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Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention

March 18, 2014 by CH

When yer lurvable CH manor lord was a wee lad sprinkled with fresh down, many illusory obstacles set themselves in his path to mastering the hearts of newly teenaged girls in the plum ripeness of supercuteness. He would carefully listen to them dictate to friends in squealing cadence the qualities they loved about the boys they loved. Words like “cute”, “hottie”, “great body”, “muscular”, “flat stomach”, “bedroom eyes”, “so sweet” and related would zip around from ear to ear, never reaching a depth of analysis beyond the barest superficiality.

Schoolboy CH would then examine himself for this or that girl-approved quality and decide he had come up short compared to the handful of boys who best exemplified what the girls claimed they loved. Momentarily discouraged, CH grit his teeth and put into motion plans of passionate adolescence that would vault him to the ranks of the beloved.

But a funny thing happened on the way to molding himself into the male blueprint drafted by girltongue: CH stayed alert long enough to notice the kinds of boyfriends all that supple teenflesh eventually began to gravitationally orbit. These boyfriends were, in the unsparing judgment only a teenage boy can summon, neither cute nor hot nor muscular nor temperamentally sweet. They were quite often funny-looking, soft, pudgy, awkwardly bony, and clearly unsweet. They did not have bedroom eyes; they had mole eyes.

But one thing they DID have, and a lot of, was preternatural confidence. They walked and talked with bravado. They stood athwart their girlfriends with impassive stubbornness. They nodded with a glaze of coerced recognition in the general direction of the girls who were showering them with admiration and affection. They moped with a practiced air of perpetual dissatisfaction. They were heartlessly cruel and emotionally blank. They crushed romantic hopes like a bulldozer smashing grub life to mush.

And beautiful babes loved them.

From those earliest beginnings, a truism about the soul of woman would guide CH to the heights of romantic bliss. He had learned, and not a moment too soon, to watch what women do and ignore what they say about their romantic needs. For all the men who knew nothing about what women wanted, even fewer women knew themselves.

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  1. on March 18, 2014 at 10:49 am Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention | Manosphere.com

    […] Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention […]

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 11:14 am Zombie Shane

      > “Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention”

      So long as the bitch in question is worth being in contention for.

      If you ever achieve uber-Alpha status, then you will have to spend a lot of time learning how to put yourself OUT of contention with the vast swarming hordes of women whose presence you do NOT desire in your life.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 11:39 am Greg Eliot

        I don’t avoid the company of women… but I do deny them my essence.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 2:01 pm Zombie Shane

        > “I don’t avoid the company of women…”

        Actually, part of being a true sociopath involves avoiding the people who can do you no possible good, since a true sociopath is only interested in interacting with people in order to manipulate them to his own personal benefit.

        So the people whom he interacts with necessarily must bring something to the table which interests him.

        Unless there is some investment in subterfuge which is necessary to further an ancillary long-term goal of his, a true sociopath Alpha should never waste any of his time talking to e.g.:

        1) Other [necessarily lesser] races

        2) Orcas

        3) White chicks who are less than about a 7.5

        4) White chicks who are 7.5s but who act as wing-woman cock-blockers for their 9.5 bffs

        5) White chicks who used to be 9.5s but who now have hit the wall hard

        etc etc etc

        But I’ll be honest with you – I’ve never gotten the feeling that anyone on this board is a sociopath.

        All of this shit comes naturally to the sociopaths – it’s second nature – they don’t even have to pause to think about what to do.

        E.g. to a true sociopath natural Alpha, the idea of being a nice guy at a cocktail party and enduring a long boring idiotic conversation with some 5s and 6s and a 7 who is packing a few too many pounds would strike him as simply ludicrous.

        In fact, so obviously ludicrous that he probably wouldn’t even be consciously aware that he even needed to pause to think about the possibility of it, because the possibility of it ever happening would never even enter his mind.

        So the true Alpha sociopath doesn’t need any advice on how to manipulate woman into bed – he wouldn’t be here looking for advice – to him it’s all just an innate sixth sense.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 2:07 pm Scray

        ‘part of being a true sociopath involves avoiding the people who can do you no possible good.’

        Huh? Nah. That’s just part of building a good life. Everything in your life should go to reinforce the positive belief you have in yourself. Anything else is just wasting time. I’m dying one second at a time. I don’t want to waste time on negative bullshit.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:39 am Zombie Shane

        > “That’s just part of building a good life. Everything in your life should go to reinforce the positive belief you have in yourself.”

        Dude, that’s sociopathy right there in a nutshell [with a healthy dose of narcissism to boot].

        And whatever latent nascent capacity your race already had for it has now been grotesquely exaggerated by the ubiquitous culture of entitlement with which The Frankfurt School has been inundating your feeble little negro minds for the last 50 or 75 years.

        The kind of sociopathy & narcissism which we see in a Barry Soebarkah and a Michelle LaVaughn is now pretty much de rigueur for your entire race.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 6:41 am haunted trilobite

        I’ve encountered this kind of ‘next’ attitude before, and it’s a common theme in bodybuilding mags. To me it seems to negate the concept of loyalty (to friends, family, neighbours, spouse, etc). I would never expect anything less from the fickle sex, but in men, it seems very flimsy. Not to be absolute about it though – most of us will avoid drug-dealing scum, etc.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:55 am Zombie Shane

        > “but in men, it seems very flimsy”

        In REAL men.

        But the modern world has come to be dominated by sociopaths.

        Not just the YKWs [who are natural born sociopaths], but also our native born “Captains of Industry” [and politics], monsters like Gates and Buffet and Clinton, who seem hell bent on leaving nothing but an unending trail of death and destruction in their wake.

        I would no more allow a child to be tested by Gates’s “Common Core” Mossad Thought Police than I would hold a gun to that child’s head and shoot it dead.

        The days of leaders like Harvey Firestone and Andrew Carnegie and Henry Ford – men who actually seemed to give a damn about the future of Western Civlization – are long gone.

        Hell, I’d take kooks and crooks and conmen like Stanford and Getty and Hughes over any of the sociopaths who head our modern corporations.

        Finally, let me close by including two pieces of music, and you tell me which one sounds like it reflects the heart of a “REAL” man – a man whose soul simultaneously harbored self-doubt and rage and introspection and hopelessness and whimsy and playfulness and despair and fury and empathy and wonder.

        And then tell me which one sounds like it reflects the empty black hole which exists at the heart of a sociopath.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:46 am Scray

        ‘To me it seems to negate the concept of loyalty’

        How?
        If anything, it strengthens loyalty. The people who I do allow into my life add great value, therefore I am more likely to go to great lengths to do good for them. Reciprocity.

        ‘Dude, that’s sociopathy right there in a nutshell’

        lol the radical concept of building a life that affirms yourself?

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm Zombie Shane

        > “lol the radical concept of building a life that…”

        You’re doing just fine up until that point.

        “…affirms yourself?”

        And then you tack hard starboard into narcissism and sociopathy and nihilistic emptiness.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:59 pm Scray

        ‘And then you tack hard starboard into narcissism and sociopathy and nihilistic emptiness.’

        I just think you’re having a knee-jerk reaction to it, because men in general are taught to tolerate a lot of stupid bullshit. “That’s just life,” “that’s just how it is,” etc. etc. etc. Says who?

        Here, I’ll unpack it a little more. Your life should be built around you getting tighter. Every person in your life should help you improve — and you, them. The friend you have that tags along when you go to the gym — good friend, he’s helping you get tighter. Friend that is a time suck, wants you to hang out, get high, and play videogames (and that’s ALL he does) — bad friend, not helping you get tighter.

        If your ideal self-image is a dude who goes out and hits on chicks, has an adventurous life, etc….then every part of your life should go toward helping that identity.

        That’s just being a man and allocating your time to fruitful endeavors/relationships.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 2:20 pm Zombie Shane

        To tie this all together with Heartiste’s advice to “Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention”: If you want to start scoring with the hot chicks, then you will necessarily have to stop being a nice guy and wasting all of your time on not-hot chicks.

        I.e. ”Not putting yourself in contention because you’re trapped in a corner at the party talking to the not-hot chicks” is a sub-phenomenon within the larger phenomenon of “Putting Yourself Out Of Contention”.

        A true sociopathic alpha would never waste any time talking to a not-hot chick [and her not-hot friends] unless:

        1) She were an heiress to a sizable fortune

        2) She were an insider at a corporation with some insider gossip he could capitalize on [e.g. by shorting the corporation’s stock]

        3) She were an older not-hot chick who had a daughter [or a niece or a student or whatever] who was a flamingly gorgeous 9.5+, and he was trying to maneuver himself closer to the 9.5+

        Etc etc etc…

        I guess you can judge for yourself whether making the transition from “nice guy” to “not nice guy” is worth the toll which it’s inevitably going to take on your character.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:31 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        People don’t have to be sociopaths in order to be Machiavellian and self-interested. Oh, and kicking people who bring nothing to the table down the curb is great life advice. Considering most women aren’t funny or loyal, they make bad friends and consequently they can offer what you said.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:49 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Oh, and kicking people who bring nothing to the table down the curb is great life advice.”

        It’s the best “life” advice of all.

        Which is PRECISELY why our nation – even discounting the YKWs – is now run by sociopaths like Gates and Buffet and Clinton.

        Or at least the best “Death” advice, if your desire is to “live” to see the Death of Western Civilization.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 3:20 pm Greg Eliot

        Alas, another jest fallen flat!

        Hells Belles… will you watch Dr. Strangelove already? 😡

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 3:29 pm Zombie Shane

        Sorry.

        I’m not very good with the allusions and the literary shit and whatnot.

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  2. on March 18, 2014 at 10:53 am Onder

    No truer words said.

    The further opposite I go from what women say they want and the more relentless I am to what I want, the more I get what I want.

    I think the key thing to I grasped is that, what other people want doesn’t even matter, regardless of whether there’s substance to it or not. As long as you know what you want and stick by those rules and pursue it relentlessly, thats all that matters.

    I’ve become more selfish with this concept the more i’ve realised that girls are exactly the same. They simply do not give 2 shits about what guys want.

    So i’m not prepared to do the same for my own emotional health. And it’s been working like gangbusters.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 11:21 am burke

      “ignore what they say about their romantic needs”

      i think you can pretty safely ignore what they say about just about _anything_. they say what they think makes them look the way they want to look. they speak, most of the time, like they run fingers through their hair– for appearances and nothing else.

      you’ll _want_ to ignore their actions once you start paying attention, because you’ll see what kind of beings they really are. but it’s the only way to understand them.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 11:32 am Zombie Shane

        Onder: “The further opposite I go from what women say they want…”

        burke: “i think you can pretty safely ignore what they say about just about _anything_.”

        Consider the possibility that every time they tell you what they want, it’s actually a false-flag psy-ops feinting maneuver designed to get you to figure out what they really want.

        In fact, you could look at it as an extremely high-level shit test, designed to see whether you are smart enough – or man enough – to figure out what she really wants.

        A shit test which is designed to weed out all of the stupid slobbering groveling obsequious lapdog betas, because a beta will [by definition] always fail this particular shit test – a beta will foolishly try to give her exactly what she SAYS she wants, never realizing that he has just walked straight into the trap of her black-widow-spider’s web of romantic doom.

        [And if you’re a beta: It’s a shit test with a 4-letter answer which only whorefinder knows…]

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  3. on March 18, 2014 at 11:00 am Orin

    Straight up poetry.

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  4. on March 18, 2014 at 11:04 am Holden Caulfield

    Right on. If a guy uses Facebook to find a girl on NYE, he’s a creeper (someone can dig up that link if they want to). If a girl uses Twitter to find a random dude she sat next to on a flight, its romance:

    http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/you-ve-got-tweets–woman-uses-twitter-to-track-down-missed-connection–love-ensues-173402662.html

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 11:37 am Zombie Shane

      > “If a guy uses Facebook to find a girl on NYE, he’s a creeper”

      He was a BETA for thinking that she wouldn’t find it creepy.

      He needed to mask his re-acquaintance-ship with her in some sort of an Alpha disguise.

      “Randomly” bump into her in a Starbucks or a Barnes-N-Noble or something, and be all, “Hey, do I know you from somewhere?”

      Or some approach via some txt like “Hey, aren’t you that bitch from New Year’s Eve who owes me $100?”

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 11:39 am Zombie Shane

        > ““Randomly” bump into her in a Starbucks or a Barnes-N-Noble or something, and be all, “Hey, do I know you from somewhere?””

        No, scratch that, he should get HER to say, “Hey, do I know you from somewhere?”

        And then he needs to PRETEND to not recognize her, until she fills him in on all the details of what had happened.

        And then he needs to say something like, “Yeah, I guess remember you, kinda sorta?!?” with a quizzical look on his face.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 10:36 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I think she’s creepy too and it would be a massive red flag for me if I was the guy. Nice for the ego, but bad for you on the long run, I think.

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  5. on March 18, 2014 at 11:12 am Reservoir Tip

    You’re the only person I’ve ever loved, CH.

    I hope these are just teenage butterflies.

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  6. on March 18, 2014 at 11:20 am Anonymous

    looking for tinder game advice

    i have no problem getting girls to meet for a drink date off tinder but im trying to cut all that out and get them to come straight over to my house to watch a movie instead…most girls balk when i do this as it triggers their ASD. Any tips on how i could reframe this infamous suggestion so as to make my success rate with it go up?

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 11:22 am A Random Guy

      You seriously expect any non-crazy woman to go straight to the house of a guy she has literally never met in person even once?

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 11:22 am A Random Guy

        Oh, yeah, how do you know it’s ASD? As opposed to you maybe being a rapist or whatever?

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:03 pm Anonymous

        dont be so dramatic random guy…go onto tinderfessions on twitter and see that yes many girls do go to guys houses..

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 pm A Random Guy

        And how many of them are non-crazy? As opposed to assuming it’s ASD and trying to game around that?

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 6:02 pm cyrus

        Yeah, but those confessions don’t really show the other 98% of the dating market on tinder which involves a lot more effort. Its a blood bath for most men. Picture game is more important than text game here.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:10 pm FoolishPride (@FoolishProud)

      Troll?

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:16 pm Scray

      Yes. Have weed. Ask them to come over to your place and smoke. That way there’s a valid reason they have to come to your house — you can’t smoke at a bar. You’re welcome.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm Reservoir Tip

      It’s tempting to try to invite them over same night.

      Grab the number and text a bit here. Build a little rapport and that should bring her guard down a bit. Also, use description. Paint a picture for her. I don’t think aloof is really the way to play it here, especially if you’re trying to get her comfortable enough to come to your place. Come up with a plan that isn’t overtly sexual, and tell it to her. Be the man with the plan. They dig that.

      I’ll usually say something like, “alright… Here’s what I’m thinking. You’re gonna come over around 2 in some sexy heels and a cute sun dress. I’ll invite you in, sit you down on the couch and prepare a glass of the finest grape juice for you. From there, we’ll have a Johnny Bravo binge on the couch while keeping our hands completely to themselves.”

      Some girls are naturally on there for attention and validation at how many matches they get, but others are really DTF.

      I had some sexy, sexy Romanian tennis instructor girl come over to my place from way across town and give me Space Jam head (think Bill Murray getting pulled down the golf hole).

      Bit her lip so hard it left a blood clot, and covered her in hickeys haha. She lost an earring here too.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 1:21 pm Zombie Shane

      Anonymous: “Any tips on how i could reframe this infamous suggestion so as to make my success rate with it go up?”

      Here I have to agree with YaReally – a true “playa” never but never but NEVER lets a random skank know where his real crib is.

      On fact, only one bitch in your entire life ever gets to learn the location of your crib, and that bitch is called YOUR WIFE.

      All the other skanky whores are to be left guessing as to where Mr Tall Dark and Handsome really lives.

      As far as they need be concerned, you’re just some dude who shows up at their apartment every now and then to fuck their brains right out of their ears.

      A Random Guy: “crazy woman”

      Which is precisely why you never let those crazy skanky borderline schizophrenic bipolar substance-abused nutjobs learn where you really live.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:39 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        It’s also why renting makes more sense than owning.

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  7. on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 am Waffles

    LOL

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 2:34 pm Subarctic Hillbilly

      Those dudes are princes of comedy. They need to do a movie.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 4:59 pm no

      love those guys…

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  8. on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 am backchecking

    Harlo explains to Cagney why she’s in love with a bad, bad, boy: him.

    Jump to 2:20 for the nitty-gritty.

    What’s striking is that this scene went large to put both on the A-List.

    In sum, the hot babes just can’t stay away from the dark triad!

    The way Harlo disses Betas is brutal.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 11:53 am thrust

      fuck me had to watch that twice.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:29 pm Opus

      OMG Harlow is more wooden than Pinnochio

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 3:17 pm Greg Eliot

        Understand, that was the infancy of talkies.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:47 pm Mike

      Classic movies are the shit for old wisdom

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  9. on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 am Charlie Dont Surf

    Schoolboy CH took away a life lesson – without becoming the beta scratching post for those teen felines to sharpen their claws on. What flaying I’d have been spared if only I was forewarned!

    But, what of them now? Those swaggering bad boys and beautiful babes? I knew them too – and last I saw – love and life had kicked the shit out of them.

    Some are born to game, some achieve game and some have game thrust upon them.

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  10. on March 18, 2014 at 11:50 am thrust

    I’m finally dumping my gf because of what she said.

    Like I’ve asked around here for the past year and a half – she’s a good girl, really.. but she admitted about 3 months in that she had a fantasy to fuck a black guy.

    So like I’ve stated in the past, I hated fucked her for a long time. Then I became a dominant angry white man – and the rest who cares about.

    Today I’m finally gonna pull the trigger before I head into work today.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 11:59 am Amy

      Just throwing it out there, but “fantasy” means different things to different people. It doesn’t necessarily mean she’d ever go through with it.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 3:15 pm Greg Eliot

        Never known it to fail… cooze defends cooze.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 3:30 pm Amy

        Nice language. And I guess you didn’t read my post below.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:34 am Greg Eliot

        Nice language

        LLZOZOZLZOZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZL… oh, did I offend your virgin ears?

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 9:25 am Amy

        No, I’m not offended, just surprised. I had a different picture of you. Sic vita est.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 7:08 am Greg Eliot

        You apparently haven’t been paying attention, here at the chateau, if my use of the word “cooze” tarnishes the shining armor you pictured me wearing. 😉

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:43 pm Matthew

        “Sic vita est”? Not “C’est la vie”?

        Cato the Censor!, these girls are getting uppity here.

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      • on March 22, 2014 at 2:51 pm Greg Eliot

        “Apparently RIngo is an educated man… now I KNOW I hate him.”

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 4:14 pm Zombie Shane

        Even fantasy mudsharkery is morally indefensible.

        Hell, any fantasy on her part which doesn’t involve you and you alone is simply unacceptable.

        And the audacity to INFORM you – to your face – that she’s harboring some “other” fantasy?

        Fuck. That. Shit.

        Next.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:35 am Greg Eliot

        +111

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:44 pm Matthew

        Next with extreme prejudice and concrete slippers.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:00 pm thrust

      I realize the gist of this post is action over words – I’ve contemplated that for almost 2 years.

      I came to the conclusion that I would never marry an outright potential mudshark. Case closed.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:46 pm Matthew

        Right. You couldn’t fuck a gorilla. Why would you tolerate a woman who wants to?

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:00 pm Charlie Dont Surf

      Terminate …. with extreme prejudice.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:11 pm thrust

        I understand Amy – went through her cell not long after she said that – came across a msg where she said I got all butthurt over her saying she wanted to try a black guy.

        She still sometimes listens to gangsta rap. Again, not my scene, not my girl. Very sweet, and german as well actually. There’s other shit I could blab about but really this was the paradigm shifter for me as I was entering the red pill.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 pm Amy

        “came across a msg where she said I got all butthurt over her saying she wanted to try a black guy.”

        Yea, that sounds more…. goal-oriented. Plus it’s not cool that she talks about you like that to her friends, imo.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:35 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        She’s out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct.

        Terminate … with extreme prejudice.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:58 pm karmageddon

        The whore. The whore.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 1:12 pm SGOTI

        Well played, you two.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 3:14 pm Greg Eliot

        She didn’t ask anyone’s permission… she just thought it up and did it.

        What a cunt.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:45 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        “She still sometimes listens to gangsta rap”
        The only time when I think it’s acceptable for a girl to listen to rap is when she rubs her ass against my dick. If that’s her favourite music, she’s a pump and dump girl or fuck buddy at best.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:51 pm Anonymous

        Agreed. She is trash, like any mudshark or potential mudshark.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:48 pm Matthew

        Any woman not visibly viscerally horrified by the idea of a chiffarobin’ is trash.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 pm TLS

      same here. girl im seeing i went through her phone and phone messages a year ago (before we met) from some black guy. who she denies she fucked but it was extremely obvious that she did when she was trying to deny it. Her story just made zero logical sense. And then she plays the victim with me. Eyes rolled. He was saying shit like “we can keep this on the lowlow” and “you got a man?”. She was like a deer caught in headlights when i confronted her. I guess always go with your gut.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 1:12 pm Holden Caulfield

        @Thrust and TLS: remember, that women get sexually excited from watching monkey porn (seriously, its in the CH archives or you can probably find the original source by googling), so them considering fucking a black, mexican, or any other guy isn’t a stretch. I’m not saying you should keep dating them, but there has been a lot of discussion on this site regarding the lack of sexual restraint most women would show if there weren’t societal pressure against their urges. Feminism wants women to be able to fuck around constantly without repercussions. Fucked up but true.

        TL;DR: stay vigilant and understand the true nature of women.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 2:46 pm Amy

        Look, I know none of you believe this, but it’s not just societal pressure that keeps women from slutting around. YES it is a factor, but it’s not the only thing.

        Think about it… society is a lot less judgmental than it used to be (sadly), and how hard can it be to quietly slut around if you live alone? Who’s really going to know? Yet girls still aren’t out there bringing home a new guy every night.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:44 am thwack

        Alright, listen up. Ain’t nobody talkin when Im talkin so STFU.

        Here is your free pro tip from thwack:

        You white boys are correct to worry about snow queens fucking monkeys, you just don’t realize its the GREASE monkey you should be watchin.

        Thats right. First and foremost your woman is gonna trade pussy for car repairs; brake job, water pump, injectors… that “shade tree mechanic” down the street is the gateway dick for a lot of girls who claim they would never fuck Tyquannn.

        The porch monkey cannot compete with the grease monkey cause he ain’t buyin shit. Car repairs are expensive nowadays and females have good reason to worry about getting raped by the “stealership.”

        “yes ma’am, your doohickys bout to go out so your gonna need a new kniggly rod, and a set of gonkulators… that comes to $699.99 plus taxes, shop fees, and fluids…”

        “Then I gotta inspect it”

        *gulp*

        She’s gonna call “Clayton” and ask him for a “favor” cause he’s so nice.” I suspect girls have no problem doing this because they assume they will get ripped off anyway.

        *be advised*

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 6:57 am Amy

        Lol. Sorry thwack… where I live, even the car mechanics are white.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:39 am Greg Eliot

        Thwack, not every ghetto practice translates directly to the white world.

        Manny, Moe, and Jack ain’t slayin’ the quim like you think.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 1:59 pm thwack

        Amy

        Lol. Sorry thwack… where I live, even the car mechanics are white.
        —————————————————————————————

        Thats my point Amy.

        You just swang, missed and then fell on the ground.

        And then Greg comes along, leading from behind as usual…

        Some other guy reading this has been THAT mechanic before.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 7:14 am Greg Eliot

        For the record, my post showed up long before Amy’s, which apparently was in moderation.

        And I’m getting a little tired of correcting you on your made-up definitions… you talk like a rebel, but you’re just another Cathedral shill who thinks he has the right to his own dictionary as well as his own opinions.

        Whether I give you the first smack down on one of your inanities, or whether I back-up or amplify another’s notice of your n166er-babble, “leading from behind” is the last thing I can rightfully be accused of, here at the chateau.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm Matthew

        Greg, at least thwack is hilarious. I choked with laughter at the “porch monkeys ain’t buyin’ shit” line.

        Anyone have any doubts remaining that he’s a jewlatto? Manipulative wordsmithery + muh dikkery equals ???

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:50 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        It’s funny that you’re so offended by her alleged fucking of black guys, but you don’t seem to be bothered by her lying.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:36 pm diablox

      thats a wow just wow if i’ve ever seen one

      0/10 would not read again

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm Matthew

        WWWJWD?

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 2:14 pm Jordan Belfort

      You should have pulled the trigger a long time ago.

      Understand that women are fueled by idealism. So much so that she will destroy her own lineage out of conviction to fulfill any ideal. Now, I understand she owes nothing to who or where she comes from, but to stoop so low just goes to show you what lies behind her id.

      A festering, self sabotaging, predatory demon.

      How does that song go again?

      “Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
      Lots of people talkin’, few of them know
      Soul of a woman was created below.”

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 4:32 pm thrust

        Yeah it felt good pulling the trigger and coming out on top.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 5:30 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Rough one. Had to be done. Drinks on me.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:34 am thrust

        cheers

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 11:06 pm sinister

        does this chick provide anything for you (aside from being a cumdump)? do u get money out of her or use of a vehicle, etc? if so you can use her and string her along indefinitely. thats what id do anyway, but im a lowlife scoundrel.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:36 am thrust

        na i’m self sufficient. i’ll be entering the canadian forces in a few months as an M.P. so all of this will be a silly fart in the wind.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:53 pm Matthew

        WTF there are blacks in Canada? Do they have to inject themselves with vitamin D regularly?

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      • on March 22, 2014 at 3:16 pm thwack

        Matthew

        WTF there are blacks in Canada? Do they have to inject themselves with vitamin D regularly?
        ————————————————————————————————

        The old “you need light skin in the northern hemisphere in order to produce vitamin D” has never been proven; probably never been tested either.

        Matter of fact, Eskimos are darker than white people and they live just fine far north of most white people.

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      • on March 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm Matthew

        Do Eskimos eat liver, thwack? Does liver contain vitamin D, thwack?

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 6:29 pm Ted

      Been there even worse in my more beta days. Dated a girl for a year whose last 3 boyfriends were black. My liberal upbringing “didn’t think it mattered”. Sometimes you learn the hard way.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm Kev

      Hehehe

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:42 am Greg Eliot

        Gleeful lawn jockey is gleeful.

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  11. on March 18, 2014 at 11:50 am Arbiter

    These boyfriends were, in the unsparing judgment only a teenage boy can summon, neither cute nor hot nor muscular nor temperamentally sweet. They were quite often funny-looking, soft, pudgy, awkwardly bony, and clearly unsweet. They did not have bedroom eyes; they had mole eyes.

    But one thing they DID have, and a lot of, was preternatural confidence.

    I don’t know about this one. If confidence was the only factor, I know a lot of guys who should be scoring left and right, instead of crashing and burning, their reputation forever turning into “that creep who hits on anyone”.

    Heck, I had a lot of confidence before I found out about game. It didn’t make me a natural alpha in the eyes of the ladies.

    Isn’t it instead a certain balanced attitude that you are thinking of, something we often equate with confidence alone? An attitude that says you don’t really care, perhaps. But even then it has to be combined with other factors. No matter how confident the obese guy is, for example, he is still obese.

    [CH: An obese guy with confidence will get more girls than an obese guy with painful self-awareness.]

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:01 pm Arbiter

      Of course, it is a factor. But there are also many other factors.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:27 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Internalize confidence – and it won’t matter what the ladies think or say.

        The other factor externalizing your lust – and escalating.

        The woman who has your hand up her skirt won’t be thinking your timid.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 1:08 pm Arbiter

        Internalize confidence – when “be confident” is not enough

        Cripes, I’ve been working out and building a social circle for nothing. And all this other manosphere advice, all out the window.

        So all you need at the bar is:

        -Don’t care what people think of your behavior
        -Tell women you want to fuck them
        -Put your hand up a woman’s skirt

        That’s funny, that reminds me of a race I know.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 1:56 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Work out and build a social circle for your own sake.

        As for advice – take it or leave it.

        I’m not the one questioning what it takes to charm a woman.

        I’m the one smelling my finger.

        PS. Your Mom says Hi ..

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:52 am Arbiter

        I imagine this Charlie boy won’t last long here, when he goes flaming as soon as someone doesn’t agree with him, poor thing.

        “Work out and build a social circle for your own sake.” Clever rewriting of the topic, trying to capture the “I’m manlier because I do it for my own sake” pedestal. The question was what attracts women. You pretend that acting like a niggah is enough: “be confident” and grab a woman’s crotch. I mention other factors, and you can’t refute that they are important too.

        Good game.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:44 am Greg Eliot

        PS. Your Mom says Hi ..

        Hey, get off the mothers, man…

        I got off yours about an hour ago.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm Rick250

        One of the missing factors to add to confidence is in the CH phraze:
        “Women love men who take and hate me who give”

        The confident, honorable, provider part of my soul still shudders at this axiom/revelation.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:54 pm Scray

      Ya, but the obese guy -has- to bust a move if he wants to get laid. Even if confidence fails to have any impact on creating/increasing attraction, it does motivate Mr. Fat Fuck to chat up lady after lady after lady after lady until a cute one finally says yes.

      If only 1 out of every 200 hotties says ‘yes,’ to you….I mean, let’s say you just hit on five hotties for five months, every day. After five months, you’ll have a nice harem of 3 hotties, working on the 4th. That’s just assuming confidence plays no role.

      And yeah, Charlie is right. Getting a solid escalation plan down is crucial.
      You should have a solid day 2 plan — fail to plan, plan to fail.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 6:34 pm Arbiter

        “Even if confidence fails to have any impact on creating/increasing attraction, it does motivate” – False choice. I never said confidence wasn’t a factor. I said it is not the only factor. In fact, it isn’t even one of the main ones. It is a factor you get from possessing the primary factors. Or, you can go out and tell yourself that you are confident when you are not, fail and get yourself a reputation as that idiot loser who will hit on anyone, and never get the chance to do better once you do learn how to improve because you have already marked yourself.

        This is just like sales, by the way. Yeah, you need confidence. Hopefully you will be smart enough to work hard as hell on how to be a good salesman, so that your confidence reflects your actual capability. Otherwise you will have a rude awakening when you run into the wall a couple of times, then deflate and say “fuck it!” to the whole thing and curse those who taught you easy-sounding advice.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 8:55 pm Scray

        How is it false choice? I never said EITHER confidence has ZERO effectiveness, or it is THE deciding factor. I was just playing out a worst-case scenario.

        The beauty of cold approach is that reputation is a non-factor.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:59 pm pulsotic

        I’m pretty sure arbiter’s trolling.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm markgm28

      Yes, I think the word confidence is overused. Perhaps the girls were drawn to their nonchalant, no-effort attitudes. People who have this attitude are often NOT CONFIDENT. They don’t believe they can succeed in conventional ways so they have a “can’t win, don’t try” attitude. It might work for some guys who are within certain parameters of attractiveness (for example, not obese) but it also probably fails for a lot of guys.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 9:38 am Silver

        It’s probably also selection bias on CH’s part. He recalls times when confidence appeared to be the factor and ignores other occasions when all that confidence wasn’t doing much at all.

        [CH: no. you look at the big picture and notice patterns. one such obvious pattern is that confidence attracts female attention *most of the time*. Not all the time, of course. nothing is that certain in life, but the causal effect is strong enough to warrant making a broadly applicable theory out of it.]

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm Scray

        How can ya’ll be so spergy about this?

        Confidence will fail when you aren’t past the girl’s looks requirement. If you fail to meet the basic requirement, then ya, you are probably SOL. But the looks requirement is still pretty low. And once you DO meet that requirement, confidence DOES make the difference. Thus, we explain why confidence is both very important and why sometimes it fails.

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  12. on March 18, 2014 at 12:00 pm Arbiter

    This story makes me think of two things:

    1) How old were readers when they first found out about game? For me I think it was around 22.

    Alas, I fear many are not wise enough to go looking for advice before they are much older.

    2) One thing that shows the manosphere is definitely not a left-wing movement: no jealousy of those who are natural winners. We don’t look at natural alphas and put them down. We look at them and say, how do they do it, and how can we do the same?

    Compare that to college professors who hate the thought of entrepreneurs out there in the producing sector who make far more money than they do, have fancier houses and cars, more exciting lives – without having read all the ideological literature the professors have read. “Someone should punish them!” they say. They think they are more deserving because they are intellectuals, and so they entertain thoughts of turning all of society into a scheduled clockwork operation run centrally by people like the professors, just like things work at the university. It is no wonder Marxism is rife at the universities, the refuge for those who want to escape the demands and competition in the real world. By contrast, what does a right-wing intellectual say? “Here’s how you succeed.”

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:03 pm Greg Eliot

      It is no wonder Marxism is rife at the universities, the refuge for those who want to escape the demands and competition in the real world.

      COTW, right there… of which your paragraphs are often rife, from start to finish.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 2:11 pm sciences with lisps

        No, not COTW — most perceptive comment I’ve seen here. This^5000, every last word.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 pm The Burninator

      45, actually last summer. I was told by two separate unrelated people (both males) on two different occasions that I seemed
      “red pill”. I had no idea what it meant and the most one of them would say was to look up some “men’s rights” sites and “game”. After I had a third (and forth they were both together) couple of 25 y.o. girls gush about me being the last man on the planet (go figure that one out) a few days later I decided to put two and two together and found this and a few other sites. Basically a natural who is matching concepts theorized here to what I’ve been doing pretty much as far back as I can remember.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm markgm28

      Yup, advocates for forced income redistribution are narcissists: “I’m the best, no one should make more $ than me. We need to pervert the law to do my bidding lest I suffer from the cognitive dissonance of realizing that maybe some people are better than me”

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 4:27 pm Carlos Danger

        Well said.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm Carlos Danger

      Intellectuals can’t bare to be excluded from the management process. They feel because they have learned so much ideology and theory they are entitled to manage society. Laissez faire is too chaotic for them and it allows some of the unwashed masses to succeed beyond them. That scares them most of all.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 9:50 pm Reservoir Tip

      I was 17 or 18 when I stumbled into le Chateau d’heartiste, and I still wish I had found it sooner.

      In fact, I remember the night very clearly. It was winter break in high school. I had found a link here on another forum, and spent a good two or three days pouring through the archives. At the time, I was talking to some really bitchy, shit-test-me-left-and-right Norwegian girl. Pre-heartiste, I had put her on a pedestal a bit. When you’re good looking and outgoing, despite being a little beta, you still get good looking girls who come your way every now and then. She was one of them, and she was a 9 easily. But I didn’t know what I was doing. She’d frequently flip out over little things, like a wife frustrated with a beta husband.

      After reading heartiste, I learned the value of maintaining my frame during her emotional roller coaster rides. After one flip out that ended with her saying bye and calling me an asshole, I just completely ignored her, instead of supplicating like I would have in the past. 2 days later she called and apologized.

      This is modern woman we’re talking about. An apology coming from a 9 was something unheard of to me.

      It was my first moment in game. :’)

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 3:04 am Arbiter

        One more man helped by game! I recognize that: the lesson to cut contact when necessary is one of the most important things you learn in game. We are used to thinking that more input gives more output, but the manosphere shows us that it makes us look desperate, and that it makes a flake never relent in her ways. It is a simple but valuable wisdom.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 3:05 pm pulsotic

      Interesting that you say that. I bought a success book from an author who unabashedly bashes liberals. John T Reed. He’s all about teaching others how to be successful.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 3:01 am Arbiter

        Because the Right is about building, the Left is about taking. That is why their intellectuals have fundamentally different approaches to what to teach.

        And that is why right-wingers who go to higher ed prefer engineering, mathematics, economics, law, medicine – professions where they can actually do something useful, help produce good goods and services for others. While the leftists who go to higher ed hate the thought of “mindless production” and instead choose sociology, (distorted) history, languages (not because they will have much use for it but because it is international and cool), journalism, law (for different reasons than the Right), teaching, political studies. Anything where they can produce propaganda.

        Conservatives learn to be productive and to not disturb other people, and so they go to work to help build society, then go home to take care of their families. Leftists learn to attack, and occupy society’s chokepoints, in particular teaching and journalism, where they isolate, harrass and throw out conservatives, who are not organized and do not attack in packs like the leftists do.

        This is what really happens to a democracy. This is what the philosophers like Voltaire who argued for democracy could never foresee: how it would be used by parasites to enrich themselves and increase the numbers on their side. They never even foresaw professional politicians, political campaigns, political funding, the media owners’ role in destroying politicians. They thought politics would be a civic duty picked up by society’s best and brighters for a few years, acting only as administrative stewarts until they could go back to the mansion again, with the sole purpose of making sure power didn’t fall into the hands of a king. How naïve they were. Most kings would be better than a system controlled by parasitism.

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  13. on March 18, 2014 at 12:08 pm karmageddon

    OT: Princeton mom offers timeless advice to girls, feminists shriek:

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-feminists-princeton-mom-science-20140317,0,7948202.story#axzz2wL4o0xxW

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 3:29 pm pulsotic

      Someone posted another article on that topic a couple days ago. Charlotte Allen is the author of this one. She is anti-feminist and they hate her for it. Check out the comments here for an example.
      And this is a short bio of her. She’s one of the good guys.

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  14. on March 18, 2014 at 12:09 pm newly aloof

    Sh!t H, if you don’t know game, you don’t even know you’re out of contention. You just don’t know specifically why shit ain’t working as good as you want it to with the ladies.

    Must have laid 24 chicks in freshman year of college, but I didn’t know shite about game principles. So there’s that number, but then there’s the same dude, who appears to be successful by the numbers, who goes to spring break down in Florida Sophomore year and can’t figure out how to get laid when the girls are practically half naked and drunk the whole time? WTF How in F did that happen to popular athletic dude?! Looking back, I just thought that the girls should initiate the process, or perhaps if I drank enough alcohol at the right pace, or shroomed, or tried this pill or that, I’d be in that magical social state where the lays would magically happen. A lot of the lays I did get were through a combination of social circle interaction and being a fun partying dude that people liked being around.

    Knowing what I know about game, I know I could have gotten laid every day on that spring break, probably more than once with different chicks, if I had known the nuances and application of game. A few of the good looking dudes I went to spring break with didn’t get laid either. They were the classic dudes that didn’t have to work for it, therefore didn’t know how to work for it if they needed to. They got laid enough, but they were lame looking back.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “…if you don’t know game, you don’t even know you’re out of contention.”

      Omega dudebro be ’bout dat incel lyfe, yo.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 12:35 pm newly aloof

        What a waste of them pixels, yo.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 12:57 pm Tilikum

      “They were the classic dudes that didn’t have to work for it, therefore didn’t know how to work for it if they needed to.”

      really important point and where most naturals let the organic evolution of social change turn them into Beta’s as opposed to staying on their game.

      Robbins says ” the difference between successful people and failures is that successful people will do what the failures wont”

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm markgm28

      newly aloof, I think we were pretty similar in college. I was a good athlete who liked to party and was pretty popular. I could do well with girls who knew me but had trouble with new ones. I observed that some of my friends or teammates who went to private all-boys high schools didn’t have this problem to the same extent. I was spoiled by the captive audience of my big public co-ed high school. I didn’t have to approach girls: they knew who I was by watching my games, hearing my smart ass comments in class, or hanging out at the same parties. My friends who went to all-boys high schools knew they had to be aggressive or they would lose the opportunity.
      Girl-wise, freshman year of college I did ok but not as well as the next few years, because I had to build up my rep & get recognized. A road trip to another college was hit or miss.
      Anyhow, If I knew then what I know now… those spring break type memories would be a lot wilder.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:28 am newly aloof

        Yeah, wasn’t until after college when my buddies got lame always wanting to chill at house parties where they know everybody that I did what YaReally mentions and went out by myself for a few years forcing myself into filling in the gaps in my knowledge. Learned a lot about game that way, even though I hadn’t even heard the term game at that point. Could have seriously had more fun and done a lot better had I had a road map.

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  15. on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 pm Guanyanyo

    Here is the first price for writing witty and enjoyable essays on women, awarded to CH: Three dicks squirting at their best friend.

    8====D o o ()
    8====D o o ()
    8====D o o ()

    Hoo-ray!!!
    Hoo-ray!!!
    Hoo-ray!!!

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  16. on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 pm Tasker

    OT: The wall approaches at the young age of 31.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2583424/The-Woman-Next-Door-Elisha-Cuthbert-looks-sleek-sophisticated-World-Fashion-Week-10-years-star-turn-teen-comedy.html

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 2:17 pm Waffles

      say it ain’t so!

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 6:46 pm Arbiter

      That is some serious stonewalling. She looks forty with that strained face. Too much alcohol, tobacco, drugs, tanning salons?

      At the age of 28 women’s looks really take vastly different paths. Some can look just as good for years to come, while others fall in a way that is simply shocking to see.

      I had a girlfriend who at age 32 looked about ten years younger than many thirty-year-olds. She had good genes, but she also took care of herself. Others could have done the same. Isn’t it their obligation to be the best they can be for their husbands or future husbands, just like it is a man’s obligation to be the best husband he can be? The planning should start early.

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      • on March 22, 2014 at 12:00 pm corvinus

        That is some serious stonewalling. She looks forty with that strained face. Too much alcohol, tobacco, drugs, tanning salons?

        Didn’t she also take ni99er d1ck in some interracial quasi-pr0n film?

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 10:05 pm corvinus

      The first picture makes her look about 35. Yikes.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:57 pm Matthew

        35? She looks like Sharon Stone in the present.

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  17. on March 18, 2014 at 1:03 pm TLS

    Id like some feedback. Im seeing a girl, livin w her. So for the first two months i was madly aloof….and had total hand. I was really unconcerned about her, but she fawned over me. Then we started living together after some shit went down in my previous situation. SO ive gone back through her phone and a few sketchy things have come up.

    One was when we weren’t yet living together, but she sent a text to some guy i suspected was trying to get with her. She and her female coworker were messing around at work (coffeehouse) and my girl sent a photo to this guy where she was like on her knees pretending to give head to a cucumber. I guess her coworker was holding it between her legs while she took the photo. And she sends it to this guy. This is two months of me seeing her. Now, granted, i know for a fact she was unsure whether we were more than just fuckbuddies….because i wasnt investing shit in her. So im unsure whether i should be bugged by this. She has since stopped talking to him to my knowledge, and iver seen that she doesnt reply to his texts….unless she deletes her responses. Slippery slope eh?

    The other was one night, shortly after we started living together…she randomly got up and decided to go “work out”. 10pm. My senses were tingling, i just had a bad vibe. Anyways it came to light recently when i confronted her about a skype call log i found with some dude…and she said that was the night she went to work out. This is a guy that lives in a different state, her home state….and she says its someone shes known “forever”. It was a 20 minute call, and she claims to have been on the treadmill when he called and she talked the whole time she worked out. Fucking Bullshit, right? Prior to this call, she had sent him a skype message “hey hows it going?”. So when i confronted her, i asked her if she had ever gone out of her way to message him, because she claims it was just him contacting her. ANd she lied straight to myt face and said no. And after i proved she had…she claims to have forgotten. Dont remember Dont remember Dont remember.

    I know how i feel bout this. But what im wondering is, if a girl feels that youre not interested in more than sex…and she keeps her options open like the above instances suggest…is that a slut red flag? Is this a solid enough endorsement of her not being gf material? Once i started getting pissed and laying down the law, she has shaped up. Claims to “not have known” she couldnt do that. She caters to my every whim, and has even offered to ditch her iphone for a cheapy, and change her number. I know shes afraid of losing me. thoughts are welcome.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 1:05 pm TLS

      also a footnote….im 90% sure ill be starting a new job with a new place soon. so no need to point out the living arrangement.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 1:38 pm Randy the Random

      Cohabiation is the tingle killer. It is the only force that violates the law of conservation. Any tingles which enter cohabitation are permanently eradicated from the universe, never to be seen again.

      Move out, and stop talking to her. She will come crawling back. You are better off homeless than cohabitating. I speak from experience. The fact that you’re going through her phone and records means you are too invested. You are too invested because you depend on her for housing, which automatically makes you feel like a low status man, which you are for going to such measures. If she moves in with you, you can boot her at anytime for any reason. The converse is the biggest DLV situation in existence.

      You are better off homeless than living at a girl’s place. Learn to camp. Your game will be better for it.

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      • on March 18, 2014 at 1:48 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        Exactly. You can’t be king of your castle if it’s owned by the queen.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:58 pm Matthew

        You cohabitate only when you have children you care about enough to protect them from her.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm Amy

      @TLS “I know how i feel bout this. But what im wondering is, if a girl feels that youre not interested in more than sex…and she keeps her options open like the above instances suggest…is that a slut red flag? Is this a solid enough endorsement of her not being gf material?”

      I think she fact that she lied to you is the red flag. She should have admitted she talked to these guys and if you got mad, pointed out that you weren’t acting like you wanted a relationship so she assumed it was fine. But the lying/sneaking around is a huge red flag, imo.

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  18. on March 18, 2014 at 1:03 pm Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention | TinderNews

    […] More: Never Put Yourself Out Of Contention […]

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  19. on March 18, 2014 at 2:13 pm Director

    when you reach for the phone log you have already lost.

    go bang a tart somewhere else.

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  20. on March 18, 2014 at 2:59 pm Lurking Gorilla

    Remarkable letter from a former slut:

    “Women need the raw and honest truth.

    Women who plan on finding ‘the one’ and getting married one day please, please, PLEASE listen to what these men have to say. I wish more than ANYTHING that I had this valuable insight into how men think and feel about sex, and promiscuous women when I was a teenager. If I have a daughter I will be educating her on this valubale life lesson. I feel like now, at the age of 29, I’m only just learning about men. My eyes have finally been opened. How could I have been so blinded before???”

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/01/22/hookinguprealities/witnessing-the-painful-fallout-of-female-promiscuity/

    It’s stunning to me how many young women these days are oblivious to how men think, they’re clueless about how damaging sleeping around is to their LTR value. Their parents have to relay this knowledge, otherwise they’re just shit parents.

    The owner of the site made an interesting comment too: “The other thing you should be aware of is that the truth will out. Hiding your past for a lifetime is extremely difficult logistically, but it is also very burdensome psychologically to keep that secret.”

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 10:00 pm Matthew

      The owner of that site is an unreformed slut pretending to be a reformed slut, offering advice to unreformable sluts on how to hide their sluttiness and snare beta providers.

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  21. on March 18, 2014 at 3:04 pm Dack

    Grown-ass Dack wishes schoolboy Dack would’ve put two and two together like schoolboy CH did, instead of doubling down on the painful path of beta. Women want a guy who Just Gets It, not a compliant herb who eagerly asks if it’s okay to kiss them.

    Asking a woman how to win her affection is like asking a boy how he wants to be raised. They’ll tell you the opposite of what they actually respond to, and they’ll flat out resent you if you do what they asked you to do.

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  22. on March 18, 2014 at 3:25 pm rouge

    Someone go check on CH now… he’s talking about himself in the 3rd person. He ain’t ok!

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  23. on March 18, 2014 at 4:34 pm Troubadour

    Hottie at the bank yesterday talking about how her husband “used to drink his paycheck, and then pay his bills with what was left over.”

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  24. on March 18, 2014 at 5:51 pm Mr Meaner

    Aussies here might be familiar with the story of Michael Hutchence.

    One of his fellow INXS band members once said to him:

    “How come, no matter what you to do women, they always forgive you? I’ve seen it happen for twenty years!”

    His casual response was “Maybe they don’t expect anything else.”

    The stories you hear and read about Hutchence indicate that he operated at an extremely hjgh level of game.

    His funeral was a cavalcade of distraught ex-lovers.

    I know what you’ll all say – the man was a rock star, what else did he need? And that’s true to an extent. However, he was also a natural at game. Plenty of rock stars don’t hold the spell he held, for a lifetime, over the women he crossed paths with. The other members of the band always wondered out loud – and were a bit pissed – about how Hutchence got away with what he did.

    He got away with it because he innately knew game.

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  25. on March 18, 2014 at 6:56 pm preston87

    “They nodded with a glaze of coerced recognition in the general direction of the girls who were showering them with admiration and affection. They moped with a practiced air of perpetual dissatisfaction.”

    This is excellently written

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  26. on March 18, 2014 at 7:19 pm walawala

    One self-defeating premise for guys is the age factor. I’m late 40’s and since discovering game have been doing great with girls 35 and below.

    At first it was strange only because my AFC mentality had been conditioned for find someone “age appropriate”.

    The supreme irony here is that so-called “Age-appropriate” women are horrible and past their sell-by date so are always putting up obstacles to meeting–they’re essentially set in their ways.

    They can’t meet because of work, a nail appointment, a something, they’re tired etc etc. You of course should be more understanding of this….etc etc.

    I had written extensively about my ex gf who is hot but at 35 and with her history and attitude will now only attract those beta providers she so viscerally detests.

    In fact at my final extraction 2 months ago—after she suddenly started bombarding me with messages of “concern” for my whereabouts only to tell me she just wanted to be “friends” I told her: “Forget me” and “Fuck off”.

    Side note for discussion: this idea of taking yourself out of contention on one hand is self-defeating. But the words “Forget me!” have a very profound and dramatic impact on girls who otherwise are in ambivalent mode. Girls sitting on the fence tend to do the very opposite of whatever is told to them.

    I’m doing great meantime.

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    • on March 18, 2014 at 10:03 pm corvinus

      Being in my early 30s, I still have the benefit that girls in their early 20s generally have no problem with me if they meet me in person (it may be different on a crappy internet matchmaking site), but it still seems a bit strange. But the women my own age are unsuitable, so the early 20s girls are pretty much my only option.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:27 am walawala

        Yes, ironically, if you’re older than 30’s you have a better chance with a certain type of girl in their 20’s. I met a few girls in their 20’s online–they were ok, not stunners but nothing to be embarrassed about—one was truly horrid. But from the two I banged, they wanted a more experienced guy.

        These girls that I’ve banged are a little more mature emotionally and sexually. They tend to be a bit more well-read, adventurous and bored with dudes their own age.

        To the shit test: “You’re too old for me….” I laugh and say “You want a boy or a man?”

        Game is really a tool-box and an attitude. There’s no absolutes that you’ll bang a girl, just that the chances of banging her will improve if you understand all the game principles.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:03 pm Matthew

        This is a particular instance of a general rule: you must skip the [unredeemable] cohort.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:56 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I never understood how these girls think about age. I did meet a couple of girls who wouldn’t consider being with someone over 22 or some other number, like there’s a difference between a 22 years old and a 23 years old. I didn’t care when I was 20, but as I’m entering my mid 20s, this will become an issue in the future that I’ll have to defuse.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:25 pm cryo

        Wha?…I’m 29 and recently impregnated a 20 year old. In a few months I’ll be 30 and I’ll still be going after fresh young poon.

        Your age is only a barrier if YOU make it one. I seriously believe that.

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  27. on March 18, 2014 at 10:47 pm Will

    Also looking at the fact that the society we live in now revolves a good amount around instagram and facebook which might amplify this facial attractiveness importance.

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  28. on March 18, 2014 at 11:43 pm Will

    CH I love the blog and agree with a great majority on here, if not everything. However, the one thing I have never really been able to fully accept and agree on (although I do accept/agree on a little just not fully convinced) is the fact that looks don’t matter to women as much as they do to men. I agree not as much, but I still think they matter more than you say they do especially facial attractiveness. I do not consider myself very facially attractive (I have muscle tone and scored well on the male smv test but not facially attractive), so this may be me projecting my insecurity or whatever onto the topic.
    However, it is so obvious to see that if you are facially considered a male 8-10 then it will not be hard to bed women as long as you’re not retarded and have somewhat a sense of game and hitting on women–which you probably will because facial attractiveness generally represents good gene pool. For instance, one thing that would be VERY interesting to do is one weekend go out a couple of nights but wear blue eye contacts or brown eye contacts (whichever color is opposite to you). I have brown eyes, and I am almost positive that if I had blue eyes or blue eye contacts girls would be even more receptive of me and some would even approach me. This is almost proof that looks (ESPECIALLY facially) can get you the head start over other guys and from there you can only fuck it up which is easy for some guys to do but, again, you have to be retarded and with no sense of game (not even instinctively). I think that if an extremely tight/on his game boyfriend who is not very facially attractive has a very high smv girlfriend, and the high smv girlfriend is being hit on or gamed by more facially attractive males she will eventually cheat or leave with the facially attractive male who also has even a little game. Thats probably a bit overboard, but I swear that facial attractiveness is more important than you think (i know ”science”/studies show certain things and CH has shown them). Facially attractive males not only have the facial attractiveness but then you take into consideration ‘preselection’ from gfs talking about how cute they are etc. etc. not sure what to think of that situation b/c I could just be biased from a male hindbrain….Thoughts

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:57 am Arbiter

      Indeed. Generally this is said about game: when men look at women, they look almost entirely at looks. Women look at a mix between Looks, Personality, Social Status and Economy. So looks matter less to women than to men, but are in the big four.

      Don’t men look at personality, intelligence, whether a woman has gotten somewhere in her life? Yes, but as long as all of those are on a decent enough level, we don’t care. Our demands there are simply that these factors don’t rock the boat. Looks are by far more important.

      This is, of course, logical. And let’s say it once again: In the Stone Age, those men who were easily aroused by visual input would have more sex and more children, who then carried on their genes. That is why men are far more turned on by the visual. And while men’s standards for who to have sex with are pretty low (for casual sex), we still look for all those things that are signs of health, showing that a woman will be a good mate to have children with.

      Women could only have a few children in their lifetime, so they couldn’t use the same “spray and pray” tactic, and had to instead focus on getting the highest possibly quality for their few children. They needed a man with the best possible genes, and a man who was strong, intelligent, had a good standing in the village, and was both brave and caring enough to stay and protect the woman and her offspring.

      A final note: men in the harsher climates in northern Europe balanced the Quantity tactic with the Quality tactic far more than those farther to the south. Because if you sired many children and hoped some would survive, none would. In the cold winters where nothing could grow for half the year and game was scarce, they had to have fewer children and care for them. As opposed to African villages where it was much more common for men to abandon the women once they got pregnant, so that the women raised their children alone, or together with a childless male relative – a brother or uncle.

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  29. on March 19, 2014 at 12:10 am Henry Jones

    Agree with Will… under certain circumstances, women will show a strong bias for literally “pretty” boys. A lot of my experience was in situations where the (very desirable) men outnumbered the women 10-1… in those situations where the women had the numbers on their side many of them went not for the “most alpha” or the “highest status” men but for the prettiest, even if they were otherwise devoid of game. My impression was they consciously thought they could work their way down to whatever they wanted so they went for the most classically attractive men first. I literally saw 6’s routinely turn up their noses at men that they should not be able to even talk to because they had the demographics on their side. (For CH’s benefit: this was Washington DC in the late 80s/early 90s.) I saw a lot of things in that skewed environment that aren’t compatible with the general themes on this site and others like it. Depending on the situation, it doesn’t necessarily matter how alpha you are…

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  30. on March 19, 2014 at 11:43 am Grim

    I’ve been putting myself out of contention. My internals are terrible. I decide in advance that the girl will eventually not like me and my situation (divorced with 2 kids who I have every weekend and will not give that up) makes it impossible.

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