blue-pill puppy, he followed her from place to place, but she had always already left when he arrived. The next thing that he knew, the police were hauling him off to jail.

    I asked him if he had any proof of this, and he told me that she had been sending texts to him all night on his phone, which was now in the police evidence locker. I told him that he needed to bond out ASAP, and I would try to get his telephone. His grandmother finally got him out of jail after about two weeks in lockup.

    Later, I obtained access to the phone via a motion with the court. Sure enough, the texts were exactly how he described them to me. She would tell him to go someplace to be with her and then flake. The texts ended with his arrest at the last location.

    I showed the phone to the prosecutor, who agreed to drop the charges since she had been leading him around all night. I also demanded that the prosecutor file false reporting charges against the little princess, but he refused because the little princess’ uncle was a police officer in the town.

    This is just another little nugget of wisdom for this site to illustrate what the egocentric attention-whores will do to some poor, desperate sap once they lose interest in toying with him.

    I guess that it had a happy ending if you forget that the client spent two weeks locked up in a cell, eating bad food, and wondering if he was going to have to take a plea bargain if grandma wouldn’t bond him out.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 10:39 pm Mr.B

      When I got full custody of my daughter. I informed my daughters mother that I was moving out of the State of California by certified mail six months before I left. My daughters mother also had supervised visitations but they were cancelled due to her not showing up. I then moved out of state 7 MONTHS after I moved my crazy babymama went to the police and said that I kidnapped my daughter. The police put out an amber alert and I had to go to the local police station and show them all my paper work. Luckily the investigator at the police station was cool when I showed him all the paper worked that proved my babymama was insane, but that bitch caused a shit storm. The thing that got me the most was that this bitch files a bullshit kidnapping charges for a kid she has no custody of and nothing happens to her. The bitch should of went to jail for making a bullshit amber alert, but she received no punishment. It amazes at what these stupid bitches can get away with….

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:46 pm ballsweatsoop

        Posts like this and the one above are as valuable as anything else here. And I mean no disrespect to the other shit here.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:10 am cynical beta

        Yep. Nothing exposes blue pill ‘pretty lies’ and red pill ‘ugly truths’ like working in criminal law, either side, and family law. Lots of lawyers and social service types go into both areas as idealists and come out cynics.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:00 pm Grim

      Similar story on the other end of the “partial” success spectrum: woman will date a man for three years, being madly in love/lust, great sex all the time, profess her deep love for him daily, move across the country for him, etc, but if they break up because of him being beta, watch out — BAM!!!! as CH says in the rules, she will instantly go stone cold killer silent and act *as if she never even knew him* which will destroy him via its cruelty, and then if he sends her perhaps 6 or 7 emails over 6 months (not a lot (beta, but not super stalking)), she will go to the police station and try to have him arrested for stalking. After three years, she will cut him off, he will never hear her voice again, and she will try to have him arrested and truly ruin his life for simply telling her he still misses her. Truth. (That’s what my friend told me.)

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  63. on January 6, 2014 at 9:43 pm behindtheberezina

    Anybody want to take a stab at what this guy was doing during the 11-day lapse after September 30? (Forgive me for that “stab” thing.)

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 12:39 am panelvan

      Ramadan?

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:30 pm Greg Eliot

      Star Trek Convention?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:20 pm behindtheberezina

        Now I’ve gone and spit Zing Zang and Ciroc all over my pajama bottoms. I knew I could count on youze guys.

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  64. on January 6, 2014 at 10:18 pm bo jangles

    Its Alpha to try try again, its Beta to never learn anything from those attempts.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 10:46 pm cynical beta

      Agreed. At least he did something. He stuck his foot out and took a step. He can learn from this. Whether he goes in the right direction from this, we can’t know, but at least he’s moving.

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  65. on January 6, 2014 at 10:25 pm derp

    the problem with PUA is that it’s meaninglessly contradictory. if you don’t approach girls enough you’re beta. if you approach them too much you’re beta. if you put yourself down you’re displaying low value. but then again if you put yourself down you’re negging.

    PUA is a set of contradictory barnum statements which can be used to justify absolutely any approach.

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    • on January 6, 2014 at 11:29 pm YaReally

      It’s an art. There isn’t one way to paint a bowl of fruit. Calibration is what makes all the difference…newbies and spergs often have a hard time grasping that because they aren’t socially aware/experienced enough to read what the other person is feeling.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:42 pm walawala

        Happy New Year YaReally!

        Your forecasts and advice were awesome.

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      • on January 6, 2014 at 11:58 pm YaReally

        @walawala

        Thanks dude, same to you!

        Stick to your Soft Next, ideally vanish completely from those social functions she attends if you can till after Valentine’s Day, it’s only a month away and V-Day is like rocket-fuel for a girl’s hamster when she’s stuck in a Soft Next and hasn’t heard from or seen you in since New Years. And then definitely don’t txt her on Valentine’s Day.

        Its theoretically possible that this combo (vanishing + V-Day) could cause her to finally give up. Like if she doesn’t see/hear from you till after V-Day and then you can keep avoiding interacting with her till the end of Feb, that could be enough to make her give up and assume you met someone else etc. which could end up with you being able to let her back into your life as early as summer.

        But then you’ll have to ask yourself if you really WANT her back in your life, seeing her and all her flaws the way you see them now. 😉

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:22 am haunted trilobite

        And smelling the faint miasma of sperm milkshake from all the guys she’s turned up her ass to while you two were ‘on the outs’.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:24 pm YaReally

        I can almost guarantee that her hypergamy means she hasn’t done anything more than make-out with another guy, and possibly not even that. She might go on a Valentine’s Day date, but she’ll be comparing him to walawala the whole time.

        Even if she ignored her hypergamy/obsession for walawala, she would maybe go out with a guy and maybe even consider him her “boyfriend”, but she isn’t out getting 50 dicks up her ass, and walawala would be able to snap his fingers and have her dump whatever gay boyfriend she lets take her out for Valentine’s.

        Experience VS theory on this one, no offense.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 6:09 am haunted trilobite

        Fair enough, you’re a better reader of the female mind than I. It’s not my place to be cynical and introduce the element of doubt about whether this snowflake is really too special. I think love is great. Percy Sledge described it pretty well “When a maaaan loves a woman, Can’t keep his mind on nothin’ else, he’d change the world for the good thing he’s found. If she is baaad, he can’t see it, She can do no wrong, Turn his back on his best friend if he put her down.” I understand all the investment of time and emotion, etc, but love is horrible when it’s not reciprocated

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 6:22 am YaReally

        “It’s not my place to be cynical and introduce the element of doubt about whether this snowflake is really too special.”

        It’s not about her being special. It’s about her being the same as every other woman: ruled by her hypergamous instincts to bed the highest-value male she finds. Walawala is the highest-value male she can find, ergo she has no interest in other men because she compares them to him.

        Imagine if you met a girl you thought was the hottest girl you’ve ever seen, and at the exact moment you met her, every other girl in the world became a 300lbs man-jawed feminist with 4 kids from different dads. If that amazing girl was mad at you for something you did wrong and feel bad about, would you try to get back into her good graces, or would you go stick your dick in 50 of those 300lbs man-jawed feminist snatches?

        That’s what hypergamy is.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 6:10 pm haunted trilobite

        I’d wait for princess charming for sure. My original intention was just to add some more unsavoury imagery to your million dollar question of “is she worth it?”. But like I said, I’m in no place to monitor anyone else’s one-itis. What’s VS theory?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm darkhorse

        ya, happy new year YR

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      • on January 9, 2014 at 12:25 am walawala

        @YaReally

        Update for you…as you predicted she made her move.

        I blanked her throughout the holidays so out of the blue her friend contacts me to reserve a spot for my ex gf at my sold out New Year’s Eve party—the day before. I was oddly enough not surprised. I just replied “Cool. added”.

        Chicks must have talked. She showed up and my other ex gf was DJing and also hostess. The two ex’s greeted each other and my latest one greeted me since I was the host. I’d lost my voice due to laryngitis. I played it cool, was pleasant, charming, gamed her and then she suddenly brought up a home remedy for my throat that she used to bring over. It was clearly on.

        Since she’d made the effort I danced with her. She was holding me tight. At New Year’s she greeted me. Naturally I went for the k-close and she pulled away not because she didn’t want to kiss me but because it was crowded with friends and gossipy onlookers. I laughed.

        Later on she left saying she was drunk and texted me saying I had rejected her blah blah blah. To make a long story short we had a chat with both of us hammered on the phone. She claimed she had some new guy chasing her. I didn’t really give a shit and told her as much. She brought up my other ex gf–the co-host of my party. I just laughed that off as well. She tells me she came out because she cares for me and asks what I would have done if she hadn’t come out. I just laughed and said probably nothing.

        Suddenly a few days later she starts texting me to see how my throat is.

        Then she starts texting me every day—just banter and suggests going to a photo exhibit. “Ok, let’s go.” and I set it up.

        Since then I’ve been texting and gaming her like the other 2 girls in my rotation.

        I get the idea from her texts that she’s up for something and is enjoying being gamed while at the same time opening up the possibility of something.

        I’ve kept things cool since our date set up, no future talk, just banter, cocky replies.

        I’m looking at this as a hate fuck and then we’ll see.

        I don’t really care actually because I now have a couple of girls in rotation and am going on a long holiday for 3 weeks from next weekend—which I haven’t told her about.

        So the NEXT worked but the situation remains unclear beyond major IOI’s.

        Will let you know how this pans out. Any feedback is always welcome.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 11:36 pm derp

        Yes, I’m just saying it isn’t a coherent concept. It can be used to disprove your gender theories as well as prove them.

        In fact, if women are shallow, they would only care about looks. Not personality or PUA.

        [CH: You assume all personality permutations are deep and meaningful. When you ASSUME…]

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 2:47 am Scray

      if you don’t approach, you’re a beta, if you chase them too much you’re a beta. if you put yourself down you’re displaying low value, if you put her down in a subtle way you’re negging.

      you got the statements wrong.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:09 pm taide

      I don’t understand very well either, why the women should chase the men, the men as the active force i think should be the ones chasing the women, the passive force ,that is how i see things…

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:32 pm Greg Eliot

        We chase ’em until they catch us. 😉

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  66. on January 6, 2014 at 10:38 pm cynical beta

    I haven’t done this but I have done something arguably worse: sent many long e-mails pouring my heart out in a 1-way conversation.

    My excuse was she and I had history and she had led me on, from a blue-pill perspective. Looking back through a red-pills lens shows clearly I had nothing with her even while I believed we had something. My motivation was I was in love, confused and desperate, and didn’t know what else to do to maintain a connection, no matter how weak, with her. What I did is what you’re reduced to when you don’t know Game, don’t understand women, fully believe in rom-com and Disney love, and believe you’ve found The One. It was blue pill unrequited love all the way down.

    The difference from my story is this guy doesn’t seem to have had a history with this girl. So this looks unmitigatedly deluded and desperate. On the other hand, he did have her number, so maybe when they met, she led him on somehow, however meaninglessly from her perspective.

    I agree she should have given him a firm stop earlier, but passive-aggressive is what girls do. 9/8 to 12/31 is a long time to go on like he did based on so little. It’s easy to believe he was pissed at her blow-off and decided to amuse himself by trolling her.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 2:34 pm V

      he didnt have her number, he found her on facebook…

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  67. on January 7, 2014 at 12:26 am Jeff

    If I contact and a girl, and I get nothing back, I’ll try once more.

    If I contact her again and get nothing, she’s dead to me. She lost her chance.

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  68. on January 7, 2014 at 1:05 am ho

    “Really SHE should’ve left his pic out before posting it, like she did with hers. That’s a pretty dick thing to do, but it tells you how expendable guys like this are to girls…they don’t have any feelings or humanity and are basically invisible at best, and disgusting annoyances at worst. A guy like this isn’t Eve a human being to a lot of girls.”

    Sounds about right.

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  69. on January 7, 2014 at 1:36 am Atlas

    Notice how her scarce replies where only made when she was probably near or in her period, where tolerance for betaness amplifies to an extent.

    Modulating your game for each period phase (specially for LTR’s) would be a most interesting and useful future post!

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  70. on January 7, 2014 at 2:35 am LibertarianinChina

    This is easily the saddest Heartiste post ever. That poor, poor guy.

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  71. on January 7, 2014 at 6:04 am MosesTransports

    Never have I regretted the existence of the scroll bar option more than in the reading of that “exchange”. If you can call it that.
    This article should simply be shown to all your beta friends, and after they tilt their heads down in shame, you can bitch slap them, saying “Never again!”

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  72. on January 7, 2014 at 6:33 am earl

    Ah the difference between a man that knows what he wants and a wishy washy guy.

    The first guy would just tell her to come over…if she doesn’t respond he moves on.

    The second guy is non stop contradictions…then says sorry for having a penis. His hamster would rival many chicks.

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  73. on January 7, 2014 at 6:41 am FamilyMan

    Here’s my attempt to teach red-pill to the ladies. I’m “David” here in the comments. The original post is pretty meaningless, you can skip it if you want.

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/brianna-wiest/2014/01/18-things-women-shouldnt-have-to-justify/

    BritneyinNYC gives me a couple shit-tests and I reply, how do you think I did? My replies were “I guess I won’t be sleeping with you then, my wife will be relieved but I am devastated” and “does this mean you won’t even suck my dick?”

    Beth is actually sincere in discussing it. She’s the reason I stuck around.

    Zuul makes a great comment. She thinks that normal beta behavior IS “trying to fake being a nice guy” and that guys are naturally “assertive dicks”. Learn from this! It’s as clear a permission as I can imagine to use what CH is teaching us.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 10:37 am FamilyMan

      You would have to scroll down a number of pages to get to my comments there, they really start at about 18 hours ago from now, which means 6pm and earlier, EST, Monday 1/6/2014. (Absolute reference provided for archeologists and anthropologists who want to analyze my pearls of wisdom in coming centuries and millenia.)

      It really bothered a lot of the woman when I said men didn’t want to sleep with women who had spent a decade sleeping with other men. That’s what set them off the most by far. The thought that we would hold it against them and their used up pussy, that’s so unfair because they don’t discriminate against well traveled dicks. They didn’t jump on the bandwagon either when I said the latter was their choice and they could choose to fuck AFC’s rather than YaReally and that would make things equal for both sexes. Oddly they want men to change their preferences rather than changing their own.

      I’m still digesting this nugget from Zuul which made a huge impression on me. She thinks that beta males are just pretending and being nice guys to get some pussy. She thinks that aggressive dicks are being authentic and we are really all aggressive dicks anyway, some just hiding it. How much more obvious could it be?

      Be an aggressive dick even if it’s an act, the girl tells herself you’re being authentic, you get the pussy. Maintain frame thereafter, she’ll think it’s authentic unless you convince her it’s not.

      And if you don’t put on the aggressive dick act, she’ll despise you for trying to lie your way into her panties and she’ll treat you like shit.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 10:42 am Grim

        go on okcupid or pof and look at profiles of (formerly) hot women aged 36 to 38. the ignorance on display there, the brainwashing by jew feminism they’ve had their entire lives, is nothing short of MIND BOGGLING. It’s ASTOUNDING. They will do things like say they want what their mom had and talk about how their dad has grown old with their dad. Never mind the fact that their dad married their mom when she was 22 so dad got the 15 good years of her youth, but pof woman aged 38 wants the beta to pay for her now after she gave it away for free from age 19-38 and grow old with her after she gave him NONE of her good years? So I have started trying to educate these women in this situation. I don’t succeed because they are not capable of getting it with their cute little mouse brains, but I tell them truth anyway. My profile is now HILARIOUS.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm Jay in DC

        I got banned from match.com for something similar. I was basically done w/ the site by that point anyhow but I wanted to go out in style. So I would firebomb these goofy bitches (30+) in email.

        Ironically, though, was what happened next. Most ignored me, many shot back with seething venom and hate, and some… wanted to get to know me better! LLLOOOLLL. I flirted with them and I’m sure could have easily gotten some bangs but why bother?

        Then I guess enough complained and I got perma-banned. Had some great fun in the weeks prior though launching incidiaries at out of control post wall hamsters.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 3:42 pm Jay in DC

        incendiaries— wouldn’t want to get ganked by the spelling/grammar nazi cat.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 10:02 am Grim

        ya all the dating sites are majorly controlled by the feminists who created them…. and all I have gotten from this technique (done this a few times with my profile) is butthurt ignorant venom. All my profile did was literally mirror the way the female profiles are: lecturing about “don’t call me if… you’re older than 28” lzozlzozozlzl . stuff like that. if all your pics are selfies in the mirror.

        in short, I wrote a profile that was like a male version of 80% of profiles written by attractive (in appearance) women…..that is seen as near-rape by the feminazis who control everything.

        I expect to get banned soon. I’m sure I’ve been reported.

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      • on January 8, 2014 at 5:22 pm walawala

        @Jay

        Same thing. A girl I was gaming on OK Cupid replied with something like “Sorry, i’ll leave this for the next lucky lady”.

        Me: Thanks, that’s cool, you’re a little out of my age range anyway, usually I date women below 30.

        Wow…she shot back with “White trash! Do you know who your mother is??”

        Reported me etc etc. I reported her. Next think I know, I can’t log in.

        Yah…good times.

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  74. on January 7, 2014 at 6:45 am JM

    A shy kid, girls mistook this for aloofness. So, as a good looking teen I had a lot of attention. As I got older I decided that I would be a nice guy, stop being so unreliable, dismissive, inattentive. Surely this would make me more successful with women? I then spent my 20’s being friend-zoned by girls who I was attracted to(still got attention from the wrong sort of girls, unattractive ones). My cousin, who shared my personality but not my looks, killed himself as he neared 40. Insufferably beta, or omega, whatever his diagnosis, it killed him in the end.

    No one told us how to behave. Just about every bit of advice we were given was wrong. There was a giant shit test and we failed. Submit to what women say they she want and disqualify yourself as a potential mate. Fucked up but true.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 10:00 am FamilyMan

      I am so sorry about your cousin.

      No doubt this stuff is important. My newest revelation is that women think “nice guy” is all fake and we’re assholes anyway. So when we fake an asshole demeanor, they think that’s genuine.

      That revelation came from an inadvertent admission in a hostile comment on thoughtcatalog.com that I linked just above.

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 7:13 pm Arbiter

        Yes, that is an interesting thought, FamilyMan. However, I don’t think being an “asshole” is the thing they expect hiding behind the “nice guy” mask. It is sexual interest they expect.

        However, this isn’t entirely true. CH posted a link in his post “Men Can’t Be Friends With (Attractive) Women” with an interesting study:

        http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends&page=2

        The study shows that most women really do think that their male “friends” are not interested in them sexually. Even while those male friends, who also answered the survey, actually were interested sexually.

        So what the woman said in the forum isn’t true for all women.

        I have had women object vehemently when I say guys only go dancing at night clubs because they want to sleep with the women there, not because they enjoy dancing with the women and chatting about meaningless things like where do you come from, what do you study, is it fun, etc.

        Many women refuse to believe it’s true that guys socialize with women at clubs because we want to have sex. They really do think guys are friends with them without wanting sex with them. They really believe in the Nice Guy mask. At least the majority of them do, as the study in the link shows.

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  75. on January 7, 2014 at 8:01 am Bucho

    Guy got the final shut down on New Years Eve. Although he probably went on to creep on another girl on FB, none the wise….

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  76. on January 7, 2014 at 8:26 am Frank the Wyowanderer

    That was painful.

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  77. on January 7, 2014 at 9:20 am auouywonz

    Notice how he got more “daring”in his statements as the days went by, as if sending the message brought them closer? The dude was inventing a dialogue between the two in his mind that progressed into pretty lady. He must have been egged on by friends.

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  78. on January 7, 2014 at 9:33 am Anonymous

    OT: http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2013/11/men-are-just-as-picky-as-women-about-who-theyd-date-if-theyre-the-ones-being-pursued/

    Study says men become just as picky as women when they are being pursued. What does that mean in terms of game? Trying to make the girl come to you gives you the advantage of them being less picky perhaps.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:35 pm Greg Eliot

      It’s all in the gravitational pull.

      “The moon brings the woman to the man… capice?“

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  79. on January 7, 2014 at 9:49 am Subarctic Hillbilly

    Some OT breakfast nutrition … woman writes dating profile of spoiled, psychotic narcissist (in the name of science) to see at what point men would stop messaging her. Predictable results (and hilarity) ensues.

    Note: She used pictures of her hot friend.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/01/07/worst-online-dating-profile-reed-newday.cnn.html

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  80. on January 7, 2014 at 10:03 am haunted trilobite

    From a mother’s urges to jump aboard the carousel at age 16, to the “bittersweet” quasi-spiritual ending in a castle for wizard-sleeved spinsters, the lonely traipse, from cradle to cougar town, of the entitlement SITC grrl is fully illustrated.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/?single_page=true

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 10:58 am Grim

      the ignorance there is astonishing :-/

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 11:38 am Greg Eliot

      as the economy evolves, it’s time to embrace new ideas about romance and family—and to acknowledge the end of “traditional” marriage as society’s highest ideal.

      Kate Bolick… hmmm… don’t know if she’s of the usual suspect variety, but she sure has the Cathedral litany/mentality down pat:

      1) The “Economy” takes the premier position in any discussion of a culture.

      2) Cheerlead the destruction of anything that acts as a bulwark against a host nation’s decay.

      3) All neatly wrapped in you’re-a-Neaderthal-if-you-don’t Judeo-Feminist newspeak: “embrace”, “acknowledge”, “new ideas”, etc. Not forgetting, of course, to put those parenthetical qualifies (rather than for the usual purpose of accentuating) around traditional, as if the term is bogus to begin with..

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 1:22 pm Hugh Mann

      Kate Bolick. Hasn’t she got a sister Anna ?

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      • on January 7, 2014 at 1:37 pm Greg Eliot

        Bolicks!

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  81. on January 7, 2014 at 10:20 am Grim

    29-year-old Miss Venezuela was married to 49 year old man.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/07/3856879/ex-miss-venezuela-and-telenovela.html

    Can’t be outside after dark in Venezuela. Is Colombia as bad?

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  82. on January 7, 2014 at 11:02 am Oh God, the Thirst… it’s Killing Me

    […] Cute girls are at risk of acquiring omega male stalkers if they don’t nip their amorous wooers in … […]

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  83. on January 7, 2014 at 11:31 am Grim

    CH add this to ur list of signs that civilization is nearing its end:

    http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/03/kate-winslet-defends-baby-name-tells-world-to-deal-with-it/?iref=obnetwork

    Bitch gives baby HER surname and tells world, “I can do what I want wah wah waaaah!!”

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  84. on January 7, 2014 at 1:02 pm Grim

    cool new background pic for the blog

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  85. on January 7, 2014 at 1:22 pm Grim

    the feminist view is simply the masculine view applied to women. Rather than follow a revolutionary course with truly feminine ideals, the feminists of his day and ours simply demand to have what men have. If men have careers, then women must have careers, for if men have economic independence women must have the same.

    It was quite clear to Chesterton that having a job might make a woman independent of husbands and families, but it also made them dependent on employers, dependent on wage-earning, and servants to a business as most men already were. The feminists, he said, always talk as if holding down a job

    were a beatific benefit first bestowed on men in a spirit of favouritism and then withheld from women in a spirit of repression.
    Today, the feminist view is starting to fade. More and more women are discovering that real happiness and “personal fulfillment” are not to be found in the factory or office, and that few jobs offer beatitude but, rather, boredom, drudgery and stress. Women are saying in ever greater numbers that they want marriage and family, and that they want to devote full time to it. Those who have to keep working wish it were otherwise. [J.P.]

    [For further reading in Chesterton’s works see “The Prudery of the Feminists,” Fancies Versus Fads; “Feminism or the Mistake about Woman,” What’s Wrong with the World; “Woman,” All Things Considered; “On Women Who Vote,” Avowals and Denials.]

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  86. on January 7, 2014 at 2:50 pm V

    OT but every time i start to get oneitis, i remind myself…
    she could be the one
    yes, the one… that yareally pooped on.

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 4:51 pm Greg Eliot

      Beyond The Valley Of The D(r)olls.

      F… T… W!

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  87. on January 7, 2014 at 3:49 pm seedux

    Some time lurker, first time poster.
    I’d appreciate comments on a situation i’m about to describe.
    Please bear with me, this is going to be long and forgive any linguistic anomalies, english isn’t my native language.
    ————————————————-
    Backround: There’s this coffee shop i frequently stop by to get a cup and flirt with the female staff. Three of them, 2 blonde 5’s and a brunette 8 (according to my tastes).
    They all respond in a genuinely welcoming manner and a couple of times i’ve cought them competing for my attention, at least when they’re not too busy with work. I’m obviously interested in the brunette -let’s call her Helen-, but i banter with all of them (one of the blondes is practically throwing herself at me and i’ve been using it to further my purpose).

    Keep in mind that i’m still going through a, shall we say, after-pill re-calibration phase.

    A couple of weeks ago, i decided to make a move and approach Helen when she has just finished work. I was waiting by her scooter that she parks across the street. Leaning against a phone booth, 5ft away from the scooter i saw one of the blondes passing by getting some vegetables for the cafe’s kitchen. It was shift-ending time. I called her over to me and asked her to say to Helen that i’d like to see how fast she really is (the previous day Helen made a point of telling me that she tries to be fast). She agreed and two minutes later, Helen arrives, moody, retracted and in a hurry.

    Me: You’re a bit late.

    Her: So you want to see how fast i am?

    Me: Come over here, i want to tell you something.

    Her: So say it.

    Me: (raising my voice) Are you going to make me yell?

    Her: (with a surprised smile) You want me to come there?

    Me: (pointing at the pavement spot infront of me) Yes. Right here.

    Her: No, i’m not coming.

    Me: (sternly) Allright, then i’m coming.

    When i moved in close, she immediately lowered her head and would not face me.

    Me: (softening my voice) You seem upset, look at me.

    When we actually locked eyes, she blushed and took the cutest girlish expression, wide smile and all.

    Me: I want your phone number.

    Her: (raising her head, cocky smile) Nah, i don’t give it away.

    Me: Oh yeah? is it a collector’s item or something?

    Her: Maybe, i haven’t thought about it this way.

    Me: Are you saying that you’re taken?

    Her: Yeah, i’m engaged.

    Me: Is that so? Well then, good for you for not giving it away i guess.

    This is where i lost the frame and she must have immediately sensed it cause her expression hardened and she smiled triumphantly.
    After a few seconds of insignificant chatter i smiled and walked away.
    She reciprocated with the same shy and wide smile she had earlier.

    Fast forward to today: I stopped by the cafe and there she was, we said hi’s and she immediately snapped into bitch mode, i swear i could see the shit test forming in front of my eyes.

    Her: (coldly) How do you take your coffee again? Remind me.

    Me: (squinted and looked at her with disbelief) Is that so?

    Her: Yeah i just remember that you take it light on the milk.

    Me: Do you remember my name?

    (at this point i must have taken some kind of ‘bitch don’t give me that shit’ expression because she got taken aback and the cold shoulder mode wore off.)

    Her: Would you like me to call -blonde’s name- to make your coffee? You’re acting weird.

    Me: (smiling) Nah, don’t be so sensitive. One black sugar.

    Blonde from the back: Morning Seedux, nice new haircut!

    Me: Hey good morning, thanks!

    Her: (adressing the blonde) He’s had it for days.

    Me: This you remember.

    Her: I noticed it. As for your name i never asked that’s why i didn’t know.

    Me: (jokingly) Ah so you’re a visual dudette.

    Her: (by now soft and lovey) Are you mocking me?

    Me: I’ve no reason to.

    Her: People say i’m selfish. Me, i don’t know.

    Me: No reason to mock you. Besides, you’re giving me that coffee for free.

    Her: (with an ‘did he just fucking say that’ expression) why?

    Me: Because even the selfish give away.

    Her: (lowers head, tone of voice almost whispering) …even the selfish give away…

    Me: (taking coffee) Thanks!

    Her: (regaining her composure and going into bitch mode again) Either pay or don’t.

    I just walked away with a happy smile.

    ——————————————————-

    So what’s your take people?

    :

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    • on January 7, 2014 at 5:00 pm V

      “I was waiting by her scooter that she parks across the street.”

      Well ffs thats better than hiding in the bushes

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    • on January 8, 2014 at 9:25 am newly aloof

      I left this Juggler method somewhere in this post but I’ll post it again for you and reference a specific line you should have used:

      http://m4ker.free.fr/Essential%20Seduction/%5BJuggler%5D_The_Juggler_Method_Encyclopedia_%28Second_Edition%29.pdf

      ““`
      Girl: “I would like that too but I’m getting married next week.”
      You: “I’m disappointed but congratulations. How did he propose?”
      It’s better to admit how you feel and move on rather than attempt to hide it.
      ““`

      You acted all butt-hurt when you found out “your” girl was engaged, but you should have come right out and stated how you feel about her prior to that. If you would have said the above line, if she ever decided not to marry that dude, you could have banged her.

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  88. on January 7, 2014 at 4:37 pm Galnuc

    Is it Alpha or Beta to not be able to read that fb chat without grimacing and having to stop every so often? I just couldn’t do it, I am not a masochist by nature

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  89. on January 7, 2014 at 6:59 pm Arbiter

    Why do women insert “literally” in everything? In the girl’s response to the Desperate Male she writes “literally just cut it out”.

    They use “literally” because the weight in that word comes from not meaning something as a figure of speech. It also sounds academic in a way. So girls like to sprinkle their speech with it, but they use it without thinking of what it actually means. And because everyone else does.

    If he would do it “literally”, he would cut out the text from Facebook with a knife. She means it as a figure of speech.

    Other examples are:

    “He was literally my best friend” — How could be be her best friend as a figure of speech? And since he can’t, why the need to point that he was her best friend “literally”?

    “I was literally so wasted” — No, you were literally “drunk”, and only “wasted” as a figure of speech.

    “That literally blew my mind” — If only….

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  90. on January 7, 2014 at 11:02 pm Lightning Round – 2014/01/08 | Free Northerner

    […] Beta males create hypergamy. Related: How not to message a women. […]

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  91. on January 8, 2014 at 3:43 pm Derzu Uzala

    For those of you that can read spanish (beyond misspellings, grammar horrors and latam slang) there is a whole site dedicated to the omegas in this life called “You Will Not Fuck Me This Way” : asinomevasacoger.com

    It shows social network interactions like the one in this post (even worse).

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  92. on January 8, 2014 at 4:36 pm Anonymous

    I feel sorry for the guy, poor dude. Unfortunately I used to be him. Didn’t have a clue; till a friend wised me up and broke it down for me, he explained the real deal about woman. That explains why my girlfriend left, stupid me believing everything they said. I know better now; so much so that I donate to this site to keep others informed. Thank you CH, wish I would have known about this site years ago. Keep it up CH,,,,

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  93. on January 8, 2014 at 9:59 pm nobody

    Did he not stop when asked?

    She could have asked him to stop earlier, y’know.

    In fact, she literally said “its okayyy.” If it’s not okay, just say it’s not okay.

    Someone tell me how she’s the victim here?

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  94. on January 10, 2014 at 1:09 pm cheers

    “yareally” is the best commentator. it’s almost as if he’s touched a female human before. the rest of you are faggots.

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  95. on January 10, 2014 at 1:26 pm Anon

    I laughed nearly just as hard the second time i read this, of course i’m partly envisioning the host fabricating this, particularly with the repetitive, “i’m not the type to try anything, unless that’s what the person wants.” Reminded me of what vomit tastes like. That line could be savageable with a, ” im not going to try anything…i’m saving myself for marriage like Tebow” assuming there was an actual exchange going on, which there never really was.

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  96. on January 24, 2014 at 9:31 pm tois95

    this guy is not human, it’s some sort of robotic, alienic invasion of disgustingness that came from not this planet.

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