James Franco is an A-list Hollywood actor who could have women fellating him within fifteen minutes with an inviting smile, so it would be surprising if his text game read like it came from a tone-deaf beta sperg. Or would it?

in case you didn’t know, i’m a really famous dude

don’t i look like a brooding james dean in my avatar?

i mean the # of inches you can take

autistic? or accustomed to easy lays?

he just has that “x” factor.
A normal non-famous man without compensating attractive personality traits would bomb badly running Franco get-to-the-point anti-game right out of the gate. But Franco is not a normal man; he’s famous, and Fame Game is the most powerful game known to exist in the universe. Franco has likely had no problem throughout his starfucked life getting laid when he wants, so he has been conditioned by his experiences with eager beavers that anything beyond minimal “name, rank, phone number” is unnecessary effort. His SMV is so high he could condense his courtship displays to pointing at his crotch. It would therefore be a mistake to draw lessons from Franco’s text game and apply them to the average aspiring womanizer.
But even the gravitational pull of Fame Game will yield to the electromagnetic push in the opposite direction of needy omega-ish anti-game. Women HATE HATE HATE desperate beta behavior maybe more than they LOVE LOVE LOVE famous men. It appears here that Franco’s charmless interrogation was sufficiently off-putting to ruin his chance with a springtime fresh Scottish lass. As a commenter put it, “Dewd gave her the social validation she craved, and is now in damage control mode.”
More than a few celebrities could use a dollop of game (as well as a primer in discretion). Some readers have shared stories of celebrities they overheard in the act of hitting on women, and they recall how surprised they were by the celebrity’s incongruous beta behavior. Being famous doesn’t necessarily mean being a smooth seducer. Presumably, these hapless actors either fell into their fame by accident, or they are so accustomed to women making all the effort to bang them that they regress to an M.O. of sheepish grins and stilted interview-style questions, perhaps resorting to handlers to do the actual dirty work of arranging face-to-face meetings with their hoped-for conquests.
Funny enough, the best part of Franco’s text game was near the end, when he wrote a curt “bye” to the girl. The threat of his disappearance suddenly loosened her tongue and switched her id gears from chasee to chaser. It was a helpful reminder of his incalculably numerous sexual market options.
Addendum
To head off the mewling nancyboys and nurse ratcheds menstruating about age of consent and “creepy older men”, a strong dose of reality: It’s as creepy for older men to lust for nubile teen girls bursting with secondary sexual characteristics as it is for teen girls to lust for older male stars bursting with charisma. That is to say, not at all. The necessity of drawing arbitrary legalistic AOC boundaries to thwart genuine pedophiles to the contrary, it’s totally normal and sexually healthy for older men to be aroused by the sight, scent and aural sphere of sprightly teenflesh. Nothing abnormal about it. Of course, whole edifices of cultural baggage to shame and contain that natural male impulse have been erected (heh) by threatened older women and beta males on the receiving end of the fallout from unchecked alpha male romantic pursuit and the delight of their pursued.

First motherfucker
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However, banfiction has an older sister who looks like…me! Sloppy seconds for GBFM.
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lzozozozo hey isn’t dat a picture of ROOSH he sent?????? lzozozoozoz
http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/viewpoint/entry/2013/03/15/roosh_s640x428.JPG?379e471c94002fe7d49ba0ce33324f5cd82c8630
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i dunno man. if i was james fucking franco that would be my game. top notch dreamy-celeb-that-every-pretty-girl-wants-to-fuck game.
i mean he pretty much pointed right at his crotch and said “when do you turn 18? huh? huh? wanna fuck james franco for your 18th birthday? dooya? dooya? dooya?” it doesnt get any better than that.
for gods sake, the motherfucker ASKED HER IF SHE HAD A BOYFRIEND and she said not if you are around. game is obsolete for this guy. game is a god damn wagon wheel. when you can sell yourself as the notch to overshadow all notches, you dont need much else to get in some guts.
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I’m 40
My last fuck was a fella of 19 who hit on me
There was no chat-up, it just started in his bedroom with him sucking my cock (mmmmm) and then me sliding into his nice, tight hole
That’s game
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Another Irish fag. How quaint.
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Funny how homosexuals always have to bring up their homosexuality in every context. It has to be about them, always. Their homosexuality is their surrogate for children, it is their baby, and the baby only lives if it is brought up at all times, pushed in people’s faces.
Also, they’re leftists, and being self-obsessed comes with the territory.
Then they wail in the media about how they are only seen as homosexuals, “never as a person!”. Leftists will declare how they are “just like anyone else, only with a different preference in the bedroom”. Then the next moment it’s right back to the navel gazing.
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Oh the jealousy!
Just cos my game is so damn goooood!
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We are not jealous we are annoyed and revolted.
Your ilk have managed to destroy another white male’s career, reputation and life;
Brendan Eich CEO of Mozilla had to resign because of degenerates like you who have become a lynch mob – the gay lynch mob.
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Just like Feminism become extreme in America and not all women act like American feminists, the extreme gays you see in America are not the same elsewhere, its not the fault of European, Latin or Asian gays
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This is it, exactly.
Neither am I a leftist (one doesn’t cradle mugs …)
As I’ve written here before, nearly all my fag friends are, like myself, arch libertarians.
Less government, please …
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He probably hated Canadians too. Fuck him. On an ironic note, he complained about how he was trying to build an “inclusive and welcoming community” that kicked him out once they found out he was a hater.
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I don’t know who you’re referring to
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Given the subject of this site, I’m surprised to find guys hating on other guys who are (judging by certain stories) having a lot of easy sex without being dragged down by the evolutionary baggage that makes women shit-test men and sometimes even get them to kill each other just so they can be sure they’re sleeping with the strongest one. I say “you go girlfriend”. Of course perpetual virgins who are angry at the world might see it differently.
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It’s just the guys who don’t know much about show business, who believe the image more than the work, and corruption and weirdness, that we know is behind it.
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That is about 100% right.
I get my dick sucked, nicely, and I plough arse – no, I’m not a victim
How often does the Chateau extol the virtues of anal?
There you go.
Without the shit tests.
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butt with twice the aidz
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Eh … condom?
A condom helps anal sex, the rubber and lube ease you into the hole
I’ve never had unprotected sex
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Chris, I got enough problems on the job trying to figure out what guy is fucking what girl; guys fucking guys just makes it all the more annoying due to the time and energy I hafta use to figure out the politics…
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Your game is ssthooo good that you’ll be the first lined up againstht the wall, girlfrieeeend! *snap snap*
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> “It has to be about them, always.”
Recently somebody made [more or less] exactly the same point about L’il Spoon [who had been talking about the circumstances which would make her enjoy being raped].
Here it is:
quorasdesignatedasshole: “Read between the lines boys. She wants to be taken by someone who’ll devour her for his pleasure because he LOVES her so much. Because he loves HER so much. Narcissism is inherent in female seduction.”
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/before-you-say-nonconsensual-sex-isnt-pleasurable-see-these-8-facts-from-an-esteemed-sexologist/#comment-546667
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Has ever been explained before, but game rules apply the same to men? the more effeminate the men, the more they are like women? what men-like and women-like traits they have? do they shit test, and etc etc etc
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For gays the term “shit test” has a whole new meaning heh heh heh see where I’m going? Did you catch that?
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I caught it …
Not sure if I held onto it but I caught it sure enough …
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Not really.
More effeminate guys usually give MAGIC head but can be a bit squealey
One little fag once complained about my bad breath so I told him to stick his face onto the pillow while I destroyed his hole
Ignoring them works best. Focus on the fuck
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see this is why im jealous of gays in a way. i know gays have their own issues, but u guys have it so easy. basically, just look good and dont be super weird or something.
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Yup
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I don’t get the hate for you.
I hate queens and all that non sense. But a good old fashioned libertine in the style of Oscar Wilde, that’s my friend. I would guess that you would never sell out an upstanding noble man such as myself for any woman unlike the effeminate fags in America who are basically traitors to their own sex.
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Socrates said something similar, but he might have just been tooting his own horn.
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It’s not hate, it’s jealousy. Ain’t nothing like good head.
And you’re right, I’m a man’s man. I never whiteknight.
Plough your pussy.
I’m interested: all my good friends are straight men – that signifies something
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I wouldn’t call it hate, I’d say the mostly conservative commenters dislike a guy flaunting his ability to trigger evolutionarily valid disgust instincts. Also, trying to claim gay seducers have a valid kinship with seducers of hot chicks is also questionable at best, which has been pointed out.
Beyond that, a nontrivial portion of the instinct to outgroup gays is the fact that an effeminate man carries the burden of a female (weakness, dependency), with none of the compensatory attributes (beauty, fertility). Hence, outgrouping those who shirk their masculinity is beneficial to the tribe, so to speak. At least it is in any sane society.
On that line of thinking, you could say more masculine gays like Chris from Dublin purports to be could carry less baggage for the tribe so to speak. But they still introduce vectors of disease to the community that would not exist if normal breeding habits were uniform. Hence, why those of you with a healthy disgust reflex dislike when he talks about banging some dude’s rectum.
Overall reading stuff like Jonathan Haidt’s research has actually made me see others politics through a more sympathetic light, but this dude seems to really enjoy making other people uncomfortable with his stories of gayness. Trying to be accepted as just one of the guys by a group who has the complete converse of his most basic drives is also odd. Claiming jealousy is weirdly transparent and telling: the reduction of masculinity to the most trivial process of a quick nut. We’re no more jealous of a gay’s ability to get off than we are of a chronic masturbator or fucker of dogs or any other animal with a soft hole. But I guess this is hard to see for some with a more r-selected jizzdrive.
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Good comment Jack.
I would add that I think it is possible that the reason why he keeps saying we are jealous is that in reality he wishes we were jealous, he wishes we envied him…a sort of projection if you like.
He does not like reality – our being disgusted – so he creates an alternate one where we wish we were living his life…a sort of coping mechanism for him.
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No, to respond seriously (because you’re right, my description of gay sex was to provoke) – I think the Chateau remains one of the few arenas of genuinely free discourse and I never mind the remarks others make to or about me (besides, check out gay chat rooms for crazy abuse and lunacy).
This thread was about game. This blog takes an overall line that game is with the aim of getting the player a good fuck, with an attractive woman, with anal, with a blowjob, and all on his terms. This blog also makes it clear that while it’s not impossible for any man to get laid, the devil is in the detail. Same with gay men – you can always get a fuck, not always the ideal way.
Disease? I always practice safe sex.
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CfD: “That’s game”
Don’t be such a …. dick. You don’t have game, game doens’t apply to gays. Gays don’t need game, or at the best, ‘gay game’ is the sort of ‘game’ that the lowest of the low hetro has, which is to say, none.
Game, is the navigation of the female evolutionary mating strategy. Which is designed to be selective and have high hurdles to reject 80% of sutors.
Gay ‘game’ if such a thing exists, is a bit like the indescriminate spawning of salmon, semen ejaculated anywhere indescriminately.
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eh, it happens. i live in a city of 4.5 million and i gotta be careful where i go w who.
to quote Neil McCauley “for me, it’s worth the stretch” maybe she was that hawt.
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Hard to believe such a high value actor guy could be so beta. Incredibly handsome A-list actor, starstruck teen hb7 on vacation in another country–it’s almost impossible to fuck this one up but somehow he managed to do it
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Yes, I thought he would get a happy ending. (Heh.) Like you say, it’s almost impossible to screw it up. Imagine standing with the ball in front of a soccer goal with no goalie, that’s how easy this one was. To think of how ordinary guys have to work for it, and then this guy gets it served on a platter and can’t score.
And how dumb do you have to be to include a picture of yourself with the girl’s name? She got celebrity status by peddling that piece of proof like a shameless carpetbagger. He shouldn’t have done that no matter what.
Also, why take pictures of himself from below? That’s just bad camera skills.
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Yes the pic was his mistake. The slimy bitch laid a trap and he fell right into it. Notice the transparent, illogical trap — “I won’t tell if you prove who you are.”
Never forget how women are sneakier than we are. Or at least slimier. This wasn’t sneaky because the trap was obvious, yes I know it’s harder in the heat of the moment.
I am not surprised by his lack of “game” skills. He talked sincerely. Reminds me before I started thinking about technique (in my 30’s) — totally artless, unsurprisingly ineffective.
Hey, I know how to approach girls like a star!
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I don’t think she had any intention of actually meeting him. As a dumb 17-year-old I would’ve been terrified to meet an older male celebrity for sex in a hotel room, but I would’ve had NO QUALMS stringing him along for attention and to gain the admiration and jealousy of my friends. There were multiple red flags where he should’ve recognized the trap and bailed out, but he kept pushing and now he looks thirsty and desperate to the whole world.
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Don’t say “thirsty” any more.
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the funny thing about slang is that the terms may change but the reality those terms describe stay the same.
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He should thank Jah that he wasnt stupid enough to photograph his dick a la Brett Favre.
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Commenter known as Arbiter: I know you agree that celebrity gossip is for queers and women, but this Franco exchange is an example of horrible game so I will comment. John Stamos was interviewed by H Stern and sounded like he didn’t know how to talk to chicks. Fame game is a crutch to men like beauty is to a chick. At least a man can develop game. Chicks, not so much. Stamos could keep burning through nineteen yr old babes if he had a clue. Clueless naturals. hah.
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Fame alone does not automatically give a man alpha status. It’s amazing that a 17 year old schoolgirl still has the ability to shit-test a man she is starstruck by. And even more amazing that he fell for it. Sending a picture with her name on it, dear God. I wonder how the girl’s boyfriend feels now she’s admitted she would cheat on him.
“It’s as creepy for older men to lust for nubile teen girls bursting with secondary sexual characteristics as it is for teen girls to lust for older male stars bursting with charisma. That is to say, not at all.”
Yes it’s always swept under the carpet by feminists and the PC-brigade but many teenage girls have serious hots for men in their mid-to-late thirties. If you’re older but stay in shape and make an effort with your appearance you will start to notice the little looks and IOI’s you get from teen girls when walking through malls etc. Of course the jealousy of older women means that society automatically brands any older man associating with a teenage girl as ‘predatory’ or ‘evil’.
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i don’t think it was that horrible insofar as he said ‘bye’ at the right time. where i think he fucked up was the rapidfire questions and sending 3-4 txts in a row without response. it’s annoying to be on the receiving end of that even for a dude. in each case he could tightened it up to just “you 18 + single?”, e.g., or just his photo with only ‘yes or no’…too loquacious. but not awful.
even a nonfamous dude knows that if you have obvious demonstrably higher SMV than the chick, you don’t engage in shit test wars. you up the comfort and eschew the ‘busting on her’. text game 101.
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I agree it could be much much worse, he’s an alpha he can rapid fire question if he wants – if he can’t who can? He just ran into a grade A lawyer cunt. Men don’t spit A+ game when they’re horny – and it’s not like he said I love you – he was going for a quick pump which should come relatively easy to him. I’ve personally said much more cringeworthy things.
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“He just ran into a grade A lawyer cunt.”
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Balls. He ran into a SEVENTEEN-YEAR-OLD GIRL from a little town in Scotland, on holiday in the big city with her mum.
And Mr Hollywood Hotshot asks “Do you have a bf”. Fabulous technique there, pal. You sound about 17 years old yourself.
If little Lucy Clode had demonstrated any game at all — and you can tell from her texts that she’s just a kid — she could have run rings round him. Yes, even at half his age, and even if she is still at high school. He hasn’t got a clue.
“What’s the hotel?”
“Should I rent a room?”
Just tell me what to doooooooooooo, Lucy. I need you to make all the decisions.
“Don’t tell.”
Razor-sharp game there, man.
I’m only surprised he didn’t ask her what her star sign is. Or her favourite colour. That’s about his level.
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He’s the apex, he doesn’t have to waste time with game. His interaction with small town girls is like intake processing at Ellis Island. His mistake was being so careless that he walked into her cunt spiderweb.
Most game students have never been the genuine big fish, the exploding geyser of female attraction in their environment; guys don’t realize that the behaviors that you seek to imitate–aloofness, outcome independence, dhv–are a natural and logical dynamic from an authentic high status role. You don’t have to negotiate when your offerings are overwhelmingly greater then theirs.
I was blessed to be extremely attractive in my college days, and the amount of effort I would afford a 7 or even 8 was extremely low. I remember blowing off girls with pure disdain the moment they gave me any cuntyness. I found it quite satisfying; more-so than pursuing intimacy with their debauched cosmopolitan souls and the public urinal between their legs. For me, creative romantic expression was reserved for the woman of extremely rare physical and personal beauty; the rest had better fucking prostrate themselves at my feet if they wanted me to waste my time and my priceless seed on them. Now, that was me, a big fish in a small pond. Just imagine how Franco, a world class star, experiences the world. He’s as far from “beta” as it gets; he truly does not give a flying fuck. To a fault–the little whore may have kept her mouth shut if she didn’t feel disrespected by his curtness.
I’d bet he’s run through countless little strumpets with his same approach.
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Ok Bib Fish, I think you’re missing the point that Franco could’ve spent LESS time & energy on this girl and been MORE successful with her. The rapid-fire interrogation wasn’t saving him any time. He could bang more strumpets faster if his game wasn’t so bad and extranneous.
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She didn’t really like “him” per se, she liked his status. Notice how self-important these selfies are. I saw a video where some random chick was trying to take a selfie with a celebrity, got shoved to the side and immediately jumped back into position with an instant smile ready to get the pic before getting shoved a second time. Not even making eye contact with the person you’d think she idolizes.
It’s all about her.
It seemed like he wanted a quick bang and is probably not used to trying so hard. In the end, he’s well above the average guy so a lost bang with this particular chick is of no real consequence.
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Exactly.
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I don’t think he should have asked her age or if she was single at all. If she would be in a relationship and she’d think it was in the way, she would say so. As for her age, don’t ask, just assume. Again, if she thinks it’s an issue she will say it. And as long as you haven’t heard anything you can say you thought she was eighteen.
He should have just said “Hey, what are you doing?”, things like that. Eventually found a reason for them to see each other, something that doesn’t sound like a date even though both know that’s what it is. Both retaining deniability and not losing face.
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Addendum: or he should have just gone to a hooker. It’s New York, how hard can it be?
I wonder though, maybe there is risk involved for a celebrity. But there have to be prostitutes – sorry, “escorts” – who are known to be discreet when serving that sort of clientele.
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Of course, there’s high risk for a “celebrity” whose public image is everything. He can be held hostage.
And Elliot Spitzer (former NY Governor) had his career destroyed because one hooker, one of those “regular escorts”, decided to talk about a perfectly ordinary ball-draining mission for which he hired her.
It would be much easier for you or me. The girls could not make themselves famous at our expense.
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Actually, Spitzer was outed by his bank which reported one or more wires he had made in his own name (dumb, Dumb, DUMB) to a front company for the Emperor’s Club. They thought he was being extorted or was the victim of identity fraud, and that led to an investigation by the IRC CID. The hooker didn’t do him in (although in my view, from her pix, $15k doesn’t buy what it used to); it was the FBI wiretap. Once it was out there, she milked it for all it was worth (IIRC she had a column in the NY Post giving advice on “love”), but at that point, it was every ho’ for herself.
Spitz made a few tactical mistakes (assuming that one wants to pay for it):
1. Cash is King (and it’s ANONYMOUS).
2. Don’t be a sanctimonious dick, b/c when you get busted, you’re going to find out that you don’t have any friends.
3. Never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can win, and whatever you do, don’t put anything in an email…or leave a paper trail at your bank. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.
À bientôt
Mistral
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Good points. He left no room for plausible deniability with ‘want me to rent a room?’ never any reason to be that uber-direct with a chick you haven’t yet fucked, no matter who you are. ‘i’m at loews, 6th + 32nd’ is plenty direct.
Also to point out the most obvious thing in the world that we predictably saw glossed over in all media accounts of this:
The chick was deceitful 3 seperate times among just a few texts. 1) willingness to cheat on her bf, 2) ‘promising’ she wouldn’t blab about it, and 3) flaking on him after he met the ‘criteria’ she established.
but of course she was the victim, he might as well have raped her anyway.
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last line – meant to say ‘of course she was the victim, the way he’s been tarred and feathered it’s as though he’s been judged to have raped her’. i stated that clumsily. my bad.
and if he was that thirsty, i’d think he’d have his agent or someone just go pull a regular non-pro girl off the street ‘hey, wanna meet james franco? come with me into this 5 star $2000/night hotel…’ before needing to procure a high class hooker. i mean escort.
i think franco just likes the thrill of the hunt. in his own amateurish way.
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right, a small town scottish teen cutie for “free” is more exciting than a hooker
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I agree. He came off as try hard and too interested. He wrote way too much to her and he conceded sending her a picture without demanding one in return. I would have told the girl I am sending her that picture if she sends one back and it better be a good pic. The angles he could have played are endless. Him pretending to be offended by her questioning his honesty and proving her wrong would be one. Another angle would be getting a picture of her and telling her he’s not pleased with the picture and if she doesn’t try again, he will lose interest.
Another problem is that the questions he picked were silly and reeked of desperation.
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Fame is no excuse for lame …. A charmless hack worthy of contempt.
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Nah … but it’s good to see those men are no different from us. And likewise, celebrity chicks don’t have better pussies than the girl who works at your local Arby’s.
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Huh? The dude memorizes lines for a living!
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Arby’s chicks always have roast beef pussies. Scientific fact.
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haha
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Of course, whole edifices of cultural baggage to shame and contain that natural male impulse have been erected (heh) by threatened older women and beta males on the receiving end of the fallout from unchecked alpha male romantic pursuit and the delight of their pursued.
So true.
But his bad game is unforgivable simply because – you gotta have style.
James Franco will survive though, just like Kramer when calling a Black heckler who sabotaged his stand-up comedy a nigger. After all, James is a mischling, so the dictate will go out from the media owners and he will be “redeemed” in some way. After all, Hollywood accepts him even though he is a vandal and a thief:
“In his high school years, Franco was arrested for underage drinking, graffiti, and for being a part of a group that stole designer fragrances from department stores and sold them to classmates.”
(Wikipedia)
Thiefs, drug users, pedophiles (Woody Allen, Roman Polanski), open Marxists, perverts of all kinds – there is nothing the current Hollywood won’t accept and forgive, especially if you are one of the Chosen.
Nothing – except favoring decency.
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That’s a good point, especially considering the fact that everyone else in Hollywood got to where they are by being a shining paragon of moral virtue in all facets of their life. They’re going to kick him out for sure now since he is a vandal and a thief. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to find out that he did graffiti and shoplifted! He will destroy the country!
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It certainly busts your preconceptions.
You’ve heard of Fred Astaire, right? He was about the most famous movie star in the world, about 70 years ago. A decent singer and an incredible dancer. Women certainly swooned over him. He was 100 times more famous than the guy in this text exchange could ever think of being.
What was his style? Practicing his steps about 10 hours a day. He was a very plain, blue collar sort of guy who was meticulous about his work.
It’s a job, a performance.
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He did a cameo on the old 1970s Battlestar Galatica as a huckster who might be Starbuck (Dirk Benedict)’s father. While doing a scene in a launch tube, there was a little down time between takes, and Benedict saw Astair, then 79 years old, practising some dance steps beside a Viper.
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She is 17 getting hit on by James Franco.
What do you think will slavishly hit on her 15 years from now?
[CH: women aren’t known for their forward thinking in these sorts of matters.]
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True, although banging James Franco wouldn’t ease the inevitable blow of the wall. Its not like he proposed marriage. Turning him down but not announcing it to the whole world like a cunt would have been the smart, ladylike play.
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Why? She gets attention this way, and maybe a little sympathy from her friends.
I suppose it might affect her job prospects, but by then who will care about this?
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That’s fine enough for maximum dopamine hittage, but obviously the “smart, ladylike” play is almost universally at odds with what gets maximum sympathy, attention, and validation.
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You are all missing the subtext of this.
1) She is out of his league. I am sure that he doesn’t write that way to other women. Bad game is a tell of being nervous.
2) This raises point #2. Yes, a hottie 17 year old virgin could get James Franco to cough up a ring. That’s because the scarcity of hot 17 year old virgins is so extreme in a debauched singles market that the girl is worth her weight in solid platinum.
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Seth Rogen?
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Seth Rogen’s girlfriend is much better looking than he is
He looks like a complete Beta but apparently he has some Alpha in him ( or is it simply money and fame? )
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Seth plays a beta, thats his meal ticket and he plays it well.
But I detect a strong piece of shit in him. Koby Bryant is the same way; plays the beta because it pays well, but is really a piece of shit.
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His new contract doomed the Lakers winning a title again until he retires and it was a horrible decision by Kupchak. Why offer a raise to a man who is past his prime and just suffered a horrible injury?
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Probably because he still has great name recognition and that fills a lot of seats.
If you just mention that Bird and Magic are showing up for some kind of meaningless award… a lot of people will fill the seats.
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My gripe with it isn’t that the Lakers should have considered not re-signing Bryant. My gripe is that they could have done so cheaper. What were Bryant’s options? Retire or go play for another team. I doubt he would have done the first because he seems like a narcissist who would care about his image, which means he wouldn’t want to be seen as a pussy who was taken down by injury. Playing for another team is also unlikely because even if they won, the people who love to hate him would have simply said he won because he did the typical ring chasing at the end of the career. This would have resulted in a paycut compared to a lower Lakers offer too.
Bryant had no cards to play and the Lakers had a full house and they folded. This is why I think Kupchak made a horrible decision. The only benefit the Lakers get is being more appealing to star free agents because they show they don’t treat players like dirt, but they could have done this much cheaper.
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This was more than likely a publicity stunt. He’s got a movie coming out in the next few weeks about a football coach who pursues one of his pupils. And he’s prone to doing satire etc.
[CH: that’s a possibility, but reporters who cover these stars think he was sincere and is back pedaling to cover his shame.]
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If he’s smart he’ll play it that way. Right before the movie he can say, ta-da! Publicity stunt! April Fools! And no matter how implausible the story, he can just stick to it, stone cold. With the story of the movie being what it is, he has deniability. His manager definitely should instruct him to do this if he’s worth his salt/other white powder.
[CH: he might’ve even used the theme of his upcoming movie as an emergency plausible deniability strategy to provide opportunities to go after teenage hotties.]
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[CH: he might’ve even used the theme of his upcoming movie as an emergency plausible deniability strategy to provide opportunities to go after teenage hotties.]
Ever the perfectionist he was willing to risk public shame in order to get in touch with his character by getting in touch with the props.
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What kind of a creeper would I be if I didn’t try to defend him?
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It wasn’t his own character he was trying to get in touch with.
But I like you’re thinking of women as props.
Rape!
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I was thinking, props in his publicity stunt and movies. But yeah, let’s add it to the manosphere dictionary. “So I felt like having some fun in the sack and went out looking for some props yesterday…”
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Now wont teenage hotties all across America & the UK–and beyond,like Russia,China,Somalia–be alerted that this (somewhat 2nd rate) MOVIE STAR is up for banging civilian teen girls? Look for a deluge of dewey pussy up for grabs. “Chi tao fung guk chu bow tong sow bang?” ,heh heh heh.
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You mean like when Oprah is coincidentally victimized by racists right before she releases a movie? Make sense.
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Donny Osmond once complained the reason his career failed was because he never had a drug problem.
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So I get my cock sucked and full anal within fifteen minutes of a first meet
I understand the jealousy guys, really I do …
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Weak. I do a threesome with her and her sister within 10.
Topper rape!
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Umm, you get screwed in your rectum by another man in fifteen minutes. Anyone is supposed to be jealous? LOL Go spread some more HIV, buddy.
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HIV rape!
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Not my rectum. His.
Joyful …
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Gay dudes fucking each other w/in 15 mins of first meet is no more an accomplishment than breathing is. Gay dudes fuck all the time. This is not special.
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Haaaaaang on: the gay scene is a thousand times crueller than the straight.
Just see how many guys go home alone at the end of the night …
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IDK. I’m not gay. But I’m not buying the gay market being tougher than straight. Hell you are both men. Men want to fuck. Straight dudes will go so far as to put a bag over her head and still fuck her…. as long as nobody finds out about it.
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From what I know gay men are always willing and ready to have sex with other gay men
Years ago I read an article online from a gay magazine because many people were telling I had to read it so shocking it was, and in it I learned that in gay bath houses, they can have sex with as much as twenty different men in one night
should we be surprised they are the demographic group with the highest rates of sexually transmitted disease not only AIDS but many other ones.
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Maybe we’re more moderate in Ireland
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Jacy Catlin Apparently a lot of people don’t know what OPTIONAL means, and that’s exactly what tipping is. $2.30 an hour is still over $2,000 a paycheck if you work full time, plenty to live off of
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from here
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Bodybuilders Against Tipping. So random, so funny. facebook.com/bodybuildersag… #DefConTroll 30 minutes ago
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the math is not strong with that one
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yeah that’s bad game…but you can tell he just doesn’t give a fuck anyway
I mean if you’re famous and don’t really need game…why bother? just use your status to pound the vag and then go on doing whatever you want…if you think about it he’s actually more alpha than any of us can hope to be, as we’re all here discussing how to do better backflips to be more attractive to women lol
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clode rhyming with chode
he shoulda known
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It’s bad game when it doesn’t end in a fuck or a blowjob
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win.
If you”re a celebridude and she has stars in her eyes, if she isn’t tasting your sperm within an hour, you have failed at life.
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Celebrity rape!
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Correct
I’m a penniless nobody and if it’s not bj + full fuck on first go, I move on
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Exactly. Chicks ain’t worth more than that these days, worthless whores.
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Gay game: “Nice shirt. Let’s fuck.”
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No, not so long and drawn out …
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Gay game: “Nice shirt. Let’s fuck.”
From what I have heard “lets fuck” is usually enough
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true. Guy in my MBA program was gay. After finishing the program needed a place to stay for a week. It was an eye-opener. He had his computer and cell phone set up with multiple screens open, essentially drift net fishing for fucks. Usually, the interaction would go:
Him: Wink
Other Dude: Hey, nice profile pic. Got any dick pics?
Him: Yep. [send dick pics]
Other Dude: Nice. You free at 9 tonight?
Him: Yeah come over.
His place was like a brothel. I had to leave about 3 times when his fucks came over and then come back when he finished.
Being gay is like being a woman, as long as you are not hideous, you can get sex.
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I’m fussier.
Interaction has to start with good looking young guy promising to give me good head.
If he’s good enough I show my thanks by ruining his hole.
Easy. The focus is always on him being good enough to satisfy me.
I don’t worry about him
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“Being gay is like being a woman, as long as you are not hideous, you can get sex.”
RSDTyler makes a good point about reasons for getting into game and reasons to focus on self-development along with learning external game. To paraphrase:
“You get into game thinking if you can learn to seduce women and get laid anytime you want, that that’s going to make you happy and feel complete. What if you could get laid anytime you want, easily, and basically have sex on demand from new partners with practically no effort at all? Think you’d be happy then? Well, two types of people already have that: women, and gay dudes. Are all the women and gay dudes you know happy and complete and loving their lives? Fuck no. Getting laid isn’t going to solve anything for you, you have to actually work on other aspects of your life if you want to be happy and feel complete.”
It’s a good point, though not really relevant when you first get into game…the motivation of just slaying poon is a good motivator for getting through those first couple years of getting your ass handed to you. After that though, you have to start working on the rest of your life.
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The vast majority of fags I’ve known end up sleeping on their Moms couch and pining about true love to anyone who’ll listen. They’ll talk butch to straight guys and all emotionally affected with women – They talk, talk, talk ad nauseam about their wild “lifestyle” – and for a time they seem happy – but in the end, they invariably devolve into being just a sad old fag working a glory hole… and still they won’t shut up. Enough, please – for the love of christ – just shut up!
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What is really interesting is that the girl felt the need, the compulsion to leak this chat. A famous guy hit on her and she NEEDED to get something out of it. She didn’t want the D, so she had to collect her prize: attention. Status. Public validation of her hotness.
I think John Mayer mentioned that he got LMR a lot. Girls loved being the girl that rejected John Mayer. It goes to show that girls, probably depending on time of the month, want attention moreso than sex. Once she knows you will definitely have sex with her, that’s as good as fucking to her. That’s her conquest. Another data point for always wrapping your interactions in plausible deniability, disrection, and uncertain sexual tension. Or as the PUAs say, push-pull.
As far as his actual “game”, I had this chalked up more to famous guy lazy game than any true beta core. Probably has about 50% hit rate. The “bye” was fucking money.
The only time I am this terse and sloppily direct is when I am texting two other girls and also doing some work of relevance, usually logical in nature so I don’t have the flirt-module activated. Franco is probably a busy guy so that could also have been the case. Obviously not good game, but I’m not ready to indict him based on one text chat.
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disagree; I think most male celebrities are uber-betas who use their desire to get laid as motivation to become famous, instead of learning game.
when my comment comes out of moderation,it will explain more.
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Moderation rape!
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Its an ineresting theory but there is probably too much variation in celebrity game to generalize them. As far as Franco, I stand by that its a snippet of lazy game that fails the jumbotron test but to judge his game on the whole we are left with insufficient data.
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We’ll agree to disagree then. I’d be interested to see what you think when my full post comes out—please, O Dark Lords, set the truth (of whorefinder) free!
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the irony of the “lazy game” theory is that he could’ve been lazier & been more effective: less replies, less questions, less photos. He could’ve just said he’s going to a bar near her hotel & that she can meet there or not. Rinse & repeat w/ some other groupies, & at least one will show up. And if not, meet some new groupies there.
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Seriously, I would be surprised by the number of guys who talk about girls who are desperate for validation because they didn’t get enough attention from daddy, but think the reason they fall apart at the first rejection is because… they’re an Alpha Male? I would be surprised if it wasn’t so goddamn obvious that insecurity is the most powerful motivation.
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yeah. struggled getting my head around this initially. i’ve had situations when looking for a quick fuck and targeted low hanging fruit, only to be taken to the brink and publicly knocked back with a smirk and exaggerated gestures.
But I still think there is an inherent stupidity/oblivousness in their actions – don’t they realise they are just a fuck? Do they honestly think they would inspire long term committment/attention?
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Yup, trying to throw a dog a bone can really blow up in your face. You might be underestimating their game though. Are they really stupid/ oblivious enough to think that you were considering long term committment/ attention? Probably not, they probably know that they’re a short term fix at best. So the only way for her to get one up on you is to reject your short-term offers & pretend that they were long-term offers. It’s a sadly smart move in an unattractive woman’s war of attrition.
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Lazy sloppy game. Every girl wants to feel like a special unique snowflake, even if she’s some random 17yo who hasn’t done anything with her life except sprout tits and you’re an accomplished celebrity.
He had Attraction because he’s James Franco, but he didn’t bother to even try to get a little Comfort/Rapport (and it wouldn’t have taken much), so her ASD won’t let her do it.
This is the same thing that happens to a lot of intermediate PUAs when they first start collecting mass amounts of phone numbers and go out and open 20 sets, come out with 15 numbers, and then those numbers all flake. They were running flash game that got them Attraction, but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. So none of those 15 girls feels “special” and the guy gets 15 flakes until he learns that he needs to start adding Comfort/Rapport, qualifying/screening, etc. to his game.
Same time, he’s James Franco, so I’m sure he has no fucks to give and was probably taking a shit while txting this chick and has a dozen other girls banging on the door ready to suck his dick.
But it’s a good lesson for guys that a lot of stuff society deems high-value like looks, money, fame, muscles, height, etc. DO get you Attention, and that’s usually pretty easy to turn into Attraction, but you can still lose the lay if you don’t understand Comfort/Rapport…even if you’re an A-list celebrity like Franco.
This kind of thing is also why I view myself as the highest value man in the room at all times…am I, objectively, by society’s socially conditioned value-system? Fuck no, definitely not lol But I believe that I’m more capable than basically every other man in the room of giving women the seductive and sexual experience they crave and respond to, and that a lot of guys with society’s version of “high-value” spent too much time earning that high-value to bother learning tight game and in one-on-one situations with girls, I’ll probably come out on top more consistently.
Juggler Method is probably the best resource for learning about Comfort/Rapport for guys interested in learning more.
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It’s funny to read this and think my game is strong enough that I probably could’ve gotten the meetup / lay with this girl if I matched her on Tinder, but that an A-list leading man with shitty game can’t. Power of game for ya.
Except I might have swiped left on her. She’s a low 7
http://hollywoodlife.com/pics/james-franco-pics/#!3/lucy-clode-james-franco-girl-2/
Shouldn’t this guy be banging super models?
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Low 7 — That might be the most accurate rating ever given to a girl on this forum.
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1. Most Hollywood chicks benefit from a healthy PR system/photoshop/makup/stylists/gays talking them up. Kim Kardashian is an extreme example of how a good P.R. specialist, photoshopping your tubby fatness away, and extreme plastic surgery on your face combined with makeup to hide the (reportedly bad) scars) can fool a bunch of betas (re: darkies) into thinking you’re unattainably hot. So Franco’s just grabbing just-as-good fruit without the rot.
2. Even though he could get steak and she’s a hamburger, she’s a tasty hamburger, and he’s hungry for a hamburger.
3. Disparity power. If he really is the beta he’s projecting, having a non-famous gf gives him a lot more power than if he were dating, say, ScarJo. George Clooney reportedly said that he’ll date hat check girls over other actresses because, to actresses, he’s an equal, but to the hat check girl, he’s George Fuckin’ Clooney, and he can therefore do whatever he wants. Also why boss +secretary romances worked so well before feminist rot ruined them—a boss could be a beta-provider, but the power disparity made the secretary happy because he seemed alpha to her.
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Very good post, Sir Whorefinder. Especially the part about Kardashian. One wonders how many times she had to open her jaws for something that wasn’t lunch in order to get fame for absolutely nothing. When you can pick a thousand young girls out there who look better.
People don’t remember it now, but Kardashian was promoted in the wake of Jennifer Lopez’ fame. Kardashian was packaged as the next Jennifer Lopez, i.e. a dusky woman with a slim waist (photo…shop) and a big ass. Lopez was a singer, but the second time around they decided to skip any demands for talent whatsoever and just go for the ass.
Also why boss +secretary romances worked so well before feminist rot ruined them
Also why it is probably best if the woman is several years younger than the man.
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Maybe the “business” has gotten so sick that nobody in the biz wants a partner who is also in the biz. It seems that lately there are less showbiz – showbiz couples. One used to hear that only another star could understand someone in the biz, now I don’t see that.
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Don’t forget the butt implants.
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Clooney also dates the hat check girl b/c she’s more likely to look like a woman (i.e. with feminine curves) than women in the industry, who look like Skeletor*. The fashion industry, run buy “ladies of a certain age” and gay guys is even worse. Ever notice that most fashion models have the bodies of androgynous adolescent boys? That’s b/c that’s what the gay guys who run fashion go for. If the modeling industry was run by straight men there’d be some Booty On Duty.
À bientôt
Mistral
*a/k/a Annalyne McCord. If ever there was a girl who needed a cheeseburger, it’s her. And Denise Richards (although, in fairness, she’s never going to look like she did in ‘Wild Things’ again.)
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I think this is also why traditional marriages work, while the equal partnership crap has a divorce rate above 50%. I largely see no benefit for me in a modern marriage so I fail to understand why men even get married. In my country you don’t even get tax benefits.
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So 7 is “swiped left on” now? The score inflation keeps going up, while most of those involved pull 5s IRL and call them 7s and 8s online. As seen in forum pictures.
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Yes, this. The vast majority of men would fail with even the chick in that pic. She’s young and pretty hot. I’d agree she’s a 7…maybe slightly higher….but 7 is pretty great.
[CH: unfortunately, she has the telltale manjaw thing going on, which drops her a point.]
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oh good eye. I didn’t even notice it the first time I looked at the pic. Hmmmmmmm……well, instead of choking her during, just grab her big lantern jaw. Like in that smooshface way.
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Anonymous internet pointy elbow bullshit. The girl is very attractive and 17. If you’d truly pass on her then te salud, Don Corleone. I’d like to see the pics of the last 3 you banged for comparison.
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I’m at a point in which I’m forcing myself to shoot higher, because most of the girls I hook up with are 7s and I’d like to level up. No pain no gain. So yes, based on the picture I posted of her I might have swiped left. She looked much better in other pics I saw on which I would have swiped right.
Thrill of the hunt vs. pleasure of sex etc etc
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YaReally, can you tell me a forum that I can visit to work on my game? I’m out of practice and need remedial education.
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@YaReally….Here’s my new “neg” for girls who add me on Facebook:
“oh… it’s you…”
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Yeah, that Juggler Method should be on every dude’s reading list. That review by Vladimir (I believe that was his name) was awesome (even thought I could only see a portion of the pages as they want people to pay for the rest.
So it’s:
Juggler Method
Sex God Method
for the win. Those two have had a profound effect on my game understanding. (This site and your archive too, of course)
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This is exactly what I’ve said for a very long time.
I saw the same thing with Tiger Woods. Remember the Tiger Woods/cheating fiasco? Yeah, when his text messages came out, they were so pathetic, you could actually hear the vaginas of the 8-9s he banged drying up, but then their hamster shouting them wet again with : “he’s freaking Tiger Woods!” Go read them, they really are chillingly uber-beta.
And Tiger’s not a rare bird by famous dudes’ standards.
Having lived in NYC for a while (where you can and do randomly run into celebrities when you’re out on the town) and having some acquaintances in the film/television/cathedral-porpaganda-entertainment industry (note, I didn’t know the actual stars, but some associate producers/film festival workers/high-end catering wait staff/fresh young hot interns)—well, I’ve heard and see this so often, it’s cliche to me now: celebrity dudes have absolutely NO game, and completely rely on their fame as social proof.
I think the reason a 3rd rate celebrity like Scott Baio cleaned up for so long was because he was the one eyed man in the land of the blind—the stories I’ve heard from girls about how a celebrity dude acted to hit on them would make them hit the “creepy” button if the guy weren’t on Dawson’s Crack..
I hear the Dark Lords’ argument that perhaps celebridudes’ game just atrophies due to the free pussy fame gets them, but I think its a bit different. Celebrity comes at so high a price these days that you need an incredible drive to make it to a big time movie or television star or music star or sports star.
The price is so high no one here would pay it—plastic surgery, steroids, heavy drugs, life of poverty for decades, loneliness, constantly working and denying yourself pleasure, dealing with an industry of child molesters and people with mental diseases, the emptiness of the work—-and, even more messed up, many of these straight dudes have to go gay to get a part part. John Travolta ranted about this to a masseuse he later came on to (“I wasn’t even gay when I started! I had to do this to get parts!”). Remember that the next time you see some random dude get a major push by an entertainment industry—he probably let more than a few of the Gay Mafia have their way with him. (Sports are not ruled by the Gay Mafia (yet), but all the other conditions apply).
Anyway, the main point is: what would cause a man to throw aside all dignity, all pride, all self-respect, and compete single-mindedly for such a distant chance for fame? An extreme need for pussy, that’s what. And what would cause that need? Being so damn awful with women that they’re almost literally repelled by your game—so that such fame was, in their minds, the ONLY way to get laid.
I truly do believe that most straight celebritdudes were so bad with girls IRL that it drove them to surmount the incredible obstacles to become famous so they could finally get laid. Only to realize now that a year reading Heartiste would have been worth the 15 they spent sucking gay cock, washing dishes, and delivering cocaine to the producer.
Also, Franco in particular is outed as a weirdo even by actor standards. Even after his mega-fame hit, he decided (as a meta-joke) to guest star for a while on a major daytime soap opera. He seems to be try-harding to be a Bill Murray-gadfly-I-show-up-everywhere Zelig; but, as a try-hard, it just comes off creepy. Like The Greatest Beta.
Callback rape!
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Plus ++++++++
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I truly do believe that most straight celebritdudes were so bad with girls IRL that it drove them to surmount the incredible obstacles to become famous so they could finally get laid. Only to realize now that a year reading Heartiste would have been worth the 15 they spent sucking gay cock, washing dishes, and delivering cocaine to the producer.
Agreed. Best dark humor I’ve seen in the past week.
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“to guest star for a while on a major daytime soap opera”
There are actually very important lessons on game (specifically eye-contact, vocal tonality/speed, body language, takeaways, qualifying/cold-reading, leading, vulnerability, etc.) in his General Hospital performance, specifically the clips I’m linking below.
It looks like he very purposely went over the top with his performance in it, hamming up the intense seductiveness of his character, but in doing so he actually accidentally provided an extremely useful teaching example of solid seduction game (primarily for the Comfort and Seduction stages, not so much Attraction tho you can apply a lot of it to that too). As I get older my game is gravitating more toward “searing hot coal intensity” VS “raging bushfire shotgun blast”, where I zero in on a girl with low intense energy rather than working large groups with high-energy.
Before watching the General Hospital clips, watch these two videos:
27:00 – 38:27 in this Gambler clip:
And this entire fucking video lol:
Then watch for the principles these guys were talking about (locking eye-contact, slowing down how you talk and going into a bedroom voice, no dancing monkey body movements, creating a bubble, cutting space, etc.), in Franco’s performance on GH. You can see him blatantly taking those things to the extreme, and it’s silly to us as men to see it…but the women watching this shit cream themselves over it because they’ve experienced similar shit in real life and he’s just amping it up over the top:
This is a great style of game for older guys and naturally low-energy guys. You could be chilling at a pub/lounge solo and strike up a conversation with with the woman beside you and run this kind of thing and build sexual attraction ridiculously fast.
Also I like this clip. It’s Dave Franco interviewing James Franco and it’s interesting to see the difference in their vibes. Dave is more of a dancing monkey approval seeking type, and James is more rock-solid. Dave tries to fill silences with nervous chatter and glances all around, James is cool with letting the conversation drop into silence while he just stares the other person down:
You can also see in that clip that he messes with a Steve Jobs style intense eye-contact where he tries to convince his brother to do things and just kind of flips on hard eye-contact with a “do it. say it. do it.” intensity, basically getting self-amusement out of applying pressure to someone else. He does it to him at 2:00 into this clip:
Watch his eyes when he says “Sniff it. (YOU sniff it) You sniff it.”, they’re locked on with laser intensity trying to pressure Dave.
It’s the same thing Robbie Williams does in this clip at 1:30:
With this eye-contact thing, the key I’m finding is that cutting the space is what builds the actual sexual tension. Like you can hold solid eye-contact, and that’s confident and attractive, sure, but it’s once you take a step forward or lean forward and start closing the gap, that’s when the girl’s hamster goes into overdrive. Notice how Gambler up above steps forward when the girl is talking about her trip to Japan and the closer he gets the more she loses it. Same with Robbie, he leans forward closing the gap and the tension goes through the roof so hard that even the girls in the background are freaking out…and then he suddenly pulls away and turns it off, only to go back in again.
Anyway, so there’s a bit of a defense of James Franco in general since we’re all shitting on his actual game right now. You can learn bits and pieces of game from sometimes unlikely sources like a hammy daytime soap opera performance if you keep your mind open lol
Props to anyone who actually watches all this shit I just linked. It’ll open up a new area of game to you to play with that traditional PUA stuff doesn’t really touch on (in fact a lot of PUA theory is based around avoiding too much eye-contact to seem aloof and high-value so I’ve had to unwire those habits to rewire this intense eye-contact style into my brain). Part of why I don’t post as much now is that I’m experimenting with this stuff and adapting it into my game and while the results have been really fucking interesting, I don’t want to really post about it in-depth until I can break it down into something concise and teachable so you can just read it and be like “oh, shit, that makes sense, and here are some exercises to try”.
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That’s the funniest shit I’ve seen in years. He really reminds me of pompous acting teachers I encountered in Dublin.
Having viewed that, I’m now convinced that the text game is a piss take. Franco is deeply ironic and plays carefully manipulated double and triple bluffs. He’s far too sophisticated to make a fool of himself otherwise
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YaReally, I’m a naturally low energy artsy guy (girls always comment on how quiet I am and that it drives them crazy) and even though I’ve studied RSD and your stuff in depth for the general principles this is basically the style of game I actually run.
You should really take a look at 60 years of challenge–he basically wrote the textbook on this game style. It’s incredibly powerful stuff IF your internals are solid. A newbie would look creepy as fuck doing this.
My buddy runs awesome RSD style game, we hit up college bars and parties together in NYC and his style isn’t any more effective than mine, even though by common sense you’d probably assume that RSD / frat star style game would work better with younger girls.
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@kant
“You should really take a look at 60 years of challenge–he basically wrote the textbook on this game style.”
Interesting, I’ll check it out. I’ve heard of him, but he came after my main community years so I just figured it was the usual “repackage oldschool PUA to sell a product” stuff.
“My buddy runs awesome RSD style game, we hit up college bars and parties together in NYC and his style isn’t any more effective than mine, even though by common sense you’d probably assume that RSD / frat star style game would work better with younger girls.”
Right, there’s a lot of nuances going on. I’m finding even within the intense searing coal style, there’s a lot to calibrate for consistent results…like I think a lot of guys use it to go super direct, but they end up triggering a lot of ASD that way because it’s just so much so fast. I’m doing kind of an indirect sexual game mixed with direct eye-contact/intent…not sure how to explain it quite yet, I have a PUA buddy here and we’re both experimenting with it (he has an even lower energy style game than I do) and comparing notes etc. Best way I can describe it so far is that it’s almost a push/pull combination, where you’re pushing her away with your verbals by being indirect and disqualifying her, but pulling her with your eye-contact, vocal tonality, etc. so that she’s kind of confused about whether you like her or not and she ends up choosing you because she wants to solve the mystery VS being totally indirect like oldschool PUA and risking seeming like you don’t have a dick, or being totally direct like a lot of direct game guys have been doing and risking scaring them off.
I’ll do up a big explanation of it all down the road, I figure it’ll be a few more months of experimenting still and it’s really just expanding on the Gambler/Liam stuff up above. I think RSD style would be better in the clubs, but this is great for lower energy venues like bars/pubs and situations where a girl is required to spend time interacting with you (work, school, social circle stuff like house parties, hired guns like waitresses, strippers, etc.).
“It’s incredibly powerful stuff IF your internals are solid. A newbie would look creepy as fuck doing this.”
One of the interesting things my buddy and I have concluded is that this style we’re experimenting with wouldn’t have been useful when we started out because we didn’t have solid internals. We head out with some younger guys who are still in the newbie stage and they’re great guys, fun, get a lot of Attraction, but they don’t have the solid “oak tree” core to back up running this stuff and would, like you say, look creepy as fuck or just weird the girls out.
Anyway, thanks for the recommendation, I’ll definitely check 60 out. I’m looking into anything that feeds into this style right now and seeing what I can cherry pick and experiment with.
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@YaReally
You pretty much describe it perfectly. I usually ask open ended chodey questions and look at her with a poker face while she qualifies, and I can get away with this because I’m gaming her physically rather than verbally. Every once in a while I’ll look away, act aloof and give her some light teasing, but its mostly for variety. 60 mentions that one of the best things about this is that you can’t be accused of “hitting on her”, since all you’re really doing is amping up the sexual tension. And everyone around can feel it but they don’t know what’s happening.
Actually when Gambler came out with his stealth attraction stuff a lot of old 60 fans felt he was ripping him off. I think 60 is great but he never managed to achieve the mainstream success guys like Tyler and Gambler have.
As for the club, one thing that helps me there is that I actually really like dancing. If you’ve ever seen an alpha guy at the club dancing in a way that he’s not moving that much but still looking cooler than the guys going crazy and taking up the room, that’s pretty much my style. Approaching girls from there is fairly easy.
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@kant
“Actually when Gambler came out with his stealth attraction stuff a lot of old 60 fans felt he was ripping him off.”
Interesting. Was not aware of this at all. Gambler/Liam’s live demos were the convincing part for me. If I had just read about them I don’t think it would’ve had the impact, but seeing them demo’ed a few times aligned with things I’ve experienced in the field and while I was executing this by fluke now and then before, now I’m focusing on very consciously applying it.
“60 mentions that one of the best things about this is that you can’t be accused of “hitting on her”, since all you’re really doing is amping up the sexual tension. And everyone around can feel it but they don’t know what’s happening.”
Right, that’s what we’ve been running into. We’re basically being indirectly sexual (so we talk about sexual topics/stories that show we have open non-judgemental attitudes toward sex, but haven’t actually chosen her yet), while amping up the tension to where she chooses/chases us and helps arrange her own isolation.
“As for the club, one thing that helps me there is that I actually really like dancing.”
lol ya I don’t dance, my game is primarily verbal so that’s why I’m messing with this stuff. At 30+ doing high-fives and spins feels incongruent to me. My verbal game was always sharp, but there was still a lot of inconsistencies going on because it would take a few things to align by fluke to get that huge sexual chemistry quickly…but now I’m purposely grabbing those things and forcing them to align each time.
Will definitely check out 60’s stuff now, thanks for the heads-up.
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What kind of dancing do you do?
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Damn I just read all this and got really depressed. Ive been going out a ton, sometimes I do a lot of approaches, sometimes I still choke and just stand around like a chode. I’ve yet to get even a number and at best I provide a little dancing monkey validation for the girls before they walk away. The level of skill you’re talking about here just seems unattainable to me.
I feel like I’m too omega to ever have a chance and I’m just wasting my time and making a fool out of myself. I’m starting to get resentful of my beta friends, I can’t understand how they are pussies that can’t do cold approaches but still somehow get laid through their social circles. I don’t fucking have any social circles to get laid from like that.
I’ve been involuntarily celibate for years now and it seems like its going to stay that way. I dunno why Im even trying to post this (my last post didnt make it through moderation for some reason), I don’t want any pity. I just maybe need to express myself a bit before I kill myself, lol (only slightly joking, I’ve had suicidal thoughts for years)
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blotter – you can get with women. aim high (don’t just ‘aim for beta’). red pill wisdom + outer work is not enough. you need inner work too.
i hereby issue you this 30 day challenge:
1) create 5 affirmations/’extreme self talk’. this is your inner work. do it every day, morning noon and night. 3 times per day minimum.
2) go out to places you enjoy at least 4 nights per week.
3) watch the vids ‘ya really’ just posted, or any films you like with alpha actors. emulate them when you go out. wed ‘being yourself’ with this new behavior. slow down. chill out.
4) wish people well when you see them having success. do not let envy detract from your personal development. make their success your inspiration.
5) keep reading the red pill blogs that resonate with you, and keep asking questions along the way.
all the best.
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@blotter
What you need is better internals. Watch RSD’s Blueprint (they don’t mind if you pirate it). Then checkout the videos YaReally posted here and start emulating how guys like Liam and Gambler stand, talk, walk, and interact with people–basically fake it till you make it.
It’s great that you have the balls to cold approach and even though pickup is a numbers game to some degree your success will skyrocket once your internals get really solid (I can’t remember last time I was in a room alone with a target and didn’t get at least a make out). I think working on your inner game is the best thing you can do right now to 1. feel better emotionally and 2. actually get results
I think guys like CH advocate focusing on outer game / tactics because they already have strong internals lol. But reading CH will certainly also help in getting in a more alpha mindset
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yup, all of what Steve H said. Also read up on YaReally’s comments on creating value internally – https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/reader-mailbag-its-not-the-venue-its-you/#comment-547742
My close friends are all like that, or in relationships where they’re submissive – most of them married or engaged! It all takes work, but it can’t get any worse right? Realize that you aren’t made of glass, that the world can push you around a bit & you’ll recover & still be able to approach another girl. Realize that you’re far from alone in how you feel, that guys are killing themselves at unprecedented rates, but that doesn’t give you an excuse to follow suit. Are you honestly doing everything you can to become a better version of yourself? Keep working at it, keep your chin up, look at it all as an experiment, like ‘how much shit can the world throw at me before it becomes too much, before I have to stop approaching girls because I’m no longer capable?’. You’ll never reach that point, so keep working. If you haven’t already, start weight training – not for looks but for the chemicals it produces in your body & mind. Be proud that although it’s hard at times, you kept at it & were tough & determined enough to do what most other men chose not to.
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Soap opera game?
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Paul Walker chuckled.
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except his jaw fell off when he did so because he’s dead!
Too soon rape!
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“I just want proper evidence that it’s you and I won’t (tell).” Mmmhm.
Franco basically was too thirsty, or perhaps too used to takeout, but it really fell apart when he started complying towards the end. When the girl’s getting too difficult, take a step back and think dude. Or just put the phone down for a couple of hours.
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He should have asked for slutty pics in return. Not only would have it been a fair barter, she couldn’t have published the conversation either.
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Perfect omega cringing delight from Funny Mama. Liquid Nitrogen may be enough for this guy. Enjoy
http://funnymama.com/post/271869
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[…] By CH […]
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Not really on topic, but has anyone else noticed the extreme amount of interracial suggestion being flung at white girl’s in music videos nowadays? I saw Calvin Harris’s So Close To You music video last night for the first time.
In the video, a group of white high school cheerleaders in a high class suburb are practising their routine on their lawn when a pure group of black guys shows up and starts street dancing in front of them. The white girls do some flips, obviously trying to upstage the black guys. The black guys then do some flips back, and at the end of the video it shows all the white girls walking off with the black guys, the guy’s arms over the girl’s shoulders, implying that they’re all now romantically involved. Several other music videos released show this as well; brown or black guys picking up, dancing with, grinding on white girls. Videos for that Mulatto duo LMFAO have them straight up biting white asses.
So what do you think CH and fellow Heartistians? Is this interracial push on white girls a design by the Oligarchs to muddy up the gene pool and further white genocide, or is it simply appealing to a fantasy all white chicks have in the first place?
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The former.
When I was young, blacks were just regarded as undesirable. If it’s a white girl’s fantasy now, that fantasy was placed there. This is just more of the same or along the same line.
White guys are not in too much trouble, we can always look overseas. The ones really destroyed by this are black chicks. It destroys what little SMV they might have in the black community.
And yet these girls continue to vote for Frankfurt school candidates, reliably, who will ensure they can abort their children as well as tempting their black men to leave their gene pool as well.
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No comment.
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Sounds like a typical commercial for insurance or bug spray.
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I’ve seen a lot of UK television commercials recently with mixed race couples, all attractive white women with black men. Cheerios, DFS, Halifax and many more. It’s disgusting to see this agenda being blatanty pushed.
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that’s been on for long time shit
movies
lesbian shit
yea can’t help but put the suggestion in the brain
why i like my ghetto bitches they haven’t seen that much tv he he he
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prolly why i love bartenders for the sport of it.
they have seen it all
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That first one, as FamilyMan correctly points out. White women are actually the least likely females to date outside their race. In fact there’s a strong argument that “white racism” is driven by women. Men will happily brick inside the pink love wallets of attractive females, regardless of what shade of tawny they are (see the British Raj, or really, anywhere the British went); women generally discriminate in favor of men of their own race, with the exception that Asian women do not generally discriminate against white males.*
So when you see a half-Asian person, it’s a 99% lock that dad is white and mom is Asian. When you see a black person who is a pleasant “cafe au lait” color, sure it could be some white girl** got off the reservation, but it’s also just as likely that there’s some Thomas-Jefferson-on-Sally-Hemmings action in the family tree.
À bientôt
Mistral
*So it’s not so much that white men have “Yellow Fever”, it’s that Asian girls are “Snow Blind”.
**Often the type that looks like they’re made up of spare dinosaur parts.
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This is very true. It’s men who’ll gladly miscegenate with any attractive female who gives them the opportunity, especially if women of their own race/nationality are considered “stuck up” or difficult. Hypergamous women are the ones who generally refuse to date outside their race, which is why these ad campaigns are aimed at them. Study after study confirms this, and you can see it with your own eyes. There are reams of manosphere blogs related to scoring with foreign women, arguing white Western women are considered too stuck up and fat to deal with. Meanwhile, even the most Obama-loving liberal white feminists I know solely date white men (usually scrawny SWPL beta hipster herblings).
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“Hypergamous women are the ones who generally refuse to date outside their race, which is why these ad campaigns are aimed at them.”
I’m not following this logic. Hypergamy is simply trading up. If one feels that a man of different ethnicity is of a higher value (however defined) and obtainable than the current, it’s a match.
If one feels that any other ethnicity isn’t of higher value no matter what, then that’s a criteria specific to that person for whatever reason. There are no “hypergamous women,” women ARE hypergamous.
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**Often the type that looks like they’re made up of spare dinosaur parts.
Guffaw!
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Ok, but just to rain on your parades a bit, my observation of interracial “liaisons” in europe is that it’s pretty much always white woman, black male. And quite a few are high smv white girls. You get the fatties too obviously, but I suspect clever just-out-of-the-shipping-container Malik is making sure he’s got some anchor babies to assist his application. This ties in perfectly with immigration theory: if an African, Pakistani, Polack, etc is leaving to work abroad, the man of the house will go first, find work and establish himself in the new country, and the women come along later, often years later. Most 3rd world immigrants are men, and men generally have a better chance of making it through some pretty tough asylum seeking routes. Occasionally, I observe beta white males going with the exotic “other” but at least in those cases the coffee baby will have a father in its life. It might be different in countries where immigration and cultural diversity has been long established. The Brits are fairly randy bastards and are like auto-glass repairmen (peripatetic tradesmen who spend their days injecting their special resin at high pressure into dubious cracks of various shapes and sizes)
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Ever been in sales? You can’t sell if the desire to buy was not already there. Weird though White woman Black male couples are either People of Wal Mart fattie woman or fairly hot, few middling attractiveness. Alt theory, fewer social constraints means appealing to Jungle fever id of White women has no costs of White guy anger. You never see in ads White guy Black female though you see it in dramas on TV.
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“Weird though White woman Black male couples are either People of Wal Mart fattie woman or fairly hot, few middling attractiveness. ”
I think that’s due to white men not being willing to take white women who race mix seriously, so either women with no hope of getting a white man or women who are hot enough not to suffer that much sleep with men of other races.
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so either women with no hope of getting a white man or women who are hot enough not to suffer that much sleep with men of other races.
Possibly. Although if a hot white woman gets knocked up by a groid, it’ll still make things a lot harder for her.
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Attractive white women are pretty difficult to get as a minority (trust), but once you get them, they’re yours. Plus side is that your identity will just be so different than what she’s experienced that idk how she won’t be some sort of alpha widow after.
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Idk, there’s a pretty white chick I met who probably burned coal who I was chatting up for info. Her black friend was also in the building. She was leaning in while we chatted while I faced away and she asked if I’d be back next week. A little needy. Doesn’t sound very alpha widow to me. I didn’t ask for her phone no., but she didn’t offer it either. I didn’t sexualize and wasn’t interested in anything but info.
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You barely know the girl tho…..
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You’re right, I hardly know her. Her black man-friend got her the job she’s at and she’s been in bars in da hood where she met him. Burning coal is probably not something she’s gonna advertise. Especially if she’s looking for bb. Which she’s at the age to do now. And she’s not getting much money at her new job at the bar unless she’s stealing–and even then, not a lot. She needs extra income.
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I talked to a few of these girls and none seemed to suffer from alpha widow more than other girls.
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You started me thinking…My college fling was engaged when we flung…then broke off the engagement about six months later. I invited her to my frat’s dance about four months after the fling and she danced one dance with me with a shit-eating grin on her face the whole time. She never had kids even though she eventually married. I left school about the time she broke off her engagement. I don’t doubt that our fling had something to do with her breaking off her engagement. Not sure if she was an actual alpha widow, though. It would really suck if she never had kids because of me. She was very lovely and would have made a great mother.
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And I’ve noticed the opposite (at least in Atlanta)…the Black women who date White men are usually way hotter than average, probably because White men tend to have more SMV options.
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You guys need to study some basic game theory. The reason why this is pushed is because it’s good business. White people won’t complain about it because nattering nincompoops will start rambling about waycissssm, while if commercials had only white people, nonwhites would complain. Having only nonwhites would alienate the white consumers. So it makes business sense to push this.
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Some white girls park down the street when they come over for a booty call.
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Every time I read you my anus flowers like a water lily.
[CH: sorry, not my scene man.]
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Why is CH apologizing for being straight? 🙂
[CH: some closeted haters need to be let down easily. i’m a humanitarian that way.]
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Anyone who is surprised by this, or saying “oh he’ll be back to his normal game tomorrow”, is a beta for life. Seriously you’re saying this guy is famous so he obviously must be better than you in every way? Whenever you pass someone who has been on TV do you bow down so low you can lick the sewer grate and stay there until they’ve left your sight? He’s a man, you’re (almost) a man (unless you’re a woman reading this in which case I say you can do better so leave your number below and I’ll show you a real man). Get over your insecurity and start acting like it and you’ll know what real game is. Half the commenters here obviously haven’t pulled anything more than a pirated video of Brittney-whats-her-name-the-college-porn-star because they couldn’t find their parents’ credit card. My only joy in life is knowing that you will never reproduce. Now go run off and play with the other girls “reading” magazines from the supermarket checkout and getting mad at the impossibly perfect photoshops in them.
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I remember reading a long article about Tiger Woods’ “sex addiction” and being blown away at how needy and weird he was with all these chicks. He’s a perfect example of the power of fame, because he’s both socially awkward *and* physically unattractive. At least Franco is somewhat hot.
Dunno, this just reads to me like a guy who’s used to getting laid easily and is just trying to set something up quick… doesn’t care about niceties, and is willing to drop the conversation and go on to the next prospect if she’s not down to meet in ten minutes or less. I’d probably think less of him if he was running game on her over time, even if good game, because he shouldn’t have to make any sustained effort with this girl or most girls.
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Yeah. I remember seeing footage of Drake around Nicki Minaj. Dude was so thirsty and obvious. Minaj was rolling her eyes at his obseqiousness. Dude’s a grade A celebrity and had no actual game. Most famous people only have a special talent that make them famous. No different than the superstar accountant who is partner at the big firm.
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“I’d probably think less of him if he was running game on her over time, even if good game . . .”
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Can’t agree with that, Amy. You’d think less of him for knowing what he was doing and making a good job of it? You think more of him for being incompetent?
It’s what I’ve always said about (most) actors: take away their crutch, which is scriptwriters and screenwriters, and it is immediately apparent that their pretty little heads are completely empty. No original thought, no wit, no style.
And these people think of themselves as creative!
I just noticed another thing: I think Lucy may have started pissing about with him right at the end. All of a sudden she says that she finds him “dodgy” (which in British English means dubious, of doubtful provenance), and then she decides to have a laugh and see if she can get a photo of him holding up a piece of paper with her name on it. AND THE DOPE FALLS FOR IT.
But then, he didn’t have his script-crutch in front of him, so he’s very likely to screw it up.
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I don’t mind the fact that he put no effort in, which is understandable. It’s just that he acted like a teenage fool. Everything he said is just so bad.
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but he DIDN’T put no effort in. He put in lots of effort: more replies than her, more questions than her, more pics than her. That was his bad game. He could’ve done good game in just a couple messages & had it work out for him.
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He put no intellectual effort in it. I agree with you, I was unclear in what I wrote.
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I see what you mean. It’s kind of like Blaise Pascal’s line: “I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time.”
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Ugh .. How hard is it to write a few charismatic and seductive lines – the dude memorizes scripts for a living! Not even an emoticon cat?
Today he calls it up like room service and tomorrow, he’ll be crying on Oprah’s couch about all the joyless sex – yet another long article in People Magazine.
Spare us the drama – It’s a repeat, anyway.
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On a tangent:
beta masturbation: online, looking at others
alpha masturbation: reminiscing over your own previous fucks …
I know which type I do
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CfD: “I know which type I do”
Dude, what the fuck are you commenting here for? Nobody gives a ‘shit’ what you do.
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Alpha males are not homosexual
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Alpha males are not homosexual
I agree.
Seducing beautiful women is an art and few are very good at it, while seducing gay men is closer to shooting fish in barrel because gay men are always ready to go.
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His goal is to disrupt and divert. Good chance he’s getting paid for it.
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No I’m not. They wouldn’t let me post.
Everything I’ve written is true
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CfD: “everything I’ve written is true”.
Maybe, maybe not. But everything you’ve written is irrelevant.
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#bancreepy
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that funny though i’m gonna be 18 and he asks do you have a boyfriend like it would matter
she look older than 18 though
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The hottest girl my uncle/actor ever was with was a blonde bombshell piece of ass like you wouldn’t believe. She played one Sam’s sluts on an episode of Cheers.
Of course my uncle didn’t have much game and she ended up dropping him for Michael Bolton when she got a part in one his videos. He probably sang “When a man loves a woman” while he fucked her in the ass.
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“When a man shtupps a woman” perhaps?
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Classic example of more being less. Hi isnt a horrible opener. But he should of stopped there, let her get 5 or 6 replies back… Wait till she says you there?, then reply with oh yeah I was just talking to my agent about a new movie or something like that. Then, “are you from NYC?” then let her blab 3-5 more lines not responded too. Then he would of had all the info he needed for logistics to work out a plan. Then he says, oh im gonna be by there tomorrow to meet some writers about a tv pilot. then she babbles for another 3-5 lines. Have you ever been to x location(in whatever area she is in)? course he is not going to meet her in public but he is giving the illusion of a public meeting. By this point he can move towards finding out exactly where she is and her number. Then say I gotta run. Text her the next day, find out what shes doing then move in for the smash. The biggest obstetrical will be getting her alone. Getting a room close to her would probably be best, definitely dont want to go over to her place and risk getting caught with her. Guy just got so excited by the prospects of poundin her that he lost his sanity. Lessons to be learned by this… 1) less is more 2) dont get so excited by the prospect that you cant think straight 3) dont be creepy 4) 2:3 or better of your text to her text ratio. 5) not escalating is worse then over escalating.
The other thing I’ll add about professional athletes and actors and famous people, they have guys who go get them chicks for them. Its the best way to go. That way if you get caught there is deniability. So if your reading this and your rich and or famous get a guy to troll for chicks for you. It will save you a lot of headache.
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“Guy just got so excited by the prospects of poundin her that he lost his sanity.”
Once again, I have shed beautiful tears of joy. Comedy Central has nothing on this.
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Unimpressed.
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Franco is likely going to have to do the Tour of Shame bit for another week or so. His real “crime” is that by being a 35 y.o. man who hit on (lamely) a dewy, lissome, fertile 17 y.o. he implicitly rejected every woman his age (35) and up whose dusty, dried up raisin of a womb is screaming for a baby, thus, the Sisterhood, enraged by Truth (i.e. that they bought into the LIE that they could have it all, and that attractive men would desire them, no matter how many times they’ve been around the cock carousel, and how many pints of Hagen Daz have settled at their waistlines) wants to extract their pound of flesh. It’s the vengeance of the Scorned Hag.
Franco’s penance will be shorter and milder than most, I’d expect, b/c he’s got a reputation for being a bit odd/flaky/whatever, but I’d expect him to talk about how he’s “LURNED” or “Grown” or some other nonsense and to also become something of a “feminist” (see Athlone McGinnis’ excellent piece on RoK entitled “Why Famous Men Become Outspoken Feminists”)
À bientôt
Mistral
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But now she can go on The View to talk about how horrible it was. Gotta make sure people are exposed to both sides of a pointless story.
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Cynics would say the persistent rumors of Franco being ultra fabulous gay have been killed by a sickening beta male move.
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I don’t think he’s gay
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Well, Franco said that he didn’t think that you were gay either. So there. heh
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LOL
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Damn that was me re Franco gay rumors quashing.
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Love the side commentary, CH: i mean the # of inches you can take
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Given the man must always make the first move, how do you avoid the Rapo games or minimise the risk of them happening?
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If his game is good, why is he communicating with any woman in another country?
making pre-arrangements to meet a girl from another country in the future when she turns 18?
I’m from UK.
My Game must be tighter than Mr Francos because i’m just banging loadsa chicks in London, never having to leave this place and definitely not waiting on any chick in Scotland….In fact my games so good it doesn’t matter how hot a girl is, if shes in another country the conversation ends there….how can she be relevant to me??
Mr Franco should just be happy with actually screwing lots of fine American chicks, in America…they should be falling on his cock…..not texting Scottish girls that he may meet at some point when they are of age.
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Excellent point, bendy. In fact, you should be able to work off of one bar doing SNL. Why bother managing a harem? That’s just more opportunity for shit tests and drama. P&D
I’m lazy. Dance instruction game. Two-three minutes of dancing with women who want to learn to dance and you’ve got comfort, tingles, a bubble, kino, and submission (both to your lead and to your voice). They are anxious to please you–so they are needy and chasing. You will have their attention if you want to chat with them between dances. You can dance with them all night building comfort and tingles. Just avoid doing beta stuff.
I did dance instruction the other night with five women and at least three women were rubbing their tits on me with only one dance. One was blatant during the dance and the others did the subtle arm rub when I escorted them back to their seats.
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in fact if he’s a star, why not fly over asap….17 is legal over here, and English the language. Unless you’re not that rich or too lazy, but if you’re that lazy just get an escort.
You just gotta actually get it.
The gym is a great place to meet women. Just make sure to be out going and in shape as you are in a gym forn gods sake. Doing 20 pullups, wearing wife beaters or showing off abs can help you clean up in certain corners of the market
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17 is technically legal in New York too, but you run the risk of 1) getting a lot of *social* shaming, some of it for decent reason, and 2) running afoul of federal law. I’m all about age differences, but in general the thing to do if you have the hots for a 17 year old in this country, is to wait till her 18th birthday.
I’ve recently started chatting up girls at the gym, and while I haven’t gotten a date/hookup out of it, some of them have been surprisingly open to conversation.
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Finally, a comment from someone who actually has game! All you betas bragging about how you messaged this girl on Facebook and she never replied but you still know you’re better than someone who has millions of fans, listen up. This is how it’s done.
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I do couples dancing–ballroom, country, and West Coast Swing. I’m journaling my dance experiences. For instance, my package was slapping her thigh when a married friend danced tight with me when I first started dancing. She was helping me learn a step. Awkward as hell, then, but funny now.
[CH: never apologize for the impudence of your package. men should be slapping the world with their junk.]
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I was teaching a girl Salsa last week and her hand brushed me at one point. If you act normal then it is normal.
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When Mrs. Gamer rubs her breast against my escort arm when I’m escorting her somewhere, it’s normal–normal flirting! Nobody but me knows it. She’s a _shy_ girl. 😉 lol And it’s also fun when it happens to me on the dance floor when other women do it. Yeah, maybe it’s just a little emotion in the moment. How beta! Always assume the sluttiest. That’s alpha.
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CH, I think you’ve just changed the English language: “Junk-slapping” Dotting the world’s eyes even as we speak.
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In my social circle, a guy who is somewhat good looking but who chases girls gets them to make him an orbiter.
Girls immediately know what’s up.
Here’s an example of my game with a girl in her 20’s I met recently at a function, gamed, kinoed, teased.
Her name came into my Facebook list of suggested friends so I added:
Me: ‘oh…it’s you.
Her: haha u dunno this is me then y u add me?
Me: behave crazy girl or it’s the naughty corner. What’s your whatsapp, when I’m back we’ll hang out
She didn’t reply, but hey, my game’s still better than James Franco’s.
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Wow… So many things wrong here it’s hard to find a place to start… Women are easy so never put in more effort than a minimum. If she wants you to be a monkey – tell her too much work, and move on. Women hate it when a man blows them off if they are “shit” testing him, and will usually drop all of the BS ASAP.
I have a very simple philosophy – till she is in front of me, she’s well below the chick in the corner giving me the eye. So I treat her appropriately – maximum of 5 texts telling her a time and place and what to wear so I recognize her.
Women HATE making decisions or being in control – so don’t let her. Tell her where to be, and when to be there. If she is – great, if not you should have others lined up and it’s her loss. I have had a woman blow me off and my last text to her was a – “Sorry to miss you. Met someone, we’re off.” Suddenly my phone exploded with texts – which I ignored till the next day since I was with someone and they took precedence. The next time she was there – on time, and I banged her. You always have to be willing to walk on a woman – other wise they get full of themselves, and NO WOMAN is worth your dignity.
Being her pet monkey sending her photos with her name on it, is BS – she showed it to all of her GF’s and laughed at you. No women is worth that – I would have sent her a canned photo of an old GF’s butt that I keep for such occasions with the verbiage – KISS THIS.
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^ Yup.
“Where do you live?” Irrelevant. She’s a pump and dump.
“You’re 18?” Waste of precious text line. If it’s her 18th birthday, she’s 17 and LEGAL. Proceed to plow through all “objections”.
“Who are you with?” Again irrelevant unless he’s hinting at a threesome which he’s not.
“Do you have a bf?” Wow. Another wasted line. Hamster will do what hamster wants, regardless of “relationship status”. Don’t ask and she’ll never tell.
“When is your bday?” Who cares? Unless she’s turning 30 it won’t help with the lay.
“Where are you staying?” Exhausting. Last thing hamster wants is an interview.
“What’s your number?” Pointless. Already “talking”. As JS says, “Tell her where to be, and when to be there.”
“Can I see you?” …so we can compare vaginas.
“You’re single.” “What’s the hotel?” “Should I rent a room.” Take my balls please. Don’t ask questions and certainly don’t repeat unanswered questions.
“Yes or no?” “Tomorrow or Thurs.” …because I clearly have nothing better to do and will shift my schedule to accomodate yours.
“Be well.” The most butthurt of all good byes. Does the HB9 ever say “be well?” Never. She disappears because she doesn’t care AT ALL.
“X” Whimpering puppies make this sound.
“X” … I promise I won’t pee on the floor again.
“Don’t tell.” Trying to top from the bottom. A foam sledgehammer of “commands.” Her pussy = Oklahoma dust bowl.
“If you don’t want to meet then text me when you do.” Hamster only changes its “mind” in one direction and it’s not from no to yes.
“Bye.” Almost as butthurt as “Be well.”
“Bye.” Nothing says high value like taking time to say a second butthurt goodbye.
Picture with her name on a piece of paper. The grand finale of beta. She projects what SHE wants to do. SHE wants to jump through hoops to secure seed from alpha that’s worth it.
She was in control the entire time and hated every second of it. As JS says, “Women HATE making decisions or being in control – so don’t let her.”
Conclusion: Orchestrated fake devised by savvy PR. Publicity in the age of “reality” t.v. He wrote the story upon which the film he stars in is based. Theme is identical to “incident”. Got five minutes of buzz. “Producers” with money invested loved every second of it. Well played.
Take aways: Do the opposite of this. Make every communication count. CH 2/3 rule always applies. Don’t ask, tell. Make her come to you. Don’t give her attention until she’s earned it. Bust her frame and assume everything. Do not let her “think”.
Women control reproductive access. Men control sexual access. The prize is in your pants, not hers. “Kiss this” indeed.
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Who is this fuck? A list? Never heard of him. Seriously. I literally have never heard of this guy. What was he in? Yeah I know there’s google..not worth it to me to google him.
[CH: he’s a-list to girls. and that’s all that matters.]
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So am I the only one who didn’t know who James Franco was and still can’t place him after I checked IMDB?
I’m familiar with some of those movies but can’t place what character he was.
Feel like I’m in an online version of one of those youtube vids where a nobody assembles a fake entourage and the frame is so strong everyone goes along with it to not feel retarded.
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I didn’t know much about him, either, but I see hipster-types mention him occasionally.
Apparently he’s a nerdy Jewish guy, a film actor and writer, one of those over-hyped urban try-hards. Attention whore.
I’m unimpressed.
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I can’t speak for the beta males, but I think I can provide some insight into the mindset of the “threatened older women” faction. They don’t just protest the older man-younger woman pairing because of SMV-related jealousy, although that’s definitely a factor. They’re also trying to retroactively rationalize their own shitty life choices. Most of them use their own early experiences with older (alpha) men to justify raising the age of consent: “I had an affair with an older man when I was 21 and at the time I thought it was hot and romantic, but now that I’m older and wiser I realize he took advantage of me as a naive child! I’m just trying to protect other young women from these villainous predators!” It stings too much to think they willingly chose to be pumped and dumped AS ADULTS, and casting their younger selves as innocent naifs who were duped into it is an easy way to rationalize their cock carousel misadventures.
Check out Jezebel for a bunch of these sad tales of woe, along with a campaign to raise the age of consent to 25 because people aren’t “cognitively developed enough” before then to make rational sexual choices. (And I suppose that means low-IQ/stupid people and people with cognitive disabilities can’t consent to sex either? Are the feminists now moving toward a eugenics argument?)
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The Jezebel nutjobs have a big problem with ‘power imbalance’ (rolling my eyes), so they think low IQ people should only hookup with other low IQ people.
If they raise the age of consent to 21 or 21, I’m emigrating.
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It’s 15 here. 😉 18 if she’s your student aka you can have sex with your students if you’re a professor. I don’t know of anyone losing their job over it either.
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What country?
I’m hopefully going to be a professor (or else a scientist for the government) eventually. I wouldn’t date one of my own students (too much professional risk). But college chicks from neighboring schools are always fair game.
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But wait! The campaign to raise the age of sexual consent to 25 fits nearly perfectly with Obama allowing young people to continue on their parents’ health insurance until age 26. Nothing quite like teaming infantilization with sexual frustration…
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Preach!
À bientôt
Mistral
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Lol “franco”. Just another ykw trying to hide his ykwish name.
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This. A nerdy Jewish dude and attention-whore. Enough already.
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Unsurprising to me at this point in life. By now I’ve seen enough jacked dudes, rich dudes, artsy dudes, musicians, etc. who are just paper tigers. To be fair, if you’re going after like 20+ girls at a time….you’re probably going to sound like a bitch on at least 3-4 of the threads.
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Word.
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Never heard of him.
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You’d think that a supposed “poet” can come up with better banter. There are rumors he frequently missed classes in school, and yet he was appointed to be a professor because of his fame.
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this article is old now, but congratulations, you’ve all been trolled.
this was a “viral-marketing” campaign for franco’s upcoming film palo alto:
kek
[CH: we discussed this above in the comments. you’re a day late a dollar short.]
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nah bruh, no dollars short, i just drop by now and again, too busy playing and replaying my role as king arthur in the sword in the stone.
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Franco is a homo. Most actors are (or at least bi).
(these are the guys that have been studying theater,dance, and voice lessons since childhood while most boys were playing sports……..)
this is hollywood style expert PR misdirection.
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Franco has played at least two homos on film.
1. James Dean
2. Harvey Milk
and yes, he is a member of the tribe…….
“Franco’s mother is Jewish; her family were Russian Jewish immigrants, and her father, Daniel, changed the surname from “Verovitz” to “Verne” some time after 1940.Franco’s paternal grandmother, Marjorie (Peterson) Franco, is a published author of young adult books. Franco’s maternal grandmother, Mitzie (Levine) Verne, owns the Verne Art Gallery, a prominent art gallery in Cleveland, and was an active member in the National Council of Jewish Women.”
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This is off topic ( I did not know where I can write this comment, so I did it here).
CH, I follow you for a while. Your posts are really insightful and useful (you can bet that I used them with a couple of girls and they worked perfectly).
But my main problem is that I don’t feel comfortable with “the dark triad”…I suppose that I have strong ethics and I feel as if I turned into the typical guy I have ever despised (liar, manipulative, etc…). Besides, I support traditional/family and I feel that just banging girls for sexual purposes, I only destroy more this despicable Western Postmodern Society instead of helping it. For example, sometimes I think that the more girls I bang, the more probabilities, these girls, fail in their future marriages so I’m just behaving as everybody does currently…and, then, I think that they are going to do it with me or without me, so I have to make the most of the occasion to my own benefit (and, again, the same thought I explained before about self egoism instead of helping others). It’s really contradictory feeling.
I will appreciate a lot your opinion about the former lines, because I don’t know if you have ever the same feeling. Thanks from the Old Continent.
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You take what’s useful and true to you. There are many masters, not just one. Learn from them all. Neil Strauss has conference calls now. He addresses issues of the self that are far deeper than what most PUAs explore. The “fake it till you make it” credo can only go so far. the It’s internal work that will have the most impact.
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This is also what happens to men who look like movie stars, or are even better looking than most movie stars.
I have a question, though. Does any of the published work on game contain game for these people who have all the looks? Can it really be the same game? If you already have DHV, negging can only hurt you, right?.
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