Krauser is one of a small handful of pickup artists (old skool translation: womanizers) CH respects who are legitimate voices in a wilderness of heavy-handed marketing and shyster phonies. He’s got tight game, avoids hype, keeps it on the level, and his style isn’t overheated histrionics that only appeal to a minority of highly extroverted men. For those who require proof of poonhoundery, Krauser used to post up documentary XXX videos of the girls he was banging, and CH can confirm they were a quality lot. (Probably a good idea he stopped doing that.)
Also, for you “only looks matter” trolls, Krauser is not a Clooney clone. So you can rest easy that his lays are earned by the nimbleness of his tongue than by the twinkle of his bedroom eyes.
Krauser has a new book out — a monster by the looks of it — called Daygame Mastery. Word on the street is that it’s the Encyclopedia Britannica of day game. Quote:
- The vibe chapters explain targeting, cold reading the potential targets, girl archetypes plus their traits and his own take on approach anxiety (which I hadn’t heard before). There’s also some interesting stuff on stateless game rather than getting into state.
- The street chapters cover everything from stopping, body language, subcommunication, tone, different opening methods and his own template on opening. This is further broken down to show how it works. The conversational section is fascinating, it gives examples on advancing with hooks or rapport and then expands further.
- There is a short game/long game segment is fantastic and it could be a book in itself. Instances of text chats are shown and every sent/received text is dissected, the same is done with social media. Krauser shows how to build the most appealing facebook profile and then more real world examples of the chats he’s had and why they have worked.
- The date model is incredible descriptive, detailing everything from how to react if she’s late, venue selection/how to run each venue, types of language/body language to use, physical escalation, when it’s on/not on. It’s like every nuance of this phase has been considered.
- The last segment of the book delves into some special situations such as same day lays, interloping men, frame crush, fine tuning to the girl and dealing with difficult girls, again with examples of each.
There’s no questioning Krauser’s reservoir of game knowledge, and it appears he has stuffed this tome with just about everything he knows. And possibly just about everything anyone knows on the subject.
Be warned, at $100 it’s steeply priced. But it looks worth it. So if you have the loose change, CH gives a (preliminary) recommendation. If you’re one of those men who has tired of night game and the club scene (and if you’re over 25 this likely applies to you), then daygame is where your focus will naturally gravitate. Being able to meet girls in the daytime and capture their interest, is very empowering in the realist sense, not the bitter feminist sense.
A book this exhaustive should be read like one would read a textbook for a class; deliberately and diligently. Take a break from every chapter to apply what you’ve read to the field. One caveat: It’s easy to get caught up regurgitating an endless loop of PUA books while losing sight of the ultimate goal. I suspect a lot of men buy these books with the feeling that the material provides handy excuses to never approach a woman in real life. Maybe you’re one of those men who convinces himself that you’re growing as a player by reading about penetrating insights into female nature and courtship techniques? The books have their place, but don’t let them substitute for actual experience applying the lessons contained therein. You don’t need more than two or three highly regarded resources to learn what you need to know to get started seducing women the way they love to be seduced.

[…] Preview Of Krauser’s Daygame Mastery […]
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da GBFM night game: “i is gonna grinds on your asszzz in da clubs.”
da GBFM day game: “i is gonna grinds on your asszzz in da starbfuckz zllzzo.”
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da best way to inistaitzte initiatez a converstaionz is to say
“so you like applesz?”
she says, “yes…”
den youz whip out your lotsas cockasz and say
“how do you like dem apllesz?”
SCOREZ EVERY TIME THREE POINTZ SWOOOSHZ!
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lzozozoozoz da gbfm has so much game dat dey call me da Microsoft seXbox and Sony PUASTATION lzlzzozozoozzozlzzoz and da Ninentdo Wiienerz lzozozozzlozzo da GBFM make mystery look like da Sega bungmasterz zlozzlzozozlzloz cause while he’s playing losta Atari pong da biddies be sukckingz da losta GBFM dong!
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DA GREAT HEARTISTES WRITESZ:
You’ll Know You’re An Alpha Male If . . . YOUR NAME IS DA GBFM!
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/youll-know-youre-an-alpha-male-if/
You’ve ever inconspicuously texted under the table or called from the bathroom another girl while you were on a date.
DA GBFMZ HAS FOUR CELLPHONEZ SO I CAN TEXT FOUR HOTTIEZ IN DA RESTROOMZ WHEN NEED BE ZLOZOZLO
You’ve ever snuck out on a date going badly.
IF SHEZ NOT PUTTING OUTZ her BACK DOORZ IN DA TENTY MINUTES, DA GBFM SNEAKS OUT D ABACK DOORSZ LZOZOZOZOL
You’ve ever bailed on a date because you met a hotter girl in the interim.
ONE TIMEZ I WS HEAIDNG TO A DATE AND MET A HOTTOERS GIRELZ, SO I BAILEDZ, BUT DEN WALKING WTIH HER I SAW A HOTTERZ GIRLZ SO I BAILED ON HER, AND DENZ AT DA RESTAURANTZ DA WAITRESS WAS HOTTERZ SO I DONE HER IN DA BATHROOM DOGGY STLE WHILE TEXTING FOUR MORE HOTTOIES ZLZOZOZLZL.
You’ve ever walked into a first date’s apartment, made a bee-line for her bathroom, pissed on the seat, farted loudly, exited, and strolled up to her to plant a passionate kiss.
USUALYY DIS IT WHAT HAPPENS: DA GBRMZ MADE A BEE LINE FOR HER MOUTH, PISSED ON HER FACE, FARTED LOUDLY, EXITED, AND SHE STROLLED UP AND PLANETED A PASSIOATE KISS ON MY BUTT>
You’ve ever held two simultaneous relationships, one for “appearances”.
DA GBFMZ WILL HOLD AS MANY RELATIONSHAIPS AS HOTTIES WILL HOLD DA GBFMZ LOSTAS OCCKASZ, FOR APPEARANCEZ.
Your women get carried away and relent to raw dog in the heat of the moment.
ALL DA WOMENZ TRY TO STRIP OF MY CONDOMZ BUT DA GRBZM DON”T WANT NO POLICE STATE CHILD SEVRIVCEZLZOZOZL
You’ve ever brazenly lied to a woman to cover up an infidelity. And didn’t feel bad about it.
DATSZ WAS NOT MYU COCKAZ U SAW GOING INTO DA GIRLZ IN YOUR BED WHEN YOU GOTZ HOMESZ, DAT WAS SOMEONES ELESES COCKAS! PROMIZEES!
You’ve ever banged a woman while another woman’s life force was still adhered to your dick.
DIS HAPPENSZ EVERY NIGHT DAT I FORGET HANDY WIPESZ LZOZZOZOLZ
You’ve ever said “Are you fucking kidding me?” to an attractive woman.
DA GBFM SAYS “ARE YOU KIDDING? FUCK ME!” TO EVERY ATTRATCIVES OWOMENZ!
You’ve ever banged a woman in public, within view of families.
DA FAMILIES HATH BEEN SDTEOEREUETED BY DA BERNAKE CENRTAL BANEKERSZ LZZOZOLLZ
You’ve ever legitimately forgotten about a woman you started dating. Super alpha bonus points if you met her on the street and had to stare blankly for five seconds before recollecting.
SOMETIMEZ ON MY WAY OUT DA NEXT MORNINGZ I HAVE TO ASK, “DO WE KNOW EACH OTHERZ?”
You’ve ever forgotten a woman’s name up through the third date. And didn’t bother apologizing for it.
ONE TIMEZ D GBFM WANTED TO GET ENGAGEDZ, BUT DEN WHEN IT GAVE TIME TO GIVE HER DA RINGZ AT DINNERZ, DA GBFM FORGOT HER NAMEZ!
You’ve ever steadily pressed for sex beyond three half-hearted “No”s, and achieved your goal.
DA GBFM NEVER HEARD DA WORD “NO.” EXCEPT FOR “NO NO NO DON’T STOP!!!!”
You’ve ever replied more than an hour later after a girl texted, and it wasn’t a calculated maneuver. You genuinely didn’t feel like putting in the effort.
ONE TIMEZ DA GBFMZ TEXTED BACK SIX MONTHZ LATERZ AS I HAD A GOOD RUN, EVEN FOR DA GBFMZ!
Girls cum with you in every sex position.
GILRZ CUMZ ON EVEN DA GBFM THUMBZ!
You’re not the one who’s nervous.
DA GBFMZ IS SO COOL DAT MY CUM CUMZ OUT FROZEN AND METLSZ ON HER FACE LZOZOZL.
You’ve rarely had to wait past the third date for sex.
WAT IS A DATE? WAT DOES DAT WORD MEANZ? IS DAT SOMETHING OUR GREAT GRAND PARENTZ DIDZ?
You’ve ever flirted with girls when every social expectation at the time was that you shouldn’t.
IF YOUR COCK IS IN HER MOUTH, AND YOU WINK AT HERZ, IS DAT FLIRITNGZ?
You’ve ever taken a call from a girl while another girl was sleeping naked against your bare chest.
YAH! IT WAS A THREESOMEZ BUT WE1 NEEDED A FOURTHZ WHO CALLED A BIT LATEZ, SO I TOOK DA CALL WHILE EY WER ETOSISNG MYS SALADZ.
You’ve ever walked away from a long-term relationship out of boredom.
YAH ONE LONG-TERMZ RELATIONSHIP LASTED TWO DAYZ, AND DA GBFM WAS OUT OUT BORED FALLING ASLPPEZZEEPPPS DURING SEX ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ SHE WAS SO FMAILAIR FAFERT TWO DAYSZ BORGZINZG
You’ve ever had to deal with a pregnancy scare.
DA GBFM HAS A HIRED ASSISTANTZ FROM INDIA FULL TIME 1-800-SEX-GBFM HOTLINEZ FOR ALL DA PREGANT BIDDIES 2 CALLZ.
A girl has ever cried for you.
YAH DA NEIUGHRS COMPALIN EVERY NIGHT GIRLS CRY “OH GBFM! OH GBFM OH GBFM!!!” ZLZOZOLZ
You’ve dumped more often than you’ve been dumped, and when the latter happened you rarely had a dry spell longer than a month.
DA GBFM TAKES THREE DUMPBZ A DAY, AND HAS NEVER BEEN DUPMPED, SO HAYYAH YAH!!!!
You’ve ever scheduled two dates for the same night. Super alpha bonus points if both dates ended in bangs. Super alpha doubleplusalpha bonus points if both dates ended in bangs together.
MY PEROSNAL RCORD WAS FIVE DATESZ IN ONE NIGHTZ, BUT ONLY FOUR BANGS, AND ONLY THREE OF DEM WERE AT DA SAME TIME. SORYSYY I KNOW I CAN IMPROVE ON THISZ!
You’ve ever banged a girl on the first date without either of you using the disinhibition elixir of alcohol.
WAT IS THIS WORD “DATE” AGAINZ? WTF DOES IT MEANSZ? R U USING IT TO CONFUSE DA GBFM? LZZOL
You’ve ever dated a girl who was persuaded to, temporarily at least, acquiesce to your insistence on a one-way sexually open relationship.
DA GBFM’S BOXER SHORTS READ THE ULA, “BY ENTERING DIS REAL YOU AGREE TO a 5-WAY OPEN SEXUAL RELATIONSHOPZ.”
You’ve ever acquired an honest-to-god stalker. (This may be indisputable proof of alphaness.)
DA GBFMZ HAS ANOTHER PART-TIMEZ ASSIATNTZ FROM INDIA WHO FILESZ RESTATRATINIG ORDERZ RESTRAINIGING ORDERZ LZOZZLZL.
You’ve had girls approach you and solicit you for a drink, or even sex.
In all da clubsz I hearsz, “HEY GBFM, IF YOU LET ME BUY YOU A DRINK, WILL U BANGZ ME?
You’ve ever taken a girl home without needing an excuse to coax her compliance.
I DON”T TAKE EM HOMEZ< DEY FOLLOW DA GBFMZ!
You’ve ever had a girl call you an asshole not long before she succumbed to intimacy.
GIRL: YOU’RE AN ASOSLZLZLAOZGZOZLZGOZLZZLLZZOZ
GBFM: WAT? I CAN’T UNDERTSAND U WITH MY COCK IN YOUR MOUTH ZLZLOZOZ
You’ve ever had a girl spend more on you than you on her before she offered her sex.
GENERALLY WOMENZ MUST BUY DA GBFMZ COCKASZ PER HOURZ.
You’ve ever been eagerly paraded in the presence of your girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend.
DA GBFM HAS BEEN DA PRIZE POODLE IN MORE DOG SHOWZ THANZ COAKSZ A COLLEGE WOMENZ TAKES IN DA BUNZGZ ZGZLZOZO
You’ve ever had a girlfriend accuse you of cheating, even when you weren’t.
IT’S NOT CHEATING IF IM BLINDFOLDED AND CAN’T SEE WHERE MY COCKAS GOING INA ND OUT OF!
You’ve ever truly, madly, deeply loved two girls at the same time. And they loved you back.
DA GBFM LOVE TWO GIRLS, AND THEY LOVED DA GBFM SO MUCH DAT DEY LOVED EACH OTHER< EVERY NIGHTZ WHICH WA SGOODZ CAUS E DA GBFM WAS TIREDZ ON DA SEVENTH DAY, JUST LIKE DA LORDZ WHO NEVER HAD SO MANY BIDDIESZ TO DEAL WITH EXCEPT FOR MAYBE KING SOLOMONZ WHO HAD MANY MANY WIVESZ BUT NOWHERE NEAR AS MUCH AS GAME AS DA GBFM CUASE BACK DEN ALL GAME WAS “YO DA GENEIS SAY YOU MUST HONOR ME BEATCH!” BUT NOW GAME BE NON-STOP PEA COCKINZG, NEGGING, CONNIVINGZ< PLANNING, PRESENTING, CALCULATINGZ, AND MAKING SURE EVRY ACTION SEVRE HER BUTT AN DGINA TINGZLZZOOZ INSTEAD OF GODZ LZOZOZOZOZ! SOMETIMES DA GBFM TAKES A BREAK FROM GAME AND RUNS ON DA TREADMILL WHILE SOLVING QUANTUM MECHANICS PROBLEMS AS DAT IS MORE RESTFUL DAN GAMEZ LZOZOZOZOZOZOZOZOZOZO.
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DA GREAT HEARTISTES WRITESZ:
You’ll Know You’re An Alpha Male If . . . YOUR NAME IS DA GBFM!
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That was awesome, GBFM. I gather one needs to experience the ‘game’ in order to comprehend and understandzzz it’z ! lolozzZ
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I was ready to buy until I saw the price tag.
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Funny,thats what I have said several times with regard to women!
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Better to use provide for yourself than to provide for a woman.
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It’s priced adequately to the quality. Nothing better on Day-game out there. Besides – 460 pages by Krauser makes it the current Bible of Day Game.
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The most important [or maybe the second most important] aspect of Day Game will be your verbal IQ. If you can’t tie three or four words into a coherent sentence, then go back to Night Game and liquoring up your whores before you make your move.
The second most important [or maybe the single most important] aspect of Day Game is that YOU MUST NOT CARE.
You will strike out from time to time.
If so, then quickly move on. No water off your back. No big deal. Who cares?
And never forget that this Bad Ass MoFo is the Patron Saint of Day Game:
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So much of Game, I’ve found, is simply instructing men how to initiate and carry on a conversation.
Pretty basic stuff, actually.
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Then howcome you are not good at it?
Your website (from your handle) reeks of someone trying to overcompensate, and for whom the high point of a week is when a chick accidentally brushes her ass against you while walking in the opposite direction of you in a crowded passageway.
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God damn, man, how about a little fraternity of brotherhood?
Here’s something to cheer you up…
HITTING THE WALL: Al Gore’s youngest daughter Sarah, 35, gets remarried under an old pine tree in casual outdoor service in California
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610576/Al-Gores-youngest-daughter-Sarah-35-gets-remarried-old-pine-tree-casual-outdoor-service-California.html
* The former Vice President’s youngest daughter has remarried in a low-key ceremony in California
* Sarah, an artist, married Patrick Maiani, a local realtor
* Her divorced parents attended the small ceremony and only one of her three siblings
* Wore a lacy, loose off-white dress and exchanged vows under the world’s largest Torrey Pine tree
* The Sunday ceremony was decidedly less opulent than her 2007 wedding to her first husband Bill Lee at the Beverly Hills Hotel
* This time around, guests dined on vegan cupcakes and huevos rancheros
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That’s what I took away from reading the Roosh stuff. Uh, strike up a conversation? Really?
I’ve always been pretty good at striking up a conversation with just about anybody. I pick up on stuff like the way they’re dressed, the car they drive, the kind of accent they have, etc., and spring off that. I get in over my head sometimes when the other person is some super passionate expert about some topic I can barely talk about, but I do rather well.
I don’t have any problem doing this with pretty girls either, so talking to girls is no big deal. What I suck at is taking things from “elderly chat” into more of a direction that could get my hoo-hoo dilly in her cha cha.
I just totally suck at that. I’ve gotten exactly one number in over a year of this stuff. No dates, no bangs. If I don’t get laid on my upcoming vacation, I think it’s time to give up and fuck a whore.
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> “What I suck at is taking things from “elderly chat” into more of a direction that could get my hoo-hoo dilly in her cha cha.”
1) Lose weight.
2) Work out – increase the muscle mass.
3) Shave.
4) Learn to quickly guide any conversation with a female towards the sexual.
Get sex on the table quickly.
VERY EARLY ON in your relationship.
And not in a vulgar or profane manner.
In an innocent playful manner – it’s springtime, the birds and the bees are busy at it in the trees and in the fields, love is in the air – the male and the female of the species mating to produce offspring is THE NATURAL STATE OF AFFAIRS AS THE CREATOR INTENDED.
And, as above, YOU MUST NOT CARE.
If you strike out, then move on to your next target.
Because there are 3 BILLION MORE TARGETS out there on God’s Green Earth.
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PS: If, as I recall, you’re a truck driver, then, in general, you do NOT want to be messing around with effete panty waist metrosexual ivy league dickhead Game.
Go at them with really hard core masculine caveman troglodyte game.
Salt of the earth, man of the people, straight talker.
You are not a internet bazillionaire who drives a Ferrari.
You’re a troglodyte working man joe sixpack.
Who just so happens to have a serpent’s evil forked tongue which can spin all sorts of fantasies in her imagination and get her hamster to be dripping wet between its legs.
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Unter-Troglodyte Game
Bridge Troll Game
Goblin Game
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there are effective and ineffective ways to strike up conversations with women. men need help in this area, because most men from what i can see are pretty fucking bad at saying fun and interesting things with women.
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So much of Game, I’ve found, is simply instructing men how to initiate and carry on a conversation.
Pretty basic stuff, actually.
If it was that easy everyone would be good at it. There is more to it than that. Game cannot be easy, for a simple reason: All men try to pick up women, so every method will be tried by innumerable men who pick up the low-hanging fruit, making the game more difficult for those who come after.
By trying over and over again, of course, you will occasionally pick up one of the low-hanging fruits yourself. I have. A few times, in daygame, I have run into women who were DTF. But that is while trying countless times. Enough times that I know daygame as a whole is not easy, even while occasional instances are.
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Addendum: “All men try to pick up women” doesn’t mean all men do it well, or do it in the ways discussed in the manosphere. Many just do it by talking normally and smiling, hoping that will be enough. Or just by smiling.
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The honey badger (Mellivora capensis), also known as the ratel is a species of mustelid native to Africa,
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You spear chucking, black and white, sharp teef havin, loose skin wearin, snake head chewin, no job havin, sharp claw black greasy BLACK gansta killin honey eatin, blinted, slimfast drinkin sand rat,
GO THE FUCK BACK TO AFRICA
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Which can almost never be said about women.
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Maybe the $100 price tag is also a strategy to limit the spread of “free” copies. Many guys spending $100 on the book won’t be too keen on giving their buddies a free copy.
Just a thought.
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Or maybe it’s an exercise in audaciousness: You WILL pay more for my book because my advice IS worth it.
That’s what so much of [the darker aspect of] Game [and the broader sociopathy of the Phariseeical and Pagan world] boils down to – the pyschological manipulation of small-minded peoples for your own benefit.
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Promethean, I know a thing or two about publishing. If he sets the price at $100 it is for a reason. Even so he will not make many dollars from publishing. In order to make serious money out of it your book needs to be picked up by the big media corporations and promoted “as the next thing”. They’ll pick braindead stuff like Harry Potter, Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey and ignore much better novels in the same genre, and the lemmings eat it up. It’s all about which books are promoted in the New York Times and similar.
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A salesman stops by a roadside shop where where they sell native American jewelry and notices that most of the items are priced at less than $5. He inquires why the prices are so low. The shopkeepers tell him that they were having trouble selling the items, so they just lowered the price from the $10 range. The salesman suggests they raise the prices to the $50 range. The shopkeepers ask why would someone spend $50 on something they don’t think is worth $5 ?
A couple months later the salesman, traveling back thru the area decides to stop there again. The shopkeepers had eventually become exasperated by their lack of sales and tried his idea. They were selling three times more jewelry at 5 times the price.
Why ?
Because perceived value is more important than actual value.
Game tactics and sales tactics have much in common. Krauser will sale more copies of his book at $100 than he would at $10.
I don’t know much about Krauser, I don’t think he’s a huckster, though I would NOT recommend, spending any money on game related lit. because everything you need is right here on the internet for free.
So instead of giving Krauser $100 , click the donate button up top and toss CH a $20 spot once in while.
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Knowledge comes at a price.
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selling the sizzle, not the steak
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Almost pulled the trigger on Daygame Nitro the other day, glad I waited.
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Daygame Nitro can be had,er,ya might say,uhm,for very little money…
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I read Roosh’s daygame and it had some good tidbits on opening and the initial interaction but this seems like something more comprehensive (also 10 times more expensive).
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It’s much more expansive, you’ll get more than 10 times more value.
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Love to get this. Krauser always seemed like a no-BS kinda guy.
There was something about the white book from Neil Strauss’ “ROTG” that didn’t quite fire on all 8 cylinders…
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I rarely order such books since there is so much free stuff, etc. Follow Krauser’s blog and ordered it on that basis alone. It’s well worth it. Only halfway through, it’s pretty packed with lots of specific knowledge with examples of actual use with text messages.
I think it will help the most with anti-game, “choad” behavior as he calls it in regard to text game, which everyone can backslide into from time to time. His daygame model is great to take and adapt to your own specific style.
Donate some of your fapping and D&D money and buy it, I think the ROI on it is 10 fold.
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Why does he call it choad?
Indeed, it would be good to have one book that could be a “bible” of sorts. That has a unifying effect on a movement.
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regrettably, neil strauss’ “The Game” is sort of the bible of the movement. i say regrettably, because “the game” isn’t even a game book. it’s mostly a narrative.
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How do you rank the likes of Roosh, Rollo, Krauser and Vox in terms of value?
Vox is the best overall real talker and the best debater. Rollo is the best theoretist and most useful for opening minds about male female dynamics. Krauser is very good for practical PUA advice. So is more or less Roosh, but his philosophical writings and his prose are superior.
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as practical game advice goes, i need more time to work with krauser’s stuff to get a better handle on its overall usefulness, but from what i’ve read and applied so far i like it. roosh’s stuff is perhaps less technically masterful but it’s more digestible; the average man could easily mimic roosh material without coming off like a robot.
also krauser is mostly direct game, roosh indirect. if you favor one style or the other (and as another commenter mentioned, direct game becomes less feasible for men older than late 20s or for men who are much homelier than the average man), then you’ll gain more knowledge by reading about game tactics that are unfamiliar to you.
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CH
Explain “older than their late 20’s”. If your SMV rises as you age (as a man), and early/mid 40’s you have the maximum SMV (you do, I’m there, I can tell you it’s a fact) then why would direct game NOT apply to you? Serious question, because I’m as direct you get, though to be fair I’m also very attractive to the point that women approach me and are nervous around me in a sexually charged kind of way (I won’t say more on this at present, just accept that I am for now).
Wouldn’t “won’t work outside of your peak SMV or if you’re not good looking” be more appropriate?
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assuming you’re gaming early 20s girls, a ten+ year perceived age discrepancy combined with direct game can put a girl on the insta-defense. it’s a risk, maybe not a big risk, but one worth mentioning.
but as i wrote, extreme ugliness is really the main obstacle to direct game. luckily, most men aren’t that ugly, so the point only applies to a select few.
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Most women can’t directly tell your higher value from just looking at you. Men don’t NECESSARILY grow in value. Some decrease.
When going direct, the woman is forced to make an immediate decision. If you’re a middle aged man hitting on young ones, they will reject out of reflex. Then you will have to go less direct and show your value first before making it clear thaty you’re hitting on her.
It’s like those birds that don’t react to their babies getting hurt unless they hear them scream. Women have to react immediately when approached directly. They can react after you’ve charmed them when you approach indirectly.
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fyi, there is a school of thought that says abrupt, hardcore direct game can shock a girl out of her auto-reject algorithm. the sheer boldness is a huge display of male value, and will override any of her initial misgivings.
but the risk of auto-rejection is probably higher than the reward of DHV-shock.
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You won’t lean much about game from vox. Even his alpha game blog had little value. I stopped reading because of that and his need to constantly remind everyone he is smarter than everyone else around. Besides, he’s a SciFi writer.
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@CH
Thanks for clarifying.
@Ho
It depends on the context, there are no insta-rejects across the board. As some say here, it’s a matter of your frame and commanding presence, looks (I look a lot like somebody who is quite famous at a nearly “you could be twins” level), personality, and perceived value in the group that lend you “social proof”. I’m mid 40’s and very direct (pleasant enough, but direct), and I don’t see a blanket insta-reflex rejection that you speak of, as I say, I get approached first more often than not. No doubt some aging balding “creepy” fat guy or a normal 40 something guy might get a “talk to the hand” moment from a 20 something, but it’s not “all men over XYZ age = reflex-reject”.
I do think your advice on doing covert charm is relevant for the average guy looking to date way below his age limit though.
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Just got mine yesterday. I love it.
Have been sick of the drinking and needing wingmen (I know, I know) for a long time now.
My book came a bit dinged on the edges from LULU so it has lost some of its hardcover value and I would have preffered an ebook as its a lot more discreet and could have been had instantly (mine took 4 weeks to come as I went the tighta**e route) but good on Krauser for this, I appreciate it.
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I bought Shark’s ebook “The Black Flag”….it’s a great primer…I read through Blueprint Beta and is very good strategically and focuses on inner game…But DayGame Mastery is THE definitive book not only on “daygame” but on Game period.
Krause is a no-bullshit guy. But if you read and follow his blog he puts himself out there describing not only his successes but analyzes why things didn’t work.
It’s this brutal honesty that makes this book such a rare find in the world of pick up.
He wrote it because he wanted to share NOT because he runs some pick-up business.
It’s also more an instruction manual or almost a “user’s guide” to pussy. He starts with an overview of inner game, the basics and then breaks down the pick-up with clear steps and a model.
There are templates for text-game that I’ve tried and adapted and that worked for me.
There’s also a great section on handling difficult situations and girls. “The talk” is an eye-opener…one of those “You can say that!???” I’ve started using all this stuff and am seeing positive responses.
The last chapter is also a focus on inner-game and raises some very important questions about one’s own motivations for doing this.
I’ve seen people whinging about the price but the fact is there’s nothing out there that matches this in terms of detail or clarity.
Krauser doesn’t sugar coat. Pick up and game requires a specific mind-set.
Just this past couple of weeks I started “long-gaming” a very sexy tall 28 year old. I can see the subtle IOI’s, the way she responds to kino, the way the subtle push-pull sparks attraction. I can also see where I need to build comfort.
Krauser’s book has helped me in navigating through all this.
Also, I just had a Same Day Lay following this model with a 30 year old.
One of the things you get from Krauser’s blog and this book is that he enjoys the banter and interaction with these girls and knows how to read situations with a kind of cool detatchment.
I have used most of his ideas or adapted them in some way. Sure there’s a lot of “free” stuff out there but if you’re serious about self-improvement, this Manual will be an investment that will pay off.
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I’ve read “The Black Flag”. Shark is the person where I learned everything and basically how I got my ex girlfriend to become my fuck buddy. He unplugged the fuck out of me, but I’m still learning at this point and still am in the process of developing.
As update for my situation that you replied from earlier, yeah, my so called friend and my “ex” are fucking and seeing each other quite often. Your right about how she was playing me. She had me strung by the strings the whole time and I didn’t even realize it. I think I was just to sucked into the game concepts and just blind to everything else.
Lessons learned: really follow that gut feeling. (I felt as the ball was dropping since these two past months and really had to just let go)
Thanks again walawala.
I’m hoping Yareally comes back and starts doing his huge analysis again. I fucking love them!
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@ATPan
Good to hear. These things are a learning if you do change the way you act next time. I’m doing that.
In my case…just days before her birthday my ex and I went from being super close to suddenly distant. She backed off and so did I. That usually drove her nuts. But in this case something weird happened.
She texted me: “First birthday dinner”
Me: “First handcream”
She never replied which I found odd. It was playful and funny. I knew something was up.
Then on the day of her birthday she was all weird even though I’d planned a series of interesting activities and surprises.
So I asked her who she went out with earlier in the week.
She mentioned a guy who I know as 1) beta provider 2) self-styled “player” but really a big fat piece of shit with a nice car who hits on everyone.
I was truly outraged. I asked what was going on… “He’s just a friend”.
I knew she was “triangulating”. I asked if she told him about us…”He never asked”.
Anyway…I can’t say they were together but can’t say for sure they were just “friends”…but her denials were weird; “We were friends”.
Anyway…a few weeks ago—up to 3 months of no contact—this dude waddles into our weekly party. Normally I ignore or avoid looking at her but I had to just to see what was up.
He waddled over to her. She was all smiley…but something was “off”. They didn’t dance. They chatted for a bit. He stayed and danced with other girls including one of her friends. Then he left.
Was he tooled as well? Or were they just keeping things under wraps in public? I think he was either truly just a “friend” or being tooled.
Either way…why would I want to be with a 35 year old who acts like that when there are younger cuter ones who are just as keen to meet with me?
Now with the girls I game I am much more discerning of weirdness. At the first signs of extreme neediness or games I pull back.
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Day game is more of a challenge than night game… So, respect.
On the other hand, just get them to a place where you can feel them up hard. They will open up like a flower.
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Sounds interesting. Does it include a bibliography? And was it peer-reviewed?
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Comments in a Chateau blog post reviewing a day game book, asks if book is peer reviewed un-ironically.
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Misses obvious joke about the book being a text book.
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That should be, un-sarcastically. Don’t promote the sloppy language from today’s school environment. People say “irony” when they mean sarcasm because sarcasm has too many consonants colliding. (And because teachers are unable to define irony and sarcasm.) Same reason they say “accent” when they mean “dialect” – too many syllables, and “ct” is more difficult to say than “cs”. And “last night” when they mean “last evening”, because they are too lazy to say two syllables. People are a lazy bunch. But let’s shape things up a little.
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I bought his daygame nitro a while back and that book is great. I think 100$ is worth what he has in knowledge.
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Some of Krauser’s political attitudes (libertarianism, hostility toward Islam, probably neoconism on foreign policy) harm his credibility as to women, in my opinion.
If his attitudes toward those things are unhealthy or wrongheaded, maybe his perspective on females and reproduction is, too
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Krauser’s political attitudes are what make his writings so compelling.
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Or maybe being a socialist that fantasizes about your sister gobbling down Muslim cocks makes your perspective on women just as foolish as your political beliefs.
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bbMc
Big Black Muslim Cock
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Maybe you are really a closeted homosexual who fantasize about getting raped by his father. Who knows?
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Being anti-immigration does not a neocon make. In fact, “neoconservatism” promotes mass immigration in the West and opposes European anti-immigrant parties. Not just passively but actively. While promoting racialism for the Tribe in Israel, of course. One standard for them, another for the rest of us.
On the other hand, buying into the line that “Islam tries to take over Europe through immigration, so therefore we should support the attacks on Israel’s enemies”, that’s neoconnism.
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Is Krauser clearly and explicitly anti-immigration?
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Maybe pick-up isn’t a good hobby for you. Try figure skating.
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Neoconism isn’t my cup of tea. I’m strongly in favor of border control. And I don’t hate on Muslims. His animosity is both incoherent and counterproductive. Muslims could be our allies. You and they share a number of values relating to traditionalism, family, women.
Libertarianism is a waste.
What comes across most clearly in Krauser’s political writings is the gratuitous animosity toward Muslims qua Muslims, not so much toward immigrants. He seems to be a “War on Terror” guy. Moreover, I haven’t read him voice a single nationalist thought.
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Not sure how someone who “used to post up documentary XXX videos of the girls he was banging” is a guy who “keeps it on the level.”
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he blurred the super graphic part and took them down after about 12 hours. I haven’t seen any in awhile – I think it was to separate himself from the talkers. We got a whole lot of talkers around.
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At first I was pissed because he didn’t have a Kindle version but read on….
I’ve got a couple of Masters degrees from a first tier U.S. University, I’ve read so much stuff on manosphere and PUA I feel like I oughta have a Masters degree in that too. In no book I’ve ever had have I ever highlighted 75% or so of the entire book like I did with this one. I often just draw a line down the margin of the entire page because when I refer back to the ‘important parts’ I don’t want to miss it. I don’t think my Kindle even lets me highlight that much. There was a significant input/contribution in the book by Tom Torero, an Oxford Educated Daygamer PUA with comparable talents to Krauser and John Matrix = top tier guys all of them in terms of intellect and PUA ability. There aren’t many contributors on this level: CH, Krauser, Roosh, Torrero, RolloTomassi come to mind, and this is a concentrated masterwork.
I’m about 80% through it and Krauser covers a lot about internal mindsets so although it was designed to be a practical manual (the likes of which you’ve never seen before) it will help in that way as well. Do you wanna know how straight these guys are in terms of their authenticity and fearlessness in terms of telling you the straight truth about pickup ? (Beyond the xxx videos – soon deleted after posting – of his lays?) THEY (KRAUSER & TORERO) posted their 2013 year end stats. Look it up on his blog. If you’re too lazy I’ll distill it for you: Each lay takes about 30 approaches. That means they for each 100 girls they got laid between 2.5-2.9 times on average. Which of the PUA’s blowing smoke up your ass will tell you that difficult yet in a way liberating truth ? Which ones will post about their failures and the relentlessness it really takes?
This book is not for everyone so it’s only natural that it not be a big seller – most will say they want to get laid but they will not go out and approach as is needed during the day and they will not take the time to go through this book and combine the two to develop the know how of which this book is a big shortcut. The curious shouldn’t get the book: the doers should though.
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That conversion rate is pretty dismal. I know CH places more value on words than looks, but I’m pretty sure he’d have higher numbers if his physical appearance was more ideal.
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and he’d have fewer numbers if his game wasn’t good. your point?
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Krauser is a 38 year old guy who bangs very hot girls close to 20 years younger than him, I doubt he is thinking of his conversion rate when he has tight slavic pussy on its back.
Then again if he was worried about what autistics online thought of his conversion rate, he could always go after menopausal women.
Any apparent lack in his “conversion rate” is a selling point to anyone younger or better looking than him. Use his game and you’ll do even better than him. Even better than 20 new 20somethings in a year. So go and do likewise, gentleman. Coffee is for closers only, etc.
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conversion rate is only meaningful if it can be cross-referenced to the pre-game conversion rate. let’s say game-savvy krauser pulls 5 lays out of 100 approaches, a 5% conversion rate. sounds not great on paper, but what was pre-game krauser pulling? if it was one lay out of 100 approaches (and “approach” is loosely defined to mean any meeting with a girl in which one-way or two-way romantic interest is a possibility), then that 1% conversion rate is significantly worse than the 5% rate over the course of a lifetime. 1,000 approaches with game is 50 different women in bed, compared to a non-game total of 10 women in bed. nothing to sneeze at.
and this isn’t even getting into quality issues. game-savvy krauser, like most men who get better with women, will probably hit on hotter chicks, which makes his improved 5% conversion rate that much more impressive once you account for difficulty of target.
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Cold approach is the most difficult way to get laid tho. Like, if you’re smashing 1/30 cute girls you met as strangers….that’s pretty great. Translate that skill set to shit like social gatherings, parties, etc. etc.
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Is it really necessary to call it “smashing”? What is the point of that?
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Every single term for it besides either “coitus” or “sex” is one type of slang or another. What’s your pet term?
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I highly recommend:
Pitch Anything by Oren Klaff. (you can find it for free on a torrent site)
It’s a sales book and the applications to game are mind-blowing, and this is coming from a salesman. Anyone who’s in sales and games women will know the parallels but this book really explains why game works.
The first two chapters are so fucking gold! Especially the “Frame Control” chapter which if you read carefully, explains why a strong frame in game is the golden ticket to success.
This book, when read from a gaming perspective, makes you realize that a lot of the tactics and routines are only made to establish your frame, a la fake it till you make it. But here’s the thing, you don’t need a majority of them.
Oren states that when you deliver a pitch (opener) you must first get past the “crocodile brain” aka reptilian brain and work your way up to the neo cortex (the more modern, sophisticated brain). Problem is, a lot of guys focus on the neo cortex of game and wonder why stuff just doesn’t stick the way it’s allegedly suppose to. The reason is, you’re trying to appease her neo cortex with routines, negs and tactics but you’re not pleasing her reptilian brain which is a must in order for everything else to happen.This explains why most good looking guys can still get laid even when their game is weak-sauce.
It’s because his looks have already captured her crocodile brain’s attention and all he has to do is work his way up to the neo cortex by establishing some trust and comfort to get the bang.
Now, average and ugly guys still do this effectively but it isn’t the routines or the tactics. It’s the frame that he has garnered through repeated exposure and experience. Every practitioner of the arts needs to have this book. Forget all the modern regurgitated PUA shit for a moment and read some fundamentals.
You’ll be glad you did.
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Thanks for heads up, Jordan. I will check it out.
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“Own the frame win the game”
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If you don’t want to spend the 100 dollars, just read Krauser’s lay reports and reverse engineer what he does. Its not hard in outline. I have been reading one lay report a day for 2 months and taking notes. I see commonalities and a very easily reproducible pattern. Its all there in the lay reports which are free. He even has some of his approaches on video.
If you have seen one day game video you have seen them all. Really, when you see these street approaches you see that what matters is the fundamentals: body language, voice tone, subliminals, slow movements, rock solid confidence, pregnant pauses, etc. It matters very little what you actually say as long as you say it sexy and confident. Chris from GoodLookingLoser has tons of videos of number closes AND same day lays from day game and he uses no PUA tactics. He just talks with confidence and physically escalates.
This shit is not hard in theory. It is hard, very hard, in practice because you have to overcome approach anxiety. Once you do that, day game is actually quite soothing. If I don’t approach 15 girls a week minimum I feel depressed. When you get to the point that you can’t wait to get up the next day so you can day game after work, the lays come frequently.
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True. I only read manosphere and pua material for shits and giggles. I don’t think about any of the theories or routines when I’m talking to a girl in real life.
“If I don’t approach 15 girls a week minimum I feel depressed”
That’s (Ya)really motivating. I started lifting weights a few months ago and I feel the same way when I miss a training day.
Gotta add sarging to my list of healthy addictions.
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You should. If you start doing all the external shit without putting yourself in the field and forcing yourself to deal with your internals, you’re gonna have a bad time.
The muscles, the tattoos, the eventual bike, mohawk, whatever….all of that is similar to peacocking. So when you display it, people are going to test you to see if you’re the real deal. If all you did was build that stuff up without handling the internals, you’re not going to be much better off.
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$100? There’s a sucker born every minute. And anyone who posts videos of himself himself having sex with women (did they give permission?) is a sick fuck.
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Well… I just read a free ‘openers’ document from Stylelife Academy, that’s trying to entice you into their recurring $86 monthly program. Here is what this document, that Style has put his name to, is teaching: “read Hello magazine, the national Enquirer and Cosmo, so you always have some celebrity gossip to talk about. Read up on fashion and open with “hey, that’s a nice belt!”, and then say “I’ve a sister, so I notice these things”. Try opening with “what would you do if… a load of terrorists with guns came into theis club right now/there was an earthquake right now/etc?” Open with “hey, that’s an awesome tat. Is that {x}’s work? (be sure to have researched who the hottest tattoo artists in the area are so you come across as knowledgeable)”. “You’re like my little sister – cute and annoying/adorable”.
From what I can see, this guy is coasting off the success of his famous novel. He lampoons Ross Jeffreys and Tyler Durden in it, but those guys seem to have much more integrity in the long run. RSD just put up a load of videos for free on youtube. Not saying I’ll pay it, but I’d rather be suckered into paying $100 for a “peer-reviewed” book that teaches you social skills without compromising your manhood, than joining a gossip-girl column. It’ll be interesting to read what the Style defenders have to say, but as I said, those tips above are what he’s put his name to.
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Agreed.
Always stringing people along, that Neil Strauss.
(though I don’t believe I’m entitled to his work or time for free, either.)
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There was no mention of feeling entitled to his, or RSD’s, work, for free. PUA marketing strategies include offering a certain amount of free e-books, or videos, with the goal of enticing customers. Anyone who puts themselves in the public eye also gains a lot of fame which further bolsters their income. As a result of various PUA’s fame and marketing strategies, I have bought some products (including Stlyle’s) in the past.
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i know right! the world really should be how you need it to be Bob!
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Bob needs a hug.
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Not many men truly understand the principles behind successfully seducing women in broad daylight. Even fewer have the balls and single-mindedness to act upon and master those principles. And Fewer still, have the wit and literary ability to transfer those principles to paper. Krauser is such a man and we are all better off for that.
So stop griping about the 100 buck for his book, its a bargain. Shit, I’d pay 10k to be able to hand it to my 18 year old self.
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Is it bound in gold-threaded leather? Are the pages made of resume paper?
$100 is too much. At 460 pages, even if hardcover, $50 is plenty.
Anyway, I suspect the price will drop over time, when volume is less than Krauser would like. I am sure the book is good, and will sell in volume at $50 or so…
Instead, Krauser should have made a documentary/instructional video set, which is far more effective at teaching game than written prose. He might have raised $200,000 on Kickstarter for it.
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I understand the sales theory he’s working on here, but ultimately you’re right. He’ll catch the guys who believe that higher price always means higher quality, and then settle down into the more comfortable volume generating price in short order. It’s not a bad tactic really, and it does work. I find it funny to watch in action, but I don’t begrudge any producer for doing it.
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Can’t believe the griping about 100 stinking bucks.
If you two rockafellas knew anything about this guy you’d know that unlike most pua book pushers out there, he did not get into this for the money. Hell, he’s been sharing his insights and knowledge free of charge for years. fact is, he wouldn’t have even written this book if it wasn’t for the guys that follow his blog, begging and badgering him to do so.
You’d also know that when he does something, he doesn’t do it by half. If you read his book you’d realise that a lot of effort has gone into getting it just right. He’s got every right to reflect that effort in the price. If you guys are too broke/mean to fork out for it, fair enough don’t buy it – but ffs spare us the sales theory shit.
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“The books have their place, but don’t let them substitute for actual experience applying the lessons contained therein.”
A general guideline I like is 2-3 hours in the field for every hour of study. A lot of guys spend their first year or two “in the game” just reading shit online and don’t even go out and approach. That’s insane to me and it stems from a fear of failure (“if I learn everything first then when I go out I won’t have to get rejected because I’ll do the perfect approach on my first try!”). Part of why I got good is that I literally found the community on like a Monday and I was out that very Friday excited to try it out even if I bombed.
I’d like to read the book just to see if I should recommend it as a resource for newbies looking for Daygame advice. Like I’ve said, the only reason I link so many RSD videos is that they have a million videos on a million topics up with rock-solid content in them…I don’t really care who’s teaching the content if it’s quality. I’ve been gaming long enough that I don’t imagine there’s anything in this book that would actually be new to me but I’m all about linking resources to people who would be helped by them.
For anyone who has the book I have two main questions:
1) does it cover indirect opening/game, or is it all “hey, you’re adorable I had to stop you and say hi” direct? I’m not saying either method is better than the other, just curious what’s covered in terms of a full education ’cause I think guys should be able to run both styles and calibrate which one to use based on the situation (sometimes direct will trigger obstacles that indirect wouldn’t have).
2) are there Field/Lay Reports that go into more technical depth than on his blog? I skimmed some Krauser LRs and they seem very flowery “I open. My vibe is good, there’s eye sparkle. After five minutes I take a number.” stuff that makes a fun/inspiring story but isn’t very useful for newbies hitting the field needing some guidance on “I don’t get it!! wtf is eye sparkle?? How did you get her to eye sparkle?? You had a good vibe?? wtf does that mean?? I think I had eye sparkle but I didn’t know how to get the number wtf did you say to get the number??” I like that there are in-depth text conversations since that’s a necessary skill these days, but does he go that deep with the rest of the interaction?
Props to anyone who drops the dough and puts up a review…if it’s a solid resource then I hope it sells thru the roof and a bunch of dudes give Daygame a go. Competing in chaotic bar environments is good training, but Daygame has infinitely less bullshit to deal with in terms of getting actual results lol
I’ll most likely check it out when there’s a cheaper digital version down the road, I’m not feelin’ $100 and a hardcover physical copy laying around my apartment.
On that note, a girl I was banging had a copy of The Game on her bookshelf which I found all sorts of entertaining. I considered telling her I was a PUA but didn’t want to ruin the magic because my game is pretty natural these days so I don’t think she could tell. It was super trippy when I recognized it tho lol
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@YaReally The book covers each step in the process. But what I think is excellent from a tactical/learning point of view is the “Special Situations” section.
Here’s where he talks in depth about how to deal with different types of hard cases.
He refers to these girls who are generally up for it but always flaking as “silly buggers” and gives insights into how to bang them.
I’ve started adapting the ideas to my own situations. That whole section on “Long game” is cool.
I think a lot of his ideas on “DayGame” can be adapted to many other situations of meeting women.
I used the openers and approach at cocktails. Again, calibration is key but the way you stand, the approach, the structures are all useful.
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Hey,
1) Openers are actually covered better than anywhere else, it was one of my (many) favourite parts.
The Open is a separate chapter of 18 stuffed pages. There are about 8 subchapters on each type of opener with further info and examples. There is classic one, forced IOI, suspicious behaviour, observed incongruence, burning question, opportunistic contact, queues, ambushes…
The whole book is very practical, sure, underlying principles are always explained, but the main focus is “So what do I ACTUALLY do and say?”
2) I haven’t finished the entire book, it is too dense to be a quick read, but again, every verbal/physical escalation is explained step by step.
It is simply a deconstructed model. You find the chapter on Venue One, read the diagrams with key info, or the whole detailed chapter with mindsets, actions, girl types and adequate reactions, common traps/mistakes…you feel like Krauser knows exactly what you did wrong already, at least for me that was the case. There are no “lay reports”, the structure is very different from blogposts, remember, this is a textbook. But there is detailed bedroom escalation model.
I like Krauser’s blog, it is my favourite, but the book is much deeper. You could never get this info from a blog, maybe some bits here and there, but…it is much deeper than Nitro, Torero’s Daygame book, anything. What makes this even more valuable is that Tom Torero worked on it with Jon Matrix, these three are top3 London Dagamers. You could say Jabba is up there, but his model is on some levels different. That said, even his knowledge is included and Krauser gives him some credit at the end. Actually, the credits include: Torero, Antony, Jambone, Matrix, Jabba, Yad, Yosha, Tomassi, Heartiste, Bodisatta, Assanova, Sixty Years Of Challenge, Burto, Skeletor, Suave.
If I had to pint out any flaws, it would be some typing errors in the very first editions (I ordered through secret twitter release), although these were already removed so when you order now it should be excellent. Don’t get me wrong, the graphics are beautiful already, there were just some words connected together etc. I would also love if smaller edition (good quality, though, no lulu paperback please) existed. This is top quality but BIG. Like Physiology textook, literally.
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Also, check out the reivews on lulu page:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/nick-krauser/daygame-mastery/hardcover/product-21441037.html
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In answer to your first question, Krauser currently practices direct daygame.
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I would say it’s not for beginners, you need to have done some approaches to understand what he talks about. It’s worth it though and I’ve put a review up on our blog. He goes into much more detail than on his blog in the book. There’s 460 pages of important information without the ‘flowery’ stuff as you call it. You can tell he’s put a lot into it.
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Btw, there are 18 pages solely on The Open, it includes detailed explanations of 8 opener-situations like queues, forced IOI, suspicious behaviour…so yes, it is more detailed on openers than anything else without being redundant.
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Thanks for the feedback, all. I’ll definitely check it out down the road if it ever ends up in a digital format. I love Mystery Method, it’s all rock-solid psychology, but I’m all for an updated resource that looks at modern obstacles like txting and shit. Best of luck to Krauser!
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…his opener is great…“Hi. You speak good English? Great, I just wanna tell you something really quick. I was just walking past you with my friend… that’s my friend there [wave at Jambone]… when I saw you and I thought.. you look quite nice. So I wanted to say hello.”
…..”quite nice” or a big neg…”you are cute in a weird way”…
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@CH: you say “Also, for you “only looks matter” trolls, Krauser is not a Clooney clone. So you can rest easy that his lays are earned by the nimbleness of his tongue than by the twinkle of his bedroom eyes.” I’ve observed that you can game girls into short term or one night stands….But the pretty boys are the guys that girls chase in the long run for kids etc….am i wrong…
Additionally,
I love your blog and agree with everything on it for the most part. The problem that I’m having as I read and learn is that everything seems to revolve around this fake feeling–or maybe sociopathic way of thinking and doing. As in be a sociopath and it will attract girls. Which I agree with for the most part. But, this is not a deep level of satisfaction when you are interested in developing love with a girl. I just don’t see that route being very fulfilling.
But, is this maybe the reality of it? Should you treat the girl you love with all your heart in sociopathic ways and learned/artificial gaming techniques? I’m struggling with this b/c I can’t tell if it’s an ugly truth and the reality proves you need to do this to keep the most beautiful women in love? or if it is in fact the wrong route b/c you will never be fulfilled and satisfied and ultimately experience the best part of life.
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It’s an ugly truth. It took me a long time to come to grips with it but when you do your life will be infinitely better.
You may think you have a really “deep” relationship with a woman but she will dump you as quick as that after 3 years or so (evolutionarily the child-rearing period) if you get comfy and let your SMV slip.
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Will, you have to continue with a level of dominance in a LTR, and you cannot let yourself fall out of shape or into the nice comfy beta role. You just can’t. If you want the relationship to last, you have to stay tight. This doesn’t mean memorized lines and “XYZ Game!” scripts, it means maintaining your value, your masculinity and never letting her have the upper hand in the relationship. Think of the real life Sean Connery, the man keeps his woman thoroughly dominated (he actually open hand slaps her on occasion(!)), the media tried to attack him for it and it only made women want him more. His wife, despite the huge reams of law that would let her rape him in a divorce, couldn’t be pried off of his side short of deploying tactical nukes on her.
You don’t have to be sociopathic per se in a LTR, but you can’t turn into Mr. Wussbags either.
BTW, you sound like you’ll develop Oneitis the moment you find a girl you want to “love with all your heart” and because you apparently believe that it takes a woman to be fulfilled. Just a warning on what I’m seeing here, don’t.
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Will, you have to continue with a level of dominance in a LTR, and you cannot let yourself fall out of shape or into the nice comfy beta role. You just can’t. If you want the relationship to last, you have to stay tight.
This is very true, for both sexes. You should never “let go” in a relationship. Always try to think of activities to do together, because women need that, and always eat right and stay in shape, because otherwise the relationship gets much less fun for both parties. You only have one life.
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Dave from Hawaii.
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@Ronin
“Dave from Hawaii.”
What is that supposed to mean, I don’t get the reference?
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why oh why are you interested in developing “love” with a girl?
your internals are fucked up dude. looking for the unconditional parent type love that the greeks called storge from a mate is the death knell.
truth be told, women are a huge pain in the ass and a massive responsibility because you are constantly working at keeping the shark adequately emotionally engaged so it doesn’t bite you in half.
to get what you want, you must first decode seriously WHAT you want, whats best for Will. guarananfucking tee that whatever little cricket you meet is doing just that.
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What is sociopathic about being personally in order? Game is mostly about self-control and freeing yourself from outcome dependence. Was Hector a sociopath? Odysseus? Beowulf? Or if you want to fast-forward….Captain Kirk, Han Solo?
And where does this ‘deep level of satisfaction’ come from? A lot of recovering betas, afcs, whatever are looking to dump all of their bullshit on a girl. They say ‘I want to be open with my partner.’ Then they wonder why the attraction fades.
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*applauds* I’ve never seen the ‘nice guy’ syndrome summed up more aptly or more succinctly. Its like these boys are running around just barely holding up their own spines until they can find a surrogate mother to collapse against in relief.
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while this is probably true for some niceguys, most niceguys aren’t looking to dump their frustrations on girls. most niceguys are just as advertised: nice guys who go out of their way to do things for girls in the hopes that romance will blossom.
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It’s because the modern era is full of stupid movies and media that talk about how men need to ‘open up,’ or whatever. My balls they do. What is a woman going to help you with? You’re just going to cry like a bitch and she’ll know then that you are, in fact, a bitch. It’s almost a shit test.
That’s why the metaphor of you being the sun and her being the flower is good. Flowers wither, bloom, sway in the breeze, etc. etc. The sun just fucking shines.
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you are wrong…girls chase ‘tingles’ (alpha)… this could just be confirmation bias in play…
it’s not a fake feeling. it’s the real deal. that’s what being “alpha” feels like…
you don’t get to be “best friends” with your women (notice plural…mindset is important…). if you want a friend, get a buddy or a dog or a woman (notice singular) that you don’t want to sex up… (notice the “you” in that idea – if you’re doing it right, she will want to…really, if you’re doing it right, almost every woman you interact with will want to on some level…)
essentially, you don’t get the luxury of being the ‘dependent’ partner, you have to be the boss – ‘with great privilege comes great responsibility’…you make the decisions/choices for you… and her… (or be beta…)
you’re just having trouble choking down that bitter red pill. it’s disillusioning…really it is, from a blue pill perspective…but from a red pill perspective, it’s just the opposite…
but you need to understand that the blue pill narrative (feminine imperative) is not your friend, nor the friend of civilization… that “sociopathic” label you are putting on red pill behavior/mindset is a conditioned response…same with your “deep level of satisfaction” idea…men and women can’t be “best friends” (see above) at least not in a way that you are talking about…it’s biologically impossible for a woman to be attracted to her “equal.”
keep reading, but start practicing in the real world, too. try something and see what happens…try it again and observe again…rinse and repeat. keep asking questions when you get stuck, the advice around here is usually pretty solid…
good luck.
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But the pretty boys are the guys that girls chase in the long run for kids etc….am i wrong…
you are wrong. the same charming badboys women love for short-term flings they also desire for long-term commitments.
I love your blog and agree with everything on it for the most part.
incoming concern troll in 1…2…3…
The problem that I’m having as I read and learn is that everything seems to revolve around this fake feeling–or maybe sociopathic way of thinking and doing.
we have impact!
But, this is not a deep level of satisfaction when you are interested in developing love with a girl. I just don’t see that route being very fulfilling.
you won’t be feeling any love with a girl if you don’t first turn on her tingle light.
Should you treat the girl you love with all your heart in sociopathic ways and learned/artificial gaming techniques?
false premise.
or if it is in fact the wrong route b/c you will never be fulfilled and satisfied and ultimately experience the best part of life.
hi maya.
ps you’re gonna have to get up earlier in the morning to fool a stone cold mindreader like CH.
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@CH I’m not “maya”. I honestly realize posting off-topic emo rants is annoying to the movement of this blog, but I can’t help it b/c I’ve learned/been enlightened a lot by your posts –I’m just trying to make sense of it all.
I’m relatively young and haven’t had to learn ‘game’ or knew anything about all of the stuff on this blog simply b/c I never really had to until a couple years ago. My work ethic naturally put me in somewhat high status areas but a recent (and first) break up set me back a bit and was somewhat traumatic.
I guess my thing is this: Game will help you get girls and it will help the health of your relationships; however, game still doesn’t give you control over every single high smv girl you fuck…as in you can influence your girl(s) but you will never be in control of her. What i’m saying is I feel like game can only go so far.
Maybe I’m wrong or somewhat right. idk.
Once I’ve consistently fucked a girl, is it my responsibility to carry the relationship and keep it healthy (i.e. her chasing me or seeing me as the prize etc.) assuming i want an LTR. Or will she make this easier than anything and it’ll feel like putting on a really comfortable pair of shoes.
The thing is high smv girls don’t have to do that…this is where I get confused. It could be a mix of both but high smv girls have the gates…
I used a saying from an older relative i know who’s been married 30 yrs with a high smv wife and he isn’t good looking. “the relationship will feel like putting on a comfortable pair of shoes”. idk kinda cheesy maybe he met his soul-mate.
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@Will, I think you’re still being influenced by the externals and believing that what you see is all there is.
You see some hot girl going out with some beta chode who throws her Kleenexes away when she’s finished with them and figure..wow…I should be a nice guy and I’ll get pussy like that.
But things aren’t often what they appear. Guys like that get eaten for dinner by women just for being “nice”.
Unfortunately the sexual market place is ruthless and you have to put aside your ego at times and face rejection. But if you approach enough and adopt “game” it stops feeling fake.
Game is just like learning another language. At first it feels weird saying these sounds that didn’t make sense. Then suddenly you start having conversations with people and you’re heard and then you practice it and you become fluent.
A lot of the feelings guys have that this is “wrong” come from a place of codendence—you’re looking for external validation and when you neg a girl, or act like a jerk and she balks then you feel it’s odd.
It felt like that to me..then as I got better at it, I get girls to do all sorts of things sexually and otherwise for me.
They love it. The ones who don’t—I no longer bother with—why would I want someone in my life who isn’t looking up to me?
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@Will
The point is that every girl has dozens of guys messaging her on facebook, on tinder, on SMS, in real life, all validating her, stroking her ego, and she can pick from any of them.
The reality is that you have three options:
(1) Date a really ugly girl who you have to settle for.
(2) Win the genetic lottery and be in the top 10% of male attractiveness
(3) Be determined
If you work hard and work consistently, you will find a girl. Do you think “that girl” (the one of your dreams) wants the kind of person that won’t take charge of his life and go after what he wants? No, she wants a man who is adaptable, who has initiative, and motivation.
Who cares if it is all natural? Natural is just a word…guns, medicine, the combustion engine…none of it is natural. You can evolve.
You don’t have to be a manwhore…apply the principles of game to a qt3.14 at your church…and if it makes her happy and you happy, you both win. It’s the same as girls wearing makeup.
As for it being fulfilling…would you be more fulfilled alone in 40 years with no grandchildren? Or that you “manned up” and went out to the bar/church/wherever girls are and talked to them.
If you look at the common theme, 90% of game is simply showing up and saying “Hi”. There’s very little sociopathic about that at all.
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Krauser’s method is the “London Daygame method” which was originated by Yad who then taught it to a number of dudes: Torrero, Matrix, and a host of others. All the practitioners of this style have their own flair but its all real similar. These are primarily for street opens, which in London can be every 5 minutes. You open with a low investment compliment “Hi, may I tell you something really quickly, but you literally just walked past me and I had to tell you that I think you look really nice.” After that you go into assumptions. “I thought you were going to be Scottish but now I see you look really Russian. Its you’re colorful scarf, you’re crazy heels and that nice leather jacket, etc etc etc.” Then these guys will either challenge or go into assumption stories or discussions of travel, work etc. But the goal is to get the girl talking more than 50% by the end of the ten minutes where you will either instant date or number close: “well, I wanted to meet and now that I have I think you are interesting. I’d like to invite you out.”
Its really simple. The trick is in making the cold reads that are relevant to the girls. London is a very cosmopolitan city so these London PUAs are constantly approaching girls from dozens of different countries, especially in EE or Russia. So they tailor their assumption stacks to that. But I’ve seen Yad use this same thing all over the world. Its basically Open with compliment –> assumption stack –> challenge, tease, flirt —> comfort —> close . Its a solid blueprint. Torrero is the softest and nicest of the group, he’s the disarming British gentleman. Krauser is something of the wiseass (he uses imbedded negs and he teases more), Matrix is low keyed and challenges and gets the girls to talk way more than he does. His style is the most effective. He’s the most disciplined, even on dates. He uses the law of least effort the best. But they are all good at this system.
There’s another London day gamer Steve Jaba who is perhaps the best because he is the handsomest. But his style is less structured and more sexual and more free form.
But all these Brits have imo innovated in the art of day game. They’ve taken Juggler’s old system (i.e. Wayne Elise) and they’ve adapted it to direct street game. As for indirect, I gather that the London boys don’t use it as frequently as they do direct. In their videos you see them using direct in coffee shops and clothing stores, etc. The direct method is good for guys 35 and under. Krauser himself is pushing it at his age. But direct day game becomes harder the older you get in relation to the girl. Lovesystems PUA instructor Jeff Bullet who is 50 recommends indirect / direct for guys whose perceived age is over 10 years of the girl’s age. I think that’s a good strategy. But as a whole the London Daygame BluePrint is a good system.
I debate with myself if it is better than Paul Janka’s 3 minute and under mass number system. But maybe it is six of one and half a dozen of another. If guys want to get into this I recommend ‘The Daygame Blueprint” and “The Girlfriend Sequence”. They are two good products from London Daygame . com. I have not read Krauser’s Book but I have read Torrero’s which was one of the best game books I have ever read. It was better than Strauss’s “The Game”.
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HB8: You make me feel (tons of flowery lovey emoji shit)
Me: You make me feel 8=================D
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Seems solid funny response to them telling you how they are all up your butt or whatever.
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If you want to stop accumulating useless bits of “knowledge” and just do it, there is no better choice than this book. Several levels better than other good materials, superbly organised, and complete. It is the art of perfect game that for observers looks like normal conversation of normal people. Or normal seduction of two people of high value. Honestly, other guides will look and feel like crap after you read this monster. This is practical textbook, which is extremely valuable. 10/10
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[…] Krauser is one of a small handful of pickup artists (old skool translation: womanizers) CH respects who are legitimate voices in a wilderness of heavy-handed marketing and shyster phonies. […]
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Thanks for the mention, and subsequent discussion. Much appreciated! I just sent you a mail to crimsonarts addy. Not sure if it survived your spam filter….
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Thanks to you PUAs who have helped us non-naturals unlock what was inside of us the whole time. I gave CH a donation recently in recognition of the life changing work he’s done, and I will have to look at your blog and maybe just get the book if everyone says it’s so good. Btw, I’ve banged 11 different chicks in the past 7 weeks…my best streak ever. The best part of my game is kino/escalation/closing. The part I need to work on is approaching, comfort building, and not getting upset when a girl or guys slights me or someone steals the attention in the group. Thanks for everything you, CH and others do, and please keep up the good work.
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..donate your efforts to the game..money will always make it’s way to greatness….
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..why don’t you comment more on here now that you get free plugs….and I’m not referencing your baldness…
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OT but important: SCOTUS lets Michigan’s affirmative action ban in school admissions stand. Female SCOTUS memberettes shriek in horror, but tough for them.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/22/supreme-court-upholds-mich-affirmative-action-ban/
This means that voters in every state could pass such a ban by referendum and give the non-dark races a fairer chance at school admission. Quality of US college graduates will go up.
Maybe in enough years we can assume that a college graduate is a college graduate and stop discounting for “affirmative action” dark people. Give those who really do achieve the chance to show their ability.
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Maybe in enough years we can assume that a college graduate is a college graduate and stop discounting for “affirmative action” dark people. Give those who really do achieve the chance to show their ability.
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The system of racism white supremacy is “affirmative action” for white people. It is the reason todays white people are a weaker, stupider and all around less able than yesterdays white people.
Just being a white person gets you all kinds of unearned benefits which means you never develop your abilities; you see it in all the gameless white wonders but it is really occurring in all areas of white activity.
The average white person is NOT smart and cannot function effectively without a system of racism white supremacy to leach off.
Even the white people who do not and cannot PRACTICE racism still benefit from the white people who do.
Exhibit A: White babies.
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Must suck to perceive yourself a victim all the damned time. Has to be exhausting.
Go live in Zimbabwe for a few years to get some perspective, then come back here and tell us how you’re so oppressed.
Christ, the entitlement and victim complex is huge with minorities. Almost as bad as with women.
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You are the one whining about “affirmative action”?
For christs sake, you are a white man and all you do is bitch and moan about women, blacks, minorities….
If you are a white man and you can’t get laid you should hang yourself from the nearest tree.
I’ll supply the rope for free.
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“all you do is bitch and moan about women, blacks, minorities….”
And all Blacks/Indians/Latinos do in PUA forums is bitch and moan about racist White women. I see new threads about that every single week, all year round. I’ll supply the rope for you, I know you can’t afford it yourself.
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Where did I mention affirmative action, skippy? My comments were in response to yours and your pussy ass whining and your tiresome constant need to cast yourself as a poor poor oppressed victim. My advice, grow the fuck up, go live in some places where your kind have traditionally lived for a few years (take your pick of sub-Saharan Africa), experience real hardship to tighten your pathetic effeminate candy ass up, then come back here and kiss the mother fucking ground and thank God above that you were so lucky as to be born in this “oppressing” nation. Grow up, faggot. In short, it was not a random flinging of the fist into the air and screaming to the heavens random racist rant.
Pay better attention to detail, cupcake. Remember, readers are leaders!
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Don’t *ever* tell me why the color yellow makes you sad, heh.
We now return you to your regularly calm, polite, detached Burninator.
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I don’t see it play out like this. White men who are dumb or in some way deficient get kicked to the curb (or shut out) all the time. As a minority it’s more difficult to get white women, but it’s mostly just a matter of isolating her from her friends.
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He’s just a loser who wants to constantly spew his poor oppressed victimhood at people and throw his skin color around like it means jack shit. It’s tiresome and makes him sound like a little bitchy girl.
You control your life and destiny, are making marked self improvement, overcoming obstacles, learning from mistakes without whining about them and I admire the take you have on life.
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The system of racism white supremacy is “affirmative action” for white people.
LOL Nice try. If there was a “racism white supremacy” – why is there Affirmative Discrimination, stealing from Whites? Why is there mass immigration? You sound exactly like the feminists talking about “the patriarchy”, conveniently “forgetting” anti-male laws that rob men of their money in a divorce, laws that even force them to pay for children that DNA tests show aren’t theirs.
But of course you have to regurgigate the media lies about “structural racism”, because otherwise you have no explanation for your own failure.
Walter Williams. Thomas Sowell. These are two Black men who have done well academically, without Affirmative Discrimination, which they both reject. Oops. Blows your fantasies out of the water – there is no “racism” standing in the way of Blacks. The opposite is true, Blacks get passing grades without having to try, because anything else would be “racism”.
“The average white person is NOT smart
Average White IQ: 100
Average Black IQ: 70
Average Black U.S. IQ, with 23 percent White blood mixed in: 85 (but only 13 percent reach above the White average)
There is a reason the whole world despises Blacks. Just talk to e.g. Qataris, Indians or Chinese, who will speak without fear of being called “racist”.
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hows this….i hate all stupid people. which includes most whites but yet all but about 1-3 black people ive met EVER.
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My experience is the same in terms of encountering smart folks.
I don’t bother hating though, it takes energy. I ignore or despise. Or maybe that’s hatred or post-hatred, but it is what it is.
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good point. indifference is probably a better term.
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Game isn’t about affirmative action but about what works with women. I think the government still is mostly hands-off of that, though they are pushing diversity to mix up the dating pools and the networks are showing mixed couples all the time.
This is about the government universities, which the taxpayers must finance, favoring inferior dark people over superior white and asian people. The people of Michigan voted to end that shit. Now it stays ended. Good.
The average white person may not be smart, but he’s a lot smarter than the average black person. Have a look at “The Bell Curve”.
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Wtf?
One doesn’t see whites attempting to gain access to black neighbours.
One doesn’t see white students attempting to access historically black schools or colleges.
Whites don’t attempt to gate crash the Yeshiva or the Synagogue either and fight to wear a yamooka or that box thing.
YT has the privilege to run and pioneer, so that others follow and grow fat.
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You may not even be wrong, but in a way preferring people who look like you is just natural. What is strange is that only in the white countries we deliberately handicap ourselves for the benefit of others.
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The average white person may not be smart, but he’s a lot smarter than the average black person.
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any white person who compares himself to black people; and then runs around shouting about how superior he is has to be an idiot.
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Château Heartiste should get a copy of the book for free to review. Since CH has more than 7,000 readers, that would no doubt be good business. Heck, how about a copy with a free femme attached to practice on? Like women’s magazines sometimes include a free perfume sample, a free mascara sample, a free tampon, whatever.
Where I get the 7,000 figure: In the “Real Female Beauty From 0 To 10” thread, more than 7,000 people have rated. Has to be a unique IP every time for the vote to count, so it can’t be the same people rating several times; once at home and once at work at the most. (Invite your co-workers! Make it an office activity!)
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Yes, but something like real female beauty is something more likely to be searched on google than the titles of the other posts on this blog, so inevitably it has more views than other posts. Maybe not the most, but I’m willing to bet it’s higher than average. 7000 votes means more than 7000 views. It has a lot more comments than the average post, but I’d say the topic requiring interaction from readers elicited more comments too.
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LOL
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/04/the-confidence-gap/359815/
I couldn’t even read this.
-It’s The Atlantic
-The authors are women
-The still frame from the video features three women with the headline “Why do men think they’re so great?”
-The pull-out quotes are the words of hamsters on steroids
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Nesting vs linear comment structure:
– Nesting will generate a higher volume of comments because micro-threads are self perpetuating and linear threads require a commenter to go through the trouble of citing something he’s replying to
– Linear comments improve quality of commenting by discouraging impulsive replying and tardlike back n forths
– On smartphones nested comments get too narrow to readective
– Linear commenting makes it easier to catch up on a thread. Really good comments get overlooked because they’re buried somewhere in the middle of the thread
From a blogger’s perspective, its a choice between quantity and quality. From a commenters perspective, same thing.
Some commenters substitute commenting for social life and get chatty in the various subthreads. Other commenters come here for the original material plus quality lolz & realtalk in the comment section.
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the nested chattiness can occasionally yield lulz, but mostly it’s a buzzkill. it might work if say 90% of commenters were clever and insightful instead of 20%.
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What if you only single indent on the nest but you change the post’s background color to indicate subthreads like IE does for tabs. Someone code that.
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You use IE?
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“linear threads require a commenter to go through the trouble of citing something he’s replying to”
But citing isn’t really much of a trouble. For instance, look at the communication customs that have evolved on Steve Sailer’s blog.
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“From a blogger’s perspective, its a choice between quantity and quality. From a commenters perspective, same thing.”
Even assuming this is actually a tradeoff (it’s highly possible that better quality will draw a higher quantity of posters), better quality will almost certainly lead to a higher QUANTITY of READERS. For blog hosts interested in quantity, which are valued more, raw numbers of commenters or raw numbers of readers?
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– On smartphones nested comments get too narrow to BE READABLE
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not if you view in “full” mode not the retarded special mode for phones that is not the real internet
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open up a wordpress account and download the app on your phone. you can add heartiste to one of the blogs you follow. the comments are easy to read on there
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Gawd this is turning into a ni66er show
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That bald Brit isn’t fucking anything except for the stuff he puts on his scalp. I’m basically a 26 year old verion of him with hair, and girls reject me before I even have a chance to spit game.
Cold approaching simply doesn’t work for an average guy in the anglosphere. It’s considered creepy and weird.
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maybe you’re just doing it wrong.
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He IS doing it wrong. Frame and passing shit-tests – all it takes. He should be forewarned that he is socially conditioned to FAIL shit tests.
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How can you not own your baldness and make it sexy? Dude, shave your head entirely until it’s smooth and shiny, grow a goatee and get some muscles. Chicks *love* that look.
Second, you’re letting women define approaching for you? That’s the first clue that you’re doing something wrong AND that you let women define your terms for you.
I live in the anglosphere, most men here live in the anglosphere. Approaching women you do not know works for a lot of us. We don’t let women determine how we interact with them, we set the frame, not them.
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Sorry, glossed over the “with hair” part. But the rest still stands.
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if you’re balding, shave it and put some muscle on your frame. problem solved.
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Absolutely. The look is almost copyrighted if you grow a goatee with it, and damned if girls don’t line up nice and pretty like to talk to that kind of guy.
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It’s a shame about the cheesy Eurotrash cover. I’ll still buy though. You can’t judge a book…
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This reminds me, I should read “Day Bang” again.
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CH, the fucking god damned Cathedral is fucking *relentless*!!! Relentless, dudes.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/lupita-nyongo-most-beautiful-people/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
A key REQUIREMENT for beauty in a woman is long hair. Period. We all know this. There are precisely zero exceptions to this rule.
Relentless.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/lupita-nyongo-most-beautiful-people/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
When will they learn that they cannot alter NATURE no matter how many lies they tell?
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“The Next America” looks a lot like the next Brazil. theden.tv/2014/04/23/pew…”
Yah Yeha Yee Haw!!!! Yay!!! Dis is good good so good newz as Da Grim loves lovsz lovez Brasil.
Brasilia, Brasil!!! 4 evah!!
https://www.google.com/search?q=adriana+lima&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HO9XU-mKMaTu2AX0hYHACw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1310&bih=727#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=f17YMClLXt3R-M%253A%3BHU8WsTTBvTSDCM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lfmmag.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F09%252FAdriana-Lima-VS-March-2012-0.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lfmmag.com%252Fwomen%252Fmodel-week-adriana-lima%252F%3B760%3B1024
Pehraspz da Grim should buy a plane tickets to brasil and I can find my dark haired Amy deres? derie erres?
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You don’t get it do you? I am a woman pretending to be man and i concern troll by claiming to agree with you on a lot of things but sexual market value of a man is not what you think it is. You say that a woman’s SMV peaks at 15 to 25, but surprise! mine peaked at 13 due to a lifetime of cigs and cheap beer. Recall the past, when you were 20 you ignored my bloated carcass just as 90 year old men do now. Now imagine that we are 35000 years ago when we had to hunt dangerous animals for food, being 35 would be considered a perfect age for tribe leadership and accumulating harem princesses. A woman SMV may peak at 15 to 25, but her soul doesn’t peak until 70, not that this matters because who wants to fuck a 70 year old woman?! it’s like fucking an old hound with mange. It is a stable society that allows you to ignore cougars and date nymphets.
[CH: brutal honesty!]
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Annnnd thwack has just outed herself as being an ugly, white, female gendr studez major who endlessly dreams of BBC.
I suspected as much awhile ago, but that comment cemented it. Sugar Britches, *NO* self respecting blackman would ever whine about “white supremacy” like you do. Never. He also wouldn’t be constantly talking about cock, either.
I do feel kinda sorry for you though, if you can’t get serviced by a black dude, you must be fug ugly.
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Krauser’s blog is largely for readers of Krauser’s blog
I did an archive binge when I first discovered it and he goes into detail, explains specifics and key phrases as he goes along but then he mostly won’t do it again
E.g. In a few LRs he mentions doing “the stone”. It wasn’t until I stumbled onto an older post that I realised its just putting a girl’s hand on your hard dick and telling her that’s how she makes you feel
The blog reads as if you’ve taken the whole journey with him – not ideal if you’re just reading his new shit
But that’s the blog, not the book
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CH: “if you’re balding, shave it and put some muscle on your frame. problem solved.”
Yup. Also; no rugs , comb-overs or dead animals.
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A modest necklacs with a large canine from a dead large carnivore you’ve killed (preferably but not necessarily without a firearm) wouldn’t be a bad idea.
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I wonder how this book compares against the previous master piece by Mystery. I thought mystery has given us all the information we need, whether its day or night game.
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Here’s another upside to charging $100…it will make people more invested in the purchase and actually lead to them going out and trying out some of the tactics. I’d feel dumb if I bought a $100 book and never used it.
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What Chateau Rule do jizebelcarousel riders implicitly confirm (reading the story not necessary, possibly harmful to redpill novices):
Women Think Men Sound Like Idiots When They Put on Flirty Voices
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don’t bother with what women say; watch what they do. (this goes double for bitter feminists.)
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I read Krauser regularly and regard him as one of the best PUA bloggers around. My one caveat with his material involves its applicability to gaming girls in the US. He lives in Europe and games almost exclusively non-Anglo European girls, who tend to be more feminine, compliant and sexually liberal than US girls. He also does this either on his home turf in London, where he has the bonus of being a native interacting with girls who are far away from home and open to adventure, or in Eastern European countries, where he has the advantage of being an exotic foreigner with a high-value (English) background.
None of this is to take away from his considerable knowledge and skill in bedding hotties, or the legitimacy of his game tactics. I just wonder about the extent they can be applied by American guys to American women.
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go to daygame.com and see Yad & Andy’s comments about daygaming in America for Brits. American women love that accent.
I am a lower intermediate daygamer and in my 40’s. I find that there’s a heavy perception of ‘weird’ here, meaning that you’re sometimes up against how a girl would represent you to her friends. Krauser is fond of saying that it’s the most natural thing in the world for a man to approach a woman on the street but ……not in USA (nor in Monterrey, Mexico where I am at the moment – this fairly old school, traditional society here is heavily governed by connections and introductions). I can see it now, you meet an American girl and get her number and she likes you and then reports it to her friend and her friend says “He just ran up behind you and stopped you on the street ? That’s weird”. Ain’t that America……
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 70-80% of the women I go out with from Daygame in my big American city have been Eastern European.
Maybe results would be different if I was in my late 20’s/early 30’s
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<iMaybe results would be different if I was in my late 20′s/early 30′s
They would be SIGNIFICANTLY different. IMO, day game is the most age sensitive of the PUA styles. If you are hitting on girls more than 10 years younger than you then direct is NOT a good approach. Add to that the problem that there are not many single attractive women over age 32 out during the day and day game for older men becomes problematic. IMO, for older guys, low energy night venues are better than day game.
I know a few guys who consistently approach between 1000-2000 girls per year using day game. They are all in the age range of 26 – 32. They each sleep with 25 girls per year average off of daytime cold approach. And they do this in average American cities. American girls ARE NOT any different in their responsiveness to day game in general or the London day game method. That’s bullshit.
The reality is that VERY FEW men over 40 have any significant success with day game. Its a young man’s game.
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Jack you may be right about direct for over 40 guys IN USA (repeat IN USA). It would explain why the Eastern EUropean women here are more receptive – I’ve been over in Eastern Europe countless many many times and their attitude towards older guys is much much better than American women.
I was going to actually write Rollo Tomassi a note someday about his male/female SMV graph whereby, for instance a man who is 50 is equivalent in SMV to a woman who is 30/31 (& a man’s SMV peaks at 38 and a woman’s at 23) – I actually agree with that in principal and I’m sure most here would as well. It does not play out on the streets and bars in USA though. The fact is that it’s not how this market works in USA. It does play out in the streets and bars in Eastern Europe. It’s “culture dependent” and not universal.
I want to add one final thing: Everyone talks about the ‘wall’ a woman hits etc. but there really needs to be another category/exception and that’s super fit women. The ones who are in their 30’s and wake up at 5am to go work out and then do yoga after work and do windsprints in the sand on the beach so that their butt gets lifted & looks better and they are quicker when they play volleyball etc. I look at some of the 30/40 something super fit women around and I’d take them over some of the 20 something, unfit but otherwise good looking women around.
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Anglo-American women in general and American women in particular are the most corrupted by feminism/leftism/equalism/anti-manism. This is significant, but I think that an even bigger factor is the wealth of America. People in general are spoiled here. (How much longer that lasts is up for debate.) Women are very spoiled in America, especially if they are hot. Throw in the pot that the Left has waged a relentless war against moral virtue in general and masculine strength in particular and most American girls don’t even know what true masculine strength looks like. Older men therefore are not afforded the respect that their experience and maturity should command. Europe, Russia and the Asian world are all better in this regard.
This affects game in America for men over roughly 38. A man over that age had better be EXCEPTIONAL if he wants to consistently bang women in their 20s especially that highly coveted range of 18 – 24. Rollo’s SMV graph is at best applicable to exceptional men. There is NO WAY that the _average_ 50 year old man has the equivalent SMV of an early 30s woman. Forget that crap. An exceptional man? Yes. But how many exceptional men do you think there are statistically? A man who has a high net worth, ample disposable cash, visible wealth displays (i.e. toys), some degree of social status, great looks relative to his age (i.e. Clooney), Style (i.e. Depp), and the “learned charisma” (i.e. “game”) to bring it all together. That’s exceptional. Not a lot of men like that which is why there are not a lot of men 40+ banging hot young women in their 20s.
I don’t really consider Krause exceptional in total, but he is a good PUA who chose his fishing grounds well. He would have nowhere near the same success in America using day game on American women (and America does not have the same number of Eastern European women the way London does). If he had been a night game specialist then maybe. But it would have been a different journey with different women. That is not to say that an older American man can not enjoy the sexual pleasures of young women. They can, but it will be harder and not in the same numbers (i.e. 25-30 girls per year).
Day game is ideal for men 25-32 in America. In that range you are old enough to have some life experience and maturity but young enough to be young. Its the ideal age range for all Game methods but the best for Day Game. All you really need at that age is to be fit, look good in clothes, have a style your own and have the balls to approach a thousand woman a year and the basic convo skills to hold her for 3 to 10 minutes. You don’t need the 1001 PUA tactics of how to manage a “set”. Not when you’re younger.
In America a 40+ man would probably be better served trying to land one of those “super fit” women 33+ that Supermax is talking about. Some of those women are smoking hot and they are not easy to land.
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I use his ideas and techniques in Asia and have tremendous success.
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“A modest necklacs with a large canine from a dead large carnivore you’ve killed (preferably but not necessarily without a firearm) wouldn’t be a bad idea”
Heh. By “dead animal”, I meant Toupee.
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I bought it. An excellent book. Highly recommended.
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I’m about two-thirds of the way through, and I can confirm that it is indeed excellent and every bit as exhaustive as CH suggests. I’ll be posting up a full review on my site in due course.
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A 2% close rate is fucking awesome. Cold approach 50 hot chicks in the street and you end up fucking one of them? That’s great odds and a great return for the relatively small time investment.
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I totally agree, but not for arrogant armchair do-nothings who have a higher opinion of themselves than is justified by the market and their performance in it. They don’t want to face the market head on as they’d have to accept that their value and results aren’t what they thought it was. They’ll say, for example “I met 10 girls in the last 2 weeks at night and I fucked one so I’m at 10% – guess that makes me a world class PUA”.
1.) How hot was she really ? How hot are you ? That differential matters a lot and is the untold story – are you punching under your weight ?
2.) How many women did you really approach ?
3.) Assuming she was hot and younger/hotter than you let’s see how repeatable it is over the course of a year, punching over your weight the entire process
Want some easy way where you’re consistently banging hotter and younger than you ? Good luck: tell yourself whatever story you want but it’s not gonna happen
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I’m really considering buying this book hoping there’s something in it that’s not online. While paying for rehashed ideas does make sense if you want a condensed manual, $100 isn’t worth it. I suppose there’s some fresh stuff in the book too.
This being said, I agree. The people who brag about talking to 15 girls, banging 4 and number closing another 3 are being silly. The problem is that a lot of PUA pretenders make it seem like getting to know and talk to a bunch of random girls is a chore. I think it can be rather fun, unless you go for totally dumb broads or for below average girls you are not interested in.
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@pijama wearing ninja The book is very detailed and prescriptive. Most of this is all new and it follows a structure. Krauser’s blog has excellent field reports and detailed chats but it’s more of a journey detailing his experiences. The book is a “how to”. I’ve used the structures for opening girls in a variety of situations not just “Daygame”. The text-game section is worth the price of the book alone. Then there’s an excellent section on inner-game.
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walawala, then I will order it when I will get my hands on some spare money at the end of this month and will apply the concepts in the book throughout June. I’m interested in the opening part of the book because that’s the weakest part of my game. I find that once I click with a girl, the rest isn’t that complicated because it feels pretty natural. I rarely text, but maybe it’s an acquired taste. I prefer phone conversations to texting and meeting to phone conversations. I do have to admit that some ideas here made me reconsider texting because the emoji and … texts would amuse me. I didn’t use the former, but I found the latter to be pretty effective(especially since I’m not fond of texting). I suppose I always had an easier time because I never felt the need to pedestalize girls and found it annoying when friends did it. So as long as it has enough on opening, I’m happy. Building comfort and amplifying attraction isn’t as hard, at least to me, but everyone has different weaknesses when it comes to this.
Thanks for your answer.
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finally, the 2-3% figure is grossly misleading. If you have to approach 50 women to have sex with one hotter, younger woman (which I think is a solid effort investment) that also doesn’t necessarily mean that you only have sex with her once. What if you have enjoyable sex with her 50 times or for years ? Would that make your time investment in making the 50 approaches worthwhile ? Most guys may say they want to be a big player/PUA guy but deep down they don’t: they want a hot girlfriend to have sex with regularly and go on about their lives.
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But they make it sound like a chore so they don’t do it. Approaching or just talking to women shouldn’t be a chore, it should be fun.
At first I had a tough time talking to girls but as I became more self-aware of my own sexual market value and adopted some simple routines and understood the templates, it’s fun.
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Speaking of Daygame for fuglys …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpvuIYZah20
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The easiest part men should implement that this guy does is kissing or hugging the girl close after they exchange names. In my country, it’s normal to kiss/hug female classmates when you meet at school just like you shake the hands of your mates and I found that it works well on girls you don’t know.
What I find funny about that video is that the way he carries himself(body language) makes him seem more likable to me too. If he walked about with his back bent and talked with no energy, I would have probably disliked him.
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