A lot of readers write here asking for game advice and offering screen shots of their texts and chats with women for critical judgment by the Eye of Mordant. For example, see this latest chat screen from a man trying to get a date with a petite looker. (The man talks first.)
While Heartiste is happy to oblige any and all pilgrims to the Chateau, these readers could perform an at-home test that would save them some time and frustration waiting for an answer. A simple trick to determine the tightness of your chat game is to role reverse the participants. Commenter Christian explains,
If you reverse the responses in the online chat example, which I did inadvertently when I first read it, its tight game.
HER: Just promise you wont dress like a 12 year old boy on the first date, deal?
HIM: What makes you think there will be a first date?
HER: Well i’m not convinced yet blah blah blah…
HIM: That’s fair. let me know how that goes out for you.
But now that I know the roles were actually reversed, its beyond salvageable. Next.
Comparing the first chat and its bizarro world inverse, there’s little doubt that the second one is more likely to achieve a carnal coda, both because the girl will be more aroused and the man will have more power leading the interaction to a date. In the role reversal chat, it’s the man who’s subcommunicating aloofness, challenge, and an authentic attitude of outcome independence.
Ask yourself, who’s sitting in the driver’s seat? In the first chat, the girl is in control. Role reverse it and the man becomes the driver of the courtship. If your game sucks, try role reversing everything you do, except in real life and not just as a post-rejection self-assessment exercise. Think Opposite George. Report back to us with the results, Or do the opposite, and don’t.
That first line is cringe worthy enough.
You make comments about what you and her actually see…not some hypothetical. If she actually dressed like a 12 year old boy on a date you are actually on…then go ahead and fire a neg if you feel like it.
Women don’t get hypotheticals…even when they present one.
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as explained earlier her profile said she often dresses like 12 year old boy
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Indeed…then my first stament is retracted.
Instead…that was a huge red flag and doesn’t surprise me how that interaction went. She is anything but safe or normal.
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The first line is actually pretty tight for a girl that’s an 8 or above. It illicited a reply from the girl so mission accomplished.
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Here’s a good one;
8 weeks ago my 10 year old daughter hacked my iCloud account and had all my iMessages sent directly to her. Unknown to me, She had running dialogs with dozens of my friends.
The messages from men – were about three exchanges long – and ended with comments like; “… Are you sniffing glue again?”
The message exchanges with women – ran on and on – they’re as long as your arm.
Here’s the funny part; None of these women could tell it wasn’t me ….
LOL
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Being outsmarted by a woman doesn’t lead to sex…That selection bias smells like trouble for certain would views.
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Zombie Shane’s One and Only Rule of Romance Between the Sexes:
A WOMAN WILL NEVER BUT NEVER BUT NEVER SETTLE DOWN WITH A MAN WHO HAS A LOWER IQ THAN SHE.
That’s one of the fundamental differences between men and women.
Dudes will settle down with bitches who have slightly lesser IQs, if, say, the bitch brings a cheerful sunny disposition, some nice big mammaries, some talent in the kitchen, and, of course, massive amounts of talent in the bedroom.
Bitches, on the other hand, will NEVER BUT NEVER BUT NEVER settle down with a dude who has a lesser IQ.
NEVER BUT NEVER BUT NEVER.
Will. Not. Happen.
PS: It’s also why you see so many dykes in the STEM fields – those very rare chicks whose IQs are high enough to succeed in STEM have an insanely difficult time trying to find dudes who are smarter than they.
Especially since the probability that they are both that smart and also HB8/HB9/HB10 material is roughly
(probability of STEM IQ) X (probability of HB8/HB9/HB10)
(1 / 1,000,000) X (1 / 10,000) = 1 / 10 BILLION
And there are only about 6 billion people on the planet to begin with.
So being rather homely and flabby and often sporting mild mustaches with large moles on their faces, they give up trying to find a man, and they settle for shacking up with other bitches.
But they’d damn sure take the High IQ dick if it were offered.
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1:1.000.000 seems extravagently hyperinflated. Just think about it!
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Roughly 300,000,000 people in the USA.
Roughly 150,000,000 women in the USA.
Roughly 150 women who deserve to be working in STEM [without any quota hire set-asides whatsoever] in the USA.
You think it’s only 15, rather than 150?
So 1-in-10,000,000?
That was my original thought, too, but then I decided that maybe that was just a little too cruel.
[Yeah, White Knight and whatnot…]
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AliI’m an electrical engineer that went to aschool specializing in STEM.
My new theory is: the women in stem are ugly and seemingly more intelligent. But i think it’s like an optical illusion. You just assume they’re smart because they’re homely and read. But actually get them trying to solve a problem or show that specific nerd quality of being interested in delving deep into a topic and asking yourself questions that lead to further understanding? Forget it. Smart women are women first, smart second. They only read and speak in a mono tone voice because they’re uggos that never got to be girls at the mall.
Even if they have a talent for math and learning they’re still too emotionally driven to think critically half the time. Learning and talent are compounding activities. So think about the hit your 401k would take if it was pulled out of Bull market the first 14 of 28 days or whatever.
The problem now is that the cathedral has told them how wonderful they are so they don’t have the extra drive to prove us wrong like stem wymenz may have in decades past. Now theyre mostly ugly blowhards
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Pretty much. Marie Curie had to discover radium to get noticed–now just show up with boobs in EE and you’re a heroine.
And this microaggressions crap is even sillier. OK, so women are discouraged from pursuing science by social pressure. So? Frederick Douglass taught himself to read despite the risk of being killed, Marie Curie wasn’t allowed to talk about her discoveries because she was a woman…and you bitches are whining because football players won’t sleep with you if you study science? Well, hot girls refuse to sleep with guys if we study science, so what’s your problem? In the old days we used to admire people who overcame difficulties, now it’s all about being a victim.
The answer is, of course, that women are herd animals, but that’s another story.
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While we’re on the subject, I suspect that a good bit of the fug of women in STEM fields is (sub)cultural. I noticed my daughter was starting to get sucked into the, “They should love me as I am…I’m not ready for a relationship anyway…” and did not understand where it was coming from until I met some of her friends.
Crabs in a bucket.
Some of it resolved itself though, when she got to college and her class was mostly Russian. For them, it’s unheard of that an intelligent woman would not also strive to be as beautiful as she can. It’s part of expressing one’s intelligence.
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You have a biological child?
That didn’t get blended up into a human bloody mary in the local abortuary?
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Yes I do, plus a step son.
About abortions though, I believe they are a good thing. It is as bad as rape to use a man’s genetic material without his explicit permission. I am willing to back that belief up by doing, perhaps not the ideal thing, but the right thing if faced with the choice whether or not to have a man’s accidental children.
If you want to have sex outside of marriage, but don’t want single moms, you need to be okay with abortion.
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I agree that abortion is necessary as one of the many functions in society, although it should never go as far as in Russia, where studies in the 1990s showed the average Russian sl…woman had already had three abortions by the age of twenty-five. (The statistics are a bit lower now.)
It is too bad that American conservatism has been hijacked by religious leaders who decide to use abortion as a “moral high ground”. The Right only has that and “freedom” as moral high grounds on their side, because they play by leftist rules about what is moral, which says “you can do anything that doesn’t hurt someone else”, a break from the goal-oriented morality that builds nations. Too bad that American Christian leaders are doing this, because it chases away a lot of voters who would otherwise have voted for the Right. Those voters have to live in reality, where lo and behold people have sex outside marriage, and not even those in marriage want to be forced to have more and more children just because they have sex, which inevitably leads to unwanted pregnancy sometimes. Conservatism in the past and in other countries has always been fine about abortion. Rome allowed abortion, no problem, and that city built a gigantic Empire that founded much of European civilization. I guess Christian leaders in the U.S. prefer to be anti-abortion and drive away voters to the party that pushes mass immigration because that is so much better for America, right?
Funny, because the Bible says nothing about abortion, even though abortion potions were common in Biblical times. There are exactly zero bans on abortion in the Bible. (“you shall not kill” doesn’t mention abortion and doesn’t count. All Christians have exceptions to that rule. They kill animals, they kill enemies, they kill criminals. It means nothing.) This anti-abortionism simply evolved in the Catholic Church as it adopted the hardcore Judaist hatred against the human body and human desire. Telling people their desires are dirty is a good way to control them, as they will act on those desires anyway, and then they feel guilty and have to constantly ask the church for forgiveness in order to avoid hell. The Church, starting with this tactic, attracted people who actually believed in the anti-sex message, and these banned abortion as yet another way to force people not to have sex, and to punish them with unwanted children if they did have sex. Celibate priests are jealous and sick.
Especially funny since the “souls” they pretend exist in fetuses should go straight to heaven, since they never have time to “sin” on earth. That saves souls from being tortured forever in hell. They get to be forever rewarded in heaven instead, officially the entire point of Christianity, to “save” people for heaven. (Unless you think the “souls” will burn in hell forever because they weren’t baptized first. Prove it, fanatic.) That should be good, right? But Christians always jump back and forth in their reasoning. First rule of modern conservatism: jettison the Christian leaders, adopt scientific nationalism.
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She had four bios at one point, but she ate the others. Started out as a midnight snack, descended into disaster.
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Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
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Naah, Nicole, you’ve got it all wrong. Agree and amplify.
“Yeah, babies are great with mustard, especially white ones.”
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I am trying to get *away* from trying to out-alpha dudes. That was my catty answer.
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You got me, I’m jealous of your astonishing girth.
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Got that right.
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“What makes you think there will be a first date?”
-Because I just said so.
Hey I like going with the truth. Hard to be outsmarted by a woman when you use that.
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“I bake.” From When a Man Loves a Woman (2:30 in the video) ; the first scene is awesome game. Of course, Andy Garcia’s and Meg Ryan’s characters are already married and are just kidding around, but the lines presented by Garcia’s character are great.
Compare with the first guy who tries to pick her up by trying to impress her. “I read for a living”. This scene is like a quick standard reminder of how to keep the conversation playful and interesting. A date, or a cold open, should be about entertaining her.
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Her question is so sarcastic,, or maybe it’s just a request for information, but it can be given a sincere answer.
“What makes you think there will be a first date?”
“Because I have so much to offer.”
“Like what?”
“Wait and see.”
It’s necessary to assume some level of non-hostility. If she’s really just trying to give you shit, rather than just a shit test, there is nothing to do but move on.
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Boomer alert.
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Guilty as charged.
Interested to know how it was a giveaway. I admit it sounds lame now, but can we analyze this so I can come up to date?
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You are spoiled enough to have been exposed to feminine women lacking hostility. Not true for gen x. Nothing personal.
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She’s probing for information. He mentioned a first date in his first line…and then retracted it in the second line. He didn’t stand up for what he mentioned. It is little things like this that women shit test all the time and more men should be aware of that.
Anything that states you believe in yourself that you don’t question or doubt what you just said is better than trying to soften the blow of a possible rejection. That displays strength and truth.
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What about no question marks. “Don’t do this. Deal?” seems worse than “Don’t do this”
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“What makes you think there will be a first date?”
-You’re practically in my pants already.
“That’s fair. let me know how that goes out for you.”
-ill tell you after breakfast.
[CH: good reply. classic agree&lify.]
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I really like this.
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Opposite George strikes again! There was a time, long ago, in my career when I had to employ the Opposite George rules. It was an office full of women, with most management positions being occupied by women. Good god, that was a nightmare.
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Yeah, looks like okcupid. While you have to do some chatting early on and check your brevity at the door (like the 90/10 rule for approaching), she gave an opportunity to set the frame by merely responding. In fact, her negative response actually shows some interest. I find when girls respond in a nice passive way they are usually less interested.
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I don’t do online game – I’m a diehard Day Gamer by nature – but my impression is that if you get ANY RESONSE AT ALL WHATSOEVER – then The Poontang is already yours to lose.
The problem is that so many dudes just retreat back into betatude and let The Poontang slip right out of their hands.
So if you really want The Poontang – and, more importantly, if you really deserve The Poontang – then when she goes Dark, you go DARKER.
Her: Blah blah blah… Darkness… blah blah blah…
You: Blah blah blah… DARKERNESS… blah blah blah…
Prove to her that not matter how hard she tries, your will is stronger than her will, and that she will never break you.
But when the statistics show that bitches get like 20 or 30 or 50 [???] times the number of messages that dudes get at these online sites, then any message which you receive is proof of her interest.
From that point, The Poontang is yours to lose.
PS: “Darker” does not mean humorless.
“Darker” does not mean the absence of playfulness.
“Darker” does not mean bleak or barren or forlorn.
Maybe a better adjective might be “edgy”?
Her: Blah blah blah… edgy bitchy cattiness… blah blah blah…
You: Blah blah blah… edgier alpha envelope-pushing-ness… blah blah blah…
Just don’t back down.
Don’t retreat.
The best defense is a good offense.
Carpe the Diem.
That’s the attitude you need.
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“not matter” = no matter
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i take back my initial response and say this is a trick question, online dating is pointless beyond harpooning landwhales. and anti alpha.
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this is a genius move, but I have a hard time applying it to myself because I seriously cant imagine a girl being as assertive and direct as I. probably have to work more on my indirect game
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Opposite George is hilarious.
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You have a point; you can be this upfront after a long text discussion with her.
And ONLY after a long discussion with her.
The problem is if she’s playing the naughty little girl from the beginning just to elicit such ‘spanky’ responses from you. Your responses will make her, and her friends, giggle. The ploy continues, you get more invested in her …
until she just disappears …
Then yer fucked. So what to do then ?
Be devious. Screw around with her head :
… I am going to pull you over my lap … and then … and only then … am I going to do something to you … that will make you roar like a lion … and then try to wriggle quietly away … like a porn-actor-speaker at a conference for militant geriatric nymphomaniacal feminist cucumber growers … uttering words that’s Shakespearean in breadth … Orwellian in depth … Hegelian in math … like an opium bath … why my deary darling … I am going to apply a bumper sticker on your ass …
You know she’s been thinking about spanking, and yet somehow you disappointed her … and teased her as well.
So she’ll either not respond to such a missive, which means the woman in question is just too stoopid to respond … do you really want such a woman by the way ? She just failed YOUR shit-test dammit.
… or she’ll try and call you out on it. What do you say then ?
You mean you’d rather be spanked ? My mother warned me against girls like you … which means my grandma is gonna like you a lot.
And here you can draw her in discussing family history and whatnot. You can share your views on life. No hate though, when you talk about your views on life. Give off a stoic vibe. Women dig a man that is familiar with suffering, endures it, faces it, laughs at it, and cries when nobody sees him … sad but true.
When she’s sassy with you again, just mention that you’re gonna shop for bumper stickers the following day.
She’ll get the message.
And don’t forget to tease her.
Never forget to tease her … and remember not to overdo it.
That’s how one gets a good woman.
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That sounds nice and all….but to think of that requires great creativity and thinking of it on the spot can be a challenge.
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Whatever works.
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I think you could find a very nice gentleman to take you on a second or third date, depending on the type. ”
(stop the chase).
The goal should be to continue the conversation , but primary based on the principle that you do not want to date her, but that she would be perfect for a really nice guy, maybe even a friend of yours , she would be perfect for”
Only way to save it, and its a long shot.
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A few girls in my social circle are on various online sites, Tinder, OK Cupid, Match. I have seen first hand how online dating warps the minds of lower tier women. Uncanny. Online dating is akin to virtual reality. In the virtual world a 6 gets the attention normally relegated to the 9-10 women. They transfer this mentality to the real world, where they now believe they are “above” certain levels of men. The delusion is often irreversible.
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Online dating cannot work because of the hamster’s unfairness and inability to ever accept any blame for anything. As anyone who has been dumped by a girl knows (almost all of us–even most of you alphas are not naturals and were dumped at some point by a carousel rider in your 20s, before you discovered red pill), at the end, during the final bad last few days or weeks, the woman is able to remember every bad thing the man did, none of the good things, and none of the bad things she did or said. I was discussing this with a buddy and we (correctly) concluded:
1. being on an online dating site automatically marks the man as “beta.” Automatically. The man is automatically a beta from the start if he’s on match.com looking for a relationship. The man is automatically “chasing” and looks like he wants an LTR or more;
2. the woman SUBCONSCIOUSLY holds that strike against the man, so the man starts out at -1 (minus 1) simply by meeting her through match or POF or OKC, EVEN THOUGH the woman herself, obviously, is also on the dating site (hamster cannot recognize things the woman does “wrong”);
3. EVEN IF the man is smooth enough to get replies and real world meetups–which is easily doable if the man is attractive and has a cool enough profile (*)–when the “date” happens, the SUBCONSCIOUS -1 that the man is starting out with is in the back of the woman’s mind; and
4. As stated above, yes, any woman who is not a land yacht gets way too much validation on the dating sites. But also she finds herself disappointed with herself and her (unknown) subconscious hypergamous instinct to want an alpha asshole. Because indeed most men on a dating site are going to be beta, greater beta at best, and they will be gentlemen on a beta styled date, OR they will be omega total creepoid losers (woman will have met a few of those and will be starting out in a, frankly, bad mood about the date from the start).
(*) Lest anyone think this is my personal anecdote bitterness, I was on match for only 3 months and, without spending too much effort, was able to get tons of replies and meet about six women in real life (could have met more if I wanted and had the time), all of whom were HB7 or HB8 (for realz–thin and pretty, all of them). I found (a) that they did not misrepresent themselves in the pics–they were as hot or hotter in real life as in the pics and (b) some of them resulted in “the start” of something and they were actually getting closer to beta bux stage–in other words, with about 4 of them I had more than one and between 3 and in one case about 12 follow-up dates, make-outs, boob grabbing, sleeping over but not PIV sex in a few cases, and these girls were like *almost* hooked by my greater beta game, they wanted to be able to let themselves like the beta, BUT in the end I swear the automatic negative 1 I started out with was just too much for their hamster to handle. Two of them were quite articulate in their ability to basically tell me that they were essentially pissed at themselves (their subconscious hypergamy) and can’t understand themselves why they are not chasing me because I’m awesome (more than the LJBF rejection of a creeper who’s way below them…I’m an 8 but for my being divorced with kids who I pay for).
Lest you disagree, CH himself has written about how all the hypergamy stuff is subconscious/biological; women really do believe or want to believe in their conscious brains in the “wow how amazing we met at the bookstore!!!!” fantasy “fate” idea. Day game talks about saying “how strange that we just met here!” to help ease them into accepting it. Doing anything other than finding a girl who really does just want to bang (I have not found one that my game is good enough for) is doomed from the start on the dating sites. (**)
(**) Also negging as an opener is very very very rarely a good tactic on the dating sites. These beta women (ready for beta bux) have convinced themselves that they now want “chivalry” and are able to be offended by a neg in an email–not the same as having the balls to neg an HB8 at a bar in real life.
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Two of them were quite articulate in their ability to basically tell me that they were essentially pissed at themselves (their subconscious hypergamy) and can’t understand themselves why they are not chasing me because I’m awesome (more than the LJBF rejection of a creeper who’s way below them…I’m an 8 but for my being divorced with kids who I pay for).
Maybe you actually have a -2 handicap…
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I’m sure that POF and OKCupid can be cracked (any type of arena can be done with persistence) but I’m not sure it’s worth the effort.
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Depends. It can be useful for guys with naturally weak game who can approach a lot of women and get *some* action. Obviously the dynamic favors women.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/258879/dating-dos-and-donts-1940s/
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Lol, he starts out TRYING to reverse roles already. She doesn’t go for it, but he keeps trying the same thing anyway = no calibration = failure.
‘Her:: What makes you think there will be a first date?’
This is actually really good for him. Problem? Oh yeah, he’s completely uncalibrated and fails to understand where’s at in the interaction. He has failed to DHV, and so the whole ‘screening’ bullshit he tries goes down in flames.
Better:
HIM: You seem like a X, Y, Z/chick-crack person, and I get along with them.
or
HIM: The fact that you’d ask that instead of why I’d think you’d dress like a boy. Fate brought us here.
Ya, it’s great when they’re insta-chasing you or whatever, but that’s not reality for 98% of men.
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Scray, assuming it was you and you said everything he said in his chat (tho i know you wouldnt have) do you think it is salvagable/ you could possibly turn it around?
Im thinking there would be a chance..for the skilled player
Kind of along the same lines as if an attractive feminist (a stretch i know) was verbally attacking you…spewing out her venom about something you said..calling you names..screaming.. as you take it calmly and she finishes her rant with, “You must be single.”
And you reply, “Why, do you want a date?”
Her: “Lol..wut? wtf? lol ” ***gina tingle**attitude adjustment***
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Hmmmm…..
HER: That’s fair. let me know how that goes out for you.
Well, I probably would have dropped the corny overgame shit at this point and reversed course for more rapport-seeking.
Me: Ha, I’m just messing around….it’s how I get to know people I think could be cool 🙂
-or-
Me: Not gonna lie, it’s not going well so far lol. Give me another chance, pretty pretty please? I have your favorite candy.
-or-
Me: lol that’s cold. You should be nice to special needs people, not mean.
So why Scray, why are you doing this?
You have to screen her good. Sometimes chicks will be cunty toward you because you’re putting out WAY TOO MUCH of a player/douche vibe. If you just throttle off a bit, they give you a chance…then you can play with the ‘no I’m nice, no wait I’m an asshole’ vibe later.
Now, why would I think that’d be the case here?
Because she took the time to respond to him and react to him at all. If they aren’t interested AT ALL 99.9% of the time they just don’t acknowledge you.
Play with her expectations — play into them for as long as is convenient, and then…when you’ve grabbed the power (you’ll sense it…with some of them it’s a laugh, with others a kiss, and with others you gotta bone)….bust through those expectations.
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best move…
lol, wow that’s cold! you’re wittier than you look, lol. I’m actually kind of impressed.
– shows you took it in stride, while most guys would get flustered
– shows she exceeded your expectations for her
– extends an olive brand because this interaction needs rapport-fixing, not one-upmanship via insults, or more social proof via showcasing your wit.
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and you can re-initiate after this because even if she doesn’t respond immediately because she won’t view you as hostile.
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Awesome info..totally agree
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Ya, may be a matter of preference. That response is still a little tryhard to me. I mean…lol, I’m -not- impressed, and she’s -not- wittier than she looks.
Congruence is king. Depends on how you’re feeling though — if I were in a good mood, I could see using this.
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just pivot off of that and immediately follow up and say…
“your picture still makes me want to get you drunk and drag you to a motel lol”
you have no choice but to diffuse the situation. pat her on the head, tell her nice one, you got me, and then say let’s fuck in an interesting way.
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I get where you’re going but at this stage in the interaction I’d just drop the lol-y stuff for a few messages. I understand that that stuff looks cooler to dudes or on the jumbotron, but as far as mileage, pulling back on that for a bit can yield great results too.
I just don’t think we’re in a place where she’s even open to, or appreciating, our jokes. I agree with diffusing the situation…I’d just do it with less C&F.
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Good, except the “lol”. I never get “lol”. Are you actually “laughing” “out loud”? Is it really that funny? Of course not. People write “lol” everywhere, and it just looks stupid. Unless the brain is shut off to the point where people don’t think of what they are reading, which happens too often. (Like how people unthinkingly accept “troops” instead of the too-warlike-sounding “soldiers” in a news piece. “Two troops were injured”. Why not just call a guy a “platoon” and get it over with? But I digress.)
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Scray, I am not too much of a pro with this stuff yet, but I don’t understand why a girl would be turned off by a player/douchey vibe?
I once approached a girl who was sitting on a bench and finishing up some food, so I opened up with “Let me finish that”. We started talking and she introduced herself as “Jane” and without blinking an eye I introduce myself as “Tarzan”. I continue playing with this theme saying that we should run away deep into a jungle in Africa and together we will build a cabin by the sea, we will hunt antelope and gazelle and I will protect her from lions, etc.
During the course of our conversation, she was laughing, touching me on the arm, etc. But when I tried to get her number she didn’t want to give it to me and I got the impression that it was from being too smooth.
Furthermore, I have had girls tell me I’m way too smooth and because of that they don’t want to go out with me/give me their number, etc.
I always thought that having a player/douchey vibe was a DHV as it shows you know your way around girls.
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I didn’t say it was a turnoff. I said they would act cunty toward you because of it. Chicks dig players but once they get burned a time or too they put up a bit of a fight.
Once you reach a critical mass of attraction that won’t matter, but in the early phases you should get her to let down her guard.
If you go too heavy with the overconfident playa guy routine, you’ll get shut down more than you think.
It’s an art. Be subtle.
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Rick, Scray is a self-admitted short crybaby beta males that has trouble getting girls. He frequently posts text exchanges where he crashes and burns with women that he refers to as “mini heart break girl”
His advice is as useful to us as pajama boy’s advice on how to get big at the gym.
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Rick, there are a lot of people analyzing social interaction and advising techniques based mythology. Scray has a solid understanding of how attraction work and real, applied social dynamics. Scray’s advice is usually quite insightful, to the chagrin of the poster above, it seems. No idea what bone he has to pick with Scray lol.
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The same metaphorical bone I would have to pick with snake-oil salesmen. Look at his typical incoherent response below. Unsurprising that he’s also a nigger.
Also, darkhorse, you must be new here if you don’t know Scray is the resident self-admitted crybaby beta that spams the forums here because of his Napoleon Complex that tries to ease the pain of rejection he gets from women on a daily basis.
Scray, change your behavior and maybe you won’t refer to women as “mini heart break girl”.
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haha why are you so upset with me
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Oh look, the nigger cannot read properly, what a shocker.
Go back to your homoerotic fantasies about me. I have no idea why you have trouble picking up women.
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lol what is your objective with all of this again?
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lol this is the longest blowjob I’ve ever had. months long…wow
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RE: key logger tweet
I can highly recommend any man to install a key logger on his own computer, just to see what girls get up to when you’re taking a shower. I have had more than one girl in my house who would swoop down on my laptop the moment I turn on the shower and go over my browser history, facebook, photos etc with the efficiency of an experienced forensic detective, only to be back on the couch, blinking innocently, the moment I turn off the water.
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Doesn’t surprise me.
It is the modern day medicine cabinet.
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Excellent advice.
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Make sure she can easily find some semi-innocent pictures of you with some much hotter women.
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Yeah it can be a great tool for those running a dash of Dread Game
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I posted about briefcase zippers below. It’s a fun game. I had placed some innocent pics of me and other women in there (usually trade show booth girls) and it worked wonders on my other zippers.
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And I recommend guys read that book. Best 9 bucks I’ve spent in a while.
It will crush any remaining blue pill you have left in you.
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I haven’t seen said tweet about keyloggers, though I do know of two other guys who had girlfriends go through computers and the like. And one definitely has something on his phone.
Fuck that shit, invade my privacy and I’ll kick your skanky ass through the ceiling. I even take a dim view if she starts getting insecure about texts that I receive.
Which book are you talking about? I’m up for getting something new to crush the beta maggot in me.
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http://mattforney.com/2014/01/08/the-key-logger-a-forbidden-glimpse-into-the-true-nature-of-women-by-nicholas-jack/
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It comes down to this: if you let them, all girls will become sluts. Not necessarily physical sluts, but emotional sluts, seeking masculine attention like a crackhead financing his addiction by holding up gas stations.
Again, with the physical-male/emotional-female dichotomy, the alpha female with a horde of beta suckup orbiters is like an alpha male with a harem of FWBs.
Adding on to this, an alpha female who has landed a valuable alpha male but still has a horde of beta suckup orbiters is like an alpha male with both a prime wife that he loves and a harem of mistresses.
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Wow, how true. I set the zippers on my briefcase a certain way so I know if my wife has rummaged through it. Needless to say, the zippers were never the way I left them.
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Good stuff. This teaches men to do things a certain way and remember it. In case some “invader” has other plans.
Then when she starts making accusations…you can expose her nosiness.
Many men have no idea how women find out these things about them…..those are some of the tricks of the trade.
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That is why I have two log-ins to my computer. Whenever a girl is at my place and I am playing music on the computer, I use the innocent-looking log-in with a clean browser history and no downloads she shouldn’t see. This after a girl many years ago snooped through my computer and was put off by seeing porn URLs.
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Fuck that noise. Screen-saver with passphrase, and I always put it in sleep mode when I’m away from it.
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Grading Barack Obama
B+
Mostly just playing his role. A level of universal health care is a valid issue. For example, the Social Security Administration carries on varied relationships with each of the states based on the level of rights the states have claimed for themselves.
The only things that get shouted down publicly are realistic forces. Sovietism was only bad, bad, bad, because it is, on some level, inevitable.
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F- Breaking the law should put you in jail. Breaking the Fourth Amendment not one time but millions of times by searching people’s mail with no warrant and probable cause should be enough to get you executed, along with all your stooges in that chain of command. In the British Empire people were indeed executed for opening someone else’s mail. To think that Americans’ privacy was protected more in the old Empire than in the new “democratic” one.
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All presidents and meaningful authority figures get F-s and the discussion is moot. Fun.
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How about ignoring and/or illegally modifying various laws?
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Heartiste,
Any tips on how to get GF to go A2M? Email response is fine if you don’t want to get into it here.
Thanks.
[CH: “I’ve had this fantasy for so long, ever since this girl I used to date brought it up…” is a good way to broach the subject. Girls don’t want to feel like they’re the debbie downers who aren’t as sexually exciting as your exes.
ps anti-troll psa: fucking a girl in the ass is not the same as gay male sex. If you look just a little past the bunghole, you’ll notice that the attached body doesn’t resemble a man’s body at all.]
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Ok I looked past the bunghole…it’s not the same. And yet the rectum in both sexes does the same thing.
[CH: So don’t fuck her ass while she’s turtling.]
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“And yet the mouth in both sexes does the same thing when you are kissing”. Read up on why men and women are attracted to each other, even while not every part of them is completely different to that of the other sex.
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depends where you are in your relationship. do you have rapport with your girl where you can be super dominant and it’s ok? will she let you call her a piece of shit whore when you’re fucking her? are you able to spit in her mouth or slap her in her face (try lightly first) while you fuck her? she has to accept your identity as a dominant sexual partner in order to do something like A2M. if that’s not established, incorporating baby steps of dominantion like trash talking, spitting and slapping little by little into your sex will get her open to A2M, as long as she’s comfortable with being that level of submissive. I personally think she may get wigged out by the idea if you verbalize. like I could never tell a shy lover “let’s try spitting in your mouth”, but if we’ve established that I’m dominant, I can call her a whore and spit in her mouth at the right moment when we’re fucking and she’s going to orgasm real quick. also, it’s kind of incongruent to be like “I’d like your permission to try a dominant sex act I have no experience with on you”. That would be more appropriate for a role play situation, in my opinion.
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This!
Although “where you are in the relationship” is irrelevant, you should start this shit since day 1, or don’t start it at all.
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This^^^ : absolutely have to start out in a frame where dominance is your thing. You don’t have to slip it in her ass the first time, but telling her she belongs to you and you’re going to fuck all her holes is apropos. Even if you don’t. Sets her expectations for sexy-time. See also Xsplat http://xsplat.wordpress.com for some interesting dominance plays.
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Not interested, and it has nothing to do with gay sex. It has to do with shit.
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@ chi-town
A2M is where you put it in the girl’s mouth. No shit involved for the guy.
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Shit on my dick, stink of the pee pee. Look, its no big deal if you, or anyone else like anal. However it has nothing to do with any faggoty association. If I am in the neighborhood of an anus, its just a short walk to a really happening orifice. I am a died in the wool vulva, and vagina man.
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@ chi-town
That’s why you do it after she’s cleaned. Also in A2M she cleans off stink for you.
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Shit on dick is clearly what he mean. Christ no wonder being 95th percentile is so easy.
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OT.
Breaking News: President Obama did not know about something happening under his watch.
Obama: It is you who say I knew something.
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When women embrace barbaric behaviors from another culture, then it all points to the free falling descent of civilization.
With that said, I would still bang. Catch me poolside.
[CH: Jesus boned. And then he wept.]
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daddys little angels….all of em 🙂
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lol you would but you couldn’t. none of these girls would with you with a judgmental attitude about something they enjoy doing.
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CH don’t forget the post about meeting the girl’s family. hasnt really been specifically touched on in detail. juuust sayin
[CH: I’ll keep this short. If you’re meeting the girl’s family, you’re already knee deep in an LTR, (or you should be, otherwise why did you agree to meet her parents?). In this scenario, you’ll want to please her father more than her, so amp the beta and the loving lovitude.
PS: there is an exception for girls who have an antagonistic relationship with their fathers. In those cases, winning over the father can actually turn off your girlfriend.
PPS: Mothers are largely irrelevant in these calculations, except insofar as they are like older versions of your girlfriend whom you should charm and game just the same.]
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Word. Makes sense. The reason I ask for analysis is cause I’m an ecto lol. buuuuut, I ran into her and her mother unexpected and it seemed her mother heard about me before from the girl (“ive heard so much about you”. This girl is a young 8.5 that is possibly out of my league? But Ive followed this blog closely. The reason I ask is because I grew up with three sisters, and I know that when a guy leaves after visiting, the family talks about him with or without the girl (so after I ran into them they left and talked about me going home). If you’re too beta then the parents say ohhh he seems like a very nice guy (beta) and that could subconciously turn the girl off a little. I almost think that it is best to avoid situations with her family as much as possible. With my ex-gf a while back there was some damn good sex after I had a one-on-one hang out/got a beer with her father. But, normally raised girls will see their father as an alpha so that interaction can be tricky. I kinda noticed from my family that the guys who get along the best (as in “hanging out” and acting as a friend to siblings etc.) were the ones who maybe looked more invested or beta to the girl and actually ended up turning the girl off. My outlook is this: avoid long interactions with her family as much as possible. Almost be a challenge (aloof and indifferent) to her family because they will continue with “we want to meet him” or they gather an idea of he is a high value man hard to get at. I’m just blabbering now. PS your blog and these topics are very intriguing. it’s actually driving me a little crazy…? tips on helping ectomorphs from overanalysis but still quality analysis would be a beneficial post to everyone too b/c the majority here probably are ecto’s seeing as we are all analyzing lol. Thanks, bro?
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I suspect guys are a lot more impressed with muscles than girls are. Girls are more interested in the bony frame including height.
I don’t know about the family meeting situation, reading what CH writes now I did it about as he says with my wife’s family, but that wasn’t by any sort of planning.
I do know this. No girl is out of any guy’s league. If a guy can get a girl just from having money (boy have I seen that happen) then you could add another attractor in place of money. Guys’ SMV is more under their control than girls’ is. Guys can adjust their smell by, say, a nice cologne. Girls cannot adjust their appearance very much.
If the family is talking this much about you, it may be your game now to lose. Do you want her? Then propose.
I’m not for all this ultra long getting to know you relationship bullshit. Get on with it.
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It’s not the money. It’s what the money allows you to do — dominate. Girls can adjust their appearance by being non-fat (it’s really a big deal).
Girls like muscles. They’re a huge add to your attractiveness — I’m not saying muscles are necessary, but facts are facts. If you lift and get low on bf, you have the facial improvements, the muscle improvements, and the T improvement = tons of great stuff for a guy.
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The problem with them tho is that you get them and your standards rise and you’re back to square 1 —> all the new girls you want are being chased by a bunch of dudes who have muscles lol.
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The problem with them tho is that you get them and your standards rise and you’re back to square 1 —> all the new girls you want are being chased by a bunch of dudes who have muscles lol.
I have solved this problem. I can assure you that after I have started weightlifting my standards have remained as low as ever. It’s a philosophical thing, I promise.
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I just haven’t seen it pay off in visible results. I don’t see hot girls out with guys with bulging muscles. I see very muscular men with 5’s. Now if a guys has muscles from being a pro athlete, sure, but not from what you can accomplish in the gym.
I think it makes you feel better and boosts your T. But then you’ve got to keep lifting or it turns soft.
Over in Asia, I saw the hottest women with fat ugly guys wearing fat gold chains. The top businessmen didn’t wear fat gold chains, they looked like conventional businessmen and did not even have the hottest looking wives. This was more thug style, and gold is magnetic when it comes to pussy, there it was at least.
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Ya you see muscular men with 5’s because of my comment above. Like….if you walk into a bar with muscles, you have to do no work to get a 5. None. You will bang her that night. Guaranteed.
The hotter girls are less impressed because every guy chasing them has muscles.
And yeah, you do have to keep lifting….lol so? It’s a lifestyle choice. Don’t do it just for pussy.
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Well OK that makes some sense.
But how long can you lift? Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn’t lift and is fat. And he has all the healthcare coverage to ensure that he gets back in ghe gym whenever he wants.
Charles Atlas lived to a ripe old age, I think. But he didn’t lift weights supposedly. He had a “dynamic tension” system that doesn’t use weights, and I still do some of those whenever I feel like it. You can do them in the train or in the office. It’s surely slower for building the bulk though.
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Like….if you walk into a bar with muscles, you have to do no work to get a 5.
A guy walks into a bar with muscles.
“Muscles?” he exclaims. “I wanted mussels!”
Bada-bom, bish!
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Seriously though, I’m gonna shame you all into picking up dumbbells and barbells and checking out the basic weightlifting routines over at bodybuilding.com’s forum. Look at this guy, just look at him:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-evolution-change-within-weeks-transformation-in-mere-months/
From doughy to sculptured. I deeply respect this, because I know it takes work. And as for game, of course it’s not all there is to it, but having an athletic body most definitely helps.
Look at this woman:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/you-want-to-eat-like-a-hunter-gatherer
She skipped the wheat and picked up the dumbbells, fat loss then comes naturally. This is what you want to do, boys and girls alike, no goddamn jogging that reduces muscle mass, pancakes your ass and causes stress hormone and hunger. Squats and lunges with dumbbells or barbells in your hands are the building blocks for sexy buttocks, for men and women alike. (Don’t think women don’t notice.)
And finally:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-fat-burning-beast
She is forty-five, he is forty. They have bodies better than most twenty-somethings. In the Before picture you can only see their faces, but you can tell how the doughiness has turned to awesomeness.
An attractive body that beats more than 90 percent of the competition, that is what you get from weightlifting done the right way. You also feel more energetic and self-assured. And you prevent back pains in your old age, which I guarantee you would have otherwise. Same as with dental floss to preserve your teeth, start preparing now.
Weightlifting isn’t everything in game, but it is a strong factor. If you aren’t improving your body, your most important tool, how can you expect for the rest of your game to make up for that? Lift weights, it is fun and it is very good for you. I know it was good for me to start with this.
[CH: It is not enough to pursue the swole. One must *be* the swole.]
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Arbiter, comments on your three links:
(1) The guy certainly looks a lot better without a shirt, and I am sure he’s stronger too, and lost some weight which is good. How much different would he look with a shirt on, first photo to last?
(2) The woman definitely lost weight which is good. Those shoulders are a turnoff to me, though. Way way too masculine for me. Those shoulders on a young woman would also be a turnoff to me.
(3) Thanks for the third link about carb-burning, I have started dong some caveman-diet stuff (can’t think of the name for it) and it’s good. This article will be useful reading for me.
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paleo diet
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Yeah Arbiter, I totally agree about fitness and muscles. However, a beta who lifts will just eventually be a beta with muscles. Like, you have to go out and just put yourself through shit to change your psychology.
If I wouldn’t have put myself out there while I was still fat and out of shape starting out, I would probably get all self-conscious when someone tries to step now — “whoa dude, you’re eating a SALAD?” “whoa, you’re like a chick with the way you watch your food….”
I’d say some stupid shit like “oh naaah I mean, I can cut up sometimes….” “ha nah I’m not like a chick, man I just…”
Instead I’m just like “….glad to blow your mind.” /smirk-total-nonreact.
I really don’t get how someone with muscles can be an insecure faggot. But I mean…….the misc reveals all.
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I was a beta who started lifting and now I’m a lesser alpha who gained 40lbs of muscle in 4 years.
CH was my inner game, lifting is my outer game.
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Thanks for your reply to my question in your “How to game Attention Whores” post Heartiste. I just saw it and noticed quite a few people asking for pics of the girl getting kissed, so I though it would be interesting to show:
It was labelled with “cute lol” on fb.
Let me know what you think.
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Goofy pic, not a sexy pic. Do you know for sure it’s not her brother?
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Yeah I’m pretty sure.
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I don’t know how to edit posts, so sorry for the double post. I forgot to add, why do you ask if its her brother, is it important?
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Sure. If he was her brother, it means she’s just goofing with you in an amiable way, and the door would still be open.
But he’s not. The pic doesn’t change my take of your situation. She’s fucking around with you and has no intentions other than playing head games and laughing about you with her bf. Contrary to another commenter above, I really don’t think this is a case where what she really wants is to see more beta attainability from you. If things change, update us. I’m curious where this plane is gonna land/crash.
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Photoshop your face onto her body in that pic and send it back. At a minimum it’ll annoy her bf.
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+1 for fun.
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@mercifulboss
objectively, this is a very average looking chick. don’t kick yourself if you don’t bang her. many other women to talk to.
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I haven’t given this as much thought as many others here, but a girl who sends that kind of pic is a bitch. Enough said.
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Yeah I agree. Why even be seen dealing with that situation? Next.
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@darkhorse..
I likes your style brother. When I’m not feeding her brain sex thoughts at every possible turn, I normally end every shit test with.. “Let me see your tits” (pulling up her shirt) or Make something to eat I’m starved” or “Where are we food wise?” (ala king of queens) Completely ignoring her words totally. This drives her batty like Bruce wayne !
Great post! You guys are cool..
Domination kids, fuck em like you OWN them!
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Fuck that man your girl HAS to know that whatever her mouth can cunt up, you will lay hard pipe whether SHE likes it or not…
Like, you can hate me, call me asshole, bitch, liar, but I’m STILL gonna be choke fuckin you when I get off the john silly girl.
This is how we learn…
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On theory I have on why women may be a whole lot cooler with a man having another woman is that historically more women in the household meant the workload could be better shared. Indeed, in the past, the women in many societies were happy to welcome new women to the fold. There was usually a head-wife of some sort who managed the household, including the wives and concubines. That said, I think that for the good of civilization 1 man 1 woman should stay (although in our ever more barbaric society I doubt it’ll stay that way), and I believe that while polygamy isn’t ipso facto a sin by Christian standards, it is still a sin to do so in the US because the law against polygamy does not violate the Bible and Christians are to be subject to the powers insofar as they don’t violate the Bible.
[CH: But in a polygamous system, a wife would also have to share her husband’s resources (time, money, love) with his mistress. So it’s not so clear-cut that such an arrangement is to the benefit of all the women even if the household work is shared (something which sounds plausible but for which there is very little evidence from European antiquity that that actually occurred).]
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True, but on your last point, the one in parentheses, multiple concubines were very popular among the Northern Europeans who made a habit of raiding other lands and taking women along with the spoils. Those concubines served a similar role to that of additional wives in ancient Middle Eastern cultures. In a book called Every Day in the Life of the Viking Age, the author, Jacqueline Simpson, wrote “Concubines were customary, but they were always of the lowest social class. A wife could tolerate them because they never endangered her marriage; they went with the mixture of monogamy and polygamy which made up her husband’s character.” The concubines would have been used as any other slaves in Viking society (and that of other Northern Europeans until Northern Europe became Christianized), which means that they would largely be under the power of the wife, who extensively managed the household and much of the agricultural matters while the men were gone for long periods of time. European antiquity is rife with at least concubinage which is nearly the same as polygamy because the result is largely the same: One “main” woman and several lesser women. At any rate, I meant to put these comments on the other post you made this day – my bad man.
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The concubines would have been used as any other slaves in Viking society
Yes, that’s the thing: they were not “concubines”, they were thralls who worked and who were also used for sex. That is not at all the same as concubines, who will be given a higher position that a wife would have a lot more trouble with.
Thralls, not slaves, mind. (The word “slave” comes from the Vikings taking so many Slavs as thralls.) They were not bought and sold at slave auctions, they were taken in battle and raids, fair and square. This evolved naturally, because when you had beaten an enemy, what would you do with him? Set him free and he will come after you again. You could kill him. If he didn’t want to be killed you had to bring him back with you, and then of course he’d have to work. This was accepted by all sides, who all did the same thing – the Vikings were just generally better at it, so they were the ones who became known for their raiding skills.
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A concubine is simply a woman who lives on a man’s property and has lower status than a wife (and is used for sexual purposes), so a woman can be both a thrall and a concubine.
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If I want a woman to help out around the house, I pay her. And then she leaves.
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That sounds so dirty. Sexual predator.
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How can it be dirty if she’s the cleaning lady?
(good one, Syndi, show ’em how its done)
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Are you a man?
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Why? Are you “that way”? 🙂
(I can’t play these games anymore. Maya, get off the bench and get in here.)
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@kate
Maya just learned about rim jobs and squirting. She’s not ready to play yet.
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That carpet needs cleaning.
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Yes, you’re lucky to be born in the modern era where such a thing is even possible.
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and I believe that while polygamy isn’t ipso facto a sin by Christian standards,
You’re wrong about this. The Catholic Church banned polygamy, and also states that Jesus banned it himself.
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Well, I am not Catholic, and I don’t see anywhere in the Bible at all where polygamy is banned. God is sovereign and He gave King David and all the others their multiple wives and concubines. The New Testament makes clear that pastor’s should be the husband of one wife, but it doesn’t say everyone should be.
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The Old Testament is irrelevant. God permitted it in the Old Testament “out of the hardness of mankind’s hearts”, but changed it to monogamy in the New Testament. As for “I don’t see it in the Bible”, there are lots of things that aren’t in the Bible.
I always get irritated at polygamy pushers. It goes against basic mathematics (105 men per 100 women).
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Back in the day the math made a lot more sense. I’m not pro-polygamy per se, nor do I push it by any means, I just don’t think it’s a clear cut sin. In fact, in the Old Testament some men were commanded to be polygamists – if their brother died they’d take his wife. You may be correct that polygamy is a sin, and I certainly would not practice it and would highly discourage anyone from practicing it, but I don’t think it’s something that’s wrong 100% of the time. If I got shipwrecked on an island in the 1700’s with 3 women and no hope of escape, you bet I’d take all 3 and father the great island nation of Aquilatopia, and I think God would be fine with it.
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Here’s one I had with my ex gf who got in touch a few weeks back by coming to my New Years party. Since then she’s been texting regularly.
I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.
Her: Ping text of photo of a cat: “This meow was meowing at me” (opens me after a week of radio silence from me)
Me: hahaha you smell like pate (neg)
Her: no I smell like chocolate (responding playfully)
Me: I’m craving noodles (ignoring her and reframing)
Me: out and about? (comfort text asking her about her day)
Her; I’m feeling stressed and frustrated, need chocolate. (some outreach for sympathy which I ignore)
Her: sends photo of bikini and some jewelery box (more attention grabbing nonsense)
Her: My first bikini
Me: Model it for me (asshole response ordering her around)
Ends there. 6 messages from her, 3 responses from me.
A lot of text game is really just about pushing it or not giving a shit.
in the original post here the guy seems overly invested.
In my text game which I think it getting decent, I can get girls invested in the chat or coming back for more.
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“I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.”
Dude, what are you doing? After all the stuff I wrote about Soft Nexts, you’re still validating her shitty behavior?? I can tell you exactly how this will end but I don’t think you’d listen anymore. You’re txting her because you’re in scarcity and need her attention and she knows it. That’s why she sends a pic of her bikini instead of a pic of her IN her bikini, because that’s the bait to see if you want a pic of her IN it, and you took the bait. You are now chasing her even tho you thought you were being an asshole ordering her around. You’ve now given her “hand”.
It’s sneaky how she turns it around hey? And hard to truly stay radio silent. But now it will take a year to turn it around.
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@YaReally…Wow…this all crept up on me without me really paying that close attention. The irony here is I’m not in scarcity mode. I have 3 different girls I’m seeing. But perhaps that is what’s prompting her to reach out? I’m pretty much over it so the content of the responses is aloof….but that’s not the point, the response itself is the issue. I’m not sure why I’m not totally getting this. Context trumps content in game. That is the insight I get from your post/response.
They way you deconstruct this totally fits: these are the kind of “trial texts” girls send to gauge interest. When she gets the response that is the goal in itself not any further interaction. So it’s generate sympathy: nothing, generate response: nothing, make it sexual: response—mission accomplished.
She’s gaming me without me realizing it or being fully conscious of it.
In my mind I’m thinking how clever these responses are but what’s missing is that context is as important as the content itself.
I’m thinking I’m being clever by being aloof. But the dynamic is about generating a response not the content of that response.
I’m now on holiday so won’t see her at our weekly events or be easy to contact for 3 weeks. We’re not friends on FB.
I never told her I was going away.
Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?
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Lmfao
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“Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?”
Yup. You’re starting over from scratch now except now you’ve caved like 5 times so the length of time it’ll take is fucking forever. Literally no contact for a 6mo to a year, maybe more. Quit fucking it up lol
She was ALWAYS texting you. You haven’t gained any kind of ground with your aloof shit. She’s doing the exact same Rolodex shit she did on week 1 except now she’s getting attention from you. You could have taken her back on week one, like I told you, that was never in doubt. The point of this is to teach her that drama isn’t okay so that if you take her back she’ll have learned not to cause you drama. You’ve undone the last bunch of months of work because you got cocky and thought you were being mr aloof badass but any news is good news.
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@YaReally
Here’s an important learning for anyone reading or following this. Intellectually all the game ideas are easy to grasp.
But the only true test is through experience.
There is a concept called “hoovering” Like the vacuum cleaner brand: Hoover where the “Emotional Vampire” who leaves or whom you dump for creating drama and sucking the life out of you tries to lure you back.
When you read about this, it’s usually quite dramatic: they fake suicide, they threaten all sorts of drama.
But these texts I’m receiving…are clear examples of “hoovering”.
I think on one level my game is quite good.
But I have a blind spot–perhaps a good idea for a post–what is your game blind spot?
My blind spot is that somewhere inside I believe that there is a technique, a structure, an idea that can help reverse any situation.
But sometimes walking away IS the solution. As you’ve rightly pointed out and has been borne out by the facts, the “end” for her is drama whereas the “end” for me would be a bang, a relationship or something more tangible.
Hard to grasp but necessary.
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wala, I think you’re getting too wrapped up in the situations. Yes I know that what we do here is to discuss situations so it’s not a fair sample of how you spend your life, but still you seem very attached to these situations.
Focus on yourself and how you are feeling. Is it like “oh shit” when this chick texts you? Then ignore. Not to teach her a lesson, but because you want to ignore it.
Wouldn’t it be more fun to open some new girls? You write about your social circle, but can you break, out of it? Join some sort of club or activity, take up yoga, whatever. Become more aloof from your current social circle because you are too busy. Not an excuse, a fact. Not the old walawala, the new walawalawala.
zolozolzozlzoz…
Just some random thoughts.
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@Family Man Thanks. I would love to do or see a post on game blind spots.
What is your blind spot? Mine is this.
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@walawala
“My blind spot is that somewhere inside I believe that there is a technique, a structure, an idea that can help reverse any situation.”
No, there IS a technique that can reverse this situation. It’s called a Soft Next and it works exactly how I’ve described it to you 50 times over the past like 6 months.
You just haven’t ever ACTUALLY executed it properly. You keep half-assing it or sabotaging it (going to weekly parties with her there) or trying to find loopholes where you can stay in touch with her (txting aloofly) or doing it for a couple weeks then caving yet again and having to start the Soft Next over again, except each time you add another few months onto how long it’ll have to take. You’re now at a solid YEAR of NO CONTACT and her NOT seeing you, before she’ll give up and you could take her back.
Your blind spot isn’t that you think there’s a technique but there isn’t actually one. The technique is a Soft Next, executed exactly how I’ve described it. Your blind spot is that you can’t see that you keep self-sabotaging the technique and you’ve convinced yourself that just because you have other girls on the go somehow that allows you to circumvent the rules of the Soft Next.
I, and all the combined PUA knowledge of the last 10+ years, am telling you 2 + 2 = 4 and you’re trying 2 + 1, 2 + 3, 3 + 3…every variation in the book you can think of, thinking you can scam the system and break the rules and get the same result…the only version of the formula you haven’t ACTUALLY executed is the one that WORKS.
I’m not trying to be a dick, but the message doesn’t seem to be getting thru to you, your brain keeps going “okay okay ya I should soft next…but what if instead of a full soft next, I invite her to my New Years party?” Like no, that’s not how it works and you’re just extending things to the point where you will end up having to either no contact radio silence no weekly parties vanish for 5 years till she’s old and gross, or take her back and accept that you will be grey haired and balding prematurely from all the drama she’ll bring you because you rewarded her for it…multiple times.
@Scray
“I feel your pain. I can’t NEXT for shit. It’s hard for me to punish people I care about….fuark.”
I’m not saying it’s easy esp when you’re new to game, but caring about them is WHY you have to punish them. They need you to bring order and stability to their chaotic life. In the same way you deny your daughter cookies for dinner every night so she learns healthy eating habits and doesn’t grow up to be obese, you deny a woman who’s bringing you drama your attention so she learns to stop ruining her relationship with you and you can have a healthier solid relationship together.
aka it’s ultimately for their own good.
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I 100% completely agree, Ya. It’s extremely effective, I’ve just only managed to do it twice and only for like a week each time. It’s just a weakness I have. And I don’t like doing it. Maybe that’s how parents feel
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@YaReally/Scray
Thanks. I just got a text from her and didn’t respond. “loopholes”…yes I’m doing this.
Yes she hasn’t changed. I disappear, she’s sweet again. I reply in some manner, she goes cold or makes up reasons not to meet.
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Me: No wait, have your little sister model it. Thanks, I’ll send you a box of chocolates.
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I feel your pain. I can’t NEXT for shit. It’s hard for me to punish people I care about….fuark.
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Hey guys! Glad to see and read everything that’s been going on. I’ve done a few new things lately (a few more makeouts ( no lays yet), some leading (me and a wing lead two girls we just met into a cab… but bailed because I got trapped in my head… anyway, it was still cool), told a story to group of girls, got some more wingmen, etc). It’s still freaking cold but I go out every weekend starting Thursday.
Lol walawala, be like ICE and cut her off for good man. Delete her number, delete your Facebook, whatever it takes so you don’t have to see her. It’ll be fine in the long run (if you don’t trust me, trust YaReally).
I don’t really have any questions since I know my absolute main problem is leading (in convos, escalation, physical leading, etc.). I’ll post some detail on this sticking point later today. Still going at it nonetheless. Keep it up guys, it’s gonna be great!
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@Hunter
Glad you’re still goin’ at it. I’ve got my own shit going on right now I’m not around as much (moving to a new city and have to rebuild my entire social circle, harem, etc. from scratch here), but keep at it. You’ll be hitting the ground running in summer if you go out in the winter…reframe it like: only the hardcore party people are out at the bar in the winter, all the girls there want to get laid…the ones with boyfriends are curled up at home with them, drinking hot chocolate and watching Ryan Gosling movies. The girls still throwing on skirts and heels and trudging through the cold to the bar are looking for a dude so they can STOP having to do that lol
That’s the mentality I fostered to survive waiting at the bus-stop in knee-deep snow 4 nights a week back in the day. 😉
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@YaReally: Regarding chicks going to bars in winter – so simple but something I never contemplated and connected. That’s why I give you props. Think about all the dudes that are hesitant to approach girls at bars. I bet if they had just this tiny (seemingly insignificant) observation, they’d be more willing to approach during the winter months. Haha. Guy: “Shouldn’t you be home with your man drinking hot chocolate and watching Ryan Gosling movies?” Girl: “Well, I, qualifying-shit, blah blah blah.”
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Great to hear from you, man. This time last year I was where you are…worse actually because I hadn’t gotten any makeouts yet lol
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But should you text a girl you rape?
RAPE!
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Text her a countdown immediately before.
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win.
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Painful to view, makes utterly more sense now.
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Great chat example showing how overdoing and being too much of a bad ass can be quite counterproductive. Indeed, there must be no way back from “let me know how it goes for you.” Girls inundated with messages online are just looking for any reason to filter guys out to make the picking easier for themselves, and this kind of interaction was plenty to cut this guy out.
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Great chat example showing how overdoing and being too much of a bad ass can be quite counterproductive.
No! You must tell the bitch that SHE should chase YOU! Tell her exactly how things are gonna be from now on and she will beg you to take her aggressively and mercilessly with no kissing involved, because that’s what they’re like, the filthy trollops! Anything else is cowardly beta feminist white-knighting loser talk! And if you say you want a relationship with a woman, that’s so faggoty!
…Sorry, just channeling PUA keyboard jockeys there for a moment.
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@Arbiter…hilarious.
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“I’m a doctor” game. A couple hours rehearsing talking points could lead to a lot of fun. Talk about random hospital shit for a while, it doesn’t even have to be doctoring (doctors don’t generally help nurses), then say “I’m a cardiologist, that’s a heart doctor” or something like that.
http://redditlog.com/snapshots/116845
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On the subject of fat shaming–a stellar piece of cultural jamming–a SWPL favorite band’s hit song morphed into a fatty-fug shaming anthem:
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Golden nuggets are abundant on this site. Thank your for MANkind.
“Sharing unconditionnal love Alpha game?”
How do you go about superimposing niceness/goodness – not as a means to an end (I am being nice to her because I want to fuck her), but as a true reflection of the good person you are trying to be – on an alpha frame. Sort of like a biker Jesus (“don’t fuck with me but I love all human beings and I wish all the women who didn’t want to fuck me happiness and love with their lover).
Is their such a thing as überAlpha (I am of the impression that only a strong alpha or sigma could pull this off congruently and get some) good person game/ Alpha without the douchebaggery?
It seems like unphased silence is the only option when shit tested or in text game. Or is it the case that the Dalaï Lama attitude just doesn’t get you laid. Then again TV show persona “Patrick Jane” of the mentalist (aloof, independant, never a bad word only ever gently teasing people) comes to mind.
Would really appreciate an answer.
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“How do you go about superimposing niceness/goodness – not as a means to an end (I am being nice to her because I want to fuck her), but as a true reflection of the good person you are trying to be – on an alpha frame. Sort of like a biker Jesus (“don’t fuck with me but I love all human beings and I wish all the women who didn’t want to fuck me happiness and love with their lover).”
Forget about niceness. First, you want to be strong (body and mind). Then you want to act for the good of people (gf, friends, etc).
You think being good means being nice. But these are not synonyms. Nice means compromising, arranging, good means an unequivocal behaviour. You think being good is easy? You think telling your friend he is a major beta going nowhere is easy? Or telling your gf that she needs to step up her game and efforts? That’s pretty tough, it takes time and effort. What’s the alternative? You shut up and stay passive, limiting your exposure to bullshit. Much less stressful, but morally that’s not tenable.
As a rule of thumb, you don’t want girls to think you’re “nice”, it’s very bad. Girls will usually be quiet around you and will listen to your advice or ask for your opinion once you get a good grasp of “good game”. It’s not easy but it’s fulfilling.
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Cool advice. You are right about pointing my mixing of the two terms (niceness and goodness). Lost in translation I must confess.
Could you elaborate on that being good and alpha part as I tend to merge alphaness with douchebaggery.
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Consider a military unit. (The animal kingdom also works but everyone’s said that one already.) The officer in charge has responsibility for the men in his unit. He’s the alpha and the men trust him. They’d better trust him. If they don’t trust him, look up “fragging”, they can try to eliminate him. The officer in charge doesn’t usually bother to be nice to his men but he may save their lives.
It’s best if a woman has at least some of that feeling in your relationship.
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too much responsibility to idiots in this scenario.
i prefer to deal with men of my caliber. think SO soldiers and small teams vs. a platoon strength of normal army fuckups with a strong commander.
women then fall in waaaaaay below, wherever they can. not my job to figure out how a broad can fit in to my world. same thing in a marriage. a woman will trust you and defer only to the level of the weakest relationship you have modeled to her.
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Well yeah, it’s not like your preferred sort of military unit. There are a few intelligent girls with special skills, SO material, but I am currently in possession of a significant percentage of them.
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Whenever you hear “nice” or “nice guy”, substitute “sucker”. And the rule is, never give a sucker an even break.
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The faggot stewardess epidemic is becoming a real problem.
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10312446
This is because faggots are like women at their worst, all the time. Take the behavior of a woman in her worst PMS moment, make it permanent, and you have a faggot flight attendant.
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I am liking Geno Smith more and more. And I’m a Jets fan. This sounds like some of the shit my 7th grader gets from certain bitch teachers at school.
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lol, is it so hard to understand that this kind of heartiste shit only works when ATTRACTION is already there?
let’s see how would go if you were trying to fuck an uninterested hottie:
you: hey (alpha, no punctuation, lol, only way to get her attention since she won’t ever ever ever ever ever text you since she doesn’t give a shit about you)
her: hi 🙂 (best of cases if she responds to you because you have some importance in the common social circle you could share e.g. university / college, otherwise lol)
you are the chaser now, so any bullshit you could do is always framed as you are the chaser. So the shit like: “LOL, WUT MAKES U THINK DATE LOL? BRING DA MOVIES” won’t work
[CH: You don’t know what you’re talking about. Read the archives. The attitude exemplified in all these outcome indifference techniques is catnip to women. *Especially” hotties. It actually builds attraction.
Of course, you have no intention of reading the archives, because you’re a troll with three fingers up his vagina.]
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You can say that about anything. “If she is already attracted to you, X doesn’t matter.” “If she isn’t attracted to you, X doesn’t matter either.”
You can say the same for sales and many other things. “If the customer has already decided to buy the car, X doesn’t matter. If he has decided not to buy the car, X doesn’t matter either.”
So it is with many things in life. But the point is that there are many cases on the fence, many cases that can go either way, and those are the ones you affect with the right game.
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Yes, but what he’s saying is that this type of game is for the girls who already want to buy the car lol
It’s dogshit for a girl on the fence.
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If a girl already wants to buy the car then there is very little you need to do. Practically never does it happen that you meet a girl who is determined from the start to sleep with you, and that’s when you need game, unless you want to wait for a couple of years to find someone who is DTF just falling in your lap. But he’s an amateur. He can’t affect outcomes. So that’s why he claims that there is no such thing as a man affecting the outcome.
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If a girl is “on the fence”, what you need to do is build her attraction. This game is about the best way of doing it. It may work, it may not, but it’s the best try.
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What game? Role reversal instantly? No you don’t build attraction with that kind of game. There’s really no way around solid DHV’ing to build attraction.
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+3 bajillion.
Always trying to explain this shit. Again, the dudes who are uber impressed by this are either KJ’s or dudes who let their looks do the work for them. When you’re going after a new hottie who has no reason to be instantly attracted, this shit will not cut it. Ever.
[CH: The nohomo vagina above is a long-time troll hater (same diff) who deals in nothing but strawmen. No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls. There’s a seaason for everything. A man has to bust a move first to ever get to a point when he can start dropping “chase me” game.]
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I understand no one has claimed it, but it’s undeniable that — for whatever reason — a ton of guys in these comments take that message away.
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The question is not what people take away or don’t take away, the question is that “nohomo” is wrong in his nonsense claim that there is no such thing as game. Personally I know it works. I have a date a few hours from now that I wouldn’t have without game. I date all the time; for the entire period that I have been writing here at CH I have also practiced, not preached. I just don’t write about it here because I usually don’t see my personal stuff relating to whatever is the topic of the day. But yeah, game works.
Of course, you can always score a few points online by bragging about how you don’t care about game, you see it all the time in forums. These people however have zero to say, zero knowledge for anyone, they are just bragging with nothing to back it up.
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Oh, I figured he was just talking about this type of game only working if attraction was already present. To say that “game” doesn’t exist is ridiculous — of course there are personality traits that, if demonstrated, make you more attractive lol
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I didn’t get that impression. Which guys have that impression?
You have to show confidence. It’s just a female, regardless of her HB level, just fucking go up and talk to her and have a shitty attitude about it. Hasn’t this been said over and over here? Maybe describing the attitude as “shitty” is my novelty, but it seems the word fits. As in “don’t put on your best behavior”.
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A lot of guys have that impression. For example, you show them a chatty text and they’re like ‘hahaha nah, I would have said ‘gay.” Or they’re convinced that success = being a terse/indifferent asshole.
I believe that this just stems from Keyboard Jockeys who never go out and so they have a picture of how the world works based on whatever “logic” circuits they have in their brain — usually just itself influenced by movies/TV.
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A lot of the good examples cited are movies and TV. Do you think that’s totally unrealistic?
I’ll admit I thought the examples were usually good realistic game models. But I’m in what’s now called a Very LTR.
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Yes 99.9% of movies and TV are garbage in how they depict relationships. There’s a good-looking guy and the girl is instantly attracted. Or the guy is a total beta and the girl just falls into his lap after he ‘proves’ how reliable/trusthworthy he is or some stupid shit.
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Scray, have you ever actually tried it, pretending you’re a leading-man type guy even if you don’t look like it?
Women watch movies. They might fall into character.
I dunno, the mental model helps me at parties and such, wondering where you find it lacking.
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Nope, I don’t — because that isn’t me. Why would a non-leading man try to do that? That’s just setting yourself up to fail. You’re playing the game by their rules. The fact of the matter is is that there are many paths to succeeding with women — if that weren’t true, then there wouldn’t be so many different mating strategies deployed by males throughout the animal kingdom.
So like, if you roll into the club and you’re anything but 6’2, rich, male model looks, fit….then doing the brooding silent thing is a race you aren’t going to win — there are other guys there who were born to play that part. I mean, this is going to sound corny, but you have to be your true self (I hate saying that bc like….it’s hard to explain without sounding like the classic ‘just be yourself’)
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I agree with nohomo lol. The reason buddy up there bombed is because he didn’t have shit for value with that chick who was super high value compared to him and was on turf where she’s high value.
She’s some smokin hot stripper-lookin chick and he’s a dude on a fucking dating site. Like no offense to the OP, but being a dude opening girls on the Internet is AUTOMATICALLY a huge DLV. Is George Clooney opening girls on OKCupid? Fuck no. For a girl who looks like that, who’s going to have high enough value to 1) run that confident assume-attraction game and have it work and 2) be high enough value to make her chase him? It’s NOT the guy opening girls on the fucking Internet lol it’s the high-value guy with balls who cold approaches her after she sees a bunch of DHV shit in front of her face. It’s the guy who’s shaking hands with the manager and has other hot girls on his arm or running up to him in front of her, or who she’s heard from her friends is an asshole because he fucked them but wouldn’t commit, and who’s body language and voice tonality and eye contact and physicality she can experience first-hand during his approach etc. it’s not “LonelyInMiami33” opening her online with “sorry, you can’t fuck me”. Her instant response in her head is “(shrug) okay.” with a raised eyebrow of who gives a fuck.
“No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls.”
To be fair that’s pretty much the M.O. of the entire rooshvforum and half the rest of the manosphere. Put on your fancy custom-tailored suit with matching pocket square and watch and “post up” at the bar waiting for pussy to jump on your dick, then bang the 5/10 “lizard” that approaches you (cause the 8+/10s ain’t approaching men, they don’t have to) and lol to your buddies online that you were slumming it for a lark when the reality is you haven’t pulled a hot girl in a year…then go off to EE where you can do the same thing but your custom suit makes you even more attractive so you don’t have to actually have any game.
So like, I see his point lol
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Unrelated comment:
CH, surprised you haven’t analysed American Beauty (movie). There is a lot in there to talk about…
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The Onion makes fun of the Desperate Male of the Month:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/woman-confusingly-tells-area-man-shes-not-interest,34984/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview%3A1%3ADefault
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“That’s fair. Let me know how that goes for you.”
All due respect, this line would be awful game. There’s a world of difference between being uncaring/aloof, and basically saying “fuck off.”
I think this one would be much better:
HER: Well I’m not convinced yet. I’d have to confirm you’re safe and normal first…
HIM: I am according to the parole board.
[CH: Agreed. The role reversal technique is meant to be used as a template, not a line by line substitution system.]
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Wow, I like this castle … looks a bit scary. What’s going on inside?
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Squirting.
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what’s squirting?
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It’s when the dongle sets fire to the hoohah, and the hoohah tries to put it out.
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haha
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heh heh
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http://thestir.cafemom.com/love_sex/166420/womans_intense_3hour_orgasm_lands
[CH: “reenactment”. boo. T(oo)SFW warning next time.]
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It’s Maya’s fault.
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ok, i googled it
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You’re late. Bring beer or a wet t-shirt or GTFO.
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What about rimming or getting rimmed?
[CH: not my scene.]
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i learn a lot of new words at this blog … why anyone would do that?!
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i mean this thing HB mentioned …
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http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/51-fra.html
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As the actual sender of the OKC message, just thought I would chime in. First thanks everyone for the input and response here, especially CH.
I guess my initial reaction is that I’d already attempted role reversal here. Most girls on these sites respond with the garden variety “promise me you won’t do XYZ/promise me you’re safe/promise me you’re not a creep/etc.” qualifiers all the time.
True, I didn’t have the well-thought out, witty retort or DHV’s that many have recommended here. But truthfully, it’s because I didn’t put much thought into the response at the time and wasn’t focused on trying to win her over: I honestly DID just want to confirm this girl was safe and normal. Trust me, if you’d seen her profile pictures (a few modeling pictures, stripper poses, etc.), you’d want to confirm the same. Smoking hot of course, but there are obvious STD concerns here. Chalk the rejection up to over-gaming I guess, but at least it the frame it was coming from was honest.
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re: confirming that a girl is safe or normal – that would be appropriate if she approached you. but you approached her online. your messaging with 100 other guys who want this girl, and you’re saying “hello, I’m not sure I want you.” that doesn’t really work. she hasn’t offered you her pussy yet. comes across as not confident.
re: std’s – slap a condom on it and you have nothing to worry about.
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also..all these girls are qualifying BECAUSE they are being approached.
and if you are actually confirming online if she’s safe or normal, you’re come off like a weirdo. so what if she isn’t normal? you don’t have the social grace to cut the date off immediately?
You come off as really uptight and that’s a huge turn off for women. No fun-loving stripper is going for that, fyi.
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I think it’s easier to just make a great profile and wait for girls to message you. It’s really rare that girls won’t accept a date if they’re the one who messaged you/clicked the I want to meet you button or let you know they visited your profile. I put some good pictures up, wrote a very funny/witty profile and it did the work by itself. I still get shut down here and there but there’s so many girls on OKC that I don’t see the point of fretting over one, or even a dozen mishaps. There’s also a point where a girl just isn’t even worth responding to or trying to get out on a date. TBH I think you’re an OKC noob and just need to get some more experience on there, and then things like this won’t seem out of the ordinary.
One last thing – don’t qualify a girl to find out if she’s “safe and normal” from the Internet. That’s something that’s either impossible to assess, or is already blatantly obvious. Just take her out to coffee for 30 minutes and assess her there. The whole goal of OKC or any dating site is simply to get her number and coffee or lunch, that’s it.
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TBH I think you’re an OKC noob and just need to get some more experience on there, and then things like this won’t seem out of the ordinary.
Okay, “noob”? Come on. This is not that kind of gaming forum.
Women only initiate contact when the guy puts up pictures that are very attractive. Kudos, Aquila, you have that apparently. But don’t think that the witty text does anything. And as you get older, it will be hard to put up a picture that generates spontaneous approaches by women, even when you are among the most attractive for your age group. They are weird like that. Indeed, women online are far more picky about looks than men online.
Personally I look average, my ego would say somewhat above average. When I still used dating sites, years ago, I decided to test something: I got a picture of a highly attractive guy from Hot or Not and made a fake ad that said basically the same thing as my real ad. And that ad got so many replies from women who thought the text was “so funny” and “so interesting” to read, commenting on it in detail. Even though it was pretty much the same as my real text.
Which taught me that if you are only online, it will be very damaging to your ego. However, there are still good women to find online. You will just have to contact dozens, hundreds of women to find those one or two. But hey, you only need to find one. Same as job hunting or looking up ads for available apartments.
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I like the word noob, sue me.
I don’t think he’d submit this question if he had even a month experience with OKC. As for your point about looks over being funny you might be right, I’ll have to test it by using my same words on a different account with a fat guy picture or something.
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I won’t sue you, but the word is meant to be insulting in a teenage-style way. To insult someone for being a beginner at something is shitty. It is something teenagers do online because they want to find something, anything, tangible that they can use to attack other people online with. So they choose the amount of time someone has spent playing a useless game, as that is the tangible thing they can attack him for. No class at all. Saying this without hostility, I think you should reconsider. It feels much better to clear one’s language from the pre-packaged memes you see, and it helps you steer your own way. It’s a step in the right direction. Always think your own thought, all other thoughts reject; learn to use your own brain, and boldly stand erect.
Yes, definitely, make an account with a less attractive picture and a text that says pretty much the same thing. (Not an exact copy.) It doesn’t even have to be a fat guy, just a less attractive guy. There will be silence.
And the other thing, as I said, as you get older (28+) and you do online dating, women are less and less impressed even by a decent-looking picture, and treat those the way they treat ugly pictures (i.e. no response at all). It’s weird. Then again. Maybe it’s about what kind of women are still single at that age? Alas, I should have gotten married when I was twenty-three and living with a girl. (Hmm, no I shouldn’t. But sometimes you feel like that.)
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If women are turning into men that would made a lot of sense. Women going for the looks.
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First of all — you opened great, man. Like I said above, you DID immediately attempt a role reversal. However, sometimes the manosphere/gamers are too outcome-dependent. You gave it your best shot and it didn’t work out at the start.
True, I didn’t have the well-thought out, witty retort or DHV’s that many have recommended here. But truthfully, it’s because I didn’t put much thought into the response at the time and wasn’t focused on trying to win her over: I honestly DID just want to confirm this girl was safe and normal.
Don’t worry about being clever and witty — that just leads to overgame. Instead, worry about expressing whatever you’re feeling. If you would have backed off and just been like ‘ha yeah I just want to see if you’re a safe and normal person, I’ve been burned by some weirdos,’ the interaction probably would have gone better.
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fuck, hate when I do something and fail to explain why I like it. So, the expressing how you feel part….
now, you do the safe and normal bit — which is fine, seems honest. But just saying that in a vacuum makes you seem a little weird. Add the ‘I’ve been burned part,’ and now what you have is a pre-selection statement that is way credible because it’s in the Trojan Horse of an “honest” feelz sharing.
Little things like ^ are very effective DHV’s. You are giving off the fact that you are very attractive to women, but you are nonchalant about it — you don’t even notice. It’s very indirect.
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http://playboysfw.kinja.com/why-are-men-such-jerks-to-women-online-1502438701 A guy wrote this piece. I would be very interested in a man’s opinion on this, it made my skin crawl. I realize it is off topic but wasn’t sure how else to bring it to CH readers attention/
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Write url on boobs then post pic of it.
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Feminasty harridans like Jessica Valenti getting e-bitchslapped? Pure schadenfreude.
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Guy’s a vagina. Boo hoo, someone sent you mean emails. For all the damage feminists inflict on society, they’re lucky all they get are threats.
What’s wrong with being sneering and contemptuous? This is the mindset of the left. If it’s mean, it’s bad. Does the author ask, even once, whether or not the disassembling of traditional masculinity is actually a good thing?
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Yes the guy’s a vagina, there are these women online who are just man haters, but one mustn’t appease them.
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I usually fuck w/ CH but this is bullshit, mirroring bitches is weak game. i should be able to tell who the bro is, not about pansexual POF lines
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I’m on a ‘break’ from my gf of 1.5 yrs. I initiated it. Her friends have pretty much talked her into dumping me before I dump her etc.
I haven’t contacted her since the break – it’s been 5 days.
In the meantime, I’m a bouncer at a club, and tonight got a reserved blonde 8.5’s number. I haven’t seen her there before, which won me over.
We exchanged eye contact, so I walked over on the dance floor, gave the cell to her – she was kinda shocked, put her name & number in – I gave her a peck on the cheek and walked off.
So, I’m kinda rusty on this. Thinking I’ll text her trmw night (sunday) for a meet up mid week.
Kosher?
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cool that you have the #. what you don’t have right now is rapport. sounds like it’s low probability right now if you just ask her out. you’re in a position of authority so it’s hard for her to say know to giving you the number, regardless if she’s attracted to you. you came up to her out the blue and got the number before it sounds like any real sort of attraction could set in. she”s probably going to be really skeptical of you and you’re going to need to demonstrate that you have value to her over text game. I would probably start off with hey “hey, it’s the crazy bouncer from last week”…tease her a bit about being reserved “you’re a lot more shy than I thought.” one technique you can use here is value bait and switch, where you ask her out to someplace (great, famous restaurant since everyone loves food) that’s really high value, with your friends, two week’s down the line. she’ll be more open to that idea since the meet up is weeks away, and it’s with friends (you’re not an ax-murderer) at a great restaurant, so even if you suck she’s getting good food. So she’s getting an awesome offer, you = high value. A week in you can cancel, say you’re going out of town and just meet up with her at dive bar, which really will be more fun for you two any way.
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also, texting for these situations is better on weekday day mornings. your texts aren’t competing with weekend noise.
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sent you a comment in moderation, but it explains what to do.
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[Parenthetically: The other obvious option is to seal the deal with your existing girlfriend by putting a bun in her oven.]
But as a bouncer, you’re already in the entertainment industry, so I assume [or at least I’m guessing] that
1) You can’t take her on a date at your own club, for several very obvious reasons, such as:
1a) You’re probably forbidden to date the customers?
1b) You don’t wanna shit where you eat?
2) As a “pro”, you’ll be expected to know the really cool hip insiders-only places to take her? So that, say, taking her to Burger King for lunch is out of the question?
My guess is that she’ll probably be expecting the full blown “After Hours” treatment from you:
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Lemme expound on that:
You could take her to Chez Martin, where Louis the Fag Waiter pushes in her chair for her, and serves her Chateaubriand with a nice Claret, and the sweet soft soothing background music is seeping out of the stereo speaker hidden behind the potted palm tree in the corner, but any Doctor/Lawyer/Dentist/Accountant dude could just as easily take her on that date.
You though, being an industry insider, are gonna be expected to offer up more of the Joe’s Backwoods Deep-Country Bar-n-Grill experience, out in the swamps*, with the alligators and the water moccasins and the turkey vultures circling about, and with the lipstick lesbian leather jacket Hells Angels biker chicks, who deal the Heisenburg’s Blue Ice methamphetamines out of the Lady’s Room, and where you’ll need to flex your muscles a little so that all the other Alphas in the bar understand that this fine little piece of ass belongs to you, and to you alone.
Let her know in no uncertain terms that you ain’t no Doctor or Lawyer or Dentist or Accountant – if for no other reason than that just ain’t who or what you really are.
Whatever it is – in the summertime, it could be as simple as taking a couple of bottles of wine and a blanket and heading to the park and watching an outdoor summer band concert [and maybe even fucking her right then and there, in public, in front of hundreds of other concert goers] – whatever it is, make the experience be REAL.
Not just a bunch of canned pre-programmed infinite-loop elevator music coming from the stereo speaker hidden behind the potted palm tree in the corner – she’s already been on that date a thousand times.
*If you’re up in Joisey, substitute “Da Meadowlandz”.
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lol, this is horrible advice if you actually want to have consensual sex with this woman.
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Depends on the IQ.
I don’t game the low IQ chicks.
But I’m confident that you’d be much better equipped to advise him on how to deal with those bitches.
I also don’t game the “We’re complete strangers but let’s fuck anyway and while we’re at it why don’t you go ahead and give me Human Papilloma Virus all over my dick” bitches either.
Again, I’m confident that you’d be much better equipped to advise him on how to get Human Papilloma Virus all over his dick.
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I can’t agree with the Zombie on this one.
A guy with muscles came up to her, she liked the muscles and the swagger and maybe the smell, and she gave the number.
Now he can really make her lose it if he DOES show he’s not just some axe murderer, showing some IQ higher value if that’s his thing, or music, or something. That’s more important than showing you’re an industry insider or whether she even likes your choice of meeting place. She’s already in the submissive role because of your physical dominance.
You’ve already checked off the masculinity box (I’ve not been advising guys to bulk up, thinking the effort/payoff ratio is too low, but hey you’re already there and it worked) now show you’re a real man not just a brute, and she’ll fall in love.
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Fellas, the issue here is that this there was little investment in the interaction. You want to walk up to a hot girl and get her number immediately with “put your number in my phone” game, that’s fine, but you have to do some work after to build rapport. That can take place immediately after getting the number, but it didn’t, so it needs to take place over text. It’s a low probability event that she’s just going to meet up with him without some interaction that shows he is worth spending time with. A woman in the sexual market place is looking to trade up for a (more) awesome guy, not fuck as many guys as possible. That’s why he has to show some value beyond having the balls to approach and get a number. Also, his job is not a concern as of yet, and referencing it or play off it in any way comes off as insecure, which adds awkwardness to the interaction and leads to an immediate shut down, but they girl who will be doubtless filtering him. Main thing here is to build rapport, which is entirely missing…get a little positive interaction going, say something a bit funny that demonstrates a sense of humor and intelligence…get an actual conversation going and offer a meet up that has a high-probability of “yes”.
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@take her out
just wait for what I wrote to appear after it gets moderated. it explains your situation, what you have to do. just don’t jump the gun until you’ve read it.
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Her friends cannot determine how she feels about you. She may be waiting for you to rescue her from these friends who want her to give up her wonderful guy, maybe so they can get him …
You could play it this way if/when you communicate with her, just to keep the juices flowing.
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thanks fellas. I feel you darkhorse on the vibe I’ll send across.
Family Man – it’s complicated good sir. she admitted to having a fantasy of fucking a black guy about a year or so ago. I’ve been 95% hate fucking her since. So, yea, I’m indifferent.
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Are you the black guy she fucked on a fantasy, or are you hating that she’d do it? Just trying to get the story straight, I tend to be very literal.
Anyway you’re in a good position to build rapport and comfort now because she’s already invested more than you are. That fact alone will have her hamster on fast idle..
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‘hating the she’d do it’
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Tell her your fantasy of having a threesome, after you get some other chicks lined up. If she wants an open relationship, do it your way.
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I thought the 3rd text (2nd by the man) was a good example of reserve qualification by him. He knows the game.
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What better way is there to turn your gf in a beta girl than to have success? Only a few other ways.
The other day I settled a decent sized case age earmed a big check. After that I got a new gig in a high powered office with solid potential. The gf has been acting far more subservient ever since doing the puppy dog eyes and a
ll that girly stuff asking “do u love me” and “do u miss ur gf”
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having your “success” be your rapport with your girl. that’s how. when your feelings of worth are tied to external factors like big checks, you need bigger checks to make her more beta. you become beta when those checks stop coming in. a better goal than a check might be to you can make her say that beta stuff when you’re penniless.
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yep.
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I don’t know how often you fuck. If not often, make it often now. The oxytocin thereby generated within her body will hold her with you through leaner times.
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post a pic of your gf like you did last time. the chateau can be the judge of what your money can buy
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Sorry for the blatant OT, but I was wondering what CH thinks about the LessWrong polyamory cult, already discussed at length here:
http://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/rationality/
PRICELESS Bonus: the “rationalist” hamster in action here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/
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Update: as expected, the new Disney movie “Frozen” is a YKW-fest feminist brainwashing nightmare. Laughable to those with red pill knowledge. Teaches girls to mistrust a nice guy beta (he’s evil if he offers commitment too soon) and openly mocks the idea of marriage. These little things infect a woman’sind like a slow dripping water torture. It started with gen x 38 years ago. The little girls watching frozen are being told the aloof alpha is the one to love, not the fine beta offering stability and romance.
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