Does this post title sound like a paradox? It is to virgin ears which have yet to hear the Rude Word of CH. But once again ♥science♥ waltzes onto the Chateau ballroom floor to plant a giant wet kiss on the stubbled cheek of your e’er ‘umble host and announce with stentorian resolve that “Aloof Indifference Game” is real and it works.
Erin Whitchurch and her colleagues conducted a study on 47 female undergraduates to find out. Each woman was told that several male students had viewed her Facebook profile and rated how much he’d like to get to know her.
One group was told that they would be seeing the four men who had given them the highest ratings (“liked-most” condition). Another group of women were told that they would be seeing the four men who had given them average ratings (“liked-average” condition. Finally, another group of women (“the uncertain condition”) were told that it is unknown how much the guy likes her. The women then viewed four fictitious Facebook profiles of attractive male college students.
After they viewed the profiles, they reported their mood and rated multiple aspects of their attraction to the male students (e.g., “someone I would hook up with“). The participants then rated their mood again, and also reported the extent to which thoughts about the men had “popped into their head” during the prior 15 minutes.
They found evidence for the reciprocity principle: women liked the men more when they were led to believe that the men liked them a lot compared to when they thought the men liked them an average amount.
Women in the uncertain condition, however, were most attracted to the men. Women also reported thinking about the men the most in the uncertain condition, and there was tentative evidence that the effect of uncertainty on attraction was explained by the frequency of their thoughts. In other words, it wasn’t the uncertainty per se that was attractive but the thoughts it induced.
Interestingly, women in the liked-best condition were in a more positive mood than women in the liked-average condition, but women in the uncertain condition were no different in mood than women in the liked-best condition. Women felt just as positive under uncertainty as they did knowing for sure the guy liked her!
When women think of assholes they don’t want to date, they’re thinking of caring assholes. The kind of men who are clingy, mate guarding buffoons. The assholes who are loved by women are the men whose jerkitude is implied through emotional distance, cocksureness, outcome independence, and inscrutability. The man who cares least earns the most love (and sex) from women. The gradient of this Uncaring Male-Loving Female curve is steep at the beginning of a relationship (courtship, dating) and levels off as the relationship deepens, to a point where the man’s SMV is noticeably higher than his lover’s and she is practically begging for romantic beta signs of his continued love and commitment.
The Uncaring Male-Loving Female curve is also dependent on the comparative sexual worth of the partners. A beautiful woman with a lot of options will be more attracted to romantically ambivalent men. In contrast, an ugly woman with few options will need and feel grateful for conspicuous signals of sexual and romantic interest from men.
As a man with game, you should always default to the Uncaring Male-Loving Female dynamic. If you overshoot, you have room to rein your indifference and bedaub the woman with tiny jewels of romantic intent; if you overshoot in the other direction — i.e., you lavish too much beta wooing on a woman — there’s no chance to come back from that category error.
Interestingly, psychologists are coming around to the CH theoretical (and field-tested) framework that the frequency and amplitude of “care least” courtship and dating rituals are increasing. Women, at least those in the highly sexually charged ruthouses of our major anonymizing cities, are responding more to aloof men, and are themselves mechanistically cranking the reverse gears of their pair-bonding algorithms. There are a host of reasons for this state of arid affairs, but one major factor has to be something like this: Women have become as men, and the flipped sexual polarity is warping every incentive structure of the dating market.
We’re tits-deep in the era of men and women competing like cheap date gladiators for the honor of most invulnerable animatronic ego maximizer.
One thing for certain: In this environment women are unhappy, society loses, and men with game win. Because if it’ll be about nothing but banging with piston-like efficiency and avoiding romantic entanglements, men will clean up the arena with the battered husks of women’s egos.

Sad indeed. Or just very very efficient. We live in robotic times.
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I like how one of the options the girls could pick was ‘“someone I would hook up with“’, free sex for all! (some) Too bad these girls arent starting families instead.
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Heh, those whores actually think a man of high quality is going to pay full price for used goods.
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Isn’t that what Hollywood has been teaching these (ahem) Pretty Women?
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What do you mean by robotic times?
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what really separates us from robots? our animal nature, which is to say our sexual nature. that is men as aggressive actors and women as submissive reactors, in general.
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Da GBFM and his colleagues conducted a study on 47 female undergraduates to find out. Each woman was told that several male students had viewed her Assbook profile and rated how much he’d like to get to know her binghozlzozlzo.
One group was told that they would be seeing the four men’s bunghozlzolzlo who had given them the highest ratings (“liked-most” condition). Another group of women were told that they would be seeing the four men’s buttz who had given their butthzozlziol average ratings (“liked-average” condition. Finally, another group of women (“the uncertain condition”) were told that it is unknown how much the guy likes her bung. The women then viewed four fictitious Facebook profiles of attractive bunghozlzizlzo male college students.
After they viewed the butt profiles, they reported their mood and rated multiple aspects of their attraction to the male students’ buttz (e.g., “someone I would let buttock me or whom i would buttocck with a strapon“). The participants then rated their mood again, and also reported the extent to which thoughts about the men had “popped into their head and made her butt and gina go tiznzgzlzlzlzlzo” during the prior 15 minutes.
They found evidence for the reciprocity principle: women liked the men’s buttholes more when they were led to believe that the men liked their bungz a lot compared to when they thought the men liked their buttholzizlzzo an average amount.
Women in the uncertain condition, however, were most attracted to the men’s assesz. Women also reported thinking about the men’s butthozlzi the most in the uncertain condition, and there was tentative evidence that the effect of uncertainty on attraction to da bing was explained by the frequency of their thoughts. In other words, it wasn’t the uncertainty per se that was attractive but the thoughts of butthetsual pleasurez it induced.
Interestingly, women in the best-liked-butt condition were in a more positive mood than women in the butt-liked-average condition, but women in the uncertain condition were no different in mood than women in the liked-best-butt condition. Women felt just as positive under uncertainty as they did knowing for sure the guy liked her butt!
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This study won’t surprise anyone who’s familiar with BF Skinner’s experiments with pigeons, where he got the most manic, obsessive lever-pecking behavior (literally) from his pigeons when the amount and timing of food reward was unknown. This is why people obsessively check their cell phones for new texts because they know eventually there will be a reward, but they don’t know how good the reward will be or when it will come.
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That is also why gambling is highly addictive. The reward payouts are sporadic and unpredictable keeping the gambler on edge and keyed up with adrenaline. You never know when the next turn of a card or pull of a slot lever will pay out big.
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Can you draw a graph for this? Some of us have aspergers and or Male Pattern Autism.
More graphs!
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This is why online dating is a fools errand.
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Yep. I did a good comment on this, and CH posted it a few weeks ago. The man with an online dating profile is automatically marked as “beta tryhard” just from being on there (he is looking for an LTR), even though the women are (obviously) on there too (but they don’t process that part of it).
Street game is where it’s at (not that I’m good at it). Women still need to feel like “it just happened–how funny!!!” which is why CH did a good post about saying “how strange we just met like this on the street corner!” to get the “fate” part of it into their pretty little heads.
Also, I’m telling you studs: asshole negs do NOT work on match.com, at least on on girls older than 28. They really are closer to beta bux stage at that point and looking for more beta.
Also can’t convey a smirk etc with emails.
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Actually online dating works excellently for attractive men. Out of curiosity I once made a dating ad with the picture of a very attractive man, and that ad received eager PMs from every attractive woman on the site.
Yes, meeting a woman in real life is better. But it’s a matter of logistics. When you reach age 26+, how many attractive women are single? Practically none. If you hit on them in the street, they will almost all be living with someone. You have to find other ways to find them, and just how many attractive single women can you find through your social circle? So yes, even though there are a lot of women online who are just looking for an ego boost, just like there are men online who are only looking for a one-night-stand while claiming otherwise (that frustrates women to no end when they think of online dating), it is still a legitimate venue for finding women. There are benefits and drawbacks with this venue, just like every other, but far more people find a partner online than at night clubs these days. People have full-time jobs and careers, and then have less time to go out fishing at night clubs. Their friends move in with girlfriends or wives and don’t want to do the wingman thing.
But of course, if you can’t put an attractive picture online, then online dating will seem like a fool’s errand. Online, women are far more picky about looks than men are.
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“When you reach age 26+, how many attractive women are single?”
The same amount as when you were 20. Seriously, what kind of 26 year old man actually goes after 26 year old girls? You get older. They stay the same age.
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Truth… but, most idiots out there expect men to date women their own age for some stupid reason. I’m in my early 30s, and that “rule” or social convention or whatever it is appears even dumber than it does at 26. In my own life, things are just starting to get good. But women my age… married, a divorce or two, kids, baggage up the wazoo, sometimes involving an ex they can’t get over… no thanks.
But the bulk of betas out there who go along with it keep it entrenched.
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Bro I’m the best looking guy to ever go online. I look like tom cruise. And I have good fun pics taken by my ex a pro photographer with a $20,000 lens.
And yes I get tons of 8s to email and meet me
They are all crazy and there is a reason they need to be on match. They don’t understand their own Hypergamy and confusion over what YKW taught them their entire lives.
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Online dating is the most efficient social innovation I have ever seen — if it’s done right. To me that means:
a. Know your market and target your appeals accordingly.
b. Be attractive and document that properly with the pictures.
c. Have accomplishments to quietly mention.
d. Be diffident (presume abundance, invoke female competitive instincts).
e. Be presumptively masculine.
f. Be wry, if not amusing.
And be this way, in truth, when you show up for the meet. You’ll have to turn off your profile, if you want to get anything else done (item c.) When I introduce myself according to this heuristic the response rate approaches 50%. I can’t do that at Starbucks. I’m older than you guys by a fair bit, but I’m dating women 15 – 20 years younger, and I don’t lie about my age.
One of the astonishing lessons I’ve learned in the past year was the impact of noting, in a gentlemanly way I guess, in my profile that “no one has ever accused me of being a submissive.” The woman who introduced herself to me two days ago said she had actually done a keyword search on “submissive”; she was quite sheepish about it, indicating that this is a medium where indoctrinated women feel safer acknowledging their true desires. In her next email she was describing her sexual history, needs, and contraception practices.
So I would say that online dating is only a waste of time if you have little to offer, are trying to play out of your league, or cannot write an effective paragraph. All three faults are those of the male aspirant, not the medium.
Again, I’m a lot older so I’m dating older and I do not have a preference for hook-up culture, so YMMV. But in my experience the verities of Game are most efficiently deployed online, as a complete picture can be presented to the maximum population with the smallest investment. If one can present a decent physical presence, some evidence of status, a functioning and entertaining brain, and an openness to an actual relationship, two things happen. First, you will not have enough evenings for the level of interest you’ll receive. Second, the panties will fly, and you’ll be turning down more than accepting, conjugal treats.
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BuenaVista is dropping knowledge, boys. Listen up.
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Well, said. I am also quite a bit older (50s), and when you are a middle-aged, divorced dad, there are not a lot of options. I have heard all kinds of complaints from men AND women about the low signal to noise ratio on various sites (and I’ve experienced this myself.) Beats being single though…
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So, I made the mistake of telling how I felt about a girl about a month in. I didn’t say “I love you” or anything, just that I felt strongly for her. It was totally my fault and I regret doing it. We’ve been seeing each other for three months now and things seem fine but I can kind of tell her interest may waver soon. She says she is afraid of going into another relationship because she got out of a three year relationship about 9 months ago. How can I possibly come back from this if at all?
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It’s over unless you can re-introduce some challenge for her, make her invest in and compete a little bit for your resources. If you do that while sounding frustrated or butthurt, you’ve nuked yourself. If you do that with an air of indifference, and if she ever had any attraction to you, and you leave her alone for a bit, she might circle back after the next guy. Then if you repeat cycle then, and make a plea for her affection again, you’re done. A 10:1 ratio of her statements of affection or interest, to yours, is my modest suggestion.
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i agree that there is damage done, but no sense in not at least making a practice run in case in the future you really want to save a relationship or regain control.
so i’m sure you know since you know your mistake, but whatever wavering she shows, you need to show even more. she’s a girl, she _will_ wonder what you’ve got going that is making you so indifferent. you can explicitly hint at it or cause it to come up with texts or whatever (that would be a service, no? $50, hot girl approaches you in bar, hugs, “where have you been?” etc)
at the root though, it’s a lot like game, fake it til you make it. you have to give off that indifference until you can actually _be_ indifferent. unfortunately, in order to keep her interested, you have to keep things interesting. you can’t be a steady, reliable guy unless she’s forty and you’re married. until then, she’s a cat and you just have to push-pull.
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@lazy bear
Please, don’t do this. You’re not going to learn anything from paying a girl $50 to hug you. Buying a ruse is not game. It sounds like your issue is you’re not high value enough, or projecting to her that you’re high value enough. Creating a fake scene isn’t go to change what’s inside of you that’s fucking shit up and just creates bad habits.
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that was an aside it’s not a real thing. but i do think seeing the effect of things on a girl is a good learning experience and i think he needs to learn is all. anyway i don’t totally disagree with you but it’s tough to say just change what inside you.
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at the root though, it’s a lot like game, fake it til you make it. you have to give off that indifference until you can actually _be_ indifferent.
“Fake it til you break it” is the more likely outcome for those who follow this feel-good trick. If you base your self-confidence on … nothing, if you don’t try to improve and think you will look cool just by believing you will, then enjoy your cold showers. Hitting the wall and understanding how little online feel-good bullshit benefits you in the real world will be enlightening for you. Maybe then you will start basing self-confidence on something like actual accomplishment. Of course, that takes time and is hard work, and that’s not what people want to hear today. No, bring on the easy solutions in between computer games and donuts.
Another favorite: “Peacocking! If you wear a huge hat and a feather boa you never have to work out! She will think that you have to have enormous value under the surface somewhere if you can go out looking like an idiot!”
You know what faking means? That you’re a fake. And sorry to say, women can smell fake a mile away, unless you’re a great actor, which you are not. If you really want to have real success you have to get off your lazy ass and actually put some effort into it. Improve your finances, improve your body, improve your social life. That’s a start.
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wait a minute, are there people that dont get the point of fake it til you make it?
one day I woke up and started thinking Im a cool, muscular, confident and attractive man. i was not, of course. but I was smart enough to think ‘hey muscular dudes go to the gym and eat lots of protein, right? so I guess I do to. confident dudes go after what they want and dont care when some random jerkoff or life situation give them shit, so I do too. attractive dudes know theyve always got plenty of women to have so dont sweat any given one too much, so neither do I’ eventually Im not faking it anymore.
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Yes. There are a lot of people who fail to “get the point” of fake it til you make it.
You actually have to take massive action to successfully “fake it.”
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“Improve your finances, improve your body, improve your social life. That’s a start.”
I’m only commenting on this minute. As I said, if it’s a lost cause then why not make it a learning experience. But he’s in the relationship at this moment. Those improvements do take time. Implied in faking it til you make it is that at some point you actually make it.That doesn’t mean on day one you can’t see what having made it would sort of look like in action.
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Posts like this are why me talking about “who can care less” being gay isn’t a strawman. You auto-assume he’s made a mistake by declaring his feelings for a woman. Smacks of third grade confused faggotry. This hand-wringing pussy reaction to himself constitutes the whole of his “mistake.”
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Well said. Such blubbery … Own up to yourself, dude – and LEAD.
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“…hot girl hugs you…” Didnt I see this on” Three’s Company” once?
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Pull back. Whatever you’re doing, do 1/4 of it.
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The lazy bear:
Maxim #35: Never trust a woman’s advice on how to please women. Her advice is designed for alpha men she already finds attractive and from whom she seeks signals of attainability and commitment.
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Maxim #36: A woman’s sex and relationship advice isn’t meant to help men; it’s meant to distract men from what really works to attract women.
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Pulling back doesn’t work in this scenario. She returns and same problem. He still hasn’t won her over with who he is. Pulling back can cause a temporary attraction spike, but it’s not a long term solution. Pulling back is an appropriate strategy if she won him over and then she does something fucked up. My suggestions are below.
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I’m not suggesting he go away completely. Just reduce the amount of attention so she worries HE might be losing interest. Even if we’re lukewarm about a guy and he’s acting beta, feeling like he’s suddenly not worshipping us anymore is an ego blow.
Your suggestion is better, but if he’s really passive in the bedroom suddenly doing what you suggest might freak her out. Maybe start out a little tamer with the sexual dominance.
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Here’s what’s up. Really sounds like a sexual problem, if so requires a sexual solution. I’m not a big fan of muzzling text frequency to appear less interested. I believe it’s a form of sexual repression and is physiologically deleterious. If he needs to pull back on texting, make it real and find other broads to text. Don’t suppress the libido.
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After three months it’s not about something you said.
perhaps you need to have another woman text you at an inappropriate time. I liked that Sinatra joke. An excellent plan. It’s probably a great way to extend the longevity of a relationship. Get a hot man or woman to approach at the right moment and then curtly dismiss them in front of your girl.
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How do you know her attraction is going to waver soon? That possibly is just in your head. You didn’t do anything wrong by being honest about really liking her. Just let her say it to you next time.
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She has told me on multiple occasions EARLY on that she really likes me and she is “excited to see where this path takes us”.
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Dude, action is character. Phuck what she says.
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… and character is fate.
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And fate is a woman, and if you wish to keep her under it is necessary to beat and ill-use her.
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She organized a trip for both of us to go on two months from now, and has bought me things without me even asking or hinting within two months of us seeing each other.
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Pull her hair, call her a whore and nut on her face. Then wait for her to reach out.
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Has she told you on multiple occasions, “you really know how to fuck.” ?
I’d be more on the look out for that one.
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“Excited to see where this path takes us,” is what someone says when they make partner at a law firm.
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Or he’s fucking Oprah!
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Find another girl and make it plain you’re looking.
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@lazy bear
Next time you’re intimate with her, tell her she sucks dick like a whore and nut on her face. She probably thinks you don’t have it in you. Be nice and cuddly when you wipe it off, and snuggle with her. You don’t have to play mind games to counter balance your sensitive side if you are sexually dominant. I always tell girls I love them first, it’s never a problem.
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I would try a display of sexual dominance in the bedroom at first. I don’t really know what goes on between you two in that department, but you sound fucking wimpy. If that doesn’t turn things around BlackPoisonSoul has the right idea. Text her that something doesn’t seem right in the relationship, and don’t reply to any response for a good two months. And then she can only be a fuck buddy until she proves her worth as a girlfriend.
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Also you’ve misconstrued telling her your feelings with being a fucking bad ass in her eyes. Like, I know successful players who like the girls they pick up and tell them when they first meet them at a party, “I really could fall in love with you.” You probably need to work on yourself and be a little more compelling. Sounds like it isn’t what you said, more like who you are.
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“Strong feelings” for a girl who spent three years getting plowed by another man?
What about the one cock rule?
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You want to find a virgin, Anon? What century do you live in?
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This century is what we will make of it. I decree that there shall be chaste women to pursue … in twenty years.
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You know, they aren’t popping out already plowed by dicks even today.
Anon didn’t say don’t plow the plowed… he questioned the “strong feelings” aspect of it.
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Take it as a loss and move on, or adopt a mentality that will generate questions like, “This broad is gonna lose my attention if she displeases me”, rather than, “How can I possibly come back from this if at all?”.
It’s your world, she’s just livin’ in it.
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The fact that you are obsessing about this = you pretty much apologizing for yourself and your feelings (whatever you did) = being a bitch.
Stop giving a fuck what she thinks. Why do you regret expressing how you feel? Quit apologizing for yourself, brah.
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The mere fact that she’s trying to slow down the relationship even though you have (presumably) fucked her is fucked up. It’s indicative of the fact that you’ve probably tried to get too relationship-y and boyfriend-like with her, too soon.
It’s not what you say, it’s how you act that really counts. That’s always true for a man.
Another problem I sense is that you aren’t even approaching/meeting other girls.
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Yeah, rather than getting twisted and overthinking matters, just go interact with other women and break out of the cage of doubt and regret. This will immediately transform your attitude with the woman you’re discussing, and probably in a very beneficial way.
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“She says she is afraid of going into another relationship because she got out of a three year relationship about 9 months ago.”
Sounds to me like she wants to (p)lay the field. It could be that your role is “the rebound guy”, that is, random dick to wipe the slate of the old one. It’s not a long term position.
Just kidding. As we know, women never objectify or use men.
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She sounds like an awful person… forget her. The only kind of person who “sees” someone for months and then balks at an admission of feelings is someone who was using you.
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2 points for low energy, indirect game.
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“i.e., you lavish too much beta wooing on a woman — there’s no chance to come back from that category error.”
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lzozlozlzozlzl This is true. And my dumb beta ass can give you about 50 examples from the past 20 years as proof.
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MGTOW out…
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Coming around? I believe most people know genuine confident indifference signals power. Hence the joke where a guy asks Franks Sinatra to introduce himself later on to him and his wife and when Frank does the guy says “go away can’t you see I’m talking to my wife?
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From the Fine 47 Princesses’ perspective:
Category 1: That man is attractive, and he says “She’s hot!” It’s good that he recognizes my innate hotness. And he’s hot! I wonder if he’s TKE. I’ll ask Ginny, she goes to all their mixers. I need to get moving on this guy before she does. She’s fat, anyway, she doesn’t deserve him like I do.
Therefore, “I want.”
Category 2: That man is attractive, and he says “She’s okay, I guess.” Who the fuck is he? I’m hot! He’s not so hot. (Well, maybe a little.) He’s probably cheap and has a small dick. And somebody puh-leeze teach these guys how to buy jeans. I’m not feeling like a Princess here.
Therefore, “He’s okay, I guess.” (Is that him over there by the foosball table? What’s he doing talking to Ginny?)
Category 3: That man is attractive, and he says, “I’m going climbing this weekend and picking up the Porsche from the paint shop.” WTF? Does he understand the point of this exercise? (He climbs? I bet that dude has shoulders like coiled rope and a butt as hard as a basketball.) (Porsches: ewww, what a cliche. Probably uses it to pick up secretaries. I wonder if it’s a 997?) But I want to feel like a Princess and ride with the top down! (I wonder if he’s taking a girl with him. Should I take that indoor wall course? He’s not taking Ginny is he?)
Therefore, “He’s being a dick with his answer. What makes him so cool? I deserve more attention from guys like that, I’m entitled to it. Ginny can fucking take a number, watch this.”
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Speaking of TKE:
There’s actually a great neg at 1:39.
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frat boys. not guys.
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Why does he use feminine vocal fry? He seems like the male equivalent of valley girl. WTF?
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The individual attractiveness of the females in the study and how they are aware of their own market value would add an interesting co-relative factor to the study.
Those drumming chicks at Sochi, how fucking hot is that.
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“The gradient of this Uncaring Male-Loving Female curve is steep at the beginning of a relationship (courtship, dating) and levels off as the relationship deepens, to a point where the man’s SMV is noticeably higher than his lover’s and she is practically begging for romantic beta signs of his continued love and commitment.”
Ok, but you acknowledge that he does need to give SOME of those romantic beta signs of his continued love and commitment, right? Yes, of course she should have to work for it.
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Yes. SOME … Given begrudgingly and unexpectedly – for best effect.
NOT an easy thing to do when love and commitment are actually involved.
Especially if she’s working for it.
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“They found evidence for the reciprocity principle: women liked the men more when they were led to believe that the men liked them a lot compared to when they thought the men liked them an average amount.”
And this surprised me. Wouldn’t you think the women would be more attracted to the men who thought they were just average, vs. the men who liked them a lot?
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Liking alot can be made to come across as assertive to some extent: I want you. Average comes across as a mixed signal: He thinks I’m average attractive because he doesn’t have a shot? Why bother with him.
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What are the attractiveness levels of the women?
My guess is that the reciprocity principle applies unevenly, according to the attractiveness of the woman. Hotter women, the more you need to show you like them right off the bat. I know this is heretical to game theories.
Here is why I think this…
For most men: Higher female attractiveness = less confidence baked into the approach of the high attractive mean = reliance on indirect game/ploys + guarding against the feeling of loss
My experience tells me that women who are very attractive need game that is direct and immediate. This is because the women are so hot they make nearly every man feel insecure about not being able to obtain then. These same men start fearing they might fuck up the interaction and lose their shot with a really hot girl.
So many guys want a controlled cocktail party environment where they can kick back and have women appreciate them for their wry sense of humor, their job, or where they went to school. They pretend they’re not into the woman, and then go for the number. There are exceptions, but really hot girls tend not to have time for this bullshit pattern.
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^ Ya. “Surprise I have a penis” is stupid.
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“My experience tells me that women who are very attractive need game that is direct and immediate. This is because the women are so hot they make nearly every man feel insecure about not being able to obtain then.”
True in a face to face meet. But this experiment wasn’t game. These guys are just rating profiles. A hot girl expects that all the guys rate her high and are interested based on her pics. Whether they have enough game to approach doesn’t matter at this point, they’re just indicating interest. The guys who vote average interest, she’s thinking wth is the deal here. These guys think I’m average? Immediate higher status even if it’s just temporary.
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point taken
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Not many sparks are generated in knowing he only thinks you’re okay looking.
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Exactly…if a woman likes you, and you look into her eyes and say “you’re fucking hot”, believe me she will feel an attraction spike.
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You wouldn’t understand, but your erotic desire is narcissistic in nature. In other words, you do get turned on when men get turned on by you. Especially high SMV men, and in this case, attractive looking men.
It’s all about tingles with y’all, you know?
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Humanoid of undetermined sex whines that its MA in women’s studies left it in hock and unemployed. kaching.tumblr.com/post/753955909… #OwnGoal
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I threw up a post on the yesterday’s thread late. Scray got it rolling though I’m looking for more people’s take here:
GF of 2 years went out with her gf to a bar last night. im cool with that as she always goes dt when im bouncing weekends.
i asked her who she met up with and she hesitated, looked away, then said that it was a few guys from her work (popular steakhouse) and a girl from there.
turns out she was texting one of the guys a few nights back when we were watching Blade Runner. i asked who that was and she said it was a guy from work. she met up with that guy, and a few others, at the pub last night. apparently this guy isn’t much to look at or whatever – that isn’t the point.
point is she did this behind my back, lack of communication, hiding shit etc.
so i said her tonight isn’t a good night, and told her to leave my pad.
i’ve had issues in the past with this. no cheating obviously but hiding shit most definitely. always having to ask what she did the night before blah blah. her excuse to that was i wasn’t texting her last night, when really i texted her once at midnight and 130am.
how long should i soft next. v-day is in tomorrow and couldn’t care less. we haven’t fucked in roughly 5-6 days.
also, an article I just came across on blame whitey game!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443770
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soft next 1 week then use massive jealousy game on her. let it be known you’re gaming 3 other chicks and any one of them is DTF at your call. if she’s not begging for your cock after that, dump her ass.
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Lol…no. She’s a woman. She’s gonna flirt with other guys. It makes her feel good, let her have her fun. She will love you more for it. You will have less drama in your life if you accept this instead of try to ban the behavior and punish her. If she is doing it a ton as some sort of medicinal behavior to make up for a lack of intimacy, it’s because you suck, not her.
I’m not buying your declaration that you don’t care about Valentine’s. Those are words of a fake tough guy. You wouldn’t be posting here for advice otherwise.
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i’d agree if they werent dating for 2 fcking years. if they were dating for 2 months it’d be different
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After two years she’s going to get MORE excited when a guy texts her. No need to punish her for her nature. He’s clearly feeling threatened and doesn’t have the balls to be chill.
Like my girl’s will tell me they’re hanging at an NFL player’s hotel room and plat me the voice mail. You can’t fall for that shit. It’s whatever, that’s cool. They come back I’d they love you. If it’s really an issue she doesn’t love him. and being the draconian guy isn’t going to solve the problem. It’s being the awesome guy.
Clearly he isn’t that guy and his relationship is over.
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You speak as though every woman on the planet has extremely high SMV. It’s not as though she could have done better than THO two years ago and didn’t out of the goodness of her charitable heart.
In two years, her SMV has gone down and his has gone up. That’s highly likely.
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His smv has gone up? Clearly it hasn’t. The market doesnt lie. That’s why she’s entertaining other men. The smv concept your talking about works in theory, but doesn’t account for 1) insecurity, which plummets smv in a man and 2) mate to mate sexual attraction, which also drops after a number of years or even months, naturally. Don’t you have an MGTOW meeting to attend?
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* 1) doesn’t account for fluctuatuons in an individual’s state. If he loses confidence like our barbarian in question here, his smv drops. The concept itself is a generalized interpretation of smv, and the incline and decline shows a lot more intra period volatility for a real life individual.
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I don’t get it.
On on the one hand, alphas wouldn’t put up any flirting business because she’s essentially tooling him and he’s also allowing other men to horn in on his “territory”.
On the other hand, some alphas are super laid back and couldn’t care less how many guys she flirts with or fucks because he’s not attached to his woman and he knows he has another thousand women lined up to fuck him.
Which is it?
Does an alpha call his women out on her shit and defend his territory or do they sit back and not give a fuck because they’re so fucking confident?
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Honestly comes down to scarcity and abundance. If you had 10 girls of equal hotness begging to have your babies/fuck you/whatever you want….how would you treat this one girl?
That’s your answer.
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If it’s any help, I have a girl at home, and I just go out whenever I want. Like it’s 11pm, hey I’m going out babe. Sometimes I come back at 4am. I might even crash somewhere else from time to time. I’ll actually call up multiple girls and go out without my primary, just to flirt, have hot girls around, and maybe set up sex. They all know I’m in an LTR. I feel like a pimp when I do this. Last week went out with groups of girls, and just me twice while my girl was at home.
With regards to my girl, my headspace is this…to my primary: call up your sluttiest girlfriend and go out, babe. just the two of you. Go have fun and be a woman. Please go out and flirt with some guys. I’m thinking, go fuck a guy if you have to. I don’t really want to know about it, but have fun with your girls and enjoy yourself. So yah, I don’t give a fuck, because I don’t believe she’s looking to replace me.
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??? Pimp game? No judgment, but you have to admit it’s unusual to be ok with your girl having sex with other men. I swear to God I will never understand the mindset of the girls in this situation. I’m a little envious.
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@ Amy
They do it because they love their daddy. He is their manager.
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In my opinion it’s your personal insecurity that’s driving you to try to control your woman. You get way more pussy in life telling girls you don’t care what your wife does, if you are truly alpha and have multiple partners.
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So my advice is don’t play games, have confidence in yourself, and say I don’t care when she texts a guy. Your protectionism and jealousy actually makes you look weak to her.
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darkhorse – you disappoint me, bud. i’m in a monogamous ltr. i’m not going to allow her to flirt with other guys because it makes her feel like a special snowflake. and lol yes dear, i couldn’t care less about vagintines day.
Ted’s advice I’ll take.
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Happy to disappoint you with the truth.
Monogamy is a lie. That’s why you have a fucked up relationship and are resorting to control tactics. The sooner you come to terms with the truth, and arrange your life in accordance with the truth, the easier your life gets, no question.
Your asking to solve for an equation that isn’t even an equation in the first place.
If you want to try other ways of life that have no basis of truth, I recomme nd following any major religion or getting deep into astrology.
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monogamy ain’t a lie when you’re the only chimp left standing on shit mountain
“letting a girl flirt” is 100% chance of cuckoldry, OPie either needs to next or stop getting on blade runner phaggey time, bitches don’t know about them androids.
50 shades dat ho and get those dominance cues up if its worth keeping
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You sound like you like licking other men’s cum out of your girl’s pussy.
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i blade ran her because it’s not ‘she’s out of my league’ and for her, she digs harrison ford.
sex is least of my worries. i’m dominant as fuck and have zero concerns. lessons learned.
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@ quorasdesignatedasshole
whom are you referring to
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btw texted her before i posted this – did it tonight
take her out: we need to talk
her: okay? what are ya saying?
take her out: my place 1230
her: naa, i’m staying at ***** tonight. something happened with her mom. thought you were saying ya needed to talk now.
needless to say i won’t text back.
initiate soft next
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@ quorasasshole
Nice insult. No, I fuck other dude’s girls while my bitch is at home. Ice in my veins. I’m the guy texting this loser’s girl while he’s plotting to “soft next” her to win her back lol. And the sick part is, girls love me for this shit.
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“I like have sex with women I whose company I enjoy.”
~darkhorse, yesterday
hate to do it to you but you’re going to have to up your cognitive dissonance levels or embrace your inner sperg to claim cold blooded in this vipers den of psychopaths
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@ blocksanity
When you start having confidence in yourself, and in your ability to draw boundaries that protect you from “vipers” and “psychopaths”, you might start viewing women more as allies rather than as enemies. And when these allies pledge allegiance to your cock, it makes everything that much more fun. Sorry you’ve had a rough time with them recently. It’s your own fault. I hope you are willing to heal.
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Seems like the ultimate in inner game is letting it all go, tho. You must radically accept yourself. I mean, imagine how free you’d live your life if you just knew you were the greatest of all time. These things your woman does to you, the reason that you anguish over them has nothing to do with her. It has everything to do with how you view yourself. It’s ego protection.
You honestly wouldn’t give a shit if she was a virgin or if she was with X or Y before you. You’d just let go of all that bullshit and focus on living and loving your life.
Sounds like a good headspace to me.
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Seems like the ultimate in inner game is letting it all go, tho. You must radically accept yourself. I mean, imagine how free you’d live your life if you just knew you were the greatest of all time.
Exactly. This is how a street pimp lives life. You can fuck my girl, but you can never really have her, and you’re just a trick. She has no feelings for you and I’m taking your money, sucker.
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Ya, you’ll never have her, but you’ll never need her. It’s an attractive idea, and yeah…..one day I hope I’m there. Maybe by the time I hit 30.
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Just my 2 cents – you write like she’s wronged you in some way. But did she? So what if she texted some guy, chicks love texting, they love attention & orbiters. Even if she’d been in a 2 year relationship with George Clooney she’d still have been texting that guy back during Bladerunner.
The fact that you want to punish her for it, makes me think that you view the guy as a threat more than as an orbiter. Either that or you’re incredibly strict (insecure) about what is right & wrong in a relationship. Whichever one it is, you have to realise that your thinking is the problem. You’re lowering your own SMV just through your worldview. Just chill. Let her text her orbiters, you enjoy the film. Let her go and drink with orbiter & co, you go flirt with chicks or hit the gym or whatever.
Probing her about who’s texting her (even once), or punishing her for that kind of stuff (she WILL work out why you’ve soft-nexted and it WILL look butthurt) is effectively handing her a plate with a pile of your SMV on it & asking her to flush it down the toilet, whilst also giving her pedestal to stand on – right in the centre of your world.
You should end the relationship before she does, but for the right reasons – because you need to work on yourself.
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@ Plumnuts
she goes out without me because I work 1-930, train till midnight, go home, eat, prepare for the next day – maybe have an hour for whatever, then bed.
Again, I didn’t mind her texting the guy back and forth, I didn’t so much mind the meet up with the guy – it’s her not telling me. she did not tell me. i had to get it out of her.
she told me she was out with her gf – not with other people from her workplace. again, if I pulled that shit she’d be mad as fuck.
I just didn’t like it.
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seriously bro, it is obvious you are not giving her good enough gina tingles.
my gf has 5000 “friends” on facebook, and as a result has 100s of orbiters, but she completely ignores them because she is dedicated to pleasing me, because I make sure she gets mind blowing sex every time. My gf would never text another guy.
Your girl is texting other guys to line up her escape.
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@Trev
He’s a lost cause man. He’s a square who is trying to conveniently use some elements of game to force an ideal outcome…for a square. He’s not really in the game.
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That certainly appears to be the case.
He seems desperate to keep her(indication of beta), and just the fact that she is texting other guys while in his company is an indication of his failure as a boyfriend.
I thought at first he might be trolling, but he seems legit, I feel a bit sorry for him.
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Re: the national review article.
“Where there are more men than women on a campus, on the other hand, it’s men who have to compete, so women can successfully make things move more slowly physically.”
This is a non sequitur that the feminist apologists desperately want to believe in. Its not a product of sex ratios that makes women slow to fuck,, its belief in chastity. No matter what sex ratio, women go slow when they are expected to be chaste.
More men just means bigger harems of orbiting sluts for the most powerful guys. More men means less payoff from traditionally higher career pursuits, and more payoff from competition for competitions sake.
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Regarding the National Review article. Any article talking about the dating woes, of women in the 18-22 age range, is very suspect.
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Thank you CH for the distinction between Caring vs. Uncaring A**holishness.
I never really thought of it much until you mentioned it.
-So the Caring version is worse because it adds up to more Insecure and Needy, then; aka: poontang-kryptonite?
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There is a post dedicated to the distinction between to two in the archives.
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Being domineering and uptight is the beta version of asshole. Women stay away in droves. You can see newbs confusing “order her around” asshole techniques with “assume the sale” asshole techniques. Fatal error.
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“The girl was pleading my employees to let him go then tried to have the officers release him but they arrested him because he was on parole.”
Cholo beats his girlfriend in my store. taken down by employees.
P.S.: The comments are hilarious:
“I never get why girls stay with abusive guys because they `love them`. There are billions of other dudes in this world that would drill a pussy in a heartbeat.”
lollzzollzz
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nuances of psychopathy http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/can_a_psychopath_learn_feel_pain
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“A study that came out this year used fearless dominance as the main psychopathic outcome variable. But look at all of our presidents. It turns out that ones that have the highest psychopathic traits—if we look at fearless dominance—were Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, FDR, Bill Clinton. The ones with the very low psychopathy were like Jimmy Carter—the mensches. If you look at the psychopathic trait, it lines up very well with what people consider leadership.”
Look at that.
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Women created this.
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Now that Janet Yellen is FOMC Chairman are Feminists going to blame any drop in the market on the patriarchy?
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Ya cuz she’s a manlady.
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She got that jewboy from Israel to tell ehr what to do
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Notwithstanding the validity of the results of these studies, this is not “science.” Science is F=MA. These studies are just social observation. There is nothing these people uncover that was not known to whole of civilization anytime before 1980 or so. Consider how much money is being wasted on voyeuristic studies by “sex experts.” Many of these little projects are funded with taxes. It’s insane. We are paying millions to have a bunch of mediocre professors in the social sciences rediscover what was known as wisdom and experience before the Fall.
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Observation is also science when done right. Science isn’t only experiments. But yes, the professors in sociology today aren’t doing much real science, as that field has been occupied by left-wing extremists who use it to quote Marx, Marcuse, Dworkin and other communists and who only employ their own.
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I think you got the formula wrong. Science is B<====8. GBFM told me so.
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“Women felt just as positive under uncertainty as they did knowing for sure the guy liked her!”
The solipsistic hamster strikes again! Any uncertainty means that her princessitude requires that the guy likes her. She’ll rationalize in favor of this all day long!
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One of the big CH concepts in the NRO article is the axiom that when it comes to hook-ups, men tend to regret missed opportunities from the past, while women tend to regret their indulgences. The author acknowledges that for today’s male, career prospects are no longer necessary to wed, or even bed, lovely ladies, but he misconstrues the reason for this change. He imagines that it is due to the surge in females on campus, reasoning that women now must lower their standards to get attention from the scarce campus males. The true reason that money has become trivial to attracting college chicks is that the college/feminist/entitlement industry insulates women from the immediate fallout of hypergamous up-slutting, consequences which were formerly obvious at far sooner stages in a girl’s life. ’50’s chicks didn’t need the wall to scare them into matrimony, because institutional slut-shaming and customary job discrimination favoring males guaranteed that most women wanted to settle early with a comfortable beta.
One more theme the article highlights is the relative triviality of a man’s looks (he says that hitting the gym is not as necessary in contexts where there are fewer men). This is an implicit nod to game but he attributes it to a scarcity issue when in reality it is an issue of women digging alphas.
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CH, test your game :P: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547901/Gay-daughter-Hong-Kong-billionaire-offered-80million-man-married-writes-open-letter-saying-Daddy-accept-I-lesbian.html
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hey Maya
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Nice and sensible
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tl;dr: Anger toward women via feminism is counter-productive; they are merely vessels. Anger toward those who engineered feminism, while simultaneously knowing the score of human sexual dynamics, can be very productive, indeed.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this guy is a CH reader. Decent discussion of the origins of feminism. Zombie and thwack might appreciate. Even a line for GBFM. Strange bedfellows.
Why does this matter for men in the manosphere? Why not just rail about how rotten is the female obligation placed on men that permeates Western culture, and then learn game to get laid despite all that?
Well, the reason has far more to do with the sexual self-interests of the manosphere readership than one may at first surmise. The best way to get tail, is to love tail. Best way to get anything is to love that thing. But upon taking the red pill and learning how malevolent are the lies that men have been fed since childhood, it becomes all too easy (and predictable) for those men to allow their biological energy to be channeled into anger towards women and the entire infrastructure that supports their interests over the interests of men, and rightly so.
However, this has a (planned) corrosive and destructive effect on the bonds between men and women, something that is in neither of those class’s self-interests.
Upon awakening to the reality that women of the West have been turned toxic by a deliberate and well-funded strategy to effect precisely those results, men can begin to have empathy for ALL the targets of this scourge, allowing them to let themselves love the opposite sex again, while still maintaining their newly-manosphere-learned boundaries against programmed improper behavior by women.
In fact, explaining to women the truth of feminism’s origin is usually enough to neutralize their feminist machinations. They will respect you for knowing what’s up, and for having the FULL set of facts to support your position. You will become a safe harbor in which she can be her true feminine self without having to look over her shoulder at risk that she is not following her culturally imposed programming.
This is a far greater outcome for each individual manosphere man than simply chucking everything that he holds dear regarding his sex opposite, because then he can still exercise the love that is native to his heart, without the programmed unregulated anger, while still employing all he has learned in the manosphere.
It is patently the job of man to guard his hearth against invaders—whether physical or ideological. Women are rightfully disgusted by men who have swallowed the poison that will destroy their own genetic legacy. In that regard, they are (unconsciously) doing us a service.
To the guys trying to execute an end run around this truth—you’ll achieve results in the short term, but the race is long, said the tortoise to the hare.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if this guy is a CH reader.
That is Bill Whittle – no mistaking those creepy black eyes. This video makes good points, but on his own channel he makes some points conservatives will agree with, and then steers them toward the neocons. Who, incidentally, have mass immigration as their one domestic policy that must not be questioned. I do not think Bill Whittle would read CH. But yes, the points in this video are good, showing how the communists in the Frankfurt School applied their “oppressors vs. oppressed” lying explanation of history to social issues, not just economics.
For those who don’t know of this example yet, look at hos MSNBC showed a brief clip of a man with an AR-15 hanging over his back and a handgun by his hip at a Tea Party meeting, only showing him from the back, and editing out his head and hands so people can’t see that he is Black, Starts at 02:00 in this video: the lying woman in the MSNBC studio say that this has “racial overtones. Here you have a man of color in the presidency, and White people with guns strapped to their waists”. He was Black, not White. He was also articulate in his criticism of Obama, in the brief interview they edited out.
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It’s a testament that so many well-meaning people are corralled into the camp of neocons. It shows that they viscerally want change, but haven’t the slightest clue where to channel that energy. That’s why I gave this guy a mark of “decent” rather than “good” or “great.”
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neocons. Who, incidentally, have mass immigration as their one domestic policy that must not be questioned.
Ironically, Billy Kristol has turned harshly anti-amnesty. Perhaps he’s kinda figured out that importing millions of democrats isn’t really a good idea.
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Importing millions of anti-white socialists is what the Jews have been trying to accomplish for 100 years. Neocons are Jewish controlled opposition, and BK is simply doing his duty as a chosenite. What does he care, he’s a millionaire and can make aliyah like all the rest if/when the vibrancy becomes too enriching.
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“When women think of assholes they don’t want to date, they’re thinking of caring assholes. The kind of men who are clingy, mate guarding buffoons.”
It’s all relative. If there’s a girl I get to know who’s a level or two below me, she winds up wanting me. And the fact that I don’t care if she walks makes her want me more.
If there’s a girl I get to know who my equal or a level above me, I want her. The fact that I care sends her screaming for the hills.
The problem isn’t really the above dynamic. The problem is that the value of women has been artificially inflated via various society killing bullshit.
In the past, a normal man who is a 7 in the could reasonably expect reciprocation from a woman who is a 7 or 6. Now a 7-man has to fight like a dog for fucking 4s and 5s.
Patriarchy aka civilization aka structural alpha-ness is the only answer.
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Game corrects the imbalance you’re describing.
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Depends upon how you’d define 7.
A man who you’d think is 7 but is pre selected by 9s is a 10 for other 9s and 8s.
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world class athlete game: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1957982-us-snowboarder-jamie-anderson-says-tinder-is-next-level-in-olympic-village?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_c3
lzozlzozll well the winter games are a joke and most of them are not world class athletes, but you get my point
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Feminism equals Christianity plus Marxism. Women love it, you cant sell sand in the Sahara or cheat an honest man or woman. Shrug. Women are what they are. They ought to get the men they want good and hard.
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Says the cryptojew.
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lzlozlzozllzo
No, Jen, you look old because you are old.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2558812/Jennifer-Aniston-ditches-extensions-embraces-bob-despite-believing-makes-look-old.html
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Shouldn’t the feminists be jumping all over her? What’s wrong with being old, Jen? And you’re only 45, Jen. What does Jen have against 65 year old grandmothers and graceful aging? Could it be that Jen is childless and still wants to look like she’s a 25 year old carousel rider?
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It does make her look older, though. Short hair will NEVER make a woman look younger. Short hair will NEVER be more attractive to men than long hair. Why women fight this basic truth is totally beyond me.
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Amy
It does make her look older, though. Short hair will NEVER make a woman look younger. Short hair will NEVER be more attractive to men than long hair.
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If you are a girl with a pretty or cute face, long hair only distracts from it. Thats why on their wedding day, women often have their hair “out of the way”; as a way to keep all focus on their face.
In addition, the groom is not allowed to see her face on that day and her face is covered as she walks down the aisle and is then revealed to him for the vows.
She has basically wrapped herself up like a gift for him; and that night he’s gonna open it, enjoy it and see that it is good.
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Never has a woman been so famous for hair! So much has been written about women with short hair. I think a lot of people overlook the reason for it: the quality is just not the same as that of a young person. So, older women go for short dos that display nicer newly grown hair. Not all of us have stylists and professional products or go the fake hair route that drive up the illusion of what kind of hair is possible for aging women.
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That’s a legit point about how female hair ages, but as for young chicks cutting off their hair, that is straight up sin. The way that young and beautiful actresses are somehow coached into getting short hairdos is a deliberate attempt to continue the steady blurring of sex differences and uphold equalism/interchangeability.
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“that is straight up sin”
Agreed! The same goes for young girls dying their hair or that very weird combover bang look. If only they wouldn’t try so hard, they’d look beautiful 🙂
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You know what else is real and works? Nervous guy game:
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2014/02/12/nervous-guy-game/
True story.
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It does work, and it’s how I ran ‘game’ BCH. First impressions are important, and it doesn’t set a great frame though (shy, chasing instead of confident, aloof). Still – you stand out from the > 90% of guys who never approach strangers.
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“cheap date gladiators”
LOLOL “You’re gonna hear me ROAR!!!” 🙂
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Im a hamster here me rore!
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You’re gonna hear me squueeeeakkkk!
Squeee eeek eeek eek eeeaaakk!
Squeee eeek eeek eek eeeaaakk!
(Nah, just doesn’t have the same ring 🙂 )
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“Because if it’ll be about nothing but banging with piston-like efficiency and avoiding romantic entanglements, men will clean up the arena with the battered husks of women’s egos.”
And yet it doesn’t work like this in practice. How many hot chicks who are “battered husks” have you met? What good are your triumphant theories if there is no evidence of them actually taking place in reality all around us?
[CH: Only a shut-in could imagine that women are emotionally resilient to the ravages of constant pump and dumps.]
The truth is that all women want romance.
[No shit. Never said otherwise.]
Banging with “piston-like efficiency” is merely a strawman that you use to cover up your failure to find the romance with hot women that you crave.
[False premise. You should re-read the post for comprehension. It sounds like you didn’t understand a lick of it.]
But the solution is not demonizing hot women or better-looking or more successful men. The solution is working on and improving yourself.
I know my advice will fall on deaf ears. You’ve been doing this for so long — and being so successful with it (though, ironically, PUA success is not the kind of success that women value)
[Wrong. Players are like rich men… they just keep getting richer.]
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Women in the uncertain condition, however, were most attracted to the men.
The man who cares least earns the most love
Probably gonna get blasted, but I don’t view the first statement as implying the second. If you just always act how you feel toward someone, you’ll generate the same excitement…because some days you care, some days you don’t.
The study shows a clear hierarchy of desirable outcomes:
women liked the men more when they were led to believe that the men liked them a lot compared to when they thought the men liked them an average amount.
So unpredictable, like her, don’t like her…in that order.
Like I said, outcome independence =/= demonstrating that you don’t care about her. If you care about her and want to show it, show it. If you don’t that day, then don’t. It’s all about how YOU feel and what YOU want to do.
[CH: You’re overthinking this and knocking down strawmen of your own creation. PS Yes, many womanizers really don’t care all that much about the women they bang. Yet they have no trouble convincing women otherwise.]
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No quarrel with the fact that a lot of womanizers don’t give two shits about who they rut with. I take issue with that, but that’s like….a self-improvement thing rather than a game thing.
And I know you keep saying it’s a strawman because you get the difference between ‘doing nothing,’ and ‘refraining from emotional investment in the outcome.’ But I mean….have you seen the comments section? A lot of guys routinely confuse the two and will actively try-hard in their pursuit of “caring less.”
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thats because except for a few, you all are Betas Getting Better(tm) being taught by naturals how to act like naturals until something sticks.
youall are fighting your own natures.
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If you haven’t deleted Facebook already, here’s reason #4,873 …
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/13/tech/social-media/facebook-gender-custom/index.html
It’s like a money pit for your masculinity, you just keep throwing those pearls before swine and hoping eventually something good will come of it.
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Oh for fuck’s sake. CH could have a field day with this:
http://elitedaily.com/life/culture/the-actual-difference-between-women-who-are-hot-and-who-are-beautiful/
“They [ed: men] have been programmed to believe that any woman with a sculpted body and perky breasts is attractive.
What about the women who don’t want to indulge in the male fantasy? What about the women who just want to wear comfortable sweaters and flats? What about the women who don’t dress to impress the opposite success, but instead, to just feel good in their own skin? Isn’t there attractiveness in that? Isn’t there an appeal to that sense of confidence?”
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You shouldn’t be an uncaring man.
You should be a caring man…but it comes out through your actions and not through your emotions.
I love women…that doesn’t mean I like them.
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I can sign on to being a caring man, at least. Look at that, me and earl agree about a small part of something.
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We’re not so different…you and I.
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They are legalising gay marriages in some ungodly places. Take a stroll, you two.
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They found evidence for the reciprocity principle: women liked the men more when they were led to believe that the men liked them a lot compared to when they thought the men liked them an average amount.
Women in the uncertain condition, however, were most attracted to the men.
So women were attracted to the men in this order:
1. Men whose interest is uncertain
2. Men who are very interested
3. Men who are mildly interested
That might seem strange but it isn’t. The women like the men whose interest is uncertain because it seems those men have a lot of other options, and that is a sign that the men are high value.
However, as we see, that doesn’t mean they like uninterested men – those men who are truly not interested are the ones the women were the least attracted to. The women like the men who can become interested in them in the future, but are as yet undecided. In other words, this does not prove that women like men who treat them like trash. For example, a woman will not go, “Wow, he makes me pay for everything, slaps me around and sleeps around with other women, that makes me so hot!” No, she wants love and fidelity. She doesn’t want a man who sleeps with other women, she wants a man who could sleep with other women but chooses her. It is logical. She wants a strong and capable father who can protect and provide for her children, and she also needs him to be loyal so he will actually do the providing. Women want a man to be the devil-may-care cowboy who still settles down at the end of the story. For a man who wants success with women, this adds another piece to the puzzle.
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Yup. Exactly my point up above.
It’s unsurprising when you start thinking in terms of value. When you have value to a chick, she wants you to like her.
For most guys, the problem actually is learning how to care about a girl without caring what she thinks — i.e. expressing affection without lowering value.
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OT, but still science:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2559021/Being-gay-DNA-researchers-claim-controversial-new-study.html
Sorry, cuz. You was born under a faggot star.
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Or, after some years, not born at all.
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How old are you? Are you human? Have you tested for anti-social personality disorder? If you love having sex with many women, there are far more positive ways to get laid. Seriously. Fucking with people’s heads and manipulating them into bed shows no regard for a fellow human. I know plenty of broke, charming, funny, intelligent, not so hot guys that sleep with babes all the time. The girls come back despite the knowledge of no commitment. There are no injuries or abuse of ego in their interactions. You are purposefully exploiting women who have to deal with being told they need to be thin and beautiful and submissive… What happens when you decide your existence is lonely, and no amount of sex is filling the gaping hole in your soul. You might want more commitment one day (even if it is ethical non monogamy, open relationship, or monogamish). All of the women that you and your mates scar, with be the women with tons of baggage that you will have to choose from. Seriously, look into personality disorders and learn to interact with people. You don’t sound happy, you sound negative and cynical. Move to a mountain town, sleep around, have fun, stop keeping score and start living life.
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lol
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I told you Mom, stay off this friggin’ site. IT’S FOR ME AN MY FRENDS ONLY!!!
Why you gotta be sucha helocopter parent, man?!!
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Laughed.
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Your mom drop f-bombs? Dude…
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/13/fathers-sue-utah-over-law-allowing-mothers-to-secretly-give-up-babies-for/?intcmp=latestnews
‘A dozen men are suing the state of Utah in federal court because of a law that allows mothers to put their babies up for adoption without the biological father’s consent, or sometimes even knowledge. The civil rights lawsuit claims the Utah Adoption Act has resulted in what amounts to “legalized fraud and kidnapping.”
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In one call, a female adoption representative at the Adoption Center of Utah tells the caller, “Utah has the best adoption laws because you don’t have to say who the father is. Even if the father doesn’t sign the papers, you can still put the baby up for adoption.”
In another, the undercover woman asks, “Do I have to tell him I gave the baby up for adoption? Could I just say we had a really bad accident?” The adoption representative responds, “You don’t have to tell him anything.”‘
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The only way to have kids is through a beautiful, healthy, young, fertile surrogate mother living far, FAR away who can’t find you once you get the child… in exchange for healthy sums of money that she’ll accept for her services… with your DNA in the kid assured.
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Lawyers out there, how about this: A single father’s trust that men contribute to and pay out to women sign over parental rights and provide a mutual support network for single fathers (requires a baseline IQ at least for the father if not the mother).
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You want to intro more laws and bullshit into the mix, so that lawyers get even bigger fees? Screw that crap, that’s what got us in this mess.
Remove all laws allowing female custody, the splitting of property, and any form of alimony. That shit didn’t exist until around the 1850’s. All of a sudden there’s no chance for the bitch to frivorce you, take you to the cleaners, steal your money on an ongoing basis, and use the kiddies as a WMD against you.
While your about it, abolish all laws involving protecting women from domestic violence and abuse. There are already laws dealing with violence and abuse, men/women/children. Extra laws for females just makes more bullshit red-tape and hoops for the lawyers to get paid for, VAWA and it’s ilk is simply extra bullshit used to hit a man over the head with.
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gay
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when you price the pussy @ for the free, ambivalence only fuels the fire sale
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Interesting, thought provoking and dead-on as usual CH. I could not find the appropriate forum to post this and I figured this is a good place/article to start….I have the opportunity to Game a young women (I’m 28 she’s twenty-something, younger) at a private gym I go to that I usually take my disabled-clients to, I will be alone with her for probably an hour, how can I be aloof AND also show sexual interest? I would like to frame this interaction/spending time (and future interactions/spending time with her or any women for that matter) accordingly, or as you said, “banging with piston-like efficiency” being the main reason I am spending my time with her. Cheers. -Dev
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My ex-bitch spent 1500 on my valentines shit
I feel like I made it
“tear”
another goal bites the dust
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former ho payin my way god dam that’s hot
I did make her come like 18 times flooded the bed but after I told her want to have another bitch like your pussy juice off and she started callin em to come over he he he
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The Sandwich:
Alpha males
^
Women
^
Beta males
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Happy Valentines Day from Planned Parenthood. You just can’t make up this sort of SWPL absurdity:
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This study looks very WEIRD.
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Elizabeth Bernstein pollutes the Wall Street Journal with some pablum about how men in long-term relationships, whose partners’ sex drives have plummeted, should basically just submit:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303650204579374882160449954?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303650204579374882160449954.html
“Mr. Pettiford realized he had to do something. He did some research and bought a set of DVDs, “Hidden Keys to Loving Relationships” by Gary Smalley, and insisted that he and his wife watch them together. She rolled her eyes and sat through the programs silently, she says.
Mr. Pettiford began implementing the series’ advice right away. He gave his wife [b]more compliments and gifts, took on more chores, and made sure she had time to herself[/b].”
“Sometimes in the morning, Mr. Pettiford will tell her, “I want you tonight.” [b]Her answer, half joking: “That depends on if you treat me right today.”[/b] “I take it as a challenge,” Mr. Pettiford says.”
Happy Valentine’s Day!
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OK fellas, if you been thinkin about makin that booty call, today is the day to do it.
Good luck and
tally HO!
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“The assholes who are loved by women are the men whose jerkitude is implied through emotional distance, cocksureness, outcome independence, and inscrutability.”
So many guys don’t understand this. There is a difference between being rude and being emotionally distant. A rude person is generally unpleasant to interact with. The most attractive guys are the ones who are confident, polite, and have a sense of humor, but aren’t too concerned with the outcome of the interaction. I wouldn’t call these men assholes…they’re not really and I don’t believe most girls are attracted to real assholes. They’re just detached and uncontrollable because of that. It’s their perceived imperviousness to a woman’s charms that makes them desirable, because it signifies strength and stability.
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CH, re: “dressing down” tweet, definitely true in the world of law and business. Rich important clients always dress like they have tee time at 2 PM, which they do. They’re going golfing after the meeting. The lawyers, unimportant tools despite their big egos, are the stiffs in the uncomfortable dark suits.
One can always tell the most important person in a conference room that has lawyers and business clients. He’s the guy dressed to go play 18 holes.
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