Continuing with our latest CH series exploring the historical records for choice bits of wisdom that would be the equivalent of PUA game and Heartistian theories of the sexual market today, reader Arbiter forwards this excerpt from a 1902 issue of Cosmopolitan Magazine (before it became a women’s rag. Rag. Heh.):
The author explains the “Sissy”:
He is polite and rather anxious to please. He wishes always to do the thing which happens to be the proper thing at any given time. He never would think of initiating anything novel or starting out in a new and unexpected course. He likes very much to be with ladies, and ladies like him – in a way. He is a most useful creature and absolutely harmless, intended by Providence to carry wraps and rugs, to order carriages, to provide theater-tickets, flowers, bon-bons, opera-boxes and four-in-hands, according to his means and the position which he holds. He will call regularly upon a girl and in fact upon all the girls he knows, and he will keep it up for years, and it will never mean anything to him or to them, for he is essentially a tame cat…He is really an indispensable person in our modern life; for it is desirable that young women should have some male creature about them to fetch and carry – one who will do it all for the mere pleasure of the service, and who will never agitate them and disquiet them or make them feel it necessary to be on their guard.
“In a way”. 😆 😆
In 1902, (a modern age to the men living back then), men knew what being a beta orbiter meant. Thus we have proof that the sexless friendzone and the female exploitation of servile, supplicating men for “beta bux” have existed for over 100 years, and probably a hell of a lot longer than that.
He then proceeds to describe the qualities that make men respect other men. The explanation is long, but in short he must be honorable, reasonable, courageous and gentle.
The last one does not mean being effeminate, but a refinement in character:
Intellectually it means intuition, sensitiveness to all impressions, and the imaginative element which illumines the dark places of the mind and shows the way to great achievement. Temperamentally it denotes gentleness, and the tenderness which is the perfect complement to strength. It is to men who have this last and finest gift, that other men, since history began, have given not alone their liking but their service, their devotion, and their very lives.
What then is the conclusion? Men like in men these traits: the honor that ennobles; the justice that insures the right; the reasonableness that mellows and makes plain; the courage that proclaims virility; the generous instinct that disdains all meanness; the modesty that makes no boast; the dignity that wins respect; the fineness and the tenderness that know and feel. But when one thinks of it more carefully, may he not sum it up in just a single sentence, and accept it as truth, that all men like a gentleman?
Beta niceguys reading the above passage are undoubtedly saying to themselves, “Reasonableness? Generosity? Modesty? Tenderness? Hey, wait, I have all those qualities! Why don’t men admire me and women invite me to their beds?”
Because, dear beta, you must impress upon people you are those virtuous things by choice, and not by necessity. And the way to prove that is by first demonstrating that you are capable of behaving in the opposite fashion, as suits your needs.
Take a page from the sexy jerk. Watch how he shits with impunity on the polite norms of society, gets the girl and the admiration of his friends, and then pulls a rabbit out of the hat with a sudden and unexpected generous gesture that provokes an explosion of love kibbles raining on his dinner plate.
People, particularly women, overdose on virtue quickly. The scarcity principle applies here. You don’t want to be that dependable guy who’s always there for her; you want to be that inscrutable dark triad jerk whose occasional forays into the Light are greeted with glowing encomiums and flowering furrows.

Love it.
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When I read that part about Sissies, I was surprised by how well it corresponds with CH’s warnings about beta behavior. I also remember something from The Song of Roland, the oldest surviving French novel, written around 1140-1170. It goes something like this: A knight should not obey his lady in all that she asks of him. At first she will be delighted, but she will soon come to resent him.
The story above is worth reading in its entirety. If for nothing else, so to see what people thought in saner times. This kind of advice is not something that has been made up recently, it has a long and honored history. As for being a man respected by others, the part about being “gentle” required some description, because many would probably misinterpret it. But the parts before that are also valuable reading:
First of all, a man must be what other men call “square” – which implies that he must have a sense of honor. This means so much in the relations of men with men. From women they do not expect it, at least in the fullest sense – a man’s sense; but it is the very corner-stone of friendship among men. For it does not mean that one must be merely true to his friends, but, in a sense, to those who are not his friends, who are even, possibly, his enemies. Fair play and the rigor of the game is a masculine ideal; and men will trust and like and honor those who live up to its strict requirements. The foundation of it all is justice – the most masculine of virtues, and the only one in which no woman ever had a share. Some women have been generous, and many have been brave and wise and self-denying, but there has never lived a woman who was absolutely just. Justice, even-handed, clear-eyed, supreme over prejudice and passion – this is God’s gift to man alone, and man alone can feel how splendid and sublime a thing it is.
Allied to it is reasonableness, another virtue that appeals to men when found in other men. It involves a number of related qualities, and most of all a sense of humor which throws a clear light of its own upon so many difficulties, and sets things in their true proportions, and shows how small the small things really are. Reasonableness is the lubricant of life, as the lack of it is the irritant. No other virtue can quite compensate for the absence of this reasonableness; and he who has the quality is one to whom all men will be drawn as by a magnet.
Then there is courage, without which man is not a man; and generosity, which really is an element of reasonableness; and with these, modesty, which, while it quietly conceals the other traits, does in the end enhance their value and increase the charm which they possess. And dignity, which many would not name or think of, is a most important element in the character of the man whom other men most like. For dignity is not to be confounded with its counterfeits – with stiffness or pomposity, or even with reserve. It is the touch of self-respect which exists in every fine character and which is never consciously assertive but which even the most careless spirit can feel and recognize. No really great man ever lacked it; and no human being ever felt it to be other than a claim upon his liking. For it means that somewhere there exists a barrier which none can pass, a barrier which shuts the way to the sanctuary of a human soul. And men respect this, and without respect there is no liking that endures.
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Love the description of dignity. Fantastic.
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Fantastic.
-And here I thought all the Troubadours were Beta sissies.
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Schopenhauer thought the same:
“So that it will be found that the fundamental fault in the character of women is that they have no “sense of justice.” This arises from their deficiency in the power of reasoning already referred to, and reflection, but is also partly due to the fact that Nature has not destined them, as the weaker sex, to be dependent on strength but on cunning; this is why they are instinctively crafty, and have an ineradicable tendency to lie.”
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She is launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same…
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This is all great stuff but consider it the graduate course.
Don’t get distracted by it until your self concept, your arrogance, your way with women is easy. It’s easy to take these principles in the wrong way and treat women too kindly, because women cannot appreciate this sort of behavior and see it as weakness.
Don’t throw your pearls before swine. Swine, in this case, would be many men and pretty much all women, maybe all.
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The eternal discord between truths which were known and anticipated a priori versus truths which have been experienced and then reflected upon a posteriori.
By the way, Schopenhauer is inverting [converting?] Kant in that excerpt:
‘…they have no “sense of justice.” This arises from their deficiency in the power of reasoning…’
Kant held that logic was the child of morality [ergo to behave illogically was necessarily to behave immorally], whereas Schopenhauer seems to be saying that immoral behavior springs from illogical behavior.
I don’t have a dog in that fight, but however the relationship exists [between logic and morality], I have long felt that women have no innate sense of the difference between right and wrong – that, whereas men [or at least most men?] seem to be burdened by a sense of foreboding and nascent guilt about the [possibly disastrous] consequences of their actions, so that men can naturally sniff out the distinction betwen right and wrong, [most if not all] women, on the other hand, have to be TAUGHT the difference between right and wrong.
That, for [most if not all] women, “morality” is an acquired knowledge, learned from years of forced study.
And the persons who do that teaching are called their FATHERS and their HUSBANDS.
Of course, if this is true – that women adhere to the tenets of the “morality” which has been taught to them [by whomever it is who does the teaching: Sesame Street or Nickelodeon or the Disney Channels or their “Family Life” teachers in Middle School or their FemLit professors in college] – then it would explain the phenomenal success which The Frankfurt School has had in convincing women to ride the carousel, like Madonna and Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus and Sandra Fluke, or to go completely insane and grow old and barren and live all alone in an apartment filled with cats, like Lindsay Lohan and Ellen Degeneres and Rachel Maddow and apparently poor old Kim Novak [who was once one of the most exquisitely beautiful creatures ever to walk the face of this earth].
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The Song of Roland is a poem.
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So many times I come to CH and read the latest – and slap my forehead over the girls I chased but failed to get … as the light dawns on why I failed…
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Awesome post! Sissies are sickly sweet. Women can be too sweet as well.
If virtue is always positive, that is boring. One can be virtuous always, but virtue can be used to break rapport as well as establish it.
The preeminent example of virtue, Christ, established rapport with prostitutes and broke it with Pharisees. Push/pull.
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LOL…wtf…The only “Jesus” doing push pull with hookers is a Mexican drug dealer running game at the Spearmint Rhino.
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dorko, you are picky. XD
Jesus and the woman at the well >> classic push/pull
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4
Jesus and The Syrophoenician Woman >> classic push/pull http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15&version=NASB
Jesus and the adulterous woman
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=NASB
Last one was probably a prostitute. Maybe the first, too.
My statement, read correctly, didn’t say that push/pull was used with prostitutes, but that Jesus both pushed and pulled. Anyway, I found better examples, so your feedback was helpful.
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Let’s do away with that habit of simply posting links to some Bible story and claiming that it proves your point, counting on people not having the time and energy to read the whole thing. I actually did read them, and there is no push/pull there. Do you know what that is? Jesus (or more precisely, the author) simply has some opinion that he expresses, and yes, there are women present in the story. That is not “push/pull”.
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You have a chip on your shoulder. Let it lay, while you’re here. Plenty of us are servants of the Christ and yet we’re still on your side.
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If you want to fuck a lot of bitches, either become a nihilistic athiest or convert to Islam. This chat board might not be for you, choir boy lol. Thanks for the scripture though.
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lol. Well, how would you know, sutd muffin? The only lady you’ve banged is your mom with Anne Hathaway’s picture duct taped over her face…
Rape!
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Duct tape.
Rape.
Duct tape.
Rape.
Duct tape.
Rape.
You know, there might be a poem in there somewhere.
Or at least some really dark goth heavy-metal rock-n-roll lyrics.
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Dude, hookers are poison for inner game. That’s why Jesus lost his power and was crucified.
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Tell us more atheist pussy. Your handle is so badass….
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Dan, would Jesus call someone a “pussy”? I’m no Christian, and I don’t call people that. Time and time again I find that I live up to the moral ideals – well, the good ones – that Christians claim to espouse more than the average Christian does. It seems religion, to some, is simply a shiny badge to pin on their coat.
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Dan, you’ve inspired me to sign up for ChristianMingle and try to game some of those bitches with my most hardcore stuff.
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Jesus called His best friend “Satan”, and was known for His stern rebukes… so let’s not play the Cathedral’s tsk-tsk game here, of all places.
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Dan, would Jesus call someone a “pussy”?
No, He’d use — and I’m sure He did use — much more highbrow, Chestertonian language to suggest the same thing.
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Jesus called a certain group of people a “race of snakes”. That’s a bit harsher than “pussy”.
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Dan, you’ve inspired me to sign up for ChristianMingle and try to game some of those bitches with my most hardcore stuff.
Avaunt, impious fool!
i>Therefore I have sworn against them,” declares the Lord GOD, “that they shall bear the punishment for their iniquity.
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No they’re not. It depends on your attitude towards them on how they impact you. I’ve always had a good rapport with hookers I’ve been with and my inner game is fine.
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I don’t pretend to speak for everybody, but I’d like to believe that there is a large cohort of Old School Gamesters here who would be very happy with simply fucking one lone woman, many many many times over the course of her life, just so long as a relatively large portion of those fucks resulted in the live birth of a child nine months later.
In the old days, that sort of Game was called “getting married and making a family with a girl whom you [deep down with the utmost secrecy in your heart of hearts] actually kinda sorta maybe might really care about”.
At least enough to want to see your progeny emerge from her birth canal.
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QFT
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I don’t believe there are. I believe there are a few younger guys going out and picking up chicks. The majority of the young guys seem to be associated with social circle game. They’re cold approaching in colleges and college-town bars.
I believe most of the guys on here have major confidence issues and can’t even talk to a woman without it being incredibly social awkward, let alone seduce a woman.
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Most of the old guys on this site have zero game. They have hatred of women. They got broken down by their one true love, who got fat and took their money and kids. And to get back at them they crack one-liners about women on the Internet.
[CH: Could you please stop casting aspersions on the entire commentariat? It reeks of female troll.]
One exception I see is Buena Vista. Guy admits he was beta and is now playing buy his own rules, fucking bitches…he never turned into a hateful hermetic wuss.
He also adds to the site with his observations.
Props to Buena Vista.
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Dude, hookers are poison for inner game. That’s why Jesus lost his power and was crucified.
Stupid, blasphemous, and muh-dikking is no way to go through life, negro.
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hookers will make a man even more weird and introverted….just get out there and take up space/air time..it will all work out….relax and game on
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Jared Leto plays a Jesus Game.
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Jesus is coming!
….and he looks pissed.
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Needs a “like” button.
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He’s referring to push pull in terms of Christ’s overall message and ministry which would be accurate. You’re deliberately misinterpreting his post in order to ridicule him and Christianity.
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Still no description of what would be “push/pull” in those links. Do you perhaps equate push/pull with acting cool, and you think that’s what you see in writings like these? Let’s be clear: just like “alpha” specifically means a man’s ability to attract women, and not his wider success in life (many betas are very successful in their various careers and other endeavors), so is push/pull only a technique used for attracting women in game, not a word to use for any interaction you consider winning.
Speaking of Jesus and game: Do you think his body, created for a specific and pre-planned purpose on earth, produced sperm? And related, do you think he ever had erections? If so, why? I imagine Medieval monks and bishops could debate that for days, much like they debated whether Jesus had a purse in The Name of the Rose.
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I believe he survived the crucifixion and went to India with Mary Magdalene, who he married and had children with.
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I don’t see any push/pull in the cited passages, either. I do see depictions of completely confident mastery. The only parts of the gospels where we see Jesus depicted as not in control of a situation are at the end, where he is shown asking God to not have to die.
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I dont think J was actually the Son Of God,he was a normal human. Yep he had erections,most likely he was married and had children. In those days to be a healthy working man(carpenter,remember?) and not have kids meant getting attention as a weirdo. To ask if he made sperm is a very bizarre question. Its 2014 dude…
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To be a carpenter in the desert is like being a community organizer in Chicago.
Not buying either one.
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Do you know at what age the Galilean men of that time were marrying? Have you even thought about it?
Jesus began his ministry at the age of thirty. He died at about 33. That’s well short of Aristotle’s recommendation for a men to marry at 37.
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trying to get maria magdalena to hide the work in her culo, winona ryder style
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lmao. This little virgin just won’t quit. Go, virgin, go! Though I would refrain from stating what city you live in, if I were you. Anne Hathaway’s security would be able to find you and slap the restraining order against you if you did.
Rape!
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Yes. A man walked the streets of Jerusalem and convinced several individuals that he was God. If that isn’t charisma….
lol@virtue, tho.
Power, bray. Power.
Either raw strength or raw will. Have at least one.
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Actually, the idea that Yeshua ben Josef (as his real name was; “Jesus” is simply the Greek version of the word) was the Jewish god Yahweh came only later in the Roman Empire. You can imagine how it goes: no one is allowed to say anything critical or negative about an icon. Likewise, they aren’t allowed to say anything positive about those who oppose the icon. So when people come up with grander and grander claims about the icon, you can’t speak against that without being accused of belonging to “the other side”. When finally some leaders decided to trump everyone else by claiming that Yeshua was in fact God Himself, no one could oppose that claim. To do so would mean you risked becoming a target.
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MLK is fast becoming an American god.
You don’t have to imagine the process, you are stuck in it. Except with MLK you get to sacrifice your children to the Moloch so Deshaniqua can have you pay for her offspring.
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Indeed. I have kids in elementary school. Did you know that Black History Month actually last 6 months? Literally 80% of everything taught to kids in public school today is the greatness of Saint MLK Jr the King.
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My kids get picked every year to do a presentation during morning announcements. Every year they read a little bio of MLK Jr. Not kidding. As many years as my eldest kid has been in school, that’s how many years she’s written and performed a little skit about Dr. MLK Jr. the King. And the little one did it this year. She’s 1 for 1.
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> “MLK is fast becoming an American god.”
Before it’s all said and done, Michelle LaVaughn Soebarkah Dunham Love will have a thing or two to say about that.
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She’s bigger and tougher than he was. He never played middle linebacker.
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They keep forgetting to mention that he plagiarized his dissertation. Half of it was directly copied word for word from a book that was either recently published or soon to be published, written by someone else.
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Hell, Barry Soebarkah Dunham Love was so fucking lazy [or so hi on ganja?]that he didn’t even bother to plagiarize his own book.
He just went straight to his old blow-job pal at Columbia, Bill Ayers, and had L’il Billy write it for him.
BTW, Michelle LaVaughn was BFF with Billy’s wife, Bernardine “Dohrn” Ohrnstein, at Sidley Austin.
Just like how Barry’s Mom, Stanley Ann Soebarkah Dunham, was BFF with Tim Geithner’s father, Peter Geithner.
It’s a small, small world in Frankfurt School circles.
“Inner Inner Party” and whatnot.
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See, they’ve got inner game too.
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His dissertation, a bunch of his speeches, they always downplay his beliefs after the Civil Rights Act passed, his affiliation with communists, his philandering etc.
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This elevation of Christ to God status evolution you describe lasted several hundred years and was the cause of a low level civil war in the Eastern Empire and later Byzantium. However Christ was always seen as a divine prophet nor is the elevation to God status the work of man, since he spoke of it many times in his ministry and early Christian beliefs and writings also support that idea, so the comparisons to the pagan process of humans creating divine status out of mortals a la MLK or Augustus Caesar is misleading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
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I feel like you and Arbiter missed the point of the post.
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I feel not, we are simply expanding the topic.
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“since he spoke of it many times in his ministry” – Did he? The Bible was composed by Catholic monks, who at times had heated debates about what to include. They excluded the story about Lilith, Adam’s first wife, for example. Now that would have been an interesting addition.
Fun fact: The belief in a deity who sacrifices himself in order to bring life to the tribe, and who is then resurrected, is an old one. It was widespread among the Celtic tribes who used to live in a vast area above the Italian peninsula, and also in its northern part. Usually it was a nature god, or the son of a nature goddess, who died so that the ground would be fertile yet another year, and come harvest time he was magically restored to life. The Pan figure is part of this – the pre-Jesus, as it were. And of course, the idea of trinity is an old Aryan concept. You had Odin, Thor and Frey in the north before the mythology was expanded, and this pattern is seen all the way to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in India. But I digress. The point is, what was included in the book composed by Yeshua ben Josef’s admirers was not as “holy” as believed by those unaware of the true width of European history.
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I suppose the theory that Adam and Noah knew of the Trinity and of a god being sacrificed in the future and passed it down to their Indo-European descendants who kept the idea alive in corrupted form is totally beyond the realm of possibility.
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There are works not included in the bible that are contemporary for instance the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hamadi Gospels. You’ve mentioned nothing new to me regarding ancient beliefs. Why couldn’t they have been half right?
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“The Bible was composed by Catholic monks”
Friend, your ignorance is deep. And you’re sloppy. I think by “the Bible” you mean “The New Testament”. The “Old Testament” existed, at least in the form of the LXX, long before any bishop of Rome had declared primacy. Fragments of it are found in the Dead Sea scrolls. So you can’t blame the papists for that.
As to the “New Testament”, do you know how early the earliest manuscripts are dated to? And are they before or after the time to which you would assign the beginning of the “Catholic” church? And when were the first monasteries founded?
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Actually, there were no monks as they are commonly understood to have existed in the Middle Ages yet when the New testament was written. Moreover, the documents in the New Testment existed prior to its creation at the Nicene Council. Early Christians met in houses or caves and many writings were recorded by those same Christians. At the Nicene Council, the major writings were evaluated and selected to create a uniform doctrine that was perceived to be the most accurate and reflective of God’s will. I consider it to have been a good faith effort, if perhaps imperfect. That is where human intervention first became prominent in determining what would become Church theology.
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you might want to google “textual criticism biblical canon”
and “biblical prophecy proves historical scripture” my ignorant friend
Also the nonsense that Christianity is a religion based on pagan gods and fertility cycles has been disproven many years ago in scholarly circles, but sure enough is still going around the internet for idiots like yourself to believe in……
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Nag Hamadi Gospels—Insane Coptic renditions of the already written gosples. Simple historical stuff here…. google “nag hammadi coptic text”
You listen to ignorant PC Liberal “theologians” too much….
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It’s hard to argue Scripture with someone who thinks the DaVinci Code is nonfiction… and accurate… sigh. 😦
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“Actually, the idea that Yeshua ben Josef (as his real name was; “Jesus” is simply the Greek version of the word) was the Jewish god Yahweh came only later in the Roman Empire.”
Hey, Arbiter, what is the earliest known manuscript of John?
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“Sissy” indeed.
As described, this is not a beta orbiter. This is a sterotypical gay friend right out of Sex and the City.
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Could also be a beta orbiter. I have seen that kind of behavior.
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Wow. Guess not much has changed for the orbiters/white knights since 1902.
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Thus we have proof that the sexless friendzone and the female exploitation of servile, supplicating men for “beta bux” have existed for over 100 years, and probably a hell of a lot longer than that.
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It’s existed since Eve first got her period …
Martha K McClintock on Menstrual Synchrony:
… a group of females need between them just one dominant male, desirable in view of his high-quality genes. Then, logically, they should avoid synchronizing their cycles. The basic principle is that the more females are fertile at any one time, the harder it is for any single male to monopolize access to them…
By the same token, if males during the course of human evolution became valued by females for additional purposes – hunting and bringing home food, for example – then females should resist being controlled by dominant male. If males are useful partners to have and keep around, then ideally each female should have at least one for herself. Under those circumstances, females synchronize as tightly as they can…
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“By the same token, if males during the course of human evolution became valued by females for additional purposes – hunting and bringing home food, for example – then females should resist being controlled by dominant male. If males are useful partners to have and keep around, then ideally each female should have at least one for herself. Under those circumstances, females synchronize as tightly as they can…”
That’s so interesting, I didn’t know there was a evolutionary reason for that synchronization. Although she makes it sound like we have control over it, and of course we don’t.
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Seeing that twice as many women as men have modern descendants, I think a strong case exists for the “house pet + lover” theory.
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Can you blame men 100% for this? They were coming from a period in America where betaness was valued and rewarded. Nobody could have predicted the cock carouselling that would come with the large cities.
Also, everyone note that these actions were pre pill and pre cell phone.
Also, how does this story conflict with the CH theory of the pill changing America?
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This is why not only women shouldn’t have the right to vote, but most men shouldn’t either.
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Then who would fight your wars for you when the lean hungry barbarians roll up to snatch your happy meaL?
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lol @ the porch monkey’s historical ignorance at wars before universal suffrage.
Rape!
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LOL @ at the pink faced faggot that tries to put the shit back in the horse.
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lmao rofl. More historical ignorance from the subhuman!
Do you really think that, once given, suffrage to monkeys, bitches, and the like has NEVER been revoked? lol. Read some history, son.
And get raped!
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Let’s set fire to the shit and the horse.
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White Americans seem to still enlist in the army of a government that despises them and they protect a class of people who openly show their contempt towards them. There are plenty of fool in the world.
This being said, I wouldn’t mind veterans voting if they also meet other criteria. This would mean their votes actually matter, unlike now. Even more, we have universal suffrage now and men don’t seem to line up to throw out all the moochers that moved to the West since the 1960s. So in effect, the happy meal is already being stolen. I doubt Swedes would be worse off if their army didn’t exist. What exactly would happen? Tens of thousands of people would move there every year?
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barbarians? Haha! Humans will be obsolete in 50-100 years thanks to robots and AI….invented by mostly white peoples of course….
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From the cosmo description of the man, it almost seems like women (who probably have better gay-dar than us and can tell when a guy is gay or not) see the beta-provider and the “gay-friend” as equal and the same…especially with the final:
“will never agitate them and disquiet them or make them feel it necessary to be on their guard.”
They know who’s gay and treat them all the same…makes you think
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Yes, I think women have better gay-dar as straight men give off a sexual vibe to them that gay men lack with women.
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Women always treat beta straight males like shit.
They are sometimes very interested in hanging with gay men though, aren’t they?
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Betas and Gays broadcast on wavelengths that don’t cause Gina-Tinglz.
Women are highly attuned – and are dialing-in before the first affected lisp or needy nice guy gesture. They’re not visual creatures – they rely on intuition.
Ever met a fag that later proved to be straight dude?
Ever met a straight dude that later proved to be a fag?
One would get a high-five … The other a punch in the face.
You might treat them the same initially, but you’d have much different reactions when your impressions proved wrong.
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“They know who’s gay and treat them all the same…makes you think”
Nah, more like eunuchs.
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Be stingy with your affections, and frugal with your emotions.
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‘Because, dear beta, you must impress upon people you are those virtuous things by choice, and not by necessity.’
Ah, finally.
Really just do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want, tho. Unrestrict yourself, and the rest will follow.
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Nah, you have to understand when you are breaking rapport and when you need to reestablish it. It’s not just do whatever you want. Don’t be afraid to break rapport is the takeaway.
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You already understand this shit. It’s in your DNA. You are a biological machine designed to survive. Your instincts have been forged over eons. Do you honestly believe that ‘breaking rapport’ was a nothing concept until someone explicated it in a book? C’mon. Someone observed it, then wrote it down.
Just try it. Start doing whatever you want and expressing yourself. Stop trying to control shit. Your days will feel much more full.
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Well, you can compare it to fighting. Instinctively you know how to fight. But to be truly good at it, especially when you compete with others who also have the same instinct, instructions can help. Some are greatly talented and don’t need instructions at all, but I think most would benefit. And this is especially true if you have lived a long life of never doing much fighting, and when those around you have always frowned upon fighting.
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Ya. The best way to learn how to fight is to fight continuously — better fighters than you. You can train and shit, but ultimately it really doesn’t matter until you step inside the ring: everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
By just putting yourself in the ring and doing whatever you can/want…you’ll learn over time what works for you and what you need to work on.
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But ya gotta be durable…. real durable… most ain’t.
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No amount of instruction in the world will help a bitch disposition, then.
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But then why do boxers practice? Why do they have coaches? Why do they learn words like jab and uppercut? Theory and practice together, that’s the ticket.
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All I’m saying is that throwing yourself into the shit and doing whatever you want to do in the moment will intuitively teach you all of this — and it will probably feel better. If you have “do what you want,” as your prime directive…that’s like 80% of inner game solved. Now you just need to get out there. The external techniques will follow, but they’re really not what’s important to learn at first.
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@Arbiter
Ya, I agree. I’ve spent a lot of time around Naturals who are just winging it and that is awesome to a point, it’ll get you farther than like 90% of normal guys get. But even tho they’re my buddies, a trained PUA would easily take girls off them no problem and leave them wondering wtf just happened.
Same way the guy who’s done great in a bunch of bar brawls will take a fast flowing solid combo from a trained boxer and wake up on the floor wondering wtf just happened and why he couldn’t land a punch on the guy.
Like one on one with the girl, no interference or obstacles or distractions or anything, ya just expressing yourself and doing what you want is great and is enough to get you laid and for a lot of guys that’s all they want/need. But there are levels beyond that that require training.
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It’s the same way with fighting, no need to invent the wheel.
The best have both training and experience.
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I’m a natural and autistic. I don’t think about breaking rapport. I just do it. I have to think about how to provide comfort to reestablish rapport. I didn’t read a book to figure this out–I don’t know wth you’re talking about.
If I were all about expressing myself and doing what I want without regard to anyone else, I’d always be breaking rapport and not reestablishing it. What you’re saying makes no sense whatsoever.
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In the context of women, why are you afraid of -always- breaking rapport?
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If you have no rapport with women, they leave after a while. Kind of obvious. You have to reestablish rapport after breaking it to keep them around.
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K, so you’re afraid of women leaving you…why, exactly?
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I’m not afraid. Projection?
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They leave after a while if you ignore them, no fear that’s what they do.
I’m the same way, was never a nice guy.
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Getting drunk and coked up before going out helped me through my spergy tendencies. That was before i heard of the dark enlightenment though.
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I find that reading about these techniques is interesting and strange, but when I try them they feel very natural and instantly become a part of my personality. So then using them is just doing what is interesting, or fun, or feels appropriate.
But they would not be so easy to apply if I weren’t programmed or built for the role.
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“Unrestrict yourself, and the rest will follow.”
You need some restrictions…it’s the difference between a fire in a fireplace and a fire outside a fireplace.
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Strings hold your shoes on.
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One is little and puny and the other rages and is generally awe-inspiring? That difference?
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More like one provides warmth and the other burns the house down. Kind of obvious.
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And which is the better sight to behold…?
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scray, you’re being spergy again. stop it.
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Scray on crack or just too much steroids?
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Ya…the radical notion of ‘doing whatever the fuck you want’ with women would come off as me being high to you guys. Only way to live life is free. Chicks dig it.
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don’t go full aaron alexis
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Watching the feminist house burning down.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
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Yeah I’m one guy that needs restrictions.
Otherwise I’d say, “hi, I’d like to have sex with you” Then I’d smack her over the head and take her home.
The truth has to be somewhere in the middle.
That said, over the top shit works sometimes.
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The whole era could be mined for priceless gems :
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Is that really contemporary art? Or is it modern?
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“Because, dear beta, you must impress upon people you are those virtuous things by choice, and not by necessity. And the way to prove that is by first demonstrating that you are capable of behaving in the opposite fashion, as suits your needs.”
Just like much in game, this is applicable to much else in life. This reads like something straight out of Machiavelli.
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I think it is important to show people what a “gentleman” really was in Victorian times. Most people will think of some Monty Python caricature. The redcoats were not fops when they laid the world by their feet, and the society that sent them out was not weak. At one point Britain had a larger production than the rest of the world combined. When you were gentle, you were so after having beaten up a bull and had its pumping heart for breakfast while inventing geology on the side. As Heartiste says somewhere, this is why those hard rock (or is it metal?) singers can get away with singing sappy love songs on stage.
It is okay to extend a kind hand when it is calloused by hard work and everyone has seen it turn into a fist on occasion.
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Banastre Tarleton is a favorite character from that period.
He’s best known as a cavalry commander when he was a lad in the AWI. After that he built the empire elsewhere. Hugely powerful man in the Regency period later on.
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When visiting Paris I took a tour of Louis 14-16 palace at Versailles. The tourguide told the story that gentlemen could come and watch the king (I think this was Louis 14, not sure which) eat. And of course they could bring in their guns. And furthermore, since every gentleman carried a gun, if someone wanted to come in who did not own a gun, he would be issued a gun to keep while he was visiting, to return as he left.
The king was watched by any armed men who wanted while he ate. And nobody ever attacked him.
But importantly here, every gentleman was expected to carry a deadly weapon. It’s just a part of the role.
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The best example of this is the Gatsby, Buchanan, Carraway archetypes.
Buchanan is clearly the better man.
He possesses Daisy, fucks the slut at the gas station, he’s out and out racist–proto nazi. He gets his main rival killed and subdues Caraway into a eunuch.
Gatsby, romantic fool gets shot to protect the reputation of a cunt. Could have been banging any nice or not so nice NYC floozy or heiress. Dumbass.
Carraway, intelligent sensitive and brilliant, he pokes Jordan Baker once or twice seems like a eunuch asexual orbiter.
I’m most impressed by Buchanan and I think Fitzgerald was secretly an admirer too.
Guys: be a ruthless racist, destroy your rivals by fair or foul means, laugh at the moral and the sensitive, for they are not living out their nature.
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strongly disagree with your advice …for young men who follow that..will lead to disaster
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Distasteful for whom?
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YKW
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No, Fitzgerald held both Gatsby and Buchanan in equal honor/contempt. He didn’t recommend one over another.
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Buchanan comes off like a shit head.
But, he wins.
He’s a stone faced killer.
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I remember reading part of a collection of essays by Fitzgerald. one of the essays dealt with his views on race race, and Fitzgerald turned out to be quite the Nordicist, if anything. It always struck me as odd that he would make Buchanan the “bad guy” in the Great Gatsby, yet give him the beliefs that Fitzgerald himself believed in.
Looking at Fitzgerald as a person, though, maybe it makes a bit more sense. It’s no secret that Fitzgerald was beta for Zelda. Any sane man would have dumped her crazy ass early on. He catered to her every whim and desire, though, and in the end she literally went crazy. Betas literally drive women crazy.
Buchanan was the man Fitzgerald wanted to be: unabashedly masculine, a womanizer, racist, and WASP. It’s no secret that Fitzgerald’s biggest desire was to be part of the WASP club. He was an Irishman, though, and had to climb the ladder there instead, much like Gatsby.
Gatsby is the reflection of Fitzgerald himself. Successful, but still slightly beta, and without the chance of ever truly being in the “in” crowd, since he didn’t come from old money.
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Also, if there was ever a story about the reason one doesn’t put a woman on a pedestal, it’s Winter Dreams.
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I believe Fitzgerald was dealing with archetypes.
He made Buchanan obnoxious, but had enough respect for the character to have him dominate the situation. The Duke of Devon in The Duchess (Ralph Feinnes and Kiera Knightly) basically followed the same plot. However Grey eventually became PM in his own right.
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More Fitzgerald insights (on short hair!): https://www.sc.edu/fitzgerald/bernice/bernice.html
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Rather than Bernice Bobs Her Hair, someone find me the sequel… Introducing Bernice To Neal And Bob.
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Or is that just what she does?
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The story is about girl game, the malicious nature of inter female competition, and a historical snapshot of the reaction to the introduction of short hair.
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Thank you, Madame Apparent.
/Calling Gas Buttox.
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I strongly agree with this take on Buchanan and I haven’t even seen the film.
It’s interesting how often in its films Hollyweird promotes the driven, successful, violent man as the “villain,” whereas the romantic, idealistic pussy boy is deemed the “good guy.”
I suppose that’s what happens when you’re trying to appeal to females.
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The book too.
It occurred to me while reading that Daisy is a cunt and Gatsby is a deluded if charming fool.
Carraway struck me as a eunuch, watching everyone else live. Jordan was eminently bang able in the story and film. Lady Golfer though.
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“Buchanan is clearly the better man.”
Did you read the novel and what the author said about these people? He did not say what you thought he said.
“They were careless people, Tom and Daisy–they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back to their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made..”
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CH, More posts on holding court with alpha males, please. Looking for a crash course equivalent of 4 years of college football or rugby.
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Search the archive for “AMOG” and you’ll find a few posts.
The simplest way to “hold court with alpha males” is to not look at them like alpha males when you’re “holding court.”
There is no spoon.
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Learn how to like men, then learn to like yourself as a man.
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Im so schmoooove.
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It’s why we haven’t lynched you yet.
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The vanilla wafer double down bet is to try to lynch a ni66a on the internet.
But Im much too strong and blacker, for the God damn ephemeral cracker.
Even Greg Eliot started acting mental, but his health care plan didn’t cover dental.
So now he just eats oatmeal and jello; you think he wants a rematch?
Oh hell no
*drops mic; blows doubles kisses to crowd and backs off stage*
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Your self-congratulatory imaginary victories are starting to become an embarrassment of the 7-11 Slurpee douche chill brain freeze variety.
Man up, boy.
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LANGUAGE! Dis is why I’m hot.
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They got a flow and a decent beat; they need to expand their lyrics base, maybe add some more South African historical icons, animal references… to help put SA on the map and flesh out the jam on the mental.
Hip hop doesn’t have to be niggerish to be good:
Peace to the nations of Zulu and Islam,
to the Cherokees that dance to the beat of my tom tom
I speak any language Im a unique feller
I raped Godzilla and fucked Helen Keller
Awe yeah, baby baby…
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Non-niggerish rap from those crazy kids:
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Good post for the “all asshole, all the time” crowd.
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I see a booger.
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That’s schnoogie to you, buster.
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You really do like abuse.
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It’s all in fun. Life is too short to get offended all the time.
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One in each nostril.
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That snot funny.
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Waaay too picky. About your boogers.
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She’s our dream girl, here at the chateau…
This latest avatar of hers invokes the old “train going through a tunnel” dream.
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Where’s GasButtox?
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Looks like the Cydonia face.
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What did Mars ever do to you?
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Nearly fucking collided with us several times, according to Velikovsky.
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According to Donald Wesley Patten, you mean. Velikovsky thought it was Venus, IIRC.
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My recollection is that it was both Venus and Mars, several times each. Sadly, my copy of Worlds in Collision is upstairs, otherwise I could consider looking at it.
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gotta save the asshole for when you need to make a point
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that’s actually an interesting comment.. helping me dig myself out of the full blown dick fuel asshole i’ve become lately.
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“all asshole, all the time”? Clearly you didn’t read it. Perhaps you stopped at the part where he says unbiased, dispassionate justice is a masculine thing.
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omgz my comment was toward bloxus
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No, I stopped at the end. I’m not encouraging unrelenting assholery any more than CH is. I’m pointing out that this is a good post for the “all asshole” believers to read.
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for sure here in Brasil women respond to the strong masculine confident vibe..even very very attached women with a guy on paper who is genetic catch..hardwired hypergamy is natural and uncalculated…
Brasil is a very feminine place and many men with the genetic goods are just soft.. and the hard badboy is to street and a turn off to up scale educated women ..women here have not had 50 yrs of propaganda beaten into them from all sides .. the natural inclination is to be feminine… even in women that identify themselves as feminist.. here dont really have it ..it’s a play thing
it is a gold mine here if you are naturally masculine – a great place to be a man
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If I were a beta, I’d at least look for a woman who could sing until she cheated on me and filed for divorce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSajNKxLGg#t=53
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Great post. Keep up the historical evidence of game.
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adversary.
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??
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The shadow knows.
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Seconded about keeping up the historical evidence of game.
The unfortunate thing is that such tidbits of game-wisdom while commonplace enough to be in mainstream magazines a century ago are now foregone for numerous vapid ‘pretty little lies.’
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This. and this from 1922:
How closely this mirrors CH’s cautions;
“A woman, if she hates her husband (and many of them do), can make life so sour and obnoxious to him that even death upon the gallows seems sweet by comparison. This hatred, of course, is often, and perhaps almost invariably, quite justified. To be the wife of an ordinary man, indeed, is an experience that must be very hard to bear. The hollowness and vanity of the fellow, his petty meanness and stupidity, his puling sentimentality and credulity, his bombastic air of a cock on a dunghill, his anaesthesia to all whispers and summonings of the spirit, above all, his loathsome clumsiness in amour—all these things must revolt any woman above the lowest.”
And again the hippo ‘feminist’ outraged at men;
“The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. She likes masculine admiration, however violently expressed, and is quite able to take care of herself. More, she is well aware that very few men are bold enough to offer it without a plain invitation, and this awareness makes her extremely cynical of all women who complain of being harassed, beset, storied, and seduced. All the more intelligent women that I know, indeed, are unanimously of the opinion that no girl in her right senses has ever been actually seduced since the world began;”
From H.L. Mencken’s In Defense of Women, 1922
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“He is polite and rather anxious to please. He wishes always to do the thing which happens to be the proper thing at any given time. He never would think of initiating anything novel or starting out in a new and unexpected course.”
The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.”
John 2: 13-15
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And the snarky non-believers would be the first to neener-neener Him for doing something so violent and (ahem) “unchristian”.
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Snarky non-believers should learn a thing called context.
Ladies…EVERY man has that button. It would be wise for you to not present a scenerio where he presses it.
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“Snary non-believers” You sound very snarky when you say that. The snarkiest people seen online are always Christians, showing their hatred of those who don’t believe in their particular sect. Come now. What would Yeshua ben Josef say?
Indeed, there was only one real Christian, and he died on the cross. Supposedly.
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Berating the mockers and ridiculers is not being snarky… no more than Scripture stating that there are stripes for the backs of fools.
Granted, not many of us can stand up to the test of what passes for Christianity today, which is nothing more than Mickey Mouse PC… wherein any show of disdain or righteous anger is termed “unchristian”.
Personally, I should be more patient… but ever since the internet has proliferated and I’ve seen the verbal warfare that dispirits and disheartens so many Christians, I can’t help but fire both barrels back sometimes… not in the hope that I will change the mind of the target, rather, that I would give a bit of a lift to the silent onlookers who have neither the will nor ability to bandy words with the Comedy Central generation.
But I thank you for the reproof.
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The snarkiest people seen online are always Christians, showing their hatred of those who don’t believe in their particular sect.
You’re being disingenuous now… just on this forum alone, the mockery of righteousness in general, and Christianity in particular, invariably starts the fray…
And like others in the Cathedral you allegedly disdain, when a few of us stand up and give back better than we get, oh my, that’s “hatred”.
I usually agree with much of what you say, but your own bias is affecting your judgment on this issue.
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Yawn. Apparently a flat-earther who denies documentary evidence because they can’t see it. Crack a history book some time. The question of his existence was settled quite some time ago. You may question what he was, but your ignorance appears pretty limitless if you are still questioning IF he was.
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The majority of people in the world don’t believe that happened. If it was part of the Great and Important Truth about the One God, how could there be such widespread unbelief in your sect? How can there be at least two hundred of those sects arguing with each other about what is true or not – in a single book?
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Because God hates yellow and brown people.
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Many White skinned people are yellow haired, they call it blonde and is kind of distracting, however the color is yellow, some Whites may have gold colored hair, but many Asians look like they are made of gold in all their body, so beautiful
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Yeah, I always thought Oscar was a chinaman.
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Yes, look at my blonde ( cough cough Yellow ) hair.
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If it was part of the Great and Important Truth about the One God, how could there be such widespread unbelief in your sect?
Because they do not want to believe for various reasons. Sort of why there are so many feminasties, manboobs, and leftoids around.
How can there be at least two hundred of those sects arguing with each other about what is true or not – in a single book?
The Protestant sects are all based on an erroneous premise: that your own interpretation and feeelings upon reading the Bah-bull are enough to make yourself justified in the sight of God.
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I love you crazy papists. I’ll even use your version:
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I fail to grasp your point.
They rejected Jesus Christ, making the covenant inoperable. They’ll have their Messiah, indeed, but it will be the Antichrist, King of Equalism, Leftoid Extraordinaire, and Dominator of All Manboobs.
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Jeremiah 31 is generally regarded to be a prophecy of the new covenant, applying to the changes worked by the Christ.
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The majority of people in the world don’t believe that happened. If it was part of the Great and Important Truth about the One God, how could there be such widespread unbelief in your sect? How can there be at least two hundred of those sects arguing with each other about what is true or not – in a single book?
Really, man? Really?
C’mon, you know damn well that Mankind is in a fallen state and under Satanic influence and bombardment… coupled with that, just chock-full of self-centeredness and pride.
Even the Jews have a saying: “Where there are two Jews, there are three opinions.”
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C’mon, you know damn well that Mankind is in a fallen state and under Satanic influence and bombardment… coupled with that, just chock-full of self-centeredness and pride.
Shh. That’s just a Not Nice thing to say. You’re hurting people’s feewings. Even if it’s yet another Ugly Truth.
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“The majority of people in the world don’t believe that happened.”
At last, the answer to Pilate’s question!
Truth is what the majority believes.
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Touche’!
Well struck, sir.
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Barabbas is the majority’s messiah.
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Majority of the Edomites, sure.
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“The majority of people in the world don’t believe that happened.”
Mob rule has always been a good idea.
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The majority of men are betas or worse… you draw the conclusion. Go with the herd much?
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My mistake. You don’t even rise to herd level. See above.
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[…] Chateau Heartiste (or CH, it seems spelled without the circumflex since the site redesign) post “Ladies Like Him — In A Way.” It’s an informative post like always. I think it is the best blog on the Manosphere. That […]
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I read your blog post and I like what you are saying Doug, but it is hard to read even for me, who know the context and references. Maybe you could cut it down a bit in the future?
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Noted that brevity is the soul of wit.
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I think the problem is that really it’s a much longer essay (rather than a possibly shorter one), where each sentence should normally be expanded to a paragraph. But it’s OK, it would have taken longer to read when expanded to become easier to read.
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Shit! That is an insight! I’m disappointed that it never crossed my mind. So the issue might be too fast not too long. And I thought choosing the exact right word for maximum efficiency and power was only a positive always. Interesting. The problem could be information density. Sometimes people read something later and get something new out of it because it is dense if not rich with ideas.
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Awesome !!!! I really enjoyed this.
Sent from my iPhone
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“He is a most useful creature and absolutely harmless….he is essentially a tame cat”
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
Matthew 10:34
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Well, sure as shit don’t bring up Revelations and how Christ wipes out the unbelievers at the end.
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Well, if they didn’t want to get wiped out, they shouldn’ta/oughtn’ta surrounded the camp of the saints. 😡
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Or how Rome isn’t mentioned as one of the churches.
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Christ wipes them out?
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“Do you not know that he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword?”
“Turn the other cheek”
“If a man wants your coat (a mugger), give him not only your coat but your shirt as well”
“The first shall be the last and the last shall be the first”
“The prince of peace”
“There is neither Je.w nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
But yeah, you can find a Bible quote about bringing a sword. Odd that you want to bring religion to this, though.
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Don’t play that game of selective quoting… it’s been done to death, and each and every one of those can be explained within context, without the seeming contradictions that nonbelievers like to gleefully believe shows incongruence, but merely displays a lack of understanding.
Jesus spoke in parables for a reason:
“The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand” (Mat. 13:11,13).
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Parables do separate the wheat from the chaff.
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It’s because they go against the grain of the disingenuous and those of no faith. 😉
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Name the religion I brought into this.
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“Rafford Pyke,” who wrote the Cosmo article, was the pseudonym of Harry Thurston Peck, a chaired professor of Latin at Columbia University, one who evidently felt it necessary to write under a pen name.
Wikipedia shares this story of his life:
In 1910, there were newspaper reports that Peck was being sued by a former secretary for breach of promise, that is, promise of marriage. The stories included alleged excerpts from his love letters to her. Their romance had purportedly occurred around the time when Peck divorced his first wife and married his second. Though the lawsuit was eventually dismissed, and the facts of the dispute were never settled, the implication that Peck might have been involved with three women at once made for a titillating controversy.
The imperious, image-conscious president of the university, Nicholas Murray Butler, though a longtime friend and former schoolmate of Peck’s, promptly terminated the scholar’s relationship with Columbia based on nothing but the scandal in the press. Peck fought his dismissal without success.[4] Among those who tried in various ways to support Peck’s right to more considerate treatment or due process was another professor, Joel Spingarn, who soon found himself dismissed as well.[5]
Peck lived out his remaining years cut off from his former colleagues relying on income from occasional writing assignments. Increasingly depressed and unable to find work, he was sighted one day near the end of his life on the streets of Manhattan “walking in a dazed sort of way…., dressed, as was his custom, in a frock coat and silk hat, but both were extremely shabby. He passed, looking neither right nor left; he seemed entirely oblivious to his surroundings.”[6]
He committed suicide in Stamford, Conn. on March 23, 1914.[7] He was buried in Christ Church Cemetery in Greenwich, CT.[8]
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What’s the sisyfuss?
Push the rock uphill, get stonewalled, then run over.
The original beta test.
The worst part of the decadence, feminism, and collapse is that you cannot be civil or polite these days (think Victoria British empire triumphalism).
Such has been launched into the environs of the beta orbit.
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Hi might as well be gay.
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*He
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I’m gonna get me some “kibbles and tits”…
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This one hits close to home. I have been, for the majority of my life, a tame cat. A pussy! Believing incorrectly that the woman I desire would ultimately see the logic that I was the most bio-genetically fit for their charms. This never worked out for me. Everything about me screams beta-male: a Myers Briggs INFJ, the youngest in the birthing order, high IQ, introspective, etc. It is only because of CH and similar info via the interwebs that I have gotten my carrot wet with any regularity.
The key, as I have found it, is treating these broads as commodities, nothing more. They are not actresses in a movie, they are not Shakespearean love-interests. They are paradigms to be mastered and nothing more. The moment you believe you can let in, the moment you believe you can reveal your “true self” your goose is cooked. Cold reality makes fools of romantics.
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Not to worry, the INFJ is a natural leader type. Me, I’m INTJ. It’s funny how well that description fit me when I read it. There was a part about how the INTJ in a group assignment will hold back from a discussion about direction for a while and let the others debate until exhaustion before smoothly assuming a leadership role. That’s exactly how I used to do it at the university, many times. Well, I think many in the manosphere and similar are INTJ or INFJ.
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INTJ here. I work in sales for a living, but am naturally introverted with an intellectual bent.
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I’m an INTJ too and I took part in this workshop where we had to do a game against other teams and see who assumed leadership. It was a game I knew and I did allow people to debate for a couple of minutes before telling them that I know the game and you should all do this. We lost because some of them didn’t listen to me and I felt like a pretty crappy leader. I seem to have problems with people I don’t know at all because it takes a while for me to build rapport, but I’m confident I could have crushed the other teams with mine if I knew the people there.
To be honest, I never understood what’s so hard about relationships with women or other people excluding approach anxiety and initial rapport building. These are two areas I still struggle with, although I used to be a disaster at them.
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INTJ/INFJs are the “quiet” leaders, but they are still leaders. It doesn’t scream beta at all. I’m an ENFJ– now THAT screams beta.
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Reading through this has me chuckling at myself. I finally traded my little black Ford Focus on a big red F-150, and I like what it says about how my attitude has changed.
Ford Focus: yes ma’am, whatever you say dear, please don’t be bitchy
Ford F-150: we’ll make the payments work somehow, I’m getting the fucking truck I want, and this is not up for debate
It’s interesting to consider the beta bucks aspect of this. Do girls see the truck and think here is a guy with beta bucks to spend, or do they see a guy who puts comfort first and doesn’t give a shit?
Regardless of the deeper explanation, I expect to see fewer girls get an oh shit sunken look on their face when they see what I drive now. More importantly, I love the beast. It’s literally the only vehicle I’ve bought in my whole life that I actually wanted, and am in love with. It’s awesome!
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I don’t necessarily correlate pickup trucks with wealth. I’d think you were a man’s man who wants a big vehicle to haul stuff and you really don’t give a shit whether chicks like it. It’s a good thing. Congrats on the truck!
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It’s not a “pickup truck”, 5150s are plush these days.
I was looking at luxury SUVs and picked the truck instead because they all look like vagina mobiles.
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Even the ST model?
I used to say that anything with a turbo charger and clutch pedal can’t be that gay….but I’ve been wrong about the perceptions of normal people before.
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Extrapolate your thought processes further and get a Duece and a half. If i had a place to put it I’d buy one just to see a chicks face when picking her up in something 8 ft tall and long as a small house
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More like a small dick syndrome. This isn’t any different from the middle eastern douchebags who drive their BMW’s like go-carts.
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No, the 80,000 pound tractor trailer I drive is how I compensate for my small dick.
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I just tool around in my Jeep, pulling out of ditches the SWPLs who have run their Hummers into them… born Samaritan, I am. 🙂
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Ever have luck with them? My rule is “don’t help girls” but I’m not sure how far it goes, since I haven’t found myself helping girls in serious distress who might, I don’t know, be deeply grateful in the moment and show it in the way that counts.
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I hate those faggots. They ruined some of my favourite cars.
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Big car: small dick
Small car: small dick
No matter what you drive it means you have a small dick even if it’s huge.
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no license….really big dick
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BMW does make high end go carts called miniCoopers.
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Now that I think of it, they also make the “Smart Car” both of which lefty SWPL types flock to.
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They are tools, big powerful tools. Use a lot of resources, get a lot done, no wonder along the way some women get wet.
I made the mistake of buying an economy car after college. I guess the message I sent was that I could only afford the smallest least extravagant thing. And besides it was expensive because the cute little engine block warped at 20,000 miles. Couldn’t keep the head on it, always got a head gasket leak with machined heads, so the block must have been warped.
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I suspect yet another of the many benefits of being a natural alpha is that you can preserve at least a few of your comforting illusions about women without having to pay too steeply for them. As a beta, women will heedlessly double-tap those illusions in the back of the head, one by one, until your unshielded eyes are pierced, Dead Space style, by the grim reality beneath.
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True, the women I am cold and cruel to are the ones I’m able to respect more.
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Interesting…still, I think that even naturals can get a rude shock from a woman from time to time.
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A contender for comment of the week. Well done.
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Thank you kindly.
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This “sissy” behavior ie Beta Orbiter comes from a place of scarcity and people pleasing.
it’s a tough nut to crack and requires a lot of work.
Self-awareness is a crucial part of game.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/pencils-down-college-board-reveals-big-changes-sats-n45136
‘The College Board is making far-reaching changes to the SAT exam that it says will help close the test’s socioeconomic gap among college aspirants.
[Uh oh]
“What this country needs is not more tests, but more opportunities,” Coleman said at a news conference in Austin, Texas. “The real news today is not just the redesigned SAT, but the College Board’s renewed commitment to delivering opportunity.”
[Double uh oh]
The essay section — added to the test in the 2005 upgrade — will now be optional and graded separately from the rest of the exam.
The College Board won’t deduct points for incorrect answers, a penalty that some critics have said discourages guessing. Students will now simply earn points for the answers they answer correctly.
[Now if we can just make it so you also don’t get any points for answering correctly, we can eliminate all “socioeconomic” bias!]
Words used in the reading and writing sections “will no longer be vocabulary students may not have heard before and are likely not to hear again,” according to a news release. Instead, the exam will “focus on words that students will use consistently in college and beyond.”‘
[E.g. “twerk”, “muh dik”, “raciss”, “rape”, “slavery”, “patriarchy”, “lolzlzlzlzlzlz”, and so on.]
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So an 800 is now going to be 90th percentile?
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I guess selective schools will start accepting other evidence. Not only completion of rigorous online courses thru Coursera and EdX, but things like IQ tests.
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“won’t deduct points for incorrect answers, a penalty that some critics have said discourages guessing.”
Yes, because guessing or luck should be the basis of college admissions. Can’t we just drop the pretense and have a lottery that decides who goes to university? Although that would harm women, Jews and possibly blacks at elite universities.
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Whatever else goes down here about Jews, this is just silly. Jews historically have never needed a boost up, unlike other groups…
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fuck us all. they already dumbed it down like 15 years ago. now it’s a 2nd updated level of dumbed down.
I distinctly recall it was an IQ test when I took it. The part about not guessing is key. You had to STRATEGIZE about how confident you were in the answer, so answering wrongly is worse than leaving it blank. That’s the point. It more accurately measures if the student actually knows the answer instead of just allowing blind guessing that could result in lucky correct answers.
So what they are doing indeed automatically brings the “lower socioeconomic class” towards the smarter kids…no penalties for wrong guesses and he’ll luck out on a few.
It literally makes the test less precise and more “blurry.”
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In fact they should forget the correct answers and just analyze how strong and even the pencil mark is. In the real world, confident man who’s dead wrong >>>>>> beta who’s cautiously correct > beta who commits the ultimate faux pas of admitting he doesn’t know.
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The first quote sounds exactly like Irving’s Ichabod Crane. Except less mercenary.
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Mercenary.
A word that accurately describes the behaviour of all women at any given time.
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This realization — that what she’s feeling is something simple and mercenary at this moment (any moment) — makes things much easier to understand.
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That’s party of the beauty of Irving’s “Sleepy Hollow”. Crane has very feminine traits, and is a sickening figure of a man. He’s a nasty undermining gold-digger.
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This deserves an analysis. Two different cases, two very different men. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charges-brought-case-missing-nursing-student-n45576
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Shoot, here is the other story.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/massachusetts-court-rules-upskirt-photos-not-crime-n45441
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From
http://www.justfourguys.com/findings-from-an-evolutionary-psychology-conference/
Women do not find intelligence attractive
In other words, intelligence is not an indicator of good genes, and women in the fertile phase of their ovulatory cycle are not more attracted to intelligent men. This compares with facial attractiveness, facial masculinity, and cad behavior, which women do find more attractive when they’re most fertile.
Also to be noted is that women feel a greater attraction for other men during estrus if their own partner comes up short – that is, women paired up with beta males have a biological drive to cuckold them by cheating with alpha males.
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One correction. Intelligence is obviously a sign of good genes (by what most people would rationally consider to be good) but the women in estrus are not making the optimal rational calculation.
Not surprising. Ovulating women are not known as paragons of rationality.
Interesting result though. Use intelligence to throw the signals that are well received.
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Yet another reason why women should not only lose their right to vote, but also why their fathers should choose their husbands. That’s if we are to have a semblance of civilization in the future. It’s simple: female sexual choice and civilization are incompatible on the long run. This isn’t really new knowledge either.
I find it amusing that I’m supposed to accept the legitimacy of governments in whose election people who can’t even choose who to fuck properly get to vote. I think Nietzsche was spot on when he said that women are playthings. The question is what kind of man allows playthings to have power over his life.
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Actually, if you check the comments, verbal intelligence _is_ selected for.
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I never understood what’s so complicated about this: everyone loves generosity, niceness, modesty etc from people who could otherwise be ruthless, cruel or arrogant. You must earn and command respect before you can be generous because otherwise it’s just a manipulative ploy. I consider myself to be generous when I don’t expect anything in return for my generosity. If you think women should fuck you because you’re nice, you’re not generous, you’re using subterfuge to get what you want.
If you want to see if your generosity is generosity and not some machination, imagine the people you’re generous towards being your slaves. Would you still treat them nice? So what has to happen is for you to be sparingly generous in the opportune times while making people earn generosity.
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Actually yes, I would treat slaves well. It is my nature. But I think you’ve captured the female mindset well, because I have never met a woman who is as generous as I am. Indeed, they think the “nice guy” is manipulative and the cad is genuine. Even if the caddishness is put on.
Women aren’t that smart, but they are unerringly programmed to understand average behavior. Often I have no idea what average behavior is; it’s taken long experience to improve this problem of mine. As I’ve said, I am a sperg (from before it was given a name) who covers it well, or not. But I think this is not unusual among men.
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Actually yes, I would treat slaves well. It is my nature. But I think you’ve captured the female mindset well, because I have never met a woman who is as generous as I am. Indeed, they think the “nice guy” is manipulative…
That made me smile… recently I did a few favors for a local gal who was down on her luck, just because I wanted to stretch my soul a bit, as it were.
She couldn’t believe I was being so nice, and yet not making any sort of play for her (she had been dropping increasingly more obvious hints, but alas, she wasn’t my type).
Her hamster finally got the best of her one day and she finally came right out and asked me: “What is it you want?”
I looked at her like she had two heads for even asking that question, and merely replied: “Peace on earth and the resurrection of Jayne Mansfield.”
Good times… good times.
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2 Things:
1) @Greg: I had a similar experience recently, too. This chick I flirt with (but also not 100% my type) was bummed, so I scribbled down a few funny web links.
Her response? “Why are you being so nice to me?”
-Dafuq??
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2)@Family Man: Not to jump too much into the shallow-end of Psych 101, but sometimes it seems like people are wary of others being what they are themselves. Like it’s just their default world-lens.
That scene in Casino Royale where Vesper Lynd says, “Since you first thought I was an orphan, that’s what I’d guess you are.” (roles reversed that time, though)
Pathetic that a species is so de-facto amoral and manipulative the way your 2nd sentence outlines. -Bizzaro world.
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I think Daniel Craigs version of Bonds has mostly sucked. Skyfall was adequate. He turned Bond from an alpha to simply a sociopath. Not a gnetleman, like the thread something of a beta.
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Because nice guys finish first, that’s why.
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elaborate…otherwise this means nothing…
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My father used to tell me:
“You’ll know a man’s character by how he treats those who cannot possibly do anything for him.”
I think he pulled that quote from a movie, but it’s still apt.
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Completely OT, but I read this and thought of the many Chateau guests who have in these very halls lauded the “unenlightened” Foreign Woman as safe harbor amidst the squalls of Western feminism… Worth reading if you’re fishing in unfamiliar waters, I think. Be mindful, gents.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1844.htm
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I always laugh when Western men ramble about how unspoiled by feminism Eastern European women are. I can’t say they differ in any single way from Western women, except having softer personalities, but also being horrible at using makeup. Their attitudes and beliefs aren’t much different and the biggest reason why Western men think Eastern European women are different is because you are high value until you bring them to your country.
The conservative and demure Eastern European girl might have been true in the 1990s, but it’s clearly false now.
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This single mother may have been desperate to get this man (“her beau”) hooked.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/naked-mom-tirade-after-sex-denial-356712
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I will say, if a woman is going to rampage, naked is the way I’d prefer it.
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She’s 24? Wow.
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Don’t worry, darkhorseforever will think she’s a 9. 🙂
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Yeah, funny how this girl..
looks nothing like this girl…
Just stop. Please go back to your little college study group games you have difficulty leading.
I guarantee you if you gave yourself permission to be a fun, accepting and all around guy and dropped the judgmental grumpy INTJ overlord act you would find yourself with less approach anxiety. I don’t think you really want to approach and lay women though, I think you want to pretend you’re most powerful guy in the room. Shitting on other groups of people might make you feel powerful for a second but it is not going to give you access to people outside your closed little social circle.
There is a big difference between having the courage to unapologetically defend who you are and having the stupidity to cravenly attack others you don’t know. One pays dividends, the other is a waste of energy.
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“There is a big difference between having the courage to unapologetically defend who you are and having the stupidity to cravenly attack others you don’t know”
Coming from the dude telling everyone who disagrees with his overvaluations of women(aka pretty much everyone who rated Hathaway) that they must be in scarcity due to not pulling and then making some shit up about how successful he is in order to legitimize his overvaluing of women. If anything, overvaluing female looks shows that YOU are in scarcity. What kind of loser rates women on a curve anyway? Even if I did that, Hathaway wouldn’t be a 9.
“other is a waste of energy”
Coming from the dude who wrote a wall of text in reply to a comment that is a sentence long. You must be the first woman pretending to be a dude online because only women are armchair psychologists.
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Bro my problem is not banging enough models (and getting those flakes to fucking show up in the first place lol), seducing hot married chicks away from their husbands, and pulling off threeways with bottle girls I just met…while my sexy little primary is at home.
You’re a professed college kid whose problem is approach anxiety. Different levels my friend.
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work keeps me away from you denizens for a while and i come back to a bunch of new names and no matt king. WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?
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You’re right. Lent only started yesterday, but he’s been gone for a couple of weeks. Hmm…
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Often a hiatus from the chateau is necessary for one’s blood pressure.
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The pope told me I could substitute for Matthew King. How am I doing?
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That’s a lot to ask…
You’re good, kid… but those titanic shoes would be hard for the pope himself to fill..
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Thank you, it’s made a lot of things clear.
I was in fugue and feeling a massive case of oneitsis with a delicate beauty that’s fucked half her college and is working her way down the list of Fakebook friends.
I must amuse myself for my own entertainment rather than be the plaything of a dishonourable creature for her own amusement
I think I will go fuck her Aunt just because I want to 😀
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Cousin, or sister, or best friend would be more fun, eh?
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Lol I’m working on the cousin and friends but the Aunt is married, hot and a “good” woman it makes it…more personal. The chaos that’s going to follow will be wonderful to see…from a distance
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“Cousin, or sister, or best friend would be more fun, eh?”
You could plan Bronco. In the middle of sex, tell the relative that you screwed the delicate beauty and try to stay mounted for six seconds afterwards.
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I just had to clean coffee off the monitor.
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The correct way to play it is to shout out the other’s name while doing the relative in the doggy position.
Of course, that’s only if you wish to maximize the judges’ style points.
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Depends on whether you’re in Texas or Oklahoma. They have different rules.
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“delicate beauty” = skank
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I was in fugue…
You have my symphony.
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No he doesn’t, you lyre.
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Woman, if it ain’t baroque, don’t try to fix it.
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Lol. You win. You won at “symphony”… very clef-er.
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… very clef-er.
Aw… G thanks.
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ha.
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In the meantime, we have Muslim men over in The United Kingdom gaming like true psychopaths: http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/03/an-epidemic-of-underage-sex-slavery-in-britain/
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P.S. Hey feminists, Heartiste isn’t your true ememy. These 22 guys are those like them are: http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/03/easy-meat-child-sex-slavery-in-the-uk/
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P.P.S. Speaking of ladies … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAJlecW7vXA
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Palestinian fattie can’t stand when white women steal her culture by belly dancing: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/04/why_i_cant_stand_white_belly_dancers/
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What will she do? Scratch them with her crooked nose? I find the audacity and outright gall of non-white people using computers and the internet to whine about appropriation amusing. I hope she doesn’t use cars, antibiotics or vaccines either and I hope she never wore jeans or European style dresses.
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Imitation is the best form of flattery.
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Imitation is the best form of sluttery.
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One of your best, thank you. Reminds me of my father and the example that he set. Will have a smile on my face for the rest of the day.
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Hilarious story about some badboy alpha racist who has his wife do all the talking and apologizing… even though she seems to be anti-racist herself.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/03/05/neighbors-furious-over-klan-flag/
The ladies like him too… in a way.
lzozlozlzozlz
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Given that the wife is a gross fat pig… expect a George Zimmerman-style tradeup soon.
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What kind of ninny would be afraid because of a flag? No wonder Jewish women are among the biggest sluts in the world if their men are whiny pussies.
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Here’s a beta story: My friend is out grocery shopping last night and gets a text from her husband to come home immediately, so she does. Turns out two drunk guys smashed through the front door into the house, apparently they were being chased by some other group and needed to hide. So my friend gets home and the guys are still there, they won’t leave, her husband has called 911. So basically her husband called her to come home to help him with two intruders, at the time not knowing whether they were dangerous. She’s half his size. I’m sorry, but that’s just… ridiculous. Ok, rant over.
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What’s her cell no.? Post it on my site.
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Is she tremendously fat? Because I’m imagining a scene like at the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark where the pathetic husband rolls her down the hallway in lieu of an appropriate boulder.
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I had to call my wife in a situation like that once…
But it was to clean up the blood… and help hide the evidence.
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9/10 would bang
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/russia-news-anchor-resigns/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
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So she wants to whitewash another government’s shit. That’s how the media works.
I met this senior high-school girl a while ago and she wanted to study either journalism or some other equally crappy thing. Due to the contempt I feel towards journalists I convinced her to study the other thing. Which brings me to an OT question. Why do girls between 17 and 20 have this requirement regarding a guy’s age? They all seem to spew some arbitrary numbers and they date guys outside the ‘required’ age range. I don’t have a problem implying that they like guys that age because they’re as immature as them or teasing them by saying I’m older than their required age and ask them if they did their homework or what are they doing out of bed this late or other variants, but I’m curious what are they thinking.
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OT: based on my personal observations, i can’t help but notice that on many websites women just LOVE LOVE LOVE to post “.gifs” in lieu of a more traditional, written responses. why is this? is it a dearth of creativity and/or wit? is there something about a visual response that titillates them? i’m certainly not suggesting that men don’t (or shouldn’t) use .gifs, but, again, my observation is that women are more likely to utilize them. thoughts?
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For me, it’s like using emoticons… just a fun thing to do here and there.
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Could you vacillate any harder?
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Sure. Easily
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It is good to know one’s talents.
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Just reading through these comments makes me think: I honestly believe Red Pill as a whole is on the cutting edge of philosophy and social insight, which is really just a reaffirmation of ancient principals. Shalom.
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Paid operative.
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This paragraph from the source article brings YaReall and Matt King to mind.
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Yeah, but the people who seem to like YaReally are all rather unlikeable fellows themselves.
LZLZOZOZLZLZOZOZLZOZOZLZOZZLZOZLZOZLZZLZLZ
[CH: YaReally is one of the few people on this board who seems cool enough to hang out with in RL.]
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Not in my RL… I don’t like profligates of any color, age, or creed… and his biggest proponents seem to be the muh-dikkers, go figure.
Admittedly, I’m sure nobody in the PUA scene is losing sleep over my disdain… more’s the pity. :-p
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Anecdotal
Fag Game = Nuclear Dread Game?
Grew up with a suspected fag. Later confirmed. Deep in the closet.
Fag lands a 19 year old, stupid, big tit, submissive, hourglass HB8 as cover.
Obviously no shortcuts. DHV (easy, he’s a man), push/pull (easy, he doesn’t want what she has), negs (easy, he’s disgusted by her axe wound), she submits (her only option), gives chase (desperate for balance and cock she can’t get).
HB8 should have been carousel, instead totally devoted ltr. Does nothing but cook, clean, desperately show off body. Fag does not want her pink. She’s a slave to him.
HB’s have ONE tool. When our str/FB game slips maybe it’s best to act like a fag.
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