RooshV writes,
I went out with my friend on a Friday night, ready to put in work, and this is what I was greeted with instead in multiple bars:
what we have here… is an unfavorable ratio
Severely skewed sex ratios will affect your game. If a bar is 80% men-20% women, that means on average each woman got ego-fluffed by three men before you approached her. You are therefore attempting to open a line of loving communication with a female ego four times as large as it would be in a normal state of nature. That’s an uphill battle, folks. Throw in the expanding and waddling mass of fat chicks, and that 4-to-1 ego-fluffing ratio could jump as high as 8-to-1.
This is why night game is dying. The ratios suck. Either men are restricting their pussy trawling to the night alone, or women are abandoning night venues in droves. Add the demographic cratering of marriage leaving too many single men who lack the creativity and balls to day game descending on bars like migrating wildebeests to watering holes and you’ve got what you see above. Weekend day game, (or weeknight evening game), if nothing else, has the powerful advantage of a sex ratio that more closely aligns with a natural 50-50 split.
On Saturday night I was called the following by four women:
-shady (girl 1)
-douchebag (girl 2)
-creep (girl 2)
-disrespectful (girl 3, girl 4)
-asshole (girl 3)
-dick (girl 4)
-weird (girl 2)
-“I don’t like you” (girl 2)One girl from the above gave me her number and the other took me to her place.
What a bizarro world for girls to call you names but actually like you.
Despite the horrible ratios, night game still retains one benefit that’s hard to acquire in day game: In nighttime venues, girls respond better to jerkboy charisma, and your odds of closing the deal in the same window of time that you opened the deal are higher. In contrast, it’s advantageous to soft-shoe your jerkitude and cloak your message when you meet girls under the harsh glare of sunlight. But at least you’re not hobbled by beer goggles, dim lighting, or Michelin Woman egos. You can be confident that the girl you meet during the day will look almost as pretty the next morning.
For women, the nightclub game is a loser. They can find willing and adequate males anywhere, which is their minimum standard. Most have figured they’re happier with a single FWB who’s clean ( = no horrible condoms ) than a series of crash test dummies.
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Yes, and if you ask women, they go to the bar to “have fun with their friends”. And “talk to people” (i.e. have their egos stroked. Which they turn into “Everybody is so nice here!”) There is picking up done anyway, but as CH says, it’s slim pickings.
You gotta be creative, find different venues. Don’t get stuck in the same tracks. Might be difficult to come up with good alternatives, but when you do you get much better ratios, and more interesting experiences.
Here’s a funny video, hot girl’s night at the club:
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Guys, keep this perspective in mind. Empathy!
When it’s like that, I turn around and walk out. I don’t want to make it even worse for the guys who do want to get something out of such a ridiculous situation.
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Country bars. Dance Instructor Game.
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> “[women are] happier with a single FWB who’s clean”
AKA what the old timers used to call “a husband”.
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Country bars are good – going for the same niche makes people feel closer. Dance instructor game also, these are good suggestions. I do something similar. To be in a teaching position – not in school but in free-time activities – is to be a situational alpha if you do it right. Gives you new people to talk to all the time. Just don’t make it look like you are exploiting your position.
Dancing: Women love it, find it erotic with plausible denial, and it gives you kino as an ice breaker. Move away from the clubs playing the latest Katy Perry and go for dance classes. There are usually more women than men there. There are also other niches, you just have to find them.
Gym game though: mixed notes there. Some say go for it, others say no. I’d say, if you find the right opportunity.
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Country Music Game works because you are interacting with RED STATE chicks who still have some basic human warmth and kindness and decency in their hearts.
But don’t pump and dump those poor girls and start them down the path towards having all that Goodness in them being overwhelmed by The Darkness.
There is a special place in hell for a Playah who breaks the soul of a nice girl from a good family.
And if it were my daughter, then me and my 12-gauge would send you there.
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night game….its not that easy, to much comp….simple day game explained…
me walkin a shop where i no the checkout girls havs to offer to pack ya stuff..(ps actually buyin sausage helps )…any way me walk up to check out..
girl, she says “would you like some help packin ya stuff”…me says, aye as long as ya daint squash me sausage….girl blushes …..works every time …daygame…(geordie style)… in a nutshell …
also helps if you go in shop first and scope the till girls contantly lookin up and around …these are the ones who are bored with there shitty life of style…
if any thing i post on here helps one man get laid ….so be it
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lzozozoozzl hey heratietstetz!! heherartaietetztztzt!! klzzlz
nite gamezz be dying because all d ahooties hottiesz is heaidng over 2 da GBFM’z around 11 pmz midnightz leaving ROOSOSH ROOOSHZ with all da dongz and shcolonzg zlzooozozolz sausage partyzzyiye yo:
3 EZ STEPZ: How 2 Handle FLakesz and Flakey Flakerz in da ERA of da TEXT MESSAGE attention whorez zlzlzozozz
dis is from hearteites blog on FLAKEY FLAKE ERA WE LIVEZ IN where everyone flakes zlzozozoozoz while da gbfm sits at home and waits for da chcix who cflaked flaked on your asssss lzozozzolzolzol:::
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/the-age-of-flakes/#comment-38162
how 2 counter da flakey flakesz in THREE EZ STEPZ
1. 9 PM: da gbfm sends out a mass text 2 all my ladies:
“lotsa cocksa 4 u lzozlzlz.”
da gbfm then gets back dozens of messages:
lol
wtf
ok
haha
???
kewl
wat?
2. da gbfm waits and hour and sends out to everyone again:
10 PM: “srry wrng #”
da gbfm then gets back lotsa texts
awwww
lol
too bad
u got my hopes up
damn you
ur loss
3. da gbfm then waits ’til midnight and texts to everyone:
12 Midnightz: my place 30 min.
den da gbfm sits back and watches the parade arriving on his door camera monitor while he watches da espn highlights and reads homer’s odyssey. ding-dog ding-dong they ring da gbfm bell one by one hoping to touch da gbfm’s ding-dong zlzozozzozololzollzo but if they are under an 8 da gbfm just ignorez & reads his boookz zlzozoolzz
at 1 am a hot hottie shows up and da gbfm hits the buzzer and lets her up.
da gbfm saves lotsas times and money while the betas liquor her up at the bars and da gbfm gets to hang out with homer instaead of goldidggers and douchetard boobie-men manboobz at all the clubs these days lzlzllzlzl
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do nottry this on your own as da GBFM needz you out there buying them drinkz all night and getting them dinnerz as i don’t want no hos eating my puizzaaa and heinekinz beerz!!!! we all have our part in this so please please respect yo!!!!! lzozolzolozzzz
lzlozolz
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“nite gamezz be dying because all da fattiezz is heaidng over 2 da GBFM’z around 11 pmz midnightz “
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yah ur mom and sistaz show up every nightz but da GBFM ignbroez demz and dey go hook up with matt king who happened 2 father u lzlozlzlzo PWN3DZ!!!!! zlzozozlzzo
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Nah, man, the one you thought was my sister was my trannie brother, dude. Sorry bout that. And mom passed away a few years ago–might be one of my fattie orbiters you fakked who calls herself my “mom.” heh
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i didn’t fakk dem dudez
i turnded dem away whoever teh fuck they wer as they were buttugly as your deadz momz rottingz cararzczaszz.
da gbfm is lostas cockasz not lostas carakckcasas!
zlzozozlz
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hey herateietstez heartsietetz!!!
da bartenderz big white arm countz as 5.5 ameircan chcihacksz laywersz so dat evenz da playing fieldz a bit zlzlzozozoolzoz
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URGENT!
SCIENCE!!!
You really can be nagged to death!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2623873/You-really-nagged-death-Excessive-demands-partners-double-risk-dying-middle-age.html
Dr Rikke Lund and colleagues from the University of Copenhagen followed 9875 Danish men and women aged 36 to 52 for 11 years…
Over the 11 year period 196 of the adults died – causes ranged from heart disease, cancer, liver disease from alcohol abuse and suicide…
Men who said they faced ‘many’ demands from their partner or family and friends were MORE THAN TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE compared to women in the same category who were 34 per cent more likely to die…
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Spread the word – TESTOSTERONE SAVES LIVES!!!
Game your marriage.
Game your wife.
Game your princess Barbie-Doll daughters.
Teach your sons to man up.
Live longer.
Live happier.
Live better.
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Brett Stevens
For women, the nightclub game is a loser. They can find willing and adequate males anywhere
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That can/will dance?
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I wonder how much of the recent downturn is related to the hysteria over sex assaults. Typical sheep response: it’s in the news, so it’s a problem RIGHT NOW, so let’s duck out on it for a few months until the threat has passed.
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Regarding the news: women and girls are being kidnapped and sold into slavery by Boko Haram in northeastern Nigeria, so OMG it’s not safe for a woman to go to a bar at night Des Moines!
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Picture of Michelle Obama holding up a paper sign in the White House, demanding that the girls be saved. “#BringBackOurGirls” So trendy! So new media!
I much prefer the photoshopped picture, where Moobama’s sign says, “My husband has killed more young girls than Boko Haram ever could.” Barack tripled the drone attacks on the Afghan-Pakistan border; reporters on the ground testify about massive civilian killings. Lots of little girls and boys dying. No one ever prosecuted or losing his job over this. Remember that next time the Left pretends to care about trendy Nigerian victims.
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“#BringBackOurGirls”
Punch back twice as hard:
#BareBackYourGirls
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“FIRE – Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate.
Along with a handful of competitors for the title [abortionists, lawyers, hollyweird media moguls, university professors], FIRE people are the lowliest scum on the face of the earth.”
Though I am stating the glaringly obvious, the FIRE sector surely tends to attract the money hungry psychopathic element, particularly in Finance (Banking) and Real Estate.
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#BringBackBarrysBalls
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That’s one of the biggest media tools, where to put the spotlight. They could make anything a crisis. For example, there are 1,700 Americans who claim they have been abducted by aliens. If the media wanted to, they could create mass hysteria about this, bring up a couple of cases each week. Pick the ones that can act the least nutty before the cameras. The number of “abducted” would soon climb to six figures.
Some sociologists in 1991 polled 6,000 people and found that 119 answered in a way that they “interpreted as supporting” their “interpretation of the abduction phenomenon”. Extrapolating, they concluded that 3.7 million Americans had been abducted by aliens. If the media wanted to, they could run with this. You wouldn’t be allowed to speak against it because “You would be questioning victims”. Anything can be made a crisis.
(Funny how alien sightings skyrocketed after E.T. and Close Encounters. And suddenly all alien sightings started to look like the aliens in those two moves.)
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Sounds like the speech lockdown following Sandy Hook. And I live less than an hour from Sandy Hook, have driven practically right past the place on I-84 many times.
BTW (drifting off topic but this is important realtalk) I got a blast email from William Raveis real estate, a local firm, saying that their agent Sandy Previdi had lost her dear daughter Caroline in the event. It was probably this letter:
http://blog.raveis.com/2012/12/17/in-loving-memory-sandy-hook-elementary-education-fund/
Turns out that Sandy Previdi had no listings, no sales, and apparently no other history with the firm, even though the letter doesn’t say she’s a new broker. If she ever existed before that date. There are rumors that people changed names.
There is now an agent there named Sandy Previdi. She has a few listings and one sale listed which occurred months after Sandy Hook.
http://www.raveis.com/agentprofile.asp?AGENT=8791&AGT=8791&SITE=agt
It would be hard to construct fictitious earlier sales, if they didn’t exist, because agents at the closing have their names on official records of real estate transfers.
I assume this will end up in moderation because of the links and length, and I don’t mind at all if CH decides not to post it or pull it down.
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FIRE – Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate.
Along with a handful of competitors for the title [abortionists, lawyers, hollyweird media moguls, university professors], FIRE people are the lowliest scum on the face of the earth.
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According to The Art and Science of Dumpster Diving, food scares are a great time to hit the dumpsters as massive amounts of perfectly good food will be tossed out.
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I can’t speak to the other names, but if I get called “asshole” or “jerk” I know I’m getting laid. That’s the sort of thing that led me to stop caring about the words women use and start caring about how they’re behaving. Jerk and Asshole is usually coupled with eyes, smiles, and an open presentation. Jerky asshole. Say things to entertain myself. Make them work in my frame.
But the first part of the above: I like spending time with Men (not males or guys or dudes or manboys) more than I like spending time with women. Because I enjoy conversations that have a higher purpose other than just getting laid. Women can’t (in general) think at that level, and will take any attempt to bring them up to that level as an attack. Because women have fragile egos and are naturally defensive. They need to make every individual conversation about themselves personally, and normally find it impossible to abstract and discuss something that does not and will never affect any part of their lives.
So, I like the idea of going to a bar with only (straight) men in it. It sounds relaxing.
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It depends. Chicks seem to flock to bars with live bands in them still. So check your hunting grounds for live bands, problem solved. “Contests” and other events can draw them in, in higher numbers, as well (for example, triva night, or karaoke, or whatever). Walking in at 6pm into a regular bar with no band and not actual activity/entertainment though, yeah, but what did you expect?
@greginaurora
Absolutely agree, it’s cool to hang out and talk shop/hobbies/whatever with men once in a while without inane female chatter or men sniffing at pussy all the time.
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i agree, there are a lot of venues that are still decent. and i have to reiterate again that i think right now the opportunities for people with actual jobs (older guys mostly) are pure gold right now. there are guys everywhere, but these guys aren’t running game, they really have seemingly stopped even making the attempt.
maybe it’s geographically limited to where i’m at, but vegas was (aside from demographic toiletness) a lot easier than in the past too.
there are opportunities everywhere, all the time
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Most game talk here is about bars/clubs. I never had success at those places. House parties or cashiers or apartment neighbors are a few examples of where/how I would pick up chics. Also, it is great fun to talk to like minded gentlemen which seems to lead to the house party scenario I mentioned. One less guy to muck up the bar scene. I expect a degree of appreciation.hah. Cheers.
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lol no, the problem is Roosh looks like a homeless person and is too much of a loner to have access to the places where the abundance of hot girls are.
5:00:
(paraphrasing): “First of all I have to deal with even getting IN the club. This is LA. I never see most of YOU in the clubs I go to. Because most of you can’t get in. Most of you guys go to “general audience” clubs, don’t you. And then you wonder why in a city like LA there’s not a lot of hot women. That’s ’cause all the hot women are where *I* am. ’cause you don’t go to the good clubs.
To get into the good clubs, you have to deal with bullshit. You either pay $2000 for a bottle, or you’re incredibly good looking and fashionable, or you have a group of highly attractive women who will roll into the venue WITH you and even THEN the bouncer will make you go in last and wait like a fucking dog while the girls go in first.”
Roosh is going to shitty bars, like all the other sausages, because he prefers to be a loner instead of building/maintaining social circles that gain him access to the bars with women.
“Either men are restricting their pussy trawling to the night alone, or women are abandoning night venues in droves.”
The men are going to shitty general access bars, and the women are being literally offered TONS of free shit by promoters and all their socially connected Facebook/Twitter/etc. friends to throw on a slutty dress and go to the better clubs. The girls benefit because they’re getting free drinks, free access, skipping lines, bottle service, etc. and the club benefits because it’s full of hot girls which draws in men who spend money. But the men have to pay to get in there and party there because they’re men.
The way around this is through socializing and offering value and befriending people instead of just being a little value-taking troll lurking in the shadows with a buddy trying to pop out and snipe a girl.
I just moved to a new city so I lost all my access to a handful of high-end clubs that were crammed with gorgeous women. I have to start over from scratch, and it’ll take me most of the summer, but by winter I’ll be rolling into bars with 3:1 ratios of girls:guys, without paying…just by building connections and bringing value and good emotions when I go out.
This is the equivalent of saying “I choose to live in the ghetto, why are there all these poor people around???” lol
Nightgame isn’t dying. It’s just shoving in guys’ faces how limited their anti-social value-taking game is. 😛
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Fucking nailed it on the head.
Don’t try to lower the rim on the basketball hoop….
Learn to jump higher instead!!!
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You talk like a retard.
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it’s a good point. girls aren’t going to quit going out. they’re just elsewhere. i mean if you know women you know they _have_to_ dress up and go dancing at night. i’m not in any high end clubs where i’m at, but there are plenty of women around regardless.
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Agreed. I lolled at the article title. There are plenty of girls out every night to talk to.
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“If I say something, it means that it is true, because I said it.”
I think this is called proof by assertion.
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“But the men have to pay to get in there and party there because they’re men.”
Supplication game sounds awesome. Paying to look at women on their turf while they drink your $2,000 bottle of vodka is as alpha as it gets.
Adding value = low T.
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You sound like you have a shitty social life. Stop worrying about STDs bro, you’re unlikely to get one anytime soon!
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That’s why you don’t play that game. You get in there by socializing and bringing value to the staff and befriending high-value people and women who GO to those venues and build your value there by bringing people good emotions instead of paying.
My buddies and I used to just lol at the guys paying $1000 for a bottle of Goose in their little VIP area while we’re walking in wearing sneakers with the same access to girls those guys paying thru the nose have.
If you don’t learn to enjoy socializing and bringing value to people you meet, then yes, you will be hanging out at “Jimmy’s Tavern – $3.50 pints of Bud tonight!!” with all the other sausages.
Like guys should seriously ask themselves why would a smokin hot girl go to Jimmy’s Tavern? It’s all loser dudes who aren’t high-value enough to get into the better venues. Half the time they have to buy their own drinks ’cause guys are too chickenshit to approach them if they’re hot since the guys hanging out there don’t feel confident enough that they’d deserve a hot girl so they talk themselves out of approaching. The ones who do approach don’t buy them drinks because guys who approach have learned not to buy girls drinks. They have to deal with a dozen annoying losers who won’t leave them alone so the one hot high-value guy in the bar can approach them…it’s like you going to a bar full of fat chicks where there’s one hot chick and the fat chicks won’t leave you alone. They get invited to go there by their loser social circle guys who dress like shit and have been orbiting them for a year as those guys go “so uhh you wanna all go to Jimmy’s Tavern or somethin? it’s cheap drinks night…I like the wings there…durrrr”
Their other option is Promoter McDouchebag met their friends last week and offered them free limo service and free entry and a bottle of Goose and messaged them all on Facebook that week for the “huge DJ show this week at LosersCan’tGetInThisClub, be there before 11 or miss out on the biggest show of the year!!” and their girls are all getting dressed up and getting their hair done and getting psyched up to party in a venue where the guys there are generally high value because they either paid to get in there so they’re rich or they’re good looking or social enough to get let in or they’re just well-connected in general. They get to wear their best outfit and ride in a limo and they get to pass the line and lol at the girls at other bars who WISH they were as hot as they are lolol suck it bitchessssss!!
All that happened to “night game” is that the interconnected social networks the abundance of social media has created, has separated the gap between the schlubs and the in-crowd. If you’re trapped as a schlub, either step your game up and become one of the in-crowd or enjoy fighting over scraps and writing whiny blog posts lol
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It’s not supplication if you’re not the one paying. Dumbass.
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> “Promoter McDouchebag”
The problem is that Promoter McDouchebag’s real name is going to be something like “Adelson”:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-04-09.html
And if that’s what I have to do to get the fine trim, then count me out.
I’ll fuck the ugly chicks chez Jimmy’s Tavern, thank you very much.
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“It’s not supplication if you’re not the one paying.”
You are definitely supplicating and just because you don’t hand over the cover charge doesn’t mean you’re not paying.
1. Pussy on the pedestal. Unless you think club music is spiritually fulfilling and “rich doctor lawyer ripped abs suit wearing chodes with their drink up by their chest looking at a girl they wish they could say “hi” to” are intellectually stimulating company then you are devoting a good chunk of your free time to chasing pussy in an enviornment where the only draw is pussy. When pussy alters your natural behavior you are supplicating.
2. You don’t own the club. In order to get in for free you must be famous or in the case of “value adders” supplicate because the business model of a “best” club cannot allow more than a very small group of select men/players to get in free and scoop up all the HBs from the guys who keep the doors open by paying for bottle service. It’s not a charity. It’s a for profit business. If you think that the “conversation we’re having about MMA/weightlifting/drunk people/whatever his other job is/etc.” is going to get you in for free then you are smokin’ some serious headstash. You will have to put in a lot of time, months, of figuring out the “right” people and shove your nose up their asses and unless you are a harem master you will have to supplicate to at least a few HBs in order to get them to accompany you. This will probably cost money and at the very least more time/energy. Now, maybe you’re so fucking charming that people of both sexes swoon every time you enter the room and can’t stand the thought of the night going on without you. If this is you congrats, you are one of history’s most exceptional people but unfortunately your game wisdom doesn’t do most guys here much good. When you target and befriend certain individuals for the purpose of gaining access to pussy you are supplicating. This kind of social climbing is very very close to the type of games women play. Someone else has decided what’s popular/cool and you are following the herd and doing whatever’s necessary to get in. Again congrats. I hope the pussy is worth it.
3. You must meet superficial criteria set by others. Unless you truly enjoy buying into the latest fads and trends as dictated by gay men/crusty cunts in the fashion/adverstising fields then you are supplicating. If you think a shirt you bought off the rack in some zombie consumer mega mall makes you a better man then these kinds of places that are designed for women are exactly where you belong.
4. By definition there can be only one alpha in the room. If you’re working this hard, it’s not you.
5. HBs don’t live in the club. Actually they spend most of their time out of it. You can meet them in all kinds of places. Places that don’t cost you nearly as much time/money/energy. Some have been mentioned in the comments already. One has to wonder if your social skills/game are so incredible why not just catch them where you find them instead of needing to have them corralled into one spot. Kind of like the guys who pay to have the lion released right in front of them so they can shoot it. Some serious hunting skill on display there.
Some guys are content to exist in a world defined by others. They’re called supplicating betas. Take their advice at your own risk.
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@skank
I mean, ok…I don’t really disagree with you. But by your logic simply wanting to do what it takes to land quality (looks) women is supplication.
If that’s so wrong why not offer us your alternative, instead of smugly berating us from the cheap seats. I’d love to be a bad ass James Bond lone wolf pussy hound that takes whatever he wants and never has to deal with others wants, needs, and insecurities. In fact I’m working on it right now lol. So spread the wealth a little.
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“I’d love to be a bad ass James Bond lone wolf pussy hound that takes whatever he wants and never has to deal with others wants, needs, and insecurities.”
Fuck yeah. CH has laid out a detailed plan of attack. Everything we need is right here.
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‘Someone else has decided what’s popular/cool and you are following the herd and doing whatever’s necessary to get in. Again congrats. I hope the pussy is worth it.’
Ya. Nature. Nature gave me a dick and balls and had them both tell me to try and fuck hot chicks.
lol ‘bro why are you supplicating to your dick and balls? how can you even be a fucking man? you gonna let them decide what’s popular?’
Nah I’m just giving you shit. I see what you’re saying, but the only answer is that if you want to break free of all of that….you have two options — put your ego aside and accept that you aren’t the biggest kid on the block, yet, which means you WILL HAVE TO play the game to get what you want. And if you get good enough, one day it will become easier and you will be able to set some of your own rules etc. etc. Or you can just walk away altogether and settle down with that nice 5.
Humans are social. Social groups have hierarchies. Alphas climb to the top. They don’t just appear there. They win battle after battle after small battle.
If you want to be James Bond, take a look at a James Bond movie. James Bond does walk up and act like a loner badass. THEN HE PROCEEDS TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ENTIRE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE’S GROUP. Even JB realizes the importance of group dynamics. So unless you are just so tight that you can walk up to a club and DHV so fucking hard that everyone starts sucking your dick…….why not just say ‘I gotta start at square 1?’
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“put your ego aside and accept that you aren’t the biggest kid on the block, yet, which means you WILL HAVE TO play the game to get what you want. And if you get good enough, one day it will become easier and you will be able to set some of your own rules etc. etc.”
Nicely said.
Skank you’re a cool guy, I don’t want to ride you, but sometimes our egos fuck us over and compel us to close the door on opportunities that are well within our grasp. Actually, I think it is more of an emotional reaction: “Ah fuck that, why should I have to behave like that or take myself down a peg to get what I want!?”
I don’t know, sometimes you just have to take a breath, live in the moment, rid yourself of the anxiety and the over-thinking and just BE. I think its easier for me to emotionally distance myself from everything because I grew up as an outcast, very few friends, nobody to talk to. Shit, my own mother pretty much ignored me until the day she killed herself last year. I had to teach myself to be strong. Now I can walk into a venue and approach and get totally rejected and blown out, but I’ll not give a single fuck and do it again the next day. I never once feel like I’m supplicating, I’m just trying to make the best of my situation and work with what I got.
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@ having a bad day
“bullshit! that’s blue pill all the way…
“if i can do it, you (or anybody else) can do it…this is just your excuse to stay in your comfort zone. (or you’re really a feminist troll…lol…) i was an aspergy beta that was so shy i walked around high school looking at the tops of my shoes…it’s painful to even think about it now…lol…but i own that shit cause that’s what happened…”
Why are “blue pill” and “beta” and “omega” pulled out so quickly to strike people down? Think about what the words mean before you use them as a short-hand for “guy who says something I don’t like”. He is obviously not “blue pill”. Blue pill means to believe the egalitarian crap, that everyone is beautiful, everyone is equally desirable, women are the same as men, men are oppressors, etc. That is NOTHING like what he writes.
He very truthfully writes that most people don’t have those logistics. I know this is true. I have lived in a small town. I now live in a big town close to campus. The difference is enormous. It’s two different worlds. Now moving to a small town again would be like death to me.
He says most people can never learn top game. This is the uncomfortable secret “PUA gurus” will never tell the guys whose money they take. But – LaidNYC has said the same thing. Is LaidNYC blue pill, a feminist troll? LaidNYC, when he was active, was one of the best manosphere bloggers, and his posts are STILL quoted today.
No, most guys can’t learn top game, because men are not equal. Those who believe that “anyone can be a PUA” believe in egalitarianism. Same as blue pillers, just one step removed. Or more likely, they don’t really believe it – they are keyboard jockeys who simply want to claim that game is ridiculously easy for them, so much so that they “can’t understand how anyone can have trouble with this!”
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@Arbiter
@Arbiter
“He says most people can never learn top game. This is the uncomfortable secret “PUA gurus” will never tell the guys whose money they take.”
Anyone can do it.
Some people would have to work harder at it than others. Some people would have to work a LOT harder at it. But anyone can DO it. It’s not asking someone to lift a building over their head, it’s just learning to chat and socialize and manage your personal energy levels and mindsets. There’s nothing stopping anyone from becoming amazing at it. “if you go out and approach people and socialize and properly study what you’re doing and practice getting better at it, you will get better at it”. Nothing changes that.
Maybe it takes some hardcase 15 YEARS of hitting it hard to get there, or maybe some slack-ass dicks around and half-asses it for 15 years and gets nowhere, maybe someone has to move from their shitty little podunk town to a bigger city with better logistics, maybe someone decides they don’t have enough time in their schedule to go have a few conversations a week, but it’s still completely do-able if they approach it properly and dedicate themselves to getting it handled. There is nothing physically stopping people from saying words or looking people in the eye or listening to what people say lol Hell, there was a deaf PUA in the community who would take a pen and paper out to the bars to hit on girls.
That’s like saying “oh, that exercise stuff might work for the top 1%, but not EVERYONE can get in shape by working out. It’s impossible for some people to get a 6-pack or to be able to jog up a flight of stairs or lose 10lbs”. No, it’s not impossible. It might be harder for some than others, there might be a lot more emotional/mental baggage to overcome, it might be more difficult if you’re starting from being a 500lbs sloth but there’s nothing that changes the formula “if you exercise, you will get in better shape” or “if you lose enough fat, you will have a 6-pack” or “if you burn more calories than you consume you will lose weight”.
“No, most guys can’t learn top game, because men are not equal.”
Tyler from RSD is like the definitive hardcase for game. Dude had absolutely nothing going for him and everything working against him, but he put in the hours and work and now he can go into a bar and slay it. If anyone shouldn’t have been able to do it, it’s him.
The only thing that isn’t equal is how many bullshit excuses guys make to avoid putting in work. It’s like saying “not everyone can be a rich CEO of a company because not all men are equal”. No, that’s bullshit, if you put in the work and want it bad enough you can do it, there are tons of success stories of people pulling themselves out of a shithole into success.
But it’s a LOT easier to just make excuses and go “oh I’m not capable of that, some guys have it some don’t, that makes me feel better about my choice to live a mediocre life…now where’s the TV remote, I have to cheer for my team of athletes taking action and chasing their dreams and then talk shit about them when they miss a shot while I flip between reality TV shows and scarf down some more potato chips on this couch. Sure wish I was created equal to those athletes, but only some guys can do that stuff.”
“so much so that they “can’t understand how anyone can have trouble with this!””
Who the fuck said it wasn’t any trouble? Or was easy to learn? It’s the hardest fucking thing in the WORLD. One of the biggest challenges a guy could take on is “I’m going to fight against 20+ years of social conditioning, spit in the face of everyone who tries to hold me back and tries to keep me from succeeding at it (girls telling me to quit being an asshole and just be a nice guy, guys trying to keep me in my bottom-of-the-pole social order in our group, friends and peers judging me for going out to bars by myself and doing “weird” stuff like cold approaching strangers, etc.), and I’m going to do it over and over, sticking it out through the brutal pain period of non-stop rejection, until I’m so numb to the rejections that I can actually start improving, battling against all my insecurities, fears, and every fight or flight instinct I have that keeps 99% of guys from every cold approaching a girl in their life, and not only am I going to do all that, but I’m going to get GOOD at it, and EXCEL at it.”
Of COURSE that’s trouble. Of course it’s hard. It’s hard as fuck. But if you WANT it, it’s right there in front of you. There is nothing preventing ANYONE from reading this sentence I’m typing, then standing up from their computer chair, walking outside and chatting up the first person they see. And if you really, truly WANTED it, no matter where you’re starting from or how hardcase a newbie you are, you could become the top 1% at it.
…but it’s a lot easier to sit there and keep reading this next sentence, isn’t it? 😉
“When you get to the point where all you want to do is be successful as bad as you want to breathe, THEN you’ll be successful. (…) Most of you SAY you want to be successful, but you don’t want it BAD. You just KINDA want it.”:
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@ ya really
OMG thank you for posting that video! It brought tears to my eyes because it really touched home for me!!!!
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‘No, most guys can’t learn top game, because men are not equal.’
You’re right and wrong. You’re right because on its face, this statement is true. You’re wrong because the point at which ‘men stop being equal’ is way past a point that a) most men would be fucking overjoyed with and b) 99% of men will reach.
It’s like boxing. Can ANYBODY be an Ali or Marciano? Probably not. Can ANYBODY go pro? Sure. Now, they’ll have to take themselves to the fucking limit and be willing to get the shit beaten out of them, but ya, they’ll get there.
Pro boxers represent what, the top 1% (if that) of all boxers?
It’s the same here.
People just hate learning and growing. Just because you start getting laid, your problems with women or whatever don’t go away. In fact, a lot of new crazy situations start cropping up that you have to deal with. On top of that you have to deal with them in an ‘act like you’ve been there before’ way.
For me, now I’m kind of a bar star and have gotten a few legit hot chicks. Cool. But now I’m trying to ‘break-in’ to a scene and it’s pretty difficult for me. Lol I am and have been the guy who talked a lot to a cool bouncer at a nice nice club last week who gets thrown under the bus this week. I’m the guy who’s currently trying to figure out the logistics of getting 2-4 cute girls out with him to the club — which means I need to start learning how to have girls as friends, too.
Maybe it’ll take a year. Maybe two. Who cares? Do I think the people who get into these places with the hot chicks have some sort of magic superpowers? Fuck no. I’ve seen them. They probably found the important people, made some cute girl friends, and were ready when their opportunity came. That simple.
Liiiike, I was a pretty hard case newbie: Short, normal looking, fat, kinda boring. My life has completely turned around, so….if I can do it anyone else can. If they put in the work.
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@ya
oh shit i love that video. used to watch it all the time
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Not all men enjoy “socializing” (talking about things you’re not interested in) or “bringing value” (entertaining people).
Let’s face it, talking to women and bartenders sucks.
I think this is a niche for people who really just enjoy picking up women or social engineering as you obviously do.
Sort of like brazilian jiu-jitsu, if you are taking it for self defense you have to be crazy because it’s so time consuming, expensive and injuries galore you could hand someone your wallet every year and still come out ahead.
But some like me just enjoy Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and pay good money to get beat up and spend all my free time watching videos.
But for most men, it’s probably better and cheaper to get an occasional hooker or throw that wild haymaker.
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My night game lately amounts to day gaming an attractive girl and then bringing her with me to a strip club at night. Going to a strip club with a girl that’s hotter than the strippers = preselection and social proof.
Preselection is the most powerful tenet of Game and it’s most cumbersome barrier. How do you display preselection when there’s no women on your life? Simple, lie. Make shit up. Fake pictures, fake girlfriends, whatever works.
The other night I was at a strip club with an HB 7 and ended up in the VIP room sucking on some other dude’s girlfriends nipples. You don’t have to believe me, but just know that night game is what you make it.
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This. I’m losing a lot of my guy friends right now because they can’t get into the venues I go to in NYC. The girls are gorgeous at places like Avenue or Lavo and the ratios are awesome but if you don’t have 2-4 cute girls to come out at night with you then you have no shot at getting in unless you’re a bottle buyer.
Honestly I love this, I can’t stand the sausage fests you get in areas like LES. And all these community guys trying to pickup my friends. It’s incredibly obvious/creepy with their eager plowing and their lack of friends that I’ll actually ask them straight up if they’re pua and watch them react as they’re trying to find a way to say they’re not.
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I can’t imagine living in a big city and having this kind of expectation just to meet women. Seems absurd, so much trouble, effort or resources just to get a whiff of pussy.
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“I can’t imagine living in a big city and having this kind of expectation just to meet women. Seems absurd, so much trouble, effort or resources just to get a whiff of pussy.”
Correction, a whiff of the finest pussy the world has to offer. If you want a shot at HB9s and 10s you’re gonna have to put in the effort.
And I mean true HB9s, not “beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my pudgy girlfriend from Carlsbad, Wisconsin is an HB9 to me, those club skanks have pointy elbows” HB9s.
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@Burninator
There’s way more upside than downside. Many of the girls in these venues are some of the hottest models in the world (e.g. the main girl from the blurred lines video is within my social circle, and she’s a normal level of attractiveness at these venues) and you’re already preselected by 1. having cute girls with you and 2. having gotten into the venue in the first place. And theres no sausage fest / creepy chodes to bring the party vibe down.
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@kant
“Honestly I love this”
lol yup me too. I WANT all the lame guys weeded out of the venues I go to. Fuck those guys. Improve yourselves and step up to the plate if you want the hot girls.
Most guys don’t DESERVE them. If you’re some guy going out looking to take value, being anti-social, not taking pride in your looks enough to throw on a decent shirt to get into a nice venue, hating talking to people because it’s work to you, looking at all the guys around you as competition and obstacles, hating having to talk to her friends or “waste time” befriending them, just wanting to lurch out of your dungeon and creepily “game” some girl and carry her off into the shadows while you piss and moan about how much you hate people and douchebags and slutty bitches…
If that’s you, do you think you DESERVE a fucking 9 or 10 chick? Some chick who’s social and outgoing and pleasant and kind and smart and upbeat and positive and every guy in the bar would kill to get a chance to take her out on a date let alone FUCK her? You think you DESERVE that? Fuck that, stay the fuck out of my club lol Go work on yourself until you’re a cool social guy who gives value to the people around you, then come back and join us and the girls will fucking love you, because you’ll deserve them.
@Burninator
Riding a bike is a difficult challenge at first. But once you get the hang of it you don’t even think about it and zoom around free like the wind loving it. Learning to play a guitar feels like a frustrating hopeless cause at first. But once it becomes second nature to you, you’re Hendrix killing it with a smile on your face.
It’s only trouble/effort/etc. if you view socializing as work. I’m not chatting with the bouncer going “ugh, I have to talk to this stupid guy so he’ll let me in later..fuck this, I wish I didn’t have to interact with other human beings ughhhhh”. I’m thinking “oh, this guy is cool, this conversation we’re having about MMA/weightlifting/drunk people/whatever his other job is/etc. is fun” and take an actual interest in the dude, probably run into him drinking somewhere on an industry night and buy him a beer and shoot the shit, and down the road I’ll just give him a nod as he lets me walk in.
Here’s Tyler on “How To Minimize Annoying Socializing And Just Get Laid (100% Fool Proof Method…)”:
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@kant
“and you’re already preselected by 1. having cute girls with you and 2. having gotten into the venue in the first place. And theres no sausage fest / creepy chodes to bring the party vibe down.”
This. Spot fucking ON. The creeper guy I’m describing doesn’t get into these venues and the girls don’t WANT him there because he isn’t cool enough to add any kind of value to their night. They just come in taking value and trying to get what they want out of them and bring the vibe down for everyone.
Now I’m dropping a lot of harsh real-talk here right now…and there might be guys reading who are new and who are like “oh shit, I’m just starting out, I guess I shouldn’t try to go to these clubs :(” but if you’re working on yourself, you’re already steps ahead of other guys so keep going out and socializing and learning to love it and you’ll have people inviting you to those places because they WANT you around because you bring good energy to their night.
I didn’t start out walking into high-end clubs and shit. I was as intimidated by all this shit as anyone else. Hell you can find Tyler’s really old field reports where he bitches about nightgame and HATED it because he couldn’t succeed there with all the noise and AMOGs and bitch shields etc. Now he dominates that shit.
It takes time, and it takes going out, and it takes internalizing (through gaining reference experiences by going out) that you have value and learning to enjoy making other people have a good night and shit until you feel like you DO belong around those crowds.
And then you’ll realize that alllllll that shit you were worried about was all bullshit lol That’s when you realize dress codes are just to keep out losers, and the guys buying overpriced bottles are what pays for all the hot girls to party there for free, and that half the guys who you assumed would get hot girls are just as chodey as the guys at Jimmy’s Tavern, and the hot dolled up girls that you thought were bitchy and would only like a rich surgeon in a custom suit are just sweet normal girls like every other girl if you approach them offering good emotions and fun value.
That’s when you see a post about how “Nightgame is dead” and just lol and shake your head and are relieved that that guy isn’t going to be in your club creeping out the girls tonight. 😉
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Yeah yeah. Quite a few of the beautiful women I met in Cali (specifically the big cities), at least from when I was stationed there, were imports from the other 49 states (same in D.C.). Don’t know about NYC, of course, nor do I want to honestly. Plenty of beautiful women out here in flyover country, and if you live near a major college campus (OSU) as I do, there’s no shortage of “real HB9’s/10’s!”. Difference being that I don’t need to get to know and suck up to every single mover and shaker in the state or buy “bottles” for thousands of beans. Quick trip the coffee house or campus music scene on a weekend and I’m in, badda bing, and none the poorer from the experience.
But I do encourage the big city types to continue believing that we’re all inbred hicks and buck toothed morons however, such that they don’t move here and start imposing their “big city-big government for us!” rules on us at the voting booth. And word to the wise, you really want to stay away from Wyoming. Sure, lots of long legged, thin blond women of Scandinavian descent are there, but they all probably have buck teeth and whatnot. heh
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“but if you don’t have 2-4 cute girls to come out at night with you then you have no shot at getting in unless you’re a bottle buyer.”
1. You have 2-4 cute girls. If you are laying pipe to 2-4 cute girls who are willing to go out together then you are already a harem master. We’re talking Sultan shit here, top .1% of men. Congrats I tip my hat but your game is not really useful for most guys.
If you’re not fucking them then you are by default the beta orbiter they use for their own purposes. Better make sure you hit the atm.
2. You’re a bottle buyer. This is the polar opposite of skittles man. Bottle buyer is actually worse than beta provider chump because you’re paying for access to mingle not for pussy you’ve already landed. That’s mad game right there.
High end club game proves that money can’t buy respect. If anything it’s the opposite. These are for profit businesses. Pussy is the attraction and bottle buyers are the marks.
Can you pull there? Sure. CH has proven you can pull anywhere if your game is tight. Is the amount of time/money/effort proportionate to the amount of HBs fuckclosed? Maybe if you’re top 1%. For the rest of the “rich doctor lawyer ripped abs suit wearing chodes with their drink up by their chest looking at a girl they wish they could say “hi” to” guys, probably not.
So either you’re already a harem master or you’re a mark. Great venue for the average guy trying to get his dick wet.
With the assumption that all HBs are essentially the same, from high maintenance NYC libcunt to redneck duck hunting bible twat, which makes more sense, paying to look at them/boost their egos/pedestalize or having them buy you drinks and then suck you off while you throw skittles at their faces?
In most cases for all but the absolute top players high end bottle service club game is a losing dancing monkey proposition and for respected guys on here to push it like it’s the key to the pussy palace is not helpful or inspiring.
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YaReally are you jewish?
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@YaReally
I don’t mind socializing, but to need to do it to get pussy seems rather like effort instead of fun. I get where you guys are coming from, I just wouldn’t want to be in your shoes and have to put in so much footwork just to get laid.
Keep in mind as I mentioned to cryo, I’m just 20 minutes north of the largest college campus in these united states, Ohio State University (I think it’s still the largest? If not, it’s a close second). Also, Columbus is a big white collar “profession” type town (lots of insurance, banking and other HQ type companies here), so there’s the professionalism without the huge crowds or other dating “needs” of, say, NYC. And this probably explains why I seem to have higher standards on the “rating” thing than some here, I’m surrounded basically 24/7 with 18-24 year old smoking hot college girls, or can be within 20 minutes on any given day, and a lot of them head out to the places I go on the weekends “alpha hunting”. You kind of up the “ok, if they’re all 9’s then I need to sort out differences a bit to adjust standards).
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@Skank
“With the assumption that all HBs are essentially the same, from high maintenance NYC libcunt to redneck duck hunting bible twat, which makes more sense, paying to look at them/boost their egos/pedestalize or having them buy you drinks and then suck you off while you throw skittles at their faces?”
That’s just fucking poetry. And pretty much the angle I was approaching it with as well, you just said it better. Well done. I’ve said it on here several times that I have good looking women approaching me, and it’s the truth, but with the comments on this article I’m seeing it kind of explains how some guys don’t understand. If you have to jump through all the big city hoops the idea of an equally attractive to your HB9 approaching some guy in red state area seems impossible to grasp. Nothing wrong with the city game folk and I don’t begrudge them their pussy, go for it guys, it just seems as you say like too much work for too little reward. Again, well said.
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‘And all these community guys trying to pickup my friends. It’s incredibly obvious/creepy with their eager plowing and their lack of friends that I’ll actually ask them straight up if they’re pua’
My in has always been knowing a promoter or someone inside. But now I realize I can start showing up to clubs with hot girls. What are you guy’s’ thoughts on just hitting up former FB’s as arm candy for the club? Is that good…bad?
Like I’d think it’d be great to get in and DHV, but I’m just worried that once things get difficult…the temptation to just try and dive back into one of the FB’s would be too great, which wouldn’t be good.
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@Burninator
“if you live near a major college campus (OSU) as I do, there’s no shortage of “real HB9′s/10′s!””
I’m sure there are cute chicks there. Living near a campus is great. When I got my new apartment I made sure it’s literally in the middle of the nightlife district in my city so I can go for a stroll at lunch and see a dozen hotties walking around. But most guys don’t have those logistics. Most guys live in shitty areas where they’re walking into bars like the photo above.
“Difference being that I don’t need to get to know and suck up to every single mover and shaker in the state”
Or, you know, a couple bouncers and a bartender at a bar. Or some high-value friends (because they become your friends). The same way you did at your local biker bar you’re a rockstar at, except on purpose. But if it helps you to exaggerate shit, that’s fine.
“Quick trip the coffee house or campus music scene on a weekend and I’m in, badda bing, and none the poorer from the experience.”
Why is it either/or to you? You can’t drop into a coffee house on a Tuesday afternoon and go out to a bar full of hotties on a Friday?
@Skank
Your headspace is beyond fucked up lol I’m not even really replying to convince you of anything because you’re beyond wanting to listen, so this is for the guys reading who’ve had similar thoughts now and then but are actually working on themselves.
“You have 2-4 cute girls. If you are laying pipe to 2-4 cute girls who are willing to go out together then you are already a harem master. (…) If you’re not fucking them then you are by default the beta orbiter they use for their own purposes. Better make sure you hit the atm.”
This is retarded. You don’t have to be banging girls for them to want to hang out with you. It’s called having FRIENDS lol This is the kind of thinking a guy who doesn’t have any female friends in his life has.
“Bottle buyer is actually worse than beta provider chump because you’re paying for access to mingle not for pussy you’ve already landed.”
Ya, these guys are retarded and stuck in social conditioning’s value system.
“Great venue for the average guy trying to get his dick wet.”
That’s the problem. You go out trying to get your dick wet. I go out to have fun. Getting my dick wet is a side-effect of spreading good value and then applying a little game. 🙂
“like it’s the key to the pussy palace is not helpful or inspiring.”
It’s not meant to be, it’s a reality check. When you’re posting photos with little blue dots above all the sausage, that’s the reality check that it’s time to step your game up and upgrade to better venues where those dots are pink.
@Kefv
“YaReally are you jewish?”
Nope.
@Burninator
“and have to put in so much footwork just to get laid.”
It’s not just to get laid. It’s to get laid by girls that other guys can’t get laid by. If I wanted to just stick my dick in something I could hit the local meat market bar any night of the week and snipe an average girl no problem lol
“I’m just 20 minutes north of the largest college campus in these united states”
Like I say, you have great logistics. Most guys don’t. Most guys are walking into venues like the photo. You can uproot your entire life and move across the country to live 20 min north of Ohio State Uni, or you can simply be more social and gain access to the higher-end venues and social circles in the city you live in.
Your post is literally “I don’t get it, I throw a stone outside and hit 10 hb10s!! Why do other guys put in any effort?” Because other guys don’t live near a university campus lol
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“a whiff of the finest pussy the world has to offer.”
I’m sure all that pussy was born right there in the city.
Sounds like bad sports franchise management. Spending top dollar for a guy at his peak. All the best scouts catch them on their way up, land them, then sell them for a huge profit once everyone else agrees with what the scout already knew.
The world’s finest pussy has already been worked over when it was in high school by some fry cook in Carlsbad, Wisconsin. And guess what? He got it for the cost of an order of cheese fries and was bored by fuck number 10.
“every guy in the bar would kill to get a chance to take her out on a date let alone FUCK her? You think you DESERVE that?”
Solid gold pedestal game. Set out in this mindframe at your own risk.
“Learning to play a guitar feels like a frustrating hopeless cause at first. But once it becomes second nature to you, you’re Hendrix killing it with a smile on your face.”
Hendrix is the best electric guitar player in history. He stands absolutely alone at the top of a mountain of musical genius. To say that someone will be as good at anything as he was at playing the electric guitar is absolutely ridiculous.
Gross hyperbole bordering on total delusion and when statements like this are tossed around so haphazardly one really has to wonder at the quality of advice surrounding them.
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“In most cases for all but the absolute top players high end bottle service club game is a losing dancing monkey proposition and for respected guys on here to push it like it’s the key to the pussy palace is not helpful or inspiring.”
I’m just saying, the girls are out there if you know where to find them. All of those imports from middle America imported for a reason, the same reason all beautiful women flock to the cosmopolis. Thrills, chills and a shot at marriage to a mega bucks beta or even a high powered alpha if they’re lucky.
Besides, it doesn’t really take all that much to get in to those circles, once you learn how to play the game you’d be surprised how easy it is.
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@YaReally,
Most men do not have the capacity to socialize at the level you are describing. No amount of practicing Game or PUA camps or w/e will give most guys that level of social skills. Especially for place like NYC, where the social skills of those that can get into those clubs are in the 1% level, and the incomes they generate are also within the 1% level as well. Yes, the women are also in the 1% level, but to most men, they are far beyond their reach.
What Burninator is describing is much more attainable for most guys, especially considering the rapid cycle rate combined with low expectations of the girls that attend there. Most guys would be beyond thrilled to land a girl in the 10% once in their life.
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@skank
lol best of luck
@ar10308
“Most guys would be beyond thrilled to land a girl in the 10% once in their life.”
I’m not talking to those guys. I’m talking to the guys who piss and moan that there aren’t any hot girls but aren’t willing to step up their game to put themselves in situations where there ARE hot girls, like in the OP above.
If a guy is happy pulling guppies out of a local pond, that’s cool, whatever makes them happy. But if a guy is fishing at that pond whining like a bitch that there aren’t any dolphins to catch, and he refuses to go to the ocean, he’s an idiot whining about a problem that isn’t there.
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@ skank
“1. You have 2-4 cute girls. If you are laying pipe to 2-4 cute girls who are willing to go out together then you are already a harem master. We’re talking Sultan shit here, top .1% of men. Congrats I tip my hat but your game is not really useful for most guys.”
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Yeah most of the girls I bring out I’ve banged before, or still bang occasionally, but they don’t come out with me because of that, they do it because like any normal 22 year old girl they want to go out and have fun with cool people. And hell if I told each of them ‘bring a girlfriend’ then it would be me and 4-8 girls that easily.
Like YaReally says some guys here have this creepy mindset of not wanting to have fun and socialize and just wanting to go “pick up girls”.
I’m not a “harem master” or in the top .1% of guys. Just a cool guy (though rather quiet and introverted actually) who enjoys hanging out with girls. Hang out with a girl for a while and you will probably both get horny and end up banging no biggie. And I’m 5’8 , 140 pounds, you don’t have to be some big hunk alpha to bang cute girls.
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@ar10308
“Most men do not have the capacity to socialize at the level you are describing. No amount of practicing Game or PUA camps or w/e will give most guys that level of social skills. Especially for place like NYC, where the social skills of those that can get into those clubs are in the 1% level, and the incomes they generate are also within the 1% level as well. Yes, the women are also in the 1% level, but to most men, they are far beyond their reach.”
bullshit! that’s blue pill all the way…
if i can do it, you (or anybody else) can do it…this is just your excuse to stay in your comfort zone. (or you’re really a feminist troll…lol…) i was an aspergy beta that was so shy i walked around high school looking at the tops of my shoes…it’s painful to even think about it now…lol…but i own that shit cause that’s what happened…
three years ago, i was lookin’ down both barrels of a really nasty divorce (with all that implies…child support/alimony/etc.) i found this site (among others – Rational Male, MMSL, etc…) and choked down that red pill…
it wasn’t fun, or pretty, or nice and comfy, and it was soooo far outside my comfort zone that i wanted to puke, but i was on a cliff with a big ol’ freight train of a pro-feminine court system barreling down on me with a target right on my asshole…i didn’t have anything to lose…
so, i started to act and test and observe what worked…and what didn’t… and repeat…and repeat…and repeat…
i made plenty of mistakes…big ones…little ones. i would lose ground…then gain some back…but here’s the thing…i worked my ass off trying to change…and every time i had a loss of ground, one of these sites had the answer on how to get that ground back, plus more…everything that gets posted here works…i’ve gained so much ground that for fun i’ll stare down hb8-10 in public spaces just to see their nips pop out from the dominance display…and i know from testing that i can walk over, whisper in her ear, and she’ll be up for a bj/hj/whatever…it will take some comfort building/isolation logistics…she’s not gonna suck me at the outdoor cafe table…(…probably…lol…)
this response isn’t for you, i don’t really care if you’re blue pill…but for all those other guys out there that are on the fence and looking for answers…you are doing them a HUGH disservice to spout that crap…
/rant
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” You don’t have to be banging girls for them to want to hang out with you. It’s called having FRIENDS”
Apparently a new subspecies of female has been discovered. The gaping hole of need has disappeared. Fuck/marry/kill has been rendered obsolete. She defies all CH truth. She doesn’t want your alpha cock and she’s doesn’t want your beta bux/helpless adoration/ego boosting pledge of endless devotion. She wants your friendship. Lovely. Does she shit skittles too?
Heads up players. Friend zone is now the goal.
“Hang out with a girl for a while and you will probably both get horny and end up banging no biggie.”
Otherwise known as the beta orbiter strategy. Good thing you don’t run CH.
Starting to think some of the most respected posters on here are actually women.
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@skank
Call me an orbiter all you want, in the meantime I’ll have a threesome with the two girls I’m bringing to le bain tonight, unless of course I meet someone hotter while I’m there
This forum is a dark fucking place god damn
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sounds like what GLL said about LA nightclub game. It isn’t a game, you’re either preselected or you’re out.
Speaking of ratios, recently went to a well known spring break location for bachelor party fun. Talk about hit or miss, I’d say for the island, the ratio was 10:1. That was, shall we say, a challenge.
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Watched the whole video. Great find! I think the poor are getting poorer, and in pussy the rich are getting richer until there is mass culling. Everything is dying for most Westerners: that IS The Decline. Whether general night game is dying w/ or w/o offsetting replacement to some degree, it would be hard to put in proper perspective w/o hindsight. I don’t live in large city with elite bs clubs. Bitches be jaded though. Not worth more effort than getting out of bed in the morning to take a piss, and before it’s all over, they won’t be worth the effort of a wide awake piss at home. I am casual for the times. ftw I prospect at my total convenience because in the social wilds of EQ, there is only The Now. Fucking communally political fucking animals at large.
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“The way around this is through socializing and offering value and befriending people instead of just being a little value-taking troll lurking in the shadows with a buddy trying to pop out and snipe a girl.”
Game. Set. Match.
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Roosh indeed looks like a homeless guy from India. Which is why he goes to Third World countries where he can hope to impress a woman or two with being from the U.S., which many women idolize as the land of plenty.
The video is of RSDTyler though. Who, with that beard, also looks kind of like a homeless person.
Roosh is going to shitty bars, like all the other sausages, because he prefers to be a loner instead of building/maintaining social circles that gain him access to the bars with women.
One thing I never expect Roosh to have is friends.
Funny thing, you can only sign up the first day of the month to his forum. That is his way of making sure only the most dedicated will sign up, those who really believe he is the god he makes himself out to be in text.
In a weak moment though, he has admitted that he absolutely reeks because of a flood of sweat from his armpits all day long. He has to douse his armpits with baking soda and medical-strength alcohol to get a few hours of peace. He has theorized though that maybe this makes him more primal and manly. Heh. With the swarthy looks (and not even being attractive in an Indian setting), being a low-wage technician in a lab doing rote jobs day in and day out, and the stench from his armpit sweat, it’s no wonder he couldn’t get any women in the U.S. But he couldn’t blame himself. So he blames American women, pouring venom over them and all Western women, claiming they are all fat feminists – and this finds an audience among those losers who can’t get a girlfriend and go through their twenties without sex. They want to blame the women, not themselves. These make up Roosh’s forum dwellers. (Those who criticize him in the slightest is thrown out, though.) These are the people who buy his books so he can afford getting some pictures taken with a prostitute in South America or Poland, and post it online to show how he “scores”.
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hahahahha.
you are the sweetest and most priceless little cupcake since King A…
wait a minute…….
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“Roosh indeed looks like a homeless guy from India.”
Oh, stop. His looks are perfectly fine. I was sorry to read he’d left the states. I really don’t think he’s given them enough of a chance. There are lots of little pockets of paradise. I”m 6-7 hours from D.C. and I happen to live in one. If his income comes from online, he can live anywhere he wants. There could be some girl just a few hours away from the city where he could be perfectly content and still not far from his family, who he appears to be close to. Ah, well. Regardless of where he goes, his journey is an internal one.
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True. Being an evening bar fly and trying to make friends with girls there doesn’t really work. You don’t make reliable connections in the evenings when their guards are up. And if you get drunk, it’s even worse.
But recently, I’ve been getting good results befriending hot girls with day game in small diners or beer halls during happy hours and such, who are then willing to hang out in evenings as social proof. And since hot girls know other hot girls — the sorority system is a powerful network — you can set off a chain reaction that makes meeting subsequent hotties much easier.
Conclusion: day game is absolutely essential. If you’re not doing day game, you are barely scratching your potential.
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Yes. If you want the benefits of daygame combined with traditional night game’s alcohol-soaked component, happy hours are indispensable.
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@yareally What happened to you, man? You used to be cool. Now, all I’m getting is a real elitist prick vibe. Heck, it’s not even in your interest to help other men, because the more men in these 1% clubs the worse it is for you.
Plus, the whole “PUA infighting” thing is weak. Who was even talking about Roosh before you brought it up?
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Look at the top. Roosh was the inspiration for this very post.
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I can’t lie dude. It was pretty awesome watching other people pull you apart for spending $2000 a bottle for pussy that should cost about $20 a bottle and you trying to justify and rationalize your behavior. You pay for access to cunt real ma’fuckers get for free if they have enough clout . End of story.
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Get out to the smaller metro areas. There are hotties every weekend in my country dance bar. If I were doing pickup, I’d be into 8’s every week.
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“A total of 1,422,976 new cases of Chlamydia trachomatis were reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2012, “the largest number of reported cases for any notifiable disease in the U.S.,” a CDC spokeswoman told CNSNews.com.”
“Approximately 110 million Americans – more than a third of the entire U.S. population – were infected with a sexually transmitted disease (STD) as of 2008, the latest date for which figures are available, the CDC spokeswoman confirmed.”
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Lost respect for Roosh when he censored YaReally’s comments on his website; I’m sure he’s losing sleep over this.
Anyway, Heartiste brings up a good point that one should use daygame as a solution to the problem in the post.
With that said, here’s a couple other solutions.
1) use social skills to gain access to exclusive night clubs. Stop shlepping in the same frat bar that brings in mediocre girls
2) go to different events that aren’t like the “meat-market” bro bars. Art fairs, food festivals, museums etc.
*Williamsburg Shmorgasborg, New Museum, UES Steet Fair are examples
3) hit up concerts like EDM shows. Yeah looking good and rolling on Molly helps
4) change your mindset to more of a value-giver and that of “Hey I’m out and enjoy socializing and getting to know people” vs “Let me see how many sets I can open tonight”. Which mindset is more likely to develop a social life and admiring group of friends
As daygame starts to reach critical mass and girls become accustomed to hearing “Hey I know this is TOTALLY random but I had to say that you’re sooo xyz”, a playa with foresight needs to work that work for him
1) maximize your looks
2) enhance your social skills or better yet, develop a positive outlook on people
3) amp up the aggression of what you can get away with. Why settle for the daygame number when she was ready to instadate and possibly fuck
4) use online dating as a side avenue. Don’t be that guy who is too proud
5) cultivate a lifestyle and friends you are proud to have as your friends. Helps retain the girls you want to keep in your life
I’m guilty of not recognizing a lot of this and so experience is teaching me how to work smarter
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Roosh has a strong preference for banning criticism of blacks on his sites. He also has claimed that blacks raise American’s game ability, and that the black v. white divide is cooked up by power brokers in Washington to keep us all divided. I have two opinions why he does this:
1. Roosh really does carry a blind spot on race issues. Hard to believe, though, since he was raised in D.C. (where the line between human and black is stark and wide) and flies all over the world and runs into a lot of different races, and describes intra-race differences well (Columbia v. Argentina v. Brazil, or Poland v. Ukraine, etc.). He also once made an April Fool’s Day prank post about visiting East Africa for the chicks, with some clearly Photoshopped pictures–he admitted he never did, and never talks about banging blacks, and the point of the prank is that NOBODY wants African chicks. In short, Roosh is clearly attuned to racial categories that exist. That leads me to my second theory….
2. Roosh is quite cognizant of the black-parasite-savage-low-iq problem, but has decided he can only fight one dragon at a time, and that dragon is feminism. That would make more sense: noticing sex differences is still more tolerated in Western societies than noticing race differences, and a return to normalcy on the sexes is a more feasible goal. The death of feminism would re-empower beta males, including beta blacks, and thus create a more civilized Western society.
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whorefinder
I have two opinions why he does this
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Is Roosh a white person?
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We know you aren’t, monkey-boy!
Rape!
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“Fighting one dragon at a time”
Thus may also explain Welmer/Price at Spearhead. Lately he’s been writing about the demographic squeeze on white families.
Though he is still half-swayed by the fag-MRA notion that men across races have more grounds for solidarity than men have with their women.
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Roosh is cognizant, of insecure, beta men such as yourself that have a constant need to indiscriminately bash a people to uplift himself. All the markers of a man who can’t get the sex he wants from the women he wants.
Rape!
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lol. aw, the projection from the supplicating-before-kneegroes lefties is so cute and unintentionally hilarious.
Lefty virgin rape!
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Sorry, but grown men trolling bars past the age of 25 look pathetic, and are pathetic.
It’s pathetic watching “men” stare up at flickering black athletes on ESPN for hours and hours and hours, cheering “their boys” while downing testosterone-depleting and sperm-killing alcohol, readily masked by the endless Viagara commercials airing in between glamour shots of “King James” dunking on a white guy.
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Beer.aspx
Most of the dudes aren’t hitting on women, anyway. They just want to feel like they’re part of a hip scene, but what little sex drive they have is already spoken for: to internet porn.
Fuck self-hating American white men. I’m embarrassed just looking at them.
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Never understood why a man would wear a jersey with another man’s name on the back.
Pathetic.
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Especially that of a knee grow.
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Is this the part where we attack white males?
Sorry Im late.
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“Especially that of a knee grow.”
Call it poetic justice!
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Should instead tattoo his name on his ass preceded by “Property of “
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Those who idolize sports indeed want to find a way to be part of the herd. Also, they want something they can talk to their friends about. These are people on such a low level that they can’t find meaningful conversation, so it’s either sports or the weather.
Now if only they would work out themselves, instead of sitting still watching other men sweat.
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Hmm, looks like I’ll be staying away from IPAs from now on.
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lol. almost 40, bang 22 all day long. try harder next time.
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Sports are one of the few things on tee-vee that are NOT predictable. The internet and digital technology in general has increased peoples need for constant stimulation in the visual arena
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It’s been fascinating following reco’s situation because I can see his perception of what’s possible growing. At the same time this process is deeply frustrating because that perception is only accessible in hindsight.
I went out tonight solo, emo and depressed that none of the hotties on my kickball team want to fuck me (we had a game this evening) and that I blew out a bunch of promising text leads that had been going well (top among them a cute blind girl, lol. Try eye contact game on that shit!). Blowout blowout blowout.. then one hooked and I got a number from a sorority hottie before her bf stole her away. Then a hot pair of girls hooked and we ended up running around the bar for 45 minutes. They gave me the card for their band and I tried to put it in the more attractive girl’s panties. Yay. On with both but I aim for the blonde. Number. Quick makeout with the hot blonde with the 15 second micro-isolation I could get. Eventually the less hot girl did a takeaway thingy and I held her in a staredown as she dragged the blonde away. No way I’m gonna chase your stupid butt. It was 2:15 and I was chipper about the solid number.
There were ways to stop the takeaway, but my brain literally did not see the possibility that I could make a threesome happen. Retrospectively, it was on enough, great logistics, and even the less attractive girl was fucking hot. I thought that going out solo I was limited to getting numbers and super easy prey, and thus didn’t take a swing at a solid threesome opportunity.
Text:
Lumpy – 2:18am: Gve me another card and it’s gonna end up in your butt lol. Get home safe
Blonde – 2:24am: LOL!!!! What the heck! You left us!
-_-
Stay open to opportunity gents
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@lumpy
“Blonde – 2:24am: LOL!!!! What the heck! You left us!”
lol been there. Every guy should go out solo for a period just to shake his reality and limiting beliefs up. I’m currently winging with a good PUA buddy right now but he’s moving away soon so I’ll be back to solo in a couple months. Scared shitless and not looking forward to it at all, but I’ve done it before (my first few years were 90% solo) so I can do it again. It’s just like heading back to the gym to get back in shape. Solo is fun once you get used to it…most people could never do it. They’ll stay home over going out alone.
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Dude, I only go out alone. (Why is that so hard?) And I make friends at new bars. People I chat with tell me info about chicks there.
If I were single I’d be comfortable hitting on chicks at the bars.
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I go out alone all the time and even prefer it that way. A man who can’t stand on his own two feet is not much of a man.
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@lumpy
“because that perception is only accessible in hindsight.”
no it’s not…it just looks like that when you start. once you get some more practice (and that’s what it is…just like any ‘sport’…lol…)
it gets to where you can see this stuff in real time…
and then you will start to be able to predict shit (where that curve ball is going to break across the plate…where you need to be to be open for the screen pass…where the wave is going to break…etc.)
it’s a process…and it gets easier…
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@davidsnesgamer – hahaha yeah aside from your 25+ comment at the top, agree with everything else 100%.
YaReally is correct, and, as a side note, I’ll be going out tonight for the first time in over 2 years. The low-energy vids Ya posted about a week ago has prepped me for battle!
BUT..
As a bouncer in a high end club – I see 3 ratios:
Either HB8+ girls night out for ego lift (includes my ex/current fb), frat/country boy shenanigans, or it’s the mixed group that alllll go out with their friends, grabs a booth, and does not let any outsiders in.
Sure, there’s plenty of porking going on @ the ‘after party’ with the mixed groups, but there is very little game played that I see. More of that ‘typical game’ you see at any club. Pretty limp dick. I’m like a hawk and love to watch this shit.
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“YaReally is correct, and, as a side note, I’ll be going out tonight for the first time in over 2 years. The low-energy vids Ya posted about a week ago has prepped me for battle! ”
Props dude. I’m getting into the low-energy thing huge right now ’cause it’s going to be handy as I get older. I stopped high-fiving girls years ago, it looks retarded at 30+ lol The low-energy thing is a whole different approach that suits my getting older. You’ll be surprised at the results if you apply it for a while and really get the hang of it. You can blow out high-energy guys with low-energy and keeping laser-eyes and the “magic bubble” going, it’s surreal.
“or it’s the mixed group that alllll go out with their friends, grabs a booth, and does not let any outsiders in.”
Ya, high-end bars require MM group theory. You can hit a meat market bar and snipe girls off but like Mystery said “the hottest girls are rarely found alone, they’re always with friends”. Mystery’s shit was designed for “infiltrating” these high-end venues cliquish circles. It’s genius shit.
“but there is very little game played that I see”
Prob there is that a lot of these guys still don’t have game, even if they have money and access to hot girls, they still don’t know their head from their ass in terms of legit seduction lol No guy except a PUA putting in his hours is going to walk up to a mixed set of 8 people and actually sit down with them and charm them all and be included in their group and pull their girls. That’s a monumental fucking feat and so far outside of normal guys’ reality that they wouldn’t even consider it could be done. Hell, they would see it and assume the guy must somehow know them half the time.
A huge reason why I’m not at all intimidated by rich tall good-looking etc. guys is because I spent a lot of time in high-end venues watching these guys with their limp dicks the way you do and seeing that they really aren’t “competition” except to guys who assume they must be cooler than them because they don’t understand how attraction works etc.
But this is too much of a mindfuck to explain to guys who haven’t been to these venues. You have to really see, in person, over and over, these rich doctor lawyer ripped abs suit wearing chodes with their drink up by their chest looking at a girl they wish they could say “hi” to, to burn into your brain that you can have higher value than them simply by being a cool social guy who isn’t afraid to approach strangers and offer them good emotions and fun.
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Fantastic comment.
“A huge reason why I’m not at all intimidated by rich tall good-looking etc. guys is because I spent a lot of time in high-end venues watching these guys with their limp dicks the way you do and seeing that they really aren’t “competition” except to guys who assume they must be cooler than them because they don’t understand how attraction works etc.”
Another way to ascertain this knowledge for a less experienced PUA – go out one night disciplined to adhere to one singular goal – you are only going to meet new people to facilitate *them* hooking up. Meet women and then introduce them to your ‘new friends’ aka the tallest/best looking guys in the venue (who you’ve simply greeted with a standard banal ‘hey man’ etc. beforehand). Then, without malice or agenda (benevolence is best) – simply notice how these tallest/best looking guys will fuck up, of their own accord, a golden opportunity you just gift-wrapped for them. Enlightening.
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@Steve H
ya, I throw girls at guys all the time just for the fun of it and I’ve watched good-looking rich etc. buddies of mine, who are literally getting MASSIVE iois from a girl as she swoons checking him out for like 5 minutes, and he LIKES her, and if I pull her over to introduce them he chokes completely and I’m like “lol seriously???” in my head.
The way you get better with women is approaching and flirting with women. Climbing a mountain and becoming a rich CEO and shit is great, you’ll build some alpha traits, but if I put a cute girl in front of you and you aren’t used to talking to them, you will choke. It’s that simple.
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@YaReally
“The low-energy vids Ya posted about a week ago has prepped me for battle!”
I must have missed these…hook a brother up…lol…
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@YaReally – refreshing to hear that even experienced guys like yourself get scared going out alone. I’m mid 30s, just started doing the solo thing as friends have all coupled up /married etc. – yup, fucking terrifying! No probs hooking into conversations with strangers tho, mixed sets etc, but not really on the radar of the girls yet, which if I’m honest is ok – just enjoying getting social again, & have had the ‘tall / ripped successful’ guys offer to buy me drinks as a result of me adding value to their night. Buuut, I really don’t want to go the road of the ‘opinion opener’ just to get attention – seems so outdated & clunky now, & I guess obvious to others who even remotely know of pua gear. Any ideas on not just getting stuck chatting to dudes & at least getting on the radar of the girls? Your advice & feedback would be super appreciated
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What’s the magic bubble?
“A huge reason why I’m not at all intimidated by rich tall good-looking etc. guys….”
For sure. I see those guys dance with chicks, but the chicks are giving me the moon eyes, hugs, etc. Their friends are DQ’ing themselves so that I’ll pay attention to their friend with the 5h1t-eating grin. I’m not rich, tall, or good-looking (not like when I was 40 years younger). I’m just “meh” about all their interest in me. I’m almost tempted to go for a kiss just to verify that their interest is in more than just dancing with me. Maybe I’ll go for moving near the kiss zone and then flake so I don’t lead them on. If they hold my gaze, they are on about kissing.
My wife is pissed at me like she always is when I go out alone. So, even with that, I went for a kiss and I could tell she was thinking that she really wanted to kiss me (she held my gaze for a few secs while I was in the kiss zone) but wouldn’t because of pride, lol.
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@having a bad day
““The low-energy vids Ya posted about a week ago has prepped me for battle!”
I must have missed these…hook a brother up…lol…”
http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/4/#comment-heartiste-547945
Also just found James Marshall. He works for the same group as Liam Macrae (the guy giving the Rapid Escalation speech). James is INCREDIBLY low-energy, but he expresses a ton of intent through his eye-contact and slow calm talking and body language.
This video below is for the guys in this thread who were whining about how “not everyone can be that top 1% wahh wahh I’m low energy I’m an introvert I can’t be a frat boy running around high-fiving everyone and making friends with the entire bar!!!!”.
In this video he handles a super high-energy party girl set while keeping his calm low-energy vibe through the entire thing, and you see the girls fall into his frame and get sucked into his vibe:
He has a small breakdown of it here: http://thejamesmarshall.com/2012/04/james-marshall-infield-pickup-las-vegas/
And here’s another video by Liam that has some great exercises etc. to help guys understand how silence and talking slowly and lowering your energy can build tension and force other people to qualify themselves to you and build attraction when you combine it with laser eye-contact etc.:
This is the direction my game is heading as I get older because despite what mental images guys reading my stuff probably have of me, I’m actually a low energy introvert. Part of why I don’t decide to settle with a girlfriend is that I like my alone time lol And I don’t run around the bar high-fiving everyone and shit.
But the stuff they’re demonstrating in this video builds just as much (if not more) connection and rapport with people as crazy frat boy RSD high-energy stuff. You can talk to a bouncer, manager, bartender, girls, groups of girls, guys, etc. with low energy, as long as you still have a lot of intent and you understand how to get people to open up (Juggler method) and build comfort/rapport etc.
Some more James being low energy:
He has some other great stuff out there, I recommend giving his 21 Convention talks a listen.
I was actually skeptical of the low energy stuff when I first found it because I was part of the oldschool game community where we DID believe you had to be high-energy. At the same time tho I was also in my early/mid 20s so I was higher energy and that was fine for me at the time.
But once I started just embracing a lower energy and focusing on laser eye-contact and magic bubbles and all that shit, I realized that James/Liam/Gambler etc. are actually spouting fucking gold lol
@Junior
“refreshing to hear that even experienced guys like yourself get scared going out alone”
Oh fuck ya. It’s even scarier now that I’m in my early 30s. When I was mid-20s, hey, whatever, who cares everyone in the bar is around my age, it’s cool to be out solo. Now I run into issues like I can’t drink much because I can’t let myself be that sloppy drunk older guy drinking himself into a stupor alone so I can’t rely on liquid confidence and have to basically approach sober now. I’m more self-conscious if I go into a young meat-market nightclub solo. I have to deal with more age related shit-tests if not from the girl herself (they usually don’t give a shit) but from her friends. I have to build more social proof to feel comfortable (if I get to the bar and it’s practically empty, sitting there sipping a beer alone makes me feel self-conscious and lame…but if I chat with the bartender I’ve chatted with a few times before, now I’m there visiting my buddy the bartender, so I don’t feel or look as lame).
I’m also looking toward doing more daygame. I can still run nightclubs just fine, and enjoy it, but down the road I’m going to end up slowing up and not be able to handle it anymore and I want a solid daygame skillset to fall back on. And I am scared SHITLESS to start that this summer lol Like butterflies in the stomach like I had when I was a newbie so many years ago. But I also rationally understand that it’s simply because I haven’t done daygame in years so I know it’s going to take some work and be scary and there’s going to be a pain period…but I also know that if I stick at it, it will get easier and I’ll start to enjoy it and eventually it’ll become a solid skillset for me.
It’s like if you took a few years off going to the gym, you’d be dreading starting up a workout routine again but you know that if you stick at it you’ll get back in shape again.
“I’m mid 30s, just started doing the solo thing as friends have all coupled up /married etc.”
lol ya that’s a big part of it that keeps guys in their 30s from trying to learn game. They have to either go out solo because their friends have all settled down which is scary as fuck, or they have to go out with their settled friends who just want to get shitfaced off jugs of beer sitting at a table in a sausagefest pub and then go home to their fat wives who don’t put out lol
So a guy realizes this and goes “shit, if I’m actually going to make any progress, I guess I’m going to have to go out alone”. Props to you for taking action.
“but not really on the radar of the girls yet, which if I’m honest is ok – just enjoying getting social again”
You have plenty of time. 🙂 reco is 50+ and look what he’s been up to lol Just enjoy the process. There’s no final destination, the journey is the reward, all that feel-good shit lol
“have had the ‘tall / ripped successful’ guys offer to buy me drinks as a result of me adding value to their night”
I told my wingman we should try befriending groups of dudes at stripclubs and see if they’ll buy lapdances for us (we never actually buy them, we just go to practice eye-contact and normalize a sexual mindset before we head to normal bars lol) just to see if we can do it. I think it would be hilarious.
“Buuut, I really don’t want to go the road of the ‘opinion opener’ just to get attention – seems so outdated & clunky now”
Ya I’ve been at that stage for a while. I feel retarded as a 30+yo man walking across a half-empty nightclub to go ask a table of 18yo’s “hey I need your advice on something”. What the fuck life advice could a child give a 30+yo man lol I’m messing around with going a bit more direct, but I’m not a big fan of it because I like a little playful seduction and I like to win girls who are on the fence over VS laying all my cards on the table and hoping she’s into me…I feel like as I get older and uglier, direct game isn’t going to be that useful for me VS an indirect “demonstrate high value and a sexual nature and she’ll become receptive to me” method.
I actually like to just act like I know someone in the group lol Like I approach as if they’ve been expecting me and I try to entertain myself by seeing how long it takes before they realize none of them actually knows me, then I riff that I used to date one of them (whichever is the most receptive to me) but I broke up with her because she was bad in bed etc. etc. and then I’m basically in.
I’ve been fortunate to have a lot of good social buddies the past few years so I haven’t had to do a lot of legit solo cold approaching and opening because we just kind of pull girls around us in with our energy…girls will stand near us on purpose (pAImAI, google it) and I just observe which one is checking out who in our group and grab her and say “hey, you should meet my friend” and introduce them and then work the rest of her group.
So this year and next I’ll be focusing a lot more on solo approaching/opening unless I build a large social circle…I haven’t decided which I want to do yet because right now I have a solid PUA wingman I can actually talk technical game with so we just head out the two of us.
“Any ideas on not just getting stuck chatting to dudes & at least getting on the radar of the girls?”
Introduce girls to the dudes. Just grab whatever girls are passing by or whatever group of girls is near you and say “hey, you should meet my buddy. This is Bob.” and make them shake hands and introduce themselves to eachother and then pull the rest of the group in to meet the other guys etc. Be the social connector that merges groups. The dudes love you because holy shit you just introduced cute girls to them you’re a fucking wizard, the girls think you’re high-value because you’re the social connector with the balls to do something like that and they get to meet some cool guys, and anyone watching is like “holy shit look at what that guy just did” lol And it puts you in a good state and forces you out of your head and you get to meet some girls too. It’s win/win/win value-spreading all around.
Give it a try next time. I actually like to ask guys (social circle or randoms) right when I first meet them (since we usually meet in a bar) what kind of girls are their type. They’re usually too nervous/uncomfortable with their sexual desires to answer so I throw out “blondes? brunettes? tall? short? tits or ass?” and they usually lol and give a bit more detailed version of what they like and then if I see a girl that fits that I make sure that I try to introduce the two of them. That’s the greatest night in the world for that guy, even if he gets shot down he’s my BFF forever because I gave him a shot with his dream girl. So I find out what he values most and then try to provide that for him…I can’t give him money or material things or buy him a drink or anything, but I can help create an opportunity for him that he’s scared to create for himself and that other people can’t create…that’s offering value and makes him want to offer value in return.
And I genuinely enjoy it. I want everyone to hook up with whoever they have a connection with. I think it’s awesome when two people meet and have chemistry and hit it off and something happens from there, whether it’s a little flirt, a bang, or a relationship. It’s all awesome to me and it’s fun to be like “I made that happen!”
@theasdgamer
“What’s the magic bubble?”
Basically a ton of sexual intent focused through your eyes (“laser eye-contact”), slow down your speech and lower your voice to a bedroom voice tone/speed. If you do it right, the girl gets sucked into your eye-contact and can’t bring herself to look away and everything you say/do becomes heightened (that’s why you can lower your voice even in a loud club, because she’s hyperfocused on you and will still hear you or at least understand your vibe/intent behind what you’re saying) and everything around her fades to black (I’ve had AMOG’s and mother hens literally shouting at her beside her and waving their hands in her face etc. and she just tries to look around their hand to keep eye-contact and doesn’t even notice the AMOG or whoever exists while they shout and try to get her attention). It’s super cool shit when you do it and see it in person.
I used to do it instinctively just completely randomly by sheer fluke, but the stuff I linked elsewhere in this comment section about low-energy gaming allows me to purposely create this “magic bubble” with most girls. It’s fascinating to me and I’m experimenting with it more and more.
You’re basically creating the feeling to her that you and her are the only two people in the world. You completely take over her Reticular Activation System (basically her focus on specific parts of her surroundings that are relevant to her in the moment, you become the only thing she’s focused on).
It works on high and low energy girls. The high ones are really interesting because their energy starts to drop as they fall into it and the girl that was shouting and crazy a minute ago is suddenly having a nice calm intense interaction with you.
If you get into a “magic bubble” with a girl and then slowly cut the space (step forward or whatever and close the distance between your faces), the sexual tension ramps up through the fucking roof and she melts into a giggly mess.
Strippers understand these concepts, that’s why when they approach you for a dance they lock eye-contact, talk low/slow/sexy and cut the space between your faces. The good ones who make money at least lol
“Maybe I’ll go for moving near the kiss zone and then flake so I don’t lead them on. If they hold my gaze, they are on about kissing.”
You’re actually kind of describing what I’m describing, but you’re describing it the same way a Natural would where it’s kind of vague like you do it naturally and understand that it’s doing something right…all the stuff I’ve linked above in my low-energy comment with the videos and this “magic bubble” talk etc is just a really technical description of what you do, broken down into steps that can be consciously executed to get consistent results.
So you’re already kind of doing the “magic bubble” instinctively. 🙂 Play around with it and have fun…the girls LOVE the feeling of all this, it’s like an emotional orgasm for them and makes them feel alive.
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@YaReally
…thanks for the vid links…
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@YaReally
hey, i got one through the stack!…lol…lost three or so (to reco and some others)…let’s try some more ‘shortys’…lol…
re James Marshall vid at 1:37…my instincts must be getting waaay better cuz i’m really disappointed at blonde guy in the background for not spinning out that brunette on the right…lol…that’s what i would have done…lol…
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@YaReally
…body language check to see if i’m reading right…what do you think?
…james marshall in vegas vid…starting at :54, brunette on the right wants ‘out’ and is ready to play…and she’s directing it at blonde guy… she just needs an excuse to go…
then blonde guy blows the invite at 1:37…her head tips… annnnddd she’s out…lol…(hamster says….F U doucheboy…lol…)
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@YaReally
low energy is my natural state. i’m older, plus when i was working through my development it was more natural to just ‘shut down’ the energy to control the fight/flight reaction to being way out of my comfort zone. i think it also is a natural byproduct of just sitting out in venues and watching people’s body language when they interact…
if you couldn’t tell… that ‘only PUA gods can pull top girls’ crap kind of sets me off…lol…HUGH disservice to guys willing to work on getting better…
just a note for those guys trying to get better…this shit works. so much so that after about 2 years of hard work (last summer) i can just ‘look’ at a girl and get her to start thinking about sex with me and have her start throwing off IOI’s to get together, including the ‘head fake’ to go somewhere private…lol…happened last summer at a camping situ…lol…(tight thin blonde, early 20’s, about a 7…no visible tats but i’d lay odds….lol) didn’t pursue cuz i had my kid sitting on my lap…lol…
let’s see if this one gets through…lol…
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@YaReally
just watched the james marshall in vegas again and just wanted to note that guys have hamsters too…lol… watch blonde guy at 1:37…he reacts (his hamster) to brunette withdrawing her offer…lol…
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@YaReally
“But the stuff they’re demonstrating in this video builds just as much (if not more) connection and rapport with people as crazy frat boy RSD high-energy stuff.”
“But once I started just embracing a lower energy and focusing on laser eye-contact and magic bubbles and all that shit, I realized that James/Liam/Gambler etc. are actually spouting fucking gold lol”
day game energy for the win!…
the dynamic in play here (with high energy v low energy) seems to be that if you ping a girl in a club that’s in a high energy state, where she having fun and not interested in sex right now…you have to build enough comfort with her to get her home, so you have to first transition her to a low energy comfort build stage to do that.
that’s tough to pull off if you’re high energy state too cuz the timing is usually off. if she’s not ready for that low energy state now cuz she’s still having fun, you can’t just follow her around til she’s ready…that’s HUGH beta/omega cue…lol…
you have to either get her at her transition point when she starts to naturally come back to a low energy state prior to going home (bar close/bounce to new venue/etc) or transition her down enough to get some isolation going… or you have to demonstrate enough DHV to ping her hamster to be interested RIGHT NOW…lol…that’s tough to ping hot girls by showing you have a SMV 3 points up…lol…
if you start at low energy, and get her into your bubble (and hold your frame long enough to get her energy down (which in itself is an alpha cue)), you can be ahead of the game (so to speak…lol)…cuz it’s not a transition for YOU since you start there anyway, so it doesn’t seem like a ‘transition’ for her, since she pings off her surroundings for her emotional cues…then the issue there is the same for day game, you can’t show beta cues while you do that, etc…
so, if all that shit is true…lol…i think i just figured out the basis of solid night game…lol…
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damn…got one stuck in moderation…oh well, better than being eaten by the stack…lol…
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@thrust
Actually, since you’re a bouncer at a high-end club:
Are there any guys you let skip the lines or generally let get away with shit that you wouldn’t let the random douchey frat guy get away with? Or guys that you notice other bouncers let in? What would you say differentiates them from randoms? What triggers you going “sorry, dress code” to a group of dudes or doing the “hold the line up until they get frustrated and leave” move, VS customers you’re genuinely glad show up that night?
Same questions with chicks. What makes you go “not a fucking chance” in your head to a chick wanting to get in, VS letting them skip the line?
Some guys have never been to these kinds of venues and this kind of stuff is all completely foreign and intimidating to them so some general advice might help them out.
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@ work – I’ll give you my take later this evening.
However, I do not work door – prefer to be the boss inside where the chaos is, so my answer may be altered.
I’ll tell you one thing – I’m a dog at sniffing out shallow flattery from both sexes.
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Didn’t have the time I wanted to on this, though here goes:
If you’re tight with the owner – which in this city, the owner owns 25% of commercial property – then I have to be liberal with you. You receive a longer leash.
With chicks, very few get anything but a “not a fucking chance” from me. Unless I am, or will, be fucking you/blowjob etc. Girls think that just by flirting with me (shallow flattery) they will gain access to what I’m exempting from them. Highly unlikely that will work with me.
Exception is, you are extremely tight with the owner, which in itself is a shit-show trying to figure out if they’re legit or not. Usually I still don’t give a shit – and then they go bitch to the owner, and then he gets pissy at me, and gives me the ‘ok’. I don’t care. This is usually for V.I.P access, line bumps etc..
In essence – a bouncer – the ones who aren’t whipped/swayed easily – are like your typical HB9-10. Until you show me that you’re more than just a pretty face, or you’re a dude in a nice suit, I do not give a fuck about you. You’re below me. Worthless. Fuck off. What else you got.
However, I recall YaReally mentioning tips on how to befriend bouncers, and I recall agreeing with it. As long as you don’t blab on endlessly to me, you get to the point in a polite manner, and empathize with my situation (sometimes this one backfires) then I will give you time of day. Tryhards are easy to spot for me, so be genuine without seeming like there’s an obvious means to an end with this.
No time to proof read so I’m hoping this makes some sense!
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“Are there any guys you let skip the lines or generally let get away with shit that you wouldn’t let the random douchey frat guy get away with?”
Guys that empathize with the situation they fucked up in. They apologize, and genuinely show concern for making one of their matters come to my personal attention.
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Yeah, always make friends with the guy at the door. Memorize his name, Give him a firm handshake. Look him in the eye when you speak with him. He has a real dayjob. Ask him about it. He’s away from his kids when he’s working nights. Ask him how he feels about that. Empathize with these guys.
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@thrust
Thanks for the insight. Ya, a big part of it to me is sincerity. That’s why I stressed somewhere up above that my mindset isn’t “ugh I guess I have to talk to this person so I can get the shit I want down the road but ugh this is such a chore having to pretend to be interested”, because you’re going to sniff that out instantly the same way hot girls do. I look at it like “this is another human being, and ya maybe he’ll let me skip the line down the road and that’s cool and everything, but I’m not going to ask for it or expect it and I’m going to actually find something interesting that we can connect on or crack a joke that makes him chuckle and breaks up the monotony of having to deal with all the drunk idiots tonight and relate to his night or if I get in trouble apologize for breaking the rules etc.”
Like it’s the same thing with girls…taking a legitimate interest in them. I’m not really a “man’s man” type, I don’t know shit about sports or trucks or anything, so I don’t bother asking about that shit and trying to fake interest…I fish around until I find something we CAN connect on, like the social dynamics of drunk people or videogames or whatever where I don’t have to nod my head pretending to listen, I’m actually engaged and curious about their perspective or what they have to say.
And ya, it’s targeted, like I know cracking a joke to a bouncer or chatting with the manager or if I see some dude with bottle service go for a lap around the bar and I chat him up as if I don’t realize he’s got a VIP spot, that’s completely intentional…but that doesn’t mean that I’m not actually taking an interest in them or what they have to say or trying to provide good vibes and good energy to them to give my own value to them.
It’s like if I was on a bus and some fat old homeless guy or something sat beside me and started talking to me, sure I’m not going to become his BFF or anything, but for that bus ride I would genuinely try to connect with him and find something we can both riff off where both our days are better for having had that conversation.
The point asdgamer makes about him being a real person and having another job and bouncing taking away from time he could spend with his kids etc. is a good one too. A lot of people have a very “these are just faceless bottom of the barrel peasants compared to me” view of staff and people pick up on that attitude instantly. Personally I think everyone should work a job in customer service of some kind for a year, just to learn what it’s like on the other side and how to relate to people doing those jobs.
Anyway ya thanks for the response. For anyone wanting more insight on how bars look from a bouncer’s perspective I found this old gem:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-22626.html
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@thrust
Also I lol’ed that you don’t give chicks any kind of special treatment ’cause I knew that would be your answer. A close buddy/wingman of mine took a bouncer job for a while and he would tell me all sorts of stories of chicks trying to get away with bullshit and him having to smack them down…and then of course they want to fuck him after he calls them out on their shit lol
Job made him too angry tho, he couldn’t relax when we’d go out to party ’cause his radar was hyperfocused on every drunk dude stumbling around and every pint glass that drops etc. and go into bouncer frown mode instead of the chill happy-go-lucky smile-on-his-face guy that he normally was that girls loved. He ended up quitting because of this (he’s a huge poon-hound so if it was interfering with his getting laid it had to go).
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“Job made him too angry tho, he couldn’t relax when we’d go out to party ’cause his radar was hyperfocused on every drunk dude stumbling around and every pint glass that drops etc. and go into bouncer frown mode instead of the chill happy-go-lucky smile-on-his-face guy that he normally was that girls loved. He ended up quitting because of this (he’s a huge poon-hound so if it was interfering with his getting laid it had to go).”
Heh, yea this is me. Last night was honestly the first time I wasn’t ‘hyperfocused’ on the environment – I was too focused on improving my game, transitioning to lower-energy and eye fucking every girl I found attractive. I live downtown, like literally 100ft ft from the club, so I gave a couple buddies my 2nd set of keys so they could take a lady-of-the-evening up there to ravish – then come back 20mins later for a vodka tonic.
I became a bouncer to fight fire with fire. I’m not a club guy, so rather than hate on the scene, I joined it. Over 3+ years, my body eventually transformed from 5’8” 180lbs to 210lbs, making it easier for me to obtain instant respect among patrons, and take care of shitheads with little to no fanfare.
As a side note – it’s funny – as much as I bitch about shallow flattery – the one I’ll never forget, wasn’t from a club slut, but a mid-30’s straight dude simply making an observation on my appearance. The guy was just a straight up cool cat – totally genuine without any obvious outcome dependence – so I said fuck it, and let him into VIP upstairs after cut-off.
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“One 12-year-old girl said: “The internet nearly always controls my actions. I have been told that I am addicted to the internet, and prefer its company rather than being with other people. I feel lost without the internet.”
The next generation of selfie “social” media poon coming to a nightclub near you.
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might just be a gay bar
but really it looks like business is getting done
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If you want to Day Game, you can’t beat your local high-end grocery store.
Wegman’s and Whole Foods are always packed to the brim with hot girls wearing yoga pants looking to get their expensive organic crackers and free range goat cheese.
Target is a decent spot as well if you don’t have either of those in your vicinity.
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Hell yeah, Whole Foods is a goldmine. I find myself having to run out to “get milk” quite often these days if you know what I mean.
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Also try organic pet food stores–the high-end ones, usually indie. Same yoga-pant-wearing opportunities, but ya can bring along your four-legged wingman.
(“Organic pet food is like a cult, and in many cases a scam, but ever since I made her grain-and-chicken-free, we haven’t had that eye discharge her breed is known for. Today, I’m switching out her venison and oatmeal for wild boar…”)
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If your tastes are more provincial, as mine are, consider mid-range pet supply stores such as PetCo.
My oddest most recent experience in a reputable pet store was walking in, an employee shoving a pet in my arms, and then walking off, leaving me to walk around the store with an adorable designer dog. I chanced upon a girl who asked me what it was. I made something up. A homosexual gentleman sauntered over and struck up conversation with both of us, and then dropped remarks about how cute the two of us are together, and then was gone as soon as he came.
She ended up buying the dog and inviting me over to her place to play with the puppy. Uh huh.
Total cost: $0. I also got to play with some cute puppies.
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1) I’d say that per capita, Austin has more hot chicks than NYC.
2) The day I actually start believing that a bouncer is ‘above me’ in some fashion is the day I voluntarily snack on strychnine.
3) Night ‘game’ certainly ain’t what it used to be, but in many cases, bars and night clubs are the ONLY places worth going to if you’re looking for semi-reasonable numbers of attractive, potentially available women of dateable age.
In this area, you essentially have 3 types of clubs, Top 40/Hip Hop, Latin (Salsa) and Country. If you’re a White guy past college age who isn’t a ‘gangsta’ (real or pretend), Country is pretty much your only realistic option. You can have some interesting experiences in the Salsa or Rap clubs, but you’re about as welcome there as a warthog with Ebola. How ‘red state’ the girls in the Country clubs are is debatable, this is a ‘swing’ state (currently ‘red’), a lot of people also go there simply because the Rap clubs are too ghetto and the Latin clubs are….well, very Latin……the only non-Hispanics who are welcome there are – you guessed it – pretty White girls. In other words, lots of non-Country people in the Country bars. As everywhere else, the hugely, overwhelmingly crushing majority of the good ones (7+) are taken and not willing to forget that they have a husband/fiancé/boyfriend unless you are LeBron James or Donald Trump. Nevertheless, one must go back there, because, as stated above, there is NO other option.
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or any Target closest to campus….bitches LOVE target.
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You know what else bitches love?
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“You know what else bitches love?”
Consensual candlelit coitus preceded by tender and generous cunnilingus?
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Poetry and moonlight serenades? Chocolate? Roses? nope… Starts with R ends with E…
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The university in my city has a special student discount program with target. Always nice scenery. Some cities have targets that aren’t any different than walmart though.
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Another recent phenomena which is additional point of contention for the nighttime venue player – the fact that trolling hordes of chicks are only hitting clubs to take 100 pics there and post the best few on Instagram, giving them vastly more aggregate validation than if every dude in the club profusely hit on them.
If you are a venue owner, and you don’t have that ‘celebrity backdrop photo booth’ with your venue name all over said backdrop, you are pissing money away.
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ya CH a whole ‘nother topic is how instagram is even 300% more ridiculous than FB ever was. there girls (like my ex GF) simply put up their pics for the world to see and you don’t even have to be their “friend” to see them. i guess it can be made private or invite only but no girl does that.
instagram just skips the formalities of facebook and gets straight to 100% admitted attention whoring without any need for “status updates”
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Re Roosh’s story…
That’s been my experience too… if a woman calls you jerk, asshole, creep or loser you might still be in the game, but if she calls you ‘good’ or nice’ you might as well move on, ’cause you ain’t getting none from her.
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Don’t forget “mean”. Or her saying “I hate you”.
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Not necessarily. I’ve had my share of girls say they I’m so bad becauseI pretended to be good right before we bang. Now obviously per CH/Mystery/Style/Roosh PUA doctrine, sometimes things have to be explicitly sexual before you bring a girl back or have them come to your bedroom to “watch HBO” BUT, I have also found that being “good” and gaining a girl’s trust then rapidly turning things sexual when the moment is right has benefited me on numerous occasions.
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It’s not so much “dying” as “on the wane.” As guys get less lucky at night game, they will stop going out, and, ergo, night game will improve for those who continue to go out and are good at game.
I think chicks are staying in more due to the economy and guys employing basic game. Chicks simply don’t have the money anymore to go out, and guys don’t have the money to pay for EVERYTHING. What is more, many guys have learned the basic truth that buying a women drinks/food=beta chump loser, and have ejected from it. Since women can’t get as much free shit anymore from beta schlubs, they don’t go out.
Or it could have been the area. Locales change frequently; what was target-rich becomes known and old. It’s hard for men to keep u w/ the hot venues; you have to be attuned to it, since they’re trying to keep dudes out.
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They don’t need to, girls nowadays have a HUGE range of blokes to pick from in their Facebook / whatever circles. They all (even the “sweet” ones) have at least one “friend” they can also call up at any time they feel lonely / horny.
And if all that fails, they can simply go on tinder or whatever “dating” site they please, put absolutely 0 effort in, (no profile info, no pictures) and get literally HUNDREDS of messages within a few minutes, from blokes willing to drive across half the country to them. (Doesn’t take that long in England).
They don’t need to go to clubs or whatever anymore. The few I know that do, do so for a bit of an ego boost or to see their friends and take some pictures to show them being “crazy” for their facebooks. For their fucks, attention or whatever else, they can expect guys to just go all the way to their house at 3am or whenever they need at the simple press of a button. Simple, cheap, costs 0 effort on their part, and they can select the bloke.
A lot I have seen too are on multiple sites, one for “dating” (making out they’re looking for “Mr Right” etc), and another on some swinging site or other for sex. I used to think that sorta thing was more for the older, more adventures crowd, but it’s certainly being used by the younger girls too, either to easy find random guys when they want, or go get gangbanged and “work out their kinks” as one put it…
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That would explain the stunning success of Tinder lately. Of course, you’re going to end up with women who are addicted to ego validation, but it’s a shockingly reliable source of lays with a minimal amount of effort (fake pictures, fake profile, standard text game techniques).
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Roosh needs to get the f#ck out of DC. That place is the problem (unless as YaR said, you go to high-end clubs where the younger crowds are. If I had to guess, everyone in the photo is above 30.).
Parking sucks, metro sucks, trouble everywhere. People stay in the burbs where the hot girls are. Night game isn’t dead – Roosh’s positivity and venue are practically dead. And don’t forget that DC is a liberal bastion. All the girls are off getting abortions and protesting, between walking their dogs.
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everything about DC sucks. I’ve seen too many bars that look like that picture. Of course, then you go to L2 or that hidden preppy bar in GT and see where the concubinabe is taking place. Just go north to Bmore, it’s actually an easier drive and the chicks are better.
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The standards are a bit lower too and they are bit more chill. You don’t have the power-hungry lawyer-cunts who are looking to bang the guy with the highest security clearest or GS rating they can find.
I went to a friend’s Christmas party in DC last year and nearly 2/5 girls there were lawyer-chicks. It was insufferable.
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DC girls in their 20’s are just waiting for their 30’s to hit so they can be bitter about wasting their 20’s doing whatever it is they did there.
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dam my bitch called me already out jail
she fuckin superwoman
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says they took her hospital fucking nikita and shit
step one be white chick
step 2 ?
step 3 get out of anything
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with the two billionaires fighting over a white chick can ya imagine when we really a minority everywhere how much power they will have holy shit
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so ahh she wants me to visit what should I do
he he he
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Oh, how clever, doing the “step one X, step one ?, then win” joke. You didn’t get that from an endless line of imitators on other websites all wanting to sound clever, oh no.
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hey arbiter thanks for the rush of adrenaline I actually wanted to kick your ass right now
pretty cool haven’t had that in a bit
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that was actually humorous, get the stick out of your ass underbiter. forever bitching.
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yea arbiter kind of guy who would have problem with someone copying haiku format too he he he
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Arbiter is a punk.
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holy shit lol I went to see her she said I texted 900 times wtf have I been on another planet
i said I sent longest string of texts ever I guess so
so apparently other way to get what you want just be obsessive
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I just keep laughing shit fucking hillarious
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I fucking love this shit the whole process
its like you can just see the fucking shit unfold and this bitch just becoming yours in every fucking way imaginable
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she wanted to fuck me in hospital I declined
did let her climb in my lap though
hospital gowns kind of cute with the little ass hanging out
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@ gunslingergregi, ballocaust, driveallnight, LOL A loser using different handles to spout his crap. Poor little Black, did I hurt your feelings? Love it. Typical of non-White whiners, bitching about White women and “racists” etc, and then flying off the handle, showing exactly why you can’t get any. Go ahead, little boy, type more of the same when you have stopped chewing the carpet.
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ya got me wonderin now maybe I am black
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‘This is why night game is dying’
Respectful disagreement. Night game has never been better. Roosh doesn’t strike me as the kind of cat who really knows where the ‘good’ bars are, anyway. Not saying that as a dig against him, it just doesn’t seem to be his priority. Plus, it takes a little bit of sarging in an area and trying to select appropriate venues to find the sweet spots. Roosh seems like he’s more concerned with other pursuits.
But at this point, I know of four bars I could pop into solo or with friends and do pretty well with on any given weeknight. Only problem is that, while the girls are young, they’re mostly 6-7’s. The 8’s tend to be at higher end places — like clubs.
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Um…Roosh prioritizes “target-rich” environments. In his books, he mentions that this is a very key aspect of game, and that you need to constantly evolve. I think your analysis is off.
Roosh, prefers clubs, not bars. But bars these days in the Northeast are bad, too. College bars are better, but only if you’re young or can plausibly be there–“I go to grad school here”, “I know the owner”, “I;m a visiting professor”, “I’m visiting my younger cousin”, etc. Past 27 or so,, you’re the old guy at the bar, and without an excuse, it’s not good pickings.
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“Past 27 or so,, you’re the old guy at the bar, and without an excuse, it’s not good pickings.”
not even. w tight game, you take em home. the young dudes are pussy beta and want the relationship. well, 95% of em.
be the man who doesn’t make them feel obligated to something more….bang furiously.
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Or you can….rape!
I’m back, baby!
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Clubbing is a mircocosm of the bonobo masturbation society. Yeah, gaming past a velvet rope means you “deserve” hot pussy in 2014 America.
So take your scarce time and attention and use it to be the shiniest object to an ADD girl from a broken home and maybe you’ll enjoy a ten second orgasm at the end of the night.
Yeah, this enjoying the decline. Go ahead. You deserve it.
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I wish I could have a ten second orgasm. what’s the secret man?
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he forgot to add that the ADD girl was an HB9 and consequently, you will go Krakatoa inside of her. Great pitch for clubbing, I say.
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I personally can’t wait for the final collapse. This journey towards it is getting old.
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Have to agree pussy is kinda boring after a while.
“Now some men like the fishing and some men like the fowling. And some men like to hear, to hear the cannonball a-roaring”
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Never heard about bonobos until just lately. Do they have to be mentioned so often now? Apparently it’s a thing among feminists, who pretend that we come from bonobos, so that our natural behavior would be homosexual sex and “matriarchy”. Thing is, the evolutionary tree branched long before that. Bonobos are related to chimps but not to humans. And bonobos are inferior creatures that could only survive in a small area where they have no competition.
The “patriarchical” chimpanzees, who have wars for territory (evil! say the feminists) live in a much tougher environment with competition from other apes, gorillas and orangutans, so they have to kill or be killed. Bonobos are like pacifists who live in peacetime where their attitude never has to be put to the test.
Bonobo “matriarchy” is simply that the females get together to attack single males sometimes. This could be less about matriarchy and more about the men letting the women get away with it for the sake of preserving the peace. But note, once food is scarce, at least one bonobo ape that had been picked on by the females suddenly fought back hard and successfully in order to get to the food.
Their homosexual behavior, by the way, is something shown when they are studied at the zoo. Yes, that’s where almost all research on these apes comes from, studying them in a caged environment. There have been those who have spent many months out by their natural environment and only seen them a few hours combined – because as soon as the bonobos spot the human, they run. Then there are the less serious observers, feminists who go out there, stay a short while, at the most get a picture or two of a bonobo, and then go back home to hold speeches to feminists about what a great matriarchal society the bonobo, “our ancestors”, have.
The name bonobo, by the way, comes from a misspelling of the destination for a shipping crate that was going to Bolobo in Zaire. Kind of typical for the entire bonobo mythology.
Just an aside about the bonobo hysteria. Remember that when you see them held up as an example.
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> “Apparently it’s a thing among feminists, who pretend that we come from bonobos, so that our natural behavior would be homosexual sex and “matriarchy”.”
Uhh, dude, you just described about 100% of the native negroid population of Africa.
A “Biological Calvinist” [someone who suspects that morality might have a largely genetic foundation] might argue that one of the Great Leaps Forward for the White Species was the appearance of genes which produced a strong propensity for patriarchal, heterosexual and monogamous behavior.
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Building on what you were writing about the Bonobos: they’re built up as “homosexual”, yet they’re really bisexual females. The girls just fuck everybody all the time.
Learned an interesting point some time in the past: there are some 400 species that exhibit some homosexual behavior. There is only one species that exhibits exclusive homosexual behavior.
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Gallery openings.
Museum openings.
There is at least some preselection, many of the younger women are well dressed, appropriately educated and if you have a smattering of art lingo you are part of the club. Most of the chicks are looking for a guy outside the artworld to beta but you are King of a very attractive heap if you have a couple of bucks.
If you are right wing and still receptive to art you are immediately fete’d for donation and attention.
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No kidding. I told a young lady to meet me at a museum, which just happens to be free, and I actually like art.
When I got there, they just happened to be holding a concert specialising in period instruments (I think the theme the night I was there was baroque instruments).
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Classical Music Poontang:
* Sired within good families – CHECK.
* Talented – CHECK.
* Lonely – CHECK.
* Horny as hell – CHECK.
Dude, them wombs is just sitting there waiting to be impregnated by your righteous Alpha Seed.
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It has always puzzled me what women do in the evenings: are they really washing their hair or watching television, because that Bar scene in the photo looks so familiar to me; this is why one needs really tight Game laced with lots of Negs. The real advantage of Night Game is they need to go to bed afterwards and there is your opportunity.
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For whatever it’s worth, I rarely see that skewed of a ratio in that kind of bar, and I lived in NYC and have spent a lot of time in Boston. Maybe it’s a DC thing. But generally speaking that’s not the type of bar young girls are going to hang in all night, unless you’re in a smallish college town where the clubs are cheesy. Otherwise the girls are going to go to the higher end clubs where they can dance.
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read:
dancing feels good so i do it.
being creeped feels bad so i dont do it.
= i make whatever decision is placed in front of me that makes me FEEL BEST.
adapt or die dudes.
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For general access venues, night game is dead indeed.
Average girls have not much money left after living, clothing and makeup expenses; seldomly go to general access venues and mostly end at a friend’s place or stay at home with their bf/fwb/cat watching netflix.
Ugly girls stay at home or go to a friend’s place since they have little disposable income and no man is paying them shit.
Hot girls go to high-end clubs since by being hot they don’t pay for shit, and their living expenses are taken care of by a good job, father or provider.
Normal guys have the money to go to general access venues where average and ugly girls sometimes go out, and hot girls never go, therefore mostly end at a friend’s place or stay at home watching netflix/porn.
Average guys may go to a high-end club once every months, but paying for bottle service and getting no pussy is terrible and expensive, so most stop doing that by their late 20s.
Guys with lots of disposable income go to high end clubs, where the hot girls are, and there, sometines get pussy because bad game.
Guys with game and valuable social circles go to high end clubs and fuck the hot girls while the rich guys pay for the bottles.
That is why online dating is not only exploding, but will become the norm for most men and women over 25 and out of the college scene. Exceptions will be hot women, rich guys and players with valuable social circles.
As for roosh, I highly doubt he has the money or valuable social circles to get into high end clubs anywhere. For a fact, I don’t.
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I’m not sure it was ever alive. The last time I was a regular denizen of clubs was when I was 18, in Montréal, and on an expense account. I wasn’t there to meet girls–I just wanted to drink and go someplace enough the staff would remember who I was. Eventually, I could get in on nights besides Tuesdays or Wednesdays.
But I had better luck flirting with the girls on the staff of my hotel than I did being in attendance at a legitimate large-city club.
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FR 40YO Blond Nurse last night. This was very easy compared to the silliness of the last few days. History I met her back a few weeks ago and she was cool friendly kind of laid back. She is a MILF with three kids and lot on her plate. No husband or father for her kids. I am sure she sees the potential to hitch her wagon to Reco’s star and I encourage that in her but it aint gonna happen. Lol So had a first date about three weeks ago and met in a park had a nice talk and walk. Lots of flirting sexy talk, touching and making out. She sent me sexy photos and more flirting. But we do not talk and text every day. We are both busy and I am learning my alpha chops do not contact unless it moves the interaction forward.
So she was healing up from her surgery anyway. Then we scheduled last night. I am in her town and I tell her not ask her to meet me at the hotel bar for a drink first. I am figuring I will have a couple of drinks and some flirting touching and kissing then tell her to come up to my room for a bit before we go out. Then move in for the kill. Did not have to do this it was too easy. She was already comfortable with me and told me so. So she gets to the hotel early and I tell her to just come up. She does right away no hesitation this was about 5PM. She is in my room for about three minutes with small talk before I kiss her. And right away she is totally into it, moaning and whimpering.
She has this beautiful wild curly blond hair real soft and I wanted to get a hold of some of that. So I grabbed it at the base and then started kissing her really hard. She responded even more. I put my arm around the small of her back and pulled her in close to me she love this too. So then we are still standing fully clothed in the room. So then I pull away and put my hand on her throat. And now she really gets excited. I did this several times and after a while when I got near her throat she would just tilt her head all the way back completely exposing herself so I could grab her throat more and harder. At one point I had her throat in one hand and the back of her head in the other kissing her forcefully and she is getting more Horney. Then I shoved my hand down her panties and she is very wet already.
I then push her on the bed. And it just gets better from there. The sex was awesome. She was going nuts and she is a squirter. Which was really cool also. Don’t get a lot of those. I went into all of this detail because with this one. Most of the seduction was during sex. She was coming hard and a lot, her pussy would completely clamp down on my fingers. Pretty damn tight for a 40YO with three kids under her belt. But she has a really nice body. I giver her maybe a 6.5 in the face and 8 on the body. After fucking we are laying in bed and she is telling me all of the shit that is going on in her life. And I am not saying anything but I need to know how to handle this. Don’t want to be her emotional tampon and have her categorize me as a beta that she likes to fuck. Any suggestions? Just change the subject?
We went to dinner after that. Had a good time. Drank some wine ate some sushi. There was a little testing but it was so minor it was barely noticeable. I did not react when she said silly shit. Took her back to the room and fucked her really hard again. She is really good in bed she sucks great dick. And is ready to go again. By 7:30 it was time for her to go and she was fine with it. We talked about getting together next week. But never set a date or time. And it is the afternoon of the next day and I have not contacted her. I will wait another day. Don’t want to set a needy precedent. Predicting she will be willing to be fucked next week easily. She told me several times how great the sex was. It sure was cool to get some good fucks in after the nutty week I have had. Yes I need a little rest this weekend. Critique? Hhow did I do?
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@reco I’ll offer my pov.
Dude you discovered game and it’s like this super-power. You feel like you can bang anything and you have: 26 year old hotties…now…..this:
6.5 face? We don’t give decimal points, we round down.
But you banged her….well done.
She’s 40, a cougar, it’s a notch. Don’t get too emotionally involved or second-guess what you’re doing.
Just be cool. If you bang a chick and you want to see her, then see her. If you don’t then don’t.
I banged a 30 year old a few weeks back. I’d say 6 face cute body.
We banged, she stayed over, left.
A few weeks later I felt like getting banged, texted, we met up at a bar. She knew the deal, back to my place, blew me. Bed, left the next morning.
No drama. No texts. There’s nothing complicated about this situation unless I make it so. Same with yours.
The hotter girls are more trouble.
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@walawala thanks I like that. Keep it simple. Text when you want to meet hang out bang. Definetly not emotionally involved. But remember she may be 40 but she is 10 years younger than me.
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@reco @walawala
lol was just about to say, remember dude is *50+*. Not many 50yos out there are banging ANYTHING, esp that fast with that little effort and apparently a cool personality. They’re on eHarmony finding girls to take on dates and shit hoping their dick still works.
Even if she’s not that hot, it’s all baby steps toward the hotter ones for a guy starting out at this. Especially after the chaos of dealing with that 26yo this week, like shit, enjoy a nice drama-free bang lol
@reco
Be careful to use condoms etc. ’cause she’ll try to trap you with a pregnancy (or make up a fake one) and don’t bang her more than once every week or two…closer to two weeks, ’cause she doesn’t have other options since she’s old (lol) and you were good sex for her. So you can do every 2 weeks and she won’t bail. She’s going to be looking to woo you so if you combine her natural intent to land you with the oxytocin of banging you multiple times a week, she’s gonna fall in looooove and you don’t want to deal with that shit.
I always shoot a txt after they leave that’s like “get home safe” or whatever. Juuuust so she doesn’t get Buyer’s Remorse about the night and think I think she’s a slut or a one-off etc. But if you guys don’t txt much normally, then don’t worry about it, shoot a txt next week sometime with something flirty if she hasn’t txted you.
That cuddling and blabbing shit is what prevents Buyer’s Remorse with a lay that happens that fast/easy. Like she needs to vent about her life and shit so she can tell herself that you KNOW her and she’s not a slut lol Just nod your head and joke around and ask her some questions about whatever’s on your mind (a great Q to ask is “when did you know you wanted to sleep with me?”, you can learn a lot from that question).
You won’t get put into a beta frame listening to her blabbing after sex because you had sex lol If you listened to that shit WITHOUT having sex, then you’re in the beta frame. But if you bang her out, ya she’s earned your attention for a bit, it’s cool, not supplicative.
Props and congrats dude! I bought plastic sheets under my bed sheet because of squirters lol
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@yareally thanks again brother. You cannot know how much this has helped me. Talk about adding value. I always try to help out my friends if I can and sometimes strangers. And your good Karma just pushes me even more.
Oh and your comments about her googling me and searching the web for me. Made my asshole pucker up tight. No lie. But I am careful.
Last night was really cool and low key and fun. And the sex was fucking wild. She writhed on that bed like a fucking snake begging me to fuck her. Couple of text questions.
So 40YO Nurse texted me this afternoon and said she was thinking about me and had a great time last night. First contact since the bang. How would you respond.
Also got a “good morning love” from my 33YOprude this morning. I waited about three hours and texted back “good morning cutie busy day.” was that good? want to be aloof but not too distant either. She is pretty cool once you get past her quirkiness. And she is cute.
@HABD also thanks to you brother for your help. You really know this shit. And you sniffed out the in-congruence in my story about the 26YOcocky one earlier today. That is why I had to add more context to it. Hope that helps with the analysis. About the wife game thing:
Recommend any other strategies? ”
need more info…how’s the sex? porn star shit or blaaahhhh (normal beta stuff?)…does she qualify herself to you when she disagrees with you? does your opinion on the children or where she sends money or what she buys for you to eat, etc. trump hers? these things need to get fixed if the answer is no…
Answer is I have always had a bit of dominance in the house but ultimately I lost most of the battles because I had no clue what was going on. My father was a true Alpha. A real man. The kind of man that other men feared. And he had absolutely no regard for consequences when another man crossed him. I have seen it personally. The last incident was when a younger (50YO) man said some shit to him when my father was 73 and my father tried to pull the poor fucker out the window of his truck. I had to pull my dad off of him and the guy sped away. So I was watching that growing up. But I never knew how to apply anything. Plus there was no such thing as game when I was growing up. So I only had vague feelings on how things should be.
So in my marriage I was getting manipulated all the time. And being 4th to other people in my wife’s life. Now that has changed significantly. I do not take shit from her and she never gives me shit any more. She does not even complain about anything anymore. She is a woman and has her radar up about me cheating but she has absolutely no idea what is going on. And she has no way to know. Short of hiring a private detective. Even then it would be tough. And I will not go into details because of my own security. I think she feels the pressure of my spinning plates. Since my changes these last few months the sex has been off the charts. Porn star? I don’t know. I don’t watch porn or jack off anymore. Both of those will kill your drive and suck all of the testosterone out of you. I save it for real women.
But I will tell you this. She comes after me for sex all the time now. And I have gotten more blowjobs from her in the last two months than in my entire marriage. She is ready anytime anywhere. Money is mostly in my control. I delegated the bills to her a long time ago. But I decide where the money goes and all major purchases. Yes she cooks dinner and she works and she does the dishes and laundry. Not sure about the qualifying herself to me.
I honestly believe she thinks something is going on and she knows that she cannot do anything about it. And is afraid to leave since she is getting a really fucking good life.
Any suggestions to tighten it up I am all ears. Thanks.
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@yareally Thanks for the info brother. I appreciate the help. I kind of thought the same thing. She was letting me off the hook. Not escalating it. But left with that mild threat at the end. On to bigger and better things. I got a 2nd date with 33YOprude on Wednesday, that should lead to a bang. I got another session with 40YONurse on Monday for a bang. And I have 20YObrazillian in the que to try to get her reeled in so life is good. Plus I want to try to prospect some. Got to get that down.
@grim what the fuck is your problem. You come on her give me no advice offer no help whatsoever and when you perceive things as being bad for me you pounce. And of course things are not going bad they are going great and I have learned a lot.You didn’t tell me a fucking thing you pussy.You come on here after the fact and now you are all wise? You aint shit. What are you doing? How many approaches did you do this week? How many women did you game? How many people on here did you help? How many hours did you spend on here just talking about it?
I have been on this site for two fucking weeks I did not even know it existed before then. But I went in there and tried it out. A lot. And I will keep trying it out. What the fuck are you doing? You are so transparent. Your envy is dripping off you. Real brave critiquing someone from the protective cloak of the internet. Now I know what it means when they say crabs in a bucket. You fucking crab.
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@reco
“thanks again brother. You cannot know how much this has helped me.”
Happy to have been of help. Massive props to you for taking action on your life. A LOT of guys even *30+* would go “wahhh it’s too late for me, I only just found game, I’m ooooold I can’t do this waaaaahhhh” and spend the next 40 years of their life crying about how life is unfair and they were dealt a shitty hands. I have no respect for that bullshit. You’re in for a fun adventure that’s going to challenge the fuck out of you, but also reward you…and you earned it all by taking action 🙂
“So 40YO Nurse texted me this afternoon and said she was thinking about me and had a great time last night.”
Right, I was curious what would happen here because you said you guys don’t txt much but generally a girl needs some contact with you when she gets home after banging and/or the next day to reassure herself that you weren’t just using her for sex and actually legit would like to see her again sometime. You didn’t txt her so I was wondering if she would txt you or just let things hang but, not surprisingly, she txts and now you understand why.
Ultimately my method is after we bang (however many rounds lol like when we’re officially spent and done for the night), cuddle and shoot the shit for a bit (half hour or so) and then when she leaves I kiss her at the door and tell her to txt me when she gets home so I know she made it safe & sound.
That lets her know 1) I’m a good/caring/protective dude to my girls even if I was an asshole at times during the pickup, 2) she’s impressed/interested me enough for me to give a shit about her well-being specifically, and 3) it gives her an excuse to txt me (guaranteed your 40YO debated txting you and needed some closure to know you don’t think she’s a slut but was worried you would think she was clingy/needy txting you the next day). So it’s kind of a relief to her like “oh, whew, I can contact him with this silly “I made it home safe! I had a great time tonight” thing and now we can talk and I can make sure he wasn’t just using me for a one night stand.
Then I’ll usually compliment her a bit since she’s in a good happy lovey oxytocin state of mind, and txt about “you should see the scratches you left on my back” etc. and I’m actually also secretly trying to get her to txt positive things about what we did so that if anything went wrong and she got massive Buyer’s Remorse or turned out to be a psycho clusterB and she claimed rape, I’d have a solid txt trail of her admitting she enjoyed everything (I ESPECIALLY do this if I do rough/rape-play sex where I left marks on her).
I do this with every girl I bang every time they come over, whether they’re regular fuckbuddies or really are legitimately a one night stand to me that I don’t intend to hook up with again (I do the slow fade away and be “too busy with work” or “got back together with my ex to try to work things out” etc.) so they aren’t pissed lol
For new girls I’ll also initiate a txt the next day. It’ll be something sexual about the night before like “god I’m half asleep at my desk. You wore me out, woman. I should spank you for that. ;)” and get a little flirt going and that lets her know that ok we’re good and she’s not a slut bla bla and basically assuages all her fears.
This is like, standard procedure for me. I highly recommend it…it’s a big part of why I don’t get crazy drama or girls pissed off and hating me etc. even if I don’t hook up with them again. Because I manage their feelings and I give them just enough comfort to be glad they slept with me but not so much comfort that they fall in love right away. I basically make sure hooking up with me was a fun experience instead of something that causes them anxiety and regret and guilt and remorse.
A lot of Naturals aren’t as delicate with this stuff and don’t really give a shit about how the girl feels or how she viewed the hookup etc. But that’s why when my Natural buddy runs into girls he’s slept with at the bar they scowl at him and tell their girlfriends he’s an asshole (he still ends up boning them and/or her tho lol) and generally cause drama for him, and when I run into girls I’ve slept with at the bar they’re warm and friendly and happy to see me and hope I’ll let them come home with me that night.
“First contact since the bang. How would you respond.”
Reply as soon as you can and relieve her anxiety. I like to keep things light and sexual and joke around, so I use stuff like “you should see the scratch marks you left on my back ;)” or “I think my mattress is still drying out ;)” etc. where I’m keeping our conversations sexual in nature because I’m not her boyfriend and don’t want to txt to talk about the weather, she has girlfriends and boyfriends (and a husband sometimes lol) to txt about that shit with. I basically train her that if she txts me, I’m going to turn the conversation sexual, don’t bother me with idle chit-chat I have shit to do.
So joke and flirt a bit. Make definite plans to hang out again if you want, but I like to keep things vague and just be like “I’ll txt you next week and we’ll figure out our schedules to meet up again” and then I can invite her over whenever. You can just invite her to your hotel room now, you don’t have to go down and have drinks or anything if you don’t want to (but if you enjoy that, go for it).
“Also got a “good morning love” from my 33YOprude this morning. I waited about three hours and texted back “good morning cutie busy day.” was that good? want to be aloof but not too distant either. She is pretty cool once you get past her quirkiness. And she is cute.”
She’s a sweet girl. She’ll fall in love FAST. Sleeping with her might actually push her over the edge into “love” (which isn’t really love just initial infatuation/lust/etc.) because as a prude she’ll be looking to rationalize sleeping with you and her brain will say “well only sluts sleep with guys they aren’t in love with, so if I slept with him I must be in love”. That’s an actual thought process their hamster has lol it’s surreal, but it will make her convince herself she’s in love with you.
So be careful with this one, there’s a good chance you’ll break her heart down the road. Within a couple months of your guys’ first bang. Try to keep a little distance and stress that you’re not boyfriend material or anything.
I actually like to txt girls stuff like “oh no stage 5 clinger alert 😉 lol” (“stage 5 clinger” is from Wedding Crashers, most chicks get the reference because it’s entered the mainstream, watch Wedding Crashers if you haven’t seen it, great movie about offering value and some decent game in it lol) or “oh no you’re in love already? I am going to break your heart lol” and just kind of light-heartedly joke about it in a way that lets her know “k ease up a bit woman, don’t get all lovey dovey on me I’m not available for that”.
“And I will not go into details because of my own security.”
Don’t. We don’t need details. Don’t send pics to anyone saying “oh your girls are probably ugly” etc. either. Keep yourself anonymous. You never know with the Internet these days when it’s going to be like “oh, I recognize that girl’s tattoo” and a whole can of worms is opened on your marriage.
“And I have gotten more blowjobs from her in the last two months than in my entire marriage.”
This made me lol. Props. And from what I’ve heard from guys who take up game when they’re in dead relationships, this is a pretty common side effect of going out and meeting women…your significant other picks up that something about you is changing and suddenly starts putting out more because she’s not as comfortable as she was before with taking you for granted and you exhibit more attractive behaviors around her in general.
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@reco
“So 40YO Nurse texted me this afternoon and said she was thinking about me and had a great time last night. First contact since the bang. How would you respond.”
super alpha = no response (note- might be seen as punishment after first time, since she is sweet and doesn’t really know the score yet…she might get the ONS vibe and …potential buyer’s remorse…)
alpha = “yep…”
lesser alpha = “me too. contact me next wednesday and we’ll set a date for the following week…” (i would go with this one, since it sets the frame, gives you what you want, and it gives her what she wants…an alpha stud to look forward to, that is thinking far enough ahead to plan to see her again…) (here’s a prediction opportunity for you…will she call or text? what motivation would be in her head for doing each one and where does that knowledge lead you in dealing with her? and how would you handle each option?)
take your pick on how you want to proceed…either way, don’t just text back like you were waiting by the phone…lol…
“Also got a “good morning love” from my 33YOprude this morning. I waited about three hours and texted back “good morning cutie busy day.” was that good? want to be aloof but not too distant either.”
the 3 hour wait was good. the text back was ok, with slight beta overtones = good for playing into her frame if that’s what you were going for…(this next stuff is pretty ‘advanced’ theory but you need to see it because thats the goal (and where the ‘art’ comes in in PUA)…see the above texting options for 3 ‘alpha’ options? this is where calibration comes in. what is the girl’s personality? what is it that you want from her in terms of a relationship? (ons/fb/fwb/gf/ltr/wife?) there’s a sliding scale of relationships and, therefore, responses that will lead to your desired outcome. don’t worry…you can’t get it wrong (there’s no grades assigned…lol…) and the worst that can happen (usually…lol…cough…26yopsycho…cough…lol…) is that you just don’t get to bang ‘that girl’ at ‘this time’ (so have a beer instead and set up the next one…lol…it’s all good…)
when girls use language, they do it semi-intentionally…it’s how they set frame = sub communication… so, did you notice anything about that text from 33yoprude that you should be noticing?…what kind of frame is she starting to ease you into…?
“So in my marriage I was getting manipulated all the time. And being 4th to other people in my wife’s life. Now that has changed significantly.”
game does that…lol…
“I do not take shit from her and she never gives me shit any more. She does not even complain about anything anymore. ”
that’s a good start. now, the goal is to start to gently assert more control over everything…including her…it doesn’t have to be mean, just firm…lol…the goal is to get to a point where HER main joy in life is making sure that YOU are happy and having a good life…it seems like this would be something she wouldn’t like (given all the feminist ranting…) but (in real life) she’ll be happier than ever…
“She is a woman and has her radar up about me cheating but she has absolutely no idea what is going on.”
don’t be so sure about that…lol…
“And she has no way to know.” lol…don’t bet on it…
“Short of hiring a private detective.”
she might have already…
“Even then it would be tough. And I will not go into details because of my own security. I think she feels the pressure of my spinning plates.”
if she doesn’t know, then why would she feel pressure…?
“Since my changes these last few months the sex has been off the charts.”
‘off the charts’ is ‘porn star’ sex for all our purposes…lol…
‘But I will tell you this. She comes after me for sex all the time now. And I have gotten more blowjobs from her in the last two months than in my entire marriage. She is ready anytime anywhere.”
that’s your alpha programming she’s picking up on…lol…
“Money is mostly in my control. I delegated the bills to her a long time ago. But I decide where the money goes and all major purchases.”
delegation is good as long as you know where every penny is going…does she have the opportunity to skim off a ‘lawyer fund’? that’s what all the ‘women’s magazines tell women to do when they’re looking to get out…here’s a check on where this stands…tell her you want to go over the budget and see where the money has been spent for the last year or so…then watch her reaction…you don’t need to actually look at the books (although that’s not a bad idea…lol…) just watch her reaction…that should tell you most of what you need to know…
“Yes she cooks dinner and she works and she does the dishes and laundry.”
always? or just since you got ‘alpha’?
“Not sure about the qualifying herself to me.”
noticing if she apologies for stupid shit is a good start…in general qualifying/supplicating herself is any comment or action that puts you in the ‘superior’ position in the relationship (it’s hardwired primate interaction type stuff…) does her comment/idea/etc. come from a place of submission…equality…dominance? after you know what to look for and what it looks like = easy peasy…getting started = not so easy peasy…lol…it varies depending on the dynamics of the social group/interaction variables/etc…at its core it’s a simple idea, but it’s hard to explain in person much less over the inter webs…at least for me…lol…maybe somebody else can chime in…
“I honestly believe she thinks something is going on and she knows that she cannot do anything about it. And is afraid to leave since she is getting a really fucking good life.”
she could get that good life, even without staying…that’s the divorce rape that guys around these parts talk about (and the feminist agenda pushes pretty hard…) and IS absolutely true…but she would lose you…and that should register as a bigger loss to her than any ‘good life’ that she could ever have anywhere…that’s the goal anyway…lol…
“Any suggestions to tighten it up I am all ears. Thanks.”
game her just like any other girl…neg her a little…tease her with sexual content a lot…comment on stuff about her – ‘i like it when you wear red, it really brings out the color in your eyes…” that kind of stuff. subtle comments/compliments on what you like and ways that she can please you…lol…then notice if she does those things for you (specifically, and not as an afterthought when she does something for the kids…) just like any other girl…lol…and sex her up just like the 40yo…lol…there is a hugh bonus to doing this (besides being able to keep your stuff and see your kids every day…lol…) you get to practice game on a real live reacting girl! it’s a good way to internalize that alpha attitude…just like YaReally says…’they’re just silly girls…” and wives are just like any other ‘silly girls’ out there…lol…
one more thing…
just to ping off YaReally’s comment about the 26yo psycho…
“Also the fucked up part is you could still totally bang her lol she’s super attracted, it wouldn’t be difficult at all. But that’s flying too close to the sun and would probably get you burned lol
But ya, radio silence forever from here. You did good. For a clusterB, a butthurt txt telling you never to talk to her again, with a vague empty threat that ends in XOXO, is actually getting off pretty easy lol”
(i think i disagree with YaReally on this point…lol…) i think that she doesn’t really think this is the end…she thinks it’s part of ‘normal’ ‘foreplay’ (and for cluster Bs it is…lol…)(that’s why you got the xoxo at the end of the text…) be ready to have your phone blow up at some point…lol…
and just one more comment on cluster Bs for guys out there willing to play with fire…lol…on second thought…no…just say no…lol…
luck! and great progress! keep it up…lol…
@walawala
“Then Friday she came out, hugged me, we danced a few times, I continued gaming her as usual, passed shit test.
Next night at our social…she blanked me…and I blanked her.”
I think you know this, or could see it if you went so beat up by the relationship…she’s still trying to get you to chase her…after your ‘reunion’ (which to her looks like she has a chance to get you back/normal interaction pattern) she’s blowing cold…what does a ‘normal’ socially adjusted person do?…they say “are you ok? is everything alright?”…lol…bang!…back to chase mode…
i think that was your pattern with her, right? girls go with what works for them to get what they want…your ‘guard dog’ just was sizing up your arm again…lol…
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@reco
got one caught in the stack again…lol…
damn, this is another long ass thread…you better take a break so CH can save some bandwidth…lol…
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@ Reco lol bro I was just pointing out I was correct. on your side bro. that chick is one of the crazy ones. one tell is a white girl who talks like a whigger. didn’t your follow up post agree with me? her saying stuff about your daughter’s facebook? the original FR you posted about her that night showed her to be dangerous type of crazy.
I woke up with 2 different chicks, a 6 and a 10 (22 year old) in my bed in a span of 3 days last week.
actually I don’t go out much because I have my kids on weekends and need my energy for work during week, but when I decide to get tired staying up with girls all night every once in a while it’s not that hard.
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@having a bad day
Totally, this is her trying to get me to chase so that she can then tell me to “fuck off”.
I also think by re-connecting with her she was surprised after 4 months prior telling her to fuck off AND I think she’s back to having feelings for me so her hamster is spinning.
If she truly didn’t care or just wanted to be friends she wouldn’t ignore me it would be just another “Friend”….like several of my exes. Nope, she’s gone into anger mode to get me to ask “What’s wrong” etc etc etc and chase.
It’s clear. She’s been posing for photos with blokes, her social media presence is amplified.
I didn’t say anything after Friday and don’t intend to.
Cluster B’s are not fun for anyone who’s been there.
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@yareally and @HABD
So I am set up for my 40YONurse for Thursday Night, and my 33YOPrude on Wednesday night. Should be a lot smoother week. Couple of questions as I fine tune this thing.
33YOPrude minimal contact last week however HABD asked me to predict what she is up to and why she is calling me the sweet names. I believe that she is setting me up to be her provider in her mind. She wants to replace my wife. Thing is I do not want her to replace my wife. I want a really fun fuckbuddy. And to be her Alpha affair. So I am not sure how to steer this the right way. How to set those expectations.? I am being cool and sweet and a little aloof with her now since it is still pre-bang. And yes I can see she is trying to ease me into being her boyfriend. Here is our text exchange this morning after nothing all weekend.
(Friday)
Her: Morning love 10:22 AM (she uses sweet names in every exchange now I only do it sometimes)
Me: Hey cutie…busy day. 11:48 AM
Her: Hey bab…very busy day indeed 6:48 PM
Me: Did you have a good day? 10:17 PM
(Two days later)
Me: Good morning sweetie 7:37 AM
Her: Morning honey 7:52 AM
Me: Just got done working out…sweaty. .. 8:01 AM (I have a life)
Her: I have to workout all this week. Impossible last week. I feel very fluffy 8:09 AM (she actually looks pretty good)
Me: Got a big week cant stay out real late on Wednesday. …pick you up at 6 🙂 8:20 AM (anti ASD)
Her: Same here. I’m working 6 days and probably 60 hrs. We can grab dinner. 8:21 AM (she has been talking about being overwhelmed with work lately)
So did I handle this right? Seems like she is backing off a little at the end there about she cant stay late either. I do not plan to contact her again until Wednesday when we meet just to confirm when I am picking her up. Or to respond to her is that correct? Also I have a plan. Hotel I am staying at is in a large common area plaza. With lots of shops and restaurants. Bring her there and park. Get out and walk through really nice hotel lobby to restaurant a little ways away. Then drinks and eat. Then after dinner. Walk back to hotel bar for another drink. Then just take her up to my room. But warn her that I cannot stay long and for her not to try anything. lol What do you think of that plan?
As for the 40YONurse she is much easier now. We had some wild sex and she is good to go. I will communicate with her a little more and keep it sexual. By the way she is already doing that. So it is just falling in place. Also to answer the question I think she will text. If she was really really into me she would call. And it leads me to think that maybe I am too responsive with text still.
And one question on OKCupid. Just getting set up. But damn there are a lot of fat girls on there. Is there a way to screen for that? I hear a lot of talk about that site on here. But I am not that impressed so far.
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@reco
looks fine…how do YOU think you are doing…lol…
questions…
this is the ‘passionate affair’ chick, right? where she was looking for a provider and you told her no relationship?
is there a difference between her goals and yours? = maybe…maybe not
given the possible competing frames here, what is the sub communications (what her hamster is thinking) going on with the text and timing of each of these exchanges…?
“(Friday)
Her: Morning love 10:22 AM (she uses sweet names in every exchange now I only do it sometimes)
Me: Hey cutie…busy day. 11:48 AM
Her: Hey bab…very busy day indeed 6:48 PM
Me: Did you have a good day? 10:17 PM
(Two days later)
Me: Good morning sweetie 7:37 AM
Her: Morning honey 7:52 AM
Me: Just got done working out…sweaty. .. 8:01 AM (I have a life)
Her: I have to workout all this week. Impossible last week. I feel very fluffy 8:09 AM (she actually looks pretty good)
Me: Got a big week cant stay out real late on Wednesday. …pick you up at 6 🙂 8:20 AM (anti ASD)
Her: Same here. I’m working 6 days and probably 60 hrs. We can grab dinner. 8:21 AM (she has been talking about being overwhelmed with work lately)”
just do her’s and the timing between each, you had reasons for your texting…just one question about that though…did you have a reason to respond first (two days later)?…after she blanked you on your question about her day? (which was beta = boring, by the way…lol…not bad for building comfort…lol…but it’s still a non-sexual chasing frame…)
note – just calling you “love” etc doesn’t necessarily mean she wants you to be beta. she might want to replace mrs reco but that doesn’t mean she wants a beta…lol…
and if you start slingin beta cues around too much she might flake just to test your reaction…lol…try to predict whether that will happen…lol…
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@reco
“Get out and walk through really nice hotel lobby to restaurant a little ways away. Then drinks and eat. Then after dinner. Walk back to hotel bar for another drink. Then just take her up to my room. But warn her that I cannot stay long and for her not to try anything. lol What do you think of that plan?”
looks fine…do you have a plan for LMR if you can’t get her back to your room?…
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@HABD There is a lot here. Yes the 33YOPrude is the passionate affair one. And yes that is what I want. I do not want to be her beta orbiter those days are over. But this is still pre-bang and I do not want to oversexualize this and fire up her ASD too much. What am I missing here? I realize that I may have looked a little too beta in my replies but I have played her very well. And she does seem to be smitten with me and really into contacting me and always trying to rekindle with me even after a few days.I think she is attracted to me because i was alpha and did not give a shit about the affair and was very open and honest with her about it. I also think she was turned on by my sexual interest in her and that I did not hide it and I was aggressive with her. But my texting and timing and manipulation of the language and its nuance still needs a lot of work. And if I get LMR then I just go silent and do not mention anything. Pull away, stop touching, turn my body language away. Etc. But really I can wait for the 3rd date if it does not work out. I am very sure she wants a little slice of Reco. lol
@Yareally thanks for the props. I think things are really good with the 40YONurse right now. I will send her a few sexy texts during the week to keep her connected. And my 33YOPrude yes I can see how she could fall in love quickly. She has that quirky nervous energy, that is very appealing and underneath it all she is a hot calduron of sexuality. She just sent me a text a little while ago:
“Wow…today kicked my pretty little butt. Huge corporate visit with the president of the company Cranky old man”
So my analysis is I don’t want to encourage too much beta listening to her problems but at the same time this is pre-bang so I don’t want to be too sexual. So I am just going to send this:
“I will be the judge of whether…
… you have a pretty little butt.”
What do you think? Or should I not respond at all. Not going to see her until Wednesday. This micro calibration is confusing to me at times.
Also on my 20YOBrazillian. What do you think I should do to reengage? Should I just wait some more?
The day is looking much better. No crazy alert!
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@reco
got my response in the wrong place down below…damn this is a long thread…lol…
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How did you do?!! You got laid. Case dismissed! Seriously, good work on that.
Also, I may have missed it, but you are still married but you have a hotel room? Did you just get it for the night or are you currently staying in a hotel while your wife stays in the house?
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Not divorced. What’s your story?
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Some of us spend more nights in hotel rooms than we do in whatever place we’re pretending is our permanent residence.
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@yareally I sent the text to the 26YO crazy tonight. This is her response.
Listen, there is no reason for me and you to be speaking. You are just some
lame that doesn’t know how to respect a female. Btw, I found your daughters
Facebook. Keep your distance mother fucker. I can’t destroy a lot of shit,
just by using my fingertips
🙂 goodnight XO XO
Pretty scary shit. I am not so sure that was the way to go. This chick is a bunny boiler. I did some reading on the cluster B stuff. She does look like she may be a Borderline Personality Disorder. I cant be certain but I do not know how she would get my daughters facebook. She does not have my name or her name.
I am thinking about telling my daughter to block her facebook just to make sure.
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“Listen, there is no reason for me and you to be speaking. You are just some
lame that doesn’t know how to respect a female. Btw, I found your daughters
Facebook. Keep your distance mother fucker. I can’t destroy a lot of shit,
just by using my fingertips 🙂 goodnight XO XO”
Man up and marry her.
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@reco
“Pretty scary shit. I am not so sure that was the way to go. [too late now…lol…] This chick is a bunny boiler. I did some reading on the cluster B stuff. She does look like she may be a Borderline Personality Disorder. I cant be certain but I do not know how she would get my daughters facebook. She does not have my name or her name.”
girls do lie, you know…lol…there is nothing in that text that isn’t generic threat, especially if she knew you had a daughter (and what girl doesn’t have a Facebook?…lol…just go dark (forever…) and see what happens…and start gaming the wife…lol…seriously…
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@reco
Don’t stress it, it’s an empty threat. You already know this girl lies a bunch and if you mentioned having a daughter she’s just trying to goad you. If she really found her Facebook she’d say like “btw I found Sally’s Facebook” and presumably your wife is on your daughter’s Facebook so if she was actually finding shit about you she’d’ve threatened to message your wife not your daughter.
You could drop to your daughter not to add anyone she doesn’t know and to have her profile set to private in general if you don’t think that would be all suspicious and shit but the odds are verrrrrry low she actually found anything.
Scary stuff hey? The thing about aborting the relationship is that there’s no way out of it that won’t be messy and anything you do that isn’t leaving it will just make it worse. So like, of the ways to bow out, that txt was the most solid way to get that process going.
Like, you weren’t going to be able to get out of a clusterB situ without her threatening you or threatening to kill herself etc. that’s just clusterB’s for you lol. She’s just lashing out because you took her power away by being unreactive to her shit so she has to up the crazy like a guard dog trained to bite harder if the perp doesn’t surrender.
The good news is this is actually a lucky break for you. She’s “broken it off” so now you can literally just never txt her again and you’re not a jerk you’re just following orders lol and she’s less likely to txt you since she told you to fuck off (at worst she may txt in a few weeks “I’ve decided to give you another chance to take me to dinner at expensive restaraunt name” but you just ignore that).
Like you have free reign now to go totally radio silent without getting 500000 crazy calls and txts and voicemails from her. So this actually works out well. You don’t even want to see what happens when a clusterB is in love with you and you bail and go radio silent lol
So from here on change her name to “X PSYCHO BPD DO NOT ANSWER EVER” on your phone so if she contacts you you remember she’s psycho and don’t respond
And go 10000% radio silent. No more txts to her EVER. Any response to anything she says no matter how psycho it is, will just be rewarding her with your attention and reaction. Like if you txted back “OMG I’m sorry plz don’t Facebook my daughter” she would be learning “ok THIS is how I get him to react and give me attention. Threaten his family” and you don’t want that guard dog situ lol
So 100% radio silent and don’t stress the Facebook thing at all lol. No replying to anything she sends ever cause that’ll just teach her to keep doing whatever it is you responded to. She miiiight stalk/threaten you a bit more or you might get stalkery anonymous phone calls for a few weeks but she’ll get bored and move on to a new victim when you don’t reply or react to her. If you react at sll, threatening her back, getting angry, getting scsred, apologizing etc, she will just go harder.
There’s a post I did for walawala during his shitshow with his clusterB where I talk about “any news is good news”. Give that a search in my archive for some more details about how clusterB’s view getting attention from their prey.
Also the fucked up part is you could still totally bang her lol she’s super attracted, it wouldn’t be difficult at all. But that’s flying too close to the sun and would probably get you burned lol
But ya, radio silence forever from here. You did good. For a clusterB, a butthurt txt telling you never to talk to her again, with a vague empty threat that ends in XOXO, is actually getting off pretty easy lol
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@reco
Reply is in moderation so watch for it. Jist is don’t worry about the threat it’s empty and she let you off the hook easy (for a psycho). 100% radio silence forever on your end
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I warned you reco. the story about black dude car. that chick is crazy scary why the fuck did you contact her again??????
no pussy is worth that.
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reco I told you some girls like that are wild crazy fucked up….not sure if one of my comments got through filter re: that’s the type that will smash your car with a golf club, come to your office and fuck shit up. at a minimm throw shit and break stuff….. NEVER contact her again and probably get a new phone number.
even my semi-going out days (I’ve probably approached 0.3% of the women Ya Really has…… I encountered a few of these, because they are literally full on 30% of the female population (of ones that are super hot physically) aged 19-26. they are seriously fucked up in the head dude.
this one actually sounds like she’s worked as a prostitute or stripper… can’t you recognize those? gotta stay away.
I had one approach me in McDonald’s a few weeks ago….hot body, turned out to be a working girl, and if you look carefully you’ll see shit like bad teeth or white trash way of talking as a tell. in my case the girl had fake teeth, and it was gross, probably because some pimp knocked her teeth out at some point.
that story you told about the girl blowing up hardcore for no reason then the text about getting in black guy’s car!!!! dude just NEVER contact one like that again after that kind of shit.
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yea might not want to go down the rabbit hole anymore rico it can get much worse
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“I sent the text to the 26YO crazy tonight. This is her response.”
Sounds like a keeper. Try “I … I think I love you.”
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@reco and YaReally
“Radio silence forever” yes. Borderline Personality Disorder is scary and Cluster B traits are not fun.
I’ve written at length about this with my ex gf.
Last week after 4 months of radio silence on my part and various attempts to get my attention on hers, I danced last two sets at our weekly social.
Then Friday she came out, hugged me, we danced a few times, I continued gaming her as usual, passed shit test.
Next night at our social…she blanked me…and I blanked her.
The weirdness of this disorder is that hot/cold push/pull love you/hate you and mood changes very quickly.
Nothing happened between last night and tonight and suddenly she’s gone cold.
In fact the whole relationship was like this. Now I’m in a place where I’m moving on and meeting new chicks and banging them so the hold she had is gone.
The radio silence part is to clear your head of the fog that these girls create. Any comment ANY comment you make to these girls is always open to misinterpretation, exaggeration or some type of lying.
Sad but you got a great start in your journey into game.
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@reco
good job! what more is there to say?
i’ll double up on YaReally’s advice – use the condom (40yo is not too old for an ooopsie…and she does have 3 kids, so it’s not like she’s barren…lol…), space the meetings out, listen to her ramble after the sex…
just a note on the beta frame of listening to her problems…like YaReally said, after sex, pretty much anything she says is good to listen to…ask questions (self reference ones about how awesome you are are always good to go…lol…let her remember how awesome it was by letting her tell you how awesome you are…lol…it’ll help with the Buyer’s Remorse problem…that’s how girls process their emotions…)
when you’re on the date, you can listen to her problems, that builds comfort, but the ‘problems’ can’t be stuff like other guys…lol…or shit that she wants you to solve for her…etc.
again, good job! get some rest…lol…
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@YaReally & reco
I called it on the 26 year old..But yeah, I’m a bit more sensitive to this Cluster B girl than most because of my own experiences.
Just to update you all and relate it back to reco who is closer to my age.
These girls are dangerous for several reasons 1) they’re emotional vampires, they start out by idealizing you…then slowly move from clingy to angry to devaluing you and discarding you.
Of course they move back and forth from these. Mine started doing that about 3 weeks in, then after I set some boundaries it was 2 months…then break up, then 6 weeks, then break up.
YaReally set me straight and until I followed his advice more closely I was in a fog.
Just to give you an update. Last week I re-gamed my ex. She was confused and a bit excited. But then started “triangulating” by hitting on a visitor who was at our party.
Friday comes in. I approach her, we dance. She starts again with the visitor hitting on him in front of me. I ignore and leave.
I shoot her a ping text. She replies 45 minutes later “Shower”. This was both a qualifier and she was trying to suggest she was alone.
The next night she blanks me totally—and I blanked her.
You can see…4 months of no contact…a re-engagement. She starts flirting with me again…there’s mutual attraction and rapport. Poof…she’s gone.
I’m not so worked up now because I’ve had the clarity of it all. But as I was going through this it was a kind of hell. I learned a lot on this and happy to share my experiences if it helps you. Am now meeting a 28 year old new to the city for drinks. Organizing a big event with lots of girls and getting back to how I was before my Cluster B experience except now my inner game is better.
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@walawala you did call this one early brother. Hard to see it In the moment.
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@reco
“What am I missing here?”
not much…you’ve made really good progress…just remember girls WANT alphas, they SETTLE for betas…
33yoprude – her hamster is spinning a narrative to her…she wants the ALPHA provider…lol…she’ll settle for alpha fling, then beta provider…but her hamster will be shit testing to confirm the alpha content of your genetic material…lol…
“But my texting and timing and manipulation of the language and its nuance still needs a lot of work.”
texting purpose is to get face to face interaction going…or continuing…(or not)…lol…
“And if I get LMR then I just go silent and do not mention anything. Pull away, stop touching, turn my body language away. Etc.”
it’s always better to have a plan and not need it…lol…
““Wow…today kicked my pretty little butt. Huge corporate visit with the president of the company Cranky old man”
So my analysis is I don’t want to encourage too much beta listening to her problems but at the same time this is pre-bang so I don’t want to be too sexual. So I am just going to send this:
“I will be the judge of whether…
… you have a pretty little butt.”
What do you think?”
sounds fine…she brought it up, it would be irresponsibly beta to not respond in kind…lol…try it and see what happens…that’s the only way to learn…
“This micro calibration is confusing to me at times.”
don’t sweat the micro stuff. you only need to be working on the macro principles right now. that’ll put you ahead of 90% of most guys out there anyway…unfortunately…lol…
“Also on my 20YOBrazillian. What do you think I should do to reengage? Should I just wait some more?”
I forgot about this one…what did you do? you’ve got too many plates spinning…lol…good job!
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@HABD thanks brother it got it on the 33YOprude. I tried my response and it seemed to go over pretty well. She is trying to qualify herself to me a lot. We will see what happens next. I am ready for wednesday with her and thursday with my 40YOnurse.
My concern with the 20YObrazillian is she is young and may slip away. The tough thing here is figuring out how to reengage and how to get her to meet up without flaking. Background is we established good rapport and comfort over a series of phone calls and texts. We have never met face to face. She is a bit isolated in a rural area without a car and lives with her mom and her slut sister. She does child care nanny stuff for her sister and other families. She seemed really into me and ready to meet.
Set up the meet drove out there she was communicating all the time until about an hour before and then went silent she flaked and I sent a mild rant about her not showing.
Then no contact until about a week ago she called and hung up. I sent a whos this text about two nights later. No response then she called me the next day. But did not say her name. I am certain it was her. I kind of dropped the ball I should have asked it it was her by name.
I am sure she wants to talk to me. But my questions are this. I. How do I reengage in an alpha way? 2. How do i prevent her from flaking on a meetup? 3. What game strategy do I use with her after meeting? She is young and inexperienced and has never had a father she told me so. I predict if I do get the meetup I should go slow and build lots of comfort and rapport and ease into her pants.
I predict that if I call her she will not pick up. And If I text she will not answer easily unless I do it just right. My problem is I need to let her know that I am not mad at her for flaking and want to speak to her and at the same time not fall into an beta frame.
What would you guys suggest?
I am also afraid if I wait too long she will have other options.
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Oh by the way on the 20YObrazillian I did send the text “hmm I keep getting calls from unknown numbers. Am I being pranked?” a few days ago and I received nothing back. That was on last thursday.
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Good news. As we have discussed, MSM faggotry can help its stupid self and it’s pushing and pushing and it’s going to push and push too far and there is going to be blowback. Enough is enough.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/09/showbiz/benham-brothers-hgtv/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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An important question is what happened to the Catholic Church moralizing against fa66otry? As late as the 1970s, Andy Wharhol (a butt-boy) was still going to Catholic sermons in NYC that openly criticized homosexual behavior.
Then in the 1980s the church stopped. Any thoughts?
My hypothesis: when Pope Francis talked about a “Gay” lobby in the Vatican, he wasn’t kidding. The gays forced their way into the Church hierarchy and shut down criticism.
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Homosexuality has always been with the Catholic organization. The monks couldn’t live year after year, decade after decade, without sex. Then they had to beg for forgiveness in their prayers with tears in their eyes, full of fear of hell, and that was a good way to control them, through their guilt. There was homosexuality going on among the nuns too; I remember reading about a case where the Mother Superior used her fingers to “check so the devil wasn’t inside the young nuns”.
This aside from the dysgenic effect it must have had on society to lock up many of the intelligent members in monasteries, where they wouldn’t reproduce. No wonder Protestant countries overtook them in the competition. Well, otherwise all of North America would have been speaking Spanish.
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Arbiter: while homosexual activity did go on (everyone is a sinner, and the clergy are in no way immune to sin), of course, it was in no way as endemic as you suggest. That it was everywhere is just an old black legend-type myth the anti-Catholics like to throw out there. If the church had such an overwhelming percentage of butt-fuckers over the centuries, it would have stopped condemning homosexuality long ago. It didn’t; therefore, it stands to reason that the vast majority of those were firmly straight. It is only recently that the Church has stopped condemning buggery from the pulpits, which is my point.
You can always find examples of sinning Popes, but I counter that with the many Popes who did not. The floors of hell are paved with bishops skulls, as a famous Catholic saint from the Roman days (!) once said. Remember, too, that many more clergy members sinned by having heterosexual activity–power makes a great aphrodisiac.
And, furthermore, the idea that people can’t live without sex is just a product of Hollywood and the now gay-influenced mental health industry. If a person has a low sex drive and/or is separated from sexual imagery and influence, he can live quite happily. To say that someone can’t live without sex is like saying someone can’t live without killing another human being–both are perfectly natural, state-of-nature behaviors, both are used to promote your genetic inheritance and power, both are still desired by every man today, and yet neither is necessary.
And, please, the effect of the monastic life was positive on societies. It removed certain elements from society: the betas who would rather do research, yes, the gays, and the other shut-ins who needed structure and order. It gifted us with saving European knowledge in the dark ages and protecting civilization. It also cut down on overpopulation in cities and disease, as it removed such persons from society. It protected ethnic identities in the marches and provided a bulkwork against incursions by pagans, Muslims, and other non-Christian groups. Heck, the monastaries in many cases fed, clothed, and cared for those in need, keeping them alive even when cities burned to the ground.
Protestantism’s successes are English-based; had England merely lost the French-and-Indian War (which it quite nearly did), we would be talking about the vast French influence on the world and how Catholicism is the reason.
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Wow CH, dude, I feel smart. I had not seen this old 2008 post until now:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/obesity-to-blame-for-game/
No wonder you always publish my comments on my “justified one-itus” theory. I am essentially saying the exact same thing. I derived these conclusions on my own before discovering CH or the “manosphere.”
Obesity problem means only one thin, bangable chick for every 5 normal dudes….. this creates an automatic scarcity problem and increases the buying price (in game or beta bux) exponentially for the ego-inflated rare thin woman.
As Ya Really puts, also commenting on the same phenomenon from a third slightly different angle, every hot chick (HB7 or above, especially HB8) gets hit on constantly everywhere she goes (gym, starbucks, street, club, work) and wakes up to 20 texts from 20 guys every morning.
Taking things to the logical conclusion in the other direction, just for illustration, if 100% of women were HB8s or above — thin and pretty and if there were literally 50 million bangable thin women and 50 million bangable decent dudes in the country, then everyone would get laid and buying price would go down.
Extremes don’t happen, of course, but from the 1920s through the 60s and even 1970s and even 1980s to some extent, a MUCH higher % of female population was thin and bangable (perhaps with bad teeth and bad hair) and women had to behave and be a little bit nice to men.
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But men looked better back then, too. You don’t notice because you’re not looking, but a lot of guys out there are just as fat as the girls. I may get hit on all the time more than I should because I’m thin, but I’m also turning guys down more than I should because they’re puffy.
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Men are just as obese as women; of course, obese men still want to bang the pretty girls, and an obese man with game has a chance at being attractive, whereas an obese girl has no chance whatsoever.
I hate myself for replying to Amy.
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Huge +1 on this. Being fat is a separate thing from game and you can be fat and still score chicks….but ya, being fat vs being thin is night/day difference. Why make it harder than it needs to be?
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Curious, do you ever hint to those guys why you’re turning them down? Like, do they ever get the idea that their weight is what spurned the rejection?
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Never. I always say I have a boyfriend, truth be damned.
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u mean puffy w no game right little mama?
gimme an email addy @ my blog. i need your opinion on somethin.
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I make no excuses for men who allow themselves to turn fat. They have failed their duty to be strong for the purpose of doing their best for their nation. However, if I remember correctly obesity is a bit more common among women.
There is also the fact that women’s attractiveness lies almost entirely in their looks. As long as the personality is simply decent and not flaky, most men will be content with that.
A man’s attractiveness is more of a mix between looks, personality, finances and social standing. Some would say it’s at least half finances. (Which we often don’t think of because we consider whatever financial level we are on to be the normal state for us, and then only look at the effects of changing our looks or game (personality).)
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Yes, but looks aren’t as important to women. I do agree though that a lot of men are pathetically out of shape and have horrendous style. It’s not like I strut around in tailored suits and designer ties, but I do at least buy clothing that fits me, try to not be a cliche and wear cologne. I don’t understand obese people because while I’ve never been that fat, one feels worse when out of shape, not only physically, but psychologically too. I had a pretty serious injury and I’m just getting back into shape and even the process of being better than you were last week is fun to me.
Personally, I think it was neat that during the Belle Epoque period in Europe throughout the interbellum period, even the poor were expected to dress nicely when outside. People who rape your eyeballs when they walk outside are worthy of contempt.
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I think this guy may be on to something……
http://govtslaves.info/liberal-professor-calls-genocide-says-white-males-consider-suicide-sent-death-camp/
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old news buddy, we already know white men are Public Enemy No.1
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then what am I?
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Roosh needs a literary girl. I don’t know why on earth he is trying to meet a woman in a bar. You can’t read in there. There’s the poor lighting, the noisy music…if he wants a modest, intelligent, low n girl, he should be hanging out at the library and bookstores looking for nerds who look cuter with their glasses off. Or, he should be online, where he can screen hundreds of women with simple filters. Its not the dark ages, people! There is no need for all this approach exhaustion.
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That’s my thing. Because of the way things are now — extreme pressure by MSM for girls to be as horrible as possible, as even YaReally says — one literally cannot find a thin woman, not even a 6, in a bookstore or library. I tried that for years. Your exact comment — the stereotypical girl with glasses who is cuter than she realizes, when she takes off her glasses, she’s the prom queen, like in the movies. Guess what? Preemption happens. Any girl who is thin and pretty has already experienced MSM her life and she’s not in the bookstore. She’s in the club with the rest of them. I walk around bookstores and do not see thin young women there. Not one. It’s not that I’m afraid to approach. There are NONE there. And there is a cute trendy pretty famous non-chain bookstore/coffee shop in my city. I’ve spent hundreds of hours there literally, reading and also looking around. NO THIN, PRETTY GIRLS GO THERE, at all.
Now you may have a better point re: online dating.
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Egads, women are probably buying their books online these days.
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Kate’s advice is unbelievably stupid. “Compromise on looks and find a girl who likes to read more books.”
A girl reads more books BECAUSE she is ugly. If Kate were pretty, she wouldn’t read books.
There is something to be said for banging 5s, considering how much more enthusiastic they are, and much less effort is involved than 7s/8s. “Effort” amounts to throwing some text messages back and forth and letting her know when she can come by your place to pick you up (no need burning up gasoline on a broad.)
But why not just go for a quality 9?
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You’re right. He should totally keep looking for that perfect bar girl till he hits the male wall and can only father autistic children.
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women (and some weak men) tend to forget that men love the hunt.
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He can sneak up on her in the stacks!!! 🙂
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Are you seeing he should hit up poetry readings, coffee houses, etc. and game girls there?
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Why not? We’ve all heard the definition of insanity: doing the same thing expecting different results. It applies to dating too.
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Roosh needs a literary girl.
You mean a fat broad who wears glasses and is north of 30?
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nah
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Of course not. Roosh is clearly a romantic, a thinker, and a great lover of literature. I really don’t believe he will be happy with anyone who doesn’t have an appreciation of classic literature like he does. He has to have a woman who can moderately keep up with him intellectually. At 34/35, the woman should be right at her peak marrying age: mid to late twenties. He needs to compromise on looks and compensate with books.
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“Of course not. Roosh is clearly a romantic, a thinker, and a great lover of literature. I really don’t believe he will be happy with anyone who doesn’t have an appreciation of classic literature like he does. He has to have a woman who can moderately keep up with him intellectually. At 34/35, the woman should be right at her peak marrying age: mid to late twenties. He needs to compromise on looks and compensate with books.”
I love classic literature too but I don’t have any illusions about finding a wife that does.
Women are empty vessels and will mold themselves into whatever you want them to be once you game them.
Besides, I don’t desire a wife that can “keep up with me”, if I was interested in getting married it would only be with a prime SMV non-manjaw who knows how to keep her mouth shut.
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lol I like your spirit. Women are certainly very malleable, but “empty vessels” is too extreme. If that were so, it would be a failure of roosh’s game that he hadn’t properly instilled a love of literature into the girls he dates. Its something he could explore, I suppose. Putting aside my personal issues with his rash temper, no one can say roosh is not an extraordinary person capable of extraordinary things. As a social scientist, it baffles me that he is not more willing to experiment in order to create the extraordinary love he is surely capable of.
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Christ, men are really desperate these days. It’s not a criticism but an observation of how pathetic things have become.
You will not find a woman who cares about the same things you do, if you do she will leave over some superficial reason like you don’t make enough money or you qualify yourself too much..
Relationships are founded on things like how tall you are, how alpha you are, what kind of house you live in and the symmetry of your face, not if you read books or not.
As evidence I have never had a girlfriend who likes the same things I do. OK once their was a girl who played guitar very well but all that did was take away from my alphaness as a guitar player.
Find a male friend who likes books and bang the nicest, youngest girls you can find.
You don’t have to go from fucking to discussing literature in 5 minutes and you don’t have to fuck the person you talk books to.
There is zero need for this kind of thing.
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51f 49m split
men have the natural advantage, of course
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this made me shiver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
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If you’re a young guy, Tinder is where it’s at right now. A couple of months back, the supply of cute girls was low but now I can’t even finish swiping right on them all. It does help that I live in one of the top 5 largest metropolitan cities in America but I take it most of you all can do some damage on this thing.
For every 100 swipes, I get about 30-40 matches. From these matches, I get about 10-15 numbers. Out of these numbers I get about 3-5 bitches ready to hang out in a span of 7 days. Most girls on here want to hang out pretty quickly given the dynamic of this app.
This is not bad considering that all I’m doing is sitting down and swiping right on all of them. I filter out the uglies and fatties later. Some even message me with “Hello?” lol, gtfo here!
Anyway, here’s some tip for you guys:
-Every single one of your pictures needs to have a purpose. In other words, no bathroom selfies, or cheesy shit like that. One selfie is permitted but only if you’re a good looking guy.
-Some great pictures to have on your profile are:
You surrounded by girls (pre-selection) or a mixed group of friends (party pictures in general, really).
You in some outdoor activity, shirtless if possible. I have one of me at the beach.
Doing something masculine, like a picture of you at a shooting range or in a sport.
If you have a pet, you can include your dog. Try not to have a faggot dog, though.
-More pictures doesn’t make you better. Keep some mystery on this thing by having 3-5 pictures on your profile. Making her curious about you helps.
-This goes for the bio also. Make it two to three sentences. This allows her to ask questions about you.
Always keep the number in mind and the end goal, which is to close. Truth be told, she’s probably getting hit on by many guys and in order for you to make your mark, you must seal the deal as fast as possible without seeming needy.
After you two match, it’s best to go from some information she provides in her bio or pictures. If she doesn’t have a bio or her pictures don’t say much, then you can send her a crass sexual message and see if it hooks.
A sexual message can hook and when it does, you know she’s down for it. But if you do it to some girls, you will end up losing them in the process. We all know what they want, but some of these girls don’t want it verbalized. It makes you lose a good percentage of that mystery that girls find so intoxicating. If you can get her to hang out with you without being too overtly sexual in the beginning, then you will keep her for a while longer than if you were all gung-ho about sex.
Day Game is still great and I actually prefer it better because even if it’s hard work compared to tinder, you know exactly what you get and she does too. If she’s attracted and you ran your game right, she will find a way to fuck you. There’s no confusion there.
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Awesome name.
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Very legit and actionable advice in regards to tinder.
Nice work!
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Everything this man says is correct.
Including that day game is still preferable. But Tinder requires no effort on my part other than wearing out my thumb swiping right without even glancing at my handheld device. An associate of mine runs it on an old iPod Touch, swiping all day long whilst he engages in more productive pursuits like watching the NFL Draft.
The ease of messaging girls on Tinder, and the quality, reliability, and success rate of the bangs, reminds me of the early days on Yahoo! regional chat (circa ’95), MySpace (circa ’04).
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Tinder is an accelerated and amplified numbers game. Online dating has always been like that, but Tinder takes it to its logical conclusion.
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But Tinder requires no effort on my part other than wearing out my thumb swiping right without even glancing at my handheld device. An associate of mine runs it on an old iPod Touch, swiping all day long whilst he engages in more productive pursuits like watching the NFL Draft.
Somewhere a god is crying over losing his best planet.
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Great post!
I live in a small town here in Canada where few people have heard of Tinder, let alone use it. Pretty much anybody doing anything online is using Plenty of Fish.
Online plays to my strengths. In high school when MSN was huge, I had girls eating out of my hand after a few conversations. I’m a wizard with words and have an exceptional ability to be vulnerable and emotionally engaging while maintaining mystery and not seeming weak. First long term relationship was off there and, while I’m decent looking, I don’t even think my looks mattered all that much. When she met me, she was already hooked and, knowing I had already established my value, I was very confident. I’m much less confident just approaching some girl somewhere.
Anyway, I got used to the whole “Yeah your friend so and so told me to add you.” I’ve never used dating sites. Seems to me like a lot of stuff you say about Tinder applies equally well to POF. I like your idea of two to three sentences but wonder what to write. I took a lot at what the potential “competition” is and 99.9 percent of the profiles were comically bad, ranging from sweaty palmed beta desperation to analphabetic ramblings from guys whose faces could serve as posters illustrating the consequences of inbreeding. The girls, while almost invariably coming off as unintelligent, are actually pretty hot, though to those used to the aesthetic bounty of big cities they would seem rather unimpressive. So that’s my local situation. What do you recommend?
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My bio starts:
Me: I smell really good, like smoked ham. I can read and write. My mom doesn’t have to help dress me anymore.
Boom
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Day game for women? WHOLE FOODS meat /seafood section. good god! I have never NOT been to any whole foods and not,seen more than a few hotties working the meat and seafood section.
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I’d watch out there, though. The place is a meat market. HAHAHAHAHAHAA.
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LOL
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Lol!! Good one 😉
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😝👏👏👏
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Hotties, working at Whole Foods? Not in my experience. But then
(1) the meat counter has men behind it, women rarely work as butchers, and
(2) the checkout people are all black now. There was a time a few years ago when it suddenly changed, like one week to the next, and the checkout people went from all white to all black. (Other staff still mostly white though.) Maybe you are referring to some of those black employees.
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Hotties, working at Whole Foods? Not in my experience
This varies by region. In the Balt./DC Metro area, you have affluent counties where hotties congregate in the streets on weekends but all service sector jobs are staffed by Mystery Meat. Eritrean immigrants or something. Places like that have a white upper and upper middle class class, large brown middle class, and black/mestizo lower class, tucked away for the most part.
The less affluent areas look more like Eighties America. Solidly white middle class, along with plenty of white working class/redneck areas. Plenty of blacks, but next to no browns/Asians. In such areas, young white people will work in service-sector jobs… the lower-end mass marked fast food will be mostly NAM, but mid-level and fancier stores will have solidly young white staff.
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Anyone ever observe the “New Club” phenomenon? It’s where a new club is usually inundated with hot chicks for the first 3 weekends. Then on the 4th, the local Sausage Squad rolls up 40 douche deep and completely sketches off all the women. I’ve seen this played out repeatedly.
Also I’ve observed that if a club want to keep from being ghetto, they just declare Thursdays and Saturdays “80’s Night”. It even works in bad neighborhoods
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This has long been the case. Successful club owners/promoters are under pressure to constantly reinvent themselves, like the pop musicians they host/play. One the buzz about a new club wears off, celebrities stop needing to be seen there, as do hot “scene” girls, so clubs are forced to admit lesser and lesser patrons.
“hot” restaurants have this problem, too. Which is why classic locations and restaurants focus on quality, not newness, and avoid over-expansion.
This is also why long-lasting pop stars constantly change their looks and do something “shocking” every 5 years or so. David Bowie and Madonna being the 1-2 punch of pop for this in the last 40 years.
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I remember reading a story about Blacks complaining that a club was “racist” because it played country music, and they claimed it was a scheme to get them out of there. Probably was. But are night clubs racist for playing hiphop “music”? Oh no, that’s just normal. White culture is not normal, according to them.
With all respect though, “sausage”, “sausage fest”, is a way to mock men. Which is why it isn’t labeled offensive, the way a similar expression about women would be. You can talk about a “sausage fest” during lunch at work, but try calling an evening class a “typical pussy pool” and you run the risk of being reported to the boss.
“sausage fest”. An ugly reference to penises. Feminists make everything sexual, and sexual in the ugliest, filthiest way possible. This is typical not just of feminists but of the entire extreme left. Everything must be dragged down and dirtied. And whenever men are alone, it is described as homosexual, to humiliate the men involved and as a way to promote homosexuality. “See? Everyone is homosexual! It’s everywhere!” Reminds me of how hard the homos have pushed the idea that Batman and Robin are homosexuals. (And apparently in homo sex literature, they write stories about Batman tying up and raping Robin.)
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(And apparently in homo sex literature, they write stories about Batman tying up and raping Robin.)
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in some time.
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stop capitalizing “black”.
I bet you don’t even capitalize “white”.
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A good lesson for schlubs aspiring for improvement from the exchange between YR and SaS re: holding frame without hysteria or hystrionics.
The others are different strokes for different folks (in tackling the female imperative) and that there’s more than one way to skin pussy.
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in case anyone’s wondering (and you should be), i don’t think money has anything to do with these shitty ratios. in many cities with a decent nightlife, women out-earn men.
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They also often go out and don’t have to pay a penny, due to coaxing guys into funding their entire nights heh.
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Money’s connection with status becomes more and more tenuous each day.
A man’s free time is a better status marker these days. If girls know you earn a decent living, yet you seem to be free to take 3-hour lunches, you’ve just earned yourself high status.
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Hey whats up Yareally, back with an update from about a week ago with the chick I met at the 6.5 chick at the club. We’ll call her “21HB6.5”. These past weeks I’ve been busy with school, work, businesses, working out and pursuing my personal goals to build myself. I’m meeting new people slowly but steadily. So, I dont have access to these high end clubs yet; I just go to local student bars around the area and hang out with friends. So yeah, still working on a scarce mentality but regardless, I’ve been adopting this who fucking cares and just have fun attitude.
With 21Hb6.5 we’ve been texting. (I’ll be honest, my texting game isn’t tight, still learning,trying new things texting whatever to amuse myself and have fun) We take awhile to get back to each other but when we do text, its a huge paragraph. Given the timing of our texts and my birthday at the club coming up tomorrow I tried to get her to come out.
Here is the exchange:
I text her jokingly about my day and how my dog puked on my bed.
21Hb6.5(half a day later): “What kind of dog 😮 I love dogs. But ya not a stranger to waking up to sounds of her puking hahaha.”
Mm I feel like if a stranger approached me I would not be looking to see if his zipper was down or not lmao how did that go.
Dead week here so cafes and libraries packed to the max :(”
Me the next morning: “-1000 for looking at unzipped zippers you perv, but a dog lover? +999.9989. I love it when chicks love dogs. Heres my dog. He knnows a bunch of tricks and likes to dance (I send her a video of my dog dancing).
You have one too? What kind
Im just going to assume dead week is like study the fuck out where everyone is like so focused and just hitting those books. Guys begin developing crazy piano hair like mozart and girls havent shaved for days. Yeah, I been there in XXX those weeks. I dont even know how your going to make it to my birthday party at XXX.”
Her next afternoon: “Your dog is hella cute! Not as cute as mine though :p. (She sends a pic of her dog) Pekingese! Happy birthday though!! Prob won’t make it out since lsats coming up in a month so I’m taking a break from alc and nightlife :(”
Yeah, its no big deal about her not being able to come because there are going to be tons of chicks I’m bringing to the club and chicks there, but I’m kind of stuck on how to continue this to lead to the bang. I’m thinking of just texting back casually, “Np maybe next time when you are free” and continue building comfort from there by diving into LSATs and more about her. As of right now, we have not built a super deep connection and I probably did jump the gun on asking her to come out to something like my birthday. Given the logistics and the timing of our texts and me wanting her to come out, I felt it was best to throw out the invite.
I’ve read a lot of your comments about text game so my texting style has changed. I tried jumbotron for a bit and it had its up and downs but I was never able to build a real connection with a chick. As for the sexual innuendo side, it is not really congruent with me. I’ll throw it out here and there for example, mistakenly interpreting her text as sexual but not too much of it. Maybe I’ll take a stab at it and say fuck it!
Anyway, critques of my texts and your thoughts to lead to the bang would be fucking awesome.
@reco good shit on your progress man. Hats off to you and your experiences. I have yet to experience such an experience like your 26yo as I am still learning myself. And your bang with the 40 year old, grats to that as well, she was fucking ready for you!
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@Yareally I left a text report on 21HB6.5 I met at the club. Hopefully, it shows up soon.
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Just an aside. This is what a man looks like. Semper fi.
http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/assets_c/2014/04/hrs_zembiec-13097.html
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Fuck it @Yareally. Here I’ll just send a shorter version. Few weeks ago I had a field report on the 21HB6.5.
We’ve been texting for a bit. We generally take pretty long to get back to each other but long texts. Anyway, my birthday party at a club is coming up and wanted her to come out
Heres the exchange:
21HB6.5 (half a day later to my previous text about my dog puking and joking about my day): “What kind of dog 😮 I love dogs, But ya not a stranger to waking up to sounds of her puking hahaha.
MM I feel like if a stranger apporoached me I would not be looking to see if his zipper was down or not lmao how did that go
Dead week here so cafes and libraries packed to max :(”
Me (next morning): -1000 for looking at unzipped zippers you perv, but a dog lover? +999.99989. I love it when a chick loves dogs. Heres my dog. He knows a bunch of tricks and likes to dance (I send her a video of my dog dancing)
You have one too? What kind
Im just going to assume dead week is like study the fuck out where everyone is like so focused and just hitting those books. GUys begin developing crazy piano guy hair like mozart and girls havent shaved for days. Yeah, I been there in XXX those weeks. I dont even know how your going to make it to my birthday party on Saturday. ”
21HB6.5 next afternoon: “Your dog is hella cute! Not as cute as mine though :p(sends pic of her dog) Pekingese! Happy birthday though!!! Probably won’t make it out since lsats comnig up in a month so I’m taking a break from alc and night life :(”
I’m thinking of just casually saying “np maybe next time” (fuck that when your free shit) and continue building comfort by talking about LSATS her goals, career, adventure, personal shit.
The longer version will hopefully appear later. I’m just trying to not text her 3-7 days later with your advice haha. Anyway, critiques and the steps to lead to the bang are fucking awesome.
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not YaReally, but you seem….anxious…lol…so here goes…
i didn’t see any FR, but you don’t seem to have had a bang yet…
bad news = you’re in the friend zone
good news = you can still try to save this OR have a tremendous learning opportunity…lol…
text her = “some other time then”
that’s it. note – no ‘maybe’…then go dark til next school year…
ping her when school starts…and start over with some more knowledge/game…
that’s your best option…
she’s not even going to ‘flake’ on your bday…she told you straight up she wasn’t coming/interested.
note – pre bang you only need ‘enough’ comfort to overcome ASD and LMR everything else is attraction til you get the notch…your emails were typical friendly exchanges (no sexual content). your only option is to leave the scene and try again later…or not…and get some first hand experience in trying to over come the friend zone…
good luck…
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Hey thanks for the reply having a bad day. Basically, I met this chick at the club, I had full isolation with her and was about to go home with her, but fucked up. From what Yareally said, I took the sarge backwards. Attraction was built but I didn’t take her to the comfort zone where we would bounce to a different location, grab some food or some shit and build more comfort with her.
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I’d offer a bit of comfort regarding the demographics of said females.
As the club culture and drinking culture intensifies and becomes more overtly about sex and as the sluttier females become a demographic that nicer girls want to distance themselves from, women who just want a drink, a chat with their friends or a fun night out will start spending time out earlier (8pm-1am, rather than 12pm-5am), with said friends, their current partner or family and probably in a venue less open to game (restaurants, girlie bars, very loud dancefloors). I know that myself, my female friends and others like us spend more time out with partners or very close friends, during daylight or early evening hours, in places geared towards getting a drink, some food, chatting and dancing. Even those who liked the club and bar scenes are wary and go home early, because of the connotation these environments have developed. So, which women are the ones staying
a: alone,
b: in places where game is easy to practise,
c: in places where they may have been gamed before,
d: out until late,
and e: despite the connotations those behaviours carry?
These girls are almost certainly looking for sex. By eliminating the flakes, the ones out with friends, the lesbians, the feminists, the taken and the club-culture-consumerists, you have a near certainty the girls present want sex. All you need to work out is whether you’re the type she’s looking for.
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The obvious caveat is that many of these girls will be fat or sub-6, as the hotter slutty girls are flooding Tinder and dating sites for ego-stroking and flings.
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By eliminating the flakes, the ones out with friends, the lesbians, the feminists, the taken and the club-culture-consumerists, you have a near certainty the girls present want sex.
There are no signs that those are leaving the club scene, though. And most of those you mention here are certainly not “nicer girls who want to distance themselves from” slutty women.
And the category you mention, the single women who do go out looking for a one-night-stand, don’t want to go somewhere that would only have women of their kind. Because then they would have no excuse to use against undesired men who approach them.
Or so I imagine. There are no singles-only bars where I live, either official or inofficial. When some bars have attempted a singles-only night, it hasn’t turned out well, since it is always full of men, and the women stay away. The ratio turns worse than ever. But maybe in bigger cities there are singles bars?
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True enough on the examples, but nice girls are a rarer breed than you think in the modern day, and most of us are taken. I really should have divided the females into two groups, but oh well. My point was more that nice girls don’t stay out late and girls that stay out late but don’t want sex will frequent venues full of other girls, in the company of friends. Nice girls, staying out of the trouble areas, are not usually the source of annoyance. All I’m saying is, if you have three single women in a bar full of men, chances are they aren’t there for an innocent reason. And the bigger the city, the better that would hold true.
I’m also aware that, due to the reputation of certain types of venue, the girls who don’t want sex or who don’t want to look like sluts are starting to avoid them. Even some of my aquantainces who are at university are avoiding house-parties, clubs and dance nights unless they know there’s no risk of being the only woman.
Then again, maybe the sluts are catching on too, which would lead to THEM deserting the night scene and heading online, which would tie-in with your experience.
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[…] RooshV writes, I went out with my friend on a Friday night, ready to put in work, and this is what I was greeted with instead in multiple bars: what we have here… is an unfavorable ratio Severely skewed sex ratios will affect your game. […]
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Cut the crap and the wasted time and just hire a pro for sex. Cheaper on all levels, and you won’t have to apologize to yourself in the morning.
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lzolzozloozo!!!!! (CH you’ll enjoy this one)
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/09/4108241/monroe-county-judge-david-audlin.html
lzozlozlzozo!!!!!!!!!!!
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Last week when the FedEx shooting by a 19 yo male happened, I surmised in a comment here that it might be from a sexually frustrated beta. Well, his suicide note was released and here we are…
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/police-fedex-shooters-suicide-note-leaves-more-que/nfsPn/
“Kramer’s suicide note revealed a sexually frustrated man who apparently feared living an isolated life. But he cautioned that his “massacre” was not the fault of violent video games, music or another’s influence.”
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All he needed was an overseas vacation and he probably would have seen hope. This should be promoted more!
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watchin jungle gold pretty cool 2 white dudes in ghanna trying to dig for gold
though they keep acting like they need heavy equipment to do anything when they got all kinds of warm bodies all over the place who could do it
guess they trying to give a new frontier to discover or some shit
talkin bout being able to make 70k a day pullin out gold and then some dude just wanted 25 percent to use his land
anyone want to volunteer to go he he he
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No thanks, If I go back to Africa y’all may not let me back in.
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seems like ya might not want to come back
actually pretty cool looking raw and shit
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everyone got there own business reminds me of indo a little bit
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weird part is they were all scared of the Chinese cause the Chinese had shotguns guarding their claims and in beginning chinese actualy stole the claim thy bought
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army mechanic came in and saved the day he he he
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yea Africa need to tell bill gates gtfo
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Roosh responds in his latest post. He must have been reading your guys comments. lol
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Sorry, latest email to subscribers.
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Well, don’t leave us in suspense, now! We aren’t all members of the inner sanctum, ya know! 🙂
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HB Return on Investment
Preteen: “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.” ROI: Low. You are starting to learn the ways of women. You naturally tease and hit the ones you like.
Early teens: Rounding the Bases. ROI: Medium. You invest next to nothing because all you have is chore money and that is too precious to be spent on her. Sucking on tits, fingerbangs, hand jobs and maybe a toothy bj. A lucky few will go all the way. She doesn’t care about what you have, only about how being around you makes her feel. Naturals clean up.
Mid teens: DTF. ROI: High/Very High. You’re working after school. What little money you have is spread thin but maybe you throw down for a pizza and let her smoke some of your stash. Investment rising but still very reasonable considering you’re taking her virginity. She’s DTF everytime you see each other. Fooling around in the car, at the park, at parties, during lunch… she’s soaking wet all the time. She is tight, fresh faced, submissive and eager to please. You are now the baseline for all future relationship comparison. She goes on vacation with her family, her daddy buys her car. Her material needs with regards to you are next to nothing. Bring da movies heyday. Since she’s still in high school her social media network is realistically maxed out at 500 and all of the kids have known her since kindergarten so there’s very little mystery. Few likes on her updates, attention whoring kept to a relative minimum through parental supervision. She doesn’t even think about using the phone when she’s with you. She is experimental in bed but generally wants you in her mouth and pussy.
Late teens: 3-Hole Punch. ROI: High/Very High. Junior and Senior year in HS you’re still able to find virgins plus pull the early adopters who are still relatively fresh. Some sluts will reach double digits before graduation, but most are still worth a look. Your investment costs rise with things like prom but considering you’re getting in all three holes now the return is still excellent. Threesomes, light bondage, atm all come into play now. Once she’s in college the social network explodes. She reinvents herself, the betas swoon and boost her ego and she can get into some college town bars. Still, the cost of a few well drinks and greasy food are nothing compared to the workout you give her. STD’s come into play. Things can go downhill very quickly with her numbers swelling into the 20s and beyond in just her freshman year. Some chance for weight gain. She’s drunk every weekend and some weekdays and still DTF if you don’t go beta. Messy facials, hour long ass fucking, public sex. She’s a hurricane. When she’s home for the summer she’s ready for a few NSA flings. Life is good.
21: The ROI Wall. ROI: High – low. Enter the club. Shit just got ugly. HBs discover the potential of legal age nightlife. Egos off the charts. Surrounded by her pack she becomes a monster. Endless selfies, thousands of followers, attention everywhere she turns. She has a stream of guys aged 21-40 buying her drinks, taking her out to the hottest restaurants, afterparties, drugs, etc. Rich betas, players, frat guys are all getting a piece. Her numbers climb higher. She’s at her theoretical peak of SMV. Abortions, gangbangs, disease. Cuntiness at an all time high. The submissive is gone. She only cares to please herself. She can go starfish, demand extended oral with no recip, cum and then deny you the finish. The world is licking her asshole and she loves every second. Investment here is called, BTFATH or buy the fucking all time high. A poor strategy to say the least but it feels great when you’re doing it.
21-30: The Carousel/Wall. ROI: Medium – low. Some leftovers are better the longer they go. She is not a pot of chili. Her approaching the wall is terrifying to witness. She denies it because of her massive pack of lying girlfriends and beta lapdogs. Alpha cock pump and dumps mixed with beta relatioships. Investment soars. You are using all your connections to provide her with increasingly exciting experiences. Calling in favors, burning through cash, international travel. Her demands soar. It’s a sickening competition between her and her circle to see you can live the most celebrity fabulous lifestyle. The fresh face is gone. Crow’s feet and stretch marks appear. She’s getting thicker and lazier everyday. Her pussy is destroyed. Her ass is destroyed. She’s sucking less and less cock. This is her world and you are an accessory.
31-40: Here Comes the Bride. ROI: low-very low. Post wall beta chump time. The cost of her used up pussy is at an all time high while her SMV is declining by the minute. Wedding, honeymoon, house, furnishings, landscaping, vehicles, vacations, wardrobe, shoes, accessories, nights out, weekend getaways. She is the cunty, demanding, obsessive, psychotic definition of a horrible investment. Guys who play this market will get burned.
40-50: Mommy Cunt. ROI: Very low. Hopefully you wanted kids.
50-60: I’ll See You in Court: ROI: N/A. Hopefully you don’t blow your brains out.
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Girl 3 (“disrespectful, asshole”) gave the number, girl 1 (“shady”) gave the bang, right?
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In essence this is true. I did meet a chick one morning at her place and she was beat down by partying at night. Drunk and tired and dizzy, she wasn’t awakened until I saw her at nearly 1 pm and while the sex was okay, her place, attitude and physical performance were all shitty.
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https://www.facebook.com/topic/Edmonton-Transit-System/107970049231895?source=whfrt&position=2
whorefinder may have to discipline this ho
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Hey guys. Anyone here in Berlin or know of a pickup community there? I’d appreciate any advice.
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Pick-up in Berlin? Sigh, not since the East-West consolidation… all the hot She-Wolves of the SS have hit the wall.
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Amusing little field report.
The HB9 I have been gaming, who’s a server at a diner around here, is somewhat of a golddigger and has wheedled me about my stingy tipping.
Last night, when her shift was off, I told her, “Got a present for ya.” She immediately said, “Money?…” and I then gave her a crummy looking one-hryvnia bill. She lit up like a light, as I said, “It’s from Ukraine.” She looked pleased as punch to take a colorful but nearly worthless 8-cent piece of paper from an exotic locale.
Skittles Man, meet Hryvnia Man.
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NIghtgame is fine. Ratios suck at shitty bars with no cover or tough door. Any venue that anyone can go to without dress shoes and nice clothes is waste of time.
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are you fucking shitting me I mean what the fucking hell happened
i’m at the hospital with my girl and she has mtv on and a fucking dude starts kissing another dude and then spitting in his mouth and hawkering and shit on his face and mouth
i’m like wtf is going on
My girl said that’s nothing they had mtv on in jail and a dude was eating the shit out of another dudes ass and it wasn’t covered up with a blurb or anything
how the hell thy gonna try to senser anything if they don’t senser that
is tv that bad now I haven’t watched it in long time
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Oh for fucksakes. The problem with all of this alpha male bitching is that you assholes just don’t go out and have fun. Keep typing until your fucking fingers bleed and your balls are blue. I live in one of the worst cities in the U.S. for attractive women, and I do fine. It’s probably way beneath you alphas, but go out and fucking talk to people and learn something about yourself and how to better interact with others. One can’t be crowned in a a vacuum.
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Here clubs are often sausagefests too. Back when I went to bars and clubs often(3 times a week or more) it wasn’t that complicated to hit on the girls despite the skewed numbers because usually my group had the most fun. It happened a few times that cabs with other people stopped by the cab we were in and asked us where the after is at or things like this. If you go to bars and clubs with a mixed group of friends and just have fun, others will simply gravitate towards you. I remember those times fondly, but my clubbing friends moved to other countries or started taking work too seriously and it’s hard getting a group like this going after you finished your undergraduate. The reality is that if you have a wide enough social circle, clubbing doesn’t even make sense because with the money you and 5-10 of your friends spend on clubs, you can just rent a villa/yacht, have a buddy that knows how to DJ handle the music etc.
The only real benefit of night game, imo, is that you have the opportunity for some quick bangs. Otherwise the girls you will generally get out of clubs/bars are pretty much worthless for a relationship and they are higher maintenance than the cute girls you can day game. What I miss the most about that time is how effortless meeting new girls was. If you didn’t approach at all, you were either approached by or introduced to 3-5 girls per week just because of the volume of new people you interacted with.
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Thwack: “what am I”
Trusty house servant, T, trusty house servant u r.
And pale skinned (germanic-origin, slavic-origin, scandinavian-origin, and italo-greek origin) field servants are not Public Enemy #1, just Mark #1.
There are options other than running a country as a (neo)feudal system, but plutocracy is having none of that hardwork nonsense.
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Candidates for Omegas of the Month? http://youtu.be/2HruwVGO-20
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Less girls are going out because they are more neurotic and awkward than in the past.
Some guys have wised up and choose not to ogle girls craving attention, so that benefit has decreased for them.
They’re much more socially isolated than ever before. The attractive girls choose to go out with FWB from social circle as another commenter said earlier.
To be honest, if you can get in the social circle, the pickings are *easy*. Girls will throw themselves at you if you look nice and have a semblance of game. The hard part? Finding the social circle with cute girls!
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if you are in a busy enough area you can stand outside and “poach” as they pass by.
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@reco: answered your question back a few posts when you first asked.
Good work. I read your other comments explaining everything. Now I understand where you’re coming from. So, even though wifey put you 4th, she never cheated on you (as far as you know)? Appears she’s getting a good spoonful of dread game. NOW she’s acting like she should have the whole f#cking time!!!
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I think you just have to find your niche and exploit it. I learned in my teenage years to avoid clubs and bars, because frankly I’m shorter and skinnier than pretty much every guy in there, and I got tired of constantly getting into fights with very alpha bros and lesser alphas who wanted to smugly use me to make themselves appear more powerful. I invariably took exception to this and I ended up seriously hurt on a few occasions. Yeah, I got action sometimes – I was cute and cocky as fuck – but it was a huge stress and drain on me and my friends.
I learned to only put myself in situations where I excelled and could show off my own prowess, either verbally or athletically. Clubs are not the place for most dudes like me, just never will be. Whatever pussy I could pull at a club, I could do fifty times better at an Iron Man competition or some other venue where my strengths are on full display.
Control appearances and control your environment. Play to your strengths and belittle the strengths of others. Turn the strength of your competitors into a weakness by making it seem ridiculous or try-hard.
With a lot of effort, game, and money, could I make the night game work? yeah, but I’ve yet to see any motivation to do so. There are so many hot girls everywhere, and truthfully, any thin girl 7 or above will make my dick very very happy. A new batch every year, gentlemen.
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Suppose I’m too late to this post but my take on gym game is that aside from the fact that your first priority should be getting or maintaining strength/swole or “training” for your pussy Warrior Run, it’s all a matter of venue. Big expensive chain gyms in upscale burbs near business office parks will have lots of young professional fluffer chicks. In the urban areas stick with State U gyms or cheap chain gyms in nice neighborhoods. Avoid black gyms where the 2 or 3 nubian goddesses have an army of thirsty trayvons looking to sniff their asses. High-end SWPL gyms in big cities are pretty mediocre. For every hot hipster girl or hot professional chick there’s 10-15 plain jane to flabby hipster dumps and lots of old broads. Not to mention the fact that these gyms are (poz) loaded with fags to the point where they become de facto secret hook up spots and every time you go into the locker room you feel like you might be in an episode of Glee crossed with Oz.
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Find out what drives away the women. And we may have a way to retake lost male spaces colonized by females. This may also be a great opportunity in disguise.
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@thrust: That’s cool about letting that 30-something dude into the VIP. I’ve been that dude like you let it many times. I think it’s because I’m genuinely an empathetic guy. I genuinely like people and see value in them, even though I do have my self-respect so my interactions would never be try-hard or “sweatin’ me”. Got many VIPs just by shooting the shit in this manner. I also believe that if you are a shorter guy and you do this and approach the big bouncer types, they have more respect for you.
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@thrust: P.S. Just curious about something. I’m sure being a bouncer you have finely-tuned radar as far as being able to read people. I’m sure you can spot a man that can handle himself well (looks like he could fight or defend himself well), so I’m wondering how much of that comes into play when someone is also being cool like YaReally mentions and how much that would weigh on your decisions to show the guys some props and treat them better.
I’m guessing a man that looks a bit wimpy doing what YaR says toward you wouldn’t be as effective as if a confident man did it too.
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Was that photo taken in a Jewish drinking establishment?
I ask because it appears most of the patrons are wearing little skullcaps.
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re: #bringbackourgirls
Aye aye, right enough. Reckon I could stow ’em along the port side tweendecks, if the carpenter rigged up some slats. Have to be shackled, tho’. Can’t have ’em wandering about, getting up to all sorts. Might get drownded.
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