Over in the comments section of a Mangan post about the possible direct health and happiness benefits of marriage, The Anti-Gnostic writes (replying to another commenter),
The biggest upside for men of marriage over cohabitation is that breaking up is harder in a legally recognized union. Since most breakups/divorces are initiated by women, making it harder to separate benefits men more than women.
I’m going to venture a hypothesis that most break-ups of cohabitation arrangements are initiated by men, and most marriage break-ups are initiated by women.
Divorce itself is not hard. You file a paper that says the marriage is over. Women will get the children, because the man will have a harder job with longer hours, and most households don’t have enough net worth to fight over.
I’m not sure how you came to your conclusion.
CH is on record stating that the incentive structure of marriage has changed to favor women’s discretion. That is, wives are now incentivized to divorce by the alimony retirement plan racket, the anti-male divorce industrial complex, and the practical guarantee of child custody. The data — especially the “wives initiate 70% of divorces” figure — strongly suggest that the CH view is the correct one.
But constitutional white knights — you know who you are — claim that figure could just as easily mean that 70% of husbands are shitty spouses. Well, maybe. But that interpretation is no less speculative than the opposite, and in fact is less sustainable under scrutiny, because the simpler explanation for the 70% female divorce-initiation figure is that men and women are about equally represented among the crappy spouse demographic, but women initiate more divorces because they perceive that a host of benefits will accrue to them from severing their marriages. Husbands, in contrast, perceive no such benefits, and are thus more loathe to divorce even when their wives are insufferable.
One way to test this hypothesis, as The Anti-Gnostic implied above, is to look at which sex initiates more non-marital break-ups. If men really are crappier partners than women, then the break-up initiation rate will be roughly the same inside and outside of marriage. The break-up initiation rate should skew approximately 70% in favor of women in whatever form of relationship they’re in. The premise behind this assumption is that a person’s romantic character or “livability” traits are fairly constant throughout life.
Using the variable FAMPER3 (“During the last year, did you… 3. Break up with a steady boyfriend/girlfriend or fiance?”) from the General Social Survey (GSS) dataset, we find that men broke up their non-marital relationships almost twice as often as did women.

Surveys about people’s sex lives are distinctly untrustworthy, but the GSS does give us a peak behind the curtain at trends in relationship dynamics. As claimed here at the venerable Chateau, it would appear that women have more to lose from breaking up non-marital long-term relationships and more to gain from breaking up their marriages, (and vice versa for men.) This makes sense to any astute observers of the sexual and marital markets; women are on their best behavior prior to marriage, before they’ve gotten a boyfriend or fiancé to sign on the dotted line and tacitly forfeit HALF. A woman’s peak attractiveness window is much shorter relative to a man’s attractiveness window, and this incentivizes women to make nonmarital relationships work until such time that money has changed hands and kids have popped out.
Men, on the other hand, have a lot more to lose in divorce, and a lot less to lose in nonmarital breakups, and this male-peculiar incentive structure is seen in the differing rates of breakup initiations by sex in and out of marriage.
To put it in Heartistian terms…
Maxim #30: Men can leverage their commitment far longer than women can leverage their sex.
Skeptics may note that the GSS question as posed doesn’t specifically ask who initiated the breakup, but the wording strongly implies it. (Perhaps a Master GaSSer could fine tune the data at his pleasure?) But the very fact that there is a sex difference in breakup rates between nonmarital relationships and marriages is ample evidence that social and legal incentives can influence the motivations of men and women.
The substantiating evidence so far, in surveys and in the field, is that women are more responsible for the rise in divorce, and that their self-justification for divorce has gotten more fickle and more self-aggrandizing rather than less.
A final note: If you look closely, you’ll see emanations and penumbras of female hypergamy in the GSS results above.

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Which Sex Is More Responsible For Divorce?
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In the Netherlands, gay marriage has been legal for over a decade – long enough to compile divorce statistics. Lesbians divorce almost twice as often as gay men
See the graph here, blue are gays, red are lesbians

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The female one, of course.
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Yes ,directly, but since men don’t take charge properly of the house, they cause it indirectly, so ultimately it’s their fault
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So in other words, you are not at fault.
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You take it back far enough and some germ gets blamed for splitting in two.
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i always blame the white man.
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== the Jews pissed off Hitler so ultimately the Holocaust is the Jews’ fault.
I doubt women can grasp legal concepts, however, divorce is almost certainly pursued with strong motive in the woman’s mind. There isn’t much difference between legal motive and motivation, so the point stands that women are motivated to divorce.
One must reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyy wonder about female suffrage. Women soften the resolve of potential husbands so men will accept women in the workplace/politics, and then women get agitated that the men are soft. The same characteristics of NIMBY becomes NIMPY: not in my pussy.
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Why didn’t a jap stick a fucking bayonet in your pregnant grandmother’s womb. What a fucking abortion you are.
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Director : whatever you say, I feel now that my value is very high muahaha, after all this time, the stars of male attention on facebook were pretty girls will bisexual men were ignored, but I tried online ( gay section ) dating for the first time, and there I am the prince ! finally, since my profile has already many views and messages, oh it feels soo good, my rank in popularity is highh
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Mudshark whore Ashton Meem abandoned by NFL Pro Bowl chimpanzee:
Ashton Meem and Russell Wilson’s Wedding Website
January 14, 2012
http://russellandashton.ourwedding.com/
Seahawks announce Russell Wilson’s getting divorced
April 23, 2014
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/23/seahawks-announce-russell-wilsons-getting-divorced/
Surprise surprise surprise…
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When is the OJ replay going to happen with her? Won’t be long now.
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Why, what a charming young zombie. VERY interested in where other men are putting their dicks. A little jealous, Sweetie Shane? xoxo
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Meir Henoch Mojszewicz Wallach-Finkelstein:
“WELL, THERE IS NO FAMINE.”
http://www.garethjones.org/published_articles/st_patricks/litvinov_famine_denia_oldl.htm
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When is the OJ replay going to happen with her?
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Won’t happen, he’s on to his next white woman; which will look just like her.
He is frost bitten.
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> “He is frost bitten.”
And she is sewer wine.
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then why you mad bro?
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Look at the stoopid robotic date ticker on the mudshark’s wedding vanity website, just ticking away like the robot that it is.
YESTERDAY: Newlyweds for 830 days!
TODAY: Newlyweds for 831 days!
TOMORROW: Newlyweds for 832 days!
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock…
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> “then why you mad bro?”
Actually, to a certain extent, human men ought to be thankful to the chimpanzee for marking this whore with the Scarlet “MS” – the Mud Shark.
Now we all know that under no circumstances should we touch that crazy kook cunt with a 10-foot-pole.
It’s like I was trying to tell Scray the other day.
YOU [the chimpanzee]: Evil Psychiatrist who is molesting his most mentally unstable patients
SHE [the mudshark]: Completely insane bipolar disorder suicidal wrist-slashing schizophrenic nutcase nymphomaniac
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YOU [the white man]: always to blame
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10 bucks says ZS has banged a ‘mudshark’ without even knowing it.
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Comment below the article
“he is a smart man. getting divorced now before he signs his big contract extension in a couple years means she can’t get any of it”
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Russy Wilson is practically white
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“The data — especially the “wives initiate 70% of divorces” figure —….”
If this figure refers to the nominal filer (the “petitioner” petitioning for the divorce on paper, the “plaintiff”), then the real figure is much higher when you consider that many men who were against the divorce become the nominal filer for tax and other self-preservation reasons.
I am one such example, but this statement is not anecdotal.
Among the many anti-man aspects of divorce law is the law of separation-prior-to-divorce. The longer the couple is still technically married could be used against the husband when determining the right to alimony and how much. The “length of the marriage” is a factor. Technically the date of separation becomes the real date, retroactively, but the court system is stupid and can’t be trusted. So in many, many cases, the woman moves out and takes the kids and the husband files, for example, by December 31, for tax reasons. Does not want to have to file taxes as “married.”
And in extreme cases, the woman will be happy to be separated *for years* while still technically married. In a strange anti-man catch 22, while the system incentivizes women to divorce, as CH states, it also gives them no real worry about staying technically married as long as possible (unless they meet a man they want to become their new husband). Many lazy or stupid men don’t bother to file papers for YEARS after the separation and the woman has no need or incentive to do so either. In an extreme example, of course, the man could DIE and if she’s still married, she gets the presumption of all the marital inheritance rights. Even if he doesn’t die, she can argue it was a “12 year marriage” when they really separated after 10 years — she will not necessarily win, but that fact can only help her alimony argument.
In my and many cases, my ex wife moved out, but I filed the papers as the petitioner. She’d have been happy to stay technically married to me as long as possible. In fact, she still uses my name and claims she needs to at the bank even though the divorce judgment legally changed her name back to her maiden name.
Does anyone know whether that 70% figure that is often bantered around takes into account what I’m saying? Or are 70% of women the nominal “petitioners” filing the first papers to start the divorce process?
My comment on pre-marital breakups is that all of the things we cover here lean towards women initiating more of those breakups (with betas) too, even though they have a wall, etc. — they don’t see or acknowledge the wall, and they get constant social validation and get hit on 20 times a day on facebook and at starbucks so they simply see themselves with 20 options at all times.
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Grim – see my post below, picking up on a theme of yours from a few days ago.
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http://www.menstribune.com/
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the man filing the petition can also be the result of his failure to pass a shit test… woman says ‘i want a divorce’ waiting for man to say ‘shut up and file it yourself. i don’t want a divorce’… man accommodates woman and files…and fails said testing…
in fairness to the man who files, it’s usually the end of a long series of failed tests…
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Shit test fitness is important, this we can all agree however, approaching divorce territory I don’t think a mild show of alpha by passing a shit test is going to save it.
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I don’t understand how this point can be controversial. Women Initiate divorce more in all countries I have seen data for even when divorce is difficult or stigmatized for a woman.
I don’t think alimony or child support should exist beyond the minimum that is required to keep the child off welfare so we all are not footing the bill. That is logical. What we have makes no sense in a society where women are supposedly people and not permanent dependents.
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I don’t think you should be allowed to use the internet.
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Whosoever keeps the child pays for the child. And if she fails, the child must be forcibly removed from her custody and restored back into the father’s.
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I have posted this on my blog before. I think that makes sense too but in case daddy doesn’t want the kid around, I still don’t want to pay for it, so his income ought to keep the kid at subsistence level, not mine.
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lzozlzoll you two are clearly not parents. The reality is the exact opposite, because whoever has the kid has way less time to have a real, high paying, full time job!!!
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Grim’s right. It’s all first of all designed to provide for the child, which means among other things keeping the child off welfare. But maybe a much higher standard if the parents can afford.
Next we say the mother is the more suitable parent so the mother gets custody. (This is highly dubious but it’s the usual outcome.)
Finally, since the mother’s staying home with the kids, the father gets to work himself to the bone to pay for it all.
Very logical, right?
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The public didn’t fuck, and the public didn’t fuck it up. Usually it’s the woman who fucks it all up. In some rare cases the man might be at a fault, but generally women don’t like to divorce/break up with assholes who beat their skins off. So most divorces are the doing of women.
So the man doesn’t get to raise his child his way, and still has to pay? Or else he goes to jail?
No grim, I’m not a parent… but I know when I impregnate a girl, I will bring up the child the way I want, and inculcate the values that I hold dear. Even if it mess cutting down on other things that take up my time right now.
FamilyMan… We all know what happens to the bastards brought up by single mother. Their either become whimpering cowards or full blown criminals. And girls become raging sluts. In almost every case of single motherhood I know, I have seen this. Stats should easily prove this. I don’t understand where these juries get off declaring mothers to be the more suitable parent.
Maybe as CH says hard headed realism is no longer the yardstick.
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quoras, I agree with your sentiment and I am sure Grim does too. We are describing what DOES happen — not what should happen — by the enforcement power of the state. The state can coerce these things to happen because they have guns, jails and all kinds of shit they can do to people.
If you have children with a woman, I hope this doesn’t happen to you. I happens to some of us.
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I don’t have a particular problem with the father paying for his child, but this is not a moral, more of a practical belief. Better him than me. But there is no need to prove that the money is actually being spent on the child.
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I mean, there should be a need to prove it, but the legal system ignores it for the benefit of women receiving “stealth alimony”.
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Child support should be capped. Just because your ex is a trillionaire doesn’t mean your child actually costs $40,000 a month to raise.
Alimony should be limited to a narrow period of time to let the nonworking spouse get a job and secure childcare.
The big debate is presumptive joint custody… I think if women were at real risk of sharing the kids 50-50 you’d see a dramatic change in the divorce stats. But joint custody can really stink for the kids…
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The best thing to do is simply abolish no fault divorce and have the spouse at fault lose any rights to custody, child support or alimony. Also abolish child support for children born out of wedlock and return the laws about bastards not inheriting. This will fix marriage fairly fast.
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I have a better idea. Abolish no fault divorce and have the spouse at fault lose custody, any rights to child support or alimony , get only a third of the joint assets, make assets earned prior to the marriage not part of divorce proceedings if the person isn’t at fault.
Abolish child support and inheritance rights for children born out of wedlock and raise tax credits for children born within wedlock and marriage will be more than the concubinage arrangements of today.
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Fault should be determined, I agree. The courts love no-fault though, because contested divorces clog the dockets.
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Why abolish the no fault? Seems like a drainer on the courts as the process of determining fault would make a lot of lawyers rich. I think people should keep the assets they earned during a marriage in a divorce. It’s completely fair. Women get most college degrees today. They have no excuse for what they did not earn. If they don’t earn, fine, but why should they keep anything after a divorce then? Their hated ex already paid for the roof over their heads so why do they get more than that if there is a divorce? Thus, I think you should keep what you earn no matter who is at fault and no matter who initiates divorce. If someone wants otherwise, they should be the ones getting that stated in a pre nup beforehand, not the other way around.
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Da Grim ❤ Amy. luuuuuuvs.
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I agree with pijama on this one. No-fault divorce is a war on families.
That’s why all the left wing governors want it. We just got it last year or so in NY, it was a sneak attack. We never heard the governor talking about this agenda, then suddenly there it is. Like gay marriage and the anti-gun SAFE act. None of which did any of these politicians promise in their campaigns.
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The parent who actually *has* a job should get the children. It’s not fair, but at least the dad can hire a nanny and know the kids are getting home from school , instead of shelling out cash to a woman who may or may not be spending it on the children. Also of serious concern (as seen in my own extended family) are the dangers of mommy bringing home boyfriends who know there are teenage girls in the house.
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Shackling to a stove is the best remedy for this Bolshie hysteria.
Bake my steak pie!
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The reason no fault needs to be abolished is pretty straightforward to people with more than two living brain cells. It’s a deterrent against martial desertion and a way to make people fix their marriage. If you can’t be bothered to waste your time in court, don’t divorce and fix your marriage.
What kind of imbecile doesn’t understand that having an easy way out from a marriage and not being punished for being the one fucking it up are the main causes for why modern marriage is a joke? The hilarity is that you don’t even get that if everyone keeps what they earned, who earned what needs to be established… IN COURT!
A simple family has two cars and a house and let’s assume for kicks that two cars cost as much as a house in value and assume everyone earned the same income over the marriage. This is already being in fantasy land in terms of simplicity. What kind of idiot will not want to claim the house and leave the two cars, which were only worth as much as the house when they were in the dealership, to their former spouse? The reality is that you will need income statements for every single year of the marriage and expense accounts of who spent more money on themselves in order to establish who exactly paid for the assets divided in divorce. If you think this is simpler than establishing fault, you’re deluded.
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Why abolish no fault divorce? Because the proper name is frivorce (frivolous divorce: see women initiated or “Eat, Pray, Love”). Bringing back consequences instead of letting the State “take care of things”. There is no such thing as a free lunch, and no fault divorce is a good example of that because for making it a easier we are all paying an exorbitant price in the end.
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Fault should always be relevant on issues of alimony (which should be sharply limited anyway) and division of assets. I don’t think fault is as important in determining custody and child support because a terrible wife/husband can still be a good parent. But joint custody should be the presumption, with expenses split, instead of the formulaic wealth transfer mechanism it is now.
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If child support was just that, it would be a lot different.
The reality is that child support is really mommy support and some women see the child support money as their compensation for the “job” of raising their own child.
I always said that I was so proud of my son, only two years old, and already supporting his mother.
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> “their self-justification for divorce has gotten more fickle and more self-aggrandizing rather than less”
On another recent thread, “Grim” was talking about what a disaster the Baby Boomer fathers had proved to be, and how Gen X females want nothing to do with marriage to a Beta, and would do damned near anything to experience the Hamster Rush which comes from the sturm und drang of being abused by a Bad Boy.
Well Exhibit A in the proposition that Boomer Dads are the worst and their daughters are frigging whores:
Al Gore’s youngest daughter Sarah, 35, gets remarried under an old pine tree in casual outdoor service in California
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610576/Al-Gores-youngest-daughter-Sarah-35-gets-remarried-old-pine-tree-casual-outdoor-service-California.html
• Her divorced parents attended the small ceremony and only one of her three siblings
• Wore a lacy, loose off-white dress and exchanged vows under the world’s largest Torrey Pine tree
• This time around, guests dined on vegan cupcakes and huevos rancheros
• She is now the only married member of the Gore family, as her two sisters- Karenna and Kristin- both split from their respective first husbands and their parents Al and Tipper announced their divorce in 2010.
So this loser is the ex-Vice President of the USA, but he can’t even get laid with a masseuse-for-hire because his Game sucks so bad that he has to resort to attempted rape.
And his family is so fucked up that they’re all divorced and none of the kids bothered to show up for this most recent wedding, not even his loser son who likes to get high and drive his Toyota Prius at 110 MPH down the freeway.
And then the sorry bastard goes and sells the ManBearPig channel to fucking Al Jazeera for $1 BILLION, and flies around the world in his private jet burning enough hydrocarbons to fuel a small city.
These Boomer scum, like Al Gore and Bill Clinton, and their Gen X whore progeny, like Chelsea Clinton, just can’t go extinct fast enough.
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Come on man it’s SUPER CEREAL to fly around the world burning hydrocarbons.
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Didn’t we recently see on here where one of Gore’s daughters married a dirtbag from Haiti? The wedding was very elegant except this guy looked unfit to be a servant, like some random black guy who wandered in off the street in his casual clothes.
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That was Boehner’s mud shark daughter.
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Oh yeah you’re right. If it’s possible to make Gore look alpha by comparison, that does the job.
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this guy looked unfit to be a servant, like some random black guy who wandered in off the street in his casual clothes.
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Is boehners daughter hot?
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Decades ago author and publisher Wilmot Robertson said something to the effect that being racially aware was analogous to having special percipient powers. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. The economic problems of the West are symptoms of a cultural crisis that is in turn reflected in the graying and darkening of our population. The political conflicts that create government gridlock bemoaned by H&K serve, to an extent, as surrogate for suppressed ethnic conflicts.
This is from KMac.
It applies here too. A fraying darkening population leads to these sorts of disestablishment trends.
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never, never, NEVER buy the cow.
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Always be renting.
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always be poaching
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> “always be poaching”
Well at least you’re authentic.
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ZS… he’s poaching toss off. not a threat.
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poached, scrambled, sunny side up…Eggs, they’re whats for breakfast
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“never, never, NEVER buy the cow.”
Sage advice.
One exception. Buy her if she encourages or at the very least allows you to milk other cows after the wedding and even more so if she milks them with you.
Fact is most HV guys will grow tired of one cow after six months. SO much hot strage walking around. Don’t fight your true nature. You know how it goes… “show me a HB10 and I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of banging her.”
IMHO, majority of divorces are men’s fault. Flawed mate selection, bowing to societal/female pressue, failure to detect/understand hypergamy, putting pussy on the pedestal, madonna/whore complex, loss of frame, loss of individual goals, loss of sex drive, loss of game.
Do you really blame a toddler for giving you shit? No way. So why blame a woman? Game her and she’s putty in your hands.
Men built the modern world and designed every complex system that makes life so comparatively easy, from futures markets and fertilizers to HVAC and airplanes.
The only thing women did was spread their legs. To blame this base, simple creature for the ills of marriage/modern life is an irresponsible, escapist cop out.
No one said being a man was easy. We have to constantly be on our toes, runnning game on the slit and balancing our lives all the while trying to leave this world a better place than we found it.
It was the same way for our ancestors prior to the neolithic and look what they were able to achieve.
Game dictates that women make everything easy. Hamster wants to make it easy for us. To serve us as we strive for greatness.
Only buy the cow if her every action is dedicated to making you happy. No resistance, no pressure, no mixed signals. Shit tests come with the territory, but thanks to CH we all know how to handle those.
As long as we (betas especially) encourage bad behavior, what incentive do the slits have to change? It’s our failure to keep them in check that has led to this misery for so many families.
Nobody’s fault, nobody’s fault, nobody’s fault but mine.
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“Fact is most HV guys will grow tired of one cow after six months.”
invariable true. actually this is the last remaining vestige of my personal socialization that I have yet to excise although i try diligently.and the girls know it too…..they can smell it on you like fear. hanging on to a girl after ive lost interest because i feel bad for her, my curse!
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It’s only a 3% difference between the sexes though,
[CH: you’re reading it wrong, which is no surprise. women broke up LTRs N=66 times, while men broke up LTRs N=88 times. that’s 33% more nonmarital breaking up done by men.]
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“women are on their best behavior prior to marriage, before they’ve gotten a boyfriend or fiancé to sign on the dotted line and tacitly forfeit HALF. ”
This is observably true, and men still initiate way more break ups when women are at their best. This would imply that contra the white knight position that men are the shitty partners, its the other way around. And once the man is married its only down hill from there.
Even at their best, they’re trouble.
Since a good third of all women are full on cray-cray . . .
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> “Since a good third of all women are full on cray-cray . . .”
You know, you joke about this, but for any youngish fellow these days who is out there searching for the mother of his children, this really ought to be the foremost question on his mind: “What is the probability that this chick could be batshit fucking insane, but she’s just hiding it for now?”
And for serious students of the Art, like Heartiste, you would want to be axing yourself, “And how is that probability changing over time?”
Surely all of this nihilistic filth and poison with which the Frankfurt School is saturating the culture must be increasing the occurrence of female insanity.
But at some point, as all the kook-prone chicks [who fall prey to the cultural poison] grow old, and barren, and come to be living all alone in their apartments filled with cats, it seems like the greater fertility rate of the sane down-to-earth no-nonsense Red State chicks would have to start filling the vacuum.
Eventually…
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Zombie Brain, on leave from his State Department sinecure, so wise and strong, issues once again his portentous pronouncement:
“It’s the Frankfurters! The Frankfurters!!!”
Good thing we don’t need any silly Lefty academics to do that silly “analysis” stuff and confuse us about how things work.
Frankfurters!!
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Meir Henoch Mojszewicz Wallach-Finkelstein:
“WELL, THERE IS NO FAMINE.”
http://www.garethjones.org/published_articles/st_patricks/litvinov_famine_denia_oldl.htm
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Im missing a sock. Should I look behind the sofa or can I just blame the joos?
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Can’t the prevalence of men being the prime initiators in breaking up in non married relationships be simply explained in that men that are able to stay in relationships without getting married are the top attractive men while betas are the ones that take the raw deal of getting locked down?
So basically
Guys that have the option of being in LTR instead of marriage are attractive alphas and thus they have the power in the relationship and they decide when they are done on their terms.
Guys that get married are generally betas who are on the short of the stick in power dynamic and are eventually discarded.
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Interesting idea.
Alphas are obviously more likely to have relationships than betas, but betas are far more likely to get locked down in a marriage when they do get a relationship. One reason for this is that, betas being betas, they are very unlikely to break up with any woman, and the women therefore have to do it.
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Dave Sim is the creator of Cerebus, the longest running independently produced comic book. He had this to say:
“Emotion, whatever the Female Void would have you believe, is not a more Exalted State than is Thought. In point of fact, I think Emotion is animalistic, serpent-brain stuff. Animals do not Think, but I am reasonably certain that they have Emotions. ‘Eating this makes me Happy.’ ‘When my fur is all wet and I am cold, it makes me Sad.” “Ooo! Puppies!’ ‘It makes me Excited to Chase the Ball!’ Reason, as any husband can tell you, doesn’t stand a chance in an argument with Emotion… this was the fundamental reason, I believe, that women were denied the vote for so long.”
“Behind this…lies the Greater Void, the Omnivorous Engine which drives every… institutionalised waste of human time and energy, which drives, in point of fact, our entire degraded society. The wife and kids.”
“In one of those Poor Us studies for which the Emotional Female Void is notorious, it was pointed out that after a divorce, the average male standard of living rises… the average female standard of living drops… I think the…explanation is that the excision of a five-to-six- foot leech from the surface of a human body is going to have more of its own blood in its own veins. Unless the leech finds another body, it is going to go hungry.”
“In labouring to fill the insatiable Void Need for material possessions at home, his time and his energy and his spirit disappear into the Vaginal Bottom Line of the workplace.”
“The Male Light and the Female Void: Seminal Energy and Omnivorous Parasite.”
“If you look at her and see anything besides emptiness, fear and emotional hunger, you are looking at the parts of yourself which have been consumed to that point.”
“It wouldn’t be that big a stretch to categorize my writing as Hate Literature against women . . . in this Fascistic Feminist country”
Real Talk
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A comic genius
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Shit damn, does he have a website?
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No official page. Read Cerebus, it is worth it.
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here is his essay on feminism and feminists: http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/tangents.html
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Very interesting man. The kind of man who can say things others can’t because of his independence.
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Dese Maxims tho
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“But constitutional white knights — you know who you are”
The king sadist from MPC?
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Why would anyone get married?
You can have kids without getting married. Shit, it’s way easy (I’m convinced) to get a chick to go along with having your kids. If you like her, stick around. That way you always have the ability to walk and she’ll have mad incentive to keep her ass in line.
The only downside to divorce for men is just the alimony and the continued siphoning off of resources. Otherwise women know that once they pop out kids they’re fucked — what other man is going to commit resources to them? Or at least what man of similar value to the original father.
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Scray, are you delusional?
You have to pay CS if you’re the bio father even if you weren’t married (unless you vanish so fast and don’t even give your name so they can never find you.) And if you were married (even a common law marriage with no legal piece of paper signed) you might be on the hook for other men’s kids by that woman.
The courts want you to pay so the state doesn’t have to. No matter what, it seems.
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CS is unavoidable, but alimony isn’t. Alimony is the real bitch. It’s not so bad that you’re forced to pay CS. The bad part about that is that it’s very hard to ensure that the money you pay goes directly to your kids.
And I plan to get paternity tests for all of my kids anyway.
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I’d bet length of nonmarital relationship is a correlating factor as well. Women are probably more likely to break up short lasting relationships, as things get longer or more committed and women get less young, men are more likely to do the breaking up. Until marriage of course.
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Alright brothers I’ve hot this one…
Cui bono?
Generally the woman gets to take 1/2 the property and virtually enslave the man.
There’s your answer.
A man might file if the woman has made his life a misery though. But only then.
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I broke up with all but one of my girlfriends before getting married.
I wouldn’t piss on my wife if she were on fire, but she refuses to leave my house, and so do I. I didn’t build this place from the ground up, but I made it everything that it is today with these two hands, and a shit ton of blood and sweat equity. Not to mention money out the ass.
Do I suffer the flea bites every time I walk through the door, or do I burn it down and start over? These are not easy choices. This is why when men are given a choice, they tend to avoid pulling the divorce handle voluntarily.
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You burn it down and start over. In all likelihood most of what you built was with her/family in mind in the first place. Not yourself and it doesn’t matter. It’s purely a materialistic mindset you are processing with. Take out all of the emotion and a divorce turns into a business transaction. As it should be.
I nuked a 25 year marriage, I filed and no it’s not easy. I consider myself the luckiest man in the world. I did what most men cannot and that is I walked away from a long term marriage without the burden of alimony and child support payments. I took on ALL debt from the marriage. I surmise it cost me around $245,000 in credit card balances, re-mortgage and division of the home equity (she got a check for $65,000 out of that, stung like a bitch) and some 401k stash plus a few silver and gold bars.
That was 5 years ago. Directly after the divorce was final, I filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy and stopped paying the mortgage on the house and continued to live there for the next 4 years for free. I am untouchable and debt free at 51 with a stash of cash you wouldn’t believe.
It can be done and you will survive – Fuck’em all
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What Mom’s Proud said. Real men respond to an ultimatum with a straight “fuck you,” and divorce is an ultimatum. She wants a divorce? Give it to her, give her everything she wants (except alimony) and start from scratch again. I’ve done it twice (except I was the one who filed, both times), and it’s no big deal unless there are kids involved. But you deal with that pain the same way you deal with any pain: you weather it, and over time it goes away.
There’s a reason why a man should devote himself to building his career from an early age: it’s because when you’re older, you can have a “fuck you” attitude towards any ultimatum — whether it’s an ultimatum from a boss, or an ultimatum from a woman.
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How do you keep a stash of cash yet declare bankruptcy?
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This is especially surprising because the “wall” effect would predict the exact opposite; women should be more okay going back on the market when they’re younger and men vice versa.
I know the term “wall” is a CH concept, but I would think almost all women realize its existence whether they’ll admit it or not. But in light of this data, could it actually be that women are so deluded by today’s “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” platitudes that they truly believe they’ll garner desirable male attention post-divorce?
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ACG1: This is especially surprising because the “wall” effect would predict the exact opposite; women should be more okay going back on the market when they’re younger and men vice versa.
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Well look at you, using “Logic”, which as we know is a Coercive Tool of the Oppressive Patriarchy!
Why does Divorced Mom sporting three rugrats and massive cankles think she’s going to be the hawtest thing on eharmony? Behold the Awesome Power of the Hamster!
Plus she’s probably got several single (read: divorced hag) friends who are giving here the “You go, girl!” cheers because…..because they’re miserable hags themselves and don’t want her (or anyone, really) to be happier than they are, and who probably spent six months trashing her hubby to her before she filed.
Four Words: You Can’t Trust Bitches.
The woman who you could rely on to stick with you through thick and thin? She’s married to your grandfather…..
À bientôt,
Mistral
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What would PA’s answer be?….
He’d first have to check what Piggy said, and then parrot that back.
Piggy rape!
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you are close… It doesnt matter who divorces who first, the guy still gets the shaft. The right way to look at it is… Wife gets to fulfill her rape fantasy of getting raped by a homeless guy. That is why women are so nice to homeless guys, because they secretly want to be raped by them… The only way to keep a woman from playing out her fantasy is to keep them pregnant and locked in a basement(check local laws first)…
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ha jesus im a big believer in CHs writings but you are taking evo psyc to ridiculous levels
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Reminds me of that scene in Deliverance, “Boy, I’m gonna make ya squeal like a pig!”
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PA = ???
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Some contributor here who makes reliably stupid comments.
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Does “PA” stand for something longer?
Pennsylvania?
Public Address?
Palestinian Authority?
Or is it just “PA”?
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PA is me. I’ve been around since the blog’s early days. The Whorefinder is a funny character; probably an angry-looking dwarf. He and I used to comment at GLPiggy, a site whose owner, blogger C.R., took down recently. Whorefinder said that C.R. was his libertarian god, until he no longer was on account of C.R.’s anti-feminist article that he published at a feminist-friendly magazine.
A couple of years ago at GLPiggy’s comment section, I abused Whorefinder in the most cruel manner over the fact that he is a neocon lickspittle with Karl Rove’s little dick in his mouth; who just happens to hate blacks and mudsharks (and he does this hilariously therefore I still am a fan of The Whorefinder). Nonetheless, he is angry over the beclowning and tooling he’s suffered such a long time ago, as you can see by his butthurt comments here.
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Whorefinder tricked into neocon love? Say it ain’t so. A healthy dose of AntiWar and LewRockwell dot com should fix that.
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That’s what I told him too. Prior to when I started batting him around like a bleeding mouse, that is. He spazzed out and started calling me a leftie ever since.
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@ PA:
lol. You pretend you “got” me once in order to cover your tracks.
Yet you never produce said dialogue. I wonder why…
Oh yes, because it doesn’t exist. And you’ll blame your jizzmaster, Piggy, for taking down his site…but in reality, it’s because you’re lying.
PA rape!
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Look, Whorefider came out to play, and look what he does: deny, deny, deny. Just like at GLP, where I slapped him around for being a corporate whore neocon George Bush’s personal cocksucker — no mojo whatsoever when he argues with me. You can almost hear his voice going up in pitch. Come here little dwarf, let me slap you again.
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@PA:
Look, Whorefider came out to play, and look what he does: deny, deny, deny.
—lol. Note how PA, Piggy’s Squealer, suddenly cannot produce any evidence of his “pwnage.” Suddenly, its on someone else to “disprove” his “facts.” Rather like most leftists, who insist they have no burden to prove, Piggy’s Squealer merely thinks that if he asserts his argument, because he is a good leftist supporter, that makes it true.
lol.
Just like at GLP
–lmao. Assertions are not proof, little boy.
for being a corporate whore neocon George Bush’s personal cocksucker
—Sounds like Piggy’s Squealer is now an Occutard. Any takers on when he starts endorsing Obama?
Poor wittle Squealer, though. I have pity on him (almost). His hero is disappearing, he has no reason to live other than to suck Piggy’s cock.
Piggy’s Squealer rape!
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Whorefinder, I would have thought you and PA were on the same basic side. What’s the source of the animus?
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One dated Little Spoon before, the other dates her now.
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Rad my cite. Basically, Piggy outed himself years ago as someone willing to say whatever it takes to become “successful” (i.e. make money and have a little fame at writing). PA consistently defends Piggy’s lack of any moral fiber.
PA is nothing more than Piggy’s little Squealer.
Orwell rape!
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[…] By CH […]
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I can tell you that being a little older than some of the folks on here that divorce in the US legal system Is a serious impediment to leaving a bad or painfully dead marriage. Evenin a pro father state like I live it.
Believe me I have looked at it every way possible to find a way out of mine. But I have amassed a good nest egg and make a very good income. And if I divorce that would be all gone. Not to mention the damage it would do to my kids. One of them Aspergers.
So I choose the only thing left. And that is to live my life and try to find a little joy in it chasing women. And if you have read my strange saga. Not so much on the joy side lately. lol
Many of my friends have been divorced some several times and it is not good for anyone. Especially the kids. But sometimes it is better for the kids that the parents split and stop making war in front of them.
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My sympathies to you. Divorce is a rich man’s paradise and a poor man’s purgatory.
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Thanks brotha.mthere may be a way out soon. The state I am living in may change the alimony in perpetuity law soon. Making it conditional. And the kids are growing up.
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OT.
Here’s the shorter Amanda Marcunt:
I’m like totes hot, let me tell you how hawt I am every third sentence. Cause I don’t have to, stop being boorish, but let me tell you about my prom. It’s not weird or creepy for a older woman past the wall to be so interested in Highschool boys. I only have their best interest at heart. Did I tell you I am hot and got hit on one time.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/23/a-barrage-of-bad-arguments-in-defense-teaching-boys-to-sexually-harass/
The more info I glean from feminists the more I realize how truly creepy and deranged they are.
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> “how truly creepy and deranged they are”
All Leftists are like this.
Decent folk, on the other hand, just can’t keep parroting the lies forever.
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Here’s a comment I wrote there:
“Just because you are putting her on a pedestal doesn’t mean he has to.
Women are very status conscious. Miss America has defeated thousands, millions of other women to rise to the top of the greasy pole of US pageantry and win that title. These other women consider her with some awe. And she will expect that. It’s how relations are among women.
It may seem unfair to them that really any guy can ignore all that and talk to her as an equal, even take a leading role. And that’s fine with her. Unfair perhaps but it’s a perk of being a man. Because it WAS OK with her.”
BTW Marcotte’s comment about her prom is funny:
” (For the record, I did, in fact, get a quite lovely request to go to prom from a young man who did it the correct way, by actually having a conversation with me before coming out of the blue to push me for a date. I’m not bringing this up to defend my fuckability, which is a tedious point of debate in any sense, but to note that I have direct experience of how it should be done correctly, which is why I advocate for teaching boys to do it right instead of to be dickwads about it.)”
so the only thing verifiable in here is that she did not go to her prom. She can’t say she did if someone’s going to come up with evidence that she didn’t. But she can claim that some poor betaboy asked her nicely, and she turned him down. (Probably nobody asked her at all but we cannot prove it.)
She doesn’t bother to address the question of why a boy should ask that way if it doesn’t work.
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check your privileges, mansplainers
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It is also interesting to note that when divorce first became freely available for women in the French Revolution that they also initiated divorce in 70% of the cases.
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Indeed. As is obvious to any thinking person who has lived in this world over 30 years, women do not generally like men or LTRs with “a” man or have the ability to truly love “a” man (yes, they do like sex and flings less than 3 years with alphas), get bored and unhaaaaaappy after 3 to 6 years, and 50% of them will not stay married (or get married in the first place prior to age 35, when they are way past wall) unless society’s laws and social mores force them to. Duh.
We used to have fault-based divorce and, as far as mores, women were shamed as “spinsters” if they were unmarried after age 27 and mainstream thought encouraged women to consider it important to be feminine, sweet, and find a good husband. They were also shamed for being sluts having lots of sex before marriage.
The legal and social changes made in this country starting in the mid-1970s got us to where we are now. Cock carousel from age 18-35, then ready to finally “settle down” and find a beta provider after giving it away for free to alphas for the prior 17 years when she was younger, hotter, and tighter. Alpha fux, beta bux, dat is how we roll.
As far as mores, as we discuss here, feminist freaks completely control MSM discourse as well as higher “education” and not only are women not shamed for being unmarried after age 27, they are affirmatively shamed if they suggest they might actually want to be feminine and find a husband or even have a steady boyfriend if they are younger than 30. Women are now shamed by MSM writers such as at Puffed Ho if they even suggest that woman should NOT be a cock carousel riding slut.
As a result, this society is not good for children and the future.
Feminism is a war on women and children, primarily.
http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/story-for-women-on-matchcom/2013/3/16/a-parable-for-the-older-single-women-of-matchcom-told-by-pro.html
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Award primary sole custody to the father in all cases. Remove any right to child support… period… as this involves the government so it will turn evil no matter what the good intentions are surrounding it. No alimony ever for anyone as see prior comment on government involvement. Remove all domestic “violence” laws as they are basically a “this house/apartment is mine no matter if I actually own it or not” law. If violence is a problem, leave. Remove women’s right to vote as this boils down to which candidate gives her tingles.
This was the situation 100 years ago and the nation did just fine. Families were strong, freedom happened, taxes were low, life for most was pretty good and getting better. Now we have… sh*t.
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Honest question: my boyfriend’s the product of a divorce, the kind where his mom blew up the relationship. I have no idea how to reassure him that I’m not going to do the same. There any way to communicate that to him, non-verbally?
(Stupid question, but my brother’s slowly turning into a SWPL and my dad is being the protective alpha male father right now. Not good resources.)
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You should directly, verbally tell him that you are aware of this issue, talk it out, and promise to try your best to take your marriage vows seriously. For better or for worse until death do us part. The two shall become one flesh.
My ex wife is a product of a nasty divorce. On the night I asked her to marry me, she cried and told me everyone told her she would be doomed to end up like her mother. I said, of course, that that does not have to be true.
It turns out that we did end up divorced, but I know my ex wife is a good person inside and she tried to avoid that fate.
It’s really hard to break free and be truly different from one’s parents when it comes to that kind of thing.
My beta problems are because of my super-beta (but well meaning) dad. My dad and my mom are high school sweethearts from a small town and are still married. My super-beta dad would not get a fuckin’ phone number or date (oh, it’s called a “meetup” now–my bad) in today’s world, let alone get laid or find a wife. He would literally be a virgin.
I had a conversation with another boomer today. Even though the hippies started “free love” and led to the crazy 1970s, you boomers still got women who were, for the most part, closer to the morals of the WWII generation than what Gen X and Millenials got. That’s why I call out boomers on here sometimes. You well meaning guys are “naïve” sometimes and you really don’t know what it was like to grow up in the 1980s when the schools were already “grrrrl power” and the Gen X and younger women are just wannabe “strong independent don’t need a man ™” nutjobs. They really are. Like you boomers will say stuff like “bring her roses and write her a poem” lzozlozlzozozo as if you don’t read anything here and have never dated or interacted with a Gen X woman 38 or younger.
And I’m talking about ten years ago when the women were 25 or 28 — they were thoroughly brainwashed to think they were still way too young to get married. In sum, they truly think 35 is the new 25. That is literally true and the internet has opened a window into their minds for all to see.
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I just read an article by a woman who got an abortion because she’s too young to have a child at 22 and because she wants to travel and drink. I don’t think abortion is necessarily bad, but let’s not kid ourselves: most women who are having them are doing it because of lifestyle reasons.
I’m convinced even those who claim they are having an abortion because of financial reasons are really doing it because the financial impact of children would change their lifestyles, not because they truly don’t afford children.
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Pijama, of course. Read about the very poor circumstances of Elvis Presley’s childhood. Elvis’ mom does not exist today and “the next Elvis” is not being born today. The other kind of single mother you meet on match.com, other than divorcees, is women who had a kid younger than 27 and in every case it was an accident — she got knocked up by an alpha and is near-suicidal psycho crazy because having a kid messed up her party lifestyle and boo hoo hoo she had to grow up 6 years too early according to everything she’s been taught.
See, e.g., Casey Anthony. She was a pretty white woman in central Fla. who got knocked up in her early to mid 20s and was resentful about it. I dated a girl one time who looked like her and was bipolar just like her. They are everywhere.
Very few white women today will purposely get pregnant younger than 32. It is a sad sad state of affairs.
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Hi Grim,
It seems in this post that you have more bad words to say about your father, who raised you and is still married to your mother, than your ex-wife who divorced you because you went a little bit beta, even though she was supposedly trying her best to avoid that fate. Yes I know that people tend to imitate their parents but she had you, and your parents, to learn from. She left, and you did no terrible thing. That Makes It Her Fault.
You’re blaming yourself for not being alpha all the way thru a relationship. Damn it, that’s impossible. And initial attraction wanes after a few years, especially when kids come on the scene. The wife stays with the kids out of maternal instinct and with the man out of duty. If she shirks that duty, it’s her failure.
I thought my dad was pretty beta too. But part of it was that people in his generation just didn’t talk much about this stuff. At life’s critical moments, he was alpha. And society didn’t approve of that, to the point that he kept it quiet. Now in some sense it’s easier for a man to own the alpha things he has to do.
We’ve always had the “strong liberated woman” here in the USA. Always. Frontier women. This has never been an elegant society, we’re people who weren’t making it in Europe, so we’ve got nothing from their high society. We’re not the bottom either — they couldn’t afford passage, and the criminals (the failures at crime, who got caught) were sent to .au instead. bUT We’ve got the failures of Africa and Mexico here.. And a mix of lower middle class and academic royalty from Asia. We’ve never been a polite society. There were no “good old days” in that sense here.
Granted, I predated the “hookup” culture. But girls in my day were tough in the same ways they are now, with shit-tests etc. That part, the tricky competitive aspects, have always been there, because they are the same creatures biologically. And the solution (for our parents, us, our children, everyone) has always been to get her pussy to do your talking for you, even though I didn’t see that until later. Society put different pressures on the females, but they’ve always been females.
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Pijama, wow. I wish her many cats in the future.
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@Grim at 6 AM
(Disclaimer: I’m not a shrink.) Casey Anthony isn’t bipolar — a condition that can be treated with medication and therapy. She’s a psychopath, which can almost never be treated. Psychopaths are perfectly happy not having a conscience.
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> “I have no idea how to reassure him”
You need to be worried about YOURSELF.
In particular, you need to be worrying about whether your boyfriend will take after his mother and ditch YOU.
All other things being equal, always try to date and marry and make babies with mates who are from a long, distinguished, unbroken line of stable marriages and two-parent families.
Because the acorn will not fall far from the tree.
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I think that Zombie means “distinguished” in the sense that having intact families by itself is distinguished, at least vs. the alternatives. My version of that advice, at least, would have no problem with a hillbilly boy or girl from Appalachia if the clan has a history of sticking together and pretty much everyone reproducing.
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Wow. Just wow.
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Not being a whore works pretty well
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Cynthia,
Trite, but there’s a lot of merit in the sadly unvervalued meme of of making him sandwhiches and giving him ample BJs…
Most men will determine the above acts as proxy for commitment.
A man who can see that his golden gal thinks the sun rises and sets from his pants isn’t concerning himself about her level of commitment.
And would hence regard divorce as a quite low order of probability.
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Latest Update Email#2
Well it is not good. And it is truly erie how prescient and accurate some of the folks on here have been helping me and I do appreciate it.
Since the last update things had once again seemed to get better. She has not said a foul word to me in at least two weeks. No passive aggressive bullshit or insults. So it seemed to really get better. But the responsiveness and availability was another issue. I was observing.
Then she initiated and contacted me last night we had a nice banter fun flirty texting. I kept it short and cool. Not talk about all the shit that has been going on. No bullshit from her. She was very cool and flirty also. I put a little dominance on her. Like I am learning and she positively responded in a submissive way. Expressed her desire to be with me and then I ended it. Not giving her too much attention and leaving her wanting more. Finished with I gotta go trail biking call me when you get off of work. She lol’ed and said ok.
I did not try to contact her but she did not call or text like she agreed to. Then the next morning she did not contact me still. So I sent her a text saying lets meet at 12 to get together. Like recommended by Amy. No response. Then later in the day she texts me saying that she just got my text she was working doing a house-call. (She does hair). And that she had to go to work next. She had set her schedule up a few weeks ago ostensibly to have Wednesdays off for us to meet. But now supposedly she had to go in. But she would fit me in for a short period of time. This looked like yet another shit test. Knowing that if a woman wants to see you she will. So I waited and then I said “nah…maybe some other time” she immediately shot back, “nah??” I waited and then said “not enough time”, she then sent back “well when would you like to meet?” I asked her when she got off, and she said “she did not know she would just have to see”. At this point there was nothing left for me to do than just go dark again.
I probably should have not texted her this morning. I am having to calibrate this so carefully. But I am trying to get this right. I am being as honest as possible.
The worst part is not the walking away. I am prepared for that. It is having to sort of walk away every two days. She has initiated almost every conversation for the past week. But that is not good enough. This is truly just like the old peanuts cartoon with Lucy charlie brown and the football. Combined with groundhog day, over and over again.
I don’t even know what to ask anymore. I am exhausted and exasperated. I honestly think that if I told her I don’t want to see her anymore she would be all up my ass. I am telling you I have eliminated all needy behavior that I can think of. But it seems that I am losing ground here. As late as last Friday we had such an awesome day, the sex was incredible. And she was so sweet and effusive. Even using terms of endearment that she had never done, and complimenting me like she never had done. Even through her texts on Saturday. Then it just went to shit. What am I missing?
On another note. I have meet two prospects for possible spinning plates. One is very young 20, and cute a solid 7, and she seems to be into me. She is really nonresponsive on text from the start. My mistress was very responsive at the beginning. But seems to be sweet. We had a good coffee meeting and ended with a kiss. A little weak on the kiss. Trying to set up the next date. But she is buried in finals right now.
The other spinning plate was a 3 and fat. Total lie on her profile and pictures. I stuck it out for an hour and bolted. She was young also 25. And the neediness was pouring out of her. Just to put this into perspective. I have been told many times that I am very handsome. I am in good shape I work out and I have a full head of hair. I am not the least bit fat. Maybe I would give myself and 8. I have no problem talking with people and charming women. Making good eye contact and good body language. It is really fascinating how when you are on receiving end of the neediness. It is not so great for the receptor either.
Comments thoughts?
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> “I probably should have not texted her this morning… I am telling you I have eliminated all needy behavior that I can think of…”
C’mon, dude, within a paragraph or two there, you completely contradicted yourself.
You texted her when you got to panicking and feeling needy, but then you turn right around and claim that you’ve eliminated all neediness?
Get a grip. You’re acting like a woman, not like a man.
> “Comments thoughts?”
Are you keeping close tabs on her period and on her ovulation?
You should know those dates like the back of her hand – the day she first started bleeding, and, fourteen days later, the day that she ovulates.
Her desire for you should increase and peak as she heads into ovulation, and then it will fall off sharply after she passes beyond ovulation.
Beyond that, you might try calling her out on her mood swings.
YOU: “Jesus Christ, you’re high maintenance.”
YOU: “If I gathered together all the effort that I put into my last five girlfriends, then it wouldn’t amount to a tenth of the headache that you are each and every day.”
YOU: “God damn, I thought you already had your menstrual cramps last week. WTH, are you menstruating every week now or what?”
YOU: “Well, do you like me today or do you hate me today? Cause I gotta go change the oil in my car. TTYL.”
YOU: [radio silence]
Bottom line – grow up and become a lot more masculine – in a hurry.
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> “Her desire for you should increase and peak as she heads into ovulation”
And just in case you’re a total retard: Because that’s the way that GOD DESIGNED HER so as to maximize the probability that her copulations would lead to the live birth of a child nine months later.
So if she’s really all that, then start putting some buns in her oven, or else GTFO.
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Do you guys seriously bother to keep track of a woman’s cycle? I mean, they act differently and arouse different feelings in you based on it, so I don’t think you need to have as many calendars as girls in rotation. Just trust your instincts.
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There is water underground
There is water on the moon,
thewaterthemoonthewaterthemoonthewater…
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> “Do you guys seriously bother to keep track of a woman’s cycle?”
Your job is to know EVERYTHING about her.
To know her better than she knows herself.
Conversely, she must know NOTHING about you.
To her, you are just that tall dark and handsome mysterious stranger who shows up at random unpredictable intervals and gives her more orgasms than she has ever before experienced in her entire life before she met you.
SHE [thinking to herself]: “Who is this guy? How does he understand me so well? It’s like he knows what I am going to say before I even say it. And why have I never cum so hard with any other guy until I met him? He makes me cum and cum and cum. I want him between my legs so badly right now. WHO IS HE?”
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She’s blowing you off. You have to face reality. This happens to me too, but at least I can now recognize it right away.
Texting is not fucking. It’s not even cuddling. It’s not even being in the same room with her.
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Grim’s right. Walk away from her. Go black (i.e. no contact ever again), or if she really bugs you, just use a dismissive statement to break it off — the more cutting, the better. Make it forever, no backsliding.
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well, i’ll take another shot at this…i’ll just * the mistakes…
Latest Update Email#2
Well it is not good. [* sure it is…it’s just part of the process of learning game…savor the bitterness as that red pill is stuck in your throat…] And it is truly erie how prescient and accurate some of the folks on here have been helping me and I do appreciate it. [you’re welcome.]
Since the last update things had once again seemed to get better. She has not said a foul word to me in at least two weeks. No passive aggressive bullshit or insults. [no shit testing = she’s probably moved on…] So it seemed to really get better. But the responsiveness and availability was another issue. I was observing. [good, learn from this lesson…]
Then she initiated and contacted me last night we had a nice banter fun flirty texting. I kept it short and cool. [* should have pushed for a meet up right there…] Not talk about all the shit that has been going on. No bullshit from her. She was very cool and flirty also. I put a little dominance on her. Like I am learning and she positively responded in a submissive way. [maybe on the overt, but what about the subtext/covert status communications?] Expressed her desire to be with me and then I ended it. [* should have pushed for a meet up right then…at the very least a naked selfie…] Not giving her too much attention and leaving her wanting more. [* too much of the wrong kind of attention (which she is getting here) = bad, there is never too much of the right kind…] Finished with I gotta go trail biking call me when you get off of work.[* too much info…sounds like you need her permission…] She lol’ed and said ok. [she gave you her permission…see how that subtext/covert communication works…]
I did not try to contact her but she did not call or text like she agreed to. [did this surprise you? or was it in line with your predictions…] Then the next morning she did not contact me still. So I sent her a text saying lets meet at 12 to get together. [* after only two days?…] Like recommended by Amy. [* never take advice about women from a woman…] No response. [big surprise to you?…keep observing and predicting…] Then later in the day she texts me saying that she just got my text she was working doing a house-call. [was her phone turned off? lol…was your reaction butthurt, submissive or neutral? not many good options for you at that point…probably best to ignore the blatant lie…] (She does hair). And that she had to go to work next. She had set her schedule up a few weeks ago ostensibly to have Wednesdays off for us to meet. But now supposedly she had to go in. But she would fit me in for a short period of time. This looked like yet another shit test.[or she’s moving on…] Knowing that if a woman wants to see you she will. So I waited and then I said “nah…maybe some other time” she immediately shot back, “nah??” I waited and then said “not enough time”, [* did you get burned by the fire on that hoop while you jumped through it?…] she then sent back “well when would you like to meet?” I asked her when she got off, [* don’t ask, tell…also, if you said you were done, just stop/don’t respond] and she said “she did not know she would just have to see”. At this point there was nothing left for me to do than just go dark again.
I probably should have not texted her this morning. I am having to calibrate this so carefully. [* why? do you have oneitis for her? so what if she’s gone, get another one…this shit is supposed to be fun…and if you’re doing it right it is…get into the proper head space…one of abundance/the opposite of oneitis…] But I am trying to get this right. I am being as honest as possible.
The worst part is not the walking away. I am prepared for that. [* lol…like i said before, giving up great head and ‘baby spank me harder…you’re the best…’ is pretty tough…even from a 7 much less a 9…] It is having to sort of walk away every two days. [* that’s not what ‘walk away’ means…] She has initiated almost every conversation for the past week. [* doesn’t seem like it from the cheap seats…] But that is not good enough. This is truly just like the old peanuts cartoon with Lucy charlie brown and the football. Combined with groundhog day, over and over again. [* what changes have you made to your behavior to change the outcomes…you’re the man, it’s up to you to make the changes. HB9 just reacts, she’s the woman…a biologically hard-wired pink box…it sounds like you’re hoping that just having red pill knowledge is going to magically change your continuing blue pill behavior into a different result…doesn’t work like that…behavior leads to outcome – same behavior leads to same outcome…different behavior leads to different outcome…]
I don’t even know what to ask anymore. [* of whom? her? don’t ask, tell…da boys here? we’re giving you good advice/situ analysis…just gotta keep choking down that red pill…it takes some time, you sound like you’re doing fine…] I am exhausted and exasperated. [* get a new head space and I don’t respond to HB9 for 2 months…then ping for a meet up…that’s a new behavior change you should try…] I honestly think that if I told her I don’t want to see her anymore she would be all up my ass. [* don’t ask for her permission…] I am telling you I have eliminated all needy behavior that I can think of. [* think harder…] But it seems that I am losing ground here. [* maybe with the HB9, but not on your journey as a PUA…get your new headspace…gotta break some eggs to make an omelet…] As late as last Friday we had such an awesome day, the sex was incredible. And she was so sweet and effusive. Even using terms of endearment that she had never done, and complimenting me like she never had done. Even through her texts on Saturday. Then it just went to shit. What am I missing? [* everything you did to cause her to change her behavior…but that’s just part of the learning process…]
On another note. I have meet two prospects for possible spinning plates. One is very young 20, and cute a solid 7, and she seems to be into me. She is really nonresponsive on text from the start. [* that’s not ‘into you’…on the other hand ‘overly optimistic’ is a great mindset…] My mistress was very responsive at the beginning. But seems to be sweet. We had a good coffee meeting and ended with a kiss. A little weak on the kiss. Trying to set up the next date. But she is buried in finals right now.
The other spinning plate was a 3 and fat. Total lie on her profile and pictures. I stuck it out for an hour and bolted. [*why an hour? were you being polite…if so why? did she not have any social circle to game?… if not, proper response was (shocked expression) ‘wow, you sounded so cool in your profile, but it wouldn’t work out’…then just leave…] She was young also 25. And the neediness was pouring out of her. [*was this intriguing to you? if not, then why do you think a woman (HB9) would be diggin’ that vibe…?] Just to put this into perspective. I have been told many times that I am very handsome. I am in good shape I work out and I have a full head of hair. I am not the least bit fat. Maybe I would give myself and 8. I have no problem talking with people and charming women. [* don’t mistake beta orbiter ‘charm’ with ‘tingle’…they aren’t the same, don’t look the same, don’t feel the same, don’t get the same results…] Making good eye contact and good body language. It is really fascinating how when you are on receiving end of the neediness. It is not so great for the receptor either.
Comments thoughts?
review your behavior with hb9. assume she is gone and go dark…no contact for 2 months…then ping for a drink…if she does contact you, good, stay dark anyway…if you respond, she’s gone for good…
hb7 – don’t try to bang as a goal, practice your ‘charm’ on her (if you can get her out again) remember you’re the prize…flirt and sexualize every conversation/meeting you have – don’t ask, tell…just focus on practice avoiding being slotted into beta orbiter status…when you can identify that process you’ll be closer to your goal…
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Whoa whoa… I never told you to push for a meetup when she’s blowing you off. You should never text her ANYTHING when she’s blowing you off.
I’m trying to help you. I’ve said about three times that you’re giving her way too much, and you’re still doing it. She knows she has you wrapped around her finger and she’s jerking you around accordingly. You need to freeze her out. Remember, hot girls hate to be ignored. Hot girls who send naked selfies REALLY hate to be ignored.
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@ Amy I know you are trying to help and I got it wrong. This is all very foreign to me. The micro calibration is amazing.
@HABD thinks for the input. There is a ton to digest here. Couple of questions. What to you mean by “subtext covert status communications”?
So you are saying no matter how many times she tries to contact me I stay dark for two months? Doesn’t that sub-communicate that I do t want to see her?
And I believe I have changed my behavior a lot. But maybe not enough yet. This is the second full day with no contact.
On another front. I have two other potential spinning plates so it is looking better. I will attach a report to another post coming up.
I do appreciate the detailed information.
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@ reco
“@HABD thinks for the input. There is a ton to digest here. [yes there is…it takes a while to process the changes…and it is a process. give yourself the gift of failure…just know you will make mistakes and be ok with that…] Couple of questions. What to you mean by “subtext covert status communications”? [read more around here and at Rational Male regarding the different levels of communication going on during interactions with women. this concept is the heart of game and it’s the most difficult part for most men (at least for me it was…) to understand. basically the important content of female communication isn’t in the actual (male) meanings of the words said, it’s in the tone of voice, facial expressions, eye contact, body language, overall context, etc.]
So you are saying no matter how many times she tries to contact me I stay dark for two months? [not just 2 months, 2 months after her last attempt to contact you…] Doesn’t that sub-communicate that I do t want to see her? [yes…because you have more and better options than to have to put up with her bs…how would you treat the fat chick?…ping in 2 months to see if she lost the weight and was worth becoming a spinning plate…treat the hb9 the same…ping in 2 months to see if she has changed enough to give her another chance…]
And I believe I have changed my behavior a lot. [you’re just getting started…try to change your mindset, the behaviors will follow…] But maybe not enough yet. This is the second full day with no contact. [take the long view…counting days is ‘needy’…]
On another front. I have two other potential spinning plates so it is looking better. I will attach a report to another post coming up. [also work new potential plates…]
I do appreciate the detailed information.” [just trying to pay back for some of the help i got…minds are freed from the matrix one at a time…]
good luck…
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@HABD couple more questions.
What is the difference between the wrong and the right kind of attention? And how do you use it?
How do it get the 7 out for a second date? I think I communicated a sexual vibe pretty well…but she is very young. And I do tell. I told her to let me know when she is available via text. But have heard nothing since then. Is there something else I can do? Or do I just ignore her now?
Also there is a huge amount on here and other places about what not to say and what not to talk about. There is very little on what to talk about. I am having to change my game drastically leaving me with a lot of material that I cannot use anymore. Kind of like a vacum. What do I put in that blank space?
Oh and the counting of the days was for your benefit not mine. I was just trying to demonstrate that I am getting it.
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Even in the days of Marriage 1.0, women initiated break-ups more than men, although not necessary divorce, but they left men more than women left men.
Women have left men more often than the reverse since the beginning of time.
Literally.
Back in the days of Marriage 1.0, the Suffragettes were whining that something like 2/3 of divorces were initiated by men… sure… and that is true, except that back then divorce only affected less than 2% of the population – back when men, rather than women, benefited from divorce, the men still didn’t do it.
The men are “in love”, remember.
On the flip side, today we see that women initiate about 70% of divorces, except that divorce now affects 50% of the population.
Hmmm… so when men benefit from divorce, there is only a 2% divorce rate, or less.
When women benefit from divorce, there is a 50% divorce rate.
While the fembots point out both statistics are “the same,” (Guffaw!), it is quite obvious that society is better off with men holding the upper hand in marriage.
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Forebearance is the hallmark of our creed.
Anything that isn’t bolted down a chick will steal.
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Obviously, this only considers proximate causes of divorce. Men are ultimately responsible because we let women get the right to vote. After that, next thing you know, they got drivers’ licenses, no-fault, alimony , and the whole thing went to shit.
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This is the same kind of argument used to demand that modern whites pay reparations for slavery.
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You paid the Japanese, you paid the joos
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Once women got the fucking vote we had communism and goddamn ww1 and ww2.
It was a bloodbath.
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I’m a married man and I think this is totally true of my divorced friends. It doesn’t matter if she’s 30, 40, or even 60. Women rarely put on the husband goggles, while most of us men who are married have major oneitis and wife goggles on. This has to change. – New Red Pill husband
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> “totally true of my divorced friends… New Red Pill husband…”
Okay, but if swallowing the Red Pill means dispensing with all the pretty little lies, and being brutally honest with yourself, then you simply have to ax yourself: How man of them deserved it?
How many of them were truly masculine?
Men who stealthily and surreptitously but steadfastly ruled over their wives – psychologically and emotionally – with the power of their evil serpent’s forked tongue?
Versus how many of them were emasculated castrated manboob beta herbling losers who just gave up and walked away with their tails between their legs?
I heard of one elderly woman who actually called out her divorced son for being a wimp and a loser to all the other old ladies in the neighborhood.
I think he disgusted her.
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“How man of them deserved it?”
Thinking about this… one reason for the increase in divorce over the recent years is cause men nowadays have zero balls. That would actually make sense as it’s likely men in previous generations were tougher and the women were happier.
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Marky I suppose you could be right. Seeing the way any masculine impulses are ruthlessly squashed in my sons in middle and elementary school, by an implacable administration that does it just because it can.
Sons REALLY need their fathers these days, to give consistency and perspective and keep them from being spirituallydefeated by the matriarchy.
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I think the question that is relevant is “whether or not there has been an offspring?”
I have been doing this research the past days on polyandry, multiple male mates for a female. And there has been an explosion of new data and research into this topic to the point this is this declaration of “The Polyandry Revolution”.
The first reference I had read to this was F Roger Devlin’s essay on “Rotating Polyandry and Its Enforcers”. In this he details how women, after the birth of a child, for no reason began to feel both antipathy towards their husbands and then attraction, particularly to “sexy alpha-ish men” which led to feelings, firsts of guilt, then anger at their husbands because since “she was naturally monogamous and typically virtuous, then the failure must be his.” Here these guys were often participating in care and provisioning, yet the woman got the dry vag syndrome towards. And then this led to her beginning to rip the skin of him, finding fault in any and everything he did. And thus, 70-80% of divorces are filed by women, and the often a high percentage of those filed by men were due to infidelity or just disgust in his treatment at the hands of his wife.
Devlin describes a four year cycle from meeting a potential mate, to pregnancy, birth and growth of the infant, up until some point at 2.5 years old, when the infant is no longer a massive vulnerability to the woman, when she no longer has to carry the thing actually. Then this alienation towards her husband begins.
So I began to research this topic. And it appears that polyandry among animals, fish, and insects is so widespread, that monogamy is the thing that needs to be explained with open mouthed disbelief.
The benefit to the female is widespread. The literature mentions direct (care, provisioning, nutrients, relationships, additional help, social support) and indirect meaning genetic with reference to “good genes”, “sexy sons”, increased fertility. The payoff for promiscuity is so fucking high that it is wonder that any species is monogamous.
But this comes at a price. Sexual conflict is far higher both between males and between females, Social cohesion is lessened and in the end, care is diminished because an aggressive paternity ultimately proves the supreme element in overall fitness. And all of this comes at a price of social development and higher fitness for the group and for offspring.
There is this notion that polyandry occurs with there is higher “population viscosity”, meaning how likely is a population likely to remain in the same place, leading to highly inter-related groups with high social cohesion, social cooperation, and altruism as a function of this inter-relatedness.
So in my mind, this can explain why the data in the post can show why co-habitation might be ended by the male, where marriage is ended by the female. You assume that marriage is about children. And that co-habitation is not quite about children but more sexual, emotional, and economic reasons. And there is that awareness of the female of her short reproductive life and after she has invested with sex, then she wishes to receive the payoff of commitment (resources) so she needs to ride out the cohabitation and attempt to convert it into marriage.
But there is some deep seeded, almost subliminal and subconscious drive that compels women to cast their eye about after a child from one, and also to reject, despise, and begin to loathe their husband. Not all leave. Some realize they can not do better than what they have, yet the still abuse their husband.
There is that famous quote from Mohammed, “I have seen the fires of hell, and it is full of women.” He was referring to the maltreatment of men by their wives regardless of how well women are treated.
In the end, we are merely a vehicle for gene replication, and that behavior which leads to that end has been rewarded and hence, encoded. And despite the cost to social cohesion and fitness that polyandry incurs to a species, it still offers amazing benefits to an individual female.
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Yes that’s about right, 2.5 years and then the shitstorm begins. In my case I got an extension because by then she was pregnant with our second child.
The old adage of the “seven year itch” could reflect average behavior in the good old days of having children shortly after marriage and having two children, fairly closely spaced.
Having kids to protect and deal with makes a lot of alpha behavior impossible and a lot of beta behavior necessary. (It does also create some opportunities for alpha behavior too, and to some extent when children have success it does reflect on your effectiveness.) Some game is possible and a game mindset is necessary, but it would be so much easier to make new relationships than maintain this one.
I am doing it for the kids and perhaps also my financial investment. She still looks great too, but without the kids I would make a different tradeoff and give in to my restlessness.
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Hypergamy kicks in about the time the child doesn’t need continuous support from the mother. Happens in apes, happens in people. Child is up and running in the world = time to figure out who the current silverback is and get pregnant by him for the next one.
Grandmothers used to counter the advice “she was naturally monogamous and typically virtuous, then the failure must be his” but nobody listens to advice like that anymore and powers through until the feelings are under control and/or she’s pregnant again.
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In this polyandry model, are the females reproducing with the “new” partner? I can’t believe women are programmed to want to procreate with multiple partners… if anything it’s the opposite.
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Nature programs you to seek the best genes available. When we started holding dear the idea of pairing off females with beta males — early and for life — the development was called “civilization” and produced a remarkable increase in the amount of work beta males engaged in. We’re headed back the other way… it doesn’t take much effort for a guy to keep himself in beer and new xbox games, and unless he’s got children he can reasonably believe are his own, that’s about all the effort you can expect from most guys.
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1. Brinig & Allen: Those Boots are Made for Walking. Why Most Divorce Fillers are Women,” American Law and Economics Review, Vol. II, No. 1, 2000.
2. Kalmijn & Poortman: His or Her Divorce? The Gendered Nature of Divorce and its Determinants, European Sociological Review, Vol. XXII, No. 2, 2006.
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CH, Don’t forget to mention the ideal living situation for a guy throughout his single days. This could be a good post and beneficial to most. Better to live with some other alphas, by yourself, or maybe with some other guys that arent well known/have many friends and make you appear more alpha…etc.
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[…] Over in the comments section of a Mangan post about the possible direct health and happiness benefits of marriage, The Anti-Gnostic writes (replying to another commenter), The biggest upside for men of marriage over cohabitation is that breaking up… […]
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The beta should get paid for marrying ole carousel rider, not the other way around. It’s kind of a joke that we’re doing it like this.
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Indians pay dowries to the husband. Americans should too.
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OT: woman reshaping the world … A film about plus-size models fighting to reshape the world of fashion and the standards of society.
Because being fit and attractive is so difficult, let’s change male preferences with propaganda!
Get the harpoons!
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That picture you linked to is of some very LARGE females.
But not necessarily fat.
Some chicks are just that – big hips, big tits, big asses.
Amazonian rather than Land Whale:
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E.g., Nigella Lawson in her prime.
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Send in the Norwegian whalers.
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CH: The data — especially the “wives initiate 70% of divorces” figure — strongly suggest that the CH view is the correct one.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, CH, but doesn’t that rise to 90% percent where both husband and wife are college educated?
Moral: Keep yo’ bitch in the kitchen, where she belongs. The last thing you want is for her to be working with a bunch of miserable hatchet-faced career trolls who will go after your marriage like piranha to make themselves feel better about the cat colony they’re working on at home….
Moral: Find a girl who doesn’t speak any English and learn to like whatever kind of food they have, wherever she’s from….
À bientôt,
Mistral
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Jodie Foster marries girlfriend
The Oscar-winning actress publicly came out as gay in a speech at last year’s Golden Globe Awards.
She and her former partner Cydney Bernard, with whom she had two sons, ended their 20-year relationship in 2008
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-27136270
To her credit she did have a couple of white babies.
But will they be fucked up in the head?
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You’re black… I’m surprised you wouldn’t know about kids being f*cked up in the head when they don’t know who their babydaddies are.
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The Feminist Imperative in the military.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/black-womens-hair-and-the-us-army/nfggK/
Newsflash: If you want to be in the military then abide by its rules and cut your fucking hair.
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making it harder to separate benefits men more than women.
Are they on glue? That’s like saying being on death row is a good thing since you’ll be healthy before they kill you. Um… Considering the fact that I’m going to be raped repeatedly by a legal system so skewed against men, getting involved where any “legal” entity comes into play, is the ultimate in stupidity. I have three women that I see regularly, specifically so that none of them can claim to be in a “spouse” like relationship. I’ve seen the guy with two women still get raked over the coals – but with three that all know about each other, no one with a brain can claim that is “marriage-like” – thank heavens. That is why none of them ever stay over for longer than a night each week.
No thanks… I need women for one thing – sex. While I enjoy that, even if her p*ssy was golden it’s not worth 1/2 of everything I have worked a life-time to build. Women are a commodity – like any other, when it’s fresh and ripe it’s at it’s highest value – the longer it’s been available the less it’s worth. I like to pick a new one every couple of months. I don’t worry about the squash that I toss that has outlived it’s usefulness, why would I worry about a woman? That’s why I thank Feminists – I don’t have to feel bad about her – she knew what she was getting, so when I’m done, I can trade her in in a newer model. Making that harder and more expensive ISN’T to MY advantage in any way…
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Do they kill babies?
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Why does wordpress swallow more comments than a slut swallows cocks?
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Righteous alpha male rescues his females from the swarming matriarchy. A righteous mauling.
Watch from 2:00.
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Dont Be The Fat Chick
If you saw my comment above about spinning plates. You know that I got fooled into a first meeting with a fat but not obese pretty face, very nice but lying woman. Via an online meeting. She lied about her size via words and pictures. Such bullshit. I mean what are you supposed to do when you actually meet them and see everything was predicated on a lie? And it is staring you both in the face. This in itself is a sign of extreme neediness. The mere thought that she is somehow going to sneak herself onto my dick without me noticing her massive size.
I admit I have fucked a couple of fatties in my day. And it is always amazing to me how when you get down to the deed and have them in the fuck chamber, they do silly shit like dim the lights, draw the curtains, try to keep part of their clothes on etc. to hide their glaring undeniable flaws. Kind of like us betas, hiding our own imperfections by being nice and agreeable.
So it got me thinking about yesterdays meeting. The minute I got there and I knew this was a total waste of time. But I am polite and i toughed it out for an hour. Dont know why. But at that point I was not doing any game. I just sat there nonchalant and let her do most of the work. Trying to build some type of rapport and attraction. I talked about whatever I felt like and really did not care what she thought good or bad. I wasn’t mean or dismissive. I kind of played with little techniques to see how she would react. Amused and non invested.
She on the other hand was working hard. Needy kissing my ass, trying to engage me and really get to know me. Knowing the elephant in the room that she was in way over her head. She tried to impress me with her intelligence she tried to impress me with her work and how she was a good person. She totally latched on to everything I said and worked hard to be into whatever I was into. Totally agreeing with me like I was some kind of oracle to be worshiped.
And then sitting there I realized that. I was looking into a mirror. That I have been the fat chick. Many many times. And it was not pretty. In fact it is uglier than her physical appearance. I had done all of the things she was doing up until recently and did not even know I was doing them. This entire process has been a growth experience for me and a process of self observation. Learning reading practicing and failing and trying again. Sometimes learning the same lesson over again. A lot of it is very grueling. But this was like a light shining right into my face. i could not avoid it. So two lessons came out of that painfully awkward meeting.
1. You should date a few fatties when in recovery so you can see your behavior when you are with them. And emulate not only your behavior but the feeling of I just don’t really give a shit what she thinks. So when you are with that cute girl you will remember this. And act accordingly.
2. You need to see how it feels to be on the receiving end of the neediness hose when she is trying so suck some of your value out of you. Just so you know what you are putting out there when you do it.
Dont be the fat chick.
This is all about me. I need to know how it feels. In order to really internalize it. Any other suggestions for how to internalize the right attitude? I am all ears.
Just an observation from the recovery room.
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Great post.
And game, as I see it, is just some useful cues to smooth over awkward moments in doing whatever the fuck comes naturally to you, especially until you get in touch with yourself and unlearn your training to squash your natural self.
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Now you’re learnin’…savor that bitter red pill…
“Dont be the fat chick.” – words to live by…
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Check this girl’s excellent frame steal in a text convo:
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Heartizize!!! Good good oh so good ness newz news news!!!
Now dey can implant “da pillz” so da womenz on da caoursez carousel don’t needz no more to remember da pillzz sechule schedule. So we can be sure it’s even easier to turn der vaginas into sterile masterbaters and cum receptacles for da alphaz!!!
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/04/health/the-cnn-10-healing-the-future/?frame=1&hpt=hp_bn13
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CH, re: “How to ward off idiots: Play classical music. anepigone.blogspot.com/2014/04/do-you… ”
lzozlzlzlol and the other opposite-angle question, “Do you enjoy scratch-off lottery tickets?” is literally laugh-out-loud funny. lzolzozozll ever watch a moron with his scratch off lottery ticket? That’s probably a really accurate test of double digit IQ.
Good stuff. zlozlzozlzozl
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There is a different explanation that both fits observed reality and accounts for both datasets: that men tend to be more promiscuous than women. So, if unmarried, that means breaking up and finding a new partner; if married, that means cheating, which Biblically at any rate, is solid grounds for divorce. So perhaps some of the prevalence of female filing comes from their greater likelihood of being cheated on?
With the data you’ve supplied, we can’t claim this dispositively as a general phenomenon, but it at least seems to be a factor some of the time.
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men and women aren’t making relationship decisions based on biblical authority. cheating happens inside and outside of marriage. men do cheat more than women, but according to social survey data the gap of late has narrowed considerably.
no, i stand by the CH interpretation: women have more to gain from divorce. men have more to lose.
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“RT @bedbow: Line around the block for NYC’s first cat cafe. Over 60 people. #catcafe http://t.co/wdHGnJjRED”
zlozlzozlzlzo I see my ex GF there!!!!
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I thought they already had hundreds of Chinese restaurants in NYC
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I didn’t see a mention directly of hypergamy, but the authors are female…
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/white_working_class_women_should_stay_single_mothers_argue_the_authors_of.html
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“Lily did go out for a while with a more promising high school classmate. But then she discovered text messages with another woman on his phone.”
This whole article can be summed up by alpha fux, beta bux. GBFM to the courtesy phone.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/white_working_class_women_should_stay_single_mothers_argue_the_authors_of.html
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“Modern family law protects the interests of elite men who make an investment in their children.”
Lmao! Modern family law is such that only the elite men can even afford to marry.
Lower middle class single moms lose their eligibility for various social programs if they get married. Combine that with the decline of solid middle class manufacturing jobs for men, and it’s no surprise at all these women don’t marry.
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Funny. Last night wifey makes a comment about how MY son spilled something again (and by inference implicating me somehow with her tone). I replied with a smirk, “it ain’t my son, it’s YOUR son, go clean it up. I’m getting a DNA test to prove it too.” Now I said this as in, “no way can a son of mine spill water,” just in a joking way. But wifey got all butthurt about it. I told her to chill, but further commented that the DNA test would be done if we ever got divorced. Thinking about it, I think all men should say this before they get married, even if they think they don’t have anything to worry about. Good to plant that anti-cuckold seed early.
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A couple of years ago, I talked about DNA tests to a bunch of co-workers. Sure, a few were female but not all. My best friend there agreed with me but kept his head down, while I had to hear all the talk about, “well, if you don’t trust her, then you shouldn’t be with her” or the, “I hope you don’t actually do any of that, I’d leave you as soon as I found out!” I spoke to them of the very FEMALE privilege of knowing the child was theirs, but I also mentioned the numerous instances of children who, as babies, were given to the wrong family from the neonatal unit. We have many such cases and a DNA test could begin the steps of recovering your child. They couldn’t even grant that, so powerful was the urge to reserve the privilege and advantage they had by virtue of being women.
Oh, I did bring this up to my gf at the time and she got mad at me (since I said I would have tests done on each child) and said that “We aren’t like THOSE people!” I suppose she was declaring her love or some such. When we broke up over a (false?real?) pregnancy scare (not my decision, surprised?! lol) I simply attributed it to her losing her mind but I had real doubts. Turns out she ended up marrying the guy who she broke up with me for, and the date he put for his relationship was the very day we ended ours. Now put this with the context of the potential pregnancy and imagine had she believed differently about me or our future, and I would have had every REASON to get a DNA test. To sum it up: Women will react emotionally when you DARE question their perfect intentions and nature, but the selfsame women will end up being the ones who explicitly violate your trust and justify your initial objections or concerns. I don’t even think it’s a “doth protest too much” dynamic at work there but an unconscious betrayal of what they CAN really be all about.
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Do you have any doubts at all that you are the child’s father? That would really suck to tolerate any conditionality there.
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I believe there was either no pregnancy (I’m at 30 percent on this) or that she miscarried or aborted. Her actions proved I was right all along about DNA testing, as well as the essential blindness of women to their privilege (OR their ability to deflect and put the moral taint on you rather than own up to their own nature.) The thing is, I’m sure my ex-gf really believed we had something special and would have been hurt by a DNA test on any children we had.
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If you have kids, and you become game aware, you will have doubts, no matter how small. Like I said, ain’t worry about anything, but will test if divorce ever comes. Just a smart move regardless. Hospitals should test on day 1 in my opinion.
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One thing that may help explain it: the Pill.
Before marriage, women are on the Pill and start up relationships with beta males, and then marry them. Then, they go off the Pill to have kids, and start craving alphas. Marriage goes boom.
Men break up more premarital relationships than women because the women are drugged by the Pill into tolerating beta behavior, whereas men are under no such compunctions against dumping subpar women.
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