The Book of the Courtier, published in 1528 by Castiglione, dispenses courtship advice that will sound very familiar to modern practitioners of the crimson arts.
[T]he book, whose subject is the proper behavior of men and women at the courts of Renaissance princes, was written by Baldassare Castiglione, an aristocrat, soldier and diplomat who died, at age 50, less than a year after publication of his magnum opus. […]
For Castiglione the courtier should be acquainted with great literature, know music to the point of being able to play an instrument, be skilled at the arts of oratory, and in conversation employ exquisite tact and apply the art, in his memorable phrase, of “cheating expectations.”
VI. Keep her guessing
True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.
AKA, cheat her expectations.
Not only must the courtier acquire all these skills, he must display them with a casual air of easy mastery. The ideal courtier, Castiglione writes, “must put every effort and diligence into outstripping others a little, so that he may be always recognized as better than the rest.” But he must do so without showing the least strain or hint of affectation. He is to accomplish this through sprezzatura, the art of artlessness, or the art that hides art.
Amused mastery. Demonstrate higher value. Don’t be try-hard. All concepts of modern pickup artist seduction technology that were once Renaissance era wisdom.
The point of the courtier making himself so charming, and of his elegant display of mastery of the arts, is that through them he will raise himself in the prince’s esteem, thereby seducing him into heeding his advice. If the excellence of the courtier’s cultural attainments is “the flower” of his training, “the fruit” lies in helping his prince “toward what is right and to warn him against what is wrong.”
People will hear you better if they are first charmed to fondness.
Game denialists who deploy, among their many ineffectual fusillades against Chateau Heartiste, the argument that game is an aping of the primitive cultures lack all historical perspective. European philosopher-kings knew game, and knew it so well they elevated it from the savannah and refined its practice to suit the demands of their world-beating civilization.
Seduce your fair women to ecstatic surrender. Anything less would be… uncivilized.

Except for Locke, what a Beta pussy
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For Castiglione the courtier should be acquainted with great literature (LZOZOZO DATSZ WHY DEY CALL ME DA GBFM!! LZOZZOZOZ)
, know music to the point of being able to play an instrument, –check out DA GBFM MSISUCIZ:
be skilled at the arts of oratory,
(YA AY DA GBFM DO SOME ORLALALSZ ON HER LICORICE CLITTTORIS ZLZOZO LCCITIRORISZ ZLZOZOZOZ)
and in conversation employ exquisite tact and apply the art, in his memorable phrase, of “cheating expectations.”
(DA GBFM ALWAYS ESCEEDSZ DER EEPXPEEPCATAIONZ ZLZOZOZOZ)
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VI. Keep her guessing
Which hole is da GBFM gonna hide his lotsakssa cockas in 2nite? da bunghzozlzozo, moutzhzyzhozlzizozlz, or ginahzolzzizozo? u give upz! ok i givez you a hint, da gbfm don’t put his lsostass ockas in da bunzgzhzjzzoizlzzizolzo zlzlzolzolzoozoz
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Yes, it’s actually the first ‘great’ book you’ve endorsed, GBFM lozlozlzozlozl
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Riding up on a horse. You cannot beat that shit.
“Look wench, I have tamed a wild animal, you don’t stand a chance. Bend and receive.”
Then burn her village down.
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Women are nuts for horses anyway. Now if you’re a man who rides a horse as if it’s an extension of yourself, I can imagine that’s the medieval version of carrying a ghee-tar around, x10.
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The modern equivalent is a motorcycle.
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Beat me to it, that was my first thought as a reply.
And chicks melt for men on motorcycles. Even the “good girls” who are usually anything but.
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yep.
and not some faggy Harley either. two personalities with a Harley guy and the beezy’s know it. either the 5% that are kinda bad ass, or the other 95% that aren’t. dude on a sport-bike, well he actually does ride fast and push boundaries otherwise he’d be fagging out on a Harley.
first rule of life…..don’t make the next wrong decision.
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Tilikum
dude on a sport-bike, well he actually does ride fast and push boundaries otherwise he’d be fagging out on a Harley.
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There is no such thing as a safe motorcycle. If it only has two wheels it matters not how cool you look to the paramedics.
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A fair point… the downside is rather steep, and even at a personal anecdotal level, the number of guys I know that got severely injured on motorcycles is sobering.
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tell that to the new breed of hipster Fonzi queers on their bobbers.
better yet stare one down. they wont do a damn thing.
vaginas, the lot of em.
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If I write full words with capital letters, the comment went slow? (this is a testing, I left a previous comment like that)
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Am I doing it right?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hgrant/this-is-what-crazy-looks-like-via-text-messaging
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why was that so fucking funny
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But game is an aping of the more primitive cultures (this one is still primitive; it tosses Moloch’s salad for the little drips of gold Mammon’s cock left there)
Sprezzatura is the medieval imitation of what the ancient greeks called virtue. The greater your mastery of the fundamentals, the greater the effortlessness of your performance.
Inner game is about achieving virtue; outer game is about displaying it.
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I have never liked the word “inner game”. I mean seriously, “inner game”? What about “improving yourself”, is that too old-fashioned to say? What’s next? Dressing game, hygiene game, education game, internet game, dance game, home decoration game, marriage game? We could make more “games” than there are “metals” in the heavy metal genre, until the word is burned out.
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I get what your saying. It sounds dumb, especially when the phrase is wielded by PUA’s trying to make a buck off it. It’s gonna stay tho cuz everyone knows what it means. It’s very specific and rolls off the tongue. “Improving yourself” is vague and could mean anything from career to eyebrow shaping.
The reason for text game, phone game, marriage game, ad absurdum is to specify what you are applying game to. It is part of the human condition to categorize things, whether it’s music, books, or engineering. May as well complain that the sun rises in the east. It ain’t changing.
The interesting thing is that inner game is the foundation for all and if you have that down then all other “categories” disappear.
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how about “internalizing your value”. there is a difference.
that buffer your spergy brain from neurochemical misfires?
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Women swim in a sea of manipulation.
Digital, social media is an atomic weapon in their hands.
Indeed, it will not be long before you read tales of addicts 12-stepping their way out of narcissistic narcosis — the Facebook daze.
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Nothing would seem to demonstrate lower value in a man than trolling Facebook for not-so-hotties… with attitude.
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Whereas having too much sexual experience ruins a babe… something long known… in time suitors will come to realize that having too many Internet suitors, Facebook ‘likes,’ destroys her harmony, her sociability.
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My experience has been that women — all of them — love manipulation games so much that they don’t object to being manipulated.
This takes the form of loving it when they are being lied to… even flamingly lied to.
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This was taken to hilarious extremes in “Team America” when the hero informs his hot babe that “[he] will never die…” for the sole reason of getting her into the sack.
It’s funny because its TRUE.
$$$
This even extends into the political realm. Look at the gushing babes idolizing the President even as he’s pitching bunkum.
So, whereas guys would be insulted discovering that they’ve been manipulated… most gals would dance past the issue… redoubling their efforts to out manipulate their prospect/ suitor.
BTW, it’s better to have her thinking that you’re a prospect (Alpha) than a suitor. (Beta) But, you already know that.
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I once read this book about communication written by a woman and she was explaining how female attraction changes based on a woman’s menstrual cycle(alpha during ovulation and more beta during the rest). She kept trying to rationalize it for men though: she really loves you and her hormones mess her up or that she loves you for most of the month.
I kept thinking how out of touch this woman must be. Who would be the beta provider of a woman who wants to have another man’s child?!
[CH: Relationship game can go a long way to resolving that ovulatory-mitigated attraction tension in women. A man in the know can season his attitude — more beta or more alpha –as his lover’s monthly cycle demands.]
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[CH: Relationship game can go a long way to resolving that ovulatory-mitigated attraction tension in women. A man in the know can season his attitude — more beta or more alpha –as his lover’s monthly cycle demands.]
I agree. I never had problems with women once in relationships because my parents have a healthy relationship and I suppose I absorbed some of my father’s behaviors subconsciously.
The part I seriously need to work on is approach anxiety and not relying on social circles to meet new women. My father seems to have no social anxiety though. He’s the type of person that will get people in a hospital laugh and whom the people at the local supermarket know by name. I envy his social ability and I regret that it’s not in my nature too.
I asked my mother why did she choose my father. My mother was good looking and from a better off family than my father. She told me some rationalization, but I kind of already knew that it’s because he has charisma.
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Going full alpha and operating from a position of maximum abundance is best. Too much alpha? Ya, she’ll leave…but it’s very easy to get her back. Too much beta? She’s gone.
Never commit. Always hustle. That’s the game.
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He’s a lost cause dude. He doesn’t have the balls to pull and mocks and insults dudes who do to make himself feel better. End of story.
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Ya, but that seems to be where a lot of guys start. They get a bunch of information (without application or real world experience), and so what ends up happening is that that information collides with just another bunch of useless information (ideas on what men have to be and do) — which is why they end up making fun of people.
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lol…this is the little dude who was dogging me for getting my dick sucked by a model and fucking other chicks.
The part I seriously need to work on is approach anxiety and not relying on social circles to meet new women.
You probably first need to be socially cognizant in general, like being strong enough to turn people who are fucking legit hot women and can raise your game into allied not enemies. But shit man, it’s easy to hate.
You outed yourself as a puss.
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The part I seriously need to work on is approach anxiety and not relying on social circles to meet new women.
The number one way to deal with approach anxiety is to have had already had several successful cold approaches. Barring that, I’d say keep things hella simple — look your absolute best, smell good, and be amiably direct. Looks do matter, but think of it like….you need to meet their minimum requirements. Just try giving a girl a compliment (statement of intent), chit-chatting (yes, boring chit chat) for no more than 1-2 minutes, and then asking for her number. So just 1-2-3 is your game: compliment, chit-chat, number.
What you have to realize about cold approach
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f you’re going in cold (no pre-screen for her receptivity), your success rate won’t be particularly high. If you’re at that minimum looks requirement, and you’re outgoing/fun/confident….the chick could just be either a) not into you at all or b) not into meeting a guy at that point in time.
I know that sounds controversial, but chicks do b) all the time. It’s why a chick that you seemed to click with a month ago just disappeared, but now is totally into you a month later. Some people say ‘ya cause she was busy gettin’ P and D’d by an ALPHA.’ Maybe sometimes (I don’t shadow/follow people around/snoop)…but nah, a lot of the time they’re just unavailable and you caught them at a bad time.
That said, scoring an attractive chick off cold approach is god-like. You will feel awesome and the frame for your relationship will be solid as fuck. Her solipsism will work in your favor so goddamned hard. In HER mind, this guy was ABLE to SOMEHOW CHARM A COMPLETE STRANGER. Because almost no guys cold approach, this is amazing to girls (when the girl is attracted to you). She will utterly believe you fuck girls hotter than her all the time and worry about you going out.
Just treat it like a numbers game — that’ll keep you out of your head. Don’t get too caught up in what you’re doing right or wrong. Talk to girls, state intent. If you get blown out, move on to the next one. The experiences you’ll have will teach you everything you need to kno.
Social circle is kind of different.
You have lower risk, because the girls come to you and it’s pretty warm. So, overall, it’s consistent — as long as you have a ‘feeder’ social circle. Problem is that you have to a) take whatever the circle brings and b) be whoever you are in that social circle. When you have an identity in a social circle, it’s hard to change that identity. In cold approach, shit man…you can be whoever you want. If she’s into it, you could be a clone of that dude from 50 shades of grey and she’ll believe that’s your identity and now that’s your relationship. In social circle, your reputation and identity precede you.
Social circle is also good because your other non-looks traits count way more. This is because people tend to rate individuals with positive personality traits as more attractive. There was a study on here about a social group’s assessments of one another’s attractiveness after about 6 weeks. What happened is that the ‘best looking’ people were the ones who contributed the most value to the group, and the worse looking people were the ones who didn’t. From what I remember, these ratings didn’t really match up with initial assessments of attractiveness.
You don’t really get the awesome frame in social circle that you do in Cold Approach.
I never had problems with women once in relationships
It could be that you’re just naturally tight — unlikely if you struggle with cold approach. Or, you just end up with girls who are below you in SMV — so the relationship is easy.
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Good stuff
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That one about cycles is true but greatly exaggerated though. The differences in preference are small. A washboard stomach is always a washboard stomach.
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Arbiter, as an Asian ,could you enlighten me about the female president of Korea? WTF.
Park Geun Hye The 61-year-old is not married and has no children, but has often said that she is “married” to her nation.
Has she NEVER married, an omega woman of such scale, or is her life so private that probably she in younger years had someone but is not released, I can’t find info on it, though a whole country Korea is her husband now.
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@Kim Soo Hyun
Park Geun Hye is the daughter of Park Chung Hee…a mean-assed dictator.
It’s clear that he ruled the house the way he ruled the country and so no surprise that GH never found a guy daddy would approve of.
After she passed the age of 30…she was off-limits to Korean men as being too old.
No surprise that her focus would become something else…cats….yoga or running the country.
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I am not an Asian, why do you call me one?
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Because you yourself called a Chinese! time ago when I posted a video about Korean vs Mexican actresses, u preferred Koreans, saying that you as a Chinese relate more to them, unless you were kidding…
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you are seriously fucking retarded with shit like this. you MUST be a woman.
your brain either has lice, or you are so either unattractive or so unable to read the emotions of others that somehow, in your brain full of warm lobster mac-and cheese, writing this, and the pushing the “Post Comment” button seemed like the right thing to do. \
I’ll help. “Shhhh….just look pretty.”
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A man in the know can season his attitude — more beta or more alpha –as his lover’s monthly cycle demands.
I’ve been looking for a period tracker phone app to make it easier for me to remember this. Unfortunately none of them are built to track a couple girls at once. 😛
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I usually don’t advise on gay ideas but have you considered a moon phase app?
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moon phase and set for two days before and after the new moon. go out on these days, get aggressive.
watch what happens.
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You can sometimes tell by the mood. It’s a lot easier in monogamous relationships to work out where in the cycle the woman is.
I’ve been applying the alpha/beta fluctuation and it makes things run very smoothly.
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Love this^.
esp. “narcissistic narcosis” -hah!
Hard to assume teh wimminz could ever get sick of it though; even when it turns into Narcissizing Fasciitis.
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Indeed.
I raise my glass of single malt Scotch and give a toast to this post.
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Which is why I’m getting to the point where calling it ‘game,’ rather than ‘being a man,’ seems silly —- ageless stuff.
However — as a side note — I’m also to the point where I think doing whatever the fuck you want to do is a step past ‘amused mastery.’ I’m seeing serious ROI. If someone causes me to experience a negative emotion, I call them out on it immediately. Feels great and commands respect.
For example, if someone makes a wisecrack that I think is annoying….ya, I could offer some smirk and shrug it off — amused mastery (or at least fake amused mastery). But, I’d rather just say ‘shut the fuck up,’ ‘eat shit,’ ‘suck a dick,’ etc.
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May I suggest: “I don’t like it.” Said as a conclusion (not, of course, a supplication or a complaint.)
Expresses a pushback without weakening your frame, now or later.
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You definitely have kids. The authoritative emotionless voice and simplicity of speech are hallmarks of a father’s commanding presence.
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I don’t think ‘shut the fuck up’ weakens a frame. Just imagine saying it in a dismissive way. Like ‘man, shut the fuck up.’ And to be honest, I’m at the point where I no longer care about what other people may or may not ‘think’ about my frame.
Who gives a shit?
I feel X. Someone else caused me to feel X. What will make me feel resolution is to get X off my chest, ergo ‘shut the fuck up’ is more for me than it is for anyone else.
In that one moment, maybe ya ooooooh I -gasp- reacted to someone or something! However, the ROI is huge — I get to live with maximum integrity and congruence.
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Sorry man, but that’s not congruent with being in control of your self. No one makes anyone feel an emotion. Someone does/ says something, you CHOOSE your emotion. Then you react.
If you blame them for causing the emotion in you then you give them all the power to control you.
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Congruence isn’t about ‘being in control of yourself.’ Congruence is about acting in accordance with your inner beliefs and emotions. So, if you try and pull a ‘I totally don’t care’ non-reactive line while, inside, you actually feel annoyed…it’s dogshit. People sense the real you.
[CH: Not if you do it well.
ps there are plenty of studies in the archives proving that faking the funk will eventually become effortless and a part of you with practice.
pps stop trolling. you have an annoying tendency to comment as if you think your words drip with original insight. they don’t. this ground has been covered before.]
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how many times a day would you say someone causes you a negative emotion?
curious.
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Once or twice a week I’d say.
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huh. thats good dude. try and keep that.
seriously.
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OT: I generally don’t like Bob Dylanberg, but I just read his most famous song’s lyrics for the first time and discovered it’s actually taunting a post-wall female who used to have it all when she was younger, hotter, and tighter. So now I like him more and will explore more of his songs.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bobdylan/likearollingstone.html
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“All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie
I’m in love with a woman who don’t even appeal to me”
from “Things Have Changed” – Dylan, one of his best IMO.
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People are crazy, and times are strange.
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I used to care…But things have changed,
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We oldies used to have this thing called “being a man,” which involved both “courtship” and “knowing how to treat her like a woman.” It was largely unexpressed, shared knowledge. Game is a great way of crystallizing those truths, observations and lessons, making them hyperexplicit, and giving youngsters who didn’t grow up absorbing this stuff from the air around them a chance to catch up.
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you oldies used to have this thing called “having a father” too
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No kidding. As well as non hyperfeminized educations.
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It would be so awesome to have some serious Old School contributions to this website.
Please chime in as often as possible [which I guess would be whenever the Mrs isn’t looking over your shoulder – or the kids].
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We used to have this thing called a “country” too.
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It’s getting to be so fucking depressing reading iSteve that I can’t hardly summon the gonads to go over there and read about WTFE The Frankfurt School is up to – not just up to “each day” – but up to in just like the last six or eight hours since Steve’s previous post.
Those motherfuckers [if they even have mothers – if they weren’t birthed like Damien in The Omen] are trying to stir up the circumstances necessary to visit an Holodomor II on the poor Ukrainians.
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That’s how I feel when I open my school email.
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(no hostility to you intended, btw)
“courtship” is obsolete. It died a few centuries ago.
Today, courtship is a $2 froyo before the SNL FnC.
The days of John Wayne punching a horse in the face, and tipping your hat to a “lady” are also just as dead.
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But please feel free to punch Gloria Steinem and the no-fault divorce Bolsheviks + 1969 California Legislation in the face as a thank you for it if you ever pass their way.
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I’m not quite as old as you, probably, but I am over 50.
And “being a man” did involve things like “courtship” and “treating a woman right” that are explicitly rejected here, or at least to be used with extreme caution.
It’s not the same, it’s actually quite different. Because men have stepped out of the protective role. Women step all over protective men these days — the cool way is tough love, which women respect more because they cannot despise it.
This would have worked in the old days too, but then one could also follow the old timey gentlemanly way and still do all right.
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Well…characters played by the likes of Bogey, Clark Gable, Cary Grant, Tony Curtis, Frank Sinatra, Steve McQueen, Sean Connery…etc., were often “rogueish” in various ways and definitely gamesters who liked keeping their women off balance.
Come to think of it, the Jimmy Stewart types were the exception rather than the rule. “Nice guys” were just as boring back then, too.
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Jimmy Stewart had some Game.
Listen closely to the interplay between Stewart and Grace Kelly in Rear Window* – within the context and the mores and the mannerisms of the society which spawned the two of them, he games the living daylights outta that bitch.
And Vertigo is all about Jimmy overcoming his inner Beta and untangling and revealing and confronting and conquering the manifest evil which he has been witness [if not party] to.
Along the way [in Vertigo], Jimmy also takes time to almost nihilistically DHV the very life force right outta poor Barbara Bel Geddes.
Also, Vertigo demonstrates the vastly greater innate desirability of the high-Estrogen female [Kim Novak the floozy] as opposed to the high-Testosterone female [Barbara Bel Geddes the manjaw].
BTW, in a completely different context, at the end of Spirit of St Louis, Jimmy has a gutwrenching struggle to overcome what you could call his inner Beta [where his inner Beta just wants him to take the easy way out and call it quits and give up the struggle – give up the Ghost, really].
*Finally, Rear Window is NOT what most people think it is about.
If The Frankfurt School were ever to wake up and realize what Rear Window is really about, then they’d ban it from ever again being played on Turner Classic Movies.
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more great dylan lyrics about betas’ woes w/ hypergamy
“She’s No Good”
Well, I don’t know why I love you like I do
Nobody in the world can get along with you
You got the ways of a devil sleeping in a lion’s den
I come home last night you wouldn’t even let me in.
Oh sometimes you’re as sweet as anybody want to be
Oh when you get the crazy notion of jumping all over me
Well, you give me the blues, I guess you’re satisfied
When you give me the blues I wanna lay down and die.
I helped you when you had no shoes on your feet, pretty mama
I helped you when you had no food to eat
Now you’re the kind of woman that just don’t understand
You’re taking all my money and give it to another man.
Well, you’re that kind of woman makes a man lose his brains
You’re that kind of woman drives a man insane
Well, you give me the blues, I guess you’re satisfied
You give me the blues, I wanna lay down and die.
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You should check out the lyrics to “Sweetheart Like You,” in which Dylan, speaking to a young girl climbing the corporate ladder asks her “What [are you] doing in a dump like this?”
“In order to deal in this game, got to make the queen disappear…”
i.e herd all the women into the workplace.
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neil young’s i dig more.
check out ‘like a hurricane’ and ‘mr.soul’ etc..
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And the word for today is: Sprezzatura. Learn it, live it.
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And most importantly DRESS IT. The easiest path to faking it until you make it.
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Also sprach Sprezzatura
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Another well written nugget of truth. The writing skills on display on this site, by both author(s) and commenters, gives me hope. I have nothing to add. How does one add to truth?
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practice it.
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That’s rich, coming from you.
After you, my dear Alphonse.
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Everything is rich to a beggar.
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I raped a girl once and caught sprezzatura.
Rape!
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Filthy Sicilian bitches…
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At any point, were great quantities of olive oil involved?
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True story, I did actually have sex with a girl while we were covered in olive oil.
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next time try coconut oil. it’ll smooth out the wrinkles in ur balls.
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Each wrinkle I have is named! Blasphemy!
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I once ordered sprezzatura with a nice Chianti.
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…and ate her liver with fava beans.
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Offtopic- Evidence of female hypergamy in academic research: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/women_academia_are_less_likely_men_cooperate_lowerranked_colleagues-130817
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“The bottom line for now, they say, is this: “In ordinary life we often think of women as being more cooperative and friendly with each other than men are, but this is not true when hierarchy enters the picture,” Benenson says.
especially women pretty much all hate each other. The cool thing about feminism is that we find women admitting all this stuff. (Benenson is a woman.)
Women are great sources of data. Just don’t let them analyze the data and give you the conclusions from it.
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Pretty funny that they report this as an aspect of “academia.” Twenty years ago I started noticing articles or letters to the editor by women bitching about not being able to find female mentors in the business world.
There is no “sisterhood.”
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Paleo,
True, but don’t forget, women in the past followed certain rules (basic decorum, chastity – or at least, not as promiscuous, respect for men). This is rarely the case today – even among ‘traditional’ (read: Christian) women.
Men today are rudderless. Game is a necessity for most (naturals never required it at any time).
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Men and women have both been degraded at the same time, and by the same force: socialist control of the major media, echoing academic crooks and their propaganda. The media being the real power in a democracy.
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I read about half of that book in college.
It recommended that potential courtiers avoid cleaning their teeth with their fingers in public.
Still good advice.
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good advice if you are a beta, you mean. in other words, how can you tell when beta bait isn’t just bait 😉
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The Book of the Courtier, published in 1528 by Castiglione, dispenses courtship advice that will sound very familiar to modern practitioners of the crimson arts.
Indeed, the oldest French novel, The Song of Roland, includes this advice: A knight should not obey his lady in whatever she asks of him. At first she will be delighted, but she will soon come to resent him.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
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agreed
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Speaking of uncivilised: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOwW-eMTj0c check out the mudshark who seems to be laughing while walking away. At least the cyclist dismounted to help (presumably)
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Off-topic:
Is anyone watching Season 2 of Vikings on the History Channel? I can’t figure out whether it’s feminist propaganda or the most alpha show on TV.
The wife complains after he bangs some other chick, so he throws her against the wall and gives her a good raping (and she likes it). When the other chick shows up pregnant, the wife leaves and takes their son with her. Based on previews, it looks like they’ll join a rival tribe.
The show had a lot of potential, but now it’s going in a girl power direction. So disappointing. He’s a fucking Viking warlord! No way he’d let the wife just walk away with his kid.
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Aslaug: hot or not?
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Wonder when the Moors are going to appear to diversify the show a bit.
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probably when they see one during a raid on England.
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England? Heh, heh, been watching too many Kevin Costner movies.
And for the record, I’m sorry, but the card says Moops.
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No Greg, its called trade.
Spices, cotton, ivory, perfumes, medicines, silk… the Moor had the connections for the English to get these things without going through the ooj or your continetal brothers and getting ripped off.
In addition, we taught you guys game and how to dress.
Cause Im so smooooove
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Oh?
And in what era, prior to the last century pray tell, were Moors or their like running rampant in Albion?
Your way-back machine needs a tune-up, Peabody.
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Don’t play dumb Greg. They served with the Romans when it was time to tame you barbarians. And later as an Island nation, the English were always looking for ways to get around the mainland white man. Blackamoors may have been rare, but everybody knew what we were and where to find us.
And then theres always queen Sophia Charlette who may have been living proof that, well, maybe we were kinda running rampant.
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says the jigaboo who gets his history from jewlywood.
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Theodore Logan
says the jigaboo who gets his history from jewlywood
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Spoken like a white man thats never been to Europe.
(((shakin my head)))
The Moor was the symbol for the apothecary in Germany long before there was a hollywood.
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The Moor was the symbol for the apothecary in Germany long before there was a hollywood.
I’ve lived in Germany in the past for several years, and don’t recall ever seeing your chum…
Perhaps only in apothecaries in the Black Forest? (lzozlzozlzozl)
Now tell us the one about how Swarte Piet saved Christmas and f@cked the Grinch’s wife.
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Sophia Charlette? So now we’re jumping some 750-odd years from the Vikings right to the 18th century to make a point that there may have been a handful of negroes in Europe?
N166er, please!
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They served with the Romans when it was time to tame you barbarians.
And how’d that work out for ya, Publius Quintus Varus?
Who, by the way, I doubt had a division of Tuskeegee Swordsmen among his legions.
You’ve been watching too many Gladiator movies.
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I ask that everyone forgive Greg Eliot for his provincial historical perspective. He’s an American white person so his racial world view is stunted and retarded. Its not really his fault because as an old white American man, thats what he was taught growing up.
He can’t imagine black people being anything other than slaves picking cotton.
I’d rather not upset him anymore than the election of Obama did because that almost gave him a heart attack (twice).
My point is, black people in Europe are nothing new. We’ve always been there and and its nothing to freak out about. If Greg wants to claim the Vikings didn’t know what a black person was, then thats on him.
Most people know better.
BTW- My theory is that King George the 3rd knew his blood line carried any number of “royal diseases” due to inbreeding (porphyria, hemophilia…) and so he sought out and married the obviously negroid seventeen year old Princess Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz to get some “vigorus” blood in the mix.
As queen, Sophia launched 15 “footballs” for George, only 2 of which did not survive to adulthood.
And she did it all while George went insane.
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If Greg wants to claim the Vikings didn’t know what a black person was, then thats on him.
Up to the old disingenuity again? Sigh…
The Vikings called them blue men and pretty much didn’t encounter them until they started tooling around the Mediterranean and north coast of Africa… although it’s possible the errant darky might have been seen in a slave market from Dublin to Kiev, but who knows?
Your initial claim was that they were common enough in England at the time, and that’s patently false… and then you jump 750 years later, and merely because of one severely outlying case like Sophia Charlette, you make the usual Afrocentrist neener-neener meal out of it.
Pack it in, Othello…
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He can’t imagine black people being anything other than slaves picking cotton.
That’s your own inferiority complex causing projection… merely because I counter your over-exaggerations.
I’d rather not upset him anymore than the election of Obama did because that almost gave him a heart attack (twice).
Ha! When did you ever hear me say anything about Obama?
My disdain of the entire political process is well-known, and I couldn’t care less about elections, and have never voted in one.
You pusillanimous dastard… thou thimble… thou thread.
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read the sagas of icelanders if you want the real version
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The Vikings actually allowed divorce for women if the man was unfaithful. A woman could also divorce a man if he slapped her, or if he disgraced himself by for example walking with his shirt open over his chest in public.
But yes, that wife is the worst part about Vikings. (And those ridiculously painted, bald priests in the Uppsala temple. Besides, Uppsala is flat, not mountainous. Authentic work on the temple, though.) She is presented as a “shield maiden” in the first season, which was just a myth. Of course women weren’t strong enough to wield a large shield or swing a sword. And when Ragnar Lodbrok is going to England and leaving her behind to take care of the children and the farm, she attacks him and shouts “I’m so angry with you now!” Seriously attacks him with her fists. In real life that would have been unthinkable, and Ragnar would probably have divorced her after that, sending her back to her parents.
This follows the ridiculous “warrior woman” theme, and maybe we are supposed to believe that because the Vikings were good warriors, even the women were warriors. Yes, the women were tough – in the way women were tough. Which is to take care of the household, then a full-time job. And by being loyal to family and gods. But people today don’t understand what a tough woman used to be, because they have never seen it.
For better examples of a woman back in history being tough in a realistic way, watch The Thirteenth Warrior. The women don’t take part in the fighting, that would be foolish. But they resolve to kill the children if the savage enemy (in the novel they are shown to be the last Neanderthals) break through, because these enemies are known to take the children and raise them to fight on their side. No doubt the women would then kill themselves too.
Another example is Atia in Rome the TV series. She is a noble woman who has been scheming in every episode, but when a mob threatens to break down her door (because her great-uncle Caesar is approaching Rome with an army) she shows no fear. She is prepared to end her life to preserve her honor and thereby the honor of her family
Likewise in Shogun, both the TV mini series in twelve parts from the 1980s and the novel. Anyone who hasn’t seen it, download it. A main reason it was so successful was Mariko, the noblewoman who is tasked with teaching John Blackthorne to speak Japanese, and to understand Japanese ways. Very feminine, very graceful, and tough as iron. She is completely loyal to her family and to her daimyo, her lord. You could say she is tougher than Blackthorne. When Lord Toranaga sends her on a risky mission in the castle in Osaka, the capital, she follows through even though she knows it will most likely end with her death. Family honor is everything. The only time she breaks that rule is by falling in love with Blackthorne, without which the story would have been less interesting of course.
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I’d forgotten that scene. I like how when his friend walks in, Ragnar straightens up and stops leaning on his children.
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This follows the ridiculous “warrior woman” theme,
This is why I seldom watch movies anymore, and why I turned off The Vikings after the first episode.
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Gotta love the sacrifice song at the temple in Uppsala though. Nine of all shall be sacrificed: nine chickens, nine goats, nine pigs … nine people. Ragnar Lodbrok’s friend, no doubt a friend since childhood, has volunteered for the sacrifice. If this had been a normal Hollywood production you would have the main character, or an “enlightened” woman, raise a hue and cry and stop the process or at least leave, perhaps spreading some lines about democracy along the way for good measure, like the emperor in that Gladiator movie. (“We should never have taken power from the senate.” Sure he’d say that. And the villain, his son, is the one who disagrees.) Not so here. Everyone agrees to what must be done. Ragnar is obviously sad to lose his friend, but he accepts it, and he holds back his tears as he watches. It is the least he can do, to watch his friend’s great sacrifice.
This song, sung in Ur-Nordic, is about a hundred times better than at least eighty percent of all “music” I heard produced last year.
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I watched this programme about cave-people once which was ridiculous for this. It started showing three men failing to kill a mammoth and getting themselves killed instead. Then the rest of the episode focused on their widows, who realised their men weren’t coming back, and so went off to hunt their own food. Then these three women, one was even carrying an infant the whole time, go and successfully kill a mammoth.
I thought the idea of three men trying to kill mammoth with spears seemed pretty suicidal.
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Interesting stuff. I’ll check out Shogun. One exchange from the last episode stuck out:
Son: She is making everyone unhappy. Why can’t you see that?
Ragnar: A man must take responsibility and do what’s right. Happiness is neither here nor there.
The concept of honor is alien to the modern mind.
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Definitely check out Shogun, either the novel or the 12-episode mini series.
(One thing missing from the mini series is the explanation to why John Blackthorne and his Dutch crew are so important: their new type of British ship, built for speed and war, could run circles around the large Black Ship, which once a year brings back the Portuguese profit from the silk trade to Europe. The silk is vital for making kimonos that make the summer heat endurable. Blackthorne’s ship and his knowledge of open-seas sailing could devastate the trade, which could make the Portuguese pack up and leave. Only they can trade between China and Japan which are nominally at war. The Christian daimyos in Japan would definitely not want to see the Church gone. So Blackthorne’s life or death is of great importance when seeking their loyalty in the power struggle between Lord Toranaga and Lord Ishido. Just mentioning it in case you’ll watch the mini series.)
James Clavell’s novels are known for including masculine, capable men, and feminine women. Which does not mean the women are weak and scared, as feminists would claim. They are loyal, decent and dutiful, and strong thereby. No better examples could be shown of how pleasurable the world could be with the right men and the right women.
Note that James Clavell sat in a Japanese POW camp during World War II. He wrote King Rat, his first novel, based on that experience. And still he looked at the Japanese, and the Chinese for that matter, with a realistic and fair mind. He doesn’t make the Samurai era look either better or worse than it was.
Shogun the mini series made samurai, kimonos, samurai swords, ninja (dealt with realistically), Japanese architecture, Zen Buddhism, karma etc popular in the 1980s, so the novel had a significant impact that way. But as one commenter wrote, “A great deal of Shogun’s popularity probably came from men falling in love with Mariko. She is what men wish women would be.”
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That’s the only downside of Clavell’s novels… the Asian fetish… he had the ol’ Madame Butterfly theme going in Tai-Pan.
Fun fact: he wrote the screenplay for The Great Escape.
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Don’t know the story about Madame Butterfly, so I can’t say. But he doesn’t have a White man coupled with an Asian woman in King Rat, which is simply a very interesting (and unusually balanced) story about the interactions between men caught in unusual circumstances. The main White man in Gai-Jin is happily married to a French woman, and the main character in Noble House is also happily married to his British wife. So there is less of that than one might think. Haven’t read Whirlwind, so I don’t know about that one.
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Good movie.
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“know music to the point of being able to play an instrument”
Guitar School FTW!
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Harmonica – no skool required.
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Wrong, I heard a good (pro level) mouth harp player on NPR radio one day. He was really good. He knew classical music theory (scales, chords, etc.) and it was a real instrument in his hands, er, mouth.
Or you can sound “authentic” and play it like a beginner, same as a beginner can make a sound on a violin or a clarinet, just not a pleasant one.
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if you can eat pussy good, mouth harp is easy to learn.
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Muh Mowf
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“No School Required!”…..I’m gonna start advertising harmonicas on BET using that as my tag line.
Watch for my IPO, gonna be blood everywhere.
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Feadog here. Good for a few jigs in the bar, as well as being able to charm even the most distant lass with a haunting Gaelic aire. Portable as hell and nobody else that I know of around my stomping grounds can play one.
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Looked it up in YouTube – so that’s where that sound comes from in Celtic music. I like it.
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I saw a Scottish guy walking around main street in his kilt one morning playing bagpipes. Didn’t give a fuck personified as the distinctive music turned heads.
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OT:
Ukrainian insurgents installing YKW in top positions of power in Ukraine:
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2014/03/ukraine-mist-begins-to-clear.html?zx=c668cb4852b7bfea
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The rebels are dupes. Just like they were dupes in the “orange revolution” when they overthrew the election result that time. Did they get a pro-Ukrainian government? No, they got a globalist one, full of corruption. Tymoshenko went to prison for squirreling away millions of dollars in bribes, but the media “forget” that and give us the impression she went to prison for being a political opponent.
And isn’t it hilarious how the globalist media talk about Yanukovych being anti-democratic, even though he actually won an election, and the rebels are overthrowing that election? They “forget” to mention the law here.
John Kerry gives us the line, “The new government must now pave the way for free and fair elections”, which the TV viewers know means the old government was a dictatorship. That way he insinuates Yanukovych was a dictator without openly saying it. That’s how it works. People are too lazy to find out the truth.
Yanukovych vetoed a law that would tie Ukraine to EU’s anti-cultural laws in exchange for money. The treaty would have also banned their favorable trade with Russia, which would have been bad for Ukraine’s economy. He did this in exchange for far more money from Russia, a square deal. He acted entirely in accordance with the law when using his veto (as compared to, say, Obama in making up new rules for the ACA without Congress). He released rebels in a mass amnesty, even though they were de facto criminals. And even though the rebels had raided a military installation, stolen weapons and killed at least nine police officers – before Yanukovych had some snipers open fire at them.
Yanukovych offered one of the rebel leaders to become prime minister, he offered them other government posts, and he offered early elections. All this was refused. The rebels wanted it all. The media, again, “forget” to mention that Yanukovych who promised early elections – which John Kerry then “called” for.
The rebel government has illegally deposed governors. The Crimean government is within its rights to ask for Russian aid. Russia is also within its rights to bring up troops to secure the very long, porous border to a neighboring country on the brink of civil war – wouldn’t the U.S. do the same?
One more note about Crimea – it has belonged to Russia longer than California has belonged to the U.S. A Soviet dictator gave it to the Ukraine in a one-man decision, but at that time the Ukraine of course was part of the USSR. Crimea repeatedly voted for and asked for independence after the USSR’s fall. They have their own parliament. They are autonomous economically and in pretty much every way. Until 1994 they even had their own president, which was then taken from them by the Kiev government. They appealed to Yeltsin for aid then, but Yeltsin thought it better to stay on the West’s good side in exchange for money. Now the Crimea wants to protect itself from an illegal government. They are mostly Russians, or Ukrainians married to or otherwise related to Russians. Putin sends troops simply to safeguard Russia’s naval base there, and to obey the Crimean people’s requests – finally, after two decades.
So many things the media “forget” to tell people.
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Link to book:
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/671/courtier.pdf?sequence=1
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“Seduce your fair women to ecstatic surrender.”
That was the advice from the world beating civilization?
Very well. Here’s the advice on how to get dark women to ecstatic surrender-
“If she does not give in, let him, as he likes, bribe her (with presents). And if she then does not give in, let him, as he likes, beat her with a stick or with his hand, and overcome her , saying: ‘With manly strength and glory I take away thy glory”
—The Vedas
That’s like the Hindu Bible
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Right… and here we are talking about applied charisma to seduce fair women – while the dark women are being gang raped and beaten on buses.
Lay across my knee – so I can spank you with that silly Vendas. You minx.
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Yeah, that advice hasn’t worked out so well. Though it was intended for husbands and wives, not for men who wanted random women they came across.
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Spoon, you are Indian right?
Is this guy correct?
If not, can you give me the source that has the correct information?
Thank you.
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I think he’s quite likely to be right about the “out of India” theory being false and merely an emotional reaction against the Aryan invasion theory. However, it is still the consensus that Hinduism came from Eurasian Caucasians through invasions of India. He is wrong when he says that Europeans and Aryan invaders of India were not related. They are both caucasians and there is ample genetic evidence to suggest that they were related in the way one would expect different caucasian groups to be related.
You can see aryan invasion theory on wikipedia.
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So you are saying the Aryan invasion theory is correct?
I ask because don’t some Indians claim it is a British invention designed to weaken India?
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Bank on it. And, like the Afrocentrists of today, the Dravidiancentrists like to rewrite history for pride sake.
If anything, they can take pride that they totally assimilated the Aryans long ago, and what you have today is a mere glimmering of that former blood that exchanged the blood-thirsty earth/mother beliefs with the Sky Father and the Vedas.
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Greg Eliot
Bank on it. And, like the Afrocentrists of today, the Dravidiancentrists like to rewrite history for pride sake.
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Then how come the brahmins in India blame the British for the Aryan invasion theory?
Is it because they know the white man is the devil and all evil comes flows from him?
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Greg Eliot
the Dravidiancentrists like to rewrite history for pride sake.
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Is that what you say this woman is doing?
She ain’t talking about “a long time ago”; she talkin about what the white man is doing TODAY.
She even starts describing Hindu house ni66ers towards the end. LOL
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Brahmin, you say?
I reiterate from the post to which you attempted a cogent reply:
and what you have today is a mere glimmering of that former blood
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Curious question: I hear that Indian women get raped a lot on one hand but then hear from Indian men that they can be accused of rape at the drop of the hat. Which is it? Or is this more related to class/status?
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I don’t know if they get raped a lot, but I know they get a lot of street harassment. I never heard that Indian men have much to fear from rape accusations. That sounds delusional.
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I got the raped part from the news reports, but heard from a missionary something about women being beaten a lot with no recourse to the police who would probably just rape them if they went to them.
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Jesus guvking chrust
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/04/3974135/trolley-depot-headed-back-to-coral.html
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Lawyers are often assholes, law schools are the worst. Law clinics are there to teach aspiring lawyers how to be assholes and disrupt society.
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Jesus ducking chryst.
Black ghetto renters get free Law student help protecting their “property rights” (NIMBY trolley story). But landowners have no property or due process rights. The US constitution is dead.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/04/3974058/miami-historic-preservation-board.html
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Hillerycunt just compared Putin to Hitler.
What a harpie.
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> “Hillerycunt just compared Putin to Hitler.”
She’s simply reading the script which the Frankfurt School wrote for her.
It’s her audition for succeeding the current Frankfurt School puppet, Barry Soebarkah Dunham, as the official human being who stands before the TOTUS* and mouths the words which appear on the screen.
*Teleprompter of the United States.
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I past audition at Chelskis weding
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She’s very diplomatic. Oprah will make her President next!
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wanted to see who could come up with the best suggestion for passing these shit tests:
1.) (when in bed) You got skinnier…
2.) you vanished and dropped off the face of the earth….
Also, do you think reframing #2 is better than amp and agreeing?
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1) Then you best go make me a sandwich
2) Well I had to lay low for while ’till things blew over
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1) Prison will do that to you.
2) I used my one phone call for my lawyer.
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1) …
2) …
It’s best to say nothing.
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1. “Good thing my dick didn’t”
2. “Osmond Tour ran long, but I’m here now”
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1) be a stud. fuck her good. get a girl who doesn’t shit test you after that happens.
2) be a stud. fuck her good. get a girl who doesn’t shit test you after that happens.
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try harder darkhorse
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The best cure for the pain of Nihilistic insights is the realization that you were in fact, born in hell from your first desperate, air-starved,, life-hungry cry.
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The entitled cunt bar has been raised
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky-dad-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader-18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html
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Fortunately the judge told her and her lawyer to pound sand.
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cheating expectations
ecstatic surrender
contrast is king.
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”@mikegrubber @AnarchoPapist Upper middle class woman upside: Low cheating risk. Upper middle class woman downside: High frigidity risk. 10 hours ago”
What does frigid even mean? There is no such thing as frigidity..
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Believe it or not, sugar-britches, just as there are women out there who can’t say no/can’t get enough (as it were), there are also some ladies who couldn’t give a tinker’s damn if they never had sex again.
Ever hear of the term “Ice Queen”? It didn’t arise in a vacuum.
There was some poll taken awhile back (the source escapes me at the moment) in which several hundred ladies (ages varied) were asked: “What would you rather have, great sex for a year or $10,000 dollars”?
If memory serves, less than 20% chose the first option… an anecdotal piece of evidence, admittedly, but I’d venture it’s a fair generalization on the difference between men and women… and even women and women.
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Except for some very unusual genetic/congenital defect, the lady bits should work as such. Maybe more an artifact of generalized manboobery?
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That’s always been the Cathedral feminist version… if a woman can’t orgasm like a broken dyke (no pun intended), then somehow it’s because a man doesn’t know how to operate the equipment.
Although there’s always going to cases like that, I would argue that there are some women that are just not all that sexual… nor care to be.
I’d wager that most men over the age of 30 have experienced both ends of the spectrum to varying degrees when it comes to their relationships over the years.
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Absolutely there are women who are not that sexual. There are women who haven’t experienced an orgasm and, more importantly, have no desire to. It could be psychological, it could be a chemical imbalance… who knows. I think these women tend to view sex as incidental to the relationship, instead of integral to it.
We don’t use the word “frigid”, but there are men with low sex drives, too.
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I would image a good orgasm to a woman feels something like watching Larry Bird’s left-handed shooting game……..
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Tiger Woods’ wife springs to mind
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mmmmeaty
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I think CH would really like “the Art of Courtly Love”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_amore_(Andreas_Capellanus)
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[…] The Book of the Courtier, published in 1528 by Castiglione, dispenses courtship advice that will sound very familiar to modern practitioners of the crimson arts. […]
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