If your girlfriend tells you she needs “space”, your relationship was over months earlier. You just got the memo late. “Space” is girlcode for “making space in my vagina for other cockas”. If you hear those words, leave, and don’t bother her for clarification. The only dignity you’ll have left to spare is what you don’t give away trying to salvage a stone dead relationship. If you want to exit stage right with Heartistian flair, you can relievedly exclaim with acting class sincerity, “Phew! I’m glad you brought this up. You were reading my mind. Really takes the pressure off”, or maybe even a simple “Yeah, I hear ya”.
Maxim #44: There is a three month lag time between a woman’s vaginal prerogative and her words. Her heart gets the message long before you do.
This womanly lag time between her true feelings for you and her verbal confirmation is the reason why you have to learn to rapidly identify the subtle signs of a woman’s emotional detachment, and make a course correction before her vagina has petrified to an impenetrable thicket at the thought of your approaching dick.
A perfect example of this comes from that reject repository, Reddit:
My girlfriend of 11 years broke up with me saying “She just needs some space now, and we may get back together.” I am wondering what the chances are that she actually intends on giving a relationship another shot, or if it was just said to get me to easily sign over the house and let her keep everything.
About four weeks ago she dropped this on me. As far as I knew everything was going great – we had just gone on a nice vacation together, night before had a bunch of friends over for a little get together, and were planning out future together. She said it was because we fight all the time, we honestly haven’t had a single fight in 2+ years.
That’s not a positive development. A chronically peaceable woman is a romantically withdrawn woman.
We owned a house together. We bought it about seven years ago, renovated it all, and made it into something we both liked. Wasn’t a particularly fancy house, but it was our house. We also had two dogs we got shortly after moving into the house. She now has the house and everything that was in it, I didn’t put up a fight for any of it.
Hope is often a prerequisite to failure.
She kept saying things like “I’d like to try a relationship again, but I know if you piss me off I’ll probably never even talk to you again.” Me being the broken hearted sap I was tried my damnedest to not upset her.
Classic niceguy mistake. Your appeasement made things worse. When a woman threatens to leave if you piss her off, what she’s really saying is that she’s pissed off with herself for her incapacity to tolerate your predictable amiability.
Signed the house over to her (her mother paid off the mortgage for her, I got nothing) and let her keep the dogs and everything we had gotten over the past 11 years.

except imagine the matador walked backward onto the horn.
I packed up my clothes, and found an apartment to move into.
So I officially moved out over the weekend, and sitting in my shitty little apartment my mind can’t help but keep racing to the idea that I just got manipulated out of everything I had. It just seems that if she really had any intentions on ever making things work there would have been much better options than this.
tl;dr: GF wanted a break, I gave her everything on the chance of another shot. Did I just get swindled?
A man can’t get swindled unless he swindles himself first, and the one thing idealistic beta males excel at is swindling themselves about the nature of women and the vagaries of love.
But there is a solution. You can read Chateau Heartiste and learn the ways of the ruthless sex, or you can continue to self-immolate in a one-window masturbatorium while your ex straddles a new man to orgasmic escape velocity on the bed you paid for and from where you cooed eleven years of your devotion into her pillow-framed ear.

lzozozlzolzozozozozo
da GBFM often hearz thisz
HER: “Yes! YES! YES! OW OW YES! YES!”
DA GBFM: ru OKZ?
HER: “YEs! YES! I need spacez!”
DA GBFM: wot?
HER: Morez space in my gina 4ur lostas cockasz!!
DA GBFM: here let me fly it at half mastz for a biutz zlzozo
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instead of being like that poor sap you should be like the gbfm and have her saying ‘so so are we just friends with benefits?’ and then reply ‘oh no no of course not dear’
‘we’re just benefits’
zlzolzozzzzzzozlz
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HER: So r we just gonna be friends with benefitz?
DA GBFM: No.
HER: OK good.
DA GBFM: Jus benefitz
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HER: Benefitz?
Gamer: Your bunghololozl
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You can only do that if you’ve graduated with honors from the Whorefinder academy.of erotic technique.
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“erotic technique” == “rape” ???
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There is nothing wrong if the weapon of a Japanese heroine is a frying pan right? but this American with feminist views don’t think so : (
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Typical Reddit Post: My gf of 11 yearz who i bought a house and car 4 keepsz on having groups of twenty+ men cum over for gangbangsz and to make japense hentai porn videoz. it’s gotten to the point that i can’t ignore it anymore, as last night three of the men got cum on my face when i was sleeping next to her. how do i broach the subject that i think we should be exclusive, withoutz looking like a reddit manboob?
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Idk, sometimes the manboob is sleeping on the couch in the livingroom when his gf is being gangbanged. Keeps the cum off the face.
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Question for GBFM:
Speaking hypothetically, how do you keep women from getting so engorged that sex is like wading through treacle? The pressure is fakking tremendous or tremendous fakking, Idk which. The amount of engorgement seems to depend on how much a woman wants the cockasz.
Disclaimer: I have a small d1ck, mommy issues, and I play videogames all day while living in my parent’s basement.
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wat? wtf is a treaclez? is it in da bngzhzoli bunghzozlzo? den der is noz expertisez from da gbfm sorry. go ask dalrockasz churchianz cocoaksz!
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Hey, GBFM, I’m trying to follow Mosessz just like you suggest. How do I go about getting circumcised? Do I have to hire a rabbi? And how do I offer sacrifices at the Temple like Mosesz commanded? I went to Israel and didn’t see a Temple anywhere. Also, there’s no kosher butcher in my little village, so I can’t eat kosher meat. Oh, GBFM, I’m so corrrnfuzzed?!! Helpppp!
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yourz cockasz is so tiny
dat if we were to try to circumcize you
it wouldz be like cutting a flea
in half
lzlzlzolozoz
for dis reasonz
and otehrz
i highly recomnnmend you become a dalrockina dalrockina marcusian boxerianz churchianz
where youtz tiny cockasz
will seeeezm huge rlzlzozzl
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Saint GBFM, I already said I have a small d1ck. Help! I really need answers to my questions, bra! I think that Mosesz has somehow been bernrankiffied. How do I keep all the ceremonial requirements of Mosesz without a Temple? Help!
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> “My girlfriend of 11 years”
Let me clear my throat here so that no one misunderstands what I have to say.
Ahem. Cough. Swallow.
Okay. Here goes.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE PURPOSE OF FORNICATING WITH A WHORE FOR ELEVEN YEARS BUT HAVING NO LIVE BIRTHS TO SHOW FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN HER?!?!?!?!?!?
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she has a golden kegel-tuned pussy?
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da pill was inventedz so as to
tranformz every fertilez gina holeelozoz
into a barren bungzhzozlzozo
lzlzozozoozlzoz
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They bought a house together, with neither a marriage nor children. A bit odd but ok …
Then when they split he gave her his equity? That’s madness. Actually he wasn’t doing too badly up to then, he had the best 11 years she had left to give, and then she’s taking the leftovers to her next man. All he had to do was drive a hard bargain on the house equity, move his stuff and get himself a new young lady.
Sometimes it’s darkest before the dawn. But a guy has got to keep a clear head at those moments of pressure. I was reading that thread on reddit, and I suggested he sue to reverse the real estate transaction. Or beg, threaten, tell them it was a mistake, GET HIS MONEY BACK.
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> “he had the best 11 years she had left to give”
I spent some time thinking about that.
If they met, say, when they were sophomores in college, at the age of 19, and then they split up after grad school, at the age of 30, so that she could start having kids with a True Alpha, then she totally fucked him.
But if they met, say, at the age of 29, and she’s now 40, then he could rebound and ultimately have the last laugh IF HE COULD MAN UP and start bagging twenty-somethings and have a family and a bunch of kids.
While she’s living all alone, through her forties and fifties, in that old house of theirs – just her and a bunch of cats.
But he has got to MAN UP.
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If I wasn’t the kind of guy who would absolutely never give my sacred honor to a modern free-whore, I would not get such wonderful enjoyment out of these tales of baby-man woes.
Should’ve done your solemn duty and bred the pig, grim as duty fucking may be.
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Shane, tell us what you really think.
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Maybe he….LOVED her! Did you ever think of that?
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TYPICAL REDDIT LAMENTATIONZ:
My gf of eleven years told me she needed space a few months back, but I thought she said she “needed “ace” as she had some dude’s cock in her mouth and was difficult to understand. So I go out and buy her a lingerie and all, and give it to her, alongside the car and house. Now I’m sitting alone in my tiny apartment, and I really think we should still get back together as afterall, it was just a simple misunderstanding!
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TYPICAL REDDIT LAMENTATIONZ:
My gf of eleven years told me she needed space a few months back, but I thought she said she “needed lace” as she had some dude’s cock in her mouth and was difficult to understand. So I go out and buy her expensive lace lingerie and all, and give it to her, alongside the car and house. Now I’m sitting alone in my tiny apartment, and I really think we should still get back together as afterall, it was just a simple misunderstanding!
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Daz gbfmensz suckerzst
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Not only does the GBFM most certainly not suckerzst, but this is how prescient he is:
JONAH GOLDBERG ARGUES IN FAVOR OF JEWISH SEDITION
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3153570/posts
“In 1920, a bond salesman walked into Joseph Yenowsky’s Waterbury, Conn., clothing store… Yenowsky told the salesman he thought Vladimir Lenin, the Russian Bolshevik leader, was “the brainiest man” in the world… Yenowsky got six months in jail under a Connecticut statute…”
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I’m starting to be of the opinion that even before we hang Axelrod and Sunstein and Blankfein and all the rest of them, we really ought to hang Jonah Goldberg first, as the very most insidiously evil of all the Frankfurt School nihilists.
If we could find a rope which was strong enough not to snap under the weight of his whale blubber.
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MORE PRESCIENCE:
How the Middle Class Lifestyle Became Unaffordable
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3153635/posts
Baumol under-estimated the power of the low-productivity sectors such as… higher education to exploit political capture to increase their share of the national income…
CONT.
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CONT.
And this leads us straight to financialization, the parasitic extraction of profits from the real economy by finance and the state… As the real economy stagnated, the state (which includes the Federal Reserve) incentivized financialization and speculative credit bubbles to keep the money flowing to feed its own spending…
From the point of view of global capital, the ideal partner is a powerful central state that imposes cartel pricing on… $100,000 college diplomas…
Debt-serfdom works just fine for the financial sector and the central state that enforces the serfdom…. Not only is it an ideal arrangement, it’s the only one left to the state and its partner, global capital…
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/prom-draft-at-california-high-school-flagged-by-principal/
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If you need to ask you’ve got it wrong.
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[…] It’s Lonely Out In Space […]
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He’s a step ahead of the usual reddit goon, however. He realized he was swindled.
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Also, forgot to add something…
Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China is a great example of an aloof alpha.
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Tell’em the check is in the mail!
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Jack Burton is an American Hero
“Any of you guys savvy English?”
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> “He’s a step ahead of the usual reddit goon, however. He realized he was swindled.”
God in Heaven, is that a horrifying commentary on the times in which we live, and on the utter devastation which the Frankfurt School has wreaked upon our culture?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0684849577/
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I thought it was basic assertiveness training, the kind of thing librul pinko shrinks teach, that was missing here, rather than the ever-scheming Frarnkfurters.
The Frankfurters!!!
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Duh! Even in my worst beta moments, I never allowed a GF to take money or property of mine. Should have told HER to move out or cough up.
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She would have called the cops on this dude and had him hauled away in handcuffs had he tried that after 11 years of getting whipped.
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Officer! He pushed me!!!!
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you can continue to self-immolate in a one-window masturbatorium while your ex straddles a new man to orgasmic escape velocity on the bed you paid for and from where you cooed eleven years of your devotion into her pillow-framed ear.”””””””””””””””””’
dammmmmm
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This guy is lucky to some extent.
He’s free of the cunt. He can now rutt.
Rebuild yourself my good man. Go and do the things you dreamed about before you were sidetracked by the vagina dentata.
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yea that all didn’t happen and he STiLL has to pay monthly
the glass is actually full
takes a man about year and half to get his shit together working hard with no monkey around neck
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Impale the sharkgina on your massive spear!
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The obstacle is the way.
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God gapped me here. Why do I have a three year lag time between vaginal prerogative and action? Maxim not work good for me. Boo.
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Month dear, he said month. Attention to detail. Remember, readers are leaders!
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she knows she said she has three year and maxim is wrong
sorry had to go into bionic reader comp mode
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Yeah. That’s what your supposed to get, but I got three years. At least. It is like having a learning disability. Gypped.
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Meh, that didn’t seem clear to me at all. Thought she was stating that CH had indicated a three year lag and that it didn’t jibe with her. Clarity of writing, it’s not just for breakfast any more.
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Gregi, you are the very definition of idiot savant.
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is that a hard neg jesus soften it up
he he he
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considering you been reading long enough to realize everything I put my mind to I am a savant
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Your bf still using you as a side dish and you don’t do anything about it. You’re becoming less desirable every day you don’t move on.
I’d advise (I think this is the opposite gender phrase girls use to show how macho they are) growing some ovaries.
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It’s adorable how enthusiastic young women are about becoming plates.
AIN’T NO RING, AIN’T NO THING!
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Can this fellow be contacted and have the pill shoved down his gullet?
Arise and be the bad ass of your dreams.
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Some guy on reddit says he’s trying.
Geez, as long as he can get paid out for his equity, this is full of win for him. He got the girl’s best 11 years, now he can go get another young girl.
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This is sorta on topic. I have zero sympathy for guys who “sign it all over”. Fucking retards, one and all. And then they sit and mope to their friends, or their co-workers, or to random passing homeless bums about how they’re such a victim and how poorly treated they were and how they deserve better.
Horsefeathers. They sold their dignity and manliness, if they had any, for a mess of pottage.
If you split fight, fight hard, fight dirty, use every trick in the book. Lawyer up with pro-men divorce lawyers (if it’s a divorce situation), there are more and more of them popping up out here that specialize in preserving your every asset. Give her *nothing* more than the court orders, and once it’s settled wrench her for even more. Men get mopey and give up everything on a dime because “I just wanted to be done with it, it hurt to much”. Bunch of pansies. No respect or sympathy at all, stew in your own self-pissed pool of estrogen, you jackwagons.
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absolutely. most every divorce of a friend i’ve known of started out with “we can just work it out ourselves, no lawyers” and ended “i went to the meeting, she brought a lawyer, wtf. am i screwed?”
they are not sentimental, they will skin you alive if they can and laugh about it over mimosas with their girls they pretend to be friends with. don’t leave the house. she wants a divorce? she can leave. fight it til it’s over then never look back.
better yet don’t get married
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Heh. Back in the day young R escaped a marriage-like situation. Ex wanted the house. Reply: “no problem, but you get the mortgage payments that go with it.” Ended the discussion pretty quickly I must say. That, and I had the lawyer a long time before she even thought of it.
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“better yet don’t get married”
good advice but only if you don’t want a family of your own. if you want kids, you gotta plan on staying with a girl for awhile one way or another. that’s what’s best for them. and in common law states you’re as good as married if you do. so what then?
you don’t plan on having kids?
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The whole “Signed the house over to her” statement is a fantastic lie. Anytime you hear someone say that your bullshit indicator should be pegged and deeper questions asked. In the real world there is a process and that process takes time and money. Too many complications that are generalized to make a good story, bro
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Nah, depending on the state, you can make a gift of your interest in the house, takes like an hour at the notary. I did that, gladly. But I have an internet business she never understood, that is worth a lot more, and she will never get a piece of it, nor a further cent from me in monthly checks.
These days, I live a thousand miles away in a corporate furnished rental on the water, watching the insane valuations being given to similar businesses as mine. She’s been digging out of snow for months, mentions she has a hard time “making it” on her government salary, and I think they just had another huge rainstorm,
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Well, bro, seems burke know some folks, I certainly know of two men who did it, one of them an uncle of mine and I can verify for certain that a) she got the house b) he signed it over in a supreme act of wussitude and c) did I mention she has the house and basically everything else? What “radar” would you have go up, or do you think I believe that they simply waved a magic wand and did it instead of going through a torturous legal paperwork mess?
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I’ve been looking for a way to gift my house to my kids.
Hell, that’s what I bought it for in the first place – and if the odds turn against me and I get divorced – then like Olympiapress, I’ll make a clean break and go about my business elsewhere. If – like this ‘lonely out in space’ chump – I ignore the odds, sit back waiting to have terms dictated to me – then I have no right to complain when I get swindled / bernakified. Whats frustrating – Lawyers will not even broach the topic outside of a divorce.
So far, it appears – it simply can’t be done.
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My 2 cents; it’s easy for anonymous folks to come on and say “it is EASY to do X, just …” Yeah, if your STBX is a wimp, sure. If they are determined to use the legal system to the fullest, good luck with your 10 second notarized document… A judge can and will void it in a New York minute…
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The whole “Signed the house over to her” statement is a fantastic lie. Anytime you hear someone say that your bullshit indicator should be pegged and deeper questions asked. In the real world there is a process and that process takes time and money.
Look up Quitclaim Deed…
You can write it up yourself (using the description of the property verbatim from the actual deed) and then get it notarized…
Voila, house be hers… and all the bills which it entails (taxes, electric bill, maintenance, etc.)… which more-often-than-not takes her by surprise at fork-over time…(lozozlzozozlzo)…
The savings of which you can then use to set yourself up in some right proper digs and start that new life you been needin’.
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The Quitclaim Deed is only one step. There is a mortgage involved in the OP’s story. Your name does not magically disappear from anything associated with the home unless a refinance has occurred and a new mortgage/title has been recorded. That will have a cost and time associated with it and both parties must be involved. The IRS may look at this as income for the receiving party as well. Obviously, not the OP’s problem unless he received a equity payout.
I wasn’t mocking Burn, Burke, or the fact that it could not happen…just the story in the post. I’ve been through it in reverse. She gave up her interest in the home to me and it was very complicated and time consuming.
I simply cannot understand a man that would willingly take an ass beating like that. Expressively from someone you’ve never been married to or contractually obligated legally.
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@ Mom’s proud
nope…quit claim deed…sign it…done…she owns the house. i knew one guy that she rode his ass for 6 months…in weak moment he finally signed just to shut her up…he had remorse…oh yeeesss he did…
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@Mom’s proud 4:00 pm
a quit claim deed doesn’t get rid of the mortgage…just your ownership interest in the property. if the mortgage was still on the house, the property secures the mortgage, but he would still be liable on the note…even without the right to the property…
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@Charlie Don’t Surf – it is possible to give a house to your children before you die. Perhaps it is different in different states, but I doubt it since this “trick” involves federal level tax stuff. Basically you and your wife (assuming the title is jointly held or held in common) “sell” the house to your kids. Get it appraised properly and get an estate lawyer to help you do it correctly. I can’t remember if you have to pay cap gains tax on the home or not because of this second part. Essentially, your kids take a “loan” out from you and have to pay it back (this is why you need an estate lawyer/appraiser/and maybe a banker to get the details all correct) to you. However, instead of your kids paying you actual money, you forgive a part of the debt every year as a “gift”, the limit of which is something like $10-13,000/per year/per person. So if you and your wife are still married and hold the title jointly, depending on who you are passing the title to (say one child that is married, or to all your kids jointly (this can be messy though if they don’t all get along, and remember that as the kids get married, other relatives get claims on the estate as well….)), so you can be forgiving like $40K of debt per year or even more, depending on various things. In addition, the recipients who owe the money get to deduct the “interest owed” (probably the banker will use the Treasury benchmark) from their taxes. This is how my family does it. The children are trustees and beneficiaries of their parents’ estate. The parents pay rent to cover the taxes and utilities of the property they are using. The key in our situation is that we are a very amiable family. In the case of divorce, obviously it’s a little late to do something like this. But this is a method of transferring assets tax-free via the maximum federal tax free amount (which varies year to year). You can of course transfer other assets (financial assets, art, whatnot). Get a decent estate lawyer and get your assets into a revocable trust, get your will in order, get the power of attorney and medical power of attorney in place. This is basic stuff. I’m 30.
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I’m sure St. Augustine is right. There are lots of tax strategies and other business strategies you can execute as long as you keep things within a family.
But you have to have a reliable family that won’t blab or bring in the authorities or seek external legal solutions. If any family member is willing to blow up the situation, they probably can and cost everyone a lot.
You’ve got to have an attitude within your family of “it’s us against the world”. This is difficult when the woman is exercising her female prerogatives to be a bitch, even if she’s the trustworthy and intelligent type. But nobody said it was going to be easy. The Frankfurt School doesn’t want you to succeed at this.
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@ St. Augustine.
Thanks for that. The house is free-and-clear – marriage is amicable – and I’ve established UGMA accounts for the kids college funds which I feed to the Federal maximum each year. This kinda frustrates the approach you describe – in that I’ve limited options re: gifts.
It amazes me that in the event of a family split – the legal mechanism for dividing property runs like a well oiled machine – but, attempts to strengthen your families security by consolidating assets requires such convoluted legal steps as these. How did things get so ass-backwards that a man can’t simply give his kids the home he built for them?
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@FamilyMan, that is correct. The influence of the Frankfurt School is minimal in my family, and we are very much a tight-knit clan that encompasses only one branch, so less than 30 people. The buck stops at first cousins.
@Charlie Don’t Surf, the UGMA/UTMA is the route that we went as well. There is a little tax advantage on the first $1,900, but after that its essentially an after tax contribution. The downside to this plan (as I know very well) is that funds in these accounts transfer to the beneficiary at age 18 and become their asset. This means it counts against them if they apply for any kind of financial aid. So if your kids are super smart or athletic or personable, they may qualify for merit/athletic/other scholarships – otherwise they will end up paying out of pocket (from the UGMA, but that probably won’t cover it all) for college. You might consider a Section 529 plan. The downside is that contributions are after tax and can only be used without consequences on undergrad/grad costs. The Coverdell is a nice compromise, but there is household income limitation ($95,000 max to qualify for contributions) – the $2,000 max comes out of the gift tax exemption and the funds can be used for K-12 as well as college.
see http://www.waddell.com/personal_investors/ugma_utma.aspx and http://www.waddell.com/personal_investors/products_education_cesa.aspx and http://collegesavings.about.com/od/section529account1/ss/529savings.htm
One additional method that involves you being on good terms with your own parents: grandparents can pay tuition (only) directly and the money is not subject to the gift tax. They can give gifts up to the limit tax-free and pay the tuition.
http://grandparents.about.com/od/growingintoyournewrole/a/Payforcollege.htm
I’m putting this all in not just for you, but for other readers as well, of course. If you have maxed the gifts to your kids, then there’s not much to do – although if they are not of age already, it’s a little early to burden them with a house and property taxes. Transference of the property titles should wait until the children are more settled in their lives so that you can make better decisions as to how to split your estate. If you only have one child, the matter is simple, but if you have multiple children, it makes sense to wait to see if one of them would like the house, or take over the business, or have the family heirlooms. It makes no sense to force a portion of property on someone who would just as soon sell it and live somewhere else.
If your family is younger, it makes more sense to focus your assets on your children’s education and skills and experiences, and worrying less about the big assets. Yeah, it’s a problem if you and your wife get wiped in a car accident, but if you have a properly made out will and such (I recommend some kind of trust) that specifies what should happen, and you already have a plan for who becomes the guardian (god-parents, grandparents, etc) and have some form of life insurance. This is pretty extreme of course, but if you have only a will, this stuff cranks through the probate court. If you have a trust set up, the assets [of the trust, which should be all your assets, except IRAs which can’t be transferred like that] get distributed to the trust beneficiaries according to the trust agreement by the trustees/estate executor, and the probate court hardly gets involved except to approve. No messy appointing of custodians and executors.
Yeah, its complicated, but it’s called planning ahead and planning for contingencies. Since we’re all on this site, ya’ll know that being successful at any venture, picking up women not excluded, is 95% planning and preparation, 5% execution. Estate planning is no different – you can’t beat yourself up for something unexpected occurring, but you can plan for the possibilities you can foresee.
Estate planning, taxes, and how to set up a business are all things I wish I had learned in high school. On the other hand, they are always changing, so it’s really a pain. That’s why accountants and lawyers are so expensive-but not as expensive as a call from the IRS!
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And just to cover the bases, if you are dealing with some real money, you need to be aware that there is a limit for the lifetime total amount of money you can gift away.
http://wills.about.com/od/understandingestatetaxes/qt/Gift-Tax-Exclusion-Annual-Exclusion-Vs-Lifetime-Exemption.htm
http://wills.about.com/od/termsbeginningwithe/g/exemptgift.htm
Not that there are any grandpas reading this, but if grandparents are directly bequeathing assets to grandchildren, you also need to be aware of the thing called the Generation Skipping Transfer Tax. The point is that parents should leave money to their children, who then pay estate tax. When they in turn leave money to their children, they pay estate tax again. If grandparents bequeath directly to grandchildren, you get estate tax + the Generation Skipping Transfer Tax – but we’re up in millionaire level stuff now. FYI, this was only instituted in 1976, so the GST Tax is relatively new.
http://wills.about.com/od/termsbeginningwithg/g/gst.htm
If you’re rich, you start getting into dynasty trusts and family pools for managing big money to avoid getting hit with all these taxes, but I’m not in the know on that stuff.
If you are curious about the gift tax, it is another relic of the 1920s and Great Depression, as the new revenue department was trying out different methods of fighting income and estate tax avoidance. Thank you US Treasury
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/tax-analysis/Documents/ota100.pdf
and also the historical rates http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-estate-and-gift-tax-rates-exemptions-and-exclusions-1916-2014
The modern estate tax is from 1916. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/ninetyestate.pdf
Another point – if you find your death is approaching, and you start giving away gifts to reduce your estate, it doesn’t work. The law considers that as “trying to reduce your estate taxes, so they aren’t really gifts, and the estate owes taxes on them [or any part that is taxable for the current estate tax exemption]” This is why it is important to start a pattern of giving your assets to your children early (I think up to 7 years or 5 years before death, they look for any change in the giving pattern), so that your estate doesn’t suffer any clawback.
One final thing – I am a little foggy on how giving taxable gifts (over the annual exemption) reduces the lifetime gift maximum.
Some other links on “Annual Exclusion Giving” http://wills.about.com/od/understandingestatetaxes/qt/What-Is-An-Annual-Exclusion-Gift.htm.
…FYI, the giver of the gift owes the Gift Tax, not the receiver.
And a quick search on loan forgiveness for a house shows that I’m right in line on this, but that you have to dot your i’s so that the IRS doesn’t hit you with big penalties for not paying gift taxes/tax avoidance. http://www.sgrlaw.com/blog/2011/10/intra-family-loans-real-debt-or-gift/
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…so tell us how you really feel…lol…
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If they were psychologically capable of the action you suggest here, they wouldn’t be in that situation in the first place.
That being said, any woman who does this to a man is a complete cunt.
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In a decent society, we would not be relying on her magnanimous decision not to be a complete cunt. But her fear of punishment.
It’s most unfortunate that in our society, females generally cannot be punished unless it’s by other females.
I guess this really is a matriarchy. Hell we’ve got a president with breasts and “his” “wife” used to play middle linebacker.
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Women made their husbands’ lives living hells long before no-fault divorce was enacted. But you’re absolutely right, we’ve empowered women to a lot of very bad ends.
It’s true women can only be punished by other women, but it’s a rare occasion that a group of women will actually agree with a man on what one of their number should be punished for. This woman’s peer group has probably decided that she’s the victim, and rallied around her.
It takes a certain type of woman – one who’s not afraid of being cast out of the group – to really bitch-slap another down when and how it’s merited. I believe our society used to produce more of this kind of female, but not so much anymore.
However, I think in this case, the situation was going to be what it was going to be. Obviously, this guy is a pussy, and she’s selfish. That’s never going to end well, exterior societal pressures or not.
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@Charlie Don’t Surf
“I’ve been looking for a way to gift my house to my kids“
Now that the introduction of gay marriage has rendered all marriage meaningless, what’s to stop a father avoiding inheritance tax by marrying his own son? (There is no inheritance tax between spouses)
The Laws governing incest are just there to prevent genetically defective offspring so shouldn’t apply to two men.
Once you get over the initial repulsion to this Idea, it actually has a certain amount of poetic justice to it. Like shooting someone with the gun they bought to shoot you.
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Genius! What a great way to illustrate the absurdity of these convoluted rules!
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Yes. A woman asking for space is never a good thing. Usually she wants to see what else is out there (I.e. If there is something better) and then if not she can come back to the “safe” place with the guy she claimed she needed space from if there is no other options for her.
Pretty selfish. Just break up with the guy already and take the reward or consequence of your decision.
OR space can also mean that the guy is not escalating the relationship (I.e. Marriage) and she feels she needs to open her options to find someone who will take her to the next level. You were with her for 11 years and were not married? Methinks she realized that you had no intentions on marrying her and decided after 11 years (way too long to wait IMO) that it was time to move on.
In this case it’s not selfish because women have a window of when it’s best to find marriageable partners.
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Yup, mine did it to me, (I started noticing her becoming distant earlier too). When I said “fine” and went about my business she came back with, “I didn’t want to break up, I only wanted a break”.
Yeah, sure… It’s a Breakup if SHE found something better and was happy, it was a “break” if she didn’t and wanted to come back to me to drain more. Fucking parasites, blergh. Thinking can keep a man hanging on like that, to be used only when needed, and fuck anyone else if not.
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Btw she was damn well treating it, and treating ME like it was a full breakup. Cheeky bitch thought she could say and do all the horrible shit she did, and still have me hanging there? As if. I was horrifically beta then, but not THAT bad as to just take it and hang on to hope, (been there done that when I was a lot younger).
Of course then she told EVERYONE that I was the one who had broke up with her lol..
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Yep wrong and dirty.
But can you imagine if you had actually started dating someone else during this “break”? D’oh!!!
Talk about feeling stupid. Lol I’ve seen it happen before. And it was my friend who pulled the “we need a break thing”. She met a guy at work who was nice looking and flirty. I guess she thought he was serious about her. Had a decent b/f but was enamored by this guy. So she pulls the “we need a break” thing with decent b/f and believes that her and flirty dude are going somewhere. Dead end. Used her for sex.
In the meantime and between time decent b/f was hurt but had started talking to a girl at his job, and realized he wanted to see this girl more.
My friend tries going back and decent formerly distraught b/f is like “well I still gave feelings for you but I just kinda want to hang out with others for awhile”. Friend is flabbergasted and hurt and crying about what a mistake she made. She lost decent b/f forever. For what????
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t!
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“Yup, mine did it to me, (I started noticing her becoming distant earlier too). When I said “fine” and went about my business she came back with, “I didn’t want to break up, I only wanted a break”.
They always come back when they see you’ve moved on. But it’s only to validate her ego by destroying you further, not because she loves you.
Speaking of English Dudes, who watched Jack Bauer kick ass in London on Monday? Fuck yeah, Bauer is back bitch.
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Indeed neecy, women are selfish and stupid. Yet we let them vote and be judges.
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All is fair in usurious co-dependency and war.
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So she even gave you the social proof of having initiated the breakup! Looking back on it, this sounds like full of win for you once you got over caring.
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They always come back when they see you’ve moved on.
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Nope, they come back for the cock
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@ thwack
Nah, they come back for the man. The cock is just a boner…er, bonus.
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thats what I said
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I agree with Neecy. 11years and not yet married? Maybe she got bored in your relationship. This story is similar to my friend story her bf said “he just need time without her” but she found out “he just need time without her to fuck other girls” They were in a rock steady long distance relationship their major issue the bf doesn’t want to settle down and be a forever free bird.
How painful is that? she’s still not interested to meet another men 😦 but she improved herself her anger threw them in the gym and she’ll be a prof fashion designer soon 🙂
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Yup. The female agenda is absolute in it’s resolve – You don’t make an honest women out of her – out you go – you’re to blame – end of story … Script plays out very quickly too – especially with women most worth having in your life.
With ‘lonely in space’ dude – Don’t you find it telling that Mom was waiting in the wings to pay off the mortgage? I’ll bet that Dear Old Dad is staring at his bank statement and wondered what the hell happened to all his money. Heh.
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Haha, “escalating the relationship.” No. Women leave because their man’s game becomes weak.
Many a man has lost his woman, learnt game, acquired a new girlfriend whilst bedding many more, and then his original woman suddenly regains her interest in him.
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7+ years of cohabitation? Depending on the state, they may be considered Common-Law married.
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Could he legally claim he’s married and claim half of her shit?! Especially if her mother helped them with the mortgage.
Why not? Life is war.
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Ya’ll probably are creaming over this:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3529042337001/princeton-student-why-i-dont-apologize-for-white-privilege/#sp=show-clips
Here’s some more fairly recent links:
“Meanwhile, what was once feminist blasphemy is now conventional wisdom: Generally speaking, mothers instinctively want to devote themselves to home more than fathers do. (Even Sandberg admits it. “Are there characteristics inherent in sex differences that make women more nurturing and men more assertive?” she asks. “Quite possibly.”) If feminism is not only about creating an equitable society but also a means to fulfillment for individual women, and if the rewards of working are insufficient and uncertain, while the tug of motherhood is inexorable, then a new calculus can take hold: For some women, the solution to resolving the long-running tensions between work and life is not more parent-friendly offices or savvier career moves but the full embrace of domesticity.”
http://nymag.com/news/features/retro-wife-2013-3/#print
here’s a woman calling out ‘new-age feminism.’
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/16557/
Seems like everyone is getting fed up….
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just remember who was first to give air to the fed uppedness.
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Its like progressives think that the old family order was some kind of patriarchal prison, when in fact it was the cornerstone of civilization.
Even some of them are starting to “get it”. How clueless does a working woman need to be to not get that having children and running a household > “working” in an office.
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Dude is Jewish. Not white. Check name. He’s trolling.
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Dude’s a shill and frontrunner, looking to position himself for a ride on the next wave; the liberal trough is too crowded (what now with the bindi and sandnegro frontrunners joining).
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Scray, a “privilege” is something a more POWERFUL person give a less POWERFUL person.
So who gives white people white privilege?
Do you see the trick?
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The other side of privelge: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-second-wind.html
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bla bla bla whether he’s Jewish or not, what he’s saying about the bullshit race privilege industry is right on.
Israel is about the only country that’s practicing a reasonable racial policy. They are a true nation. Learn from it.
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Yet their diaspora squawk and ketch about more immigration into white Christian countries all the while they concentrate African refugees and asylum seekers into CAMPS in the Negev, deport thousands back to Africa, somehow persuade poor Sweden to take their surplus Eritreans
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.567450,
even Jewish politicians in Australia, offer to take in Israel’s asylum seekers – see http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia
On top of that the Tribe then decides to sterile its Beta Israel – Ethiopian Jews with Depo Provera injections against their knowledge.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel
Not to mention some very nasty racist riots against Africans in Tel Aviv that went worldwide and the international community censured Israel…er I mean nobody heard about
Get that a Likud serving minister called Sudanese a “cancer”..
No one has a problem with the deportations its the double standard “By way of Deception, you shall make War” we despise.
On a lighter note Irelands minister of Race Replacement got his cards yesterday, but left a intergenerational time bomb by previously giving out approx. 70,000 passports to arficoons and assorted riff raff, who will inevitably parasitize the native host community and drag down the natives with the usual low IQ/low impulse/rape and other shenanigan’s
I think the Chosen may be in for a rough century.
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Always feel bad for guys who get played by their ex-cunts. I’ve been there, most men have. The fucked up thing is that even if she dumps you, the cunt will manipulate you into feeling guilt and shame over the breakup. Combine that with your already heightened emotional state due to the pain of withdrawal and you have a recipe for beta oblivion.
Of course, once you learn the true nature of cunts you become pretty much immune to the long con that is the LTR.
“The ability to be alone, to have isolation as your primary state of existence, will serve you in good stead in any situation in which you find yourself. The ability to live in Merged Permanence teaches you only how to function within the context of Another’s neuroses, inadequacies and failings. It teaches you how to use your own neuroses, inadequacies and failings as both cudgel and petition. When the Merged Permanence ends, whether next week, next year, five years from now, ten years from now, you are left with completely useless life skills, emptiness, fear and emotional hunger.”
– Dave Sim
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“A man can’t get swindled unless he swindles himself first”
and that’s where a man must start. the archer that misses doesn’t blame the target or the bow, only his actions.
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‘My girlfriend of 11 years’
lol stopped reading after this — that bitch HAS to be past her prime. Who cares. Let her go get her old used cunt pumped and dumped lovelessly.
Forsooth! Why despair over such sour pussy?
You got her when the getting was good. She’s an idiot if she thinks she can do better at this stage of the game. Rejoice!
The path is clear tho….just start fucking younger, hotter girls (shouldn’t be hard because this girl has to at least be around 30 lololol).
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You can say that because you’re emotionally removed from the situation.
Try spending 11 years with someone and then have her leave you. The emotional pain is involuntarily, you are incapable of thinking rationally. It’s a very real physical reaction, not just a mental hang up.
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*involuntary
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thats why we need to teach our boys not to have an emotional connection with “the help”
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I certainly feel for the guy. 3 points:
1. Feeling for him doesn’t do him a lot of good. Getting legal help might do him some good if he can get that transaction reversed.
2. We’ve all been there emotionally Statistically it seems certain that women will drive a good man to that point, that critical learning moment. We all make mistakes at that moment, some of us lose a girl we could have kept and should have kept. This guy should break up with her, but he lost the house.
3. We should have a survey if this hasn’t already been done 100 times. “What was your biggest red pill moment?”
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I was with a girl for years and without any of this knowledge never got this hung up — to the point where I’d violate my integrity.
I dealt with it by going out and drinking…and sending random drunk txts to her, like a normal red-blooded American male.
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Except… you weren’t just mocking him for giving up his stuff, you were mocking him for being upset at the breakup. (Yet you admit you have had emotional reactions to breakups yourself. Who doesn’t?)
This guy isn’t a sap for being sad that the girl left him. He’s a sap for letting her walk all over him and take everything, in hopes that she’ll come back to him.
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‘Yet you admit you have had emotional reactions to breakups yourself’
This is fair, I should have given context: my chick was 24 when we ended things, therefore I did lose out on the rest of her youth. I missed the rest of her (limited) beauty. Legitimate cause to be upset. This guy, by contrast, sucked up all her youth. Nothing’s left. So ya, my mocking him for even being upset still stands and he’s a sap for both. The being upset is just more blue pill — he’s valuing this woman as though she were 23 even though she’s AT LEAST 30.
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How does a man respond to being told, by another woman, finding his girlfriend/wife is the best thing to ever happen to him? Assuming she is worthy of praise, should he just agree?
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“How is it your bi’ness?”
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Gotta hold your frame, people. Don’t let chicks mess with your boundaries. That’s what the chick is doing when she talks about his S.O.
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this is kind of a backhanded compliment to the man. it’s like she’s saying, “get on your knees and thank the lord every day you got her, because look at yourself.” a woman who says this is either the GF/wife’s sister/BFF rah-rahing for the home team, or she harbors some deep unresolved attraction for the man. that’s why her words are lashed with a hint of spite.
the other possibility is that the man is a known and regarded ladykiller, and the presence of a GF/wife in his life is helping keep him on the straight and narrow.
either way, the man could simply agree, no harm no foul, or be a mischief-maker and reply with an eye twinkle, “Or vice versa.”
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I sticking with ‘left-handed’. Backhanded still sounds too overt to my ears. I know we disagree.
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Ok, thanks. He answered, “Absolutely.”. I think that was a good response. The girl, who said it, is very pretty and did seem to be flirting a little.
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I always thought a backhanded compliment is meant to sound gruff but is substantively a compliment, whereas a neg is meant to sound pleasant but undermine confidence, substantively an insult..
Your kid hits a home run in Little League,
Backhanded compliment: you say “Why didn’t you swing harder and hit it across the soccer field too?
Neg: you say “You’re really good at corking the bat!”*
* yes I know that in Little League they use metal bats that don’t need to be corked, but whatever the neg doesn’t have to be scientifically cogent either.
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“this is kind of a backhanded compliment to the man.”
Bull5h1t. She is testing his boundaries.
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“We’ll see.”
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@Amy
“We’ll see” is my verbal equivalent of “…”
This has worked for me so many times.
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“Hardly. You should have seen the steak I had yesterday.”
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My answer is usually “They’re only as nice as they have to be.” or “SHE’S they lucky one, I’m made of awesome!”
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How would she know that? Was the guy some kind of delinquent before this chick got attached to him?
I must say I’ve never had that comment even though I have usually been a pretty humble appearing guy (not so much any more.) It’s definitely an insult. Not even a backhanded compliment, because there’s no compliment in it for the guy.
But a real beta will think it’s a compliment because he’ll figure that he’s better now that she’s with him and it’s a recognition of his improvement.
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She should have left long before 11 years if she wasn’t a wife.
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Exactly. If a woman hasn’t made a move after the two year mark of not getting what she needed (marraige etc) then it’s her fault for staying.
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My dad was in a 20 year relationship with step mom (no marriage and one child). She never even though of leaving until he told her he needed and loved her. He used to say the most degrading things to and about her in front of his friends and she would just punch him in the arm or slap the back of his head. Woman cooked and cleaned for 20 years with no marriage prospects.
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Man! I smell like pussy right now.
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She got tired of waiting to be a wife.
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And took the house as compensation for the loss of her womb’s fertility? Weird, she should have left earlier. She has no right to this.
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Normally, a woman becomes a wife first, then steals a man’s house.
She skipped a step. Good for her.
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I use this worry commonly when given the “I have a BF” line by young women – unless I plan on using him as a safety-net when bedding her in case she turns up preggos. I’ve also used similar things when it comes to a married woman. In business it’s called “ghosting,” you want to get the target thinking by voicing her same concerns/fears back to her. Of course, since they were together for 11 years, and she’s 28, I suspect it’s more a case of her wanting to experience all of the things that she’s heard from her girl-friends that she’s missing while she’s still young enough to enjoy them. Never underestimate female peer pressure…
At 28 her fertility clock has started to drop by 5% per year and she’s seeing the writing on the wall. Heck, I target women in the 18-25 bracket because of the fact that they “have plenty of time” so aren’t looking for anything long term – but at 25 they start to want to pop out a rug rat of two. Well, that and studies have shown that the brain isn’t finished developing till about 25, so I use them when they are still young and dumb – and VERY attractive. It may not be nice to say – but that doesn’t change the facts.
He really needs to ask himself, when was the last time, he introduced her to something new sexually, which made the crawl away pleading, “no more”, or crawl to him begging for more. If his answer is, “What?” He has his answer on why she left. Heck, one of the things I regularly use on young women is the fact that, “Well, he’s only 20. So you have to excuse him for being ignorant of all of the things women can enjoy sexually.” That starts them thinking, and wondering what they are missing… I’ve used that line many times with women, when planting the seeds for later. Groups of women, are predictable – you can’t say when any one will text you, or call you to find out what she’s missing – but if you get enough of them thinking, some will take the bait. 🙂
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I was dating / married to a woman for age 19-26.
I can hardly complain to be out of the marriage now, although it took a few weeks to get over my anger/grief.
Bonus tip: ex-wives can usually be gamed and banged. After a few years of those ol’ stretch marks, though, you won’t want to anymore…
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Chicks love murderers with seven other girlfriends
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/07/4102792/sentencing-set-for-miami-beach.html
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There is no better insight into the male / female relationship than the Chateau.
Judge women by their deeds alone.
The important themes here are to do with so much more than just sex. We encounter beta-dom everywhere, not just the bedroom. Compare Obama to Putin …
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I hear that Obama slays a lot of poon, wimp that he is.
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If by poon you mean “gay showerhouse sex with men”, then yeah, I heard the same thing.
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If by ‘slays’ you mean…nevermind.
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Heh…
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If he hadn’t been anointed prez by the libtard establishment, he wouldn’t.
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Whether he does or doesn’t, he could.
Matter of fact, this is probably the greatest “tell” that he might be a homo; the fact that no college girlfriend have come forward to discuss their relationships.
Being a tall, dark, handsome, cool, blk man attending Columbia Law school in NYC in the 1980s made him an instant bitch magnet. The fact this history is largely a cypher makes his sexual orientation highly suspect.
*just sayin*
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Thwack he is not supposed to have attended Columbia Law.
He is said to have attended Columbia undergrad, but he didn’t do that either.
He’s probably never set foot on any campus of Columbia University.
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The solid evidence is that Obama has had sex with a woman twice.
Everything else is the rather unstable conjecture.
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Watch, now she’ll start calling him to come over to fix broken stuff around the house.
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Like his broken cockaszaszzz….
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He should buy some lingerie and leave them strewn on the floor of the passenger side of his vehicle when he goes to the house.
Oh wait, I think my machiavel score went up again. heh
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hmm I haven’t started having a built up collection of chicks crap in my house yet weird
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Good impulse but too obvious. A single blue/white inhaler (you wouldn’t believe how many chicks have inhalers) on the passenger seat will do. That looks a lot less like fakery.
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Is there a significance to the colors blue and white? Are you referring to an asthma inhaler or a hookah? I know I am so out of it …
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A blue/white inhaler is Ventolin made by GSK (British), which works better than the red/white inhaler made by Teva (Israeli). All other inhalers had to go off the market because the FDA decided tiny bits of CFCs used in inhalers not destroying the ozone layer would reveal the whole anti-CFC thing to be the fraud that it is.
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Bitch needed anal to prevent the if monster from being unleashed
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“If Monster”
Hypergamy’s grotesque physical form. Loves to eat babies.
Only if she should consider is, “if he leaves me which bridge will I sleep under tonight?”
Never let her play offense.
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Just wow, you were really pretty
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heh
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I hope she does that after he comes to his senses. I am not sure it would go as she expects.
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Depends if there are kids involved. If you live in a “Planet Mommy” state (like Massachusetts), it’s easy to say ‘lawyer up with a pro-man lawyer and fight …’ None of which makes a damn bit of difference if the judge is a man-hater (like many, if not most in states like that…)
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Obviously it depends on your state, and there are different ones out here to choose from. The pro-men lawyers generally know the good from bad judges and game the system rather effectively. Now Massachusetts, well, any man who would continue to live in that hell hole state, regardless of his relationship status, basically deserves his own court rape. When you live in a sewer don’t expect sympathy from others because your fork isn’t properly clean at dinner time.
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So I deserved to get raped? My only option was to (somehow) know a couple of years ahead of time the marriage would go south and somehow convince her to move to a less-bogus state (and hope to get a job of the same caliber.) Besides, I don’t recall asking for sympathy, just pointing out the simplistic answers bandied about her are often BS.
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I thought Tradcons are the bigger white knights.
Which states are better for men?
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Indeed.
A good barometer is gun laws and castle docrtines. If the state won’t let you defend yourself in an alteraction, it probably won’t let you defend yourself in family court, either.
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At least a D cup on a 36″ bra.
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“A man can’t get swindled unless he swindles himself first.”
CH thinks it’s always a man’s fault?
[CH: I didn’t say that. When we’re talking about epic fail swindles, these can’t be entirely pulled off without some self-deluding cooperation by the victim. It’s similar to the slut who walks through a bad neighborhood at 2AM, gets raped, and asks “What did I do to deserve this?”]
That would make two of us.
Laziness is the only reason we stick around for more than six months. Relationship should be nuked by the man once he’s resorted to thinking about someone else while smashing her. If that happened men would be responsible for 99% of breakups.
“A chronically peaceable woman is a romantically withdrawn woman.”
CH on fire. She wants to fight, make up, get pounded. Stability = dry pussy.
Beat the shit out of her mind, body and soul. Her pussy thanks you.
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“Relationship should be nuked by the man once he’s resorted to thinking about someone else while smashing her.”
I had a discussion with some friends the other night about this. We took turns estimating how many bangs it took before we started fantasizing about other women during the act… I say around ten, then the magic is gone.
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“A man can’t get swindled unless he swindles himself first.”
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Sounds like a version of:
“you can’t cheat an honest man?”
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We’re generally in a ready-to-swindle state as a function of the messages we get growing up. We’re betas.
We become more resistant to it as we shed those beta concepts and return to our natural alpha state. But that takes learning red-pill, the most important part of which is recognizing the beta and letting it go.
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These blogs are decent with regard to breaking away societal bs, but they still fall short because, despite pretending not to, it’s basically all about putting the pussy on the pedestal and working to get it. My gut instinct says that an “alpha” would dabble in this recreation during his younger years before realizing it’s not as good as the billboards and commercials say. Wet pussy gets old, and the antics of the owner of the pussy gets even older.
I find entertainment in reading people like CH, but over on YouTube there are two guys (Inmendham and Tueen Tuo) who really make you question everything you were told,without the faint hope that one day things will be better, which is what blogs like this provide. You want the ways of the universe, this isn’t really the way to go.
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“Wet pussy gets old”
The hallmark of low T.
Abstract thought and destroying HB gash is what we do.
Throat fucking is not pedestalizing. Anal reaming is not pedestalizing. Red pill puts them where they belong. Tied up and squirting in the fucking basement.
High T > hope
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bullshit. what you do is play the same ego-gratifying game everyone else plays. get back to me when you’re either a) living in a cabin in the woods because you don’t want anything to do with society or b) start murdering chicks because you’re fed up with the same cycle over and over again
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“bullshit. what you do is play the same ego-gratifying game everyone else plays.”
CH already has this covered, bitch. Suck it.
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16. Dancing Monkey Hate
Hater: Men who run game are just doing the bidding of women. Alphas don’t entertain women.
If you want success with women, you are going to have to entertain them… one way or the other. The same is true of women. Once a woman stops entertaining men with her body, her femininity, and her commitment worthiness by getting fat, old, ugly, bitchy, or single mom-y, she stops having success with men. We are all doing the bidding of our biomechanical overlord, and on our knees to his will we surrender, by force or by choice. You fool yourself if you believe you have some plenary indulgence from this stark reality.
Or: If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
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Furious Ferrett, with the egos running around here it needs to be repeatedly slammed in faces and shoved down throats.
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Unfortunately, I’ve grown bored of girls begging for it as deep in their ass as possible; become weary of throat-fucking my ex-wife in the house her boyfriend bought her and living jizz stains on the sheets; am unamused when yet another girl offers to send nudes (or just sends them without asking first).
Even validation gets bored after a while. I want some good ol’ transactional sex, but I can’t bring myself to pay for an escort.
Eventually a man has plenty of semen toilets to shoot his load in, and wants to pursue other things with his life. Sex with women is just a more pleasurable form of masturbation: yes, it should be done multiple times a week, but no, it is not really a very worthy pursuit.
When sex meant kids, family, free labour, dynasty, well, that’s different.
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Not this shit again.
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stay tuned. your “pussy on a pedestal” ilk is about to be mocked in a future post.
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You already covered that: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/the-unbearable-triteness-of-hating/
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I think a fist + the arm it’s on is a similar shape to a pedastal.
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A dick is also shaped like a pedastal. Hmm. God is saying something here about how women should be treated.
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can’t wait.
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Does Inmendham seem like the kinda guy you’d want to mentor you? Show you how to get what you want? Jesus. Haven’t heard that name for 7 years, kinda surprised he hasn’t jumped off a bridge yet.
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Yeah, this is my point: most people say they want the truth, when all they really want is to get laid and have a few bucks.
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Who cares if it inflates your ego when you’re giving something to someone with no expectation of return receipt. Fucking everybody has a big ego, you and me included. I get compassion fatigue just like the next guy who wakes up at 7am on a Saturday morning to slice vegetables in an urban soup kitchen. So you brighten the day of a whole bunch of down-and-out folks who made stupid fucking messes of their lives, and it serves your ego. GOOD. You did good that day. Now take the ego stoke from that legitimate act of positive contribution and use it to bolster your game that night at the bar – fine, good, great in fact. See my point? Dark triad and Inmendham-ian nihilism have plenty to teach us, but ultimately these philosophical schema only get a small weighting in our game portfolio if we’re going to be succeed in living a remotely joyful existence.
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“it’s basically all about putting the pussy on the pedestal”
Haven’t you crawled in here saying that before? Desiring sex is NOT to put a woman on a pedestal. How ridiculous. That’s like saying you put the bank on a pedestal when you rob it.
Oh, or you actually use the expression not for the woman, but for sex itself. That’s what is “put on a pedestal”. But instead of showing your contempt for the sex, by saying “put sex on a pedestal”, which would show how ridiculous your thinking is, you make it “put the pussy on a pedestal” to make it sound like men who get sex are crawling before women’s feet. When the exact opposite is true.
And there’s your strawman, that all men in the manosphere only want short hookups and never girlfriends or wives. False.
Sounds like you don’t get much sex, don’t have any luck with women, and hate the men who show the way you can’t follow.
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I hate the smiles on faces, mine included, when people think they’re “winning.” The ego is what I hate.
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Sex is much like the need to urinate each day or eat. One can go without for a while. One can also piss in filthy latrines, eat nothing but protein shakes, and masturbate.
Only when abundance of sex is achieve can men speak with any credibility about putting pussy up on a pedestal. A good example of this is Roosh’s “clown for women” post.
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“I need some space” means “I want to stop sneaking around to fuck the other guy and just be with him.”
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@Flahute so right your not even funny!! Dudes need to stop living with/marrying women so when they pull this crap you just walk away with all your stuff.
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yep
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This guy is an idiot. I lack words for his shear unadulterated stupidity…
If she asks for space, it is so that she can spread her legs for the next guy… Believe me, I have been the reason “she” needs space quite a bit over the years. Of course, I have also been on the receiving end – when I was very young and stupid – not that she ever really enjoyed the result (I am NOT nice, and sometimes I can be downright unpleasant when I set my mind to it), but that is neither here nor there.
He should mark this one up to being young, dumb and stupid, and get on with enjoying life. At 28 he has MANY years of enjoying women ahead of him (she’s on the down-hill slide – there are younger women to be enjoyed) – get out there and start enjoying the freedom she has given you… You have nothing to tie you down – move on to another area of the country – travel, enjoy, there are billions of women out there to sample and enjoy, use what you have been granted to sample life.
And never look back… He can see this as the best thing that ever happened to him, and he should work to make it so. But that is his choice. Ever guy has that choice at some point in their lives – he should make it one that worked for him.
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Life for a man can start at 35. If you are single with a bit if dough and keep trim you will be fucking a lot.
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Totally true. I’m 40 and can vouch.
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Add a bit to that.
Young men, do not even think about marriage until you hit 30. You are literally at you most attractive to women around age 35. If you have a bit of money tucked away and your career more or less together women will throw themselves on you: women around 24-26 especially.
Do not indulge you desire for a regular hole to fuck in your twenties. Resist the temptation to get hitched too quick. Around 30 you will develop into an irresistible target for attractive looking women when you gain a little maturity. Young tight pussy.
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Would this be an ‘alpha dad’ move?

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Has a man ever said to his woman ‘I need space’?
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yea
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After my last gf gained weight, I said it many times.
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Only when she’s hogging up the bed otherwise she’s a goner and not a word is said about it. Now you see me, now you don’t
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One of two things could be true. We could blame this on his all out betaness and thus diminishing his “ammo” or leverage on the relationship. Or we can blame this on his status as a man. It’s probably one or the other.
Seeing as to how they are in their upper 20s….she is probably looking to get a high status guy for the future (aka high status career).
So, I can pretty much guarantee she “needs space” to invite other men who offer more status/providing for her future–more independent men.
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Why psychopaths are more successful.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10788449/Why-psychopaths-are-more-successful.html
I just read this and it appears that one of the tactics taught amongst PUA’s (try a goal of who gets the most rejections in a night) was something used by a “psychopath” and his friends.
While I don’t think that’s a psychopathic tendency, it certainly makes me believe that the “psychopath” in question is familiar with the teachings of PUA’s.
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“psychopath” is a label used by the feminist media hordes to define how a man should be if your read between the lines. It’s all backwards. If you read the entire article, top to bottom, you would paint a picture of my grandfather and his before. No nonsense, get shit done, fuck them if they can’t take a joke.
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Do you ever get the feeling that the idea of a psycho is construct? Sure there are dangerous homicidal people, yet plenty of people without a conscience stop short of crimes, because they are also rational enough to understand blowback.
Most of the qualities of so called psychopaths are those of the pathological winners in history.
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pick a screen name faggot
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“Psychopath” isn’t even a legitimate term of art in the psychiatric profession anymore. If you mean “anti-social personality disorder”, no, APD people are not generally more successful at anything.
Stop reading clickbait articles at the Telegraph.
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how can you take their words seriously when they use their tongues to clean the royal staff after debauched fornication
i’m liek i think some of my spunk is in your teeth still ya cunt
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“i’m liek i think some of my spunk is in your teeth still ya cunt”
lol
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More regret sex… errr, rape on campus! http://www.freep.com/article/20140507/NEWS06/305070140/U-M-rape-charges-lawsuit
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this like 12 years a slave minus the nigs
solomon nofuck
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A classic line from “The Lady Eve.” A moonlit deck is a woman’s business office. Hollywood was much more honest about women 70 years ago.
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I’m currently preparing my 39 (on mothers day) self to move into a home in which my 7.5, 29 year old girlfriend of 7 months is resident.
Ive done this before, a failed marriage of 6 years and a failed marriage of 56 days (what can I say, I woke up).. This will be a no marriage talk no bullshit type of arrangement, and nohomo but we actually are in love with each other. My first indication was that I slowly stopped fucking the other 4 girls I was seeing when I met her… I’m positive this fight for me and the competition anxiety and the drama it naturally creates is one major factor she’s now so completely in love. Even hug her feeling up and down her back for any sneaky indications of extra fat. I pinch them and poke them, no matter how miniscule. She’s now finished her SECOND P90X program. Hott as fuck, thanks. Chunk shaming works, boys.
I gamed her perfectly, if I do say so myself. Textbook shit. Even dumped her a couple times early for ridiculous reasons, and later framed them as excuses because i was afraid i was falling in love with her. Pro-Tip. But honestly, I’ve finally come to a place in my 4 years of poon plundering singledom, where I am craving the familiarity of a long term cohabitating relationship.
I’m in love and excited, but not stupid.
or…. am I?
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Cohabitation destroys attraction.
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Oh damn. Now I have to move out of my house??? If so, Mrs. Gamer will be pissed. XD She was pissed when I vacated her bed for several years (medical reason–I had to sleep sitting up) and this will really set her off.
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“I gamed her perfectly, if I do say so myself.”
The real test starts on mother’s day. Costanza game!!
Best of luck.
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looking for yareally.
so today for my job these 4 women came by and i was assisting them with their job. one was pretty cute, and she had.called me prior to meeting. i felt a bunch of sexual tension w her…body language etc. today i wasnt overwhelmingly charming, but i got the impression she was attracted regardless. i just wasnt very verbal, and her coworkers in constant sight…the vibe was restrained. anyway, i still have her number. that’s the end of their visit i sort of slyly asked their names again (id forgotten) and then looked at my target and asked “oh your the one that called me right?” she said yes and noticeably perked up after i asked.
so id like to hit her up and have no problem going for the kill but i wonder how i ought to play this. part of me errands to be no bullshit and just tell her i liked her vibe and i wanna invite her out. i teens to go direct and its worked fairly well in the past..my looks are above average, so i tend to get away with it since it actually makes me more attainable in their eyes by showing interest more blatantly. but i know I’ve also been too forward and killed the mystery at times.
how to play any thoughts?
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jeeeeze.
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Jeez is right. This one really needs to read the archives.
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the fuck you say that for? been reading ch for years dipshit
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lol. women don’t mind getting hit on while in a group by an attractive man. they love it. more direct the better because it elevates her status in the group. its ego/hamster jet fuel.
the vibe wasn’t restrained, your opinion of yourself likely was. that’s your weakness. you are showing her you are a dickless wonder by NOT calling her or asking her directly when she is giving you the go sign. in person, smile, be direct, call her. text her. TELL her you are creeping her off of the number u have.
do it now before you confirm her worst fear that you are a massive vagina.
your welcome dipshit. #readmore #getsmarter
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Tilikum is not known for adding a lot of value here
Mostly for saying one-off comments and such. He even admitted himself that he puts on a tough persona on the boards here to make up for a lot of the niceness he “puts on” in the real-world.
Read enough of his shit and the typical red-pill demeanor comes through in his writing
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not true! i love everyone! and my jizz cures cancer and loneliness. ask ur mom.
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i’ll prob be accused of ‘anti-game’ here but in this specific instance, in light of the normalcy of your business-y interaction with this woman, i would be brief and non-entertaining in my initial text invite. just send: ‘hey ‘betty white’, it’s latent sadist. i’ll be x martini bar tonight, feel free to join’.
an even lazier text would be simply ‘hey ‘betty white’, it’s latent sadist. wanna get a drink sometime?’. That’s for if you are certain of her attraction, and DHVs in that you won’t even put in the effort to select a time/place to meet up let alone run text game 101. You’re confident she’ll chase you and do the ‘work’ of selecting time/place – which also indicates her availability (aka fact that she isn’t really ‘super busy’ after all).
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Good response to a woman asking for space/breaking up with you:
“I’ve been thinking about it for a long time, too. You’re really not working for me.”
Click. Hang up phone. or, if said in person, walk away. And cut off ALL contact.
Key: make sure you say it without ANY hint of bitterness. Smile and seem happy, if you can, or else just do it like a bad business deal–no emotion.
Hamster on spin cycle!
Wait until she contacts you again (and she will)—and then wait 24 hours to respond. Proceed to normal gaming.
I did this with a cute redhead once. I ended up with a permanent fuck-buddy who, whenever I visited D.C., I not only had a place to stay without asking, but a guaranteed good lay–for years. And when she asked me why I left HER (note the hamsterization there!–but in your favor!), I would deliver a good line to keep her on the hook:
“I really don’t want to talk about it.”
Now, the only thing I would do differently is change the final line to the Heartiste-approved classic:
“It’s complicated.”
Happy raping, boys!
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Psychopathic Machiavel Move:
Move your ass out and text her: “I’m gonna kill myself. Hope you’re satisfied.” Go dark (throw away your cell). Find some new hotties to bang.
I think my Psych and Mach scores hit 100 just now.
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emotionally volatile game eh?
works well once they are hooked, till then not so much!
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I was thinking of the OP context–gf of 11 years. She has guilt already and this would ramp it up.
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Not really. No offense, but it sounds really try-hard and beta. If she believes you, you’ve just made her completely satisfied that she controls your emotions. If she doesn’t, she thinks you’re a whiny drama queen.
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Threaten to kill yourself over her departure and she will cum that much harder on NewDude 2.0’s cock. The ultimate validation.
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Check local laws before you do this, she might call 911 and you might be committed for a lengthy stay where they will subject you to humiliating counseling and jack you up with psychotrophic drugs…
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Idiot
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That’s why you throw away your phone–you don’t want anyone to find you. Take a day off from work. If the cops show up it’s just a practical joke that got out of hand and she misunderstood.
“Threaten to kill yourself over her departure and she will cum that much harder on NewDude 2.0′s cock.”
Nahh, you don’t understand women. She won’t sleep until you are found. She will invest a lot of emotion into you. Then when you show up laughing, you’re a jerk and she’s wet.
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I’ve been running Dread on my wife for months. I know my 5h1t about Dread, Psychopathic Game, and Macchiavel Game. Suicide threat is a form of Dread.
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When your ex-gf shows up to confront you, you tell her that she is really sweet to care and you just wanted to make sure that she knew how much she still cared, blah blah blah, go for the kiss.
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Duber, that’s Drama Queen Game, not Dread Game.
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random specific Machiavellian ‘last-resort’ iteration of this might go something like this:
-LTR ‘good girl’ who is obsessed with her public image, being the ‘great catch’ etc, dumps you after 1 yr+ long LTR, leaving you high and dry in your darkest hour when other life circumstances weakened you as never before
-the serial monogamist bitch latches on to NewDude 2.0 within a month
-You are shattered by how easily she moved onto NewDude 2.0, but you get your feet back on the ground around the 2 month mark
-By the 3 month mark, you’ve successfully GFTOWed, and that stupid beta heartache is finally gone
-THEN, and only then, you pull this psychopathy on her (i wouldn’t overtly say ‘suicide’ in the text – cover your liability but imply the possibility. and i would’ve been NC for 3 months at this point, so extra ‘out of the blue’ impact for her.)
-Her blossoming LTR with NewDude 2.0 is toast. She’s a trainwreck with horrible judgement and is showing she cares way too much for you in the eyes of NewDude 2.0, who becomes jealous and angry at entire situation. Her carefully crafted persona is toast throughout her entire ‘community’ save 1 or 2 best friends and her immediate family
-You win. You ‘went dark’, but you’re still fucking new chicks. And you just pulled a totally psychotic move, but bizarrely – in good conscience, you just don’t care.
‘i wish / that / i knew what i know now / when i was younger…’
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@yareally and @HABD more questions. Sorry but so much going on at once.
33YO she just texted me and said hope you are ok. I have not responded but I think I am going to respond. Doing great, busy with work. Text you later. Then when it is nighttime prime texting time. I will strike up a convo with her. I predict that she is going to be a little scared after her flake, I am not going to even mention it. Then do a little light chat and move towards a meetup next week. I am too booked this week I have my meetup with my 40YO who is DTF for tomorow. And friday and weekend is some family time.
40YO set for meetup tomorrow after work. I am going to send her a friendly text no sexual stuff to avoid ASD with the meetup details. Nothing else.
20YO not sure how to address her. It was definetly her on the phone. May have not handled it right. What should I do next. Strange situ. Iam predicting she wants me to contact her. But she is afraid after my last butthurt rant. As weak as it was. But we did seem to have a mutual attraction. Context she is a bit isolated in a semi rural area without reliable transportation. So I beiieve she is not as sophisticated as some of these chicks are. I predict if I ext her why are you calling me it may spook her but also make her feel and then just wait for her to respond. Is this the right move? Should I wait until tonight?
26YO I sent her the give me your news tonight and wear heels. But never got a reponse. Should I still go even knowing she will probably not show up. And use that time to flirt with other girls at the bar. Just in case she shows up? Or should I just not go? Believe me I have other things to do with my time.
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“33YO she just texted me and said hope you are ok. I have not responded but I think I am going to respond.”
Dude, don’t respond. “Hope you’re ok” is her trying to relieve her own guilt over whatever bullshit she pulled on you. Ignore her until she’s begging for your dick, don’t give her any attention.
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“So then we hung up and I started thinking. She sounded familiar. Sure enough it was the 20yo Brazilian chick! And I checked my phone there was no outbound call to her.”
lol sneaky girl. It’s interesting to see how her mind works hey? She’s so programmed to avoid looking like she’s chasing you that she’ll come up with shit like this to try to prompt you to chase her.
“So what do you think I should do? She is full of shit I never called her number. She called me and acted like I called her.”
Not a COMMON tactic, but not something I haven’t seen or heard of before. A lot of girls will just make shit up and pretend it happened because a lot of guys will just go along with it because hey they’re getting her attention at least lol
“Should I text her again? With the who is calling me?”
Nah. She’ll deny it was her. But now you have the upper hand, you know she’s trying to get your attention again. Just chill, she’ll contact you again. If you don’t hear from her for a week, then you can initiate some shit…if you’re 10000000% sure it was her I would say “have some roofing to do, know any roofing companies I can call?” lol
“This is crazy.”
You’ll get used to it. 🙂
“33YO she just texted me and said hope you are ok.”
“I think I am going to respond. Doing great, busy with work. Text you later. Then when it is nighttime prime texting time. I will strike up a convo with her.”
Yup, that’s fine. She’s been punished enough. She probably won’t flake next time.
You COULD do this: “Ignore her until she’s begging for your dick, don’t give her any attention.” but she feels bad enough. If she were more of a bitch or more standoffish, you would hold off longer. This one legitimately likes you and wants to meet up again and is trying to start up conversations and smooth things over. If she does flake again you go hardcore no contact for like 2 weeks as punishment.
Actually something you could \do is chat with her tonight but don’t push for a meetup yet. Instead just be flirty/sexual but don’t arrange a meetup and do that for a week or so until she starts going “so I’m off work early thursday…” basically “begging” for you to meet up with her again. ‘Cause then to her it’s like “he seems to still like me, so I didn’t fuck things up…but he isn’t pushing to meet up anymore…what’s going on? DOES he like me?? Does he think I’ll flake again?? I should let him know I want to meet up……”
“I predict that she is going to be a little scared after her flake, I am not going to even mention it.”
Yup, perfect.
“Then do a little light chat and move towards a meetup next week.”
Yup.
“40YO set for meetup tomorrow after work. I am going to send her a friendly text no sexual stuff to avoid ASD with the meetup details. Nothing else. ”
Perfect.
“Iam predicting she wants me to contact her.”
She does.
“But she is afraid after my last butthurt rant.”
She is. She liked you but you went all gay on her.
“Context she is a bit isolated in a semi rural area without reliable transportation.”
On a side note, switch to nicknames for these girls instead of using their ages lol I didn’t realize you and the hair photo girl have hooked up a ton before and you beta-ized with her (I wouldn’t have recommended the push for meeting up with her wearing heels if I had realized that, I would’ve gone with the first suggestion of playing hard to get for a bit longer and just telling her to tell you her news over txt). You got too many girls on the go 😉
Since you’re older their ages are a bit more relevant than if you were in your 20s (since the dynamic is older man and younger women VS two same-range ages), so I’d recommend something like 20yoBrazilian, 40yoBMW, 33yoReligious, 26yoCocky, etc. Just something so that it’s easy for us to go “oh, okay THAT girl” when we help ya.
“Context she is a bit isolated in a semi rural area without reliable transportation.”
If she’s rural then I would guess she did the roofing call from her family’s home phone or from a friend’s phone. She may have, say, dialed you intending to make contact from her family’s phone because she was sitting around the house and it was nearby, but then chickened out or something. who knows what went thru her head but it’s pretty unlikely that a roofing company would have a cute chick doing their phones and calling people back asking “did you call me?” instead of “Blah Roofing”, or calling someone “back” at ALL lol
It’s cute tho.
“I predict if I ext her why are you calling me it may spook her but also make her feel and then just wait for her to respond. Is this the right move? Should I wait until tonight?”
I’d say if you DO want to do this, and I won’t say it’s a bad idea, things could go either way with her, I would call her out in a playful way like you’re lol’ing at what she’s doing. So instead of “why are you calling me?” which is kind of scary (esp since she’s 20), I would txt something like “I’m getting a lot of unknown numbers calling me lately…I’m starting to think I’m being pranked.” Like you want to still pretend that you don’t know who she is because it would be gay to NOW be like “I know it’s you Brazil” after you pulled off the “who’s this?” so believably lol
With something like “hmm I keep getting calls from unknown numbers. Am I being pranked?” it gives her an opening to be like “this is Brazillian! did you really delete me??” and start a conversation.
But I would send that tonight VS during the day. That’s actually fairly solid, it gets a conversation going…she might be too shy/embarrassed to actually just txt you without any kind of response on your end. This one could really go either way, it’s hard for me to tell right now.
“26YO I sent her the give me your news tonight and wear heels. But never got a reponse. Should I still go even knowing she will probably not show up.”
Oh god no. Don’t go at all lol Fuck her. ’cause 1) she can respond if she’s going to come out, 2) she will definitely flake if you haven’t heard from her, 3) I gave you the wrong advice ’cause I thought you two had only boned once (I think I thought she was the BMW girl who tried to sugar-daddy you) so pushing for the meetup didn’t destroy you but wasn’t the optimal move with her given your history of beta-izing yourself around her, and 4) even if she DID show up, you flaking on her would just build attraction with her that you would have the audacity to flake on her when you’re supposed to be the beta lol
“Believe me I have other things to do with my time.”
Nah, do those other things. Don’t even give it a second thought tonight. Shoot the 20yo a txt tonight and see what happens instead. Radio silence for 26YO, and don’t acknowledge her flake. If she sends any kind of “sorry I fell asleep” tomorrow just wait a few hours and send a “lol” and then radio silence. With her you’re basically not allowed to contact her, only react to her contacting you, because any contacting her will enforce her beta view of you from before. So you can react to her initiating, but not initiate yourself. So basically write her off in your head completely for now. She’ll probably poke you again within a couple weeks and you can DHV some alpha shit with your response when that happens.
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FR Tonight 26YOCocky HB9 lots of sparks flying.
Too late I just got your answers. And I met up with her tonight. If you remember from the last update I did what yareally said and told her to meet me at 7PM to tell me the news. She never responded until 7pm. Then she said sure, and I said ok come on down. I figured I would go down to the bar. It was a TGIFridays and if she did not show. It was ok. I gave it a try. So I went. She texted me that if I take her someplace worth it she would wear heels. I said ok. Plenty of places near by.
I got there and got a drink and waited. There were no women in there worth even talking to so I just talked to the fugly bartender. And watched the game. She texted me around 8:30 and said she was on her way and showed about 9PM. So she was 1.5 hours after I got there. Funny thing was. In the past I would have been very upset and nervous about this whole thing. But for some reason I was not. I think the knowledge I gained has put me in a totally different state of mind. I was much more indifferent. However I was a little nervous about how I was going to handle the college level shit tests she would give me. And man I was not disappointed.
So she gets there looking gorgeous but not wearing the heels. I said nothing about it. We both act like nothing is wrong and nothing has happened. She proceeds to tell me about her news. She won her bikini contest and got into a magazine. However she did not have the photos. That got me a little skeptical. But she was qualifying herself to me and that was good. So I recognized it congratulated her and we continued to talk. I made a concerted effort to not try to impress or talk too much. Just be light hearted good eye contact lots of touching and friendly.
Then she starts telling me about a guy she met online and how funny and cool he was. Shit test on its way. I knew I should do something so I started looking away from her while she was talking and looked at the game on tv. It was uncomfortable but I was not going to give her the satisfaction. And then all of a sudden there across the bar appeared three cute girls probably 7’s. Not nearly as good as her but they would have to do. I started looking at them. Eventually I was able to change the subject. And we moved on.
She then got around to asking if I was seeing anyone. I told her yeah and did not play it up. But she wanted details. And she insisted. So I started to vaguely tell her about my other spinning plates. She took it pretty well. But she talked some shit about them and kept drinking her beer. Asking me about each one and if I had sex with each one. Where I met them. How old and what they looked like. Then she starts telling me about another man she had met. And that she is absolutely in love with him and he is going to break her heart. He is a surgeon and he is gorgeous, has great friends and is down to earth and is just perfect. She was describing an alpha male. Which she has quite a bit of experience with. And these alphas are usually criminals. Not doctors and certainly not surgeons. Now I know a lot of doctors and I have a lot of them in my family. And I can tell you they are rarely the alpha type. They are IQ 150+ and very strange or nerdy, and very hard to talk to. They don’t hang around 26yo hotties like this girl. Especially surgeons.
So she is shit testing me hard now. So I start to make really strong eye contact with the girls across the bar. The more she talks about this dude the more I am eye flirting with these girls. The amazing thing is the girls are barely even noticing me. And since my girl has her back to them she only sees me. Finally after about 10 minutes of this ridiculous battle she breaks down and starts complaining about it and alludes to she just got her nails done and does not want to go over there and fight them. I am stunned!
I just smile and say . What? Like nothing has happened. I am trying to be the biggest asshole I can be. I have to tell you that a month ago I would not have done this. But the red pill is having an effect on me. Lol So then she just gets more worked up. Complaining and cussing and getting madder and madder. I just keep acting like nothing is wrong. She has completely forgot about the mythical surgeon that she is in love with. Lol Then I start to get a little worried. Maybe she is going off the deep end. Maybe I went too far? So I offer a half hearted apology but by this time her emotions are taking over and she is in a spiral. Things are very uncomfortable at this point. You guys say to make them feel a lot emotions. Well let me tell you. I have never seen her like this. She was feeling alright and I was worried that she was feeling too much. Then she tells me how disrespectful I am and that this has never happened to her that it is usually her that gets hit on by other guys with their girlfriends. And that is why she never goes to the mall. And that I am rude. Then she calls her little brother and tells him about it. And looks at the other girls again and says that I should have at least upgraded instead of going down. She was spinning out of control her eyes are getting wet. I was genuinely worried. I was not sure what she was going to do.
So then she tells me she is going to leave and now she is crying, and I try to stop her but I have to pay the check. And she bolts out of the bar. I get the check and pay and head out to stop her but I am too late. I can just see her pulling out of the main plaza parking lot. So I head home not knowing what the hell to do next. Damn I must have had an effect on her?lol
I actually feel a little bad. But I must admit my blood is up. Then when I get home. I get this text below. It is another rant.
Her: U are soo disrespectful…. i cant believe it. Some black guy in the parking lot saw me crying, now im in his jag smokin a blunt wit him. Even HE doesnt get y u would look at any1 else when im in front of u…. its insulting to me to be smiling and winking at bitches that are no where near my level….. i showed him the girls too thru the window… he says ur ignorant as fuck!!!! Smh… couldn’t agree more…… so disappointing. My eyes were on u the whole time u were talkin to me….. smh .. Why don’t I get the same respect in return? I will never know….
My initial inclination is to text: I saw you leave in your car. But I did not. Then I thought. Maybe I just text. OK.
So far I have not done anything. What do you guys think? Did I go to far? I was just trying to diffuse the shit test. Damn she got emotional bad. Any ideas on the proper response?
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Just posted a long FR on 26YOcocky. Who knows how long it will take to get up here. What a night.
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I think 26 year old is a lost cause. She needs to be nexted for a few weeks just so reco can clear his head.
He’s too wrapped up in her because of all the awesome blow jobs and the newness of a hottie.
The others he’s starting to calibrate better and that’s producing results.
Also…for guys wondering do 20 year olds dig late 40’s guys…I’ve not had a problem with that at all.
In fact, it’s a certain type of late 20’s girl: usually DTF…a little more of an outsider from her social circle, someone who often works shift-work and isn’t all about having a “bf”.
They’re all reading “50 Shades of….” and into becoming someone’s Anastasia.
How many 20 year old dudes can master this?
If you walk around in dad sweaters..yah, you’ll look like they’re creepy piano teacher.
Wear black jeans, boots, form fitting shirts and stay in shape…you’ll be more interesting to them. Women want someone with experience, they just don’t want someone like their dad.
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Update on 26YOcocky field report. Thanks for the words of encouragement. Things get a little crazy sometimes. I talked to my friend about it. He is a true natural and has been doing a lot of what the guys are doing on here for many years. And he said that she is fucking crazy and I need to get away from her. That there is too much pussy out there to worry about her.
When I finished my story. He said well you did good on holding your ground. But that I should have closed the deal. He said he would have had that little bitch out in the parking lot sucking his cock and when he got done with her he would own her. Thing is I have seen this guy do this before so I know he is the real thing.
He then said if you really want to see her again. What I should do is. Send her a text telling her that you need to calm down a little and we can get together in a couple of days and talk if you can show up on time. Then don’t do a date or drinks or anything just meet her and get her in your car. Then let her have it. Tell her how disrespectful she is, how much of a bitch she has been. That why the fuck would I want to meet up with her when all she wants to do it talk about other guys. First she shows up late, then you start talking about these other guys? And you want me to apologize to you about looking at other women? Whey the fuck would I want to sit there and listen to that shit? You can do whatever you want I don’t care but you are not going to behave like that with me. Then call her out on that ridiculous story about the black guy in the jag. Call her a liar and say you don’t know when she has ever told the truth.
And since she is obviously into me. Then say I thought there may be a chance for something long term. (To bait her). But not with this crazy shit. Then he predicted she will apologize. And then after she comes down and calms down. And asks what to do. You tell her. Well I am sure not going to fuck you. But you can suck my cock that will help a little. Then after that you will own her. And she is the type that wants to be treated like this.
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@reco
Txt “lol” or “lol you’re so dramatic” or “lol guess you’ll wear heels next time.”
Either of those is fine. I like the last one the most because your letting her know that you intend to hang out again which is still moving things forward.
Just the one txt. Then radio silence for a day or so while she calms down. If she blows your phone up just send a “txt me again after you’ve calmed down.” and radio silence for a couple days.
I’ll break the reasoning for this down later. Do not engage her in a conversation tonight or push for a meet up. Ignore her till she calms down. She’s being a rat so she doesn’t get your attention. Do not reward this behavior with your attention or you will teach her to bring you more drama (this is where walawala kept fucking up)
Do not apologize or tell her “well you told me about your surgeon” etc. that’s all just her sucking you into her “this is a fight” frame. Your frame is “lol you’re a silly girl this isn’t a right don’t be dramatic you silly girl.”
Will do a breakdown later of all the dynamics that went on and what all went thru her head. She is definitely a clusterB crazy but you did everything perfect lol this chick will be madly in love with you very quickly.
You’re witnessing the complete shattering off everything she knows about how the world works because you aren’t acting like you’re supposed to an like other men do. This is all PERFECT outcome right now. Trust me it’s all crocodile tears and real legit frustration that you aren’t falling in line. I was applauding as read lol. Awesome work man, you did great. This is all on schedule and predictable and a green light despite how it looks on the surface
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Lol your natural buddy is LEGIT. The advice he gave would have you owning her. Buuuuut you might not want that if you have a wife that she can fuck things up with. A clusterB is like handling nitro glycerine lol
Also the point to turn it around on the initial date, which he was trying to indicate to you when he said he’d have made her fuck him is when she was freaking out in the bar you could have just stared her down and slowly and confidently nice and slow as you move in say “you’re so high strung right now. (In her ear) you need to get fucked.” And just led her out to bang.
Good to see how a natural views it lol you’ll find naturals tend to get into emotional battles with girls more because they tend to be emotional drama queens themselves and addicted to it (most of their lives are pretty chaotic). I prefer a low drama route where I take attention away rather than get into a “fuck you I don’t know if you’ve ever told he truth” scrap. My reply will have a less chapters out the same way: let her tantrum die down, give her no attention while she throws her fit. Do not reward this behavior. She wants ANY attention even negative attention. She gets nothing.
Also you may want to about this whole situ entirely if the drama becomes too much for you. I can distance myself from it because I’ve dealt with lots of these girls but it could take a toll on you so if you need an escape route it’s no prob don’t be embarrassed, this chick is a shitshow that can be tamed but it might not be worth the drama lol
If your wife found out about her and your other girls realistically how fucked would your life become?
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@reco
Lololololllol did you see her leaving in a jag or in her own car? Was she 100% making the black guy part up? I mean obviously she was but like did you legit see her full of shit? Because that is hilarious. Chick has balls lol also it tells us more about her personality which tells us more about how to deal with it.
Even if you ditch this girl the takeaway from all this should be how much of a different actual game makes. This girl would eat most guys alive but you are like a solid oak tree compared to when you let yourself get beta. Massive props on your development and applying game to your life.
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Great advice, YaReally. Girl creates drama. Take attention away.
My wife always creates drama after I go out dancing alone on the weekend over some little nothing I said that she decided that she didn’t like. It’s all just insecurity testing. I just smile and ignore it and enjoy the peace and quiet when she is giving me the silent treatment. “Please, brer fox, don’ trow dis po’ body into dat briar patch.”
“you’ll find naturals tend to get into emotional battles with girls more because they tend to be emotional drama queens themselves and addicted to it”
Ouch. Yeah, been there, done that. Working on fixing that problem. Even when trying to minimize drama, you still need to call women out, then take attention away, it seems to me.
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If you liked that last one you are going to love this one. And yes the black guy with the jag was a total lie to make me upset. It really did not work. Later that night here was the texting.
Me: Ok 12:51 AM
Her: I was so happy, and having a great day, why would u do that to me?? …… 1:01 AM
Her: Karna 1:02 AM
Then I went silent until a few minutes ago and here is the exchange.
Me: Lol guess you’ll wear heels next time 4:20 PM
Tiffany: Yes most definitely!! So i can take 1 off and stab u in that ugly ass mole on ur forehead 🙂 4:22 PM (lol its really not that much of a mole, but she sure noticed it)
Tiffany: Oh ya and u can keep it after that too 🙂
I think she is a little worked up. I honestly did not do that much fucking with these girls. I think it was the fact that she was not getting what she wanted out of this. And I know a lot of the wisdom is that you need to take this chick and forceably fuck her but I have my doubts if it will work with her.
So I am going to send her the calm down text next and then go silent.
This is some crazy shit.
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Meant to say flirting with these girls above.
And yes if wife found out I would be fucked.end of the marriage, 50% of all of my assets, and alimony in perpetuity or until she finds another victim to marry her.
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@reco [bracket comments cuz it’s faster…]
FR Tonight 26YOCocky HB9 lots of sparks flying.
Too late I just got your answers. And I met up with her tonight. If you remember from the last update I did what yareally said and told her to meet me at 7PM to tell me the news. She never responded until 7pm. [shit test…you failed by being available…] Then she said sure, [how did she get ahold of you? were you waiting by the phone for her to call like a polite, thirsty beta…? alphas fit girls into THEIR lives on a first-come-first-served basis…so the girls have to jump through hoops not you…] and I said ok come on down. I figured I would go down to the bar. It was a TGIFridays and if she did not show. It was ok. I gave it a try. So I went. She texted me [shit test…just the texting is the test, since she’s still setting the frame…] that if I take her someplace worth it she would wear heels. [shit test…this time the content is the test…don’t negotiate…cuz then she is controlling the frame…] I said ok. [failed said shit tests… should have said ‘some other time, then’ then hangup on her and go dark…] Plenty of places near by. [you could have still pulled this out even with failing these tests…if you suddenly realize that you made these mistakes, go to a new place, have fun, and text her in 3 hours to join you at the new place, with all your new friends…you just decided to bounce and forgot about her til then…]
I got there and got a drink and waited. [shit test…failed…her making you wait is the test…you’re in her frame…and she’s the prize to be won through your diligent beta devotion…don’t get down on yourself though, beta programming is reinforced by the social niceties and years of indoctrination…it doesn’t just ‘go away,’ you have to actively kill it with extreme prejudice…and you’ve been working pretty hard…you probably have ‘alpha fatigue’ setting in…] There were no women in there worth even talking to so I just talked to the fugly bartender. And watched the game. […and waited…don’t forget the waiting…this is the ‘sub communication’ that she has a higher SMV than you…] She texted me around 8:30 [shit test…] and said she was on her way and showed about 9PM. [shit test…can you see the pattern?…] So she was 1.5 hours after I got there. [so, she has 1.5 hours more value on the SMV scale than you do…she didn’t know that until you showed her by waiting…] Funny thing was. In the past I would have been very upset and nervous about this whole thing. But for some reason I was not. [you are starting to see things from red pill viewpoint…that you can replace her pretty easily…] I think the knowledge I gained has put me in a totally different state of mind. [it has…the thing is, she doesn’t know that new you, and to show her you have to communicate in the language that she understands…and that is through sub communications…] was much more indifferent. However I was a little nervous about how I was going to handle the college level shit tests she would give me. And man I was not disappointed.
So she gets there looking gorgeous but not wearing the heels. [shit test…] I said nothing about it. [fail…but at this point, you could not recover if you did say anything, cuz it would sound butt hurt…] We both act like nothing is wrong and nothing has happened. She proceeds to tell me about her news. She won her bikini contest and got into a magazine. However she did not have the photos. [shit test…] That got me a little skeptical. But she was qualifying herself to me and that was good. [no she wasn’t…if she was qualifying herself, she would have been explaining why she was late without calling (her car broke down and her phone was stolen…) and why she didn’t have on heels (because the shoe fairy stole them this morning and she didn’t have time to buy more…lol…) ‘so, please don’t be mad’…that’s qualifying…essentially telling you why she is good enough for you to consider her for your gift of genetic material…] ‘t I recognized it congratulated her and we continued to talk. [fail…you should have just changed the subject or given her some ‘punishment’/neg…'(mag name), huh?…that’s almost as good as Women’s Body Building. you should do well with your shoulders…’] I made a concerted effort to not try to impress or talk too much. Just be light hearted good eye contact lots of touching and friendly.
Then she starts telling me about a guy she met online and how funny and cool he was. Shit test on its way. [good for you to spot this…did you also spot the sub-communication?…that she set the frame and her frame is that you are her beta orbiter…] I knew I should do something so I started looking away from her while she was talking and looked at the game on tv. It was uncomfortable but I was not going to give her the satisfaction. [good attempt to salvage…] And then all of a sudden there across the bar appeared three cute girls probably 7’s. Not nearly as good as her but they would have to do. I started looking at them. Eventually I was able to change the subject. [to the girls? that would have been good…lol…were you polite when you changed subject? the social niceties = asking for permission = beta…] And we moved on. [at this point, if you had realized that you were in the position you were actually in, you could have just got up and started talking to the other girls…rude? yes, absolutely…but effective…but you might have been too far in the hole at this point…]
She then got around to asking if I was seeing anyone. I told her yeah and did not play it up. [why not? competition anxiety has to come from somewhere…every one of those other girls is PRETTIER, SEXIER, HOTTER, and WILL do more things for you than she has ever done to date…get the picture?…and she only has herself to blame cuz she asked…lol…] But she wanted details. And she insisted. [of course she did…now why might that be?…start to deconstruct your interactions…pretend that someone else on the board has these same issues and analyze the situ…] So I started to vaguely tell her about my other spinning plates. She took it pretty well. [were her feelings more important than yours?…] But she talked some shit about them [what exactly did she say?…what she said will provide you with the ‘sub communication’ that you need to know to figure out her angle…] and kept drinking her beer. Asking me about each one and if I had sex with each one. Where I met them. How old and what they looked like. [this is where you start to make shit up…lol…] Then she starts telling me about another man she had met. And that she is absolutely in love with him and he is going to break her heart. [how does beta orbiter land feel?…not quite as comfortable as before, i bet…] He is a surgeon and he is gorgeous, has great friends and is down to earth and is just perfect. [or she was just making it up…girls do lie, you know…now, why might she do that, do you think?…do you think it might have anything to do with her locking you down into a chasing frame?…] She was describing an alpha male. Which she has quite a bit of experience with. [i notice that none of them have committed to her…cuz she would have brought that up…] And these alphas are usually criminals. Not doctors and certainly not surgeons. Now I know a lot of doctors and I have a lot of them in my family. And I can tell you they are rarely the alpha type. They are IQ 150+ and very strange or nerdy, and very hard to talk to. They don’t hang around 26yo hotties like this girl. Especially surgeons.
So she is shit testing me hard now. So I start to make really strong eye contact with the girls across the bar. [good play…did you comment about them to her too?…] The more she talks about this dude the more I am eye flirting with these girls. The amazing thing is the girls are barely even noticing me. [not so amazing…girls have body language cues down on an unconscious level…those cute girls read the 26yo’s body language and knew you were her beta orbiter…so no competition anxiety…they weren’t missing out on anything…] And since my girl has her back to them she only sees me. Finally after about 10 minutes of this ridiculous battle she breaks down and starts complaining about it and alludes to she just got her nails done and does not want to go over there and fight them. I am stunned!
I just smile and say . What? Like nothing has happened. I am trying to be the biggest asshole I can be. [remember ‘asshole’ is a symptom, not a cause…but good job on not supplicating or apologizing…] I have to tell you that a month ago I would not have done this. [you have made good progress…] But the red pill is having an effect on me. Lol So then she just gets more worked up. Complaining and cussing and getting madder and madder. I just keep acting like nothing is wrong. She has completely forgot about the mythical surgeon that she is in love with. Lol Then I start to get a little worried. Maybe she is going off the deep end. Maybe I went too far? [no you didn’t, but the cognitive dissonance between your beta orbiter cues (the failed shit tests) and your alpha cues has her confused…so she has to put more pressure on you to push you back into her frame…] ‘t I offer a half hearted apology [how do you train a guard dog?…or a BPD gf?…you push them a little, they react, you let them win…you push them a little harder, they react more, you let them win…you’re training her to get what she wants by ever more increasing level of ‘crazy’…] but by this time her emotions are taking over and she is in a spiral. Things are very uncomfortable at this point. You guys say to make them feel a lot emotions. [yes, but in a controlled way…and you need to know what you are doing or it could get out of hand pretty fast…] Well let me tell you. I have never seen her like this. She was feeling alright and I was worried that she was feeling too much. Then she tells me how disrespectful I am and that this has never happened to her that it is usually her that gets hit on by other guys with their girlfriends. And that is why she never goes to the mall. And that I am rude. Then she calls her little brother and tells him about it. And looks at the other girls again and says that I should have at least upgraded instead of going down. She was spinning out of control her eyes are getting wet. I was genuinely worried. [lol…] I was not sure what she was going to do. [this is always a bad place to be when dealing with girls…her hamster was in a battle with her sense of reality…not a good place to take a girl…but not all that bad either…]
So then she tells me she is going to leave and now she is crying, [shit test…] and I try to stop her [fail…beta = still reacting to her frame…] but I have to pay the check. And she bolts out of the bar. I get the check and pay and head out to stop her but I am too late. [well…you’ve got that going for you…lol…] I can just see her pulling out of the main plaza parking lot. So I head home not knowing what the hell to do next. Damn I must have had an effect on her?lol
I actually feel a little bad. But I must admit my blood is up. Then when I get home. I get this text below. It is another rant.
Her: U are soo disrespectful…. i cant believe it. Some black guy in the parking lot saw me crying, now im in his jag smokin a blunt wit him. Even HE doesnt get y u would look at any1 else when im in front of u…. its insulting to me to be smiling and winking at bitches that are no where near my level….. i showed him the girls too thru the window… he says ur ignorant as fuck!!!! Smh… couldn’t agree more…… so disappointing. My eyes were on u the whole time u were talkin to me….. smh .. Why don’t I get the same respect in return? I will never know…. [congratulations…you pinged her alpha sensors at least a little bit…or else you were just a ‘disrespectful’ beta orbiter…and she’s using this to get you back into orbit…(probably that last one…lol…) and she gets to have some drama and get all her other orbiters to agree that she is much better than those sluts at the bar…lol…]
My initial inclination is to text: I saw you leave in your car. But I did not. [good…stop reacting to her frame…] Then I thought. Maybe I just text. OK.
So far I have not done anything. What do you guys think? Did I go to far? I was just trying to diffuse the shit test. Damn she got emotional bad. Any ideas on the proper response? [don’t text anything…you need to go dark…you need some time to process this…and to work out a plan…don’t worry, you can go dark on her without any damage, since she was rude and left you…how does it feel to be set solidly into her frame, where you are chasing her…?]
‘when you find yourself in a hole…stop digging…’
the overall analysis on this is that you had developed into her beta orbiter with a sexual history (not sure if i remember the details on that…i’m also not sure what her angle was on that either, since most orbiters don’t get sex…maybe sugar daddy?…did you spend a lot of money on her before? you may have even thought it was just your idea?…), then went dark (against her expectations) but then you reacted to her ping (like a beta), (as opposed to being active in reengaging her = alpha) and then failed all of the tests that you should have passed (if you were truly an alpha) then flirted with some other (lesser) girls instead of paying her attention, so she reacted to get you back into her frame…
her hamster is spinning your ‘going dark’ as ‘he was just busy with work’, etc. so she still sees you as her beta orbiter. she just needs to lock you into that frame, cuz you started to get out of that frame when you were flirting with the girls at the bar. so the question is…’after she left, did you go back into the bar to game the other girls?…lol…
more questions…what was your prediction going into the meet? were logistics set up for sex? if not, why not…? according to your FR, you didn’t see her ‘explosion’ coming…when you were in the moment, did you recognize her behavior for what it was? (trying to put you back into her frame?) or not…
overall = not bad for where you are in the process of choking down that bitter red pill. 26yo is a graduate level study (as most hb9 are in general) and you’re still working on your basis requirements…the fact that you could ignore her and flirt with the other girls at the bar is testament to your progress…good job on that part…
here’s the most important question…what have YOU learned from this exchange? the goal here, and i think YaReally will back me up on this, is to get YOU into being able to analyze your own interactions, and then the interactions of others, so you can make progress on your own, and then help other guys who are trying to choke down the red pill…
make your plan…predict your outcome…observe the results…troubleshoot/adjust and repeat…
recommended action = spin up your other girls…and go dark on 26yo…2 months after last contact…you need some time to soak in some more red pill, and take a breather with more normal girls…26yo’s a ‘firecracker’…and you don’t want to blow off your hand when you get the bang…you also don’t want to spin up a guard dog situ…
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@reco
i got an analysis in the stack…bit different take on the situ than YaReally, so i’m interested to see his analysis…
basically… good job in working yourself out of the hole you started in…
on the wife thing…start to game her…srly…you need to get her locked down asap…cuz the 26yo could blow up your world…
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@Reco, 70% of girls today aged 19-26 are batshit BPD, and 26yo is one of them. Does she know your real name and address?
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“Me: Lol guess you’ll wear heels next time 4:20 PM
Tiffany: Yes most definitely!! So i can take 1 off and stab u in that ugly ass mole on ur forehead 🙂 4:22 PM (lol its really not that much of a mole, but she sure noticed it)
Tiffany: Oh ya and u can keep it after that too :)”
lol this is all bluffing. She’s not mad at all, she’s not going to try to kill you with her shoe, etc. lol This is just her throwing a tantrum. My response to this if it were me would just be a “lol then I’ll have to make sure your hands are tied. ;)” etc.
“I think she is a little worked up.”
Yup, but that’s okay. She likes it. This is what she wants. Like I say, Twilight isn’t a movie about Bella and Edward meeting and being happy together. It’s a big emotional rollercoaster of “will they won’t they what if he kills her he’s such a jerk to her omg he’s really prince charming” bullshit.
She’s heavily heavily attracted to you right now and frustrated that she is.
“I honestly did not do that much fucking with these girls.”
Nope, you didn’t do anything. Logically she was the one yapping away about other men. She wants you to get jealous (’cause it’s okay when SHE makes YOU jealous in her mind ’cause she’s the high value one, but you’re making her jealous which gives her a computer error because that’s not how it’s supposed to be), and not only did you not get jealous but you started checking out other girls lol And then SHE got jealous and you gave no fucks. You shit all over her frame, it was amazing and beautiful and will result in a phenomenal amount of attraction.
All her “anger” is frustration at herself for being so attracted.
“I think it was the fact that she was not getting what she wanted out of this.”
Yup. That’s why I say ignore all of this. This is ALL her going through her rolodex (search my archives for “rolodex” and “walawala” for descriptions in depth of how girls flip through various ways to try to get your attention or get you to do what they want or fall into their frame) trying to get you to crack. The guilt tripping, the pretend black guy, the talking about a surgeon (who may not even exist lol), the throwing a fit in public, the acting jealous, it’s all her testing shit out to see what gets you to fall into the role she expects you to fall into.
That’s why I say you don’t reward her with your attention right now, because then she’ll go “ok, so if I just bitch long and hard enough, he’ll cave so now when he doesn’t do what I want my DEFAULT level of crazy will be this level that worked this time”. Imagine how THAT pans out down the road lol
“And I know a lot of the wisdom is that you need to take this chick and forceably fuck her but I have my doubts if it will work with her.”
You could have in the moment, but now that you aren’t in the same room together she’ll put up a fight. She’s going to be a bit of a bitch for a little bit here…which is again why you don’t entertain her. You at most send her a txt saying “I’ll speak to you when you’ve calmed down and not before.” and then ignore everything she sends, says, does, etc. for like a week. That teaches her “ok throwing a tantrum isn’t how I get him to respond to me, he just leaves”.
This is all very similar to parenting and raising children who throw tantrums about not being able to eat cookies for dinner. 🙂 You don’t get mad at the kid and sucked into his frame, you don’t feel guilty about it (dumb kid, cookies aren’t healthy, you’re the dad you know better), you don’t engage him in an intellectual debate or justify your taking away the cookie jar. That would be ridiculous. Same shit here.
“So I am going to send her the calm down text next and then go silent.’
Optimal move. I would ignore her for a solid week. She’ll blow your phone up either drunk this weekend or she’ll txt you next weekend probably.
“And yes if wife found out I would be fucked.end of the marriage, 50% of all of my assets, and alimony in perpetuity or until she finds another victim to marry her.”
Honestly, with this bit said I would highly recommend you let this chick go. You could ABSOLUTELY bang her again and get her back as a fuckbuddy. You are like 80-90% of the way there right now. I have no doubt whatsoever that you would be able to pull it off.
BUT.
A chick this clusterB, when she DOES get attached to a guy, gets attached HARD. Like, probably a little TOO hard given your marriage situation. This is the type of girl who is, right now if she hasn’t already, Googling the fuck out of you, everything she knows about you, first name, last name, address, phone number, job description, image searching your photos, ANYTHING she can to find out more about you because she’s going to become obsessed with you.
If she finds out you have a wife etc., there’s a solid 50-80% chance that she’s going to go fuck that shit up for you hardcore to “teach you a lesson” because emotional girls give no fucks about any real world consequences for you if it means they get their emotions satisfied. She’ll show up at your home door and tell your wife you’re fucking her, if she thinks that’ll help her “win” lol
So basically she is a ticking time bomb…if you were single, I’d say go for it and learn how to deal with her for the experience (imagine how normal and simple dealing with your nice sweet 33yo will seem after this shitshow lol) because it’s an entirely solvable situation.
But you have a lot to lose and she has everything to gain (either she gets you or she gets to destroy you, either option is acceptable to her lol).
So I say consider this all an awesome victory, you held your frame like a boss through all of this and you got her to react to you and blew her mind and you got some insight into how the female mind works and you upped your game and stepped out of your comfort zone and it was all super awesome and a great learning experience and a hilarious story to tell other girls down the road when they ask why you don’t want to date (“lemme tell ya about this one crazy bitch…” lol).
Buuuuut, let’s cut this off here and eject you out of the situ.
Escape plan: txt her something stern like “I’m not talking to you while you’re bringing me all this drama. You can txt me when you’ve calmed down and you’re ready to apologize for this nonsense.” She will go ape-fucking-shit over this and blow your phone up with “ME?? apologize to YOU?? fuck you!!! you’re the one who–” and try to get you into a fight with her. You just ignore allllll of this. Change her name in your phone to “X DO NOT RESPOND” to remind you when her name comes up (the X is so her name goes to the bottom of your address book so you don’t see it all the time).
Then she’ll go radio silent for a while…probably about a week. Then she’ll txt you either something totally normal as if nothing ever happened (which you ignore), or she’ll txt you a sweet apology and ask if you can at least talk (which you’ll also ignore).
Ignore her completely, no matter what she says or does, for 3 weeks. If she txts you after that, txt her back “hey. sorry babe I ran into my ex and we’re going to give things another try. you’re a sweet girl though, you can do better than me. best of luck xoxo”
This txt is a good one for letting a psycho chick down because 1) you’re getting back with an ex so there’s presumably history there so she’ll be less angry about that than if you started dating a random fling instead of her, 2) because it’s an ex she’ll think she’s less likely to succeed in fucking it up because you guys may have 20 years of history together VS a random fling you start dating where she’ll be like “fuck that i’ll win him back from this new bitch”, 3) you’re complimenting her and ignoring all the drama she gave you so you’re letting her off the hook, and 4) you’re putting the blame on yourself like YOU’RE the loser in saying she can do better than you, so it strokes her ego a bit and she can be like “ya I CAN do better than you, whatever!!” and you’re helping feed that so she fucks off.
But I mean, she won’t leave you alone, of course lol She’ll try to win you from this other girl because she’s cocky and full of herself, but from then on you have to just ignore her forever.
For an example of what to expect, one girl I did this to (with a similar personality) txted/called me at least once a week for like 6 months after my last txt to her, trying to get my attention back lol
Buuuuut, better that she’s sending you bikini titty pics and “baby can we plz just go for a drink at least? just one drink? I’ll wear heels I promise, I just want to apologize for before…” for a few months than the alternative which is her going meltdown batshit crazy on your personal life lol
Now this is all calibrated to her personality. Your 33yo can know you have a wife because she isn’t the type to go batshit on you. But in general you might want to be careful about dropping the wife thing on girls incase you run into another of these clusterBs.
Again, you did amazing with this, way better than a lot of guys would. But you stepped on a landmine with this girl. 🙂 I had a buddy who actually ended up in a long-term relationship with a girl like this because he had never met one before and she sucked him into her web of drama and emotional rollercoasters. Let’s just say that didn’t end well for him.
So ya, pull the plug on this:
– txt her an “I’m not talking to you while you’re bringing me all this drama. You can txt me when you’ve calmed down and you’re ready to apologize for this nonsense.”
– ignore her for 3 weeks no matter WHAT she sends
– the next txt she sends after that, txt her “hey. sorry babe I ran into my ex and we’re going to give things another try. you’re a sweet girl though, you can do better than me. best of luck xoxo”
– ignore for life…ANY attention you give her at this point will make her think she can get back into your life and then you’re at risk of her time bomb going off again. So she’s toast once you get to this stage, for the sake of the sanity of your life. You won’t be doing any gaming when you’re busy working to pay alimony etc. because of some psycho chick.
Welcome to the game lol The big lesson to take away from all this is to screen girls. When they start exhibiting crazy drama behavior, ask yourself “am I okay with this level of drama in my life?” and cut them out fast if you’re not. Like 33yo isn’t really giving you drama. Sure she flaked, but she sounds like a sweet girl who was qualifying herself and would probably bring you soup if you were sick. There’s a difference between them and what value/energy they bring into your life and you’ll get better at screening out the ones that bring negative shit to you.
Myself, I can handle a lot of drama because I have a really strong frame and give no fucks when girls throw drama at me. I think it’s cute and I get bored without a LITTLE bit of girly emotional drama now and then. But I’m also single and don’t answer to anyone and can do whatever I want so there’s no risk for me. To me, these clusterB crazy girls aren’t that big a deal and I know how to handle them (thus all my advice here) and tame them and turn them into purring kittens (tho I prefer less crazy lol).
But each guy has to decide how much he can take. Walawala learned this with his clusterB, now he’s probably going to stay very far away from that type of girl. And that’s good because his life is negatively impacted by being around that type of girl. Yours probably would be too.
So cut your loss, call this a win on a lot of levels and focus on your other girls or take a little break. You did awesome with this, no one (especially not me) will judge you for bailing on this whole situation. You flew closer to the sun than you realized was possible, but don’t fly so close that you burn up, time to come back to Earth. 🙂
I swear girls aren’t all crazy lol Most of them are sweet, even under a little bit of drama. In a way it’s good you ran into this girl because she gave you some perspective on what letting yourself become beta causes, how girls react when you shatter their frames, how to deal with dramatic guilt trips and crocodile tears and silly girl shit…this is like training with a weight vest on. A date with a normal girl like 33yo will be a walk in the fucking park for you now lol
Any questions about all this as you have time to reflect on it? Feel free to post em. 🙂 I like to think guys following this whole adventure of yours this week were able to learn a lot from your experience here.
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Big incoming reply in moderation right now…basically ignore your 26yo till you read it.
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Yes, where I fucked up was I didn’t stick to No Contact. Since I have I’ve seen my nut case squirm, send out these weak attempts at getting attention.
After 4 months i’m feeling mentally better and in a position where I can throw out a bone with plausible deniability and then go silent again.
Read YaReally’s feedback and follow it.
I think your “natural”‘s advice is the kind of a misguided shit guys who don’t understand game lead you through. That’s the kind of drama that will only fuel her ego instead of crushing it to the point where 1) she’s more ready to follow your lead or 2) enough time will pass that you don’t really care and can act without second-guessing every move.
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“I think your “natural”‘s advice is the kind of a misguided shit guys who don’t understand game lead you through. That’s the kind of drama that will only fuel her ego instead of crushing it to the point where 1) she’s more ready to follow your lead or 2) enough time will pass that you don’t really care and can act without second-guessing every move.”
Absolutely. No Contact is golden for resetting the frame with a disrespectful or low interest chick. You just need the discipline to follow through with it. She’ll respect you more if you leave her alone and forget about her. This is important because women don’t fuck men they can’t respect.
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Right, walawala you kept caving and rewarding her for shit behavior so she kept it up because you were teaching her to stir up drama to get your attention. When you get some distance and look at it logically you can see that pattern much easier.
My new advice to reco is to bail on this 26yo lol too much to lose and she’s gone too far into chaos. Thing is, he could still get her, but she’ll be more trouble than she’s worth with him having a wife that would fuck him over if 26yo caused too much drama.
But these girls CAN be tamed…not completely, depending on how nuts they are, but like, a LOT. It just takes a strong frame and understanding how they think.
The natural’s advice is solid to 1) bang her again and 2) make her obsessed with him, but the relationship that he would have with her would be SUPER fucking chaotic constantly. Which would be okay if he was single and young and didn’t care, but that’s probably not where reco wants to invest his time right now when he could meet and hang with girls who bring him less unstable drama and testing.
Naturals tend not to care and just let the chips fall where they may, so to the natural he would be okay with a highly chaotic/dramatic relationship with a girl like this, so he’ll reward her with the fight she’s looking for but just take it over the top…but that’s setting the frame from the very start that this is a chaotic relationship and she’ll learn to expect drama around him and it’ll just keep escalating. The after-fight sex would be hot and all, but all the rest would just be a fucking nightmare of drama.
My method for handling her would be more about withdrawing attention and refusing to give her that drama and teaching her subconscious that reco will leave if she brings him any drama. It takes a lot longer because there’s a lot of radio silence and patience involved (VS starting a big fight that leads to sex in the parking lot which is a quick solution), but in the end the relationship would be a lot more stable.
But with a wife and home life he doesn’t want to risk fucking up, it’s not worth the time investment with her. He’s doing just fine with girls, he can get better ones. 🙂
Hell, I’d guess that after seeing all this shit first-hand, the notion of a relationship with this 26yo is less appealing to reco in general anyway lol
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@yareally Your right not so sure I want anything to do with this crazy bitch. I can see now that she was a little crazy and my erratic cues made her crazier. I see what HABD said about training a guard dog. That has kind of been my pattern. Thanks for the advice and the encouragement. I am going to keep working on all of these. And not contact her.
@grim no she does not know my real name or my address or my real phone number or how to get in touch with me. And are you serious about the 70% BPD number or are you just pulling that out of your ass? And what does BPD mean anyway, bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder?
@habd thanks for the in depth analysts. I can see how I fucked up the interaction by going and letting her be late, and sitting while she talked about these other guys. But it really did not take much for her to go off the deep end. She went from playing her games to crazy really quick. I hear you on the guard dog thing. I am certainly guilty of that. If I have been solid on my frame from the beginning then it would probably have been different. And what do you mean about alpha fatigue? Cause this has been quite a roller coaster. You mentioned getting another one like her easily. I am not so sure I feel that way yet. How do I get to that point?
I pretty sure I really do not need to see this crazy bitch again. You also said to game my wife and lock her down in case this shit blows up. I hear you on this one. What do you recommend? I have wife in a pretty subservient place right now. Recommend any other strategies?
And I totally agree with you on the getting to a point where I do not have to have the steps for the interactions and that I can do them automatically. This is what I want. And then you are right I can help the other brothers on here. But how do I get to that point and how long does it take?
Couple of updates. No word on the 20YObrazillian i am just going to wait and ping her in a week if she does nothing. Low percentage but she is absolutly beautiful. Texted with the 33YOprude last night and she is good to go with meeting next wednesday night. Think it will be a good interaction. I believe she has learned her lesson.
Got a field report on the 40YOblond nurse from last night. I will do that in a current post. This one is getting so long. lol
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@ YaReally
i just read YaRally’s advice. i agree with this. (it’s interesting that we got to basically the same place from two different perspectives…)
on the drive into work this am, i realized what was out of place in this whole thing. i can’t figure out 26yo’s angle. maybe it’s just cluster B crazy, maybe she’s into an ‘Ashley Madison’ narrative…? idk… it doesn’t add up…(probably my lack of infield experience…maybe i can learn something here too…)
usually the girl’s angle is some form of alpha fux/beta bux, with those categories being somewhat mutually exclusive for any given woman/man pairing…(unless you’re married and want to keep your stuff…lol…) this situ doesn’t seem to follow that pattern. 26yo doesn’t seem to still see reco as alpha cuz was flaking on him sooo much before he got here…unless him failing those tests doesn’t mean as much as starting as a beta and never getting into sex at all…(that might be it…)
correct me if i misremember, but she started out in a ‘normal’ relationship with reco (lots of sex, so he must have been giving off alpha vibes at that time, right?) but then that changed…that’s a normal progression – ‘oooooo, new and shiny….blaaahhhh, not so shiny anymore…’ lol…but then as reco fell into a beta frame (her frame) (not sure if the sex dried up or not, i can’t remember…) she started to flake on him…
usually that ends up with reco being beta orbiter/’let’s stay friends” (no sex) or beta provider (just ‘enough’ sex to keep him on a string)…either way, he’s still beta and in her frame…
maybe that’s it, and i answered my own question… reco developed into her beta (whatever flavor) and her ego can’t let it go, since he went dark and wasn’t begging to get back with her…
that may be a better way out for him than YaReally’s play with the texting…(assuming reco wants to get out…lol…) reco goes full beta and lets her drop him out of her life…full apologies, flowers, total supplication, etc. then let her flake on him then he throws a butt hurt hissy fit…that should give him even more insight into the process…lol…
idk…i’m still more than open to learn new stuff, and this is the place for that…lol…
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“Your right not so sure I want anything to do with this crazy bitch.”
Good. That’s your decision. Done. Hard line in the sand. Now you know more about yourself and what’s acceptable behavior from women in your life. That’s knowing yourself as a man, that’s a good thing.
A LOT of guys in shitty relationships are in them because they had no boundaries or standards and just went along with whatever was happening and the girl’s got out of hand and learned to steamroll over them and now they’re miserable because they didn’t know themselves enough to know “this is not an acceptable behavior that I allow into my life.”
“I see what HABD said about training a guard dog.”
Reaaaally good analogy. I may steal it, HABD lol Going to read your (HABD) analysis next ’cause I just saw it went up.
“no she does not know my real name or my address or my real phone number or how to get in touch with me.”
Good man. Keep this shit up. This is an area where I’m totally cool with lying. I use a fake last name and don’t leave mail with my name written on it or my wallet with my driver’s license etc. out in view of the girls I have over, even fuckbuddies, and I make up a fake job and brush off deep talks about that stuff. Down the road if the girl is amazing I might let her know that stuff, but not randoms early on.
“And are you serious about the 70% BPD number or are you just pulling that out of your ass?”
I can’t say this is inaccurate. I don’t think a lot of them actually HAVE a disorder, but I think society has become a place where women are VERY much encouraged to be as batshit crazy as they want and no one will ever hold them accountable for their actions so, like a guard dog, they learn to just be completely fucking retarded and expect guys to put up with it because she has 500 Likes on her latest Facebook pic lol
In like the 40s a guy would bitch-slap a chick for acting like an overgrown child and there would be legit punishment for her being a brat. But now it’s no holds barred and girls grow up learning “I can do anything I want and everyone will think I’m amazing and the more I act out the more attention I get!!!”
So 70%, ya, I’d agree. But I also think that a solid 50% of them can have that shit “trained” out of them if you get them in their early/mid 20s and you have a solid oak tree frame that doesn’t put up with that shit.
Like I can tame a lot of these girls because my frame is retardedly solid, and that’s part of what attracts them to me, because they eat other guys alive but can’t gain an inch with me and they love that because the only other guys’ that was true for were their father and older brothers, the men they actually respect in their lives.
That’s also part of why I don’t really worry about them banging other guys, ’cause I know they think other guys are pussies and other guys would fail epic hard at all the shit-tests they throw lol Girls have told me “I can get other guys you know” and I just say “I know. But they bore you.” because I understand their psychology.
Again I don’t PREFER crazy bitches, but I’ve learned how to handle them. Dealing with a normal sweet girl is fucking easy after taming a few of these crazy “I hopped in a jag with a random black guy after you made me cry in public” shitshows lol
“And what does BPD mean anyway, bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder?”
I don’t even really know, ’cause it doesn’t even really matter. It generally just means batshit crazy, you don’t need to worry about understanding it deeper ’cause you’re avoiding these chicks not trying to fix them.
“I can see how I fucked up the interaction by going and letting her be late”
This part worked out, but if you had just left and she got there and saw you weren’t there, that would’ve sent a solid message too. The main thing though is that 1) you were totally at peace with her flaking and being late, it didn’t shake your frame or rile you up or make you feel self-conscious sitting there alone, and 2) you understood that it was her shit-testing you and that she WANTED you to blow up and react to her and get into a fight
“and sitting while she talked about these other guys.”
lol I think you handled it awesome. Girls do this to me a bunch but I just don’t get jealous or I even compliment the guy, and she instinctively loses interest in him (if he even existed) and is more curious why I won’t chase her. A surgeon is lower value than a guy who won’t chase her, in girl-world.
Girls want the top dog, not to rack up a dozen notches. And they all have dozens of orbiters chasing them that give them attention and that they can use like “this surgeon took me out to dinner on wednesday how come you never take me to dinner” to try to shit-test you with but they don’t fuck those guys. One girl I know calls them her “underlings” and shamelessy brags to me about how she uses them for favors etc. because they just keep throwing gifts and shit at her but she never fucks them.
“She went from playing her games to crazy really quick.”
How fast this happens is usually a good indication of how used to getting her way she is. Like, an average girl who’s used to some guys not being that into her, won’t snap that fast. But a smokin hot girl (or a girl who believes she’s one) will flip her SHIT and go off the deep end if you hold out from falling into her frame long enough because NO ONE does that to her.
“But how do I get to that point and how long does it take?”
Years. But you have literally the entire dating career of a younger man ahead of you. Even if it took you 5 years to get rock solid, that’s still 5-15+ years of heaven for you from there.
(it WON’T take you 5 years tho lol, you’re directly applying this shit and picking up on the principles fast…it’ll take you less than a year easy because of the effort you’re putting into this. If you were just idly reading shit and keyboard jockeying, it would take you forever, but you’re actually taking legit action)
“What do you recommend? I have wife in a pretty subservient place right now. Recommend any other strategies?”
If you haven’t read Married Man Sex Life, give it a look. From what I’ve heard/seen/read it sounds like it’s helped a lot of guys’ incel marriages. You’re executing bits of it by accident right now just by flirting with other girls and such.
“No word on the 20YObrazillian i am just going to wait and ping her in a week if she does nothing.”
No rush with her.
“Texted with the 33YOprude last night and she is good to go with meeting next wednesday night. Think it will be a good interaction. I believe she has learned her lesson.”
It would VERY much surprise me if she flaked on you. Like I would be mind-blown if she flaked. You taught her a solid lesson.
Just remember: a light kiss or an ALLLLLLMOST kiss where you’re in suuuper close and just brush lips but then pull away as soon as she tries to move in for the full kiss, is 100000x better than a tongue down the throat sloppy makeout, because it creates an unresolved sexual tension in the air for her where it’s like an itch she needs to scratch, she needs to finish that kiss.
Lead her to your hotel without explaining where you’re going or what’s happening, and use your false time constraints for getting her upstairs (just one drink etc. etc.). Once you’re in the room together, just pin her against the wall, pin her arms over her head with one hand, the other hand at her cheek, and nibble her neck, kiss her, etc. lots of sexy teasing and then just escalate like a motherfucker to sexxin lol it would surprise me if she gave you any LMR, but if she does just go one step back in whatever teasing/playing you’re doing, then try again in 5-10 min when she’s a little hornier…rinse and repeat till you’re banging. And if you fool around for like an hour and she just won’t bang you, do a Mystery Method full freeze-out takeaway if you have to but I really don’t think it’ll get to that. She’ll melt in your arms when you pin her against the door and nibble her neck.
“Got a field report on the 40YOblond nurse from last night. I will do that in a current post. This one is getting so long. lol”
lol you are taking more action than most of the young guys in their prime half your age. I know guys who, tonight (a Friday night) will go get drunk and play xbox in their buddy’s basement and then jack off to porn and call it a night. Such a waste of potential.
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got another comment stuck in the stack…and probably this one too, since it turned into a monster post…lol…
here’s some info on cluster B types we talk about…
http://bpd.about.com/od/relatedconditions/a/clusterB.htm
“And what do you mean about alpha fatigue? Cause this has been quite a roller coaster. You mentioned getting another one like her easily. I am not so sure I feel that way yet. How do I get to that point?”
alpha fatigue = i just made that up…lol…trying to absorb sooo much red pill soooo fast is fatiguing…it’s like learning anything new. it takes time to soak it in. give yourself a lot of credit for how much you’ve already changed. good job!
getting a new one just like her? no…you can get one better than her easily…when? you have the chops to do it next week (take a break this weekend…)
“I pretty sure I really do not need to see this crazy bitch again.”
wait for my comment to show up. i might have a better way out than Yareally’s texting play…we can discuss when it shows…
“You also said to game my wife and lock her down in case this shit blows up. I hear you on this one. What do you recommend? I have wife in a pretty subservient place right now. ”
no you don’t…cause if you really did, the 26yo could not bring you any grief…you could tell your wife about the 26yo and get her to agree to a threesome…lol…
“Recommend any other strategies? ”
need more info…how’s the sex? porn star shit or blaaahhhh (normal beta stuff?)…does she qualify herself to you when she disagrees with you? does your opinion on the children or where she sends money or what she buys for you to eat, etc. trump hers? these things need to get fixed if the answer is no…
“And then you are right I can help the other brothers on here. But how do I get to that point and how long does it take?”
you are there now…just start and give it a try. that’s how anybody does it…give your opinion on what you think is going on, and be open to learning more if someone has a different analysis. it won’t be ‘better’ analysis…it might be more accurate (maybe…) but we never know until the post-action FR comes in…lol…so give that homework assignment a try…do the analysis on that text exchange i recommended (i forget where it was exactly)… that was pretty straightforward (in a subtle, ‘every guy’ type failure way…lol…)
look forward to the FR on 40 yo…
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“do the analysis on that text exchange i recommended”
Only thing here is that I’d say for reco to not worry about “giving back” yet. He’s still learning and you don’t want someone who’s studying elementary school math teaching a course in advanced algebra. Plus he has a shitload on his plate just getting his own shit together, let alone worrying about anyone else’s right now. I say be selfish for a bit and down the road in a year or two when shit has settled down and he’s like “boy I’ve got a bunch of free time now that I know how to handle these chicks I’m banging”, THEN start helping other guys out.
…plus that text exchange was one of the worst text exchanges I’ve ever seen in my life. There’s no reason to waste any time on it, it was brutal from start to finish…I thought it was a troll, quite frankly lol
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‘Only thing here is that I’d say for reco to not worry about “giving back” yet.”
That’s probably a good idea for the reasons you state…
‘…plus that text exchange was one of the worst text exchanges I’ve ever seen in my life. There’s no reason to waste any time on it, it was brutal from start to finish…I thought it was a troll, quite frankly lol’
i thought it was pretty bad, too…lol…but it seems to be average for guys who ‘think’ they have some game…lol…so reco could get his confidence going…
did you see my other comment? can’t quite get a handle on the 26yo angle in this…
damn…this is loooong thread…lol…
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@HABD maybe that’s it, and i answered my own question… reco developed into her beta (whatever flavor) and her ego can’t let it go, since he went dark and wasn’t begging to get back with her…
Ok a little context. I started out with the 26YO gaming her pretty well. I met her. Went for the number right away got the meetup. She is very promiscuous and was DTF immediately. It was not that hard really. She helped me. She has dated older guys before. The sex was really good for both of us and I think that was part of it. I can get dominant in the bedroom already. Then I started betatizing. Buying her stuff, spending money on her helping her with her problems. All that beta bullshit. And sure enough the testing got worse, and the sex got worse. And there were two incidents early in the relationship where I made attempts to re-frame things.
Both failed because I did not hold out. First one was real mild. I told her that she had too much to do and we can just back off for a few weeks while she gets her shit together. She got real serious and started pouting. Not real bad but enough to show me she was butthurt. She told me she wants to see me a lot and not to back off. Sex was good that night. Of course. Then a few weeks later I picked her up and she was being a pain bad behavior and I turned the car around and told her that she needed to go home we will get together some other time. She got real serious again. Did not apologize but said she was excited to be with me and could not understand why I did not want to see her. I caved and she won. Talk about training a guard dog. She was amping it up every time. I was playing some kind of weak blind amateur beta game and losing big time. That is what got me into this mess. And the whole time she was being a pain and I was failing tests.
@yareally I hear ya on the exit plan. I think I am going to execute that plan. It makes a lot of sense. I am really excited about how much I have learned. And I am truly amazed at how much progress I have made with the 26YO and it seems like no progress at all. I cannot thank you enough.
I have already made a significant donation to this site. And I have told several friends about it. I know I still have a lot to learn. And I am excited about the prospect of getting better ones than her. Easily. That still amazes me. I also tend to agree with you on how crazy she is vs how crazy I trained her to be. She is probably not off the wall crazy just been trained by society and then me to act this way. I see that now. FR for 40YO Nurse coming up in a new post, she was childs play compared to this crazy bitch.
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look, you are clearly hoggin’.
bang a 40 yo or a 33?
a sure thing with a wildabeast vs…….oh forget it. Have fun!!!
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Haha ilearned about apinnong plates here…and I assure you none of these chick’s are fat…if you dont believe me send me your email.
I am trying to learn game. …dont you hog the knowlege.
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if u are reco, u got 4 girls working. just distill is all im saying. you can get “value” stuck.
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Yes that was me from my phone in the field with the 26yo. FR coming up. What do you mean by value stuck?
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33YO – “I predict that she is going to be a little scared after her flake, [maybe not so much scared as confused…] I am not going to even mention it. [good…]Then do a little light chat and move towards a meetup next week. I am too booked this week I have my meetup with my 40YO who is DTF for tomorow. [ooohhhhh, poor baby….lol…just the results of your hard work…] And friday and weekend is some family time. “[good…game the wife, show the kids what a healthy normal relationship is supposed to look like…]
40YO set for meetup tomorrow after work. I am going to send her a friendly text no sexual stuff to avoid ASD with the meetup details. Nothing else. [perfect…remember tell her, don’t ask…]
“20YO not sure how to address her. It was definetly her on the phone. May have not handled it right. What should I do next. Strange situ. Iam predicting she wants me to contact her. But she is afraid after my last butthurt rant. As weak as it was. But we did seem to have a mutual attraction. Context she is a bit isolated in a semi rural area without reliable transportation. So I beiieve she is not as sophisticated as some of these chicks are. I predict if I ext her why are you calling me it may spook her but also make her feel and then just wait for her to respond. Is this the right move? Should I wait until tonight?”
given the 20yo location, she is probably out of options (for validation or otherwise) on the home front and is/was looking for validation from you (if you were as beta as you say the last time you interacted). on the other hand, nothing has as much promise as bright shiny new penny…lol…her hamster may be spinning her to forget your last ‘outburst’ if the rest of your interaction went well…
now, she pinged you and was surprised by the response, so she might be intrigued…hence the ‘roofing company’ call. that was her hamster trying to either get you to chase her/provide resources or arrange a meet up for those potential alpha genes. (her hamster hasn’t figured that out yet…lol…) you just need to contact her as an alpha would…ping her with ‘hey, haven’t heard from you for (however long from your beta contact…just ignore the recent interactions (just like with flaking) and let her hamster be your friend…). I’m going to be in town on X, join me for a drink at Y at 9:00 pm’ even if you are not going to be there. that gets you back in touch in an alpha way and you can cancel the ‘meet’ later…which will raise your status, since you’re canceling on her…proceed as normal…
“26YO I sent her the give me your news tonight and wear heels. But never got a reponse. Should I still go even knowing she will probably not show up. And use that time to flirt with other girls at the bar. Just in case she shows up? Or should I just not go? Believe me I have other things to do with my time.”
Sounds like you’ve had the date…will wait for the FR…
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@HABD that sounds like a good plan on the 20YObrazilian. I will wait a little while then send the ping. Maybe give her a week. If I don’t hear from her then I will reach out. Then see what happens. It is low probability but I will try.
Yes did have meetup with 26YOcocky. And it was lots of sparks i do not believe it went well but you will have to see the field report subitted last night when fresh. Not sure how long it will take to come up. I feel kind of shitty about it but this is a whole new world. Everything is so negative now. I miss the fun we had at the beginning and all of the great sex. After the report I will give my self analysis and you guys can give me your analysis.
@yareally I did not get to contact 33YOprude last night. I was too busy with date with 26YO but will do it tonight and I will follow the plan.
I think this shit is getting to me. Feeling a little overwhelmed.
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@reco
“I think this shit is getting to me. Feeling a little overwhelmed.”
Remember they’re just silly girls. You can ignore them all for a month and still probably get them back or find new ones. There are 3.5 billion of them out there. If you need time off, take some time off. If you need to whittle them down to just one or two, whittle away.
You can ALWAYS just txt “hey, busy with a work project for the next few weeks, I’ll txt you when I’m free” and just go radio silent on all of them if you like (they’ll probably txt you a few times here and there to keep in touch) and then when you’re feeling ready to tackle it some more you can reconnect with them one by one or meet new ones.
Don’t stress yourself out too hard, this is supposed to be fun in the long-run 🙂 lol
“I miss the fun we had at the beginning and all of the great sex.”
Haven’t seen the report yet, but honestly one of the biggest things guys end up having to learn (usually the hard way through painful loss and the frustration that things aren’t “like they were before”) is that sometimes you can’t re-capture those first few weeks/months together. The honeymoon period was amazing, but then shit happens (whether it’s you beta’izing or her bringing you more drama or letting herself go etc.) and you pass a point where there’s too much baggage to go back to “how it was”.
When you meet and date a lot of girls, you learn to appreciate the time you have with them, when you’re with them, but also understand that sometimes that time is limited…some view that as a sad thing, but I view it as incentive to make sure I don’t take our time together for granted and really do appreciate what we have while we have it.
It’s not that being a player means you’re forcing shit to go south and if you had just been a Nice Guy things would’ve stayed like that honeymoon period forever…99.99999% of relationships aren’t like they were during the honeymoon period a year later, it’s just that the guys in those relationships generally don’t have other options or are gluttons for punishment or too scared to break up or move on because of social pressure and stay in their now-less-than-optimal relationships, eventually getting married because social conditioning told them that’s what you do after 3 years together, and then they end up divorced or cheating or here doing what you’re doing lol
So I look at it like relationships will always get less amazing over time, that’s just their nature…and sometimes they don’t get much worse and they’re worth staying in but “the honeymoon period” is a well known trope for a reason. Those first few weeks/months are something special that has a time limit.
Anyway, will check out your FR when it’s out of moderation!
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@ YaReally
Remember they’re just silly girls.
Gamer Maxim #1: “Pussy is just pussy.”
You can ignore them all for a month and still probably get them back or find new ones.
Gamer Granny’s Maxim #2: “A skirt is like a bus. There’ll be another one along in ten minutes.”
Don’t stress yourself out too hard, this is supposed to be fun in the long-run
See Gamer Maxim #1.
So I look at it like relationships will always get less amazing over time
Gamer Maxim #3: “It’s the Chase, stupid.” Sexual relationships always revert to the Chase–even LTR’s. Relationships have ups and downs–they don’t always decline. Relationships are generally bittersweet. If expectations are set too high, then people focus too much on the bitter and they lose hope.
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Off-topic:
Hi, Yareally, can You give a quick read of this post and give me your opinion?I’m thinking about trying to do this be one of my standard reactions after a “fuck off”, do you think it’s good?
“a mischaracterization neg is different and a great example is to watch the beginning of Anger Manangement, in the plane. the black guy is negging Adam Sandler while taking a tongue-in-cheek jab at the politically correct establishment we live in today and Adam is qualifying himself to death. the more he tries, the more the black guy mischaracterizes his actions/words so he CAN’T WIN. so we can actually thank our target for this neg because basically we are using HER OWN STRENGTH–MISCHARACTERIZATION–AGAINST HER! this neg is so useful because it assumes that whatever you do is right and whatever she does to correct/criticize/accuse you of is wrong. this is how women in denial think and you just have to become a woman who is in GREATER denial than your target. you have to again become the top diva. you make her into the foolish guy who usually has to qualify himself to HER.
this helps me a lot even in approaches when i don’t do a proper approach or i’m just sick of trying a lame approach and i just want to say “what’s up?” ..this is almost qualifying yourself to her, but any negative response gives you a PERFECT opportunity to start your MN.
you: what’s up?
her: rolling eyes look or silence, etc.
you: oh man, you’re not one of those shy wall flower girls are you?..or.. did your goldfish die? sorry to hear you’re having such a bad day hehe.. or ..oh. OHHHHH wait. i didn’t realize this is your first time hanging around guys/in a crowd/getting out/whatever. my bad, i just assumed you were outgoing and all that..
basically whatever she throws at you in the way of something negative, you have to jump on immediately and MISCHARACTERIZE her actions in the same way girls MISCHARACTERIZE a guy’s actions. put the blame on her shoulders. blame her for your fuckup the way guys say “oh you’re a bitch” or “oh you’re a lesbian”. the difference is not to make it into a SOUR GRAPES comment but to make it into an im-too-cool-for-school comment that shows you have high social value and she obviously doesn’t or she wouldn’t dare to talk to YOU that way. (remember you are the bigger diva here)
girls always make you walk on egg shells and they get offended when you say something wrong and they point it out, not realizing their hypocrisy. you just have to do the EXACT SAME THING BACK. this saves you the trouble of coming up with negs because you learn to neg in the context of whatever situation or feedback she gives you. this has opened my eyes to see the value of internalizing the neg attitude instead of just trying to make an external neg line fit the situation and try to qualify it if it doesn’t work, out of bad habit.
this also teaches you how to spar with girls who think they are all that. and this lets her know that you’re the Alpha of the group and she won’t fuck with you.
I did this to a chick. moved in talking, using kino. and these chicks were Bitch Shields up, Scotty. and as i was using KiNO on the arm and talking to a smaller girl, the taller girl (target) chimed in with, “you’re creeping her out” and i said “what???” and i made her repeat. then i M-negged by saying “are you kidding me. so i should just stand here with my hands in my pockets like you guys and do the wall flower thing? hey if you don’t have any personality, that’s cool. but don’t be intimidated by something new. maybe u should just get out more blah blah blah”. then i made her start qualifying herself to me by making her say “oh no i didn’t mean it THAT way, i MEANT that you’re just intense. that’s all i meant” to which i continue to M-neg because you can’t leave her on top. you have to dominate the situation like a diva would until she sees things YOUR way and she knows you’re the top dog around here.
and an interesting thing happened after we sparred and i kept sticking to my mischaracterization of her. even throwing in a few “calm down’s” and the ol’ i’ve-seen-this-before look along with “oh man please don’t tell me you’re like most of these drama queens out here” .. and a few “hey hey RELAX!” her: “i AM relaxed!” me: still saying “CALM down.. geez RELAX it will be OKAY.” *SMIRK like she’s going crazy but it amuses you somewhat as long as she doesn’t lose it* to disarm comment if necessary.
this is basically the scene again from Anger management. it’s supposed to be funny, but the funniest part is that that’s how girls typically mischaracterize men and you just have to do it back to them until they get the point that you can’t be fucked with.. So i’m combining body language, using my hands to say calm down, Mischaracterizing her actions left and right. etc. and instead of attacking me, she went after my wing who was a “cardboard wing”(a wing i constructed off the fly when you don’t show up to a place with wings. you make your own wings by recruiting guys–showing social value. blah blah) and had no Game. So we left her with a “relax” and turned our backs to her and a few “wow i can’t even believe this chick, she’s CRAZY *with smiles and grins to indicate we couldn’t believe someone would be THAT crazy or would dare to talk to US (the too-cool-for-school crowd) that way.
then later in the night we were milling in the same place and then the same chick came over and started qualifying herself to me by saying “you’re a really cool guy” (shaking hand firmly) and i immediately reassert my dominance by saying “then what was that whole crazy act over there?” to which she starts qualifying “oh no no i didn’t mean that. i just meant this. i think you are a really cool person blah blah blah”..so it went from “you’re creeping her out” to “you’re a really GREAT guy.” did she really mean that her message was just misinterpreted? of course not. but i made her qualify herself to me.
you don’t have to worry about being logical with chicks. with guys it’s all about logic or it at least comes back to common sense. with girls, it comes down to who is the most assertive diva. in this case, it needs to be YOU.
so i’m dedicated to practicing my mischaracterization negs for the next few weeks. since i had such great success with it.”
http://www.theattractionforums.com/general-discussion/14700-mischaracterization-negs-vs-traditional-linear-negs.html
Thanks.
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dear heartiste,
i am a middleaged laundry service deliveryman. ive never had a relationship outside of pornography and prostitutes. about 4 months ago on one of my routes a 28 year old cought my eye so i drove my van ahead of her, got out and waited for her. when she walked by i offered her some skittles, and 5 minutes later i had deposited my seed in her bungholololz. she gives me her number afterwards. 4 months later im living in her house which is restored but her two dogs are kind of annoying.
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[…] By CH […]
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Story not complete without picture of the guy and the girl. Is he fat? Then he has only himself to blame. Anyone can get in shape, you get no sympathy for not doing so.
Living together for eleven years without marriage or children? Odd. That kind of relationship should be broken up. Maybe one or both of them can then move on with life.
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I’m sorry. What were you saying? http://www.kindgirls.com/photo/metart/viola_67782/7164/15/3/
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Great rack but what a manjaw.
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implants?
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didn’t even look there.
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that did make me smile
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This post was hard to read. “I’m sitting here in my new apartment wondering if I got swindled out of everything…” Uh….. That reminds me of the first time I went to a strip club. I was probably 30 at the time, but I was sooooo naive, and strip clubs aren’t part of the normal nice guy universe, so I was way out of my element. Best looking quasi naked girl I’ve ever seen (still true today) grabs my hand and leads me to the dance room. “Can you make change for a $50?”
After about half of one song, she said, “If you give me the rest of the $50 we can do ANYTHING.” Less than a minute later, I was summarily deposited outside the strip club by the stripper. “There’s an ATM across the street! Come back when you have more money!”
Horribly naive? Oh, you bet! Just like the guy wondering if he just got swindled. Yes dude, that wet sticky sensation you feel in your pants is your rectal blood oozing down the back of your legs. I hope your girlfriend was hot. At least you got to bang a hot girl for 11 years before she fucked you over.
As far as my own situation with Shamu, I think the most important thing I’ve done there is that I have decided this is MY HOUSE, and she can comply or get the fuck out. I’m not leaving, I’m not running, I’m standing up to fight for every scrap I can get, and I want her closet full of clothes and her dog and her car. I’m not yielding SHIT.
If it does come to a divorce, we all know the courts will turn me upside down and shake me until all the spare change falls out of my pockets, but they’re going to have to pick me up bodily and really work those arm muscles to do the shaking. I’m not giving up anything without making it as difficult as possible for the thugs shaking me down.
You have to make a whore shake that ass for that $1. That’s one lesson I finally learned well. The other lesson I learned is that they’re ALL whores. Even the sweet ones, and Shamu really is pretty sweet, and a nice girl. If she wasn’t fat, she’d have been a keeper for sure.
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get her step aerobics tape and stepper
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Did she cheat?
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“If she wasn’t fat, she’d have been a keeper for sure.”
then game her, dude…she’ll lose the weight…really. it might take a while, but if your game is tight enough (and given your ‘don’t give a fuck’ attitude you are in the right mind space) she’ll do anything to keep you…regardless of the marriage rape penalty hanging over your head…
two benefits to you. one, you get to practice your game…this translates directly to new pickups. two, you get the ‘keeper’ aaannnndddd get to PUA new girls…win,win…if you work it right, she’ll keep your soft harem rotation schedule up to date for you…lol…
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If I can get her to do the other stuff she’s done, I can get her to lose weight too, and I haven’t been trying hard enough. That’s on me. It’s finally clear to me I’ve been letting her slide on this just to maintain a ready excuse to split if I ever decide to go, and I’m still on the fence about that.
I shouldn’t be. She fucks like a porn star, doesn’t give me any shit, and no, she can’t get a more alpha guy than me, so she hasn’t cheated on me.
I don’t need to be married, but since I am, it’s pretty stupid to do everything I have to do just to get society at large to approve of me fucking other women. The only approval I need is can I get away with it? The answer is yes.
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@ Troubadour
…and the benefit of violating society’s social conventions = alpha cred DHV …so, win-win-win…bet the wife is a lot happier too…
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Monogamy isn’t for everybody, but polygamy isn’t for everybody either. More women = more problems, and if you are not a complete sociopath, more women will mean more drama as well. If you have a good woman at home who just needs some cleaning up, you may want to think carefully about whether or not you want to add more headaches to your life for something you get better at home, and can get even better if she gets more fit.
Have the power, and show you have the power, but don’t run out and use it mindlessly.
Also, be aware that if you convince her to go paleo or some flavor of ancestral diet, her sex drive will shoot through the roof. You might not have the time and energy to deal with other women without her feeling neglected. There are only 24 hours in a day, and some of us in the Land of Nourishing Women, without any addiction pathology or insecurity issues, can go every day multiple times per day.
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Bulls are awesome. To make him to hang his head a picador has stabbed him 3 times in the hunch – he’s charged a man of a horse and taken a spear for it – and he still has the grit to pursue a matador. Just for a chance to sink his horn in.
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“If you hear those words, leave, and don’t bother her for clarification.”
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I refer to this as the “Neil Armstrong Rule”. To wit, if a girl tells you she “needs space”, give her so much space she feels like Neil Armstrong.
À bientôt,
Mistral
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In reply to the post itself, and as glib as it might seem, the poster should view this as a lesson learnt.
What did he get wrong?
Insufficient pimp hand; too much appeasement; apologising for himself.
Remember: the whole system is anti-man, the media and the legal trade hates men, everything is based on warped, sick propaganda and nobody helps men.
Is it any wonder that men founder and are baffled?
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@Chris “The whole system is anti-man”. I’ve seen things written many times but not as simply as this.
The more I exercise my masculine imperative…the more resistance I get—often from other guys who are always only too eager to berate me for being a mysoginist etc.
When I was going out with my now ex gf there were guys in my social circle deliberately whispering shit in her ear about “he’s a playboy” etc etc….eventually some of that did have an impact constantly putting her off balance and escalating shit tests and conflicts in an already conflicted woman.
I digress. But it’s been frustrating. The red pill is one that at first is hard to swallow because so much of the ideas are counter-intuitive: want a girl to be closer? Push-pull. Don’t show so much interest, etc etc.
Woman needs space? Therapists will say “talk it out”. But I have never found this to work…ever. Sure there may be times when you have to discuss things seriously or set boundaries…but girls…especially hot girls or girls who have been hot have had the world handed to them have a sense of entitlement and beta orbiters are all too eager to accommodate.
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Last!
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I have seen the “Space” talk before. A mid 20s women I know is a serial monogamous, extremely insecure and always looking for betas as boyfriends.
She didn’t wanted to be seen as rude by her friends so instead of dumping them, she gave them the “Space” talk. The beta boyfriends supplicated for forgiveness, always to no avail. Little did they know that she always began to look for the next beta months before the talk. Once she got rid of the guy, a public mourn period of a month followed, including of course a not public fling with an alpha.
After mourning (meaning giving her friends enough time to think she was a nice gilr for not jumping into another relationship so fast) then instruct the next beta to be her boyfriend. The pattern repeated about 5 times.
Those guys ended quite bitter towards her, but in retrospective she was actually a nice, cuddling girlfriend (aka blue ball master) who never primarly intended to hurt them. It was just her nature (aka the Hamster).
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Odd that she’d use “Space” instead of “I think we should see other people.” The latter would permit her to ride new cocks at a much faster rate, while still holding on to the previous beta chump, in case the new guy pumps her and dumps her.
And by “I think we should see other people”, as if it needs translating, “we” means “her” and “other people” means at least one definite person who has a penis she wants to sample, but better for her to hold on the soon-to-be-ex just in case. Women are like monkeys; they prefer to get a grip on the new branch before letting go of the old branch.
À bientôt,
Mistral
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You nailed it Mistral.
Also, at least girl who says this is giving you a “heads up” she’s eyeballing other cock instead of just cheating on you; which she could do,
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She would love to ride the cock carrousel, but her lack of individuality and thourough dependance on their girlfriends to form her self-image prevented her from taling actions which may label her as a slut by her group.
Alas, such lack of character meant she could only be with docile betas whom she could control at a whim. She fears the alpha player who makes her wet but who will dump her for a more complete woman.
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Ding dong the rat is dead.
Which old rat?
The oily rat who wanted to genocide the Irish race,
Alan Shatter. HAIL IRISH SAVANT
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I just saw the most nauseating femtard bumper sticker ever made:
“Hillary 2016, Michelle 2024, Chelsea 2032, Malia 2040, Sasha 2048”
I kid you not.
And the femtard was driving a new Mercedes SUV, made possible of course by the sacrifices of hundreds of men.
Yeah bitch we should always vote for a female prez just because she’s female.
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Alpha fucks- Beta bucks in one vid:
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I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on the following scenario…
My friend, a 27 year-old male, has been dating this girl (a very attractive girl) for eight years. They only had a breakup for about five months three or four years ago and then got back together. They have agreed not to talk about what went down during those five months. They have been dating since they were 19 years old… “first” everything, same group of friends, close to each others’ families, etc.
About eight months ago he leaves his home nation to follow her to another country. (Note: I have no idea why she left her home nation. Nor why she clearly left him behind while still ‘dating’.) He enters an MBA program here, though it is clear he has no serious passion or mission in life, aka he basically came here to follow her.
He proposes to her about two months ago. She gives a painfully obvious, not-so-excited, and clearly hesitant “yes, but no” answer. She does not jump for joy, immediately call girlfriends, mother, sisters, etc. They begin ‘talking about it’ and he is clearly in “holding out hope” mode. At one point in the last few months she asked him if they were “really going to do this” if she decided to say ‘yes’. He is clearly accommodating her every whim and emotion, demanding nothing of her.. essentially being, acting, and breathing beta.
The latest is that they are in a totally undefined limbo and not even seeing each other on an every day basis. She admitted to being very surprised at her own lukewarm reaction to the proposal and has offered to see a psychologist about it. I have no idea if that is actually happening. He is allowing her to keep the ring while they “work things out.”
Ah, and one very important point. Immediately after the awkwardly indecisive, unenthusiastic pseudo-rejection of her boyfriend’s marriage proposal, she immediately begins confiding in a male friend whom she had met only a few months beforehand. And later on she even got caught lying to her pseudo-fiancee about her whereabouts, saying she was out with ‘the girls’ when she was with the male friend.
My friend is hopelessly in the tank for this girl and I do hope it works out for them, but since taking the pill, I know better.
I’d like him to hear how other men and women view the situation. Men and women with far more experience and wisdom to draw from. Thanks.
(PS My advice to him, knowing and sensing he is nowhere near capable or willing to end the relationship, was that he should take back the ring. Take back the ring without saying a word to her about what it means, how he feels, or the “status” of their relationship. Just take back the ring. Don’t ask for it, demand it. She has no right to a ring she has not fully accepted. He would quite literally be taking a big chunk of his power back. I think that’s his best option considering his unwillingness to just break things off.)
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the guy doesn’t want to see the truth. she clearly doesn’t love him. girls who love their guy don’t go confiding in male “friends” (she’s cheating by the way).
not that her love is worth shit anyway, but good luck convincing your friend. he’s just gonna have to ride the downward spiral until he comes out the other end with a fresh perspective.
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“and has offered to see a psychologist”
also, lol at this. this is her biding her time and holding her cards face down until she makes her escape. can’t negotiate desire.
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“can’t negotiate desire.”
This. She doesn’t have the guts to break it off cleanly so she’s killing him slowly instead.
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Fucking wow. That dude is in for a world of hurt.
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When a woman suggests “counseling” or “therapy” it is code for “I need a certified expert to give me better reasons to dump you.”
He’s done with this woman, because she is so disinterested in him that it’s too much work for her to dump him.. Better to proceed with the pain and get it over with.
The worst thing that could happen to him would be more years of lingering ambiguity, her deciding it’s time to settle, and then agreeing to marry him.
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Tell him to start looking for a new one, maybe the old girl will come back. But only if he doesn’t want her to.
Also, in proposing marriage as in court: never ask a question to which you don’t already know the answer.
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True.
Girls check out of relationships mentally before they do so physically and verbally.
Some red flags that I know:
She becomes cold and distant all of a sudden.
She looks at other men suggestively.
She’s mentions her exs more fondly in passing.
She accuses you of cheating.
She won’t do certain sexual acts with you anymore like accepting anal, rimming, or even giving bjs. (She’s saving that whore heart of hers for another man.)
Now, while some men will cringe at any of these situations happening to him, I’ll say it’s good to experience a huge disappointment. Personally experiencing a bad scenario with a girl will make you mentally tough.
Pain is necessary to develop thick skin in this game. If you don’t let these setbacks discourage you, you’ll be an ice cold player with bitches hanging onto you in no time.
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True.
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“She’s saving that whore heart of hers for another man.”
JB on a roll lately. Proper/madonna = not into you.
When she’s into you she’ll wear your dirty clothes, suck your sweaty dirty cock, fuck you standing up against the wall in the reptile room at the zoo with little kids around, flash you in the grocery store, meet you for car quickies at lunch… bascially everything she’ll do with her lover when she’s cheating on you. If you’re not her lover best believe she’s in search mode or worse.
The one proper thing she will do is not take a shit when you’re around. If she’s shitting you’re not winning.
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Married for one year. $20,000 deposit (10k from me, 5k from each sey of parents) and over 380k left on the house. She freaked out, needed “space”. I signed the paperwork over to her and her family. Took the TV, loungers and her dog. 4 years down the track I’m debt free, living in my own apartment, have had 2 promotions, focused and happy, and dozens added to my N-count. She is struggling to pay for the house and is renting it out whilst living with her parents, gaining weight and bitterness. She hates my happiness, my lifestyle, and won’t forgive me for taking her dog. Boohoo! Couldn’t be happier. This guy dodged a bullet.
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Ahhhh Heartiste, every sentence is solid gold truth.
Also realize that the time lag could very well be the time she is taking to scope out what other men are available to her and which of them shows potential interest. When swinging through the jungle of cocks, women will often only let go of one “branch” when the next one is close enough or has already been grasped.
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Men often swindle themselves by remaining naive (through willful ignorance of denial) about the true nature of women and about the true value that men have in society (we are disposable, particularly when our value falls below a given level).
On the other hand, the feminine societal imperative also acts to swindle men on a mass http://therationalmale.com/category/the-feminine-imperative/
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*or denial
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The Mate Value Scale
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188691400097X
summarised here:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201404/how-your-mate-value-affects-your-responses-infidelity
“Participants who were higher in mate value show increased levels of sex differentiated jealousy in response to an actual infidelity.”
Or in short;
The higher in mate value a man is, the higher his (negative) response to a woman’s sexual infidelity vs her emotional infidelity.
and
The higher in mate value a woman is, the higher her (negative) response to a man’s emotional infidelity vs his sexual infidelity.
This probably explains why manboobed feminists/white knights say a woman’s sexual history/infidelity/lack of chastity doesn’t mean anything.
Those men have low mate value, so they have less of a sex differentiated jealousy response.
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I suppose you could consider this a scientific explanation for why they hold their beliefs. Answer: They’re ugly.
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“She said it was because we fight all the time, we honestly haven’t had a single fight in 2+ years. . . . I know if you piss me off I’ll probably never even talk to you again.””
This reminds me of the Jenny and Leif Erikson story covered at Dalrock’s.
Every indicator from Jenny’s extensive on-line record of their marriage indicated Leif was a genuinely nice guy and caring, conscientious husband. But when she ambushed him with a frivorce bomb that ended their 10 year marriage, suddenly she was characterizing him as a mentally, emotionally abusive bully. Yet every example she gave of his supposed abuse towards her was petty and innocuous.
The scary thing – which I didn’t realize before the red pill, but I can see now looking back on my romantic history – is that when a girl decides to dump you, at least if you’re a ‘hello m’lady’ beta, she rewrites the history of your relationship in her memory. In her mind, she’s convinced she’s saving herself from the guy who now was a jerk to her all along. For me, just like the reddit guy, I’d hold out for a reunion because I remembered how good the two of us were together, while not suspecting that in her mind, I was already written off as abusive to her. Yeah, I did things to try to engineer reunions with girls that did not end well.
Awareness of this revisionist trait in girls sheds light on the common girl habit of complaining about having dated jerks that snares naïve, white-knight, nice guys. Most likely, these ‘jerks’ were also decent guys who she’s revised into jerks. It also calls into question the legitimacy of date rape culture (as opposed to clear cases of forced rape) and women’s testimony involving sex/romantic relationships in general.
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“The scary thing – which I didn’t realize before the red pill, but I can see now looking back on my romantic history – is that when a girl decides to dump you, at least if you’re a ‘hello m’lady’ beta, she rewrites the history of your relationship in her memory. In her mind, she’s convinced she’s saving herself from the guy who now was a jerk to her all along.”
I have been finding that the reverse is also true. A woman will also back-hamster to re-write her own understanding of an LTR if her boyfriend/husband grows an Alpha pair. This is where the hamster is very much your friend if you are, like myself, a recovering greater beta who has tightened up his game. Here’s an example of the Revisionist Alpha phenomenon at work.
My wife recently asked me “What I thought of her when I first met her?” I didn’t hesitate to say that my first thought when I met her was of banging her. Of course she liked this reply, but she laughingly doubted my words, and said she wanted to know, “What I really was thinking on that day.” At the time we met, I was in an LTR with another girl I was thinking of leaving soon any way. Now I was definitely a beta at that time, but from learning game since, what I now realize is that when I started chasing my eventual wife, I accidentally stumbled onto many alpha maneuvers which she misconstrued as inherently alpha. Of course I made many beta tells, also, but I am in the process now of whitewashing those away, not only through authentically tight game now, but also through nimble verbal suggestions about the past.
As we were looking back, I coached her like this: “Well one of the reasons you were into me was because I was already in a relationship. That kind of thing means a lot to women, they feel it’s proof that some other girl likes him, he must be valuable.” Straight up like that. She got a knowing look on her face without looking directly at me, and just nodded, then said, “Yeah, that’s so true.” Hahaha! I was able to spin a past relationship of mine, over which she showed jealousy at the time, as something very positive in her eyes, and even as an anchor for the ‘wisdom’ of her choosing me!
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Solid. Love the ahah! Moments and seeing baffled/bang me looks when women realize you get it.
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Off topic but what if your so busy with improving yourself and focused on your goals that you don’t even have time to game girls…..
I mean at some point you have to, or you’ll be alone your whole life…but does it ever happen that a girl just finds you instead of you actively focuisng on gaming and finding a girl and spinning plates idfk
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Chicks send IOI’s my way alla time–especially dancing. I’m improving my dancing, lifting weights, hiking, running, etc.
It should happen to you, too. Just notice them, have fun chatting with them, be playful. Have a fun, playful attitude alla time.
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The only response to a woman who needs space is “ok”.
Then go off the grid for a few months. They always make overtures to either contact you or get your attention. Then decide how you want to play it.
In the case of two previous ex gf’s they literally begged to come back and I ended up going on holidays with one and becoming great true friends.
With my crazy ex gf, there’s been tons of space devoted to my experiences in working through that suffice to say she did make some overtures to getting my attention. The whole thing was driving me up the wall so the only way to release steam and move on was to throw her a bone and dance with her.
Interestingly enough, the church girl I was seeing and then kind of got dumped by for being too aloof now wants to bang me.
When attempts to win my sympathy over some alleged cancer scare were met with “When are you bringing me that hot sauce from Mexico?” she started sending me hot selfies.
I need “space” is the female “soft-next”. Painful, but manageable if you treat it like a break up, disappear and then reappear looking cool, stoke the fires, then disappear thereby amping up the girl’s need for drama.
But then you have to ask yourself….is it really worth it? No.
Finding quality hot women is a challenge but I’m making huge inroads since I’m back…
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> “The only response to a woman who needs space is “ok”… Painful, but manageable if you treat it like a break up, disappear…”
Grit your teeth, suck it up, deal with the humiliation, suffer the pain, and disappear.
Turn around. Walk away. Do not look back.
Total radio silence.
The next tine she sees you – preferably within a week – you’re out about town with another smoking hawt piece of poontang dangling from your arm.
To hell with your ex. She had her chance, and she blew it.
Next.
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[…] If your girlfriend tells you she needs “space”, your relationship was over months earlier. You just got the memo late. “Space” is girlcode for “making space in my vagina for other cockas”. […]
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Bikini Barista Backlash: Scantily-Clad Coffee Servers Stir Up Controversy
Look at the women that are complaining. If they put that much effort into losing weight, they would be much happier.
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That barista should put some effort into losing weight.
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Well now we know that Amy is no more than a B-Cup.
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nah, all bangable.
tattoos are trashy tho.
when did “mom” start to equal “fat and ugly” though?
hey Zombie…..see what happens when you put a bun in the oven?
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bangsies… ltr: no / fwb: yes
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Question:
How common is it for an atheist to reject the red pill?
I had a face to face conversation with a guy who said he was an atheist; but when I began to reveal the true nature of the female he started to get upset and emotional.
Isn’t this a major contradiction?
If he is an atheist and an evolutionist why would he fight the logic that biology plays a role in culture?
I thought I made a new friend and handed him some Darwinian ammunition, but now he thinks Im the devil.
Have any of you experienced this?
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It’s extremely common, actually – most atheists are young liberal city-dwelling SWPL types. Atheist =/= rational in any sense, though they’d like to think they are. Most of the modern young atheists out there claim to care about science and rationality, but at the same time are hopelessly invested in the liberal cult of equalism. They believe in evolution, of course, unlike those stupid fundamentalist types; they just think it stopped 30,000 years ago, and that groups of humans haven’t evolved in any meaningful ways differently from other groups.
You gotta realize that a lot of atheists are atheists not because they took a serious look at the science and logic of it and reached a true conclusion; rather they wanted to run away from the rules and strictures of religion and live free from those difficult rules, sacrifices, and discipline that religion provides. Heck, the bible is full of hardcore patriarchal keep-your-bitch-in-line/women-are-fucking-evil wisdom. This is the bible that these atheists rejected.
They don’t want to hear the ugly truths about the world; that is why they reject religion and choose to live as atheists, where they can pretend everyone is equal, there are no differences between men and women. There is no ancient Wisdom or Truth to guide their ways; there is only whatever the newest *science* (much of which is “science”) tells them to keep them dumb, happy, and self-righteous.
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I am 34. I’ve been an atheist for 19 years unwavering. I have also been red pill for 6 years and am a conservative. Although I do believe America would be a better place if more people were christian.
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I should also add that I believe in traditional gender rolls. Evolution is the bases of atheism and its not hard to see how men and women evolved differently to compliment each other. All this women can do anything men can do is bullshit. It takes one honest look at the world to see men and women are each equipped to perform a specific function.
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Athiests aren’t that way because they have a deep-seated love for science and objective truth. Atheists, especially those who feel the need to inject in into conversation unbidden, do it for social-whore points. It’s a leftie club of insecurity they swing at all the inferior, narrow-minded conservatives. I have yet to meet an alpha atheist. Most often it goes hand-in-hand with anime and a warcraft subscription.
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Kneegro, please.
1. Atheism is a religion, with its own dogma. To claim “there is no God” is as faith-filled as “there IS a God, and he is X.” True people who are unsure about God claim they are agnostic. So you’re actually dealing with another member of a religion. Your mistake was thinking otherwise.
2. Atheists come to their religion in this country (and the West in general) through the Left. They reject God because the “evil Christians burn gay haters women’s rights.” etc. So, since his atheism is tied up in leftism, his dogma naturally includes the laughable feminist ideals. You might as well be trying to teach an Orthodox Jew that Moses did not exist.
3. Atheists always glom their morals off the dominant culture, instead of taking their “beliefs” to a logical end. As Vox Day has pointed out, Atheists in Islamic cultures always believe in Islamic ideals minus-God; atheists Jewsremain fiercely loyal to the tribe and pro-Jewish ideas; and atheists in Christian cultures will still argue for the 10 commandments and Hollywood Jesus-morality, just without the Jesus/God parts (Unitarians, anyone?). With the exception of a few, atheists are weak thinkers/followers who just want to be freed of certain obligations of religion. True Atheists realize they have to reconstruct morality aknew once they reject God; True Atheist is usually valid for a universe without a God, and often sharply contradicts the 10 commandments.
4. The Big Religions have always told the truth about women’s nature. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. have always denoted that women are different from men, women are less moral, women are less rational, women need a firm hand, etc. Those folks who study their own religions will see this; those who blindly accept “Hollywood Jesus” as dogma will think Jesus was some kind of ur-feminist, which he certainly was not. A serious religious scholar is much more likely to accept red pill truths about women, since his religion backs up such findings. Atheists in the West–again, raised by Hollywood Jesus and the dominant left-wing culture–will believe what their religions tell them; that women are equal to men in every way, and yet also better, so be a good beta and marry that old slutty cougar.
Atheist rape!
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All the time.
Both atheists and Pagans think they are rebels fighting the “system”, but the vast majority are just religious zealots of another kind, who worship passivity and laziness. They don’t think very deeply, for the most part, and live with the same blinders as the religious people they despise.
I’ve had some brutal arguments with both about gender roles and the difference between nice sounding ideals and what pans out in real life. Most of the time it seems like a waste of breath, but reality has a way of winning once someone’s awareness is expanded.
So don’t get discouraged. Expect some freak-outs and tantrums, take them in stride, and try not to alienate people who might need you later to hold their hands during their first steps out of the bubble.
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Here is some additional background on him which may explain his contradiction:
He told me:
1. He has been married for 30 years.
2. He only saw his dad twice growing up.
This leads me to suspect the following:
1. He doesn’t understand how women have changed in the 30 years he’s been married.
2. He was raised in a house full of females who produced a full time vaginal pep rally in his mind.
Also, I must add, since this is a black male, I must suspect part or all of his reluctance to admit the biological differences between men and women lead to cultural differences, is due to a fear many non white people have that “difference” has an assigned value to it, and that someone will be harmed if it is acknowledged.
This is what I noticed when I steered the discussion between males and females and whites and nonwhites.
To me he’s not really and atheist because he smuggles in “faith” and “belief” when ever he doesn’t want to try and prove something.
Other than that he is very smart which is how I ended up talking with him.
Should I break him?
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Break him, but gently. Since he has you cast as the spiritual guy, do it Obatala style through prophecies (that are really just good deduction). Point out an example, and tell the future if things continue that way, and let time do the rest.
When the truth unfolds, be utterly honest. Don’t allow him to get away with any denial or other psychological acrobatics. Keep your tone light, but the points laser sharp.
This is how I handle my (heh) nonbelieving friends. Dudes have to be less careful than women in these things usually, but when it comes to chiseling through cognitive dissonance, a delicate hand is the way to go. It’s too easy for people to freak out and then run away without really understanding.
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thanks for the pro tip Nicole.
Gently?
Hmmm… thats a tough one because all Im doing is knocking him off the fence; how he lands or which side is up to him.
I can’t really bomb a person who refuses to pick a side;
But I’ll strafe the shit out of them till they do.
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Thank the existence of testicles that he has a fence to ride on. It could be worse: he could be convinced that the feminist version of reality is true.
He comes from a time when “feminists” (who, aside of the leaders and college bra burners, were practical women who should have been more concerned about labor rights) did double duty: mothering/wifing PLUS working. They pulled their weight AND were backup providers, or primary providers if the man couldn’t or wouldn’t. Even if they rejected makeup and bras, they washed their asses and ate their yoghurt and jogged their miles.
Now? Well…
So it’ll be easy to update his view. You can sit with him and type “ratched” in Youtube.
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“Her heart gets the message long before you do.”
Not if you are paying attention. If she stops being interested in sexing you *when she is midcycle*, you know all you need to know.
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There’s a brisk business in selling positive pregnancy tests online as a wedding trap.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/05/07/seen-at-11-positive-pregnancy-tests-up-for-sale-online/
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SluttyMcVanderWhore
@SluttyMc_Whore
My husband just endearingly referred to my vagina as a slut-hole, then declared himself best husband ever, and walked away laughing. #truluv
CH is right again.
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when I hear about “Space” I think AM I THE FIRST?
“Why don’t they make chicken nuggets no more? How come no one wants to know what I saw? How come no one wants to know what I saw?”
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Off topic: Charles Barkley mocks San Antonio fatties. ” Victoria definitely a secret, they can’t wear no Victoria’s Secret down there … they wear big old bloomers …”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/07/charles-barkley-calls-all-the-women-on-san-antonio-fat-video/
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A woman behaving like a smiling corpse is a sign that she’s checked out, but I’m not sure most western men can handle the alternative. There’s too much “white light” ideology going around that pushes the idea that passivity, peace, and quiet is the best thing, and any conflict is the end of the world.
If she thinks they were always fighting, but he doesn’t, that’s telling me that somehow he put her in an emotional corner where she couldn’t express herself to him without wrapping everything with pretty bows or something. Still doesn’t justify her financially taking advantage of him, but it could explain her checking out.
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hell yea everything needs to be wrapped in pretty bow or gtfo
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But you make a woman *want* to wrap things in pretty bows because you make the effort of cutting through our shit first. You earn your satin and lace. 😉
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awww
he he he
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thwack
Question: [1] How common is it for an atheist to reject the red pill?
I had a face to face conversation with a guy who said he was an atheist; but when I began to reveal the true nature of the female he started to get upset and emotional. [2] Isn’t this a major contradiction?
[3] If he is an atheist and an evolutionist why would he fight the logic that biology plays a role in culture? [4] I thought I made a new friend and handed him some Darwinian ammunition, but now he thinks Im the devil. Have any of you experienced this?
Questions really. Okay i’ll tale them one by one.
[1] Atheists are really just hardcore Universalists. [2] It’s not a contradiction at all because most Atheists, especially the militant Atheists, are simply adversaries of the concept of God(s). It means that judgement and discrimination are alien to them.
[3] I’m not sure what an ‘evolutionist’ is. One doesn’t believe in a theory if one understands it. It requires no act of faith. However, a lot of people say their agree with evolution and Darwin’s basic idea that organisms speciate yet still magically believe that 6 billion humans are not separating out according to region, underlying adaption, and mutation just as every other organism in the record. Most tenured evolutionary biologists are firm believers in the “Equality of Man”, firm believers in this thing called the “Human Mind” a universal ontological shared resource that we all have access to.
[4] what is ‘Darwinian Ammunition’? If this fellow is an Atheist he doesn’t believe in a metaphysical source of evil. He shouldn’t even begin to think that evil exists. It’s just a mechanical universe.
Darwin observed that all organisms have the potential to be the founding stock of a new species (bottlenecks, mutation etc). He seems to have thought that race exists and is a critically important element of culture, to paraphrase Darwin on such matters i’d say that “Culture is a Racial construct”. In a more neutral turn of phrase “Culture is a Biological construct.”
‘Sex’ is a Biological construct along with ‘Masculinity’ and ‘Femininity’. He might then dismiss you as an essentialist, that you are over generalizing. Then you can point out that Plato and Socrates were essentialists. Then he’s fucking lost his argument. An Atheist against Darwin, Plato and Socrates isn’t much of an Atheist and he should get himself to church pronto.
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Of course evil exists. Hooved animals were put here for one purpose only: to be food. And when they are caught by the lion or cheetah, they don’t die right away. Rather, they are eaten alive in excruciating pain and terror for about 45 minutes.
That is evil.
Doesn’t matter the cause of why any of us are here.
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Why do bad things happen to good people? Why do cute bunnies get pulped?
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Atheism & feminism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUPxRYWpglQ
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sort of OT but related:
now they’re buying other wimminz positive pregnancy tests to hook a manz…
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/05/07/seen-at-11-positive-pregnancy-tests-up-for-sale-online/
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lolz That is just so evil! I admire the duplicity!
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@Reco: Haha! 26YOCocky HB9 sounds just like my 4-year-old daughter when she has a tantrum for not getting her way.
Did you go to far? Ha! You’re the oak tree now. Let them worry about what they did wrong.
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Teens use NFL draft like system to choose prom dates. Feminists outraged; news at 11 http://feministing.com/2014/05/07/boys-at-california-highschool-using-nfl-stye-draft-to-choose-prom-dates/
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“One father whose daughter goes to another school in the area said, “Now your daughter is a commodity, she’s no longer a person anymore…”
Ha ha ha. Women have always been things.
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would they rather be farm equipment?
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confidence : hope
alpha : beta
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“hey Zombie…..see what happens when you put a bun in the oven?”
4 buns, 5 lbs over the starting weight.
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my chick who left in jail till her courtdate at end of month hey maybe she will get off the shit and be able to go
she knew she was goin to jail if she didn’t pay fines she had loot to do it didn’t
wtf does that mean other than she wanted to go be a first for her for long time
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What do average women look like nation by nation:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2435688/The-average-woman-revealed-Study-blends-thousands-faces-worlds-women-look-like.html
The American is negrified. Damned Averages! Lol
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so much religious butthurt on here.
atheism just means without faith. you’d be a fool to believe in any sort of higher power than yourself.
forget who thinks it. forget about the appearance of fedoras and liberal faggots. stop using female tactics to silence cold hard objective truth.
it doesn’t matter if it benefits society or if it destroys society – think truth and seek truth.
trust no one who claims to have the answers to all this insanity.
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Triangulate on this poster.
Hasbarat stylings abound in this one.
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dam space really is lonely when you used to havin a bitch beside ya all the time
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Thanks to YaReally and CH for the learning here.
I woke up this morning with a 6 (formerly a 7 but needs to lose 15 pounds) in my bed. She’s a friend from college who flew here to visit me. Two mornings ago I woke up with the 22yo HB10 in my bed. She wanted to come over last night too but I had the 6 from college last night. Sunday night is the HB10 again and then Monday night is going to be the 6 again.
So this is the first time since my 20s that I have banged two different women in a span of 4 days.
Also I’m tired as fuck here at work. I do have to say I think it is legit that I simply CANNOT do a YaReally lifestyle even if I had the skills. YaReally you admit you have a fat belly right? I admit….having energy for my work and getting to the gym are priorities for me, along with playing guitar and being with my kids.
But if I can be 10% as good as YaReally that’s still better than I was a year ago.
I have at least reached the point where I can recognize shit tests and I get what’s going on and I find these “silly girls” ‘s predictable reactions amusing. It really is like a script.
Another blue pill problem I still have is wanting to be “in love” with the girl. I really don’t enjoy banging someone I don’t have feelings for nearly as much as when I was “in love” with past LTRs.
How do I get to the point of just enjoying sex just for the fruck of it? (I mean I’m high T and I’m no homo, but yeah, like, I’m kind of shy, not good at throwing her against the wall as soon as we get in the apartment…. like my blue pill hangover is remember “how it was” when my last LTR and I were in love, which we were, “how it used to be.” IN other words, in short, the sex has not been so great even though I should be happy to wake up with 2 different nonobese, pretty women in a span of 4 days in my bed.
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that’s been the way I am if I don’t got feelings for a chick then yea it ain’t shit fucking em
keep going ull find one you click with and get to have that high and shit off the love stuff
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If someone broke up with you and need some space…that means he/she needs time to meet another men or girls and if he/she didn’t find better he/she will comeback to you, “you’ll be a back up” so better don’t expect and try to move on that would be unfair to you if you’ll wait. If someone love you he/she will just ask for “space” or “cool off” and not “break”.
It’s painful if someone dumped you and asks for space but try to be responsible with yourself and be tough because if you were good to her/him he/she will regrets. Yes! There are many men/women outthere but if you are looking for the right one like the one you dumped not easy. So before you ask for some space or break you have to be smart thinking about it.
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Poor sap my ass.
I don’t feel least bit empathetic towards this jackass that walked out of the house.
GUYS … MAN UP AND KICK THE FUCKING BITCH TO THE CURB … MAKE WAY FOR NEW PUSSY.
The moment you leave the perimeter … you lose. Keep your cool and tell her to leave. Otherwise get the cops over.
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God, I’m behind the curve; this thread took forever to get through, but I would like to call out and nominate for addition to the Chateau Lexicon the following phrases:
“Alpha fatigue” (courtesy of Having A Bad Day)
“Back-hamster” (c. Edward Waverly)
“Vaginal Pep Rally” (lmao thwack)
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