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The Final Word On Peacocking

March 19, 2014 by CH

Peacocking — the art of dressing ostentatiously to attract positive female attention — has been a staple of game theory for a long time, ever since Mystery proved in-field that gaudy outfits were like flames to moths.

But peacocking has been controversial from the start. Some players thought it looked try-hard, and whatever initial impression was made on women would dissipate soon after. Some thought it would invite antagonism from other men. Still others argued that too much peacocking made a man seem unattainable and this was ultimately self-defeating to his goal of getting loved.

All these were plausible objections. CH has long been on record for finding a peacocking “sweet spot” — unique, but not too outrageous, and accented with peacocky accoutrements. The goal should be to stand out without looking like a dork completely out of his element.

Thankfully, the ❤️science❤️ is rolling in to help clear the confusion on this perennial topic. One important result emerges from the latest slew of studies: Context, and self-confidence, matter.

Anyone who has felt like the odd duck of the group can take heart from new research from Harvard Business School that says sticking out in distinct ways can lend you an air of presence or influence. […]

Less work has focused on what others think of those who try to communicate that they are different or worthy of attention. Efforts to be different are interesting because humans are wired to conform and be part of a group.

In a series of studies published in the Journal of Consumer Research in February, Silvia Bellezza, a doctoral student, and two Harvard professors sought to examine what observers thought of individuals who deviated from the norm in the workplace and in a retail setting. Some of the work was conducted in the lab on students. Other studies took place in the community and involved passersby or attendees of a seminar. Most of the studies included about 150 participants. What they found was that being a little different can socially benefit people—in some situations.

The following parts of the experiment were heavily context-dependent:

In their first study, they asked shop assistants and pedestrians in Milan to rate what they thought of people who walked into luxury stores wearing gym clothes. The subjects also rated those who wore outfits typically considered more appropriate, like a dress and fur coat.

Pedestrians were more likely to think that a well-dressed individual was more likely to have the money to buy something in the store. Shop assistants thought the opposite. Those more familiar with the luxury retail environment were more likely to assume that a gym-clothes-wearing client was confident enough to not need to dress up more, and therefore more apt to be a celebrity making a purchase than someone wrapped in fur.

The same pattern emerged in subsequent studies conducted in other settings: Students afforded more respect to a fictitious bearded professor who wore a T-shirt than to a clean-shaven one who wore a tie. Candidates entering a business-plan competition who chose to use their own PowerPoint presentation background were tabbed more likely to win than those who used the standard background.

Lesson: You don’t want to look like every other button-down, jeans-wearing dude. The safe play won’t get you much negative attention, but neither will it earn you much positive attention. You have to dress with deliberate “social risk amplification” in mind. In the courtship arenas of bars et al, you should strive to look like a man who has nothing to prove and isn’t concerned with people’s expectations.

But, there are limits to the effectiveness of nonconformism:

There are boundaries to the benefits of looking different, the Harvard work showed. If an individual was viewed as accidentally out of sync with everyone else, such as mistakenly wearing a red bow tie rather than black at a formal event, that erased positive feelings about him among those surveyed. Those opinions only improved when the survey group believed their contrarian acted differently on purpose.

“In order to think that the person’s a big shot, you have to understand that the person is willingly engaging in this nonconforming conduct,” Ms. Bellezza says.

One reason Mystery’s peacocking worked so well was because his attitude and the context within which he operated (nightclubs) conveyed intention. No woman would assume he “accidentally” wore a feather boa. He wore his flagrant peacocks’ attire with purpose. That is, he owned it. Contrast is king, but only when overconfidence is co-king.

There’s one more important caveat:

In addition, the environment must give cues that suggest a person’s talent or wealth. Standing in the front of the classroom or walking confidently into a luxury store already imply some level of belonging. But when an observer didn’t know whether the person they view is part of the group, eccentric dress was seen as a negative, according to the researchers.

Peacocking has to be framed. If you’re a newbie to game dressed in Victorian coat, spats and Celtic pendant, but carrying yourself with the body language of an anxious and uncertain man in a roomful of strangers, you will signal too much outsiderness. You will be shit tested and ostracized as a dork. Your already weak frame will be smashed to smithereens.

The solution is 1. peacocking only in the company of people who are already familiar with you (social proof) or 2. tempering your flash in the company of strangers so that you don’t unduly alert any of them to your outsider status.

Body language, as usual, is key here. The stronger — i.e., more alpha — your presence, the easier it will be to stand outside the crowd dressed in odd or inappropriate clothing. The irony of successful peacocking is that you have to act like you belong to afford the social risk of dressing like you don’t belong.

Maxim #42: Contrast in how you dress is received better by the group when you are socially proofed.

Corollary to Maxim #42: If you peacock, don’t wait long to befriend the group. Peacocking should be framed as “This is totally normal. The problem is everyone else’s weirdness about it.”

There are times when communicating high rank and competence becomes more important, such as during a shake-up in management at work. Signaling one’s place in a group reduces uncertainty, but sometimes the goal may be to fit into the group, and sometimes to signal that one is a high-status person in the group, says David Dubois, a marketing professor at Insead in France and Singapore.

Given the strong female predilection for higher status men, signaling high rank within a social milieu is more crucial to seduction success than is signaling group membership. You can dress conservatively and fit in, and you’ll make lots of asexual friends that way, or you can dress a little crazy and attract women intrigued by your handicapping boldness.

Dr. Poole’s best practical advice: “Don’t talk a lot if you have high status. People will assume you’re competent and when you talk, they will listen to you.”

Poon Commandments V and VI.

Mystery’s peacocking was not a superficial ploy. He thrived on negative attention from women because he knew that it was simpler to attract an antagonistic woman than it was to attract an indifferent woman. He knew he had the game cattle to go with his furry hat. This latest series of studies examining peacocking may overlook that calculation: Eccentric dress to provoke negative social appraisal as a means of accelerating courtship.

The Bottom Line

Don’t peacock until you’ve improved your body language and have learned how to talk to women confidently and handle the inevitable shit tests you’ll get when you start dressing in a unique manner. The clothes alone won’t make you a player. If you peacock, don’t stand around waiting for women to notice your courageous sartorial ensemble; approach promptly, and act like there’s nothing unusual about how you’re dressed. Remember that a major goal of peacocking is to provoke negative attention which, in women, is a direct pipeline to their sexual interest. If you struggle with negative attention, don’t peacock. You don’t need to go full-body peacock to raise your relative in-group status; subtle cues of risk-taking alphatude — jewelry, tattoos, shoes — can work just as well if the social context is skewed toward a conformist, bland dress code.

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  1. on March 19, 2014 at 12:29 pm Scray

    The clothes alone won’t make you a player

    Peacocking — style, fashion — is just a status signal. It invites shit testing. It’s a type of gambit.

    This is a good post because it clarifies a lot behind peacocking. Peacocking just creates opportunity and draws attention. From there, you have to back it up with the bonafides of whatever identity you are presenting.

    But just by going out more and getting into more shit, you’ll probably naturally start to peacock more. The identity will manifest itself — tattoos, maybe a nice suit, etc. Natural progression.

    So, I agree with fake it til you make it…but peacocking is probably one thing I’d say isn’t necessary to ‘fake.’ Just leave it alone until you’ve made it elsewhere.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:01 pm diablox

        we’re still waiting on your expert commentary re: tucker max mating grounds

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:36 pm preston87

        Themz fighting wordsz!

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm Zombie Shane

        > “MATT KING”

        That filthy little jesuit hasn’t been posting here much lately.

        I hope he’s okay.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 5:22 pm gaoxiaen

      Or you could go to the gym.

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  2. on March 19, 2014 at 12:30 pm The Final Word On Peacocking | Manosphere.com

    […] The Final Word On Peacocking […]

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  3. on March 19, 2014 at 12:35 pm cryo

    “Lesson: You don’t want to look like every other button-down, jeans-wearing dude. The safe play won’t get you much negative attention, but neither will it earn you much positive attention. You have to dress with deliberate “social risk amplification” in mind. In the courtship arenas of bars et al, you should strive to look like a man who has nothing to prove and isn’t concerned with people’s expectations.”

    This is something I’ve always instinctively been aware of even back when I was a lesser beta. Even when I was getting trampled on by women, I was still doing it in style lol.

    Pro-tip: I don’t really give a shit about peacocking one way or the other, I think its a bit try-hard but if it works for you it works. What I find most important is to be aware of how your clothes fit you. Back in the day, there wasn’t all of this off-the-rack mall brand crapwear that drapes off your gut like a post-Wall labia. People had their clothes tailored to their bodies and they looked better for it. I’m not saying you have to go out and get a tailor, but just be aware of how your clothes fit you (along with how cool they are) and you’ll benefit from it.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:56 pm Simon Corso

      ” What I find most important is to be aware of how your clothes fit you.”

      I grew up thinking that trying on clothes in a dressing room is something only chicks and homos do. Wasted a lot of money on really cool clothes that didn’t fit.

      Try before you buy , and be aware that most things will shrink a little after the first wash.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:24 pm Zombie Shane

        > “something only chicks and homos do”

        It is beyond me – in this day and age – how any discussion of “peacocking” cannot begin and end with the 800 lb gorilla lurking over in the corner of the room: How the fuck do you decide whether these ridiculous outfits are going to attract chicks or attract dicks?

        It’s obvious that precisely that fear is responsible for the rise of the grunge/fuzzy/lumberjack/paul-bunyon look, which is so ubiquitous amongst hetero dudes nowadays, simply because the faggots are just about the only “males” who dress like choir boys anymore.

        It’s getting to the point where

        {closely cropped hair} + {clean-shaven} + {white button-down shirt} + {conservative striped tie} == FLAMING FUCKING FAGGOT

        Which is a crying shame, since closely cropped hair and clean-shaven and a white button-down shirt and a conservative striped tie was how I always used to dress.

        Filthy fucking faggot-assed faggoty-faggot motherfuckers.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:58 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        When I was a freshman at university, I had a professor who not only was pretty good at his job, but he also was cocky and he wore button-up shirts with his suits that stood out, such as fuchsia colored shirts with nice ties. He combined this attitude with a willingness to listen if your concerns were pertinent and with being amusing. A lot of the girls in the class had some sort of crush on him and he married a former student.

        I think becoming an university professor is a pretty good deal considering you get access to girls in their prime age and the whole frame makes you higher value than her.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm JohnDSee

        Frankfurt school shenanigans have convinced women that pre-emptive double mastectomies are a normal safety precaution. Convincing heterosexual men to dress like homos seems trite.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:28 pm Ronin

      Tailoring will definitely make the difference between fresh-from-JCPenney-Haggar-suit-separates and James Bond, even on a $250 suit.

      Also, these days it’s surprising how much of the stuff out there is made in the same goddamn Chinese factories; -including Brooks Brothers’ suits.

      The guy in Brooklyn who makes them by hand for $3k will be better than even a Kiton.

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  4. on March 19, 2014 at 12:39 pm chi-town

    I remember one day I went to the club. My friend got these MC Hammer pants. So I decided to get my own pair with a cool looking black T-shirt which actually was a pretty good look. Now I was in very good shape , but then I was also without the pants. In those pants, when I was in my early 20s, not only did I pick up a German Au pair but I also made a woman who looked like she was in her late 20s cry. She was not a fresh coed , but she was a bangable 7. Two for two. She was weeping that a guy like me would not want a girl like her. Well, I was already with my new Au pair.

    These fucking pants…..

    Some how these pants ended up in the wash and shrunk. So just sort of moved on without the peacock effect…

    There was no “game” in those days but the moment that this concept came to light in my case it all made perfect sense. I had good raw materials. I was in shape and a little cocky, but it was not until I pushed the edge that I entered into the girl magnet territory. Sadly for my sake I was too ignorant to consciously know what I had put together just by chance.

    It cannot be ridiculous, but something edgy does matter..

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  5. on March 19, 2014 at 12:40 pm The Burninator

    Hence why I continue to wear a Stetson, a “working out on the ranch” black or red t-shirt and cowboy-biker boots (they exist) in central Ohio. It’s a freaking aphrodisiac when combined on a tall, square jawed man with a good build. Hell even regular dudes do better here if they put on a Stetson, but 99.9999% are too stubborn or stupid to take the hint. The rest of course choosing to wear the same stupid shit that they’d wear to either their boring as cubicle job or to a baseball game. Baseball hats, guys, even worn backwards, do not make you stick out in a crowd. Tall, imposing with a white cowboy hat on the other hand and the chicks can’t line up fast enough for you. It probably doesn’t work that way in Arizona where it’s common, unlike Ohio, so I suspect context is key.

    Back in my college days, when you were ‘allowed’ to smoke in public, I’d go into bars with a pipe. Like the kind Dad would have smoked in the 1950’s. The number of girls who took notice and cooed about it, even asking to try it, was amazing. It was different, and different combined with confidence sells.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm Reservoir Tip

      What about a fedora?

      Just kidding.

      On a serious note, at my college, being the guy in decent pants and a button down with the sleeves rolled up is what makes you stick out. Truly the lowest common denominator at my school.

      When I feel like “peacocking” a bit, I throw on the jacket from that movie Drive.

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  6. on March 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm chi-town

    “Lesson: You don’t want to look like every other button-down, jeans-wearing dude.”

    Sure ya can. Just make sure you do it at a biker bar.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm The Burninator

      Nope, doesn’t work there. Everybody is dressed down to the same common denominators – jeans, t-shirt, leather vest, sunglasses. Hence my post above in how I make it different (since I hang out in biker bars).

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 12:47 pm The Burninator

        And to clarify, coming in button down and jeans makes a guy out to be an office simp. Not the presentation you want in a biker bar.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 1:06 pm SGOTI

        Exactly. To stand out better, wear a Mongols patch in a Hells Angels bar, or vice versa. And maybe some nice red socks.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 1:10 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        And a bow tie.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 1:11 pm The Burninator

        Heh

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:28 pm gaoxiaen

        Yeah. I had to tell my buddy to not wear a t-shirt with 81 on it when we went out. He had no clue.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:15 pm YaReally

        “And to clarify, coming in button down and jeans makes a guy out to be an office simp. Not the presentation you want in a biker bar.”

        Only if he can’t handle the shit-testing (from men and women) that he’ll receive. If he can, he’ll be just fine, and make the girls curious to shit-test him, and if he passes their shit-tests he gains attraction…if he passes guys’ shit-tests he gains their respect. Exact same psychological formula as anywhere else…peoples is peoples lol

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      • on March 21, 2014 at 6:15 am The Burninator

        Real life experience informs that he’ll be ignored by aforementioned women, though yes, he will catch shit from some of the men there. Chicks don’t hit these particular bars looking for beta office cubicle schlubs. If they wanted that, they’d go to most any other joint.

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      • on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm YaReally

        “Real life experience informs that he’ll be ignored by aforementioned women, though yes, he will catch shit from some of the men there. Chicks don’t hit these particular bars looking for beta office cubicle schlubs. If they wanted that, they’d go to most any other joint.”

        Real life experience informs that it’ll go down the way I described. Which do you think is more likely: That 99.99999% of men are lame beta schlubs so you’ve only seen lame ones in your bar? Or that I and my buddies have repeatedly magically cast a spell over people in the bars we go to to create multiple fluke anomalies?

        Most guys are losers, so ya, the office guys going to your bar are all losers. It would be very rare for you to 1) see a cool office guy in any capacity, and 2) a cool office guy would decide to go into your bar, and 3) a cool office guy would go into your bar in his office attire.

        You think your bar is special because you’re invested in your identity, but it’s not. You’re doing the exact same thing as girls saying “well that might work on those slutty bar whores but that wouldn’t work on MY friends”.

        It’s the same as every other bar, human psychology is human psychology. I know you won’t believe it because hey, no one thinks hot girls would be into Mystery’s furry hat when they first see a pic of it…but the psychology works exactly the same everywhere. If you dress different, but clearly on purpose and not because you’re socially inept, and you can handle the shit-tests from people, you will get attraction from the girls around you. That’s how it goes.

        What you’re saying is like saying “well in biker bars, girls aren’t attracted to social proof.” That’s just not how it works, this shit we’re tapping into is hard-wired. You may not have seen a good example of it, which is totally possible, because a cool guy who dressed like an office guy and confidently goes into a biker bar expecting everyone to like him and able to handle shit-tests from the guys (those are what instigate the shit-tests from the girls btw, when they see the guy handle the other guys, then the girls are interested and move in), would be rare as FUCK. You’d be lucky to see that in action lol, like seeing an eclipse.

        But it’s possible. And repeatable. And uses the exact same psychological principles that everywhere else uses.

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  7. on March 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm maurice

    Peacocking is very context-dependent. What works well in a Vegas club won’t at an upscale lounge where the crowd is older, or a SWPL coffee shop, and so on. Knowing the social context is important and a sign of social savvy and “mastery”; not reading this correctly is the opposite.

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  8. on March 19, 2014 at 1:06 pm Caramba

    I have played football (soccer) on quite a high level till the age of 20 (and less serious later) and I noticed that when trialing for a new team or with a new coach I had more chances of being noticed when I died my hair blond.
    Like whenever I had my hair died a new team coach would most definitely call me aside to “have a talk about my future”))

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:20 pm Harland

      Someone should write a post about that. I dyed my short hair blonde for a year or so to totally get away from the loser I was before. It worked great! Blondes really do have more fun.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:57 pm corvinus

        Men bleaching their hair?

        Gay, or Eurotrash.

        In the USA, growing a beard has a similar effect, and looks more manly too.

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      • on March 26, 2014 at 3:57 am Niko

        Hipster 😉
        Not even close to bleaching your hair

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  9. on March 19, 2014 at 1:09 pm RJ

    In other words, “Suit up!”

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:28 pm Mitch Cumstein

      I wish that line wasn’t made famous by Neil Patrick Harris. For my money, the worst American sitcom of all time.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 1:57 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        The lead character is pathetic.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:48 pm pulsotic

        It’s disgusting. The only guy good with women on that show is in reality a homosexual.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 9:53 pm JB

        Worst American sitcom of all time, not by a long shot (though it is pretty bad). I’d like to slap the Lilly character silly). Two worse that are current – Two Broke Girls (just vile) and Suburgatory> The last one is the ultimate SWPL cream-dream – living in an upper-class, basically segregated world, but it’s OK because they’re snarky about it.

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  10. on March 19, 2014 at 1:13 pm Mr. Roach

    USMC Dress Blues always seem to get the job done, especially if worn in an otherwise grubby neighborhood bar.

    Also, can we agree that anything “Steampunk” is the lamest shit on the planet. Just sayin.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:17 pm The Burninator

      Original steampunk sci-fi lit was ok, at the beginning. But yeah, as a fashion device it seems rather lame.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:37 pm tteclod

        It’s good on girls: flesh exposure combined with otherwise conservative dress works fine.

        Lately, I’ve taken to shifting my wardrobe toward working-man clothes – steel-toe boots and all. I spend about 15% of my time on construction sites – usually without warning – so it’s practical. I’m even thinking of buying overalls and wearing a work-shirt with my company logo, tax-deductable, of course. Enjoy the decline.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:07 pm Rick Derris

      There were a number of guys using Steampunk-esque Victorian top hats at SXSW this year. Not sure if they were trying to peacock or were hipsters ironically wearing the hats. They are also starting to wear monocles.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:32 pm gaoxiaen

        Maybe they were going to a Monopoly tournament, or merely Reason readers.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 8:14 am Ryan Vann

        Reason readers….lulz.

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  11. on March 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm Bob Smith

    One thing the study did not appear to correct for: the physical attractiveness of the man himself. Wearing the exact same outfit, does a short man get a different reaction than a tall one? Does a man with high facial attractiveness get a different reaction than one who doesn’t have that?

    [CH: no sock puppeting. the answer to your oh so sincere question is that the same participants were used in the different study scenarios, so any differences in perception were relative to the context rather than the individual.]

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm Scray

      Peacocking is a gambit. The short/ugly/whatever guy who peacocks will get shit tested way harder — and so arguably derives more benefit from peacocking.

      So ya…high risk/high reward. If you’re a short guy and you peacock (in whatever way) but crush a few shit tests — esp in a group setting — you are on god mode.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm YaReally

        Yep. Watch Cupid Schmupid on YouTube crushing shit-tests left and right for an example. The harder they test you, the more attraction you build when you pass that test. I don’t peacock anymore but I instigate shit-tests verbally by saying extremely offensive/crude things and then passing the shit-tests that result from that. Same concept, different instigating technique.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:59 pm Scray

        I’m trying to get into that. The only problem I have is that I can’t open with that stuff yet. I usually open relatively normally, and then I drop that stuff a few minutes into the interaction.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:46 pm lamb chop

        Sometimes it’s best to just adopt the peacock grooming. I imitate Jesus.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 2:05 pm El Capitan

        What about a handlebar moustache?

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 4:44 pm little spoon

      My brother is like 5 feet 6 and he dresses peacocky like no other. He also gets ladies like it would make James Bond jealous.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:26 am GasButtox

        Feminist(butto)X,

        In the shadows of my buttox resides a creature of the underdark, a Tamil chick.

        What does she do over there with her little spoon?

        Why, she attempts to diligently Detox my Buttox, chanting “Hi ho, hi ho, its back to work I go….”

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  12. on March 19, 2014 at 1:15 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    A nice watch and pair of shoes work wonders when the other guys are wearing Dockers and square-toed Kenneth Cole shoes.

    Another easy way to peacock is to wear a pink dress shirt. Pink is still a rare color for men’s shirts on this side of the pond. Trousers in GTH (Go To Hell) colors also work. You have to have the confidence to make them work.

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  13. on March 19, 2014 at 1:19 pm Niklas

    You can wear whatever but you have to be able to pull it off, to represent it. Whatever style you chose has to look like it’s your natural style. If you chose a style and then your personality is incongruent with the expectations people have on people with that look, you will just come off as a clown. This is especially true the more extreme your style is. For example, if you want to look like a bandana-wearing Guido thug then you can’t be a social reject who sits alone in the corner at the club, you’ll look like a social reject. You have to be high energy and act like a douche.

    So, pick a style that suits you.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:22 pm Niklas

      By the way I work in prison, and our uniforms are similar to some police uniforms. Walking to work on a sunny day in the uniform and it’s insane the interested looks I get from women.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 1:25 pm The Burninator

        Yeah, chicks and uniforms. It’s fuckin’ nuts, but it conforms perfectly with their innate instinct to be ruled over and dominated.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:25 pm Niklas

        Absolutely. Women want to be commanded. This is where many men fail. In everything from meaningless everyday decisions of what to do, eat, where to go etc. (“You decide, doesn’t matter to me.”) to being to passive and not taking initative during sex.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:35 pm gaoxiaen

        True. Ithink it’s because uniform types are on some sort of mental checklist, like collecting flags.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:37 am They are Possessions

        More evidence that hamster cannot differentiate between “natural” alpha and “learned” alpha.

        Uniforms = follows orders but hamster sees self-control/discipline/Dom.

        Dress like the man you aspire to be not the man you are a.k.a. fake it ’til you make it a.k.a. adopt alpha behavior = alpha.

        They need to know we know what we’re doing before they can submit.

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  14. on March 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm Grim

    does it make me extra beta that I don’t know what this is?:

    Victorian coat, spats and Celtic pendant

    And I’m too checked out to even google it. Back to my guitar….

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  15. on March 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm Amy

    I vote try-hard. A feather boa?!?

    [CH: Your vote doesn’t matter. But his lay ratio does. And on that point you can’t argue with the feather boa.]

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 1:54 pm Amy

      It’s feminine.

      [CH: Chicks dig the dandy.]

      Earrings??

      [Moral opprobrium doesn’t change field success.]

      Maybe his ratio is better than doing nothing, but I wonder how he does matched up against the non-showy nonconformist don’t-give-a-damn types.

      [Sometimes ya gotta show how much you don’t give a damn in spectacular fashion.]

      I think that guy would do a lot better than some goofball draped in feathers.

      [What you think while reading a blog post far removed from the helter skelter of a club scene is irrelevant to what actually works on women. Mystery says his lay rate went way up when he stopped being a normal guy and started being a showy player.]

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm YaReally

        “I wonder how he does matched up against the non-showy nonconformist don’t-give-a-damn types. I think that guy would do a lot better than some goofball draped in feathers.”

        That’s because, despite your solipsism, you are an average girl and getting you is not the goal of every guy lol

        Mystery’s over-the-top peacocking wasn’t meant for you:

        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aOs3DIvlSjU/T-0a_-lvDEI/AAAAAAAAM8M/4gkht_bdB70/s1600/Horns+Up+Rocks+Tommy+Lee+Fan

        It was meant for the girls who’s day to day lifestyle involves peacocking because they’re confident enough to enjoy being the center of attention…those girls won’t even notice the non-showy guy in a chaotic nightclub, but they’ll notice a guy like Mystery who cold-approaches their group, and go “this is a guy who gets it” and test him to see if he’s legit/congruent to his image.

        Other guys are invisible standing next to Mystery because he’s so over-the-top, the same way you would be invisible to most men if you were standing beside these girls lol:

        [CH: Well said. A lot of complaints from girls on this board and similar boards are a result of them being average lookers. Average girls are put off by ostentatious men because such men make them feel their averageness. They know these men aren’t putting on the show for them, but for their hotter competition.]

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 8:16 am Amy

        “CH: Well said. A lot of complaints from girls on this board and similar boards are a result of them being average lookers. Average girls are put off by ostentatious men because such men make them feel their averageness.”

        Lol… yea that’s it. I never get hit on so I just don’t know what to do.

        Look, he gets noticed, no doubt. I’d notice him. I’d shit test him. I’d end up liking him, thinking he was fun, dancing w him, whatever. But I’d assume he was gay because of the way he “peacocks”… earrings, nailpolish, feather boa. So what I don’t understand is how he gets from the negative of looking/acting effeminate to the positive of the girl feeling sexual attraction. Maybe I just like super masculine guys, I dunno.

        [CH: Game is about efficiency, effectiveness, and maximizing odds. If ten girls like the Mystery look, and one likes what you like, men are best served emulating the former.]

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:56 am Amy

        Point taken.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        “But I’d assume he was gay because of the way he “peacocks”… earrings, nailpolish, feather boa. So what I don’t understand is how he gets from the negative of looking/acting effeminate to the positive of the girl feeling sexual attraction. ”
        I thought one of the principles of game is letting the girl know you want sex early. Would you think a peacocking dude who lets you know that he wants your legs on his shoulders be considered gay by you? If that’s the case, I know autistic children with more social astuteness than you. 🙂

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 3:35 pm Amy

        If he looks/acts effeminate, I’m just not going to feel it. I know guys who are effeminate who swear they’re hetero and hit on girls, I know it happens and it can work but I can’t imagine going for that myself. This is a lot like how I feel about Russell Brand…. he looks fun and hyper and great to party with, but he isn’t very masculine to me.

        I’d even shit test feather boa guy differently than I’d shit test a masculine guy. I’d be teasing him like he was my equal, like I would another girl or my brother… sort of trying to best him with teasing. It’s a totally different vibe than if I’m starting to feel attracted to the guy, which makes me more flustered and less aggressive with the teasing and shit testing.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:04 pm diablox

        amy likes him… in a way

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:17 pm Amy

        Lol. I like gay guys… in a way.

        I’m not hating on the concept of being showy and confident and attracting attention, I’m just suggesting it can be overdone like anything else, and you don’t have to feminize yourself to do it.

        If that guy above approached me, I’d laugh and talk to him, but I’d think he was gay.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 7:50 am Holden Caulfield

        Just *seeing the picture* of Mystery has put her in a shit-testing mode. Peacocking for the win.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:10 pm Scray

        Your reaction is exactly what he’d want, tho.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 6:06 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Earrings??

        [Moral opprobrium doesn’t change field success.]”

        I seem to recall a fairly recent Chateau thread where the assertion was made that vigilant fathers are to sociopathic alphas as garlic is to Dracula?

        Or something similar.

        Point being that if one of these idiot peacocking whoreson motherfuckers were to show up at the doorstep of my house, wanting to date my daughter, then he’d be lucky just to end up in the Surgery ICU.

        As opposed to the morgue.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 8:20 am Ryan Vann

      Gotta agree here; I think the guy is huckster attempting to trick nerds into looking like complete goobers and making asses of themselves. A basic rule of thumb, if it has a film crew, it is complete fabricated bullshit.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 8:33 am YaReally

        Another rule of thumb: guys who claim pickup footage is all paid actresses don’t go out because they haven’t experienced girls being attracted to them quickly so they have to claim it’s all fake instead of accepting that they aren’t attractive to women and stepping their game up. If you were going out and running game and trying peacocking out, you’d see it all for yourself.

        The evidence that game works is all around you, you just have to go out and open your eyes.

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    • on March 21, 2014 at 6:58 am Kate

      No one can argue with the feather boa. Its too alpha to talk.

      (If these boas could talk!)

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  16. on March 19, 2014 at 1:42 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Pedestrians were more likely to think that a well-dressed individual was more likely to have the money to buy something in the store. Shop assistants thought the opposite. Those more familiar with the luxury retail environment were more likely to assume that a gym-clothes-wearing client was confident enough to not need to dress up more, and therefore more apt to be a celebrity making a purchase than someone wrapped in fur.

    I see this all the time. The richest guys are invariably dressed in old t-shirt, shorts, and flip-flops. They have a laid-back, quiet demeanor. Some of the WASPs and Old Money types I grew up with often wore very old clothes that were literally falling apart. Is there such a thing as anti-peacocking?

    The nouveau riche upstarts–often Asian, Arab, and Persian immigrants–like to cover themselves in flashy designer labels and bling and drive shiny new sports cars. Then you find out they’re renting a tiny $2,200/month apartment in Anaheim with their extended family and basically living paycheck to paycheck. And the sports car is leased.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:01 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      This. Wealthy people tend to buy high-quality stuff, and use it until it wears out. It’s part of how they stay wealthy.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:23 pm Ronin

      Bang-on about the old-money WASPs. I see this, too.

      Threadbare Brooks Brothers Preppy stuff, ‘Nantucket Red’, and a vintage Mercedes 240 are the surest signs.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 6:13 am sir vicks

        >Mercedes 240

        Family heirloom

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:55 pm Anonymous

      Same with the royal family and the old Enlgish aristocracy (at least in the pre-modern media days): threadbare tweeds were the norm.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 4:52 pm little spoon

      Re anti peacock- my brother does this too some days. Does that have a name? Like he was super popular in high school but sometimes he would dress like an extreme dork instead of a jock. He had Gloria Steinem style glasses and wore cheap business clothes with it. What is it called if you handicap yourself just to show that you have enough swagger to blaze right through the handicap?

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 5:19 pm driveallnight

      Dead-on. And that last paragraph describes nearly every Armenian in LA.

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  17. on March 19, 2014 at 1:46 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    Here’s an idea: Tactical kilt.
    Every girl you see will think it’s a brilliant joke to ask you if you’re wearing it “True Scotsman” style.
    Plus, you will learn how comfortable it is to not have to wear pants when it’s really hot outside.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm Greg Eliot

      I think RD was standing too close to the caber toss at her last Celtic Fest.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:02 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        I think Greg Eliot is jealous of my sporrin.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:00 pm Greg Eliot

        Pulling the “just jealous” gambit?

        Sigh… all these months at the chateau and you’re still no further than Day 1.

        And then you broads wonder why men hold your intellects in such low esteem… go figure.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:08 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        You fairy.

        (Is that better?)

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 6:02 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        You fairy.

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      • on March 22, 2014 at 2:44 pm Greg Eliot

        Better… but even though it’s the sincerest form of flattery, it’s still mere imitation.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 3:39 pm Charlie Dont Surf

      Kilts are itchy. A sarong works better … clingy cotton eye candy.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 5:42 pm gaoxiaen

      It’s hard to be comfortable in a shirt. I wore a longhi in Burma and couldn’t stand it (for more than a few minutes), even though everyone else was wearing them. They are much more comfortable than jeans in hot, humid, Rangoon, but… AND the men squat to piss there (!). Couldn’t do that.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:43 pm gaoxiaen

        *skirt

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 9:33 pm Roar

      Sometimes I see guys wearing those here, always by betas who would be invisible otherwise. It oddly makes their mundane nature stick out.

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  18. on March 19, 2014 at 2:05 pm Reservoir Tip

    Come summer time I’m regularly out and about in a ratty old tanktop and short running shorts. I’ve got nice quads, so I show them off.

    Went to a little tourist trap town near me dressed like that one day, and I was walking around all the guys were scoffing at me.

    Maybe it’s because all their wives and girlfriends were rubbernecking.

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  19. on March 19, 2014 at 2:06 pm ar10308

    Here’s an astonishing cuckolding trend being observed in Europe. Ed Houben has fathered 98 children. He used to go through sperm banks. Now he does it the old fashioned way, by having sex with the women, even if they are married with the husband’s full consent.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26636166
    http://gawker.com/europes-most-potent-sperm-donor-has-successfully-impre-1547394097

    The only thing I can say is that at least he isn’t African.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 1:55 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I don’t have a problem with fucking other people’s women, but I noticed that the people who have a cuckolding fetish want to watch another man plunder their wife or girlfriend. I think that must be awkward as fuck.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 2:14 pm ar10308

        Of course a man wouldn’t have a problem banging another man’s woman. That’s practically natural.

        I remember reading a post Athol Kay made about men with a cuckold fetish and he basically attributed it to the act of cuckolding creating a more arousing stimulus in the brain than normal sex because it signals a man’s sex drive that it needs to be ready to compete with other sperm. And that to witness the actual act gives the man with the fetish a super-aroused state.

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  20. on March 19, 2014 at 2:13 pm Uncle Elmer

    In 1973 my mom bought me a pair of plush purple bell bottoms from the thrift store. Damn the chicks loved those pants until they went high water, which happened about every 3 months until I peaked at 75 inches.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 2:28 pm whorefinder

      So what was it like when you first got electricity, grandpa?

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 2:32 pm Greg Eliot

        Stay off my lawn.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:43 pm Uncle Elmer

        We had 8-tracks back then. Mass-market personal computers had not been invented.A good way to talk with a chick was to call her from a convenience store payphone while you sat in your “GTO”. The braless look, halter tops, and hotpants were all the rage. Larry Flynt ran a local strip club, and a girl from my high school was a centerfold in his budding “Hustler” magazine. She had asked me several times to come to her house but being an extreme beta, I stupidly declined, only to feel the sting of lost opportunity when a friend whipped out the centerfold. Damn she was hot.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 6:54 pm Zombie Shane

        > “The braless look, halter tops, and hotpants were all the rage.”

        Fucking A.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 2:16 pm Subarctic Hillbilly

        She was a sexy little minx for a carpet muncher. And Robbie Robertson? His look would work great today.

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  21. on March 19, 2014 at 2:18 pm Ronin

    Peacocking is a great item-of-interest opener. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been opened in-part b/c of a cool shirt or jacket.

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  22. on March 19, 2014 at 2:27 pm whorefinder

    Bottom line: you have to both own your look and stick out from the crowd.

    This is why insulting/negging the random black “playa” at the non-black bar works wonders. Kneegroes are so massively insecure (and unprepared these days, thanks to SWPL p.c. protect-the-black-ego-at-all-costs posturing) that even a minor putdown will cause a slouched appearance, downward looking eyes, and a hushed voice. That makes their uniqueness–their peacocking–irrelevant.

    Thwack masta p rape!

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 7:19 pm Grizzly

      “you have to both own your look and stick out from the crowd”

      Exactly. Where I live, most of the men who are competing for the chicks I go after (early 20s) are either metrosexuals, hipsters, or generic Southern California shorts-n-shirts types. I hit on a style that works for me after seeing pictures of my grandpa and his brothers from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. Jeans that fit correctly–not too loose and not too tight, heavy brown or black shoes, and correctly-fitting button-down shirt tucked in with the sleeves rolled up to the elbows, and I shave my head. Since I’ve been lifting for 15 years, I have a really big chest and arms which completely fill out the shirt. This look works on the petite ultra-feminine girls, which are the ones I want. Its macho in a sea of preening effeminate dweebs.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:39 am Rick250

        On a side note its a really good idea to get shirts tailored. If you are a big guy or fit and tall with muscular long arms you will need xlarge or xxlarge shirts. The arms, neck and chest will fit but the waist will shoot out like a tent. So taking them to a tailor to alter that part is money very well spent.
        One company, amercan eagle, sells a ‘tall large’ which fits tall fit guys very well.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:17 am Rick250

        Dressed up casual wear suggestion:

        Fairly tight fitting baby blue cashmire sweater with sleeves rolled up.
        Jet black high quality dress trousers and nice black belt
        Expensive black dress shoes.
        Nice watch, ring, and maybe a low key gold chain.

        They may not come running just as fast as they can…
        but every girl crazy bout a sharp dressed man.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:42 am Tilikum

        Ya

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:59 pm corvinus

      If most black dudes weren’t betas, their women wouldn’t be so horrid.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 9:53 pm whorefinder

        Exactly. Everything they do is a shuck-and-jive front.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:02 pm thwack

        you two should get a room.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:03 pm whorefinder

        We did…with your mom.

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  23. on March 19, 2014 at 2:53 pm YaReally

    Usual Mystery disclaimer for any haters:

    Mystery’s goal was to pick up strippers, bartenders, and the crazy peacocked up chicks partying in Hollywood/Vegas nightclubs that other guys just stare at from afar. So his level of peacocking was meant for those girls, not the plain jane 6 at your local pub where it would be overkill.

    Did he get them all the time? No. Did he look weird going out like that to a lot of people/girls? Ya. Doesn’t matter, his intent was going for the peacocked girls where his level of peacocking put him on their radar where Bob from accounting in a button-down is invisible.

    The usual Mystery vid for the haters:

    And one last note: Science now backs up all the shit he taught everyone…but he didn’t have a room full of scientists and shit to safely gather the results. He went out night after night in tough cities like snowy Toronto and pretentious L.A. and put himself out there, for public ridicule, slowly narrowing down the keys to all this. Nobody hating on him would EVER have the balls to put themselves out there the way he did, just to gather knowledge to then share with other men. I know a shit-ton of guys who won’t even go out dressed NORMAL and approach girls because they’re terrified of social pressure and judgement. Dude was ballsy as fuck.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm diablox

      where is he now?

      oh yeah, that’s right. can’t peacock your way out of your “internal game” or “frame” of being a punk bitch.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:17 pm Scray

        lol wat’s wrong with that pic? He’s got a (from the pic at least) good looking girl and a kid. Ya wat a faggot, I guess.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 3:46 pm Mr. Roach

        Looks like a nightmare life he’s living!!

        haha You guys sound like idiots some times. Landing that piece of ass at 40 years old, with or without your own kid you just had with her, is hardly a failure.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:00 pm FuriousFerret

        You do understand that the role that society wants Mystery and Tyler Durden to play is ‘Comic Book Guy’ and have a partner count of about two with him ultimately saddled with a 300 pound land whale for the rest of his life.

        I would say that Mystery is doing pretty well for himself.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:25 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        Punk bitch? Hardly looks like that to me … Dude’s an innovator.

        A feather boa baby sling could be the next big accessory for day-gamers.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:36 pm YaReally

        Irrelevant (and not the worst fate if you ARE a dude who wants to settle down with a wife hotter than most 40+yo guys have and raise a kid).

        He could go out and suck a bunch of dicks and it wouldn’t change the face that he’s seen more and hotter pussy than you will in your life, and has contributed more to the benefit of men and getting men laid than you could ever hope to.

        But keep throwing those stones lol we’re all waiting to see your video montage. 🙂

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 4:53 pm Hunter

        My goal is pretty much the model hoes. Don’t care how long it takes.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:38 pm YaReally

        “Don’t care how long it takes.”

        That’s why you’ll get them one day, while other guys make excuses for their lack of success. 🙂

        Have fun this weekend! Any girl who didn’t get laid for St. Patty’s is on the prowl to make up for it lol

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 6:42 pm Hunter

        Thanks, man, will do! Appreciate the vids 🙂

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:50 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Most people would draw some benefits from accepting the nonexistence of perfect methods or of ideal goals and I regret taking until my mid 20s to figure this out, but from watching a lot of guys in the community speak, it took them until their 30s. I don’t want to piss out the rest of my 20s and settle down like most of my friends are doing, so it’s time to change the trajectories of life on all fronts.

        You’re one of the few people around here whose comments are worth reading.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 5:45 pm Scray

        You will get there….currently talking to a model and two strippers. This is real life. This is happening. We’re all gonna make it, brah.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:24 pm Hunter

        oh shit lololol go Scray

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:43 pm diablox

        way to refute my points with straw man arguments once again, you RSD shill

        the point was, like the rest of your idols, the guy was beta to the CORE. all the mimicry in the world doesn’t change the fact he wifed a cumdump who smokes squares in front of her bastard while he pushes the stroller

        enjoy the boa’s tyler tickles your balls with i guess

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 9:20 pm YaReally

        Again, irrelevant. What he does now or where he ended up doesn’t change the validity of the knowledge he taught. The first guy to figure out lifting heavy things made your muscles grow probably didn’t end up looking like Bruce Lee or Schwartzeneger. He started the knowledge and people passed it down through generations and improved on it.

        You’re too caught up in your jealousy-boner to realize how silly you look. Brb an athlete became fat and out of shape so his game-winning touchdowns and all the football strategy he taught other players to win hundreds of games is no longer relevant.

        I tried recording a video but my camera couldn’t zoom out far enough to capture all of your mom.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:25 pm diablox

        the fuck is a jealousy-boner dude? quit thinking about my unit

        brb athletics is known to be impermanent, philosophy or dogma (at least through one’s lifetime) should remain consistent, particularly if you’ve charged money for it

        until you post some “video montages” you’re still fraudin by your own professed player standard, jokes aside.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:44 pm YaReally

        “philosophy or dogma (at least through one’s lifetime) should remain consistent”

        He was basically the first go at it. Back when he was doing his shit there wasn’t much focus on internal game. These days PUAs are taught to handle their internal shit to avoid ending up with just an alpha coating over a beta interior.

        That’s why I say you’re man-crush on Mystery’s love songs is irrelevant. He started something that we’ve improved on, but wouldn’t be improving on if it weren’t for his hard work and personal sacrifice.

        “until you post some “video montages” you’re still fraudin by your own professed player standard, jokes aside.”

        You’re the one talking smack about the guy who basically created mainstream pickup so the onus is on you to show us your results are better than his so that we know why we should give a shit what you’re saying. Except you can’t show us your results are better, because they aren’t, you don’t have to pussyfoot around trying to deflect it, we can all tell lol

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm Scray

        ‘ philosophy or dogma (at least through one’s lifetime) should remain consistent, particularly if you’ve charged money for it’

        more talking out of your ass. even philosophers change their outlook over time. your entire point is nonsense.

        This is just a troll.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 2:05 pm diablox

        stop with the “lol” all the goddamn time, are you a 12 y/o gash w/ her first flip phone?

        i agree that the dude came up with some good tricks. but they were largely tricks to cover up his own insecurities by playing up his personal assets (magick, ensuing flamboyant attire). thats why all the proto-PUA clones crashed and burned, because the only one who could pull off boas and furry hats was his goofy ass.

        the main point was that take his shit with a giant grain of salt, because the guy was a raving lunatic even at the pinnacle of his successes.
        does it really matter if you bang out club hoze if you lose your mind every time you’re alone with your thoughts because you’ve never bothered to work on yourself?

        i could care less about posting “results”. why? because i am not trying to SELL ANYTHING. the only thing i’m promoting is THINK FOR YOUR DAMN SELF. just compare notes on sloots, have a good time.

        the minute i start trying to shill a bootcamp or wing-for-hire for several Gs you can ask for proof by all means

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      • on March 22, 2014 at 2:46 pm YaReally

        @diablox
        “stop with the “lol” all the goddamn time, are you a 12 y/o gash w/ her first flip phone? ”

        lol I might steal that one.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:28 am Arbiter

        Wow, that’s idiotic. You mock a man for having a wife and children? Talk about social reject.

        You declare that she is a “cumdump” without knowing anything about her – fuck off, loser. You have that typical bitter, hateful attitude of freaks who women won’t go near. Typical omega.

        Why wouldn’t a man be able to push his own child in a stroller? So you show one picture of that as your way to attack a man. Congrats, you have proven you know nothing about the social life normal people live.

        By the way, “beta” doesn’t mean what you think it means. A loser is called an omega, not a beta. Beta is almost every man, it is simply the PUA and manosphere word for men who don’t know game, which is the vast majority. Among these are entrepreneurs, professional athletes, generals, leaders. And “alpha” simply means someone who knows game, which doesn’t necessarily mean success in other fields.

        Mystery a beta? LOL The man wrote the book on game – literally. He is one of few who could actually make a living on teaching game. He is one of the top inventors of game theory, and he has backed it up by showing his own success in the field. To call him beta is like calling Steve Jobs a bad businessman.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:45 pm diablox

        where are YOUR video montages, btw, yareally?

        as you seem to think this is the metric of keeping shit real, i’d imagine you have a backlog bigger than the archive of your bullshit advice

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 10:09 pm immoralgables

        Diablox:

        Please come back with some field reports or real-life experience of aiming for hotties “out of your league” lol.

        And man, if you can’t appreciate the fact that Mystery went from a depressed gangly loser to a guy who has tapped more hot ass than you ever will…

        Or shit, how about Tyler, his genes were headed for extinction but now he does more in one weekend than you and 99% manosphere neckbeards do in 6 months lol. Srsly

        And shit, go to a RSD Free Tour sometime…you got normal American men waiting in line to hear Tyler and his crew speak. Think about that, you shill

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:46 am Tilikum

        Sycophants aren’t players, homes

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 8:51 am Anonymous

        @Tilikum

        Step away from the keyboard sometime homie

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm diablox

        Yeah, keep posting up in the train station for 8+ hours to see if you can get some “HB 8.5” to want a sniff of your failure gook genetics.

        The point is THE DUDE WAS STILL A DEPRESSED GANGLY LOSER after all the furry hat shilling.
        He never learned to be happy with his own shit, as evidenced by the numerous psychological lapses in the Neil Strauss account of your playboy gods

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:56 pm diablox

      yeah he does have balls to put himself out there

      i give, y’all fucking win. if these are your ideas of the men you aspire to be then have at it.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:44 am Arbiter

        diablo, all you have is a picture of Mystery pushing his kid in a stroller, while on a walk with his wife who is far hotter than anything you’ll come near – probably that’s what makes you bitter. And you have a video of Mystery singing, so? For an amateur singer that’s pretty good. Even if it would have been a bad song, there is no human being who hasn’t done embarrassing things.

        Maybe your point is that he sings a love song? And you think that makes him a loser? Oh boy. You really have no part in normal human society. And as CH points out, badass men can get away with crooning love songs in public without sounding soft because they have proven themselves many times over. Showing calculated softness then simply becomes a good complement, and is actually something taught in game.

        [CH: Hater Logic Traps 101:

        “PUAs are losers because they’re childless. Alphas build family empires.”

        “PUAs are losers because they have kids. Alphas are childless who aren’t chained by family duties.”

        You really can’t debate this class of hater. Their blocklike skulls are useless for anything but mockery target practice.]

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:13 pm diablox

        you’re projecting because you’re a family man from what i’ve discerned (or at least heavy pro-civ) and maybe you don’t like the parallels.
        it isn’t an ad hominen against family life but i mean, all the gameboy shit to end up with a woman who smokes in front of her newborn? WTF you think she did while pregged? maybe it has something to do with a willingness to sing sappy terrible songs on youtube because ignorance is bliss.

        re: CH; I’m surprised you didn’t just go with “ownage” this time. nice false dichotomy to summarize my point.

        everybody likes to swing e-alpha dick but its surprising how much your chode feathers get ruffled when i offer a counterpoint to your golden calves of easy poon.

        protip: its easy either way if you develop self-confidence or parrot lines from socially maladjusted wallet-raiders.

        one enables you to respect yourself, the other teaches you to respect people who want to exploit you

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:34 pm immoralgables

        Damn, we got your chode ass riled up didnt we.

        Player hatin from the sidelines is all you do. Projecting your own insecurities onto Mystery; I doubt your bitchass could take 10 rejections without being bitter.

        But seriously, we are still waiting on your video montage or at least one enlightening field report….

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:19 pm diablox

        the only point I was trying to make here was that you shouldn’t blindly venerate motherfuckers that see you as a dollar sign. usually, these guys will be more fucked up than you think you are and on a deeper level. they typically don’t even care if you succeed or not, just that you fork over cream.

        why the fuck would you even still post here as a minority? did you miss the article where CH through up a noose for non-whitey or do you respect the circle jerk of “field reports” more than your phenotype?

        i came here for realtalk ™, crack some jokes and to encourage other dudes in the struggle to develop their own spine.
        had i known this was mostly a front to regurgitate the collective spergout of owen cook, i wouldn’t have bothered.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:52 pm Scray

        ‘to end up with a woman who smokes in front of her newborn?’

        Get a grip, Opie. You’re practically radiating sexual repression.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:49 pm Scray

        ‘the only point I was trying to make here was that you shouldn’t blindly venerate motherfuckers that see you as a dollar sign. ‘

        No one did that.

        ‘why the fuck would you even still post here as a minority?’

        For all the bellyaching against minorities here, it’s probably one of the best places for any minority male to learn how to get laid. So it’s easy to tune out boo-hooing about mudsharks and corrupted white twats while tuning in on how to score.

        ‘had i known this was mostly a front to regurgitate the collective spergout of owen cook’

        I don’t even kno what the fuck your point is lol. You posted a pic of Mystery with gf and kid, then a vid of him singing, and then you said that ‘fakery’ won’t make up for a lack of inner game. Fine, if that’s your point…then lol, what’s the beef with Owen Cook — who ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY deals with inner game. And your entire point essentially is a regurgitation of the inner game stuff Owen Cook states. Lol, ya you’re just a troll. So tight.

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  24. on March 19, 2014 at 3:11 pm fakeemail

    Long story short: Peacocking only works if you’re able to maintain congruency. Otherwise, you look even more pathetic than you would as random beta wearing ill-fitting pants.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 6:48 pm no

      …but you’ll still get more attention..court attention at all costs…

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  25. on March 19, 2014 at 3:23 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    For peacocking prop I’ve heard that male bracelets (‘friendship bracelets’) also work for some [non-homo] guys.

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  26. on March 19, 2014 at 3:35 pm Cleopatra

    I don’t know why but peacocking always makes me think of A Night at the Roxbury ❤

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:12 pm whorefinder

      You know what else does? Domestic abuse.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:44 pm Naz

        Wait, what?!…..not rape?

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 9:54 pm whorefinder

        A curve ball for y’all.

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 11:24 pm Cleopatra

        Great movie, isn’t it? Shame they don’t get married.

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  27. on March 19, 2014 at 3:59 pm pulsotic

    It’s amazing the effect that difference in dress has on women. When I bum it I get no attention. When I peacock I get tons of unprovoked invites and women opening me.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm little spoon

      Opposite for me, BTW. When I dress up I get less attention than when I do nothing- wear little to no makeup, old clothes etc. I’ve noticed this since I was a teenager. I have no idea why, but I get a lot less attention from men when I dress up even though I am told I put on make up really well.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 7:39 am RappaccinisDaughter

        It all depends on what all the other chicks are doing. Discovered this one by accident: The best way to get all kinds of mad attention in a Vegas nightclub is to wear a sober, nun-gray cocktail dress that covers you from collarbone to knees. True story.

        Maybe it was just because I was the only one there who didn’t look like she was available to rent by the hour, I don’t know.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:47 am Amy

        That’s awesome. I’m so down to try that next time I go to Vegas. Did you have trouble getting in?

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:58 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Not at all, although I’d thought I would. I was dressed for a business dinner and wanted to go back to my room to change, but my friends were all “bla bla, you’re fine, you’re a girl, they won’t care” and sure enough…not only did they let me right in, they didn’t even charge me a cover. And it wasn’t especially early, and the place was FULL of women. Hot women, serious jaw-droppers, wearing six cubic inches of spangles each.

        And yet I couldn’t pay for my own drink to save my life, and I usually prefer to buy my own drinks. I got MOBBED. It was crazy.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:31 am thwack

        is it made of stretchy form fitting material like knit?

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:01 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Bias-cut silk charmeuse.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 11:34 am YaReally

        “Maybe it was just because I was the only one there who didn’t look like she was available to rent by the hour, I don’t know.”

        This, esp in Vegas. Plus you blatantly stand out as a fish out of water being dressed down, which means you’re probably a tourist, which means you’re probably easy/DTF because you’re on vacation, which means more guys are going to hit on you because they figure you’re the sure bet. Same way hookers target the guy who looks like a fish out of water because they know he’s more likely to hire them because he’s a tourist spending vacation money.

        Plus what Charlie said, tho personally I’d be more likely to approach the dolled up girl than the plain one, but I’m a PUA so it’s not outside of my reality to get the dolled up girl. An average AFC random Joe would go for the more plain girl because he can actually visualize himself getting/deserving her.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja


        I doubt this is how the Nash equilibrium was discovered, but that woman surely deserved the ‘thank you’ if it’s how it happened. I’d thank anyone who’d inspire me to write a 20-30 page PhD dissertation instead of a 300 page one and get me a Nobel prize in the process.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:09 am Charlie Dont Surf

        Says your style of dress makes you appear unapproachable.

        Approachable:

        Unapproachable:

        IMO. As a visual creature.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 6:17 pm little spoon

        I get a lot of attention from Indian guys when I dress traditional.

        That’s such a bad pic of Aish. Ode to the days when she was so pretty:

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 6:30 pm little spoon

        Actually, no, watch this movie scene. You can put it on mute, but I’m sayin- the whole thing is worth watching. I’ve seen way too many movies with Aish, and I think this is her on one of her best days-

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      • on March 21, 2014 at 7:45 pm Charlie Dont Surf

        The prints are hard on the eyes – but, there’s a bohemian quality to traditional Indian dress that I like.

        In terms of approachability – Pale green cashmere sweater, bangles, black skirt and leather calf boots. Combined with your skin tone and long hair … you’ll get all sorts of attention.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 12:48 am Tilikum

      Clearly it’s the assess chaps, Phillip.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 11:27 am pulsotic

        You may be onto something

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  28. on March 19, 2014 at 4:05 pm pulsotic

    OT: I posted a question here on the “Top five signs that a woman is using you” post.

    “That raises an interesting point. What’s the best method to get a woman who’s waiting until marriage to have sex to abandon her Christian beliefs and have sex.”

    I figured it out and wrote it up on my blog if anyone’s interested. It’s too long for here. Please check your morals before reading.

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  29. on March 19, 2014 at 4:06 pm Libertardian

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-19/how-not-to-negotiate-your-next-job

    Summary: would-be philosophy teacher demands $65K to take 2.5 of the next 8 years off, doesn’t get the job, her only alternative is a nude pigshit wrestling contest with Belle Knox, and the world of academia abruptly abandons 50 years of left-wing lunacy to join the war on women.

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  30. on March 19, 2014 at 4:38 pm Chris from Dublin

    Peacocking requires absolute iron nerve – any sign of weakness or flinching and you’re dead.
    It compares, believe it or not, to farting in public. If a man who farts in public giggles, blushes, says “excuse me” or anything else, he is socially dead in an instant. The trick is to lift a cheek of the ass, fart, resume the prior position and continue as if nothing has happened.

    Could public farting be considered a form of effective peacocking?

    Earlier on in the post it says that if anyone looks askance at the peacocking man, it’s their problem and not his.

    Same with public farting.

    When a man farts brazenly in public and then just carried on as normal he puts the burden on the other person or people to say something – and they never will because they’re always far too embarrassed.
    In the very off chance that someone does comment, the man stares them out of it and responds with something like “so?” or “and?” or, if they really challenge him, “it’s a totally normal body function, grow up, it’s a problem with you not me, I’d have thought more of you than such an immature response” and similar, to bully and shame anyone who objects.

    Both situations need the same mindset – utter brazenness.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:42 pm Harland

      “I should like that one of these days to be so well known, so popular, so celebrated, so famous, that it would permit me to break wind in society and society would think it a most natural thing.”

      — Balzac (1799-1850)

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 11:21 pm Libertardian

      The ultimate test is to maintain frame after a four-octave shart.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:54 am Randy the Random

        Comment of the year. I’m in tears,

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  31. on March 19, 2014 at 5:29 pm burke

    this is a pretty good read, a lot of fun quotes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2584496/Nikki-Ferrells-ex-shocked-puts-Bachelor-Juan-Pablo.html

    The ex, who dated the Bachelor winner for a year before their July 2013 split, added: ‘The Nikki I know would have slapped him and walked out.’ lol

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 10:57 am They are Possessions

      “A source told UsWeekly that women tend to change once they fall into the arms of the good-looking former soccer star.

      ‘Girls who date Juan do what he wants,’ the insider said. ‘He picks the restaurant, he picks the places you travel. Nikki seems happy to go along.'”

      Hamster truth. She knows her “opinions” suck. Blow out her frame and own her.

      “Brainwashed” by alpha = blowjob heaven.

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  32. on March 19, 2014 at 5:51 pm Uncle Elmer

    Frankly most guys dress so poorly that a pair of gabardines, clean, polished shoes and matching belt, topped with an executive-style hairdo and a Bill Blass classic sportscoat is killer Older Man Peacocking. Have had countless young ladies drool at me while their otherwise serviceable young boyfriends slouch nearby in cargo pants and stupid-ass tshirt.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 7:27 pm FuriousFerret

      What no advice about ballroom dancing and dressing in zoot suits?

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      • on March 19, 2014 at 8:56 pm Uncle Elmer

        Ah those days of repeating Ballroom Dance 101 at the local university. It was like swimming naked with mermaids.

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  33. on March 19, 2014 at 6:16 pm YaReally

    Another note on peacocking:

    I spent a few years running high-end club game where my buddies and I knew bouncers by name and could skip lines/cover/etc. ahead of groups of hot girls with just a handshake.

    The dress codes that everyone worries about are basically just to keep out losers. They give the bouncer a free pass to turn you and/or your group down citing “dress code, sorry” if they just don’t like you. If you’re a group of non-white dudes, or your buddy is too drunk, or someone in your group gives off disrespectful vibes, or you’re a group of sausages trying to get into a hot place on a busy night and have no girls with you, etc. etc., the bouncer can instantly shut you all down and cite “you’re wearing sneakers, sorry.” or “sorry, dress-shirts required.” And if you get up in the bouncer’s face, you’re def not getting in easily if at all, but if you give a respectful “ah shit, my bad, I didn’t realize there was a dress code” they have complete authority to go “go on in, just remember for next time”.

    While that’s all going on, the “cool” guys will walk right past you in line, wearing sneakers, t-shirts, ball-caps, you name it. Most of that shit, dress codes, paying for drinks, tickets to events (they have STACKS of them upstairs in a back room, they can hand you 20 of them with no fucks given) etc. is for the lower-value masses. When you’re high-value in those enviros the “rules” don’t apply to you anymore.

    Remember this when you’re worried about not being able to get in because you didn’t realize you were going to the bar that night and you have your white sneakers…get yourself into a good social upbeat fun state and joke around in the line-up, flirt with some girls in line, big ol’ smile for the bouncer and treat him with respect, ask him how the night’s going or make a joke about drunk chicks, be respectful and polite if he mentions your shoes, and you’re probably going to get in with no problems. When my friends worry about dress codes I just say “it’s fine, dress codes are for ugly people.” lol

    So to relate this to the OP, the exact effect that that scientific study is talking about happens: Girls see the guy in the t-shirt and sneakers (looking comfortable with himself and at ease in the environment, of course) among all the guys in button-downs and blazers, and they go “who’s THAT guy? How come they let HIM in?? He must be important?” And when they see that same guy shake hands and joke around with the bartender, it’s pretty much game over. Throw in a “shit, you girls look good tonight. You’re makin’ me feel under-dressed…I look like a bum tonight, you shouldn’t even hang around me.” push/pull that gets those girls giggling and telling you “nooo you look good!! These suit guys are lame!” as you lock-in so it looks like those girls are hitting on you and all the OTHER girls around now see a group of dolled up girls smiling laughing and hitting on the guy in the $10 plain t-shirt while the guys in the $1000 blazer becomes invisible to those girls and, well, you’re pretty much fishing with dynamite lol

    ahhh, I miss those days. I moved and now I’m in a more pub/bar-oriented scene now where everyone is dressed down. Having to run a lot more group theory and solo game here, but it’s fun to dust off some old skillsets.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 1:17 am Tilikum

      Yep rules are for poor people And it helps to define what “poor” really means.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 8:24 am YaReally

        And for the sperg seats: “poor” doesn’t mean financially poor, it means socially/game-lacking. I was probably one of the poorest guys in those venues (guys would regularly pull out literal wads of $100s to pay for drinks, lot of doctors lawyers iBankers etc)…but I was able to wear t-shirts and sneakers because give me 20-min to chat with a bartender on a slow night and I’ll have him feeling like we’ve known eachother for years.

        People value the emotions you make them feel…it’s easier to buy your way in but as I used to put it with my buddies: “sure they RECOGNIZE those guys, but they actually LIKE us.” Learning to build a human connection (aka comfort/rapport, aka Juggler game) is a skill that opens a lot of doors in life.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:35 pm Tilikum

        ….and as a side note, some girls like to just feel. doesn’t have to be good or bad.

        these are your typical heavy weed smokers.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 1:28 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I always thought that only loser idiots would stay in those lines for hours in front of clubs. What kind of person would sit in line to pay for overpriced drinks? This only happens here at big raves where there’s such a big inflow of people that they are swamped.

      Bouncers are really funny people, from my experience. I once went to a club by myself and there was a corporate party there, so I stood out by wearing a simple button down shirt and jeans while the other guys were wearing suit trousers and dress shirts. I went in early because I was bored, so I did talk to the female bartenders until it got crowded and I recall joking around with the bouncer a couple of times, including before I left, but I was so drunk I don’t remember much of what was said. My conclusion is that free drinks aren’t conducive to getting laid and I’m still surprised how much alcohol made me unable to close(one of the girls I was dancing with was pulling my shirt up to see my abs and asked me to dance with her on the bar, so I am positive I could have banged her).

      To sum it up:
      1)don’t overdo drinking
      2)corporate parties are fun because the men attending are usually boring. I was one of a couple of guys dancing and there were over ten girls willing to dance. Considering most guys disqualified themselves, we had an effective ratio of men to women of 1:3 or 1:4. lol

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  34. on March 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm no

    ….hmmm..maybe this is why when I yell FUCK THE POLICE in public the females always look horny..or may everybody just hates the police…

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  35. on March 19, 2014 at 6:58 pm TJ

    In one of his in-field videos a chick says to him, “I think your hat looks stupid.” Mystery replies, “No you don’t. You’re attracted to me.”

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  36. on March 19, 2014 at 7:05 pm Debo

    That mystery guy just plain looks retarded. I would rather never get laid ever than look half as ridiculous as him. Personal opinion, whatever.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:44 pm Harland

      I pity your position, brother. You should really re-think things. Start thinking “if it’s ridiculous then it’s probably true” and you’ll be on the right track.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 1:18 am Tilikum

      That’s why u lose

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  37. on March 19, 2014 at 7:25 pm Dog king

    I wear black and hold yin and yang stud earrings. Chicks dig yin and yang lol. they never fail to spark conversation. Other than that my outfit is pretty normal. Fitted of course.

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  38. on March 19, 2014 at 7:29 pm tz2026

    Ho Ho Ho Green Giant. Frozen food. Peas. Peacock….

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  39. on March 19, 2014 at 7:31 pm preston87

    I personally prefer a subtle form of peacocking, more or less quietly distinguishing myself from other guys. A lot of it I display on my wrists and hands – which women tend to notice quickly.

    One thing I do, for example, is wear a thin dark metal (tungsten) bracelet instead of a watch when I’m dressed for work or the club. It’s a small effect but I’ve gotten a lot of comments on it from girls, all positive – so they definitely notice even small things like that.

    Another thing I like to do is wear a thumb ring made of dark metal (again, tungsten). It’s a bit different, and some thing it has sexual undertones – I don’t really give a damn what exactly it’s supposed to mean, as long as it gets the hamster spinning. Kind of like an ambiguous version of wedding ring game.

    The key is subtlety – and to not look like pimp-wanna-be with a ring on each finger or a hipster with 8 hemp bracelets on each forearm.

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  40. on March 19, 2014 at 7:36 pm Max from aust

    Hitler was a master peacocker

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  41. on March 19, 2014 at 7:55 pm Locutus

    I recently moved to Southern California after having lived in the Northeast, Midwest, as well as in nearby Arizona.

    Here in California, you cannot tell amongst the locals who is gay and who is straight. Even middle aged, blue collar, straight men with families often look and act like queers. It is the norm here, as much in rich trendy West LA as in the downscale deep inland valleys.

    That’s something that you need to keep in mind regarding “peacocking”. IIRC, Mystery did most of his pioneering “work” in LA. What gets women’s attention here will probably just be seen as really gay and/or creepy anywhere else.

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:59 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      That’s a good point. I’ve noticed the same thing. When I first joined my present company I assumed (based on their appearance, behavior) that a few of my male colleagues were gay, only to find out they were straight and married with kids. Bizarre.

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 10:51 am Arbiter

      Cripes, what a place. Who doesn’t wish for the Big One to hit LA, eh? A lot of people would have to grow up real quick. It could be the best thing to happen to the state in a long time.

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  42. on March 19, 2014 at 7:59 pm Rum

    Viking longship = F1 Racing Hovercraft.
    Rest in Peace, Michael Fuelner.
    The memories of an old man are the deeds of a man in his prime…

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  43. on March 19, 2014 at 8:09 pm thwack

    Holster.

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  44. on March 19, 2014 at 8:11 pm whorefinder

    I peacock with my dick hanging out and a sock stuffed in my wallet.

    Rape!

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    • on March 19, 2014 at 8:59 pm Uncle Elmer

      The wallet. That bulge in men’s pants that all women of all ages are attracted to.

      Or the joke about the lifeguard. Dude asks him why he is surrounded by women. Lifeguard says “just drop a potato down your shorts”. Dude tries it but everyone laughs, so he asks the lifeguard what is the problem? Lifeguard says next time drop down the front of your shorts.

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  45. on March 19, 2014 at 8:30 pm Champagne and Cocaine

    First grew out a stache back when I was 22. Not a queer handlebar or pencil thin one but a solid bush. Tom Selleck style but a little wider. Similar to Don Mattingly in his prime. Combined it with some above-average length curly-as-fuck hair and a decent build. Females couldn’t stop looking.

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  46. on March 19, 2014 at 8:45 pm will

    This

    “He thrived on negative attention from women because he knew that it was simpler to attract an antagonistic woman than it was to attract an indifferent woman.”

    The quickest I ever went from meeting a chick to a lay was 5 hours, not that impressive to some of the gurus on here but what can you do. I’m kinda drunk after leaving a college football game at halftime and I’m back at my buddies town home watching another game. The weather is nice and we have the door open which leads straight to a sidewalk and these two chicks are walking towards the door. Had no idea one of these chicks was my buddies room mates girl, I kick the screen door shut as they walk in girl stumbles and starts laughing and says JERK in that sorority slut tone I just laugh.

    Ten minutes later, the game is close (it was when Manziel beat Alabama two years ago) the same girl is talking really loud to her friend on the couch and I say damn can’t you tell we are trying to listen to the game. Mind you none of this is “game tactics” and completely unplanned, at the time I didn’t know what “game” was. she apologizes, I say whatever. We decide to play flip cup, buddies roommate goes upstairs puking and this girl is getting in my face trying to fuck with me during my turn but she doesnt realize everytime it’s my turn I carry the cup so i always get in on first try usually making eye contact.

    Anyway we decide to go downtown and douche upstairs doesnt wanna go because he’s sick so us four go and I say great looks like we’re having a guys night out, to the two girls and she says i hate you. I say dont hate me cause im beautiful, leave downtown after an hour bang friends roomates girl on their couch, friend bangs other girl in his room. Then girl goes upstairs to friends roommates room for the rest of the night. I wake up, my friends driving me back to my place and tells me yeah that was his roommates girlfriend but shes cheated before. Well no shit, sluts gonna slut haha

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 10:49 am Arbiter

      Bragging time: the quickest for me was about three hours. I have also done it in four and five hours. But in between those times was a lot of hard work.

      “and I say great looks like we’re having a guys night out, to the two girls and she says I hate you”. That’s funny. B-)

      You cut it short though between leaving downtown and the couch action. Did you simply go for it when you came back to your buddy’s place?

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  47. on March 19, 2014 at 8:52 pm x

    So basically frame control

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  48. on March 19, 2014 at 8:56 pm Remnant

    “Peacocking should be framed as “This is totally normal. The problem is everyone else’s weirdness about it.””

    Appropos of this, Derb once wrote about an amazing “reframe” performed by Noel Coward on this basis: “The young Noël Coward once arrived at a literary event in full evening dress, only to find everyone else in street clothes. According to Coward’s biographer: “He paused long enough for the assembled intelligentsia to take in the full effect, then said: ‘Now I don’t want anybody to feel embarrassed.'””

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Straggler/022.html

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  49. on March 19, 2014 at 9:11 pm Rum

    Running 3rd in Flotsbro, Sweden – amongst my Viking Kin. 2008. That was good day.
    Sorry, but it is a Neanderthal thing. There is little too no POINT IN trying to EXPLAIN this>-.= if you are not the ones already there with your craft running and your doomed silly helmet on.

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  50. on March 19, 2014 at 10:09 pm Will

    Mystery kinda looks like a creeper emo dude who wears make-up. If he actually gets high SMV girls looking like that then maybe I’ll consider ‘peacocking’ every now and then. His earings are kinda gay too–are you emo?

    If anyone has better alternatives to peacocking other than looking like that shoot out some suggestions–cause that seems overboard maybe. CH mentioned a necklace but i’ve heard that’s hit or miss. shoes for sure. maybe a fedora for special occasions lol. but if you’re going to a bar that is a bold move…BUT then again it’s better to err on the side of too much boldness….hahah now i’m thinking mysterys look aint to bad….fuck

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 8:29 am Ryan Vann

      Yeah, don’t do that; only Hulk Hogan gets away with feather boas, and he still got manraped by his wife, and lost all his wealth. Just wear maybe one item that is a conversation piece. No fedora wearing

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 8:54 am Amy

      You can do it without looking gay. Just something that makes you stick out. When I met my bf we were at a club with a dress code and he had ratty jeans on and chuck taylors. With dog hair on his sweater, lol. Not really peacocking but point being he looked different than everyone else. He didn’t care about dressing up or looking good.

      [CH: So peacocking works.]

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 9:40 am Amy

        If peacocking is just wearing something that makes you stick out, yea it works. Girls like guys who don’t give a damn what they think.

        If peacocking means wearing effeminate clothes and makeup to get chicks to talk to you, yea that works too… to the extent you’re auditioning to be my gay boyfriend. I’ll hang out with anyone who’s fun. But it doesn’t mean I’m sexually attracted.

        So like I said, I’m sure he gets noticed and people end up liking him and thinking he’s cool and fun. I just don’t understand how he builds attraction.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:17 am YaReally

        @Amy
        “If peacocking is just wearing something that makes you stick out, yea it works.”

        Aaaaaaand this is why we didn’t let girls on PUA forums back in the day. What a fucking waste of people’s time/energy engaging you in discussion when you’re too retarded to actually learn wtf the terms you’re arguing about mean.

        Jesus lol Don’t you have a boyfriend to give you attention or something instead of us?

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 11:10 am Amy

        Ummmm genius. Here’s the definition from CH’s post:

        “Peacocking: the art of dressing ostentatiously to attract positive female attention.”

        Ostentatious: Characterized by vulgar or pretentious display; designed to impress or attract notice. Synonyms: flashy, gaudy.

        I’ll break it down for you: Dressing down because you don’t give a **** is the opposite of dressing in a vulgar and pretentious way. So it didn’t sound like peacocking to me, as it was defined above. That’s why I clarified the definition.

        Back to CH’s definition: I said above that dressing in a feather boa and earrings may be ostentatious, but it’s also feminine. So I questioned how peacocking by looking like a GIRL could work to generate sexual attraction.

        Do you understand now? Are you sober? Lol

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 12:36 pm YaReally

        “or attract notice.”

        There you go. Dressing down in an environment where other guys are dressed up is attracting notice. Or you could do some reading and read Mystery’s shit, the guy who coined the term for PUA purposes:

        http://www.venusianarts.com/team/mystery/

        “Peacocking – Dressing to stand out, or to have an item of clothing or an accessory that looks interesting, allowing the girl to comment on it if she is interested in starting a conversation with you.”

        “Dressing to stand out”

        Do you understand now? Are you sober? Lololololz

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:01 pm Amy

        Nice skim over the rest of the definition there, killer. Are you always this much of a pest? You’re like a little dog running after me and nipping at my heels. Lol

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      • on March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm YaReally

        “Nice skim over the rest of the definition there, killer.”

        …yes, because the word “or” means either set of words on both sides of the word “or” applies. If someone says “you could go fishing or swimming”, if you choose to go swimming, that does not mean that you are fishing. That’s how the English language uses.

        When you run around saying “he has a pole and bait in his hand, that’s not swimming!!! This is stoooopid!!! When I swim, I’m in the water swinging my arms!!! You guys don’t know what you’re talking about!!”, and someone says “uhhh, we’re talking about fishing, the definition is fishing or swimming” and you go “WAY TO IGNORE TEH REST OF THE OPTIONSSSS!!!!”, you are an idiot.

        Are you ESL or what? lol

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      • on March 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm YaReally

        “That’s how the English language uses.”

        lol

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      • on March 21, 2014 at 1:46 pm yeahokcool

        That’s how the English language uses!!!! haha love it

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:10 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        ” What a fucking waste of people’s time/energy engaging you in discussion when you’re too retarded to actually learn wtf the terms you’re arguing about mean.”
        C’mon, the best use of a man’s time is arguing semantics on the Internet. I was talking to a Swedish girl about how a large part of Swedes are liars, so they should expect their politicians to be liars too and my argument was that people usually promise that they will stick with their spouse through bad times too, but the divorce rate in Sweden is an indicative of the opposite happening and she said that this isn’t lying, maybe the people meant their vows when they made them. She kept arguing for why it’s not lying, just like Amy is arguing that dressing down when you’re expected to wear a suit isn’t peacocking.

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm Amy

        No, I’m arguing that dressing down when you’re expected to wear a suit isn’t ostentatious.

        Don’t worry about YaReally’s time. He likes to butt in and engage me, just to tell me I’m a waste of his time. Lol

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      • on March 20, 2014 at 10:06 am YaReally

        “Not really peacocking but point being he looked different than everyone else.”

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  51. on March 20, 2014 at 2:55 am The Final Word On Peacocking | Truth and contra...

    […] Peacocking — the art of dressing ostentatiously to attract positive female attention — has been a staple of game theory for a long time, ever since Mystery proved in-field that gaudy outfits were like flames to moths.  […]

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  52. on March 20, 2014 at 3:51 am Anonymous

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/offbeat/a/22074078/dad-finds-out-son-not-his-after-21-years/

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm Just Saying

      Haven’t men caught on to DNA tests yet? Jeez… Over the years I’ve knocked up more than my share of women who pass it off as being their hubby’s or boyfriends… It never ceases to amaze me that men to not verify. It would be the very first thing I would demand – a DNA test “just to be sure”.

      More men should do that – I suspect that the results would be surprising since women are *very* good about lying about this. It’s in their best interest to get some sap who will foot all the bills. Of course, in some states it doesn’t matter if the child is yours or not, if you’re married, you’re on the hook….

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  53. on March 20, 2014 at 4:54 am Put Down Artist

    I hate to say it but I look at the feature image and what I think is ‘homo’. You want to see peacocking, check out a gay bar. In fact, metro-sexualism is in many ways peacocking and if you want to stand out you can just go for a regular I don’t really give a fuck man look. Dressing up like a dandy just to impress women seems pretty beta to me. Dress up in a manbag with cockshells on your cowboy hat and you’re going to get pegged by a Womyn’s Studies PHD before she makes you suck off her hypermegalic clit.

    This plays into a sneaking suspicion I have that obsessing over poon counts as some PUAs do is overcompensation for latent homosexuality.

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  54. on March 20, 2014 at 4:55 am Put Down Artist

    I’d add that this here dandy is definitely wearing makeup. Why not just go out in a pink tutu with a feather boa stuffed up his ass. That’ll work.

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  55. on March 20, 2014 at 6:04 am Arbiter

    I have to agree with Put Down Artist’s skepticism. However, Mystery Man says he got more women that way. Well. “Kids, don’t try this at home” might apply here: it works for some, and that’s good for them, but 99 percent or more of men wouldn’t make it work. You would have to have the right intelligence (MM clearly is intelligent, I would never say otherwise), personality, courage and looks, and then find the right brazen style. As for the kind of peacocking MM did, I simply wouldn’t want to look like that, even if it did get me women. Also, picking up strippers in Vegas is a bit different from picking up the average gal in the average town where most readers live.

    I think Heartiste points out all this too, simply with the emphasis on different things. All in all it is a good summary.

    The best general advice for men who want to improve the way they look in women’s eyes remains to work out and bulk up. And get your body fat down to 10 percent or less – which MM clearly did.

    [CH: Generally speaking, men can reap benefits from peacocking without taking it to the outer limits like Mystery does.]

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    • on March 20, 2014 at 11:05 am Arbiter

      Wrote “MM” there because I was thinking “Mystery Method”…but of course that’s not his name. Oh well.

      [CH: Generally speaking, men can reap benefits from peacocking without taking it to the outer limits like Mystery does.]

      True. I often wear a silver chain with Thor’s hammer. Now that I think of it, you could call that peacocking. But it only works on a muscular chest.

      [CH: It would work on any chest, as long as the man wearing it was confident in his accoutrement choice. Of course, a muscular chest helps.]

      There was a guy I used to know who lifted weights, and who had shoulder-length blond hair and a short-trimmed full beard. Women noticed him everywhere. He had his niche and apparently it worked, there were always women who wanted to sleep with a guy who looked like a Viking just to have done so.

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  56. on March 20, 2014 at 11:40 am CarpeOro

    ”
    Pedestrians were more likely to think that a well-dressed individual was more likely to have the money to buy something in the store. Shop assistants thought the opposite. Those more familiar with the luxury retail environment were more likely to assume that a gym-clothes-wearing client was confident enough to not need to dress up more, and therefore more apt to be a celebrity making a purchase than someone wrapped in fur.”

    Yeah, my wife proves this point all the time. She dresses well, has some name brand stuff and is a latina. Goes into stores and gets frustrated by the inattention she gets from sales people. On the extremely rare occassion I happen to be along, dressed more casually (jeans, a short sleeved polo, old leather jacket, etc.) and not caring, she gets noticed far more quickly.

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  57. on March 20, 2014 at 12:48 pm Just Saying

    A friend, that I’ll call Jed, was the master of this – I remember once on the El we were coming back from a party in Chicago and we’re both a little loopy and he yells out to everyone on the train, “Know how you jerk off an elephant?” He asked a couple of the cutest women and they just giggled, then he forms a loop with his arms and starts running up and down along the length of the train and stops and throws the rest of the beer into his mouth with a flourish then looks at the women and says, “And that’s how it’s done!”

    There were more than a few people that lost it and cracked up. So he head back to the groups of women and plops down in the middle of them and starts chatting them up.

    The women came home with us – I would have said no way, but when you’re that over the top you are excused from almost everything when it comes to what women mostly expect men to do or say. I’m a pretty outgoing guy, but he had it to an art-form. I once asked him his percentages and he said something like, “I hit on several hundred women in a night – the odds are always with me, and I always go home with a new one, so it’s 100% in my book.” And most of them weren’t half bad…

    Learned a lot from Jed… Quite the character… I was never comfortable with such a scatter-shot method, but Jed was a master.

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  58. on March 20, 2014 at 12:49 pm Mark

    I think peacocking should signal dominance to be effective. Lets use this article as a reference point
    http://psp.sagepub.com/content/37/3/365.abstract

    The above article lists three types of dominance: social, financial, and physical. The most well known type of peacocking is the one that selects for financial dominance. The guy with the expensive suit, rolex, etc.. Mystery focused on the type that selects for social dominance, the article that you referenced elaborates on that aspect as well. The person is signalling, I can wear sweatpants where all of you have to wear suits, or so what if I have these big goggles, I am confident and dominant enough to stand out. There is also the type that selects for physical dominance. This would be where males place attention or focus to their secondary sex characteristics. This is the bodybuilder who has a tattoos placed on areas of muscular development, the tattoo on the shoulder or upper arm is very common amongst muscular individuals.

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  59. on March 20, 2014 at 1:43 pm herbie

    I’m old school, and the idea that a guy needs to look homo to have game is just homo, to me. Sorry. It’s like saying you need to be flashy to get attention. Maybe great to pump and dump, but I was never one of those guys to begin with. 😦

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  60. on March 20, 2014 at 2:04 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    For some reason my comments disappear sometimes into the abyss. I had an university professor who was good at his job, but he also was arrogant and he wore ties or shirts that stood out with his suits, such as fuchsia colored shirts. He was funny and he was willing to listen if you qualified your concerns as pertinent. A lot of girls in my class had some sort of crush for him and he married a former student.

    I think being an university professor is a pretty good deal considering you have ample access to women in their prime in a setting where you are obviously higher value than her.

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    • on March 29, 2014 at 12:02 am Arbiter

      That is called being a “situational alpha”. It also includes the instructor in a free-time activity, the sexy bartender and more. Just look at The Bachelor, how the women fall in love with the guy because he is the center of everyone’s attention.

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  61. on March 20, 2014 at 2:05 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    Does someone know why some comments disappear into the abyss? I think it has to do with some words used in the comment.

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  62. on March 20, 2014 at 4:28 pm ramblearound

    Is this the same Harvard Business School?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/education/harvard-case-study-gender-equity.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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  63. on March 21, 2014 at 5:43 am Kate

    Jewelry is bait. Plain and simple. It sparkles and we go “ooh.”

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