1. “Unnatural Selection.” A brisk narrative of the history to date and the history to be made of the Darwinian culling machine.
2. A contrarian’s argument in favor of porn as sexual sufficiency strategy. (Note: Linkage does not necessarily represent Heartiste endorsement. CH believes that there is a greater risk that too much porn viewing, like soliciting prostitutes, will psychologically deflate a man’s self-perception.)
3. At the neural level, Catholics think differently than atheists about moral dilemmas. You think IQ research is dangerous to the status quo? Wait until researchers begin uncovering population group differences in the moral senses.
4. Hello, M’Lady. It’s funny ’cause it’s so godawfully true. “Stalkers have balls, hello m’ladys just make you feel guilty.” Odds that Amy Schumer is a CH reader? She couldn’t just come right out and say “beta males”; that would be too obvious.
5. Mangan’s Breviary lists the top 10 supplements for men’s health and strength. A hearty thanks! One strengthening supplement not on Mangan’s list that I’ve read good things about: Xpand 2X. Opinions welcome in comments.
6. Women love sexist men. Everyone is catching up to the wisdom of Chateau Heartiste. Here’s another example of the Hivemind bending to the will of CH. I hate to preen, but… oh who am I kidding. *preen*
7.The neg’s neurological power is universal. Rude salespeople who disqualify potential customers make more sales. I see a shift in the mainstream reporting landscape towards more acceptance, at least tangentially, of tried-and-true game techniques. Almost forgot… the above link requires the obligatory “Ha ha, it’s Cheap Chalupas!”
8. One confounding variable that behavioral genetics studies may miss is the influence of the external environment on adult life outcomes.
9. Mozart was a Red Pill kinda guy.
10. Monogamous societies are superior to polygamous societies. Lots of interesting angles explored here by Razib Khan.
11. Racists make a better first impression than appeasing suck-ups. Who’da thunk it! /sarcasm
12. Self-segregation alert: Most whites don’t live anywhere near appreciable numbers of blacks. Tim Wise ducked for cover. Implication: The twisted multicult state apparatus survives in direct proportion to the number of whites who don’t experience its vibrantly diverse curses blessings.
13. Another study finds that women are most attracted to lean and toned male bodies. Not fat, not overly muscled. (CH observes that if the choice is between skinny or swole, always go with swole. There are enough beautiful babies who love meatheads that the average female preference won’t matter so much to you.)
14. Calories, and willpower, count: Self-monitoring fatties edition. In related news, 80% of Americans don’t exercise enough. Coincidentally, 80% of Americans think being a shambling mound is A-OK.
15. A “dark triad” personality test. Find out how irresistible you are to women.
If you want to know about supplements, http://www.Examine.com is the way to go (Roosh just talked about it on RotK)
LikeLike
overheardz in a starbuckz conversationz girl tellz guy:
“Well, I guess if you’re not into butthext, a cock in hand is worth two in the tush.”
lzozoozozozoo
LikeLike
Why I don’t buy the psychopath test: these questions are essentially about how one *regards oneself.* A true psycho would not be cognizant that he is a psycho; he would regard himself as normal. “I avoid dangerous situations.” Wouldn’t a person that puts himself in dangerous situations actually not regard these situations as dangerous? “It’s true I am mean to others.” Wouldn’t the psycho be mean to others without understanding he is mean? Isn’t the hallmark of the psycho the lack of self-awareness? “I use clever manipulation.” Wouldn’t a manipulative person in fact, say, “no I am not manipulative.”
LikeLike
Those are all excellent questions.
What’s more important is that you’re seeing the big picture well enough to even be axing the questions in the first place.
Never assume that someone else’s point of view is going to bear any resemblance whatsoever to your own point of view.
LikeLike
BTW, Cleckley is the master here.
Chapter 19 is available for free online:
http://cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/cleckley.pdf
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/psychopath-game/
LikeLike
and a true machiavellian would know how, and be willing to, game the quiz.
LikeLike
on the sales angle (#7) i went through some of that a decade or so ago. it was called ‘sandler sales technique’ and you essentially try to get them to convince you why they would be the type of person that would need what you’re selling. and it applied almost directly to girls.
LikeLike
Classically, salesmen [especially of luxury goods, such as cars, jewelry, cosmetics, liquor, and insurance] were widely considered to be some of the scummiest sub-human vermin in the entire society.
So now we’re idolizing them and their techniques?
Honestly, I really don’t want to live in a nation filled with open-collared gold-chain-wearing aftershave-reeking greasy-haired creeps.
Personally, I kinda liked the old America that I once knew and loved.
LikeLike
There have been writers who have written hostile texts about salesmen. The thing is, poets and most writers know very little about how society works, and they definitely don’t know much about production and sales. They are just angry that they have to pay for stuff.
That said, there need to be some rules for trade, in various ways and for various reasons. Just like we need rules in various contexts. We have had this throughout human history, for example restricting trade with an enemy nation, banning false weights on the scales in the marketplace, etc. However, the socialists have used some bad trader behavior to demonize the whole profession, just like libertardians take any bad behavior in any government to demonize all government – which ignores much of Western history. We should reject demonization and realize that it’s individuals who do bad things, it is not trade or government as such that somehow turn people into devils.
LikeLike
I’m not talking about industrial ball-bearing salesmen pointing out that their bearings have six sigmas of whatever whereas their competitor’s ball bearings have only two sigmas of whatever.
I’m talking about scumbag psychopaths using evopsych manipulation to bend and break the wills of women and weak-minded omegas into doing the psychopaths’ bidding for them.
Just because we know damned well that these techniques work doesn’t mean that we should turn the entire society into frigging Jonestown in an all-out race to the bottom to prove who was the biggest baddest most nihilistic sociopath of them all:
LikeLike
sandler sales technique
good stuff
LikeLike
“9. Mozart was a Red Pill kinda guy.”
The 18th Century was a Red Pill kinda century. Cosi fan Tutte was mainstream thinking back then, not radical at all. Men knew (and know) what women are inherently amoral.
LikeLike
*Men knew that women are inherently amoral.
LikeLike
Anybody else notice that così fan tutte basically means “AWALT”? NAWALTers pwned by Mozart. lozlzozloz
LikeLike
I’ve often thought that the title is left in Italian for that very reason. I remember being surprised when, as a student of Italian 101, I figured it out.
LikeLike
Beethoven was a classic white knight and I’ve heard that he wrote Fidelio in response to cosi fan tutte.
LikeLike
Don Giovanni (they both have librettos by Da Ponte) is also compulsory reading and listening for Manosphere types. From the first scene we learn that women cannot cope with sex unless it is within marriage (or presumably paid for). Donna Elvira thinks that because Giovanni shagged her, they should marry. Leporello, Giovanni’s servant disabuses Elvira explaining that Giovanni has flags for most countries and his N – so far – including her, totals 2045. Donna Anna – unlike Elvira – thinks that as Giovanni has shagged her she must have been raped (yeah, whatever, Anna). After Anna’s father is killed in a pointless duel he was bound to lose (white knighting for his daughter whom he cannot believe is a little slut gagging for Alpha cock) Anna’s Beta Orbiter and all round Omega Don Ottavio, who clearly is not getting any offers to be false-rape-accuser Anna’s Father and Lover in one (subtle hint of the probability of Incest between Anna and her late Father).
Join us for Scene 2 after these messages from our sponsors.
LikeLike
That’s a hilarious take. I like opera so I’ve seen the play live and I recommend it, although others who like opera probably heard it also.
LikeLike
The movie “Amadeus” about Mozart’s life is also a classic display of many of the CH axioms and concepts. Mozart shows invincible aloofness in all situations; mocks with glib charm the powers that be; moons the king when he’s being chastised by His Highness; wins over his wife with great push/pull innuendo; practices radio silence when she annoys him, by disappearing and reappearing at will; teases and taunts his wife mercilessly; exudes confidence at all times.
LikeLike
he was part coon
LikeLike
Mozart was a Papist, writing for an utterly corrupt Hapsburgian audience in Vienna.
The Christian women of that era, on the other hand, were expected to adhere to a vastly higher standard of behavior.
BTW, when I first moved up North and started meeting Papist dudes in large numbers [and also Jewish dudes], I was shocked at how poorly they treated their women – a lot of them treated their girlfriends worse than you would treat a dog.
LikeLike
What’s the difference between Jewish and Catholic women? Catholic women have fake jewelry and real orgasms. And here’s why:
BTW, when I first moved up North and started meeting Papist dudes in large numbers … I was shocked at how poorly they treated their women – a lot of them treated their girlfriends worse than you would treat a dog.
LikeLike
It’s true, man.
Coming out of a nearly purely Christian upbringing and culture and ethos and milieu, moving up North and watching Papist [and Jewish] dudes abuse the living daylights out of their women amounted to some serious cultural shock for a poor naïve Southern boy.
LikeLike
Actually, I got the impression that Jewish dudes were more likely to go the beta bux$$$$$$ route (see: Mark Zuckerberg). Hence why Jewish women have the real jewelry and fake orgasms. (What’s Jewish foreplay? Three hours of begging.)
Although perhaps you were hanging around in the the ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.
LikeLike
I wonder if its just an Irish-Italian-German *less outbred* thing that you notice in regard to catholic badassery. More corporate-minded WASP gentleman tend to be bleeding heart liberals.
Then again, civilized history is littered with stories Norman valor. I guess this defies generalization.
LikeLike
The only time a Jew is not beta is when he’s omega. Jews invented beta.
LikeLike
Not sure which “jews” you’re talking about here.
Maybe the Hollyweird propaganda “jews” which are made out to be harmless little soft-n-fuzzy betas?
LikeLike
ZS:
Israelis and American Jews seem to be two different breeds in a way. The former are more alpha, the latter more beta. As with Jewish females, I suspect beta male machinations, by Jewish betas in particular, are responsible for where we are today.
JB:
Possibly… I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it was the most outbred parts of Europe that tended to go the most Protestant. Catholic ethnics in the USA are a bit like the muzzies in Europe, but less extreme and without the anti-European cultural problems.
The Normans were the elite in many parts of the outbred core of Europe while it was still Catholic, but they still maintained some clannishness due to snobbery. They knew they were the alphas where they were, and weren’t as likely to stoop to marrying common hoi polloi.
LikeLike
Speaking of classical music: how long before classical music is labeled racist?
After all, classical music…
…comes from way back in White history
…comes from Germany (and Austria, but most Americans can’t find that on a map)
…has no leftist message
…”promotes technical skill at the expense of social awareness”
…was often written for use in churches
…is almost entirely created by Whites
…contains several “racist” composers
…is mostly performed by Whites
…is often liked by “racist” Whites
…”just gives that feel of a dark Medieval past” (It’s not from the Middle Ages, but who cares)
You don’t think it can happen? Of course it can. Classical music is too beautiful and too distinctly European to be allowed to stand without being humbled. I suppose the only thing that has saved it so far is that there have been some Jewish composers.
LikeLike
Arbiter
Speaking of classical music: how long before classical music is labeled racist?
——————————————————————————————————-
How many musical instruments have you mastered?
Can you read and write music?
Why not?
Low IQ?
LikeLike
I think you will find that Classical Music also comes from Italy and England and France.
The fact is that Germany, France, England and Italy can trace the origins of Classical Music, back to its roots in Polyphony in the 12th and 13th centuries; what is also unique about it (amongst many other things) is that it is written down – in a most ingenious script based around the stave (Pentagram) – something no other civilisation managed, which is why today if you want to write serious music you must both utilise western methods and western instruments and forms.
Amongst the many things that sub-Saharan Africa failed to invent (along with the wheel and writing) is Fugue.
Doubtless there will soon be affirmative action in favour of black composers (there are a few, though somewhat less than the rather ordinary women composers that also get resurrected and with the same tiresome regularity as with the resuscitation of Dracula – all in the spirit of equality, of course).
Black singers really should white-up when performing Opera (except when playing Monostatos or Otello).
LikeLike
Amongst the many things that sub-Saharan Africa failed to invent (along with the wheel and writing) is Fugue
——————————————————————————————
“Classical” music is so linear machines will soon write it BETTER than the white man.
LikeLike
thwack who invented those machines? do I really need to type that?
thwack’s comments are really really good 80% of time but 20% of time he’s butthurt. it’s weird.
LikeLike
Grim
thwack who invented those machines? do I really need to type that?
——————————————————————————————–
Grim, Arbiter, Opus, Corvinus, Scray and I are sitting at a bar on Saturday night. In walks a gaggle of 5 hot white girls; they get a table near the opposite wall.
thwack; excuse me gentlemen but Im gonna go talk to them girls.
Grim: You can’t do that.
thwack: why not?
Grim: because your ancestors didn’t invent anything.
thwack: What?
Opus: thats right, your ancestors didn’t invent the fugue, wheel, airplane, skyscraper…
Scray: srsly LOL
thwack: so what does that have to do with me right here right now?
Corvinus: it means you don’t know how to do anything because your ancestors didn’t know how to do anything.
thwack: They knew how to catch what they hunt; which is obviously more than you clowns know.
(thwack walks off ; Scray looks around and makes an excuse to leave too)
LikeLike
lol I’d actually grab a spear, strip down to a loincloth, and put a bone through my lip before staking out my snowflake prey, thwack. Oh wait…I’d need a viking helmet and some bagpipes as well; gotta represent the specific bloodlines of mah other haff. Once more into the snatch, dear friends.
LikeLike
Someone seems to have an inferiority complex.
LikeLike
You need to invent something.
LikeLike
“Hatestat request: Anyone have info on the racial breakdown of same sex prison rape? Who instigates, who is victimized?”
I’m your huckleberry:
http://www.vdare.com/francis/prison_rape.htm
LikeLike
Dark Triad score …
68 68 23
I’m a Compassionate Narcissist!
LikeLike
I was very high on the Narcissism index, and somewhat high on the Machiavellian scale. Need to work on the psychopathy.
LikeLike
High on narcissism and machiavellianism and low on psychopathy is classic beta. Girls perceive these types as “creepy niceguy ™”. They are perceived as not attractive by girls. Girls like the uncaring psychopath.
Think about it. Manipulative but not fun. The loners, not the party frat boys. Truly caring about others and the crap state of this world. That’s a downer.
I’m one too.
LikeLike
this isn’t the least bit true. archetypal beta males have low self-esteem (low narcissism), and trusting instincts that preclude an exploitative personality (low machiavellianism). the lower your dark triad tri-score, the more beta you’re likely to be.
LikeLike
it appears I’m an utter psychopath. scored lowest in narcissism.
deal with it?
LikeLike
Who cares what you think? It’s all about me. heh
LikeLike
I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome I am. (Imagine picture of Captain Kirk. Internet meme.)
LikeLike
I scored high on Machiavellianism(84) and around the median on narcissism and psychopathy. I think my psychopathy score will go up as I get older though because even though I do understand things from the perspective of others, I’m finding out that I’m caring less and less about it as I get older, which isn’t necessarily bad because it often made me stay in my head instead of approach.
LikeLike
20 68 26 reporting in
LikeLike
Of course you are.
(Pat on the head)
LikeLike
11 86 11
Cynical but not shallow or self-absorbed. I need to try harder.
LikeLike
11 78 4
Same here.
LikeLike
I am 51 on narcissism, high on manipulation and low in psychopathic behavior. Which I consider a great score. My narcissism is at the golden average, and I know how and when to manipulate, but I do it for good.
Plus I read Machiavelli’s The Prince when I was 14 so I could dispute my teacher’s cursing that Machiavelli was “crazy”. Machiavelli was an excellent writer who told it like it was. Conservatism 101.
LikeLike
20 50 75
The visual perception test with the slices was difficult, I wish they would explain or discuss what that part of the test actually meant. If anyone has a clue please respond.
LikeLike
It’s a quick IQ test.
LikeLike
35 62 35
Percentages are fine, but I wish the test told a bit more about what these scores combined together mean.
LikeLike
20 62 35
I would’ve thought I was more self absorbed.
LikeLike
Damn, 95-97-97
LikeLike
Machiavellian Psychopath.
LikeLike
Of course you are.
(Pat on the head)
LikeLike
I realize that I’m an outlier and this won’t apply to everyone, but ever since I started taking Adderall and watching porn my sexual stamina has been off the charts. Not to mention the act has been overall more enjoyable.
LikeLike
Adderral works on the neurotransmitters in your brain and basically alter your brain chemistry like any other drug (MDMA etc) just different mechanism and different neurotransmitters (dopamine). So it amplifies anything dealing with dopamine (I.e. Orgasms). Personal opinion: Don’t think Adderral should be allowed to be prescribed. It’s dangerous and can be abused very easily. I’ve taken it a lot before. I’m just saying an opinion….search adderral horror stories on google. Just saying.
Oh and smoking weed on adderral is a double whammy. I actually wouldn’t recommend it b/c heart attacks are common when you do that ha
LikeLike
80s in narcissism and Machiavelli and 60 in the emotional one.
Id say true.
So how do I up that emotional score… ha
LikeLike
Adderal and Ritalin are basically pharmaceutical cocaine. Which is fine if that is your thing but never, ever think you are doing anything different.
LikeLike
I don’t have a prescription and I “abuse” it quite regularly. Hey, life is short.
“pharmaceutical cocaine”
Even better than the real thing!
LikeLike
Swell;adderral is giving this guy super orgasms and you wanna poo poo that?? Me,I’m gonna go out and get me some of that stuff today!!
LikeLike
Pretty much anyone who did MDMA, mephedrone, cocaine etc can tell you that sex feels better on it. Those who say otherwise did said drugs without having sex on them.
LikeLike
everything feels better on blow. (authorities: so i’ve heard.)
LikeLike
It’s also unsurprising that Adderall makes you have better stamina. Speed does that and it’s why people who use speed have more energy at 10am at afterhours parties than a lot of people do at 10pm. Do you take Adderall because you need it? I took online ADD tests and they said I should see a psychiatrist to get tested for ADD, but I don’t feel like popping pills to fix it. I’m trying to sleep better and I’m taking omega3 supplements at the moment and my ability to concentrate did improve.
LikeLike
..take like 10-15 diazepams a day if you need to calm the fuck down…all my green is like uppers lol…doesn’t help with that..and stop drinking shitty beer…rouge dead guy or a good red tail or something along those lines provides a better buzz…of course if you just want to go crazy of your ass drink and a lot of pbr and icehouse even…you’ll get ur ass kicked…lol
LikeLike
shit..NFL players use adderal..that’s the highest authority..
LikeLike
@ Will
Who gives a fuck? heh
LikeLike
If you don’t want to fuck with your synapses quite that seriously, then caffeine ought to do the trick.
Pop a caffeine pill and fuck like a rock-hard dildo.
Might be also true of nicotine, but I’ve never tried it.
LikeLike
really strong coffee…and aspirin together is the shiznit..
LikeLike
What’s the thinking on the aspirine?
Seems like it would be an anti-inflammatory and a mild anti-coagulant.
LikeLike
..blood flow
LikeLike
blow is awesome.
‘Even better than the real thing!’
no
LikeLike
you guys gonna get me started noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
LikeLike
Good links. Will definitely check out that pre-workout as am in the market for something new. I would also recommend AE Nutrition APE as a relatively good test booster. Placebo effect or not, my last bottle had me feeling great.
LikeLike
11) comes as no surprise to me. In my interactions with black people, they always respect me more when I’m upfront about my racial views. They have nothing but disdain for SWPL hipster goons. An honest man is an honest man, regardless of color or creed, and most people can appreciate that.
LikeLike
It’s a great neg to non-White women too, to show that you notice their race. And show that you’re not one of those nancy boys who crawl on the floor begging forgiveness on behalf of the White race. You show that “You are what you are, I am what I am, we know where we have each other.” That is actually how THEY see it, but they never get the chance to talk to any White guys about it.
LikeLike
Slave girl gots to beg for da white dick from she Massa.
“Oh Massa, you l’il slave girl be needin’ you so bad, Massa. Why you be spending all night in de big house wit dat White Witch? Oh cum to da bunk house tonight Massa. Oh please, Massa, please, I be needin you so bad, Massa. Oh please!”
LikeLike
13. Did they control for amount of muscle at low bf in that study? A low bf skinny guy is way diff than a low bf muscled guy. And while low bf is prob important, having muscles in addition does help. No I’m talking about something more than ‘toned.’ Something along the lines of the heracles reek statute — i.e. near the max of natural genetic potential. The difference in reaction low bf + muscles gets from the opposite sex — on sight — is pretty significant.
15. 65 84 89. Not too terrible.
3. Great. As an atheist, I’ll never deny the real life facts: every group of atheists I’ve ever been around has been some degree of collective sewage. Even the best ones were as decent as your average churchgoer. So what if there’s scant evidence behind a mysterious-force-in-the-sky? Like one of my favorite characters says: if the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
LikeLike
Pretty much. Organized atheism is full of beta males (either feminist or libertarian) and feminists.
Just because a frame of mind technically corresponds better to the actual universe doesn’t mean it’ll help you–some delusions are useful. Narcissism isn’t actually true–you’re probably not that special–but there was a reason the boys in ‘Boiler Room’ were told to ‘act as if’. Confidence is key with the ladies.
LikeLike
While I don’t disagree that God is a figment, I also cleave to the evidence that religion and God(s) arrive with civilization and culture. The fattie votive offerings of Venus vom Willendorf suggest humans required that leap in metaphysical abstraction to become fully human.
LikeLike
“organized atheism” – who would join an organization based on that? I join science clubs and Mensa. Only leftists exploit atheism as a way to push a leftist agenda.
On another note, the Catholic Church is bleating out its opposition to the new Georgian right-to-carry law. So are the Episcopalians.
Bishop Wright: “I don’t know how you reconcile Jesus who says, ‘Love thy neighbor, love thy enemy,’ and at the same time being armed to the teeth.”
Indeed you don’t. Europeans have still armed themselves anyway, despite religion, and like all other peoples conquered land, out of instinct. Then been made to feel guilty for it, so they have to constantly “beg forgiveness” from the church, which strengthens its grip. As Nietzsche described it, this is how the slave morality (weakness good, strength bad) is used to control people.
So it amuses me when religios paint atheists as leftists. And whether religious or atheists, the leftist is not someone I like.
LikeLike
Director
The fattie votive offerings of Venus vom Willendorf suggest humans required that leap in metaphysical abstraction to become fully human.
———————————————————————————————–
Hmmm… I wonder where they got the idea from?
LikeLike
> “humans required that leap in metaphysical abstraction to become fully human”
Dude, you’ve just about argued your way right into full blown gnosticism right there:
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_(Christianity)
LikeLike
‘science clubs and Mensa’
As an empirical matter — not much better than atheist groups re: douchenozzle incidence. Also a notable absence of hawt chix. Seems like the hotties are all god-fearin’, or group-avoidin’.
Checks out, they don’t need to have any well-developed beliefs or anything.
LikeLike
Dark Triad test scores: 3, 35, 7. Guess that’s the Light Triad. Story of my life…
LikeLike
Of course it is.
(Pat on the head)
LikeLike
I could only get those scores by being Machiavellian about my answers on the test. 😛
LikeLike
indeed. an inherent flaw in tests of this nature.
LikeLike
Yeah, that’s my problem too. I’m too paranoid to take the test seriously.
LikeLike
mfw all you people ITT not knowing percentile.
20th percentile means only 20% are higher than you so lower scores = “better”
E.g. Mensa has a 1st percentile entry requirement, which is a 130 IQ – only 1% of people score 130 or higher.
LikeLike
wrong. 97th percentile means you are higher than 97% of others.
LikeLike
Uh, no. Percentiles are usually counted from the bottom. Mensa requires an IQ in the 98th percentile, meaning the top 2% of the population.
Also, as IQs are standardized to a mean of 100 and standard deviation of 15, an IQ of 130 is 2 standards above the mean, which for a normal distribution is the 97.5th percentile.
So…stick to commenting on getting laid. It’s more fun than math anyway.
LikeLike
Wow, serious commenter. “so lower scores = ‘better'” How could you not know that percentile X means how many percent are below X? Especially when you make a post about that specifically.
And SFG is right, Mensa’s requirement is that you are in the 98th percentile. Or the 99th, natch. (And you can’t be in the 100th percentile for obvious reasons. Not everyone can be below you.)
I have noticed however, that IQ is far from enough when you want to gain wisdom. Not even IQ and experience are enough. Not even IQ, experience and interest are enough. The fourth factor is courage, and it is very important. Those lacking courage will routinely move past “dangerous” information they know might get them in trouble.
LikeLike
…go commit a crime or two…it’ll help ya..
LikeLike
I think all those m’lady fellows look like chubby Bryan Singers.
LikeLike
“13. Another study finds that women are most attracted to lean and toned male bodies. Not fat, not overly muscled. (CH observes that if the choice is between skinny or swole, always go with swole. There are enough beautiful babies who love meatheads that the average female preference won’t matter so much to you.)”
it’s like when people say you’re too big! fuck that noise. the girls that like this body type are exactly the girls i want to be around. unshakable confidence will get the girls, but unshakable confidence will also get more girls if you’re the biggest around
also why i cut all my hair off. full head of thick ass hair, but it’s too damn thick to do anything with! so off with the hair it is. the girls that like no haired men, really like no haired men
ALSO, why there is no beard here. lots of girls proclaim to like beards. but do you want to be with these girls, have you seen them. i believe the majority of hotties doesn’t lie within the beard loving category. nothing against beards, i see a wicked beard on a guy and give him props. some make people look better for sure. but congrats on growing that from nothing and having to put up with all the prickles in your neck and itching and whatever else comes along with having an awesome beard lol
LikeLike
Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life,son…
LikeLike
ha! awesome.
LikeLike
I’d like to see a study control for the female chooser’s beauty.
My theory is that uglier chicks put up a pre-emptive shield (guys with abs are gross!) to cushion their ego. Because if they’re not attracted to guys with muscles, they can’t really be rejected, right? RIGHT?
All told, hotter girls probably cop to preferring muscles, lower BF%, and height slightly more. (Though diminishing returns will apply; the bodybuilding monster will always be a niche market)
LikeLike
I never understood the aversion girls claim to have towards overly muscular guys. Granted, no one ever said I was particularly discerning when it came to a guy’s looks. I don’t really have a preference between lean muscled or full out Ahnold. I don’t get what the aversion is about.
LikeLike
..it’s the way they act…like dorks..
LikeLike
The study also says that masculine traits are not consistently connected to attractiveness. They tested 69 Latvian women on this. (Interesting number.) I have seen another study showing this, with more test subjects.
Good or bad news? Well. Keep your body fat low and work out, but not excessively. That’s all we can say.
Note: ten percent body fat is not too low. Read from a manosphere blog maintained by a bodybuilder that in his experience women considered him the most attractive when his body fat was around ten percent.
It takes a lot of effort to get down to ten percent. So don’t worry about becoming too lean.
Also note, it is not unhealthy to have ten percent body fat. People gasp when they hear that number, but that only shows how fat we have become.
Google body fat and you’ll see pictures of men and women with different levels of body fat. You’ll find that ten percent for men does not look skinny at all, but looks just fine. (Fifteen percent for women.) Go for it! It’s healthy.
LikeLike
I started bodybuilding 4 years ago after my hockey and rugby days were halted from nasty knee and ankle injuries.
50lbs of muscle later. yes, I went from a 7 to an 8.5/10. that’s my judgement. if I wasn’t 5’8” I’d be a 9 me thinks.
LikeLike
being short puts you at an advantage in this game though
unless you let the fact that people think you’re always little man syndroming, who gives a fuck. that’s about the only thing that i think could get to people unless they just fully regard and keep on being awesome
LikeLike
You did not gain 50LBs of actual muscle.
LikeLike
If you’re growing a beard on your neck, you’re doing it wrong. Maybe that’s the problem? I have a goatee, where the mustache part is black and it flows down into a salt and pepper (more salt than pepper) beard on the chin, and women love it.
Agree on the “big muscular man” thing. Lots, and I mean lots, of women like a guy built like Hercules. Not the roid-rage “way too big to represent a human shape” build (which is off putting), but the kind of build like you saw half the guys in the movie 300 sporting. All other things being equal your average girl responds better to the built guy with confidence than the skinny guy with confidence. Maybe it’s just where I hang out though, but note that I live just 20 minutes north of Ohio State University campus and there are no shortages of hot young women around these parts that I use as a basis for making these kinds of calls.
LikeLike
nah even a week growth on the top of my head i go fucking mental and just need to cut that shit off. same reason for not having a beard. just can’t stand hair at all lol
the guy on the left is sort of what i’d look like if 300+ lbs. only 220 now though 5’9″. a beard would def work, but never any hair was meant for a head that shape. could be all the tren too lol
LikeLike
@burninator
this is what i picture you look like in my head
and this is when you’re mad
don’t fuck around lol
LikeLike
HEARTISE: “the history to be made of the Darwinian culling machine… uncovering population group differences in the moral senses…”
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that John Calvin’s Predestinationism was a harbinger of the entire body of Charles Darwin’s work.
In particular, I’m having a harder and harder time denying the really horrifying truth that some folks – and some groups of folks – simply have better genes for morality than do others.
In particular, it seems to me that all that wishful universalist thinking back in 1776 – “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” – applied perfectly well to the Christian peoples of Northwest Europe in the late 18th Century [English, Scots, Dutch, German Anabaptist] who went about establishing this country, but that, at the same time, that wishful universalist thinking applies to almost no other people at no other time in the entire history of the human species.
Furthermore, I sense that all those other peoples KNOW DAMNED WELL that the wishful universalist thinking doesn’t apply to them, and that they are fully cognizant that they want nothing more than to see their own Tribe destroy, annihilate, and eradicate all other tribes which stand in Its path.
And that all of these differences in outlooks on life emanate from some very profoundly genetic propensities, which may be dadgum near impervious to any possible cultural influence to the contrary.
LikeLike
Enter thwack bringing up negroes being three-fifths of a person in 3..2..1..
LikeLike
I think the early NW Euro settlers knew their “universalist” morality was unique to them, hence the formalization of slavery and the like.
True kool-aid drinking universalist ethics seems to be preached by a few culture-controlling shysters, then bought and sold by the status-whoring NW Euros in masse.
Hence, it is not necessarily the NW Euro’s universalist philosophy that is the problem, it is his Status Whore at all costs gene, the same guy that would happily call a negro a negro in 1850 is now the biggest advocate for affirmative action. It’s all about who is in power.
LikeLike
I think thwack been shot
LikeLike
three FIFFS
LikeLike
Universal Ethics are literally a North West European phenomenon.
LikeLike
This.
They were so frigging naïve.
Or at least their ideals, as those ideals have been handed down to us over the centuries, were just hopelessly naïve.
LikeLike
The American Constitution was a great experiment worthy of respect, a great way to test organizing a society in peacetime. Sadly, we see that we are not living in peace. There are no tanks rolling over us, but we are not living in peace.
I think the Founding Fathers would be the first to say the Constitution is not enough to fix things today. In fact, they said several times that you should tear up the old laws and revolt if necessary for the people’s survival and well-being.
In fact – the Constitution was not what people fought for in the American Revolution. It didn’t even exist then. Something that is usually forgotten. They fought to create a land for themselves and their offspring. They saw themselves as a new European-derived people. Liberty? A good word for gaining the moral high ground and getting support among the many intellectuals in high places in Europe, but the average man fought for blood and soil, as always. (And of course, they meant liberty almost only for Whites in a White land. Which was a truth so self-evident that it didn’t need to be written down.) George Washington conscripted men and didn’t allow them to leave, without which the revolution could not have succeeded.
On another note: all the political philosophers in history, don’t you get a feeling that when they talk about “mankind” they are picturing intellectual White men?
LikeLike
Christ u talk a lot about the same shit.
LikeLike
LOL Notice how the low-IQ Tilikum never has any arguments. Poor little boy. He can’t keep up.
LikeLike
> “the Christian peoples of Northwest Europe in the late 18th Century [English, Scots, Dutch, German Anabaptist]”
Also Huguenots!
LikeLike
lol
74 95 57
took the cross section quiz at the end too. not sure if that made a difference
LikeLike
I guess they use this little test with the cut objects to guesstimate your IQ, since being a deceiving bastard requires some brain power to pull off.
LikeLike
Oh. With all respect, say guess or estimate, whichever you mean. Don’t say “guesstimate”, that’s a cutesy-clever women’s-magazines word.
LikeLike
The dark triad test was interesting. Some studies on racial differences in personality would be interesting though.
LikeLike
Whenever I hear “dark triad” I picture a group of men in black robes standing in a circle in a subterranean torch-lit vault, holding daggers and secret books and performing some dark ritual with lots of chanting.
Or as CH would call it, Tuesday.
LikeLike
Interesting – I’ve taken these types of things before… Guess I’m glad that most people aren’t like I am… Life wouldn’t be nearly as much fun.
Trait Percentile
Narcissism 84 an egotistical preoccupation with self.
Machiavellian-ism 97 tendency to be manipulative and deceitful.
Psychopathy 88 reflects shallow emotional responses.
Wanted to see how well I scored on the spatial cross-sections on the secondary test since I always tend to be good on that sort of thing. Oh well…
LikeLike
Heartiste, you are creating a false dichotomy with 12. You imply that White people who don’t live near Black people must live in homogenously White places. This is absolutely not true. Many White people live near large numbers of Hispanics, Asians, Jews, etc. In fact, all of the White students at America’s most elite universities are living near large numbers of Asians and Jews. Most SWPLs will live, at least for a period in their lives, near large numbers of non-Whites. Maybe those non-Whites are unlikely to be Black, but they are non-White nonetheless.
LikeLike
Makes sense. It would explain why the Canucks and Aussies are flooding their countries with immigrants without a fight, whereas we Muricans, being stuck with blacks and mestizos, b!tch to high heaven whenever our elites try to jack up immigration.
LikeLike
They also select for skills they want, so they’re actually getting better immigrants rather than Juan from the worst part of Mexico.
There’s still the race-replacement issue, but at least they’re getting a better mix.
LikeLike
SC, the point is that pro-Black sentiment among the White middle class comes with a convenient distance to Blacks. But White Flight is something they would never admit. No no, they just want to move to where there is a good school they heard about, and nature is so nice out here, etc.
LikeLike
Actually many do want to move where the schools are nice and they have some breathing space. Now granted this is all out where the other white people are, no question, but it’s foolishness to think that most of them put that much thought into the racial component. They end up at the same place as if they’d put thought into it, but that doesn’t mean that they gave it conscious consideration most of the time.
The exceptions I’d think would be those folks who started out in the city, got a good long drink of “this is what a mugging feels like” and left by design.
LikeLike
#12
Its easy to tell that most white liberals have no first hand experience with “diversity” or living around blacks.
To paraphrase Robert Downey Jr., you cant go to a black grocery store and come out of it a liberal. Downey said that about jail, but the same applies to any majority black area.
LikeLike
> “you cant go to a black grocery store and come out of it a liberal”
LikeLike
…how about the damn Mexicans who load up 3 shopping carts with meats and then pull out a thick wad of 50s to pay for their beer..then drive off in their brand fucking new black f 150..
LikeLike
Serious question: what percentage of black adults in the United States have EBT cards?
LikeLike
the freaky thing about that is how fast the shelves got emptied so figure how long would it take If shtf to have no food hours
LikeLike
A few have got they ass whupped by niggers and they as liberal as ever.
LikeLike
Female and/or masochist.
LikeLike
I am thinking of a relative right now, a woman who I know knows the score about immigrants, and with an earlier boyfriend she was candid about it. She saw them around her every day and they harassed her.
But now, with another boyfriend, she lives far away from the city center in an affluent neighborhood. There are few immigrants around. And she spouts liberal propaganda, fills her home with “modern art”, only reads crap like Cosmopolitan and takes her cues from there.
It is not stupidity. It is extreme selfishness. These people know it is profitable to betray the truth and adopt the lies used by those in power.
LikeLike
holy shit my bitch that left has gone off the reservation chick who wrecked my truck called said my bitch told her she gonna come up the house and put some shit in my drink to make me pass out and rob all my shit
she like I don’t know what she gonna put in but if you died I wouldn’t want that on my conscience
said my exchick ain’t been to sleep since she left my house like 60 hours ago
my childhood chick friend told me earlier she felt like someone was gonna hurt me out the blue sitting on my couch and to be careful
I guess she can see future dam freaky shit
LikeLike
so I guess part of reason so many bitches blowing my phone the fuck up
LikeLike
i think you better be careful around the bitches not just the bitch that left but other past bitches seems like bitches got problems they gotta work out you need maybe dr phil hee hee be careful if you see abitch hanging round find out what they bitch want
LikeLike
hhahahahahahaahahaha yea I like it though kind of exciting ill prob let her do it hope she kills me
he he he
LikeLike
other bitch failed to do the job with truck I think my bitch got what it takes
LikeLike
like I said though these bitches round here be murdering throwing people in jail robbin lying
like Sodom and gamorra down this mutherfucker
LikeLike
actually im pretty freaked out
so sometimes it is good that bitches compete with each other to get in good graces
and chicks love drama
more drama texts on my phone than in 500 lifetime movies in last 24 hours
LikeLike
the problem is none of em can get me otherwise there wouldn’t be the angst if it was just them and I was totally betaing up and they knew I was gonna be there forever then they could shit on me but not have to kill me maybe I don’t know
want what you cant have well that’s too dam bad
LikeLike
So… looks like you’re in this guy’s situation…
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/
LikeLike
dam just realized I didn’t even eat today
LikeLike
..ever heard of a pump n dump dewd…
LikeLike
yea every other chick cept her pretty much
LikeLike
but she knew eventually was gonna be permanent dump cause I won’t be here
ut no excuses these woman are evil when they want to be
LikeLike
As I mentioned a few days ago, Greg Gutfeld is fond of the term “beta male.” Hi Greg! http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/10/03/sniveling_beta_male_fox_news_greg_gutfeld_slams_eric_holthaus_for_giving.html
LikeLike
I feel like Rush Limbaugh might also lurk in these parts.
Often now he’ll say something in code and I’ll know exactly what he means.
Like at the beginning of the 1PM Eastern hour today, when he started hypothesizing the existence of a tiny elite minority which governs this nation against the will of the majority…
LikeLike
Zombie Shame….Rush has lifted verbatim terminology and ideology the day of CH posts…he’s been doing this for years…CH is an unstoppable force at this point…once he incorporates it’s a wrap….
LikeLike
That’s awesome. Ideas are contagious. What we stand for has a particularly appealing quality which I think will help it spread faster once it hits critical mass. Once the perception that being a real man/alpha/not feminized appears more advantageous than going along with the feminized worldview…the feminists will look like the outsiders and out of touch, and people will abandon it in droves.
LikeLike
Rush’s program is so sanitized though. I wouldn’t be surprised if he aligns himself more with Hooking Up Smart than the Chateau.
LikeLike
Interesting. It would be nice if you could write down some of the CH-like things he says and post them.
LikeLike
I wouldn’t be surprised to find Auntie Giggles under Rush’s desk.
LikeLike
I’m a Rush baby, been listening since ’88. It’s obvious that El Rushbo reads this blog, Steve Sailer, and Drudge (duh).
LikeLike
Michael Savage pretty much too..he kept calling Obama media people “sock puppets” last night too lol…
LikeLike
I remember Natalie Portman in her interview with Charlie Rose…you can youtube it probably…talked about being “younger, hotter, used another word for “tighter”…back when CH and Great Books For Men where using that phrase a lot…
LikeLike
..that’s why I say man nice shot…it was a good shot man…
LikeLike
hey man nice shot
LikeLike
could you update the link to unz? would help with pagerank http://www.unz.com/gnxp/monogamous-societies-superior-to-polygamous-societies/
LikeLike
“Unnatural Selection” was outstanding but when it’s all said and done, hypergamy doesn’t care about civilization.
Women rule the world by choosing who they reproduce with. The problem here is that most women who are reproducing, are doing so with degenerates. When Daddy Government inevitably dies from all these leeching parasites, it may already be too late for the West.
Maybe I’m being pessimistic about the future but currently, the way I see it; It’s a race to the bottom. This is primarily being exacerbated by women and their mating choices.
Guys who know the score will always cash in but what we don’t keep in mind is the cost. I’m currently poolside but I sometimes sense that our own indifference supplements the decline more than we will care to admit.
LikeLike
Most of women’s reproducing is not done with degenerates, you are exaggerating. They are doing it with both good and bad men. We are not toast.
In fact, I expect a downturn for the dollar within ten years. I am no doomsday prophet who predicts things and moves up the date. I am saying within ten years because looking at many factors, I really believe it to be true. When that happens all those goods at Walmart imported from China will double in price. You can imagine the effect that will have on society. And on investors, when they decide in which country they should put their money.
And when that happens…. Well, mass demonstrations in Greece lacked one thing: guns. The American middle class does not lack guns. It is easy to see why Homeland Security has bought massive amounts of riot gear, equipment for roadblocks, armored vehicles etc in the last two years.
LikeLike
“Guys who know the score will always cash in but what we don’t keep in mind is the cost. I’m currently poolside but I sometimes sense that our own indifference supplements the decline more than we will care to admit.”
And what do you propose we do about it?
There is no consensus over a Greater Good among men who “know the score”. Most of them don’t have much agency in the world other than the ability to pull ass at the local neon.
PUA culture doesn’t care if the world burns as long as they’re building harems. And the Manosphere is too divided (and frankly, full of betas) to summon up a coherent directive.
LikeLike
Sexual freedom in general doesn’t care for civilization and my hunch is that the two are incompatible. Rather sad.
LikeLike
This is either the most nauseating #INeedFeminismBecause quasi-male alive, or it’s a brilliant parody. whoneedsfeminism.tumblr.com
fucking…. wow
LikeLike
Seems like a good frame changer to put woman on her toes
“Stop trying to put me in the courtship zone.”
Except 90% of American women are not educated enough to know what courtship means or get it.
LikeLike
lzozlozlzozoo female judge tingles for rapist and gives him 45 day sentence, blames female victim
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/05/justice/texas-rape-sentence/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
LikeLike
Maybe. But my local gaystream media outlet made it sound like she didn’t believe the “victim,” who is a teenage negress with the typical voracious and indiscriminate sexual appetites of Africans. In other words, regret rape.
LikeLike
Trait Score Percentile
Narcissism 3 62
Narcissism is an egotistical preoccupation with self. [more]
Machiavellianism 3.9 97
Machiavellianism is a tendency to be manipulative and deceitful. [more]
Psychopathy 3.1 68
So I’m a big-time Machiavellian (power hungry) with a bit of humility (realistic)and above-average Psychopathy (not too crazy)…I’ll take it for now..
LikeLike
Oh, and too omega, but: if the average American is a shambling mound, does that make alpha males perytons? Eat human hearts and have a human shadow…
LikeLike
[…] By CH […]
LikeLike
Wow. I’m creating a monster. Last time I took this test, I was almost still human.
Narcissism 100, Machiavellianism 94, Psycopathy 84
LikeLike
Welcome brother bwahahaha
LikeLike
Of course you are.
(Pat on the head)
LikeLike
Jacking off to porn (other than to clear out the last drops of cum still in my balls that the girl I just fucked or that blew me didn’t get to): bad for sex drive and self-esteem.
Having a twitter feed I glance at a few times a day mainly-comprised of porn and porn stars, including at least three I’ve had sex with: good for sex drive and self-esteem.
LikeLike
The dark triad test shows that I’m much more Machiavellian than I was last year (in the 80s), but also considerably less psychopathic (only about 25). Narcissism is about the same (about 50).
It would make sense because I know how to work people now, whereas before they were still somewhat of a black box. And having relatively low psychopathy would appear to be fine if one’s Machiavellianism is high.
LikeLike
Mach: 84, Narc: 84, Pyscho: 46.
I’m like a more vain you.
LikeLike
Of course you are.
(Pat on the head)
LikeLike
Re. Amy Schumer: it’s easy to make it in comedy when your uncle is the senior US senator from NY, Chuck Schumer…
LikeLike
I don’t see how any regular readers of CH would score low on Machiavellianism?
This has to be the easiest to fix. Narcissism relies on self esteem to the point of being delusional. Psychopathy seems to be an inborn trait that leads to the most severe negative consequences, so I’m not even sure you want to up that one even if you could.
LikeLike
Agreed. And as others have noted, a Machiavellian would be good at gaming up all three indexes on a test like this. I think an avid PUA could take the test and deliberately answer in ways to max out the dark triad scores, but that wasn’t how I took it. I answered as honestly as I could to see where my traits actually lay (heh). The same cold be said on the Sexual Market Value test for men. The ego tempts the reader to answer in ways that drive the score up, but the man looking to grow tries to be brutally honest with himself.
As for the question of upping psychopathy in real life, I wouldn’t necessarily want to internalize real indifference to all other people; yet projecting that kind of thing is obviously instrumental in game. Maybe we can say that Natural Alphas have a large share of authentic psychopathy, whereas Betas looking to up their game will need to acquire and/or project psychopathy by Machiavellian means.
LikeLike
By the way, my test is now controlling your minds….
LikeLike
This is extremely off topic didn’t know when or where to post this so apologies. Wanted some help/general thoughts on a topic I’ve been beating to death:
Girls ultimately are the gatekeepers for sex. And men are the source for status, power and resources. This is each sexes “ammo” in the sexual market for the most part. If you ever come off as too beta you risk running out of ammo just as a girl slutting herself out will diminish her value/relationship leverage.
My problem is this. Every time I’m fucking a girl for a somewhat consistent time and dating her or doing small dates or activity I hit the same problem. There’s a better looking pretty-boy-bad-boy alpha out there who is an “hb 10” in girls talk and who is obviously willing to spread his seed to multiple women and has. You know who I’m talking about. The guy who fucked 40 girls in college–usually has a pretty boy face and just looks clean cut with a top notch gene-pool appearance. Every time i start consistently seeing a girl or attempting an LTR even from an alpha foundation (even when the girl initiates the thought of it first) I can’t stop this insecure mindset of “oh well wait a second I’ve heard (and I’ve been the alpha) of situations where these girls fold when this highest alpha shows an ounce of commitment and they submit at the in-the-moment point in time only to hook up with him”. Worst case scenario, even if you don’t find out, this not only wrecks the girl’s mindset in the relationship but it is basically the shittiest position/feeling for the man. So, the relationship is doomed. Wish I never learned of this concept, but it’s basically the “alpha fucks beta bucks” that she gravitates toward. And this very realistically and especially applies most to the young girls in their party years. It’s almost like a helpless position You get into when you try to start even an alpha foundation LTR with a girl. I was looking to get help with this.
I know CH has provided research and whatnot on the idea that looks don’t matter to girls as much as guys and it’s a matter of different development in our brains. But it’s hard when you have first hand seen this occur, experienced it and heard word of mouth from multiple guys, girls and siblings lol. Also Generally “Pretty boys” more then just looks…they have preselection (girls gossiping about him), it basically feels they have the upper hand but that could be my skewed male brain? Idk.
The sexual market is basically a game. You have ammo so be careful how you use it. Let the girl know you’re amount of ammo and the power of your gun but do not give her it. Be a Jew, be stingy with it. My idea is that if you are stingy with giving her your ammo (I.e. Less Beta actions, or commitment) then she will always know in the back of her head that she hasn’t beaten you in the game–so why would she move to someone with more ammo…… But still nothing seems secure.
Wanted some thoughts on this..
LikeLike
This shit sounds like oneitis. You need to spin more plates, brah.
LikeLike
He seems to be obsessing over whether a given girl is an alpha widow. But yeah… it’s getting into oneitis territory. The only way to cure an alpha widow is to be an alpha yourself.
LikeLike
Will, I read your posts and here’s the bottom line. You are too attached to this 9 girl, because you’re afraid she’s out of your league and you can’t land another 9. But you can. And you should, because I guarantee your insecurity over this chick is bleeding into your interactions w her.
LikeLike
I agree I need to spin more plates.
@amy I do get attached easily. And am somewhat insecure as everyone in life. But I do a very good job at hiding this when I’m with her in all honesty. And she has asked for commitment…but it’s hard NOT to chase the younger high smv girls b/c they have the ability to spread their legs for whoever. So, I’m in the pickle of consistently having sex with her (me chasing her for sex) and trying to get her to chase me. And the point is that it’s verrrryyy difficult and challenging to get her chasing me. Whereas that “pretty boy-bad boy” I don’t think has as tough of a time getting her to chase him. It’s like all he has to do is fuck it up.
Maybe this is just the direction society has gone? Women don’t look more for resources as much as say the 60s.
Idk I have an obsessive analytical personality (aka ecto) but I think it’s all valid. In all honesty i do best PERSONALLY for myself when I’m not even involved with a girl and focusing on building myself rather than getting lays, but then that’s expecting some hot girl to eventually chase you. Basically this girl isn’t chasing me and wanting emotion from me as much as I would like. And this actually kinda proves that she thinks of me as an alpha b/c she submits and does continues to do this knowing that I don’t “loooovvve” her and that I could possibly be seeing other girls. Ha it’s honestly a great situation but it fucks with me b/c she gives off a vibe like she’s not “needing” me…
And again thanks for the posts. Beating topics to death is typical for me it’s also how you get good at things though so whatever
LikeLike
Will, you’re not good at hiding your insecurity. You may think she doesn’t she it but she does.
LikeLike
You have to be unattached to the possibility that she may cheat on you in an LTR. It’s this indifference to that possibility that will render it unlikely that she’ll go through with it (unless she’s complete trash, then anything goes, anywhere, at anytime. but then you wouldn’t be asking about LTR contingencies with that girl). stay in better shape physically than she does. Never proactively ask her about the occasional attractive ‘bad boy’ she comes across, and never pry even when she brings up that some ‘funny’ guy was hitting on her. Just be/act indifferent. If she’s out somewhere without you and texts you that some guy was hitting on her, you can either not respond, or say ‘who wouldn’t hit on you’ (translation: i know you’re hit on all the time, i don’t care, i expect that it happens every time you’re out without me) or CH has a darker variety ‘that must’ve taken a lotta work’. You never convey jealousy and remain unattached to the relationship lasting even one more day. keep your internals strong so that you know that the day she leaves or cheats is the day you effortlessly hook up with a new girl. That’s your ironclad frame, and it won’t let you down. All the best.
LikeLike
“So, the relationship is doomed.”
You’re coming at this with the wrong frame. You should never be toiling over what constitutes a relationship and what might cause it to fail. That’s what cunts do, not men.
All relationships between men and women are doomed to some extent. Stop focusing on the wrapper and just go for the pussy, fuck everything else. Let her worry about how long she’s going to stick around. If she wants to leave you for pretty boy, let her. Kill her in your heart and move on.
LikeLike
While I agree with the other commentors on your faulty frame and growing oneitis with this Alpha Widow, your statements have some ground.
I’m in my early 20’s and I first picked up on game when I was 17. When it comes to young women, looks matter a hell of a lot more than some guys are willing to admit.
But see here’s the thing, girls nowadays are bombarded with messages from thirsty guys all over. From Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Tinder just to name a few. Now, most girls need a quick no bullshit way about finding a quality guy and how do they go about it? By first and foremost relying on looks. Keep in mind that I’m talking about girls aged 16-21.
Looks are a direct and honest assessment (assuming no plastic surgery) of your genetic material. Young girls also care about who they are seen with since they still have a “pack mentality”.
I’m not saying you can’t bang young hotties (8-9s). You can, but you’ll be fooling yourself to think that you can attain a stable level of ‘loyal’ commitment from them. I’m personally not into LTRs but I’ve known guys with great game and average looks who ended up sharing a girl simply because his looks couldn’t transcend beyond what her social circle thought was optimal.
In other words, she had another guy on the side to fulfill her dualistic mating strategy. This isn’t always the case, but you can be damn sure she will trade up for a hotter guy the moment she gets a chance. This doesn’t happen often in the initial stages of courtship but it will eventually come up down the road.
The reason this isn’t addressed on Game websites (who don’t sell anything) is because they don’t want to feed guys excuses as to why they shouldn’t approach that cute girl.
[CH: it isn’t addressed because there’s nothing to learn about the subject. looks are largely unalterable, everyone knows looks matter (to lesser or greater degree), so there’s no need to belabor the point. it makes more sense from any perspective to concentrate on subject matter that is effective at attracting women and that is capable of being acted upon.]
So the fuck what if you’re average or below average? Do the approach anyway and if it goes through then plow forward. If not, find another.
But be honest with yourself and I don’t mean that bullshit “just be yourself” crap some people say. By that I mean, don’t think you can idealize any ho or delude yourself into thinking you can keep her forever just because you have game.
Game has its limits.
LikeLike
looks are the third most important criteria after dominance and charisma. they matter to women (and young women), but not nearly as much as women’s looks matter to men (again, of all ages).
most girls use words like “cute” to describe men they like because they don’t have the vocabulary or self-awareness to verbalize those less conspicuous indicators of male genetic quality that women love.
LikeLike
Agreed that game has its limits. That’s where character comes in, along with abundance mentality, and actual abundance.
[CH: abundance mentality is straight out of game literature. as for character, yeah it’s nice and all, but not really important to attracting women. if anything, the opposite of character has a stronger pull on the vagina.]
Two out of three of those you definitely cannot fake. But you can create them from the ground up.
Another thought I had regarding LTRs – you correctly point out that girls have infinite choices of infinite would-be suitors at the drop of a hat.
[this is false.]
The entire SMP has been dumbed down exponentially with this torrential flooding of supply.
[wrong. if anything the supply has been drying up in direct proportion to the growing numbers of fat chicks.]
This fact cheapens a player’s superior game strengths.
[it’s not a fact, and it bears no relationship to a player’s superior game strengths, unless you’re prepared to argue that an infinite supply of hot babes means that men will stop getting turned on by them.]
I’d think that for many, that would make LTRs appealing. There are 24 hours in a day and at least 23 of those you won’t be fucking. If a lot of those 23 other hours are spent chasing pussy, then your life revolves around pussy.
[every man’s life revolves around pussy, in one fashion or another.]
And the girl won’t stick around because again, inexhaustible supply of thirsty suitors at her drop of a hat.
[girls will stick around for a charismatic man no matter how many “thirsty” suitors orbit her. love isn’t a computer algorithm.]
Whereas in an LTR, your other 23 hours are cleared up to live your life, pursue hobbies, self improvement, family/friends, and leisure.
[a lot of you new readers really ought to hit the CH archives. much confusion about basic premises here lately.]
LikeLike
I’ve kept up with you CH. How do you think I’ve been able to maintain such a high smv girl to fuck.
……girls that score super high on your smv test actually do have unlimited options (you say that in the results section).
That’s the point. This could just be me being very pessimistic; but it seems that 9s and 10s top notch at least under 24-25 only chase the guys who hit every single attraction point–including looks ( again I don’t have looks but pretty much everything else). I DO agree you can game them into sex but some of is are interested in keeping a girl for the long haul…and maybe that’s where my mindset is off idk. But it’s a reasonable goal to have with the opposite sex
LikeLike
CH – I appreciate the reply, hope this info is all helpful to Will – my comment was directed at the skilled player wanting LTR with a high SMV girl. The Tindr effect seems to pose a major obstacle upon the player’s ability to *obtain* an LTR, even though he could hook up at will more effortlessly than ever before due to Tindr effect. That’s what I meant with ‘flooding of supply’ etc. Understood about charisma/superior game persuading her to stick around. My thought was until the LTR is locked down to any extent, she’ll run off and get dick easier than ever (and still can in the LTR, but the ‘best ones’ may not if you’re the right guy). And that once the LTR is obtained, the skilled player frees up more time in his day for other pursuits.
I’d be interested in reading more of your LTR insight, thanks.
LikeLike
Look at that toad Henry Kissenger. A fake ugly short murderous kike. He had an extremely good and varied sex life.
LikeLike
“CH: looks are the third most important criteria after dominance and charisma.”
I always considered dominance and charisma as “game/personality”.
Is it even possible to be charismatic without being dominant?
LikeLike
By definition a game has a field, a set of implicit or explicit rules.
Otherwise it is what we call war.
Here’s the thing I fancy my chances in a war. I might lose, but life will have been vivid if a little cruel.
LikeLike
You need to stop trying to “get in a relationship” with one woman/girl and concentrate on seeing as many as possible, from that pool you can find ones that will be available to you when YOU need them. If you like having women for consistent sex, DO NOT give up any of the others. Also, try to have more than one in that “girl-friend” slot so if one flakes you have others to keep you happy till you can replace her. If you have a pool of HB8-10 to pull from, you won’t miss the one that flakes so much. This is why I have 3 in my core group, and a string of replacements available – and lots of women that I see when I have something specific I want to see. I have eclectic tastes so when I want to go to the opera – I call one of several who like opera and I know that after the show, we’ll be enjoying a night at my place. But they aren’t part of the core group since they can see others and I don’t see them consistently. They are a convenience – nothing more.
The key is to have “spares” – yeah, I know how that sounds, but it doesn’t make it less true. If you only have one of something, it is critical that it keep working, when it dies, breaks, goes away – you are up sh*t’s creek till you can get another and that sucks. Most guys get one girl and drift away from all of their “spares” – don’t do it – you will get “clingy” since you depend on her for all of your needs. You can have one that you really like, but you have to keep the others for all of the reasons you already know. It’s a simple fix – I used to try to lie about how many women I see. I gave up on it – sure some will bail, but you will be surprised at how many women are okay with it, as long as you make it clear. Today, when ever I start seeing a women for more than a ONS, I tell them, I don’t limit myself. I have a limited amount of time on this earth, and I’m not going to waste that valuable time on just one woman. I will come to hate them, and no one wants that.
LikeLike
Your 1st paragraph is excellent advice for a plate-spinning player.
Your 2nd paragraph assumes anti-abundance mentality. If what Will is looking for is an LTR, that mindset won’t work. But it does echo the sentiment on this blog generally that LTRs *never* work. I think they can work, but that requires abundance mentality – knowing you can go out and meet a new girl for sex anytime, because you are that high SMV guy in all ways (internals, externals, $, your best possible appearance). Then, you don’t have to constantly stoke your pre-existing pool of talent.
LikeLike
@ just saying. I agree with you. But typically when I do that I have a *favorite* girl, aka the sexiest or highest smv. That’s the girl that truly interests me.
LikeLike
@Will: I have a *favorite* girl, aka the sexiest or highest smv.
You can have a favorite – just don’t give up the others. I have found that the “sexiest” isn’t always the one(s) that is best for sex (and I won’t go into the different types of sex), or for dancing, or for a hundred other things that I enjoy. So I keep the ones that I enjoy the most close – and enjoy them at least weekly – the others I see when I have the time. The advantage is that I’m not that “attached” to any one of them – although some go the extra mile consistently, and they are hard not to appreciate more than some of the others.
When you limit yourself to one, you are setting yourself up for hurt. Bit you have to determine what is best for you based on what you want out of life. If you want a traditional relationship with one woman, you are pretty much resigned to a series of losses. It’s just the nature of that game… If you don’t want one woman, and enjoy many – you have other options. But YOU have to decide what works best for you based upon what YOU want out of life. Just be aware of what you are giving up, and accepting as the cost… A lot of guys don’t think about what happens when things fail – and the odds are good they will. Good luck…
LikeLike
High machiavellianism & psychopathy but low narcissism might be the most potent. Nobody sees it coming
LikeLike
Ha ha! I took the dark triad test and I am in the 40th percentile for Machiavellianism and 26th for narcissism. 0 for psychopathy. Unless I’m a closet lesbian this test isn’t too reliable.
LikeLike
“Unless I’m a closet lesbian this test isn’t too reliable.”
Or just very horrible at self evaluation to the point of not being to answer questionnaires truthfully because of natural female cognitive dissonance.
Use your 160 IQ to figure that one out.
LikeLike
there’s a good case to be made that female responses on self-report sex surveys are practically worthless as indicators of women’s real world behavior.
LikeLike
@CH: If I’m going to skew my answers, why wouldn’t I have done it to make myself look better? It’s pretty easy to figure out traits the questions are designed to identify, I could have given myself a more “feminine” score.
(PS sex survey?? Did I miss something?)
LikeLike
Amy dahlink,
I wouldn’t read too much into the survey. I’m running Dread Game on my wife and that requires heavy Machiavellian and Psychopathy characteristics. I scored below average on both on the test. meh
“why wouldn’t I have done it to make myself look better”
Who knows what “look better” really means to you?
LikeLike
Of course you are.
(Pat on the head)
LikeLike
Funny. No, really.
LikeLike
Anecdote for smart girls from my history. Had a fling with a brilliant, beautiful girl decades ago. She graduated summa in math from Duke in three years and went on to study grad math at Harvard and worked as an engineer at JPL. Maternal type, but never had kids. Maybe she screwed up her plumbing, Idk. Probably waited too long and also had plumbing problems. Her smart girl genes ended up in the garbage.
If you’re such a smart girl, have kids early and often.
LikeLike
Very good list of links CH, a lot of reading done already. This has convinced me to go out and finally buy whey, it seems beneficial. Easy to consume right after working out too, easier than eggs. That link also mentions omega 3 and other things, but it seems I have things covered except for the whey.
LikeLike
2. A contrarian’s argument in favor of porn as sexual sufficiency strategy. (Note: Linkage does not necessarily represent Heartiste endorsement. CH believes that there is a greater risk that too much porn viewing, like soliciting prostitutes, will psychologically deflate a man’s self-perception.)
————————————————————————
Listen to Nina Hartley, an aging feminist porn star on men using porn in a fashion that she doesnt approve of (avoiding relationships with real women). from
http://evolutionpie.com/post/69803734504/addressing-the-effects-of-porn-addiction
Ultimately, says Gallop, “the issue isn’t porn. The issue is the complete absence of a counterpoint to porn.” Nina Hartley agrees. “Watching porn to learn to have sex is like watching Vin Diesel movies to learn how to drive. I’m paid to give this performance. It’s not the kind of sex that I have at home.”
——————————————
We exactly do women such as Nina Hartley care if men dont have a counterpoint to porn?
LikeLike
Number 13 might be time and society based preferences, women during times of prosperity and low crime perfer less masculine looking men thant during times of high crime poverty
LikeLike
so the hipster fags better pray eh.
LikeLike
Would you date a chick that works for the sheriffs department? Administrative..
Late 30’s. 5′-3″ long hair waif. Solid 7 in the am, 9 if trying to please.
My feeling is that she could unleash the gates of hell on your ass if provoked.
Touched it once, kinda scary
LikeLike
hellllllll no.
bitches like that work there for a reason. same for er nurses.
would NOT bang.
LikeLike
^
i second that. especially nurses.
LikeLike
Tilikum
Curious on your reasoning about nurses. I can see avoiding the women who are hip attached to the firearm side of government business, but nurses are…what? Serious question.
LikeLike
adrenalin junkies.
LikeLike
Interesting, thanks for the answer.
LikeLike
There was a post here last year explaining how nurses are hella slutty.
LikeLike
” bitches like that work there for a reason. same for er nurses. ”
I’ve had mostly good experiences with nurses.
Pros : They’re usually easy to pull and are good in the sack. Excellent for ONS and f-buddies.
Cons : The are, by design, cold and emotionally detached making them poor choices for LTR’s/marriage/motherhood. They will shittest on a level unknown to most types of women.
Would not even consider female law enforcement officers regardless of hotness.
LikeLike
i dunno Simon. I hear ya. but i quit banging mean bitches a long time ago.
i’m pretty hard to the masculine side and i got tired of being a sadistic fuck because they DO shit test like crazy (dealing with doc’s)when inside i just didn’t care. once ya learn how and can re-create it at will, it gets tedious.
same w a cop bitch.
i must be perma-frosty lol.
LikeLike
If you don’t I will.
LikeLike
ya but we have already established black dudes got low standards and make questionable life choices 🙂
LikeLike
Tilikum
ya but we have already established black dudes got low standards and make questionable life choices
——————————————————————————————-
Like this one?
LikeLike
“Late 30s” “9 if trying to please” Nope.
LikeLike
If he’s a geezer north of 50, he could go for it. Otherwise, she’s too old.
LikeLike
I’m 51. I try to stay around the 37- 40 age range. Any higher than that and your treading into the world of mothers with teenage kids (14-17). In a lot of cases…Teenage children with severe emotional issues complemented by their mothers own destructive behavior, instability and desperation. I’ve walked out of the homes of some dates because the mother could not get the child under control or an argument would not stop. They feed off of each other.
At my age, it seems damn near impossible to find a younger, pleasant woman without children or self-inflicted emotional turmoil.
I just keep poking around, your future is worst than mine.
LikeLike
I married one. It’s turned out pretty well.
Gotta keep the Man Pants on at all times though. They don’t respect betas much.
LikeLike
Re #5:
Pretty solid list.
Except you should be getting about 1g/lb body weight of protein every day. Egg protein is 30% more efficient than whey, but a bit harder on the guts.
You’re also likely to be deficient in B.
Mag if you drink a lot of coffee; too much and you’ll go crazy, though.
Garlic is great for cardio health and a little extra pep. Aged Garlic is supposed to be even healthier.
Maca is THE supplement for gentleman’s luggage.
NAC is like a cleanser, anything related to your Liver, it should help. Be a little careful with it. All chelators need carbon, fiber and probiotics afterward.
Also, a Recovery Shake after lifting is pretty much flippin’ Magic.
-IIRC, it’s: 1/2 your #lbs-bodyweight in grams of carbs (Use Dextrose Only) + 1/2 that # in grams of protein.
-Note: This is pretty much the Only time in the day you actually Should be getting fast-carbs.
LikeLike
+And you MUST drink it within 30 minutes of ending your workout!!!
Otherwise you lose the glycogen-window and the carbs don’t get you swole, they get you fat.
+Also: If you use anything that cleans the Liver, you have to do the Kidneys next, as it just gets caught downstream.
LikeLike
really important points RE:liver/kidneys.
focus your diet on your lymphatic systems and your liver/kidneys and you have no choice but to trim way out.
and wind sprints…those are magic.
LikeLike
Arbiter is a pseudo-intellectual with more bitterness and resentment for the current state of the world and his race than reason. He has a knack for winding people up. Just a angry white misanthrope like most of his kind on this side of the fence.
LikeLike
What a wanker
LikeLike
hes smart enough but damn he likes to talk
LikeLike
CH, you probably already know about this, but I thought I’d post it anyway. A study found that multiculturalism didn’t actually make people more understanding of each other, it made people more skeptical of civic life and each other. It made people less trusting of their neighbors. It had the opposite effect that people thought it would have.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
LikeLike
Old old old news from a generation ago. Read: “Bowling Alone” by Putnam. Putnam set out to prove that Diversity = Good (TM), but managed against his will to prove that diversity sucks. And so he sat on his thesis for years because cognitive dissonance, and then finally released it with a long, meandering preface that basically apologizes for the book’s scientific conclusions so he wouldn’t lose seniority in The Cathedral.
LikeLike
“Women love sexist men”: what they’re actually saying is, women love kiss-ass white knights, whom the authors refer to as “benevolent sexists”. Well, that sounds conveniently blue pill with a thin coating of shaming. Status quo change luckily averted.
But it’s mistaken, and will only lead poor dumb beta to weeping tug sessions while watching GF experience porn. As we’ve learned around here, women love white knighting only from men they already see as superior and attractive.
LikeLike
[…] 1. “Unnatural Selection.” A brisk narrative of the history to date and the history to be made of the Darwinian culling machine. 2. A contrarian’s argument in favor of porn as sexual sufficiency strategy. […]
LikeLike
Hookers saved my life. I probably would’ve made the front page news a long time ago if it weren’t for them.
The only problem is I’d never be able to afford enough to completely sate my sex drive.
LikeLike
You may be in luck, sir. The price has been steadily going down in most areas of the country. Tinder et al guts hookers’ bottom line.
Desperate guys would rather get free sex from a fatty whoring herself out on Tinder and then artificially inflate her appearance in his post-coital bragging, rather than pay for a $100 hooker who’s realistically 2-3 points above the fatty. A co-worker recently fucked a ‘really cute’ (his words) hooker for $50 on a Saturday afternoon in San Diego.
LikeLike
stawp trolling.
LikeLike
I don’t think he’s trolling. Hookers are getting cheap. $60 short sessions are fairly common in my parts, as far $80 half hours, and realistically, the session ends up being longer if the girl is independent and doesn’t have someone banging on the door. My most recent ex, who is HB8, does regulars for $40 and even $20 when she needs a pill.
It still beats being on a schedule and having to wear a vest at Wal-Mart.
LikeLike
i was referring to his assertion that “all women have an infinite supply of suitors”. this is the sort of baseless claim one is likely to hear from anti-game trolls probing for a point of weakness in sociosexual theory.
LikeLike
Been making my way down the Yareally missions list: http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/10/#comment-heartiste-487655
Finally gotten comfortable enough to approach groups/everyone. Have some long overdue field reports that I need to write.
Okay so last missions:
Leading/Heavy Leading/Isolating (started last weekend — led whole bachlorette party with wing to another bar. Used some hot girls for social proof when entering club — led them in, didn’t bang— … will elaborate later.)
Couldn’t lead two different girls (two separate times) back to my place. Tried baby stepping, felt myself getting needy and awkward (wings were pushing me to take her home). She was drunk, but hey, reference. She still refused, so we makeout and I give up.
Need to work on my verbal game to get hot sober chicks (the makeouts I had last weekend were with drunk chicks, one hot, the rest average). It’s average, nothing spectacular. Gonna practice “gaming the wall” at home.
Storytelling – Not great at this… help? Some notable life points that could be used in the story:
– Hit on Drake’s former costar while in LA. Got starstruck and promptly rejected
– Chased by a dog
– Interested in foreign languages
Any tips would be appreciated.
Group theory: It’s getting better actually, but I still end up talking to one girl… who is usually my target… so that’s fine 🙂 But I’d like to learn to bring value to the rest of the group.
Apologies for being AWOL. Will post more often! At least once a week. I still lurk for the good comments 🙂
LikeLike
Might find this interesting: http://www.psypost.org/2014/05/the-real-difference-between-how-men-and-women-choose-their-partners-24830 women are more susceptible to the framing effect when choosing mate
LikeLike
CH notice on this type of shit
Not all white guys suck, but these pussy faggots sure do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HruwVGO-20 … PS Bring your vomit bag.
View media
the faggots always have to disable comments. Because 99% of it is real talk and they can’t handle it.
The MSM has not actually changed 80% of minds…they just control the media and guns.
For example, Ron Paul won in 2008 with about 55% of the total vote and 90% of the white vote. THe election was a sham.
LikeLike
CH, please please please PLEASE tell me that Hillary has no chance of becoming President. Please. Is that actually going to happen?
Because that would be 100% proof that “the powers that be” are in control and we are all slaves living in a Hollywood production. We are truly in the matrix if that happens.
Even among liberal women, what is special about Hillary? There are about 5,000 others who are just as qualified.
Exactly who “tapped” the Clintons and decided to make them who they are in this narrative in which we white men are slaves working to pay for EBT cards and abortions?
LikeLike
Unless the Democrapic Party can find someone with greater victim-group cred (like Bathhouse Barry), it’s Thunderbuns and BJ Clinton all the way for two more terms. And they’ll appoint two or three more man-hating dykes (like the Wise Latina and Elena Keglegs) to the Supreme Kourt.
LikeLike
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/edwest/2014/05/darwins-unexploded-bomb/
Anyone who maintains there are no differences in race is either blind, has an IQ lower than 60, or is evil.
LikeLike
Wake me up when you get to the part that explains why I should not be able to get pussy.
Thanks.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
LikeLike
The wickedest link is the one to my dick.
Rape!
LikeLike
Re Hello M’Lady:
We need a skank alert app for the iPhone that notifies us whenever a woman with herpes, crabs, etc. is within 50 ft. It would be nice if it could connect to Tinder as well and automatically flip the skank off. 😉
LikeLike
I’d like to submit this link:
http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm
It’s about the willingness to kill in the military. Apparently most soldiers are very reluctant to actually kill an enemy combatant.
“A look at history might help illustrate what I am talking about. In World War Two, it is a fact that only 15-20 percent of the soldiers fired at the enemy. That is one in five soldiers actually shooting at a Nazi when he sees one. While this rate may have increased in desperate situations, in most combat situations soldiers were reluctant to kill each other. The Civil War was not dramatically different or any previous wars.
In WW2 only one percent of the pilots accounted for thirty to forty percent of enemy fighters shot down in the air. Some pilots didn’t shoot down a single enemy plane.
”
This decreased without increased military training to psychological condition soldiers to fire due to stimuli.
What I’d like to bring to attention is how this article explains a theme that has been explored repeatedly on this blog. That of the killer with high psychopathic tendencies being catnip to a woman’s snatch. As noted in the article a small percentage of combatants committed the majority of the causalities. This would be the primordial alpha male. The guy that finds killing easy is the one that would rule over the other weaker males. Thus killers are huge turn ons to women. Willingness to kill signals who the Big Chief is likely to be.
LikeLike
Wow.
If those statistics are true, then they would go a long way towards explaining why Beta losers, like GHWB 41 [WWII] and Juan McAmnesty [Vietnam], got their asses shot down out of the sky.
LikeLike
As for 14, I don’t think calories really matter. I leaned out just from cutting carbs, all I eat for carbs is whole wheat bread and oatmeal after morning workouts (and coffeemate, my 1 thing I’ll never give up). If I eat carbs like the average American I balloon, but I can eat thousands upon thousands of calories of fat and protein and I don’t gain fat.
LikeLike