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The Universality Of Game Concepts

January 30, 2014 by CH

Neophytes who have stumbled into discussions about game gently but persistently have their doubts allayed as the picture of human sexual dynamics becomes clearer, but one skeptics’ framework remains difficult to dislodge, and that is the belief that game is contextual, and that what will work for one man won’t necessarily work for another.

But this superficially plausible belief relies on a misunderstanding of the nature of game. Skeptics often wrongly conflate the idea of “pickup lines” with the plethora of techniques that constitute the discipline of “game”. They envision a world where specific lines substitute for conceptual knowledge and holistic mastery, and from this faulty premise criticize targeted tactics as unsuitable for this or that kind of man.

But without a grasp of the concepts, the quotable lines will never be more than parlor tricks with which newbs can trip themselves up and ignoramuses can spotlight into easily digestible soundbites for the amusement of their loser audience. One must learn the game concepts and the overarching strategy before applying the pointed techniques, or risk babbling incongruent nonsense severed from situational demands.

Commenter YaReally elegantly explains this universality of game concepts and the confusion that leads to the common misperception by students and hecklers of game that only a subset of men can benefit from game.

For ME, [this line, “there’s no reason to go blow $20 on drinks, you could get a lapdance for that lol”] works because it’s congruent to me. I set the frame early on of being the type of guy who would think in those terms. Bob the harmless nice guy from Accouting saying it would get blown out. Russell Brand or Tommy Lee wouldn’t.

This is why I don’t give a lot of word for word examples of my game and just explain the concepts/structure behind them instead. Not a lot of guys, esp who are just starting out learning, would be able to congruently say the things I say. But at the same time, the words themselves are irrelevant…the concepts/structure are what cause attraction.

My push/tease/disqualifier might be “sorry I don’t fuck ugly chicks. But come back when I’m done with this beer and you’re blurry.” Whereas Bob from Accounting might push/tease/disqualify with “sorry you’re not my type, I don’t like high-maintenance women.”

Both versions would cause the girl to go “omg!!” and qualify themselves, because it’s the concepts/structure that’s key.

Someone new to game will say, “Ah, the crass beer goggles line is the ticket to endless poon!” without realizing that the game is not the line, but instead is, as YaReally stated, the underlying concept of “push/tease/disqualify”.

Bob from Accounting would likely get blown out if he spit a line that called a girl ugly, and then Bob would go home and squat in his masturbatorium, railing online about how game is a lie and everyone who writes about it is a huckster. But if Bob was a wiser man with a more temperate disposition, he would return to the well of game knowledge and discover that women autonomically respond less to the precise semantical schemata than to the subconscious cues of being pushed away, teased, and shrewdly disqualified as potential sexual partners.

Bob would then realize that the push/tease/disqualify game concept is valid, but he needs to apply the concept with an eye toward congruency with his personal vibe and presence, and in conjunction with environmental constraints. So the next time Bob ventures out, he tells a woman she’s “not his type”, because she’s “too high maintenance”, and like magic he’s getting a better response.

The game concepts don’t change; the expression of the concepts change. If you were a car salesman, would you sell a Porsche the same way you sell a Honda? Of course not. But the psychological triggers that you use to get people to buy are the same. That’s the fundamental truth of game, only you’re selling yourself instead of a car.

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  1. on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm Zombie Shane

    > “Someone new to game will say, “Ah, the crass beer goggles line is the ticket to endless poon!” without realizing that the game is not the line, but instead is, as YaReally stated, the underlying concept of “push/tease/disqualify”.”

    This is PRECISELY the sort of thing that I’ve been saying about how we need to start making a list and categorizing the various lines by THE IQ OF THE CHICK WHO WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END of the line in question.

    If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20” on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.

    Whereas, “no high maintenance” is much more of what you want to be hitting the super smart chicks with.

    That and dropping some not so subtle hints about how they WILL be expected to cook dinner for you.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm Scray

      I’m telling you IQ is less important than you believe it is. Women generally just appreciate being flirted with — you’re making the mistake of thinking they’re listening to the content of your words. They’re more listening to your tone and watching how you carry yourself for cues on how to react.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:04 pm Zombie Shane

        DUDE: Read Heartiste’s post.

        “Lapdance” and “beer goggles” works on the downmarket chicks.

        “High maintenance” works on the upmarket chicks.

        What Heartiste is saying is that it is IMPERATIVE that you tailor your approach to fit the circumstances.

        [Which is why it would be so good for the newbies if we could make a list which was tailored to specific circumstances, i.e. to SPECIFIC IQ STRATA.]

        Think of it in terms of the ancient folk wisdom which states: ALWAYS USE THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB!

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:20 pm Scray

        And what I’m telling you is that the success of those “routines” has nothing to do with ‘downmarket’ or ‘upmarket.’ It has to do with a) YOUR presented identity and b) how much VALUE she thinks you have.

        Calibration — what you’re sort of getting at — more has to do with how far you can push the current situation and what you can get away with at X stage of the interaction. It involves gauging her interest and comfort with you.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:43 pm Scray

        As further evidence of my post at 1:59:
        “The impact your storytelling will have on a woman depends 80% on delivery and 20% on content”

        It has nothing to do with IQ. It has more to do with the spergy-ANAL-idiotical tone “geniuses” use when they’re being “witty.”

        Been with a pretty middle-lower class roman catholic college dropout, upper middle class protestant college almost-graduate, middle class non-religious party girl “i’m gonna be a nurse,” etc. etc.

        All with differing IQs and differing stomachs for academia. They all appreciate and value intelligence — when it’s applied.

        You are a man. DO things.

        Instead of regaling her with some retarded spiel about economics (unless your goal is to convey passion or some other tight trait), try pulling into a parking space (where there’s another empty parking space two spaces over) and then before she gets off her seatbelt, say “actually, hold on…” and then back up the car in one smooth motion around to the other parking space — execute it with confidence.

        ^^ gina tingles.
        Srs.
        Applied intelligence.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:10 pm Bob Wallace

        Every “high maintenance” woman I’ve has been a nutcase and none of them has been very smart. One mother who told me her daughter was high maintenance was using it as a warning to guys they should be very careful about getting involved with her daughter-who-was-on-psychiatric-medication.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:31 pm Anonymous

        its not just the chick its also your personality probably more so your personality than the chick to be honest

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:47 am Ricky Vaughn (@Ricky_Vaughn99)

        This doesn’t so much have to do with IQ as it does sense of humor and pretentiousness. A high IQ, unpretentious girl with a sense of humor will laugh at the lapdance beer goggles quip if she likes the guy. A high IQ pretentious and humorless girl will probably not laugh.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:13 pm Tilikum

        in the middle of the curve…average women and men.. yes.

        BUT if you are on this site and learning this shit then you are exhibiting the ability to observe, assess, judge the situation properly, and then act……. to adapt….. that places you above the average range.

        this, in time, elevates you (and if you are doing it right and focusing on congruence) out of the average. this means that you will draw attentions of smarter, more feminine chicks with a supply problem. possibly the ones worthy of your paternal investment.

        broads read this reality and judge you on your merits in two seconds. if you really want to become a superior man, don’t fight it. 🙂

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm Zombie Shane

        The really hard thing is recalibrating on the fly.

        Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

        Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.

        In either direction, going with the wrong line [either way too smart, or way too dumb] is gonna get you labeled as “creepy”, unless you can think on your feet and come up with a way to reframe the conversation in the blink of an eye.

        Here I find that HBD Theory [Human Bio Diversity Theory] is hugely beneficial.

        For much of the last few years, I’ve spent a lot of time studying folks’ facial bone structures, and nose shapes, and lip shapes, and hair types, and body curvature, etc etc etc…

        And I’m getting to the point where I can pretty much distinguish whether a light-skinned chick is of British or German extraction, whether an olive-skinned chick is of Sicilian or Jewish extraction, etc etc etc.

        And just knowing her genealogical stock [and what HBD Theory would then predict about her intelligence and her personality and her outlook on life] is hugely beneficial in figuring out how to frame your approach.

        Beyond that – any little piece of information you can glean – the bumper sticker on the back of her car or the slogan on her tee shirt [“Yes We Can” -vs- “Duck Dynasty”], a glance over her shoulder at her iTunes playlist [“Mozart Violin Concerto” -vs- Beyoncé grinding with Jay Z], the book she’s carrying in her hand [Jane Austen versus Harlequin Romance], etc etc etc.

        Any insight whatsoever which will help to give you a foundation upon which to build your plan of attack.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm Zombie Shane

        1) Example of overshooting and having to go hard downmarket on the fly:

        It’s only May 15th, and she’s already dressed in white.

        YOU: “I thought y’all womenfolk weren’t supposed to be wearing white until after Memorial Day…”

        HER [with a quizzical look on her face]: “Wha chew talkin bout?”

        YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Oh, I just heard that it was kinda like taking a deer out of season and then hoping and praying that the Game Warden don’t find out about it.”

        ***************

        2) Example of undershooting and having to go hard upmarket on the fly.

        You’re walking to class and you think that you recognize the book in her arms as being “Theory and Practicum for the Licensed Nurse’s Aide.”

        YOU: “So you’re studying about changing them bedpans?”

        HER [with a look of horror on her face]: “WHAT?!? This is Theory and Practical Examples in Ancient Greek.”

        YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Yes, and I said, ‘Are you studying the Attic second declension?'”

        HER: “Huh?”

        YOU: “The Attic second declension. You’ll learn about it next semester. Here, carry my backpack for me.”

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:46 pm Scray

        ‘It’s only May 15th, and she’s already dressed in white.

        YOU: “I thought y’all womenfolk weren’t supposed to be wearing white until after Memorial Day…”

        HER [with a quizzical look on her face]: “Wha chew talkin bout?”

        YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Oh, I just heard that it was kinda like taking a deer out of season and then hoping and praying that the Game Warden don’t find out about it.”’

        lol wtf is this. It comes off as tryhard in the first sentence, and you’re expecting someone to listen WAY TOO CLOSELY to you instantly. And then the reframe is even more complicated…jesus lol.

        And in this case, you really didn’t need to reframe at all.

        HER: [quizzical] what chew talkin bout?

        YOU: Oh, it’s a tradition — after labor day you aren’t supposed to wear white until memorial day. White is a color that symbolizes leisure, so it’s out of respect for working class people.

        Seems fine to me, and now you’ve DHV’d a little by explaining something to her.

        ‘YOU: “So you’re studying about changing them bedpans?”

        HER [with a look of horror on her face]: “WHAT?!? This is Theory and Practical Examples in Ancient Greek.”

        YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Yes, and I said, ‘Are you studying the Attic second declension?’”

        HER: “Huh?”

        YOU: “The Attic second declension. You’ll learn about it next semester. Here, carry my backpack for me.”’

        This is also tryhard. Wtf. Relax, mang.

        ”YOU: “So you’re studying about changing them bedpans?”

        HER [with a look of horror on her face]: “WHAT?!? This is Theory and Practical Examples in Ancient Greek.”

        YOU: ….what’s more practical than a bedpan in ancient greece?’

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 5:36 am Zombie Shane

        > “lol wtf is this”

        Chicks who went to the Ivies or the Seven Sisters [or the California equivalents – Stanford, USC, the Claremonts, etc] know damned well that a woman can only wear white between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

        Wearing white at any other time of the year is enough to get her scrawny little emaciated anorexic bulimic ass dis-invited from the Christian Dior catwalks from now until the end of time.

        Which is PRECISELY my point.

        You don’t go wasting a perfectly good “Out-of-Season White Joke” on, well, the kinds of folks who don’t get “White Jokes”.

        No offense intended.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:06 am YaReally

        @Zombie

        God. Just stop posting. Please. Just stop.

        “Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

        Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.”

        You’re reacting to her. Whoever reacts more to the other person has lower value. Your entire jockey theory complete with terribly awkward imaginary approaches is based around “how can I impress her??” instead of “does she qualify to be with me?”

        Just no. Please. Stop posting. I’m only like 4 posts into your comments in this thread and I can see there’s more and I’ll end up reading them to watch the train wreck but please stop and go outside.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 11:44 am Scray

        “Which is PRECISELY my point.”

        You are WAY too far in your own head. You don’t need to reframe. You don’t need to do any of that shit. Just learn to demonstrate your virtues — i.e. be fun.

        “You don’t go wasting a perfectly good “Out-of-Season White Joke” on, well, the kinds of folks who don’t get “White Jokes”.”

        That assumes it’s a “perfectly good” joke. You are creating a lot of interactions in your head that may seem good to you, but IRL they will come off as classic tryhard and weird.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:11 pm BuenaVista

        A high IQ female stranger just associates “lapdance” with “slut.” She’s not ready to be your slut. We already have enough issues with ASD. Save it for later, after you know whether or not she wants to be your slut.

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:43 pm Matthew King

        This community, and particularly this site, is not prepared to discuss HBD-like taboo topics such as the distinctions between “high IQ female[s]” and their downmarket sisters because it is stuck in its desire to declare “the universality of game.”

        It’s a counterproductive lapse and rather absentminded error to keep game itself away from HBD scrutiny. I chalk that up to wanting to keep the integrity of the ideas that put CH on the map more than asking the Saileresque questions which may dismantle some of its shibboleths.

        Let’s emphasize again, game is universal. But its effects are diverse, depending on the people who practice it and environs in which it is practiced. HBD specializes in these very subjects, and CH promotes HBD in the other half of his posts, yet strikingly keeps isolated from his game analysis.

        Like Charles Murray — who pioneered brave questions about race — did in Coming Apart, CH should now abstract himself from that question and emphasize the particularities of his research/conclusions as being exclusive to upper class whites. Instead, his instinct is to declare categorical imperatives which, had they been made by a Cathedral agent, would generate a derisive tweet or a lengthy jeremiad from him.

        Matt

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:46 pm Matthew King

        I’m telling you IQ is less important than you believe it is. Women generally…

        Try that canard on one of CH’s HBD posts.

        You are an enemy of noticing things, thick on the ground in the multiculture.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 2:01 pm Zombie Shane

      Q: “Will you be my date for the Black and White Charity Ball for the Susan G Komen for the Cure Foundation? You’ll have to wear a tuxedo.”

      A: “Gee, I dunno, can you cook a pot roast without burning it?”

      Q: “Oh, so you’re one of those barefoot-and-pregnant-in-the-kitchen chauvinists?”

      A: “Well, at least pregnant with twins or triplets. Normal men’s seed isn’t nearly as potent as Zombie seed.”

      Q: “Well you do own a tuxedo and a bow tie, right?”

      A: “Gee, I dunno, do you own a girdle and an underwire bra?”

      Etc etc etc…

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:18 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        That’s fuckin’ money.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm FamilyMan

        I don’t think it’s money. She’s invited you to an event, she wants to make sure you have the required clothing, without which you will both be embarrassed if you go to the event, and you’re asking her about women’s underwear.

        I could be wrong because I don’t talk this way to women of that sort, or really any sort. The topic of women’s underwear could come up but not that way. I can imagine a lot of women who would just be uncomfortable and turn away in disgust.

        Incongruent with the situation I’m imagining.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:29 pm Scray

        This is not a real conversation. This is not how it would go in real life.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 6:04 pm BlackPoisonSoul

        If she’s asking you out on a date then she’s already sold on you. IMO this’s try-hard.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm tteclod

      YaReally clearly explains that the specific lines relate to the item being sold, which is the PUA, not the target of his sales pitch. Not that adjustment according to target isn’t appropriate, but the PUA is a single product, so the sales technique needn’t be fine-tuned for every conceivable woman – only the women he’s pursuing. I think that gets lost here occasionally.

      To extend his analogy: I am what I drive – a Dodge Ram. Selling myself as a Prius will fail the first time I belch. From that viewpoint, I’d need to disqualify and tease according to my no-go rules. Perhaps some tease about how vegan girls won’t grill steak. If she’s interested, she’ll explain to me how she’s a BBQ expert. If she’s really interested, she’ll prove it. I still use this occasionally in marriage, but one must tread carefully or eat out of a can.

      BTW: This stuff is golden in business. You want your clients to qualify themselves to you. “Yes, we’ve been in business for years. Yes, our clients are capitalized with plenty of income. Yes, we pay consultants promptly, but please would you change the payment schedule to 45 days instead of 30 days?” It also helps to encourage your clients to shop your fees after you’ve established you’re more competent than the competition. After some piss-poor projects, they’ll come back hat in hand.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:18 pm Zombie Shane

        > “YaReally clearly explains that the specific lines relate to the item being sold, which is the PUA, not the target of his sales pitch.”

        You do NOT sell a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan to someone in the market for a Ford F-150 pickup truck.

        Nor do you cell a 500-HP limited edition Camaro to someone in the market for a VW Beetle Convertible.

        Your sales pitch MUST BE TAILORED to the buyer.

        And if you throw the wrong sales pitch at her, then you are going to quickly get yourself labelled as the creepiest of all possible creepy old used car salesmen pervert creeps.

        Again: CHOOSE THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB!!!

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:26 pm tteclod

        facepalm

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 4:53 am Troubadour

        If you’re a fantastic actor you might be able to pull off presenting yourself either as a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan or as a Ford F-150. However, it’s a lot of work trying to present yourself as something you really aren’t, and this is where incongruity can seep in quickly and easily. If you’re a Ford F-150, find chicks who like F-150s and sell yourself as what you are.

        To do otherwise presumes that some random chick off the street is worth so much that it’s worth changing your entire personality to match whatever she wants. She wants the Bimmer, you have to be the Bimmer, because this is the girl you gotta have, and that’s what you gotta do to get this one.

        I can definitely see both sides of the issue though. To some extent, I CAN be either a Bimmer or an F-150. I’m an educated, literate, tech savvy, blue collar working man who does a lot of working man kind of stuff for hobbies, and a lot of educated man kind of stuff for hobbies. I’m very well-rounded, and I can move up or down to suit my audience, TO SOME EXTENT. (Moving down is much easier. If you’re not too good to get your hands dirty, rednecks will respect you, even if you have a fancy sheepskin, but the reverse definitely isn’t true. Being a guy with a sheepskin who gets his hands dirty for a living has isolated me from “my people,” ie. SWPLs, to a huge extent.)

        That being said, if you’re trying to figure out whether to be the Bimmer or the Ford to get The Girl you have your sights on, you’re DOOMED. That’s EXACTLY what I did with that chick I was gaming. I couldn’t figure out who to be, and I literally hit her with everything all at once, in a totally desperate way.

        The lesson Troubadour is taking from that misadventure is fuck all that. I’m just going to be me, and find the right buyers. Surely there have to be some out there somewhere.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 6:15 am tteclod

        Troubadour, that moment for me was back in 1993. The world changed once I realized I was a Dodge Ram that needed a paint job and engine overhaul. I went from sad college kid to openly dating three women at once.

        Again, same principles apply to business. Don’t sell what you aren’t. If your product has a value greater than zero, there will be plenty of buyers. From among those you choose the best.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 7:39 am Zombie Shane

        > “I can definitely see both sides of the issue though. To some extent, I CAN be either a Bimmer or an F-150. I’m an educated, literate, tech savvy, blue collar working man who does a lot of working man kind of stuff for hobbies, and a lot of educated man kind of stuff for hobbies.”

        BINGO.

        Now that’s getting into the “ARTISTRY” of being a “Pick UP ARTIST”.

        You have the all prerequisites necessary to go with the flow and improvise and find a line of attack which WORKS.

        You just need to believe in yourself.

        Fake it til you make it.

        Fail at it sufficiently many times until you finally figure out what you’re doing wrong and correct it and emerge triumphant [to quote an old white dead dude who never actually got laid himself – “that which doesn’t kill me makes me stronger”].

        But getting back to the YaReally example.

        YaReally is gaming HB8/HB9/HB10 strippers in Atlantic City and “working girls” in hotel casinos in Las Vegas.

        What works for YaReally with Snooki the E-Cup Stripper in Tony Soprano’s New Jersey Titty Bar or with Ludmilla the Russian Whore in Meyer Lansky’s Hotel Kiev in Nevada – shit like “beer goggles” and “lap dances” – that shit ain’t gonna work for Bob in Accounting.

        This is who Bob in Accounting is looking at hitting on:

        * Sally the Bachelor’s in English from Technical Writing

        * Nancy the Master’s in Library Science from Corporate Documents

        * Esmeralda the Bachelor’s in Sociology from Human Resources

        Now with Sally & Nancy, Bob can go full-on high brow in his Game approaches – get some really hard core chauvinist sexism going with topics like:

        * The actual obscenity in James Joyce’s Ulysses and how it shocked the women of the day – but secretly made their ginas tingle – and why it was imperative that it be banned.

        * Was Ted Hughes a horrible husband or did Sylvia Plath get what she deserved?

        * Did Jane Austen lose her virginity to Tom Lefroy and did she enjoy it?

        On the other hand, Esmeralda with the Sociology degree is gonna be a lot stupider, and Bob is gonna hafta go substantially downmarket on her ass.

        If I were Bob, then I think I might hit on her with some really vulgar crass shit about the reality of what actually happens in Human Resources:

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/04/04/girl-on-girl-crime-too-pretty-costs-you-the-job/

        And then tease her incessantly about how she’s only allowed ugly girls to be hired there and now she’s got Bob all to herself as a result.

        But, by and large, this shit ain’t gonna work for YaReally in the milieu within which he’s moving.

        Although I will say this: If it turns out that Ludmilla the HB8/HB9/HB10 Russian Whore can more than hold her own in a conversation about or Tolstoy or Dostoevsky or Turgenev – and not just hold her own but actually school your ass on the topic of Russian Lit – then YaReally outta grab her for himself and have eight or ten or twelve babies with her.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 8:15 am Zombie Shane

        > “Fail at it sufficiently many times until you finally figure out what you’re doing wrong”

        And, again, if you’re Bob in Accounting:

        * You strike out with Sally from Technical Writing because it turns out that she was molested by her stepfather and so she hates all men and she’s a hardcore bulldyke who has attempted suicide three times already [although she will talk about poor Sylvia Plath until your eyes glaze over and you start to nod off and fall asleep in the barstool].

        * You strike out with Esmeralda from Human Resources because she’s too stupid to even understand the new surveys which show that women in Human Resources actively discriminate against Hot Babe job applicants, and so she writes you off as being “creepy” because you’re just too damned smart for her.

        * But finally you score BIG TIME with Nancy from Corporate Documents, because it turns out that after she has a glass of wine, she lets her hair down and becomes a “Sarah Palin” sexy librarian who loves to fuck and every time you copulate with her, she has multiple orgasm after multiple orgasm after multiple orgasm, and over the years you end up having ten children with her.

        So twice you fail – desperately and humiliatingly and horribly – before finally knocking it out of the park with the grand slam home run.

        Which, in turn, gives you a lifetime batting average of 0.333, and a first ballot admission to Cooperstown.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:23 am YaReally

        “YaReally is gaming HB8/HB9/HB10 strippers in Atlantic City and “working girls” in hotel casinos in Las Vegas.”

        ahhh, finally, the “game only works on drunk bar sluts” argument. Classic. How long have you been reading CH? Lol

        I banged an accountant with a boyfriend last night (I’m reading your gay posts on the bus on my way home lol) and I’ve had lawyers, pharmacists, teachers, etc in the past. I get girls talking about sex and fetishes at high-end daytime gatherings just like the bar star chicks in a club. Intelligent women get wet just like every other woman…try being sexually interesting instead of talking about boring shit like Ulysses lol

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:48 pm Matthew King

        I banged an accountant with a boyfriend last night…

        Did you cross swords during?

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      • on February 4, 2014 at 3:04 am Troubadour

        In principle, what I need to do is get out more often. The biggest way I could achieve that is to get a different job.

        I can’t really relate to the whole Bob in Accounting bit. That just isn’t and never has been my world. I’ve never really worked in an office, and my work environment is nothing like an office now. I show up to work alone, usually don’t meet anybody at the loading rack, usually don’t see anybody at the delivery, and go home alone. There is only one woman to meet in my entire realm as far as the supply side of this business goes, and very few people on the delivery side.

        I mostly deliver to small gas stations in rural West Virginia in the wee hours of the morning. I meet a few girls a year. That’s how I met the crazy chick I was gaming.

        I need to get out more for sure, but I work night shift, and I work long hours, and when my day off comes around, it’s damn hard to get up and going early. I didn’t get up until 18:00 today, and by the time I was good and awake and dressed it was 19:30. Everything closes at 20:00 around here, except IHOP, Waffle House and Walmart, and Walmart is where my wife works. Yeah, I have an open marriage, but it’s not that open.

        My down time after work in the slow time of year is between 04:00 and about 08:00 or so. I’ve tried going out after work like a normal person, but there just aren’t any eligible girls out at that hour. In the busy season, which is 10 months out of the year, I work up to 14 hours every day, and simply have no down time.

        My life really sucks for meeting girls. I don’t have the option of going on day shift, I can’t cut the hours I work, and I can’t change my days off. The only bright side is the job pays pretty damn well, and I have job security up the ass, because it’s hard to find people crazy enough to haul gasoline who have their shit together well enough to pass all the background checks.

        If my fucking cunt sister-in-law would ever cut us a check for the fucking inheritance I earned by surviving 20 years of looking at my fat wife’s ugly face getting fatter and more toothless, I might start to be able to dig my way out of this cluster fuck. Maybe.

        I need to get out of debt and change jobs. It’s all there is to it. With my work schedule, my only realistic choice is to fuck whores, and I don’t pay good money for some bitch to have the time of her life riding this awesome cock.

        Except for my fat ugly wife. Sigh.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:29 pm FamilyMan

        Zombie, tteclod correctly describes what CH’s post was about. You say that isn’t enough, one should adjust to the audience.

        So if the “buyer” is downmarket, go downmarket. If the “buyer” is upmarket, go upmarket. To be honest, I didn’t find your examples convincing. Like the Greek thing. Unless you really know Greek grammar and you’re right about it, you risk looking like a poseur. And if you do, I think you can generate some tingles even if the girl has never heard of a declension. In contrast, your “going downmarket” example has a fair probability of being seen as patronizing.

        Do you really use this stuff yourself?

        What I do, since I cannot remember “lines” anyway, is that I just think about the step involved “push” and then whatever comes out of my mouth is something natural for me to say. I am used to having different faces for different people, so I tend to stay “in character” when I do things that way.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 1:43 am JironGhrad

        Patronizing isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Can be useful as a DHV, if done properly.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 8:36 am Zombie Shane

        > “Do you really use this stuff yourself?”

        Yes, although switching between upmarket and downmarket is just insanely difficult.

        It would be like, say, going to a trumpet audition, where first they want you to nail Haydn’s Trumpet Concerto from memory, and then flip on a dime and go all Satchmo on the St Louis Blues, and then back to a Mahler Symphony finale, and then over to Dizzy Gillespie bop, and back and forth and back and forth, until your skull is about to burst.

        > “What I do, since I cannot remember “lines” anyway, is that I just think about the step involved “push” and then whatever comes out of my mouth is something natural for me to say.”

        Exactly.

        As you are improvising your way through the conversation, just remember the fundamental UNIVERSAL principles of Game, whether you are going downmarket or upmarket.

        Things like:

        1) Shit-testing is a Darwinian mechanism where she is poking and prodding and searching for any weakness in you – because she knows that if she, a mere female, can bowl you right over, then you won’t stand a chance when the Saber Toothed Tiger comes wandering around the cave looking for its next meal.

        2) Get the sexy talk in early and steadfastly. Not necessarily vulgarly or obscenely – you can be completely high brow with the sexy talk – but very early on, let her know [implicitly] that the two of you WILL be fornicating, and fornicating SOON, as early as later that night [don’t worry if it’s just implicit, she will understand what is about to happen between the two of you, and the anticipation of it will make her all the more moist].

        3) Combining 1) & 2), never forget that women want men of STRENGTH, men with BACKBONE, men with RESOLVE.

        Women want to be DOMINATED.

        Women want to be fucked.

        Women want you to drop your load in their birth canals.

        Women want to bear your children nine months later.

        And if you strike out with that particular bitch, then move on the next one.

        Never allow yourself to sit around and wallow in self pity.

        Get out there and start gaming the next one.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 8:21 am walawala

        @Zombie Shane, yes, there are many posts here on over-gaming.

        Calibration is key.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:15 am YaReally

        “You do NOT sell a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan to someone in the market for a Ford F-150 pickup truck.
        Nor do you cell a 500-HP limited edition Camaro to someone in the market for a VW Beetle Convertible.”

        The art in being a pickup artist is in convincing the person looking for a pickup truck that they want the BMW, and in convincing the person looking for a Beetle that they want the Camaro, not in changing the product being sold.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 3:49 pm Matthew King

      The “downmarket/upmarket” Fishtown/Belmont dichotomy is an underappreciated distinction when it comes to game.

      The kind of world PUAs want to live in, and their subsequent antisocial goals, are white-trash low-class ghettofabulosity tarted up under the rubric of “alpha.” Nobody whose legacy will outlast their lives can relate, except maybe as a brief wild-oats-sowing period in late high school or college.

      If we are serious about dismantling The Cathedral, we have to be serious about how hedonism accomplishes the enemy’s purpose.

      Matt

      [CH: If PUA coaches, their students, and their environs are representative, most game is run on educated SWPL chicks in the big cities.]

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:52 pm Trance Syndicate

        You do have to get picky at some point. You won’t get that from a low-value rookie at first.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:26 pm Zombie Shane

        > “most game is run on educated SWPL chicks in the big cities”

        And yet, as you indicated in the title of this thread, there are certain underlying universals at work here: Certain basic principles about the male-female relationship which – if tailored to the specific circumstances – should work regardless.

        For instance, gaming a smoking hot 18-year-old third generation Chinese American Princess from Newport Beach [with perfect teeth] is going to need a completely different set of one-liners from gaming a smoking hot 23-year-old Chinese grad student fresh off the boat from Shanghai U [with crooked teeth].

        I’m just maintaining that choosing the bait which you dangle in front of the prey is going to make an enormous amount of difference.

        You toss fatback on a hook with a bait-casting rod after a big channel catfish.

        You toss a hand-knotted nymph with a fly rod after a rainbow trout.

        [CH: Yes, the underlying game concepts are equally valid for SWPL girls and prole girls. The delivery will be different, but the attitude animating that delivery will be the same.]

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:38 pm Zombie Shane

        And then be flexible enough to flip on a dime and adopt a completely different strategy if the circumstances warrant it.

        “I ain’t seen any trout in this stream all morning, but I’ll be damned if that ain’t a big catfish hiding over behind that boulder. Do we got any fatback left over from breakfast?”

        “There ain’t shit for channel cats out here this morning, but I’ll be damned if them ain’t some bonefish over there. Did you bring yer fly rod with ya?”

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:10 am Matthew King

        [Yes, the underlying game concepts are equally valid for SWPL girls and prole girls. The delivery will be different, but the attitude animating that delivery will be the same.]

        Is this even controversial, or are you off on a red herring?

        It’s not that game doesn’t apply upmarket as well as downmarket. It’s that it applies everywhere all too well. And elites can deal with its excesses more easily and turn them into a virtue, whereas the underclasses eat themselves to death like rabbits on too much of a good thing. The difference is in the social conservatism of the former and the creeping libertinism of the latter.

        Your “BoSSS” solution is tailor made for a culture that has fail-safes built in. There, where all the sharp edges are padded and everyone’s wearing a helmet, game can clear away the leftist fairy-tale noise to reassert the natural patriarchy. “Every woman loves a fascist” (Plath).

        But where the pavement ape ethos rules? Where black whores get pregnant and ask questions later, and twerking white Miley mimics are not far behind? That’s where game turns women into used carousel sluts, literal shit receptacles, and tattooed skrillex-shaved bathroom-stall disease bags. That’s where game addicts men to the easy friction and indiscriminate fattie fucking, the enablers of feminism and seed sprayers fertilizing a generation of niglets who grow into antisocial, felonious, singlepsychomom-raised Obama Sons and their pale imitators.

        None of it would be a problem if the bottom class weren’t influencing the bourgeois in concert with the Cathedral. Beyond our triple-gated subdivisions, they could eat each other into extinction, problem solved. But ignoring (or even encouraging!) this mass pathology until it becomes an existential crisis will engulf whatever BoSSS plans you have at the margins.

        Matt

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:01 pm Scray

        The traits that game demonstrates are attractive from an evolutionary standpoint. Under strict evo-psych, they can create attraction over a longish period of time (I’d guess 3-5 dates/7-10 hours if we’re talking about those traits alone doing the work)

        So….it’s not really about culture.
        Women value guts, confidence, dominance, charm, courage, and intelligence. The only difference between ‘classes’ is that smarter women may pick up on these traits easier than dumber women — i.e. you won’t have to demonstrate them as much.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 12:06 am L. Jon Hubbard

        For some people, “ghettofabulousity” is preferable to manning up and praying to Jesus. For others, neither one is a particularly attractive option.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:35 am Matthew King

        For some people, “ghettofabulousity” is preferable…

        Fuck them. Who cares about them? Soil your nest, live in your nest.

        As for the rest of your formula, it’s a tendentious false binary. Only someone with Jesus-on-the-brain would think the only choices are between a faggot Christianity and THUGLIFE4EVA.

        You have to start discriminating better. You have to pick your enemies better. You have to start recognizing the strength of potential alliances better. If you think we can battle entrenched nihilism with your cartoon paganism or, worse, with a different version of nihilism, you are setting yourself up to fail.

        Here I am a devout orthodox Catholic on a game and armageddon site looking to make common cause with people, like you, whom I find odious and addlepated. I’m sure you think the same about me. Now, is it necessary that we slash each other to death like bitchy little women over those trivial differences, or can we please face forward and close ranks before the proximate foe?

        Which enemy do you want to destroy more? Jesus or the left? If in the likely event you imagine them the same, then all the more reason to concentrate on our explicit enemy held in common. If you’re right, us Jesus lovers will be contributing to our own demise and be annihilated in the process.

        If you want to destroy Jesus more than the left, you will find all the anti-Christian fervor you need over in their ranks.

        If in the unlikely but correct event you understand that we both have bigger fish to fry than intramural bickering and snide asides, then quit dicking around and man your post. The enemy is upon us, inside the walls, inside our homes, in government, on television, in your kids’ schools. You can ride your hobbyhorse anti-Christianity all you want after the most identifiable scourge is scoured.

        I don’t shove my church in your (or anyone’s) face unless they make a gratuitous issue out of it. Why insist on rancor when the wolves are at the door? Do you think you’re being secretly converted by fighting next to a Catholic? Do you think this is some sort of trick, or that this is a game?

        Matt

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 12:49 pm L. Jon Hubbard

        Part of my point (aside from gratuitous swipe at Jesus) is that the ruling class has set up a system that totally screws honest, conscientious lower-middle men such that the risk/loss/reward of living ones life according to Christian morals (however sound they are) doesn’t add up. Makes your exhortations sound no different from others more famous on TV and magazine telling them to “man up”. There is maybe another path but getting married/corporate job aren’t exactly attractive these days.

        Which enemy do I want to destroy more? Jesus or the left? As I have said, I would gladly take communions and confess (or whatever any particular brand requires) if the Pope would declare the Church for Europeans only. Instead I get this kind of shit
        http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=1213
        From official bodies of every god-damned flavour of Christianity. Which causes me to think that We need a religion that is Ours exclusively. I wonder something analogous about most Christians: which do you want more to survive, your moribund religion or your sacred (at least I should hope they´re sacred) People?

        But anyway, you seem honourable enough and seem to consider me honourable so that’s good enough for me. Agree to disagree and lay aside differences.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 6:37 am thwack

        L. Jon Hubbard

        I wonder something analogous about most Christians: which do you want more to survive, your moribund religion or your sacred (at least I should hope they´re sacred) People?
        —————————————————————————————————-

        Thats the paradox Jon. Without the religion the people are not sacred; and if the people are not sacred, they cannot know the religion can help them.

        Just face it Jon; there are some things in this world even the white man cannot talk his way out of.

        You want deep pockets but you got short arms.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 9:51 am eyeslevel

        Matt, how much time do you spend on Christian boards telling them to be less anti-white?

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:49 am Matthew King

        [If PUA coaches, their students, and their environs are representative, most game is run on educated SWPL chicks in the big cities.]That’s just it. You have a plan to break the SWPL “upmarket” cartel, but that same medicine is poison for the low-resource, low-discipline downmarket, and creeping into the middle class. What do you have for them?

        Game is cocaine. Belmont can play around with casual use because they have otherwise sturdy (read: social conservative) architecture around them that allows them to fail — Tiger Moms, money for the best rehab, cultural shame.

        Game is crack cocaine to the underclass, and in our world, with the express assistance from the upper class or “Cathedral” and the Game is Universal trope, the middle class bourgeois are now taking their cue from the ghetto. What is a mild, oat-sowing diversion for the preppy meritocrats becomes a debilitating social disease leading to 70% bastardy rates in Fishtown. Which is the source of the other half of your complaint posts: why the culture is going to hell.

        If the middle class were properly churched and grew up with both parents and was a haven of stability, like it once was, game could be released harmlessly and become a tool for the reinforcement of civilization, a means by which the roles of the sexes could re-emerge in natural complementarity. But those classes have been stripped of social defenses. Game becomes a fire in the attic rather than a fire in the hearth, destroying rather than warming.

        Game can save civilization if deployed properly and in a moral context. It is universally effective. But like any force-multiplier, it can aid the forces of nihilism or the forces of civilization. If you are as murderously contemptuous for the Cathedral as you say you are, you would scrutinize this crucial element to empower the right people. You would stop abetting the enemy.

        Matt

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 12:06 pm Pluviophile

        debilitating social disease

        http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/31/68-year-old-Dame-Helen-Mirren-Twerks

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 2:01 pm thwack

        Hold on here.

        First of all, what she did does NOT qualify as real twerking because she did not get down low enough.

        2nd, any women that can REALLY twerk at 68? I’ll squeeze her left cheek because its hell on your knees and those are one of the first things to go.

        Now; the equivalent for men is duck walkin in your 40s.

        A show of hands, who can do it?

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 8:08 am YaReally

      “If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.”

      Keyboard jockeying nonsense. Leave your basement and start approaching girls instead of wasting people’s time with this theoretical shit. If anything a higher IQ chick enjoys it more because it stands out from the gay intellectual shit guys in her peer group drop on her.

      Fucking jockeys.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:24 am Matthew King

        Protip for newbs and rubes: Whenever this YaReally character screeches “keyboard jockey” and GO OUT MOAR, it is the telltale sign the conversation has strayed beyond his expertise (such as it is) and he is out of his depth. N’ he don’t like it.

        It’s a little brat who loses the party’s attention for a moment and has to cry out “poopie head!” so that the focus comes back to him and his pretend-fiefdom of rigid, hyperspecialized, guttersnipe knowledge.

        That’s the problem with singling out his observations and featuring them in posts. Or the overpraise from fellow rising omega urchins. It puts ants in his pants, and he begins imagining he knows more than he does. He’s the equivalent of a Obamanian community organizer for hobos, but rather than being homeless, they’re sexless.

        He’d be so much more tolerable if he stuck to what he sees and hears and left the big picture stuff to those of us who have transcended lefty platitudes and intellectual insecurities.

        Matt

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:12 am YaReally

        “It’s a little brat who loses the party’s attention for a moment and has to cry out “poopie head!” so that the focus comes back to him”

        And what do you think your post is?

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 11:04 am Matthew King

        And now you double down on the brattiness with I know you are but what am I?

        In the first sentence: my post is information for newbs and rubes who might, like you, mistake an attaboy for the declaration of your universal expertise. And it’s a reminder for long-time observers who know the score.

        You’re much more effective when you silently pass on these topics under the principle of, “Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

        And you’re not even thought a fool! You are counted a guru. But this doesn’t satisfy for some reason, and so you insist on devolving the conversation down to goers-out-more vs. goers-out-less, with everyone who disagrees with you automatically qualifying for the latter classification.

        You are bounded in a nutshell but count yourself king of infinite space. You’re better, even tolerable, when you are humbler, when you dial it back and concentrate on what value you can add to this forum in the many places you can add it — rather than remaining in permanent astonishment that other men have other legitimate conclusions and interests. But this is old news.

        Matt

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 2:44 pm YaReally

        “and so you insist on devolving the conversation down to goers-out-more vs. goers-out-less, with everyone who disagrees with you automatically qualifying for the latter classification.”

        This only bugs you because as we all know, you don’t go out and approach girls and you hate the idea that your opinion should instantly be treated with skepticism if not out-right discounted based on that, because you have no intention of ever going out and think your armchair theorizing should allow you to sit at the adult’s table.

        You’re out of your paygrade, sorry. That’s not a judgement on you as a person. If you started going out and posting your analyses 1) it would align with what the guys who go out say because we come to similar conclusions from field experience, and 2) I would support your posts like I support anyone else’s.

        I’m shitting on Zombie Shane because his retarded examples are directly contradicting how shit works in the real world and that’s confusing to newbies who don’t yet know better.

        “But this is old news.”

        So quit rehashing it. Pretty sure no one but Greg gives a shit about your opinion on me.

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:56 pm Matthew King

        I’m shitting on Zombie Shane because his retarded examples are directly contradicting how shit works in the real world in Jerry Springer world and that’s confusing to newbies high-class people who don’t yet know better live in the downscale-aspirant white middle class.

        FTFY.

        So quit rehashing it. Pretty sure no one but Greg gives a shit…

        I didn’t rehash anything. You did. This entire, lengthy subthread began well before I arrived and before you interjected your one-dimensional bromides. This larger application of game is what three-digit-IQ people are interested in, rather than your latest boring war story that so enthralls the celibates.

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  2. on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm Erudite Knight

    Setting frame is huge, you want to be known as the guy that says things others think ‘I can’t believe he just said that, I could never say that’.

    It’s a lot more free.

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 9:36 am YaReally

      Yep.

      There’s a vid by Tyler talking about how people loved the Gangnam guy because his no fucks given attitude allows everyone to cut loose and act silly but I’m too tired to dig out the link. You can also see this in that YouTube clip where the solo dancing guy at a music festival instigates an entire crowd of dancers just by being the most “free” person there.

      This is actually a big part of my style of game and it’s why I can get high-IQ chicks and both men/women love me in high-end environments: I’m willing to risk being “that guy” by making the first inappropriate comment. Generally a few people won’t be having it but there’s always at least one person who lol’s, and I riff with them and because we’re having more fun then other people join in and cut loose and eventually even the people who acted turned off by my behavior at first feel the social pressure to come around and quit being stuffy and let loose…next thing you know I have a group of high-class people talking about sex and throwing back drinks like they’re teenagers again.

      But it’s because I instigate it and go first and I’m congruent and calibrate as I go. Without me they’d be talking about Ulysses all night trying to out-impress eachother, concerned more about whether everyone approves of them than whether they’re having fun.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:50 pm walawala

        @YaReally I spent my 2 week vacation practicing or rebooting my game. I talked to various women in different ways, sometimes cocky-funny.

        I was in a very exotic locale where I had to speak and operate entirely in another language which in some ways made gaming girls easier because I didn’t feel the weight of my words the way I would in English. Some women I gamed were younger, some were more cougars. I just wanted to work more on using game in a more chilled, relaxed delivery. It was tougher but I started to see some interesting results.

        Other times I just got them to open up about whatever they were passionate about and let them talk.

        In both situations, a lot of my vibe depended on my mood, whether the girl I was gaming was funny or more serious.

        I told me ex girlfriend to fuck off after catching her in a lie.

        With church girl who I was gaming, I basically told her to come over and cook breakfast with me when I return and gave her my grocery list. Then at different times talked seriously and then more wildly about sex, relationships and whatever. She ended up posting a photo I took of her looking smoking hot saying “feeling sexy” —which she then later pulled down. So incepting the idea of banging her was seeping in.

        I banged an ex gf who moved to another country and we hung out for 2 days.

        Overall I chilled and was not outcome dependent at all using the concept of come what may.

        Too much “keyboard jockeying” over-analyzes each word. I think the concept I was trying for was more attitude rather than any type of tactic. It felt a bit weird. In some cases it was not working, in other cases solid.

        But that is the nature of game. There is no one magic text, conversation, tactic. It’s attitude and abundance.

        Feeling better overall.

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  3. on January 30, 2014 at 1:52 pm Holden Caulfield

    Men should only be applying game tactics on attractive women. On that note, listen up ladies: getting in shape makes men want to talk to you and *gasp* the added bonus is that you’ll be healthier:

    http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1001587

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  4. on January 30, 2014 at 1:58 pm Scray

    Yes.

    Congruency is King. Aka expressing interest like a non-sperglord.

    [CH: On a related theme, there is a time and place for contrast game. Post on this coming soon.]

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm Charlie Don't Surf

      16 Commandments of Pajamaboy:

      First off, I love you
      I’ll never look at another woman
      You’re my everything
      I’ll do anything you say
      I’ll do double for you
      This is exactly how I feel
      You’re my one and only
      I’m sorry – I’m sorry – I’m sorry
      I won’t play with your emotions
      You’re beauty is awe inspiring
      I’m so unsure of myself
      I’m not good at anything
      Best we take it slow
      That’s all I got … I’ll get you a towel
      You’re my master
      If you leave – I’m going to die.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:39 pm Grim

        Wow. Best comment here in a while. This deserves a CH tweet and republication as the 16 commandments of beta or “non-poon” or whatever you want to call it. This is a perfect example of the 16 commandments of blue pill that most of us believed most of our lives, which also proves the correctness of CH’s 16 commandments of poon.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm Scray

      I’m pretty sure that the greatest, best contrast game to master is ‘snake in the grass’ beta imitation game. Promise commitment, flowers, etc. up until the bang. Then proceed to go full asshole. I would think that this would maximize a man’s short-term mate quality.

      //
      will get back to ya’ll, still trying it out…

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:33 pm Tilikum

        what you described is fucking social suicide! Don’t pull that shit within two cities of where you live. girls are fucking stupid and will punish you for reminding them of it..

        Beta game is when you have the value built and in the bank.

        Dude, seriously…you doin ok?

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:48 pm Scray

        how is it social suicide? if it gets back around to me — and I fucking hope it’s a girl who asks — “oh yeah, I really wanted to give her everything….but she just wasn’t ready.” My word against hers. And since a) girls LOVE fucking over their friends and b) girls are also jealous of their friends and likely to believe the worst….and c) because the girl is better looking than me, so the scenario likely has played out this way before…the chances of me coming out smelling like a rose seem pretty high. Not to mention having a shot at the friend, now.

        ……….

        this may be the most devious, yet brilliant scheme. just stay tuned.
        If it works, I probably won’t do it again. but holy shit man……the powwweeeeeerz

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 9:10 pm Tilikum

        listen. every girl you have EVER met is smarter than you in this moment.

        but u wanna learn the hard way so thats cool. i respect that.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 9:30 pm Scray

        I believe I can pull this off. It’s not like I have the outward appearance of the kind of guy who would do this.

        If the 8 goes batshit crazy for me having lied to her (when/if she wizens up…keep in mind this is all in the infant stages. I’ve just pulled the aboutface), I can just feign insecurity/commitment issues. That way I become the “fixer-upper” man. You know, the man with vision.

        That way, if/when I fuck her friends, we can just chalk it up to that — which will only serve to increase my value even higher to the 8.

        This all sounds great in my mind lol. I’m pretty sure shit will unfold as I think it will, I’m just worried I’ll get a pang of conscience or something stupid and crack before I can bust open this social circle’s treasure chest of poon.

        …

        In which case, one of these crazy bitches will probably kill me.
        Wish me luck in this endeavor

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 11:38 pm Matthew

        Ellipses, lols, and half-breed overconfidence. I’ll call this Scray Persona B.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 12:09 am Scray

        …what if I told you A and B — named by you — were both me?
        Now, the others are just trolls. One troll, specifically.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:40 pm Matthew

        I’d have to name him Scray Persona C. Until you get a cool avatar like me. Mine has a pig.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:43 am YaReally

        @Scray

        Leave them better than you found them. Fuckin guy.

        Use martial arts to protect your loved ones, not be the playground bully taking people’s lunch money.

        It makes me sad that you would be excited to do this. Yes, it will absolutely work. No shit it’ll work. But it says something about how far into scarcity you are right now when that’s what you have to resort to. This is some low-value shit right here.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 12:06 pm Scray

        The stuff I’m saying above is just an escape plan if it blows up in my face so that I can cover myself. But it’s not like I don’t care about this girl or don’t think she’d be good with me. At the same time, I just feel like I’m doing what’s necessary to secure the kind of attraction/value she needs to have/feel I have for it to work.

        And yeah, I can admit scarcity — she’s the hottest girl I’ve been with. Beauty is addictive, man.
        But I feel like I’m in a bind — I feel like I have to deploy the hard alpha low maintenance stuff for awhile to change the frame, a frame she wouldn’t have accepted (or hey, maybe I couldn’t make her accept with my current skillset) at first before we did our thing.

        I mean, do you think this just means there’s no way I can leave her better than I found her?

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 2:39 pm YaReally

        @Scray
        “At the same time, I just feel like I’m doing what’s necessary to secure the kind of attraction/value she needs to have/feel I have for it to work.”

        This is reacting to her and falling into her frame. It might work, but you’re basically changing up your gameplan because you don’t feel you deserve her so you’re starting off on a bad foot. You basically have minor one-itis.

        I described to a friend recently that you should ultimately be able to turn down a 10 because she’s 90% perfect but that last 10% doesn’t meet your requirements and you’re able to walk away from her.

        “or hey, maybe I couldn’t make her accept with my current skillset”

        This. When you encounter these situations, if you choose the “change my shit up to try to be what I think she wants me to be” route, you build a weaker frame. If you choose the “stand my ground, try setting my frame, possibly lose her, then re-evaluate how exactly my frame failed and how I could have re-enforced it better, then go out and find another girl just as hot and try it again, and maybe lose her again, then re-evaluate again and tighten up my frame again, and try it again…” route, you build the strong frame that, down the road, will let you have girls like this on whatever terms you want.

        Like how do you think I got my frame? It was from being willing to lose a shit-ton of hot girls just to develop it. Now I’m reaping the rewards because when I step up to the same hottie as you, you’re trying to figure out how to let her join your party and I’m offering her a chance to be a part of mine.

        “I mean, do you think this just means there’s no way I can leave her better than I found her?”

        You have to consider that her not being with a guy who promises her a bunch of commitment shit he has no intention of keeping might BE leaving her better than you found her. You might not deserve her right now. It’s like a newbie buying a hooker to get sex…ya, it works, and he’s “successful”, but was that really “right action” in the longrun or was it chasing instant gratification/validation out of fear/scarcity?

        The game is hard, it’s a mental battle with yourself. I’m not saying you can’t get this girl or that you shouldn’t, but you should think pretty deep on this because this won’t be the last hot girl you meet. You’re young and learning game, you have 10-20 years of your prime with girls ahead of you. It’s okay to lose a few here and there for the sake of developing your own internals.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 3:24 pm Hunter

        @YaReally

        ” When you encounter these situations, if you choose the “change my shit up to try to be what I think she wants me to be” route, you build a weaker frame. If you choose the “stand my ground, try setting my frame, possibly lose her, then re-evaluate how exactly my frame failed and how I could have re-enforced it better, then go out and find another girl just as hot and try it again, and maybe lose her again, then re-evaluate again and tighten up my frame again, and try it again…” route, you build the strong frame that, down the road, will let you have girls like this on whatever terms you want.”

        Ah, and this is how you build congruency, no?

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 3:51 pm YaReally

        @Hunter

        Yup. Short-term pain for long-term rewards.

        I didn’t start out saying shit like “Hey, you look fuckable and all these other girls have high standards so I figured I’d come say hi.” lol

        I started out like everyone else did, like you and Scray did, as the unthreatening asexual dude who could maybe get the girls’ attention with a “Who do you think lies more?” opener and hold a set and get some numbers here and there and occasionally it would work out into a lay.

        I was worried about offending people, about being blown out, about losing girls, especially about losing super HOT girls…and I did the same shit you guys will do, like change up my gameplan thinking “well this girl is hotter than the others, so now I’m going to act differently and be incongruent to who I am and what I want, because you guys don’t understand, this isn’t one of those low-class girls, this one is DIFFERENT, I have to fit into her world or she might reject me.” And I got burned on that enough times that I hit the point where as Bill Burr says “you go from “I shouldn’t say that” to “eh, fuck it, say it and see what happens”.”

        From there I did the usual pendulum swing, where I went way too far into the uncalibrated other side of the pendulum and had to tone it back at times and learn the calibration for it. There are a ton of girls out there who had very weird interactions with me on my journey over the years lol

        I’m teaching a buddy right now how to get more sexual in his game, and when we go out he’s uncalibrated with it and he’s blowing out sets with his incongruency because he doesn’t have the timing/calibration/congruency of a lot of this sexual stuff down yet. And I’ve had to explain to him that that’s totally okay, because you’re going to remember the next time you make a sexual comment “remember, last time I went sexual too late, or went too sexual too fast, and blew the set out, so this time pay more attention to the vibe”.

        I fully expect him to get blown out a bunch over the next 6 months…but after that, he’s going to be a fucking terminator because a lot of this will be on auto-pilot and totally congruent.

        The other thing is that he’s not like me, in that he’s more of a high-class guy, so we’re being very careful not to try to make him just clone me and say the things I say because a lot of it isn’t just incongruent to him, but it’s not self-amusing and it’s just not the vibe he wants to have in-set…so we’re tailoring things to his personality, but still applying the same concepts of “screen/qualify/push” her, just in a way that fits more with his personality.

        It’s okay to fail. Going from “being able to run a set of average girls” to “being able to get an 8+ girl massively attracted with legit sexual tension in the first 5 min of the set” can take like a year or more to learn. It probably took me 2 or 3 years in total. I used to stand at the empty bus stop alone waiting for the bus to go downtown to do pickup and saying “shit, fuck, pussy, cock” out loud to myself just to get comfortable saying “bad words” lol And ya, that was weird behavior, and anyone watching would think I was strange, and I was incongruent with that vibe for the first bunch of months or year…but short-term pain for long-term rewards, now when I get in a girl’s space and I growl into her ear about the things I’m going to do to her later, she melts because it’s said with 100% sexual congruency that other guys don’t have.

        Same thing with Scray’s situ and setting the relationship frame. I make it very clear up front what I’m offering, and I don’t walk away if she doesn’t immediately take it…I just keep gaming and slowly convince her she wants to buy the BMW when she came in for a Beetle. I hear from a lot of girls “I just can’t figure you out” or “I just don’t get you” because they’re trying to fit my view on casual relationships into their socially conditioned paradigms that haven’t been challenged before and she hasn’t had to think about.

        The key is being rock solid in your frame and showing them the beauty of it. That’s why I say stuff like “alright, give me your number but don’t call me 5x a day to tell me all about how Sally at the office is such a bitch.” I’m setting the frame in everything I do that I don’t want to be her gay boyfriend, and part of that is by making her frame (wanting to buy a Beetle, wanting commitment) seem retarded (“everyone has a Beetle, don’t you want to stand out?”, “lol I hope you’re not looking for someone to sit on a couch and watch reality TV and get fat with ’cause you should try that lame guy over there, he looks reliable”) and mine seem awesome (“when you’re in a BMW, everyone sees how important you are”, “personally I think people should be free to experience new adventures, I would never want to hold a girl back from having sex with some amazing guy she met on a trip to Paris with her girlfriends just because I was so insecure that I had to demand she lock her pussy up”) so she abandons hers and enters mine.

        But again, I have those views and I can push my frame on her because of the congruency I built up from, in situations like Scray’s in, taking the harder path that built my internals and occasionally lost girls, instead of the easier path that got me short-term rewards/validation with no long-term growth.

        It’s okay to lose the girl, there are more of them out there. You’re young and can go out and talk to 50 girls every day for the rest of your life if you want, there’s nothing stopping you.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:55 pm walawala

        @YaReally

        The idea of revenge, vengeance or some trickery is low-value. It comes from a place of neediness–a “need” to get one over on someone.

        I’ve played out various revenge scenarios or situations but it’s a lose-lose.

        it’s co-dependent to do something because you want it to matter to someone else in some way.

        This is a key learning I’m trying to adopt. You have to game chicks because you want to and enjoy it, not because you want to show off, or because you want to impress someone or them.

        The goal of game should be the process of seduction as much as banging some chick.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm Rosalie

        This contradicts the whole concept of “game”, aka females attracted by the dominant, aloof man. If women are repulsed by betas, why would you need to impersonate a beta to make her surrender?

        [CH: You’re missing a crucial premise: “vulnerability game” is effective after the man has already proven his alpha bona fides. Simply dating a hot girl is enough proof for most women.]

        That would mean that a quality woman would rather sleep with a beta (flowers, committment) than with an alpha, and in order to be an alpha you have to pretend to be a beta to get sex. It’s illogic.

        [Women are inherently illogical. If you ask them, they’ll say they want flowers, and they might even believe it when they say it, but when they act they behave quite differently from their self-beliefs.]

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:54 pm Rosalie

        You’re missing a crucial premise: “vulnerability game” is effective after the man has already proven his alpha bona fides. Simply dating a hot girl is enough proof for most women.

        So, if you ask her out and she accepts, that means that you can lie about commitment and this is already game? This looks like simple, basic cunningness to me, not “game”.

        [CH: No, what he’s saying is that lying about commitment is a devious ploy that is effective not only on the girl he’s dating, but on her girlfriends whom he might be interested in dating in the future. This isn’t related to any specific game tactic, but it could be grouped under a category that encompasses a whole host of “whatever works” techniques for bedding women.]

        Women are inherently illogical. If you ask them, they’ll say they want flowers, and they might even believe it when they say it, but when they act they behave quite differently from their self-beliefs.

        Yes, but the man above stated that he will give the flowers and he will make promises of commitment until sex, so he would basically play the beta role all along. This is lying to get what you want, nothing complex like playing a game.

        [Where did he say he hadn’t yet had sex with the girl? I didn’t get that from his comment. Anyhow, a lot of context is missing. If he’s dating a girl and it’s obvious she’s fallen for him, “phony commitment” game can surely work. But if he’s a charmless beta promising the world for a tiny piece of puss, he’s not going to get far.

        If you are a woman, this kind of talk will emotionally unsettle you. But try to get outside your head and create some distance between your reflexive feelings and the subject under discussion. It’s not impossible. Men do it all the time when women discuss their mercenary dating schemes.]

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm Rosalie

        No, what he’s saying is that lying about commitment is a devious ploy that is effective not only on the girl he’s dating, but on her girlfriends whom he might be interested in dating in the future. This isn’t related to any specific game tactic, but it could be grouped under a category that encompasses a whole host of “whatever works” techniques for bedding women.

        OK, now I understand. So it’s a version of what Napoleon said, “all is permitted in love and in war”.

        [CH: Lying is probably a feature, not a bug, of human nature. At least from the individual’s survival program perspective. However, game is not necessarily or even tangentially about lying to women. It is first and foremost about effective salesmanship, which can be as truthful as one wants it to be. Most PUAs don’t advocate lying, because there really isn’t a need for it. But just because lying isn’t necessary doesn’t mean it isn’t effective.]

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:55 pm Rosalie

        But just because lying isn’t necessary doesn’t mean it isn’t effective.

        The problem is that if a man lies about something as serious as commitment and a future together, the most probable victims will be the girls with little or no sexual experience, because those with experience will not be as affected by a false promise of commitment (probably it happened to them before). The result will be a broken heart, a crushed soul and probably the beginning of the “cock carousel”, as it’s called here. And the next victim will be the man who will fall in love with the woman who was lied, the “beta husband”. And cynical men will produce cynical women, and cynical women will produce cynical men, in a neverending cycle in which cynicism feeds cynicism.
        It’s true that it is emotionally unsettling, but probably that’s how life is.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:26 pm Scray

        The problem is that if a man lies about something as serious as commitment and a future together, the most probable victims will be the girls with little or no sexual experience, because those with experience will not be as affected by a false promise of commitment (probably it happened to them before)

        Translation: target demographic is highest quality of poon.

        And it’s really just about doing everything you can to present this image: I AM A PROVIDER. USE ME FOR RESOURCES WHILE YOU HAVE YOUR HOT ALPHAS ON THE SIDE.

        High quality girl says to herself “Hey what a deal”

        In return, she just becomes a low-maintenance FWB to me after she’s bonded/we’ve fucked.
        In theory, the about-face will spin her hamster wheel so hard that she’ll become extremely attached. Now, I have her mind working for me to make me more attractive and to make what we have more meaningful (promises, promises, right? she keeps dreaming of that life we could have…much in the same vein that women keep ‘hoping’ their alpha will come around in one way or the other).

        And all current signs point to the above being accurate. I’m going to stay the course with the aboutface for another week or two and see if I’m right. Because if so…I will feel like God.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:47 pm Scray

        Oh, and CH is totally right about the planned benefits re: her hot friends. Sooner or later she’ll explode and things will end or whatever — not before I haven’t established nice “friendships” with those friends, who think of me as a “nice guy,” (but a nice guy who’s fucking their hot friend = not a niceguy™). So I’ve already got comfort because to their knowledge I’m a nice trustworthy guy, I’ve already got pre-selection because I’ve been fucking their hot friend, the sob story of ‘I guess she wasn’t ready for what I had to offer’ may serve me well.

        But the above is just theorizing lol. It seems like it could unfold this way…but right now I’m at the early stages. This could be such a tight way to infiltrate a social circle of hot chicks.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 6:17 pm BlackPoisonSoul

        And the Alpha said “I want you to be my girl – tell me you’re my girl,” way too soon with full knowledge that she’d tell him to wait a little while and not rush in to a relationship so fast. The Alpha shared her lack of commitment with her girlfriends, and banged two of them within six weeks. (Alpha 13:5)

        –not mine

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 7:53 pm Amy

        “The problem is that if a man lies about something as serious as commitment and a future together, the most probable victims will be the girls with little or no sexual experience, because those with experience will not be as affected by a false promise of commitment (probably it happened to them before). The result will be a broken heart, a crushed soul and probably the beginning of the “cock carousel”, as it’s called here. And the next victim will be the man who will fall in love with the woman who was lied, the “beta husband”. And cynical men will produce cynical women, and cynical women will produce cynical men, in a neverending cycle in which cynicism feeds cynicism.”
        —

        This. Scray, did you fall down and hit your head? This is cruel to lie about and it doesn’t sound like you.

        This exact scenario is what directs the the most vitriol to “players” and “game”. Affirmative lying to get a “good girl” to have sex with you, knowing full well you’re going to bolt.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 9:26 pm Anon

        Rosalie, you do know what this blog is about, yes? Were you a man, you’d be condemned as a white knight. “Crushed souls” are simply collateral damage in pursuit of the primary objective.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 11:51 pm FamilyMan

        Rosalie is right, and why would you want a high quality girl for a FWB? She’s high quality. If you don’t want her, take a high quality girl you do want, and leave her for another brother who wants this one — while she’s still high quality.

        But I’ve said before I don’t approve of this perpetual adolescence. Don’t spill your seed into endless women, emasculating yourself with her pill or your condom, worried that she’ll get pregnant. Take a wife and make her pregnant with full intent.

        Men need the power of game. I felt helpless until I figured out how to do this. But they need to use the power responsibly. Scray, you say you’d feel like God. Doesn’t that amount of power bring solemn responsibilities with it? It does with every other kind of power. For example, driving a car allows you to run into people and maybe kill them. But you have the responsibility not to do that.

        You know, if you are so great at creating attraction, then you can create a “harem” of female friends. I’ve written that women can be great friends, as long as you are the one who refused sex with them rather than vice versa. The sexual tension has to be resolved somehow, and they can be great friends as long as it’s resolved in your favor. (If it’s resolved in her favor, you don’t want her as a friend, refuse it, hard next.)

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 9:53 am YaReally

        Agree 100% with Rosalie and Amy. No fucks given who calls me a white knight. The rule is “leave them better than you found them”, not “take what you want and leave a trail of destruction behind”.

        The rule isn’t there because of white knightery or idealism, it’s there because this is a skillset that IS very powerful and absolutely allows you to do “god-like” things. It’s for that reason that we try to teach guys to use it for good, because if you wanted to, you could use it to do some serious long-term damage to women, men, marriages, children in those marriages, etc.

        “With great power comes great responsibility.” That coked out stripper sucking cock in some shithole for her next drug fix while her kid starves didn’t just happen out of nowhere…that kind of thing comes from a long line of bad decisions, regrets, and being used/abused by dipshits overcompensating for their lack of success earlier in life by going power-mad because they still have a chip on their shoulder.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 11:36 am Anonymous

        @ yareally

        aside from not going out of your way to deliberately hurt a girl and trying to be honest an respectful as you can, leaving them better than you found them is only a myth

        if you are a player steamrolling your way through women with game , women being the way they are gonna fall for you and develop feelings (even when you do the whole thing of telling them from the get go you dont want a relationship).

        i agree with using this stuff in a way that does the least amount of harm but there will always be harm done in sex battle between the sexes

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 12:46 pm Scray

        “This. Scray, did you fall down and hit your head? This is cruel to lie about and it doesn’t sound like you.”

        I kinda view this the same way I view Soft Nexting. If you want your girl to behave in an appropriate way, you have to Next. Soft Nexting is extremely hard for me to do because it seems cruel — I’ve only done it like once for a week, and it was extremely effective.

        This, to me, is like maybe what is necessary to get a girl that you know you’re compatible with but who just won’t give you the appropriate chance. It’s also the only anecdotal experience I have with turning a hard “no.” Not a passionate “no,” but like….complete indifference….into a “yes,” and…if early signs are any indication, “god yes.”

        Ya, with another year or maybe two of hard consistent work…could I get my inner game/confidence/etc. to levels where I could pull her without this kind of shit? Maybe. I’m focused on right now.

        —

        “you could use it to do some serious long-term damage to women, men, marriages, children in those marriages, etc.”

        I thought about this. After the initial aboutface, why not just ‘you know, I’d really like to get to know one another for a little while. I feel like I’m rushing you and I don’t want to pressure anyone. In the past I’ve been too needy and I’m trying to stop that, so let’s just take it slow.’ Seems like that’s an easy way to back off of commitment or anything without hurting anyone’s feelings.

        Then from there….just do what I said I’d do — get to really know her. If she’s tight, hey…awesome. If not, then split — “I’m really insecure around you. I just don’t think I could make it work because of how insecure this makes me. It’s really not you, and you deserve better.” Seems like a solid way to end things if it comes to that without making her feel like she’s been used. And hell, if you’re/I’m lying….then obviously there is some insecurity there so it’s pretty honest.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 2:21 pm YaReally

        @Anonymous
        “women being the way they are gonna fall for you and develop feelings (even when you do the whole thing of telling them from the get go you dont want a relationship).”

        You combine it with other things, which are basically not treating her like a girlfriend: no dinner dates, no watching DVDs cuddled on the couch, no seeing her more than once a week but ideally no more than once every 2 weeks, don’t get to know her soul and talk about her hopes and dreams, no giving her even a remote hope in any way that you would ever qualify as boyfriend material (so you hate kids, you hate commitment and monogamy, you plan to travel around the world and won’t be around for more than a couple years etc.).

        If you learn to handle that all proper, and combine it with setting the frame from the very start, you can absolutely have sexual relationships with women where they don’t develop deep feelings for you and both go your separate ways when she finds a “real” boyfriend or you move on, ending on a healthy positive note after having improved her life with your sexxin and whatever things you teach her about life thru your actions.

        The “every girl ends up broken hearted and damaged because players just use them and sex is taking something from the girl instead of a mutually beneficial activity” is a myth, perpetuated by people who 1) hate the idea of people having casual sex, 2) aren’t getting it themselves, 3) haven’t had these kind of arrangements before, or 4) are stuck in social conditioning narratives.

        But it does take work/practice and following the rules. Most guys let their dicks/emotions lead them and end up breaking the rules and then someone gets hurt. But the goal should be to improve the girl’s life and leave her with good memories, not purposely pull the wool over her eyes and fuck her over for some quick validation.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 2:29 pm YaReally

        @Scray
        “Soft Nexting is extremely hard for me to do because it seems cruel”

        No, it’s extremely hard for you to do because it involves handling things directly like a man and letting the chips fall where they may and risking losing her.

        This gay dupe-route you’re fixated on is easier for you to do because it involves scurrying around like a little bitch not admitting what you want out of a fear of rejection/loss while you scramble for bits of validation to soothe your ego.

        With a Soft Next you have to address the issue and let her know she did something wrong and have an actual confrontation. With your dupe you get to avoid experiencing any negative feelings. A Soft Next teaches her appropriate behavior and offers value. You’re offering no value, just taking it.

        This:

        “‘you know, I’d really like to get to know one another for a little while. I feel like I’m rushing you and I don’t want to pressure anyone. In the past I’ve been too needy and I’m trying to stop that, so let’s just take it slow.’”

        …is a lot better mindset than:

        ““oh yeah, I really wanted to give her everything….but she just wasn’t ready.” My word against hers. And since a) girls LOVE fucking over their friends and b) girls are also jealous of their friends and likely to believe the worst….and c) because the girl is better looking than me, so the scenario likely has played out this way before…the chances of me coming out smelling like a rose seem pretty high.”

        It’s still probably going to backfire on you because you’re changing your gameplan based on her hotness which basically says that you don’t feel entitled “as is” to get her, which is going to come through in your sub-comms etc sooner or later, but at least with the above mindset you’re not reveling in shitting on her dreams so I won’t hassle you for that one lol

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 11:42 am Pluviophile

        every girl ends up broken hearted and damaged because players just use them and sex

        Even if you consciously avoid obliterating a girl’s psyche, and even if that girl has in her possession token memories of the experience, the dalliance guarantees her quality is ultimately poorer.

        The more cocks a girl consumes, the less fit she is for commitment.

        To say a girl assumes higher aspect under the tender ministrations of compassionate PUAs is to say joyriding the Phallic Ferris Wheel might optimize womanly appeal under favorable conditions.

        ******

        Observe the female commentariat of this blog: They insist on slopping in the mud with men because manifold cocks destroy femininity and replace it with masculinity.

        Barring an outlier, I’d say the girls here, e.g., Amy, possess vaginal walls disfigured by pecker potholes(lucky for them they’ll always find clearance grade demand in beta-males and blacks who collect the flotsam and jetsam of wreaked youth).

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:02 pm Matthew King

        Pluviophile QFT.

        Liars are weak because truth hurts. Does a man wield pain or deliver softness? Does he face his adversary with a hammer or dance around his back with a stiletto?

        Again, this goes beyond male-female relations. It is about honor, and whether one can afford to be straightforward, blunt, honest. Magnanimity and largess versus hoarding and niggardliness. Game is a gift for women, a liberation, not a burden or a scam.

        Overclass, underclass, zero class.

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      • on February 3, 2014 at 9:26 am Amy

        “Barring an outlier, I’d say the girls here, e.g., Amy, possess vaginal walls disfigured by pecker potholes(lucky for them they’ll always find clearance grade demand in beta-males and blacks who collect the flotsam and jetsam of wreaked youth).”
        —–

        Lol, you’ve become rather charmingly predictable. How many hours a day do you devote to thinking about my sex life?

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:10 pm Scray

        Here, maybe it’ll be easier to grok in song form:
        Just gonna stand there and watch me burn
        But that’s alright because I like the way it hurts
        Just gonna stand there and hear me cry
        But that’s alright because I love the way you lie
        I love the way you lie
        I love the way you lie

        It’s a bait and switch. The girl thinks she’s finding a provider and someone nice that maybe she can settle for and control. However, once she gives up her power — i.e. fucks you — you gain Value. Now, you’re in the driver’s seat. Assuming you turned her out sufficiently, she’s going to be bonded to you, and now you’re going to treat her like an alpha would treat her.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 4:43 pm Amy

        I know! It’s just like when I pretend to like a beta orbiter so he’ll take me out to dinner and buy me stuff. It’s a bait and switch. The guy thinks he’s got a pretty girl that maybe will have sex with him. When he spends all that money on me and is high on spending time with me and all the sexual teasing, I gain value. I’m in the driver’s seat. Assuming I’ve teased him enough, he’s going to stick around fervently hoping I’ll have sex with him, and now I’m going to treat him like a gay boyfriend with constant blue balls who buys me trinkets and moves my furniture on command.

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:10 pm Matthew King

        The girl thinks she’s finding a provider and someone nice that maybe she can settle for and control. However, once she gives up her power — i.e. fucks you — you gain Value.

        She’s not looking for a provider herb when the throb is on. You’re like the morose dude hanging out till the pub lights come on hoping to catch some crumbs.

        You think you’re a ninja, but you’re just another moulignon shoplifter. A petty grifter. Gypsy pickpocket.

        Holly: After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you’re nothing but a common thief.

        Schicklgruber [spazzing]: I am an exceptional thief, Mrs. McClane!!!

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 7:55 am tspark156

        In simple terms, she will pass the time waiting for her Prince Charming in black knights beds.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 8:23 pm Jay

        “The rule isn’t there because of white knightery or idealism, it’s there because this is a skillset that IS very powerful and absolutely allows you to do “god-like” things.”

        So basically when you got the key to the city don’t take the piss?

        What a great guy, he’s turned down sex cos he didn’t think this woman had properly got over her last relationship!!

        Meanwhile back on planet earth sex starved losers are hoping for whatever they can get. So when it comes to sex men are responsible for womens happiness yes? And yet you fuck women who have boyfriends, yes? Married women? No problems? Cant be arsed but would love to study all your posts and find this wonderful sexual morality where banging lots of women has no impact on the sexual market place. How does that one pan out? If you thought abstaining from shagging about would make the world a better place would you do it lol, I’m guessing no fucking chance.

        Given that female/male exists as a biological fact, and given it appears that has evolved due to the selection advantage of sex split sieving out weaker genes by cutting the losers out of the mating game, winner takes all etc then how do you see this moral sexual world where adultery doesn’t exist, anyone can shag anyone, game on? The world will suck up the correlative behaviour of the sexual loser male whether it likes it or not.

        Id argue religion arises as an unconscious solution to the sexual market place, it allows for less “sex war” (cant think of better words). Open the door to liberal sexual marketplace and be prepared for consequences. General result, more dominant males and females bash mediocre and lesser males into the ground. Hence sex laws, which are not designed for big winners like you but sex losers like me, weed out the chaff bro yeah!! Its like Lord Obama himself is setting up shit tests himself to keep all that pesky loser sperm at bay. Don’t worry ladies we’ll screen out those evolutionary dead ends before they get anywhere near you. Fill your boots with YaReally though he’s got game bro.

        Your white knighting in the classical alpha sense that Jabba has on his website. See romantic pictures of huge film stars with gorgeous women cuddled into their chest, loving women is the highest of high points for a human male sex winner, no surprise that its loser cunts who show the worst sexual jealousy. Absolutely no chance that jealousy evolves from that long evolutionary fight lol. And even less chance that psycho killers are all evo dead ends hahahaha!!! Goto comment on any “sexcrime”, “whatta a loser” hahahaha. Well shag him ffs and make it look real, cos if its loserness that drives his cuntishness as implied by the snap “loser” comment you’ll save the elephants or summat lefty!!! Share the love innit?

        There aint no lefty solution to sexual competition, hence the necessary explosion of internet porn, loser males projecting their identities onto perceived sexual winners for limbic mindfucks!! See video games, internet, film etc etc. Why do women cover up in Islam? Reduce sex competition full fuckin stop. Narcissus refckinvisted. Lefty liberal big govt world needs projection, it needs to give the losers the lie that they are winning. The red pill thing just means seeing life as, the horribly competitive world it is. Its the feeling of your heart dropping through your guts when your Mrs fucks a guy who’s way above you and you can’t give her that. Game means BECOMING the guy who does the fucking not the guy who does the heart through guts thing. We can’t all be that, evolution fuckin decided lol. Winners and losers on a spectrum? How do you pacify the losers Mr Really? Lock em up? Pat them on the head, mass GAME clinics for losers males? I’m guessing signing up means you fail the shit test anyway hahahahaha!!

        I’m one of the losers who’d have guessed it! But do I have a point amongst my pissed ramblings? In a lefty sexual world everybodys limbic sexual drive would be satisfied, that aint coming anytime soon.

        GAME MEANS COMPETITION. And its a game more like musical chairs, who the fuck wants to be the one sent to the sideline lol. 99% of loony males are sexual losers, how did that happen lol!!!! Bottom line, RESPECT for women is correlated with SUCCESS with women, its fuckin obvious. And respect NEVER means supplicating. Women fuck winners or perceived winners, anything less and they get “creeped out”.

        Ahhhh…. that feels better! Theres a lot to be said for the internet.

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      • on February 3, 2014 at 1:10 am YaReally

        lol I have no idea wtf you’re talking about. That was awesome.

        “How do you pacify the losers Mr Really? mass GAME clinics for losers males?”

        Yes. That’s why I’m here.

        “I’m one of the losers who’d have guessed it!”

        No, you’re just trapped in a victim mentality. You’re free to leave it anytime you like.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 9:05 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        A Ponzi Scheme …

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 2:30 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      loxoxozozzzozooz

      wheneverd da GBFM see his twelve inch lotoattss cockas againstz her milky white skin and blond puzuzyyzyzyzyzyz, dat is high contrast game!!! zllzlzzzo

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 2:46 pm Tilikum

        hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:31 pm blocks

        your veneration of hedonism relative to the normally virtuous efforts of your soul is making jesus cry

        contrast game

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  5. on January 30, 2014 at 2:04 pm Trance Syndicate

    Very good. The basic concept rookies need to learn above any specific value-setting skill set is to establish and maintain the “I am the Prize” frame. Everything else will fall into place over time if this is accomplished.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 2:30 pm Scray

      Nah. Rookies need to first learn how to contribute/create/demonstrate value. Greater betas tend to add value but they aren’t discriminate and so therefore sell themselves way under actual price. Normal betas and less actually have trouble with the value part of the equation — and they’re the vast majority of men who have issues.

      The “I am the Prize” frame will only work when she values you. You’ll just look like a retard if you try pulling it before then.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:36 pm Anonymous

        Yes, the put in the work to learn how to DHV, but the frame I described is what works to build value above anything else. You won’t look like as much as a retard if you are shy about it.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 4:55 pm Scray

        Not really. If you haven’t DHV’d, acting like you’re higher value will do nothing for you. What’s sexy about ‘assuming the sale’ is sub-communicating experience with women, as in ‘ah, you’re interested now and I know you’re interested.’ That kind of read builds pre-selection value only when it’s accurate. When it’s just deployed like a blunt instrument, it does nothing.

        Sometimes it seems like assuming the sale is creating value, but what’s happening is that the individual usually is doing it in the context of Cocky Funny — with cocky and funny in the correct proportions. So he’s simultaneously demonstrating value while communicating his knowledge of his own value to the girl = very awesome and sexy (also pretty rare).

        Most men are starting with close to no value with the girls they want, so selling what value they have won’t do anything for them.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 1:58 pm Trance Syndicate

        Acting like you are higher value/assuming the sell is the best way to past shit tests and move through A2. You can’t start to qualify her unless she is ready to accept that you are what you think you are no matter how irrational it seems to everybody else. The frame is what she is accepting, not the externals. The is the meta-frame of all frames. The DHV threshold is just that, a threshold. Only so much is needed depending on the girl.

        When you mention cock-funny, that is a skill set. You can get better at being funny and cocky, but at first calibration will be shit. And any one who pretends that they always hit it just right is a fag who needs their ass kicked by me. Almost every pickup attempt will have its flaws, nobody is a perfect PUA.

        Because of this PUA know that know system is 100% perfect. Juggler for example found flaws with MM, yet he used it.

        The value is in the frame. I know this because I have been getting by with this for years now and have only studied game with any effort for the past year or so. I learned about “The Prize” frame back in 2005 and my game overall jumped largely in part to that.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 3:39 pm Trance Syndicate

        Working on DHVs of course is what we all are constantly learning, but you can’t create value out of nothing. Owning the frame I described will make you look like less of a retard than going about it in a shy way would. You are selling what value you have at the time.

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  6. on January 30, 2014 at 2:36 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    The game you spit depends on the girl too. What you’d say to a church girl and what you’d say to a stripper are verrrrry different. But the same principles apply.

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  7. on January 30, 2014 at 2:39 pm Tilikum

    my thoughts:

    Knowing that something works but not a complete philosophical understanding of why it works is the Skywalker Curse. It also leads to serious difficulties later down the road when the glut of tactical examples in your data bank of experiences causes a short circuit.

    Watching for signals and behaiviors you understand is infinitely healthier than practicing some tactical chicanery and when all those experiences build up and one day you just “get it” (via propiquity or whatnot) it will bake out your noodle.

    Been seeing this a lot in the sphere. Philosophical babies abandoning the deep understanding for the quick tactical hit. You pay for that.

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  8. on January 30, 2014 at 2:43 pm Supramax

    Grist for the CH Mill – Oprah, a Dad with red pill understanding, a daughter who finally gets it

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  9. on January 30, 2014 at 2:46 pm Supramax

    Sorry, here’s the link:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/jill-roberts-jill-strasburg-oprah-show-gastric-bypass_n_4675846.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl23%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D436421

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  10. on January 30, 2014 at 2:47 pm Grim

    It is sad that pennyread has 88,000 twitter followers and CH has only 5,000.

    not a chiv at CH, of course. it seriously sucks and shows how hopeless our situation is.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 4:00 pm Ryan Vann

      Not necessarily a source of despair. Certainly it is possible to make a substantive point in the 140 characters allowed, but it is mostly just grunting and onomatopoeia vaguely approaching language on the Twitter. CH lends itself to a more verbose demographic, which is should be a point of pride and hope.

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      • on January 30, 2014 at 5:48 pm ACG1

        GRUNTING? OMG WOW. HOW R THERE STILL PPL LIKE THIS IN THE WORLD, IN 2014??? JUST WOW.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 5:36 pm ACG1

      Most CH readers wish to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons. I’m frankly shocked anyone is willing to tie his Twitter account to CH (unless I’m misunderstanding Twitter and no one can actually see who you’re following?)

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 1:57 am JironGhrad

      That just means that red pill men are too manly for something called a “tweet”.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:01 am Grim

        True and indeed I’m not on twitter. CH, do you know how many regular readers of this blog you have? Does wordpress tell you those stats?

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 8:33 pm thwack

        twitter is ebonics for white people.

        Two whites texting each other on a twitter will utter unintelligible garbage back and forth and smile smugly as if something important was exchanged. It wasn’t.

        The tweeter engages in a 24 hour a day effort to set itself apart from the rest of the SWPL Pack in order to be noticed by friends, or by pretending it knows something that the others don’t in order to give its fragile ego a boost. Typically, in a scenario like described above, tweeter #1 will bellow out something like, “Hey chile — Foobity Hoo, Fu Man Chu, Who Be You, CanYaDigIt?”

        The second tweeter, not wanting to admit that it doesn’t know what the first tweeter is even remotely talking about will reply IN ALL CAPS (to draw more attention to itself) “Summuh Fummuh, Shamma Lamma, Sweet Home Alabama, and a SideOrderO’FrenchFries”

        The first tweeter, unable to understand a damn thing the second tweeter said, will pretend that it understands perfectly well as to not to appear stupid. It will respond in an even louder voice (again, typical “Look-A-Me” behavior) and utter some more idiotic garbage. Pretty soon, they are both tweeting at the same time and trying to drown one another out as they continue on their separate ways — each content that it was the victor in a text based display of dominance and showmanship, much like two Roosters puffing and strutting around the same yard to impress the females.

        Stupid twats.

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm Matthew King

        It’s true. Twitter is disproportionately black, female, and gay.

        The value of Twitter is in its stream, which is the future of information dissemination. The brevity required to keep the stream flowing is considered a hindrance to white men but a positive benefit for the more illiterate types. White men think deeper, harder, more obsessively — for better (sequencing DNA) and worse (the Star Trek Wiki) — whereas others are more frivolous, carefree, and interested in shaping Twitter as a social tool rather than a new way to communicate ideas.

        Read the Sailer piece. It is truly profound because he’s one of the few journalists who isn’t afraid to ask the interesting if taboo questions.

        Matt

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      • on February 2, 2014 at 1:35 pm thwack

        White men think deeper, harder, more obsessively — for better (sequencing DNA) and worse (the Star Trek Wiki) —
        —————————————————————————————————-

        That may be true Mathew, but unfortunately the only way I can measure the accuracy of your statement is by observing white male communication (text and verbal). And what I see today is a lot of white men who use way too many words NOT because they are deep thinkers trying to exchange truth, but because they like the “sound” of their own voice.

        Thats why Im glad I get to read your comments and a few of the other white men here who know why and how to use all the “big words” they learned from their education.

        The ones that try to fake it?

        Those are the white men I eat for breakfast

        Loquacious simps, the cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast. Besides being a waste of my time, it also leads to verbal pissing contests, the analysis of paralysis and complete distraction from getting in the fight.

        Meanwhile, the negros, their bodies brightly painted; are busy POACHING on the kings land.

        WTF?

        Mathew, just because you are cert effective with the full arsenal of the English Language don’t mean them other guys are, or ever can be.They’ll end up shooting themselves, shooting each other; or worse, running into me.

        Then YOU gotta come pull they nuts out the fire.

        (((shakin my head)))

        A lot of your men don’t wanna stop talkin because they know when the talkin stops, they gotta act.

        Especially that bullshit about “whatmyancestorsdid…”

        You should make them stop.

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      • on February 3, 2014 at 4:57 pm Matthew King

        Good comment.

        I’m saving you a seat on the ark.

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  11. on January 30, 2014 at 3:02 pm newly aloof

    I’m sorry, what did you say …
    http://www.kindgirls.com/photo/ftv/annalynn_58382/6999/12/8/

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  12. on January 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm Nomennovum

    “The game concepts don’t change; the expression of the concepts change.” — CH

    The ‘tude abides.

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  13. on January 30, 2014 at 3:32 pm Steve Baker

    Anti-gamers are too fucking stupid to get it. If you can’t give Bob Wallace a fail proof one word poon switch, he slowly, slowly cudgels his thick little skull for a long while, stares dumbfounded at the monolith, and finally grunts “NO POON! WHERE POON? GAME BAD! BAD! ME WANT POON!”

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  14. on January 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm Dan

    An aside,

    This was recently retweeted by a male celebrity who thought that it was funny and great. I’m not going to name the celebrity to prevent linking this blog to him, and thus discourage him via liberal shaming from posting more non-PC links. Although, I’m sure that finding him wouldn’t be too much effort for the motivated. Regardless, the revolution is spreading:

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  15. on January 30, 2014 at 4:47 pm martin

    Some years ago some very clever individual figured out how to win at Blackjack by noting the cards that had already been dealt, and was able to make a lot of money from the casinos.. The casinos were able to recoup their losses many times over however because less talented wanabees tried to copy the bloke’s technique (I think he wrote a book) and generally ballsed it up thus losing all their money.
    “Game Theory” reminds me of this story. A lot of young men, reading this site and others like it, but actually having no clue about social interaction with all its subtle cues and nuances, will make complete idiots of themselves by getting it all wrong and ending up being really outrageously rude to a variety of women in their ham fisted attempts at using “Game”. One could make a delicious comedy sketch about it.
    There’s more to it than witty one liners or putting women down. What you say or do has to be congruent (a good word in this context) to the kind of person you are, and I think the key here is that (1) you should not do or say anything that is contrary to your conscience, and (2) the person you are has to be an interesting person.

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 7:45 pm Mojo Fourinline

      This.

      OTOH when you start practicing being “outcome independent” you’re bound to act a bit weird at times as you calibrate and see what works.

      “Outcome independent” is a funny way to put it… How about learning to laugh about it when you fuck up? Learning not to take yourself too seriously, and not to take girls seriously at all. Nobody but the Buddha really doesn’t give a shit about outcomes. Success is cool. But we can all learn not to give a shit about cheap and ephemeral failures.

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  16. on January 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm McGonzo

    Game is a lie and everyone who writes about it is a huckster!

    Fap fap fap fap.

    😀

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  17. on January 30, 2014 at 5:32 pm bloxghanistan

    amerika2014: the race to the bottom of who can sow the most discord, coming to a pleb interaction near you

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 5:35 pm bloxyria

      or how i learned to stop worrying and love the bombed out sluts

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  18. on January 30, 2014 at 5:58 pm Anonymous

    I don’t always use lines but when I do I base them on game.

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  19. on January 30, 2014 at 6:35 pm Libertardian

    The diversity will continue until morale improves.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/30/nyc-school-cuts-popular-gifted-program-over-lack-d/

    A popular gifted-student program at a New York City elementary school is getting the ax after school officials decided it lacked diversity.

    PS 139 Principal Mary McDonald told parents in a letter Jan. 24 that Students of Academic Rigor, or SOAR, would no longer accept applications for incoming kindergartners, the New York Daily Newsreported.

    “Our Kindergarten classes will be heterogeneously grouped to reflect the diversity of our student body and the community we live in,” Miss McDonald said in the letter posted on Flickr.com.

    …

    In a follow-up letter sent to parents Monday, Miss McDonald wrote: “At PS 193, we believe that all children can learn and achieve high standards. We also know that we want all children at PS 193 to have equal access to high quality, challenging curriculum, and to have ample opportunities to master complex material and build academic and personal self-confidence. We also want our classes to reflect the diversity of our community. We believe we can have both: classrooms characterized by rigor and diversity.”

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    • on January 30, 2014 at 9:52 pm Libertardian

      Liberal logic: moving into a slum and trying to make it look better is like the genocide of the native Americans.

      http://oaklandlocal.com/2014/01/20-ways-to-not-be-a-gentrifier-in-oakland-community-voices/

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 1:32 am Libertardian

      Single women’s bedrooms all over the world.

      http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/no-place-like-home

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 1:43 am Libertardian

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/30/petition-make-plus-size-princesses-in-disney-movies_n_4695664.html

      Disney, I demand you add trannies and people with explosive incontinence as well. Okay, well at least give us lesbians, while you’re still allowed to draw attractive characters.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 11:16 am Lady

        Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27/good-luck-charlie-lesbians_n_4675943.html

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  20. on January 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm Mr Meaner

    Not a pick-up video, but you can learn a lot from Arnold’s style here. Practically runs a clinic on how to speak to strange women.

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  21. on January 30, 2014 at 7:55 pm Hearst

    “It calls itself the Dark Enlightenment. “Endarkenment” would have been crisper” (from CH’s twitter)

    I like what I see regarding this dark enlightenment thing. I just don’t like the term “dark enlightenment” and the term “cathedral.”

    We are not the “dark side.” By definition enlightenment can’t be dark. We are the light. We are the White.

    also

    The Gothic cathedral is probably the greatest artistic-symbolic achievement of Western civilization. To call the enemies of the West “the Cathedral” is offensive. A better term would be “the regime.”

    But if that’s what sticks then so be it.

    I do sense a strand of elitist snobbery in it as well. This comes out of the HBD subset. The current elites see the masses as “goyim” and “profane.” We need to be different. The people of Middle America need a champion to serve them.This needs to be a person (1) who comes out of the working/middle class and who truly understands the issues they face (libertardians need not apply).

    http://systemssymbols.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/king-of-the-united-states-of-america/

    .

    [CH: This is an interesting comment, ripe for seeding new discussions. I’d only add that many revolutionary movements had “dark” origins… a source of discontent which was fed-up with the status quo. The light and the dark can coexist, and in fact make for a more powerful foe.]

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 10:31 am Grim

      Regardless of terminology, we need to put on our shit kickers and kick some shit.

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 7:42 pm Hearst

      [CH: This is an interesting comment, ripe for seeding new discussions. I’d only add that many revolutionary movements had “dark” origins… a source of discontent which was fed-up with the status quo. The light and the dark can coexist, and in fact make for a more powerful foe.]

      We are not the side that demands another group of people get force-assimilated out of existence.We’re not the ones looking to demonize the culture of others in order to weaken and destroy them. We’re not the ones advocating global government.We’re not the ones pumping a degenerate toxic culture into the minds of Western youth. We’re not demanding that certain political speech be made illegal. We’re not the ones advocating jail time for disagreeing with certain versions of historical events. We are the true champions of choice and freedom. We’re the advocates of true diversity. We also value community, beauty, and order.

      Our enemies are the side of ugliness, forced diversity,and disorder. They’re the ones who have to lie and force people to live according to their world view. They have to spend trillions of dollars pushing the anti-White narrative in the media and education systems. They have to over report White-on-non-white crime and under report non-white-on-White crime.They have to push the sex wage gap myth.

      All we have to tell the truth. All we have to do is point out that “anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.” All we have to do is attack their pretty lies.

      As much as you fancy yourself a dark apprentice of Lucifer. That’s not what you are. That’s our enemy’s dark lord (or archetypal form). That’s our enemy’s MO: duplicity, deceit, and deception. They work from the shadows. They serve the serpent, the horned one, the father of lies.

      We smash the enemy with the hammer of truth and the spear of justice. We work from the light. Our archetypal form is Father Odin/Zeus and/or brother Thor.

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 8:29 pm Grim

        Tied for best comment I’ve seen with the 16 commandments of beta one.

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    • on February 1, 2014 at 6:56 am thwack

      Hearst

      I like what I see regarding this dark enlightenment thing. I just don’t like the term “dark enlightenment” and the term “cathedral.”

      We are not the “dark side.” By definition enlightenment can’t be dark. We are the light. We are the White
      ——————————————————————————————————

      Stop looking with your eyes; your flesh is a relic. It is the darkest people who have seen the most light; how do you think they got so dark?

      The best barber is the one with the worst haircut.

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  22. on January 30, 2014 at 8:11 pm Wizkid Johnq

    Not exactly on topic, but thought Heartiste reader may find this article as interesting as I did:

    Jon Millard, Idea Detective -Cupid on Trial: A 4-month Online Dating Experiment Using 10 Fictional Singletons

    From the comments:

    Shelly – An even more insightful “study” would be to do the same thing but use people of similar attractiveness but different ages. I am in my 40’s and I receive virtually no messages. I did the Match thing for six months and sent over 200 messages, all of which were “custom” to the guy I was contacting. I can’t stand cut and paste emails, not to mention they’re obviously cut and paste. I got fewer than 10 responses. In six months. What I have taken away from this whole experience is if you’re female and your age starts with a number equal to or higher than 4 (I’m 45) it is not going to be a great experience. And if, like me, you’re tall (5’11″) it’s going to be even worse.

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  23. on January 31, 2014 at 12:24 am Anon2

    How important is push/tease/qualify to Game? Should it be done continuously, over the course of several hours of talking to a woman?

    Or is it only needed to be done once at the beginning, to get her ‘hooked’?

    Can more examples of how to do this be posted? Or a link back to an old article on this site, that elaborates?

    Much thanks….

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  24. on January 31, 2014 at 2:27 am Markus

    Has anyone seen this trash making its rounds? Written by an aging single woman justifying her lack of success.
    View story at Medium.com

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  25. on January 31, 2014 at 2:28 am The Universality Of Game Concepts | Truth and c...

    […] Neophytes who have stumbled into discussions about game gently but persistently have their doubts allayed as the picture of human sexual dynamics becomes clearer, but one skeptics’ framework remains difficult to dislodge, and that is the belief…  […]

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  26. on January 31, 2014 at 2:40 am earl

    The fundamental truth…

    There is 3.5 billion of them…and only one of me.

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  27. on January 31, 2014 at 3:58 am Master Beta

    It seems to be the biggest misunderstanding that people have about game: The words you say matter very little. It’s all body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice. A true master of game would be able to seduce a woman without saying anything.

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 7:05 am anon

      And that’s why they call you masterbeta!

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      • on January 31, 2014 at 10:07 am Master Beta

        I call myself that actually.

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 7:19 am Tilikum

      i actually agree but it takes a while for a guy to get there sometimes.

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 10:08 am YaReally

      “It’s all body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice. A true master of game would be able to seduce a woman without saying anything.”

      Yep. Experimenting with this now actually, but it’s too early for me to break it all down yet. It’s fascinating in action though and I plan to write about it down the road when I have it distilled into something consistently teachable/explainable that guys can apply.

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      • on February 1, 2014 at 6:46 am rikard

        i remember this last weekend when i went up to a “couple” at the bar. after saying hi i proceeded to lock eye contact with the girl completely ignore the guy and shut my mouth. it held this state for minutes, watching the guy becoming increasingly frustrated in the periphery. finally i had to stop when he came back with a bouncer to get rid of me.

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  28. on January 31, 2014 at 5:44 am earl

    This is a good summation of a lot of things people talk around these parts. A must read for the experienced and the noobs.

    “A woman cannot tell you how you must proceed. She can only tell you what she wants to experience.”

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1v8cc0/a_woman_cannot_tell_you_how_you_must_proceed_she/

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    • on January 31, 2014 at 8:08 am Tilikum

      thats actually where every newbie should start.

      it’s good. succinct.

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  29. on January 31, 2014 at 7:09 am newly aloof

    The game concepts don’t change; the expression of the concepts change. Indeed the expression does change … the look of a man’s face too. I looked as some Pre-Red-Pill pictures of myself. Barf! I have that “smile just cause the camera is on” smile, you know, that smile that is just too happy for nothing in particular. Now the pictures I take, my smile is more of a smirk with a slightly raised eye brow. The look is more “yeah, I’m smiling, but you do know I’d kick your ass if need be.” And that’s really what YaReally is saying here. He wears game on his face and in his attitude; that’s why his lines work for him. Once you internalize game and all the shit to avoid in your appearance/attitude/composure, you can use different tools(lines) to build the house(attraction).

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  30. on January 31, 2014 at 7:50 am Grim

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/31/3904396/us-seeks-death-penalty-for-marathon.html

    Lolozozoz. CH u gonna monitor the tweets from chicks pining over this uber faggot?

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  31. on January 31, 2014 at 8:58 am AlphaBeta

    Redistributed wealth leads to redistributed happiness http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/01/24/stockholms_singles_syndrome

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  32. on January 31, 2014 at 12:49 pm Anon

    If ‘Game’ were instead called ‘Learn How To Be The Devilish Rogue That Women Love’… we wouldn’t have this confusion.

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  33. on January 31, 2014 at 5:06 pm Charlesz Martel

    I have picked up women without even speaking their language. It’s very doable- the trick is to have a good time while doing it and make it a game- severe outcome independence!

    Do you know the difference between rape and seduction?
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    SALESMANSHIP!

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  34. on January 31, 2014 at 8:32 pm PIATTI

    just dont get the value system ..alot of you guys set up for yourselves..this expert chic picker upper is taking buses and working for somebody.. and another guy who writes that he operates at a high level and slays 10’s says ariane grande is the ultimate prize type..what..x 10..

    imo you should be very careful listening to these guys and their advice..

    the value systems that eke out the more they advise in writing is skewered to being really good in a fucked environment..being good in a fucked environment for 5 yrs..guess what .. ur fucked..

    ..1st set your sights higher ..try something admirable and meaningful..

    2nd dont believe “there’s just no quality women out there” they all fuck in the bathroom after 1st date coffee and are stupid vapid and culture fucked..

    not true ..

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  35. on February 4, 2014 at 3:10 am In response to Zombie Shane | Troubadour's Corner

    […] Chateau Heartiste ate my latest comment, so I’ll just paste it here.  The issue under debate was whether to game up or down depending on the target, or just be who you are and find girls interested in what you’re selling.  Zombie Shane was going on at some length about being either a BMW or a Ford F-150, depending on the IQ of the girl in question, and I was talking about how it’s possible to do that, but easier just to be whatever you are.  He responded with some story about Bob from Accounting gaming chicks in his work sphere, and this was the response that WordPress swallowed: […]

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  36. on February 4, 2014 at 11:04 pm Lightning Round -2014/02/05 | Free Northerner

    […] The importance of congruency and structures rather than specifics. […]

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