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Top 5 Signs That A Woman Is Using You

January 27, 2014 by CH

If a woman you know isn’t having sex with you, it pays to be cognizant of signs that she’s using you for emotional or material support. You may not want to be used in this manner, so knowing her intention is half the battle. Even if you don’t want sex with her, you may also be uninterested in serving as an emotional sponge which she can fill with her tears.

Sexlessness is a necessary but not sufficient condition for female exploitation of male friends, but since most men want to bang their female friends, the unreciprocated desire for sex is enough for afflicted men to feel as if they’re being exploited, regardless of the purity of their female friends’ intentions. It is thus in these men’s interests, and for their mental health, to know when they’re giving above and beyond the call of a casual friend and not getting what they want in return, so that they can exit stage right while they still have a shred of dignity left to preserve.

The lure of prime vagina can cloud the most perspicacious men’s minds, so one must devote pointed mental energy to noticing any signs that a woman is using him for friendship without benefits. In my travels across these blown-out post-patriarchy lands, I’ve seen dicksploitation that would shrivel an elephant’s nads. The following list is a summary of the most common methods I’ve observed women employ to snare betas into unwitting friendzone or house eunuch arrangements.

The top five signs a woman is using you, in no particular order of certitude:

1. She’s a single mom.

That’s all. Single mommery is not just a promise of emotional manipulation, it’s a guarantee. The single mom in your life could be the kindest, most generous woman alive, but she’ll be unable to resist the succubus song of her sex’s prime directive: Extract resources from an available male to help her lil’ bastards survive. If a single mom becomes entangled in your life, it won’t be long before you’re shuttling her sprog to soccer games and sex ed classes. Many single moms instinctively know how repelled men are at the thought of raising another man’s issue, so these half-moms often pay their hapless beta volunteers in pellets of post-partum poon. Assuming attractiveness thresholds are reached, this is all well and good… until about three weeks in when, rubbing your knee after having tripped over yet another infernal toy on your way to the sexroom, mommy coyly wonders aloud if… oh never mind… what? what?… oh, it’s just that it would be a really big help if [robe opens to reveal one breast]… yes?… [uptalk alert] if you could take little Sarah to school tomorrow morning so I can get ready for a job interview?

And by then, it’s too late. She has her hooks in you. My advice: Single moms are short-term sex aids. Get in and get out before a fortnight has passed.

2. She’s a flirtatious flake.

Don’t confuse a flake for a flirtatious flake. The latter is FAR more dangerous. The flake is usually a one and done deal. She flakes, you never hear from her again. The flirtatious flake will reinitiate contact on a regular basis, filling you with renewed hope every time your phone buzzes with her latest ego-stroking scam. The dead giveaway of the flirtatious flake is the phony joy she exudes when anticipating the date you proposed — “can’t wait! c u then!!!” — which is followed by an abrupt last-minute cancellation. A few days later you’ll hear from her again, in full apologetics mode, and the cycle begins anew. If she has a real sucker in her hands, she’ll get you to meet her out with friends and buy everyone rounds of drinks… and you’ll leave later, with dry crotch and empty wallet, wondering if what you just experienced was an actual date or a group hug. Hint: It wasn’t a date.

3. She’s a date whore.

This is the girl who muscles in on the man’s prerogative to choose the date venue. She likes dating; she doesn’t much like sex with the types of men who will agree to her demands for endless dating. No matter what date you suggest, she’ll counter-offer with something that will invariably cost you more money. “Oh hey, I read about this new play downtown… I’d love it if you went with me?” Of course, there’s no logical procession from her date suggestion to her paying her way. If you agree to whatever exorbitantly priced scheme she has in mind, you’re stuck coughing up the cash. Unless you’re a total asshole (ahem) and slip out the back Jack, when Jill gets the bill.

There are two ways to smoke out a nascent golddigger: 1. Absolutely demand she meet you for drinks at your favorite cheap dive bar. If she balks or, worse, if she goes but sulks all night while trying to bounce you to a pricier venue, you’ll have evidence that she’s a user of losers. 2. Suggest an outrageously expensive date idea. If she jumps at the chance after having spent weeks evading your efforts to meet up with her, she plays tools for fools. Don’t try to stick it out with her; if you think sex is “just around the corner”, that’s a corner that never ends.

4. She likes to play “Let’s you and him fight”.

Some girls love to incite white knight theatrics. They get a rush from manipulating dupes to fight other men for their sake. These girls typically have very high tolerances for drama, so it takes a lot to rev their egos. The spectacle of a betaboy friend confronting another man for the approval of a fair maiden is too delicious to these women to pass up. If you find yourself precariously edging toward such situations every time you’re out with a girl, take it as a given she’s using you for emotional orgasms. And those are the least interesting orgasms from a man’s perspective.

Women can also play the “let’s you and him fight” game with invisible ex-boyfriends. She’ll insert an ex into the conversation as a psychological combatant to measure your response. It’s crisis and observation, and if you don’t dismiss her ploy out of hand, you always come out the losing party. Women who bitch and moan about exes on dates aren’t really needing your “support”; what they need is to see what kind of man you are.

5. She’s a self-made martyr.

The old damsel in distress scam. “Pity poor me! My ex/BFF/pimp did this horrible thing to me, and now I don’t know what to do… [bats eyelashes]… maybe you can help?” Beware the walking sob story. She’s a predator who strikes at men’s weakest access point: Their protective instinct. Many a beta chump has been swindled to do the bidding of a doe-eyed martyr expertly wielding the distant reward of sex. These women know that many betas nourish a powerful fantasy of winning the girl through acts of heroism and sacrifice, and they exploit that delusion mercilessly.

If you’re dealing with a self-made martyr, resist the urge to be a Captain Save-a-Ho. Remember the First Rule of Fuck Club: Fuck first, favors later. Sex can always be followed by favors, if you wish. But favors are rarely followed by sex. Get your priorities straight.

Bonus!

Top five signs she’s a true friend and not just using you.

1. She brings her own drugs to share.
2. She pays for the first round, and insists on alternating after that.
3. She never mentions ex-boyfriends or family problems on dates.
4. If you ask her about an ex, she’ll say you don’t want to hear about it, and mean it.
5. She genuinely surprises you with unexpected gifts, because she remembers that time you did something for her.

Double Bonus Round!

How to turn a friendzone to your sexual advantage.

Preemptively friendzone the girl if you suspect she has similar designs. Getting the LJBF jump on a girl will seriously fuck with her mental toolkit. Expectations UPTURNED! Sense her attraction isn’t quite “there” yet? Worried she might try to insert you into her group of friends as the reality of your animal desire looms? Tell her, “I like hanging out with you, because there’s no pressure. It’s good that I’m not interested in you that way.”

A preemptive friendzone is a sucker punch to a girl’s ego. What was once her romantic inertia will become her raging curiosity. “This guy just wants to be… friends?!?” Humor her attempts to drag love interests and exes into conversations. In fact, ask her for more juicy gossip, because you like hearing about all the guys who fall for her tricks. Agree & amplify. Brag about yourself, because now you’re no longer “trying” to impress her. Exaggerate your indifference to her sexuality; “I’m glad we can be this physical because it doesn’t mean anything.” Play it cool and play it with sincerity, and you can energize the sexual tension until such time that you decide you’ve “had a change of heart” about her. It’s the rare woman indeed who doesn’t fall for this convenient about face. Proceed to plunder at will.

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  1. on January 27, 2014 at 1:02 pm The Spirit Within

    6) She has a vagina.

    Women are always using men for *something*. And we’re using them right back.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 3:10 pm JCclimber

      I used to like gaming the #3. A day or two before expensive date, text her that if she dresses really hot, you might be persuaded to pay for her half.
      A) if she replies “how hot?” you let her know that you’ll be using a sliding scale. Let her hamster run with that one, don’t provide details. She now has a challenge to qualify her hotness to your standards. Done right, she may be tingling pretty hard working herself up to the date, nervously anticipating if she’s going to be hot enough to give you a boner, without being too slutty for an expensive place.
      B) She may try to get you to give feedback on outfits. Don’t lose your frame, that you’ll judge her in person, at the date.
      C) If she flakes, she was never, never, never going to tingle for you. You win, clearing her out of your calendar and your wallet wins, too.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 5:29 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      HEy HEARTITZTEZZ!!

      true storysz! so anywho da GBFM was at Davos confernece borng Davos confernece dey have me speak every year.

      and i shows up to a dinner wearingz my shortsz and ballcap t-shirtz

      and the hostess pretty hot hot holy hostesss says,

      “STOP! COCKTAIL ATTIRE ONLY!”

      so da GBFM say, “Yah I know, I got the COCK and you got da TAIL, let’s eat first, den get da loststsa cockasz out 4 ur tail.”

      so she smiled an let me in lzozozozo

      I was milling about da DAVOS boring DAVOS Confernecez and I hear a conversationz between some central bankersz who all looke dlike ben beebebrnankesz zlozzloz in dat russian bolshevik sort of goatee beard way lzozoz

      one central banker said, “How much longer can we quantitatively ease the debt into their wive’s bunghoelelslolz? The red pillersz are growing restless. Some arene’t even going for bernekakifed womenz anymore.”

      da GBFM butted in, “YAh, der is a hunger for TRUE LOVE out tehrez lzlzo. da good menz re starving for loyal, virginal pre-bottcockedz woenez with soulsz.”

      an ivy leaguee ENGLISHZ econonismst looked at me and said, “A hunger for true love you say? Let them eat butthext!”

      And they all titted
      and da GBFM went and foundez da hostesztzt
      and tittered on her tittes zlzozozoozollozo omzgz zlzozooz

      next yearsz i ghope da heartrestez can join me at davaos zlzozolzozoz as da food is good and da buttehxt is not manadndnaorty zlzlzozo at leats not yetsz!! get in while its godoz!

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:42 pm Anonymous

        Bwahahahahaha

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:58 pm Subarctic Hillbilly

        While history has taught me that Keynesian “animal spirits” — which require stimulus that only central banks can provide — is the key that circumvents the psychological impacts of economic depressions, and so I must reluctantly disagree about your Hakeyian lassez faire assumptions, I salute you sir, for a cogent and well-rounded analysis nonetheless. Zzlzozo indeed.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:35 am Ryan Vann

        You’ve seemed to have transmogrified Friedman and Keynes. Friedman is the monetarist that theorizes monetary stimulus is required to stabilize the economy, Keynesian acolytes general posit that there is a zero rate bounds, and posit that fiscal stimulus is necessary. Both are myopic views that allow rot in the economy to grow, and are suicidal on a long run perspective.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:16 am Dan

        They are all from the Peterborough Town Planning Committee…

        Have you not heard of Milton-Keynes?

        It’s the future baby and it is filling up with Somalis.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:52 pm Jay in DC

        Truth— The “Dark Enlightenment” is getting ALOT I mean a fucking a lot of press recently. And niggas are scared, rightly so… If you look at the diagram this makes this site even more relevant and in the crosshairs.

        https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byom9AuLNMyWQUY4MWpIMDBBalU/edit?usp=sharing

        It is an odd and not entirely accurate diagram. But everyone with a gun throughout history, has always wanted to shoot into the 10 ring. The Bullseye. Look at what websites are in the 10 ring. Takimag— brilliance by a rich Greek dude who doesn’t give a fuck, at all. Next to him? CH— catch my drift? I’ve already HTT Tracked this entire website— just in cse.

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  2. on January 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    HEy ehratraistetz!!! I have benen doing my psycychoogy PHD STUDIES dissertationz on theis very same topicz!!!

    Afte yrerss of reasearch and lanb reserachg and in the field research (mostly spent in da bushes zlzozozozol), dis is what da GBFM (Soon to be DR. GBFM) hath cocnococnludeezz zlzozlzozozoo:

    Top 5 Signs That A Woman Is Using You
    1. She doens’t suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    2. She doens’t suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    3. She doens’t suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    4. She doens’t suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    5. She doens’t suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz

    Top 5 Signs That A Woman Is Not Using You
    1. She suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    2. She suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    3. She suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    4. She suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz
    5. She suckethzckt your lsosta cockasz lzozozozoz

    DA GBFM, ABD soon to be PH.D> zzlozllzolzzololzloz

    [CH: That is the short and sweet of it. Or should I say, long and sweet?]

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:22 pm Grim

      literally LOL. lol 🙂

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:47 pm Heywood Jablome

      Your ballads should be easier to compose now that Bernanke’s been replaced. It’s much easier to find word that rhyme with Yellen.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 1:48 pm Heywood Jablome

        words*

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:01 pm Southern Man

        “Bernankefied” is now a permanant entry in the lexicon. What do we add? “Yellinated?” “Yellified?” They just don’t have that same ring to them.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:12 pm Heywood Jablome

        Think of what GBFM can do with “Yellenized” and “Hellenized.” The literary references are begging to be made.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:12 pm BlackPoisonSoul

        “Yellatio’d” rhymes with fellatio’d.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:22 pm Matthew

        Yellenta. Old Yellen. Yellenback. Yellacious. Yellendegeneris. Yellevated. Yellephant. Yelliminated.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:50 am Kyo

        Pity us poor residents of Japan, having our currency rapidly and catastrophically debased (down 35% against the dollar in 14 months!) by Bernanke-acolyte Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. How do you make “abe” (two syllables) a verb? What’s the passive? “Abe-ed?”

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:44 am driveallnight

        “abentover”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlozozozolz

        Once upon a time, long long ago, (in da first book of HOMERZ ILIADZ)
        Achilles quit the Greek Army,
        because his King and Commander Agamemnon,
        seized his prize, his love, his girl.
        Achilles took all the risk on the front lines
        While Agamnenon seized the reward,
        thusly robbing Achilles of Honor.

        And today many men, robbed of Honor and Natural Rightsz
        robbed of savingz by da moeneyz printingz fedz
        robbed of families and children by da benrkiified courtsz
        funded with fiat dolalrzz
        robbed of their prize and girl by arrogant money printingz buttockingz ceosz
        robbed of a virgin loyal wife by da neooencths tucker machz whymes iwth goldmanz sax who buttcocked her
        and tapied it secretely to be celebarreted by da weekly standardth
        many menz
        many goodz menz
        mnay honorbale menz
        are following Achilles’ noble lead,
        Taking da Red Pill and going their own way
        As da neooconthz tuckere max hwyems with goldman saxtxhxhxtz
        BErnenkaififed der future wife in her bunzgzhzozlzizol
        berneenakifed der Prize, da Prize of Achilelz
        In sectrely taped butethxting sessisions in college
        where women go to get deosuledz and buttehxed
        while deconstructing Great Books 4 menz knowledge.
        but no matterz how much money dey printedz
        no matter how many fmeinsst dey paid
        to spit on andd des rteate Homer, Honor, Moses, Mises an dJEussz
        da GReat ACHILLES yet livesz on
        in DA GLORY OFR STORYZ
        as his goddes smotherz prophezizded lozozo

        And so it goes that the more thing change
        The more they stay the same.
        As men seeking honor seek to be Hellenized
        so as to avoid being Yellenized zlzlzozolzooozoz

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:21 pm Trance Syndicate

        sizzurp

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:56 am CarpeOro

        First that comes to mind is “felon”.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:53 pm Heywood Jablome

        Heh.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      YAH CH!!! dat is da loooooong and sweet of itz!!! lzoozozozoz

      Once upon a time, long long ago, (in da first book of HOMERZ ILIADZ)
      Achilles quit the Greek Army,
      because his King and Commander Agamemnon,
      seized his prize, his love, his girl.
      Achilles took all the risk on the front lines
      While Agamnenon seized the reward,
      thusly robbing Achilles of Honor.

      And today many men, robbed of Honor and Natural Rightsz
      robbed of savingz by da moeneyz printingz fedz
      robbed of families and children by da benrkiified courtsz
      funded with fiat dolalrzz
      many menz
      are following Achilles’ noble lead,
      Taking the Red Pill and going their own way
      As tuckere max hwyems with goldman saxtxhxhxtz
      BErnenkaififesz everyonesz’ future wife in her bunzgzhzozlzizol
      In sectrely taped butethxting sessisions in college
      where women go to get deosuledz and buttehxed
      while deconstructing Great Books 4 menz knowledge.
      but no matterz how much money dey printedz
      no matter how many fmeinsst dey paid
      to spit on andd des rteate Homer, Honor, Moses, Mises an dJEussz
      da GReat ACHILLES yet livesz on
      in DA GLORY OFR STORYZ
      as his goddes smotherz prophezizded lozozo

      And so it goes that the more thing change
      The more they stay the same.
      As men seeking honor seek to be Hellenized
      so as to avoid being Yellenized zlzlzozolzooozoz

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm Anonymous

        Aaaaaaaaaaw yeeeeah!!! Preach itz GBFM

        lolozzozlolzlolz

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:56 pm Jay in DC

        CH— I -greatly- tire of this personality. Can’t you just ban this short nigga troll outright? I don’t mind him being Scray under a different account. But I greatly mind him being a paranoid schizophrenic spamming the fuck out of every other post. Resurrect Lily if we want this level of bullshit.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:00 am thepatriotblogspot

        ban this short nigga troll outright?

        WOW!!!! I’m a racist in the South and even I found that offensive. Have you ever taken the time to digest some of his content? What he speaks is solid truth. However, unknowing people disregard him because of his “hooked on LSD” writing style. It’s a lot easier to fly under the radar that way and the people who are red-pill aware benefit from his insight.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:32 am A Random Guy

        I find it not worth trying to read. It’s like trying to have a conversation with someone with a linguistic disorder *and* Tourette’s. YMMV, but I just hit page down when I see his posts…

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:32 am Clydesdale

        The GBFM is, admittedly, an acquired taste — but well worth the effort.

        One of my bitterest regrets is downvoting GBFM in the early days at The Spearhead, shortly after his debut and before realizing what he was all about. I think he was referred to as “that lzlozlozl guy” back then.

        (Sorry GBFM.)

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:09 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozozo

        zlozozozolz

        Once upon a time, long long ago, (in da first book of HOMERZ ILIADZ)
        Achilles quit the Greek Army,
        because his King and Commander Agamemnon,
        seized his prize, his love, his girl.
        Achilles took all the risk on the front lines
        While Agamnenon seized the reward,
        thusly robbing Achilles of Honor.

        And today many men, robbed of Honor and Natural Rightsz
        robbed of savingz by da moeneyz printingz fedz
        robbed of families and children by da benrkiified courtsz
        funded with fiat dolalrzz
        robbed of their prize and girl by arrogant money printingz buttockingz ceosz
        robbed of a virgin loyal wife by da neooencths tucker machz whymes iwth goldmanz sax who buttcocked her
        and tapied it secretely to be celebarreted by da weekly standardth
        many menz
        many goodz menz
        mnay honorbale menz
        are following Achilles’ noble lead,
        Taking da Red Pill and going their own way
        As da neooconthz tuckere max hwyems with goldman saxtxhxhxtz
        BErnenkaififed der future wife in her bunzgzhzozlzizol
        berneenakifed der Prize, da Prize of Achilelz
        In sectrely taped butethxting sessisions in college
        where women go to get deosuledz and buttehxed
        while deconstructing Great Books 4 menz knowledge.
        but no matterz how much money dey printedz
        no matter how many fmeinsst dey paid
        to spit on andd des rteate Homer, Honor, Moses, Mises an dJEussz
        da GReat ACHILLES yet livesz on
        in DA GLORY OFR STORYZ
        as his goddes smotherz prophezizded lozozo

        And so it goes that the more thing change
        The more they stay the same.
        As men seeking honor seek to be Hellenized
        so as to avoid being Yellenized zlzlzozolzooozoz

        zlozozozozozo

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:21 pm thwack

        what color is he?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:59 pm V

        GBFM stays. that is all.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 1:07 pm michaelaurelius

        Lolzzlo, he did it! He did it! Ongoing Hellenization. If you don’t like da GBFM then don’t read him. Just like squatting and deadlifting are “hard” (awww ;-(((), so is reading what this man has to say. And just like squatting and deadlifting, it’s the only way to grow.

        Read the Classics, learn Austrian economics. Live the NAP.

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  3. on January 27, 2014 at 1:12 pm Amy

    Tell her, “I like hanging out with you, because there’s no pressure. It’s good that I’m not interested in you that way.”
    _____

    Oh, that’s so evil!

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm Southern Man

      It’s deadly. Single Mom at church; very cute, very vicacious, lots of fun; we are good friends but I told her a while back “it would never work out between us” (because Single Mom) and instead I encourage her relationship with her on-again off-again boyfriend, a recently divorced good solid pedastalizing hard working beta provider who thinks nothing about raising another man’s kids. Cruel of me, I know. And the side effect is predictable: lots of flirting, lots of interest, she always texts me that she’s “single again” after one of their many breakups…and then she just doesn’t understand why I work so hard to get them back together again. For a recovering beta like me it’s been an interesting field study.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm Amy

        Well, this situation is a little different; you have an actual reason not to date her, and you told her that. If you had NO reason, she’d really be going nuts.

        Attractive women can’t handle the idea that a guy doesn’t find them sexually attractive. It just doesn’t compute. So that’s a powerful weapon if used correctly.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:46 pm Reservoir Tip

        Before I began reading at CH, I didn’t necessarily have “game” but part of me always knew this tenant. I didn’t have much luck with average girls but I’d hook a serious 8 or 9 from time to time specifically because I treated them like average girls.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:45 pm Heywood Jablome

        Tenet. A tenant is a person who pays rent to a landlord.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:51 pm Reservoir Tip

        Haha. Thanks.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:55 pm Heywood Jablome

        De nada.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:24 pm Matthew

        This is how real men correct, and how they accept correction. May the seed of your loins be fruitful in the belly of your woman.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:50 pm Heywood Jablome

        Once I choose one, that is.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:27 am FamilyMan

        I have always found beautiful women pretty easy to talk to, with the exception of a model I was sitting next to on an airplane who was dumb as a horse. Seriously I never considered that it was because I am such a cold fish (less intimidated than most) that they were trying to get a rise out of me.

        I thought it was because they had less issues and the uglier girls had issues that made them hard to talk to.

        Or maybe both things going on. Any ideas for an experimental design to separate the two hypotheses?

        H1: beautiful girls are just as bitter and nasty as ugly ones, but they are confused by my lack of reaction to them and are “friendly” because they are flirting with me to some extent.

        H2: beautiful girls are easier to talk to because they are less fucked up in the head than ugly girls.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:56 am Joe Blow

        They’re easy to talk to because your libido thinks they are worth talking to. Period. You know how a fat old dog can jump a high fence to get to a lady friend in heat? Yeah, that. You jump the fence because every part of you thinks, “Hey, I oughtta jump this fence and get with her over there.” Makes it easier in some ways.

        I think they also tend to handle a lot of social situations so they are used to it and respond in accordance with social norms, rather than snapping at any male who approaches them out of sheer unfamiliarity with basic principles for carrying on a polite conversation.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm Trance Syndicate

        http://www.complex.com/tech/2013/04/20-ridiculous-missed-connections-on-craigslist/2

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 11:27 pm GasButtox

        Amy,

        My buttox are full of gas, and have ballooned in size.

        If you position your face just so, you will receive from the blast :

        a) hair straightening
        b) skin exfoliation, making a fresh new layer come to the fore
        c) aromatic theramy
        d) nasal and sinus decongestion

        So you need to get your face in the right place.

        Hurry up! The audience is arriving !!

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:15 pm Zombie Shane

        > “A preemptive friendzone is a sucker punch to a girl’s ego.”

        The other great thing is that it works the topic of SEX into the relationship very early on.

        One of the biggest mistakes that most Beta losers make is to get into these relationships and talk and talk and talk to the girls for months on end without broaching the topic of SEX.

        You wanna get laid?

        Find a seemingly innocent and innocuous way to work SEX into your conversations with her.

        Very early on.

        And “pre-emptive friend zone” is a great way to do it.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:18 am NiceGuyGoneCad (@NiceGuyGoneCad)

        Be careful, if you don’t give her the dick he might accuse you of being gay, and have your ass kicked out of the church.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:44 am North Vinlander

        He? Is your avatar anti-marriage or anti-straight?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:56 pm NiceGuyGoneCad (@NiceGuyGoneCad)

        Ooooooops! that was a misspelling…

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm Trance Syndicate

      How bout “You dropped your Bible and I saw your thong…”

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  4. on January 27, 2014 at 1:19 pm earl

    ” Remember the First Rule of Fuck Club”

    You do not talk about Fuck Club.

    Second rule is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUCK CLUB.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:26 pm Greg Eliot

      No shirt, no shoes.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:27 pm burke

      i’ve used (attempted) that exact explanation of what i’d accept, within the last week– it was ignored and reframed as “what, i’m not good enough for anymore than that?” still closed but wasn’t able to evade post-coital attempted ‘talks’ about f club. first rule straight out the window

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:08 pm pulsotic

        Seems like you broke the rule first. Now you know what happens.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:26 pm Matthew

        It’s a bootstrapping problem. How do you proselytize?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:42 pm pulsotic

        Proselytize? Why would you want to do that? Seems like if he kept his mouth shut he’d be fine. Wasn’t clear on what he said, tho. That would be enlightening.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:10 pm earl

        It is one day I hope that men get across that fighting and sex are the same thing.

        You aren’t a virgin if you’ve had sex with a girl or got into a fight with someone.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:59 pm anon

        I lost my virginity at seven.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 10:07 pm Jay in DC

        Banhammer. You are fucking lucky in spite of what Return of Kings thinks, I don’t moderate this place. Your ass would have to walk through a desert of barefoot glass shards to get an account here again.

        As I said before, and I mean this honestly– SEEK FUCKING HELP.

        You are mental…

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 5:54 am earl

        You don’t like my thoughts…banhammer.

        I’m starting to see very little difference between the feminists that say the siimilar death/abuse threats or judging my anatomy and the hedonists around here. Both hate getting into a fight.

        Learn the value of a fight…you learn more about yourself and your emotions don’t matter. Seek help, man.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:38 am The Burninator

        Great post Earl. Good ideas do not need the support of a censor, bad ideas need the refutation of truth instead of censoring.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm anon

        Guess I should have let him take my lunch money.

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  5. on January 27, 2014 at 1:19 pm Tilikum

    heh. im guilty as hell of being the male version of Flirtatious Flake.

    its fun

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  6. on January 27, 2014 at 1:24 pm burke

    downside to the friendzone conversion tactics there, or a caveat– if you go too deep on the honest talks, you may just sour the whole thing hearing about her exploits on the carousel. not that that’s as bad as the friendzone itself, and not that bailing if you want to is bad either, but it’s not really ideal or fun to listen to while you’re playing it cool

    [CH: Agreed. The preemptive friendzone conversion should only be used in special circumstances.]

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:35 pm irishsavant

      Unless you get turned on by her carousel exploits. As the comments to an earlier CH post on this topic showed, lots of guys do.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:27 pm Matthew

        Race race race. Also, race.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:56 pm Heywood Jablome

      Hearing about a girl’s carousel exploits straight from the horse’s mouth can work wonders. Your natural urge to pedestalize will instead be cauterized.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm BlackPoisonSoul

        Yep, it’s a good way to nuke the inner Beta from orbit.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:15 pm Heywood Jablome

        It’s the only way to be sure.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm Ted

        fcking love it when u quote aliens

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:19 pm Greg Eliot

        The original was a better movie… I admired its purity.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 10:59 pm anonYmous

      No doubt of that. Use any means necessary to find out a chicks carousel exploits. The carousel can leave the woman but the woman will never leave the carousel. These women are only good for PnD. Nothing turns me off faster then hearing about carousel exploits.

      Unless there is a way to impart chaste and morals and loyalty unto the next generation of women this society is screwed.

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  7. on January 27, 2014 at 1:25 pm earl

    Isn’t a woman that is taking your penis into her vag or any other openings…using you for her own means as well?

    [CH: Reciprocation nullifies illicit usage.]

    Sure you get some temporary residual pleasure out of the deal, but I fail to see why that should be held any higher standard than being her emotional tampon.

    [Ask yourself, are more men complaining about being used for sex, or being friendzoned?]

    Personally if the gal cooks me a dinner, takes me out to events, or coughs up the dough to make me happy sometimes…then you know you have one that isn’t entirely using you.

    [If she does all that while sucking the chrome off your trailer hitch, even better.]

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:32 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Sure you get some temporary residual pleasure out of the deal, but I fail to see why that should be held any higher standard than being her emotional tampon.

      First half explains second half.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:35 pm Scray

      coughs up the dough to make me happy then you know you have one that isn’t entirely using you.

      Seconded.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:15 pm earl

      “Ask yourself, are more men complaining about being used for sex, or being friendzoned?”

      Friendzoned.

      Ok I get that residual pleasure > getting nothing or being taken advantage of.

      Now ask yourself if that is all you get from a woman what kind of life is that? Is hedonism really the way to go?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:18 pm Scray

        Is hedonism really the way to go?

        Um…..
        …

        ….
        …
        …

        ya 🙂

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 pm earl

        Why?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm Scray

        Because what else is there but the power you wield and its fruits? All the rest is just icing.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:43 pm earl

        You can wield your power and bear fruit from helping others as well. Plus you get more icing out of it.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:59 pm Scray

        Nah. Your personal standards and integrity are great but your own personal power is what gives those things meaning. Help people? Cool. Don’t help people? Whatevs.

        Within the limited context of picking up chicks, it’s all about being strong. In body is good. In mind is also good. You and me can probably agree that becoming strong in mind, as a man, is about gathering experience. The more shit you go through, the more attractive you become. You have less and less to fear. it rolls off of you.

        The other shit about helping people and whatever is just a personal choice. Has almost nothing to do with women.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm earl

        So you are not afraid of death?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm Scray

        I’m afraid of dying. I’m not afraid of hell or any of that shit.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:56 pm Heywood Jablome

        Eat, drink, and be merry …

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:06 pm Tilikum

        ……for tomorrow u may be in Utah!

        🙂

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:52 am FamilyMan

        Earl, here’s a commandment for you.

        Don’t help girls.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:01 am Zombie Shane

        > “You can wield your power and bear fruit from helping others as well.”

        You can wield your power and bear fruit from PUTTING A GOD-DAMNED BUN IN HER OVEN!!!

        And – modulo the presence of a turkey baster in the relationship – THAT AIN’T HAPPENING WITHOUT THE GOD-DAMNED COITUS!!!

        Sheesh.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:00 pm earl

        “Don’t help girls.”

        I know.

        I’m trying to be a fisher of men.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm Matthew

        Ask not for pearls from muh dikk.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:36 pm Scray

        you kno it’s true.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:05 pm Matthew

        Mostly true is like mostly dead.

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  8. on January 27, 2014 at 1:28 pm Scray

    Top signs she’s using you:

    You let yourself be used.

    So many guys are such idiots. Just fucking say no.
    Dating a single mom who wants you to take little whoever to whatever?
    “No thanks. I have things to do.”
    Trying to get a flake to meetup?
    “You’re a waste of fucking time. Later.”
    Screen out date whores?
    Date 2 always = “Come over to my place, we’ll watch a movie.”
    Trying to get me to fight with some dude?
    “You can have her. There are a lot of others…”
    bitch tries to drop an ex or comparison to an ex?
    “I can see why.” No further statement forthcoming….nuclear hamster bomb.
    Bitch is the victim?
    Give her the stone-face. There is no sympathy for her bullshit. You believe that the universe gave her what she deserved. You will not coddle her.

    You can have relationships with any type of woman if you just screen the (admittedly high percentage of) ones who are full of shit out. Just say no.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:44 pm Amy

      Dating a single mom who wants you to take little whoever to whatever?
      “No thanks. I have things to do.”
      —-

      Or you can do it as a favor if you want, provided she does favors (other than sex) for you. Cooks for you, for example.

      I think a quality girl will treat sex as somewhat of a wash. Both of you want that, for yourselves or for each other. It’s not a special gift to be granted in exchange for the guy scrambling around for her.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:09 pm Scray

        Yeah. But the second anyone feels used, just have the balls to say ‘no.’

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm Scray

        Further, I would NEVER marry a single mother. I don’t give a fuck if I have 5 kids with her and we’re together for 10 years. I would NEVER marry a single mother. Fuck. That. Shit.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:36 pm Tilikum

        you should have just stopped at “never marry” lol

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:33 pm RP

        Seconded

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:49 am CarpeOro

        Agreed. Single is not the same as widow. A widow isn’t single by choice and can still be a good wife. Have an aunt who had two children, married my uncle and had three more. Married until he died.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:45 am darkhorse

        Lol wouldn’t marry a single mom, but they make great FBs. They have to be really discreet with their sluttiness…they’re Mom’s now, so sex is shameful, but they’re still women, they still want to get smashed. They’re often open to fuck-and-go meet ups. A lot of times these women are really thankful when they get fucked well.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 1:44 pm Scray

        To be fair, after a few seconds of thought…my general stance is just avoid marriage altogether. That’s probably why I’m not as harsh on SM’s….because lol, I don’t plan on getting married I don’t think. Find a few chicks, maybe pop out some kinds with one or two, and then just live out life.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:13 pm AKA

        Yeah, but too many men act like the single mom has done the man a favor by fucking him. Single moms have internalized that mindset.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 11:18 pm anonYmous

        As long as women have guys trying to fuck her or fucking her then in their mind they think they have value. You will not be able to convince her differently. So ur average 5 single mom who hasnt ever needed to lose her baby weight thinks there is nothing wrong with her. There will always be betas and tri-sexuals that will gladly sleep with such a woman.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:24 pm Greg Eliot

        Plus they have Hollywood pumping out the movies where main characters state:

        “Single motherhood… now that’s sacred.”

        I almost choked upon hearing that for the first time, in an otherwise fair movie.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 1:42 pm Scray

        You probably missed the point. Sacred in the sense that it should be respected. There’s a kid involved, and you should take care not to…y’know, completely fuck over that life too in pursuit of your jollies. Not sacred in the sense that it should be celebrated.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:37 am Mob Barley

        they know when the guy doesn’t give a crap… those are the ones they come back to

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:42 am The Burninator

      @Scray

      It’s not that most guys are idiots, rather, they’re inexperienced, have no knowledge of truth outside of the feminine imperative, and have no guide or shining light to aspire to outside of the constantly harped on by society meme of “Women are all, obey the woman, sacrifice for the woman, man up and serve the woman”.

      I don’t blame men for that as such, but I do recognize that they are wholly ignorant and in need of enlightenment. Holding them in contempt is counterproductive to our movement.

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  9. on January 27, 2014 at 1:33 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    “using you for friendship”

    This may be the single saddest phrase I’ve ever read on the Internet.

    Sorry to go all Rebecca of Fuckybrook Farm on you here, CH, but holy shit. You don’t “use” somebody for friendship. You are friends with them. You give, they give back, it’s reciprocal and mutually enjoyable. It has its own value.

    [CH: You’re projecting your female sensibilities onto men. Most men want to fuck their female friends. This is a fact that makes you uncomfortable, so you imagine that sexlessness is equally enjoyable for the man.]

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:38 pm Scray

      Women almost never give back to their male friends who they aren’t attracted to, tho. My eternal exhibit A is the typical chick on FB — she posts a pic, a thousand beta orbiters “like” the pic. How many of their pics does she like?

      Typical hot chick on FB posts a comment about whatever drama is in her life — thousand beta orbiters = you go grrl! Beta orbiter posts about how lonely he is….where is she?

      Beyond that I really don’t see the point of a female friend you aren’t interested in one day having sex with.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 1:55 pm Amy

        No, I am a good friend to my male friends. It can happen. I have value to them as a friend and vice versa. I don’t flirt with them and they don’t game me.

        I think they don’t mind having me as a friend because I am fairly low drama and actually do friend-like things for them. And I respect the fact that they don’t want to sit around for hours talking about people’s personal problems; I use my gfs for that.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:16 pm BlackPoisonSoul

        Warning: attempt to NAWALT.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:33 pm A Random Guy

        (eyeroll) And now waiting for the inevitable accusation of white-knighting…

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:10 pm JironGhrad

        There are (albeit very, very, very, rare) exceptions. It’s possible (though again, extremely unlikely) that this Amy poster is one.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:14 pm A Random Guy

        The problem is: the accusation is one that is impossible to disprove. I also think there is a lot more variability in people than some in this forum believe to be the case.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:35 pm Kate

        “I also think there is a lot more variability in people than some in this forum believe to be the case.”

        Word.

        [CH: The opposite is a more accurate description of the present state of cultural discourse: There is a lot less variability in people’s essential desires than most believe to be the case.]

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm Kate

        There is both less and more at the same time, if you know what I mean.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:52 pm Random Guy

        Yes, the two statements are not contradictory.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:24 pm PermanentGuest

        I was thinking the same thing. I don’t agree with the fact that “most guys” want to bang their single friends, but I remember that most material on this site is written mostly for the reforming “beta” and not for the man on top of his league.

        Personally, I’d prefer not to bang my female friends, or intertwine any physical partners as friends. The outcome is unnecessarily messy, so it’s best to sort wisely.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:30 pm Matthew

        Plant.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:42 pm PermanentGuest

        Strike a nerve there?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:05 pm Matthew

        No, I’m saying you’re paid to distract with near truths.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:43 am Mob Barley

        lol

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:33 am Zombie Shane

        1) Is “Amy” really a woman, and not just some damned Axelrodian Jew pretending to be a woman?

        2) If “Amy” really is a woman, then is there a real life flesh and blood MAN who is boning her right now?

        Cause if not, then the bitch needs a nice hard clown rape FTW.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:35 am Amy

        1. I’m female. And Catholic.
        2. Yes, but not right this second.

        Lol at clown rape. Because clowns are scary?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 4:41 pm V

        I have quite a few female friends that im just friends with. Meeting one later today to play pool. I enjoy it for what it is. The big difference is that i really truly dont want to be more than friends with them.

        Met a girl recently and last week she agreed to meet me for coffee… as long as it was just as friends. NO. FUCKING. WAY.

        The first group are females in my social circles who became my friends over time. Nobody is using anyone. The second was trying to “use me for friendship.”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 1:55 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “Beyond that I really don’t see the point of a female friend you aren’t interested in one day having sex with.”

        I dunno, Scray. Maybe you’d like to go shoot some clays with me. Maybe you want to come over and smoke a bowl* and watch Game of Thrones on my bitchin’ flatscreen. Maybe you need a ride to the airport at FML-o’clock in the morning. Maybe your roommates are psychos, and you need to crash on my couch for a few days. Maybe you need me to feed your goldfish while you’re out of town at a funeral. Maybe you need a date for your friend’s wedding and you just broke up with your girlfriend.

        These are all things that I’ve done with and for my male friends in the last year, just as they’ve done nice things with and for me. Do they want to have sex with me? I don’t know. I figure if they do or did, it’s on them to tell me.

        *of LEGAL TOBACCO BASED SMOKING PRODUCTS OF COURSE

        [CH: Male-female friendships can work long-term if there is absolutely NO male-to-female sexual attraction present. The presence of male sexual desire is a poison that will make toxic any intersex friendship.]

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:03 pm Scray

        Yeah, all that shit sounds fun, but I mean….just makes more sense to find a girl I can do all that stuff with AND fuck sometimes. Plus, how do you smoke a bowl of LEGAL TOBACCO BASED SMOKING PRODUCTS OF COURSE with a chick you find attractive and not make a friendship-destroying move on her? Lol. I sure as fuck wouldn’t be able to.

        But ya, if there were zero sexual attraction maybe it could work I guess. Idk.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:18 pm anonymous

        “But ya, if there were zero sexual attraction maybe it could work I guess. Idk.”

        Problem is, I can’t even think of a reason why I would like to hang out with a girl I’m not attracted to.

        Further, I can’t imagine why I would want to be friends without benefits with a girl I am attracted to, unless she was somehow feeding me easy lays and the continuation of this arrangement depended on the continuation of our platonic relationship.

        All in all, it seems like one big non-starter to me.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:24 pm Scray

        Yeah, seriously.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:52 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “I can’t even think of a reason why I would like to hang out with a girl I’m not attracted to.”

        …aaaand I have identified the second-saddest phrase I’ve ever read on the Internet.

        Do you think this attitude is a widespread one among men?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:30 pm Scray

        “Do you think this attitude is a widespread one among men?”

        Ya.

        For me it’s just a waste of time. Why sink a bunch of emotional resources into a girl I’m not going to have sex with?

        Now, I can see some utility in having a hot girl you’re just friends with who provides you with social proof whenever you go out. Even then tho….better to just bring a girl you’ve already fucked — that’s way better social proof.

        Don’t get me wrong tho. I think a lot of the shit guys do hanging out together is a waste of my time as well. If there’s a tight crew meeting up at a bar or club or whatever where there’s targets, sign me up. If they’re meeting up at Joe’s house to play Xbox…lol fat chance, nerds.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:51 pm Amy

        “Now, I can see some utility in having a hot girl you’re just friends with who provides you with social proof whenever you go out.”

        Yes, that! Or she can introduce you to her friends. Or she can answer questions like “Wtf is up with this girl?” or “What’s the minimum I have to do for this chick on V-day?”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:52 pm anonymous

        “Do you think this attitude is a widespread one among men?”

        Yes.

        And I don’t see how this position is particularly edgy or controversial (certainly not by the standards of those who hang around this blog).

        Men hang around women they want to fuck. It has always been so and it always will be so.

        Aren’t you supposed to be this site’s token smart chick?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:13 pm Amy

        It’s not edgy or controversial, it’s just depressing. It’s like me telling you I have no reason to hang around men unless they’re buying me something.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:50 pm Mofo

        As men, we are forced our entire lives to make ourselves interesting in order to achieve what we want. Women generally only need show up, especially attractive ones. Thus, my best platonic female friend is less interesting than my 25th-best male friend. If I’m going to hang with someone I am not attracted to, the chances are extremely high that it’s going to be a dude.

        Also, even the coolest chick in the world has not internalized the reciprocal loyalty that comes naturally to men who have a high mutual regard for one another.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:01 pm Scray

        Yes, that!

        Ya but it’s still way less than a hot girl you’ve fucked. Or even a normal girl you’ve already fucked lol.

        It’s like me telling you I have no reason to hang around men unless they’re buying me something.

        I mean, here….in my groups there’s always girls because you can’t have a group of more than 3 dudes without a girl without it coming off like a DLV. But if they’re not interested, I really don’t interact with them that much. Very superficial…hey how’s it going, hey let’s shoot some pool. Nothing too cray. Nothing I’d call like…a true friend.

        So I think acquaintance-level friendship is more than possible.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:02 pm Scray

        Women generally only need show up, especially attractive ones

        Beauty is very interesting to me.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:38 pm Anonymous

        Yes Amy and that is exactly how girls are. Holy fuck youre AWALT today.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm Amy

        Well sorry if I’m NAWALT, but for the .0000001% of us who actually LIKE members of the opposite sex, you know, as people… it’s depressing to think it can’t be reciprocal.

        [CH: Amy, nobody (worth reading) is making a moral judgment about male-female friendships, or claiming that they’re impossible in the state of nature. But the fact is that M-F friendships — real friendships — are difficult in ways that same sex friendships aren’t. And it behooves men to know when their female friends are taking them for a ride. Note that the female friend’s intentionality, or lack thereof, doesn’t matter in the calculation of a man’s best interest. And what is his best interest? It is the same for women: To maximize pleasure and minimize pain.]

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 1:35 am FamilyMan

        Scray — “you can’t have a group of more than 3 dudes without a girl without it coming off like a DLV” ??

        Why? Why would you want a female to get so much attention? I’ve seen groups with a lot of guys and one or two girls (in NYC on the subway, for example) and those girls are attention whores. The guys are always checking how the girl thinks about what they’re about to do, etc. Even if you are not inclined to give them much attention, the other guys typically will, and you will all act somewhat protective of them, etc.

        I wouldn’t want the girls in my group. You have high value because you’re guys. Or you’re in some situation that I totally don’t understand. Or else a group that is roughly evenly split male/female (this hardly ever happens for some reason, unless it’s couples going out together) or you can be the attention whore with a bunch of girls.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:44 am Scray

        “Why? Why would you want a female to get so much attention?”

        Who gives a shit about the girl, it’s about value. If you’re in a social setting (bar, club, etc.) having social proof helps you open strangers, get AI’s, get interest, etc. At this point, I’m tempted to almost say that a bunch of chodes going out together — like 4-5 — provides as little social proof as going out alone.

        When you have a group of guys and girls, think about the message that sends — oh hey, these guys know how to act and get girls to enjoy their company = automatic value.

        When you just have dudes who are having fun together it’s like….ok these are the guys who can only relate to other guys and have no clue about women.

        When you’re alone….you could either be a complete incel or a sneaky rake.

        Now take each of those impressions and imagine her reaction when you start talking to her. She’s going to be more at ease if you’re from a mixed group. Bonus points if the girls in that group are hot. More bonus points if you’ve fucked a few of those girls.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:26 pm Anonymous

        “There is an Eastern fable, told long ago, of a traveller overtaken on a plain by an enraged beast. Escaping from the beast he gets into a dry well, but sees at the bottom of the well a dragon that has opened its jaws to swallow him. And the unfortunate man, not”

        “daring to climb out lest he should be destroyed by the enraged beast, and not daring to leap to the bottom of the well lest he should be eaten by the dragon, seizes s twig growing in a crack in the well and clings to it. His hands are growing weaker and he feels he will soon have to resign himself to the destruction that awaits him above or below, but still he clings on. Then he sees that two mice, a black one and a white one, go regularly round and round the stem of the twig to which he is clinging and gnaw at it. And soon the twig itself will snap and he will fall into the dragon’s jaws. The traveller sees this and knows that he will inevitably perish; but while sti”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “The presence of male sexual desire is a poison that will make toxic any intersex friendship.”

        Why?

        [CH: Have you ever tried to smile gamely and politely in the company of a woman you hate? How long do you think you could do that for?]

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:28 pm Wrecked 'Em

        That example was genius.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:45 pm Amy

        But is all male sexual desire created equal? I always thought there was quite a big difference between “yeah, she’s hot and I’d bang her if I had nothing else to do” and “I really want to bang her and I like her and it hurts that she doesn’t like me that way.”

        For example, my guy friends do fine with girls. They don’t need to have sex with me. Maybe they would do it if I threw myself at them and there was nothing else going on, but that “desire” is a LOT different than a guy who’s sitting around pining over me.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:25 pm Scray

        my guy friends do fine with girls. They don’t need to have sex with me.

        If they don’t need to have sex with you, the thought process is still probably “Meh, one more couldn’t hurt.”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm Matthew

        “I really want to bang her and I like her and it hurts that she doesn’t like me that way.”

        This is a good gloss for being beta. “Men” that actually act this way are the ones that turn you off.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:09 pm Trance Syndicate

        They don’t need to have sex with you because they don’t want to have sex with you ever. You would know.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:47 am bob

        “For example, my guy friends do fine with girls. They don’t need to have sex with me. Maybe they would do it if I threw myself at them and there was nothing else going on, but that “desire” is a LOT different than a guy who’s sitting around pining over me.”

        This SHOULD be the normal situation for any man, but it’s not. You and RD are both right: a well-adjusted man can have female friends and enjoy their company (no shit). But the caveat here is that well-adjusted man are unfortunately few and far between. Far the sack of readers here, it is assumed that the readership isn’t well-adjusted, thus the position on this specific topic.

        As a side note, it is partly these girls here who, if need be, will allow this blog (and the manosphere) to have a “mainstream credibility”. Without this diversity of active commenters, we will be ridiculed and described as a circle jerk of monomaniac misogynists. These girls might be slow, I feel you, but banning them would be a terrible decision.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:47 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Are you saying that being around a woman to whom you are attracted, but who isn’t having sex with you, is as painful as being forced to be pleasant to someone you hate?

        [CH: Depends on the length of exposure and the intensity of desire. The more the man wants to fuck the girl, and the longer he’s denied, the more painful it will be for him to keep up appearances of friendly propriety. Similar to the difficulty you would have maintaining a polite facade for a very long time with a woman you hate. Your false equivalence notwithstanding to the contrary, the fact remains that suppressed desire, whether of the lustful or hateful variety, is a burden most people would rather not shoulder.

        rest of your message snipped for content free abuse of posting guidelines.]

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:41 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        What posting guidelines?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:41 pm Matthew

        “Are you saying that being around a woman to whom you are attracted, but who isn’t having sex with you, is as painful as being forced to be pleasant to someone you hate?”

        It’s a harsh and unforgiving dichotomy. On the one hand, an undesirable woman is like a gaping wound: we want to look away. Women are here to be our mates. An unmatable woman is a breach of society. She just ought to find or found a nunnery, or something.

        Desirable women are potential mates. If you’re not mating with me, there’d better be a damned good reason. I can’t put my penis in your college degree.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Enough explanation. You don’t get it …. Give me my rib back.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:21 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        The last half of that comment that CH thought you shouldn’t read, reads as follows. (You all can judge for yourselves whether it was as content-free as CH claims it was.)

        “So why would you inflict this on yourself, if it is so painful? Why not just tell her of your desire? Either she tells you yes, or no. Either way, your misery is at an end.”

        Apparently, these four sentences were fit for bowdlerization. Apparently, you all are far too delicate to handle reading those four sentences.

        [CH: That wasn’t the sentence. Allow me to remind you who’s boss here. If you persist in this latest bitchfest of yours, you will be summarily banned for life. Tread lightly.]

        Here’s the good news! A troll impersonating your avatar and sign-on is not worth censoring. Oh, it’s OK: I’m not the only one the troll has seen fit to impersonate…his main targets actually seem to be those men among you who have or ever had a girlfriend. Apparently, that’s even more disgraceful than getting raped by your ex-boyfriend.

        [Trolls get banned as they’re uncovered. Don’t expect this process to happen promptly.]

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:37 pm Matthew

        Charlie, “give me my rib back” is going to be my default response to female stupidity now.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 10:18 pm Jay in DC

        RD– You kinda got busted up at the bottom of this thread. But, I’m still available to safely hate fuck you and mildly choke you… here to help, sorry you got caught up in drama, happens to the best of us.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:55 am The Burninator

        “I dunno, Scray. Maybe you’d like to go shoot some clays with me. Maybe you want to come over and smoke a bowl* and watch Game of Thrones on my bitchin’ flatscreen. Maybe you need a ride to the airport at FML-o’clock in the morning. Maybe your roommates are psychos, and you need to crash on my couch for a few days. Maybe you need me to feed your goldfish while you’re out of town at a funeral. Maybe you need a date for your friend’s wedding and you just broke up with your girlfriend. ”

        In a way, perhaps, but there would have to be absolutely no attraction to the woman for the male in those situations. Even a little bit of sexual attraction, and no matter how well suppressed or hidden, the fact is that the guy has watched you bend over to pick something up and thought “I’d wanna hit that”

        “But but but what if she’s pretty but he doesn’t care?!?” Well fact is, if that were the case, it’s likely because she burps in public, farts during 80% of her waking hours, doesn’t brush her teeth and has a mouth like a sailor, otherwise…eh…he still wants to fuck her.

        I could easily get along with a girl like you in real life due to what appear to be a lot of similar political interests and the cool factor, but if you’re a 6 or above I guarantee you that a friendship without my wanting to fuck you would be out of the question. And frankly he same applies to any other straight, virile man.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:49 am Amy

        “I could easily get along with a girl like you in real life due to what appear to be a lot of similar political interests and the cool factor, but if you’re a 6 or above I guarantee you that a friendship without my wanting to fuck you would be out of the question. ”

        But wouldn’t that be much less of a distraction/problem if you were having satisfying sex on a regular basis with one or more other women?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:03 pm Scray

        The actual urge would lessen in intensity, but the chance of a man acting on whatever urge he had would increase — after all, if you’re having sex with multiple attractive women, you feel like you’re living life in GodMode.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:04 pm The Burninator

        If I’m satisfied with what I have at home/on the side then I see no need to go around fishing for other women or being friends with them. If I’m just that kind of cad that would look around for hot women who are “cool”, then why would my having sex with another woman(-en) already even play into the equation if I found the current girl attractive?

        Besides, most modern sexy chicks aren’t cool (nor funny, nor intellectual, nor interesting), though they all think they are and will tell you repeatedly and loudly. That’s the high and low of it. The few women that are any of those things are usually cool out of being a loner (which does not come naturally to attractive women) or from being below a 6 and having to learn to navigate life’s waters by developing a non-abrasive personality.

        Put another way, if I find myself an equivalent to a 25 year old Barbara Eden or Jenifer Aniston, and she’s not a feminist (as in actually isn’t a feminist, not just says “Oh, I’m not a feminist”), she’s into libertarian politics, loves to shoot, throws out a life preserver to good friends (but only to good friends) and in all ways seems cool, then there is no real choice in the matter for me, I will want to fuck her and fuck her repeatedly, probably with the goal of, as they say here, putting a bun in the oven.

        You and other women seem a bit put off by this article and the thread. It’s a hard reality, any honest guy will admit it to you, and dishonest men will admit it to their buds when you’re not around. If you’re attractive, fit and feminine then all of your straight male friends, even the “taken” ones, want to fuck you. It’s wired into us as surely as the moon orbits the earth.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:44 pm Amy

        No, I do appreciate the honesty. Thanks. It’s hard to understand because we can have a friendship with an attractive guy without that level of sexual distraction.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:28 am Ryan Vann

        There are no friends on Facebook.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:39 pm Grim

      Women are 0 for 2 on this thread so far. Come on RD. In a sexless friendzone friendship, the man *always* gives way more. ALWAYS. Worse case is woman takes 99% (lower beta’s 1% is getting to be in the same room with her and sneak glances at her boobs and ass when he can). Average case is man does 90% of the giving (picks up the tab even though it’s just friend relationship, moves her furniture, hooks up her printer, fixes her clogged drain, etc). Best case scenario is the woman gives 20% as much as the man (she might actually cook an appetizer every once in a while, like if they are study buddies in law school).

      Perhaps twice in the history of the world there was a sexless friendship between a man and woman where the woman gave 40% as much as the man in terms of kindness, money, and nice acts.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 5:23 am FamilyMan

        Usually when there’s a sexless friendship, one party would fuck the other given the opportunity, but the other is refusing or it’s clear they would refuse. Usually it might seem the man would bang and the woman is refusing, and this makes sense if women are prudish — as it should be, how else can they be virginal for their eventual husbands. Women today aren’t very prudish (ha!) and so there are often friendships where the woman lusts after the guy.

        In that case the woman does more than the guy.

        I’ve thought I had friendships (one I’m thinking of in particular) with women where sex was totally off the table, and the woman was very nice and it felt equal. I’m a nice guy after all. But looking back, it was probably that I had the upper hand and she was preemptively sending frequent refusal signals to me (it was sort of ridiculous how often she did this) because she knew I was unavailable.

        This means I should have demanded more and given less I guess. A naive boy I was.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 1:52 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      Sharks and women do not offer sincere friendship for its own sake. They blindly follow the circuitry logic of instinctive imperative perfected over eons. Women only might have reprieves from relentless seeking and destroying but total submission to capable man, but that is effectively illegal and uneconomical based on supply and demand coupled with hypergamy. Without patriarchy, she swims relentlessly and offers no quarter to a One Penis that would squelch her exploration drive that does not have 50 better offers at all times. The newlywed glow fades into the drudgery of life at the hands of the female imperative. No patriarchy, no rest for the wicked.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:40 pm Tilikum

        “Sharks and women do not offer sincere friendship for its own sake.”

        exquisite…..

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm Greg Eliot

        Let’s be fair to sharks.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:31 pm Never Mind the Balzac

      ““using you for friendship” This may be the single saddest phrase I’ve ever read on the Internet.

      Depends if we’re talking about the male definition of “friendship” or the female definition.

      There are countless historical examples of men willing to give up there lives for their friends.

      Conversely, you’ll be hard pressed to find any such exaples from the – sugar and spice and all things nice gender.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:51 pm Heywood Jablome

        “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:44 pm Charlie Dont Surf

      This resonates with me:

      It is thus in these men’s interests, and for their mental health, to know when they’re giving above and beyond the call of a casual friend and not getting what they want in return, so that they can exit stage right while they still have a shred of dignity left to preserve.

      Here’s a litmus test:

      If others see you together and quickly suspect you’re lovers – she’s a keeper.

      If others see you together – and don’t suspect – she’s doing you a disservice – and thereby you’re being ‘used’.

      Body language speaks volumes here … and loudest to other women.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 10:11 pm Rick250

        ““I can’t even think of a reason why I would like to hang out with a girl I’m not attracted to.”

        “…aaaand I have identified the second-saddest phrase I’ve ever read on the Internet.

        Do you think this attitude is a widespread one among men?””

        Yes. Its all about the best choice. Visiting women you dont want to fuck is fine on occasion i guess..and so is visiting your grandma, but in this busy world we live in first, second, and third choice for a dude is to hang with his male, good buddies if he is not chasing poon.

        Men of value are about self-improvement. Men are doers. I go visit a friend and hear about what his latest project is, or we check out his firearm collection – i learn esoteric things. We go to a strip bar and play pool (and i play my best because i could actually lose) and i relish in the experience/pleasure of being a man. Skiing or mtn biking..personal goals like learning a language or bodybuilding. Sure, a women could be part of the group or your self improvement, but the question becomes ‘Will she be a hindrance?”
        Because, in reality, most women will be. Generally, women want to ‘smoke the bowl’, not learn anything about the detailed enginering involved in making the garden that produces it.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 1:22 am FamilyMan

      Usually if people are in the market for sex, there’s a sexual tension in a male-female friendship. Maybe always. Generally there’s no sex because one of the two said no, or would obviously say no. That one has the advantage, and therefore it’s a lopsided relationship.

      If you’re a guy, you want to be the one with the advantage, otherwise screw it (or forget it.) The same doesn’t happen from the girl’s perspective, because her innate hypergamy and hamster lead her to cling harder to relationships where she is one-down, rather than leaving them. Therefore as a guy it is possible to have these nice platonic relationships where you are well treated and your dick stays dry.

      I once moved far away from my fiancee for work. I was not going to fuck anyone else. I met a single mother in the city where I worked, and she literally showed me around, we spent time together and she always had her 4 year old daughter along. I was “used” as a surrogate daddy during those times, and that’s fine, I don’t mind helping a little kid. The woman made an occasional show of preemptively nexting me sexually, so maybe that meant her hamster was running and she knew I was not available — or maybe not and she was just doing it to get a decent man around her daughter sometimes, but in any case, it was a nice friendship with an interesting woman and her daughter, I got female companionship from it when my fiancee was far away, and I didn’t feel exploited, well maybe a little bit (she asked me to go on some tedious trips and I finally started saying no) but it was ok.

      The reason it was ok is that I was not at all in the market for sex at that time. Women have brains (well some of them do anyway) as well as vaginas, but if there’s sexual tension, you’d better deal with the vagina issue first.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 10:31 am Matthew King

      You don’t “use” somebody for friendship. You are friends with them. You give, they give back, it’s reciprocal and mutually enjoyable. It has its own value.

      Your natural manliness obfuscates this issue for you. You have described male friendship, and yes, women can partake in it so long as they act mannishly.

      Just as women are not designed for politics, neither are they designed for philia or friendship or brotherly love. They are the streamlined rocket booster of eros, and anything that takes away from their ability to produce longing, concomitantly takes away from their femininity.

      If your “buddies” still want to fuck your masculated personality, it’s an expression of their faggocity. “S/he’s great! Like your best friend … but with a cunt!”

      No, that’s not great. That’s ten kinds of deviant, as is any confusion between philia and eros (which happens to be the official, totalitarian, cultural policy of our age).

      Matt

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  10. on January 27, 2014 at 1:37 pm riseofman

    6. She’s a manipulative manjango

    This encompasses any woman who knowingly uses her pussy power for ensnaring beta’s. A cross between a single mom and a gold digger, this woman will emotionally and financially drain you until you become nothing but her puppy dog, seeking rare scraps of unsatisfactory poon.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:13 pm Hugh Mann

      At the risk of boring repetition, Kipling’s The Vampyre is the relevant poem here.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:48 pm Matthew

        I cannot believe I’d never heard of that poem until now. Many thanks.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:04 pm Heywood Jablome

        Good one, that.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:34 pm Greg Eliot

        Sigh… I remember when one still had a chance of brushing across some reading of giants like Kipling in junior high and high school.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 1:41 pm Hugh Mann

        Kipling really was clear eyed about these things. “The Ladies” and of course “The Female Of The Species” which covers a lot of CH wisdom.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:01 pm Matthew

        Don’t forget “The Betrothed”.

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  11. on January 27, 2014 at 1:38 pm Anonymous

    On the subject of single moms, I could use some advice. I’ve hooked up a couple of times with one and she’s put the no strings arrangement on the table for times of mutual boredom/horniness. As I am swallowing the red pill I’m cautious about this. I have no romantic inclinations or oneitis, purely sexual intentions.

    My main concern is knocking her up. I’m going to wrap up every time with extra safes, she says she’s on the pill but I won’t take her word for it. I can’t see her wanting to have a kid intentionally but I am paranoid. I flush the rubber. She has one kid from marriage, recently separated, says she isn’t maternal and enjoys being able to hand the kid over to dad. Middle class, respectable profession. Small town, lonely but says she doesn’t want a boyfriend.

    What’s the risk here? Lower than a ghetto welfare queen, sure, but I’m still concerned. She’s 32 so not massively fertile. I’m even considering nightly hot water baths for my balls, lol. Am I worrying too much?

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:01 pm Scray

      Ok well all women want a boyfriend, companion. Never listen to that shit. And I mean, how long have you been doing stuff with her? If she’s already talking about the kids and her proclivities and it’s been less than like two months…lol…you could be on the verge of getting played. If it’s been several months and she’s just now starting to talk about it….fine.

      Your risk of what?
      Getting played?
      Hard to say.

      How often do you vs her pay for stuff
      How often do you have sex
      How often does she want to see you
      Does she let you come and go as you please, or is she already expecting commitment
      Does she do domestic shit for you

      etc. etc. etc.

      Evaluate based on that type of shit.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:54 pm Anonymous

        Only risk I’m worried about is pregnancy. Don’t care about being played as only interested in the V for a couple of months. Won’t spend any money. Sex at hers once or twice a week when kid is away. No dates, public contact (keeping it discreet due to small town) or such romantic behavior.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:12 pm Scray

        Well then just wrap it up, brah.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:41 pm Lady

        Do not assume she is not “massively fertile”. I’m 32. It took my husband and myself two months before I found myself pregnant. I have four friend around the same age, and they all got pregnant with three months or less of trying. If she’s relatively fit, she could have issues (assuming she won’t have secondary infertility). Remember, female fertility only takes a minor dip around age 29, with the more significant one around age 35. You are wise to take precautions.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:44 pm Lady

        Whoops *no* issues

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:04 am Hugh G. Rection

        Yeah either she’s fertile or she’s not. Once you start bargaining in your mind, telling yourself “ah it’s gonna be ok” – DANGER ZONE!

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:04 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      You’re doing fine. Just remember to glove up with trojans that YOU bring to the party. Don’t use hers. Also, don’t double-wrap; that actually increases the chances that they’ll both break.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:52 pm Matthew King

        You should write a “Chicken Soup for the Slut” series.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:26 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Bwaah-ha-ha !!

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:24 am Matthew King

        Hints from Whoroise.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm Greg Eliot

        Beyond The Valley Of The D(r)olls.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:23 am Mob Barley

        rd now you bring value to the forum

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 11:55 pm anonYmous

      Pay attention to her cycle. Figure out when she ovulates. if she ovulates on the 8th then sex between the 1st and 15th has a greater likely hood of knocking her up. course she is most likely going to be horny during that time. what you do about that is ur business, best bet is to wrap and pull out during those times; not “or”. A hot bath also lowers sperm count. There is a lot of info on this stuff in the comment section of other posts. Just search cycle game.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:07 am thwack

        Buy her an Akuaba and make her use it.

        It worked for my sister.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 5:31 am FamilyMan

      If she’s right that she’s not maternal, she’s a sick bitch that could do any evil. Normal women’s strongest emotion is maternal love.

      If she’s not being exactly accurate, she is lying to you for strategic reasons.

      So what’s to worry about?

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 5:34 pm moses

      No you are not worrying too much. All single moms are in trapping mide. Proceed at your own risk.

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  12. on January 27, 2014 at 1:41 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    It’s posts like this that makes CH the best of the Manosphere (and yes you are the Manosphere). Such elegantly pithy ACTIONABLE intelligence. Actionable is all the difference! Damn the abusers I once supported! Let them rot in the beds they have already made.

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  13. on January 27, 2014 at 1:46 pm Rosalie

    But what if you’re a virgin, you want to stay so until you get married and the guys you meet know that? Does it mean that you cannot have male friends or you exploit any man you go out with?

    [CH: This isn’t your worry. If a man doesn’t mind being your friend, and accepts the sexlessness as part of the bargain, then carry on with your coy self.]

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:08 pm pulsotic

      That raises an interesting point. What’s the best method to get a woman who’s waiting until marriage to have sex to abandon her Christian beliefs and have sex.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:50 pm Matthew

        Problably some sort of ritual where you sign over your power of attorney to a Jew.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:25 am Matthew King

        LOL

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:26 am Matthew King

        (Most droll.)

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:47 pm Anonymous

        Have her parents get divorced.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:38 pm driveallnight

        Just ask whorefinder.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:07 am Hugh G. Rection

        Two words: Fake wedding.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 5:39 am FamilyMan

        You. Should. Not. Do. That.

        You stumble on a little shred of decency and idealism in the world, and you want to ruin it. Shithead.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:26 am Mob Barley

        lol welcome welcome welcome, come inside I believe you will enjoy your stay, ch is here for dark enlightenment, including but not limited to helping a girl lose virginity

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:43 pm pulsotic

        LOL, talk about putting the pussy on a pedestal.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:29 pm Charlie Dont Surf

      I dated such a woman throughout college.

      I respected her wish – even when she begged me not to.

      She loved me for that – and saw to it that I NEVER went ungratified.

      Earned a Phd in Foreplay.

      Penetration is really “charged” – and a woman has about a 40% chance of peaking. Those are crap odds for an unselfish lover.

      Check out the DOing Method … she’ll sing your praises, when her mouth isn’t otherwise occupied.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:06 am Hugh G. Rection

        See I never got that with the religious girls. Isn’t doing other stuff worse?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:27 am Mob Barley

        na they have weird concepts

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 12:05 am Hugh G. Rection

        It’s like those ultra-orthodox Jews who try to get around all the Sabbath restrictions. Spirit of the law and all that…

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  14. on January 27, 2014 at 1:50 pm gunsafetypro

    Interesting. I’m gonna incorporate this into the “Avoiding a Fight” part of my CCW class.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:00 pm Heywood Jablome

      More detail, please.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:03 pm gunsafetypro

        I’m incorporating “4. She likes to play “Let’s you and him fight”.”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:06 pm Heywood Jablome

        The LYAHF gambit usually happens in places where alcohol’s being served. Dunno about your jurisdiction, but in mine, we can’t carry concealed in places with liquor licenses.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:11 pm gunsafetypro

        My area allows restaurant carry as long as you don’t drink. More using LYAHF as an example of the type of situation that can go south more than expected.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm Heywood Jablome

        Ah. Yes, it’s an easy way to get a fight going.

        De-escalation certainly matters a lot when you’re carrying. No girl you’re dating is worth a homicide charge.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:15 pm gunsafetypro

        Bingo!

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:13 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Some places you can, as long as you’re not drinking.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:16 pm Heywood Jablome

        … which is why I brought it up.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:13 pm pulsotic

        Like a movie theatre. No texting during previews!

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:09 pm gunsafetypro

        @Pulsotic

        The papers don’t make much hay out of the fact that both the movie theater killer’s wife and his victim’s wife were with them. If there were video of that incident I would definitely want to see it.

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  15. on January 27, 2014 at 2:00 pm having a bad day

    field report.

    This might be OT because it might be the opposite of women using you, but I wanted comments from the group, since I’m not sure what happened…

    Over the past 6 months, Ive had 2 incidents that I have taken to calling the “Dead Alien Stare”…

    Background. I’ve been slowly raising my “sliders” over the past 3 years. I’ve avoided a nasty divorce (whewww! Thanks, guys!), and I’ve also been able to test CH’s theories in various venues and they seem to be correct… So, with my new-found “alpha’ vibe, i’ve noticed women reacting differently to me.

    So, last summer, I went out with my buddy and his fiancé (and no, I can’t talk him down off the ledge…), and my wife and kids. his fiancé was 27, tall blonde, thin, attractive, etc. He’s early 40’s, accomplished, but beta. So, mid-way through our visit, i get the “dead alien stare” from her. I’ll describe it below, but at the time I thought it was very strange.

    Until it happened over the holidays with another woman, in a similar setting – my nephew’s girlfriend. She’s 19, brunette, attractive, thin, etc. going to college. in the middle of opening holiday presents with the rest of the family around…

    The dead alien stare looks like an alien just took over the woman’s body. her pupils are dilated so much that her eyes look completely black, a slack/vacant expression devoid of feeling (it was definitely not flirty), with a direct, unwavering, unblinking stare directed right at me. No talking or any accompanying interaction, just the stare.

    It was kind of creepy (even more so than just the violation of social conventions involving direct eye contact with ‘taken’ women). I would have said demon possession, but there wasn’t a feeling of evil involved. It also wasn’t the hamster. i’ve seen that wake up before, and this wasn’t that, it was something else.

    I don’t have any desire to spin these women into anything, but i’m curious as to what was going on…

    Any ideas?
    Thanks.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:04 pm Heywood Jablome

      Need more detail. Was each a long stare? Were there any commonalities in those situations? Were the topics of conversation similar?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:15 pm having a bad day

        The stare lasted as long as I could stand it…it was getting to the uncomfortable/people would start to notice stage, so I broke eye contact…no conversation. after I broke eye contact, they seemed to come back to themselves, and it was like nothing happened. it didn’t seem like a conscious effort on their part.

        The first was across the table at dinner, the second was across the living room… the only common theme was that I was the most alpha guy in the room and there were plenty of “family” around.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm Heywood Jablome

        Next time it happens, cross your eyes and stick out your tongue at her.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm Gr8YT

        Flashback to watching their BFFs bleed out in Iraq.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:20 pm BlackPoisonSoul

      Tempted to say “stoned as fuck”, only it does not seem to apply.

      I wonder if she just realised consciously that she was more attracted to you than her man and it kicked the hamster wheel right off the axles.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm having a bad day

        Neither one was stoned…(or even drunk). One more common theme is that they were both “good girls” (but I’m not so sure about the college girl….)

        they both seemed to be quite unconscious actions…it was very weird.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:33 am Mob Barley

        my friend’s girl started rubbing up on me at the poker table while my oblivious friend sat on the other side of the table engrossed… something with b1tches and incest-like behavior…

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:46 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      This is a reoccurring question:
      http://www.puaforums.com/how-flirt/13056-i-dont-know-where-put-what-does-mean.html

      I think I know what you are talking about. Once you adapt to the reality of the female playing field in effect, you become empowered with self-interest expressed by body language/eye contact as narcissism. I believe getting the blank stare is the transition point from only viable nite game to viable day game. It is instinctive attraction or at least interest from cock carousel riders that you are getting without alcohol or flashy lights in the dark. You should be able to recognize these blank stare women as dressed to impress alpha but always to deny and have the cover story of “I have a right to dress this way” and “does not mean that”–the fuck it doesn’t. I think the stare is interest not sufficient to create actionable-to-her attraction.

      In short, I covered this as I see it in my post “Sleigh Season Deepens”:
      http://realitydoug.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/sleigh-season-deepens/

      Welcome to the cock carousel. Being a successful vendor will take more development, should you want to. The tells I see are clevage depth/channel greatly exposed (analogous to vagina like red lipstick on mouth is analogous to simian swelling that signifies readiness for action) and ass clevage accentuated by tightness/contrasting thong color and most nearly exposed by shirt termination approaching the vagina. Your inner game has barely arrived, me things.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:54 pm JCclimber

      Next time, return the stare, give a twitch of the eyebrows and a slight head tilt in a given direction, without smiling. Stand up, and head in that direction (toward the kitchen, the bathroom, the hallway, outside, to get more firewood, etc.

      See if she follows you as quickly as she can socially disengage herself. If she’s interested, she’ll probably initiate conversation. Her conversation is seeking hamster food. If she does, she’s interested in you pursuing her. Escalate without losing alpha. That’s how I met my wife.

      If she gives you that stare while swallowing….you could probably take her right there in front of everyone. Please don’t.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm The Spirit Within

      Nice comment, and it’s happened to me as well. The modern girl seems to go away briefly, and you can see a hundred black primordial impulses working in concert below her surface.

      It’s probably the girl’s lizard brain awakening to the fact that you’re attractive. IMO it only occurs with taken girls.

      Men have to grapple with that savage need for violent domination; women have to grapple with their attraction to men who would do such things.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:58 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      They were digging you.

      Dilated pupils are a sign of sexual arousal. (Renaissance-era Spanish ladies used to put tincture of belladonna into their eyes to force the pupils to dilate…that’s where “bella donna” comes from.)

      As far as the slackness of expression…I’ve noticed that when men become very turned on, the look on their face is actually quite slack. They look sort of stoned to me, actually. I can’t think of any reason why it should be all that different for women. It’s registering as odd to you because you’re used to seeing manufactured signs of arousal…e.g., deliberate flirting.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 3:12 pm Ronin

      “Doggie dinner-bowl eyes”.

      (Limbic vag-splosion reaction to you Alpha subcoms)

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 5:42 pm random redneck

        I always thought the dinner bowl eyes were a step down from this? I hadn’t seen it called that in a long time, just realized I’ve got them from almost all of the current girlfriends/wives of my close friends.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:58 pm Matthew King

      Duh. This one is so obvious that I suspect you must be trolling.

      Game should be all about eliciting that stare. Because once she’s in that deep, there are a hundred foolproof ways to go with it. It’s an indication of defenselessness.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:22 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        I totally disagree. Only lately have I gotten that look, and not every day. There is a block to converting the stare into action. I think there are two fears of rejection to neutralize, rejection from her support group/loss of reputation, and rejection from the desireable man. It is not a look most men get. It is different that the look a woman has when she is intentionally out to get fucked by somebody. Defenselessness? You are talking about women, right?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:41 pm Amy

        I’ve never even heard of this look. I thought the “tell” was that she keeps glancing at you, but then when you catch her looking, she looks away.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:28 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        @Amy, you are right. Women expect men to understand their ways, to ‘just know’. Women let men catch them looking necessarily without feral neediness. (Civilized people need each other to keep civilization.) I h ave learned to do the same thing to fish for attaction. Tim Ferriss wrote about Clinton using that technique essentially as heavy affirmation locking in his target’s perception of a special connection per his ‘Reality Distortion Field’. I’ve made it work only once or twice but have yet to capitalize further.

        The tells I gave were to identify women who are actively looking for some cock carousel. These women will often have tattoes, sometimes all hidden under clothes. I don’t believe this asssessment from ‘having a bad day’ was accurate: “One more common theme is that they were both “good girls” (but I’m not so sure about the college girl….).”

        The blank stare is some autopilot thing, reptilian. I wonder if it is becoming more common as women from the reproductive pipeline become increasingly vapid, empty, narcissistic. My characterization of it as cock carousel interest or awe is preliminary. @JCclimber seems to have it figured out. I have been thinking in similar terms but have yet to capitalize on the black stare. I think it is basically a primitive courtship state sociable only by pure instinctive communication (subcommunication). It is the language of women, but only men can employ that language with some consciously chosen goal. Women sublimate their logic to instincts; (civilized?) men, the reverse. I don’t think good girls follow their instincts so vapidly out of self-respect in a cultural context, but then what are good girls anymore without good liberated fathers to instill cultural considerations?

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 11:21 pm GasButtox

        Amy,

        My buttox are smooth…
        My buttox are round..
        My buttox will soon make….
        An amazing sound !!!

        After that, it will be your ceremonial honor to…..

        ….Detox my Buttox..

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 6:20 am FamilyMan

        Guys wouldn’t tell you if they got that look from you. The flirty glancing is something you do intentionally. This isn’t.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:03 pm Amy

        I would never stare a man I was interested in like that. I would consciously avoid staring, in fact. It strikes me as crude and kind of aggressive.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 5:30 pm random redneck

        Amy.

        Crude, yes. What part of UNconscious is tripping you up?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:48 am Matthew King

        [S]he keeps glancing at you, but then when you catch her looking, she looks away.

        That’s the junior varsity version.

        In the big leagues you inspire a literal trance or enchantment. Everything that constitutes “woman” is meant to discover and attract just that sort of man, and suddenly it is in front of her. It induces a kind of shock. All of her femininity comes to the surface and comes together in concert, pulsating from her unconscious to her conscious mind, roaring, this is it … this is it …

        It’s not unlike what happens when a man spies a ten in the flesh and catches her eye. The world drops away and he experiences an existential moment. This is what it’s all about…

        It happens more in younger women because they are closer to their nature and less practiced in their defenses (like “when you catch her she looks away”). As women age they lose their innocence and their fearlessness in this regard. Old ladies become cynical: they have lived long enough without connecting at that level, or they have lived many years since their last epiphany of that sort, a kind of religious experience. So they discount it as unreal, or wishful-thinking of the soul-mate kind.

        From the other side, though, the heartbreaker can report the woman’s dream of a Knight in Shining Armor is alive and well and universal. The more cynical they are, the more instantaneously they liquefy.

        “I fell for you like a child…”

        Matt

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:56 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Hypnotized serpent eyes …

        You’re seeing the telomere of a truncated soul – designed by God to serve man. A reflection of the gaze that beguiled her – and cast us from Eden.

        When you see it again – Lean-in close and say;

        ‘Can I have a bite of your apple?’

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 11:06 pm panelvan69

        “May I have a bite… …”

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 6:27 am FamilyMan

        My man, I think the main difference is you and your skill / vibe / game success. I still think women are women. I’ve had the look a few times.

        It might be the same as the “love at first sight” look, which in my experience doesn’t happen. Think of Godfather II, when Michael first sees Appollonia (the girl he really loved, who got blown up in a car) while he’s hiking toward Corleone in Sicily. They stare at each other a long time, she is sort of slack jawed. They had a Godfather movie marathon this weekend. Lots of good masculine acting in that movie.

        If my theory is right that it’s oxytocin reprogramming her brain, you should want to prolong the look so she’s locked in harder. Unless you don’t want her at all.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:43 am ‘Reality’ Doug

        That could be related to ‘love at first sight’. Makes sense to me. I think a women sees unusual value registering and is blown away. Godfather I and II were great. I definitely want to intensify. Holding a gaze is manly and women instinctively know it. Oxytocin overload. lol I think we are going to figure this shit out if we share info. Problem is a lack of test trials and so experimentation. When it happens, I can lock a girls attention, but somehow it’s not actionable. I have some ideas to try. Priming her interest with a prolonged gaze may prove useful. The two avenues I am looking to explore are subcommunication and going caveman.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:05 pm tteclod

        He’s still married; he’s probly forgot if he ever before recognized interest.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:33 pm having a bad day

        nope. part of the red pill i choked down was knowing that I had to have an ‘exit strategy’ to effectively game my wife away from the lawyer’s office. I practice flirting/pickup whenever I can, and just because I don’t, doesn’t mean I can’t…

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 11:30 pm tteclod

        If you’re like me, “whenever I can” isn’t often; we’re hobbled. “Ball and chain” isn’t an empty analogy. I’m fond of my kids and enjoy my wife, so the time I spend outside business is necessarily abbreviated by my chosen personal life.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 6:39 am FamilyMan

        Me three.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:51 pm having a bad day

        not trolling…i understand about normal stares, dilated pupils, reactions/indicators of interest, etc. i’ve soaked up enough from the resident experts, and have enough applied in-field testing to be completely disabused of any romantic notions regarding women.

        These stares were different, so I thought i’d ask. i’ve never seen pupil dilation that severe…

        one thing that I hadn’t thought of until this post was that i hadn’t ever had any real interact with either of the women. the first was just chit chat/social niceties/ and the second was no interaction at all. That might have something to do with it, but i don’t know.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:58 am BlackPoisonSoul

        Yeah didn’t think it was doggy dinner bowl eyes. Sounded too extreme.

        Seems like the others worked it out. Very interesting!

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 2:07 am acusa

        That’s a look common to women in semi-conscious psychological turmoil as well as under the influence of various neurochemical cocktails, whether endogenous or exogenous.

        As an example, recall a moment when you were in a reverie of remembrance of your caddish exploits from the night (and morning) before before while waiting for your coffee to be served, driving, or doing some other mindless, automatic task. In that moment of half-consciousness your unfocused gaze — influenced in part by the rush of neurochemical activation of the lizard brain limbic system and reward centers of the brain — would probably strike an unsuspecting passerby as scary (and/or sexy). A similar effect is at play.

        The thousand-yard stare is a compliment to your intimidating nature and naturally, via limbic system stimulation, induces primal responses of desirous surrender to the potential threat with genetic material displaying strong survival material. That same limbic over-activation produces a heady brew of phenylethylamine (PEA, the same stuff chocolate and love induce the release of — which is the chemical backbone of amphetamines and their derivatives) and other strongly rewarding neurochemicals in a catecholamine cascade of excitement: epinephrine (adrenaline), norepinephrine, and dopamine — which all are part of a feedback loop that mutually increase availability of these chemicals, as dopamine is converted into norepinephrine, which is then subsequently converted to epinephrine. You are giving them a multi-sensory rush that transcends the mammalian consciousness and reaches into the cthonic realm of the lizard brain: similar to the pump you’d get from a good workout out, an adrenaline rush you’d get from winning a fight combined, and the sexual stimulation of having a sex bomb supplicating for you in bed after your victory over her — combined.

        That, my brothers, leads us to the true biochemical nature of the female sexual instict: it must be coaxed from the inhibitory neurochemicals that bathe it in warm amniotic stupor – serotonin, GABA, et.c. — and won over through the myriad gatekeepers of primate social meta-consciousness in the forebrain, the mammalian dog-consciousness of the midbrain, and the stormy electrochemical seas of the hindbrain from whence our glorious ancestors were birthed of bloody conquest. The excitatory neurochemicals are the key to these doors unlocking themselves; thus we game.

        (Or she’s rolling, coked up, spun, stoned, nodding, and(/or) drunk. Beware, and bag it up with care!)

        As always, my gratitude and best regards to CH.
        -acusa

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 6:51 pm Kay

      Dead Alien Stare = they think you are a moron.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Dead Alien Smell = Your Vagina

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 10:19 pm having a bad day

      Thanks for all the comments. I really appreciate it.

      i’m glad to know others have seen the same thing. the reptilian brain vibe is probably the closest description so far. it was just kind of creepy, although with all the red pill info i’ve soaked up so far, i had a feeling it was probably some kind of attraction cue…

      @’Reality’ Doug
      i’m perfectly capable of being a successful vendor to the carousel riders (my day game is actually much better than my night game. although, actually now that i think about it, there really isn’t any difference except the time of day…). with everything i’ve learned around here, and enough in-field testing/experimentation, it’s like i have the “they live” glasses on.

      by the way, both women were dressed to cover, not to show off their assets (even with plausible deniability). so, i didn’t pick up on the stares being part of an availability gambit. My ability to pick up on interest cues is pretty well developed. (or so i thought…)

      as far as the “good girl’ descriptor. both women present themselves (and family/friends opinion of them is) as good girls (even the college girl). everyone on this site knows the reality….

      @JCclimber
      Thanks…I know how to escalate, and no I won’t!

      @ The Spirit Within
      Thanks. That description seems about right.

      @Charlie Dont Surf
      lol, nice opener….but i didn’t get the demon possession vibe…

      @ RappaccinisDaughter
      if they were digging me (and the consensus seems to be that they were, and i’ve never seen dilation that intense), it was all on a sub communication/primitive level. i hadn’t interacted at all with the college girl, although i had picked up subtle IOIs from her in past family get-togethers, we have never talked at all… and i only met my buddy’s fiancé that one time for about an hour. and i wasn’t any where close to player mode…

      feel free to keep commenting, but i think so far the consensus is that what i saw was some type of primitive attraction indicator, most likely on a subconscious level, probably cued by my sub communication alpha vibe. also, it might manifest more in ‘taken’ women…

      so, the questions that arise (for purely hypothetical interest, and to keep my exit strategy up to date…) are

      1) is this an adaptive ‘alpha fux/beta bux’ behavior, for in-group/tribe/family harmony while cuckolding? or merely a primitive ‘take me now, i’m receptive” indicator…

      2) if you were to try to spin up one of these plates, what type of variations on basic game would apply? would there be greater ASD/LMR or not?

      3) is there likely to be any difference in spinning up one of these plates than say a normal day game, coffee shop instadate? if so, what might that difference be?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:04 am ‘Reality’ Doug

        Just my tentative two cents:

        1) Women are not adaptive at being adaptive. That is to say, a woman’s adaptibility and trickery game is the same program it was 100,000 year ago or more. Men ‘compute’, which is adaptable adaptation, and that ability is responsible for culture/society, living in the Reality Principle. The brillliance of evolutionary design is in the system not the individual. Could be nature’s adaptation in your former but definitely a woman’s nature in your latter. Women know not what they do in the big scheme of things. They function exclusively in the moment by association ignorant of causality.

        2,3) I would not exactly work on rapport or conversation or social proof. The hindbrain wants total, primitive conquest and your only challenge is to deliver. Leave society/culture/human consciousness out of it unless she should move over a little to the left for your pleasure. She is your piece of meat and human toy to lose by making yourself or her out to be something other than a man in the act of playing with his female toy. Sooner or later she will snap out of it, at which point the usual frame control, alpha vibe, rationalization management will apply. Just hypothesizing at this point. I might have answers in a year.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 5:43 am boomerick

      the stare signals her switching you from the friends ladder to the sex partner ladder…..

      she is blanking out while her hindbrain recasts you as a potential lover……

      like a movie playing in her head that drounds out current surroundings…….

      shes picturing you screwing her…..

      your signal to MOVE!!

      Over and Out.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 6:10 am FamilyMan

      I think it means she’s available to you.

      Why such an odd involuntary action? Oxytocin flooding her system is my bet. Oxytocin is the female bonding chemical.

      For example, when she gives birth, there’s a flood of oxytocin in her system that causes maternal bonding with her baby. This is established mainstream science, I think they even teach it in Lamaze class.

      She is bonding to you. It’s not voluntary. The ball is now in your court and she will try to say yes to your proposals.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 10:16 am Matthew King

      Here’s the easiest way to think of it. Women are used to being objectified — not the gazer but the gazed-upon. They are less practiced in how to deal with seeing a male ten.

      It’s not even a conventional beauty thing, it goes deeper. It is a sense of perfect complementarity, healthfulness, a match. This is the origin of crushes on people we don’t necessarily find conventionally attractive. They have a je ne sais quois about them that resonates with your vibe. There is something primal, even genetic about the connection. They seem like a custom-designed fit to your own peculiarity. (I believe it also explains the popularity of Jennifer Lawrence, whose attractiveness comes from somewhere other than her slightly-above-average looks.)

      So the top-scale women will become used to these looks out of sheer frequency, and mid-ranged women will also get pinged by a slack-jawed dude with a matching wavelength — so long as she is not overly plain or repulsive. But since this matchmaking phenomenon goes beyond appearance and into something more like presence or vibe (or “frame”), women will be more easily ambushed by it.

      Men have to practice restraint from pubescence when it comes to pursuing their desires, whereas women use passive acceptance — just rolling over and lying still — to have their desires fulfilled. So here comes an instance when activity is demanded of her to capture the attention of a desired man, and she hasn’t the skill set beyond sit there, look pretty, and be flirtatiously reactive when called upon.

      Only she is not called upon in this case, yet she feels the urge to act, and she has no idea how to perform in that manner. Hence the stare. Her faculties are frozen between wanting to move and not knowing how to move. The best her instinct can do is scale the heights of passivity — to act as much as she can within the bounds of non-action — which is to sit still and look really really hard, in the hopes of her non-action triggering his activity.

      Matt

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:44 pm having a bad day

        this passive non-action analysis, coupled with the reptilian brain/subcommunication analysis above seems to fit the best in my two situations. this is probably why The Spirit Within only sees this with taken women, too.

        the passive non-action was the best the women could do in those situations to show attraction because they were constrained by social obligations/family dynamics to avoid an approach of any kind. so, the constraints on their behavior required their subconscious cues to max out their indicators – max pupil dilation, intense stare. etc.

        it would have probably play out differently if we had been in any other scenario/setting – they would have been able to “just happened to” end up talking to me alone…so, their bodies wouldn’t need to ‘shout’ at me…lol…

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:05 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

        Promising synthesis. That gives me a third option or else aspect to explore: 3) change the setting. That is essentially what JCclimber suggested by specific example, but he also used subcommunication, my 1). To be complete, I think one could change the venue by 2) going caveman. Ah, the possibilities. Just one I’d like to know change the venue just to know what it feels like, even though I am way too old for that shit. lol

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 4:54 pm Anonymous age 71

      Very definitely she is in love with you big time. I am far from a PUA, but I have received that look twice. First time was my present wife when I was still married to my first wife, over 40 years ago. And, for the record, no, no misconduct occurred. In fact, I also didn’t understand it.

      Second time was here in Mexico when I was 64, and a 14 year old girl gave me the look. With more experience, I understood it this time. Scared me half to death, not wishing to spend 15 years in US Federal prison.. I asked a close woman friend (the type described above where sex isn’t on the table). She said when she was about that age she also fell in love with an older man. She said just keep treating her like I always had. She will outgrow it, but will never forget you. And, she said there is a good chance she will eventually marry someone much like you. She did that herself.

      Later, her mom made it difficult for my wife and me to visit them. I finally realized it was not I she was worried about.

      Now, she is 21 and had a college educated boy friend. Bingo for my friend.

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  16. on January 27, 2014 at 2:00 pm Anonymous

    I know so many guys who let themselves be used by women and are unashamed of it. I can’t help but believe that they deserve it.

    One guy was dating a single mom for 18 years, trying to have babies with her the entire time, then found out he had a zero sperm count. Paid thousands of dollars for the woman to get IVF with the donor sperm of an anonymous man. They break up, he pays child support for children that aren’t even his and refers to them as ‘my daughters.’ Now he’s dating another single mom, an even trashier one with tattoos all over her arms, and they’ve decided to have a ‘polyamorous’ relationship. He brags about it as if he’s won the lottery, meanwhile he can’t pull any other women while she’s fucking whatever men she likes while using him for resources and emotional support.

    I know another guy who makes upwards of $100,000 a year and married a 42 year old poverty stricken single mom with 4 children by 4 different fathers. And he looks so proud in all of their fancy family portraits, as if an arrangement like that can be called a family, with children by all different father, with every person having a different last name. It’s unbelievable.

    Another trend I’ve been seeing recently is guys getting matching tattoos with their girlfriends. I don’t think you can get much more beta than that.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 7:33 pm Gr8YT

      I’d get a tatoo of my face inked on my own ass just to know a woman has the same. That would be pretty sweet right?

      I’d let my asshair grow to make it look more realistic.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 7:46 am FamilyMan

      “One guy was dating a single mom for 18 years …”

      and I am sure that many times people, both male and female, tried to talk some sense to this guy, and the more direct they got, the more defensive he became. He was some sort of do-gooder without even being able to identify any good he was doing.

      Nothing to say, nothing to do about people like this.

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  17. on January 27, 2014 at 2:15 pm Reservoir Tip

    I mentioned that French girl at my college on a thread quite a while back. Total flirtatious flake.

    Make plans and she cancels the day before, every time. I was thinking the problem keeping me from moving forward to the bang with her was a matter of getting her isolated, but your description seems to fit her just right, CH.

    IMO, these are the most annoying types of girls, mainly because they waste your time, and time is valuable.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:17 pm Heywood Jablome

      Response: next her.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 2:24 pm Reservoir Tip

        I should probably add, though, that she invited me out just the other day. I wasn’t around so I texted her back way later to decline. And she’s bought me stuff before.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:37 pm Heywood Jablome

        There you go. Let her chase.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm Eric

      IMO, these are the most annoying types of girls, mainly because they waste your time, and time is valuable.

      I pursued a girl like that in college. Eventually I accepted the fact that anytime I planned something with her I’d need a “plan B”. As time went on plan B became plan A, and I’d cancel on her unless my other plans didn’t pan out.

      I’d like to say it made her more interested in me, but that didn’t happen. She just put a different guy on the rotation. On the other hand, I had something to do if both our plans fell through for the evening.

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  18. on January 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm Caramba

    6.(This is a modus operandi for eastern european women).
    She flatters way too much.Say that you have a massive cock and make her come like nobody else.Over and over again.Cooks for you.Pretends she is interested in your hobbies and career.

    Yet (if you are not a moron and dont suffer from one-itis) you easily find out that she forgets stuff you told her,full of excuses not to participate in your hobby,and in reality does not exactly know what is it you do for living.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 2:23 pm Grim

      Incorrect. I’d say try remedial reading, but I understand English is not your first language. What you describe in your first paragraph is GREAT while it lasts.

      CH’s post, on the other hand, describes a situation in which the beta male has not got ANY sex, at all, and keeps holding out hope that he will get sex one day as payment for “being nice” and doing things for her. He never had sex with her and of course did not get told his dick is huge, etc.

      So your post is really quite stupid and way off.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 3:34 pm Caramba

        Lets think I did a mental exercise and imagined a beta male was finally getting some sex (after running away to abroad)lol.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 6:50 am FamilyMan

        What’s not to like? And why do these eastern European women do this — to get an immigration visa? To get a man?

        I think going where the ratio is favorable is a very reasonable strategy.

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  19. on January 27, 2014 at 2:27 pm BlackPoisonSoul

    0. She’s talking with you.

    Regarding #1: Don’t be her dickstand. And especially don’t let the kidlets get attached to you if you’re not planning something permanent. Disappearing on them can make ya feel shitty inside, so don’t let her trick you into being their substitute daddy. Playa’s gotta live with himself, even if she’s coldly trying to use her kidlets to snare you as well as using them as a weapon against ex-hubby.

    Regarding #3: “You’re paying.”

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  20. on January 27, 2014 at 2:38 pm Whatnow

    So this girl I’d been dating for the last 2 months or so called me to break up Sunday afternoon, usual bs about not ready for blabla. I laughed a little, asked her if that was all, hung up. She texted me wanting to still be “friends”, I replied yeah, she could introduce me to hot friends, she posted a good-natured “haha I’ll see what I can do” I got some stripper’s # later that evening to boost my ego but whatever, I’m still down.

    So I see her status on FB later on, which says “when you build your house, then call me home”. It’s a line from the Fleetwood Mac song “Sara”, a relationship song that Nicks wrote about Don Henley, and this chick doesn’t post shit on FB much. Christ I feel like a pussy with one-itis but it sounds a lot like she’s trying to get a response out of me.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 3:34 pm fakeemail

      Bitch broke up with you, homes? She’s dead to you now UNLESS she crawls back begging to blow you.

      All you damn bums out there, remember:

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 3:36 pm Heywood Jablome

      Any response is beta. She’s gone. Next.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:27 pm Whatnow

        Yeah didn’t plan on it. Would’ve been cool to get advice from someone other than a 15 year old sperglord.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:49 pm Heywood Jablome

        Who’s the sperglord?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:22 am Mob Barley

        nonpretty truths

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:27 pm Scray

      She didn’t just break up with you, bray.

      She ended it. She doesn’t feel those tingles. When a girl ‘isn’t ready for…’ it’s code for ‘you do not give me tingles anymore.’ She’s a lost cause at that point. Don’t try to flirt. Don’t try to do anything. Your only mission now is to start dicking new puss. Post pics on FB of you with hot (hotter than her) chicks — of course, best DHV would be for hot chicks to tag you in photos with them (lol you don’t get that kind of momentum until you’ve been going out horsing around and bullshitting for a long time tho). Also, look as douchey as possible in those pics….srs. This is your best chance for getting her back. And if she does come back…never commit to her again.

      Really, brah that was probably your one mistake. Once you commit to a girl, you beta yourself instantly. A man who is fucking lots of chicks is an attractive man. Always have someone else on the side you can hit up to fuck.

      If she broke up with you and was a bitch about it….like “youre so mean to me I can’t do this anymore…” and all passionate, then you’d have a shot at more of a direct approach. Not in this case, tho.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm immoralgables

        Yo my dude. I’m taking a 30 Day Manosphere break to see if it helps get my mind right as some of this stuff makes you too corrosive if it’s all you look to absorb, hey.

        All I gotta say is keep spreading your gospel of inner + outer game. It’s good stuff and you’re doing a good job carrying the torch.

        Shoutout to Walawala, YaReally, Hunter, PimpinBlueStar, Lumpy, DarkHorse, Corvinus and all the others that actually go out.

        I’ll eventually be back Scray-dawg. The Red Pill is good but for me it was mostly optimal when it came to killing my beta self. I peeped your comments about getting in better shape and yeah, I’d like to start playing the game on easy mode in that respect. Although, it feels good to be a chubby dude and still pick-up girls in broad day.

        FYI – Banged the Israeli HB7+ au pair and got that shit down on lock for now. Avoided the winter dry-spell all because of day-game and pushing myself out of the comfort zone for a an hour or two Mon-Fri after work.

        PS – @ Byronicmate. I’ll be back with a little mini day-game guide for those just starting out. I didn’t forget your last comment but for now I gotta go and mentally get in tune with other shit.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:22 pm Scray

        Awesome shit dude, congrats on the bang. The only shitty thing is that it’s gonna be Spring any day now lol

        Yeah I mean, Ya said it best — you do only what you need to do. I won’t deny that being in shape helps a lot, but I think the confidence that comes along with it is just nearly unstoppable. You’ll see….only problem is that you will be less and less satisfied with whatever you have now. You’ll feel entitled to more. Nature of the game, right?

        Plus, if you get a little serious and chill out with that 7 for awhile, it’ll give you something to focus on. Maybe cool it a bit on mastering game and instead master your body and fitness. A) It’s all making you more attractive and B) makes it way easier for you not to act needy with her.

        I’ll see ya whenever you get back man. Have a good one

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:27 am walawala

        @immoral Well done.

        Keep going. I’m doing well. Caught the ex gf in a lie after she had contacted me. Told her to fuck off. Should have done that a long time ago, I think it would have been better than just going off the grid or doing that before going off the grid.

        Now gaming church girl. Despite all her ASD I finger banged her before my trip and she’s coming over to cook me breakfast on the morning I return.

        Have a few other things going.

        My 2014 focus is to figure out this oneitis I had and how to make sure this doesn’t come up again.

        Keep us posted.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:41 pm pulsotic

      Compliment her on her taste in music and invite her over to cuddle.

      Srsly tho, it’s not one-itis if it just happened Sunday. I get bummed when a chick flakes. Mostly because I won’t be able to bang her, but still. If you feel like shit a month from now then you got probs.

      It’s probably because I’m an asshole, but I’m willing to go all out Machiavellian on a broad to get my dick wet. I would use some of CH’s friendship script flipping and ask her for help under a guise of sincerity. Since you’re friends she could help you with relationship advice with “the stripper that you met when you were dating.”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:25 pm Amy

        If she’s got any experience at all dealing with guys, she will recognize this for the jealousy play that it is. Scray’s advice about FB pictures is best. If he goes no contact, she WILL check his FB page to see what he’s up to, and posting pics with hot girls will get her wondering if she made a mistake.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:13 pm pulsotic

        I see where you’re coming from. Keep in mind that her experience is with most guys. Most guys would not be able to live with themselves after all the lying I’ve done. I’ve gotten pretty good at it. But we’re talking about a guy that got all butthurt at Heywood’s solid advice, so he hasn’t a chance. I agree with the FB thing. And Scray’s ideas below should not go to waste.
        BTW, you way overestimate women’s intelligence.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 12:09 am Heywood Jablome

        He did seem rather testy at reading my honest take. But hey, nobody ever claimed that the red pill is smooth and delicious.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:07 pm Scray

        If you’re gonna go Machiavellian you need to use a play she hasn’t seen before a billion times. If I wanted to start shit, I’d just say that I fucked a few of her friends. I’d keep it stone cold and snicker about it. Of course, women being who they are, will not believe their friends — who, OF COURSE, will adamantly deny it (altho, if it were me I would have tried to fuck them while we were together to have the sweet sword of truth on my side). This drama will inevitably come back to you. And when her friends get in your face about the truth or whatever….just roll your eyes and shrug ‘yeah ok, ok fine whatever.’ While shaking your head — cause you can’t believe these bitches would lie to your ex-gf like that. Cruel shit.

        Now, the bitches you didn’t sleep with will be fucking furious and outraged — all your ex girl sees is a bunch of her friends reacting like crazy to you. When a man gets women to react to him that = higher value.

        If this got a reaction out of her — of any kind — I would then meet her somewhere, and then I would say that I fucked her friends because I never thought she was enough for me, and I thought she could sense it. And then, affecting some form of bullshit stoicism, I’d say something like ‘yeah….but I guess you don’t realize this stuff until it’s all over…”

        ….

        I haven’t done this. but I have experimented with lies along these lines…..and uhhh….yeah. I don’t think I could pull something like this off (not yet at least) because of the level of stone, cold ice you’d have to be to maintain that lie. My instincts say it could work, and I’m not in your situ…..if you’re really jonesing for something crazy, and you don’t want to go classic FB higher value and move on….hey…why the fuck not?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:02 am FamilyMan

        That made me smile. Yes it really could work, and at zero cost and zero risk. All upside. I’ve never done it, only because I never thought about it. I am cold enough for it, now after years of married conflict, I mean life, anyway.

        Women cannot retaliate in kind because they are afraid of being known as sluts.

        Think of the repercussions if guys started doing this. The average hamster spins per female per day in our country would double or more, then double again, exponential hamster growth unto the hamster singularity!

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm pulsotic

        Excellent ideas. Don’t sell yourself short on whether you can pull it off. The only down side is the amount of work to make it happen. But at that point it’s time to just go find some new leads. This guy is pining over a chick after only two months and he already responded horribly so best thing to do is move on like you said.
        I didn’t mean either/or with the FB thing. Should always be doing that even in a relationship.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 5:01 pm walawala

      @Whatnow

      Ok I’m going to share with you what others hear drilled into my head and I learned the hard way.

      This oneitis is a sickness that I’m still coming to terms with.

      The details of my story are in these archives.

      What I can tell you is yours is 2 months, it’s basically dating and she has issues because girls that are truly sincere don’t just end things that quickly.

      The best reaction to her is to say “I’ve got all the friends I need. I see you as a woman, if you don’t feel the same, ok, good luck” AND NEVER EVER EVER contact her or take her calls again.

      This is for you to get over your oneitis NOT to punish her.

      I had to finally tell my ex gf to fuck off just to make sure she didn’t contact me again so I could move on.

      I have been in the situation where a girl wants to be ‘friends’ but it’s never sincere. She gets a guy she can unload her crap on…you get….NOTHING.

      I can’t stress enough that there is no way around this scenario. The girl left you, going back is “dumpster diving” it shows you have no options, you’re a “nice guy” you’re weak and you will get your heart and dignity shredded.

      There is no shame in walking away. No one can read your mind. So she said “bye” and wants to be friends—only you and her know this. THe rest of the world doesn’t know and doesn’t need to know.

      So don’t bring it up. Just find a way to disappear from her life.

      She will contact you. It will probably be for attention and nothing else.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm Whatnow

        Yeah it’s fucked up. She was wanting me to go on vacations with her and do all sorts of other couples shit last Saturday. I was giving her orgasms, she was going on about the size of my dick. Fuck I passed on so many oppurtunities around thanksgiving and christmas because of her too.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:56 am FamilyMan

        If she’s breaking up with you, then she is in the superior position. If you’re breaking up with her, you are in the superior position.

        As noted in this very thread, male-female “friendships” are always one-sided, one party is superior. Unlike most in this thread I do not think the woman always has the upper hand. Male-female friendships where YOU have the upper hand can be very nice. I find women interesting, some disagree and that’s fine, but when the woman is friendly and accommodating, it’s a nice experience for me. I don’t have enough time for her but I don’t have enough time for other friends either.

        A male-female friendship with the woman in a superior position is fucked up. It’s backwards. If she broke up with you, next her or game her or whatever, but don’t sign up for her friendzone. No way.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:21 pm tteclod

        Walawala is correct. If you’re still hung-up on her a few moths later, and you’ve managed to avoid her, drop her from the friends lists and other contacts such as email, phone, etc. The “clean break” should be a last resort, but it’s worthwhile if you can’t break the cycle.

        Also, the PUA mantra of keeping at it and not worrying about the chicks who decline your offers is totally true. Put your beta-brain in gear for a moment and think of it this way: while you do need to employ every trick available to get the women you want, long term the best girls are the ones who dig you when you’re a dweeb. You won’t find those chicks unless you’re out and about, sending alpha signals to the entire room, and cutting your losses when noth’ns biting. Move on, meet LOTS of birds, get as many to sing as you can, cage the ones you want to keep, and don’t be afraid to free one that stops singing a sweet tune. Eggs are hatching all the time.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:28 pm heyam

        Basically agree with walalla about the course of action but….this girl can definitely be fucked again.

        “She will contact you. It will probably be for attention and nothing else.”

        Don’t agree.

        i had a girl send me a break-up txt about 1.5 months in. I called her 2 days later after no response, I was bubbling with self-amusement. Just chatting away normally than I bring up, while laughing,” What was that txt you sent me?”

        She starts trying to explain and I laugh over her,” No, hahaha, stop. Let’s just sweet that one under the rug, aye?’

        She was basically shocked at my reaction, didn’t fully budge on the breakup…I told her,” Let’s just talk about it the next time we meet up,”

        Aloof, self-amused, and frame-controlled.

        I’m not a god, i simply had another girl pursueing me for a relationship just as she started this shit, a girl slightly more attractive but unforunately lived a bit too far away.

        We met and I drilled her if she was picking fights becuase she wanted to run to some other guy, she insisted she wasn’t, told me to forget about it all, she loved me, exc. Banged her religiously for another 1.5 months until she did it again. I’m unequivically certain I could bang her in less than an hour if I wanted to, a phone call away.

        Everyone here seems gung-hu on “fuck dat bitch NEXT”.

        My advice is listen to others, but ultimately don’t look to them for what to do. Decide for yourself.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:13 pm Whatnow

        Appreciate the responses that showed some degree of nuance.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 11:49 pm walawala

        @Whatnow don’t go for any false hope options.

        Mine was always saying “bye” and I was still banging her. She broke up 2 days before my birthday and I banged her the following Saturday.

        But…then it got weird. She went out with a guy for her birthday and didn’t tell me—it’s a guy in our social circle.

        I was not happy realizing the guy was chasing her but he has zero game telling her “I’m asking you out as friends”…but she used the “triangulation” I withdrew and then she broke up 2 days before a huge event I was planning and that she had promised to attend and help with.

        The other details are spread and well-discussed in these pages. YaReally explained it properly.

        When a girl does what you described, regardless of the label you put on it, it’s no win.

        I wished I had followed the advice given. It’s hard to go no contact. but you have to.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 1:53 pm pulsotic

        Uh oh. You sure you didn’t appreciate his comment because he told you what you want to hear? He’s right, of course. But not for you. You seem too hung up on her. Stick with walawala’s advice until you have an abundance mentality then try the advanced shit. Sometimes it’s the simple answers that make the most sense.

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  21. on January 27, 2014 at 3:17 pm Anonymous

    Completely off topic.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01q3c26

    A radio program about whether being gay is rooted in biology. There’s a scientist giving the evolutionary explanation for ‘gay genes’. A feminist lesbian rejects his explanation because, in her view, if gayness is rooted in biology then so must gender be rooted in biology, and if that’s the case, then it renders the entire feminist ‘project’ useless. She of course provides no counter-evidence. An astounding intellectual failure that I’m sure she was completely oblivious to. Skip to around 12:30 for the feminist hamster in full swing.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:19 pm Scray

      lol…

      …

      How the fuck is gender not rooted in biology?
      one has a DICK
      the other HAS A VAGINA

      WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT
      WHY DO THEY GET TO WEAR SUITS WHEN THEY GO TO WORK
      WHAT THE FUCK

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm Matthew

        Gender is rooted in language, whereas I am rooted in your mom.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:02 pm Scray

        *golf clap*
        Well-played. Well-played.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:06 pm Matthew

        I started out saying the spergy thing, but then I saved it in time.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 4:58 pm Trance Syndicate

        It’s the psychology that states all thought is not innate, but is formed through social construct. It’s an outdated philosophy.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm cynthia

        Except for the fact that everything thinks it’s very much in vogue, and it’s being used to advance such wonderful policies as California allowing teenage boys to use the girls’ bathroom at will.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:37 pm Trance Syndicate

        Everybody but us miss jailbait …

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 3:54 am Hugh G. Rection

        I always laugh at the “social construct” argument, because it just has this whiff of conspiracy theory like a lot of other feminist concepts (think patriarchy, male privilege, rape culture etc.).

        Individual rights are a social construct as well. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:57 am Glengarry

        “Just a social construct” is just a social construct, as we all know.

        But it can be fun to use it to dismiss all sorts of cherished concepts. Oh yeah, but rape is just a social construct though, isn’t it?

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 12:39 am Hugh G. Rection

        Haha, consent is a social construct.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:36 pm ACG1

        According to feminists, the only human trait determined by genetics is obesity.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 4:52 pm Reservoir Tip

      “You think sex.. I mean gender… Is rooted in biology?! GO TAKE A SOCIOLOGY COURSE AND GET BACK TO ME!”

      “You think race is real? LOL get back to me when you’ve taken anthropology and sociology classes!”

      FUCK YOU COLLEGE!

      [CH: The “race is a social construct” ploy has got to be the dumbest one yet that equalists have devised. Using their “logic”, everything labeled and categorized by language is a social construct. “Colors are arbitrary designations.” Technically true, but perfectly pointless, and illuminating of nothing at all.

      Whenever you find yourself arguing with a leftoid, just imagine a giant asshole shitting a turd on common sense. That about sums up the muck you’re battling.]

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:01 pm Scray

        You know, if you actually listen in college, it does little to dispel the notion of race as a social construct. They say ‘race’ is a social construct, but then they start talking about genetic clines. Which makes you go…’uh lol…ok, I guess we’re just using code words now you duplicitous faggots.’

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm Anonymous

        One race is in these types of Darwinian stories more often

        http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/27/3896715/cuffed-suspect-who-drowned-driving.html

        Lolozozlololzz

        All his brainwashed peers think he was a great guy.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:53 pm Gr8YT

        Crikey! Those African t
        Rock-fish sure do get startled by red and blue lights.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 5:59 pm AlphaBeta

        Funny… the idea that every type of human behavior is a “social construct” is unfalsifiable, which is the hallmark of pseudoscience.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 5:42 pm ACG1

      “So you’re rejecting his evidence because of your political views?”

      “It’s not that. It’s that if there is a set of genes or a biological basis, then what that means is feminists may as well give up.”

      OH. MY. GOD. SHE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT! HALLELUJAH!

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 6:57 pm earthman

      That’s brilliantly solipsistic, thanks

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:59 pm earthman

        Ohh it’s Julie Bindel, she’s nutty even by feminist standards

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:34 am Mob Barley

        no saj thing

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 7:01 pm Alec Leamas

      Interestingly, once gays have gained all they can politically and socially, they revert back to saying that orientation is a choice rather than the product of genetics. I predict that if/when the gay agenda has completely succeeded in the United States, the political conventional wisdom will entirely reverse course and claim that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. See the below Norwegian documentary series “Brainwash,” wherein various people, including scientists (most of whom are gay) insist that homosexuality is a choice and has no genetic or biological component:

      My theory is that once their political goals are achieved (on the basis that they must be accommodated because they they have no choice in the matter), gays then have a vested interest in discouraging scientific inquiries into the cause of homosexuality – if a “gay gene” or gestational hormonal imbalance were found to be the cause, the next logical step would be a therapy or selective abortions, etc. to reverse its effects and ensure a straight child.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 7:52 pm haunted trilobite

        Thanks for sharing the video

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 10:15 am Master Beta

      The presenter says to the feminist:

      “So you’re rejecting his evidence because of your political views?”

      I need to get this on a T-Shirt

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  22. on January 27, 2014 at 4:53 pm walawala

    Another great post!

    Another sign a woman is using you: you tell her off or call her on her bullshit and she disappears, doesn’t try to make amends, doesn’t apologize or make it up to you in some way.

    A sincere person would always try to make it up to you or find a way compensate to keep things good between you.

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  23. on January 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm Trance Syndicate

    *She cries after you fucked her hard even though she requested it.

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  24. on January 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm walawala

    A few notes on #5 “Self-made martyr”.

    This is something that is sneaky and insidious.

    It is designed to keep a guy from asking for things: dates, sex, whatever because what kind of dick would badger a girl going through so much pain, suffering etc?

    My ex-gf had a crisis every 2 weeks.

    I’ve since read a lot about “Cluster B” types and the clue to look for is the relationship the girl has with her mother.

    Does the girl have a demanding or otherwise narcissistic mother? Run…fast.

    Mine constantly told me about her crazy mother, hoarder, demanding, withholding affection, “the queen”, she didn’t get a birthday party when she was a kid because mom felt giving her life was a gift itself etc.

    My ex gf interestingly would often “mimic” much of this behavior onto me making it seem like I was never good enough, loving enough.

    Think about it…have you ever had a girl or girlfriend complaining about her mother? Was she as big a drama queen as the mother she described?

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  25. on January 27, 2014 at 5:15 pm tteclod

    So, I’m reading the 5 warning signs, and not observing any errors from my past or in my present. Then I read the bonus and double bonus, and realize I’ve unintentionally hooked a fish. Thank you for the post script.

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  26. on January 27, 2014 at 5:32 pm bobby

    So fantastic. #5 was my woe for 2 years in undergard. At the time I felt such a strong sense of protection/sympathy/wanting to save her…unbeknownst of her tooling prowess

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  27. on January 27, 2014 at 5:49 pm Anonymous

    Would greatly appreciate some help here from other commenters or from the esteemed Chateau…

    I just banged an HB8 on Fri night after the second date. We were at it all night and I totally had my way with her. We repeated in the morning before she left. She’s younger (23) and hotter than my other leads right now (HB7s), so I’m trying to set up another bang… here’s my text messages with her today:

    Me: come to my place on wed or thurs night and bring the movies
    Her: cant, working
    Me: out with friends on fri and sat nights, join me
    Her: cant, working
    Her: you keep picking every night shift I have

    At this point, I know the correct response is to NOT pick another night and ask her. Obviously it would be easier if she just told me what nights she is available, but I guess it’s just shit tests. How do I respond?
    1.) Radio silence for a few days?
    2.) “gay”
    3.) “…”
    4.) “right”
    5.) “next time ur buying drinks”
    6.) “8=====>”
    Something else?

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 5:52 pm A

      escalate: Yup, doing it intentionally.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 6:22 pm YoungBlazer

        in this case, the best response is a non-response. hit her up again in a few days (hopefully she will initiate contact w/ you before then)

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:48 pm darkhorse

        have to disagree. there’s no reason to punish her. frankly, his game is boring. (that’s a fact, I’m not shitting on him.) play it too cool and you risk turning this into a endless ping pong game of antipathy and brinksmanship that never turns into sex. just don’t be the horny hounddog hitting blowing up her phone, begging her for more pussy. that looks weak.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:57 pm Scray

        No, it isn’t. He isn’t James Bond. He does not have that kind of value to her yet — did you even read the text exchanges?

        1-8 are good if it’s like this:

        ‘Me: come to my place on wed or thurs night and bring the movies
        Her: omg i totally cant, im working ugh 😦
        Her: maybe the weekend though?
        Me: out with friends on fri and sat nights, join me
        Her: uggh i can’t i work then too! im sorry
        Her: gosh you keep picking every night shift I have! I keep blowing it’

        IN THIS KIND OF SITU, IT IS INDEED TIGHT TO DROP:

        “gay”
        “8====D”
        “…”

        and their kin.

        It is not like this. Learn calibration. For everything there is a season. 1-8 are not the only tools in the box, my dudes.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:14 pm YoungBlazer

        He’s already made himself look weak and too available. Any more texts sent to her (even frivolous ones) just degrade his status. He should be focusing on other chicks and hopefully this one will ping him and some point with a time she is available.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:29 pm Scray

        Huh? He’s sent her two fucking texts….
        You really think it will degrade his value to say

        “Hey, saw your evil twin today while out doing cool activity X…?”

        Wtf. Normal people interact like this.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 6:02 pm corvinus

      Out of the six selections, I’d pick door #3.

      #1 is a good fallback option.

      #2 and #4 sound butthurt in this case, with #4 in particular sounding like you’re accusing her of lying.

      Another one that you might think over: “i don’t bang chicks on sunday”

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 6:07 pm Trance Syndicate

      in a couple days “we did good…”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm darkhorse

        wouldn’t recommend this. this introduces awkwardness…takes the dialogue to nowhere land. high probability you”ll never fuck her again with game like this. would have her thinking “is this guy trying to play games now because I wouldn’t get with him again when he wanted me to?”

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:47 am Trance Syndicate

        Good shit Dark horse my thought was he needs to get out of the chaser frame, but it looks like she was just looking to be reintroduced to that dominant charming asshole she had at first met.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm padawan125

      I’m really liking “I don’t bang chicks on sunday”

      would everyone else agree?

      (thought I was logged in when I posted my original question)

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:03 pm darkhorse

        No. if you’re going to sexualize your texts, you have to make it fun. this may seem funny to you, but it sounds gruff as hell, very non-sequitur, and it would only be appropriate if SHE were escalating. it would be an appropriate response if she said “Can’t meet, working. I’m thinking about your cock though.”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:44 pm Anon

        Spot on.
        I also find that kind of humor hilarious but in my experience, it really rubs chicks the wrong way.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm darkhorse

        He could say…

        Alas, my foreplay powers are always at their weakest on Sundays 😦

        This is charmingly sexual. It shows intelligence. It shows confidence with language as well as you’re body. It’s not scary sexual.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:04 pm darkhorse

        lol, damn html tags.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 7:09 pm darkhorse

      Tell her this…

      “at use some of your night shift to online shop some lingerie for round 2”

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:11 pm darkhorse

        *at least use…etc.

        don’t play aloof cool guy, it steers the interaction away from sex, which is where you want to keep things. don’t push the meet up again until you get her a little excited about the meet up, otherwise you sound like a desperate caveman and that’s not sexy.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:15 pm darkhorse

        see the difference between

        “at use some of your night shift to online shop some lingerie for round 2”

        and…

        1.) Radio silence for a few days?
        2.) “gay”
        3.) “…”
        4.) “right”
        5.) “next time ur buying drinks”
        6.) “8=====>”

        you seem antisocial with responses 1 through 8. you can introduce that later *in jest* after you have deeper rapport.

        what you need to get across now is that you’re okay with not getting sex immediately, but you’re still a fun lover. 1 through 8 are immature.

        [CH: Chicks dig fun-loving cads who make them chase.]

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm darkhorse

      your interaction was like a watching someone try to walk through a wall again and again…

      Me: come to my place on wed or thurs night and bring the movies
      (this isn’t even charming or fun)
      Her: cant, working
      Me: out with friends on fri and sat nights, join me (walking into the same wall.)
      Her: cant, working
      Her: you keep picking every night shift I have
      (she wants you to take her out, and deliver it in a cool way. try something different. aloof at this point = a fuck you in her mind.)

      better…

      Me: We better hang this week. What does your Thurs or Fri nights look like?
      Her: cant, working
      Me: Now you can. I’ve got a hit out on your boss.
      (Charm instead of aloofness or anger. you risk losing her otherwise)
      Her: Lol. I have night shifts those nights.
      Me: At lease use some of those shifts to online shop some lingerie for round 2. (Now it’s back to sex, in a fun way)
      Her: Who said there’s gonna be a round 2? (expect a coy reply)
      Me: I did. (show confidence. own it) Does Saturday work?
      Her: I can meet Saturday.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:34 pm darkhorse

        sorry for the unreadable html. meant to close a few tags but kept them open lol.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm Scray

        lol ya…..like this shit ^

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:01 pm padawan125

        UPDATE:
        I went with darkhorse’s suggestion…
        (5 hours after last text)
        ME: pick a night- i just put out a huge hit on ur boss
        HER (within 2 minutes): It must have worked…he’s no longer my boss
        HER: Too weird, but I only have tomorrow off this week

        I’m not convinced she’s actually DTF tomorrow… Should I push for tomorrow?

        I’ve only started reading this blog and others about a year ago, I still have much to learn. Thanks for everyone’s responses and helpful criticism.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:13 pm darkhorse

        of course she’s DTF…you guys fucked and she’s down to meet.

        She isn’t DTF a guy that gets weird and clams up like a hermetic mute after she bangs him. Just like she doesn’t want a who gets all super gushy romantic and starts planning the wedding.

        Don’t make her question her decision by acting super aloof and uncharming.

        Just tell her “tomorrow it is. I know just the right bar”, find a fun bar or whatever where you can get touchy-feely fast, have a drink and take her home. Don’t second guess yourself. you can be playful and tell her “you better wear something sexy.” then she knows it’s on.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:30 pm darkhorse

        congrats, btw. you showed confidence and humor, and offered a way to engage with you and build rapport. very different than a “fuck that bitch, she gets radio silence until she comes crawling back to me.” you didn’t have that kind of leverage. that attitude would work if she was really acting up and did , something fucked up, but she didn’t. you are trying to sleep with her again. shutting off communication and aloofness would just move your interactions out of “sex” zone and into the weird “sexless gameplaying/mindufucking” zone. nice job.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 10:20 pm darkhorse

        also, worst thing you can do in person is be aloof. gotta look her in the eyes, give her a peck on the lips immediately when you see her. “hey, you look hot”…direct. you already banged. this is date #2. be confident about the two of you together. be aloof as hell after you’ve banged her a bunch and she’s trying to pin you down to be her one and only, but not on date #2. she isn’t sold 100% on you yet.

        when you get any of these texts, with their associated emotions, you’ll have achieved hand…

        “what are you doing Friday?” (loneliness)
        “I’m gonna make you cum faster next time” (lust)
        “I like you, I’m worried we slept together too fast” (regret)

        you can amp up aloofness after this, and be more gruff with the language, a la “I don’t bang chicks on Sundays”, once you start receiving texts like the ones above.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 10:41 pm darkhorse

        aloofness explained….

        don’t set up a challenge for her to fuck you. set up a challenge for her to pin you down into a monogamous relationship after you’ve fucked her. the former is annoying and unnatural. women have options. the latter is emotional catnip. It’s how women naturally chase men.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 12:22 am Heywood Jablome

        Solid advice.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:31 pm darkhorse

        I have previous comments getting moderated, but she’s most likely DTF. you just have to get logistics right and get her a little excited without being scary or pushy.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:41 am FamilyMan

        nice.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm Scray

      I just banged an HB8 on Fri night after the second date.
      ….
      She’s younger (23) and hotter than my other leads

      Two huge clues.

      “Me: come to my place on wed or thurs night and bring the movies
      Her: cant, working
      Me: out with friends on fri and sat nights, join me
      Her: cant, working
      Her: you keep picking every night shift I have”

      If she gives you an excuse like ‘working,’ just cut to the chase and ask when she’s free. If she tells you when, she’s actually working or whatever. If she says some bullshit like ‘I’ll let you know,’ you’re in trouble.

      For whatever reason, you’ve fucked her but your value isn’t skyhigh — not if she’s texting you two-word shit like ‘can’t,working.’ (lolwtf). You’re not in a place for 1-8, bray.

      So stop with the demands. Pad them with a little finesse — y’know, small-talk that’s fun. Try a little ‘saw your evil twin,’ try talking about her day a little bit. try flirting, etc. Then, get her going a little and in a better mood…then push it toward the meetup.

      Asshole game/laconic game will indeed work, but it will only work when you’ve got your hooks in. You don’t have them in yet.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:12 pm darkhorse

        truth.

        “You’re not in a place for 1-8, bray…So stop with the demands.

        A lot of people on this board think they can type “8====>” into their phones an a woman will magically appear on their cock. Game isn’t vudu. You can’t text some aloof words like magic spells into a phone at any moment and expect to be showered in pussy. You must be self-aware and always respect context. These bits of game have a time and a place. But when they are used in the wrong time and place it’s disjointing and comes off as awkward. A sure way to lose pussy.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 9:24 pm immoralgables

        Yo, before I go on my hiatus I’m going to leave this here. HB7.5 (23 year old) I picked up off of daygame about 6-7 weeks back. We went on one date and the spark/vibe was very solid albeit she lives with her Dad and he kept on knowing when she would get home. Killed chances to venue change/escalate more.

        I tried to get her out again but to my surprise she flaked and then went unresponsive. Now the more this happens, the more attraction I lose for a chick so it’s either that I’m starting to get some standards for wanting to have girls that are into me or it’s some ego-protection going on. Either way I re-initiated about 2 weeks after she dropped off. It didn’t hurt that I just started seeing this HB7+ Israeli chick so yeah; I was able to start the convo in a better frame of mind.

        Part self-amusement/seeing how far I can go and part of it was me wanting to legit see the HB7.5 again.

        *Text Game: Reigniting a Lead Gone Stale *

        (Numbers at the end of the text represent how much time passed since the previous text)

        Me Hey Sarah you just popped into my head. You must be using some weird ninja magic on me, please cut it out –
        –
        Her Hahaha heyy , ugh I know I really gotta stop doing that. What’s up 2
        –
        Me I know you were a strange one ha. So simple question, heels or flats? 15
        –
        Her Hmm heels? 1
        –
        Me +1. Chocolate or strawberries? 1
        –
        Her What is this, chocolate of corse 1
        –
        Me Hmmm -1. Last question, hugs or kisses 5
        –
        Her -1 who doesn’t love chocolate. Hugs :”> [Blushing emoji] 0
        –
        Me Your answers say a lot about you. Doctor warned me to stay away from girls that are mean on the outside and nice on the inside tho 42
        –
        Her Your doctor what kind of doctor is that 7
        –
        Me My love doctor. Don’t tell me you don’t have one 5
        –
        Her Hahaha I am one 21
        –
        Me Hey can I ask u something 7
        –
        Her Yea sure your asking me a lot of questions today thought I might have to start charging you soon 1
        –
        Me So whatever happened to our 2nd date. Not gonna lie I was kinda looking forward to it 1
        –
        Me …welp, this is an awkward silence. Like, If you’ve been kidnapped I rly think I dropped the ball in letting the authorities kno in a timely fashion. Forgive, this is a new social situation for me 160
        –
        Her Hahahaha no sorry I was just hand washing the most obnoxious sweater ever 17
        –
        Her ! 1
        –
        Her It was so difficult 1
        –
        Her Okay but anyways, I will only go on a second date with you if you don’t call it a second date 0
        –
        Me You drive a hard bargain miss Sarah 1
        –
        Her Hahahaha I know! 0
        –
        Her Maybe Saturday because my car is stuck in the snow and I can’t do anything with out it except go to the city 0
        –
        Me Ok deal. Let’s meet Saturday around 7p, sounds good? 5
        –
        Her Wow okay where are we meeting 1
        –
        Me XXth and ZZ Ave, there will be a cute guy waiting for you in front of the Citibank 3
        –
        Her Alright sketch master what’s up with. The Citibank 1
        –
        Me Idk, it’s like right outside the subway station. We can meet there and walk to this cool lounge I wanted to show ya 8
        –
        Her Okay I think I know what your talkin about 1
        –
        Her Wait where are we going over there 1
        –
        Me This place called XYZ that’s nearby. And if you behave then my fave spot in W. Village after that 1
        –
        Her Okay sounds good. Goodnight ttyl I-) [Sleeping emoji] 21
        –
        Me Gnite 24

        Summary: So yeah, I could tell based on our past interactions that part of my job was to diffuse her concerns about the meetup. Can’t describe it but the more I just tried to make it seem like normal (giving time, cross-streets, venues) then the more it put her at ease.

        Ultimately, I did not bang, but I did get her out. Maybe my game was wrong or I was cooked from the get-go due to me chasing like I did (she did previously flake and go cold after all) but that’s OK. This was the first time I was really able to revive a lead gone stale for a girl of this caliber.

        I’ll be back bros. @ Dark-horse, you speak the truth here and thanks for showing an alternative to the aloof/minimal game which fucked me up for a while when I viewed it as the Bible.

        -IG

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:10 am darkhorse

        Hey dude. Much credit due to YaReally, actually. Aloof game is when you have her hooked. You can’t land a girl you picked up and are trying to fuck by sending her aloof texts. Comes off as the insecure boy who needs to “test the waters” before jumping in would say.

        What you posted is very friendzone banter FYI. Just calling it as it is, not trying to dis. Honestly, if she’s down to meet, I’d just text her that you have to cancel. You have no leverage in this interaction, she’s already flaked. Cutting it off here may make her think hmmmm, this guy isn’t as into me as I thought, and it might spark some attraction. You’ll find out if you cancel the date, and she pings you back later trying “just to say hi”.

        Here are some rules about flakes.

        1) If a girl flakes, don’t re-initiate. Watching a guy re-initiate a flake is like watching a puppy dog trying to hang around its master begging for a treat.

        2) Don’t call her out on the flake if she’s not pinging you back. You have no leverage. She walked away from you. Calling her out makes you look pathetic.

        3) Call her out IF she pings you back. And if she is an attention whore, it’s very likely that she will ping you back. A lot of time this happens when she’s feeling lonely and trying to feel better by interacting with you. This is the time to call her out on bullshit. It’s the only opportunity you have to raise your profile with a flake. But you ONLY have this leverage if she’;s reaching out to you. So like, after a month or so, a flake might say “hey”. Immediately go into, “Excuses me, didn’t you you flake on me lol? I hate that shit.” She’ll probably text barf a bunch of shit excuses. Just follow up with “That behavior isn’t cool. I don’t go for it.” Let her chirp out some text barfs again. A week later you can re-initiate, your profile will be higher in her eyes because you showed self-respect.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:01 pm darkhorse

        also, note how you have an interaction going, you’re a fun guy to talk with, the intelligence is there…but there’s no sexuality woven into your discussion. like, why are you meeting up, is the premise for you to interview with her until she finds you cool enough to allow you to put your penis in her? or is the premise known beforehand that the two of you are meeting up to engage in a sexual relationship?

        Think about it if it were drugs rather than sex. (Sex and drugs are both things that people don’t like talking openly about, but you have to both know that the other person is down if you’re going to do it together.) Would you meet up with a friend and hope that that friend is gonna do a line with you when you break our some coke? No, you’d qualify it ahead of time. So your job is to set up a shared experience that you both buy into ahead of time, rather than surprising your partner who may or may not go for the drugs if you spring it on them last moment. And you qualify if they’re down for the drugs through fun suggestive, intelligent means. And you don’t push it on them. Same with sex.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm immoralgables

        As always, thank you. This is something I’m going to work on as I do my mansformation over the next few months.

        I’ll be back. Best of luck to you Darkhorse.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm Grim

      Take her to a nice dinner like a real man. Asshole.

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      • on January 27, 2014 at 8:12 pm Scray

        lol

        …
        ..
        …
        ..
        …
        …
        .

        wut

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:07 am Grim

        An HB8 who fucked him on the 2nd date deserves some nice treatment. She knew her role and was cool. Dude. He’s being a dick and will lose her if he persists. HB8s are LTR territory and she probably knows it. There is a line of guys lined up who are just as good as this dick who will fuck her just as good and also be a little bit nice to her. It *is* okay to take a girl to dinner sometimes “bray.” It’s actually kind of boring and average brained. He could also invite her to something cool like indoor rock climbing, go to the gym together, take a guitar lesson together, etc.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:54 am Scray

        I don’t disagree with him “not being a dick.” I just disagree with him being a dick because he clearly doesn’t have the value to pull it off — which is actually pretty weird considering he already fucked her.

        And IN THIS SPECIFIC situ, him being nice could work (better than what he’s doing)….so ya, offering dinner or something could work. That’s just setting him up to be a provider tho….so if he wants NSA or FWB that’s just getting her mind in a different place from where it needs to be.

        And ya, he COULD do all of that….I mean, but again, all of that stuff sets him up as a provider and sets him up as a partner. If he wants an LTR with her…hey, more power to him. If not, I’m not sure.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:29 pm Amy

        Well, she deserves what she settles for. She can take responsibility for herself. She doesn’t have to accept his choice for the third “date” if she doesn’t like it. For example, what I would be thinking here is that this guy is trying to move me into a FWB/FB situation. Since I don’t want to be moved there, I wouldn’t go to this guy’s place on the third date. I’d make him go somewhere with me. He has to invest some time in me. If he doesn’t want to, fine, we won’t see each other again.

        You can’t blame him for wanting the easy thing– just having her over to have sex. From his perspective, he doesn’t even know yet if she wants to see him again. He also has no idea if she even wants a relationship… some girls want the NSA thing.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 7:31 am walawala

      @Anonymous

      The point of game is to bang chicks. You already banged this one.

      You’re getting oneitis. You suggested a meet up, she blew you off.

      Leave it.

      One of my mistakes which I’m now becoming more self-aware of is when a girl isn’t giving off any more IOI’s how can I “reignite”.

      Abundance.

      I cannot stress this enough. The more you seem like you’re chasing her the more it’s going to make you look lame and weak.

      You didn’t do anything wrong. You reached out twice…..ok. Leave it.

      There’s no magic text you can send. She has to respond.

      Anything beyond what you’re already done is going to look try-hard.

      I’ve been in this situation. Sit it out and they always come back, then you can re-initiate contact and take it from there based around how this goes.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 8:29 am Grim

        Or she’s just a good girl who followed feminist indoctrination to fuck on the 2nd date but would be good LTR material. The dude clearly thinks she’s hot. Would it be so bad to have a brain bigger than the size of a lizard and ask her to do something fun like go rock climbing or something instead of “come to my couch so I can fuck you again bring da movies”?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:31 am BuenaVista

        I agree with this (oneitis risk alert). You asked her twice and she’s not helping at all by suggesting when she *is* available. Personally, if I ask someone out and get a mild, laconic, or opaque excuse — with no alternative presented — I assume the information there is that she has little to no interest. So I go dark, and usually they circle back with a constructive opening.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:18 am darkhorse

        of course she’s mild. he asked her out in a lame way. he basically said “give me pussy, you choose wed or thur”. she said no. he came back lame. “give me pussy, you choose, fri or sat.” he made no attempts to engage her. she ended the conversation with a justification for her absence, which is a sign that she’s not trying to be aloof to brush him off. she’s doing it because she looks like a whore engaging with a man who who says “give me pussy”, and she’s not at that level of intimacy with him yet.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:31 am darkhorse

        Padawan…she didn’t blow you off. You came at her like a brute with your uncharming and uncalibrated “give me pussy” order. She’s a high value chick. Do you really think after you say “give me pussy, you choose Wed or Thur”, she’s going to say, “Ya Daddy, can’t wait to spread my legs for you again!”?…sounds like you don’t have that level of intimacy yet to get there.

        Like, I banged a chick last month and the vibe is so sexual between us that when I text her normal shit she comes sluts it over text (how was your week babe / long and hard like your dick, darkhorse)…but STILL, I’m not going to drop a boring ass command for her to come over. We haven’t fucked enough. It’s not fun or playful enough.

        Your girl took the time to justify her reasons why she couldn’t meet (you’re always picking the nights I”m working!) AND told you when she was available after you dropped some charm (the hit on her boss). You’re clear for fucking her again sir, just be confident, meet her at a fun bar, give her a big hug when she arrives tel, her she looks sexy as hell, give her a peck on the lips like she’s already your girlfriend,..but don’t fuck it up by commanding in three words or less to come over to your place.

        As much as I love Wala’s posts, it’s my opinion that he’s been going through personal oneitis and is projecting his fears on your case.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 11:50 am Grim

        This. This dude. I’m proud of my learning to be in agreement here. She’s high value. THis comment is agreeing wiht mine above.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm darkhorse

        @Grim I personally wouldn’t ask her to rock climbing. she’s not gushing over him. she doesn’t need to be treated poorly with terse commands (come over friday). that might make Padawan feel good, until he loses her for not strengthening his connection with her. But taking her out on a highfalutin dinner date or rock climbing runs the risk of coming off as try hard beta. drinks at a bar is much safer. it’s HER job to pressure him for activities like rock climbing and dinner. show that he enjoys the company but isn’t beholden to it.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 7:58 pm Grim

        it sucks that being “tryhard beta” is a bad thing even if the guy is genuinely full of confidence and always offers fun. but I have learned, finally, that you are right. Like, I like to do fun stuff. I’m awesome. I never watch TV. I like doing it with pretty girls next to me. Like stuff like rock climbing, taking a week day off of work and going to the beach (I can do that), but if I invite a girl to do something cool like go to the gym or whatever, she automatically sees that as beta tryhard. It’s like, dude, I do stuff, I don’t watch TV, would be cool if a pretty girl wanted to come too….nope, it does not work. Even Amy is defending this wannabe PUA asshole from the post above who tells an HB8 “come to my couch bring da moviesz” 3 times in a row when she clearly just wants him to be a little bit cool and invite her to do something, in which case she’d come back to his couch after the fun activity is accomplished.

        but no, it’s “bring da movieziisz” for da alpha ashozlizshos

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 8:00 am darkhorse

        Grim, there isn’t good or bad…there’s what is effective and what isn’t effective toward reaching a particular outcome. It sounds like you have a lot of judgement tied to the idea of sex (this is “good”, that’s “bad”). That sex without some form of ceremonial “paired activity” courtship is bad, that sex with it is good and proper.

        You’re also judging Padawan as an asshole. We know nothing about him, only that his intentions were to have sex with his “HB8” again in the most effective way possible. He wasn’t trying to force her to do anything against her will, he wasn’t trying to trick her, he wasn’t trying to make her look bad, he sincerely just wanted to have consensual sex with her again. Nothing indicates that he was an asshole toward her. In fact, he had to be more charming and fun to get the lay.

        On a side note, personally I think doing things together with a woman minimizes gender differences in a heterosexual relationship and can at times diminish attraction. “Activities” are things I do with friends, sex and romantic relationships are things I do with women. That’s my personal opinion. My experience tells me no to do so many shared non-sexual non-romantic non-intimate activities. No rock climbing trips together, no shared yoga classes, no shared cooking classes, etc.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 1:14 pm Grim

        You seem very wise. I need to be like you and YaReally.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 9:14 am Amy

        Whoa Grim… personally, at this point I *would* want the guy to ask me to do something fun in the daytime. I would not think it was beta at all, assuming the guy isn’t fawning all over me. At this point (after first time sex) I’m on high alert for signs he just wants me for sex, so wanting to meet up at the gym or go on a short hike or something is awesome.

        But not all women are exactly like this. Some want more casual arrangements and might think you’re moving a little fast into relationship-like activities. So you’re much better off starting with asking her to drinks or something casual at this point. It covers all the bases.

        If I’d gotten this series of texts from this guy, I would be on very high alert that he wanted a FB so I would really be making him spend a lot of public time with me. I’m not defending his strategy per se, I’m just saying I probably wouldn’t reject him out of hand. I would just be more cautious.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:48 pm Thaddeus

        Appreciate the advice you’re giving out darkhorse, problem is that a lot of recovering betas, like me, used to be too try-hard in their texting. Therefore it’s easier for us to be more aloof–we appear less eager and invested in the interaction. I used to do all this “creative” shit all the time; turned out I was investing more and getting less.

        It became easier to use texting as a simple means to get her out, then turn my charm on her in person.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:22 pm padawan125

        Dude, darkhorse- you rock man heh. Guess who just left my place?

        I can’t believe all of the comments that I received. I think darkhorse has it right though. I’ve probably been too aloof too early on in many of the recent girls I’ve seen. And that doesn’t quite lead to attraction. I like darkhorse’s suggestion of being charming, fun-loving, and sexualizing the interaction without coming across as pushy.

        When I woke up this morning I read all of darkhorse’s comments, used his suggestions, and turned things around with my HB8. It worked out so well, we even skipped the whole bar and she came straight to my place for drinks.

        It’s so crazy when simple and effective game works.

        Thanks again darkhorse.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 12:35 am Heywood Jablome

        Bravo.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 8:08 am darkhorse

        Hey that’s great. Hope the sex was good ha. As things become more intimate between the two of you and she starts opening up, then it’s time to turn down the charm. Charm is an imperfect substitute for trust, which you won’t fully have at the onset of things.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm padawan125

        The sex was great- she was very submissive. I feel like I owe you a few drinks!

        Since your text advice was so spot-on, I was wondering if you could help me out with my online game with a 22yo blonde? Btw, I’m 34.

        …my opening line, she responded and then promptly put up a new cover pic (she previously had three pics where her face was obscured by random things)…

        ME: did you put up that new pic for me? i was about to ask for a pic where your face wasn’t hidden by a fake mustache or a drugged dog
        HER: The last one wasn’t hidden. Haha she totally looks drugged. My poor dog. She’s a trooper
        HER: The mustache is real :/
        ME: Ehhh, I know some good treatments for unwanted facial hair…
        You’re definitely aesthetically interesting, but be honest, you’re not a natural blonde are you?
        HER: Not that blonde. I spend a lot of time…blah blah (not important- but a long explanation followed). I’ve never been told I’m aesthetically interesting that’s a new one.
        ME: I’m sure all the young boys love the blonde look…
        but based on your profile and the way you stand in the new pic you seem older and more mature
        oh who am i kidding? you’re just a kid! you still on team edward?
        HER: Yep, I’m a baby. Are you trying to make fun of me?
        HER: Are you like a body language guru? I’m more of a Bourne identity type of team.
        HER: You still on team Betty White?

        Is my game here any good? I’m trying to keep it playful. Btw, her last three messages were spread out over a period of 2 hours- like she couldn’t get my response out of her mind. I take that to mean that I got her attention in a good way. Her last three messages were the first ones where she is asking me a question, instead of me leading the conversation. IOI?

        I’m thinking of agree and amplify here, but I’m not sure how to number close at this point…

        ME: Yes I’m on Team Betty White! She’s the sweetest woman in the world, I’ve always wanted to meet her.
        You seem like a cool girl, but I hate messaging on here. Plus, it’s all about face to face chemistry. Let’s get a drink to see if we get along. (Or: Let’s get a drink to see if you can keep up with me in person)

        Am I on the right track? Or was my previous game bad and I really have no shot at her now?

        I appreciate the help!

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 11:54 pm darkhorse

        I’m not an online guy, but I dipped into it twice with two different strategies. First was a couple years back, dropped standard banter like yours. I think a lot of the online game is connected to whether or not your picture and profile fit an idealized image of a “boy” a girl want to marry. I’m a good looking guy but not what most girls would picture as their prince charming, so in the online world that hurts me when I “virtually” approach the hot girls that I would normally approach were I in a club setting. I rarely see girls I would approach in real life on these sites, and if I do, I’m sure every guy is hitting their inbox, and probably the same way.

        So anyway, I’ve tried the technique you seem to be applying in the example you posted. It’s basic back and forth with a little playfulness, zero sexuality. Went out on three dates with legit attractive girls (stripper, signed entertainer, makeup artist)…but realized that there was zero “good” game applied to these interactions with these girls…like I didn’t set the tone that if we met up there was a good chance we were fucking. So if you don’t set that up, it’s a “let’s see what this guy is about” scenario, and you’re already playing defense. It also took a fucklong time to go back and forth and then set up the “dates” over text, because texts that lack a hint of sex of fucking boring.

        The other strategy is to inject sexual escalation into the messaging. You can see that strategy, visible word for word, here.

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/gaming-attention-whores/#comment-518323

        These girls were of slightly lesser quality, let’s call them 7s, but they were OK with my being overtly sexual to them. And they coughed up the numbers immediately when asked. BTW, I didn’t end up calling them, it was just practice.

        The point is if you are able to sustain a bit of sexualized conversation with a girl over an online dating site you WILL have a higher percentage conversion rate when you ask for her number. And it’s qualified that she’s more willing to be physically sexual with you. So putting two and two together, I’m guessing these girls will be way more interested in meeting you if you can sexualize and get the digits.

        The caveat is it’s a thin line you’re treading and you have to take your time escalating. You can’t start off the conversation saying “I want to bang you and cum on your face”. There are actual sexual deviants doing that online and women are screening that out immediately. You have to demonstrate that you are safe and fun through humor and intelligence first.

        That said, I’m not really sure what your objective was with your back and forth with the girl. It seems like an example of sideways banter where the male tries to keep the ball rolling until he feels confident enough to ask the female out before she loses interest in the conversation. I don’t really consider that tight game, FWIW. You have to DIRECT the conversation to some sexual topic safely, most easily accomplished through intelligence and wit.

        You also tend to put her down a lot. I don’t think you need to do it. From my perspective you can dish it out if she’s shitting on you (defend yourself at all times!), but there’s no need to when you’re approaching HER. In fact, it’s just not congruent, you’re clearly chasing her. See how I compliment the girls without supplicating.

        Def check out the YaReally archive because he is the godfather and frames things really well, and you also might study that dialogue in the link I posted too since it’s a different voice than his.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 12:07 am darkhorse

        The other thing is, while I don’t think your game was particularly solid there, it doesn’t really matter because it seems clear to me that she likes you. She’s pinging back that much in a single day? Typically a guy has to wait 23 hours to get a reply on an online dating site. A girl that doesn’t like you won’t ping you back. A girl that is uncertain will ping back a couple times and then fade.

        So it appears that she’s into you. If you keep going sideways you could become the boring guy that takes the conversation nowhere and appears insecure because he’s looking for a sign that she’s ready to go out. It’s the dude’s responsibility to ask the girl out that he’s approaching.

        So just say hey, “send you’re number, let’s text instead of playing email tag”. Chances are she’ll say yes. She’s not going to say, sorry, your game was mediocre if she likes you, as it appears she does.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 12:08 am darkhorse

        @padawan

        long-ass comment is stuck in moderation, so hold tight

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 12:18 am darkhorse

        …and a final point. the positive thing about your back and forth is that you’ve established a base of rapport off of which to escalate. she at least has some level of comfort with you, so it makes it easier to steer the interaction towards sex if she’s open to it. just don’t look like a predator by pivoting to insta-horndog brute on a dime.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:27 am padawan125

        Not all of that was in one day. I login for 15 minutes a day- write to whoever I’m messaging, and then logout. That interaction was 1 message from me per day, she’s been pinging me 1-2 times a day, and then yesterday those last three comments. So the interaction has been going for 4 days now.

        And yes, I’m afraid if I just keep going with back and forth it becomes less likely she gives me her number.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 7:23 am darkhorse

        Hey I take back a lot of what I said regarding where you stand with this online chick. Didn’t read so closely. (That’s what happens when I read posts at 2am lol.)

        Like I said earlier, you insulted her. No reason for it. All those insults led to this…

        HER: You still on team Betty White?

        She’s feeling defensive here. Now that I see that, I’m guessing she is a lost cause. Keep things positive, not negative. Insult only in self-defense if she is testing whether or not you have self respect. I think she probably had interest in you, but you weren’t playful and sexual and witty, you were insulting.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 7:26 am darkhorse

        full analysis is still stuck in moderation. it contains a link so guessing that’s why it”s trapped. but revising my opinion from “weak game, good chance” to “weak game, little chance”.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 7:36 am padawan125

        I’ll read your full comment as soon as it clears moderation. So you think I’m more insulting than teasing? I was going for playful teasing and disqualifying. I try to go for teasing since it’s so hard to get responses back from girls online with the usual “you’re beautiful, I would like to get know you” crap that betas use (although I’m sure i’m still beta as well)

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:05 am darkhorse

        ME: did you put up that new pic for me? i was about to ask for a pic where your face wasn’t hidden by a fake mustache or a drugged dog (contains insult right off the bat. you’re approaching HER. it’s not that witty either)
        HER: The last one wasn’t hidden. Haha she totally looks drugged. My poor dog. She’s a trooper
        HER: The mustache is real :/ (She’s showing interest by responding here, also trying to connect with your humor.)
        ME: Ehhh, I know some good treatments for unwanted facial hair…
        You’re definitely aesthetically interesting, but be honest, you’re not a natural blonde are you? Telegraphing the neg. It doesn’t make sense in context either. The fact that you’re reaching out to her and saying she”s kind of pretty are irreconcilable. She can sniff out that you’re up to something and you’re going to make her defensive from this point on. You want to be funny without insulting her and try to take things down a sexual path. A better line would have been, “I’ve never been with a girl with a mustache before, but I like everything else I see and if you catch me on a good day, I’m open to trying new things lol.”)
        HER: Not that blonde. I spend a lot of time…blah blah (not important- but a long explanation followed). I’ve never been told I’m aesthetically interesting that’s a new one. (See, immediately she is suspicious.)
        ME: I’m sure all the young boys love the blonde look…
        but based on your profile and the way you stand in the new pic you seem older and more mature
        oh who am i kidding? you’re just a kid! you still on team edward? (You’re hammering at this girl with insults, lol. There’s no need.)
        HER: Yep, I’m a baby. Are you trying to make fun of me? (She’s really defensive now and suspicious It’s actually a last ditch effort by her to say, boy, you better have some game now.)
        HER: Are you like a body language guru? I’m more of a Bourne identity type of team.
        HER: You still on team Betty White? (Now she’s shitting on you.)

        The best tactic to turn things around would be to say something like “Lol, fuck, Betty is my girl! And yes, I was totally making fun of you. Insightful. My dating instructor said it was a cheaper way to get in your pants than all the rohypnol I’ve been spending my money on lol.”

        (by responding like that you’re giving her a +1 for her sense of humor, instead of insulting, and showing you can do better than she can humor-wise which gives you value. And you’re taking things sexual.)

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:12 am darkhorse

        Disqualify a girl you’re approaching is a super-low probability play.

        Especially on an online dating site where girls are waiting for their romeos.

        Think about it. You’re starting from what’s likely a base of ZERO attraction for you and then you’re telegraphing that she can’t have you. Girls is then thinking, “Ok, thanks bud, but why are you approaching me then?”

        Disqualifying an appropriate move to spike attraction if she has high attraction, like if SHE is approaching YOU…and you pull it off right.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:55 am darkhorse

        I misread the mustache bit as an insult. I guess she had pic of a mustache, so you’re not insulting off the bat. To me the “aesthetically interesting”, “you’re not a natural blonde”, “you’re a kid” and “team edward” remarks are all transparent insults designed to show her you’re not entirely buying into her. a better frame is that you ARE into her, but you’re not going to care if she rejects you or not because you’re not taking this online dating stuff too seriously and you’re just having fun with life so you’re not going to get pinned down. If you want to disqualify, it has to be dropped in the middle of rapport, and I prefer using a compliment. Example: “You are pretty hot, that definitely gets me going. I’m just still making up my mind if I can be with a girl who shamelessly puts wears a fake mustache in her picture lol. My mother warned me about girls like you.” That’s a smooth disqualifier. Needs to be delivered over some sort of rapport.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:24 am darkhorse

        even though the constant insults weren’t solid in my opinion, DO NOT apologize for it…you can make fun of it, and even point attention to it, but apologizing for it will make you look like you’re trying to switch up your personality for her, and that’s not attractive.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:54 am Trance Syndicate

        Exactly. Congruence.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 9:55 am padawan125

        Thanks for the help darkhorse and trance. I read your comments and they seem so obviously, like duh, hah. It’s humbling- I’m definitely still learning. I’m going to give your suggestions a try tonight and I’ll keep you updated with the 22yo.

        It’s definitely different reading about game, and then trying to use it and getting useful feedback. So thanks again!

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 10:02 am darkhorse

        cool. looks like the analysis is about to get released.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 10:20 am darkhorse

        it’s up

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/top-5-signs-that-a-woman-is-using-you/#comment-524531

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 12:16 pm padawan125

        Dude darkhorse- you rock (part 2)…heh
        busy at work but will let you know how I responded and then her positive response hah

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:50 pm padawan125

        I went with:
        ME: Lol! Betty’s my girl! I love her!
        And yes, I was teasing you. My dating instructor (my grandma), told me it’s ok to tease girls that I find cute.
        ME: You know, I’ve never been with a girl who has a mustache before. But I’m open to trying new things lol. Let’s stop playing email tag and let’s get a drink sometime soon.
        HER (1 hour later): Awww gram. Everyone says the mustache brings out my eyes. Let me know when.
        HER: (3 hours later): [offers her phone number]

        Superbowl is on Sunday. And friday night/saturday night are essentially already here. Not sure whether I go for an early friday/saturday night drink (“I have a birthday party to go to that night” line so she knows we won’t be out all night) or I wait until next week.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 2:09 pm Trance Syndicate

        Super Bowl parties are the best padwan. I have three girls lined up for one lolz. I hope there’s a bomb threat MORE DRAMA!

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 2:10 pm Trance Syndicate

        Dating instructor (grandma) HAaaa! Stealing that!!

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 8:50 am Trance Syndicate

        Once she’s in compliance you can ramp up the rapport/comfort, but there is an element of charming asshole she sees in you that she is attracted to.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:02 am Ryan Vann

      Night shift? I’ll just meet you at the gentlemen’s club then.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 11:06 am Glengarry

      “Her: you keep picking every night shift I have”

      Me: It’s a gift.

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  28. on January 27, 2014 at 6:06 pm Anonymous

    Top 5 signs that a woman is using you:

    1. She’s a woman
    2. She’s a woman
    3. She’s a woman
    4. She’s a woman
    5. She’s a woman

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 8:43 pm Hypergamy Hamster

      1. This.
      2. This.
      3. This.
      4. This.
      5. and This.

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  29. on January 27, 2014 at 7:15 pm Keen

    What if you confessed and already got friendzoned? Would trying to turn it around with something like “I guess we wouldn’t work out after all” work?

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 9:21 pm Keen

      Anyone?

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 9:58 pm Tilikum

      no. move on.

      i like starbucks for fresh meat.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:02 am ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

      there was attraction there, but one night i said to this chick friend of mine – “we’d date like 3-6 months and have the best sex ever, but we’d never work out”

      then months later, only due to logistics, took her down

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 10:44 am Master Beta

      Your only options are:

      1) Bravely save her life at great personal risk to yourself.
      2) Beat up her rapist as he’s half way through raping her.
      3) Rape her yourself (doesn’t work on all women, only some).
      4) Move on, find other women, don’t be friends with her (you have enough friends already).

      I don’t recommend 1 or 3, you’re unlikely to find an opportunity for 2, so I’d say go with 4.

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  30. on January 27, 2014 at 7:37 pm Libertardian

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-man-who-slipped-ex-girlfriend-abortion-pill-sentenced-to-almost-14

    “The man who tricked his ex-girlfriend into taking an abortion-inducing drug has been sentenced to nearly 14 years in prison.

    …

    Welden signed a plea bargain in September to avoid life in prison for violating the 2004 Unborn Victims of Violence Act.”

    Savor the irony.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 11:16 am Glengarry

      So, we can conclude that killing a clump of cells is … wrong? right? Is this one of those sort of situations where a man can not give a correct answer? In any case, progressive justice was served, I’m sure.

      Btw, from the sidebar of that article: “Notre Dame prof calls on Pope Francis to approve some abortions”

      And here I thought Notre Dame was a catholic university? Gosh how things change.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:10 pm FamilyMan

      He confessed to spare his girlfriend’s feelings of guilt or whatever over losing the baby.

      Confessing is not a good way to stay out of jail.

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  31. on January 27, 2014 at 7:43 pm Gil

    When being an omega trumps being a beta – women don’t hang around omegas, period.

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  32. on January 27, 2014 at 8:03 pm whorefinder

    Heartiste, I can pretend that perhaps that this post was inspired by a recent one of mine, O Dark Lord(s).

    Rape!

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  33. on January 27, 2014 at 8:09 pm whorefinder

    Friend zone is like sex with a tranny: no matter how hard up you are, and no matter how close you think it looks to the real thing, be like Nancy Reagan:

    JUST. SAY. NO.!

    We know thwack has failed in this regard, given the percentage of black molestation and black “down low” behavior. But we can all learn from his sad example.

    Rape!

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  34. on January 27, 2014 at 8:22 pm YoungBlazer

    If you can’t get in her pants, then make her a wing-woman (assuming she is somewhat attractive). If she is “using” him for drinks/attention/entertainment, then he should “use” her back by going out with her to places where there are plenty of other cute girls to talk to. The social proof he gets from hanging with a hot chick within view of potential targets is worth spending a few bucks in drinks.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm Tilikum

      decent looking girls (6+) don’t wing. they don’t have to.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:54 am YoungBlazer

        If the guy is buying her drinks/paying her way, she will probably perform some wing-woman duties if the guy asks her to.

        But even if she doesn’t, simply being in her presence in a public place is social proof and enough to leverage attraction from other girls.

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 6:53 pm Tilikum

        sigh. 😦

        youarefuckingretarded

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm YoungBlazer

        no u

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  35. on January 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm Mr.C

    It’s not a matter of whether a woman is lying to you but how much she is lying to you.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm Tilikum

      hehe

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  36. on January 27, 2014 at 9:22 pm box

    autist uses mathematical genius to develop ultimate algorithm for hunting whales on OKC, develops no self-confidence along the way

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/01/how-to-hack-okcupid

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 12:50 am Libertardian

      After all that excitement, deriving the formula for divorce court assrape damage will be a letdown. You’d need to factor in the evil quotient of her lawyer, the misandry quotient of the judge, the lotsas cockass her anus hath desouled before you met her…eh, let’s just use the Monte Carlo method. Pick a random number from 50 to 120% (in case you get hit with that “imputed income” scam).

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  37. on January 27, 2014 at 11:10 pm Marky Mark

    It’s good to have some decent looking female friends… especially ones who go out a lot, know a lot of people, but would be too much of a pain in the ass to date… They offer good social proof and introduce you to a lot of people… some times you get more pussy in the long run by not banging a particular girl.

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    • on January 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm Mr.C

      Yes, no more than say 2 – 3 of them and provided that you aren’t interested in fucking them and even then, you choose their company sparingly and astutely (mininal dollar expenditure on drinks and so on).
      It also gives you the chance to see their hamster spinning hypergamous behaviour up close and the rationalisations that women are capable of creating to justify their behaviour.

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  38. on January 28, 2014 at 12:22 am Warrior_Savant

    “Remember the First Rule of Fuck Club: Fuck first, favors later. Sex can always be followed by favors, if you wish. But favors are rarely followed by sex. Get your priorities straight.”

    Amen.

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  39. on January 28, 2014 at 1:27 am Patrice

    I know a single mom that gets her boyfriend to chip in with the rent and other expenses. Fun part is she wants to dump him. Her reason for not going through with the breakup, which I secretly overheard?

    “I don’t want to be alone”.

    This was more than a year ago.

    He babysits her bastard child, take orders, and even gave her a commitment ring, which she wears “with pride”. If you looked at him you wouldn’t mistake him for a sucker, he’s a muscular hard-looking Eastern European, but beta’s gonna beta I guess.

    It’s shocking how much of a taker she is. It’s all about her, her, her, and her bastard spawn, which she always tries shoving down my throat.

    Anyone within an ear-shot would know that this bitch is trying to upsell me a beta provider relationship. She even invited me to go on a trip with her to the Bahamas, which is weird since we’ve never been on a date.

    Within the same conversation, she sprinkled in the idea that she plans on “getting pregnant” later this year with her boyfriend, which is bullshit since she’s poor, wants to dump him, and has inadvertently mentioned the shittiness of being a single mother in the past.

    In so few words, this cunt wants me to knock her up so I can pay her child support. Fuck her and fuck other women like her.

    Take some responsibility for once instead begging for beta-male-bail-outs.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 3:37 am Hugh G. Rection

      Why exactly do you keep in touch with her?

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:10 am ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

        yeah sounds like some sort of bungie slut

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 6:55 pm Tilikum

      women and superior men take. just is.

      love it, or leave it alone.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 7:07 pm Theodore Logan

      So just fuck that whore’s face and make her swallow. Win – win.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:46 pm FamilyMan

      Her being poor and needing money for existing child is completely consistent with getting knocked up, either by you or existing provider bf.

      Help a bro out and have a chat with bf — if you want to do a good deed. Tell him that she invited you to the Bahamas but you turned her down.

      I bet she never invited him to the Bahamas. He’s needed here to keep providing.

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  40. on January 28, 2014 at 2:19 am Tammi

    At this time I am going to do my breakfast, after having my breakfast coming yet again to read more news.

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  41. on January 28, 2014 at 2:33 am Top 5 Signs That A Woman Is Using You | Truth a...

    […] If a woman you know isn’t having sex with you, it pays to be cognizant of signs that she’s using you for emotional or material support. You may not want to be used in this manner, so knowing her intention is half the battle.  […]

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  42. on January 28, 2014 at 3:16 am ethan

    OT: Good example of the modern, ‘soft’ polygamy: http://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/comments/1w9t9w/update_hello_and_how_do_we_get_started/ For younger, less alpha men, none for you!

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  43. on January 28, 2014 at 3:34 am Corinne

    I every time spent my half an hour to read this website’s articles everyday along with a cup of coffee.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 10:21 am Matthew King

      It’s better with bourbon.

      (Isn’t everything?)

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 10:42 am Mob Barley

        vodka on ice

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      • on January 28, 2014 at 9:06 pm Matthew

        Rye, you modernist.

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  44. on January 28, 2014 at 5:42 am Art

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  45. on January 28, 2014 at 6:16 am riseofman

    Excellent poem.

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  46. on January 28, 2014 at 6:22 am Cedric

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  47. on January 28, 2014 at 7:25 am Anonymous

    Best manospere post today.

    Women revel in ruin

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  48. on January 28, 2014 at 8:50 am Montgomery Draxel (@MDraxel)

    Got some weird fucking bots spamming your shit.

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  49. on January 28, 2014 at 9:10 am walawala

    As I read through the comments and reflect on my own situation I think what’s missing or what would be a great follow up is “…and what to do about it”.

    A couple of interesting observations.

    I have “friendzoned” two girls I used to go out with after I dumped them.

    Now they cannot do enough for me: gifts every year at Christmas, birthdays etc. They always support me in whatever I’m doing.

    But when I was going out with them and there was beta backsliding it was a struggle.

    Another example—pre-game (5 years ago). I went out with a girl who was suddenly pulling away and giving me grief. I disappeared. She came back 4 months later, cried and cried, I told her her behavior was scaring me and told her never to contact me.

    A year later she re-ignites and we became ‘friends’. We went out as “friends” having dinner etc etc. It was easier to flirt with her and grab her ass because I was grabbing my “friend’s” ass. I didn’t know anything about game at that time so I was just horsing around. Now I can see that the dynamic wasn’t grabbing her ass when we went out…it was that I didn’t care what she thought of me so did whatever I felt like at any given moment that we were together. Even though we didn’t fuck after that it was always sexual.

    A short time after that I met up with her in her city and she made out and gave me a massage but stopped short of fucking me—got ASD or whatever. I never really wanted to go further so now we’re back to “friends”.

    So…yes this idea works—if you’re clear in your mind you don’t care.

    If you DO care about her in any way and by ‘care’ it means you want more from her, you care who she’s with etc etc…then you’re being manipulated.

    My now ex gf tried to “friendzone” me by reaching out, flirting etc. When I asked her outright what this was all about she said she wanted to be friends.

    I told her outright we couldn’t be friends and to fuck off.

    It felt great to tell her to fuck off. I forgot how regardless if that’s “butthurt”—man it feels good.

    One observation in my recent outreach to a few girls I’m gaming…all the push-pull, cocky-funny etc is great at sparking attraction but at some point you have to be honest and lay out what you want otherwise a girl will just think you’re a player and disappear.

    In the case of church girl I’m gaming she knows I want to bang her, that is clear. She asks questions like “What do you want in a relationship?” etc etc.

    In some cases I am clear: a relationship is about the time spent and takes the form of whatever the two people in it want at that time and it evolves.

    She then asked: “How do you see me?” “A koala bear” I responded.

    But I think this fear of ‘beta-backsliding’ is founded in a lack of boundaries and clarity. IF the girl is asking serious questions you have to show you’re real just enough to make it interesting for her to want to know more.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:54 pm FamilyMan

      Good examples of male-female friendships where the male has the upper hand. It’s actually pretty rare to have three such girls.

      And rejecting one where he would be in the inferior position.

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  50. on January 28, 2014 at 9:50 am The Burninator

    Interesting article, and from real life prior to marriage quite relevant.

    Would be interesting to see a similar article about post marriage relationships. Which may admittedly be beyond the scope CH is willing to address, but Game is every bit as important in marriage as out, perhaps even more so when you get down to it.

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  51. on January 28, 2014 at 9:58 am BuenaVista

    FWIW, when I examine the three or four friendzone experiences I’ve had in the past 10 years, there is a constant, understated oh-so-polite aggression from the woman that never goes away: she has to “win” the future interactions.

    This is true more frequently if I’m attempting to be friends’ with an ex-girlfriend, or ex-wife, of course (i.e., women carry resentment permanently, guys think of the good times and do a better job discharging the noisy emotions of a break-up). But in the one case where I allowed myself to be friendzoned after a brief affair that the woman ended, I still had to deal with this constant undertone of power-tripping aggression: she’d deliberately twist the knife from time to time, or make out with me as some sort of doggie treat in exchange for my listening to her sob story — and then demonstrate her power by pulling back. So I’ve stopped bothering with her (and her ilk), and she’ll have to get someone else to float her ego.

    My feeling is that there simply is no upside to trying to friendzone or being friendzoned. I might buy an ex- a Christmas gift, but if the ex- starts to flirt or suggest some casual interactions, I decline. Or I baldly escalate immediately and suggest a hotel rendezvous, essentially calling what I consider to be nothing but a bluff. No one has ever matched my call, though I think one woman is likely to if she doesn’t marry the guy she’s currently seeing, and it will be motel-notell time when she’s ready for some rebound action.

    It’s tricky if one has a professional relationship and must continue to interact in some fashion, for even on the professional plane there will be this undercurrent of anger that pops up when certain subjects are broached. (A woman whom I almost married remains my editor, and she’s a powerful and helpful one, so I need to maintain the professional and ‘friendly’ interactions.) Rapp’s benign view of male friends is one I’ve never experienced, even in the instances where the woman decides, “Hey let’s be friends but have no-strings from time to time.” It’s just not worth it; women are too frequently angry when they can’t control the terms of male engagement. This was one of the hardest lessons of the red pill, for me, but it’s demonstrated in every romcom: when the couple gets together, the woman is, once again, dictating terms (cf. Julia Roberts in Notting Hill).

    Walk away. The world is a rich place. We don’t have to suffer these manipulations just because our moms told us to ‘just be nice.’ A respectful, formal distance is as close as I’m going to be with any romantic interest, post-tryst. They resent this too, btw, because they want to set the boundaries, not allow me to set my own.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 9:58 pm FamilyMan

      Are any of these women whom you dumped? My hypthesis is that those could have been good friendships for you, unless she had the presence of mind to refuse contact.

      If she dumped you, yes the power balance will be wrong.

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      • on January 29, 2014 at 5:00 am BuenaVista

        I broke up with all but one. In the exception case, where I was dumped, her program then became the most concerted effort by a woman to friendzone me in my life (e.g., she wants me to be friends as well with her parents and brother, do holidays at her home, etc.) I actually started to think she was a closet lesbian and asked her once. Hoo-boy, did I get a broadside after that.

        But the striking thing for me is that as soon as I am setting the boundaries, the female will pursue nonsexual “friendship” but I find the passive-aggression very significant and unpleasant. I just don’t try any longer, per the red pill conventional wisdom. I don’t need the drama, the inconvenience and expense, and the aggression.

        I relate it something Jack Nicholson once said: that there was no vindictive equivalent, among men, like the vindictiveness of an ex-girlfriend. He ascribed it to their physical inferiority, and thus a lifetime of creating or managing conflict indirectly.

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  52. on January 28, 2014 at 10:23 am Onder

    It’s eery how accurate your observations are!

    I’m actually dealing with a girl right now who’s a typical Flirtatious flake.
    A Czech girl who I approach cold on the streets and hooked instantly. I genuinely felt she was up for it and that the date would be pretty straight forward.

    But long and behold, she flakes at the last minute then becomes completely coy and unavailable due to work logistics and not having a structure timetable, which is obviously a bait to get me to keep chasing for her time commitments.

    Keep up with the great work mate. Your articles are always very informative.

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    • on January 28, 2014 at 6:57 pm Tilikum

      its like we know exactly what you are about and how you will act/react?

      fucking creepy dude!

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