COTW winner (“WINNER”, not “And the COTW goes to…”) is Just Saying, who recounts his journey from beta widget to enlightened love maestro.
I always find these type of “awakening” articles interesting, although I wonder how anyone can have taken so long to awaken to female psychology. Long ago, when I was in college guys would chat about this, with no women around of course. Because what women would say was diametrically opposed to reality – and they were so dedicated to saying one thing and doing another that I came to see all women as schizophrenic on this issue, and simply NOT ABLE to see their own responses. Of course, that didn’t stop me from using it to my advantage. I actually tried to see how “bad” I could be before women would jump-ship and found that such a point doesn’t exist. The worse I got in my behavior, the more they would try to appease me, and make me happy. I never hit them, and that is what made me realize that nothing you do is “too bad” for a woman, when I saw one with blackened eyes apologizing to the guy who did it.
It became pretty obvious to see that to live well, you need to be as selfish as you can be when it comes to women. Now every now and then you have to do something nice – and it will floor them for the next year and you can treat them like dirt. Cheat on them, pretty much do whatever you want. But you NEVER want to treat a woman “NICE”. I’ve had women comment – “You treat all of your friends so much better than you treat me.” And I respond – “That’s because they are my friends and you’re my lover and wouldn’t want it any other way.” I am brutally honest – but they cannot see they are their own worst enemy. Of course, I also never keep them around for long – although some of them have managed to make themselves so useful that I won’t willingly kick them to the curb – how can you veto a woman that actively brings other (younger) women to your bed? When one woman tells you – “You can have every other woman you want – as long as you’ll still see me.” She has pretty much handed you the keys to the kingdom – and it is HARD to be mean to her, but if you aren’t she will leave. Every time I wake up next to her and want to tell her she is my ideal woman, I catch myself and remind myself to do something mean instead. That is against my nature – but it is what she needs. And since it benefits me, why wouldn’t I do it? So when she tells me, “You can have every other woman.” I’ll respond with something like, “And some times that means I want to enjoy them, without YOU!” Just so that she knows she is there at my whim – and that keeps her always trying to keep me happy. And that seems to be what women need – to keep her man happy – but she needs to see she never succeeds – as when she succeeds, she’ll grow tired and bored – and this is the death of her excitement.
But I love women enough to treat them like dirt. It can be hard to get your head around – but it’s like quantum mechanics, it doesn’t have to “make sense” to me, I just have to be able to use it to my advantage, and that is all I need.
To all the women and white knights who shrink in horror from this ugliest of truths about female romantic nature: Customer complaints can be filed with your biomechanical maker. I’m sure your letter of protest will be received with earnest consideration.

My girl was texting on her iphone and I ripped it out of her hands and spiked it on the ground. She got pissed off, I said fuck you. I said I’d get her another phone just so I can smash that one too. She started crying and I laughed.
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To all the women and white knights who shrink in horror from this ugliest of truths about female romantic nature: Customer complaints can be filed with your biomechanical maker. I’m sure your letter of protest will be received with earnest consideration.
God sez, “It’s ‘I am the Lord thy God’, not ‘I am the Lord thy Broad’.”
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DE-SOULZED EBERNANKIFIEZED STUDENT LOANZZEZ BUTTHEXZINGZ:
Desperate for work, college grads become nannies
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3151932/posts
Ashley Newhall of Philadelphia has a law degree and a master’s in agricultural law, and she passed the bar in Pennsylvania and New Jersey…
Parents, said Newhall, are “blown away. They’re like, ‘Oh my gosh! You’re the most overeducated nanny I’ve ever had’…”
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That’s retarded, and it happened only in your retarded imagination, pinbun.
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Hilarious, VRW. 😀
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Wow, what a swell guy. My fucking hero.
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It’s not just about being mean. It’s more about being playful and always letting them know you don’t take their opinions seriously and you don’t give a fuck whether they like you or not. This is a better strategy for most guys who are not natural alpha bad boys.
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Yeah that’s a better frame and modus operandi than this COTW. This guy admits that he’s going against his own nature to refrain from doing anything nice for his woman. Why live like that if you enjoy doing nice things for your woman on special occasion? It’s just another form of suppression/repression and it’s unnecessary. You don’t have to be a total raging dick to your LTR. And cheating is dishonorable behavior, sorry. I don’t trust a man who cheats on an ‘exclusive’ LTR. Have an open relationship if you want, or don’t. But let’s leave the dishonesty and dishonorable behavior to contemptible butthurt women.
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Exactly. We are superior to them in all ways. Don’t become them.
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Steve, why are you such a lame white knight? Right now I am roasting a chick over open fire, and she loves it. Clearly it is her instinct to want to be treated badly every day. It shows her I am an alpha. Now excuse me while I go and poke her with a pitchfork.
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ever time i read the word “honor” in the sphere i take a drink.
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Okay, so you’re the guy who’d insist on always doing missionary position because you like it and “it makes you feel more connected”, regardless of her need to sometimes get pounded like a bad poodle?
How is that nice?
It’s not about actually cheating or doing anything dishonorable. It’s about her knowing that you have the option. She needs to feel like she is at your mercy because the raw truth of the matter is that she is, and if you don’t recognize, you’re going to be uncareful with her heart.
Men who don’t know their power over women are not nice, not gentlemen, and extremely selfish. They just don’t know it because they’re brought up by their man hating mothers to be bad caricatures of women (read “narcissists”).
If you want to be nice and don’t give a damn about being useful, functioning, and desired, carry on. If it’s all about you then well…You’re just a different kind of raging dick.
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Nicole – your lack of reading comprehension befits your generally repulsive cuntiness. Doing nice things for a wife/gf on ‘special occasion’ is a good thing. My much younger, feminine and submissive LTR could tell you that. But you wouldn’t know that. You lack the capacity and the gender (intellect) to understand the balance a man must maintain between knowing when to tell a woman to shut the fuck up, and when to offer a gift of kindness – a gift of love – with no expectation of return receipt.
You obviously don’t have a boyfriend or husband. Clearly nobody wants you, or you’d get it. Take your vapid self-loathing and orient it before a mirror.
If nobody wants you, and you projectile vomit ignorant suppositions at someone like me (simply because I advocate ground-level ethics and a willingness to be in an LTR resulting from abundance of opportunity) – well, as an Eastern philosopher said: if I don’t accept your ‘gift’, to whom does it belong? It belongs to your bathroom mirror. And no, it ain’t adding 15 pounds. That’s just you.
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@Steve, well there ya go…a total raging dick who can’t see a woman’s needs because he’s too busy being self righteous. Anyone who challenges this is an enemy, not someone who is trying to help using non ass kissing language.
Here’s a clue: “open relationship” = pussified male who’s okay with his woman or women running around shagging everyone else. This is a man who’s afraid to own anything.
Polygamous is more dude. Unspoken polygamy is shady, but still more dude.
This is just one of the indicators of how you’re selfish and don’t know it.
I bet you feel really magnanimous on those special occasions. There’s your return.
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Now you’re just nonsensically contradicting yourself. How boring.
All your bizarre leaps to conclusive assumption are false, and typical of deranged, projecting, solopsistic chick ‘logic’.
Fortunately for my woman, she gets to experience the joy of submission. Because I get it. I get it without being a more-abusive-than-thou faux-alpha caricature.
You will always have your rumpled E.L. James novels, soaked with the stench of your putrid queefe juice.
And for the love of all desperate female readers everywhere, please don’t resell those tattered tomes on Amazon.
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@Steve, when you’ve calmed down, you’ll realize that nothing I said warranted the reaction you gave.
Instead of wasting keystrokes calling me silly names and making assumptions about my life, you could perhaps check yourself. If the label of “dick by another name” does not apply to you, then it would be simple to say that it doesn’t. No need to get your panties in a wad.
Seriously. You argue like a girl. Fix that mess.
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> “a total raging dick who can’t see a woman’s needs”
A woman’s one and only need is to experience the supreme pain of pushing living kicking screaming babies out of her birth canal, to be followed by experiencing the ecstasy of the endorphins flooding her body immediately thereafter.
Everything else with women – everything which doesn’t involve making, birthing and raising children [and grandchildren] – is just a pointless exercise in tedium, fatuousness, nonsense and bullshit.
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What Nicole is saying is right. A woman wants to be owned completely, through her soul and essence. That requires a man with the right understanding. It can happen in a monogamous relationship, and some people find it easier to develop within that framework.
The woman’s soul can be captured using CH maxims and so called Red Pill ideologies, despite many of that knowledge warning against monogamous relationships, it can still flourish there.
I think it is straightforward what Nicole is saying, most of my close interactions with females confirm it to be accurate.
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Steve — you have to learn to discount everything Nicole says.
She considers herself some kind of expert on male / female relationships. And yet, she’s an immensely fat, immensely ugly negress who is about as undesirable as a woman can possibly be.
Taking game advice from her is sorta like taking military advice from the Italian Army.
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ZS: women do not have a biological urge to procreate, they have a biological urge to have sex. The whole having children thing is a societal construct that was implemented a fucking long time ago in order to get people to create more workers to do shit.
“Everything else with women – everything which doesn’t involve making, birthing and raising children [and grandchildren] – is just a pointless exercise in tedium, fatuousness, nonsense and bullshit.” – what is it about child-rearing that leads you to believe that it too isn’t just “a pointless exercise in tedium…”
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Jesus Christ, who unleashed the morons onto this blog?
Purposeless fornication is the “societal construct”.
Making babies with the female of the species is what Mother Nature intended for us to be doing with our sexual plumbing.
Seriously, is this shit intended to be tongue-in-cheek?
Or is Axelrod now sending his “B-Team” to this blog?
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Your idol Mother Nature didn’t intend fucking shit. Where do you come up with stuff like that? Evolution occurred as a result of a chemistry that just happened to have circumstantial luck in its favor. Nothing more.
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“Your idol Mother Nature didn’t intend fucking shit.”
True. Fuck her and her bullshit imperatives. There is absolutely no plan.
Do whatever the fuck you want. And keep your dick wet.
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Do you wank highwy in Womb?
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Cease your dissembling, knave! My fair maiden desireth nothing beyond my chivalrous acts of courtship!
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*tips fedora*
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I think the response you were looking for was more along the lines of:
“It doesn’t matter if this is effective – a real man would never act that way. A real man would do xxx and never expect a reward. A real man is the type of man that a quality woman would go for – not the low class skanks / dumb bar girls / tatted up losers / insult of choice that go for guys like this.”
It’s far to easy to see the results – deny those makes you look crazy.
Claiming moral superiority at least isn’t instantly disprovable.
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Good sir, I concur. Why just a fortnight ago I brought a maiden out for wine poured into the goblet fashioned of dragon scales from the dragon I slayed just for her hand in courtship…and she told me I was a noble knight…woe is the bad boy for he may spread the legs…but he has to deal with brutal words like douche and jerk…while I am constantly soothed by her sweet voice calling me “nice.” I win!!
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As daft as this is, it allows the meanest guys to be pretty beta, or completely braindead in other ways too.
Sat behind a couple on the bus the other day, the guy was one of the typical “arseholes” in my area, (average height, early 20s braindead, drug dealer, could hardly string a sentence together besides “U wanna fite? I’ll bang u out” sorta stuff), on the bus with his gf. She was pretty attractive, not as much to me but other people would consider her “hot” etc.
He’d obviously done something wrong as I saw him giving her a pink glittery “I’m sorry” card, curious I peeked over to see what was inside as she was holding it open while reading.
“To my dearest prettiest princess, I’m so so sorry for what I have dun and I promise I will never do it to u ever again
I luv u with all my heart and u will always be my princess forever if u will have me. Lots of luv [guy’s name] xxxxxxxxxxx”
Paraphrasing a bit there and I’m sure it had more “sorrys” and “princess” in that, but it almost made me feel sick at how wimpy it was heh. No idea what he’d done, probably cheated or something. She read it and looked a bit embarrassed but said ok and gave him a kiss on the cheek.
The next month I saw them still together, he was shouting at and hitting her (in public), as well as trying to fight anyone else in the vicinity. Seem them since too, still together..
I completely realise and understand that if I did something like that (not that I would), it would be shown off to ALL her friends (probably put on facebook too) to be laughed at, then I’d end up dumped the next day in whatever rottenest way she could conjure heh.
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So true its almost painful to read.
I hooked up with a girl last summer and continued hanging out with her afterwards. Around 6 months later she told me she “loved me”. Funny thing was, I’d only taken her on one(1) date through out the entire six month period. Any other time I saw her it was after 11pm and all we did was f*ck and pass out. Sh!t, I didn’t even offer her any skittles.
I can attribute most of my success with her to the 2/3rds rule. Worked so well she even sent me a text a week ago telling me “so I know you work a lot and don’t always have time for sex, but if you ever want just a bj I’ll give you one anytime… I just like making you feel good”
God damn, thank you CH.
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Just want to point that this is the recipe for stalkers too. You date a girl, you don’t have guts to break up, so you act like a dick and she gets addicted.
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Yes, but you have to be careful what it does to you.
I acted like this commenter once because I was pretty much in the shit. I actually took a hammer to her prized dresser and smashed it to bits before her eyes….and was rewarded with a blowjob.
But I didn’t like who I was becoming outside of her. Snarly, angry, never satisfied–getting what you want by being dirt only makes you more empty inside.
Women truly are the bane of men’s existence.
Well, besides blacks.
Rape!
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“Yes, but you have to be careful what it does to you.”
An unexpected statement I can agree with! 🙂 If you have to treat a woman badly for her to respect you, leave her. Its the only way she’ll learn. Mature men and women ought to be able to behave themselves without need of such behavior.
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Don’t talk with your mouth full of my dick.
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If you have to treat a woman badly for her to respect you, leave her.
Sounds lonely. And celibate.
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You’re right. But, celibacy is good for you. Like vegetables!
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See? That’s what I was talking about a few comments up.
Thanks for the immediate example.
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Me? Happy to help 🙂
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Mature (…) women. =))
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LOLOL
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Just Saying: “Of course, I also never keep them around for long – although some of them have managed to make themselves so useful that I won’t willingly kick them to the curb – how can you veto a woman that actively brings other (younger) women to your bed?”
whorefinder: “getting what you want by being dirt only makes you more empty inside”
Something tells me that, collectively, the “Total Fertility Rate” [total # of live births divided by total # of bitches used abused & discarded] in these situations is trending down pretty sharply towards “0.0”.
Either you nihilists start putting some buns in these ovens, or else you better be prepared to witness the extinction of the White Race and the death of Western Civilization.
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Serious question, here: is it possible for Zombie Shane to comment on an article without EVER ONCE using the phrase “buns in the oven?”
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What is it with you and all this pride toward continuing this species? These notions you have are all rooted in societal brainwashing that’s been engulfing you since you were born.
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Well “Squaredown” is definitely a Jew who was sent over here by Axelrod & Sunstein.
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Who the fuck is axlerod and sunstein?
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George Washington didn’t put any buns in the oven, he just helped win a revolution. I agree with commenter your focus on babies misses the point it would just be throwing more slaves to the system unless something was a catalyst first.
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If you have to treat a woman badly for her to respect you, leave her.
Or better to not start in the first place. If asshole game has to be off the scales to nail her she could be more trouble than she’s worth (unless she’s over a 9, but I find > 9s to have more pleasant personalities on average).
Of course, all women need some level of asshole game, the real question is how much for which type of chick.
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The precipitating problem is that what is sexually and romantically arousing to women competes with what women need from men for the long-term stability of any children they might have. it’s a strange joke nature has played on the unfairer sex.
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The precipitating problem is that what is sexually and romantically arousing to women competes with what women need from men for the long-term stability of any children they might have. it’s a strange joke nature has played on the unfairer sex.
The policy question then is what is the best way to minimize bad female decision making while realizing that it can never be 100% eliminated. How can their innate reproductive desire for danger and stability simultaneously be channeled to productive ends on average, even if there will always be hopeless individual (head)cases.
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CH’s comment is spot on and illustrates why we need law and social mores to encourage marriage and family, one man, one woman, nuclear family, as opposed to actively encouraging “no fault” divorce and “single moms” as we now have.
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Also, anyone remember that p.o.s. film Spiderman 3? Absolutely awful. It was, however, sneakily redpill.
In the film, Spiderman (Tobey Maguire) gets possessed by the Venom black suit and starts acting like a total dick in his Peter Parker life as well as when he’s Spiderman. The entire middle section of the film is dedicated to how much of a asshole Peter becomes.
And yet, as a result of such dickishness, Peter starts getting everything he wants. He demands higher pay/regular work from J. Jonah Jameson, and Jameson caves. He loses his previous slut gf (Mary Jane is a big ho in these movies, if you watch carefully) and hooks up with a younger, hotter blond model who’s the “It” girl of the moment—and rubs it in MJ’s face. People start treating him with respect, chicks start checking him out, and his confidence zooms to the stratosphere. His life turns from shit to gold–all by being a dick.
Of course, the entire 3rd act of the film is Peter “realizing” how bad he’s been and “apologizing” and “making up” for it. But it doesn’t jibe with the reward structure the film presented for “good” and “bad” behavior.
I think Sam Raimi is secretly on the red pill, but needed to please studio honchos/media by having asshole Peter turn around and become a “nice guy” and go back to the old slut he used to bang. So Peter “redeems” himself by becoming nice again to fit the PC-story arc—and yet , if you’re paying attention, it’s clear that being a dick gets you way more happiness.
Rape!
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Yeah, I’ve noticed something similar about 40 Year Old Virgin and What Women Want — guy turns into a dick, gets what he wants, but we’re treated to blue-pill snowing at the end.
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whorefinger, the only part people remember from Peter Parker’s “dick” phase is him walking down the street with that ridiculous walk, thinking he is the coolest guy in the world, flirting with every girl he sees, and they all think he looks like an idiot.
The lesson from that is – when people say “all you need is confidence” it’s just something they say to feel good and get online applause. If that claim was true, then I know some idiots who would be scoring every weekend, but who instead have a reputation that keeps all women in the pub far away.
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lmao. Go back and watch the movie, bub. Yes, it’s painfully bad acting (e.g.James Franco has said that, while he loved making the films, he thinks his own acting was very poor) and what not, but check that middle section.
The lesson is not merely confidence, although that plays a large part. Parker truly is dickish to his bosses and gf (rightfully so) and he’s nailing a chick who looks hot, making money, getting respect, and feeling good. Message: being a dick gets you good things.
Just because you don’t remember it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Throwing something down the memory hole doesn’t erase it. Don’t be such a left-winger about the past.
Rape!
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Oh, I remember those things too. And I’m no left-winger. I was saying. The only thing people in general remember – and the only thing people care to remember – is that part where he is walking down the street looking increasingly bad the more exaggerated his behavior becomes. “Remember” here is not literal.
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i don’t remember that from the movie. i remember chicks looking at him with horny interest as he strutted down the sidewalk. anyhow, whorefinder is right about the barely hidden moral lesson in that movie. badass spidey got the money, the girls and the power. niceguy spidey got mary jane’s promise not to be too slutty.
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Memory hole rape!
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same thing with Filth.
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100% Bullcrap.
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This girl had been acting cold to me for a while as I’d been supplicating to her. I finally decided to let her have it and put her in her place. Finally I seemed to be worth her time as she suddenly seemed to care so much about getting on my good side. I got tired of arguing so I started supplicating again hoping to resolve things, and all of a sudden she lost all interest in talking to me at all.
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I should add that I was thinking about Chateau Heartiste the whole time and observing how the whole interaction made sense in terms of what’s taught here. I guess the best way to end an argument and get an angry girl to like you is to tell her to STFU and come talk to you when she’s chill again.
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Reminds me of the experimental nature of some of my dates. Like the time I kept taking this gold digger (she one-upped my 911 by telling me her ex had a Ferrari) to a the same cheap restaurant and waited to see just how overt she would get about telling me to spend more on her. It got pretty overt one time at her place. I left and never went back, having had enough of that fun.
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Maybe if you kept refusing to spend money on her, she would’ve seen you as totally alpha and given you constant sex. Did you ever overtly tell her to STFU and that she hadn’t proven herself worthy of your money?
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Wether you can pull this off depends on your and the chicks personal background. If your assholery doesn’t match who you are on the inside girls will notice and they will use it against you. Gotta be careful with smart girls and the ones who have higher self-esteem if you’re faking it. With those it can be better to be a bit nicer in general than to appear too inconsistent in your faked dickishness. Also differentiate between simply not caring and caring enough to fake (unnecessary) asshole-behavior. It always works better if actual carelessness about her feelings is the driving force behind your behavior. Nothing trumps sincere sadism, though.
Also: http://oi57.tinypic.com/zoj1jb.jpg
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High Risk, High Reward.
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Not all women need the same degree of asshole treatment to get the ‘gina tingles. Know your limits and don’t punch too high above your weight.
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My opinion, based on observation, is that almost all (basically heterosexual) women need a straight up asshole, just different kinds.
If you’re the more principled sort who doesn’t cheat or like the circus in the bedroom, you should feel more free to be controlling in the day to day activities. Have her hustling for your approval one way or another.
We cry about this the way that more honest subs cry about their new bruises. It’s a form of indirect bragging to other women and Gay friends about how well we’re being kept in hand.
They commiserate, but are secretly jealous.
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Well said. Or as Shakespeare has it: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
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If I were her father at that football game, and I saw that mother fucker yank my little girl’s hair like that, then I would put the mother fucker in his grave.
Literally.
Also his wingman who was filming it.
And any of their frat brothers who laughed.
In. Their. Graves.
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Don’t be whiteknighting.
First comes a beating for HER for hanging out with such lowlife scum. An asskicking for the ages.
Remember our resident snowflake.
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I left out beating my little girl to a pulp because I was afraid that the kkkomment would get so long that it would go to the LIFO stack for 72 hours.
But OH HELL YES she would have welts on her ass for hanging out with those mother fuckers in the first place.
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a bun in the grave?
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The lesson is getting what you want doesn’t make you happy i.e King Midas, etc.
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It is, though, a step in the direction of finding out what it is you really want.
You don’t know what you really want from a position of weakness and deprivation. You just know you want something, and your desires can be externally controlled through desperation.
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Too much drama for me. It definitely works but it doesn’t appeal to me. I get annoyed by them when they get that desperate for me and then I don’t want to bone them anymore lol
I tend to just have some good times and if she gets bored she can move on, no biggie I have others and can get more. I rarely break it off with a girl, I let them go boyfriend up or whatever but they know they can always txt me if they want to start it up again. If they start to get too attached I just see them less and less and wean them off me, but I don’t run into that these days because I don’t give off an “I’ll be your boyfriend” vibe right now. I’m very clearly only for sex lol
It’s a very passive lifestyle where I just do my thing living my life and girls come and go in it, and I just enjoy them and the moments we have when they’re around. Nice and drama free.
I know guys who live like the OP describes and it just doesn’t look appealing to me. No white knight shit, everyone can do what they want, but it doesn’t look like something I’d want to do long term.
The OP’s technique also depends on her personality type. A lot of girls love the drama but certain types will back away from it. Generally those ones kind of self-select, weeding themselves out of the running, though. And that doesnt mean those girls are better or worse. Every guy has a different level of drama he can put up with lol
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Shit, I think I had a better point to make but I’m still drunk off wine and pussy from last night lol Lemme try this again:
This tech definitely does work, but it’s not the only way to get the same result. If you dig deeper into what exactly the technique is doing, you can boil it down to basically keeping her in a state of uncertainty about how much she means to you and/or how easily you could replace her if she steps too far out of line.
So it’s not that she’s necessarily responding to the being an asshole part…she’s responding to what being an asshole indicates (that you could replace her and she isn’t the center of your world).
But you can create that same effect in a “nicer” way that isn’t so chaotic and drama-filled and generally negative. Mystery’s freeze-outs are a good example. When a girl has LMR, the way to disarm it is to take away good feelings until she gets with the program. You COULD tell her “get the fuck out” and spray her with a garden hose and that’ll demonstrate “get with the program or I won’t make you feel good feelings anymore”, but you could also simply turn the lights on and idly check your E-Mail completely calm and unreactive, which causes the same “get with the program or I won’t make you feel good feelings anymore” result that she needs to feel.
It’s similar to parenting…some parents yell at their kids and smack them around and stuff to get them to mow the lawn, and ya that can work, but it’s feeding an overall chaotic energy. An alternative to that is the parent/teacher/principle/role-model/etc. who can just look at the kid and shake their head and say “You know, I’m really disappointed in you…” and that shit cuts to the kid’s SOUL and he mows the lawn out of his own embarrassment/guilt over letting that person down.
Both methods result in the lawn being mowed, and both demonstrate to the kid “if you don’t mow the lawn, I’m going to give you bad emotions”, but I prefer the less dramatic method.
The catch, of course, is that the lower drama version of all this is a lot harder to do. It’s easy to bitch a girl out and make her feel like shit when she does something wrong the same way it’s easy to smack a kid around for not mowing the lawn. It takes a lot of self-control and solidifying your frame to NOT get super reactive and to command enough respect from the girl/kid that when you look at them with that look of “you know you’re pushing it right now…”, they willingly shape up and get with the plan.
Like the girls I’m with are alright with me hooking up with other girls or their friends etc. but I don’t have any of the chaotic drama this guy is describing because I’ve worked on my vibe/frame enough that girls simply know they probably can’t win me over and the best they can do is offer as much value as possible and I hope I’ll let them stick around in my life. But they’re in those same “he treats me okay but I’ll always be secondary to his close friends, they’ll always be more important than me” and “if I step out of line I won’t get to feel good emotions anymore” zones that the OP’s girls are in…I’m just achieving that result in a much more chill good-vibes fashion.
Not sure if any of this makes sense lol I’m just word vomiting now, I need to sleep lol
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YaReally,
The more I read you the more apparent it becomes to me that your pursuit of pleasure is not, at its core, a celebration of life….But, rather, an escape from it. I believe you lack genuine self-esteem and you choose the women in your life based on their ability to help you carefully cultivate a pseudo-self-esteem, to fabricate an illusion of value that you do not own and of a happiness you do not feel.
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Totally disagree with your assessment.
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> “pursuit of pleasure is not, at its core, a celebration of life”
If it were a celebration of life, then a little baby would come squirting out of the woman’s birth canal nine months later.
Every time another ovulated egg gets flushed down the toilet, yet another opportunity to give birth to a child is lost forever.
Purposeless fornication is a celebration of DEATH.
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A quick point about LMR… Psychologically speaking, people get into thought rhythms, where they basically repeat the same thought over and over again. So ur in a chicks bed making out with her yet she wont let ya close the deal, shes thinking yeah hes ok but im not there yet. The way to get out of this closed loop is to do something different. Create motion and change scenery. That will change thought patterns. So get up without telling her and go into her living room and watch tv. Most likely she will follow you(create new motion) and wonder what you are doing(change mental state). You can also raid her fridge or look for something to eat. Or even go call a buddy or something. Or if you saw a book in a bookshelf go grab it and start skimming it.
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@YaReally just posted a comment that is now in moderation that echoes some of what you say here with a personal experience. Check it out when it comes online.
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@Pluvio
lol shit you got me. As soon as girls leave I lay on my bed in the dark listening to sad music and contemplating the emptiness of my life before I start to cry into my pillow and then shake it off and drag my inner sadness over to the next girl hoping she doesn’t catch a glimpse of the darkness behind my facade.
@anon
“The way to get out of this closed loop is to do something different.”
Agreed. I’m not versed in NLP but I believe they call it a “pattern interrupt”. There’s a great video of Derren Brown on YouTube where he’s doing pattern interrupts on a guy to repeatedly have him hand over his wallet keys etc. it’s a weird little psyche glitch but it’s really interesting to see and understand.
A lot of getting into state (for newbies especially) is interrupting their own patterns. So they go out and they’re inside their heads thinking about how things will go wrong and how the girls will hate them and the bouncers will throw them out and angry boyfriends will appear and everyone’s watching me standing here being lame with approach anxiety etc etc and they don’t approach.
Then they take right action and force themselves into warm-up sets or self-amuse by purposely getting rejected or doing social freedom exercises (basically embarrassing yourself or doing something that will get attention on you to teach your brain that nothing that bad will happen if you be extroverted) or taking physical action (Alex from RSD would have his students squirt lime juice in their eye, or you could do the Tony Robbins “arms over your head shouting Yes” stuff (change your physiology change your state), or even just leaving the venue for a bit for some fresh air or heading to a new venue entirely).
Once you shake yourself out of your current thought loops, you can reset and replace them with new loops, but you have to snap out of it first with a sudden change in what your brain is expecting you to do.
Same thing with LMR like you say, a freeze-out is basically taking her out of her unproductive thought loops and resetting her brain so you can get her on more productive thought loops.
In movies when you see someone panicking and the other person slaps them and is all “get yourself together, man!!” that’s the same concept. People instinctively understand how this works but when you actively consciously make an effort to use it you can do some pretty cool/freaky shit lol
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Urban Dictionary to the rescue:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lmr
That’s actually a pretty good entry which someone submitted.
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I agree. Being an angry asshole can be effective but still betrays a reactionary frame. Indifferent to her moods and whims is where I’d rather be.
Once you stop caring about things you can have anything you want.
And Zombie Shane, stop pushing your baby making agenda, it isn’t going to take. No red pill man with any sense wants to bring a kid into this fucked up world. Yeah, all I have to do is spawn a few white babies and the world is saved! Give me a fucking break. The only thing men have left to gain from women is purposeless sex and you want to take that away to serve your misguided agenda.
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“The more I read you the more apparent it becomes to me that your pursuit of pleasure is not, at its core, a celebration of life….But, rather, an escape from it. I believe you lack genuine self-esteem and you choose the women in your life based on their ability to help you carefully cultivate a pseudo-self-esteem, to fabricate an illusion of value that you do not own and of a happiness you do not feel.”
This is the sort of shit people try to guilt you with when they see you living life on YOUR terms and making no apologies for it. Oh, he must not really be haaaapy, he’s just hiding behind a veneer of satisfaction but he doesn’t have what WE have. Whatever the fuck that is, lol.
Life is whatever I or YaReally wants it to be, not what YOU tell me it should be.
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Hey brother I love what you have written. I went back and looked at some of your archives. Very helpful. I am a recovering beta of advanced age and read your call to action to the 38 yo dude. There was a lot of really good stuff there. I am getting some help from the more advanced brothers on here. Unfortunatley I am not always able to post on here. Sometimes my posts or reports just do not make it for some reason.
Any other advice for an older 50ish man trying to choke down this red pill would be greatly appreciated. How do you get to the point of having your women constantly wanting to please you? And with the chill good vibes fashion?
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> “No red pill man with any sense wants to bring a kid into this fucked up world.”
If you’re anti-natalism, then either:
1) You’re actually blue pill, or
2) You’re not a man.
Anyone with a pair of gonads between his legs, who doesn’t [or who refuses to] understand what the extinction of the White Race means for the future of the human species, is a prissy little cunt who might as well never have had any gonads between his legs in the first place.
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@Reco
Glad you found it useful!
“Any other advice for an older 50ish man trying to choke down this red pill would be greatly appreciated.”
I don’t have anything specific offhand I can say except that you have a LOT of time left. Don’t listen to people who tell you it’s too late to make drastic changes in your life or your way of thinking and viewing the world. If you’re still taking care of your health you could have another like 20 years. That’s the equivalent of most guys’ entire “love life” (their main dating and having relaionships and romantic experiences happens from age 15 to age 35).
Are you going to pick up 20yo poon at 65? Probably not, who knows, but you could easily be spending the next 20 years meeting and dating some solidly attractive 30-40yo chicks. Are they all gonna be perfect? No, people have baggage when they’re older and even without the baggage you’d have to still screen for fun positive upbeat girls who bring value to your life (even if your dick stops working and it’s just “I like hanging out with this girl, she has a good energy and we make eachother laugh” or “sure she has a bunch of problems in her life because she’s 30+ but she’s a sweet girl underneath it and doesn’t expect me to deal with it all or fix it, and she likes to cook delicious meals for me”). The whole “every girl is perfect and flawless” thing is a Disney lie. You just find people who generally offer value and appreciate the value you offer, and you spend time with them and appreciate eachother, and that’s a pretty fulfilling life.
The other big thing is that when you’re older it can be harder to rewire habits and mindsets because you have 50 years of attachment to those things. But you can do it if you actively work at it. I used to be super pessimistic and negative in my overall outlook before I got into PUA. But I actively did those Tony Robbins positivity challenges and spent a year or two really consciously working on finding the silver linings and reframing things in positive ways and now my default view of life is happy and positive and the people I interact with, whether they’re friends or just quick little interactions, gain value from my positive vibe.
The last thing I’d say for an older guy is that it’s worth working on. You only get one life. Even if it took you till you were 65 to get this handled and you ended up croaking at 66 and all you got one one year of living your life fully on your own terms and experiencing the type of relationships that give you value rather than take it, that’s a good fucking year and will make up for whatever bullshit you’ve been thru under the blue pill. There are days where I wake up with a cute girl curled up to me after we had a fun night together and I think about how my life would’ve ended up if I hadn’t swallowed the red pill and worked on this stuff and I just grin and chuckle to myself because even a year of how I live right now makes up for all those years I wasted under the blue pill when I was growing up.
Living one year on your own terms is better than living a lifetime under everyone else’s.
“How do you get to the point of having your women constantly wanting to please you? And with the chill good vibes fashion?”
When you learn to truly enjoy offering value, other people instinctively want to reciprocate. The secret to life. 🙂
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@Zombie
Still waiting on that money you’re going to send me. CNN says it costs $250k per kid. Soon as you send me a million bucks I’ll get popping out kids for ya!
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Were you banging little fisties on the wall before or after you typed that?
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Anyone with a pair of gonads between his legs, who doesn’t [or who refuses to] understand what the extinction of the White Race means for the future of the human species, is a prissy little cunt who might as well never have had any gonads between his legs in the first place.
Hear hear.
Anytime I hear some sad sack talk about he (and sometimes his wife as well) voluntarily going childless because the world is soooo bad, I just want to smack him/them up alongside the head.
@Zombie
Still waiting on that money you’re going to send me. CNN says it costs $250k per kid. Soon as you send me a million bucks I’ll get popping out kids for ya!
Sure, if you’re beta, it may cost more, but most of that is based on complete BS and faulty assumptions.
To put it another way: does it cost an African, Muslim, or Latino $250k to raise a kid?
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“Were you banging little fisties on the wall before or after you typed that?”
How’d you know I call your girl “little fisties”?
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No. Women are the reason your pseudo-self-value exists. The sexual act to you is not a celebration of your efficacy, but evidence of masculinity, the amelioration of an unknown despair, a defense against an ever present and indefinable anxiety … an escape from ennui.
We’re not even the same species, man.
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@pluvio
You lost me at amelioration. Smaller words plz, I’m not too smrt.
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You’re smart enough to use burn phones.
And smart enough to never let your whores learn the true street address of your crib.
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Some great words in above posts YR, cheers.
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Of course women respond to the tactics in the OP. They are tactics designed to let her know — constantly — that she can be replaced with ease. The problem is that those tactics probably aren’t the best way to do that. Once you get to the point where you can start just adding value for the sake of adding value, your life starts to change and your life just passively lets her know that fact. So you can let your personal guard down a bit and be generous from a place of strength. That’s the ultimate result of having total abundance.
I’m not saying I’m there yet. Now that I (or anyone else really) can score chicks using ‘game,’ the next step is just working on all the other shit inside. The bad societal programming, the bad habits and insecurities. I think this stage is where the OP is, too. Scarcity appears several times in the article: if you don’t do x, you will lose them. It sounds weird, but this summer I kinda want to take a break from chicks and just do some work on myself.
@cryo
Pretty sure men took on the burden of fatherhood in worse times than these. If you need some motivation, know that I fully plan on having at least 3 kids.
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And how about we give some good examples for:
“Every time I wake up next to her and want to tell her she is my ideal woman, I catch myself and remind myself to do something mean instead.”
Just curious for some good ones
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You have a sledgehammer, don’t you? And she still has her eyes closed and her head on the pillow, doesn’t she? She should know better than to let her guard down.
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whorefinder: “getting what you want by being dirt only makes you more empty inside”
Will: “examples for… something mean…”
I’m with whorefinder.
There is no question but that these techniques work, but do not kid yourself when you start heading down that path: You are playing with some seriously Dark Voodoo here.
Black Magic.
Proceed at your own risk.
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I sleep with a gun under my pillow. Long, long time ago, I learned that when a girlfriend first figures this, “hug, what’s this”, maybe just wants to be edging into the expected female lib horror of guns, I just cut of debate with, “this isn’t woman business”.
At first, they look at you in stunned silence, as if you punched them in the mouth, a guy has never said something like that to them their whole life. Ideally, I guess, it is delivered almost absentmindedly, maybe while you are checking email, etc.
Anyhow, I sort of stumbled into that one accidently, and after they get over over their socially approved horror, they actually really did it (“oh, I feel so safe with you”, which of course ya gotta tell them you aren’t doing stuff like this for their benefit). But again, you really actually have to believe stuff like this is true to actually pull it off, and I’m guessing 99.95% of the guys who make up 99% of the guys in this country (pussy cube dwellers who went hs->college->cube) can’t pull this stuff off because they fundamentally are just chix with dix and have to resort to all this game bs to try to fake it. But I suppose faking it is at least resistance to borg
Of course, I also live for the moment, and has only happened a few time in my life, that a woman asks me what the initials on my tattoo mean and I tell her:
U Suck My Cock
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Jarhead Game?
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Bingo!
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THIS.
Upping the testosterone, growing some balls, and becoming a MAN.
“Game” is just a tool.
A tool which can be used for evil, and then the ovulated eggs get flushed down the toilet, month after month after month, until the poor whore goes barren and childless forever.
Or a tool which can be used for good, and the ovulated eggs get fertilzed and come to rest in the placental wall and nine months later, Big Daddy watches as L’il Momma pushes out another child to be welcomed into the family.
Good.
Or Evil.
You decide.
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ZS: you’re a fool. You are so brainwashed into “being a man” and “having children” that you don’t even realize the futility of your existence (and yet you criticize the futility of the beta male). Newsflash: your genes will be wiped off the face of this planet some day, never to be in existence again. So go ahead and give yourself pep talks about how being a man matters but just know it’s all just so your little ego can prosper
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Fuck off Jewboy.
Go back to Scarsdale and suck Lloyd Blankfein’s cock.
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lol Something about Squaredown’s pseudo-existential rants seems oddly familiar to me…
…oh, yeah.
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Excellent phrase.
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Idk…I don’t think I’d enjoy a beej with a little judeo-military-industrial-banker peen in my mouth. Oh well, to each his own
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OT, but: what an absolute delight it is to read the comments and not have to listen to a sermon from Matt King, or suffer through the endless yapping of his lapdog Greg Eliot.
Did CH ban these clowns or what?
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OT: George Michael making out with Elton John on a parade float in Provincetown would be less gay than the spectacle of sheer vanity at the Kentucky Derby.
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[…] By CH […]
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I don’t disagree at all with what Just Saying is saying. His observations are 100% correct. After jumping back into the dating game after a 15 year marriage and LTR, I had re-learned some hard lessons about how fickle and hypergamous women can be.
But honestly, I don’t have the stomach to run a super tight game maintain a LTR. After a few weeks, I drop the alpha facade and show my nice/romantic beta side and let the chips fall where they may.
If she loses interest, then she’s not worth it. And I have a few side girlfriends to fall back on anyway.
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If you’re not comfortable with slapping bitches up when need be, the least you can do is gauge her receptiveness to physical abuse when you first bang her to find out if she’ll turn on you or not. You can also do this when you first kiss her, which is what I would recommend you do first. I’ve perfected this shit after some trial and massive error (i once had a girl pull a knife out on me in the kitchen, but she was psycho).
Anyway, what you do is right as you’re making out with her, you give her a light choke grip on her neck as you tongue her down. This won’t work too well if you’re kissing her softly or pecking her. Leave that shit for the betas. If she’s still making out with you, you got yourself the green light to keep pushing. Next, you turn that light choke grip, into a more intense grip and you can toss her hair behind her ear for a sensory overload effect. You do this intense grip like you mean it, almost to the point where you can feel your hands imprinting on her neck.
Now, some girls will say, “Wow, did you really just choke me?” with a devilish grin. That’s when you know you did it right. Every now and then you’ll get a girl who pushes your hand away and says, “What are you doing?!” Just play it cool and say, “I thought you were adventurous, that’s all.” But keep at it and don’t get discouraged the first time. If she stops you too many times on this, then you can rest assure she has was probably sexually abused as a child or she doesn’t find you attractive enough. It’s usually the former, so just get the bang and dump that headache from your life.
After you get the green light on both grips, you have a very good chance that the girl you’re about to bang is down for some abuse. To really seal the deal and know if she’s receptive to pain, you will have to slap her while you bang her. Get her in a missionary position and again grip her neck as you slide in and out. She will now extend her neck as far as possible indicating that she’s yours to take. Now, you don’t want to suffocate the ho and kill her, unless you’re on the verge of necrophilia (i kid i kid). But, you do want to make sure she feels some pain.
After she has made herself vulnerable, you will go balls to wall and give her a good slap. It could be a light slap, to gauge her reaction but it shouldn’t matter too much by now. After that you can pace your abuse and go hardcore towards the end.
You can also pull her hair while banging her doggy-style but that’s better after missionary.
This one girl loved it when I would slap her face with both of my hands at the same time. By that I mean, I would clap my hands together while her face was in between the clash. Her face would look like a tomato after a session but she liked it so much that even when I broke it off, she still want to see me from time to time. Seeing this girl in person, you would have never guessed she was into such abuse but that’s women for you.
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Some girls do need it, it turns them to sweet girls. I don’t have experience on this in the long run so let me ask something: when you’ve been brutal regularly for a while with a girl, does she still want/need it? I feel like once you’ve kicked the bitch out of her, brutality isn’t going to be such a big thing anymore.
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My experience with this is limited because I can’t say most of my girlfriends have been bad. Most have been sweet, good natured girls, but I noticed all of them enjoyed some slight abuse(really light slaps or/and some light choking). Maybe you can push the limits and find that there are none, but treating other people like shit isn’t something I plan to do if it’s uncalled for, let alone being abusive towards those that are sweet towards me. If I was to date a woman that pissed me off routinely, I’d probably be more abusive.
And yes, she will still want it. The thing is that I think our sexual desires are rather plastic, although within limits, so you can train girls to enjoy this or that. If you make her cum only when you treat her badly, she will grow to crave that(especially since most women seem to crave domination).
It depends on what you mean by want/need it though.
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> “…I can’t say most of my girlfriends have been bad. Most have been sweet, good natured girls…”
And how many live births have you gotten out of these sweet, good natured girls of yours?
Every one of their ovulated eggs which gets flushed down the toilet puts them 28 days closer to spending the second half of their lives all alone in their apartments filled with cats.
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ZS, when you will pay my child support, I will consider your ideas on how I should have children.
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Ok, I was asking about hard cases who needed a brutal punishment to feel better afterwards, but it seems like you haven’t run into a case like that. That’s good news in a way.
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You adjust to her ovulation cycle. On her down time, (when menstruating) you can go straight to pounding with little to no physical abuse. Some girls like to “make love” at this point but to each his own.
Anyway, right before, during and a bit after ovulation, you ramp up the abuse for maximum benefit.
Abuse will only lose it’s power if it isn’t congruent with who you are. So don’t backpedal at all. Women fall in love with guys who abuse them but only do so sparingly. Also, this should be common sense, but don’t pimp slap a girl whenever you feel like it. It either has to be done in bed or in measured doses when she has fallen out of line.
I remember seeing an interview with a pimp and he had his hos so screwed in the head, that every time he raise his hand to make a point, they would involuntarily flinch at the motion. As if they expected to get hit.
There was also a study on this with dogs. They found out that dogs loved their masters much more when love and abuse was mixed in. This was followed by strictly love (which will often lead to a lost of respect) and strictly abuse (which will lead to an unhealthy amount of fear). I’ll try to post the study if I can find it.
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“you have a very good chance that the girl you’re about to bang is down for some abuse.”
They are ALL down for abuse. Every single one. There is no such thing as a good girl.
No one knows the horrible depravity of women better than a woman. She knows beyond a doubt that she more than deserves every bruise and mark you give her. Searches her whole life for the alpha who will put her in her place.
Starts in her teens. Some friendly “wrestling” on the floor. Let her feel in control for just a moment then flip her on her back, pin her, sit on her chest, grab her wrists and laugh in her face as she struggles to break free. Make her think you really will spit in her face while she’s helplessly pinned. Wreck her pussy for the encore.
When she’s carousel in her 20’s it’s choking, biting, slapping and punching. Anywhere but the face, so that of course means slap her face. Leave bruises everywhere else. Huge red marks on her ass. Bite marks on her shoulders. She’ll show them to you and say, “look what you did.” Always wreck her pussy to finish. She will link your aggression to the expectation of sex at the end. Punching is alpha foreplay. Dinner is beta.
In the LTR make everything random. She thinks you’re going to kiss her, pinch her hard. She thinks you’re going for a playful slap on her ass, punch her arm. Scare her in the shower. Whack her ass with a wet dish towel. Poke her with your dirty fork. Snakebites while she’s just about to fall asleep. Punch her in the cunt. Alpha can do no wrong.
Random cruel aggression should outnumber “nice” at least three to one. AT LEAST. Do not ever listen to what women say, about anything, EVER. Her words are disinformation bullshit. She wants a wet pussy and she will be a slave to whomever can make it happen.
You don’t have a romantic side. That shit was forced on you by progressive media and women who wanted to shittest ruin you. This includes your mother. You think your mother wants you to bring some dumb cunt flowers and take her out for dinner? FUCK NO. Your mother wants you to rule the world and everyone in it. She wants you to take what you want and never apologize for anything. But she’s a woman, so she will never tell you this.
Fuck nice, fuck romantic, fuck good. Women despise these things. They want a man who TAKES above all else. They selected abusive alphas over thousands of years because this world scares them and they want to know that you are scarier than anything they’ll ever encounter “out there”.
Embrace every aspect of this so called black magic. It is your birthright. The dark path is the only path. Stray at your own risk.
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Yes my Lord.
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also, spit in/on pussy
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Say that with a Martin Hannett produced backing track and sing it with Ian Curtis’s voice.
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Discussed this very recently, and I recognized myself in his comment. I did somewhat of a social experiment, to see too, where the line was. First I wanted to see how attracted she would become, as I upped the asshole game. Then I tried to find out what was too much for her. What did I have to do to make her run away? Never got to that point.
“Are you some kind of psycho? I’ve never met someone who treats me like this”
“No one ever fucks me like you do, you’re so dominant”
“I wanna be your little whore, treat me however you want”
Blew my mind the first time I tried it
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I’ve had similar experiences. What did you do specifically?
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There is a clear link betwixt female submissiveness and their ethnomasochistic habits.
If they submit to the man in their life, they don’t tend to seek out cultural enrichment and self flagellation for the sins of the father down to the forth generation.
Kick their arses a few times and they soon get the hint. You can even sweeten the pot with the Lebensreform.
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I guess my friends and I growing up were just stupid. Sure, we noticed that the girls we wanted to date always blew us off and went out with this one guy who had a reputation as an abusive asshole, but we never figured out that all girls are basically brain damaged.
I really owe a lot to my wife for showing me the way on that, truthfully. It turns out I was born to be an abusive asshole, and it’s in my blood, but I had it totally repressed, because that’s how I was trained from birth. She read some of that chick porn S&M crap and wanted to play games. “I don’t know how to play games. I only know how to do this stuff for real,” I said, as I was forcibly throat fucking her.
I got away from the violent side of things, more toward the psychological. If you live a life of violence, there’s always somebody bigger and more violent than you waiting to put you on your ass. The big man goes to kill a wooly mammoth with a spear, and the smart man drives the wooly mammoth off a cliff. I’m not a big man, but I’m a smart man. Do what you’re good at.
I have to say my whole domestic situation is looking pretty good right now. Keeping a Heffalump in my life is a minor annoyance, but I realize I’ve been calling her the “alpha Heffalump” for at least 10 years, and I realize I could have seized this power a long, long time ago. If you’re stuck in a marriage, why spend a fortune getting out of it when it’s fun to torture your fat wife with all your successes?
It helps if you’re a natural sadist.
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It ALWAYS frustrated me that my exwife treated me best when I treated her like scum. Treating her badly didn’t feel good to me. It violated who I wanted to be. But the simple fact remains is that the ONLY time she treated me decently was when I just didn’t give a shit about what she thought.
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So true. My ex-girlfriend didn’t sweeten up on me until I told her to fuck off.
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Thank the Good Lord that you didn’t marry her.
Thank the Good Lord.
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“Women would rather be beaten to death then bored to death”
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Domestic violence game FTW!
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all you really got to do is fuck em 3 times a day but who the fuck can keep that up?
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no shit.
a bitch truly in heat gets all bonobo on ya.
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and I did cum three times today go figure lol
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4 times
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Four times?
After she stayed up all night watching the lamb cook so that it would be tender when she served it to you?
PUT SOME BUNS IN THAT CHICK’S OVEN YOU GOD-DAMNED FOOL!!!
You are so fucking retarded that I am starting to think that you don’t even deserve to have progeny.
God damn it, get that woman off of her birth control pills.
NOW!!!!
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zombie I can’t have kids with her
her mom was over talking about we should go church
she was like I can pray to god to have gregi gregs baby but that don’t mean its gonna happen when my body is ready to have it it will
yea she been trying no dice
the 4 times was with other bitches my chick gone
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she been off birth control 2 years
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so ya can see what she thinks about but that don’t make it come true
every chick wants to have my kid but it just don’t happen
which is prob good for me in a lot of ways and good for conniving chicks too
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if nothing else she always makes it to my house for ovulation time he he he
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and for real though I wouldn’t want my kid growing up in the us
or really this world so yea there is that too
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In my mind it’s always remembering to turn and twist the story when she wants it to go straight into the sunset.
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I read shit like this, yes it does work, and I wish I am f**king dead. Sometimes the bitches that are attracted to this are closet psycho. I have seen older alphas who found the one under these circumstances have a living hell with a psycho drama nut-case lunatic. If she likes this shit remember that one chooses crazy because one is crazy.
This is a recipe for being stalked, abducted, having your dick cutoff or getting framed for thrill, jealousy, thrill murder.
Treat being an asshole like salt. Too much can really leave a bad taste.
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yea my relationships drama free pretty much the drama comes at the end
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We must not insult black people in public or private! (Thwack and Nicole excepted, they can say whatever they want without risk.) This meme is being enforced, first against the owner of the LA Clippers, now against Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-27266102
So the best is just to avoid association with them as much as possible. That reduces the risk, which is really getting serious now.
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Ah yes, BBC, run by that kosher-conservative Chris Patten. He belongs to a church that is majority non-White and works actively to find and transport immigrants from Africa. (The Cath church.) BBC is full of leftists, who of course always make sure to take over government-run media in addition to public schools.
Some may think it is strange that this pattern repeats itself in every country, but consider this: socialism is an ideology for those who don’t want to work. When socialists do go through higher education after all, they avoid industries that produce practical goods and instead flock to institutions that control what the productive people hear and read. Conservatism/nationalism is focused building the people’s nation, while socialism is focused on attacking the productive and gaining money that way.
Jeremy Clarkson is one of the few great personalities on British television. The obvious joy he and his co-workers display when they try out cars in various innovative ways fills Top Gear with more genuine spirit than dozens of Hollywood sitcoms and reality shows combined. Of course they will do and say things to entertain you, but it’s like you are standing next to them when they say it: “Now we’ll do this to entertain you. And boy, is it fun doing!”
Jeremy Clarkson has done more for television than Chris Patten and his PC cohorts ever could. The BBC leadership should all be fired and Clarkson should be given Patten’s job.
The powers that be hate a genuine man. Especially if he also works in the media.
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Social climbing and maintenance of position has always been a game. There have always been taboos, and holy cows, and things that would get you strung up in the town square. People in high status positions or who want to get to those, should understand this and decide whether it’s worth it or not.
I don’t understand why you people expect fairness. You do realize you live among humans, right?
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Typical comment. First there is always denial of the Left’s tactics. Then when the use of those tactics can be clearly proven, the reply changes to “So what? That’s not illegal!” or “So what? That’s how things are!” or some variant thereof. Move along, nothing to see here. I come to think of the NSA and various other issues: at first, deny what the NSA was doing. Then when it was proven, switch to saying “So what? That’s not illegal. That’s not important. Nothing to see here.”
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@Arbiter, I apologize if I seemed overly dismissive, but this is the sort of thing honest people and people with unpopular opinions have been going through since the dawn of civilization. Somewhere in eastern Africa lays the body of the first “big man” to be taken down by his own people. We have apatakis about this that are thousands of years old.
It takes a horrid level of either stupidity or blinding arrogance in a public figure, to believe that one can get away with tipping a holy cow.
It’s not about the left’s tactics or the right’s tactics. This is just how people in power jostle for said power. When someone steps out of line in a way that makes them untouchable without suffering a loss of face, status, or money, he is hung out to dry. Don’t take it so personally. Understand this is what there is, and prepare yourself for the day this may be you.
When you gain status, people will make up reasons to screw you and mess you up. If you forget what planet you’re on and what species you’re dealing with, and let something slip, you give them a reason to screw you.
Don’t kid yourself that the day you have a disagreement with some fundamental principle of the right, they won’t do the same thing.
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We get fairness by taking it. Reason doesn’t work any more. It used to work a little. Now that’s gone, but it’s OK because we realize that.
Sorry it was nice playing friends.
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She’s right though. This is why anyone who isn’t a leftist should stop giving a shit about what leftists say and form a separate society with other mores than the leftist one. This is starting to slowly happen in continental Europe in some places.
Oh, assassinate the character of leftists too. This is mandatory and conservatives are too idiotic to get it.
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The not seeing and not noticing of Gollywog TNB gets lots of decent white people killed. Or raped.
Shit your stupid cunt mouth.
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Apologies were also made for an episode broadcast in March, in which Clarkson used the word “slope” as an Asian man crossed a newly built bridge over the River Kwai in Thailand.
The use of the word – which is a derogatory term for people of Asian descent – led to complaints.
I watched that episode. (And it wasn’t the river Kwai, by the way. One of the fun things there was that they had picked the wrong river.) They worked with the locals the whole time. Like Britons have been doing for centuries – working with people who never invented any of the things the Britons brought to them. While leftists stand there trying to find “racism” in what they are doing.
I watched the whole show, and I didn’t react to any use of the word “slope”. Seems to me they must have said it because there was an actual slope, not in reference to the Asian man. But when the leftists control the media, they never have to provide any evidence or argue for their case. And all the libertardians and kosher conservatives will bow down to them and sacrifice whichever White man was targeted this time.
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I always laugh at how dumb the majority of mudsharks actually are. They really think a climate of fear of being called a racist if you are white will benefit THEM in someway when it is just the opposite. Too risky to associate with or hire because they are so race obsessed. I think there’s a black preacher in Harlem by the name of David Manning who gets it and Sowell does as well but they are a very rare minority in the black community.
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FamilyMan
We must not insult black people in public or private! (Thwack and Nicole excepted, they can say whatever they want without risk.)
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Thats our compensation for being forced to function as black people.
Think of it as the 40 acres and a mule we never got.
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As if you scumbags would farm.
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Ummm
Nevermind
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“Think of it as the 40 acres and a mule we never got”.
If a government a hundred + years ago made up of people long dead made a promise to people with your skin tone, maybe even your ancestors and you still think your entitled to something? Hahahahaha…this is the disconnect that American blacks have with reality.
I would say it’s just because blacks are naturally lower in IQ but the studies really don’t bear that out. In Germany it was discovered that blacks actually have much higher IQ’s then blacks in America. So the stupidity and lower IQ is definitely related to more western cultural brainwashing and/or abusive parents on welfare and a shitty childhood (US and UK) then it being related to race. Of course blacks from Africa are going to have the IQ problem as well because of the poverty and shitty childhood. Problem is once the IQ is lowered throughout a person’s life there is no way to bring it up later. Thus we have thwack.
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is that REALLY the black mans compliant? That he was denied the chance to work like a dog?They—YT–TRIED to give you 40 acres and a mule.But the jews came down and took it all the hell a-WAY from y’all! Da black man saw a life of working the fields and thought,fuck,i might as well go back to masta. I aint neva gonna get me no papuh,no ride and no white wimmenz working like my mule. So the jew bought it off him for pennies on da dolla. The jews caused so much trouble they was BANNED(for life hee hee?) by Gen. Grant. General order # 9. The jews shit in their pants,lol.
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Avoid the groid.
Thwack ought to be banned. He’s either a psycho stalker or a troll stalker.
Either way he’s got murder on his mind.
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I had something to share that isn’t quite as dramatic but for those of you interested in understanding the power of game and how using game as a filter to control your own emotions can be extremely helpful in moving forward.
I went out to my weekly dance party and was sitting with a couple of friends of mine visiting: guy and girl. We were dancing, drinking, having fun. My ex gf was there with her entourage. I had just banged 3 girls this past few months and gamed several others so had an abundance mentality. It’s been 4 months of no contact after I caught her in a lie and she had re-engaged me I had told her to fuck off.
I started to eye-fuck my ex gf. When I’d dance by her table i’d look at her. She would blank me but look away–deliberately. It was fun.
I danced with every other decent girl there and the night was drawing to a close. The bulky, muscular visitor invited her on the dance floor. Hmmmm…I watched. He was good looking, not a great dancer but was gaming her…badly.
He was standing side by side rather than face to face and trying to initiate kino patting her on the back or brushing her back. She was lapping up the attention as she always does. He asked her to dance twice and she went to sit back down.
I thought..hmmmm…if this dickhead is gaming her what could I do? So I walked across the room and approached her. Imagine this…4 months, I told her to fuck off…and her I am walking up to her. She looked shocked. Her eyes widened, she looked behind her to see if I was approaching someone else.
Gina-tingles. Element of surprise.
I looked behind her out the window and smiled with amused mastery. I was “back”…not the insecure me but the new-improved freshly fucked me.
I pulled her out and we danced. She’d gained a bit of weight I think. But she was responsive, always glad for any attention. I didn’t say a word. After the first song…I looked into her eyes and eye fucked her again. “What???” she asked. I shook my head again in amused mastery and we danced again.
Then…the “shit-test”….beta bait or was it an IOI? “You changed your smell” she said. I’d changed my cologne. 4 months and she could tell. Hmmmmm.
I paused. “you’re like a cat”. That made no sense but I used to call her a cat.
“So?” she said. I paused again.
“I haven’t showered in two days” I said seriously waiting for the irony to sink in.
“noooo” she said.
We danced well and she drew closer each time. I eye-fucked her more. She was nervous and then stopped blathering and stared back into my eyes. She looked….confused and I guess anticipating what would happen next. The set ended I asked her again she agreed immediately. We stood here and I held her hand. She was nervous since we were the only two on the dance floor at that moment. Then the next game-comment: “Time for your performance”….she was a performer and I knew that would spark a flood of memories and more anticipation. “Nooooooo” she said.
We danced. It was fun. I walked her back, she turned around and smiled. I said nothing. Then I left. I got to the elevator and that chode visitor was there hanging around for the elevator. I couldn’t tell whether he was waiting for the elevator or her.
Then just as the door was closing some people came in…including my ex gf. She was with friends. “Nice evening?” she asked the chode. I ignored her.
I walked ahead and turned around. Chode was walking with her. I turned around again and I think she had left and he was standing on the corner. I couldn’t tell.
I didn’t follow up with a text and didn’t receive one. But that isn’t a surprise. The whole experience would have completely got her hamster spinning. A text immediately after would have been chode-ish.
She may in fact be over me…but I don’t think so. The “you changed your smell” comment was a shit-test and an IOI. My handling of it with that kind of amused mastery confused her.
I didn’t chase. I didn’t tip my hand at all whether I was happy, angry, hurt…I just used amused mastery.
So that’s it. The whole experience was physical, lots of kino, had mystery, surprise, sparked positive memories and ended. There was also contrast with another guy. Not sure that other guy gaming her means she’s over me.
I did this so that I could find a way to come to terms with the anger i’d been feeling. I think I saw her in my mind as someone i’d “lost” but after this I saw her as another girl—a 35 year old, messed up, but typical…girl.
Not sure what will happen after this. I don’t have any plan. I do know that by using game I was able to personally feel stronger because the whole idea that she was something “special” evaporated. She’s another girl. Perhaps she’s over me. But the “you changed your smell” line was interesting. My amused mastery and dismissiveness over the comment demonstrated for her I was not the butt-hurt beta who lashed out 4 months ago but the cool-as-fuck man she had previously chased and was now wondering: “What was that about?” and “I thought you hated me…” Using game I was able to transform myself by focusing on my own core confidence not her validation.
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Did the same thing once. Gf cheated on me, I told her to hit the pavement and never called her again. Saw her dancing a few months later on the dance floor and just want up and started dancing with her. Didn’t ask for permission and didn’t say much. Made me feel better and it somehow allowed me to drop her and move on completely after that. Closure with self-amused confidence if you will.
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@newlyaloof Exactly.
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No good deed goes unpunished is a general law of human nature. One of the biggest flaws of this site is the junior varsity misogyny because you say that you can’t be kind to women (suggesting that you can be kind to men).
The reality is that kindness to ANYONE with a character flaw is a dangerous game and is a provocation to conflict. For example, if Israel were magnanimous and proposed a peace deal with Palestinians, it would simply invite terrorist attacks and could provoke a war.
Since young women are, generally, immature characters who only do kindness as supplication, overt generosity is provocative and invites contempt/ conflict/ punishment. If you give a young beautiful woman something, her logical reaction will be “what else will this doormat give me and how much more can I take advantage of him?”
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Shut the fuck up about the levant and CH. Way beyond your pay grade.
Picturing the hairy smelly disgusting mess of rotting flesh you call a woman makes me sick.
Go suck a yarmulke.
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That was the most awesome comment I have ever read. Makes me want to go tell my wife she is a piece of shit and always has been. because I love her more than anything else except myself.
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“You treat all of your friends so much better than you treat me.”
I’m guilty of this too. I lend money to friends, don’t mind driving them around if they don’t have a car, call them if we haven’t been in touch or whatnot. I NEVER do any of this with women. I’d seriously like for my lover to also be my best friend, but the two are rather incompatible with most women my age or younger.
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I once had an now ex gf (not most recent one). tell me I showed more care when I danced with other girls. This was clearly a shit test and her warped feelings not any real facts. When girls make these generalizations they are trying to make you think you’re doing something wrong and dance to her tune. It’s crazy making.
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That COTW is just absurd. This guy likes being nice and it is in his nature to be so, but he is willing to do things against his nature to bang chicks he doesn’t even respect. On top of that he has to analyze every moment and be on his guard every second not to do something he would like to do or it may ruin his relationship. In other words, the pussy is so important to this guy, that he is willing to change who his is and do things he doesn’t enjoy. This is just another form of pedestializing pussy.
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I’m able to keep up a tight game long enough into a relationship for it to turn sexual. But at some point, I begin to betray my nice guy romantic beta side.
The way I look at it, I show the true side of my personality as the ultimate shit test on a woman. If she rejects that side of me, then I’m not afraid to lose her. I might need to have a good cry over a case of beer, but life goes on.
I had Oneitis a while back, and she went cold. She recently called me practically crying that she saw the error of her ways and that she had been burned by so many bad relationships ‘with assholes’ that she didn’t know what to do when a genuine and nice person wanted to be with her.
I told her I was dating somebody else. The heartbreak in her voice was palpable. But I don’t really feel all that sorry for her.
To be a paranoid asshole 24/7 with ultra tight game is just not worth the effort. To keep up the pretense long enough to get into her panties? Sure. But it’s not a viable endeavor for a LTR.
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“But it’s not a viable endeavor for a LTR.”
Bullshit. I rekindled an acceptable frequency and quality (i.e., nastiness, on my terms) of sex with my wife of 22 years by laying down the fucking law and exhibiting what she called “brutish” behavior. I was a damn near terminal nice guy before. She “liked” that in theory but she didn’t respect it for shit.
I don’t give a fuck if she calls me a brute now instead of her soulmate. I’m the brute who makes her cunt wet. Now I get fucked, I get the dinner I like on time, I get respect, I get frequent apologies for her faults, I get more feminine behavior from her. I don’t apologize to her anymore for anything.
Yes it’s painful to have to hold in some of my impulses to be kind/loving/generous. That pain is part of being a man. It’s not a “pretense” any more than lifting a heavy weight that you don’t “want” to lift is a pretense. It’s strength. I’ll accept the pain, now that I realize it has benefits, too. The greatest of these benefits is the self-respect that follows from self-discipline.
Being a man isn’t easy. You don’t get to do a lot of things that you want to do. One of those things is being your “natural” self with women. Limit your expectations of what you can do/be with women, and you’ll be better off. Don’t expect them to be like men. Despite the widespread cultural lies, women are nothing like men and never will be. They’re not your soulmate. They really belong in a separate sphere altogether from men.
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It isn’t about pussy any more. Talk to any father or divorced guy. hell talk to any man with a job that has women working there too.
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lol. your lack of intestinal fortitude is noted.
there are those who rule and those who choose to be ruled, and the difference is the willingness one will go to not to be marginalized. you clearly have a slaves mentality, boy.
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I’m a nice person, but I enjoy it when a girl tells me that she’s my little slut. Roses and kisses on the neck don’t do that, rough sex does. Unless this guy writes from a prison cell, I doubt he is an asshole every single moment of his relationship with girls and punches them in the face when they say hi.
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You only need to punch them in the face if they fight back. But the number one destroyer of last minute resistance is… rape!
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“On top of that he has to analyze every moment and be on his guard every second not to do something he would like to do or it may ruin his relationship. In other words, the pussy is so important to this guy, that he is willing to change who his is and do things he doesn’t enjoy. This is just another form of pedestializing pussy.”
Another shaming comment about not being true to “who we are”. Guess what dipshit, who we are doesn’t matter one fuck, what matters is what we do and what we can get from the world.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/07/18/crisis-of-motive/
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“The make-up, clothing, staying in shape, and feminine appeasement is just another form of penis pedestalizing. The penis is so important to women that they’re willing to change who they are and do things they don’t really enjoy.”
is any of this getting through to you, dumbfuck troll?
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@CH…this shit is hard when you’ve been conditioned to be the “people pleaser” and all the coping measures you’ve been programmed to think will get you the girl of your dreams are just a myth or “pretty lie”. It’s taken several years for me for this to get through.
The true measure of being good at game is not all the great tactics…it’s the true inner believe that “I am the prize”…sadly it takes trial and error to achieve this.
It is like learning a new language….at first it all feels awkward at first speaking a new language or learning a new writing system, then after applying it and through observation, trial and error you become fluent. For some learning a new language comes easily for others it takes effort and they give up because reverting to their default language is easier even though that one language doesn’t open any new doors for them.
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First about the last interactions.
My 26YO HB9 has not contacted me or I her almost two weeks. Still waiting it out. Lots of shitty feelings. But I am sticking to it. She has many options. But so do I. I would have expected her to contact me by now. Since she was invested pretty heavily. Maybe I am wrong. You mentioned my new alpha chops. I am not so sure I have those yet. But can you recommend a good resource to learn more about this. Also what do you mean about giving her an emotional roller coaster ride, how do you do that?
#1 On the 40 YO Blond MILF I am scheduled to meet with her on Monday and pretty sure it will lead to a bang. You critiqued our text interaction yesterday. I am texting every couple of days just to check in. Since the date is so far out. Should I be doing this or something else? Don’t want her to get cold. There was strong interest when we met but that was two weeks ago. If so what should I be saying?
#2 My former 24YO 7.5 fuckbuddy. I can see very graphically on this one how you demonstrated how I screwed up. She never did email me back or text me. I was such a sucker for this. I can see now how the anxiety and the neediness on this and how it messed up my ability to think. And yes to answer your challenge I kind of was predicting some of these things but did not pay attention to my own intuition. Time to open my eyes even more. I have not tried to contact her and will not. I doubt if she will contact me. And what is a cluster B? And you mentioned getting them to be even sluttier than I can imagine. How do you do that?
#3 I am really not going to pursue anything with the 42YO she is a good friend. We don’t really see each other that much. Yes my behavior was beta but I am not really involved with her on a day to day basis.
Now for two new ones. These are women that have never known my former pre red pill self. So I went to work on them with what I have learned about texting.
#4 She is a 33YO White brunette MILF, picture was not great but really cute in person probably a 7. Met online and got her engaged quickly. She responded to my texts and was interested. I started the flirty fun stuff right off and she seemed to like it. Then she went a little cold. On a simple compliance. So I immediately went dark and did not engage or respond for the rest of the day. Then she tried to reengage me and I ignored her and then hit her up the next day. She then jumped right on it and was much more compliant. We did a little flirting. And then I asked for the meeting. She agreed but said she was tied up for the whole week. Then I said ok…some other time. Knowing she wanted me to chase her. When I did not then she came back with she could do it on Friday.
I agreed and then went back to a little flirting and teasing. I told her to wear heels and a skirt. She said she usually does. She really responded to this well. I told her she needed to cook for me and she responded well to this while telling me that she does not cook much. Then the talk turns sexy. In fact at this point she had been very prudish but I got her talking sexy and suggestive. Very good I figured. Then she comes back with. I am going to take the afternoon off on Friday so we have the whole afternoon to spend together. I could feel her opening up. It was interesting and exciting. At this point I am going to try to push this even further. So next day we are texting a little flirting. By now she is texting me all the time. I am responding slowly and only half of the time. Then I tell her I am going to be in her town on Tuesday. She shoots back immediately “really????” all excited. She then says she has to work. I tell her “make it happen girl” and she tells me she will work on it. Now at this point my different texting game seems to be having very good results.
Divorced MILFs have a lot of logistical issues, kid, sitter, exes, work, etc. But sure enough she clears her schedule and is ready for me for Tuesday night. This is a testament to the adage that if they want to see you they will find a way. I would have just taken no for an answer before.
I pick her up and we go to a nice local bar and set up some wine and conversation. She looks much better in person, tight petite body and beautiful tittles. I make sure I don’t gush all over her with compliments but I do say cute and tell her to turn around for me. She does all blushing and embarrassed. On the drive over to the bar she starts asking me questions and I am evasive and building the mystery. In fact at this point still she knows almost nothing about me. Then during the drive it becomes apparent that she does not know that I am married, even though it is in my profile. And I know many women will immediately bail on me. And we are in my car. So I tell her. And she is visibly shaken. Things get a little awkward. I tell her that it is in my profile and that many men lie about this stuff I do not. Then say is that going to be a problem? I was ready to take her home. But then I thought these guys plow through with these women when they have boyfriends. Lets see how far I can to with her knowing I am married.
I was predicting and my prediction was that she was not going to play along. In fact if you looked up the word prude in the dictionary she would be there. And she bragged about this fact. But I also predicted she is a woman and she is like other women. Don’t believe what they say right? So we get to the bar and order some wine, and start to talk, I lean back, smile a lot, give her lots of contact, and touching. And I just relax just like I don’t give a shit. I bring up the marriage thing again and she is flustered. I am totally unashamed about it and smile when I talk about it. And slowly with the wine and the conversation she loosens up I get some compliance from her she volunteers some also. More touching and more talk about her mostly. And telling her stories about travel adventure and food to create interest and feelings. Is this correct? She asks me what I am looking for. And I look her dead in the eye and say a deeply passionate affair.
After about an hour I am kissing her at the bar in public. And she is liking it. When we break from the kiss she has that dreamy smile on her face. Kind of like in the old movies. So much for being a prude. So we hang out for about another hour more wine flirting and she is now dropping the hints that she is going to give this a try. So I consider that a victory. Especially with this chick being so prudish, not been with a man in so long. She is telling me that how good looking I am and how she likes talking with me. How much fun she is having, how delicious I am. At this point I have given her minimal compliments and supplication. Hopefully this is positive?
Then we get in the car and start making out big time. Kissing is getting really good. We go to a local dive watering hole and get more wine and much more making out. She is a little tipsy. Try to pull her to my hotel she refuses. But we are still set for Friday and is essentially promising the bang for then. Took her home some more intense making out and dropped her off. She texted me this morning bright and early and told me she had a great time. I responded back that I will pick her up at 12 on Friday. She sent back that I must like her since I want to see her again. I wait a couple of hours and then send back “haha…ok” nothing since then. She usually texts a lot. Do you think I was too aloof?
Then on Thursday she starts going on about her work and what a bad day she had. I did not take the bait and do the sympathy thing that I know she was fishing for. Then she tells me that she has to meet her boss on Friday early for a meeting. I take the hint and before she could cancel on our 12 o’clock. I just tell her, I will make other plans. Is this the right move feel kind of like she is slipping away but I am sure she is just playing a game. Texting has been minimal and very little talking since then. She seemed so into me at the time. Last night she tells me that she is having problems with her ex. He is trying to get more custody of their kid. She has appeared to have a lot of bad things happen to her the last few days almost like she is trying to get me to white knight with her. But I have not bit. At this point I am just going to next her for a while. Is that the right move?
#5 This one was quite a surprise. Got a response from a 22YO Latina, divorced MILF two days ago. Very hot, give her a 7.5 maybe an 8. Hard body, and a calm sexy demeanor. We started texting and I did the same aloof, sexy talk. On both of these women. I slipped into our conversation that “I am a bad boy” and that “I am not afraid of anything” two things I have heard. And it looks like they work. With this one I also told her I have many girlfriends and she texted back lol that she will be my favorite.
I went to quickly go for the meet up since the next day/ yesterday was her day off from work. She agrees. There is some back and forth on the time. When she did this I just said, ok maybe some other time. Then she texts me back later wanting to meet. The aloof stuff seems to work.
We meet for lunch. And I am trying my game on her and it seems to be working really well. Come to find out she really likes older men. No kidding. Matter of fact I am observing her really well and she was positively lit up with excitement. Smiling blushing and telling me how good I looked. I am telling you guys I have been told I am good looking but not like these two women. This is new to me. She says that she is happy to be there with me. So we talk some more. There is some story telling. And she is totally engaged. By one hour into it. She is asking me if I want to see her again. I tell her yes. Probably should have made her work for that. Anyway I then go for the bang. Now we had minimal touching and no kissing at this point since we were in a booth where it is too far to be reaching over all the time. How do you guys handle this, do you avoid booths, sit on their side? But I did tell her to hold my hand across the table and she did. But her facial expressions, the hair tossing, the giggling, and the sparkle in her eyes was amazing. She was so on fire. Very very femine woman. So I tell her lets get a hotel. She looks all surprised and said now? Today? And I said calmly yes. She says OMG a few times I tell her I will be gentle with her, and we will go slow, with a smile and she agrees. I book the room she follows me over in her BMW. Very bad sign I soon found out. We get to the room and slowly started making out. She is very responsive and starts lightly moaning right away. Tells me it has been a long time and she really needs the dick. Then she stops the interaction and starts talking about things like gifts and helping her out and stuff.
So I immediately back off not much but just my face. I was still holding her. And she looks at me and says why are you being like that. She could sense my disapproval immediately even though I did not say anything yet. Then I told her that I make a good living and we can do stuff together and eat out and I am not here to mooch off you like other men. But I am not going to do that. She kind of hemmed and hawed a little and then I went in to make out some more and she submitted. In the past I would have just given up. But I plowed through it.
We fucked and sucked and lots of orgasms and then. We started talking and she tells me about an older guy she dated before me and how he spent all of this money on her all of the time. She told me about how she would be shopping and he would just text her and send her money. She even expressed displeasure at this since she saw it as being too much and too dismissive. I was thinking yes he was being weak. He was using his money as a way of impressing you and supplicating to you.
And it made her lose respect for him. Of course now I knew how she got the BMW. Anyway she of course wants to see me again. And now we can meet at her apartment which makes it a lot better. We tententavily schedule Thursday. But today she cancelled. And asked to reschedule. I did not respond yet. That was about 6 hours ago. How should I deal with that? I think the money thing is too much of a problem and will come back. I am going to next her.
Thoughts on any of these? I feel like I am making progress but I really want to know.
(I tried to post this comment 2 days ago but it never showed up trying again here, and there is more updates since this happened)
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@Reco…your 26 year old hasn’t contacted you and you have “shitty” feelings.
I have to just say you had a great fling and leave it at that. I was with mine for aalmost a year and she left me in the cruelest possible way at a time when I needed her most.
Get some perspective. You are married and pining away for what appears to be a huge validation of your game. Don’t wallow in this, find a better 26 year old if that’s what you want.
THe point of my above story was that I didn’t really reach out to my ex, I asked her to dance at a dance party, gamed her, eye-fucked, her, got her all wet, then walked away understanding…I can do this and I will do this…with someone better.
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Quick comments:
#4 got LMR (too much time between heavy makeout and actual sex). You handled everything beautifully esp all the marriage stuff (stronger frame always wins so if your frame is that it’s not a big deal and a “passionate affair” is fun and sexy and hot, they’ll fall into that frame too). You just went too far without a bed available basically. It’s the same concept you might have seen me write about with club pickups where if you escalate too far without a clear green light to somewhere you can have sex, her ASD will kick in and she’ll flake on seeing you again because you’ve crossed the line to where she’s basically promised sex so now meeting up makes her feel slutty because she feels like you expect sex from her (chick logic lol this makes complete sense to them). So in a club, to get them to not get ASD if you can’t bang them that night, you have to not cross that like and only lightly romantically kiss them and tone it down so that you can meet up again without her feeling like she owes you sex.
So in your situ, if you had been able to get her into your hotel room to bang, you’d be fine now and she’d meet up with you again no problems. But you crossed the “we’re gonna fuck” line with all the heavy makeouts but then she had a few days to cool off and collect herself and let the ASD kick in so now she’s going to be flakey and difficult.
To diffuse it you want to let her ASD think you don’t expect sex. So an example of that would be say your Friday date was originally for her to come over and cook for you. Well that’s isolation and being in a sex location and obviously going to lead to sex so her ASD will probably force her to flake. But if instead you txted her a couple days before that and cancelled the cooking at home and said you wanted to take her out to dinner but also that you work early the next morning so tonight it’s JUST a dinner and conversation because you have to leave at 10pm, now her ASD should say “oh so he doesn’t expect me to have sex because we’re going to be in public and he can’t stay up late tonight so this is just a harmless dinner where I’m not obliged to put out…whew!! That’s awesome because I DO want to see him again, I like him a lot, I just needed him to diffuse this sex obligation that triggers my ASD”.
The trick is to just get her out face to face, however you have to. In person you can just have the date and end it early as planned and that’ll be fine you’ll probably get the lay on the next date. But you can also just turn her on in person and try to get her to your hotel room. Like “ok you can come up for a glass of wine, this is a fun conversation, but just one. I have to get a good night’s sleep so I’m kicking you out after we have a drink” and then when you’re in the room just don’t kick her out and don’t bring it up and just kiss and escalate because now you’re in a sex location.
This is based off an oldschool Mystery Method tactic where to get a girl up to your apartment you diffuse her ASD by giving a non-sexual excuse for her to come up (“you have to see my goldfish” “let’s watch a movie” “you have to see these pictures” or for going to her place “you’re making me that sandwich/noodles/etc we talked about at the bar”) and combine it with a false time constraint (“but I have to work in the morning so you can only stay for a bit” or “but I have to work early so I can only stay for one drink and then it really have to go or I’ll be exhausted at work”). This combo is designed to skirt around her ASD because she goes “we’re not hanging out for the purpose of sex, and there’s a time constraint so we can’t have sex, so it’s okay to hang out!”
Make sense? You could have also just not made out hardcore with her that first date and she’d probably meet up as planned Friday but I think you played it solid the way you did because if you had been able to get her into your hotel room (maybe with the MMA tactic I just mentioned), you’dve gotten the lay for sure. So you did good pushing it, I wouldn’t tone down what you do…just add some ASD/LMR diffusing strategy to it.
#5 was trying to frame control you into being her sugar daddy (you’ll probably run into this a lot as an older man because, well, it’s how most lame older chodes get these girls, they pay them for their time with gifts and the girls pretend to like them lol). If you run into that again with another girl or she tries to do that again, try kicking her out. Like shut down and tell her it’s time for her to go. You probably don’t even have to explain why she’s being kicked out, she’ll know. She’ll probably be all omg why and you can very sternly say “If you want a sugar daddy you can find some other tool to mooch off. Delete my number.” and basically do a MAJOR takeaway. She generally hasn’t seen that before and instinctively she’ll want to make you not think she’s a golddigger and should chase. I would even turn down sex if she crossed a line too far lol
So with her, just be aloof. She’s going to try to get you to chase her because she thinks an old dude needs her pussy and will get lonely and txt her and beg her to come over and his frame will rack and he’ll offer her shiny things and become her sugar daddy. So you do the opposite and just never initiate txts with her. Worst-case you never had from he again, oh no who cares you weren’t gonna see her again anyway. Best-case she starts to chase your attention because she’s amazed that you aren’t caving and she respects you and uses other guys as sugar daddies but fucks you because she’s actually attracted to you.
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@walawala thanks for the comments. However she did contact me last night. Not sure where to go with it. I know some on here would say no contact. Some would say wait some more I am not sure. She called me at 2:30AM and did not leave a message. She knows I turn my phone off at night just to avoid these kinds of rude surprises at home. I am sure her sub-communication was for me to return the call. And she could just say that it was a butt dial. But I Have not done anything yet. What do you think yareally?
@yareally Thanks a lot for the help. That is awesome. I can see that this was all ASD. In fact she has been very big on trying to convince me that she is not a bad girl and is a prude. So I am going to take your advice on this. I do follow advice especially when I am so new at this. I have some follow up questions. Update on #4 since that all transpired contact has been minimal. She has been a little non responsive since Thursday and only minor texting. But I can tell she is still interested. She did text me last night but her whole attitude has been kind of whinie like she wants me to be the white night and listen to her problems. I resisted this. And I tried to keep it fun a flirty and sexual. She did not bite too much. So then I flipped the script like you guys said and I told her she is in too bad of a mood and we can talk some other time. She straigtend up a little. I told her to send me a pic which she did. And I told her to meet me for tuesday night and she said too much work. This is before I knew about the ASD thing. So I am going to try your gambit.
Any suggestions on how to do it. I will be staying in her city in a hotel. So I want to plan to meet someplace close to my hotel. Then try to lure her to the hotel. Not sure how to do that yet. Once she starts making out she really falls into nicely and passionately though. I will give it my all. But she may be more of a long term conquest.
About #2 My 40 YO Blond MILF. We went on one date in the park some light making out about two weeks ago. But she is more direct and more DTF. We have done the sexy talk and send the sexy pics and all. But there was a long time in between. So I am worried that she may go cold on me. But we are set to meet on Monday and she seems good to go. I think what I will do is have her meet me at my hotel bar for a drink before we go. Then lure her up to my room for “just a minute before we go to the next place”. Then when I get her there should be able to get the bang and just order room service for wine or whatever. Also I want to ask you about keeping them warmed up when there is a long time between meetings. Do you send them hello texts? Are you verbose and get into long sexy conversations with them? Or do you just let them be?
Also a couple of questions about inner game. I am trying to figure out what I want to do with all of this. And if I keep nexting chicks I am going to run out of prospects soon. lol And online is very time consuming. I do not realistically see myself going into clubs on a regular basis and hitting on 21 YO’s. (By the way one of the best looking women I ever dated was 40yo so there are a few nice ones.) I mean I think I should do it to learn the skill. But with my work and travel, and kids I really don’t have the time. I am thinking more of a older experienced, lifestyle type of play. I travel a lot I look pretty good, dress very well, and I am not fat or balding been told I look 40. I have a lot of interesting hobbies and a fun personality. I need to get better at approaching but I am good with conversation. I need to increase my circle of friends. I like what you had to say about having all kinds of friends from all walks of life. I should do that more. I am thinking more of day game and the women I meet through work or when traveling in local bars. Any thoughts?
That leads me to the next thing you talked about and that is adding value. This is an important concept in my line of work. And I like what you had to say about it. So how do you add value to a woman? Is it just having that great life and inviting them into to come have some fun and play? Or is there more specific things I need to be doing? This concept seems to be more ambiguous to me. I would like to know more?
Thanks again.
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@reco The 2:30am hang up call….yup it’s on cue. She’s now seeking attention and validation. Giving this too soon demonstrates you have no boundaries and rewards any bad behavior.
I made this mistake countless times. Yes, forgiveness is important if you want to move on. But in this case beyond calling you at 2:30am to demand some attention what has she done?
Has her behavior improved for the better?
Give it a bit more time, then call her or respond to one of her calls as if nothing happened or was wrong. She should get the message to improve or your attention will disappear again, this time possibly for good.
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Latest update on #4 she just texted me:
“When are you back on town”
I think I am going to keep it simple just tell her Tuesday but I can’t stay out late…I have an early meeting on Wednesday.
What do you guys think? Sounds like good progress.
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“I am sure her sub-communication was for me to return the call. And she could just say that it was a butt dial. But I Have not done anything yet. What do you think yareally?”
Ya, she’s trying to make you chase her. Don’t initiate any contact. Eventually she’ll go “wtf is WITH this guy” and chase your attention harder because you give no fucks.
“In fact she has been very big on trying to convince me that she is not a bad girl and is a prude”
Don’t get too wrapped up in getting her to admit she wants sex and/or agree to fucking you. Just kind of go with the flow and assume it. This effs a lot of guys up, they want to make the girl agree that she’s cool with your marriage and that she wants sex and that next time you hang out she’ll fuck you etc. but trying to get that admission from her forces her to massively confront her ASD, which is possible but a really big hurdle to force her to overcome and it’s not necessary at all.
That’s why this round-about MM style route is to get her alone where you can escalate in person when she’s feeling good emotions and doesn’t have to verbalize “yes I agree to suck your cock even though you have a wife at home”. You’re taking sex off the table because you both know it’s still ON the table, you’re just sneaking around behind the back of her ASD so you don’t trigger it. I like to use the analogy of you’re helping her sneak out of prison and her ASD is the prison guard patrolling. She WANTS to escape and you want to help her escape, but you have to help her get around her ASD because it’ll grab her and throw her back in her cell if you guys trigger it.
“She did text me last night but her whole attitude has been kind of whinie like she wants me to be the white night and listen to her problems.”
You triggered her ASD so now she has to categorize you in her life in a way that isn’t just “her being your slut” lol but she doesn’t know how to include you so she’s using trying to get you to white knight her with her complaining shit because if you start listening to her problems and stuff she can go “oh, see ASD? He’s not just the guy I’m going to be slutty for, he’s a friend who listens to my problems, our relationship is deeper than just him sticking his dick in me.”
Don’t reward her complaining shit with your attention ’cause she’ll just end up doing it more, but also understand that she’s in full ASD mode right now and you have to make her feel special and like she means more to you than just sex. You only have to do this because the first attempt to bang her went haywire at the end, so this is all damage control you’re doing.
That’s why you take sex off the table entirely. If you wanted to correct the complaining shit at the same time, you could say something like “I was thinking of changing our Friday plans to dinner at a restaurant. I have an early morning so I can’t stay up all night, I’ll have to drop you off at home around 10pm. But you sound like you’re having a bad week with all this drama so maybe we should just try another time.” where you’re still following the notion of “we’re not meeting up for sex” and a false time constraint but also showing her that her negative shit is a turn-off to you and makes you want to cancel plans with her. That should snap her out of trying that complainy stuff. You could expand on it like “I work hard, so when I’m out I like to relax and be around positive energy and have fun, not take on someone else’s problems. I don’t hang out with negative people who don’t view life as an exciting adventure the way I do.” etc. etc.
Thing is, she’s not trying to get you to white knight her out of malicious intent, she just doesn’t know how to include you in her life any other way because normally getting guys to white knight is what works to get a guy to invest in her. Lame guys have taught her that it works, so she’s defaulting to it. So you have to provide her a better solution, which is why you offer to simply go to dinner with no sex involved, so that instead of taking you out of the “guy who wants sex from me” label in her mind and classifying you in the “guy who helps me with my problems” label, she can instead classify you in the “guy who’s fun and doesn’t expect sex from me” label…and then when you meet up, you have sex. Not sure if this makes sense the way I’m writing it, but it does to her instinctively lol
It’s kind of like if you tell a kid doing something destructive “don’t do that”, he doesn’t know what else to do so he’ll end up being destructive again. But if you tell him “don’t do that” AND give him something productive to do, he’ll focus that energy he would’ve focused on being destructive, into that productive thing. But you had to provide him that new role, the same way you have to provide her a new way to view you that includes you in her life but is also positive and productive…until you get her alone and then you can escalate and return to the sexual role which will be okay AFTER you’ve banged. ASD generally goes away once you’ve actually had sex, it’s more the build-up TO the first lay where ASD is on full-guard.
Like that saying goes “before a woman fucks you, she’ll look for any reason NOT to…once she’s fucked you, she’ll look for any reason to justify why she fucked you.”
“I told her to send me a pic which she did. And I told her to meet me for tuesday night and she said too much work. This is before I knew about the ASD thing. So I am going to try your gambit.”
ya, see with the pic thing she’ll do it ’cause she likes you but you’re keeping her in full ASD alert mode because you’re still being sexual and that’s just re-enforcing “he thinks I’m a slut and expects me to put out if I meet up with him”.
Usually I recommend that you can be sexual up until she agrees to meet up, and then you ditch all sexual shit and go into full friend zone mode, like once there’s a legit “we’re meeting up Friday at 7pm” date set, you turn off all sexuality and go total friend zone mode until you see her in person. ’cause at that point sure, she’ll love the sexual talk, but she’ll flake on that Friday date because her ASD will know you expect her to have sex with you…but if she has a few days of non-sexual contact with you, her ASD cools off and she can meet up and then you escalate in person.
So you have to pull back extra hard because you got so close to the lay without quite getting it, that her ASD will be on full guard for a while. So no more asking for pics etc. You want to meet up under an asexual pretense.
“So I want to plan to meet someplace close to my hotel.”
Do this, but don’t mention it’s near your hotel. Ordinarily I’d say pretend your hotel room is too messy to have her over or something but she’ll interpret that as your wife is staying with you lol My point though is that “a restaurant up the street from my hotel” is basically saying “a restaurant near where I can fuck you you slutty slut slut whore.” to her ASD lol
“Then try to lure her to the hotel.”
I wouldn’t even mention the hotel. Just be like “let’s go for a walk” and just walk for a bit and talk and keep things cool and flirty and fun emotions, and then just walk her into the hotel lobby and when she’s like “hey is this your hotel?” you can just brush it off with “ya, we’ll just have a drink but then you have to go. I have an early morning so we can’t do anything tonight, but this is a fun conversation and I can stay up for a glass of wine.” and then change the subject and keep her emotions up.
Contrast that to “send me pics. let’s meet up at the restaurant in my hotel friday so I can fuck you upstairs. You agree to fucking me right?” type stuff where her ASD loses its shit and she has to flake.
“Also I want to ask you about keeping them warmed up when there is a long time between meetings. Do you send them hello texts? Are you verbose and get into long sexy conversations with them? Or do you just let them be?”
I’m verbose, I like to text, but I pick optimal times to text. There’s no reason to send a “hey how’s work going?” txt at 1pm in the middle of her workday. That’s a waste. But a “you should be curled up next to me right now, listening to the storm outside. How’s your week been?” at 9pm is like, now you can have a legit deeper conversation where she can get all emotional and you can keep Comfort going.
Like right now I have txts from two girls, one txted me a couple hours ago and the other txted as I was typing the last paragraph. I’m ignoring both txts until later tonight because later tonight I can get into a deeper conversation with them. One deep long conversation in a week followed by 6 days of silence is worth way more to her than a dozen tiny pinging conversations throughout the week.
“I am thinking more of day game and the women I meet through work or when traveling in local bars. Any thoughts?”
Day game is your zone. Bars/pubs are better for you than nightclubs, and online will be pretty solid even though the quality of girls online is pretty brutal in general. Like if you were saying “oh I want 20yo smokin hot 9/10 peacocked chicks” I’d be like ok you have to go to nightclubs and subject yourself to the chaos to sharpen your skillset to where you’re going to pull that off. But if you’re cool with 30+ chicks who are just fun energy to be around and hot enough to get you hard and some fun adventures to have, you don’t need to become a bar fly, you can find and meet plenty of girls through day game.
A lot of day game is about putting yourself in situations where you CAN meet girls. Go to the grocery store at 6pm when girls are stopping in after work and the ones who are taken are probably already at home having a family dinner, VS at 3pm when sure there’s less lineups at the checkout counter but girls are all at work still and the store is empty. If you drive a car, you’re missing a lot of opportunities that someone taking the subway or bus would have, in terms of meeting people. Like there are little things that add up.
Also day game works with your busy schedule. You could drop into a coffee shop for a tea on your way home from work or whatever and try to strike up a conversation with a girl. Or go to a mall under the pretense of buying something for your daughter/niece and ask for advice etc.. That kind of thing is a lot more convenient for you than freeing up your Friday night to go spend 6 hours in a bar.
“I need to increase my circle of friends. I like what you had to say about having all kinds of friends from all walks of life. I should do that more.”
This is big when you’re older. Like I’m still in my early 30s and I’m still at a point where I can live in a city solo and go out and do just fine for myself. But as I settle down into a city and get older and reach my mid/late 30s I’ll probably focus a lot more on building deep connected social circles where i meet women through them and simply have value to my social circle so I’m automatically DHV’ed to girls from the start, instead of having to go “on the hunt” at 40+.
Building social circles is really easy, it’s literally just chatting up strangers and making them feel good and then taking an active role in keeping in touch. “I’m just passing thru town on business, but we should keep in touch and grab a beer next time I’m up.” Most people are up for meeting new people and with today’s technology it’s super easy to exchange numbers and shoot a “Hey, I’m back in CityName next week. Mind showing me around a bit? Last time I was stuck in my hotel bored out of my mind!” and start building small friendships, with guys and girls.
Even if you’re only in a city once a year or once a month or there for weeks at a time etc., it’s worth collecting some contacts and building little friendships in each city. Like right now there are a few cities I could hop a plane to and I have a few friends there who would greet me and take me out for a beer and introduce me to their friends…and like, I haven’t seen them in years, but I shoot them a txt now and then and when we’re in the same area we hang out and that’s all it really takes.
“So how do you add value to a woman?”
Make her feel good emotions. It’s actually really easy. I give more value to a woman by teasing her a bit and making her laugh and tingle with flirty excitement than the guy buying her a BMW gives her. A big part of it is understanding that making people feel good IS valuable. Like, we tend to think “oh well ya I made them laugh but I mean, that’s not a tangible thing, there’s no price on that, you can’t say that’s worth what a BMW is worth”. But if you think of some bottom-of-the-run convenience store clerk that most people ignore, having the worst week of their life where all their problems are piling up and they’re just miserable and on the verge of giving up, then you come along and make them laugh, that laugh might be the most valuable thing they’ve ever been given.
You have to really start to believe that people get value from interacting with you and that you bring a lot to the table just by being a social fun interesting guy who takes an interest in them and treats them like a real person.
“Is it just having that great life and inviting them into to come have some fun and play?”
This is awesome if you can do it. A great role to get into is being the social connector who introduces people to other people. So say you meet 3 people in random interactions thru the week, and you tell all 3 of them that you’re planning to go to some bar with friends later in the week and they should come. They show up and you introduce them to eachother and brush off the fact that you’ve only just met all of them and just focus on including everyone and having fun together, and now you’ve given them all value because they’ve all met some new people and had a good time. Then you chat up the table of people beside your group and introduce them to your group and now you’ve just “merged sets” and now you’re the social connector and you’ve given everyone value and a couple girls in that other set have perked up wondering who you are. Collect some numbers to txt and keep in touch and next time you pass thru that city you’ve got a handful of people you can hit up to do stuff with and can probably meet some girls thru them over time.
Like you don’t have to be Heffner throwing parties at the grotto with half-naked women lol You could arrange a bowling night or some other activity/hobby or even on a normal night out tell everyone it’s suit night so they should dress up and just create little mini “events” for people to have fun and escape their boring routine life at. Personally I like bar-related events because if you, say, set up a wing night where a handful of you go for wings somewhere, that’s cool but you’re only interacting with those people…whereas inviting those same people out to watch a sports game at a bar or just to celebrate something at a bar, you have them to interact with but there’s also a lot of other people around you (including cute girls) who are up for meeting you.
It helps to understand that a lot of people are just very passive…they’d love to make new friends, especially fun social interesting ones that can add value to their lives, but they’re scared and awkward and don’t know how to keep in touch. A lot of times people are almost relieved when you say “let’s exchange numbers and we’ll go for a beer sometime” because they’re thinking it themselves but don’t know or are too nervous to make it happen so when you’re proactive they’re like “oh whew! yes we should definitely hang out again, this was fun!” and relieved that someone’s taken the reigns to make it happen.
You don’t have to txt these people big long conversations every day or anything lol you might just grab a # and then a week or month or few months later shoot them a “hey it’s Name, I’m passing thru town again this week. Let me know if you’re free to go grab a beer, I didn’t get to see much of the city the last time I was up!” If they can make it, cool, if not that’s alright you can chat up more people and make new friends and invite them a couple more times in the future just incase they simply had a full schedule that week.
Think of it like being around you is awesome and you’re giving everyone an opportunity to be around you and enjoy that awesomeness. When I approach a girl i’m thinking to myself “wow is she lucky to get a chance to meet me, because I know her life is probably routine and boring and she looks bored right now and I’m going to be the most interesting guy she’s met in months, so she’ll be relieved that I’m making her night more exciting by saying hi”. 🙂
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big reply in moderation, check back in a bit
“I think I am going to keep it simple just tell her Tuesday but I can’t stay out late…I have an early meeting on Wednesday.”
yup, do this. She WANTS to hang out again but she needs you to help disarm her ASD that says “he just wants you for sex and expects you to put out if you meet up with him”. This will help disarm her ASD. “oh he can’t stay out late, so I guess he can’t have sex…but he still wants to see me? so this is like a date with no sex? that sounds innocent, right ASD?” and then when you meet up you go flirty and sexual as usual lol
check my reply when it’s out of mod for more details on the specifics of getting her from your date location to the hotel without triggering ASD.
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@reco: that 2:30a call was a drunk dial, she’s missing you and wondering why you aren’t contacting her. Right on cue. Hold the line and don’t respond.
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@walawala thanks for the input that’s what I thought. She is looking for the attention. And she has not been getting it. So you are right nothing has changed she has not done anything to earn it. And I cannot say on the bad behavior since there has been no contact for two weeks.
So I wait. And keep spinning plates. However a few have dropped out I am going to have to learn prospecting for more.mlol
So how much longer do you think I should wait? Week or two?
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In December on OKC I met a cute 34 year old divorced teacher who I gamed perfectly: escalation the first night, k-close. She actually lived 5 minutes away.
I was recovering from my break up so was not looking for anything serious but needed a confidence boost.
She was a church girl or so she said. But I gamed her constantly, escalating texts, sexualizing the conversation.
Then I went on holiday. She banged me before I went on holiday.
We were hot and heavy for a few weeks after that–but only during the week. On weekends I went out with my friends.
Then she started getting all whiny and I knew where it was going…she wanted “to be taken care of”—not financially, she had money…but with some beta chode treating her like his sick bird.
I think she broke up with me…I replied with “gay”.
She still sends me texts. She claimed she thought she had cancer and would I pray for her. Me: “Did you bring me that hot sauce from your trip to Mexico?”
it was interesting…I gamed her perfectly because I honestly didn’t care if I saw her or not.
And I did suggest we meet up before her trip and she blew me off. I never asked her out again. She would write me saying she wanted to get serious with me etc etc.
Me: “Good luck”.
I think there’s a learning in this for you. Don’t get so wrapped up emotionally in all this stuff.
I just met some hot chick on Tinder. We were supposed to meet up on Friday—her suggestion because she’s new to the city and it’s her birthday.
Then she texts back 2 hours later: “Sorry, can we move it to Saturday?”
Me: “you’re buying the first round. I’m out, let’s meet up 12:30”
Her: Why so late?
Me: I’m with friends Saturday
Her: Oh…let’s hang out another time.
Me: ok
I think we’re about the same age. I am also divorced—15 years now for me.
I’m now meeting up with girls in their 20’s. They’re fun but often flakey. They don’t take shit that seriously and neither should you.
You’re wondering “omg omg when am I gonna get a 26 year old to blow me again?!???!?”
Trust me…you will. Just don’t freak yourself out with this scarcity mentality.
I’m doing so much better than I was 4 months ago just because I pushed myself to go out, number close, meet girls anyway I could: social circle, street close, online…Some worked out, some didn’t. But now i’m so much more confident in just going for it.
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Huge success with OKC. Chicks love it. I have a great opener, playful, sexualizes it without being creepy and I’ve banged nearly every girl I’ve taken out.
Your text game is too wordy and try-hard.
I suggest you order Krauser’s book “Daygame Mastery”. It has a huge chapter devoted to text game, how to do it, the reasons and the structure.
These endless chats that lead no where are more validation for her than you.
You’re making HER feel great with all the attention but it doesn’t have a purpose for you.
You have to text with a purpose. Getting her out.
I give girls 2-3 chances. If I ask out and get push-back then I drop it for good.
If a girl is interested in meeting up she’ll make the time not muck around being “busy”.
I get flaked on all the time.
One girl I am gaming shows huge interest. I suggest meeting up. She can’t or flakes. It’s now happened 3 times so it’s done until she brings it up.
This is the reason behind building up a small harem. You don’t want to be stuck when all options back out and they do back out often at the same time.
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@reco great progress!
hb9 – stay dark…2 months from last contact…then just – ‘hey, come out for a drink’…she still doesn’t think anything has changed…her hamster is telling her that your wife found out and you have to lay low for a while…she still thinks she has control…
wait for the massive texting/phone call barrage when it goes on tooooo long for her hamster to spin up excuses…she’ll panic and will try anything to get you to contact her…’my car broke down’…’i’m at the club and my friends left me’…’i miss you for sex’, etc. ask yourself what would she do if you didn’t exist to her…i.e. call a cab…so don’t respond bcz aaannnnyyyy response and she wins = gets validation…
and those shitty feelings are just beta weakness leaving your body…they are the remnants of the idea that polite social graces have a place in the reproduction of the species…
the emotional roller coaster is good feeling…bad feeling…goooood feeling…no feeling…repeat…and you have to lead her through those feelings.
your alpha chops are getting better every post…
#1 – i forget who posted on this regarding her being frustrated, but that was a good analysis…takeaway = do her in the car if you have to…actually that might be fun for her…pretend you’re back in high school and don’t have anyplace else…chicks loooove playful scenarios…
also, no beta ‘pecking’ (look it up, it’s around here somewhere) posts. all texting moves the relationship forward or don’t do it… also, this one might get some ASD too. just because they’re 40 yo, doesn’t stop that…same game plan as #4. plausible deniability for her hamster, and it’s all good. let her hamster be your friend, and it’s all easy sleasy…
#2 – predictions are good. not every girl is going to work out. got to break some eggs to learn how to make an omelet.
girls who are really into you are waaaay more slutty than most guys are ready to know about…just look at the OP up top…
#3 – good plan…use her for pre-selection…it’s all good…
#4 – follow YaReally’s game plan/advice. also, here’s some homework…think about her age and why she might really be pushing the ‘prude’ idea…you’ll have a better handle on her ASD and what to expect = more accurate predictions/game plan…if you need crib notes, see Rational Male’s SMV timeline series…
#5 – good job! hold your frame…make her buy dinner and hotel every third date…you’ll be back at her place on your third date…
just a note…from YaReally’s post
“Then you chat up the table of people beside your group and introduce them to your group and now you’ve just “merged sets” and now you’re the social connector and you’ve given everyone value and a couple girls in that other set have perked up wondering who you are.”
this is an automatic DHV and puts you at the very top of any social interaction/venue you are in…the number of people in society that will do this is minuscule, (and even less people actually feel comfortable when doing so) despite the fact that most everyone welcomes the interaction…it’s part of the fun vibe. nobody is going to kill their fun vibe buzz by telling you, ‘how dare you talk to us’…so there’s really no downside to doing this…also, no women will do this (unless she’s interested and is giving you a shit test right away), so, if the guy does this, just take his girl, (and if she does it, pass the test and take her home…) because he just DLV himself by being threatened by you just saying ‘hi, meet my friends’…
who violates social conventions?…alphas.
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@walawala thanks that helps a lot. Its good to see your perspective when dealing with a similar situation. I really want to get this handled. And yes I still get the feeling of scarcity and loss. Even though I know logically what is going on. Emotionally I still feel the other bullshit. I am not sure how to defeat that other than just keep plowing through and spinning plates. By the way how is your success on OKC. I hear about it a lot on here but have never tried it.
@HABD Thanks I feel like I am making progress. My confidence is getting better. I have gone no contact with my HB9 like everyone has suggested. However it just does not feel like I am going to all of a sudden going to get a flood of contact from her like you said. Seems so unlikely. I know scarcity mentality. But you guys know the best. Thanks to you and the other guys on here and Amy for all of this advice. This is more than I could have ever hoped for. And believe me I read what ya’ll have written over and over. Also I see what you are saying about approach. I am going to have to work on this. Very much a weak area for me. I am like a baby learning to walk. With the added challenge that no one around them wants the baby to walk so. I am going to start small with talking with people in lunch lines at the deli or Starbucks. Just friendly innocuous conversations. Then escalate to more challenging situations from there. I also like your idea about using the #3 hottie for preselection. I just have to get her out to venues with lots of other hot women.
@yareally, Great stuff and so much information. I really soak this up. And with my limited time I am trying to apply as I go. My #1 40 yo blond is good to go for meeting Thursday night. She is much more direct and talking sexy. I will escalate with her right away. May never get out of hotel. Lol This car sex thing is funny. Never had done it. Sure would like to try. How do you keep from getting caught? As an aside my best friend is an Alpha. And it is amazing how he gets these women to serve him. He will call them up. Tell them he is going to be at a certain place they meet him and blow him. And then they go back home to make dinner for their family. If they tell him they cant leave they are in the middle of something her will just say. Nah never mind. And then the women will just say ok I am on my way. Amazing. I grew up watching this guy work and always telling myself. I cant do that. That’s not me. Or I cant do that. That’s not right. What the fuck was I thinking?
So here is the latest with #4 so she texted me Sunday night last night asking when I will be in town. I told her Tuesday but cant stay late have to be up early. For ASD purposes. Then she texted back that she will check her schedule. And yes I know she is trying to line me up to be her provider prediction right. I also think I sparked some real sexual interest in her. And that is what I want to be. The Aplha dog that fucks her all the time. But let her think that I could potentially leave my wife and be the beta provider she needs. So then this morning we texted just friendly good morning stuff non sexual to avoiding ASD. But there has been no mention of confirming Tuesday night. Then she says she is in the busiest three weeks of the year. So I am trying to predict. She is getting ready to cancel on me. I also predict she is waiting for me to ask about Tuesday and try to confirm before she says anything. However I am not going to. I am going to wait and see what she does and if she waits too long after 8pm tonight. I am going to tell her Nah I made other plans already and drop it, no contact for a day or two. Or I could say made other plans and allude to meeting with someone else. But not sure how to do that. Suggestions? Or is there something else I should do? I am sure this is a shit test.
Also potential #6. Background I meet this very very cute 20YO Brazilian/American chick online a couple of months ago. Very sweet young and innocent. She lives in a rural area a bit of a drive from me. And she seems to be kind of isolated. She has friends and family. But she spends most of her time taking care of her mother. Watching her slutty sisters kids. Or being a Nanny for other familys. She does not have a car or her own independent life. Very cool intelligent fun to talk to. Very soft spoken and proper. Nothing like the slutty 20 YOs you see a lot of. I would not think she was hardened at all. So we got into a nice line of communication texting and talking. She was very excited to meet me and so was I. Remember this was during deep plugged in beta phase. So I had no clue. We schedule a time to meet it is at a restaurant near her house since she has no transportation. Communication is good. Up until about an hour before we meet. She goes silent and flakes on me. I don’t normally do this but I sent a nasty text back to her. Nothing real bad. Basically just telling her about karma. Anyway no contact since then. I wrote her off. It could very well be that she was just scared to meet and got spooked. We never talked anything sexual or got into that kind of stuff. Well just a few minutes ago I noticed on my phone she had called and hung up. What do you think? Is this salvageable. I put it at a low percentage. Should I call her back or text her? Or wait? Or ignore? Its been three months since the flake.
Finally I feel that this adventure is taking me down the rabbit hole and I am not so sure there is a way back. And my already dead marriage will be the main casualty. Its as if I am in this bubble and it’s a pretty damn nice bubble. Get everything I need. But all along I can see what is going on outside the bubble. Then I have gotten this little reprieve from the bubble and got to taste the stuff on the outside. And don’t know if I can ever get back in the bubble. Any younger guys out there take heed. The security of that bubble can be a prison and lead to tremendous regret.
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@reco
be ready for some ASD from the 40 yo…might not happen, but have a plan in place if it shows up…
“And yes I know she is trying to line me up to be her provider prediction right.”
no and yes…that’s the ‘B’ answer…and from the external view point that’s what it looks like (from the red pill beta perspective…), but get inside her head and go for the ‘A’ (alpha) answer…why is she ‘pushing’ the prude idea?…look at it from her hamster’s point of view…
“Then she says she is in the busiest three weeks of the year. So I am trying to predict. She is getting ready to cancel on me.” and whhhyyyy would she do that, if she has sexual interest? when you answer your homework question, you should have your answer…and your game plan…
re the 20 yo…”It could very well be that she was just scared to meet and got spooked. We never talked anything sexual or got into that kind of stuff. Well just a few minutes ago I noticed on my phone she had called and hung up. What do you think? Is this salvageable. I put it at a low percentage. Should I call her back or text her? Or wait? Or ignore? Its been three months since the flake.”
it never hurts you to play (just ignore past mistakes as if they didn’t exist – don’t bring them up and if she does, change the subject)…just make some predictions, get a game plan, and play… could be one of many things – she was holding out for an alpha and you were too ‘nice’ and now she wants some validation and pinged you, or her ASD kicked in a the last minute (or ASD’s sister socially awkward disorder – SAD) maybe she wasn’t ready to be seen in public with a stranger/old guy/etc. with no ‘chaperone’…if she is traditional and feminine maybe that’s it…whatever it was, just take your facts that you know, figure out your game plan and play…what can you lose? make predictions, play and observe…
“Finally I feel that this adventure is taking me down the rabbit hole and I am not so sure there is a way back.” that’s true enough, but once you suck off all the bitter and choke it all down, that red pill is surprisingly sweet…just has a unique aftertaste…
“And my already dead marriage will be the main casualty.” doesn’t have to be…just game your wife (it really is good practice)…she’ll lose weight, be more agreeable, put you on a pedestal, etc…it’s good for your kids to see that shit…plus, if you work it right, you can have her scheduling your dates, so you can just relax and enjoy the process…lol (only slightly kidding…but not really…see the OP…)
good luck!
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@reco
Short reply:
“She is getting ready to cancel on me.”
This is probably correct.
“I also predict she is waiting for me to ask about Tuesday and try to confirm before she says anything.”
This is definitely correct. It’s a shit-test like you think it is.
Handle it by saying NOTHING. Act as if you don’t even have plans together lol Like if she brings it up all “are we going out tonight still?” then cool go for it. But if she brings it up to flake you can shoot a simple ambiguous “k” and then radio silence ignore her for a few days (Soft Next for flaking). And if she doesn’t bring it up, you don’t bring it up.
I know this is annoying because it’d be nice if you could know in the morning whether you’re hanging out or not at night, but right now you’re playing a little game. Also if it becomes inconvenient for you, like she txts you at 7:30pm “are we still on for 8?” and you’re like, in your underwear watching important kitten videos on YouTube and it would be a hassle to make it, just txt her back “sorry, didn’t hear from you so I made other plans. We’ll try again next week.” She’ll be pissed but she’ll get over it and chase because she likes you and will learn “if I play these games he’s perfectly willing to ditch me”.
“Should I call her back or text her? Or wait? Or ignore?”
Txt her “who’s this?”
“Finally I feel that this adventure is taking me down the rabbit hole and I am not so sure there is a way back.”
There isn’t, sorry. 🙂 “I could be happy being poor if I had never been rich” lol It’s why a lot of anti-game blue pill’ers adamantly fight the red pill. If they accept it exists and really open their eyes, but don’t have the motivation/willpower to actually adapt and work on their lives to prosper in the new unplugged reality they’ve discovered, they feel helpless and powerless and like the world is unfair and they can’t be happy. So it’s easier to forcefully reject all of this and keep their eyes shut and convince themselves they’re happy in their incel marriages to fat wives who are about to divorce them and take their kids away.
This is why it’s important for this stuff to get out there, and why I write my shit. We need guys to read this stuff before they go the socially conditioned route of getting married and fucking themselves over…it’s cool if they still choose to do that, to each his own, but they should be aware of what their options are so they don’t end up trapped and duped.
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Ok. This is getting complex and taking lot of time. Lol but I asked and I am willing to do the work. I read Rational Male recently. I went back to Rollo’s site and I found the excerpt below from SMV. I think what you are implying is that I need to work this hard and have a really strong Alpha frame. Am I correct? Or did I totally miss the boat? And still not sure how this plays into her claiming she is a prude. Is she trying to impress me that she is marriage material? The other guess I could make is she is trying to get me to conquer her. To come after her hard. But I do not believe this is the case.
@yareally You kind of spelled it out for me. Keep it close to the vest. Do not contact her wait for her to contact me. She likes me and she is sexually attracted to me. She has told me that she thinks I am an Alpha, she did not use those words she said I sure was confident. I don’t think she wants the cave man thing. She wants me to be aloof and hard to get and to have too much value to mess with her little silly games.
So act like there is nothing going on. And I am not impressed with her petty shit. I predict once again that she will not contact me until late. And then she will try to blow me off. My plan is at that point I am going to ignore her and move on. For a couple of days. If she protests I will just simply say you said you were going to contact me and you did not so I made other plans.
Also what did you mean by texting “who is this” do I do that like a joke or say that and then go silent? When would I do this? She is going to know I know who she is. Don’t quite get it. I know this is advanced game stuff but I do get some of it.
Or am I totally missing it again.
31 to 34 year olds
In some ways, women in the 31-34 age range are the toughest broads to game. (By “toughest”, it is meant “most time consuming”.) It’s counterintuitive, yes, but there are factors at work besides her declining beauty which mitigate against the easy, quick lay. For one, it is obviously harder to meet single 31-34 year old women than it is to meet single younger women. Marriage is still a pussy-limiting force to contend with for the inveterate womanizer, but Chateau apprentices are hard at work battling the scourge of mating market disturbances caused by the grinding and churning of the marriage machine.
But the bigger reason 31-34 year olds are harder to game than any other age group of women has to do with the wicked nexus of entitlement and self-preservation that occurs at this age in women. When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.
[…] “I have an easier time bedding and dating 23 year olds than I do 33 year olds.”
This defies all logic until you see it through the eyes of the hamster sweating its fluffy ass off in a woman’s brain. (Poor little creature must be pooped out by the mid-30s.) Sure, a 33 year old is not as hot as the 23 year old version of herself, but her ASD is through the roof, as is her self-conception as a hot marriage-worthy commodity. Many older women will tell themselves that their experience, maturity, accomplishments and financial stability mean they should be way more valuable to men seeking wives than some young babe on the take. Of course, they have to tell themselves this because reality isn’t making it easy to believe.
These are the kind of women who have sexual flings with college guys, because they can psychologically box those men in as “purely for fun” adventures. But the men the 31-34 year old women really want are the older, established men who will give them a marriage proposal and a family. This is why it is counterintuitively harder to game the older woman who still retains a vestige of her youthful attractiveness: she wants and expects so much more than the younger woman.
Now on the 20YO. I predict that she did want me to call. I am going to text her tonight something like:
Hey watsup…got your call today…so you been thinking about me.
Then see what she says. My next prediction is that she is probably looking for someone Alpha, I was pretty much a pussy with her. But she was very feminine and sweet so I adjusted down. Probably being more beta. Not sure if that was right but probably not. My next prediction is that she will not respond since she is afraid I will be mad at her. And she will avoid the confrontation. But I will try.
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@reco
“The other guess I could make is she is trying to get me to conquer her. To come after her hard. But I do not believe this is the case.”
Nope, it’s not. You just scared her off by triggering her ASD so she needs it to settle. The more intent you show, the more you’ll scare her off. You want the deer you’re trying to approach to relax and think you’re just a harmless tree because you startled it and need it to calm down. Chasing it down will just make it run.
“Also what did you mean by texting “who is this””
If she flaked on you 3 months ago and you guys haven’t talked since, you don’t have her number in your phone anymore. You’ve been too busy being a social outgoing alpha guy who’s phone is filled up with better girls who get with the program and don’t play silly games. Girls do this all the time, they delete guys they haven’t heard from in a couple weeks or months. It’s basically a way of saying “if you aren’t going to get on board then I will cut you out of my life because I don’t waste my time on dead ends”.
“Now on the 20YO. I predict that she did want me to call. I am going to text her tonight something like:”
Nope. Don’t do it. This is the exact same mechanic as the 2:30am call you got from that other chick. They’re trying to goad you into chasing because they know you’re sitting at home with your hand on your dick lonely and desperate, saving their numbers and desperately waiting for your chance to chase them and hope to get a chance with them.
That’s why the “who’s this?” is powerful. It shits all over their “he’ll chase me if I shake my ass as I walk past him” frame and makes them wonder “wait, he DELETED me?? wtf?? Does he have other options?? Are these bitches hotter than me?! wtf!!”
If you call/txt her you’re basically confirming to her that you are one of her orbiters that will let her off the hook of flaking-then-ignoring-you for 3 months with no punishment or consequence because you’re so desperate to have her back in your life that you call her back as soon as she rings you.
She may even pull the “what? no that was an accidental dial sorry.” and basically tool you because she got what she wanted: your validation and confirmation that she didn’t miss out on a high-value man who would have deleted her number by now for being retarded.
If you say “who’s this?” she worries that she passed up a high-value guy. When you’re the guy who’s like “hi sally, remember me from math class? we talked about politics and you said this really funny thing about obama and we laughed and you were wearing that blue shirt you said your mom gave to you and I said it looked pretty? remember that? remember me? LOVE ME!!!”, you’re showing that you’ve invested in her when she not only hasn’t done anything to earn your interest/investment, but this one in particular, by flaking and then ignoring you for 3 months, should actively have LOST your interest/investment.
It’s basically doling out a punishment for her shitty behavior. Girls respect men who call them out on being brats.
Also your read on older chicks is solid. A lot of them are in that warped ground where they think they deserve a provider but they also still kind of want cock lol I skirt around this by not coming across as a provider in any way so they know I’m just for fun while they find a provider, but as an older guy they’ll probably place you in the provider category by default unless you actively fight that image (by being married, aloof, not doing romantic couple date things, kicking them out if they don’t put out, etc.).
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@reco
“Now on the 20YO. I predict that she did want me to call. I am going to text her tonight something like:
Hey watsup…got your call today…so you been thinking about me.”
Nope, don’t do it. Her response will probably be along the lines of “huh? oh wrong number sorry” and she won’t continue the conversation and you get nowhere and look like a tool.
Use “who’s this?” and force her to shit-test you (which you pass and build attraction). I have a reply in moderation right now that explains this in more depth, wait for that to show up before you do anything with this girl.
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Ok…I will standby on the 20yo…the other 33yo MILF just sent me a text saying happy cinco de mayo…I am going to answer with whats goin on girl and I expect her to cancel. Then I am going dark.
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Ok here is the current text exchange with the 33YO MILF. Let me know what you think neither of us has mentioned the date for tomorrow night. I think she is just stalling waiting for me to asked. And I have been aloof with her but non sexual. Its really kind of amusing. I am doing this right? Should I just wait her out? Or not respond anymore? I dont mind saying this whole thing is getting a little tedious to me. But I am hanging in there.
Her: Happy Cinco de Mayo! 6:18 PM
Me: What’s goin on girl 7:08 PM
Her: Drinking vino after the day kicking my ass up til the end and I kicked it right back. 7:08 PM (she has never been this manish in the past)
Her: Plus making dinner 7:15 PM
Me: I had an awesome day. 7:28 PM
Her: Good baby!!! Mine was awesome after I proved my bosses wrong 7:30 PM (she is using more sweet words with me lately)
Me: Are you showing them whose boss? Lol 7:31 PM
Her: I bitched slap my bosses for pissing me off!!! It was great 7:32 PM
Me: I dont know if I should be hanging out with you. 7:37 PM
Her: Why??? It was an expression. I proved them totally wrong and it felt awesome. 7:39 PM
Me: I could see it now I take you someplace nice…your steak is not cooked right and next thing I know you are throwing down with the waiter. 7:42 PM (me teasing)
Her: No, I’m not that way AT ALL!!! I’m always very polite and lady like. I’m silent but deadly when my boss puts me against the wall. 7:43 PM (she has claimed many times that she is a lady)
Her: I’m a southern lady and my dad would come down from heaven and hit me upside my head if I ever got out of line. 7:44 PM (alluding to her father being alpha with her right?)
Me: We’ll see 7:47 PM
Her: Lol…it’s fine. Even my ex husband and grandmother would atest to this. Hate when people try to prove me wrong. Under pressure is when I thrive. They were very, VERY, shocked to say the least. 7:48 PM
Her: I pride myself on doing a GREAT job 7:56 PM
Her: Very well behaved; just dont prove me wrong in my profession. They learned a lesson and had A LOT of repsect at end of day! 8:07 PM
Me: Go for it girl. 8:09 PM
Me: I bet your cute when you get all tough :o) 8:12 PM (more teasing)
Her: They were very surprised. I was very opinionated ( but professional). They forgot I’ve been doing this 9 yrs (still trying to qualify herself I think my frame is pretty strong here)
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@reco
“But the bigger reason 31-34 year olds are harder to game than any other age group of women has to do with the wicked nexus of entitlement and self-preservation that occurs at this age in women. When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.”
yep…she’s 33…so she just hit the point where her SMV is in decline (and is speeding up…) and her male version counterpart SMV is on the rise. so, she is caught between wanting you (alpha) and her self-preservation instincts in trying to lock down someone into marriage. she has had ‘epiphany’ and ‘decided’ that she’s done with ‘jerks’, and is ready for a ‘Real Man’ ™ (beta) but she still has enough looks left to give her hamster some material to work with…
her claiming that she is a ‘prude’ (and pushing it sooo hard) is the code word for a carousel rider who just had her ‘epiphany.’ it’s like the ‘born again virgin.’
it’s important for her to get that image out into the world because that is her beta bait, to show all those ‘Real Men’ ™ that she is worthy of their investment of resources…’oh, if only i had met you when i was younger…where were you then…’ etc.
that means she wants to…but…she knows she can’t lock you down, since you told her “passionate affair” and not “i’m leaving my wife next month…” so she is weighing the ‘one last fling’ fun (and her hamster is pitching the ‘what if he’s one…” narrative)(to get those good genes…) v. losing the time to find someone to marry (and all her previous experience is pitching the ‘he’ll just dump you like all the other ‘jerks’ reality). all this is going on below her awareness level, so her ASD is super-charged and you’ll get ‘more’ of the normal stuff…
go with YaReally’s tactics. he’s had waaaayyy more in-field experience than me…but when you can put yourself into her hamster’s shoes, you’ll be able to up your predictive accuracy and % success…
great job on the texting…
‘Me: We’ll see 7:47 PM
Her: Lol…it’s fine. [did you catch this when it happened? What is her frame here? did you spot this and wait to respond? if so…good job! it got her qualifying to you…] my ex husband and grandmother would atest to this. Hate when people try to prove me wrong. Under pressure is when I thrive. They were very, VERY, shocked to say the least. 7:48 PM
Her: I pride myself on doing a GREAT job 7:56 PM
Her: Very well behaved; just dont prove me wrong in my profession. They learned a lesson and had A LOT of repsect at end of day! 8:07 PM
Me: Go for it girl. 8:09 PM
Me: I bet your cute when you get all tough :o) 8:12 PM (more teasing)
[you could lose the ‘i bet’ for a stronger statement…]
Her: They were very surprised. I was very opinionated ( but professional). They forgot I’ve been doing this 9 yrs (still trying to qualify herself I think my frame is pretty strong here)
nicely played…good job!
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“Ok…I will standby on the 20yo…”
Don’t standby on it, literally send the words “who’s this?” Ideally you would have done that in the evening last night where the two of you could’ve gotten into a deep conversation with her in bed thinking about you but now she’ll either get that txt during the work day when she’s busy with other distractions, or you’ll have to send it tonight when it’s been like 2 days since her call and is now a bit weirder to send. You should’ve send it that night like I was saying lol
Still send it, but try sending it this evening. Evening is always better than day, unless she works at night.
I’d guess the reason you’re hesitating on sending it is because you’re stuck in the paradigm of “our interaction should be positive, or non-existent”. You’re scared to give her “bad” emotions so you don’t want to send something that might offend her. You’re looking to send her some kind of cocky/funny “thinkin about me eh girl?” response that’s positive, but that’s ignoring the fact that she acted shitty (flaked on you with no warning/apology and then ignored you for 3 months). She KNOWS she acted shitty and deserves some kind of punishment. If you reward her shitty behavior with your positive attention, you will be teaching her that “if I act shitty, he’ll still like me” and she’ll just act shittier and shittier trying to get you to snap.
Why does she do that? Because she wants to see where your boundaries as a man are. She knows exactly how far she can cross her dad before he spanks her ass. And she knows she can walk all over 90% of the chodes that orbit her and they’ll let her get away with anything. She needs to see if you’re one of those chodes or if you’re like her dad who will punish her when she acts bratty (flaking, no apology, then silence for 3 months).
Why do girls watch soap operas, Twilight, movies in general? Because they get to feel the full spectrum of emotions, good AND bad. No girl wants Bella and Edward to just meet and get along and get married…they want conflict and tension and drama and fear and ya it’ll turn out good in the end but they want to feel that full range of emotions when they watch Twilight.
It’s okay to give her bad emotions when she’s earned them by being bratty. Especially on a 20yo who’s testing how far she can push guys and what she can get away with because she’s just entering her sexual/social prime and figuring out what her magic pussy will let her get away with.
If you had sent the “who’s this?” that night like I said, I could tell you what she was probably going to write back and how to get it back into a positive thing (usually she’ll test you back with a “wow you deleted me” without saying her name and you stick to your “no idea who this is” guns by sending a “apparently. who’s this and why are you calling me and hanging up?” and then she caves and says her name and usually says she dialed the wrong number by accident and you tease her saying she must have been drunk booty-calling boys and then she lols and now you’re back on a positive interaction together), but having waited, you’ll have to see what happens. It might still play out that way, but I can’t predict it now lol
You DO let her back in and turn it into a positive interaction, but you make her work for it first so she knows her behavior was shit and you don’t tolerate that. She DOES want to reconnect, that’s why she dialed you in the first place and still even has your phone number (she probably just broke up with a guy), but you don’t want to be the old guy who’s been saving her number hoping she messages you someday to save you from your lonely life. You want to be the badass old socialite who’s met so many women that you forgot she even existed and you don’t waste time on flaky girls so you deleted her number when you hadn’t heard from her in a month because that’s just the kind of guy you are. (you don’t actually delete it, you just let her think you do)
“Should I just wait her out? Or not respond anymore? I dont mind saying this whole thing is getting a little tedious to me. But I am hanging in there.”
lol this is kind of a direct result of txting becoming so popular. In the old days you only had to talk to the girl if you actually called her or she called you, so every few days or once a week you’d have one conversation. But now it’s like they can shoot you txts all fucking day and keep a conversation going and as a man it’s like “I got shit to do, i can’t txt all day”.
One thing to keep in mind is that you don’t have to respond to every txt. Try just dropping out for a few hours mid-conversation now and then. I don’t even respond if a girl sends me something like “wow it’s cold out today brrr!” It’s not worth my time. If she wants my attention she can send me something flirty that’s leading towards us hanging out.
I would go radio silent on the 33yo till Wednesday and see what happens. You’re already prepared for her to flake, so it’ll just get her hamster spinning wondering if you took some other girl out instead of her etc. If she txts you “hey are we still on for tonight?” like she intends to meet up, then ya go ahead and txt her back and go meet up and bang her. But if she txts like “hey I have bad news…” like she’s going to flake, just don’t respond at all until she coughs up “I can’t make it tonight :(” and then just give her a “k” and radio silence till Wednesday (she’ll probably send an “are you mad at me?” but you just ignore it…it’s okay for her to feel bad emotions when she does shitty behavior like flaking on you, it reminds her not to flake again) and Wednesday you just send a “no it’s fine I made other plans. we can try again sometime.” and leave it hanging…within a week or two she’ll say “hey babe I’m free wednesday!” in a way where she’s letting you know her schedule is free and hoping you’ll ask her out, and you do take that bait and ask her out because she’s been punished and probably won’t flake and then you get the bang.
Maybe I should draw this all into a flowchart hey? lol Sorry it’s confusing but re-read it a few times and write down on paper or something the different possible outcomes. This is a really common pattern you’ll run into again and again, that’s why I can explain it (and how to solve it) in depth.
Anyway, just keep in mind regardless that the 33yo loves you. She thinks you’re fucking amazing. You just scared her off a bit with the ASD stuff, but i don’t see any reason you won’t get this lay on the next date.
Also the reason you have to jump through all these tedious hoops that are annoying and take up so much time is directly a result of your dropping the ball game-wise in-person. Like that’s not an insult, like “oh you suck you should just quit trying loser”, it’s just a logical result of the game you executed. If your “get her into the hotel room” plan had been slightly more solid/smooth (like you invited her in “not for sex” and with a false time constraint etc. and she had actually entered the hotel room with you and you were able to get around any LMR and bang her), you wouldn’t have to deal with any of this at all.
You also wouldn’t have to deal with this flakey game-playing shit if you had NOT gone too far on the date and just romantically kissed her and left her hanging and wanting more. She would be working to make another meet-up happen for closure.
But because you escalated past that romantic point into sexual makeout territory, without being able to fully seal the deal, THAT is specifically what’s cause this damage control situation you’re in now where her ASD is going off and she’s acting all interested-but-hesitant/flakey. Like it is a DIRECT result of the actions you took.
So in a way you can look at it like: yes this is definitely tedious, no one would disagree with that…buuuut technically speaking, YOU (inadvertently) caused this tedious situation. That’s okay tho because logically if you were able to CAUSE this situation, then if you tighten your game up a bit (and you will, like you’re already working in a much better “get her into my hotel room” gameplan that’s likely to succeed and get you the lays) you will also be able to AVOID this situation in the future. 🙂
I think one of the things that drew me to game was how “cause and effect” based it is. A lot of the guys who think girls are bitches sluts shallow rude unfaithful etc. don’t realize that those girls are pinging off their environment for how to act and are just responding to the stimulus and expectations those guys are providing them and that if they tweaked their game/mindsets/etc. a bit, that bitchy chick who back-turned them at the bar like a bit ol’ cunt would actually be like a sweet purring kitten for them.
Anyway good luck! I recommend shooting the 20yo a “who’s this?” in the evening, and just being radio silent with this ass-kicking girl to see what she does and assume she’ll be a flake on tonight. Hell the radio silence all day might make her NOT flake because it tells her you give no fucks and that makes you a guy she shouldn’t flake on. hard to say but see how it plays out lol
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@having a bad day
Great breakdown of what’s going thru the 33yo’s head with regards to her SMV and one last fling and all that shit. Spot on.
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This is awesome stuff. I am your humble student.
33YO has not called or confirmed so I am going to soft next her for a few days no contact.
20YO I am going to do the whos this? text later today and see what happens.
And I am going to try OK Cupid and see how that works. Also if I have some time I will try an approach today. This is the hardest.
I will update you on a newer post soon.
(this comment was above but in the wrong place) lol
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@YaReally
…go on…trust me…take the red pill…go on just trrryyyyy it…everybody’s doin’ it…lol
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“A politically correct bullshit society”. Sounds about right.
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naa don’t think we would lose
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Who is “we”?
The title and pic for this video are a bit misleading. The speech isn’t really about any possible WWIII.
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at the end it says us would lose
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“we” most certainly would. Said so Hermann Goring, very plainly.
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It really depends on what kind of girls you’re going after. It sounds like this dude is going after some serious slores and ho’s. With every woman you need to be stern, sometimes “mean,” but I don’t think actively working against your own nature all the time is worth it. Then again, I have much different priorities than Just Saying.
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“…although I wonder how anyone can have taken so long to awaken to female psychology.”
The reason is the same as why most people still worship life and happily dance along as if it’s some magnificent operation: you’ve been brainwashed since day 1 and don’t question that which makes you feel good (or at least gives you hope) for fear of peering off into the abyss as your prior thoughts are deemed to be nothing.
It’s ironic that Just Saying (and a host of other “alphas” all over the place) employ selective mental targeting like those they criticize, it’s just that one group does it regarding sexuality and the other does it toward life in general.
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I’m curious as to what you do with your life. Not that I necessarily disagree with your black as oil all-encompassing nihilism, I just wonder how you live day to day when that’s your outlook.
I feel like I’m almost where you’re at but still going through the motions of life as if there was some purpose to it, some kind of endgame. I want to reach that breaking point where I just say fuck it and go rogue for good.
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I think game needs to be introduced to young men gradually and early. I mean, I used to just shut out talk of girls not wanting “nice guys” because it flew in the face of everything I’d been taught. The evidence was all around me, of course. I remember living in a dorm room next to this black guy who would randomly lock his white girlfriend out of his room because of some perceived misdeed on her part. She’d cry outside his door making a spectacle of herself for hours and he’d eventually let her in and I’d hear them fucking through the walls.
Fast forward to grad school. I was still ingesting the blue pill. I was dating a 5 I met after a dry spell. I wanted to get rid of her and didn’t have the balls to dump her so I just started acting up hoping she’d dump me. This escalated from me cancelling dates at the last minute and joking around about cheating on her to me bringing a pretty cousin into a coffee shop where I knew her best friend would be working. This completely backfired. She clung on tighter than ever. I had no more illusions from that point on.
Many parents seem to enjoy filling their kids’ heads with idealistic BS about relationships. But I’m going to make to sure my daughters learn how to play hard-to-get and identify high-value men. And if I ever have a son, I’m going to teach him game.
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It’s not like you can dictate how your children behave. Yeah, you can try to lead them, but look at you: you hate what your parents sell you, and it’s very possible your son will rebel against you in the same way (many atheists have children who become religious kooks and vice versa). Why would you want to have children anyway – to have an ego boost and show how proud you are of your ability to fuck?
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To clarify, I already have children – two girls. It was part of the price of admission to land my partner and I like the idea of my genes living on after my death. Kids aren’t for everyone though.
Anyways, I like to think I’m doing alright when it comes to manipulating their little minds. EG, I know that when they start dating the proper way to deal with unworthy boyfriends will be microaggressions, framing their behavior as beta(“creepy”/”clingy”) and subtly undermining their status. Whereas a beta dad would resort to logical arguments or ultimatums which don’t work on kids/teens.
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“It was part of the price of admission to land my partner [yep, this is often the case] and I like the idea of my genes living on after my death [this is your psychology/society making you think this matters in any way – which it doesn’t – but whatever].”
“I like to think I’m doing alright…” [it’s funny how little control we have in life, and yet in order to make ourselves feel better we say “yeah, I’m doing the right thing, etc.” – just don’t get your hopes up, because you’ll likely inevitably be faced one day with “how the fuck did that happen?”]
I’m not picking on you in particular – I’m just pointing this stuff out to whoever reads it. Best of luck the rest of the way.
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“living…next to this (nigger)who would randomly lock his white girlfriend out of his room…she’d cry outside his door…for hours…” Zombie Shane? If that was your daughter? (Your bun from the oven)Like that ugly Mexican says on the ABC tv show,”What Would YOU Do?”
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I’d invite him to dinner and use microaggressions to make my daughter aware of his low place on society’s totem pole, IE “So what does your dad do for a living, DeShawn?” Acting like I’m okay with him(you don’t want her hamster thinking she’s in a Romeo and Juliet situation). Also, making sure she’s on some sort of long-term birth control like the depo shot and holding my breath.
(I have this idea that I’ll show my daughters a grave in the local cemetary of a woman who was killed by her thug ex. Or at the very least make sure they’re involved in extracurriculars with a sense of danger like riflery and rock-climbing.The idea is to convey that actions have consequences.)
I’d definitely be interested in hearing what Shane or any others would do in this unpleasant scenario.
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Several of the commenters here have brought up something I’ve noticed:
If you’re actively working on “being an Alpha asshole” and wondering to yourself “what would an Alpha do in this situation?” then how is that different from actively working on “being a nice guy” and wondering to yourself “what would a nice guy do in this situation?” In both cases you’re trying to adapt your behavior to what you think your woman wants. The only difference is that one view seems to be more accurate than the other.
Now, one can go two ways with this. For all you nice guys, white knights, etc., realize this: guys using Game are trying just as hard to please women as you are. They’re just doing different things. They’re doing things that REALLY please the women at an instinctual level, instead of doing what women mistakenly think they want. When you put it that way, who’s really being the insensitive douche here? The players are actually making women happier.
The other way is to think about what you yourself REALLY want. We talk about women’s character being shaped by social expectations, but it’s just as true of men. The Red Pill shouldn’t be just a different set of rules to follow and expectations to meet, it should be a liberation. What do YOU want to do? Spend some time alone and really figure that out. Do you want to be desperately appeasing your woman all your life? Do you want to be desperately gaming her? In both cases you’re making your happiness contingent on her reaction.
Look inside yourself. Learn who you really are, and do what you really want. Not Mommy and Daddy, not Teacher, not The Boss, not that chick you’re trying to land, not your idiot friends . . . YOU. Who are you? What do you really believe and want? Once you find out, go after those things and let nothing stand in your way.
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“Look inside yourself. Learn who you really are, and do what you really want. Not Mommy and Daddy, not Teacher, not The Boss, not that chick you’re trying to land, not your idiot friends . . . YOU. Who are you? What do you really believe and want? Once you find out, go after those things and let nothing stand in your way.”
You say this as if there’s some magic potion inside each person that, once unlocked, will lead them down the happy happy happy road. The bottom line is that people fluctuate regarding what they want; it changes in different circumstances. All our wants come from deprivation. This deprivation – the need, the want, the desire – is what drives people to do things. And we don’t get to choose what we want either. Contrary to what the free will crowd preaches, our desires are not dictated by us. We just feel them and then react accordingly (no, I didn’t choose to prefer girls with blond hair, etc.). So right now I want to act like an asshole to make the girl happy, but later on I realize that won’t work this time and I act more romantic. It’s a never-ending cycle.
You seem like a reasonable buy, but ultimately your post here is just a bunch of disney fairytale disguised in a different way. Sadly, most people on this board will believe you though.
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It is true that our wants fluctuate, but with enough reflection and emotional sterilization we can train ourselves to filter out the “feels” that are symptoms of deprivation. And when I say we, I mean Men (not just males). Obviously women can’t do this as they are slaves to emotion.
Sometimes what we want isn’t even known to us so you have to go out and chase shadows for a bit. But as long as you free yourself of societal conditioning and brainwashing you will eventually arrive at Truth.
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“Look inside yourself. Learn who you really are, and do what you really want. Not Mommy and Daddy, not Teacher, not The Boss, not that chick you’re trying to land, not your idiot friends . . . YOU. Who are you? What do you really believe and want? Once you find out, go after those things and let nothing stand in your way.”
You say all this as if there is some magical potion inside us that, once unlocked, we are free to run down the happy happy happy trail. The bottom line is that our wants, desires, needs (which are all deprivations) 1) constantly fluctuate and 2) aren’t dictated by us. The free will crowd will preach that “you can do anything” while you’re here providing motivational mush that’s only practical at a moment in time (that is, until that need/want wears off or changes and you’re stuck with the next one. It’s a cycle. As I said before, the nature of the life game is deprivation. We all have them, and we always will have them. And yet they constantly change. So your little pep talk is ultimately nothing more than a disney fairytale that can be capture in a moment in time, before it’s whisked away from you.
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Regarding the original ‘alpha confession’ posting by Just Saying….
My response….SURE! NEAT STORY BRO !!! Have anymore?
WTF-ever. “You can have any other woman you want – as long as you still see me”. Riiiiiight.
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“WTF-ever. “You can have any other woman you want – as long as you still see me”. Riiiiiight.”
Legit happens. A fuckbuddy had to flake on me this weekend and encouraged me to go pickup another girl to bang because she felt bad that she had to flake on fucking me. This kind of stuff isn’t unusual when you set the frame that sex is normal and something you as a man require and expect.
In the OP’s case, the girl is mainly just concerned that she’s more important than the other girls. I talk about this a lot in my archives where I talk about having a Primary Secondary etc. most girls won’t actually mind that you have other girls as long as they feel like those other girls don’t mean anything to you but SHE does. It’s surreal to wrap your head around until you experience it a few times tho lol
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After reading this i got out of the bathroom entered the bedroom and said, “why haven’t you gotten up and made breakfast yet? For that I’m going to see if I can squeeze a drop of pee out of my dick yet.” And I did and proceeded to wipe it on her tit. Breakfast soon.
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such a badass – do you offer classes?
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Vai de mine, o pizda care vorbeste cu curul.
Ce ciudatenie.
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Re: Negroes
After correcting for IQ, do negroes still ‘outperform’ other racial groups for criminal behaviour?
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I had a roommate who was a total natural. One of his slampieces came over (I had never seen him be nice to her) and I buzzed her in. She came in blabbing on her phone and when the roommate went to talk to her, she gave him the one minute sign. His eyes widened then he tackled her to the floor and slapped the phone out of her hand. I laughed and left to go on about my business. I found the next day not too long after I left he fisted her on the living room floor and she was “loving it”.
I have not, before or since, seen such a display firsthand.
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“No More Mr. Nice Guy”, by Robert Glover is like the gateway-drug to the state of the COTW.
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Read it…excellent book. You are right. it is the gateway. It lead me to this.
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Met my wife for lunch recently at a place she’d been to, and I hadn’t. It’s a fair drive out, too. After we’d ordered, and were waiting for food, the following happened:
Her: I hope this was worth coming out for.
Me: We’ll see.
Her: You were supposed to say something corny like, “Seeing you is worth coming out here for.”
Me: Yeah, but what if the food is bad?
Her: Well, I guess I’ll have to make it up to you then.
Aftermath: the food was mediocre. The atonement sex was hot.
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@Alkalannar
“We’ll see” is my most recent go-to phrase when girls ask about themselves or ask something demanding a definite response.
“Is me dancing improving?” We’ll see
“Are you dangerous?” We’ll see
“Will it be any good?” We’ll see
“I’m not going to fuck you tonight..” We’ll see
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