The defensive crouch is where female tingles are born; it’s also where leftoids are stillborn.
Mangan posted a link to a news story about Sweden acting to criminalize criticism of immigration. A commenter pointed out that the story was likely false, a misreading of the original story.
Naturally, the premise — that Swedish authorities would seek to criminalize speech to spare the feelings of the orc horde — is totally plausible, given that a number of EU countries have taken measures in recent years to do just that. But the false lede plants mischievous thoughts in the supersexy noggin of CH.
It’s no secret the forces of Light have no game in the social or political arenas. They mewl and pout and me-too and, when the heat comes around the corner, bend all the way over in impotent submission. They cede ground to the enemy like a public pool clearing out when a floating turd is spotted. At their worst, they are contemptible.
Any anti-leftoid strategy has to start with the concept of reframing. Once a leftoid has established the frame, you are not likely to get out of it without knowledge of frame-busting techniques. Therefore, you want to engage the leftoid with your own frame, because as adept as leftoids are at setting frame, they are incompetent at dodging strong frames which are used against them.
The false Sweden story shows how to do this. Accuse leftoid elites, in the style of “fake but accurate” reporting, of silencing dissent, and working behind the scenes to make laws that criminalize free speech. True or not, the leftoid will be cornered into spending valuable mental and emotional capital defending himself from the charge. Semantically weakened, the leftoid is exposed to more dangerous ideological attacks that he would in an otherwise more commanding position be able to wave off with empty slander that vibrates the vulvae of his mirin’ masses. You then outflank your enfeebled foe: “Oh, so you’re not actively trying to suppress free speech at the moment? Then you wouldn’t send to jail anyone talking about non-white immigration to historically white nations?”
Another example of frame stealing is jacking up the minimum wage well beyond what Democrats are willing to contemplate. This strikes at two weaknesses in the enemy: his liberal lifestyle hypocrisy and his “conservative” concubinage to deracinated big business.
You don’t fight an enemy at the peak of his power with squirt guns. You open the silos and launch interpsychosocial hell.

Brilliant. In my experience, lefties must be wrong footed from the gitgo–throws off their script and timing.
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In my experience, using the feminine rabbity techniques against the feminine rabbity liberals results in a scratching, shrieking, hair-pulling match, where nobody comes out on top, and everyone just likes to watch the drama without considering the actual substance of the dispute. WORL’ STAR!!! ***SLAP***
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Actually, leftoids don’t know how to handle being sidestepped (as pointed out here), directly attacked, and their intelligence insulted. They tend to degenerate into impotent spluttering.
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Exactly correct corvinus. Their entire mindset is feminine, and they’re not used to people immune from their emotional shaming tactics. Apply strong alpha, reframe the argument to your view, and press them until they start crying. Make sure it’s in front of a big audience too. We need to stuff these idiots into the waste bin of history, but fast, and that’s not going to be accomplished by being quiet and reasonable.
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agree, i have had this problem with girlfriends mostly (who wants a lefty male friend). they do not argue any points or philosophy. they’re mad i briing anything ‘political’ up, they don’t want to talk about it, and they will literally make noise to drown out the conversation. but they will bring it up themselves, and i think this is all why- they can only enunciate their values when they are framing the discussion themselves.
anyway good stuff. make them play by their own rules and then win.
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Arguing with leftoids is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can make all the right moves and win all the arguments and the leftoid pigeon will just knock over the pieces, crap all over the board, and strut around declaring they won. Then, they’ll fly away and leave you to clean up their crap.
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@ Burke
“i have had this problem with girlfriends mostly (who wants a lefty male friend).”
Yeah but the real question is…who wants a lefty girlfriend? They might be good for a quick bang but not for a girlfriend.
I just hope you were speaking from past experience and have learned from your mistakes. Women like that are poison. I can’t stand being around them. They spew filth and rage and bring out every beta behavior you ever had. You can break them but it’s too much work. Why bother.
Hell now that I think about it, I don’t think I could get past the nasty personalities and delusional mindsets enough to bang them anymore. Not worth it. I’m just too damn old for that shit 😉
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> “poison… filth and rage… nasty personalities and delusional mindsets…”
The Darkness.
I simply cannot get it up for a bitch anymore unless [and until] I first sense some warmth and kindness and basic human decency in her heart.
> “You can break them but it’s too much work… I’m just too damn old for that shit…”
This.
It can be done.
CONT.
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CONT.
But at what cost?
What if you invest years and years of your life in trying to save her, but at the end of the day, you FAIL?
And then if you think about having children with her, you have to ponder some ugly ugly shiznat: Why did she ever fall prey to the Frankfurt School indoctrination in the first place?
Why didn’t she have a moral and spiritual “immune system” to protect her from that indoctrination?
CONT.
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CONT.
And then the unthinkable: What if there is a genetic basis for our morality?
What if some people have better genes for basic human decency than other people?
What if John Calvin’s theory of spiritual predestinationism merely presaged Charles Darwin’s theory of biological natural selection by three centuries?
What if, in having children with her, you would [via her contribution to the DNA] be passing on, to your progeny, a genetic predisposition for nihilism?
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@ Zombie
Here’s is some evidence that what you say may be true.
One excerpt from the article states…”Among traits found most strongly determined by heredity were leadership and, surprisingly, traditionalism or obedience to authority. ”One would not expect the tendency to believe in traditional values and the strict enforcement of rules to be more an inherited than learned trait,” said David Lykken, a psychologist in the Minnesota project. ”But we found that, in some mysterious way, it is one of traits with the strongest genetic influence.”
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/12/02/science/major-personality-study-finds-that-traits-are-mostly-inherited.html
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@ slickwilly & Zombie Shane
so where do you find the good girls? church? is that the only option anymore? all i ever meet are liberal smartass girls with darkness in their hearts.
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The story is indeed false. What it really says is that one step will be removed for prosecution of people for insults on the internet, when the insults are directed toward politicians/authorities, immigrants and perverts. It will NOT make any speech illegal that wasn’t already. It will only make it possible for a prosecutor to prosecute without being contacted by a complainant first.
However, the law against defamation on the internet is not much to worry about. As long as you don’t falsely claim that “X has killed someone” or similar, you can’t be prosecuted. If you say “I don’t like immigrants”, “Immigrants commit more crime” or “I want immigration to stop”, that is not illegal.
Actually, Sweden has surprisingly lenient speech laws – compared to other Western countries. You can publish criticism of “the Holocaust” online, or post My Struggle, which you can’t in Germany or France.
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Proves the validity of the old adage that ‘if you’re explaining you’re losing’.
It really is true. Always try to swith to asking the questions. The leftoid can only respond with cliches which usually are easily debunked. Example: ‘So what you’re really saying is that blacks can create and maintain modern societies as well as whites? Is that it…..I could do with a laugh???
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Example: ‘So what you’re really saying is that blacks can create and maintain modern societies as well as whites? Is that it…..I could do with a laugh???
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So what you are saying is that white people can create and maintain modern societies without slavery, imperialism, racism, war and genocide?
Is that it…..I could do with a laugh???
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Slavery was suppressed by whites you stupid monkey.
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It is better to be on the offense rather than the defense in arguments.
Defense: Best case scenario, you don’t lose territory, worst case scenario, you do lose territory. (You stay neutral or you lose).
Offense: Best case scenario, you win territory, worst case scenario, you don’t win territory. (You win, or you stay neutral).
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Director
Slavery was suppressed by whites you stupid monkey.
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So who is importing all the mexcrement today?
And BTW, I am NOT stupid; I have the power of speech, AND I can read and write music.
Get around that Casper.
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The combined harvester made you redundant mah niggah. Although automation is making the lower half of the bell curve superfluous so there’s that too.
Maybe you Gypshuns and sheit should start flying again.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=438UKM1Av1g
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Thwack is all for affirmative action when it’s for blacks. When it comes to Mexicans, there’s nothing that bothers him more.
Because hispanics are taking away affirmative action slots that used to go to blacks. He considered them his.
Blacks know there’s only so much stuff that can be extorted out of white people for the less productive, and they don’t want to share that.
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“Mexicans” don’t take your job or my job.
Its a different job when they do it and you don’t want it back.
When is the last time you worked with Mexicans?
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Thwack, you’re right. I’d forgotten about all those black fizzisists who invented all the technology that got us to where we are today.
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Offense: Best case scenario, you win territory, worst case scenario, you don’t win territory.
Offense is a high risk/high reward game, compared to paying defense. The risk of playing offense is that you overreach and lose everything.
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Very good CH, this is exactly how I approach Leftists. They start whining and I throw “alpha male tells you to sit down and shut up” at them through force of personality and dismantling their emotion laden rhetoric as being worthless to waste my time on. It’s amazing how fast they do shut up when they’re confronted head on by somebody who is not afraid of them, their whining and their shaming techniques.
Dismantle their rhetoric to the point that they fall back on:
“That’s raaaaaaciiiiiisttt!”
“You better fucking believe it. Now debate me or shut up.”
Or
“That’s seeeexxxxxiiiiissttt!”
“That’s not what your mom said. Now refute my ideas or shut the hell up.”
Then when they can’t, laugh at them and mock them. Seriously, open up on them with derision. See if you can make them cry.
Cruel, yes, but these fuckers are destroying everything in their path and it’s about time we stopped giving them quarter on any subject.
Great topic CH.
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“It’s amazing how fast they do shut up when they’re confronted head on by somebody who is not afraid of them, their whining and their shaming techniques.”
I personally have found this to be true time out of number. Not sure how widely applicable it is though. Many are just incapable of carrying it off.
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I’m gonna take a completely contrarian point of view here.
Walk away from it. Let it go.
The White Left is not making any babies. They will be effectively extinct in another ten or twenty years.
Instead, take every ounce of energy which you would have wasted on engaging these Nihilists in purposeless hatefests, and instead devote that energy towards PUTTING WHITE BUNS IN WHITE CHICKS’ OVENS.
In the long run, this – and only this – is what will win the day:
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The dung beetle under their feet for millions of years beat them to the punch with the wheel. Something they failed to adopt until imperialists arrived in the 17th century.
So much for racial equality.
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exactly… also known as challenging the premise of the argument (or question). you’ll never win in a battlefield of their making, so you must make your own and draw them to it (art of war).
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Had a snotty shitlib tell me not long ago that Repubs want voter ID to prevent poor people from voting. Without hesitating, I said Democraps want it to be possible for someone to walk into a polling place and say, “Hi, I’m Juan Hernandez,” then walk down the block to another polling place and say, “Hi, I’m Juan Hernandez,” over and over again so that “Juan Hernandez” could vote 15 times in an hour because there’s going to be at least a dozen Juan Hernandez’s registered at every precinct. She had literally no reply — I shut her down, never acknowledged her point of view, or tried to defend Repubs. When a shitlib presents you with X premise, don’t even acknowledge it.
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Selling the Republican Party is a non starter.
What you want to do is side track the chicks into Lebensreform. This will eventually turn them into productive right wing citizens.
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right… ignoring also works well. reframing the argument (or redefining the “battlefield”) to put them on the defensive is the ultimate objective. whatever works to get you there. could also use agree and amplify. different tactics work better in different situations, so some practice is needed to calibrate
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I keep reading about how raising the minimum wage would reduce illegal immigration. What am I missing? I would think it would do the exact opposite, as large ranchers and farm owners would pay more illegal laborers under the table without benefits.
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Unz has claimed it’s much harder to avoid being penalized or sued for evading the minimum wage laws, which are enforced, than it is to avoid penalties for hiring illegals, which are negligible and not enforced.
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Unz is also YKW.
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It’s a flawed strategy. It will only affect those who are working legally. It will hurt the law abiding poor either by putting them out of a job, making their job even more grueling and punishing or pushing them to other locations (if a regional minimum wage is enacted).
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It’ll push some more low-paid legal jobs to the illegals.
Make no mistake, the leftists want a raise in the minimum wage. Their concerns to the contrary are a psyop.
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Shitlib: “Raising the minimum wage from $7 an hour to $12 an hour isn’t that big of a deal. I don’t mind paying more for a burger.”
You: “Explain how applying a $5 per hour per employee penalty on businesses that hire low and non-skilled workers will help the poor and won’t hurt the economy?”
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Mexican is the new black
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“Accuse leftoid elites, in the style of “fake but accurate” reporting, of silencing dissent, and working behind the scenes to make laws that criminalize free speech.”
This is what they tried to do on Bundy’s ranch. They tried to portray the BLM as some kind of jack booted thugs, and themselves as some kind of freedom fighting doggie loving free men. Although I support Bundy in his legal actions, their real actions were despicable, putting grannies and their overweight wives on the front lines shrieking like stuck pigs trying to provoke a fight with BLM agents. They were all screaming and cussing and crying and cheering erratically, with no sense of purpose. It was like Occupy WS. Occupy Bundy Ranch? Although they won, and managed to reframe the issue, they still lost respect from the quiet professionals out there who would end up doing the real fighting against the cathedral. Not these fat middle aged Inforwarriors searching for FEMA death camps.
“Another example of frame stealing is jacking up the minimum wage well beyond what Democrats are willing to contemplate.”
I have often thought of this. Create a Stephen Colbert-like persona and run for president. Troll everything. Tell everyone that Obamacare was the best thing to happen in America and then mandate that everyone purchase bibles for the greatest good of public mental health. Tell everyone that you’re forcing business owners to bake gay cakes and also forcing everyone to go to church or get their welfare yanked.
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Again there’s that bullshit Cathedral word.
It’s the Temple that pays these lifer’s their pensions. Twenty something and 30 something soldiers will do jack shit to help out the beleaguered white in America. Not if their goddamn pension rides on Temple supremacy.
I was at lecture the other night about civil rights. Some black woman asked a question about the US military banning cornrows… I shit you not she said that “black women defending the US were forced not to wear cornrows.”
She looked like a former lesbian black drill sergeant.
Who exactly is defending what? For whom? For what purpose? At least an Anglo-Saxon warband was made up of an actual people. A Commando was a band of brothers. How the fuck did America end up incorporating Native Battalion’s in the ORBAT? You can see exactly where these stinking orcs will point the rifles when they get their chance.
This society has truly gone fucking nuts. No redemption is possible at this point.
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Related,
I admit I have not followed closely the Sterling affair so I do not know all the details, but banning him for life and fining him 2.5 Million dollars sounds like what turned out to be a fake story about Sweden is already happening in the USA.
Simply for “racist” thoughts and words, simply for opinions – not for any harmful concrete action – the people in charge will punish you harshly.
It is now illegal to say you do not like blacks, gays or whatever group or sub-group the left is obsessing about.
As far as I know ( but as I said I do not know the whole story ) thanks to Sterling a lot of Black people are filthy rich. In other words many blacks have better lives MUCH better lives thanks to Sterling while not one black person was harmed physically or financially by his “racist” words.
The Sweden story was fake but hurting some demographic group’s feelings and NOTHING ELSE can now cost you 2.5 million, your reputation and carreer.
PS; If there are new developments I am unaware of, and I am wrong about this well…somebody please tell me. I have been more busy lately, have less time to read stuff/watch news. Thanks.
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Tokowitz although a big Jew is actually very pro black. He just doesn’t like lo rent niggers in his court side seats. Those seats are for high rollers.
He should make sure the mistress pays heavily for crossing him. But I am enjoying the spectacle of powerful whites realizing that “racism” is just shakedown.
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Tokowitz doesn’t see himself as ‘White’. He in fact sees us as the enemy while obviously prefering to fraternise with us than with feral black orcs.
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Irish,
Both you and I know that.
However, white men who hear Stirling are thinking “Scot”.
Plenty of actual white blokes have realized that the bell tolls for them.
The attack on Sterling might as well be an attack on a white sports fan for your purposes in de programming the fools who do practice Multicult.
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Here is a good story about it by Victor Ward, who is Black:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/my-thinking-about-sterling-has-done.html
Btw, funny how the media never mention that he is Jewish, isn’t it? They only call him White. Jews are only called Jews when they are presented as victims. Otherwise they are presented as individuals. When perpetrators, they are presented as Whites.
Now, what Victor Ward says is that Sterling actually didn’t say anything “racist”. He simply doesn’t want his (race-mixed) girlfriend to bring the other men she sleeps with to his games. The men are Black, so he names them as Black. Sorry, people don’t weigh their words perfectly in daily speech.
Of course, this exposes the Establishment discrepancy between what they say and do in public, and what they think in person.
Victor Ward also presents quotes from Sterling’s conversation with NBA commissioner Adam Silver, a fellow Tribe member. Because of course Adam Silver taped the conversation. (This is the world we live in now. The establishment figures always recording everything in order to “expose” you.)
Because things have been made public, Silver has abandoned his fellow Tribe member. However, it is clear from the tape that Sterling is saddened by the situation. And he doesn’t say anything “racist”. He simply says: We don’t evaluate what’s right and wrong. We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture.
Meaning: if the world (including leading Tribe members, and including many Blacks themselves) look down on Blacks, then that’s what Silver has to adapt to. He can’t have his girlfriend show off her Black sex buddies in public, because it reflects badly on him.
Note also this comment by David Sterling: “It’s the world. You go to Israel. The Blacks are just treated like dogs.”
He says this to Silver, and Silver isn’t surprised that he brings up Israel. Why? Because they are both of the Tribe. We are told that “Jews are not loyal to Israel, they are Americans just like everybody else!” But in private conversation bringing up Israel, the Hive, is as natural to them as breathing. Bringing up Jewish interests, Jewish concerns, Jewish living conditions, is natural to them. Yet we are supposed to pretend they are “just like everybody else” and don’t think of themselves as loyal to anything other than America.
Reminds me of the Jewish man who revealed what Judaist summer camp in the U.S. meant: they put on Israeli uniforms and swore allegiance to Israel’s flag every morning. It was all about Israel, Israel, Israel, and their own people. While they were still in America.
Who will complain about this “racism”? Of course none of the big media bosses. Because they are not Americans.
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‘Is it good for the Jews?’ That my friend is the only criterion they use. Even secular Jews that I know and from whom I’d have expected otherwise think that way. One let slip to me about ‘my real cimmunity’. By the way he was/is a fine guy if you can extract that element.
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> “if you can extract that element”
Except that you can’t extract that element, since that element is the very essence of his nature.
Which, in turn, means that he isn’t really “a fine guy” – he’s a monster who fakes being “a fine guy”.
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There are actually some good points in what you say, but you have the people involved completely scrambled. This conversation was with Sterling’s compensated mistress/personal assistant “V” Stiviano, a Tex-Mex woman 50 years younger than he is. She recorded it, and a bunch of other conversations, after Sterling’s wife sued her to get $1.8 million of their “community property” back.
Adam Silver, a Jewish man from New York, is the commissioner of the NBA. AFAIK he has not recorded any conversations with Donald (not David) Tokowitz “Sterling”.
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The lesson for whites (and I suppose Jews too) to learn is: don’t associate with blacks. If you want to hire them, as he did, in your business, that’s fine. But keep them at a distance.
It was his black “girlfriend” (what a useless cunt carrier) who betrayed him. Blacks are usually willing to screw over whites, due to their residual resentment and hatred. It’s there too often to risk close association.
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“they still lost respect from the quiet professionals out there who would end up doing the real fighting against the cathedral”
So, how’s that going, all you quiet professionals out there? Won much? How’s that “quiet, professional” fight against gay marriage and immigration going?
Give me screaming, overweight, downmarket, victorious grannies any day.
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Yup.
Await the quiet lifer waiting upon his pension!
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Perhaps you don’t realize that “quiet professional” is another term for those who are among the most violent people on Earth, who speak out and stand up for what is right in the face of any confrontation, and let their voices be heard without throwing a conniption fit?
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Yep, they’ve been real, real effective and have made so many changes in the last 40 years.
Let’s list how many things they’ve accomplished to roll back the encroachment of government on our civil liberties, shall we?
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“orc hordes”
A psych ops tip: call your adversary dimunitive and goofy names while they’re strong. Call them terrifying names only after you win, to glorify your victory.
G.I.s in ‘Nam called their enemy “gooks” and “slopes” or somewhat respectfully but still innocuously “charlie” (after VC, victor-charlie) rather than, say, “khans” or “mongols.”
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How did the slope and Charlie epithets help win those wars? Can you run that by me again please!
Those wars were strategic defeats.
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“Sir, the question was, is this your handwriting?” is two years old but it’s the funniest thing this week.
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At their worst, they are contemptible.
Rich Lowry resents that!
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Beta of the Month for May?
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Jesus wasn’t the only one to plant something in her.
Let’s hope he hyphenates his last name.
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was hoping for some “oh yeah i remember her” comments. i’m sure she was great for some period of time, back before this shit-for-brains agreed to carry her baggage to his grave
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what a slack jawed faggot
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A “personal encounter” or “experience” with Jeezus… all about feeeelings. Nothing logical, rational, or genuine about evangelicals whatsoever. It’s basically betatoid pseudo-Christianity.
And he pedestalizes her… nuff said.
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I’m a devoted Christian, these guys make me ill.
I notice all the comments are the expected nausea inducing “me too” variety. When I left my own “congratulatory” message (heh), I saw why – all comments have to be approved by the author/moderator.
I’d put my odds of getting my comment published between 0 and 0.0000001%
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The photo says it all: beta husband kept at arms distance in a half-hearted hand clasp, slut wifey gazes at the camera with a look of deflated resignation.
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This story is so hard for me. I am a hard ass judgmental Calvinist that gets right on everyone’s case for their sins. (Yes, I’ve cleared the log from my eye first.) I am softened by their marriage story, even though I think it is something that shouldn’t be said publicly on a blog. It’s not something to humblebrag about. But it softens me thinking about how I have not gotten what I deserve in life, nor has my wife, and it its looking like my kids get outta jail free for the most part too. I pray they are blessed the same as I am.
Although we have struggled with temptation, we’ve overcome those temptations, and we’ve been faithful. Keeping her barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen for 10 years helps, of course.
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Are you kidding me? They’re in counselling before getting married and he thinks marriage is a good idea?! All the few girls I had relationship with were marriage material if you have such a low standard.
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“You open the silos and launch interpsychosocial hell.”
But how do you turn it into a lay?
Never been successful in transforming a political argument into a hot fuck. Seems like they talk about silly things like dreams when they want to spread.
Wrong part of the brain engaged? Unsexy mood leads her to bring up political in the first place? Lack of good frame?
Goal is to defile a thin long-legged progressive moments after heated debate about a woman’s right to choose.
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I’ve fucked a couple of Scandinavians on the basis of a political rant or two.
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Screwing as the culmination of conflict resolution is millions of years old.
Bonobos and chimps still do it — as does humanity.
The key thing is to establish a CLEAN elegant high ground on a few critical points vs the Crystal Methodist Cathedral.
Then — when she’s reeling — go with kino to the ultimate close. The more arrogant and cock-sure that you are, the better.
In a way, blather is often a shit-test. She actually knows the stuff is crap. It’s against everything her father established in her own home.
Being intellectually pushed around is a very sexy space for XX. It’s the way they’re wired. This largely explains most of the insanity of the hive mind.
DO NOT GET SIDETRACKED into winning the debate. There is to be no debate. You launch the smart weapon and go for the close.
Always be closing. An over-awed XX mind is a smitten mind.
Big brains, big skulls and big thoughts excite the Y.
Tarzan scores again.
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They can take my life, but they can never take, my FREEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A solid agree-and-amplify I witnessed recently at an auto parts store:
Two 30-somethign male employees, a redneck and a black, are doing friendly trash-talking. I can’t completely make out what they’re saying. The black employee then mock-complains to a 50-something redneck manager standing across the isle form me that his coworker said something racist. The manager shrugs his shoulders and says “what do you expect from a klan member?”
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LOL
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What CH is describing here is the difference between a “reactionary” mindset and, shall we say, a “revolutionary” mindset. Or just intelligent mindset.
The reactionary dares not oppose the Left’s framing of the debate. The Left says “You are racist!” and the reactionary says “No no, I am not racist because etc etc etc”. The smart way however is to put the light on the enemy: “You are using ‘racism’ as a way to silence dissent. Your purpose is to make us a minority through mass immigration, so you can win the elections and get the fat government paychecks.”
Accuse the Left of not caring about the victims of crime (true). Throw crime figures in their face and ask why they stand on the side of rapists and murderers. They want to disarm the middle class? 200,000 women defend themselves from sexual assault every year by using firearms. (95 percent of the time without having to fire a single shot.) You liberals want them to be raped? You don’t care that that’s the consequence of your policies?
Or use the only Political Correctness the Right has left, “freedom”. As is usually done in the U.S. “You are trying to silence free speech”.
However, using “freedom” has its limitations. If that is the only sacred thing the Right has, the Left can turn it against you. “You must allow homosexuality, mass immigration, and TV ads for heroin, because it’s all Freedom as long as it doesn’t hurt you immediately and directly, right?”
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You even have “anarcho libertarians” embracing this logical conclusion of their intellectual retreat into Freedom as their only argument. Lew Rockwell at LRC, for example, says it is no crime to drive a car while jacked up on heroin. The police should not be allowed to stop anyone from doing that, he says. He says it is perfectly fine if millions of people would drive under the influence of heroin. Now, we KNOW that such a scenario would kill thousands of drivers and those they hit with their cars. But as long as you haven’t PLANNED to kill someone, then a behavior that is sure to lead to death is perfectly fine, according to libertarian doctrine. At least if you are an “anarchist”. (What a cool word!) If you are a “minarchist”, who wants a minimal state, it is different.
Amusingly, these “anarcho-libertarians” always evoke the Founding Fathers, and praise Ron Paul – while in other essays cursing minarchists for wanting oppression. “Even a drop of oppression is still oppression!” However, the Founding Fathers and Ron Paul were/are also minarchists. But let’s not mention that.
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Dude, millions of people are out there driving on heroin-lite opiods (pain meds, oxy, percoset, whatever). They’ve been doing it for years. Traffic deaths are at an all-time low. But nice strawman.
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The police create as many hazards as they remove, they’re there to collect rent, not ensure safety. Under liberty sober drivers would simply run impaired ones off the road, or shoot them in the head. The OUI rate would fall to 0.0, and the cartels would train dealers to keep customers safely off the road
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Dude, millions of people are out there driving on heroin-lite opiods (pain meds, oxy, percoset, whatever). They’ve been doing it for years. Traffic deaths are at an all-time low. But nice strawman.
LOL That’s “heroin lite”? Ridiculous statement. If millions would be jacked up on heroin while driving, that would be far, far worse than people driving on pain medication. But you simply call the other thins “heroin lite”, and that makes them the same? Libertarian filth are cowards who give ground to the leftists like loyal lapdogs every step of the way. You will never be of any use. “Nice strawman”? Retarded comment. How is it a “strawman” when I expose what a leading libertarian has actually said? You pretend that I am lying? Poor little boy, can’t defend what libertarians have said, so you have to pretend that it’s a lie.
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The police create as many hazards as they remove, they’re there to collect rent, not ensure safety. Under liberty sober drivers would simply run impaired ones off the road, or shoot them in the head. The OUI rate would fall to 0.0, and the cartels would train dealers to keep customers safely off the road
Your comment only shows how the U.S. is turning into a Third World state. In no other critics do establishment critics try to demonize the police, because the police don’t act like they do in the U.S. It is a specifically U.S. and Third World problem, it has nothing to do with more normal countries. The problem is not the institution of the police as such, but the establishment turning government institutions into their own weapons. But cowardly libertarian leaders like Lewpus Rockwell don’t dare criticize the socialists for turning government institutions into their own weapons, so they attack the institutions instead.
They cry “fascism!” against Marxists like Obama, who are anti-patriotic, anti-racialist, pro-immigration, etc. Ridiculous. They don’t dare use the word “socialism” against Obama and his ilk any longer, because they are afraid of Marxist terror gangs like Antifa smashing their windows at night. But you don’t know any of that, because you are a political amateur who doesn’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. You are one of those who believe the propaganda letter by letter, not one of those who write it.
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‘The reactionary dares not oppose the Left’s framing of the debate. The Left says “You are racist!”’
I like to reply: Reality is racist. And that’s it, no explanation, just look off in the distance, change the subject.
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Is there any sense in debating Statists anymore? I’ve found it’s best to just give them a blank stare and let them continue on their destructive course. It’s true that they are like women, and we all know what that means. Reason doesn’t stand a chance in an argument with Emotion. There are no rules to emotional argument.
You may think you’ve won the argument with a Statist, but really you’ve just wasted your own time. Statists will just argue in rhetorical circles until they feel happy again, just as women do.
Plus, politics is a pussy clamper. I see too many guys here adopting a sulky “damn libruls” disposition, and that’s not going to get your dick wet. Engage and subvert the enemy, don’t just stand in the corner and glare at them. Demonstrate, don’t explicate.
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You don’t debate them, you shut them down with facts, sneer directly at their shaming techniques, then turn the tables on them and get them into hysterical emotional displays. Make fools of them. The purpose is not to counter their effeminate philosophy, the purpose is to discredit *them* as individuals in front of a large audience. Discredit them, and their professed ideals won’t be taken seriously.
But yeah, one on one, who gives a shit, walk away from them without uttering a word is the best policy.
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The problem is that GOP talking points are often a complete fucking joke designed to resolve the cognitive dissonance that the nice moral white feels in his head when he looks at real blacks/browns and the fantasy that the media and official history teach us.
The GOP isn’t a reframe it’s just the Chamber of Commerce at prayer.
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“The GOP isn’t a reframe it’s just the Chamber of Commerce at prayer.” Good Christ what a great quote. Brilliant, Director.
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“The problem is that GOP talking points are often a complete fucking joke designed to resolve the cognitive dissonance that the nice moral white feels in his head when he looks at real blacks/browns and the fantasy that the media and official history teach us.
The GOP isn’t a reframe it’s just the Chamber of Commerce at prayer.”
Brilliant.
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Good Christ what a great quote. Brilliant, Director.
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Can we suck each others dicks now?
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The GOP isn’t sexy.
However a snarky blend of life reform hippy and austere fascist is dynamite.
Turning a girl onto Romney or Bush is a non starter, but there are many wonderful alternatives to these two neocons.
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“but there are many wonderful alternatives to these two neocons.”
Unfortunately, no, there’s not.
See the clown car selection on stage for the last Republican Presidential primary…
That’s the problem when principled, non-whore, non-rich candidates are …non-existent. Anyone with real charisma and strong stances would be deemed racist, isolationist, anti-immigrant, etc. Because only a person with those viewpoints would actually inspire white voters, or be able to fix this country. Think about how quickly a Jared Taylor would go down in a national forum…
And so we’ll get more Newt’s, Romney’s and Cain’s.
Hucksters and whores every one.
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I’m not talking about formal electoral politics. Sorry if there was any confusion.
I’m simply talking about deactivating the leftists as activists and voters.
If they stop sending money, stop canvassing, stop bigging up candidates, stop voting left, then that’s as good as a brainwashing. If they don’t show up to the conventions and participate in organized leftist politics it’s a net bonus for the right.
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“Statist”? Are you afraid to use the word socialist? Or do you avoid it reflexively simply because that’s what cowardly libertarian writers do, since they are afraid of Antifa attacking them? Of course they don’t tell you that, because they are afraid to speak of the Marxist terrorism openly.
“Statist” means you, too, if you admit that any form of government is needed. Just like, by the way, Ron Paul or the holy, blessed, sacred Founding Fathers. They wanted a government. And government imprisons people who don’t follow its decrees. So they were “statists” too. Why? Because society cannot work without at least minimal government making laws. Which is why no country has been without leadership. That should tell you something, that countries all over the world have followed the same route, independently of each other.
If “anarcho-libertarians” didn’t shut off their own logic whenever it’s convenient, they would acknowledge that their argument about competition leading to the most efficient result explains why nations all over the world, independently, have chosen to have a government. Throughout the millennia. For sure, less vicious than a socialist government. But a government. If no-government was more efficient, it would have been tried and won out in the competition, but it hasn’t so it isn’t.
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You’re picking the wrong fight here John Wayne. Statist simply means one who subscribes to big government and identity politics.
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cryo, I think that the people who don’t subscribe to identity politics are the ‘statists’ because you are essentially having the identity given to you by your government through citizenship. It’s comical that Americans ramble on about how limited government is best, but any sort of dissent from who the government decides is part of the in-group is a huge evil either in the form of ‘racism’ or ‘identity politics’.
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Demonstrate what? My unwavering love of state policy? No tingles there.
There has to be some way to channel HB huffpo political emotion and bust open said pussy clamp.
There have to be some magic words. Look at the shit politicians can pull with empty circular rhetoric.
Outside of total reframe only thing I can think of is demonstrate a personal history of outlaw behavior and how her precious state wants me dead.
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If you knew anything about the genesis of right wing politics in the hippy dippy life reform movements you might realize that a Flower Child is only a degree or two from some pretty interesting stuff.
Google “life reform” + righting
You’ll get some great raw material.
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Holy shit. Thanks Director. Lebensreform is loaded with tingle stuff.
Progressive politics > politics of the body > her body. Short cuts up the ass.
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It is. It was designed to get blondes on their backs for pipe laying.
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“That’s nice” usually works just fine – you’re correct, “arguing” requires your opponent to be able to use logic – which is conspicuously lacking on the left.
The only downside to essentially gaming leftoids, is that they might not leave you alone….
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Along this line, the correct way to respond to the charge of “white privilege” is to acknowledge and amplify. Perhaps like this.
Typical Shitlib: You’ve got a knapsack full of white privileges!
You: Of course I have privilege as a white man. White men built the world you live in, and should therefore receive the first benefit from it; the principal of “he who does the most work, should get the most benefit” being universally recognized, even among children.
Almost everything that makes modern life easy and pleasant was invented by a white man, from air conditioning to zoos. You name it, we made it. There are a few things here and there that weren’t invented or perfected by white men (peanut butter, apparently) but nothing of any consequence. Hell, even feminism was invented by a white man, as were all the various equalitarian nonsenses you lot like to rage about.
White men are the most productive and inventive members of society. Without us, your modern way of life would collapse. So, of course I have white male privilege. We’re the ones who made civilization and now maintain it for the benefit of all mankind.
You can carp about it, and bitch about it, but you’re not going to change it. And, in fact, you should pray that white male privilege never goes away, because if it does, your life of historic ease goes with it..
Celebrate your white male privilege and rub their faces in it. Force them to acknowledge what everyone (even the worst them) knows to be true, white men made the world a mostly pleasant place to live.
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Waaaay too long.
“Damn right – ain’t it great?” would work far better.
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“It’s a privilege we deserve”.
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A privilege is something a more powerful person GIVES a less powerful person.
So,
who GIVES white people white privilege?
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Thwack you stupid fucking Gollywog!
White Privilege is a sociological theory that suggests being white has implicit benefits that go un noticed because they are a baseline normative state.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(social_inequality)
The stupid enthnomasochistic cunt who cooked up this crap sandwich misused the word.
If being white is a biological lottery win I agree. All the evidence shows that whites have hit a sweet spot in the sweepstakes.
It’s not a construct unconsciously lived. Whites didn’t out compete everyone else by sleepwalking through history.
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Director
If being white is a biological lottery win I agree.
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What is “being white?”
What is the FUNCTIONAL definition of “white person?”
What must a person SAY and/or DO to FUNCTION as a white person?
And you know I got a follow up so you better bring your “A” game because that plate glass window is right behind you.
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White people are 8% of the world population.
What if white privilege is really affirmative action?
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Super try-hard, man. I’ve never actually had anyone celebrate and compliment my white skin like that, but how about: “Yeah, high IQ and good looks buy you a lot of privilege.” And if someone calls you waycist, respond in a genuinely wounded voice: “Why do you hate white people?” I guarantee they’ll start qualifying themselves.
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It’s worse than that. Everybody has air conditioning, transistorized products, cars, all these things that white men made. Now because of our history of success, they want to handicap the current generation of us so that others get a greater share of our next contributions.
Screw them. Of course racism is increasing. White men have had enough of this shit.
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White men have had enough of this shit.
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oooooh Im skeeerrrdddd!
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We know you’re scared, thwack. We can tell.
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Can you tell when a sheep is black?
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“Accuse leftoid elites, in the style of “fake but accurate” reporting, of silencing dissent, and working behind the scenes to make laws that criminalize free speech. True or not, the leftoid will be cornered into spending valuable mental and emotional capital defending himself from the charge.”
Sorry, but that doesn’t work any more. If anything, the leftoid will actually ADVOCATE criminalizing “hate speech” (with her as the arbiter of what constitutes such), and point out that the rest of the world (including all the enlightened provinces of the Third World) does not buy into our hegemonic Western concepts of open discussion. Witness Sen. Markey of Mass currently pushing legislation to have the DOJ compile a report on the extent of such as well.
Conservatives need to stop waxing eloquent about “free speech” and “First Amendment” and hit back, HARD! We need to become more belligerent, and if necessary, violent (after all, how do you think the Left achieved all its objectives?), and take a stance along these lines: “No, WE will tell YOU what you can say!”
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensreform
What you have to do is understand that Leftie whites are a hairsbredth away from being SWPL rightists.
A nudge or a push away from conversion.
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extend Roe vs Wade rights to terminate foetus all the way thru to the 72nd trimester or till they leave home voluntarily.
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Argue with leftists? Don’t.
If they insist on talking, go for the reframe, but speak to the observers directly. Don’t pay your opponent any attention.
Leftist: “BUT WHITE PRIVILEGE!!!”
You, addressing observers: “Did you all know… That white people are only 8% of the world population? At what point are we considered endangered?”
The opponent doesn’t matter. Ridicule him. Dehumanize him. As others have said, make him cry. The goal isn’t to win him over. The goal is to influence onlookers. They’re the ones who need to be made to ask questions. Speak to them, and they naturally relate to you.
“This beaver-toothed goon must not know that white people are a world minority.”
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I would like to reaffirm this message. One should not expect or desire to engage with libtards and leftits in a “conversation”. One needs to address the onlookers, the audience, with facts, such as that whites are 8% of the world’s population, as mentioned, or that 90% of slaves went to South America, or that 90% of inter racial crime is black on white. You must talk past your antagonist. If you MUST talk directly to him or her, then your first question (don’t entertain their questions at all) should be “why do you live in an all white neighbourhood?” or ” how diverse is the school your children attend?”
I was talking to a ;libtard a while ago, and without rancour (he was a paying client) I pointed out,that since he was 38 and in a childless relationship then no matter how progressive his views, since most people who share his beliefs were childless or had very few children therefore his values would be held by no-one in a generation or two. He had no answer to this.
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Dealing with leftists is dealing with people in a stern religious cult. Anyone who transgresses the commandments of leftism is verbally shamed (with violent rhetoric) and ostracised/shunned–part of outgrouping.Violence (aka stoning) is acceptable as well to them, and the violent are classified as “heroes who just went a bit too far” (Bill Ayers, Al Sharpton anyone?).
I fear if leftists must be stopped, they can only be stopped either by a bullet to the head or else a severe de-programming as we do to cult members (e.g. isolation, logical arguments, plenty of time for reflection without leftist influence, etc.)
One hallmark of all leftism True Believers is the inability to think beyond the next step. (I’m not speaking of the manipulators-leftists, the ones who use the b.s. to get paid/power without actually believing in it—Clintons, Kenndeys, etc.). One way you can tickle the rational part of their brain is to ask them about an issue, what the first step should be, and then ask, “What will be some of the bad effects? And what will happen after that?”
Force them to break down their ideas into discrete chunks, and then demand to know what the next chunk will be–and what the negative effects of their ideas are. Keep pressing them if they try to hand wave this off–tell them that all ideas have tradeoffs, what would be the bad effects of their ideas. Also push hard for their ideas on what should/will come after.
The leftists I’ve done this to have only two responses:
1) Violent anger and hatred.
2) An awakening.
You’re tickling the part of the brain their cult has covered up—the part that hasn’t worked and has been muted for a long time (or, in the case of blacks, ever). The most strident zealots often (though not always) are so precisely because they’re trying to atone for doubting the cult–like those old Puritans who, despite ostensibly believing in predestination, made a show of being holier-than-thou, to “prove” they were saved already, all the while secretly paranoid they had glommed onto an illusion.
This is akin to physical therapy on paralyzed legs. The pain and difficulty you’re causing them will often be blamed on you–“Why are you doing this? Why are you trying to hurt me?”—push past this delusion. You will soon after know whether they want to walk or remain confined to their wheelchair of delusion. Those who want to walk, however, will leave the comfort of the wheelchair that blames their inability to walk on others.
Bear in mind that those who hate you will hate you forever, and try to have the cult burn you at the stake or stone you to death (either metaphorically or really). But those who show how to work their legs…may stretch them and move away from the cult, and towards the truth.
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You little whore. Great comment.
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You are the Whorefinder General
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Why can’t you white people be honest and admit there is no difference between people who say they are white?
You guys share the same goal; the argument is all about the path to get there.
Many of these white liberals make more money, live and work in whiter, better places than you do…
Their white strategy is working BETTER than yours yet you still wonder why you’re not more popular?
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You guys share the same goa
—Ah, ni66er-‘noia rears it’s hilarious head.
Just more evidence of your low IQ there, subhuman.
Rape!
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You see it from a purely narcissistic POV.
The SWPL is effectively crushing the white working class to death. Long term, that means the end of civilization.
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I agree that arguing with leftoids is an exercise in futility. Practically all liberals have fragile egos and hysterical tendencies, and it isn’t possible to be rational with them when discussing conservative political views because they have invested so much of their hyper sensitive feelings in the delusion that everyone is equal.
I’ll admit that I used to be stupid enough to argue with lefties, but this was long before I realized that leftist beliefs are a product of hyper sensitive emotions combined with an inferiority complex.
Like you said, the best way to deal with leftoids is to mock them.
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Well said.
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Mock the white knight equality males? sure. If you want to waste your breath.
For a woman, making her suck your cock after you pull it out of her stretched out liberal ass is more fun.
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“[I]nterpsychosocial hell” is my new euphemism for…
some human guess for me….
c’mon now, say it with me….
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Bad French plays?
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Paul Weston was arrested for hate speech in England for reading Winston Churchill’s statement on Mohammedism.
The lefties are trying to make it so you can’t talk about anything they don’t want to hear.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/30/you-heard-it-at-bni-first-and-now-there-is-national-and-international-outrage-over-libertygbs-paul-westons-arrest-in-london-for-quoting-winston-churchills-remarks-about-islam/
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” jacking up the minimum wage well beyond what Democrats are willing to contemplate”
For the most part, I’m in agreement. But that bit is dumb and easy enough to counter.
You: “Well, let’s just make minimum wage $50 an hour then ( a common and predictable Republican straw man)”
Them: “Well, glad you agree it should be higher. Obviously not something ridiculous. But a fast food worker should be able to at least afford to eat the crummy food they sell.”
You: ” But, but….”
Them: ” Gas to get to work is around $4 a gallon, they mostly get only part time shifts so employers can screw them out of benefits like insurance. By the end of a short shift, they’ve basically worked just to pay for getting there, lunch, and home again. That’s on the threshold of slavery when low wage retail and fast food are some of the few jobs available.”
Sorry, the anti-worker, anti-poor side of popular conservatism is not a winning argument. When it would take an employee working over 100 years non stop to make the same as their bosses/CEO’s (a real statistic for fast food and retail), then you can’t paint the poor worker as the problem.
Saying otherwise just makes you sound ignorant and out of touch with the reality of most Americans’ current experience in this economy.
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These economic conditions are ripe for revolution. Agreed with defy thing you have pointed out.
The GOP is toxic.
It would be better to get to working class whites and their identity. And also look out for them as people.
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I’ve been saying that for a loooong time. The GOP has pushed working class whites needlessly towards the Dems by being anti-worker.
Pro-amnesty/immigration (flooding the market with cheap labor, driving down wages), not offering a reasonable healthcare solution for working poor, not driving the system towards “workfare” instead of welfare through desperately needed public works/infrastructure development projects, taxing the middle class out of existence instead of taxing the rich like Eisenhower did, bailing out big business and banksters with money from the same taxpayers that got screwed by them in the first place…
The lost opportunities to reframe and steal issues is endless.
But that’s what happens when you’re whores for lobbyists and muslim collaborators like Grover Norquist.
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Yeah, if you use a stupid argument, you lose.
Here’s a better argument against minimum wage: “a minimum-wage part-timer costs fifteen thousand bucks a year. How much does a robot cost?”
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Realistically, the minimum wage is pointless if not tied to inflation.
We pay either way. You either force a living wage that employers have proved they’re unwilling to pay even when they have the money… or you end up subsidizing the Walmarts of the world through safety net programs.
Look up the stats on their workers on food stamps alone…
Myself, I don’t see the value or good sense in subsidizing Walmart billionaires. If they want to help kill domestic manufacturing jobs by filling shelves with peasant, slave and child labor produced third world products, the least they can do is pay their people a living wage.
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I find that the “agree and amplify” technique works well against lefties. Knocks’em for a loop when they are trying to shame you.
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This reminds me of the pro-abortionist leftoids, I always counter their bullshit by saying, “You mean to tell me with the myriad of birth control options we have given women they still fuck it all up and need to murder an unborn child?” The other one is when they say abortion is needed because of rape, to which I respond, “How many rapes result in a pregnancy? Enough to justify the mass slaughter of millions of the unborn?”
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The first thing to do when arguing with a leftoid is to establish that equality, tolerance, and empathy are not virtues. In the case of equality, it’s not even based on reality.
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This is excellent. Equality in particular needs to be questioned and interrogated. It’s easy enough to win this. In all circumstances Equality results in genocide. See Communism. Another example is Islam. The Dar Al Islam resulted in the end of classical civilization.
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Should all newborn infants be treated equally?
Or should some infants be treated BETTER than others?
And yeah I got a follow up so you better make sure they’re no plate glass windows nearby.
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Ah, thwack ol’ boy… up to your old Chomsky-lite tricks again?
All babies are created equal… make no mistake… thereafter, however, one’s mileage may vary.
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Sweden, and most – maybe all – of the EU has these laws. So does Canada. “Hets emot folkgrupp”, i.e. roughly “trying to stir up anger against population group”. Broadly interpreted. In the last week, somebody got arrested in the UK for publicly quoting Churchill critisising Islam .
And yes, framing is crucialy. When somebody advocates a minimum wage (incidentally Sweden DOES NOT have one) I ask: “So, you think it is fine that somebody whose work is worrth less than X dollars per hour should be FORBIDDEN to work???
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I still have a question:
1. Where the f*ck do white people come from ???
-the first homo sapien occupants of Europe were black: Grimaldi Man
-all hominids come from Africa and as such are/were black – even Neanderthal who is shown as white but with absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever.
-yes, homo sapiens out of Africa mated with Neanderthal, but even if Neanderthals were white (which they weren’t) that low percentages – 1-4% is not enough to make a black population white.
-the white are blacks who were trapped in as ice age and were vitamin D deficient and therefore became white theory is false.
—Whites only came about 5 t0 7 thousand years ago: evolutionary changes take hundreds of thousands of years ……..not enough time for black to become white through natural selection.
— Eskimos, Siberians, et al who have lived in Nordic ice age like extremes for thousands of years range from yellow, to tawny, to even brown – but no WHITE.
Therefore, who the f*ck are white people and where in the hell do they come from ????? Modern science must know the truth and are clearly hiding it.
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When God saw there was no man to till the earth, He created Adam.
(note that this verse appears AFTER it is already mentioned that “other” men were created)
Some say the root Hebrew word for Adam means “to show blood in the face”, but not being a Hebrew scholar myself, I defer to others.
There’s your answer… although I just KNOW you were hoping to insinuate the “Yakub mad n166er scientist” gambit as the creator of whites.
Your revolution is over, Sambo… condolences… the spades lost.
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