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How To Be The Biggest Tool In The Bar

April 7, 2014 by CH

Word of advice: Barring extenuating circumstances, don’t go out with a group of guy friends and one cute woman. You will righteously tool yourself before you’ve taken two steps toward self-hell into the bar.

The ultimate in toolbaggery is the group of mirin’, pleased-as-punch über orbiters who show up to a venue with one hot girl in tow. Or rather, at center stage. Because that’s where she inevitably ascends — straight to a social throne that her gaggle of beta pissboys have adorned for her.

I recently witnessed such a spectacle. Five men — not strange looking by any stretch, just normal dudes in department-wear — and one flaxen-haired hottie tucked in the middle of her men-ses, like a small sun radiating through a Saturnian Tool Belt. Everywhere she drifted, they followed, establishing without a doubt to the unbiased third party eye who was gravitationally in charge. When she smiled, her triptych of tools smiled on cue. When she pointed at something, they looked en masse in the direction of her pointing finger. When she laughed, they laughed uproariously. When she sat down, they encircled her even more tightly, parting occasionally to unwittingly afford her a better view of better men.

And when she touched the arm of any one of them, the rest shuffled and frowned with noticeable agitation.

But the coup de brah by a long shot was when the five guys enlisted the help of a passing bartender to take a photo of the girl surrounded by her eunuch guards. The barkeep obliged, and the assembled onlookers retched. When he walked away after returning the phone-cum-camera, I was privy to his eye roll and bastard grin that he signaled to a colleague still behind the bar. The girls in my company also noticed the entire scene as it unfolded, and politely strained to hide their pity.

No one respects a beta orbiter, not even women. Everyone knows a beta orbiter when he sees him. But FIVE beta orbiters hoisting the royal palanquin of a darling princess? Have you no shame, sirs?!

Not one of those men was boffing that girl, I would bet your life savings on it. Every one of those men *wanted* to boff that girl, continuing in the theme of betting your life savings on it. She had no interest in boffing any of them, and to this bet I would add your mom’s life savings.

What is happening to men of the West? By most indicators they have forgotten how to be men, or if they know they’ve lost interest in the art. They kneel at the feet of women, kiss her painted toes, and kowtow to her every whim. They gleefully sacrifice their dignity to public judgment and ridicule. They thirst for the pussy like lost adventurers lapping sand from hallucinatory oases.

Mind you, my complaints extend as far as my big-picture interest in preserving the culture which facilitates my poolside time. As a practical, day-to-day calculation, the abject fealty of my competition increases the destructive power of my game.

If you’re a beta suffering a lengthy dry spell, don’t expect relief to come from the accompaniment of an asexual female friend. Certainly don’t expect it if she is accompanied by four more of your male buddies. If you must go out accompanied by a cute female friend, leave your buddies home. Insist that any additional hangers-on exclude too many of her male friends and include a few of her female friends. And, for the love of all that is hole-y, check the game literature for strategies and techniques detailing how to use a cute girl-friend as a pivot to other cute girls you have a realistic chance of sexing. Because that’s about the best use of a cute female buddy.

It’s almost tragic how unaware beta males are of the latent male SMV-boosting power which resides in an attractive female friend who can trigger the preselection algorithms of nearby girls. Unaware, and incapable of exploiting it. But isn’t that just another dulcet note in the battle hymn of the beta male? Strike suicidally at one’s own breast plate, and drip blood until a chubby spinster with sprog on the mind rescues you.

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  1. on April 7, 2014 at 11:03 am d

    This is what fashion marketers use to sell:

    http://jezebel.com/5395343/the-problem-with-fashions-obsession-with-death/

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 4:26 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      HEY HEA?RTIRESET!!! HEATRITSESZ!!!

      DA GBFM volnteers 2 geust write da next post for youz zlzlozo:

      “HOW TO HAVE DA BIGGEST TOOL IN DA CLUB: BE DA GBFM ZLOZOZLZ”

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 7:16 am Director

      Bit of a thread jack…

      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/answering-hater-lies/#comment-179870

      What do you make of this moron?

      He claims to be a PUA race realist but maintains he’s an anti racist feminist who hates the GOP.

      Is he a parody? Or is this twat for real?

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 7:26 am AmericanOnslaught

        I did an interview with Lindsay a few weeks ago. he identifies as a Sigma male.

        http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=94835&cmd=tc

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 10:02 am CH

        never underestimate the human capacity for self-contradiction.

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      • on April 11, 2014 at 8:08 am Foolish Pride

        Or delusion apparently.

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  2. on April 7, 2014 at 11:19 am Zombie Shane

    > “Five men… her triptych of tools”

    “Triptych” probably ought to be something more like “Quintuptych”.

    Or, on the Greek side of things, “”Pentych” or “Pentatych”.

    Which would be disturbingly close to “Pentateuch”.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 4:15 pm migsflecha

      …portnoy!

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  3. on April 7, 2014 at 11:20 am newly aloof

    Yeah, yeah, fuck the betas and all that shit, but I’d like to know how you would go about informing such a tool of his toolery (if you just happened to be in a particular mood where you felt what the hell, let me try to untool this tool – even though he may not listen to a fuckin’ word of it). Order all the guys at the table some Shirley Temples? Tell him how the girl is tooling them when you see him alone? (Although writing a blog post about him (he may read it after all) does qualify as helping out)

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 am Zombie Shane

      First of all, find out whether or not they’re good guys.

      We don’t want to be handing out these insights to our enemies [and YKW they are].

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 am Chris from Dublin

        They’re not good guys.
        People who act like the post describes deserve everything they get

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:18 pm The Burninator

        To be fair Chris, given the rampant emasculation of men from cradle to grave these days, some of them may not posses the self awareness necessary to realize what’s being done.

        In Mark Twain’s A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur’s Court the protagonist starts screening the men from medieval times for signs of being “men” who would stand and fight imposed top down feudal lords and kings. He’d ask them various pseud-philosophical questions, and depending on how they answered, would write them down as inductees into what he termed “Man School”. They were not self aware but when prodded some of them would realize how rotten a life being a serf was and would get more and more indignant, angry even.

        Same thing with simps like the ones in this narrative. They’re not the enemies until they make themselves the enemies through stupidity. Ignorance is excusable in today’s 24/7 “be a wuss” propaganda climate IMO.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm newly aloof

        That’s pretty much been my stance. Shit, guys gave me game advice for years, but I didn’t even know the term GAME back then and just internalized all their advice as “asshole tactics” Reading that Dave From Hawaii post finally broke through the resistance and revealed the red pill.

        Just thought again about my idea of ordering the dudes Shirley Temples. Wouldn’t it be funny as fuck if bars made a drink called “The Orbiter”? Think of buying that group drinks and having the waitress say, “That table of there (with the game aware alphas) bought you guys some drinks. This shot if for you lovely lady, and these Orbitors are for you gentlemen.”

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm The Burninator

        “Wouldn’t it be funny as fuck if bars made a drink called “The Orbiter”? Think of buying that group drinks and having the waitress say, “That table of there (with the game aware alphas) bought you guys some drinks. This shot if for you lovely lady, and these Orbitors are for you gentlemen.”

        That has legs actually. Make it sweet and sickly. Hmmmm…trying to think of a good combo for this.

        Bailey’s Irish Cream
        Butterscotch Schnapps
        Vodka
        Goldschlager

        1:1:1:1 ratio, shaken over ice, served neat. Sounds supremely gooey and sweet, like a cookie in a glass. Something an orbiter acts like for his special little cupcake. Heh

        Used to bartend. Nothing gives you a better education on human beings than being a bartender. Highly recommend it over any Ivy League school for real life experience.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:47 pm no

        yoj could do that anyway

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:50 pm no

        rumplmints and pink lemonade

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:00 pm The Burninator

        “rumplmints and pink lemonade

        That’s the spirit! The only thing worse would be those sickly insipid little drinks that they used to serve a tea parties, forget what they were called. Like drinking a slightly alcoholic version of simple syrup.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm Laraby69@hotmail.com

        A couple of years back I was at a bar with a friend and close by was a young couple (A short skinny HB4 and her taller orbiter friend) both having a glass of water. So I innocently looked over to her and said….
        “Ohh, so you’re having Jewish cocktails”
        To which she said, in an exasperated tone … “we are Jewish”
        My response (while smiling and lauging) .. Ohhh that’s ok … it’s just a joke.
        She … “Why do people always say that about us.”
        The beta orbiter barely said a word.
        My friend who was within earshot could barely contain his laughter.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 10:22 am pulsotic

        @Burninator
        Don’t forget the ipecac

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:32 pm Zombie Shane

        > “To be fair Chris, given the rampant emasculation of men from cradle to grave these days, some of them may not posses the self awareness necessary to realize what’s being done.”

        Right.

        There are plenty of really good decent salt-of-the-earth guys out there who just need a kick in the seat of the pants in order to get the ball rolling.

        Someone to point out to them how to Man Up and increase the masculinity and the assertiveness and the aura of confidence when they are in the presence of da bitchez.

        Which is precisely my agenda in all of this, because, ultimately,

        No White Buns in White Ovens == Death of Civilization.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am YaReally

      Take their girl.

      You’re cooler than them by default simply because they’re so low-value to her that they’re her orbiters, and you’re the bright shiny new object. Just ignore her and chat with them, then tease her when she tries to get your attention and she’ll choose you and demand more of your attention. If you choose her, they can “protect” her and kick your ass…but if she chooses you, there’s nothing they can do about it because she’ll defend you from them. All they can do is home and cry themselves to sleep, then Google “how do I get this one special girl I’m in love with??” and end up on their way to enlightenment lol

      [CH: the shiv is strong in this comment.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm newly aloof

        Fuckin’ hilarious! Shame is a powerful motivator after all.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm Ronin

        http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/411259-courage-wolf

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm rikard

        the other route is ignoring them. like completely ignore them and focus all your attention on her. serves to reinforce the groups low value, if you cant even bother to respond to them how much value can they have?
        not field tested so take this with a grain of salt.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 8:15 pm YaReally

        This is doable but I’ve found that it results in the guys being way more aggressively protective not in that they try to kick my ass but in they get the girl the fuck away from me and make it extremely difficult to get any kind of further interaction with her.

        My method of befriending them slips in under their radars because I’m just being a cool guy ignoring her and chatting with them and interestingly when they realize she’s into me often they just back off entirely and slink off into the shadows almost as if they’re thinking “ahhh this guy is cooler than me, of course she likes him, it’s natural that they would get together :(” and basically let me have her which is trippy to read buuuut I rememeber a few times when I was an AFC where I was like “oh of course she likes the quarterback/bartender/good-looking guy/etc. I guess I’ll just hope one day she realizes I’m a Nicer Guy than him…”

        In an ideal world I like to try to give value so I would not just take their girl but I would try to set them up with other girls, like chat up a table of girls beside us and introduce them all and merge sets so that everyone wins, but that all depends on the logistics and such.

        More common is that I’ll determine which of the guys (there’s usually 1-3 of them depending on the size of the group) is the biggest threat in terms of alpha coolness and throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted. The lamer beta guys in the group I’ll try to set up just out of the kindness of my heart lol

        In the end there’s still a bit of butthurtness, but much less than if I went in bee-lining for the girl and tooled all her orbiters.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 10:31 pm Junior

        yup, I’m all for making friends rather than ignoring crew – why create more bad vibes if you can avoid them?

        @YaReally – with regard to the possible threats in terms of alpha-coolness, would be good to get your advice on some ways you can ‘throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted’? I take almost as much pleasure in adding this kind of value to the lives of other guys I see struggling in live & love as I do in generating the same for myself. Would love to be able to do this more consistently.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 4:10 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        This might depend on the culture, but assuming she’s not the first girl you talked to that night, you can simply introduce them to other girls you talked to that night or the girls you went to the bar with if they’re just your friends and you think they’d click. You can also point to a girl and tell them you noticed her giving him IOIs. Are American men this awkward socially that this wouldn’t be enough?

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 5:45 am YaReally

        “some ways you can ‘throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted’?”

        I literally just take the first decent looking girl or girls that walk past us and stop them and go “HEY. You two need to meet. This is GuysName (point her at him), GuysName this is Sarah (I just make up a random female name).” and then turn my back, or do the same with her friends if there are more dudes, or just chat with her friends to give him and the girl some one-on-one time. Or if it’s just one dude and like a 3-set of girls comes by I do the same thing “HEY. This is GuysName. GuysName this is Sarah, Amanda, and Shaniqua (lol).” and let them sort it out.

        Generally the girls want to correct someone not knowing their proper name, so that gives the guy a little bit of a conversation topic and the girls sometimes give me shit for making up names etc., doesn’t matter, either way the end result is now we’re all in set together.

        Sometimes the girl will hesitate or whatever and you just frame control over it like this guy is the awesomest guy in the world she has to meet. “HEY. You two need to meet. No, shut up, this is GuysName, he’s awesome we go way back. GuysName this is Sarah, we used to date but I broke up with her because she’s shit in bed. Don’t be awkward Sarah, shake hands and say hi. This is where you shake her hand, GuysName.” and then i fuck off and let GuysName say “sorry, I don’t even know that guy” and they can bond over what an asshole I am lol Doesn’t matter, point is they’re in set together now.

        I don’t really help the guy much aside from giving him some isolation by talking to her friends, and like 90% of the time the dude loses the girl fast, but that doesn’t matter, because he usually doesn’t have enough game to even know he bombed the set…all he knows is he got to talk to a pretty girl which is something that never happens to him, and I was the reason that that magic event happened, so he loves me FOREVER. And if I do it a second time? Even if he only gets a 10 second interaction, I am a god to him and he’ll probably buy me a drink lol

        A cool guy will actually do well with the chick I throw at him, and that’s a win too. Everyone wins, the girls get to meet either a cool guy or a shy nice dude who’ll probably offer to buy her a drink. Spreadin’ good vibes all around.

        …and while they’re all having fun, I’m grabbing their queen’s # so I can stealth-txt/AMOG and meet up with her later, or I’m extracting her out of the bar.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 6:02 am The Burninator

        @YaReally

        I may have misunderstood something or misread.

        “…and while they’re all having fun, I’m grabbing their queen’s # so I can stealth-txt/AMOG and meet up with her later, or I’m extracting her out of the bar.”

        Here’s my boggle, you’re saying that you’re with a group of buds, one of them may well hook up because of an intro you made, all is right with the world now with your buddy, and you use the time he’s not around to get the girl you just hooked him up with behind his back?

        If not, sorry for the misunderstanding, it’s early and I need more coffee.

        If so, how does that comport with your saying right on this thread that you won’t snag a woman out from under a friend?

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 6:48 am YaReally

        @Burninator
        “Here’s my boggle, you’re saying that you’re with a group of buds”

        What? No lol sorry, I was talking about when you see a queen bee walk in with her orbiter chodes. Like, they’re not your buddies. (ie – in my mind I’m CH or the bartender that rolled his eyes, etc., the outside guy who wants a group of orbiters’ queen bee).

        I could still intro an actual good buddy the same way to randoms, but I’d put a lot more effort into it if he was a buddy. If he’s just some random, I don’t care, I just want to get him in front of her and into a conversation and help give him enough one-on-one time with her to give me time to go back to his group’s queen bee to do my thing (usually if she came with 5 orbiters, they’re not gonna’ let her leave with a random guy so I’ll just grab a solid #-close and txt her where they have no idea her and I are communicating and I’ll tool them with stuff like “I don’t think your 5 boyfriends approved of me lol you’re such a player” etc.).

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 7:01 am The Burninator

        @YaReally

        Thanks for clearing that up, I suspected I missed something.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 8:20 pm Dray

        Yareally, you have an email I can reach you out with my field reports? A little background about me: still in the process of learning game and have been reading up on your posts. Good shit. Would like to have more of your insights.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 8:25 pm Dray

        You too Scray. Would be good to hear from you too. I’ve read your field reports with Yareally’s breakdowns. Ballsy shit bro. Pushed myself to open an 8 set of 4 girls and 4 guys because of you two.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:33 pm Tilikum

        this read like every day for me in thigh school.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:45 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Take their girl.”

        What if, say, your little brother were one of the five dudes?

        Wouldn’t you feel a fraternal sense of duty to start introducing him to Game?

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 4:47 pm Mistral

        I’d drag him away by the ear and replace his “shame” with “game”.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm YaReally

        “Wouldn’t you feel a fraternal sense of duty to start introducing him to Game?”

        Obviously I’d try, but you can’t force a guy to learn. I wouldn’t take his girl cause I don’t go after girls my buddies are into, but I can’t say having your girls consistently stolen from you by the same guy wouldn’t be a motivating factor to start listening to his advice lol

        Ideally I would teach a little brother or a son simply by leading by example and demonstrating solid behavior around women and lay the groundwork for him to become a Natural, rather than having to sit him down to watch Tyler videos lol

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 8:34 pm Scray

        look nigga, I already said I’d offer them blow. what do u want from us

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 12:16 am gunslingergregi

        don’t go to far down the rabbit hole and if a chick asks you to do something crazy remember to say no

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 3:12 am Jones

        Playing the Capture the Queen move only works when you’re a king, she’s an actual queen, and you have a competent army at your disposal.

        The beta orbiters might be nice guys, but they’re still acting like tools, and they must be regarded as the somewhat incompetent, easily manipulated conscript peasant army that they are.

        Like George Kennan’s doctrine of communist containment, what really needs to happen is that the chick and the beta orbiters have to be contained. They spread the contagions that are the Beta Orbiter Fantasy and the Princess Cinderella Peasant Army Fantasy.

        I suggest not getting involved with an inevitable Bay of Pigs scenario.

        Instead, mark the territory on the map as contested, and work around it, literally as well as figuratively.

        The mistake the Would-Be Queen made is that she arrived with too much jewelry, for which she should be punished.

        In CH’s rendition of the events, the Would-Be Queen showed up wearing five pairs of beta orbiter balls as jewelry, and should be Nexted As Soon As Is Practical for committing an offence of decorum.

        Perhaps she will have a better time getting your attention when she isn’t wearing so much jewelry.

        Why bother with giving her that sixth pair of balls she seemingly wants?

        Re-frame the proceedings: she’s brought along her own entertainment for a self-serving girls’ night out.

        Oh, c’mon killer, you want to work the rest of that set, don’t you?

        [evil, sinister sneer]

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 5:35 am YaReally

        Mental masturbation.

        “and should be Nexted As Soon As Is Practical for committing an offence of decorum.”

        You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked. This is all just rationalizing a fear of taking action to protect your ego from failing. It’s no different from the guy who won’t approach because “these girls aren’t my type” and “these girls are all sluts” etc.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm Scray

      Ya. An easy way to AMOG these dudes is to offer them blow.

      “Blowing off some steam?”

      “Yeah blah blah blah I’m-a-virgin blah blah blah…”

      “…well if any of you want a bump let me know.”

      Cue nervous awkward hang-wringing pussy bullshit….usually to the tune of
      “Whoooooa dude, ummm….”

      Fish takes bait.

      “…..oh, does cocaine scare you or something?”

      If they’re that uncomfortable and bad around women, they’re also probably uncomfortable around drugs.

      Annnyway….i think if you actually get them to do the drugs, they will become less of a tool. I mean, I know it seems to run against all PSAs….but doing more drugs and fighting more (hopefully in a setting that doesn’t get you dead….like, in a gym or something) does go a long way toward making you less of a bitch. Probably adds to the inner belief of ‘I’m cool.’

      Granted, I don’t want to be responsible for someone’s eventual drug habit but you kno….you asked for a quick fix …heh.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 4:21 pm cryo

        Funny you bring this up, as I find myself an Adderall addict with a moderate cocaine habit as of late. Zero fucks given of course.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 7:53 pm aint nuthin but a gangsta parrttyyyy

        doing blow makes me a better person.

        but also not doing blow makes me a better person.

        no fucks

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm Scray

        You do the puppet master? Like, where you get drunk and then do some lines so that it feels like an invisible force from on high coordinates your sloppy, floppy limbs?

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 4:14 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I think giving them cocaine is stupid because you can simply give cocaine to a girl and bang her. Just tell her you have some cocaine, snort a line with her in the car, hop to another venue and then invite her to your place to do more cocaine. There, guaranteed lay. I doubt cocaine whores are chaste anywhere on this planet.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 9:09 am Scray

        This isn’t about how to get the girl tho. It was about how to get the guys to untool. Ya duh, offering girls cocaine is money. However, it’s more like burning money. I mean, it may sound weird, but giving her all that coke will add up…

        that’s why I just offer them weed. weed is cheap.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm Director

      Do a hand spring, vault over a table and go back to the corner and nurse your pint.

      She’ll make her way over to you.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 12:18 am gunslingergregi

        true story

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 7:35 am Hugh G. Rection

      Unsolicited advice on that kind of thing is rarely, if ever appreciated. Takes pain to learn I guess.

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  4. on April 7, 2014 at 11:21 am Mark Minter

    CH, I return to again recommend that essay from PNAS I left last week. I include another link from this anthropologist Kristen Hawkes from Univ of Utah.

    Human origins and the transition from promiscuity to pair-bonding
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/05/21/1200717109.full.pdf+html

    The male’s dilemma: increased offspring production is more paternity to steal

    http://www.anthro.utah.edu/PDFs/Papers/hawkesetal1995maledilemma.pdf .

    The second essay from Kristen is sort of famous and many other Evo Biology or Evo Psych works reference it and I can fucking see why. It is seminal and I wonder why the findings have been sort of swept under the rug. Both are complex works that have a ton of math in them. And it is hard to get through them, but Kristens work is sort of a Rosetta stone for the other. Both use the same “variables” and symbology.

    They model the key male activities of Mating, Mate Guarding, Provisioning, and Care. The PNAS essay introduces the idea of female faithfulness vs promiscuity. The models show that (duh) high status males gain the bulk of mating opportunities. And thus, they increase their paternity by spending almost of their time in Mating or dominance within the hierarchy. Second level males that get what is left over and then spent the bulk of their time mate guarding. Then care and provisioning are the domain of the lower status males.

    Again, a big fucking duh, huh?

    But what is important to you is that once you internalize the mathematical relationships between all of this male activity, and then the motivations of women to move from promiscuity (and its benefits to them and their “Fertility”) into monogamous relationships, and ultimately how that happened, then all sorts of strange intuitions come to bear in your thinking. If you understand then that this behavior is and has been coded deeply into the brain and manifests itself in current mating activity , current social activity, cultural judgement, and social organization, then blog posts will just fly off your fingers as you even open up Yahoo or whatever pop pulp pages that are out there.

    Here is an example of one I just dashed off after looking at some garbage pages.

    Internet Uproar Proves Evolutionary Biology is Correct

    http://demarkate.com/index.php/14-relationship-realism/16-internet-uproar-proves-evolutionary-biology-is-correct

    I am working on an explanation post of the two links I posted above and it should be coming out in a couple of days. But I still think you should push through the work on your own and derive your own insight.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 3:43 pm Zombie Shane

      If you’re into the big-picture logistics of Game, then here’s an interesting little factoid:

      I Looked Up The Fastest-Growing Jobs In America, And Boy Was It Depressing
      http://www.businessinsider.com/fastest-growing-jobs-2014-4

      Check out the projected fastest growing occupation by percentage:

      INDUSTRIAL-ORGANIZATIONAL PSYCHOLOGISTS

      It looks like the sociopaths* who run the modern corporate world realize that they are going to need something akin to a PUA to motivate their over-stressed under-paid worker drones in their cubicles.

      *Compare:

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/

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  5. on April 7, 2014 at 11:27 am Zombie Shane

    > “It’s almost tragic how unaware beta males are of the latent male SMV-boosting power which resides in an attractive female friend who can trigger the preselection algorithms of nearby girls. Unaware, and incapable of exploiting it. But isn’t that just another dulcet note in the battle hymn of the beta male? Strike suicidally at one’s own breast plate, and drip blood until a chubby spinster with sprog on the mind rescues you.”

    Speaking of Greek, as I was telling Paideia the other day: Get over your HB9 old flame who ditched you – quit obsessing about her all the damned time – and get out there in public with a new HB9 [whether you like the new one or not].

    Then:

    A) You’ve got a new flame to be dropping your load in [as opposed to the palm of your hand], and

    B) Nothing will re-ignite your old flame’s interest in you like seeing some competition dangling from your arm.

    It is shocking how quickly the jealousy gets aroused in the old flames.

    And if you decide that you don’t like the old flame anymore, then you have the added bonus of:

    C) Making your old flame miserable with envy.

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  6. on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 am lepillrouge

    Oh God, yes.

    And there’s nothing more fun, even if she’s obviously too much of a drama queen to be worth the effort, than cutting through the gauntlet and confidently getting her number in such circumstances. The hoard’ll catcall ya, insult your sexuality, and be all “not fair,” when she complies.

    As she will.

    Every. Damn. Time.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am Chris from Dublin

      LOL

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  7. on April 7, 2014 at 11:35 am Anonymous

    Mark-gawd-damn-Minter back from the grave. Nobody forgot your punk ass and everything you stood for. Top that motherfuckers… your reputation here is ruined.

    [CH: one thing that drives comment sections into the grave is constant sniping between factions of commenters. new readers who amble through here are curious and want to learn. they can’t do that if the signal-to-noise ratio is low.]

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 12:23 pm The Burninator

      What CH said is true. Take “Mark Minter” out of it completely, read the words and if they’re true, they’re true, if not…not. What you’re suffering is a case of argumentum tu quoque, which is basically discrediting true statements because the speaker of the truth is a hypocrite regarding those statements. Yes, perhaps, but that doesn’t make the statements any less true now does it?

      [CH: it’s a common logical fallacy that has life because the emotional impetus for making it is strong. (to wit, a homeless piss-stained bum remarking that chicks dig jerks is no less right because of his station in life.) of course, the same could be said of fat ugly feminists and their assertions: just b/c they’re fat and ugly doesn’t *necessarily* mean they’re wrong (or right).

      however, the condition of the messenger is often a leading indicator of the self-serving paucity of his or her message. thus, the fat fug feminist argues against beauty standards because she is emotionally and romantically harmed by the existence of said standards. therefore, a prejudicial assumption that what a fat fug feminist has to say about matters of love is likely a load of bullshit is more often than not the correct assumption, even if the consistent exercise of such assumptions is logically flawed.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm A Random Guy

        Ain’t that the truth. I have a lefty cousin who will roll his eyes when someone mentions something (true) they saw on Fox. My response to him (which gets another eyeroll) is ‘1+1 = 2 even if the Devil says so!’

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 4:19 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        So your cousin basically acts like a 13 years old girl. Nice family you have there.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 4:52 am The Burninator

        Basically all Leftists act like that. That said, Progressivism is little more than the psyche of a 13 year old girl writ into a political theory.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 9:12 am A Random Guy

        Not the entire family, just a couple of leftists 🙂

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:24 pm Kate

        Sharpest tools in the shed 🙂

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm JayMan

        You still need to factually evaluate the claim made, no matter who made it. A logical fallacy is still a fallacy no matter how you slice it.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 4:32 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Dear Heartiste,

        Indeed, after Achilles calls his commander out in the Iliad, laying it all on the line, a homeless person also calls out the commander. They tell him to shut up.

        I lost my Ritalin prescription, so I am having a rare moment of clar–oh there it is, behind the chick’s purse who is in my bed. Will be right back.

        OMG STHIDS IS SO MUCHEBETTERZ NOW IT AL MAKES SENSE BTUTHEXT EBENRNKEYELELENZZ ZLZLZZOOOZZOZOLZOZOZLZLZIjiowns

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 1:58 am lumpypua

        I ❤ u gbfm.

        Curious how many commenters here are fucked up on stimulants. I'm chilling on the adderall and making sure I don't turn into Cokie McSnortfuck. I need to watch my blood pressure. Modafinil is my fuel of choice right now with the perennial coffee habit. Gbfm, have you tried dexmethylphenidate? Like Ritalin but a little cleaner feeling IMO.

        If any of you kiddos want to step up to the big leagues, go get some desoxypipradrol at your nearest darknet market!

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 3:29 am Agent Jones

        Ah GBMF … WE. MISSED. YOU. 🙂

        You need a refrigerator full of Ritalin — remember that chick writer for xoJane who had a crisper drawer full of pharm drugs that Doctor Daddy Do-Right presumably prescribed for the pretty princess?

        Admit it, you’d invite her over for the butthexting so you could watch her get fucked up on your brain drugs. Who wouldn’t have a good laugh at that?

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 6:26 am Blaster

        The real trick with an untrustworthy messenger is usually sorting the truth from the lies. A good malicious lie is often sandwiched between a few harmless truths.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm A Random Guy

      Especially chickenshit anonymous posters…

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  8. on April 7, 2014 at 11:36 am Chris from Dublin

    What has happened to the western male?
    The straight men have become fags and only the fags are willing to act like real men

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 2:31 pm FuriousFerret

      Because the fags are a protected class they don’t get their metaphorical heads cut off when they step even a hint out of line.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 8:45 pm Chris from Dublin

        Some, not all.
        You’d be surprised what a strongly libertarian streak exists among many gays – we want our government to do its utmost to leave us alone.

        Yeah, there’s a cliche of the leftist fags but that’s not the whole lot

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 8:01 am Trimegistus

        If by “libertarian” you mean “free weed and porn” then, yes, there are a lot of libertarian gays. But I haven’t noticed many gays willing to vote against liberals, or speak up against the current climate of thought policing, or do anything to increase genuine liberty.

        I’d be happy, genuinely happy, if you can show me I’m wrong.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 9:06 am Chris from Dublin

        I suspect that what you refer to is more the case in the U.S.
        Remember, I’m living in Ireland and that’s my context.

        Ireland is a much freer society than the U.S., there’s barely a comparison

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 4:01 pm NiceGuyGoneCad (@NiceGuyGoneCad)

      Fags are useful idiots for those who push for the destruction of our civilization, just like feminists. Once the destruction is complete those in power won’t be kind to neither of them, be sure of it.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 8:53 pm Chris from Dublin

        I am sure of it.

        What we are witnessing in “the west” is a profound economic, political and societal collapse. Our greatest priority is to avert catastrophe.

        Putin is the only politician who is willing to take a political stand on anything. Compare Putin to the limpwristed wastes of space at the top of the U.S., the U.K. and Ireland. I never fail to smile at Putin’s unmasked contempt for Obama.

        How has it come to this?

        Neither have I ever witnessed such a gulf between the mainstream media (anti-Putin) and the folk on the street (pro-Putin).

        Unlike all the other jokers, Putin is a real leader

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 12:15 am tickletik

        He’s a known pedophile and “former” radical communist who’s ties are directly to the same bankers that control the states. It’s bad enough you take it up the ass in your sexual life, do your fucking research so you don’t have to get fucked in every other part of your life.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 9:08 am Chris from Dublin

        As I wrote, how has it come to this?

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 4:25 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

      Gays are the tip of the left’s cock being used to ram the asshole of civilization. And the homos enjoy it since they’re all about fecal matter and aids and gay bowel disease (look it up, its a real thing).

      Drug-resistant gonorrhea ftw.

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  9. on April 7, 2014 at 11:58 am Steve H

    Your astute analysis that follows notwithstanding, I fundamentally disagree that to “go out with a group of guy friends and one cute woman. You will righteously tool yourself before you’ve taken two steps toward self-hell into the bar” is a losing proposition.

    there’s nothing that says that you, in this scenario, have to orbit the ‘flaxen-haired’ one. pragmatically it’s to your advantage she’s there – it’s social proof that at least one hot chick legitimately likes hanging out with you. this of course is provided that you are the ‘right guy’ in a sea of beta simps.

    [CH: “barring extenuating circumstances” means “it’s ok as long as you know how to leverage her company to meet new women”]

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 12:01 pm Steve H

      (end of 1st paragraph) *is an accurate prediction of an all-but-certain losing proposition/scenario.

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  10. on April 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm Enaiad

    Do not go to bars in the first place, you fool!

    [CH: there’s nothing wrong with bars if you can handle the heat. all sorts of good girls go to bars to chill and socialize.]

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm Scray

      Are you crazy? Bars are great. I’m a barstar. If you meet a hot chick in a bar odds are she’s probably cool as fuck.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm Anonymous

        Must disagree. While there is undoubtedly quality ass for the taking in barz, most of the women there are obnoxious twunts.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm Tilikum

        think you meant “most women are obnoxious twunts”

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:27 pm Charlie Don't Surf

        When you go to a bar – I don’t bring a cute friend to use as a crutch.
        Use an actual crutch. Take the foam pad off and stick it in your pants.
        You’ll DMV until their eyes pop out.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:51 pm Charlie Don't Surf

        Uh, DHV … Freudian slip. Bwah!

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 3:58 pm thrust

        Club sluts are great, but they’re all burgers. if i want a steak, I’ll avoid the out n out bar star (yeea boi !)

        trust me on that.

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  11. on April 7, 2014 at 12:09 pm Amy

    “check the game literature for strategies and techniques detailing how to use a cute girl-friend as a pivot to other cute girls you have a realistic chance of sexing. Because that’s about the best use of a cute female buddy.”

    Yes, this. Plus I think having a girl in an all guy group makes them look less creepy. Like anything else, the key is how they act toward her. My guy friends don’t kiss up to me.. in fact they treat me like one of the guys, busting me if I do something stupid like fall out of my shoes. A good test is whether you’re openly checking out/gaming other girls w her. If you don’t want to or if she’d get mad if you did, you’re just one of her admirers.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm The Burninator

      ” Plus I think having a girl in an all guy group makes them look less creepy.”

      Ah Hay-soos Marimba Amy, here I was going on thinking you had a head on your shoulders. Then you went and said this.

      What especially is “creepy” about a group of guys at a bar hanging out, having fun and joking together over a beer? It’s how men have associated for centuries before women decided that they needed to be in the scene outside of the roll of barmaid, and it in no way made anybody “creepy”. In fact, I’m entirely uncertain how it does now either, even if they are hitting on the occasional chick that walks by.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm Scray

        I agree with her. A group of 3+ guys hanging out together is usually creepy. What -you’re- talking about is like a gang of guys who get to the bar, THEN fan out/split up to tag some ass. The latter arrangement is fine, and it’s the one I enjoy most with my natural (read: ones who can cold approach or at least talk to strangers) buddies.

        But yeah a group of 3 or more guys just staying together and talking the whole night is kinda gay. Two guys playing some pool or chilling? Fine.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm The Burninator

        I didn’t assume her context since it wasn’t explicit (I assumed lacking evidence to the contrary that she just meant groups of guys in general). The first arrangement is precisely what I was speaking of, which I enjoy as well.

        Still not entirely certain what’s wrong with 3 or 4 guys sitting around the bar discussing, for example, politics without regard to any aspect of “game”. It’s what the Founding Fathers did, so it works for me too. Not everything has to be about Princess Cupcake at the other end of the bar. Keep in mind this is the perspective of an older than the average age of this board man, so YMMV. Once you hit your 40’s sometimes you’d just rather sit and talk about your next gun purchase with a group of men, or talk about your common experiences in the military and compare notes, than listen to yet another chick prattle on about nothing for hours on end.

        Now 3+ guys sitting at the bar, pretending to be PUA’s, not actually acting on it or acting foolishly on it, whispering “game secrets” to each other, giggling amongst themselves, yeah, that’s a ticket directly to Fucktard Land.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm Scray

        ‘Still not entirely certain what’s wrong with 3 or 4 guys sitting around the bar discussing, for example, politics without regard to any aspect of “game”’

        Nothing is wrong with it, it’s just a DLV to be out a bar with a bunch of dudes talking amongst yourselves.

        ‘Once you hit your 40′s sometimes you’d just rather sit and talk about your next gun purchase with a group of men,’

        Maybe so, I can only speak to my experience as a mid-20’s male. When I want to chit-chat with my buddies, I usually do an activity with them. Like, we’ll play a small pool tournament, or we’ll play poker together, etc. etc. We won’t just sit around.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm The Burninator

        It’s DLV if your only goal is the pussy agenda. And there’s nothing wrong, at all, in any way shape or form, with the pussy agenda. But sometimes you just want to sit and talk to your friends about the best way to adjust the valves on your particular model of motorcycle (or whatever, a non-chick related topic is what I’m getting at). At that point there is no value to demonstrate since you literally don’t give a fuck what any passing woman thinks. Which oddly, seems to me, DHV, heh. You’re ignoring her little cupcake arse when she’s just *sure* that you should care what she’s wearing, etc. Only partially kidding on that btw.

        Also to note is that this does not apply to groups of men who are supposed to, by definition, be grouped together. Women line up to try to break into the sight and conversations of groups of bikers who are standing around talking amongst themselves. It’s all in context.

        We won’t just sit around.

        No, not now, I totally get that. Was the same way. Bet you a full, crisp, clean dollar bill that by time you hit your 40’s you’ll value a little down time to chat with buds that doesn’t involve any exterior motivation than simply talking. In other words, it doesn’t have to accompany an activity outside of a steady supply of Scotch.

        Men used to have spaces where only men gathered, and they’d hang out and shoot the shit, play darts, read books, golf, or whatever. At the time they were considered natural extensions of how men act and react to each other. Now they’d be called “creepy”. The effeminization of culture continues I’m afraid (not pointed at your comments, btw, just a general muse).

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:36 pm Scray

        I’m just saying it’s a DLV in the sense that, if you took a break from talking to your friends to talk to a chick, and that chick saw that you’d been talking to a bunch of dudes for an hour…..that chick would think less of you than if she’d seen you and your bros macking on chicks for an hour. That’s all.

        ‘ In other words, it doesn’t have to accompany an activity outside of a steady supply of Scotch.’

        I’ll take that bet. Just letting you know….at this stage of life, all harder alcohol makes me want to to is the double F. Maybe one day it’ll get me in the mood to chat, who can say.

        [CH: Over the years I have noticed two types of men who attract a lot of positive female attention in bars: Social kings who charismatically hold court with everyone, and fearless conversation starters who bring new women into their sphere of influence. Men who don’t do well with women are the men described in this post and the men who “hang out” with their buds all night doing nothing but gawking.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:05 pm The Burninator

        I’m just saying it’s a DLV in the sense that, if you took a break from talking to your friends to talk to a chick, and that chick saw that you’d been talking to a bunch of dudes for an hour…..that chick would think less of you than if she’d seen you and your bros macking on chicks for an hour. That’s all.

        My market value is high enough that it wouldn’t really matter unless she were an absolute new arrival in town. I have a rather well known reputation around here, in a good way. How it affects other men, I really don’t know, you may be right and probably are.

        ‘ In other words, it doesn’t have to accompany an activity outside of a steady supply of Scotch.’

        I’ll take that bet. Just letting you know….at this stage of life, all harder alcohol makes me want to to is the double F. Maybe one day it’ll get me in the mood to chat, who can say.

        Oh, I can guarantee it. But your enthusiasm is admirable. You’ll get to the point where you can not take another night listening to some bubble headed chick, even the HB 9+, go on about absolutely nothing at all as if it were significant. The game is just so pat and easy especially at this stage in life if you retain looks, build, wealth, confidence and a lot of high reputation, that the challenge is not there. You’ve heard her words out of the mouths of about a thousand other women in your lifetime, and you’re really more interested in what your buddy has to detail in his range report regarding his new Ruger than listening to her idiocy and narcissism cum “aren’t I special? me me me me me me!”

        Over at ROK they occasionally have articles about “Men need their own social clubs/spaces” that I tend to agree with. The constant stream of babble and lunacy is nice to walk away from, on occasion.

        This is not to say you give up on chicks. Not at all. You simply mete out a bit of time for things other than them.

        CH is right on the group gawkers, goodness knows there are plenty of them to be had. That’s not what I’m talking about at all, if I were sitting around with a group just gawking, that’s idiotic and a waste of time, and could be more economically served by buying a bottle of hootch, taking it home and watching porn.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm Steve H

        1 guy overtly pursuing sex = creepy
        2 guys overtly pursuing sex as ‘wings’ = creepier
        3 guys overtly pursuing sex together as a trolling troupe = creepiest

        [CH: you’ve just indicted the origins of 99% of the world’s relationships for creepiness.]

        *creepy = I’ll qualify it.

        -their presence at x-venue is purely agenda driven; only out for 1 reason
        -uninterested in one another as actual friends, catching up + prioritizing each other’s company
        -attached to the outcome of getting laid (or else the night is a ‘failure’)

        while it’s the exception to the rule, i have seen 3+ guys hanging out at a bar et al in a non-creepy fashion. bachelor parties can be the positive exception also. and in contrast, i’ll see 1 guy creepily pursuing all too often.

        [you write like a butthurt woman.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:16 pm Scray

        I actually think what you said is least creepy. Guys who hit the bar and then split up and try to pull girls into their group are more likely to end up running the entire bar — why? Because they’re going to collectively talk to everyone in that bar. Eventually everyone will become part of their group in one way or another.

        The fact that they have an agenda and the balls to follow through makes them cool.

        idk, when it works out you are Gods of the Venue.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:47 pm Steve H

        [CH: you’ve just indicted the origins of 99% of the world’s relationships for creepiness…you write like a butthurt woman.]

        If you know chicks more prone to moistness than revulsion upon sight of thirsty troupes overtly trolling for pussy…

        [CH: describe in detail what constitutes “overtly trolling for pussy”.]

        Or to put it differently, how do you enjoy it when you’re hanging out with 3 younger, attractive chicks – and said thirsty troupe clumsily ‘infiltrates’ your group, obnoxiously panting?

        [A widely known and non-controversial PUA rule is to avoid approaching girls like a wolf pack. one man appraoches, then signals his buds to join if advantageous.]

        That’s where I’m coming from. I aim to supplant annoyance with sympathy and understanding when that occurs. Those poor beta simps. Creepy beta simps.

        [that tack can work if the interloper has no idea what he’s doing.]

        You choose not to acknowledge that the ‘creepy pursuer’ is an omnipresent pathetic archetype here in amerika.

        [i choose to acknowledge, based on observation, that ‘creepy’ is an empty, trite, overused term of artlessness often deployed by chubby femcunts who are upset that alpha males ignore them and beta males slobber on them.]

        As for why you unilaterally eschew a thoughtfully deconstructed analysis of ‘creepy’ in its negative, observable in-field machinations, you’d have to tell me why that is.

        [gotta work on your priors.]

        Why not shake that awful impression while still approaching with naked sexual intent as often as they want. That’s my point.

        [let’s not go astray. the take-home point of this post is that five dudes and one cute girl glowing from all the supplicating attention she’s getting from them is a horrible game plan if getting laid is the goal.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:38 pm Steve H

        [CH: describe in detail what constitutes “overtly trolling for pussy”.]

        I have a personal rule: do not go out just to get laid. Go out with the intent of having a good time (including but not solely limited to the sexual), meeting people, and lastly – possibly giving/helping/inspiring people if I can. Where sex is certainly atop ‘having a good time’, i focus more on giving opportunities to chicks. knowing i am the prize. that’s my frame.

        [CH: ok, but intent is a mental state that may or may not be accompanied by “overt” seduction.]

        The opposite of this would be the prototypical obnoxious behavior that annoys everyone…as chronicled in recent Vice column ‘This American Bro’. That’s what I’d call overtly trolling for pussy, and it does nobody any favors including the instigator.

        [men have to bustamove at some point if they want to get laid. this is the unalterable nature of the sexual market.]

        [A widely known and non-controversial PUA rule is to avoid approaching girls like a wolf pack. one man appraoches, then signals his buds to join if advantageous.]

        Though new here, i’m assuming you’ve been the only dude among groups of attractive women. how do you like a “thirsty troupe clumsily ‘infiltrating’ your group, obnoxiously panting? how do you handle it?

        [if a “thirsty troupe” of men is “panting” over a girl in my group, i won’t have to do much. she’ll make it pretty clear real fast she’s not interested.]

        i am friendly but firm. i’m not going to be a dick about it. they leave after a minute or two. but it’s a minute or two i’ll (we’ll) never get back. this is speaking of scenarios with thirsty, tactless dudes, i.e. who seem fresh off reading ‘the game’ and who none of my female acquaintances want anything to do with.

        [i choose to acknowledge, based on observation, that ‘creepy’ is an empty, trite, overused term of artlessness often deployed by chubby femcunts who are upset that alpha males ignore them and beta males slobber on them.]

        fair enough. it’s one thing to be called creepy and know she’s full of shit for one of myriad reasons. that can be overcome easily with agree + amplify etc. it’s another thing to realize that you actually were ‘creepy’ in that you were attached to an outcome and triggered an actual legitimate defense mechanism she has which says ‘oh no. this guy wants it too bad. this is a guy coming from scarcity. he might rape me if i said no, that’s how thirsty he seems’.

        [thirstiness is a modern slang twist on neediness, which as all good womanizers know is anathema to attracting women.]

        [gotta work on your priors.]

        fair enough. new here.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 4:12 pm NiceGuyGoneCad (@NiceGuyGoneCad)

        Use of the word “creepy” signals a mental maturity close to that of a 15 year old girl. That’s bad unless you’re one.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 10:21 pm Matthew

        In which case … do you have a boyfriend?

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 11:24 pm Steve H

        the word ‘creepy’ is now central to the lexicon, and it’s not going away. you can either choose denial or you can play the ball where it lies. from a simple ‘plunder’ intent – the word’s omnipresence can benefit you. it’s a lazy ‘oh snap’ ad-hom for mentally immature women, yet most guys fumble when on the receiving end of it. you on the other hand are smart enough to be one of the select few that easily redirects the word to your benefit. just another opportunity for you to ‘win’.

        if you render my later-comment deconstruction of the term insufficient and have something to add, fire away.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm Amy

        Ok, I admit creepy depends on how they look. But even a large group of attractive guys… I think it’s less intimidating if they have a girl in the mix. A big group with only men, no women is somewhat intimidating. Maybe it’s just me.

        [CH: creepy != intimidating. english matters.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:55 pm The Burninator

        CH appears to be in neurological sync with me today, that’s about the sum of the matter. Most girls like dangerous, intimidating men at some level, which is the exact opposite reaction you’d expect them to have to “creepy” guys.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:57 pm no

        creepy in a bar is not being able to hold your own

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm jez

        No, I think that’s “leaky”, isn’t it?

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 12:59 pm newly aloof

        You want creepy? You think having a girl there would make it less creepy? Go read My Secret Garden then come back here and apologize.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm Amy

        I’m describing two different groups. Creepy is like that old SNL skit with the guys in shiny suits trying to grind girls on the dance floor. Creepy, pathetic, annoying.

        Intimidating is just a large group of guys out with no girls. Yes, intimidating is better than creepy, yes intimidating can be a good thing depending on context. I still think it’s harder to pull a girl into an all-male group vs. a mixed group. Again, maybe it’s me. But if girls are intimidated by all male groups, then being intimidating in that context is not getting you anywhere.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:19 pm The Burninator

        I’m describing two different groups. Creepy is like that old SNL skit with the guys in shiny suits trying to grind girls on the dance floor. Creepy, pathetic, annoying.

        They’re a joke and the “pretend PUA” types I was describing.

        I still think it’s harder to pull a girl into an all-male group vs. a mixed group.

        You’re reading too much into groups of men in this category. There’s a fair to better than fair chance that they’re not in the slightest bit interested in pulling you or any other chick if they’re sitting there discussing the best powder to hand load a .308 with. You’re young and presumably pretty, or at least you self advertise in that manner, so you may not realize it, but no matter how much you’re flirted with in real life, sometimes guys just don’t want to bother with your shit and want to talk amongst themselves. Strange but true.

        As to crowds of intimidating men who may actually try to pull some tail, well, you may wish to avoid motorcycle rallies/bike nights. Lots of really hot chicks don’t seem to mind, but you say you do, so, well, there you go.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:42 pm Amy

        “but no matter how much you’re flirted with in real life, sometimes guys just don’t want to bother with your shit and want to talk amongst themselves. Strange but true.”

        Lol I know that. I assumed we were talking about pickup venues. Groups of guys checking girls out to hook up, whatever. What you’re describing is a totally different scene. I’m talking about a group of guys trying to get me to come over, or mix with my group. In my experience it’s easier to do that if you have a girl or two with you.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:20 pm Steve H

        Yes, this. In a large group of men with just one woman, if they are cool and carefree enough it’s easy to meet another girl and introduce this new girl to the group. And naturally, 19x outta 20, the new girl will engage that one girl in your group first conversationally. Without the presence of that one girl in your group, that ‘built-in comfort provision’ isn’t there for the new chick.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:20 pm Scray

        Well, the way you pull into a large male group is to first split up. 6 guys arrive to the venue, maybe 4 of them roll out to the pool tables/darts area and 2 of them linger at the bar. All of them chat up everyone, but they mostly gun for the chicks. Later on, everyone will come back together….and these 6 people will now become connectors for everyone in the bar, adding tremendous value to everyone’s night.

        I’m so sure of it because I’ve been part of it so many times now. In fact, that’s how I’ve DHV’d hard enough to land the really hot chicks I’m with now. Being a barstar is pretty cool.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:17 pm Scray

        Oh. Intimidating is a good thing. I just think it’s creepy if they give off that ‘we’re a bunch of dudes who will stick together because we’re scared of grrrrrrls’ vibe.

        [CH: ‘creepy’ is just an all-purpose smear that women resort to labeling any male behavior that actively turns them off. as such, it makes no sense to examine the smear for deeper meaning beyond the most superficial reading of it as a generic female exclamation of negativity. it’s more accurate to label a lot of so-called “creepy” men as ‘losers’. and yes, losers are men who sit around all night twiddling their thumbs instead of approaching the girls they want to meet and fuck.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:28 pm Amy

        “give off that ‘we’re a bunch of dudes who will stick together because we’re scared of grrrrrrls’ vibe.”

        Yea this. But the thing is, you risk giving that impression anyway if you’re in a guy-only group in a pickup setting*, just by virtue of the fact that there are no girls in your group. That’s my take on it.

        *the venue is important. A bunch of guys hanging out in a pub watching a game is different than a bunch of guys at a club standing in a halfcircle at the bar looking at girls.

        [CH: everything you’re attempting to circumscribe was tacitly explained in the opening sentence to this post. “Barring extenuating circumstances…”. that is, hanging with a girl buddy is fine so long as the man has the wherewithal and talent to leverage her company into new romance. the beta males in this story did not. they would have been better served going to the bar without her.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:38 pm Scray

        How will anyone know you’re with a bunch of guys if everyone in your group is ‘picking up’ i.e. talking to chicks, tho? It’s almost impossible unless EVERYONE in your group is a complete sperglord and fails to even spark conversation with a chick.

        A group of dudes with a Tony Montana ‘this whole bar’s a pussy just waiting to get fucked’ attitude will do aight.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm The Burninator

        Oh. Intimidating is a good thing. I just think it’s creepy if they give off that ‘we’re a bunch of dudes who will stick together because we’re scared of grrrrrrls’ vibe.

        Now that, I agree with absolutely. I’d add “pathetic” to it as well.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 9:22 pm little spoon

        I don’t think creepy and loser are the same. Creepy guys have a more overtly sexual vibe that losers do not necessarily posses. Women know creepy guys want to screw them, desperately. Losers don’t necessarily reek of lechery.

        Losers cannot be sexy. On rare occasion, a creepy guy can be sexy. Like Kevin Bacon villains- creepy, but not without appeal.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm Theodore Logan

        Every woman fantasizes about being gang raped don’t cha know!

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm Amy

        Lol I was wondering how long it would take to get to this. Now lets all sit back and wait for YaReally to tell me that deep down I want to be beaten senseless by pimps and have sex with dogs.

        [CH: as a general point about the nature of the sexes, no woman will admit to desiring a sexual depravity until a man she desires summons it from her.]

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:48 pm Amy

        Well, you’d be surprised what I’d admit given the anonymity here. What do I care? We’ll never meet.

        But in real life, you are absolutely, one thousand percent right.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:52 pm newly aloof

        You are occupying your valuable time inside a male-centric watering hole and calling out one of the top rock stars here for his attention. THAT’S creepy!

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:02 pm Amy

        Oh come on, it’s just a feeble attempt at humor. And who says my time is valuable? Lol

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm YaReally

        “[CH: as a general point about the nature of the sexes, no woman will admit to desiring a sexual depravity, not even to herself, until a man she desires summons it from her.]”

        FTFY.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm Scray

        This sounds like a Louis C.K. joke. I used to think Louis C.K. was hilarious pre-game….nowadays there’s just something about his style that I think is lame.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 6:11 pm Tilikum

        He’s a sissy.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm Matthew

        Jim Gaffigan is more alpha than Louis C. K.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 5:24 am thwack

        and a spic

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 7:22 am PR

        how long you gonna let whitey live rent free in your head thwack? til you die? ha!

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  12. on April 7, 2014 at 12:12 pm J.B

    It’s because of this massive betailzation, women start to crave and tingle for men with thuggish traits.

    A few days ago, I went to the mall to buy some clothes but I also decided to stop by the food court before I left.

    Well, I got my brotein and sat at a table to eat. Not two minutes past, and a couple sits in front of me. Visually, they seem happy to be with each other, especially the “man”. They look like good middle class people who go to church on Sundays.

    A couple of minutes past and these two thuggish guys sit at a table beside them. I couldn’t hear them all too well but they asked if they knew where a specific shoe store was located at.

    The man was a bit taken back but responded that he didn’t know. The woman gave them directions to it but not before asking questions. Then, almost instantly, the woman started subtly flirting with them. The thug guys couldn’t pick up on it but I knew the signs all too well.

    They leave but not before she turns around to check them out one last time.

    I felt sorry for the husband because to an unenlightened guy, this all happens too fast. It takes months of “game practice” to see little cues in whether a woman wants you inside of her, or whether she’s emotionally checking out of the relationship. It isn’t until she physically checks out that most guys notice, but by then, it’s all ready too late.

    I know everyone says it but it bears repeating -, man the fuck up. Start by lifting weights, fix your posture, slap your bitch around every now and then and break her sexual barriers. A chick tells you she doesn’t anal? Tie her up and ram it in anyway. She says she doesn’t give blowjobs? Ram it in anyway. I know Rollo talks about genuine desire and he’s right about that, but pimps have been breaking women this way and look what happens? She falls in love with him. She gives her body, temporarily, to other men but her heart stays with him.

    She may deny it but it’s what her id wants.

    Own her completely. Dominate her in bed.

    If you break her the right way, especially during sex, you’ll have a slave for life.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm newly aloof

      This is like what YaR talks about when he says he knows he’s the highest value man there, because he’s able to see the seemingly hidden interactions. Before game I could see a good bit of these, but now with game I see all of them like Neo. When you can see like this, you do indeed feel like the most high value man around and you can see how every My Secret Garden woman thinks.

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  13. on April 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm LS

    The five guys sound like their social skills were honed in adolescence with always trying to please Mom.

    Are there no fathers in the house anymore?

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm Reservoir Tip

      No, there aren’t.

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm Troubadour

        Pretty much not.

        Whatever else Shamu and I are, we’re still married 20 years later. I’ve been approached by tons of kids over the years asking me questions about my own kids. “So, you’re their father… And you’re their mother… And you guys live together? In the same house? And you’re married??!!”

        What we have is sufficiently rare as to be shocking, and yet there wasn’t really a man in the house until very late in the kids’ lives. Almost too late in their lives.

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  14. on April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm girlwithadragonflytattoo

    hmmm….

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 3:57 pm FuriousFerret

      Are you like future Amy or something?

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      • on April 7, 2014 at 4:49 pm thrust

        ch should throw a ban these random cockpits that finger their assholes whoring non sequitur comments.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 5:16 pm Director

      Wow, just Wow!

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 7:41 am girlwithadragonflytattoo

        Let me guess… you’re in awe of my profound comment.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 10:00 am CH

      …

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 10:33 am The Burninator

        Creepy!

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  15. on April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm no

    pawning women iz a natural male jnclination..but white knighters have been gelded in this gelded age of humanity

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  16. on April 7, 2014 at 12:41 pm Anonymous

    Related to pre selection:

    Talking to my wife and one of her hot friends. The friend very obviously flirts w me. Ten minutes later in the car the wife is giving me the second best road head I’ve ever received and she’s sopping wet. No wine involved, or any particular efforts on my part, just the attentions of another beautiful woman.

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  17. on April 7, 2014 at 1:36 pm karmageddon

    The L.A. times is actually saying that the persecution of Brendan Eich (Mozilla CEO), along with militant gay-rights activism, is bordering on Orwellian / Communist thought control.

    “The only good thing to come out of Eich’s forced resignation is that a number of prominent liberals have been horrified that someone can be ousted from a job merely for expressing his views politically as a private citizen.”

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-mozilla-brendan-eich-gay-rights-activists-biggest-bullies-0140406,0,3050179.story#ixzz2yEMvH8jh

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm Grim

      This is good. As CH and/or others with a positive outlook said, the left has taken it too far with the ridiculousness and there will be a reaction.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm Glengarry

      That’s what you get for working at ‘mozilla.

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  18. on April 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm Glengarry

    So how do we deorbit these lost souls? My analysis relies on the balls-weight method.

    The sneaky orbiter approach, which is what they’re all going for, is to outwait the rest of them. It will end in beta tears even for the last beta standing, of course, since Balls(Beta) Balls(Female).

    The collective approach is to depedestal her. How about telling her all four of them want to do her … right now. No joke. The room number is 666 (jiggle key). Here, have a shot of patron. You’re so fucking hot. Let’s go. (If she doesn’t take the bait, drift off. Whether it works or not, they’re deorbited.) While each member may still have less balls than her, it requires 4*Balls(Beta) > Balls(Female).

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 1:43 pm Glengarry

      Heh, wow, wordpress really doesn’t like less-than signs, does it?

      The middle part: individual deorbiting relies on standing out, discreetly but clearly sexualizing it, then detaching from the group. The gravitational pull of greater balls shall hopefully seal the deal, leading to sordid trysts or more.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 7:33 am Director

      Spill a drink on the cunt.

      Then go take a quick piss.

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  19. on April 7, 2014 at 2:02 pm Troubadour

    I winced. I remembered an episode from high school where I went to an amusement park with a hot college chick and two orbiting college dweebs. Obviously none of the three of us got the girl, but the worst part was when a cute female attendant came along and adjusted one of the rides we were on so that it went from being comfortable to smashing my testicles. Both girls giggled their ass off, and I went through the entire ride suffering nut pain.

    It doesn’t get much more emasculating than cute girls laughing at your nut pain while you orbit them as the least likely of a bunch of unlikely lads. Plus one of the rides broke my watch, and I loved that watch.

    On the bright side, lame as I was, even I figured out that was a pointless endeavor, and I never repeated such an episode. Oh, I orbited lots of other girls, but I never orbited as part of an entourage of eunuchs.

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  20. on April 7, 2014 at 3:10 pm How To Be The Biggest Tool In The Bar | Reaction Times

    […] By CH […]

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  21. on April 7, 2014 at 4:18 pm earl

    Tis better to worship and beta orbit God. One benefit is that you don’t worship women…the other benefits are everything else.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 6:15 pm Tilikum

      Yeah but of course it the same thing. At least when a girl chumps ya you can look at her tits. When an imaginary sky monster created as a control mechanism for your human sexual proclivities games ya, all u get to look at is a leather bound book.

      That’s sad.

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  22. on April 7, 2014 at 4:29 pm Joe Blow

    I never really understood my own observations in this type of situation until reading this. About once per quarter we have the semi-regular firm Mandatory Fun Happy Hour. The ratio is usually 2+:1 female:male. I’m not down with talking about the latest Pinterest posting and only show up because it’s a professional duty to show my face, say hello to a couple people who actually matter to me, bless the proceedings and move on. After 5-7 minutes of grip and grin (about two minutes per person for the people I give a shit about, and yes, I sort of time it so as to not wear out my welcome), I go sit at the bar and get three fingers of the best bourbon they have on hand to put in 60 minutes of Being Seen before I punch out for home. I usually try to do it alone or if another attorney I’m pals with shows up I’ll hang out with him. There are a couple female attorneys who sometimes amble out of the lounge area, but they’re ‘buddy’ types and we talk sports and the group body language reflects their status – no touching or flirting, just pals, not interested for a lot of reasons… we’re not orbiting, they aren’t chasing.

    It always happens that while the hen party is going on and the junior associates and the male staff are partying with the girls, random women walk up and chat to me or the 1-2 other guys in our little cluster near the bar. I always dress the part and thought that was what was putting me on their radar, but this post made me realize the importance of the group dynamic and not being part of that cackling disaster area with a huge pack of women and a bunch of orbiters in the lounge. I’ve never seen any of the guys hanging out with the hens get any action at all. It’s like the collected women are putting out some queen bee pheromone that drives other women away. The orbiters though, they party on unawares.

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    • on April 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm Charlie Don't Surf

      This is exactly the type of tedious, hierarchical, status-stroking bullshit that made working in legal so horrendous. What shit you speak!

      Shove your observations and professional duty up your ass – you kill-joy stuffed shirt douche bag. Because your arrogant assessment of group dynamics missed the fact that nobody likes a wet blanket.

      You’re the big man around the office – and a 3-finger social retard in life.

      Next time, do everyone a favor – stay home.

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  23. on April 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm rouge

    I don’t think this has much to do with the decline of the West or anything. It is simply human nature that is universal and has happened across all cultures throughout history. A pretty woman has enormous power and privilege over others, and betas act out of deference. It’s not really unusual…

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 4:29 am The Burninator

      Why did you name yourself after a shade of red? You a chick?

      I do agree with your observations. Not much different than a bunch of knights rushing to defend a “lady’s honor” if some errant knave so much as refused to grovel sufficiently in her presence. It all has its roots in the poor Germanic invention via France that we call “chivalry” or as I call it “the first resurgence of feminism in the West after the fall of the western Roman empire”. In their defense at least “ladies” back then were generally chaste and had some amount of assumed virtue and were not tatted up, cackling cum dumpsters. Well…not until after they were married off and started seeing Lancelot on the side I mean.

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  24. on April 7, 2014 at 9:14 pm walawala

    This happens a lot in Asia and Asian social circles: girl or a few girls outnumbered by guys. Maybe one of the guys is a “boyfriend”…emphasis on “friend” the others are orbiters.

    The girl always looks so happy and radiant, and what girl wouldn’t being put up on a pedestal like that and not having to do any work at all and basking in all that eunuch attention.

    The fact is in this situation separating the girl is extremely difficult without getting sucked into the eunuch vortex.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 12:24 am Promethean

      I have seen this many times and it’s damn pathetic to watch.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 3:42 am blogster

      Yes. Having dated Asians and had Asian friends, can attest to this. Only recently, while doing my MBA, this Cluster B headcase American-Korean from California tried this. We both lived in the same 300 room apartment complex but I had not noticed her (5 face, 7.5 ex-gymnast body) until one day on the way to the lift, she literally jumped out in front of me and caught me off guard. Literally two minutes later, a Facebook request. Then constant messages.

      Sensing fool’s mate, I let her know I would be going to a nearby café for coffee and she could join me if she wanted. When I arrived, she was already sitting down with her Beta entourage in tow, 4-5 nerdy Euros of mixed origin. Sensing the set up my coffee was take-away. She suggested I ‘come study with them’, but laughed it off.

      For the next four months she kept trying similar tricks until one day she realised I wasn’t going to bite and she had the inevitable Cluster B meltdown. From then on, it was typical left-wing snark, condescension etc., trying to twist my comments/catch me out, whenever we crossed paths. She attempted the same move on some of my friends and they just laughed it off.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 10:38 am walawala

        @blogster great story. Asian women love building up orbiters. I’ve now started to build up my own litter of female Asian orbiters. It’s great for social proof, they do stuff for me which is a great DHV and none of the other girls in my social circle can figure out IF or WHICH ONE of them I’m banging.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 7:35 am Director

      Drop your drink in her lap accidentally and humiliate her. Offer to buy the twat another.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 8:54 am rouge

        I almost misread that you suggested offering to buy her twat haha

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  25. on April 8, 2014 at 12:33 am Rum

    If you drive up to this bar in a hyper-iconic, far-gone into legend, little red 2 seat-drop – dead-gorgeous monster of a sports racer – and make your arrival also about your own self and the two hot 22 year old Schizophrenics, who have cheerfully crammed themselves into the single other seat along with an 11 foot spitting python that likes to sleep on the dashboard; — a lot of your work has already been done…

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  26. on April 8, 2014 at 12:50 am gunslingergregi

    i seen 5 guys around an ugly chick i wouldn’t fuck how bad is that

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 12:56 am gunslingergregi

      my chick even said wtf about it
      we know the chick
      shit been going on for years
      the dudes don’t move on with lives

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  27. on April 8, 2014 at 12:52 am Will

    CH how important to a man’s smv is getting rid of or decreasing slight acne scarring on your cheeks would you say…

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  28. on April 8, 2014 at 7:23 am Just Saying

    You ALWAYS want more women then men in any group – women are best when they are competing with other women, so you want to encourage that as much as possible. Having fewer men then women increases the competitive nature among the women – ideally 2 for 1 is what you shoot for so every guy has a couple of women vying for his attention.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 7:39 am Director

      Very true.

      I run a gallery. I’ve got three interns. Also have a girl friend. The competition is fucking hilarious. Admittedly it isn’t about screwing the interns, what happens is that women outside that harem pop up all the time. Meanwhile all four of my support beavers are always pleasing master.

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    • on April 8, 2014 at 8:00 am YaReally

      “You ALWAYS want more women then men in any group”

      Back in the day Adam Lyons had a rule that you don’t come out with him unless you bring 10 girls with you, ’cause that’s what he was bringing out. He worked as a club promoter and combined it with game to focus HEAVILY on entourage/social circle game and would do shit like use his connections he built through his game skills to arrange guest lists etc. and then have all his girls dress in a theme (like all of them wearing white to match his white suit etc.) and meet somewhere for pre-drinks then roll up to the bar as a huge group with him the center of the girls etc. Creative shit.

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 8:51 am Grim

        that will be really cool when he’s 38, 42, 45.. he getting any kind of education to fall back on?

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      • on April 8, 2014 at 10:58 am YaReally

        Not sure he needs to fall back on anything. Dude is basically an entrepreneur who built his own name up, started his own business teaching pickup, married himself a hot chick (considering he was a skinny D&D nerd), and I think it’s pretty safe to say that a guy who spent years rolling into high-end clubs with 10+ hot girls on his arms probably networked himself into close relationships with people who would help him accomplish whatever he decided he wanted to accomplish in the future. I don’t imagine it would be difficult for him to go back to school to become more educated if he felt like it.

        …but I’m sure he’s up late at night worried about whether a guy on the Internet thinks he’s cool lol

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  29. on April 8, 2014 at 9:08 am Grim

    Faggotry and Leftism/MSMism/Cathedralism as it is currently being practiced is *a disease*. I’m going to take the time to concisely spell out what most of us here know. CH I’d be honored if this gets through the filter.

    A well known fireman in my town was just arrested on kiddie porn charges. He’s gay. 98% of all kiddie porn crazies are gay men. It’s little boys they want to abuse and see get abused. The same MSM/Cathedral/government “powers that be” that are not only forcing gay marriage down our throats still make gay child porn possession illegal, but doing things like getting the inventor of javascript fired for donating $1,000 of his personal money to a campaign saying marriage is between a man and a woman THAT OVERWHEMINGLY WAS APPROVED BY LIKE 65% OF THE VOTERS IN CALIFORNIA!!! Why? It’s another example of the disconnect in their malfunctioning brains.

    The US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is an embarrassment. Keep reading. A constitution, in this country, is literally the supreme ultimate law *of the people*. The voters of CA changed their state constitution to say marriage is between a man and a woman. That’s THE CONSTITUTION, yet the 9th Circuit held that this was “unconstitutional”!!!! That is literally hobbilydygock bullshit literally metaphysically impossible. This idea that unelected judges declare things “unconstitutional” based on their idea of “what’s right” is so far gone from the real idea of the Founders’ constitutional law that even the left should….. should …. get it!!! It is nothing less than outrageous to an extreme, scary degree.

    We do not live in a country that is anywhere close to being free right now or under US Constitutional law.

    So this guy Eich was forced out by the gay marriage crazies for donating $1,000 of his personal money in his own name (literally this is political “speech” protected by the First Amendment) to a cause that *happened to also be approved by 65% of his fellow citizens* by the way!!!!!! Only ruled “unconstitutional” by the out-of-control 9th Circuit.

    It is literally more mind boggling to a thinking logical person than if you saw a pink elephant flying today.

    The voters directly put the words into the constitution using the process. That IS the constitution. It literally cannot be “unconstitutional” because it’s first-level words of the document put there directly by the people.

    This country was lost starting in the 1960s with the Warren court. Hmmmmm.

    Even if my constitutional point is ignored….say it was just a statute, not amending the constitution, the guy donated $1,000 to the side THAT WAS AGREED WITH BY 65% OF HIS FELLOW CITIZENS!!!

    And again, faggotry is a disease. What faggots really want to see is little boys a huge % of the time. It’s just true.

    Yet the MSM never connects the dots. Gay marriage is great but gay kiddie porn is a crime (as it should be). It’s about STANDARDS and the democratic (small D) branch of government is supposed to be able to set standards that are not overruled by unelected judges. This is what the left just doesn’t grasp.

    The left’s “logic” behind supporting gay marriage VIGOROUSLY means they literally don’t think the people should be able to make ANY standards, so literally it should be legal to have sex with a 5 year old, with a goat, etc.

    By the way, I really am (and have been) boycotting OKC and all the other online sites. You players might say I’m only hurting myself, reducing my pool of potentials…but whatever…. I am going to just keep trying to learn game and meet girls somehow in starbucks or in the gym or whatever in the real world. Fuck the assholes behind OKC and Match (CEO is the same guy).

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  30. on April 8, 2014 at 10:51 am Grim

    re: “The presence of an attractive woman elevates testosterone and physical risk taking in young men. …”

    LOL yep any man who has ever lifted in a gym knows that. Whenever there is a hot girl there I work out way better. Not even thinking she’s actually impressed with my mediocre strength and body, not thinking she’s going to come over and start having sex with me like a movie….just a literal increase in testosterone. Anyone who lifts knows what I’m talking about.

    The gym I go to now is empty most of the time…. on the rare occasions when a hottie is in the room I get a better workout.

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  31. on April 8, 2014 at 8:18 pm More Answers to Confused People | Beyond Highbrow - Robert Lindsay

    […] From Heartiste: […]

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  32. on April 8, 2014 at 11:49 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    Hence, my namesake here. Third Orbiter. Its all about laziness, really. Save yourselves, betas.

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    • on April 9, 2014 at 9:43 pm Third Beta from the Sun

      It’s funny though, the lengths they will go to in trying to keep you from leaving.

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  33. on April 13, 2014 at 12:00 pm Jackye

    “The girls in my company…” – CH couldn’t resist throwing in Mystery’s typical story bump

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