When did the pussification of America’s men begin? Speculating on this sort of thing is always fun, but it serves a larger purpose: If we can identify the origin of the Ascended Testes Era, we can theoretically reverse it.
One reader believes he has an answer,
I was just thinking back to my early 20s, when I found myself married to the dumpy chick I knocked up. [ed: pre-game, natch] I did what was expected of me at the time, which meant marriage, and it meant Lamaze classes, and La Leche League, and all this girlie baby nurturing liberal SWPL crap I’m sure pajama boy would totally embrace in his plaid onesie.
There was only one other father in the Lamaze classes. All the pretty girls were there with a friend or a neighbor or a mother, and the only two fathers there were with dumpy average looking chicks. The other guy was such a wuss he kept passing out during the videos, and his wife had to revive him repeatedly. (They eventually had like six kids, and are still together as far as I know.)
Yeah, beta males may have slightly more kids on average than do alpha males, but would you want to be a beta? (Procreation Pusher: “wouldn’t you like to be a beta too… be a beta, doooon’t be a playa…) No, I think I’ll skip out on the incomparable joy of loading up the belly of a frump.
I’ve been reflecting on the whole Lamaze thing, and how hot girls don’t have babies with guys who would go through that kind of crap in the first place. Can you see Mystery in Lamaze classes? I can’t.
Where was Tywin Lannister when his kids were being born? The same place my father was, and my grandfather, and every man back for thousands of years. Smoking cigarettes and letting the women handle woman’s work.
I blame Lamaze for the pussification of America. It all starts with dads going “hee hee hee hooooooo” with their dumpy wives. It really does.
Besides, blood, shit, and gore belong on the battlefield, not in the vagina you’re fucking. No man should ever have to see that. History had this right.
Lamaze was invented by a French fop in the 1940s, and gained cultural traction in the US a decade later. In the annals of herstory, I’m sure a few alpha males were hornswoggled into attending a Lamaze class (which they undoubtedly instantly regretted), but those men who agreed to attend without a fight or, worse, who happily jumped at the opportunity, are truly the most beta of betas.
No man worth his two taters will enjoy any aspect of the Lamaze spectacle. I bet a man’s T level drops 300% as soon as he steps foot in a Lamaze classroom. And given that betas are already short a couple liters of T, they can’t afford to have their precious reserves siphoned off by the sight of distended bellies, pork roll camel toes, and red-faced plumpers method acting the passing of a gargantuan turd.
So, yeah, there is obviously some selection bias going on with regard to the types of men who can be found empathy birthing in a Lamaze class. More telling is what this reader noticed about the hotness of the pregnant women who weren’t with their men. What he observed was a female selection bias that complemented and reinforced the male selection bias: Hot babes have more choice in men, and they invariably choose high value alpha males who are the least likely to sit through an insufferable Lavaje class. These alphas could be captains of industry with no time for Lamaze silliness, or they could be dominant personalities who won the test of wills contest. Either way, it shows that hot women — women who have, after all, an incredible array of sexual market options — will choose insensitive sociopaths before new age sensitive empaths.
Lamaze was probably not a cause of the emasculation of American men, but it was a harbinger. All those betas lining up to hee hee ho with their women were castrates in a coal mine. A mere fifty years later, we have Youtube videos of bronies coming out with their stuffed animal lovers.

For generations upon generations, the elder matriarch of the family would send the men as far away from a woman birthing a child as she could before getting elbow deep placenta and baby juice. The women took instinctive control of this task and wouldn’t let men anywhere near it under pain of death.
Gone are those days because the men are now expected to deal with the most womanly of womanly tasks. I’ve told women that I will be in the waiting room with a bottle of scotch, they act all offended but they know it is best.
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Lamaze is a fucking saint compared to the witches of the La Leche League.
Those evil cunts will try to bite your balls right off and eat them with a nice Chianti.
It’s a shame, because I strongly approve of the idea of breast feeding, simply because it forces a mother to spend some actual physical serious one-on-one time with her baby.
Rather than just dumping the poor baby in daycare warehousing, at 06:30AM, and leaving it there until 19:45PM, each and every day.
Maybe the idea of the LLL is to be so hatefully and nastily and cruelly obnoxious that they’ll turn off all women to the idea of breast feeding and staying at home?
A little bit of reverse psychology by the Tribe which brought you Feminaziism?
I wouldn’t put it past ’em.
PS: It helps to be an actual man in the delivery room, when the Attending Obstetrician is a female and the young pediatric resident is a worthless fucking sodomite [just like his Attending Pediatrician – fancy that].
Sometimes when the shit gets real, and decisions need to be made in seconds, you need both a man’s muscles and a man’s strength of will to reveal themselves and take control of the God-damned situation.
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Can you give an example of your PS.?
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You’ve got a huge baby coming out of the birth canal of a huge mother and some tiny little cunt of a female Obstetrician – who probably couldn’t bench press 75 lbs if her life depended on it – happens to be the Attending on call that day, and things start going all to hell, and you’re the only man in the room, and the mother is screaming bloody murder because the worthless obnoxious good-for-nothing YKW anesthesiologist couldn’t get the damned epidural started, and you have to hold the mother’s entire body in your arms to get a delivery at all [which, among other things, means that your biceps need to be stronger than her thighs – like a whole lot stronger], and when the baby finally comes squirting out, it isn’t crying because it isn’t even breathing, and it ends up with shit for an APGAR score, and the dumbfuck second year sodomite pediatric resident, who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, just sits there staring off into space like a fucking retard while all hell is breaking loose around him.
At least we had an attending Obstetrician in the room.
And a respiratory therapist who could get some oxygen in the poor child.
Things get really horrible if some idiot resident has to pull the baby out and then try to figure out how to oxygenate it afterwards.
This ain’t the 1950s anymore, where Marcus Welby is suddenly gonna walk right through the door, and wave his magic wand, and make everything all hunky-dory for the baby and its mother.
Modern medicine and modern surgery are disintegrating into chaos just like every other aspect of our society.
Oh, and obligatory AAPLOG FTW:
http://www.aaplog.org/aaplog-physician-directory/
Get yourself a male AAPLOG member as your Attending, who can bench press 200+ lbs without even straining.
And make sure that he’s on call the day that the baby decides to pop out.
And pray that there’s a halfway decent Attending Pediatrician in the room, not his good-for-nothing worthless sodomite second-year resident, who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.
And an experienced respiratory therapist who understands the importance of oxygen to the continuation of life on earth.
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> “and you’re the only man in the room, and the mother is screaming bloody murder because the worthless obnoxious good-for-nothing YKW anesthesiologist”‘
I guess it goes without saying that the “worthless obnoxious good-for-nothing YKW anesthesiologist” doesn’t count as a “man”.
Hell, I haven’t even described hardly 50% of the shit that I know happened [much less that I suspect probably happened] in about fifteen minutes that day.
But let’s just leave it at that.
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All I can say is wow. Just wow.
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Do you have any experience with Midwives?
I know a few, and they seem to know their shit, but then again I have no experience with birthing so I can’t make a judgement call on them.
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Wow. I don’t think I would be able to restrain myself from punching the Obstetrician’s face in once the baby came out if that were my wife and baby.
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Two quick points:
1) There are OUTSTANDING people in medicine and surgery, and there are HORRIBLE people in medicine and surgery. Try to get as close as possible to the best people, and as far away as possible from the worst people. [Which means that, first and foremost, you need to get yourself an AAPLOG Attending. And then hope that he’s on call when the baby comes out.]
2) Highly Un-PC, but IQ correlates with brain size, which, in turn, correlates with head circumference.
Also, I doubt that there are more than a handful of dudes who frequent this board with IQs less than 120, and most dudes seem a whole lot smarter even than that, so I’m talking to you:
Those smart babies of yours are gonna tend to have much larger heads than the babies of the typical IQ-70 welfare queen from Detroit, and a natural vaginal child birth is gonna tend to be a helluva lot more traumatic for your woman, pushing out a smart baby, than it is for Detroit Welfare Mama, pushing out her baby with an IQ of 70.
Again, not at all PC, but an honest OB-GYN [who felt that it was safe to even open his mouth and speak of it in the first place] will agree with everything which I just wrote.
Finally, just hope and pray that the only person in the room with you is NOT a 1st-year intern, or, God forbid, some complete retard who is still just a medical student.
The more experience you have in the room with you, the better.
And the more pounds they can bench press, the better.
You want to be surrounded by smart, experienced, physically powerful, sober and serious and upstanding MEN when the SHTF.
Motherfuckers who can put two hands on the captain’s wheel and guide the ship home safely through the Nor’easter.
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Thumbs up, Zombie
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I have never even considered the head diameter to intelligence ratio aspect.
That’s a good point.
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Makes me smile too. Hell on the wife’s vajayjay, but both of mine were big babies with big heads, and they’re very bright young adults now.
Zombie forgot the part where the attending whips out a scalpel and blood goes spurting all over the ceiling. Big heads are hard to deliver.
She never had any anesthesia, because the babies simply came too fast. That one could have plopped out an entire army like a Tijuana hooker squirting out ping-pong balls, but after she forced me to sire the second one (went off the pill, told everybody at work; I was the last to know) I forced her to get her tubes tied.
Ol’ Troubadour’s baby shooter still works. I have half a mind to make more kids, and choose better breeding stock this time. Honestly, I never got into this game stuff or was that unhappily married while my kids were little and needed a dad. I was a damn good dad. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Little League, Dixie League, all that shit. But now I’m just stuck with a frumpy fat woman, and my kids having seen the hell I went through, have vowed they will never make me any grandchildren.
My son is actually a 20 year old virgin who has never been on any kind of a date, and he just recently bought himself a Fleshlight.
Well, at least he has a job.
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Any baby with a head too large to exit the birth canal probably has other problems which will retard its health and survival.
In addition, babies have “soft heads”; the skull plates can shift, move…
Finally, pregnant women produce an enzyme that loosens/softens the cartalige of their major joints.
Also, some white people say Neanderthal man had a larger brain than homo sapiens?
is that true?
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The Cro-Magnon had a larger cranium, not Neaderthal… 1600cc, if memory serves.
I always had the sneaking suspicion most of you “ha-ha, YT’s Neaderthal!” jokesters mistook to the two.
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Greg Eliot
I always had the sneaking suspicion most of you “ha-ha, YT’s Neaderthal!” jokesters mistook to the two.
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Hold on; the entire purpose of YTs Neanderthal “boosterism” is because he was only found in Europe until he fell off; around the same time KRS1 showed up.
Are you saying the first Europeons should be hung from trees?
Do you ever think about when you outta here?
Mastadon and reindeer outta here?
Stone tools and spear tips outta here?
No doubt C-Mag is old school, but we ain’t goin’ out!
Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6L1AIpA8MM
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A high forehead is also a sign of intelligence. Both traits are outward indicators of a large cranial capacity.
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If people had seen half the number of day cares I did at one time, they would never take a child they were truly concerned with to one. I did sales for a computer education company 20 years or so ago, targeted at day cares, after school programs and Montessori schools. I can guarantee I have seen more of them the most concerned parent you will ever meet. The germs, fighting, learning vulgarities in general, and generally poor environment are a horrible thing to put your child through. Socialization? BS. They are an excuse. I won’t even go into the list of reports of abuse and neglect by daycare workers.
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> Lamaze is a fucking saint compared to the witches of the La Leche League.
I’m delighted to hear somebody else say something like that, Zombie Shane.
My introduction to fatherhood was listening to that bitch from LLL spew all this stuff about “the milk will come in” and “never give up” and all that. She towed the party line to the point where my son was literally going to DIE.
An old friend who is basically my godmother held my new infant son and said, “It doesn’t look like he’s getting enough to eat.” (I mean, I was a 22 year old who just graduated with a BA in liberal arts; what the fuck did I know about rearing babies?)
I got the expensive breast pump out and stuck it on my dumpy wife’s tits, and turned the suction up to the maximum. She was shrieking and screaming in agony, “GET IT OFF GET IT OFF!” and milk was just dribbling out. I think I got like 1/2 oz. out of both tits.
I sucked on her tits myself, trying to prime the pump, so to speak. Ptooey! You guys with tit milk fetishes can keep that bullshit.
At the end of the day, I broke open the seal on the evil can of baby formula the “corporate illuminati” forced the hospital to send home, and my kid ate his first real meal, several days after he was born. He drank 4 oz. immediately.
I blame the Lamaze phenomenon for the pussification of America (I sent CH the email) but at the same time, if I hadn’t been through all that gay faggy bullshit, I would have ended up going up the river for parental neglect. My fat useless piece of shit wife sure never had a fucking clue.
You’d just kind of expect the MOTHER to have instincts about this kind of thing, wouldn’t you?
And people try to make me feel ashamed of myself for cheating on her while I scrape together enough pennies to pay my way into the trailer next to the meth lab that has my name on it.
Spit.
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Lamaze or LLL would never have gained any traction without the Left immediately discrediting men for starting WWII. People in the US have no real concept of this and its impact can’t be overstated. Remember the real men were mostly dead in Germany and Russia in 1946. No one was left to rebut the arguments, at least not out in the open.
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The La Leche League titnazis aren’t Lefties. They’re anti-feminists, in a big way. They’re all about breastfeeding exclusively and for pretty much fucking forever. They don’t even like feeding breastmilk out of bottles, so nobody else besides the mother can look after the kid. That means the woman is essentially chained to her child, unable work outside the home for up to four years. (Yes, they’re into breastfeeding until the kid is old enough for kindergarten, it’s disgusting. If the kid is old enough to ask for the tit in English, the kid’s too old for it.)
My niece had the same problem Troubador’s kid had. She just wasn’t getting enough to eat, and the jaundice she was born with was getting worse and worse. The LLL cunt had the nerve to try and shame my sister for feeding the kid formula. Which worked out well for her, because she now has a couple of new assholes from which to shit, courtesy of Auntie RappaccinisDaughter.
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Kindergarten is its own special evil. Who are most fitted to bring up children? Other children? Of course not. Children steal from each other and beat up or get beaten up by other children in kindergarten.
Research shows that children become more peaceful, secure, more mature, more social with other children and do far better in school when they have spent their childhood with their mothers instead of at kindergarten. Kindergarten should be forbidden.
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^^ This.
I educated myself on birth when my wife had our first. We would have had him at home, but a complication required that we deliver in the hospital.
As a man, you must remember that if the Sickcare industry had their way they would section and head home, and rack those charges up as high as possible. Plus all the shit they do to a kid nowadays, including genetic sampling and genetic research (http://mchb.hrsa.gov/programs/newbornscreening/index.html) you will be blessing your offspring by keeping them out of the clutches of .Gov.
Most men don’t have the balls to stand up to a doctor and tell them what they want. Docs and nurses count on the mom being doped up; they can do anything they want. Historical birthing was done with women and midwives who gave a shit. That is not the case with modern medicine. There is a big role for a red pill in the delivery room.
I get hot under the collar on this subject, because if you intentionally make that baby you should understand everything that you’ve done, and that means the gore that goes along with it. Same with killing. You are in control, so maintain your frame and don’t slink away like a pussy just because some doc or nurse tells you something. Even if it’s an emergency, it’s not a command.
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Remove the ^^This part, was replying to Zombie Shane
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I know a few modern Midwives. It sounds like they know their shit. All they post on facebook about is catching babies at all hours of the day.
Frankly, it sounds like one of the best possible careers a woman can take up. She deals with nothing but women and newborns, it is uniquely challenging to where she has to be smart and know her shit, and it constantly reminds her of what her true purpose and function on this planet is for.
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Another great topic that actually teaches the standard doctrine around here: men being expected to perform women’s roles. If you even joke to a nurse today that you won’t be in the delivery room, she’ll get all offended.
Anyway I was there for the birth of both of my kids. Big mistake for the reasons mentioned by others. Also, I made the mistake of looking “down there.” Just couldn’t help myself. There was no curtain to make a physical divider; I was just expected, I guess, to stay looking at her face.
Guess what? I actually think that’s a big part of the reason for my divorce–which happened only 18 months after the 2nd one was born. After seeing that, it was, frankly, difficult to enjoy having sex with my wife. I actually thought, there is no way that could have healed the way it used to be and it must hurt or bother her or something. (The birth had complications–my kid, who is now one of the few non-obese kids BTW, was almost 9 pounds and 22 1/2 inches, vaginal birth, the epidural didn’t work, similar to some stories below…doctor was clueless, wife almost bled to death.)
I believe this–although not the only reason–is a big reason why sex lives inside marriages suffer after kids. Not only the standard troupe about kids taking all your time and energy and no privacy–it’s men having been in the birthing room. As stated above, that’s simply not supposed to be the case and all prior generations knew that until the cursed men of Gen X (again).
To some extent this has made me more “alpha” today (by some of your definitions) by default. I find the idea of having sex with any single mother who had a vaginal birth to be quite unappealing. I know what happened to her V. I saw it. It’s a SERIOUS MEDICAL EVENT that should not be witnessed by the man who is supposed to resume having sex with that woman. (Reason I say this is near-alpha is it’s the opposite of some of you who see single moms as easy sex targets—I’m not interested in that.)
Now you might say—overlooking other factors mentioned below—that in the days of Little House on the Prairie 19th century, a couple would have 8 kids. Yes, but as stated above… the man did not witness the birth and literally was not quite aware (although he can know the size of a baby’s head and do the math) exactly what happened to his wife’s V, if you know what I mean.
The birth of my first kid was very traumatic for her, I witnessed it, to this day I think about it nearly every day and I appreciate what she went through. But that literally was a big factor in us having a terrible sex life afterwards. I literally could not have sex with her after that without thinking about what I had seen.
Gen X men have been fucked in every way imaginable by Feminism.
P.S. I did not attend a Lamaze class (neither did my ex wife), but witnessing the births was bad enough.
Keeping things on CH themes, again, the point is that this is something past generations knew, whereas modern nurses will literally get offended if you suggest or joke that you won’t be in the room. You will get the evil eye (that’s what I got with the 2nd one—much easier birth BTW).
God damn it, why couldn’t I have discovered the red pill 8 years ago? I was so beta—they clueless blue pill beta who was beta on purpose thinking it was the right thing. I know for a fact that if there was a CH and I discovered it in 2003 I could have a happy marriage right now.
The birth is the women’s (not a typo—all of the women as stated above) job—she should be surrounded by her sister, mom, nurses, whatever, and the man should be in the waiting room.
My dad—who is otherwise super beta—was watching a football game (not even in the hospital) when I was born. Even a beta from the prior generation is almost automatically more alpha than us poor brainwashed Gen Xers. (dad has been married to mom about 40 years—never cooks, never cleans—he’s actually more alpha than I realize because that’s how it was, of course).
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just tossed this up over at alphagameplan. I agree totally btw. American men are pussies.
“I think that our American Civil War and the Industrial Revolution was disastrous from an evolutionary perspective, as it wiped out a thousand generations of constantly refined High T men (Google Civil War soldiers and look at their faces) and has allowed the males of today to not only pollute a normally self correcting evolutionary cycle (see the numerous articles on “Gay Face” or just observe 95% of American males), but create an environment where the schism of estrogen vs. testosterone is accelerating at the logarithmic pace that one should expect.”
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The American Civil War was disastrous because the bad guys won.
And both the Consitution and the very idea of constitutionality died with their victory.
Furthermore, I’ll take the Industrial Revolution, over the parasite class of FIRE [finance, insurance, real estate], any damned day of the week.
Henry Ford [one of the greatest Americans who ever lived] had a thing or two to say about those blood-sucking leeches.
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Henry Ford [one of the greatest Americans who ever lived]
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It is amazing how bringing up his name will get you EVIL looks from the polite crowd. It’s at the point where Henry Ford can’t even be mentioned as a “captain of industry” or as one of the most important businessmen the USA has ever had. I highly doubt that the USA would’ve been as effective in WW2 if the Ford factories weren’t there to crank out military gear.
Instead the polite crowd would rather gush over Elon Musk and his expensive toys, the creeps who started SnapChat, and Fuckerberg and his FWD bullshit.
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Westerners have been brainwashed into never naming those of whom we may not speak.
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Musk will probably put humans on Mars. Tesla is just a side-project for him and he’s almost ready to sell it off. He spends most days at the Space-X plant.
I’ve known several people that have worked there and that’s what they’ve reported.
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ar10308
Musk will probably put humans on Mars.
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or fake it and laugh (all the way to the bank) while fools like you sing his praises.
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So what’s he waiting for?
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Thwack ain’t gonna believe YT’s on the moon ’til somebody bring him some o’ dat green cheese.
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ar10308
So what’s he waiting for?
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Your pension.
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Amen. Truer words have not been spoken. May the South rise again!
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Zombie,
Do you read iTulip? That’s the first place I heard FIRE and the only one I see it referred that way regularly.
Just Curious
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“logarithmic” – You mean exponential. Well I’m an engineer by trade.
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i have an issue with that definition so i waffle. sometimes the scale being used seems more valuable. i dunno.
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“You were the one who wanted a child”
“Ask one of your L’ Amaaaaazing gal pals to huff along at class.
I’ll be out killing impala with the other male lions so you and the ankle biter will have something to eat when you get home.
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ar10308:
The smart butcher will not allow the patrons to watch the sausage being made.
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I watched both sons come out. No faggoty classes though. If I did go to one, I would have employed one of my favorite questions for pregnant women: “So what are you naming him? Kuato?” It’s better on Facebook, because you can then post the clip of Total Recall.
I asked the OB/Gyn if I could cut the cord with “Stick Around”. He said I could if it could pass through the autoclave.
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I’m guessing that Zombie Shane gives major props to the dude with 6 children
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Oh hell yes.
As long as they’re white.
Or, if they’re not white, as long as their daddies are named Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, or Ben Carson.
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This!
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I’m with Random Guy – politically.
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Hey, Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams have written some pretty good stuff at LewRockwell.com. Things only Black guys can write without being called “racist”, so the Left must hate them.
Never let it be said that White men don’t appreciate good men in other races. In fact, I think we are the ones who have the most genuine respect for other races. Not the kind of respect the Left has, which is “I pretend that other races are great and live ‘in harmony with nature’ and have never had wars and slavery, because it suits my anti-White purposes”.
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Arbiter
Never let it be said that White men don’t appreciate good men in other races.
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Thats not the issue.
Its BETTER men you have a problem with.
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Aw, geez… thwack still thinks racism exists because YT is “just jealous”.
Once again, two steps back for ol’ black thwack.
I bet if you can convince the bruthas to give the ol’ college try to that “content of character” thing your ilk and your Cathedral handlers love to tout… especially in this month of January… you might find we like you fellows a whole helluva lot more when y’all behave yo’selfs.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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Amen.
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Or James David Manning.
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Reminds me of my observation that you can tell how long a relationship has been going on based on the position of the male relative to the female whilst the latter is shopping. Next to her carrying her shopping bags ? A month or less than a month. At a corner of the shop where she is in ? A few months. Outside the shop where she is in ? A year or so. Somewhere else in the mall ? Longer than a year but under three or four. Somewhere else completely ? More than a few years.
Lately, everytime I see a woman shopping for clothes or groceries, her man is invariably right next to her – often pushing the stroller or herding the bigger kids. Hell of a lot more than previously. I guess the pussification is well and truly underway.
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I was just saying this the other night. WHY do so many couples shop together?? It clogs up the aisles. I think grocery shopping is a pain and so does he. So why should we both suffer?
Although, maybe men like to grocery shop with their wives/girlfriends so they can make sure to get the food they like.
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It’s mostly the getting of desired things to eat. The other aspect (at least for me) is monitoring the outflow of additional resources spent on impulse purchases.
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I check out the hot housewives.
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I snicker at the family of 4 with a screaming kid trying to push the cart and a crying kid seat belted to the cart and the mom staring ambivalently at the items on the shelf while the dad tries to reason with a 5 year old who is not strong enough to push the cart. Then how the toys and candy is right by the cash register. The grocery store here gives free candy to kids. Ugh. I can put together a shopping list, then motor though the store at off peak hours and drop a Benjamin in crap in 7 minutes 45 seconds.
Tangent: I was talking to my grandpa about when he noticed things starting to change; when militant feminism started to take hold. He did not even pause to think about it, he said it was right before Regan took office. He said, women used to work until they got married, but it was always low level jobs, but once women got married it was not socially acceptable for them to work, and was frowned upon. Once married the woman stopped working. He then went on to say that the economy was soo bad that women were forced to keep working. Once women started working then there was competition, competition led to more women going to college, and then the wound festered. A little about my grandpa, he is a registered republican who voted for obama 2x, but is anti union. He thinks people dont like obama just cuz they are black. Very traditional and conservative in how he lives his life, but liberal in his political views.
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Hey, you get seen with a sexy girlfriend. Plus, women always like to do things together outside the house. Going grocery shopping is cheaper than taking her to a restaurant or the movies, and it makes more sense.
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Back when I still paid attention to the wife’s complaints, she shit-tested me about how many ‘tasks’ she had to do.
When she mentioned “shopping”, I told her I’d take the four kids with me and do the shopping and “give her a break”.
“Just make me a list of what you want.”
Mind you, she used to take about 3 hours to get the task done, on a good day.
For three weeks, I took the tribe (ages 4 to 9) to the grocery store and we made a game out of it… I’d give each of ’em something to fetch and then they would hunt around for it and bring it back.
Obviously, I kept a sharp eye on the two youngest and made sure their targeted treasures were in the same isle where I stood.
Afterwards on the way home, we’d stop for ice cream.
Total time spent: 1 1/2 hours, everyone coming home happy and giddy about who found what the fastest.
When wifey saw how fast and efficient and fun it all was, she went back to doing the shopping.
I don’t think she ever truly forgave me for making my point.
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We? WE? Who is the lucky fella! 🙂
In my case, he goes to make sure there is enough meat (as opposed to “rabbit food”) brought into the house 🙂
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or daydreaming about an alternate life a la Walter Mitty.
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This is ridiculous. Maybe I went to the wrong Lamaze class, but all we did was watch a video and then the teacher explained the phases of labor and what to expect. We were NOT sitting on a bunch of pillows and making strange noises. Mom is the one that does the breathing. Dad’s job is to make Mom, who’s in an awful lot of pain, focus on him, and use fingers to signal when to breathe. If Mom screws this up, then SHE can pass out, or she’ll push too soon and tear up her vagina and hemorrage. I know Lamaze is a recent phenomenon of the 20th century, but a lot of women (and babies) died in childbirth in centuries past.
My wife wanted a childbirth without drugs, because she was worried about complications to the baby and possible spinal side effects from an epidural. Lamaze is useful in natural childbirth for the reasons above. On the other hand if the woman is drugged up and feels nothing, then in my opinion there’s no real point to it.
But the class itself was helpful, because it taught me to pay attention to how far apart the contractions were, and the duration, even if my wife was not paying attention to these things. SHE was thinking and acting crazy that morning (trying to make me breakfast while running back and forth to the bathroom to double over from contractions). Finally, I recognized this situation for what it was, took control, threw her stuff in the trunk, directed her to throw the rest of her unpacked shit in a shopping bag, grabbed her, and physically deposited her in the car…for the longest 20 minute drive to the hospital ever.
And let me tell you, driving requires almost laser focus when your wife is having transition-phase contractions every 2 minutes, and she’s screaming and crying from the pain right next to you. Every stoplight feels like they’re 5 minutes long. But my wife was not screaming at me, she was apologizing for being “a total mess” in her words.
But she was almost 10 cm dilated by the time we got to the hospital, and my daughter was born less than 2 hours later. Next time, we won’t wait as long. I should have been up earlier that morning, but I had been up late putting together a woodworking jointer in my garage and I set my alarm for an hour later than normal.
[CH: The usefulness of Lamaze neither argues for or against the betaness of men who dutifully sit through the classes. This judgment is strictly an attitudinal one.]
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Hire a doula next time. Expecting your husband to be the birth coach is way too much of a burden. And a doula won’t let you scream. It’s counterproductive and wastes energy. I know what i’m talking about. Trust me.
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I don’t think I went to any Lamaze class before my kids birth, but I can’t swear to it, because it would have been something I hated so much I wouldn’t have remembered it 3 months later. Regardless, I was there for the birth of our kids, despite my thinking it was a dumb idea to watch a small human come out of my wife’s vagina. A pussy is a beautiful thing. Birth is not. Men were not made to be there, a spectator to their child’s birth. Nor are husbands any help in the process. The whole idea is absurd. Nevertheless, there was never any question in the doctor and nurses mind that I’d be there. So there I was.
But I did not move from my spot beside my wife’s head. I did *not* look at this miracle occur. No thank you. And you know what they did? Out comes the kid, the nurse holds her up high, and says, “You have a girl! But you can’t hold her, oh no. Gotta go clean her up first.” So, I held her for the first time back in my wife’s room. Boy, it sure was good that I was there!
It’s all bullshit, JCC — from the classes to the birth. It’s all about making your brilliant wife the absolute center of your attention — but don’t forget the camera, so she can be the center of *everybody’s* attention!
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Addendum: Now I remember: no, I definitely was *not* at any Lamaze or other birth coaching class. Good for me. I told my wife to bring me back a book.
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I just don’t remember the class being a big deal. It was 2 hours on a weeknight, and then we went out for dinner afterwards. I wasn’t particularly looking forward to it, but it wasn’t unpleasant. It was taught by a conservative older grandma (not some brainless hippie), who really just presented the facts in a very straight-forward, no nonsense way.
My feeling was, it was payback for her accompanying me on certain activities she cheerfully attended, which she might not have been otherwise inclined to attend (Car shows, college footbal games in pouring rain, etc).
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I saw complete birth films a couple of times in college. These were pretty close to being there without all the excitement. You’re right, it could make you lose interest in your wife’s pussy if you thought of it too much. It’s not unlike the Exorcist. They’re a pretty amazing muscle group though. Most will be back in good form if the woman takes the effort.
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repent and be saved. no man ever.
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Betas have more kids. But are they all theirs?
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I’d argue that Beta’s have more kids…with the same woman.
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Here’s why I would recommend men attend birthing (not Lamaze crap) class with their wives. A one time event, not ongoing feminine mystic indoctrination….anyway:
Most decent women want the experience or bragging rights of doing natural childbirth (no painkillers for those of you who are childless). In the class we attended, the SWPL women happily said they’ll be drugging themselves up at the first opportunity. The hotter and more submissive ones seemed to want to have a go at natural, because it is a little better for the baby to not get drugged to the hilt when so young.
The instructor advised those who wanted natural to have a backup plan in case during delivery you changed your mind (imagine, a woman changing her mind). My wife didn’t want the alternative plan even being made. As head of family, I said we’d make it anyway.
On delivery day, after 8 hours of terrible pain (her herniated disk was being pressed by the baby), it was time for me as the man to tell her and the doctor that it was time for plan B. It is my role to be decisive, override her emotional wishes and give firm direction during an ordeal. Most women want someone to take charge, especially in potentially dangerous and emotional situations.
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I’m going to concur about the betas, although my sample size was limited to the one class we attended, so we may have already pre-selected most of the betas out since it was a one time event not an ongoing estrogen fest of continual childbirth movie and acting out of delivery stuff. I think that was another class.
Anyway, even in this class, the betas were pretty obvious in their uncertainty, the uncomfortable jokes, the deference to their fragile wives in their “delicate” condition.
My wife liked to joke that I always reminded her that women used to give birth out in the fields and be back at work within a couple days. The looks of horror from the feminists when I’d agree and amplify were sweet nectar.
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Their six weeks or whatever it is before the kid is abandoned to day care is not much different.
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I think I got conned into one of those once (4 kids). But my best experience was with the delivery of #2. The wife dropped the kid rather quickly (the first was a 16 hour labor followed by a C section) and two cute female doctors (not out regular) attended the birth. They were in scrubs. I was in scrubs (basically naked with a sheet cover). The Drs. and I flirted like crazy while the wife was Lamazing (basically out of it). I told her about it much after the event. We are both amused by it. Still. She likes having a man that chicks get crazy over (still happens – I’m 69 – last time over Christmas at a party – crazy girl was about 30 and had a boyfriend – the OL was amused again.)
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I was watching an interview with Robert Mitchum the other night. In it, Dick Cavvett asks him what the secret to a long marriage is. “Deviousness, I should think,” he said with a sly smile. The audience erupted with applause.
I was watching Mitchum and thinking…that’s a man. It was like looking at a dinosaur. And then I realized what we call “men” are only going to get more watered down from here. You wouldn’t see Mitchum at a lamaze class or doing yoga, mixing kale smoothies and getting his eyebrows waxed. Adam Carolla was right: in 50 years, men will be chicks.
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Mitchum was a fucking stallion. Even surrounded by Hollywood pretty boys and Actors! , his priorities were getting laid and getting fucked up. And releasing a Calypso record once in a while.
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Lots of people would argue that getting fucked up on drugs is NOT alpha.
Doesn’t matter though. The public liked him more AFTER he got out of prison for marijuana possession.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/actor-robert-mitchum-is-released-after-serving-time-for-marijuana-possession
He killed it in Night of the Hunter. “Chil-dren …. chil-dren.”
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If you want to laugh and watch a movie about the lighter side of being an alpha, check out I Remember Archie… in which his wingman is, of all alphas, Jack Webb.
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They don’t make them like him anymore. America needs a million Robert Mitchums and William Holdens.
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First off, citing any degenerate pop culture reference (in this case Tywin Lannister) doesn’t help the argument and suggests that being an absentee father is the ideal method to raise your kids (case in point: twincest and a debauched midget).
The issue here isn’t the pussification of men but the breakdown of family. Since when the hell do people need to go to classes to learn how to be a parent. Maybe the MOTHERS who went with their DAUGHTERS should actually teach their DAUGHTERS how to be a MOTHER. If you can’t co-operate with your own family how in the hell do these mothers-to-be expect to raise their own children. Using logic (even women have some), common-sense and their natural mothering instincts is more than enough to raise a child.
Another point that can be taken from these Lamaze classes is the loss of independent thought in our society and the over-reliance on education. It seems like there’s an inane class for everything now a days when a simple library card or individual initiative will do (a man which you can rely on can also help, not that self-described STRONG, INDEPENDENT WOMYN will ever admit that).
There was only two men there. That doesn’t mean men haven’t been pussified, this is just not a solid example.
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The plan is to make the family obsolete and ineffective by crippling it through the systematic removal of the traditional social supports that helped sustain it. Then it will seem to be obviously inferior in comparison to communal methods because people will be unaware of what a healthy family even looks like.
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Do they still even teach Home Economics in high schools or colleges?
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I was outside smoking cigs reading a book on the Civil War while wife gave birth. Laughed at the staff who offered me a gown to wear in delivery room. Lamaze or LLL? Absolutely no goddamn way.
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So that’s how you spell Lamaze. I was enjoying my ignorance, thanks for ruining it for me.
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True story. I delivered both my sons via natural childbirth (not “Lamaze”).
My wife eschewed the doctors and hired a midwife. We delivered Hermann at home without drugs. My wife, I mean, was drug-free.
She was a week late with our Hermann. I was diddling her clit and she had an orgasm, then broke water. It was like someone took a 5-gallon bucket of water and threw it on me. At first I didn’t know what to make of it. Still took until the next day to pull Hermann out. Overall a pretty cool experience.
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It was the “Bradley Method” now that I recall. Bradley was an OB\GYN who delivered countless babies. In his book he made the interesting comment that a small percentage of women have “birth orgasms”. Most of what he said made sense, such as not having the woman lie flat on her back while attempting to push a child out, as opposed to the primitive (and more efficient) practice of the woman squatting to deliver.
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Childbirth-Bradley-Way-Revised/dp/0452276594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389822264&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+childbirth+the+bradley+way
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My father is a doctor and delivered my brother and me. He always has a big smile when he talks about that. He’s not American so it’s not coz of something American culture did to him.
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Damn right – THIS child is mine! I cut their umbilical chord and tied it to my soul. I’d never deprive myself the joy of that moment.
This thread – however – is total crap.
See how many betas result from absent Baby-Daddys..
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I am a doctor and plan to deliver my future children on my own too.
I think it’s bad-ass.
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+1 on orgasms to break water. Did that with both of mine.
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Birth can be a sexual experience. The Bradley method advises “nipple stimulation”, among other devices, to induce contractions.
When Hermann was born I was unemployed so had plenty of time for the whole birthing process, instead of the usual frantic rush to the hospital circus. As for his older brother Shemp, we had him at the hospital but two hours later bundled him up and took him home.
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Speaking of pussification, Great Googly-Moogly are there some narrowminded game-haters over here: http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/game/deconstructing-game-and-pua-frauds/ .
They sound like the Nyah-nyah finger-pointers RSDTyler mentions once inawhile.
Re the YT vid at the top: So, the answer then is… Robo-pussy?
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Only person worth reading over there is GWW, The rest are a bunch of no good Canadinavians.
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They have to justify failure somehow.
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In 1982 I went to one Lamaze class. Half way through I went out for a smoke break and didn’t go back. When the wife asked where I went I asked her, do you like this shit? She said not really but what is the alternative? My answer?, take the fucking drugs if it gets too bad, the fucking kid will be fine. She’s 31 now and has two sisters and a brother and two sons of her own.
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#Tywinning
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Re: Original Question
One can argue the origin of pussyfication goes back to the temperance movement, the fact that some wenches could act with the impunity of those bitches and the accompanying male whitek-nighting, that must have gotten the Plutocracy thinking. The sheepleness with wich the male masses of the West allowed the politicians to march them by the millions into the other nations’ machinegun fire is IMO the end of the beginning.
Freedom isn’t free, felas
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The My Little Masturbator video lady sounds like she’s speaking with constand dribble on her lip.
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constant*
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Tywinn Lannister is a cunt who ruined his family and raised lunatics.
Cersei lannisters comments about Jamie during the birth of Joffrey are memorable.
“Is this manly?” is what no real Alpha has ever asked himself.
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The pussification of American men:
Pregnency photos.
I cringe everytime I see a man taking a kiss of his wife’s belly for a photo.
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Oh, fuck, yes!
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Lamaze classes, just more lame entitlement bullshit. 17 year olds in Nigeria are dumping kids in the bush but in America they’re reading 5 different magazines, blogs, 3D imaging screens every month, blood tests, epidurals, nutritionists, blah blah blah and they STILL use the old “let’s see YOU pass a watermelon through a hole the size of a bottle cap.”
Young girls in their birthing prime don’t have nearly the same complications as some 34 year old ex carousel rider
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And Nigeria is of course a role model.
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Reblogged this on The Andrade Archive.
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Nice casita
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Lamaze class? Fuck that. Her sister went with her. And I was in Europe drinking when the kid was born.
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Maybe the late 1970’s? That is when the USMC began responding to public pressure and started toning down boot camp (i.e., sissifying it, although current “Marines” will vehemently deny this).
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Back in the Vietnam era, they routinely employed corporal punishment on recruits.
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Right, like I said, it was the late 1970’s, a few years after Vietnam, that the USMC had to back off from this.
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Would the manboob betas descend into breastfeeding?
There are some things which must be left to men.
But equally there are things which women are the only members of the species who should even think of attempting.
If I ever find myself in the situation with my hungry newborn, I will engineer a way to have my spouse remain comatose while I connect the baby with the source of nutrition, rather than resorting to something artificial like a breast pump. Or the newborn will learn the virtue of patience. And perhaps silence.
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Would the manboob betas descend into breastfeeding?
If they have manboobs, might as well use them.
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There are approximately 112 important centers for the study of women. It is an elaborate empire of . . . activism that produces volumes and volumes of research, some good, but much of it ideological. But since they are the groups addressing issues, Congress listens to them, and journalists call them when they want to write stories. If there’s any social policy practice that has a disparate impact on women, they’re right there to make it known and to correct it.
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“… but those men who agreed to attend without a fight or, worse, who happily jumped at the opportunity, are truly the most beta of betas.”
FYI — Steve “Most Beta of Betas” McQueen did LaMaze in his final role, “The Hunter”.
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Last week I passed by a doughy mangina wearing one of those fake pregnancy bellies “to relate with the pain his wife suffers”. I stopped and looked at him with the Clint Eastwood glare until he meekly followed his wife to another store. Both angry and sad that my countrymen have fallen so low.
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Women don’t need Lamaze. Okay, flame away: I’m happily married with a 17 month old son. My wife took care of herself during pregnancy and didn’t turn into a land whale. When the day of birth came, yeah, I was in the room. I wanted to be there. I wanted to see my son (we knew it was a boy beforehand) brought into this world. He will carry my name and my legacy so I wanted to be there when he drew his first breath. In all honesty, even in the best hospitals, you get one nurse and the husband needs to help, even just to grab a leg and hang on. There was no stupid chant breathing during the birth. When the time to push arrived, she pushed. He popped out. I asked the nurse how my tax deduction was doing while they had him under the rest stop burger warmer in the delivery room (my wife, in the midst of getting her cootch stitched up due to the almost ten pound baby, bust out laughing). Watching a kid being born is gross. But it was MY kid, and I woudn’t trade it for anything.
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What they make men wear in these classes:
No doubt so they can better understand the Struggle of Woman. (Waiting for when they throw women down coal mines so that they can experience the Struggle of Man.
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Castration of men going on a long time:
http://gynocentrism.com/2013/12/30/gynarchy-today-an-example/
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My son was born within 30 minutes of his due-date and weighed-in at exactly 3500 gms. He was called, “The Perfect Baby” By the time he was 11-12 years old he had a robust, independent income from selling the high-quality, often exotic, pron he had learned to harvest from the interwebs in cold hearted ,abundance, from the DSL line he was given on his 10 th birthday.
My daughter was getting paid as a equestrian prodigy from age 16 and as a musical prodigy from age 18.
I never paid either of them a dime as an “allowance.”
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Children:… Like a daughter that earns major dollars as a 16 year old horse riding prodigy. before manifesting really serious and commerically valuable talent as a muscian. So many years ago… Now her only use-able first name is Doctor.
Or a son that you ruined forever by buying for him a DSL connection when he was like 10 years old. He promptly went on to create his own pay-for-porn website-empire… Promptly.
I am sort of an old man, in a way. But I have good reasons to look back with a smile..
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In China the doctors routinely cut open the top of a woman’s vagina with scissors when she is giving birth, and then sew it back shut afterward. Less need for breathing right there. As always the combination of non-Christian-infected cultures with a decent IQ level produces no-nonsense solutions. Like the recent one where a Chinese company seeks to map the genes that provide better knowledge of math (i.e. a higher IQ) and offer parents those genes for their babies. “Fascism!” the Left and Christians shout, holding back the West as usual.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2539596/Get-ready-superbaby-Chinese-firm-set-allow-parents-pick-smartest-embryos.html
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“but those men who agreed to attend without a fight or, worse, who happily jumped at the opportunity, are truly the most beta of betas.”
“And given that betas are already short a couple liters of T”
The definition of “beta” should not spread into “whatever I don’t like”, which you see in the manosphere lately. “Alpha” was invented simply to replace PUA, Pick-Up Artist. It says nothing about a man’s success in life in general. “Beta” followed because “alpha” was needed. They come from wolfpacks, but in game theory alpha simply means: being good at getting women. Nothing more.
Julius Caesar, Admiral Nelson, King Barbarossa, Johann Sebastian Bach, Isaac Newton and Henry Ford were all “betas” if they weren’t good at picking up women. But they were all superior in their fields, and better men than 99 percent of men. Almost all men are “betas”, and it says nothing about their quality or manliness.
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There is only one legitimate reason for a man to attend a lamaze class.
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[…] When did the pussification of America’s men begin? Speculating on this sort of thing is always fun, but it serves a larger purpose: If we can identify the origin of the Ascended Testes Era, we can theoretically reverse it. […]
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Another example of CH jumping the shark. Caring about the outcome of your woman’s pregnancy is only part of k-selective behaviour. Whether Lamaze is the best or most effective way, I don’t know, but it’s not a bad idea to be in the room in case things start to go wrong and decisions have to be made, as Zombie Shane points out.
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[…] It’s happening again. I’ve been studying game with every bit of my serious, scientific mind for a bit more than a year now. I’ve been pouring 100% of myself into this pursuit, and what is happening? I am just one of hundreds of random commenters at Chateau Heartiste, just one flaky guy who doesn’t even have any success at game yet. I’m no expert or authority on anything, least of all anything that needs to be backed up by real world success, and yet I not only managed to get CH’s direct attention, I ended up becoming the subject of an entire post not once, but twice. […]
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I don’t want to be there for my wife’s birth. She cried and cried when I told her so and she tried to change my mind. She has no female relatives or friends close by so I hired a professional female birth attendant for her, and I’m not a rich man. She desperately wants to have a natural birth without any drugs.
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A real alpha male not only attends the birth of his sprog but he should also be capable of pushing the doctor aside and delivering the baby himself and then once the brat is out of the hole, he should be more than capable of severing the cord with his own teeth. He should then hold his accomplishment up to the Gods and make them bless what he has created. THAT’S what a REAL man can do. They don’t hide in some waiting room or in some ass clown sports bar with their back slapping faux alpha male buddies while drink designer micro-brew and swapping stories of dubious vaginal conquest. Your vision of the alpha male is a sham, a shadow of reality and an embarrassment to REAL alpha males like me.
[CH: As satire, this is very funny.]
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My grandmother used to say about my dad’s birth: “Oh, it was mid summer and it was sooooo hot in the delivery ward at the hospital!” At which point my grandfather would chime in, “Yeah, and it was really stifling at O’Brien’s Pub, too.”
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Well in the old days your mom, aunts, female cousins, etc. all lived close by to manage the birth in your multigenerational home. That setup doesn’t exist anymore. Families are smaller and farther apart. You are also outsourcing the birth not to trust member of your community but some random doctors (particularly in larger communities).
From a practical standpoint the man now needs to be in the delivery room because he is the only trustworthy witness to what is going on as he won’t be hopped up on drugs and hormones.
I never understood the point of the classes though. My wife didn’t bother, and most the women I know didn’t either.
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Simple solution for the “racist” thing: bite your tongue and don’t bring up the topic until a car date. Then make up some excuse to drive through Rinkeby if you live in Stockholm (or Pembury Estates in London or down the Martin King Blvd. of any US town) at 12:00 and start talking about your position on “diversity”. If she has any argument against, tell she’ll be walking home unless comes around to your POV.
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Oops, wrong topic.
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those classes are stupid anyway- the only class i went to (with my husband) was a cpr class…..its interesting how betas even phrase things different. All the herbs with fat puffy wives stated “We’re XX weeks pregnant…”
Nigga, were not pregnant. IM PREGNANT.
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my lamaze was a big fat epidural needle – god bless the man who invented it
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My wife had em both without an epidural. She flunked some test so they would not apply it. I was openly glad because suffering over long term damage is the path I take as well. She was also back in her heels and much better than the other doped up mommies. She took the pain and brought them into the world without a sound. But my wife has a real nice ass and waste/hip ratio.
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Began with the acceptance of soccer as a sport for boys/men
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