Mate guarding is a science-y term for possessiveness. Both sexes mate guard, but for reasons having to do with the inherent skew in reproductive value and goals between men and women, men are the sex who generally mate guard more often, and with more intensity. Men of the northlands, at any rate.
To be precise, beta men and lesser alphas are chronic mate guarders. Established alpha males don’t typically mate guard — at least not obviously — because they don’t fear their women cheating on them or falling under the spell of other men, and, less benignly, they redirect some of their relationship energy that would normally be spent on mate guarding toward hooking up with side lovers.
Beta males, whether consciously or not, sense more keenly the sexual interloper threat posed by other men and the wandering eyes of their own women. This heightened threat detection system is likely an evolved instinct that serves the useful purpose of keeping the lover of a beta male faithful, (or constrained in her ability to cheat).
Here’s where it gets interesting for philosophers and warriors of Game alike: While mate guarding may offer some temporary or discrete relationship security, multiple acts of mate guarding will paradoxically increase longer term relationship fragility. The mechanism by which this LTR instability is generated is a status feedback loop; if a man mate guards, his woman will subconsciously evaluate his romantic worth downward because (her sensitive idware will reason) only a beta male would feel the need to mate guard. An alpha male would not; his aloofness would be perceived as proof of his impenetrable high status.
Yes, when a beta male mate guards, his girlfriend will proclaim in the moment her ego-stroked thrill at his display of jealousy, but over time the accretion of those displays will erode her charitable judgment of his mate value. This is why women are viscerally disgusted by the thought of overly “possessive” boyfriends. It’s not the chauvinistic possessiveness per se that makes women wince (a shibboleth to which rationalizing feminists constantly allude); it’s the betatizing fallout that repulses women. No woman wants to think she’s hitched to a lower value man, just as no man wants to think he’s with a woman uglier than he can be expected to get.
It’s therefore in the master womanizer’s interest to avoid the trap of mate guarding. The temporary happy ego boost it might give your woman is not worth the long-term erosion in your mate status. If you doubt this, try to visualize scenarios of men in the act of mate guarding. Recall moments when you witnessed mate guarding by other men. Does “alpha male” spring to mind? Or do you feel something closer to pity for those men?
If you’re having trouble organizing your thoughts on the matter, a picture can help to wonderfully focus your mind:

Assuming for purposes of discussion that this isn’t a creep copping a cheap feel, who among you can restrain the impulse to mock this fingertip-affixed beta male boyfriend claiming ownership of his snoozing girlfriend’s thigh? This is what mate guarding frequently looks like: A quasi-pervy, insecure beta trying hard to let the world know that this is HIS girl, and you (or her) better not get any ideas. This is also why excessive PDA is beta.
When you think of alpha males, you picture a self-possessed (rather than possessive), somewhat standoffish dude with a girl gazing adoringly at him and squirming to wedge tighter into the nook of his chest. He might drape a noncommittal arm over her shoulders, but even that small gesture of mate guarding appears as if it had to be coerced from him. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to emulate this guy and not the guy in the photo above.
CH Maxim #57: Beta males mate guard, alpha males disregard.
Before the EXCEPTIONS ARE THE RULE crowd chimes in with their insipid blather, no one denies that there might be rare times when a forthright act of overt guardianship is necessary to remind an especially obstinate man or slutty woman of your boundaries. The rule to avoid mate guarding doesn’t mean avoid it at all costs. If the cost of avoidance is high enough, you’ll be better off breaking the rule. But if you find yourself breaking the NO MATE GUARDING rule a lot, you need to reassess exactly who in your relationship is the real break-up threat.

I’d say that real men don’t need to mate guard–their women keep alien males away. No fb, no texting on cells, no girls night out, no flirting with other men.
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enjoy the dive.
http://www.36ng.com.ng/2014/03/21/inspiring-kim-kardashian-finally-makes-vogue-magazine-cover-kanye-west-baby-north-west/
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It’s discreet not discrete
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Yo, GBFM – pedophile JEW Epstein seducing Bubba with pederasty and sex slavery:
LAWSUIT: Bill Clinton Flew on Fundraiser’s Jet to Private Island Stocked with Teenage Sex Slaves…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3136618/posts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584309/Bill-Clinton-identified-lawsuit-against-former-friend-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-regular-orgies-Caribbean-compound-former-president-visited-multiple-times.html
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You haven’t got any sperm cuz you don’t have any ballz. lolzllolz
Why do you assume my wife is fertile and uses da pill? And why aren’t you after Bernanke’s wife, anyway??????? My wife wouldn’t make eye contact with you or talk with you or even acknowledge your existence. She ignores other men almost entirely. She will talk with couples, so bring your gay friend along. Maybe she’ll talk with you then. amirite?
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i am with you somewhat, but i do know girls that are just like that, regardless of man. i’m not sure the man in the situation can alone change a normal girl into the exception– a trustworthy woman.
as for whether mate-guarding is worthwhile– unless you are having kids or have kids, then no. let her walk if that is her wont, and grab another one, without having to break up with her yourself.
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I’d say that real men don’t need to mate guard–their women keep alien males away.
Or alien females. IOW, the girl mate-guards her man.
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The hell you say. When I’m out, my wife stays home. We occasionally go out together for dinner, but I’m normally out stag.
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Then cuckold are alpha, right. But no, they are not.
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All dogs are mammals.
Are all mammals dogs? No.
All “alpha” men refrain from mate guarding.
Fill in the last line. This counts towards your final grade.
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Cucks don’t guard their woman but are they alfa.
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There’s a difference between “not mate guarding” and “being an oblivious idiot”.
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No cucks are not idiot but they lack confidence to satisfy their woman. A lot of white cucks are doing well in life than their BBC bulls. It looks an end to white civilization.
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I hope you are joking ching chong. There is a huge jump in approving and watching your wife cheat on you versus being fine with flirting with other girls and having other women’s attention despite having a girlfriend. If your girlfriend is going to cheat on you anyway than its better to forget her and find someone more loyal. Sluts will be sluts.
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My only contribution to this discussion would be that:
1) While it is correct that the True Alpha would never waste any time worrying about whether he ought to be guarding his mate,
2) Even the True Alpha is making a dangerous – possibly fatal – mistake if he fails to sex his woman.
All women need to be fucked.
And fucked hard.
Over and over and over again.
They need their orgasms.
It completes them.
Makes them whole.
Any man, even the True Alpha, who withholds sex from his woman, does so at his own peril.
Because either you can sex her, or else YaReally’s sneaky little snake-in-the-grass sorry posterior is gonna be lurking right there in the shadows, just waiting to sex her for you.
With the added benefit that you then get to spend the next 20 or 30 years of your life raising YaReally’s children, rather than your own.
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She mudsharked herself with Quincy Jones.
Although, in fairness to Quincy, he is 100% white on his Y-chromosome.
Apparently he’s undergone some pretty extensive genealogical and DNA forensics – he has both Welsh and French Huguenot blood in him.
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Hey Zombie?
I fucked Tasha too.
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These rules seem like beta guarding. What “HEAETISTEZ” says is true for the young and fresh alpha, but does nothing for the twenty year beta that bought the milk. However, it’s amazing how true these child-like games play in those that don’t possess virtue and honor; meaning women.
If there is anything to be learned from the righteous rules of game, it is the fact that your woman, yes, any woman, can be gamed. It doesn’t matter how old or young, these airheads are all the same.
What bothers me most is how the so called “game” is contrary to what a real Christian woman can be to a man and family. Is there no such thing anymore? I am not sure….
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herbie, you’re under a misconception. I didn’t impose the rules that I listed–my wife imposed her own rules. She was a 10 (decades ago) and there were always alphas interested in her. Her ASD was top-notch and she came up with her own rules to keep alphas at bay. If a woman is into you, she will do that.
Christian women cannot be gamed if they follow the advice to “flee youthful lust.” They also need to pick virtuous friends. “Bad companions corrupt good morals.” If a woman feels lust while talking with a guy, she needs to put distance between herself and him.
I’m autistic and lust isn’t typically a problem for me, so I don’t worry about distance. Still, aggressive women can be a hassle, so I have ways to dissuade their interest. Act beta….
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Hi, I am a White Hispanic, and a former Agnostic Irreligious, I recently converted to Buddhism and I accepted Buddha as my Lord and savior from the cycle of rebirth, Buddhism, in keeping with the principle of the Middle Way, would advocate neither extreme puritanism nor extreme permissiveness in sex.
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The way the guru game works is that the guru claims to have something you need to be happy – and they’ll give it to you in exchange for your money, power and sex. “Open your heart! (and your wallet and your legs)”
In his song Rikki Tikki Tavi, Donovan sang:
Everybody who read the Jungle Book
Knows that Riki Tiki Tavi’s a mongoose who kills snakes
When I was a young man I was led to believe
There were organizations to kill my snakes for me
IE, the church, IE, the government, IE, the school
But when I got a little older I learned how to kill them myself
Riki Tiki Tavi, mongoose is gone
Won’t be coming around for to kill your snakes, no more
Riki Tiki Tavi, mongoose is gone
Accepting another as your lord and savior is a seriously beta attitude.
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Is it shirt logos that are blanked out and if so what are they and are they both the same.
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ch making a joke here: “look I will cover up their faces to protect their poor little feewings…oops, missed,my bad”
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Ah Ok, that was obtuse of me.
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By the way, Buddha bless everyone here 🙂 , be in the grace of Lord Maitreya and everything will be fine 😉
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Asians have good calves
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I love to lift weights and have a muscular body but once an asian girlfriend looked disdainfully at my genetically cursed calves as I stood naked and said “you have no calf definition”.
She also said “front too strong”.
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John, some Asians have short tibias and fibulas therefore they have less distance to cover with a given muscle mass; this is in direct contrast with certain Africans which tent to have long ones to where it seems like they have no calf at all.
Can you squat flat footed like an Asian?
Its difficult if you have long legs.
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Blacks are subhuman. Enough said.
Rape!
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sub-rape?
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I think you mean “Grape!” In that context.
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If there’s the Asian Squat there’s most definitely the Asian Flip Flop Shuffle Drag. Annoys me no end!
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081116230310AAa20wO
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That’s interesting. My teacher was in a death match competition years ago, and he told us how in one of the matches, a black fighter threw a perfect roundhouse at someone’s shin and broke his shin bone.
Black fighters tend to be a bit twiggy in the legs.
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I’m confused. Did the black fighter end up with a broken shin or did his opponent have a broken shin?
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No,she said fun tu wong which roughly translates to youhave a tiny dick.Sorry
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DON’T SKIP LEG DAY!!!
http://distractify.com/people/personal/people-who-prove-you-should-never-skip-leg-day/
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sarcastic?
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Was I being sarcastic? No, I was serious. In my experience Asians have big calves, which is mostly the same as having good calves. That omega in the pic is totally lame, but at least he’s got meaty (though obviously not defined) calves. That should count for at least an extra .5 – 1 point on the SMV scale. Think of how even more pathetic he would look if he had chicken legs.
Anyone else noticed the Asians/big calves connection? Or what about the opposite Hispanics/chicken legs phenomenon?
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“Anyone else noticed the Asians/big calves connection? ”
Yes. It’s the most distinctly unattractive feature of Asian women.
It makes them look ungraceful and plodding.
To me the ideal calves for women are long and slender – exactly the look that high heels produce.
For men, it’s narrow near the ankles – which indicates strong burst power (in sprinting you want as little weight as possible below the knee to maximize acceleration – look at horse legs for an example) – with a large bulge below the knee which indicates strength.
My opinion anyway.
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Ugh, spare me, you queefs… Asian calves, a universal dichotomy?. As long as you learn to regain the normal functionality that is the flat footed squat, none of your lame body image aspirations matter. Then you can progress to mastering proper bowel movements…
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Steve Johnson
To me the ideal calves for women are long and slender – exactly the look that high heels produce..
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Thats why a lot of short leg Asian women wear those “Capri pants”; it makes your legs look longer, and I think there is a certain kind of top a girl can wear with those pants to amplify the effect.
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“That omega in the pic is totally lame, but at least he’s got meaty (though obviously not defined) calves.”
You sure? To me his calves don’t look much wider in diameter than his ankles. Don’t seem meaty.
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He’s got cankles.
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Might be interesting to link that article about when someone flatters your woman in front of you.
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“A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.”
– Lazurus Long
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I come to think of Sicilians, Albanians, Arabs, Kurds and Turks pulling a knife and shouting, demanding “respect” the moment someone looks in the direction of the woman in their company. They are not exactly northlanders though.
When you think of alpha males, you picture a self-possessed (rather than possessive), somewhat standoffish dude with a girl gazing adoringly at him and squirming to wedge tighter into the nook of his chest. He might drape a noncommittal arm over her shoulders, but even that small gesture of mate guarding appears as if it had to be coerced from him.
Well, so they mateguard, they just do it right.
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Steve Sailer described the latitude of those countries as “the jealousy belt” – unlike further north women are more prone to straying and unlike further south men invest in offspring so are motivated to care about it.
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Steve Sailor is as hypocritical as you guys are.
White guys such as yourselves spend all day on the internet MATE GUARDING women you don’t even know and never even seen from guys you don’t even know and never even seen.
The projection is strong on this site.
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So why not leave?
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The are two times that I can think of where its worth “mate guarding”: 1) your girlfriend is mouthing “HELP ME” in response to a guy who does not get the hint and 2) if your girlfriend is too drunk to notice that its not you she’s about to go home with. In the case of 2, you should tell your girlfriend the next day that you are done if she drinks like that again.
In all other cases, I find the following effective (as long as its said with an amused smile and in response to the question of why you are not trying to mate guard or don’t get jealous) “If you want to cheat on me, your going to cheat on me. We’ll be done if you do, but I’m not going to try to stop you.”
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Babysitting a very drunk girlfriend is beta. I would stop her from walking out into traffic, but prevent her from going home with another guy, no way.
As far as the “help” request, ignore it. She isn’t in any danger, and I’m sure she can handle it.
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1) She’s a big girl now, let her use her words.
2) Don’t date a girl who gets so drunk she can’t even recognize you.
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If she is that drunk, she has probably lost control of her bodily functions. If you have any standards at all, you should be sexually repulsed by her.
[CH: A swimsuit model pissing herself is still more fuckable than an obese whale dressed to the nines and perfumed in the finest French fragrances.]
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To CH,
And? As if those are only two options? Don’t draw out two extremes as if those are the only options. That’s deceptive. We both know we can have a gorgeous women who keeps her shit together.
Stop giving passes to the “pissing herself swimsuit model” just because you’re scared you might end up with a whale.
Fat girls need love too… But they gotta pay…
[CH: Extreme examples are useful to illuminate greater truths.]
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He didn’t draw out a dichotomy. He was just making a point. And idk….it’s hard not to give gorgeous women — of any type — a free pass, brah.
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“CH: A swimsuit model pissing herself is still more fuckable than an obese whale dressed to the nines and perfumed in the finest French fragrances.”
A swimsuit model pissing herself still has more control over her bodily functions than a whale.
Pissing yourself is a loss of control for a few seconds. Getting to be whale sized is a continuous loss of control over years.
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Getting very drunk women home safe (that trust you to do so- and that can be a lot) is just what you do. Forget, “she can handle it” No she can’t. What is so complicated? Just be a mensch sometimes. It is not poison.
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I’m basically with you, Jack. If it’s serious trouble a brother’s got a duty to stand up for a woman who is an LTR or a wife, but you have to know whether it’s serious trouble or a shit test. A few years back I was in a bar with my wife, boozing pretty hard. I was busy flirting with a girl I knew who recently made a national team and was celebrating. Not a pretty girl but super fit and magnetically attractive the way a super physical specimen always is. A guy was trying to put the moves on my wife, real intensive chatting, cutting her out from the herd. I looked at her, she wasn’t happy, but nothing really looked amiss so I went back to chatting up Jock Chick.
Later on I left with my wife who was super pissed (probably about my flirting too). She asks “Why didn’t you defend me?” This was before I knew anything about a game way of characterizing things so I didn’t realize it was maybe her shit testing with a “let’s you and him fight” approach. I told her, “I had my eyes open… if you were in serious trouble I’d have beaten his ass into the hospital. You’re a big girl and can handle yourself though so i wasn’t worried, figured you’d holler if you really needed help, and maybe you enjoyed the attention.” I meant it. I’d handle it the same way today.
She may have been genuinely uncomfortable with that dude or she may have been running her own game to counteract me flirting with Jock Chick (who a few months later got me in some trouble…turns out it’s not acceptable to let not-entirely strange women walk up to you, grab your package in public in front of your wife and try to start a girl fight. Got away with that one too, after some discussion…)
Anyhow, it turns out being sort of an aloof dick is a pretty good way to manage shit tests. She’s never pulled that shit since then and if guys hit on her she wanders over to get away from them, grabs my arm, cuddles up. Jock Girl also set me up pretty nice, BTW. I’ve never cheated on my wife but I’m sure my wife remembers those incidents, and any woman that flirts with me draws an immediate jealous reaction. Good stuff. I was playing with fire there and good thing I didn’t get a clear opportunity to hit Jock Girl because back then I just might have, and I wouldn’t have such a clean conscience… but it all worked out in the end. BTW, I never would have tolerated a chick who gets blackout drunk and is ready to go home with some other guy. I’d put her in a cab but the discussion the next day wouldn’t be an ultimatum, it’d be a “goodbye” and a suggestion she get that treated. You don’t need to be in that relationship. And my wife – she knows better. I don’t think she’d do that to herself.
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‘Recall moments when you witnessed mate guarding by other men. Does “alpha male” spring to mind? Or do you feel something closer to pity for those men?’
No, not pity. It certainly does make a man look weak and insecure. I knew this guy who did it all the time, almost literally nonstop, running his creeper mitts all over his girlfriend at every moment, and a couple times she audibly and openly asked him to stop. And he would, for about three seconds, and then resume his 24/7 creeper mitts.
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“Creeper Mitts” would make a good username.
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I used to be Matthew King.
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I thought that was me? Wait. No. My avatar has a pig.
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So how do you respond to the jealousy shit test? Inevitably she’ll want to find out if you care whether she sees other guys. For me this is a major shit test, a dealbreaker.
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Exclusivity is either agreed upon, or it is not. If he’s not ready to be exclusive then shit testing by trying to see other guys means you’re gone the next day, if he’s a guy worth having. If he is ready to be exclusive, or you are and think he is, simply asking if this would be the time to be exclusive should work. Shit testing as a way to induce exclusivity is childish.
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“Exclusivity is either agreed upon, or it is not.” This.
The jealousy shit test leaves the woman with the option to be nonexclusive. Unacceptable.
Amy, what you should be doing if you want a family is demanding marriage after a certain amount of time “exclusive”. Otherwise it’s totally unofficial and, in most cases, unsuitable for bringing children into such a home.
Otherwise he gets 2 years of fun, you get 2 years older, and then he’s perfectly within his rights and reasonable expectations to announce that it’s over.
Clarity.
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Right. Amy, I really think this is one of those perfect examples where CH points out that women, even ones who read here like you, don’t understand your own psychology. You cannot be trusted to advise other women or men what you really like. If a man shows jealousy, at all, as CH writes — that really really really lowers your opinion of him and starts the slide towards and inevitable breakup, whether 3 or 15 or 24 months into the future. What you describe as a conscious attempt to get information is not a “shit test.” Shit tests are done instinctively by the woman without knowing she’s doing it.
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I am saying that at some point he has to show some possessiveness, or else it gives the impression he doesn’t care what she does. I don’t want to cheat, I want him to CARE whether I cheat or not. If he doesn’t, I’m leaving, because I think it’s much more painful to be with a guy who doesn’t care if you’re monogamous vs. a guy who’s not monogamous himself.
So I disagree that showing *some* possessiveness lowers value. As with anything, it can be overdone and make the guy look clingy, I get that.
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Then fucking straight up ask him. “Can we be exclusive”. If he says yes, he clearly desires you above all other women. That is possessive. If he says no, then you part ways. Objective satisfied, no need to try to work in the idiocy of playing somebody’s feelings for your own benefit.
Christ, women always have to make shit so friggin’ difficult for such little return. And to top it off you get your hamster spinning so fast about it that it generates Bitcoin.
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Few roads to travel with this. The occasional flare up….like, randomly when some guy gives her attention, pretend to be annoyed about it. Chicks do seem to like this, mostly because it reaffirms that you pay attention to them.
However, these days I prefer to display possessiveness in other ways. Like, not paying attention to her during an outing and then randomly coming up behind her with a light hug and kiss on her neck….then off again.
Personally tho, the fact that I don’t kick you out after we have sex or the fact that I’ll watch TV shows and chill with you should be plenty of ‘possessiveness.’
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“However, these days I prefer to display possessiveness in other ways. Like, not paying attention to her during an outing and then randomly coming up behind her with a light hug and kiss on her neck….then off again.
That’s solid.
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Nibbling a lobe and holding shoulders also works. Or, if it’s a trailer park situation, maybe just pinch a nipple and smirk. To each his own, I guess.
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+1
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“And to top it off you get your hamster spinning so fast about it that it generates Bitcoin.”
Comment of the month, in tears.
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” … Christ, women always have to make shit so friggin’ difficult for such little return. And to top it off you get your hamster spinning so fast about it that it generates Bitcoin…. ”
Ha! That’s a good one!
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“Christ, women always have to make shit so friggin’ difficult for such little return.”
–> hey, they can’t decide so fast. Rationalization Hampster spins their head so fucking much that they usually make the dumber move.
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Amy: the point is that modern women are always wanting to be treated as equals, or at least not like children. Fine. Then women need to understand that possessiveness is paternalistic and in today’s world, outdated. In even simpler terms, it’s called “treating women like adults” — and adulthood means that you accept the responsibility of your actions. Simpler still: a man shouldn’t NEED to demonstrate possessiveness; a woman should take it for granted (or else he’d be with someone else). Don’t make us responsible for your insecurities.
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“Simpler still: a man shouldn’t NEED to demonstrate possessiveness; a woman should take it for granted (or else he’d be with someone else). Don’t make us responsible for your insecurities.”
Yup, this. I know. You and Burninator are right. I struggle in this area.
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Amy, take it from me: Jealous and possessive guys don’t get less jealous and possessive as time goes by. They get worse. Yes, jealousy is a natural human emotion that we all experience, but part of what marks us as full-fledged adults is the ability to choose a mate whom we can trust, and then to trust them. To accept that we cannot control other people’s actions, and that being cheated on—as painful as it is—is not the end of the world.
Men who cannot do that have (at best) not fully matured and (at worst) can actually be dangerous.
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“Men who cannot do that have (at best) not fully matured ”
What makes you say that? Mate guarding has a strong genetic basis (remember: what benefits propagation of your genes?), and thus it would seem odd to call it a sign of immaturity.
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I am referring to emotional maturity, not physical maturity. Emotional maturity is, in part, about overcoming our baser instincts. Like jealousy.
Just because a thing is natural and conducive to propagating one’s genes does not mean that thing is morally good.
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You need to struggle in my “area.” 😉
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“I am referring to emotional maturity, not physical maturity.”
I know.
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“Emotional maturity is, in part, about overcoming our baser instincts.”
What definition of “[emotional] maturity” are you using?
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“Just because a thing is natural and conducive to propagating one’s genes does not mean that thing is morally good.”
Are you suggesting that jealousy is immoral? What morals are you referring to to make such a statement?
BTW, there’s a distinction between morality and ethics.
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Your soul is a saboteur.
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idk isn’t modern feminism just a shit test anyway.
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For a decent looking chick ? Yes .
For fat, ugly unfuckable women it’s their ideology.
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“…the point is that modern women are always wanting to be treated as equals, or at least not like children.”
This discussion assumes that women are men’s equals. But they are not. Things that are different by definition cannot be equal.
“In even simpler terms, it’s called “treating women like adults” — and adulthood means that you accept the responsibility of your actions”
Women may behave that way sometimes when it suits their hypergamous purposes, other times they do whatever they can get away with to further their agenda.
Although these sentiments sound high minded and ‘modern’, the truth of the matter is that feminism is about enjoying privilege without women being responsible for the long term consequences of their actions.
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I think Amy is right. There is a fine line between being aloof and signaling permissiveness. If you never show a hint of possessiveness, you are signaling that it is ok for her to stray a little.
There is a certain percentage of the population (male and female) who want to cheat and will cheat on you no matter what. Nothing you can about them but dump them when they reveal this. There is a certain percentage of the population (male and female) who will be 100% loyal no matter what temptation is thrown their way.
But, most people exist in a gray area — they aren’t looking to cheat or even that open to it. But, if they are put in the right situation at the right time with the right person, it will happen. Signaling permissiveness gives girls a green light to engage in gray-area behavior (flirting, casual texting, non-overtly sexual physical contact) that, with all probability, result in flat out cheating at some point. All of this could be prevented (in most situations) by laying down some ground rules and letting her know that certain behaviors are not cool with you.
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But, if they are put in the right situation at the right time with the right person, it will happen.
Right, which is why yanking her out of that situation can work.
However, if this is a regular occurrence though, whether due to her general whorishness or her regular access to men more attractive than you, then you have larger problems.
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Agreed, that’s why the “if you ever drink like that again we’re done.” ultimatum Is usually OK for me. I don’t “1 and done” this one since so many girls are now used to so many free passes…they really are that unaware. Dudes aren’t dishing out harsh enough punishment for wrong behaviors.
More often than not I’ve had girls completely quit drinking altogether if they know I’m dead serious. Or at best 2 or 3 beers. Drunk girls are lost, if your girl is happy she really doesn’t have much reason to even bother with wanting to get hammered with her friends.
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No..too many examples that have shown time and again that given certain conditions people, mostly women, are capable of anything. It’s all about FEELINGS, principles and ethics are easily rationalized away “I’m not that type of girl.” LOL righhhhht, unless “I got really drunk.” or “I was drugged.” or another gold line “I was young and stupid.” Always a solid go-to line. The good ones avoid certain conditions…ie getting shitfaced hammered at a frat house or with their boss after work.
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Ya, what I usually get at with the ‘most girls aren’t sluts’ or ‘don’t ride the cock carousel’ or whatever isn’t that most girls don’t have the capability of doing so or don’t feel those urges or whatever. It’s mostly just about opportunity.
You want to test how TRULY slutty a girl is? Just observe what situations she puts herself in to.
“I never go out.” — sexual spermafrost. No thanks.
“Me and friends go out and get wasted and always have adventures.” — Lots of artillery plunging into those foxholes.
“I’m always the DD, but sometimes I’ll have a beer.” — juuuuuuust right. Has a healthy attitude toward sex probably, but also doesn’t LOSE control. That’s what’s key…..do they PUT themselves into suspect situations?
The whole mythical virgin thing is busted because their relative inexperience can make them MORE vulnerable to those opportunities. And what are you going to do? TELL HER? Great way to DLV yourself and make her even more curious.
Like……practically, you probably DO want a girl who got burned once or twice — because she now realizes she isn’t a special snowflake and knows to keep herself out of certain situations. No one wants to hear that shit but it’s true.
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Tell the bloke to fuck off. Simple stuff. You can also approach a bar staff member and have them eject the threatening male.
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..my high school girlfriend was a blond who looked similar to you…her tactic was to make up elaborate stories and exaggerate events telling me how she cheated on me until I exploded into anger and jealousy…she was epic about it….oh so many many many examples of this….i guess i’ll keep it brief and mention the fact that she also made up stories of men raping her and molesting her…her go-to lie was to make me think that family members and friends of the family did this…she blamed her uncle for molesting her and spanking her in her panties…i almost tried to kill him at thanksgiving in front of her whole family but she had to stop me but almost didnt….oh i was such a tool and i even laugh at how much of an idiot i was…..
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Oh for Christ’s sake, Amy:
1) Get off the pill [or the IUD or whatever other abortifacient you are poisoning your body with], then
2) Copulate with him anytime from 72 hours down to zero hours prior to your next ovulation, then
3) Push out his baby nine months later.
It’s a really simple fool-proof formula which bonds you with him in The Tree of Life for all eternity.
***************
tldr; version: Have his babies or stfu.
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ZS for president. Guaranteed you get at least as many votes as Ron Paul.
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@Amy my now ex gf who is at least an 8, perhaps now a 7 because she’s 35 was all over me, following me around etc etc and then we started going out.
She was super jealous that I was still friends with an ex gf. She was also imagining that various girls who I was friends with or acquaintances with were after me.
I milked this and was not jealous at all.
Then suddenly she started getting cool. I sensed something. She texted once to say she was having her friend of a series of birthday dinners. I never asked who it was with assuming it was a gf.
Then when we met up for her birthday a few days later she was all shitty, passive aggressive and my intuition told me something was up. I asked who she went out with on that day. She said it was XXX …a kind of rich, beta provider loser who is always hitting on girls. “He’s just a friend.”
I was pissed off. She normally would tell me or ask me, but since she had just gone and done it and since this guy was a loser who was clearly trying to get into her pants the fact she went out to some small restaurant together was the beginning of the end.
I think she used this to provoke me. I think after we broke up they ended up going out and are now together though I don’t know.
In retrospect my anger was correct. I think this was deliberate and she was triangulating the relationship on purpose.
But honestly, “mate guarding” wouldn’t have made any difference. If a girl is into you she’s into you if she’s a cheater, she’ll find a way to cheat or disguise it.
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She WAS provoking you. She was provoking to see if you gave a **** about who she went out with. (She handled it badly though). It’s a jealousy shit test to see if you care about her.
You guys think it’s about cheating, but it isn’t. She didn’t want to cheat on you with that loser, she was using him to make you jealous. She was pissed that you didn’t get jealous.
Your reaction was correct, by the way, because she way overplayed that by actually going out with the guy, which put her at fault and gave you a legitimate reason to dump her. This is what I would have done:
Me: xxx asked me out to dinner for my birthday.
Aloof guy: OK
Me: He’s just a friend. I told you about him. I’m not attracted to him at all
Guy: OK
Me: So is it cool w you that I go?
Guy: Sure
Me: Ummm because you believe me that we’re just friends, or is it because you don’t care what I do?
There’s the shit test. But see how easy I made it? I’m not asking for some huge declaration of undying love or anything.
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“But honestly, “mate guarding” wouldn’t have made any difference. If a girl is into you she’s into you if she’s a cheater, she’ll find a way to cheat or disguise it.”
Yup. Notice how she was the mate guarder early on: “She was super jealous that I was still friends with an ex gf. She was also imagining that various girls who I was friends with or acquaintances with were after me.”
… and then she turned out to be the one at least pseudo cheating on you. Projection.
‘It’s no secret that a liar won’t believe anyone else’
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Projection. Yes.
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Projection is a form of control.
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Wow, that’s, like, intelligent. Sure you’re on the right board? Could you elaborate? Is projection the attempt by the projecting person to control their unacknowledged impulse? Od to control the person projected onto?
I mean, we can get psychoanalytical for at least a brief exchange before the yahoos start howling about the the Jews.
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Projection is where you put your own traits, shortcomings etc on someone else.
My ex gf did this all the time. “You cheated on me…” no evidence given, no specifics.
But in fact she got outraged when I counter-accused her of cheating on me.
“You’re crazy” she replied. Am I? Or is that a way of putting her own self-esteem and mental instability onto me?
By projecting, it creates a kind of self-doubt in the person being accused. It is also a way for the person doing the projecting to off-load their guilt, their shame etc.
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Abundance and scarcity in less than 60 seconds lol:
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LOL Amy. I once had a woman ask me if I minded if she saw other guys. I said, “Go ahead.” She asked, “Don’t you care?” I ignored her. So she got pissed, went out with another guy, and when she got home, all my stuff was gone and I never spoke to her again.
I don’t have time or the patience for shit tests or games. I am who I am, on a journey of my own making. I don’t change (and refuse to even consider it), and I never respond to ultimatums. If a woman wants to join me, she can; if not, I don’t care. For some reason, I never had any problem in dating/bedding women, and likewise had little problem with walking away from women if they tried to change me or my journey.
Fortunately, I eventually found a woman who accepted me on those terms,and we’ve been together for 18 years, married for 12.
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But aren’t you playing games yourself? The real answer to her first question was that you did mind. Yet you told her the exact opposite. And it sounds like you did that to test out what she would do.
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Amy, if you did that to me, I’d hold you by the shoulders, look you straight in the eye, and say, “Seriously?” Then I’d kiss you and give you a slap on the ass. If you can’t get the message, it’s time to part.
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Men control commitment, women control sex.
Think about that in the context of intersex arrangements.
If a man has to assume all the up front risk of approaching et al for the opportunity to penetrate your loins, expect the same risk for a woman when she tries to lock down commitment.
Sex is your bartering mechanism. Use it wisely.
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Also, shit testing commitment is the female beta equivalent of the guy that thinks “if i can just get her to see what a great guy that i am she won’t be able to resist.” Also it signals BPD.
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Actually, alphas control sex even more than women.
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Amy, this is such a beautiful picture of you! 🙂
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she looks really weird when you cut and paste them all back together.
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I am glad there is now reliable paternity testing.
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” that there might be rare times when a forthright act of overt guardianship is necessary to remind an especially obstinate man or slutty woman of your boundaries.”
Yeah, that sounds about right. As somebody else already said, if she is clearly trying to fend off an idiot cad with more courage than brains, it’s fine to step in. And I generally don’t tolerate unwarranted violence, but that’s not really towards the “mate” as it is towards people in general. If you come over and slap/hit the girl with me for no apparent reason and she clearly doesn’t welcome it, you’re likely to find me standing up to you.
Otherwise, yeah, there’s no point in it. Plus she should be too busy trying to mate guard you against all of the women in the vicinity flirting with you to have time to respond to some random male.
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multiple acts of mate guarding will paradoxically increase longer term relationship fragility
The key word here is multiple.
The one time that a beta/lesser alpha should mate guard is if his generally wife/girlfriend is suddenly in the regular presence of a high alpha and he needs to get her out of there pronto before she has a chance to cheat. The goal is to remove her from immediate temptation, so he should take the hit on his attractiveness and then work on building it back up later. Make the bitch explicitly choose between her comfortable home life and this new excitement. The worst thing you can do is let her keep both for a while, before she eventually dumps your ass anyway.
However, this only works as a very occasional thing, an emergency measure. If you have to do this on a regular basis you have more fundamental issues: either she’s a whore, in which case you either need to dump her or stop thinking of her as a long term investment, or, if she’s basically a decent enough girl, you need to work on your own attractiveness.
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Example: your girlfriend has just been assigned to work with a newly single George Clooney.
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George Clooney is always single.
How often does this happen in real life to you? I can’t say it’s ever been something I’ve encountered, since movie stars generally avoid Ohio like the plague. Sans that then, I don’t see this as a plausible exception. If you’re not high enough value that you’re going to lose her to some guy like me, then improve yourself such that you present higher value and don’t have to worry about this kind of thing.
CH did note “greater beta/lesser alpha” as perpetrators of this kind of thing, which in all reality you actually demonstrated as true.
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Or some local, charismatic equivalent of GC. They do exist. If your spider senses start tingling, tell the bitch to stop working with him.
Removing women from the presence of a one time threat is sometimes required. There aren’t a lot of high alphas out there, so, if she’s not a total whore, once she’s out of his presence she isn’t likely to cheat, and you can work on your attractiveness later. If you have a lot invested in the relationship (especially if you’re married and/or have kids), it is definitely worth it.
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“tell the bitch to stop working with him”
That’s “mate guarding”. Why should you give a fuck who she wiorks with? In the first place, it’s not in her (or your) control to decide who she works with. Secondly, she’s going to do what she’s going to do, and there’s nothing you can do to stop it. (This, by the way, is one good reason why it’s not always a good idea for women to work.)
What you need to do is make her love you and be dependent on you to the point where she wouldn’t dream of being unfaithful to you. If you fail to do that, she’ll find someone who will, and you’re the loser. If you’re not interested in doing that, then she’s perfectly within her rights to find someone who will.
Simple law of the jungle stuff.
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“What you need to do is make her love you and be dependent on you…”
Too much work. There’s always going to be some dude more alpha than you, even if you’re George Clooney (getting a bit long in the tooth). You can’t “make” somebody love you….
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LOL Anton. You don’t “make” anyone do anything. You act like a man, and all the rest follows. If your act is deficient, it won’t.
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Why should you give a fuck who she wiorks with? In the first place, it’s not in her (or your) control to decide who she works with.
Utterly retarded. Yes, both you have some control over who she works with.
Secondly, she’s going to do what she’s going to do, and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
Because a woman has never been known to drift into an affair. As I said, retarded.
What you need to do is make her love you and be dependent on you to the point where she wouldn’t dream of being unfaithful to you.
There is always a bigger fish.
If you fail to do that, she’ll find someone who will, and you’re the loser.
Contrary to the fantasies of some here, not all slightly dissatisfied women are out actively looking for an affair. A lot of marriages drift along without actually breaking out into adultery, unless a “too good to pass up” opportunity comes along.
Fuck, this is common sense. But apparently this eludes some here.
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I’d also point out that there is significant variance in the ability to learn game. There will always be a significant attractiveness differential between men. So again, if you have to deal with someone significantly higher in value than you, it is often best to force the issue if it is a one time threat. Don’t let her drift into something.
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“That’s “mate guarding”. ”
Of course it is. That’s what they’re saying, that an occasional exception can have positive practical results.
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That’s why at one time coveting another man’s wife was considered shameful. There’s always someone higher up the foodchain. Certain ethics were in place to dissuade nuking the family. You can be manly as hell, funny, attractive, financially secure but there’s another man around the corner that’s even better. Shaming anyone who interferes with a marriage, be it a third party male, or the woman herself, all should be shamed for willingly destroying the family
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There is always a bigger fish.
Thankfully, new pussy makes you forget.
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Amen, brother…
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only two pieces of pussy count in life, your last and your next — Richard Pryor
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Thankfully, new pussy makes you forget.
True if you’re young and haven’t really invested in her. But if you’re married, with kids etc., you maybe don’t want your life to blow up over a one time threat.
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Girl I was trying to bang, boyfriend intercepted my text while she was in the shower and freaked out. Next time I saw her, she went on and on about how mad he was AT ME. Like he was totally going to kick my ass if he ever saw me and shit like that.
It seems to me a guy who gets that pissed at another guy for taking a shot at his girl is a beta pussy who is going to lose that girl to someone eventually. He should have gotten pissed at the girl if he was going to be pissed. Ditch her ass and move the fuck on is what I would do in his place. Here dude, you want her so bad, her asshole is slightly used, but knock yourself out.
Last time I ran into that chick, she had married that guy. I figure he put a ring on her finger to try to keep her from getting away, and that marriage is doooomed.
A girl who says shit like “I’ve thought about having sex with you” to guys she’s not supposed to be talking to is going to make some wife.
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yep and the problem is that is all girls today aged 25 to 42
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all, or very close to it. it’s shocking when you are my age (40ish) and you see girls in your peer group still out at bars acting like they’re 22. when they hit the wall they hit it going 85mph, totally unaware of what invisibility tomorrow holds for them.
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It’s always been the man who takes the blame for cheating. In this case from the 14th century, the men involved were tortured and executed, the women only imprisoned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_Nesle_Affair
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About the same in Roman law – the men were executed and the women were exiled.
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Of course. Women are not really responsible for their actions.
However, a man who fucks the property of other men must be killed.
For the sake of Civilisation, brotherhood among men and all that shit.
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got the same thing yesterday, a guy called me apparently to tell me to quit texting his girl. of course she’d never mentioned him prior and told me he was going to call. i missed his call but i kind of wanted to explain to him how screwed he was being with a girl like that.
in college i had a friend whose girlfriend had sex with his buddy. he beat the shit out of her, had drinks with him. way out of whack in the other direction, but it was an interesting perspective.
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So down with that story. Makes complete sense to me. The dude was just being a dude. The girl CHEATED on him. I don’t know about the beating up part, but bounce her and grab drinks with him, like I would grab a round with someone that just beat me at chess.
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There is no respect among men, these days…
You’re weak pussies if your friends are fucking your girl and then you go and have drinks with your “friends”… who porked your girl.
Shit! I forgot! 40% of the people here only fuck sluts…
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Yeah, guys like that are curious. He’s in a relationship with her, not with all of the other cocks in the world. He needs to manage her, not the other cocks. There’s always gonna be other cocks.
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“It seems to me a guy who gets that pissed at another guy for taking a shot at his girl is a beta pussy who is going to lose that girl to someone eventually.”
True alpha move on his part. His territory you were steppin’ in. You’re lucky to be alive.
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OMG, I HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHed!!!!!!
Free for all, Friday!
Free for all, Friday!!
Free for all, Friday!!!
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It’s un-lady like to start drinking before noon.
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HAHA! I don’t drink. But I do chant! And days off make me very HAPPY!:)
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Stop.
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Start!
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Rape!
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This is what happens if you don’t mate guard.
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Chicks be all uppity
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Not to mention all precious! Daaaawwwww.
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[…] Why Men Shouldn’t Mate Guard […]
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Ah, a perfect post to lead to this question re: my ex about whom I have written a bunch here. CH and players, please advise me on the following:
One of the 16 rules is to “walk away when she has violated your integrity.” In the following scenario, did I “beta mate guard” or did I do the right nearly-alpha thing, even though afterwards (and still) I missed my ex GF? I’ll be concise.
Ex GF is a hard bodied near-butter faced 7 who is a classic FB attention whore who has dozens of beta male orbiters, two in particular who had spent a lot of time with her and professed their beta love for her BEFORE she met me. I was alpha when I met her, seduced her, fucked her on the first date she was not on her menses, she thought I was hot, things were great for about 2 years. One of the beta orbiters is a high status man in real life, in that he owns a lot of real estate, including in Miami and New York. This beta orbiter is always offering ex GF a place to stay when she travels. They have traveled/backpacked in Europe together (a decade ago) and she calls him an affectionate name, “Frenchie,” because he’s French.
Well one day Frenchie, who lives in NYC, got himself run over on his scooter in NYC. After a weekend of great sex, ex GF tells me Frenchie got run over and “he wants me to come visit him in the hospital.”
I did NOT show any jealousy at that moment or do anything at all other than say “ok, cool.” I was sort of alpha with this girl, for real.
After she went to NY, where she stayed in one of his condos for 2 weeks, however, and then she didn’t come visit me on Valentine’s Day as we had planedd, I got sort of pissed of internally and sort of gave her attitude and it turned out that we ended up breaking up over the phone and I never saw her again. Admittedly I sort of gave her silent treatment and kind of never really confirmed the V day plans….but she was supposed to arrive in my city on a plane, didn’t, and then I called and she was like “I went home instead.” (it was a long distance relationship but it was great when we were together–that alone is beta, right? I won’t do that again.).
Frenchie does not earn more money than I do, but he’s a career bachelor who has put the $1.5 million I put into a marriage and divorce into real estate. Of course hypergamy doesn’t care that I put that money into support three other living human beings….hypergamy only sees that Frenchie has condos in Miami and New York.
During the relationship, when I was not acting jealous at all, like after getting a BJ, ex GF claims she never hooked up with Frenchie, ever, and they were just friends, even while she was eat-pray-loving (not her description of course) in Europe.
Another fact: ex GF has 3 tats including a huge one of a flower under her boob.
Did I correctly “walk away because she violated my integrity” or was I a jealous/possessive mate guarding beta?
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I don’t know exactly what “violated my integrity” means, but you were right in dumping her. I’ve known girls like her. She is what we people in the know call a “slut” (you may have heard of the term before). Of course she fucked Frenchie. One, she’s a slut. Two, he’s foreign. This raises his SMV by two points right out of the box. Three, you’ve got to be kidding with the “friends” thing. Women who have male “friends” who set them up to spend time in their condos in NYC and Miami fuck these “friends” for the favors they provide.
So, yeah, she violated your integrity, assuming that means “she got violated by rich guys behind my back.”
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LOL. yep it’s all so clear to me now. Her getting mad at me for suggesting the obvious truth was actually a “thou doth protest too much”/”she knows in her heart what she did” hamster explosion.
And the fucking spinster is about to turn 39 and I would have married her. lzozlozlzozozozoz
As I told her, she is offensive to her own mother (my point is in the paragraph below) and my mother and “decency.” Like so many women of Gen X, she has rebelled against the lifestyle of her own mother (married 40 years, living a decent (boring) life). As if it’s better to be alone and childless (as she will be) when she’s 43, 50, 65.
Here’s what I mean. As so many have commented, a little bit of “possessiveness” (turned into a bad word by feminism’s support of sluthood) is not only understandable, it’s biologically natural. Marriage requires sacrifice. The man is sacrificing too–that’s the last woman he’ll ever get to have sex with (supposedly). Think about your mom or other women you know who are married and older than 45. How many male friends does she have with whom she thinks she has a right to get to go visit in New York?
In the case of my mom and my ex GF’s mom, the answer is ZERO. You are committed to a man, you are committed to him….sorry, the other guys go away. That does not make me a jealous and “possessive” person with a negative connotation.
Women like my ex and so many women of Gen X live with the “facebook” mentality that they’d rather have many beta orbiters than one good husband who would actually be there for her protecting and supporting her every night, even for the 40 years between age 40 and 80 that’s she’s not even hot anymore.
Women’s inability to think past 30 seconds into the future prevents them from taking that one sided deal that is better for women.
That’s why laws and social mores in the past encouraged marriage. Women won’t get married or stay married, because of hypergamy, without social institutional control.
Bottom line is this GF didn’t like that I called her out on this Frenchie thing. I’m not the bad guy.
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Regardless of whether she was sleeping with Frenchie, she was disrespectful to you. Violation of integrity.
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Do you think she slept with Frenchie either 10 years ago, recently, or both?
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I think definitely 10 years ago… because who goes backpacking thru Europe with a hetero male friend?
During the recent trip… yea probably. Two weeks in his condo plus, her whole attitude toward you was disrespectful. And then basically blowing you off on Valentine’s Day. She was never acting like a gf, you’re well rid of her.
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Your gravatars are improving by the week. ;-P
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Lol thanks.
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I mean holy fuck CH our Amy is a 10.
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This is my story. When I found out my gf had gone on a date with this beta orbiter who’s got a car and is kind of everyone’s buddy…I flipped out on her.
2 weeks later she dumped me. It was a provocation and I took the bait.
Accepting it would have only pro-longed the pain. After we broke up we did talk a few times by phone and text and when she would have a go at me, I brought this up. She would say “we were just friends.” the “were” part was cryptic.
So my mistake was to bring it up…that lowered my value. But I should have dumped her first after this.
My gut intuition told me something was off this was not a “friend” because she’d never mentioned the guy before except in passing.
When I asked her whether she’d told him about me her reply was “He never asked…” Girls who value the relationship wouldn’t be so flippant or calculating or disrespectful…
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I’d have kicked her to the curb quite a bit earlier than you did. Chicks who collect orbiters are either doing it because they’re gaming you, using the other guys, or they are that stupid and actually believe “oh, these guys sniffing around wherever I just sat down are all just friends.”
There is the exception of the softball / golf chick who is “one of the guys.” Some of them really do just have a lot of guy friends. Doesn’t mean those guys don’t want to bang them, just that they aren’t stupid or manipulative.
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It’s funny, I thought about dumping her as early as 3 months into the relationship, then 9 months, then 15 months…..but it kept going (sex was great…she’s mid 30s but still hot and was on a mission to prove she’s still hot and she knew she only had a few good years left), and before I knew it we were coming up on our 3rd anniversary.
Now, it was sort of a mutual breakup at the time. I was just as mad at her as she was at me and it was a yelling match and mutual breakup.
But I admit that I still miss her, I tried to get her back (yeah I’m beta), and I still can’t get over her simply because even though I have tried to get back on the horse and have gone out with about 8 girls in the past year, I had 1% as much chemistry with them as I did with ex GF in the beginning, which is depressing and I have super high standards…ex GF is truly a hard body… 9 body and 6 face. Totally my type physically and, again, she was great in bed.
I know for a fact that she never even thinks about me AT ALL. This topic has been covered by CH here too…because there is only one egg, the girl must be able to move on immediately and look for the one who will fertilize the egg. (subconsciously….this girl is one of those who claims to not even want kids).
I’m still torn up over her and she couldn’t give a shit, of course.
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The proper way to break up with a woman is to never talk to her or give her “closure”. Just remove yourself from her life, using the element of surprise. Another commenter on here, gunslinger gave the only other acceptable option to this once she has made an indiscretion, give her the ultimatum of beating her or shes gone. Invasive species have a knack for spreading their genes while other people raise and support their offspring, meaning that some guy knocks up your gf/wife and the bf/husband supports and raises the bastard spawn. The issue is that other then paternity testing the guy has no guarantee that the child is his. This is why fidelity is important. If a woman is dishonest with you, engages in risky behavior, hangs around guys its a pretty good indicator that she wont honor fidelity. The other side of that is this, say the child is actually yours, then you get to spend 18-26 years supporting a crazy woman. That is the two biggest wastes of any mans life, supporting someone elses spawn, and supporting the crazy woman of your spawn. So, do not knock up a crazy woman and do not let women who are unfaithful ruin your life.
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Your only problem was to even give the “attention whore” any game at all..why should the chick even cared that you were married and divorced in the first place.
Total beta moves on your part. Sorry, no soup for you.
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I joke with my girl sometimes about chasing other women. She gets that sparkle in her eye. Sometimes she jokes back about chasing other men, and I laugh and tell her to try her luck. She glows at me.
She’s not waiting for your permission to step out. She’ll do it if she wants to, without reference to your “permission”. If you mate-guard, you’re asserting authority she knows you don’t have, and in her mind you are *daring* her to cut you down to size (men react to posturing from a position of weakness in a similar way, if you hadn’t noticed). Whether her eye’s wandering or not, that’s just a boring crazy downer.
Don’t give orders you can’t enforce, it’s weak and stupid.
To the unenlightened mind, everything about women seems paradoxical.
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Best comment in the threat (minus whatever GBFM said I’m pretty sure he’s a prophet)
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I second that. +1 props
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+1 respek
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+1 derrrp
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Dictatorship, proper standards and solid cultural norms would go a long way towards mitigating much of this dilemma. That and corporal punishment for violators.
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My wife and mother to my children is a bit of a cunt sometimes. I told her that i don’ta shit if she leaves but if she tries to take my kids or kick me out of my own house that all joking aside i would cut her up into small pieces and toss her into an old quarry. But only after i did the same to her parents for raising such a brat.
A few days later i got a knife in the mail and said “see this? It’s long enough to hit your brain stem from your chin, your heart from your chest and will slide between ribs. Now use it for dinner”
Maybe a little psycho but conning from a recovering beta it shut her up
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Saddam Hussein game. Warm and mushy and cozy I would love to visit your house for some tea & biscuits.
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I’ll bring the single malt Scotch and the marmalade.
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“This is also why excessive PDA is beta.”
Indeed. Last year before I had found the wisdom of CH I had been chasing a HB8. Finally I got to take her out for a date. I was so pleased with myself I lost frame and did major PDA. I could nearly see the disgust welling up in her eyes. That was the first and last time she went out with me. Lesson learned: never do PDA again, no matter how hot she is.
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PDA you can get away with without losing frame is inversely proportional to her hotness. HB8 or better = treat her like a dog with contagious skin rash in public/a disposable fucktoy in private. She is not special. You are special.
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Yeah in my betaness I thought the hotter the girl the more you show them you like them, WRONG
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That was the first and last time she went out with me.
There’s your problem.
I’m imagining it was the pussy type of PDA as well, because when I meet up with a chick for a day 2 or whatever, I’m all about trying to escalate in whatever way I can — it’s her job to stop it. All chicks universally seem to love this, in my experience, and in the experience of this blog.
Anyway, if it’s your first time going out with her keep it light, unless you’re escalating.
The OP seems to be more about relationship game. How to behave after you’ve already banged them
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Thanks Scray, it was the first proper ‘date’ as such. Had several makeout sessions before that day but none since. All is not completely lost I think as the last time I saw her I was with another girl (HB7) and I kept catching her looking over jealously. I don’t feel the need to reinitiate anything, I’ve too many other plates spinning at the minute. But she might…
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Let’s really unwrap this, here:
You had several makeout sessions before, but then you took her on a date? I don’t understand.
If I make out with a chick and meet up with her again, the next time we meet up we’re fucking. And we’re meeting up at my place. It’s like you took a step backwards.
Also, I disagree about letting them know you like them. In my experience, letting her know you dig her is a good move. Just say she looks good or something. I mean, let her know you like her without being a faggot.
The coolest thing about the hotter girls I’m noticing is that you can joke with them a little more. Like, with an 8 I can say shit like (while they’re eating or something) ‘Wow. Ever since you ate that fry you really let yourself go. Fuck, you’re fat as hell now. …well, it’s okay….just put some more weight on those thighs, fatty, let me know what I’ll be working with in 10 years or so — it’s only fair.’
Less attractive girls will get butthurt over stuff like that. I mean you can bring it back and whatever, but still…
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Text her: Just one word …. Schmoopie.
See what kind of response you get. Report back.
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The fact you call it a “date” is already showing beta tendencies. I never go on dates..I hang out, meet for drinks and throw in a dinner, or go to a museum and hang out and walk around. “date” immediately puts a girl in to the idea of being a prize, conversation is stilted around where this is going….
Good learning.
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Only PDAs they should be allowed in public are,
1. A nice firm slap on the ass
2. Farting on her
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that*
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It wasnt the PDA that ruined things. There is nothing that will dry up a womans vag faster then being beta. Once a woman perceives a guy as being beta there is almost nothing a guy can do to reverse that. So a PDA is not the issue, the issue is that she perceived you as being beta. These days one does not need to go on a date with a woman. The closest thing I do to a date is meeting them at a park. Do not waste your time on dinner/movie stuff, or planning something elaborate, because there is a decent chance she will never show. Secondly, women see dates as a sign of weakness. Meeting for drinks is ok, but most of the time I can seal the deal just texting. If a woman will not reciprocate sexualized texts then chances are she is not that interested in you.
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“Once a woman perceives a guy as being beta there is almost nothing a guy can do to reverse that.”
Haha, this old chestnut? All you gotta do is DHV enough to force a reevaluation. I’ve popped into and out of the friend zone at will.
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It was more of a ‘hangout’ than a date, I just picked her up and we went to the coast for a drive. It was her idea actually, I spent no money apart from fuel.
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The act of worrying about your girl cheating on you increases the odds that she’ll do it by 90 %.
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i’ve seen different opinions on this, so i’m just curious– i can definitely put it out of mind with the knowledge that i can replace her. but to really not worry, i sort of also end up not caring about her as much, in that i’ve begun moving past her in my mind already.
so is that just a problem with me, or is that normal? can you really be 100% into a chick and still be ready to walk at the drop of a hat?
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if you are 100% into a chick, you have already lost.
thats the paradox you need to reconcile.
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Yes.
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” …can you really be 100% into a chick and still be ready to walk at the drop of a hat?”
No.
You’re investing too much of yourself in them.
This is why you always keep ( at least ) two in the kitty.
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Learn to be 100% into two or more girls at a time…it’s not difficult at all
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People who think it’s possible to give 200% don’t understand percentages very well.
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Wow, like I really didn’t see that one coming!
Obviously you don’t have children…
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And now you’re 0 for 3 .
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Devastated…you win…
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I fucking love this thread. Lolz.
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I would say, 60% (30% each plate) and the rest is just your own life and time
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can you really be 100% into a chick and still be ready to walk at the drop of a hat
What do you mean by 100%?
If by 100% you mean care about or love her and also be ready to walk, then yes.
If by 100% you mean she is your life, then no.
Instead of looking at it as ‘being ready to walk,’ just look at it as letting go of any need to control what she does. It’ll free you up.
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There are entire cultures built around mate guarding (e.g., Afghan, various Arab cultures). The burka and other forms of women’s covering is nothing more than mate guarding on their part. They will tell you that a “real man” wants his female to be covered from the eyes of other men who may desire her.
[CH: It’s possible that culture influences how women perceive the status of men who mate guard.]
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talk about the worst of all worlds. no wonder their kids blow themselves up at the chance of 72 raisins.
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That’s the irony. They have the most sexually repressed societies on the planet too. You have guys masturbating from being accidentally touched by women in Mecca during the Hajj
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Yeah, but she was really fine.
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They also managed to drive us out of their countries even though we have far superior weapons and tactics. That should tell us they are doing at least one thing right.
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Well, the European empires conquered the Middle East without trouble. Inventing gunpowder and ocean-going ships makes things easier. You are talking about the Israeli lobby’s ordered invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, though, two countries that dared support the Palestinians. (President Hussein was staunchly anti-Islamist, had Christians in high positions in his government, invaded Iran with U.S. funding. But he gave money to the families of suicide bombers, whose homes with all their belongings were destroyed with one hour’s notice by the Israeli occupiers. If living in an apartment the entire apartment building was destroyed. For giving money to these families, the Israeli lobby demanded that Iraq be crushed.)
Of course, the U.S., or Western Europe, could easily defeat any Middle Eastern, African or South American country, and most Asian ones. But we are suffused by socialist and Christian morality, so that people balk at the idea of conquering territy and holding it by driving out the tribes living there. Thanks to the media owners, who don’t allow any philosophy that has the goal of favoring the West. So when the Zionists demand that the U.S. target another country (after having supported the antikultur that says Westerners should never be allowed to fight), you get this weird situation where Westerners are fighting with their hands tied, without clearing and taking territory because the fight is not on behalf of the West. Therefore Western soldiers die in the thousands, and commit suicide in far larger numbers, the ones who don’t become alcoholics and junkies. All of this, of course, is only a bonus in the Lobby’s calculations. Meanwhile they advocate filling the towns the veterans live in with mass immigration, further darkening their lives. GI Joe’s are the world’s biggest dupes.
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Of course, the U.S., or Western Europe, could easily defeat any Middle Eastern, African or South American country, and most Asian ones. But we are suffused by socialist and Christian morality, so that people balk at the idea of conquering territy and holding it by driving out the tribes living there.
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Thats one description of the limiting component of racial behavior. But a better one is peoples understanding that a beast who grows larger and more powerful off the flesh and blood of others will eventually turn on its own masters and ultimately consume itself in one final ironic hostility festival.
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Hey Worker!
Poccna! Poccna!
At least one European country is currently expanding their Lebensraum.
Also, the European countries didn’t easily conquer the Middle East.
The Middle East and North Africa were not really easily conquered by the Europeans.
At least until the U.S.A. kicked the hell out of the Barbary Pirates and the Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs and Russians weakened significantly the Otoman empire.
If you were an European, an Arbeiter, you would know your Gesichste.
But, as you are probabily just one more American who thinks he’s got all figured out, you still keep showing that you do not know as much as you think you do.
Few European countries would be able to occupy a part of Brazil in a direct military confrontation. Think about it.
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The reason despite our superior weapons we can not win is because we fight limited wars.
The idea of limited war began around the time liberalism started infecting everything in the 1960s
the first time it was done was in Vietnam
President Johnson created a long list of targets and times of day the US was not allowed to shoot or bomb bad guys.
ever since that day all wars are fought that way; with a long list of things we are not allowed to do while our enemies shoot at us from school roofs or from red cross vehicles
It is impossible to fight with one hand tied behind your back and blindfolded, while your enemy is allowed everything – even not respecting the Geneva convention and using Red cross vehicles to carry weapons – , yet that is how the USA has been fighting wars ever since the 1960s
We ( by “we” I mean Nato nations but of course I know it is the USA that does 95% of the hard work in all recent wars) have self imposed strict rules that make us a toothless dog, while our enemy do what the hell they want
that is why we are not winning anymore
liberals wanted us to play nice/fight clean “humane” wars and these are the results; we never win anymore
Had we fought limited wars back in the 1940s we would have never defeated Germany nor the Japanese
It has nothing to do with how good our enemies are at fighting wars, if the USA fought like it did in WWII – almost zero restrictions – our enemies would be defeated in a couple of months.
There is almost nothing that has been made better trough liberalism and the idea of limited war is one of the atrocities liberals are responsible for.
Liberalism is a mental disease
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Our nightclubs are getting invaded by Middle Eastern men who manage to be gameless omegas and violent thugs at the same time. Somehow I don’t find it very surprising.
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yeah, but they vote democrat, so opening the flood gates to weirdo foreigners is worth it to libs across the former first world.
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as i bouncer I’ll agree with that. most of them smell like the annals of my asshole
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A tedious read, no doubt.
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Greg’s killing it today. I think I’ll start dating him again.
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The only thing you’ll get a date with is the orthodontist.
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That one did not fall flat on me
it’s actually quite funny
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Middle Eastern men have so little game because their wives are essentially given to them in arranged marriages. Thus there is no “game” needed AT ALL. If she gets out of line? Just beat her. An alpha definitely doesn’t need to beat a woman to keep her in line.
But when they come over here they are completely flummoxed because they have no idea how to win over a woman in even the most rudimentary way. They LOVE white women yet know little about pulling them. The ones with cash will throw it around and eventually find some escort to sleep with him for a couple of minutes.
The sexual repression can not be overlooked either. Imagine living in a country where ALL the women are covered up and then watching TV and seeing hot, uncovered women (the most popular show in Iran for many years was Baywatch). Then imagine those guys coming to the U.S where all the restrictions are gone. They invade the club as you stated.
They eventually talk some naive girl into marrying him; she converts to Islam, bears his children, gains weight, covers up and lives a sad life ever after…
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Mate guarding or the oldest form of sunscreen? Less sun damage and wrinkles can’t be all bad 🙂
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None of you troglodytes better make fun of Kate.
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What a pretty smiley face. Is that a self portrait?
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Alas, I have wrinkles 🙂 I always said the sun was my only vice. How foolish I was to have only one! And yet, people who don’t age naturally due to botox, HGH, surgery, or some portrait in their attic simply don’t look right to me.
Burkas are seen by the west as a sign of oppression. But if we shift the direction of our thinking ever so slightly to the east, aren’t they really a form of protection? Not only from the environment but from the noisome gaze of interlopers?
The objections arise from women (either within or without the culture) who are not with a man they readily forgo all others for. To them, such symbols mean imprisonment. To a woman in love, its always a different matter.
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A load of codswallop.
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my suspicion is that even with burkas on the men can still tell the hotties from the fugs.
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Probably 🙂
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They also marry their cousins.
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This. I knew some semi-prole Italian chicks 20 years ago who humble-bragged about how jealous their husbands were.
Your culture is probably not like that. I think there was an implied expectation of a bad ass-beating if they got out of line. That just might make her respect your jealousy as an “alpha” trait.
Or maybe i misread the whole thing.
That generation is old now, anyhow.
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They didn’t want to be kissing Nat King Cole.
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Forgot to mention that female genital mutilation also has its origins in mate guarding. The idea is that if the woman has no clitoris (and thus no sexual desire) then she will not stray. Mate guarding at its logical conclusion is pretty ugly thing
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Forgot to mention that worrying about big black cocks all the time also has its origins in mate guarding. The idea is that if the white man keeps the black man down, then she will not stray. Mate guarding at its logical conclusion is pretty ugly thing.
Plus it makes you look flaccid.
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but where is female genital mutilation happening….Africa, so who is doing mate guarding?
Most white guys don’t want a mudshark, so no mate guarding there, just finding a different woman….which is in fact the opposite thing completely, that’s abundance mentality.
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I think he’s just checking her pulse.
In her leg.
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I DO mate guard in dangerous places, but that’s a different kind of guarding — that’s “protectiing” and not “guarding”. (In my wife’s case, she’s generally as well-armed as I am anyway.)
In social situations, you should never “mate guard” for the simple reason that it’s demeaning for both parties: you’re showing her that you don’t trust her, and you’re also revealing your insecurity about her (which is poison to any relationship).
This should all be taken care of at the very beginning of a relationship, whereby you lay down the rules. One of said rules is “there’s a difference between being sociable and flirting, and I know exactly what the difference is. The first is fine, the second is cause for good-bye, no exceptions. If some guy’s hitting on you, I expect you to deal with it; if you don’t, I’ll assume you’re okay with it, and I walk. No second chances, and drunkenness is no excuse.”
Incidentally, whenever a woman wants to “talk about our relationship”, that should be a good time to talk about rules. If you add a rule every time she wants one of those chats, she’ll soon lose the urge, which is a double benefit for you.
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“Incidentally, whenever a woman wants to “talk about our relationship”, that should be a good time to talk about rules. ”
God, the dreaded “let’s talk.” If you are married, it means “I’ve been talking to a divorce attorney.” If you hear those words, it’s time to start hiding your assets. If you aren’t married, the best rule that I can think of is to say to her, “If you don’t like our relationship, there’s the door. There are more fish in the sea.” Anything else is playing into her frame. Life to too short to have to listen to your woman bitch and moan about your faults.
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Nomen, I agree. The point is to make the “relationship talk” so unpleasant for her that she avoids them. Note: you can ALWAYS find fault with her. So when she starts with the “let’s talk” bullshit, agree and say, “Me first. I’ve been wanting to tell you a couple of things for a long time.” Then dump the kitchen sink on her — i.e. put her on the defensive and (in PUA-speak), make her play in your frame. Do that every time, and I guarantee the results.
As for the relationship talk in marriage, you shouldn’t ever have them. Never. If she brings it up, ask her: “Are you SURE you want to do this?” and then if yes, unload on her as above.
I’m gonna be frank, here. Examining a relationship is a really good way to kill it, in the same way that cutting open a human being to see how it works will also kill it. If she doesn’t understand that, you probably need to walk to the Relationship Exit. Women want to analyze everything, without realizing the consequences. What men need to do is suppress these childish urges (for childish they are).
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She should only be “analyzing” subjects you approve. Her “thoughts” are poison to her and everyone around her. Once she submits, her list of grievances will disappear and she’ll be thrilled to drop to her knees based on your wink.
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Smart strategy here playing offense is the only way to win that. If it’s worth winning at all (like you said move on if it isn’t)
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Like seeing sausage made.
to paraphrase Socrates: An examined relationship is not worth having.
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Hey Kim Too Tight, you’re a smart one. I was just talking to a Filipina who I like and I spanked her for mentioning money ( a bunch are parasitic and I won’t deal with them at all.)
She was all insulted, she wasn’t asking for money from _me_ (supposedly) so I backed off and said in a cross-cultural ( i’m a librul) relationship there’s going to be some misunderstanding.
She started talking about “Being too young” , which after reading your post I realized is code for “This isn’t totally frivolous fun!” which is about the most complex thing women can understand.
“Let’s act like everything is totally frivolous fun!!”
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Good points. Another common desire is to “talk about where our relationship is going”. When I hear this it means time to leave.
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“RT @LaidNYC: I lay out the case for an @heartiste donation drive freenortherner.com/2014/03/21/ent… 12 minutes ago”
I’m all for a heartiste donation as heartiste regularly reminds readers to use their reading comprehension skills 🙂 Purple pill- in my original conception of it- is about progression NOT regression. Its about going beyond red pill. Once you go red, the only way to go back is to reject all you have learned. To go beyond, you must both ACCEPT what you have learned and use that as your foundation. From there you can do anything you want: you can live entirely red or you can master what you previously couldn’t from blue.
To believe that it is all only a transition from one set of thinking to another set of thinking is just far too simplistic. There are an endless series of caves to come out of. Its not one and done. Its all shadows until the Augenblick.
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….he’s created a potent anti-feminist/pro-masculine subculture…..
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God I hate you. Where’s gas buttox? !
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What a silly waste of time. I insist you take the night off and have fun!
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The key for men is to reach that elevated state of mind where you don’t care enough to mate guard.
Otherwise known as “not giving a fuck.”
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Mate guarding is a defensive measure. Always be on offense. If someone moves in on your girl and you and your girl don’t like it, use YaReally’s AMOG techniques. If your girl seems to be enjoying the new dude’s attention, fuck her – she’s un-guard-worthy.
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If someone moves in on your girl and you and your girl don’t like it, use YaReally’s AMOG techniques
If your girl doesn’t like it, you can just leave or tell the guy to fuck off. AMOG techniques are useful to DLV another guy — usually useful more in the beginning stages of attraction, when you and her aren’t solid yet. Whenever you get to like A3/Comfort-ish….you really won’t need much AMOG stuff.
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I was with my girl in a LTR for 3 years. She asked me if she could go on a university exchange for a year, expecting me to say no because all of her friends had boyfriends tell them NO.
I straight up told her to go, she was like “does not compute”
I even helped her with application and visa process etc.
(btw, this earned huge bonus points with like ALL OF HER GIRLFRIENDS not being possessive)
She’s on exchange, I started hanging out with even more girls (no I didn’t cheat) who post on my wall, go out, send me texts, pick up Skype while in their presence.
End result: Her telling me she doesn’t like me hanging out with that many girls. Her texting me novels. Her calling, sending me pics and nudes all the time. Her asking me more if I love her and miss her. Her telling me she’s jealous and counting down days till I come to visit her. Her offering to pay for a part of my ticket there.
My logic: if I plan the LTR to continue and evolve, I have to at least trust her to go on an exchange and not screw around. If she cheats and I find out, no probs, time for a new one. If I don’t find out then whatever, I’ll either find out eventually or it was a one time thing which she could’ve just as easily pull off back home with me here – so fuck it. If she doesn’t cheat she’s a real keeper.
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I’d say take the next step and just let it all go. Expect that she will cheat and not give a fuck. Lose any need to control any of her actions. I mean, you’re already well on the way — you let her go without being a bitch. You flirted/hung out with other girls, etc.
Just the next step: truly letting go of control. Trust is less important because monogamy is a ridiculous expectation anyway. Expect nothing from her. If you behave as though she’s a person you care about who came into your life in this moment — and that’s all it is from day to day — that’s when they seem to become insanely devoted.
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Just sayin’
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Only girls use the term “cheat” for fucking….
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Had the exact same experience w/ GF on exchange – and held the same attitude – It worked out pretty well – but I made a few mistakes – so a lesson learned for your consideration:
Travel is exciting, even mundane things hold a sense of adventure. It broadens your perspective, right? So when she returns – familiar things will be comforting – but she’ll be new wine in an old skin. So:
Re: “if I plan the LTR to continue and evolve” – No ifs – make your plans and set them in motion. Set broad strokes – have a time-line ask her for help with some details – Be the most dynamic person in a familiar landscape.
Be a wholly new animal in bed. Whatever your repertoire was – it needs an entire rework. This is the harness the jealousy part – and her hamster will spin out of control for wondering where you learned those new tricks.
You’ll be dealing with the detachment / distance of an unshared experience. Make her relive it – surf in her emotions.
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Hold on,
what about those old movies where couples are ballroom dancing and another guy is allowed to ask if he can dance with the girl?
and he lets him.
is it the girl or guy who makes the decision?
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As I recall in the movies, it’s the man who makes the decision. Back in the silver screen days the roles of men and women were still generally respected, so the woman having a say in the “Do you mind if I cut in” would have been culturally unacceptable if she’d done it *before* her male partner.
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The roots of our current social-cultural predicament run deep. The YKW propagandists of a century ago were not bequeathed the reins of the propaganda machine willy nilly.
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Dancer asks guy if he can ask girl to dance. If answer is yes, he then asks girl. Do this a lot. Sometimes I get hostile looks from stupid guys sitting with their girl at a table near the dance floor.
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I am reminded of the picture of Steve McQueen (IIRC) having his arm casually draped over some blonde, as analyzed by the host here. That image being the proper posture.
But also, what about alpha male mate guard confrontation. I vaguely recall during some movie award pre-show where Jack Black was psuedo-macking on Jennifer Garner and then Ben Affleck enters frame and stares down Jack. Jack gets psuedo flustered, very entertaining.
There’s something to that. Eventually, an alpha would take offense, right?
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Any man who is intimidated by Ben Affleck is automatically disqualified from being alpha, right off the bat.
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In the Fuzzy-Wuzzy community these details of etiquette and social niceties are generally settled by recourse to a dueling pistol or two, rendering such quandaries a moot point.
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Good call Laguna Beach Fogey. That is why I suggested what I did.
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I don’t think mate guarding is beta if it’s not over the top you’re willing and able to back it with physical force.
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Why put effort via physical force when you can simply get another girl?
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If you let any man come and take your stuff on the basis that you can get more…that’s submissive.
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I agree…
Although there have been times I’ve let people take slight advantage of me over money, as a test.
Money’s one thing I could always make more of.
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You think betas don’t get into fights or huffing and puffing matches over girls?
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Exactly. Betas can be some of the most aggressively violent men on the planet. I’m violent, but defensively. There is nothing in the world that I need to get that mad about that I need to go out and start a fight. But I’ll end one, decisively, and if you pull too much shit and go full retard to the extent that I believe my life is in jeopardy, in a way that your next of kin will not appreciate.
Come to think of it, every single fight I’ve seen guys get into, outside of theft/money issues, is over some ditzy bint in a skirt. Extreme mate guarding, or some form of it. Losers.
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Betas fight over girls. Girls fight over alphas.
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Perfect.
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+1
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Rewritten: Betas guard girls. Alphas get guarded by girls.
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yup
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lzolzozll internet tuff guy. How many men you kilt?
I GUARANTEE you the answer is zero.
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No, for the most part they don’t. They’ll get mad but they won’t do anything about it. There are some guys that act aggressive and tough who are overcompensating but for the most part betas are pussies.
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male hamster need some exercise?
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No I don’t think so, I just have a more balanced view.
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Hear hear. A terretorial defense policy of “lol, we didn’t want that land anyway” is bound to fail. There is a balance, that isn’t either creepy possessive or casting off all possessions ambivalency, that can be struck. Our humble host addresses this with his closing caveat.
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That’s not what I am advocating. However, to preen, pose, and act ready to fight or actually fight because some AMOG is coming on to your girl is ridiculous. Sure, your girl will love it that men are fighting over her — what an ego boost! Well good for you for giving her an ego boost, but massaging her ego not what gets her wet for you. Handle the guy with a smile on your face by destroying him with ridicule. Humiliate him and make him slink away. Most will. If he comes at your fists a-flying, that’s OK, because the humiliated loser struck blindly out of impotent rage. The beauty of this is … even if you lose the fight, you WIN.
You have just proven yourself a man. It is the sign of a false alpha if you start off belligerent from get-go. Generally, it means you are either 18 years old or an insecure beta.
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If a skank gets you into a fight isn’t that strong signal that is time for “Next”?
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“Hear hear. A terretorial defense policy of “lol, we didn’t want that land anyway” is bound to fail.”
Land doesn’t think for itself. I can’t say “fuck off creep” or walk away on its own. It can’t make eyeballs toward you or mention its boyfriend. Land can’t learn decorum or principles. It doesn’t feel loyalty. Land can’t lose respect for you if you act too needy.
Your land metaphor is horrendous.
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i never put my hands on a girl unless its a signal that I’m gonna fuck her, or I’m getting ready to bang her.
m/f and human relationships are simple husbandry gentleman, and you don’t pet your meat. (pun intended)
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At some point another man hitting on your girlfriend in front of you with full knowledge is a personal insult.
Once it becomes disrespect of me he has a problem.
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If you can think of nothing else, I find starting with this question to be good: “Dude, what do you think you are doing?” It opens up all sorts of possibilities, done of which are good for him if you keep your wits about you.
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*none of which are good for him
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I like this
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Fighting over a woman is like fighting over a steak. The simplest way to handle some other guy hitting on your woman is to say to her: “It’s time to go. Coming?”
Her response will tell you all you need to know.
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I would beat a man unconscious or worse for trying to steal my steak, I have left people laying in bushes over an insult many times.
Disrespect me I will definitely disrespect him back, if he continues I will hit him.
I like to fight so its no problem.
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John: unless your life’s at stake [sic], fighting is adolescent. You treat fighting like it’s a playground thing, when it’s a very adult activity. Your urge to fight will end, eventually, when you grow out of it or when the guy you want to fight pulls a gun — as I would if some asshole challenged me to a fight over his “honor”. YOU might be willing to die for your honor and if that’s true, at some point someone bigger or meaner than you will probably be happy to oblige you. Of all the things worth dying for, honor is the most ridiculous.
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Lets not be histrionic here. Unless we are talking a fight that breaks out in a Florida cul-de-sac monitored by a Jewish White Hispanic, physical altercations usually don’t result in shots fired. Generally, you are talking getting bounced out of a place. No big deak
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Honor is the only thing worth dying for.
Fortunately for me this never happens.
Hit, fall down, it’s over.
Gun? I just take it.
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Like I said, Mr. South, you’ll outgrow this phase. Unless someone meaner than you stops it for you before then.
Unfortunately, dying for one’s own honor is just one step on the road to “honor killings” — such as those practised by our more primitive friends in the Middle East and such. It requires individual and societal maturity to end the nonsense.
Hope it goes well for you.
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I’m too old to outgrow shit and I’ll never learn a godammed thing.
Muslims have the right ideas about women but I’ll never bow to them.
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Fighting for a steak makes sense. For a woman it doesn’t.
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Yeah, well what if she’s cooking it at the time?
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He can have her if she’ll let him. I’ll take the steak though.
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Sigh and alas… yet another jest fallen flat!
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“Sigh and alas… yet another jest fallen flat!”
That lass was flat-jested.
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Better have an alternative ready if you put her to the test. Be flirting with other women where she can see it.
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lol. if it takes more than a stern look, you lost twinki
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Chastity belts are beta.
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A man who mate guards is a man who hasn’t been in enough relationships. If you’re doing it right, the women you date should get more and more beautiful as you work your way through them. A confident man doesn’t safe guard, because he knows if this one disqualifies herself, there is a more attractive one waiting to come off the assembly line.
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That.
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Her: I’m cutting you off.
Him: You can’t… you don’t know where I’m getting it.
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“You’re not having sex tonight!”
“Well, not with you anyway”
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Brilliant!
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+1 for Mission Impossible reference.
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“It’s not your pussy, just your turn.” Can’t “guard” something that you never owned or will in the first place.. Peace of mind > piece of ass..
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The reframing is you like to see it because it boosts your ego even further that all these guys are wishing they could get what you already have.
The beta male is scared shitless because a bigger stud is moving into his territory.
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For the experts,
Thomas Jefferson noted that there was a natural aristocracy among men. I know that height and looks are not everything, but generally speaking, tall broad-shouldered men have a natural advantage with women, all other things being equal. Sure, lots of tall, athletic men are beta. But physically, there seems to be 10-20% of white men who are physically superior to other men. There are 40-50% of men in the middle, and 10-20% of tiny little weaklings.
Getting to my question…if a man is physically in the beta category: 5′ 10″, ok looks, good job but not wealthy, sociable and well-liked but not famous…would it be more advantageous for this natural beta to project a lessor alpha vibe, or should he try to go as full alpha as possible?
I’m concerned that full alpha would appear incongruent and try-hard. Thoughts?
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‘should he try to go as full alpha as possible’
That’s your answer. And yes, it will appear incongruent and tryhard at first. Over time, however, that’ll just become who you are.
A visual example that might help:
imagine a ‘tiny little weakling,’ then imagine the same small-framed guy with 20 pounds of added muscle. Difference is night and day. The same goes for being ‘normal’ and ‘going full alpha.’
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I’m also a physical beta. My impression is that having an alpha ‘tude is the way to go, but you have to practice it for a while. If you’re newly starting, it may seem try-hard simply because you’re a newb.
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Was Jefferson’s notion of a natural aristocracy based on physical measurements? I’d guess a guy like Jefferson was talking about intellect or character.
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The fondling fathers were all oil drillers and pedophiles; thats why so many black people have last names like “Jefferson”, WASHINGTON, Jackson…
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You could just as easily argue that George Washington adopted a bunch of darkies because he was infertile himself.
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I hear what you’re saying Corvinus but you and I both know that ol Georgie got tired of lookin at that fat droopy pale cottage cheese Martha Washington ass and instead often looked out the window to set his gaze on the firm nubile “Etiopian” daughters he had produced 13 years ago…
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Bonehead… they jes’ natcherly took the names of the plantation owners.
For every one half-breed due to mating with the massah ante bellum there were 10K+ mischlings produced in the shanty towns post bellum, where poor white trash (today’s “skanks”) and negroes mixed quite freely.
THAT’S where y’all got your white blood from, not the founding fathers and their ilk… the landed aristocracy never looked upon miscegenation with any sort of favor, just the opposite.
You and your Cathedral shills been watching too many Mandingo movies.
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Sally *cough* Hemings
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Congratulations, Sherlock… you found the exception… and that, gleefully touted by the Cathedral.
And for the record, the jury’s still out on whether she went with Tommy or his goofy brother, the latter being known as a harmonica playing no-account who liked to hang with the help. (true: look it up)
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Strom *cough* Thurmond
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Strom Thurmond was a Founding Father?
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Obviously one can find throughout history the occasional mating of white man and negro woman.
Now, refresh my memory on the topic at hand… this has what to do with the widespread raping children?
You know, the sort of behavior that is endemic amongst YOUR ilk (both back then and to this day)?
Geez, projection hamster really projects these days!
*cough*
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It would have been black women seeking out white overseers.
Also blacks raped a lot back then too. It’s what they do. There is statistically speaking zero incidents of white men raping blacks.
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10 year old black females seeking out 50 year old white men for what?
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Riiiiiiiiight… the “massah” was raping ten year olds, but those long-suffering and highly moral darkies that surrounded them never touched ’em… just like today, in the ghetto.
That’s it, thwack… your inanities are starting to throw a stench up to God. I’m about as done pounding you into the ground as George Kennedy was with Paul Newman.
But in this case, your nuthin’ AIN’T a real cool hand.
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During slavery, was there an “SPCN”; Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Negroes?
Think about it, if the master owns you, can’t he do anything he wants with you? If he rapes you, who are you going to tell, and what can they do about it?
In addition, if you are a ten year old girl and you refuse to suck the masters dick, he can threaten to sell your mother down the river, or rape your little brother…
What could a 10 year old do?
Im pretty sure the master would be held liable for any crime the slave committed, but what if the crime was committed against the slave?
And,
and,
what if the slave master was your father?
What if the slave master was Jeffrey Dhamer.
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thwack,
Slaves were actually treated better than you think.
Feast your brown eyes on the voluminous Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers’ Project, 1936-1938.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
I have my copies, do you have your’s?
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N166er sho’ ’nuff can babble.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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women test for weakness above all. gone (for a while) is the need of a woman to be protected by the most fit man, so the locus of attraction necessarily shifts to attitude and projected and internalized confidence.
ur asking the wrong questions.
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5’10” is physically beta? Sounds a bit extreme.
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Fake it till you make it … it’s all in your mind … Fake it till you make it … it’s all in your mind … Fake it till you make it … it’s all in your mind … Fake it till you make it … it’s all in your mind … Fake it till you make it … it’s all in your mind
I have not achieved anything without supreme confidence that it was within my right and within my ability.
Anything I went for wishy-washy, I bombed miserably.
YMMV
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Don’t follow the advice on this blog…
It ruined my perfectly good relationship with a modest girl and now I’m stuck with a model/actress who stopped dating 4 other guys for me. You were warned!
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LOL so you treated a nice girl like shit when she didn’t deserve it, and now it’s somebody else’s fault? Someone needs to grow up.
The key to advice is knowing when to follow it, and when to ignore it.
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Not used to satire huh?
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i think he was being sarcastic
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Oh, and “model/acctress” is not the way to bet when it comes to any kind of future happiness. Just look at the stats. If she was dating four other guys, what makes you think that isn’t going to re-occur at some point?
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Yep. You don’t want a girlfriend/wife who is an 8 or higher. The first 2 months are a rush, and then it quickly gets miserable. Particularly if she’s young. I’m dating an older girl now (early 30s), who could be an 8 on many guys’ scales. I’d put her at 7, only because her face isn’t as fresh as it once was. Porn star body. But she is way easier to deal with than the 21 year old and occasionally not annoying to hang around with after we screw.
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Yeah I got into a fight in Oslo twice over a lovely Blonde girlfriend. The bitch appears in retrospect to have been slyly encouraging it.
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Damn, she must have been something, to get those modern-day squareheads to put up their dukes.
Or were you walking through the Arab section?
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It was a lumbering scarf aced dock worker.
I was shitting myself. Ah the drama of a woman 12-15 years younger than yourself.
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Not really. Norwegians have a bit of Irish in them. Most of the gene flow was Norway-to-Ireland, but not all of it.
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Psh. Science says all of ya’ll are wrong, as quoted in this blog. This is all just more insecurity. Of course hotter girls will be seeing more men — more men (exponentially) will be giving them more attention, and (almost counter-intuitively), less of the men she’s seeing will be getting some, if any at all, play.
You get a hot wife, you get motivation to stay tight.
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It did? Please, do tell!
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Important study. Fathers parenting style determines wether the daughter gets fat:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/firm-dads-lead-way-for-kids-in-fat-fight/2007/05/05/1177788466104.html
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This would make complete sense.
It would also tie in to the apparent preference of men for manjaws in the West: because they’re in better shape than more feminine women. Manjaws have alpha fathers, and slender girls have alpha fathers.
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I guard my mates’ mates for ’em… but I’m the kind o’ guy who likes to mix it up, on occasion… the stress keeps me young.
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Easiest way for me to take your girlfriend is for you to be mate-guarding her.
The very notion of mate-guarding implies that to you, there are other men around who are higher value than you that your girl would fuck (because of Hypergamy), which by default implies that you see yourself as lower value than some of the men you are mate-guarding her from…because if you KNEW you were super high-value, better than any other man in the room, you wouldn’t have to mate-guard because you would know your girl wasn’t going to ditch you for one of them (again because of Hypergamy). So mate-guarding instantly establishes that you view other men in the room as potentially higher-value than you, and, since girls ping off their environment to know what to feel (which is why if you say “hi” confidently, she’ll love you but if you say it like you’re worried you’re creepy, she’ll be creeped out, she’s pinging off you and her friends responses to you to know how to feel), when she pings off you she’s going to get the message that “there are potentially higher-value men in this room” and her Hypergamy is going to instinctively start looking for who those higher-value men are. What higher-value means to her is unique to her outside of the basic hard-wired stuff (confidence, social proof, etc.)…like she may have a bad reference experience with a rich boyfriend who snubbed her for his career too much so you being rich doesn’t necessarily make you high-value to her, but the point is that she’ll start looking for her high-value triggers.
So the instant you mate-guard, that entire paragraph above this sentence flashes through my head in a millisecond and I completely have the upper-hand because I know you down to your core, especially based on HOW you mate-guard (does it seem insecure, angry/jealous, like you’d throw a punch, like you’re controlling, like you’re a big vagina pussy?) and then I read another huge chunk of information about you from that and calibrate (if you’re a pussy I can just talk directly to the girl, if you’re a big scary jealous guy I’ll talk to your buddies and make them like me, then you and make you like me, all the while indirectly DHV’ing my value to your girl).
Once you’ve indicated to us all that you don’t think you’re the highest value man in the room, the absolute minimum that I need to get your girl is:
1) to make eye-contact with her for like, even just one second, because I’m communicating shit to her through my eye-contact/sub-comms
2) about a minute of isolation with her…isolation can simply be you having your back to her even tho she’s standing right beside you. I basically just need to be able to say stuff to her for about a minute. In that minute I’ll AMOG you to her, DHV myself to her, and use a super subtle #-close. She’ll get a txt at work the next day when you’re not around, and she’ll save my name as Jessica.
It’s that easy…and it’s that easy BECAUSE you mate-guarded and signaled to her and I that you don’t feel like you’re the highest-value man in the room. YOU, the mate-guarding guy, created that opportunity for me lol
How do you stop me?
Believe you’re the highest-value guy in the room and BE the highest-value guy in the room to her, because then she’ll see me as lower-value than you and her Hypergamy won’t let her cheat with me and you don’t have to mate-guard or anything…I’ve said before that the only type of girls that are impossible for me to get are the ones who are madly in love with their man and see him as the highest-value guy around.
And/or don’t let me get your girl alone in any way. Except that’s hard to do, because if you try to prevent me from getting your girl alone, you have to do mate-guarding things, which starts the chain of events that lead to my getting an opportunity to get her lol That’s why I encourage the former option (handle your shit and fully believe you’re the highest-value man in the room, even if that’s objectively delusional), because that’s the only secure method…trying to keep me from getting your girl alone is gambling. Even then, one tactic that’s been going around for a bit is to whisper into the girl’s ear quick “tell him I’m your gay friend”. She says it, because she’s intrigued, and you’re disarmed because “oh this is some gay co-worker or something” and let your guard down and, even right in front of you, he can say to the girl “oh I haven’t seen you in years, I don’t have your number anymore!” and get her phone number…all the ballsy opening and the fun intrigue/roleplay and everything is a huge DHV spike to her so if you’ve been a schlub in your relationship, she’ll go along with all this.
…which brings us back to, again: the best way to keep your girl from fucking other guys is to fully believe you’re higher-value than all of them, and personally work on becoming higher-value than all of them…don’t slack off on your relationship, ’cause all I need is a minute alone and some eye-contact and the YaReally boogeyman will get your girl lol
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This seems like….so advanced. Most everyone here is on step 1 — let go of the Disneyland fairytale beautiful angel princess girl that never had sex (or kinky sex) with anyone but you ever.
Here’s a question, tho. So, back in the day when it was more in the early stages of 7 and I’s relationship, I’d instigate drama. Like, maybe a good looking guy who showed interest in her so I would just do shit like say ‘ya she’s all yours’ and walk off.
Anyway, she’s still around and everything…..and sometimes when I do see her she says she misses shit like that. And when it did happen she always SEEMED to go for it — chase after me etc. and shouting matches (tho I’m not proud of that).
I don’t do it now because I’m fast approaching a ‘let go of all control’ state of inner game. But I’m wondering why me mate guarding worked out ‘well.’ It shouldn’t have…it was butthurt and mean at times and obviously insecure and reactive. Or maybe it didn’t work out well and I just can’t see the big picture.
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Easiest way for me to take your girlfriend is for you to be mate-guarding her.
And you talk like a stupid muh-dikker…
Easiest way for you to get your face rearranged is to talk shit like this in the real world.
Now, give us one of those “lol”s, dweeb.
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Talk shit in the real world such as “tell him I’m your gay friend”. The Matthew Shepard “hate crime” has been debunked and revealed to be a malicious robbery.
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i meet less than 1 guy a week who i know will fight. men today are total vaginas. nobody is rearranging shit
BUT in reality ive let a guy hit me because of his insecurities. it can work well if u have a hard head lol. his GF not only got me back to my hotel, but cleaned me up then made me messy again. he wasn’t happy, but a clueless simp so who cares?
meh.
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..but wouldn’t the stronger more alpha men have the prettier girls…you know…the ones you don’t fuck with…..
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hellllllll no. the mercenary heart of a woman is forced to settle when 95% of women are chasing 5% of men.
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I’ve fucke girls who’s boyfriends were half a foot taller than me. One girl I would bang in her house while her 6’3 boyfriend was in the garage for band practice. I’m a strong 5’10 by the way. Point being, I’m funny, socially adept and I’m a sneaky motherfucker. I relate a lot with yareally because I too have never been hit (besides by my dad, but even as I grew older I learned to avoid those beat downs). I’m always crossing the line but I’m never directly disrespectful. Unless of course I’m clowning the guy like a comedian does a heckler, then the crowd is already on my side anyway.
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..what if you kill 5 guys but the 6th kills you…this seems like it wouldn’t work for the average guy out there…of course if you scare all the other dicks off you win…but is this the best way to go….if the guy really if stupid it would be easier to tool him i would think….
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Always posting RSD stuff, but the majority of men reading these manosphere sites have consciously chosen to forgo RSD, for whatever reasons. Continually pushing them in this community has long begun to reek of severe lack of social calibration.
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If you don’t like it, don’t read it. I like it.
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why wait videos on ch? why not go watch on rsd site? seem properer on rsd site than on ch
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Always not going out and interacting with the real-world, but the majority of you boys on these manosphere sites have consciously to embrace your keyboard, for obvious reasons. Continuously showing your hand as a KJ in these parts has long begun to reek of someone who gets off on theory.
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..so you think in fact nothing can be learned from people who are not like you…i have found this not to be the case in life…what specifics do you have a problem with..start from there and then a point can be made…but just putting someone on blast who obviously has some skill is a little self-defeating to your overall message..don’t you think..
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@YaReally
I tried asking you in the other thread, but can you recommend any reading for me for Daygame?
Some of the stuff you’ve described in this post, the super subtle stuff, I’d like to look into it a bit more.
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@JohnnyBoy order Krauser’s book “Daygame Mastery”. Worth every penny. This is a step-by-step guide with clear explanations not only of what to do but why.
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…how much is every penny..
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I get what your saying. But everybody can’t be the guy with the highest value, yes? Are you saying that a room full of men and women, with all sorts of sub-communication going on could be a room where ALL the men are showing higher value. Isn’t by definition this a game of winners and losers? That some men will fall short EVEN IF they are doing a lot of the right things. Lets say you, who self-defines as a man who can display this value quite comfortably, is in a room full of men with either natural or acquired “boss-level” game abilities. At some point you might be out-gamed, yes? Do you have any stories where you felt guys had you beat, that they were better at this stuff than you? I feel like the story above is clearly showing you are in some sense outplaying that guy, can you be outplayed oh great one? Is part of having a strong frame in life knowing when you’ve got outplayed? But not letting it affect you negatively. And to swim in waters where you are the shark and not the prey? Presumably given your abilities there are few waters you would not be a shark in.
Perhaps i need to read more of your posts but my impression is that since your great game awakening your life has become a series of virtually inevitable successes. That due to your rock solid frame things, by definition, can’t go wrong. You instinctively know what to say and when to say it. Your boss-level game is so grounded into your person that there cant be any tail between the leg moments.
Another question, if everyone is trying to outgame everyone else, and “boyfriend-destroying” is universalized what sort of world would we be living in. I can’t envisage it being a pleasant one. Do you have any personal moral boundaries with regards to game and women? Or is it alls fair in love and war?
No doubt with your great psychological abilities you will know that I’m coming from an ugly place, a pace of inferiority, doubt, yearning, envy, insecurity. All that victimhood encapsulated in one man. And thats why a part of my envious cold heart would delight at the thought that one of your “boyfriend destroyer” routines resulted in you getting your face smashed in. Would that be wrong of me?
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whoa, somebody needs a thorazine drip.
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Lol. Jay, here’s a “field report” of how it really goes down when a cocky little tool tries to approach anything above a 5-6 who has options and a boyfriend she’s into: He’ll run all his little tricks and she’ll just be laughing at him because she knows exactly what he’s doing. She’ll turn to her bf and roll her eyes and he’ll smirk knowing what’s going on, but really not give a damn because he knows the guy is no threat. The tool keeps trying because he *thinks* he’s accepted by the group, when the reality is he’s just being tolerated because no one gives enough of a shit to say otherwise. The girl plays him, letting him whisper in her ear while she rolls her eyes at her bf and bites her lip to keep from snickering. When she gets bored she goes over and sits and cuddles with her bf and tells him all the dipshit things he said, and they laugh.
Attractive girls with their shit together who are into their boyfriends know how to mate guard themselves. They’re not going to let some fuzzy hat idiot talk trash about their boyfriend. They’ll either walk away or do what I do… which is try to play the guy myself, get him all worked up and then laugh at him while I walk back over to my bf and cuddle up against his chest, while he tells me to be nice to the less fortunate. Lol it’s fun.
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Ya’ know, Jay – a little appreciation is in order here. These guys wade into the scrum with the same basic insecurities you possess – they repeatedly put themselves out there in ego-withering scenarios – figure out the high-percentage plays – then come back here and tell you about it – so you can better your chances. Gird up your loins, give it a try – WTF, all you have to loose is that big bag of bullshit you’re lugging around.
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AND if i’m on my game, the eye contact will often cause her to manufacture an opportunity to be alone w u very quickly after i give a girl the “lets fuck” vibe. i watch for the second trip to the bathroom then a simple discrete approach and a monster physical escalation.
and no Greg, nothing is getting rearranged because the fact that the guy is clueless is why his girl is letting me stick it in her ass.
besides, watch her and not me. im not fucking around on ya, merely oicking up what you cast aside.
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…so again the sneek around approach…it probably comes in handy at times…but is it really the best way to do this…
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if shes hot enough and dtf…..i guess thats an individual call eh?
what i don’t worry about is her bitch ass man unless he’s respectable which is rare. then its usually befriending him pretty quick so as to remind her that she is in fact a dumb beaver and that pushing a “lets u and him fight” scenario is fruitless.. nothing deflates a beezy like having her evening gladiator spectacle cancelled on account of smart.
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…this is interesting because at times men are jealous around me when their girl is into me..i have tried the sneeking around thing but isn’t eaiser just to be in their face about it and at least semi-obvious that you want that girl and will tool the guy or get him to fight you over it if need be…for example you would get the guy to try and fight you and then blatently get her number right in front of him or grab her hand and walk off with her…seems like an easier way of doing it where everybody knows you are the better man and there isn’t a need to sneek around….just my two cents….
i would like to hear more from you on this…it’s something a lot of us would give our right arm to know how to navigate..
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Just checked – No ‘Jessica’ saved on the girls phone … Phew!
Need eyes in the back of your head these days. Sneaky fuggers.
Anyway – off to the gym – watch for a chance to try this out.
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@YaReally…just thought I’d give you an update and thank you for your coaching. It’s been 2 months since I told my ex gf to “fuck off” and to never contact me again after catching her in a lie when she reached out to me.
I’ve followed your advice. I do go to my weekly social, but she only comes out from time to time and I blank her.
Tonight we happened to be out at the same time. I blanked her again and game all the other hot chicks—and number closed a tall hot visiting girl.
From what I could see, some dude was gaming my ex gf. He’s a total player. But honestly, it didn’t bother me.
Other stuff I’ve been doing: Banging church girl….meeting up with other girls, so far none of which has panned into anything but am doing it.
I’m organizing another couple of big projects and my work is getting busy.
I still have pangs of my oneitis. But I’ve been sticking to the plan.
I honestly don’t know what she’s doing or if she’s looking at me or whatever. She has not reached out whatsoever and her friends blank me—obviously she told them I’m a dick.
But in my social circle I have a lot of girls openly giving me IOI’s when I game them so that must be trickling back.
At this point I’ll bet money my ex gf will reach out to me in the next month to either flaunt a new dude or more likely reach out.
With all her Cluster B traits: the waif-like self-pity, the manipulation, the lying, the complete cognitive dissonance—I really doubt she feels anything for me which does bother me.
But…I’ve re-read your posts for inspiration. I think that part of my life is past but slowly game is helping me to recover.
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YR this is a pedantic question, but it’d help me a lot to see you tackle it:
The super confident belief in your superiority–let’s say for some highly unlikely reason she cheats (maybe she’s a masculinised slut who can detach sex from emotion), wouldn’t that be devastating to your 100% bulletproof frame, because it came like a punch you never thought would come? Whereas if you accepted the slight possibility that a bigger dog could come along then, if it happens, “no biggie it’s expected”.
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The best way to MG is to pull her to an area where there are no alphas… I’m talking downscale suburbia and rural areas. Avoid NYC, DC, Boston, South Florida, California, Philly.. etc. She needs to be in “your territory” with your loyal people.
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Thanks very much to @CH and the commenters for this post & their thoughts.
I’ve been paranoid about this range of things for awhile.
And now after I read what you have to say, it just seems more like a case of: “You cannot control other people.”;
-she either does what she knows she’s supposed to and does it, or she’s a disposable whore.
It’s really kind-of liberating. -This type of clarification is an object-lesson in why I read CH.
Cheers!
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This is the biggest thing I struggle with. When you think a girl is being shady, you just hate being fooled. I don’t want her to think she’s getting away with shit, it makes me feel stupid.
It’s hard though, because even a girl will tell you that your jealousy and possessive is turning her off. True indifference is impossible with me, but I try to be possessive in the right way.
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Rise above it.
Learn not to give a fuck.
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there is no “right” way to be possessive and they are all shady. its in their dna
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I don’t agree. Even the most alpha of alphas feel emotion, attachment, affection, adoration.
Then again, with women being drawn irresistibly to sociopaths..perhaps any soft emotion is a subtle DLV?
Regardless. It’s not possible for me to completely disregard my girl in public places, ignore guys who hit on her or try to flirt with her. I always stand up for her as mine, even if it makes her respect me less, I don’t care. It’s in my DNA – I’d rather get in a fight with a dude twice my size than sit there smiling like a doofus.
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Sure, but like….how do you think Brad Pitt would deal with some dude trying to mack on his chick? Ya, it’d suck, but at the same time, Brad Pitt knows he’s insanely tight. So he’s just like ‘peace out whore.’
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unfortunately I was not blessed with his looks or natural charisma, presence, etc.
I’ve suffered the negative consequences of jealousy and the positive. I’ve had a girl look at me with glowing eyes after a fight, and I’ve had girls grow distant the more snoopy and watchful I got.
I think there’s a happy balance. Only the tippity top of the alpha spectrum are able to just breeze through one 10 after another without the slightest jealousy or affection. Even love, which is real for me.
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hint: those at the tippity top never keep a 10 around long term when a 9 will always be hot enough, on her toes keeping ya happy, and have the threat of a tradeup a distinct reality.
“unfortunately I was not blessed with his looks or natural charisma, presence, etc.”—-was all I needed to know about your self limiting beliefs. work that out maybe so you aren’t a target for predatory females and other guys wanting to poach your poosy. with statements like this, you are donating it.
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Yeah I get it, ‘be irrationally self confident’.
There’s no point in doing that on an anonymous blog, and a sober appraisal of the truth is crucial for anyone trying to improve their game.
What works for Brad Pitt won’t work for a 1 or a 2. If they tried, they’d get crushed.
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Here’s the problem in a nutshell: I have the confidence to get a girl, but not enough to keep her.
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there is a point to internalizing your value while you take a shit dude. confidence never sleeps pal.
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@B
You’ll be there when you realize that pussy is a dime a dozen and any chick is lucky that you’re even noticing her.
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unfortunately I was not blessed with his looks or natural charisma, presence, etc.
Who gives a shit?
I mean, I agree that there are situations where being jealous/aggro is DHV (as in, the guy isn’t at threat to you and you can easily dominate the situation). However, the smart, optimal play is paying little attention to her, if any. Don’t try to control her.
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Please, as a Buddhist, I suggest you to pray to the Buddha, to give you inner peace, therefore strength, see my username? Jang Dong-gun is popular actor in Korea and a devout Buddhist.
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Having skin in the game – doesn’t change the rules.
Women only feel emotion, attachment, affection, adoration – for guys they’re fucking. Women are sexually turned off by mate guarding. Them’z the rules.
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@B yes, I had this problem too. I hate the idea of being tooled. Even after it’s over I still feel tooled by my ex gf who is being chased by other dudes.
The ONLY thing I can do is if i’m in the same venue as her to be with other girls and make like I don’t give a fuck.
Secondly, in private….find a way to move on. The second one I’m still struggling with.
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Re: Moving on.
Asked a Buddy who got divorced – ‘When did you know it was over?’
He said: “When I whipped a copy of ‘How to win friends..’ across Barnes & Noble and screamed “F@CK IT’ at the top of my lungs.”
You’ll know when you’ve arrived because you won’t feel like analyzing your relationships.
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What is the ultimate mate guard? Especially if she doesn’t know she’s your mate yet?
…..
Gentlemen? Ladies? Bueller? Bueller?
……
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I bet it rhymes with grape ape.
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Pavlov would be proud of me.
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Don’t be too proud… I’m just a natural hale-fellow-well-met joiner inner.
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And you did say the magic word… Bueller.
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Whorefinder is always proud of his masterpieces.
Especially when they involve therapy. And institutionalization.
Rape!
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Rape?
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Rape is never a question, my son!
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I look forward to videos from Max Tucker’s new site being shamelessly posted on CH. Yay!
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Ah, that Tucker Max, sniffing for money like Goldman Sachs. Ready to copy material that has been painstakingly explained, backed up and defended by a bunch of guys on the internet for many years now – and he claims it is all his. When forced to acknowledge the existence of the Manosphere on Twitter, he harrumphs, “manosphere is mostly dressed up residue of pua”. Um, right. And that would answer the question why he lies about being the first with this advice, how?
Here’s from the About page on his website:
Geoff “I have looked, quite extensively, for a book or something that honestly and frankly addresses the entire spectrum of sex, dating, women and relationships, especially for men. I have never found one. I have to spend hours answering their very basic questions about these issues.”
Tucker “No fucking way. This has to exist.”
Geoff “It doesn’t. I’ve looked.”
Tucker spent the next 30 minutes on his phone, scouring the Internet. Geoff was right. There was nothing. This was a hole in the market so big, it was hard to see unless you stood far enough back.
Tucker “How could this not exist?”
Go to hell, amirite?
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From 538, a spot-on match of the 2/3 ratio in Shakespeare:
“I’m blaming Romeo for this lack of communication. Juliet speaks 155 lines to him, and he speaks only 101 to her.”
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/parsing-is-such-sweet-sorrow/
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The Romeo Ratio
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if ur gonna mate guard dont be beta about it
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Jaw busting?
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I work at a major Australian university that has a large contingent of international students from (mainly) China and other parts of asia.
The amount and level of mate guarding I see on a weekly basis by beta chumps from Asia is f*cking disgusting. I pity the poor fools.
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This CH post made ‘mate guarding’ and its consequences pretty clear. A better way to look at it (as with most things) is to FLIP THE SCRIPT. If you’ve ever had a girl in a way ‘mate guarding’ you or being really possessive aka ‘a crazy bitch’ you’ll know that this shit is very annoying and yeah you’ll fuck her but she more becomes like your annoying sister almost.
We still hang around and fuck her because A) she’s hot and we are more visual with higher T-levels and B) she is giving us the only thing we really crave: sex. Eventually you get bored with the pussy and more fed up with her crazyness or ‘mate guarding’ and we say fuck this i’m finding another girl to fuck/be with. When guys mate guard it elicits a very similar mindset in the woman, however she says ‘yeah i’ll still get committment from this guy’ (just like we say yeah i’ll still fuck her a lot) and she will then shit test you more and start with the whole “i have a stomach ache” during her ovulation phase (which is 100% real b/c it happened to me and my ex who broke things off with me –>red flag). It’s all about who can be the MAN in the girls life and who can be the alpha in her life. I’m working on it too still but I will tell you that a mate guarding male is the equivalent to a ‘crazy bitch’. When you are NOT mate guarding the girl (while she is being hit on by other guys) she is subconciouslly thinking “my bf is the one fucking me why is this guy even trying to game me and my bf doesnt care —–> is he better than me—–> i better stop talking to this guy blah blah hamster shit). It’s a different issue if she is ovulating, dressed in heels, wearing white pants, and out with a crew of her friends and her friends “guy friends”. THAT is when shit hits the fan (but even then she won’t cheat probably and instead willl go along with guys hitting on her and if one of them is VERY charismatic then a seed might be planted and your relationship is doomed after that). THAT is the only situation I don’t know how to prevent…B/C that situation is very dangerous and has happened to a lot of guys who were dumped for another dude. My best advice is learn her cycle fuck her good on ovulation phase and keep the alpha up in an LTR and chances are she won’t stray too far. NOT SURE IF THERE IS AN EXPIRATION on that strategy b/c it feels like there is, however, the wall always works in the favor of men I guess right ha
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A douchebag friend of mine did a mate-guarding strat against me one time. We were at an empty tavern, I was to the left, his girl in the middle, and him sitting on the right. I brought up a conversation about cooking food for a bunch of our friends. Then he disrupted it by getting her attention back on him. There was no ‘dude stop hitting on my girl’ bits, he just took the attention away from me.
Anyway, if your girl is ovulating and she’s going out, play alpha and get her over for a bang session anytime before 10pm. If she doesn’t, then you’d better hit the clubs up and game more prospects.
As long as your dick is in it, those guy friends will orbit her forever. Bitches deserve it.
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> “if your girl is ovulating…”
…then knock her up.
Cause if you ain’t knocking her up, then she ain’t really your girl.
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you got a weird thing for paying child support dude.
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Alphas do not mate guard; but not mate guarding does not make you alpha.
You can lose your GF to a more alpha male; or to a lower SR male because she decides you will never commit.
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Just thought you might enjoy an antidote from the photo of our Asian mate-guarding friend up there:
Fred MacMurray, with his adoring and much-younger wife, June c. 1955.
This is how you ought to be seated with your woman.
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Back when men were men and women were women.
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Back when men were men and women were thin.
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Bingo.
We also need to circulate pictures like that so the younger dudes at the Chateau will understand that life in America used to be really wonderful.
Like Heaven on earth.
Before The Frankfurt School released one great big giant collective diarrhea all over our culture and our society.
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Those days are over brah. It’s just not coming back any time soon.
I do like that back in those times, people usually took pride in the way they dressed, men and women. I always thought it was cool in those old timey film noir flicks how everybody looked extremely sharp from the shop keep to the banker. Decked out suit with formal hat. While the women wore dresses and fixed up their appearance when they went out.
If you want to go for the perfect balance of casual and stylish, just from looking at the photos it seems like the 60s was the happy medium era. Women’s fashions were beautiful and upscale peacocking for men was normal and in style.
In modern times, it’s just out of whack. It’s gone way too far towards sloppiness and the dress up clothes on chicks are slutty not sexy. The worst combo that I loathe on girls is the college sweatshirt combined with matching informal pants with ponytail.
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[…] Mate guarding is a science-y term for possessiveness. […]
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Maxim 57 is me all the way. I have had to mate guard myself, but never my wife. But then, I go out dancing five or six nights a week and she stays home. Are any of you guys alpha enough to be able to pull that off?
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Yes … for as long as the chains hold.
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Let’s see, there was this early thirties seven giving me huge IOIs and wanting to chat me up last night. There were these early twenties schoolteachers I was chatting up who were giving me logistical info (maybe for dating; a 7 and an 8). There were a couple of college-age gals (7’s) who wanted to dance with me. I chatted one up while dancing and she gave me a big hug afterwards.
No, I didn’t try to get any phone nos. Probably would have if I were single.
The dance instructor used me as her demo guy during the lesson. DHV.
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Off topic, but I would LOVE for the Heartiste to do an article on this:
http://nypost.com/2014/03/21/man-who-fathered-98-kids-offers-free-sex-service/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
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I have a CH community question.
What about if you have a large social circle. I hang out with all
different types of people women and men. A woman one day
confesses her “man crush” for you and will not stop texting you.
Wants to fuck, has a long-term b/f but you deem her not on a scale
of fuckability. She is at most a 6. I mean her body is amazing, face is
awful.
I got a long text (drunk) last night about a friend confessing her crush
on me, her wanting to fuck, things are awkward etc. She said she
will delete my number because it’s too hard for her. I text her back
I’m going to delete your number too. Goodbye.
Was that a wrong approach? What do you do when a woman confesses
her “crush” for you, but there is no reciprocal? Maybe I’m picky, I’ve
got something better in the works and I believe in being patient.
Any advice is golden on this situation. Perhaps this isn’t an “alpha”
move as a man should only be around women he deems fuckable?
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fyi, those guys are beta lol.
you have committed a common classification error.
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urite
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Don’t confuse alphas with psychotics. Sometimes the one is the other, but the psychotic part of him dominates.
Look, I get really tired of people thinking it’s alpha to fight over a woman. I don’t give a fuck about what some rugby players with ugly girlfriends do. Until you have their money and status — and a dive bar popular with beta sports crazed losers — where they can get away with playing our their psychoses, it is not alpha to fight over a girl. It is sign of insecurity. It is also primitive. If you want to be termed an alpha for fighting over a girl, go live in the jungles of Borneo.
If you are an alpha, you don’t go taking your wife or girlfriend to a fucking bar where guys are likely to hit on her. What are you thinking? Getting fighting mad because some guy is eye-fucking your GF or hitting on her is something you’d expect some Mohammedan to do, or some ghetto black. It is the sign of low class, which is a sign of low value. It is a sign of stupidity, which is a sign of low value. It is a sign of insecurity, which is a sign of low value. Alphas are intimidating by their mere presence, which can have may facets, but here and now (and until we are forced back into the stone age that are African brothers still live in) these facets no longer include getting into shoving matches and bar fights over women. Think with your head. Unless you live in the ghetto, what do you think your peers and colleagues will think of you when you come into work one day all banged up because you got into a fight with some other loser over a fucking GIRL? I’ll tell you what we think: Loser. Low rent loser. And it does matter what they think when your peers and colleagues can impact your social status. They *can* impact your status (both professional, social, and sexual) and they *do*.
We Europeans spent the last 10,000 years evolving to get past this jungle shit. Maybe we will not thrive in Borneo, but that is why we are not there and when they are here we either lock them up in jails or corral them in low income housing and give them all the abortions they want free for the asking.
Maybe it’s my age, but I find this meathead thinking very unwise from all perspectives. The only time you should fight over a girl is if you have only two choices: (a) fight (and you know for sure that the guy you are fighting can’t kill you — a rare circumstance) or (b) run away like a little girl. I haven’t been in that sort of situation since I was 15 and I am an obnoxious know-it-all asshole who has an amazing ability to rub people I dislike the wrong way.
Well, except for the time I put some drunk annoying turd in a head lock and made him apologize to me (not my woman) for his annoying (and physically provocative) behavior .. but still … not really a fight. A warning.
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Nomen, well put. Next time we’re in the same zip code, I’ll buy you a drink. Physical fighting is for children, lower classes and backward cultures, and I have no patience with it. (Note: I’m not talking about combat, which is a different situation, but bar brawls and the like.)
Last year I got sucker-punched by some tool who took exception to a comment I made about his many tattoos. I left the place after that because I wasn’t going to get into a fight with him — nor was I going to shoot him with the S&W revolver I was carrying, but if the situation had worsened, I would have. Faced with that choice, I left. (Cue cries of “Ooooh! Beta!”) Cost me some dental work, but hey.
And by the way, all I did was point out that instead of complaining about how his truck had broken down and he couldn’t afford to fix it, perhaps he could have used the $10,000 worth of ink on his arms towards a new transmission instead of painting his skin — a true observation.
So yeah, he popped me in the mouth. Big deal. What he didn’t know was that I had the power of life and death — his — in my hands, and I chose to let him live. It’s called civilization, and I practise it as often as I can.
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I have a problem with alphas being disqualfied from alphadom when they engage in any action that doesn’t meet the standards of the idealised abstract alpha that has been constructed by the PUA community – which seems to be a Hollywood stereotype (I picture Sean Connery as James Bond). If you pull that trick you’re engaging in plain old confirmation bias, with some good old No True Scotsman thrown in.
I find that many ‘natural’ alphas are assholes, and I have met my fair share in 32 different countries and counting. Yeah you get the laid back, sociable variety that is not threatened by anyone (I find that this type is often very tall and just doesn’t see others as a physical threat), but there are just as many that are brutish dickheads with pretty average social skills – but they still have that natural leadership ability and dominance etc.
One thing I am wondering is why many here seem to believe that gamma can become an alpha by mimicking one. Sure you’ll get to slip it to an 8+ every now and then, but women are much more socially aware by men and she’ll sniff your gamma status out in no time. So it sounds like a nice setup to end up hitched to a woman who is above you who ends up subjecting you to non-stop shit-tests and is quite likely to divorce you or cuck you.
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whats rugby.
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Not since “Dear Woman” :
Behold “Manginas for She”. Men raising their voices for gender equality.
https://www.youtube.com/user/heforshe
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What of those cases where an alpha male reciprocates a female’s adoration with PDAs and mirroring her movements? In isolation, the behaviour is the same as that of the beta and hers is that of a female with an alpha, so does the context entirely change how the behaviour is perceived by onlookers?
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What is with the “demon possessed” eyes?
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Almost-white irises. Just got a grey with a border of dark blue around them.
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Yeah that’s basically what it is. However, the man shouldn’t give in to reciprocating the PDA in my opinion. You need to be stingy with the PDA.
This is kind of off topic/random but if you’ve dated very high smv young girls then you’ll know what I’m talking about: Probably the hardest thing about committing to a young, hot high smv girl is literally KNOWING that it will fail and probably go downhill from the time you ‘agree’ to be exclusive. If you have seen or been in relationships like that with young girls you know what i’m talking about. It’s liike they will fail no matter what. And that, to me, is the hardest part of the whole sexual market thing–committing (which sounds cliche b/c I am guy, but it stems from knowing how many times relationships have failed). Seems to be just a matter of time.
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CH once said you could trace the decline of the west to when hens/bachelorette nights became more significant than bucks/bachelor parties.
Question: What are people’s thoughts on when your girl goes to hens/bachelorette nights. What’s a standard alpha response?
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same as all alpha responses: disregard.
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“Have fun.” (Said without looking up from your newspaper/TV/cellphone.)
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> “What’s a standard alpha response?”
There is one and only response: NEXT.
If your bitch isn’t happy to sit by your side all night, on the couch, watching recreations of the Peloponnesian War on The History Channel – if she’s still looking for “fun” and “excitement” and “glamor” in order to be “fulfilled” – then
A) She doesn’t really love you, and
B) It’s only a matter of time before she cheats on you.
If she really looked up to you, then she would say, “Before I met you, I used to love my girls’ nights out, but now they seem like such a complete waste of time. And all my old girlfriends seem like such a bunch of sluts and losers and whores. Honestly, I don’t even enjoy being around them anymore. Can I get you another beer from the fridge, during the commercial break, before they launch the Sicilian Expedition?”
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+1
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That’s funny. And I guess the point Zombie Shane makes is, you have to keep active in the relationship. Stay fit, go places, do things. A friend of mine started to take his live-in girlfriend to dance classes a couple of times a month, and he says it gave them a lot of new energy. They have dancing as a project together, made even better by being very physical.
Next time I’m in a relationship I think I’ll start taking her to the firing range.
Like the A Dark Heart blog says (manosphere blog no longer updated, but still a very good read), after getting a relationship with the girl you want, some men wonder when all the effort is over. It is never over.
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+1 Arbiter.
And about mate-guarding … you DO IT. If you want a relationship, DO IT. Males are biologically wired and programmed to do so. It’s in our blood. Cockblock all other males and you’ll get alpha points for doing so.
It’s not that you have to fight them, that’s the old way. You just efficiently cock block.
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“If your bitch isn’t happy to sit by your side all night, on the couch” should read
“If your bitch isn’t happy to sleep on the couch waiting for you to get home from being out and quick to greet you when you come through the door.
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My wife doesn’t go out with the girls ever. She thinks that most girls are trash. If your girl goes out with the girls then she isn’t really your girl and you aren’t really alpha.
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A lot of tough talk by the punters here, and whilst I agree with the premise, the reality is far different.
This is why I paraphrased CH’s earlier musings on the topic. The hens night has taken on such cultural significance in the West that it would be virtually impossible not to know a girl, especially in her late 20s or early 30s, who’d been tits-deep in several of them.
These nights appear to be purely and simply an act of feminist revenge – as the commentators above have rightly pointed out, not much that goes on at these things would normally interest a decent woman outside the most rank of hussies.
But, that doesn’t mean that decent women won’t go. The herd is a bigger pull for western women than any kind of pre-conceived values.
That’s why we’re all reading this blog.
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In an ideal world maybe.
I met my LTR when she was 21.
At that point she had only been single for 1 year after her teenage-relationship ended due to her going to college (where we met).
During her single year she partied like crazy and slept around.
She continued to party for about 2 years into our relationship.
At the age of 23 she quit partying. So, in my book that is good because she lost interest at a much younger age than many others do. And her weight is still the same as when we met so she has not become uglier.
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START PUTTING BUNS IN HER OVEN.
NOW!!!
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ya.
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Yet each man kills the thing he loves
By each let this be heard
Some do it with a bitter look
Some with a flattering word
The coward does it with a kiss
The brave man with a sword”
― Oscar Wilde, The Ballad Of Reading Gaol
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Sure but Wilde was gay and was referencing Judas there
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Wrong, it was inspired by a man who cut the throat of his wife
It was written while he was in prison representing a turning point in his life
More from the same poem
——————————————————————————————–
Some kill their love when they are young,
And some when they are old;
Some strangle with the hands of Lust,
Some with the hands of Gold:
The kindest use a knife, because
The dead so soon grow cold.
Some love too little, some too long,
Some sell, and others buy;
Some do the deed with many tears,
And some without a sigh:
For each man kills the thing he loves,
Yet each man does not die.”
———————————————————————————–
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From my experience, Indo-Paki guys are the most into mate guarding. Even if they’re born and raised her, they’re possessive and protective of their gfs to the extreme. Way more beta than even Oriental dudes.
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Too bad they’re not more into Right Guarding …
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I disagree with this one. Mateguarding works and is a good strategy, the only question is how it is implemented.
Its a bad idea to let your wife wander the planet as she likes to. Going to Ibiza with her slutty single girlfriends, taking her to a swingers party if you are not fantastic at sex yourself…
you need to control the environment as a man, to some degree. mateguarding obviously works. i worked all over the world including the arab world. few women in dubai are going to fuck anybody else than their husband, since they have made mateguarding their true religion, i think thats whats it really about after having seen that culture up close.
mateguarding should be done in a specific way though. to become sissy annoyed and whine three times each time for small things will obvioulsy make the woman puke after a while.
but make sure she understands that certain things are not ok, be very very clear. and make sure that she knows that cheating on you have one ending and one only, and that their is no doubt in her mind that that will be impemented automatically.
women react very well to this kind of mateguarding. just look at different cultures. a girl might cheat on a man who will let it be, she will not cheat on a scary maffia boss.
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You’re not describing “mate guarding” here. The “mate guarding” being talked about is when you go after any men who hit on your woman. You’re describing going after your woman. Which makes a heck of a lot more sense. I don’t understand what kind of moron would blame an other guy for hitting on his girl.
But you’re right, a lot of women love a man who sets them some boundaries.
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Here’s a point I should make once a man becomes completely alpha and someone who manages to sort out his inner demons and insecurity issues.
It becomes fucking hard to get rid of a girl once you’ve managed to get them attracted to you.
Ever since i’ve stopped caring about one particular girl or i’ve hooked up with a girl, there’s nothing I can really do to stop her from walking away from me. Because I genuinely don’t need her in my life.
Learning game and actively going out there and approaching new girls has made it clear to me just how abundant girls are in this world and that nature has stacked the opportunities in our favour by churning out fresh new 18 year olds every year.
Knowing and understanding that, their value to me is no longer big enough for me to show any of them my 100% attention.
My life has no shifted focus towards my goals and ambitions, which is conversely making me more happier than what any girl can ever provide me. Which is a weird feeling coming from a history of insecurity issues and bad breakups with me being on the receiving end of it.
I would urge any man who’s yet to start this journey to go out and start approaching. Even if you don’t get laid from it in the beginning, just seeing the abundance for yourself and realising that there’s no shortage of women to go around is enough to make drastic changes to your inner game.
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Off Topic but CH might be interested in this,
Honey Maid / Nabisco has a new tv ad in which they tell us that gay men with kids are wholesome families
They also show a family consisting of a white man with a black woman ( something extremely rare in real life )
There is also a father with a lot of tattoos that is skinny like a drug addict
and we are told all those families are wholesome
All things contributing to the destruction of Western Civilization are now wholesome…
I will not crowd this thread with a link , just go to youtube and type ,
“honey maid gay ad”
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Man – I can’t turn my back without some lesbian hitting on my wife.
Everywhere. Constantly … I need eyes in the back of my head.
Bull dykes are easily to recognize – but, the lipstick lesbos are real sneaky.
Whole Foods Market is infested with them.
They get really pissed when you break it up too.
Wife thinks it’s cute.
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Fucking A – the LIFO stack ate my reply ages ago.
Can’t get any sort of a dialogue going on WordPress anymore.
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After this weekend, I’m convinced that all of this shit about a woman’s sexual past, guarding a woman who gets attention, etc. is just more shit testing. Just more stuff to try and trip you up.
There’s really no such thing as an objective fact for a woman. That’s what I realized. It doesn’t exist. What’s high value to her, what’s the best, what she loves….it’s all dictated by her feelings in the moment, which means it’s all just bullshit anyway lol. Which makes becoming high value so easy….
Anyway, I am convinced it’s a shit test. Hanging out with the model this weekend (ya, chasing for WEEEEEEKS, finally was able to meetup, that’s how ridic the value disparity was BEFORE the meetup)….I crushed this shit test. Like just shit all over it.
Step 1 seems to be coming across as conservative. Hotter chicks just seem to be surrounded by a ton of tryhard (But cool still) partiers, drug-users, ‘alphas,’ ‘rock stars,’ whatevers. So, the only hand to play is ‘normal guy.’
Step 2 seems to be just remaining totally unimpressed by any of those individuals. Like, saying ‘wow that’s cool man,’ and leaving it at that.
Step 3, whenever their friends (Esp if there are gay ppl in the group or SWPLs) get into a discussion about ‘risque’ sex shit, remain quiet and generally passive.
Step 4, 3 is baiting one of the alphas in the group to try and AMOG you a little bit — they will say something like ‘this guy is like, wow these people are nuts what am I getting into?’ And when they do say some shit like that, you just pause and smile…’it’s not bad.’ The return is always some tryhard ‘oh it gets reeeeeeaaaaaaaaal bad…’ qualifying. Response just smile ‘wow, that’s cool.’
Step 5, target will be curious now. There will be prodding ‘oh I bet you’ve…’ to which you will just smirk and laugh a little bit. If she mentions something she did or whatever….’…hm, that might work.’
Step 6, leave her the fuck alone. No mate guarding, no nothing. If you’ve done it right, you will have gained value in the group. Focus on everyone else and deal with their shit in the same way.
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Long story short…..she’s coming across as extremely insecure now. This insanely hot chick. Like ‘well I’m not sure how other girls you were with did this….’ blah blah making excuses. It’s so tight. And because what’s ‘best’ is just about how she feels, and now she feels i’m like super worldly and high value (all because I just didn’t say anything direct about it)….well you get it.
Letting all of that shit go seems to be the only way. Caring about the moments you have with someone and accepting that they are just moments. That’s it.
If you get the hang of this you probably will have a hard, hard edge on like every single other guy — alphas included.
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Women are always the ones hanging onto me. Gets more than a little annoying at times, although when I shove my hands down their pants they usually get the message and back off a bit, usually after a little squeal of delight. A little goes a long way…
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My tactic is to AMOG.and do dread. All the guys she knows are 8 years younger than me and these mile nails are serious pussies. Even a natural beta like me comes off better in comparison. I also started flirting a lot right in front of her.
Hopefully that works better than my strategy in my last relationship, where I drastically overplayed my aloofness.
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This post is abiological.
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