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When Evolution Fails

May 15, 2014 by CH

Can evolution fail? I offer the following thought experiment as evidence that there are circumstances in which evolution proceeds along a path that violates its own precepts.

A high SMV (sexual market value) man who likes the idea of being an anonymous father but not a real father, donates to a sperm bank. One thousand low SMV (fat and/or ugly) women get impregnated by his sperm and have one son each. Will this de facto harem leader’s sons grow up to be

a. more attracted or

b. less attracted

to fat or ugly women?

As commenter Arch Hades put it,

Higher quality male peckers have evolutionarily evolved to not want to impregnate fatties.

But what happens when a high quality male pecker makes a contribution to the wombs of low quality females via an aesthetically neutral conduit like a sperm bank? The intrinsic desire of the man for slender, beautiful women will still be passed onto his one thousand sons, despite the fact that, from his genes’ point of view, he willingly plunged the portals of a lot of gross women. He didn’t start with a predilection for fat or ugly women, so whatever genetic code he passes on through the sperm bank women won’t appear in any of his male progeny as an increased attraction for ugly women.

In this instance, the ironclad law of evolution has been overturned. The “attraction for ugly women” genes that would increase in a state of nature where men with those innate predilections seek out ugly mates and pass their predilection onto future generations does not increase in this scenario of the sperm bank acting as middleman.

Now one could say the sperm bank is unnatural and thus the laws of evolution don’t apply, but anything created by humans must be natural in the sense that culture and its appurtenances are manifestations of genetic architecture previously selected for. The sperm bank is as much a part of the evolutionary biofeedback loop as is the stick that a chimp uses to flush out termites.

What does it say then about evolutionary theory that a sperm bank can essentially sever the connection between reproductive fitness and sexually selected traits? What about contraceptives? In a sense, condoms and the pill act like individually owned and operated sperm banks, altering the ancient equation between female (and male) sexual choice and what kind of children they eventually bear (or not bear).

All this is to say we as a species are entering uncharted territory. Anyone who thinks there won’t be awesome consequences lacks the requisite imagination.

Interestingly, you can sort of see the outlines of the above ugly female client sperm bank scenario playing out in real time in the bars and clubs across America. Just substitute “ugly female client sperm bank” with “fat women”, and the picture crystallizes. Like the man contributing to a sperm bank patronized by ugly women who would otherwise only have sex with attractive women, a nontrivial number of men are crossing their lower bound of acceptable female sexual attractiveness to rut with fatties out of necessity and fear of unwilling celibacy. As upwards of 70% of all American women are heavier than their ideal weight, it’s simply a matter of insufficient suitable mate availability driving an evolutionary trend that is at odds with actual reproductive fitness or male sexual attraction predilection.

The future, should my attempts to clear the SMV fog prove prescient, looks like a horror show of gargantuan beastwomen and sexually and romantically unfulfilled men drifting in and out of each others’ lives in a loveless nihilistic melancholy.

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PS On a related “Is evolution failing?” note, the buzzy AmRen article titled “Confessions of a Public Defender” is a harrowing read, and provokes some illicit thought about where we are heading demographically. The impression one gets from this titillating exposure to the minds and values of the zoo animal underclass is that the moral senses… fairness, reciprocity, empathy, guilt, even a basic conception of right and wrong… may very well be unevenly distributed not only among members of the same race but between the races in general. If you quake at the idea that average IQ varies by race, how badly will your bowels shake if it’s discovered that some races are more, or less, morally evolved?

CH has gone out on limbs before that have proven to be supported by trunks of strong empirical oak, and we’ll go out on a limb again, one so far up the tree that few if any will have the balls to venture out with us. Morality and empathy are evolved traits, and like many human traits they will be found in varying degrees and complexities of expression among the world’s races. Given this, the civilized nations would do well to consider that their jurisprudence systems are incapable of impartially subsuming the less morally evolved in a manner that suits their own elevated moral sense. If you cannot or are unwilling to grasp that the defendant sitting across from you is closer in temperament and moral evolution to a feral beast than to your kin, you will forever be stricken with crippling doubt about the nature of your race’s achievements and philosophies.

Demographically, then, it becomes imperative that advanced peoples act to limit the fecundity of relative moral degenerates in their midst, or barring that to erect barriers against the incorporation of the upwardly moral and the downwardly amoral. And yet the exact opposite appears to be the rule of the land currently. Evolution is failing, thanks to a warped altruistic impulse that has provided and sustains a fitness advantage for morally infantile, and thus exceedingly dangerous, humans. Again, like the sperm bank scenario above, the state of nature has been upturned and bifurcated by a middleman — in this case, misplaced leftoid equalist generosity towards lesser people who would impulsively kill them without losing a wink of sleep — and traits that would normally get culled due to the dual pressures of sexual and natural selection become instead numerous and widespread.

Deus ex machina has become hominis ex machina.

PPS This post is supameta, and readers will find it hard to resist pointing out the impossibility of evolution “failing” in a system that is part of the natural universe, but as humans we have also evolved a disposition to employ value judgments that maximize our Darwinian fitness, which is a jargony way of saying that an impersonal natural process can indeed fail if it results in the failure of the one species which has proven capable of identifying that process.

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  1. on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 am When Evolution Fails | Manosphere.com

    […] When Evolution Fails […]

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:10 pm broadsman

      Evolution is like cruise control on your car. It has a null zone. It takes new conditions to generate a corrective response.

      The Western Welfare state is just at a moment in time where we have too much wealth and too few challenges. We can afford to indulge our feelings of altruism.

      But hard times will come again; they always do. If EBT, welfare, food stamps stop, there will be a huge spike in infant and child mortality amongst the underclass. Baby mommas without Uncle Sugar to feed the kids will have no alternative. Baby papas will have no interest, even if they are known. Some Blacks will willingly sell themselves into slavery, just like in the Bible, so to eat. Others who turn to predation will be shot.

      While overall birth rates will fall, the portion of live births reaching sexual maturity for those with a work ethic and human capital (aka the middle class) will get much bigger.

      Mathus was right.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 1:32 pm david

        WOW. watch the movie, “the road”. I must say that yes, I am a fat cat. I am young and have a family that gives me all the money I need for everything. I am looking for a job but its not needed. I could have protected sex with what ever ogre just to “RUT”. and have absolutley no consequences. Too be perfectly honest, I feel like I am CHEATING, life, evolution, the system. everything. I am also fit and healthy and goodlooking too. I feel a twinge of “GUILT”

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 1:53 pm corvinus

        I’ve said it before and will say it again: sperm banks should all be banned. Their users seem to be mainly genetic rejects and homosexuals.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 4:08 pm Libertardian

      David:

      These days everyone has two jobs: one to make money, and the other to hang onto it despite the best efforts of the Fed, the liberals, the so-called “conservatives”, and all the other lampreys (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boca_de_lamprea.1_-_Aquarium_Finisterrae.JPG) who believe at heart that they have more of a right to it. If you don’t have to worry about job #1, congratulate yourself on your good fortune and move on to job #2.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 7:26 pm david

        Ive heard some scary shit about the FED.Is it true that the stock market is just a sham right now? Do you think the dollar is going to stop being the worlds reserve currency? Hyperinflation if this keeps going the way it is? I cant control what the governmet does, these wheels have been in motion since before I was born. I do think tangiable assets like GOLD and SILVER re the way to go to hedge against inflation. But our country is not infallable and people need to understand this.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 pm Canadian Friend

        I’m no expert but I do follow closely the stock market everyday, and here is one thing that is highly suspicious,

        two weeks ago they anounced at what rate the GDP was growing, and it was 26 times smaller than the last time they anounced that number

        the previous time the GDP was growing at 2.6 % and last week they said it was growing at 0.1 %

        as I said that is 26 times smaller, slower or whatever word you want to use

        or a 96% reduction in how fast it is growing, that is very bad news that should have caused ripples or even some panic…
        yet neither the Dow Jones, nor the S&P500 were affected by this very bad new

        That in itself is highly suspicious and it was mentioned in many different articles ( Bloomberg, CNN, Fox news etc ) but it gets even more bizarre

        on that day the White house said that the reason the GDP growth slowed down was because of the bad weather

        I read at least half a dozen articles and everyone was saying (politely as everyone is scared of criticizing the Obama administration) that this did not make any sense.

        First of all, The weather was not that bad as we all know,

        Second,

        for “bad weather” to make the GDP growth slow down to one twenty sixth of its usual number, it would have had to be so bad that thousands of people would have died and entire cities would have been paralyzed or evacuated ( you kind of like happened with Katrina or the events of 9/11)

        yet the official explanation provided by the white house was that the weather had slowed the GDP growth which is the equivalent of saying ” my dog ate my home work” and obvious and totally absurd lie that no one believes

        then how come the markets did not react to the GDP being slowed to a crawl?

        The only explanation is that someone in high places is manipulating the markets

        the other thing I read in at least 3 different articles from 3 different sources is that it is a bit strange that the Dow Jones and the S&P500 are still going up while other indices such as the Russel 3000 show that most mid size stocks are losing value

        That has been my observation as well; many if not most stocks are going down in value yet the two main indexes keep going up as if everything was going great

        As I said I’m no expert but after having been in that field for 5 years I also have become convinced there is serious manipulation of numbers for the main indices; they do not reflect reality ( don’t forget high unemployment which should also hurt the main indexes, yet the indexes are not affected…that is suspicious…)

        Some people think it is impossible that the government manipulates or pulls strings to make the two main indexes look good, but if you have been following the news since Obama got elected you should know that Obama has bent a lot of rules and done things that are not exactly legit….manipulating the main indexes is nothing compared to what he has done. So… the Obama administration is certainly manipulating those numbers to make themselves look good, to convince low information voters that everything is fine.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 11:40 pm Roar

        david: To my limited knowledge the Fed is doing a balancing act. Increasing money supply to encourage growth but the slack in the economy is keeping inflation in check. Other things tie in but I’m trying to keep this simple.

        The dollar will continue to be the world currency as long as it’s perceived to be stable and safe. When the dollar is no longer considered stable then worry. Gold and silver probably depends on how much your worried about inflation and your faith in alternate investment options. Such as your worried about inflation, a stock market crash and a government default. Some do believe stocks are over valued right now and a harsh correction is due.

        I’m sure there has to be places online with people who like to over think and discuss these things somewhere on the internet.

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 10:39 am the_stranger

      I’m not sure how this is so dramatically different from the myriads of pregnancies that occur via drunken one night stands from an ethics standpoint. From a genetic standpoint, there are genetic tests run on both parties, and it is a thoughtful process, requiring resources. Not to mention a woman using a sperm donor forgoes child support, and must be in a position to care for her child on her own. To me, this is far more moral than tricking a man into pregnancy to leach his resources. Most of the women I have known to do this are quite alpha themselves. If you live in a large metropolitan area, just walk into an IVF center and look around the waiting room and you will see for yourself. No hoodrats, no BBF’s. If anything, it’s weeding out the riff raff and improving the genetic pool.

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    • on May 17, 2014 at 8:25 am Anonymous

      Evolution fails? Hardly. Women want men other women want, and the hotter those women, the better a mate the man is likely to be. Thus, a man who affiliates with low SMV women signals to all women that he himself is low SMV. If you bonk Patty the Porker, who then tells Holly the Hottie that she had sex with you, Holly assumes that you’re dumpster-diving out of desperation. Hence the repulsion to unattractive women.

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  2. on May 15, 2014 at 10:10 am Steve Johnson

    Evolution ain’t failing and the progressive state ain’t failing either.

    The progressive state / the Cathedral / the mandarinate is breeding exactly the population it wants.

    Cheap to bribe – because they’re genetically guaranteed to be poor.

    Violent and impulsive – better to unleash on their enemies (and yet, easy to avoid because of the impulsiveness).

    No patience / extreme short term orientation – so they never take advantage of their huge numbers.

    Progressivism is evolution.

    Unfortunately evolution just makes what’s adaptive more numerous. It cares not at all for what’s better.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:17 pm Edward Waverley

      You’ll need to parse “adaptive” from “better” more sharply to avoid a tautology. If an ‘adaptive’ trait is which trait facilitates a species’ survival, it is by definition a better trait than one which facilitates a species demise.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 3:12 pm Zombie Shane

      > “a jargony way of saying that an impersonal natural process can indeed fail if it results in the failure of the one species which has proven capable of identifying that process”

      Be careful, Heartiste, you keep talking like that and The Derb might not wanna be your girlfriend anymore.

      Maybe you could blame it on a ringer who was writing under your name?

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 4:21 pm Libertardian

      I agree that things are going just as they planned. As someone said here a while back, they’ve fired the electorate and replaced it with a third-world one more to their taste. Their favorite Friday night pastime is probably reading histories of the Raj or looking at pictures of a favela taken through the glass and steel railing of a penthouse balcony.

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 12:55 am T.J. Hunter

      Natural selection acts on a group level, in addition to the commonly-envisioned individual level. The group/tribe/race is a superorganism, competing with other superorganisms. The individuals that compose the European group carry a genetic suite that made for a successful group until recently.

      Seeing third-worlders with 80 IQs out-breeding and ethnically-cleansing 120+ IQ whites gives the impression that natural selection is not working, which is a repulsive violation of our values for those of us who believe in natural law; and at the individual level, natural selection certainly is not working. The group-level picture is more coherent.

      Clearly sub-equatorial groups are not legitimate competitors for Northern groups. No sane observer would argue that Ethiopians could ever dominate the Chinese in any meaningful arena, or that Bolivian Indians could rival Germans. The world is a competition between the top Northern tribes. The European group is hemorrhaging not due to domination by proto-humans, but because it is infected by a parasite–The Jew.

      Judaiobacter Europaea.

      Judaiobacter may be understood as a cancer, as it is a malignant growth derived from the European body itself. However, it is most cogently viewed as a cultural form of the AIDS virus: in order to survive within its host, Judaiobacter evolved behaviors to suppress the host’s collective immune system, leaving the host open to foreign infiltration. The behaviors include camouflaging and mimicry, but most importantly cultural critique and cultural manipulation. Cultural attack is effected through mass media–programming the onboard computer of every cell in the host superorganism with ideological software that neutralizes defensive behaviors. Liberalism. Egalitarianism. Christianity. Anti-racism. In this way, Judy can feed off of its host without being expelled.

      Effectiveness of suppression is inconsistent, so The Jew has historically lived through many cycles of infection/expulsion/transmission/infection, each one feeding the Jewish mythical historical victim narrative, driving successive generations to more frenzied levels of paranoia and hate for their hosts. Western Civilization has now reached the climax of this cycle. Judaiobacter has evolved horrifyingly beautifully, adeptly circumventing our crude immune responses. Induced immunodeficiency has entered the terminal phase.

      Like AIDS, Judy lacks the machinery to kill its host itself; it kills by suppressing its host’s immunity to invasion by other threats. Thus, the colonization of our homelands by third-world groups. This raises the paradox of the Jewish method: by weakening their host, they render it defenseless to the Jew, but also to other opponent groups who may become the majority and will be less susceptible to infection. The Jew is in effect burning its own life raft. Irrational? Yes. But like any virus, it is behaving according to its natural design.

      Immunity is a primary factor in natural selection as well as its sub-process–sexual selection. The characteristics that facilitated Europeans building the great civilizations also made them vulnerable to Judaiobacter, which evolved to its role as bees evolved to flowers. The Jew constantly shrieks that we are racist; in biological reality, we are not racist enough. The average European blueprint provides a reasonably high IQ and the best moral character, which allowed us to prosper and become fat and lazy; this unprecedented prosperity combined with our good nature is the perfect storm to dethrone us as reigning champion. We will naturally re-group to fight again, but only after severe damage and tremendous loss. A lack of immunity.

      It’s interesting that the Jew is not even a race. It’s an identity. The Jew is nothing but a replicating idea, which generates and propagates other destructive ideas, which have devastating effect on the universe of human genes.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:45 am thwack

        The Jew is nothing but a replicating idea, which generates and propagates other destructive ideas, which have devastating effect on the universe of human genes.
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        the same could be said about white people; a cancer that spread from europe to infect the entire planet.

        Get back in your cave before I throw a sunbeam at you.

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  3. on May 15, 2014 at 10:21 am fakeemail

    “is failing, thanks to a warped altruistic impulse. . .”
    Altruistic my ass. All these insane policies are evolutionary strategies (conscious and unconscious) to demonstrate moral superiority, bludgeon others, and consolidate wealth among fewer people.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 11:11 am Peter Connor

      Yes, the elites have it figured out, maybe. But the mass of middle class suckers have been lured into this scam by suicidal altruism and lemming like follower mentality.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 11:53 am Zombie Shane

      > “Morality and empathy are evolved traits, and like many human traits they will be found in varying degrees and complexities of expression among the world’s races.”

      The most horrifying trait of all, though, is the “evolved” ability to FAKE morality and empathy.

      And YKW I’m talking about here.

      When sociopaths learn how to fake the right signals, and when normal folk fall prey to the fakery, then there is literally no stopping the sociopathic.

      “Well, there is no famine.”

      http://www.garethjones.org/published_articles/st_patricks/litvinov_famine_denia_oldl.htm

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 1:19 pm Edward Waverley

        “When sociopaths learn how to fake the right signals”

        I don’t find the altruistic pose of YKW convincing in the slightest. I see right through it every time.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 2:27 pm Zombie Shane

        > “I don’t find the altruistic pose of YKW convincing in the slightest. I see right through it every time.”

        But tens of millions of your fellow “citizens” – chimpanzees, armadillos, gooks, single mothers on welfare, most jesuits, most sodomites, most unitardians and assorted churchians* – simply do NOT see through it.

        They fall for it every single time.

        And these sheep** are getting damned close to being a permanent majority of “50% + 1” in this country.

        *Not to be confused with Christians.

        **The other day, a caller to the Rush Limbaugh show called them “disco sheep”.

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  4. on May 15, 2014 at 10:24 am Peter Connor

    After hundreds of thousands of years, there probably aren’t ANY genes left in the gene pool for attraction to fat, ugly (=unhealthy) women. So there is no way that the resulting progeny will have such an attraction.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:04 pm Arbiter

      Indeed, I would wager that the sons of attractive men/fat women via sperm bank will have the same standards as most people.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 1:19 pm Edward Waverley

        They will. Unfortunately, they will be saddled with a half-inferior makeup.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 9:29 pm Glenbert

        This is all wrong. The child will also carry the genes of his chubby chasing maternal grandfather. And those genes are likely dominant while, given the rarity of “higher quality peckers,” those genes are recessive.

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  5. on May 15, 2014 at 10:28 am Kyo

    “The future, should my attempts to clear the SMV fog prove prescient, looks like a horror show of gargantuan beastwomen and sexually and romantically unfulfilled men drifting in and out of each others’ lives in a loveless nihilistic melancholy.”

    And by “the future”, you mean “the present”.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 11:57 am Zombie Shane

      > “loveless nihilistic melancholy”

      If you get too depressed about this stuff, then go back a few threads, and read about the Amish.

      There are folks out there who are trying to immunize themselves against the nihilism of modernity.

      They just don’t get any publicity because the elites don’t want you to learn of their existence.

      And, of course, obligatory Home School FTW shout out.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm Edward Waverley

        CH readers have no business exposing any of their kids to Cathedral Indoctrination Centers.

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  6. on May 15, 2014 at 10:28 am Southern Man

    Western Civilization, founded on those who (by and large) evolved to follow a K-selection strategy, has created a world that favors those who follow the r-selection strategy. Thus, evolution is working just fine. Steering us straight into Idiocracy isn’t what we K types intended, but we’re not in command of evolution.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 11:13 am Peter Connor

      When over population, erosion, declining soil fertility, etc. return us to a k-type environment, there is a possibility of major change in the carnage that will follow.

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  7. on May 15, 2014 at 10:35 am Just Saying

    Evolution fails and indeed ceases once those who are unfit to survive are kept alive. That means that keeping the elderly alive, or those with a disease, or any of a hundred other reasons. Humans have thumbed our collective noses at evolution – for better or worse… We will take control now that we understand genes and how they operate. Laws will be put in place, and we will ignore them – for a simple reason, humans want what we do not have, and always will. So we will eventually do a better job then evolution ever could – unless the Government gets involved and f**ks everything up, as they tend to do.

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  8. on May 15, 2014 at 10:36 am grim

    Black women with IQs of 80 have 6 kids each and nobody in the family works, all get welfare.

    The beta men work as indentured servants to pay taxes to feed the black “families” of 6…none of them, not men or women, work.

    At least with slavery they were forced to work for their keep. AS they are only capable of manual labor and will only work when forced to do so, this was the proper system.

    White women with IQs of 100-115 have 0 to 1 kids each.

    This is what is happening now.

    Do the math.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm Edward Waverley

      “At least with slavery they were forced to work for their keep.”

      They were also far happier as a race in that arrangement.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:46 am thwack

        Are you happy when your children get raped?

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 10:16 am grim

      @ thwack, we don’t have any kids, because white women have been brainwashed out of giving them to us, and we have standards for how we must support each one, and therefore we can’t afford them because we can’t support them after we pay 40% of our income in taxes to pay for the EBT cards for the black “families” of 8 none of the members working, male or female, and proudly so.

      this is forced genocide that is being done to us on purpose by YKW, as we discuss here often.

      I’m in my office right now. I am literally a modern day slave. I am a white man under attack from all angles every day and I must work 50 hours a week to pay for my family and to feed 8 black kids and their dads and moms with EBT cards.

      At a MINIMUM welfare should be tied to forced 8 hours of working doing manual labor.

      I would like to go out in the sun and get some fresh air or drink a 40 on my porch right now, but as a white man, I am a slave. I am forced to work in this office all day and I’m not free to drink 40s and smoke blunts all day like blacks are.

      I am forced to work here 50 hours a week only to pay 40% of what I make in taxes to support those who can’t and won’t work…and when my kids go to college they will get no scholarships and I’ll have to pay with MY money that I’ve saved after paying that 40% in taxes all these years, and also paying for my ex wife’s life because the same YKW created no fault divorce and allowed women to go feral and take our kids away from us because they are unhaaaaaappy after 5 to 7 years.

      I am a slave. You have never been a slave (Unless you are a father who supports your kid(s)…if so I take it back, but it doesn’t seem like you have kids)

      No blacks other than the few who are supporting fathers have been slaves since 1865.

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  9. on May 15, 2014 at 10:36 am little spoon

    Evolution was probably never there to increase morality or intelligence. Hence goldfish are dumb and hyenas are kinda evil. But it’s not moral to lie and deny truth, which is what leftoidds do. If they recognized research that showed personality traits and intelligence were genetic, they would have reason to produce some children and not endlessly incentivize those who are less intellectually developed. Thus, what we have is the result of immorality affecting our evolutionary trajectory as leftoidism is sustained by the immorality of lies and extreme self abnegation. I don’t think we can yet say that evolution fails when it produces an organism that is so self aware that it recognizes its evolutionary origins.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 10:48 am ho

      “and hyenas are kinda evil.”

      They’re less evil than your country’s favorite animal.

      (Tigers)

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 10:49 am little spoon

        Tigers are less evil than muslims.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 11:21 am ho

        Bullshit. You would much rather stay in the same room with me than with a big striped kitty. 😀

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 12:00 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Tigers are less evil than muslims.”

        Oh. My. God.

        Little Miss FeminaziX just made a value judgment.

        Satan must be making snowballs in Hell about now.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 5:35 pm corvinus

        Little Miss FeminaziX just made a value judgment.

        Not necessarily, since in her country, they think of Pakistan, which is their #1 enemy.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 5:52 pm little spoon

        I do not regard Islam so poorly because I am of Indian ancestry. I hate Islam because Islam is evil. Islam is evil from Nigeria to Indonesia to California, not just in Pakistan.

        I don’t actually think that highly of India in objective terms.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 10:48 am little spoon

      Well, I mean that we ought not say the existence of moral reasoning is incompatible with evolution when our present dysgenic problem stems from immorality or not using moral reasoning we should have.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 12:04 pm Zombie Shane

        Jesus Frigging Christ.

        What’s next? You’re going to stop hating on Whitey for murdering all those pagan false-gods and rending them into cheeseburgers?

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 12:06 pm Agapoula

      Yes, tigers are natural animal, but aggressive, would not want to be in room with in, but they are still beautiful.
      Islam on the other hand, is probably more dangerous than one of these top of the food chain animals, yes.

      @Zombieshane. Long time no speak agapi! How are you zombs? 🙂

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 2:56 pm ho

        “Islam on the other hand, is probably more dangerous than one of these top of the food chain animals, yes.”

        Sometimes I wonder if you people are being edgy or just really stupid.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 3:15 pm Agapoula

        Lol, why is that stupid? Have you read about sharia Law? Tell me, you would prefer to live in a society ruled by Sharia government?t, or in a country where you have a 1 in whatever chance, of a tiger-attacking you?
        If you live in Sharia Law country you have much bigger chance of being slaughtered by the Law, than by a tiger. Is talking logic considered edgy? :).

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 4:17 pm little spoon

        Neither. What we are is correctly informed about the tenets of islam and its long term effects.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 11:06 pm ho

        “Lol, why is that stupid? Have you read about sharia Law? Tell me, you would prefer to live in a society ruled by Sharia government?”

        Nope. That doesn’t mean muslims are “more evil than Tigers” though. As I said, who would our dear bindi rather stay in a room with over night: pantera tigris or yours truly?

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 7:40 pm david

      mind Blown

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  10. on May 15, 2014 at 10:38 am ho

    This shouldn’t be a suprise to you CH. If fish can lose eyesight because they live in dark caves, people can decrease in quality as well.

    I see it like with domestic animals: they may not be fit to live in nature, but since we exist (biotic factor) they are very fit for the niche they occupy. Even those fainting sheep (goats?)

    Come to think of it, this really shows how trivial Darwin’s theories were when you look at it from a certain perspective.

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  11. on May 15, 2014 at 10:46 am ho

    “Evolution fails and indeed ceases once those who are unfit to survive are kept alive.”

    If you’re capable of living, you aren’t “unfit to survive”.

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  12. on May 15, 2014 at 10:47 am Grit

    “in this case, misplaced leftoid equalist generosity towards lesser people who would impulsively kill them without losing a wink of sleep…”

    The fact that so few leftoids feel the brunt of their doing, which I assume can be gleaned from prevalence of news stories, is telling. Granted, there are a few cases now and then (see knockout game, and more recently a family of six whites -kids and all- beat up by blacks), but for the most part, liberals do a good impression of water and oil.

    I think the video of Alain Soral on feminism gives a telling hypothesis:

    Feminism as preached by a bourgeois woman means something incredibly different to a woman of lower class. If the media were to take up that battle, it would be unthinkable: low class woman versus upper middle class dainty bourgeois woman. So for that reason, the face off never happens. If it did, the upper class woman would almost certainly win the sympathy of the crowd every freakin time, and you would even see lower class women sympathizing with the plight of the upper class- essentially selling out their own position. Feminism is a plight doomed in one direction: the upward looking direction, because thats the pecking order.

    The resulting landscape results in a few women with bourgeois feminist ideals, and a lot of women caught in silent desperation with their own humanity devalued.

    Related back to liberals in general, this kind of bourgeois idealism would explain the separation of society into bourgeoise and gimmedats.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm jrackl

      It’s like lower class women got bamboozled by feminism.

      Modern feminism started in the late sixties and through the seventies and was centered around getting in the workforce. Inflation was exploding at about the same time. So the elites had to get women into the workforce because household income on one wage earner couldn’t make ends meet any more.

      The best way to get some one to do something is to get them to do it voluntarily, like they had the idea themselves. Ergo feminism. Now it’s “we’re joining the workforce to get parity in opportunity and the right to be like men” etc, etc. Sure, that’s how it was played. But really, you went into the workforce because of massive inflation and because you were poorer. You got suckered into thinking you were fighting the patriarchy.

      I think the masters of influence played it nicely and ginned up feminism to prevent a real revolution, instead they played up the one we got, which is the phony feminist one.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 8:30 pm Subway Masturbator

        fakeemail–NO NO NO!!! It’s WELAFARE state and the money is GETTING DILUTED amongst the BAD DARK people.

        Don’t start with this concentration of wealth myth, that’s all CATHEDRUL lies done with numbers.

        Above all, don’t say PLUTOCRACY.

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      • on May 17, 2014 at 12:50 am JohnDSee

        You are forgetting some of the other driving forces, not the least of which was to generate more tax revenue. They couldn’t tax them if all they did was take care of the house and kids.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 4:34 pm cynthia

      Strangely enough, there are plenty of feminists today who recognize that the first and second wave feminists were only interested in satisfying the desires of upper middle class white women, and the movement was not structured towards addressing the very real needs of poor women and “women of color.”

      However, instead of recognizing the obvious truth – that feminism is nothing more than a couple of spoiled, entitled bitches throwing a temper tantrum – these feminists are doubling down, and trying to find ways to extend their movement to help these other categories. I think that makes about as much sense as a faction of Nazis advocating for human rights for the Jews, but my sex doesn’t really think things through.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 8:33 pm Subway Masturbator

        Ha ha, brown people make more babies than you whitey. Ha ha, you’re going extinct since you’re too cold and intellectual to enjoy children and really live.

        Ha ha, the same icy “logical” detachment that led to the gas chambers and you nuking whoever you wanted means you’re ceasing to exist!!
        Ha ha! Ha ha!

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:50 am thwack

        Nothing is stopping white people from EXPANDING the definition of “white”; after all, it is just an improvised racial device.

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  13. on May 15, 2014 at 10:50 am tteclod

    Reblogged this on A Life Un-Lived.

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  14. on May 15, 2014 at 10:50 am Donnald

    I suspect guys donate to sperm banks for the cash. I don’t think they have a desire to be “an anonymous father.”

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 2:59 pm fakeemail

      Disagree. They get a deep Darwinian ego trip of impregnation dozens to hundreds of women. It’s for the ego more than the money.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 4:26 pm Simon Corso

        ” It’s for the ego more than the money.”

        * cough * No, *cough cough* it isn’t .

        College is expensive. Ramen noodle diets get old fast.

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  15. on May 15, 2014 at 10:55 am CarpeOro

    Evolution has been subverted by the power of the system that was created by the civilized leadership of the past. Now that the leadership has been supplanted by less skilled leadership the system is breaking down. When it completely fails (something very likely to happen in our life time) things will be back close to square one. Those unwilling to strive to improve their lot or at least support someone with a vision will be winnowed away. I expect high mortality rates and a lot of blood. You can only paddle upstream so long with a canoe that is falling apart.

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  16. on May 15, 2014 at 11:06 am A Page For Men

    “What does it say then about evolutionary theory that a sperm bank can essentially sever the connection between reproductive fitness and sexually selected traits?”

    Interesting concept but I wonder if it is a false concept. Reports have it that genes don’t make you fat, eating makes you fat. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-antidepressant-diet/201111/can-your-genes-really-make-you-fat

    If this is true, from a gene stand point this implies body fat of the woman having the kid will not interfere with the gene’s of the baby.

    For the most part, men will still want then women. It does bring up another interesting thought… if there isn’t a fat gene, why are we biologically programmed to not like fat women?

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 11:10 am CH

      it’s more that men are biologically programmed to like hourglass-shaped women within a 17-23 BMI range, and fatness conceals that attractive shape so men are repulsed by fat women.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 11:55 am having a bad day

        from the gene’s point of view, that high value male busted into that female at her ‘hottest’ (given her age…) we all know the ‘fatty loses weight, turns into babe’ story…unless her egg is carrying some genetic ‘memory’ of mom’s fatness at time of conception, fatty’s actual appearance doesn’t matter…her genetic potential will be assumed because of the high value of the male…

        given the premise of 1000 women, what would the distro of female SMV be given each of those fatties being at their ideal weight/max genetic potential? probably pretty close to a standard bell curve…so no genetic drift…

        more concerning is the culture surrounding said fatties, since any children born into that culture will be more likely to express ‘physical appearance drift’…lol…you better double up on using that shiv…before it’s too late…lol…

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 12:03 pm Canadian Friend

      Ok so genes don’t make you fat but genes can make you ugly

      and if ugly women – that in real life no good looking man would “do” and certainly would not want to have a baby with – have babies trough sperm banks, those ugly women in most cases will transmit their ugly genes to their kids.

      I say in most cases because nature sometimes has a will of its own; Hollywood celebrities who are some of the best looking people sometimes have ugly kids

      and sometimes ugly parents have a gorgeous offspring,

      and occasionally a baby is born with two heads, but I digress..

      anyway those ugly women using sperm banks are going to affect the ratio of ugly/good looking people in the long run

      their kids may not become fat but they are very likely to inherit their mother’s big nose, their mother’s bad proportioned bodies or man hips, or whatever made that mother unattractive…

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  17. on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 am Zoyd Wheeler

    Evolution is irrelevant to our value judgements and vice versa. Does gravity “fail” because you dropped your beer? Don’t be teleological, dear.

    You can get some amusing results by giving the system amusing inputs — remember Letterman dropping watermelons off roofs? — but the system is doing what it does, and “whatever it does” is exactly its definition.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm Canadian Friend

      Maybe we should be saying “the white race is failing” instead of “evolution is failing”

      Or that evolution has been the white race’s demise…

      It seems at this point in some ways we are “too evolved”

      just as being so evolved or advanced that we can make nuclear bombs that can vaporize the entire race, Western Civilization and one of its worse creation – the pathologically altruistic leftist – have reached a level of “evolution” where they are a threat to us all ( us western /whites ).

      Or maybe it is not that we are too evolved but that we are evolving in a weird direction that can only fail just as dinosaurs failed

      just bouncing ideas…

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 3:26 pm eyeslevel

        Parasites have stumbled on an effective set of techniques for turning off white peoples’ psychological immunity. (Yelling “racist!”, “sexist!”, “xenophobe!”, “anti-Semite!”, etc.) They are feasting on the accumulated mountain of white created production and social and physical capital. In evolution, sometimes the parasites get a temporary lead. But, as they create nothing, it can only last until the host develops immunity to the new threat or dies.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 7:11 pm Director

        We failed to exterminate the current occupiers of Africa when we had the means.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm Canadian Friend

        I don’t know about exterminating them but good fences make good neighbors

        Each race should have stayed in their own nation as they had been doing for thousands of years.

        We still could have global trade and tourism and student visas and such things, but each race should have their own nation, they can visit but they can not stay.

        Importing millions of incompatible people is the worse idea humans ever had

        and to those reading this and thinking ” Oh he is just a hateful white supremacist!!”

        If I told you I had found the solution to putting an end to poverty and disease in Africa, you would say “great!”

        right?

        and if I told you my solution would be to slowly replace the blacks with millions of white immigrants until Africa became a white nation you would be horrified

        right?

        well we are doing exactly that to ourselves in white nations; we are importing millions of immigrants who are replacing our culture and our race.

        If it would be a crime to replace Africans with whites to make Africa a better place how is it not a crime to replace whites with colored people to make the West a better place???

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      • on May 17, 2014 at 8:16 am JohnDSee

        America accepts all these turd-worlders for some reason. Why? Because of the bs carved into the statue of liberty? That isn’t an amendment. The naturalization act of 1790 has been re-interpreted all the way to the reconstruction amendments, but I don’t see how foreigners have free reign to become citizens. Just some scribble on the Statue.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:55 am thwack

        Director

        We failed to exterminate the current occupiers of Africa when we had the means.
        ———————————————————————————————

        And the Director sock puppets for Greg Eliot saying the things he WANTS to say but can’t/wont…

        Eliot was among the first to call out sock puppets, now look at him?

        (((shakin my MFH)))

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:28 pm Edward Waverley

      “Evolution is irrelevant to our value judgements and vice versa.”

      Which is why the moralistic conjectures of Evolutionists is always so rich and risible.

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  18. on May 15, 2014 at 11:16 am chi-town

    Evolution’s most consistent new creation is that of failure. However yes, it does imply that his son’s will be miserable until its all baked into the cake.

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  19. on May 15, 2014 at 11:26 am whorefinder

    Evolution has failed already. It’s given us blacks, gays, feminist, and lefties in general.

    Fuck evolution and humanity and the darkies.

    Fuck the left!

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 12:38 pm Canadian Friend

      Rapevolution!

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 5:34 pm corvinus

      Fuck the left!

      That would be pretty much any time you have sex, given female political views.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 6:03 pm Simon Corso

        Rape-a-palooza

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 8:39 pm Subway Masturbator

      well, hasn’t evolution given us wing nuts and tea baggers too?

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 11:03 pm whorefinder

        lol. The idea that kneegroes, broads, and fags are EXACTLY EQUAL to those who stand for liberty is a leftist lie run amok.

        To the death of civilization, comrades! Seig heil, mein Obama!

        Talk to PA, Piggy’s Squealer, about that false equality.

        Political rape!

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  20. on May 15, 2014 at 11:30 am Agapoula

    Great post. I love the posts that touch on Science, bravo.

    So, from a logical perspective, I cannot fathom why any men in his correct mind “donates sperm”, because logically sperm is precious, and he must be selective about who he gives his seed to! Just imagine if biologically speaking, a fit man donates sperm to a woman who is genetically not healthy. Her bad genes “dilute” his good sperm, and he has “wasted”it from scientific perspective? Or am I completely off, here?

    How the sons would grow up to be. Ahhh, that is beyond me. It would be completely random between the mother and father, yes?
    I have heard a theory, thought I am not sure of it credibility that men take on more genetics of mother, and girls of their fathers. Which from a social perspective DOES seem to make some sense.

    Now, I do not agree with some parts of your post, because this is never going to be a fair topic, even talking about it makes me feel cruel. 😦 (Nature does seem to be a bit mean 😦 ), but I appreciate where you are going with it. This line confuses me, “Now one could say the sperm bank is unnatural and thus the laws of evolution don’t apply, but anything created by humans must be natural.”

    I do not understand this. How is everything created by us natural? Human beings have potential to have seriously perverted minds, drifting far from what is “natural”. No offense, with that, but since when was human nature not capable of serious depravities? 🙂

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 11:33 am Agapoula

      And most men are not going to be attracted to obese women I think. It is biological that a man would be attracted to a fertile woman, whether he has off genes or not, biological imperative is to pass those genes along. Something which he is much less capable of being successful with, with a obese and unhealthy woman.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm Edward Waverley

      By definition, Evolutionary philosophy is a strictly closed-system worldview, and utterly naturalistic. Nothing can be either Supernatural, nor Anti-Natural, in the Evolutionary world view.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 12:58 am boot

        3

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  21. on May 15, 2014 at 11:30 am XVO

    Wait wait wait! This actually might be a good thing. Because these low value woman are presumably going to get pregnant at any rate, nature will find a way a la Jurassic Park. The sperm bank merely gives them the opportunity to get impregnated by a higher value man then they would normally be able to fetch. Most likely they would normally only be able to fetch some social reject to impregnate them or some unfortunate beta on a one night stand.

    high value man + low value woman = average child

    low value man + low value woman = low value child

    That high value man is going to continue living his life and father as many children with high value women as he would given his resources, but now he blocks some low value men from low value women perhaps improving the gene pool.

    The bigger problem is subsidizing low value people to have low value children.

    Now I’m normally a nature over nurture kind of guy but obesity really seems to be one of the traits that is mostly environmental, it appears that it has to do with the food people eat causing an addiction (sugars).

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  22. on May 15, 2014 at 11:40 am ck

    From a genetic standpoint, natural selection is a lottery where multiple genetic types and variation can lead to survival of the species. On this view, the idea would be to impregnate every woman possible. This is the view of less advanced societies where polygamy takes place.

    However, there is an argument that for survival, evolution is more than Darwinian (random genetic mutation survives), but also Lamarkian (adapted necessary characteristics survive). In other words, intangibles like morals and virtues make a difference in future survival of humans. This is the argument for the superiority of monogamy rightly practiced.

    SWPL liberals are neither of the above. Their sterile and fruitless lives will be merely what George Carlin referred to as a “surface nuisance” and a ridiculous footnote to the history of human biology.

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  23. on May 15, 2014 at 11:53 am YaReally

    Time for some mind-fucking.

    Newest video from Tyler. The infield in this is off the charts:

    1) At the start of the vid he shows infield footage of chicks scolding his better-looking rich dentist buddy for saying sexual shit. Then Tyler comes in and says the exact same shit and she LOVES him…even with his buddy still right there in front of her. Because she views his buddy as a Provider beta type Nice Guy (and his voice tonality/confidence/etc. is weak) so she won’t let him escape his “Nice Guy” box and bitches him out for it. But Tyler can get away with saying offensive sexual shit because he’s “fun” and not a Provider to her.

    This is how I do a LOT of my game…I disqualify myself right away from being “boyfriend material” so I can do more blatantly sexual shit that other guys can’t because the girls don’t view me as potential long-term relationship material.

    Also note how if both Tyler and his buddy were asked “what did you think of that girl?”, his buddy would probably say “oh she was a prude, she would be impossible to have sex with until after a few dates, she doesn’t like joking around about sex or anything”, but Tyler would probably say “quit asking me questions, that chick wants to suck my dick ASAP”. Both guys saw different sides of the exact same girl.

    One would have seen her as a Madonna, the other as a Whore. But it’s the same girl. It comes down to “which side of her do YOU bring out of her?” This is why I see the Whore side of girls that other guys only ever see the Madonna side of.

    2) After that, Tyler is saying a ton of sexual shit to a chick who’s THANKING him for making her feel special and awesome. He’s telling her he’s going to make her kiss a girl, he’s being crude telling her he’s a sex addict etc. Then dentist guy is talking to her and she’s bitching him out because he said “not nice things”.

    Also lol at Tyler shoving the cognitive dissonance in girls’ faces and them going silent trying to comprehend their own double-standards lol

    3) After that, Tyler goes back into the club acting like a chode (voice tonality gets more beta/unsure of himself, and he acts nicer/Provider-ish in general) and he gets bitched out by the girls. Same dude, saying the same type of shit, but a different vibe/mindset behind it. Blow-out.

    4) Midway thru the vid he tells a girl she puts peanutbutter on her pussy and has her dog lick it off and she loves him and then he makes her kiss another girl (his GF I think) and the girl says “I’m married!” after kissing her. Does her hubby see that Whore side of her who’ll ? Or does he think he married a Madonna.

    5) Later in the vid Julien is talking about the peanutbutter thing again and then just lol’s and takes the chick home. Because he’s allowed to do that. Nice rich good-looking dentist guy isn’t cause he’s supposed to stay in his Nice Guy box.

    6) At the end of the vid (18:25) he kisses a random girl on a whim and then has his girlfriend (who hunts for 3somes with him, pretty sure she’s the one who kissed the married girl earlier) go sit with a girl who’s crying/drama and work her and then they all hop in a cab together to go hang out (and likely bang).

    At the start of this vid there’s a few minutes of solid infield (warning the Eliot Hulse stuff gets fuckin’ weird lol, just watch the infield stuff in the first 5 min):

    At 0:25 he’s just spreading value and warming up having fun. At 1:45 he kisses a cold approach girl, then has his girlfriend kiss her too. At 2:25 he instructs his girl to go pull a girl over and they 3-way makeout which escalates from silly fun to legit sexual making out at 3:12 and they all walk away together (to have a 3some if he wants to, tho I think he stayed to hang with Eliot more).

    So when you’re talking to girls, are you the Nice Guy or the Seducer? Are you spreading enough value and good vibes that girls want to 3-way makeout with you? Do you even TRY to push that envelope? Someone was talking smack about kant reporting on his 3some a few days ago…”ya, sure thing, I TOTALLY believe you”. Does it look THAT hard? If you’re a fun cool sexual guy who leads things forward? Is it really THAT far outside of reality to do it?

    Remember, Tyler is like 5’8″ and looks like this: http://femgoddess.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/tyler-gollum.gif

    LOT to learn from the infield in these vids, and Tyler’s general speech in the first vid is all solid shit.

    It’s almost Friday. It’s warm out, there are happy hour events going on tonight even. Nothing is stopping anyone from stepping outside of their house to go approach some girls. 🙂

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 3:22 pm having a bad day

      hardest thing for me to change was my internal ‘shaming’ dialogue…my WHOLE identity was wrapped up in being the ‘nice guy’…the thought of actually sticking up for myself (and offending someone…) was sooo against my conditioning that i had to overcome that first…after that family/friends/etc were still hard, but that first step was a b*tch…

      somewhat related FR (to YaReally’s vids anyway…lol)

      couple weeks ago the wife told me “you know…it would be really great to be able to clone you…so i could share you with a bunch of other women…”

      at the time i didn’t think anything about it, she was just talking…lol…

      then last weekend, she’s in the garden…i’m working nearby…out of the blue she asks “is it still called an orgy if there’s 6 girls but only one guy?”…lol…i told her ‘that’s just my normal saturday night’…lol…’you’re an asshole…’ [laughingly… with tingles]

      I like where her head space is…lol…

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 5:08 pm kant

      @yareally
      Awesome videos. Most of guys will never experience this because they have major M / W complex (ironically it’s especially prevalent here and with roosh and his followers) and girls can sense it. Most of my friends have been girls and I’ll tell you even the sweet young virginal unicorn girls fantasize about getting gang banged by strangers and god knows what else. Men’s sexuality is tame compared to women’s.

      The girl I soft nexted texted me saying she wants to bang me again and I replied saying we should just be friends, sex is probably a bad idea. love flipping the script like this. I feel like a girl cause I honestly dont even care if we ever bang again, I just want to be friends because she’s crazy and really hot, goes out a lot excellent social proof

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 8:22 pm ho

      “One would have seen her as a Madonna, the other as a Whore.”

      Oh shut it will you. It’s annoying as fuck when non judgmentalist PUAs use the term.

      Some girls tend more to madonna and some more to whore. That’s a fact.

      What’s funny, somebody posted this video on /r9k/ (the incel board) and to m shock, the actually believed it. Usually, those are the biggest game denialists (crab basket) but hard evidence is hard to ignore.

      However, some, STILL went “Don’t fall for that crap” (LOL) “Sure that isn’t staged?” (double LOL) “They probably think he’s gay” (true, to be fair, lol) “they were all drunk” (So? Incels like you couldn’t fuck them drunk or sober) and finally “I bet he approached gazillion times and showed the ones that worked”.

      They also claimed that it’s hard for them to imagine Tyler as an alpha and find it hard to understand why girls like him. Oh well.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 8:23 pm ho

        “/r9k/ (the incel board)” On 4chan

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 11:07 am PIV

      “and then they all hop in a cab together to go hang out (and likely bang)”

      likely? They count on you filling in the blank exactly as you have. These are the guys who charge hundreds and even thousands of dollars for game seminars, right? These videos combined with “word” of mouth in the mano are their only forms of marketing, right?

      Kissing in a club does not equal piv(s) and honest FRs point to the fact that makeouts are often as far as it goes. Random drunk club makeouts mean nothing more than random drunk club makeouts.

      Let’s assume this infield stuff is totally on the level.

      Why don’t they ever post hd video of the threesome/orgy that supposedly follows? Seems like getting her to sign the release in the cab would be pretty easy if her mind is filled with stranger rape dog banging orgy stuff. Chicks sign documents without reading tham all the time and if she’s not totally bombed (legal consent) and in threesome mode her logic brain is shut off anyway. Fish meet barrel.

      In my experience chicks will let you take pics/video of anything and everything. They love to perform and make sure the angles are right so they look good. Then they giggle and say “don’t show anyone”. Interwebz is filled with true amateur vids of “sweet young virginal unicorn girls” covered in cum so it most definitely happens and happens often.

      Why not post the fabulous results? Seems like it would increase their cred (and income stream) significantly as no haters would be able to refute their claims and guys would know for a fact that even if they are gollums they can make it work (if they just hand over the cash).

      Even the biggest scams like weight loss programs (where photographers admit the before/after photos are often taken on the same day) post some kind of visual “proof”. In game it seems like our imaginations happily take care of that part.

      ” Does it look THAT hard?”

      Guys with notch counts over 1,000 freely admit that it is indeed THAT hard and often attribute their successes to chance/right place right time. Of course, these players aren’t selling anything.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 11:22 am CH

        hyperbolic marketing is not necessarily evidence of product failure. car salesmen upsell their product line all the time — “you’ll feel like a king driving this beauty!” — but even though you likely won’t feel like a king you will be driving a new car that has pretty much what you need and handles better than you thought.

        the point being, i don’t know if tyler’s girls are props or actual fuck toys, but in the end you gotta ask yourself, does his stuff work or not to improve the love lives of men who are struggling with women? the evidence so far is that game does indeed improve men’s romantic prospects, to a greater or lesser degree, and the reason it works has to do with deeply ingrained psychological differences between the sexes.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 11:56 am PIV

        “car salesmen upsell their product line all the time”

        Agreed. Most salesmen upsell their products using a variety of techniques. The difference here is that when you buy the car, you’re going home with a tangible good. It may not make you feel like a king (as promised) but it does indeed have some value, even if that value took a huge hit the minute you drove it off the lot.

        “i don’t know if tyler’s girls are props or actual fuck toys”

        That’s a problem for me. Girls will say and do almost anything for cash. Acting in a 20 minute club makeout vid is very tame comparatively. I’m interested in getting real HB piv for free and even having them buy me things along the way, so prop acting is of absolutely no help and may actually do some harm.

        Follow up video of the f close would remove all skepticism. It’s not a question of how a guy feels (i.e. the car king driving) while watching a vid/attending a seminar but the actual piv results of certain game proponents’ methods. In the world of men results do matter.

        “the evidence so far is that game does indeed improve men’s romantic prospects”

        Agreed. Game mindset is better than any product or service available for purchase.

        Difference: CH does not sell tickets. CH does not pimp itself via questionable infield video. CH provides actionable advice based on real world observations, FRs and studies FOR FREE.

        If CH has an agenda beyond making the lives of men better I have yet to see it. I can’t say so much for the others.

        CH is king.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 12:27 pm CH

        another point i’d like to make: marketing and advertising are filled with shysters because they *have* to be. that’s the nature of the consumer to which they sell. people won’t buy your product, no matter how effective it is, unless you sell it. and the way to move product is by capturing people’s curiosity.

        let’s say you have this new game technique that improves the average man’s lay ratio from 1 in 100 approaches to 1 in 50 approaches. nothing spectacular, but something that would undoubtedly benefit most men. now you have three choices: you can NOT sell it and hope word of mouth brings in potential buyers. you can sell it AS IS and hope that buyers are suitably impressed by a 1-in-50 lay ratio. or you can sell it as something MORE than what it is and reason that it’s the best way to get the maximum number of buyers to try your product.

        strategy number one is wishful thinking. unless you are an already established market force with a brand name and good reputation, word of mouth is a great way to watch people pass by your internet store window. when it works, it works great, but it hardly ever works. strategy number two is more proactive, but just as honest, as number one. the problem with truth in advertising is that it’s a piss poor way to get people excited about your product. there are too many distractions and competing products that monopolize people’s attention. if you don’t upsell a little (like an overconfident player), you won’t generate buzz. worse, you’ll be outcompeted by marketers who are better at seducing consumers to sign on the line that is dotted.

        strategy number three is practically a foregone conclusion taking into account the realities of human nature and the capitalist market. now you can argue that it’s dishonest, but does the buyer get shafted? no. the buyer will see an improvement in his dating life. the dishonesty is only evident in the falsely raised expectations that make the product feel like it failed the buyer when in fact it benefited him, only less than he had hoped. and who’s fault, ultimately, is that? the marketer had to raise expectations because he knows that consumers are unrealistic in their demands and won’t try a product that doesn’t meet their overblown expectations for success.

        the sexual market, because it is zero sum, is especially vulnerable to this sort of exaggerated marketing reaction to unrealistic consumer expectation. a decent PUA who wants to sell something he believes will help men will somehow walk that fine line between effective marketing and managing buyer expectation.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 1:43 pm PIV

        “now you have three choices”

        I would argue there is a fourth choice. Don’t sell it at all. Give it away and improve the lives of men everywhere. CH seems to have taken this route.

        We’re not talking about widgets here. CH seems to understand that the current societal situation is nothing less than a full assault on men and instead of trying to profit, tries to help. On the surface it may be about lays but there is something far bigger going on underneath.

        “seducing consumers to sign on the line that is dotted.”

        A man’s character is vastly different from a bunk investment in glengarry farms. This knowledge used to be passed from father, uncle, etc. to younger man. Society now actively discourages this (for reasons not yet fully understood). Where others (shysters) see this as an opportunity to make some bux, CH seems to value the information as every man’s birthright. Now, if these shysters grab attention and men find these truths as a consequence, I guess an argument could be made that they are in fact doing good. I think we can all agree they would be doing more good if they were all honest operators from the outset. Truth in advertising is more important here than in the case of some plastic doodad as we are dealing with the souls of men.

        “the buyer will see an improvement in his dating life.”

        I have yet to see a study proving this conclusion, but I sure hope so. I know they can read CH for free without wondering if the hamster mind presented here is a prop.

        “unrealistic in their demands and won’t try a product that doesn’t meet their overblown expectations for success.”

        Overblown like infields purporting to take you from meet to threesome in 20 minutes?

        While some seek to exploit the porn-fueled imaginations of lost men, others, like CH, try to bring them back to reality and give them real world tools to improve themselves and their lives. Increased lays are almost a side effect.

        “a decent PUA who wants to sell something he believes will help men”

        It appears CH is less like a pua pushing his wares and more like the uncle we needed but never had.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 1:55 pm CH

        I have yet to see a study proving this conclusion

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/science-proves-game-works/

        the CH archives are filled with studies, small and large, that have found validity to a number of long-held game concepts, like preselection, social proof, accelerated kino, and even negs. this is not even including all the field testimonials and observational anecdotes that must number in the millions by now.

        the trouble with finding that one blockbuster study which will prove beyond the ironclad doubts of the diehard skeptics that game works is that the nature of the beast precludes the sort of experimental apparatus that would be necessary to accurately measure success. will you have the experimenter follow the couple into bed to watch the penis slip into the vagina? how will the experimenter control for the chaos of social feedback that is both fluid and rapid? a neg in a laboratory setting is far different than a neg in a bar, and women will respond differently depending on the context within which they are gamed.

        my advice is the same: instead of spending valuable energy endlessly railing against shysters (which every consumer niche has), try out the material and see what works and what doesn’t. accept that shysters are part of the program, and as long as you keep a keen eye for separating the wheat from the chaff, you should enjoy rewards from the practice of game.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 2:04 pm CH

        btw, speaking of shysters, take tyler durden as a case study. while i’m no RSD expert or fanboy, i have read tyler’s stuff, mostly early stuff, and watched some of his videos. my impression is that he’s smart, motivated, knows game, understands to an impressive degree the nature of women and social dynamics, probably does get laid more than he would as tyler durden the accountant without game, and… is about as trustworthy as a pit bull recently off its meds.

        so yeah, the guy has the vibe of someone who would sell his mother for a pence if he could. and so what? as long as you get that, and don’t fall like a gullible chode for his worst marketing excesses, then you can gain a lot by listening to what he has to say.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 2:42 pm PIV

        “the CH archives are filled with studies, small and large, that have found validity to a number of long-held game concepts, like preselection, social proof, accelerated kino, and even negs.”

        Absolutely. CH study posts are heady, though I have yet to see a study that proves BUYERS of game material/coaching see an improvement in their dating lives. Again, I hope they do, because 1k a month is a large investment for a restaurant manager to learn emotional vulnerability game from a babysitter/kiddie lifecoach.

        “and don’t fall like a gullible chode for his worst marketing excesses, then you can gain a lot by listening to what he has to say.”

        Listening, internalizing, applying and analyzing. Not writing him a check. Glad to see our fearless uncle knows the difference.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 2:58 pm key

        I’ll say it. Hit the CH donate button. Genius, player, writer, savior.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 3:09 pm YaReally

        man, I wasn’t expecting this to be so long but you actually wrote multiple posts on it lol I’m going to drink tonight just to wash my brain off:

        @PIV
        lol one of these guys. Awesome.

        “likely? They count on you filling in the blank exactly as you have. These are the guys who charge hundreds and even thousands of dollars for game seminars, right?”

        Put it this way: if you put me in a cab with a girlfriend who’s sucking my face and good at flirting with girls, and another girl, on a night out of partying, and we’re all going to hang out together, I would have to actively purposely TRY to fuck up the 3some lol

        Guys like you cry that you need more proof because you don’t actually pick girls up and have sex with them and escalate and know what to look for. What you’re doing is saying “sure, you put that giant slab of meat in front of that starving dog, but I mean, if you didn’t see the video of that dog eating that meat how do you know it happened? HOW DO YOU KNOW?!???!?” Because we know what happens when a hungry dog is handed a slab of meat. It fucking eats it lol

        “Why don’t they ever post hd video of the threesome/orgy that supposedly follows?”

        lol ya that’s weird, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t just plaster random girls getting banged all over the Internet. I mean, fuck why would those girls even have a problem with that? Buncha’ dumb slutty sluts! You are a marketing genius.

        1) if you want porn, there’s plenty on google man lol

        2) they don’t have to show Tyler’s dick going in and out of a vagina because any guy who’s actually picked up girls before knows “hey, I’ve been in similar situations and I was able to have sex from those situations, so it’s safe to assume that he was able to have sex in this situation, because I’ve actually left my basement and talked to and had sex with girls before.”

        3) all a sex vid would do is give guys like you more ammo to go “SEE THEY MUST BE PROSTITUTES!!!”

        “Acting in a 20 minute club makeout vid is very tame comparatively.”

        Here’s where you can see the proof: go out tonight and makeout with girls. lol

        “Follow up video of the f close would remove all skepticism.”

        Nope. It would just make you go “wahhh wahh they must be porn actresses!!! he must pay them!” so you can stay in your retarded reality where people having sex is impossible lol

        “Agreed. Game mindset is better than any product or service available for purchase.”

        Ya, I bet Tyler there would probably agree, since RSD has hundreds of hours of free content and teaching available on YouTube and their website and he actively encourages people to pirate RSD’s old DVDs.

        But ya, totally a scam. I mean, you paid $50 to watch that video right? What? it was…FREE???? huh. weird.

        “CH is king.”

        BUT YOU HAVEN’T SEEN CH’S P GO INSIDE A V!!!!!!! CH!! Where’s our live action video of this?? We all wanna see your cock lol

        Anyone who thinks girls don’t react the way they do in Tyler’s vids doesn’t go out and actually approach and game girls. Straight-up. The guys who think those girls are being paid to react that way are guys who have no game, shitty game, or just don’t go out and mack on girls. Like, sorry, I know the armchair is a great place to sideline comment but you’re just showing your inexperience.

        “Don’t sell it at all. Give it away and improve the lives of men everywhere.”

        Good idea:

        http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rsd+playlist

        There’s 100+ videos of free content from them. You don’t have to pay for shit.

        Every time you claim you have to pay for RSD stuff, you are just showing that you haven’t looked at it and seen all the free shit they plaster everywhere lol Fucking moron. That’s not even just RSD, there is SO much free content out there you would have to actively enjoy being ignorant to not know that.

        @CH
        “my advice is the same: instead of spending valuable energy endlessly railing against shysters (which every consumer niche has), try out the material and see what works and what doesn’t.”

        Fucking dead on. Guys like this are hilarious. Go out and try some shit on a pretty girl. It’ll blow your mind, they aren’t at all like they are in your JRPG dating sims. lol

        “so yeah, the guy has the vibe of someone who would sell his mother for a pence if he could. and so what? as long as you get that, and don’t fall like a gullible chode for his worst marketing excesses, then you can gain a lot by listening to what he has to say.”

        Yup. Dude is still a bit fucked up from his past and how hardcase a social retard he started out as…but who cares? The content he’s spouting is fucking solid and aligns with what you see if you go out and actually test it out for a long period of time.

        A retarded homeless man shouting 2 + 2 = 4 on the street isn’t someone you’d trust with your life, but that doesn’t change that his formula is correct and you can learn from it.

        “Listening, internalizing, applying and analyzing. Not writing him a check.”

        This is that thing where you show you’re an idiot again. See the RSD playlist of free content I linked above. lol

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  24. on May 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm Prof. Woland

    If you look at the women who are using sperm banks, they are probably older white higher IQ but average looks. The fat slugs will always find some willing victim to do the deed and probably spring for dinner and drinks too boot.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 12:49 pm Turkey Baster

      Take it from me – it’s mostly entitled lesbians and descicated careerists – with neither want nor time for da lotsa cokcas. So you beta boys keep stoking the bank – cause I need the work – Thanksgiving comes only once a year – and y’all know what that’s like!

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  25. on May 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm Ronin

    I wonder why, like the actual freaking -Root- of why the Libs love them some crims so much.

    It seems so counter-Evolutionary.

    @CH: Do you have a theory as to why?

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  26. on May 15, 2014 at 12:31 pm Massimo

    Human demographics are evolving to be less responsible, intelligent, and moral. Evolution is moving in a direction that we don’t want and failing our wishes, but the evolution process is happening and not failing to happen.

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  27. on May 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm Wrecked 'Em

    Wade makes the point in A Troublesome Inheritance that something happened in England (to a greater degree, and most of Western Europe, to a lesser degree) over the period between the Black Death and the Industrial Revolution. He posits that the “something” was a trickle-down effect of genes for good behavior diffusing across society as the well-to-do (and well-behaved) prospered and therefore had more surviving kids than did the scrum. Over time, the result was a society that worked hard, saved their money, were less violent and more patient, and generally were better adapted for urban living. The underlying point being that these cultural values have a heritable, genetic basis. The values and the genes mutually support each other.

    Unfortunately, the best behaved and most successful people today are having fewer kids, so the reverse dynamic is in motion.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm ho

      Wasn’t Germany even more impressive than Britain, given the lack of colonies?

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 7:01 am thwack

        Germany destroyed its best racial stock in the fratricidal 30 years war.

        What was once a heavily Nordic country was reduced to Alpine/peasant stock. For more info read Racial Realities in Europe by Lothrop Stoddard.

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  28. on May 15, 2014 at 1:14 pm Wade

    “…in this case, misplaced leftoid equalist generosity towards lesser people who would impulsively kill them without losing a wink of sleep ”

    Well we know that most Jewish folks are all for open borders, at least here in the USA, in Israel they are HARD CORE anti-non-Jewish immigration, so what these folks don’t UNDERSTAND is that there is a COST to this INVASION of USA by non-Whites, and there was a little Jewish gal in Manhattan NYC, about 4 years ago maybe she was an actress that has small roles in couple of films, so she was doing something in her apartment and this intolerable noise was coming from an apartment below her’s. So she goes down to talk to the repair guy who was a 5 foot El Salvadoran ILLEGAL, who would get AMNESTY if they get their way, and she talked to him like she would talk to a White guy, well the brown midget BEAT HER TO DEATH then hung her from the shower curtain rod, she was a little thing, to make it look like she hung herself, well that didn’t fool the NYPD detectives. I don’t know how the case ended but she lost her life thanks to the Open Borders folks, of which her own group is a major supporter.
    So just a sad thing but I bet she voted for it.
    Whites like you CH and your readers they KNOW reality from fantasy, and WE will survive the others WON’T.
    Stay strong bro;
    LL/LR
    Wade

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 5:32 pm corvinus

      The YKW are hypocrites for the simple reason that the USA is mostly not YKW and Izzyland mostly is. That should be obvious to anyone.

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    • on May 17, 2014 at 2:14 am Eastside School

      “so what these folks don’t UNDERSTAND is that there is a COST to this INVASION of USA by non-Whites” – The Jews know exactly what they’re doing.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 7:07 am thwack

        If I was Jooish would I be hung from a shower head?

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  29. on May 15, 2014 at 1:18 pm anon

    Cracker, you think too much.

    On a more serious note…have you ever tried to donate sperm, CH?
    I actually tried to get my (then fiance now husband of many moons) to donate back when we were in college. The guy is a genius, and very attractive to women. They told me they had enough black eyed black haired men donating, even though his IQ qualified, and they “appreciated that”.

    You might consider sperm banks are far more evolutionarily “positive” in a certain sense, than a one-night stand with a random troll female during inebriation (or worse). The process is comparatively structured, and the women (whether obese or comely) always want a seriously strong swimmer (pun intended) for studing service. It might just be something of a great equalizer for the less prolific races, all things considering. Just throwing that out there.

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  30. on May 15, 2014 at 1:26 pm Arbiter

    PS On a related “Is evolution failing?” note, the buzzy AmRen article titled “Confessions of a Public Defender” is a harrowing read, and provokes some illicit thought about where we are heading demographically.

    That is indeed a depressing read. It reminds me of another story I read, by a teacher whose students were almost all Black. He was fired after writing about his experiences. Note, action was taken against HIM, not against those who turn the school into a jungle. Shoot the messenger.

    From the link in the OP:

    My client was the one who beat the girl. When he asked me, “What are our chances at trial?” I said, “Not so good.” He immediately got angry, raised his voice, and accused me of working with the prosecution. I asked him how he thought a jury would react to the video. “They don’t care,” he said. I told him the jury would probably feel deeply sympathetic towards these two women and would be angry at him because of how he treated them. I asked him whether he felt bad for the women he had beaten and terrorized. He told me what I suspected—what too many blacks say about the suffering of others: “What do I care? She ain’t me. She ain’t kin. Don’t even know her.”

    Only when you have seen this cold, vicious attitude do you understand. Most leftists never see it, they close their eyes. They are too stupid to read between the lines in news stories that hide the names and faces, and too lazy to look up the truth behind the stories online. They have no idea. As the economy inevitably will go down in the future – you can’t keep increasing national debt forever to pay for the house of cards – a lot of people are in for a rude awakening.

    Many black defendants don’t even have mothers who care about them. Many are raised by grandmothers after the state removes the children from an incompetent teenaged mother. Many of these mothers and grandmothers are mentally unstable, and are completely disconnected from the realities they face in court and in life. A 47-year-old grandmother will deny that her grandson has gang ties even though his forehead is tattooed with a gang sign or slogan. When I point this out in as kind and understanding way as I can, she screams at me. When black women start screaming, they invoke the name of Jesus and shout swear words in the same breath.

    Black women have great faith in God, but they have a twisted understanding of His role. They do not pray for strength or courage. They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs. One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery.

    The mothers and grandmothers pray in the hallways–not for justice, but for acquittal.

    This is something I have heard from several people about how the Catholic organization competes with Islam in Africa – which is secretly the Caths’ focus region today. They promise people that they will get more money and success if they pray to Jesus. It is all about getting advantages from the magic rituals. Protestant, domestic churches in Africa do the same thing: a famous preacher shows his expensive car and tells the audience that Jesus will give them the same car.

    People get drunk from stories about wealth. You get Jesus he give you de kwaai car, you be rich like dem Wit devils, my bru. Dey rich because dey pray to Jesus. When all de Black man do dat, de Black boss will have de powar, his own goovenment, his own jet planes, dem Whites dey be out of Africa!

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 5:24 pm corvinus

      This is something I have heard from several people about how the Catholic organization competes with Islam in Africa – which is secretly the Caths’ focus region today.

      The mainstream Protestantized Novus Ordo religion that most people know as “Catholic” is indeed steadily idiocratizing. Traditionalists and sedevacantists tend to be drawn from the high-IQ set. The future of the Catholic Church, or what passes for the Catholic Church, is The Marching Morons.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 9:03 pm cynthia

      What you’re describing in Africa technically isn’t Catholicism, it’s voodoo. It’s amazing how Christian mythology and imagery becomes interwoven with indigenous beliefs/rituals. That being said, belief in God as some kind of cosmic vending machine is the sign of an immature mind.

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      • on May 15, 2014 at 10:16 pm corvinus

        Actually, the Novus Ordo pseudo-Popes endorse voodoo completely, as at the famous Assisi syncretic conferences.

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 3:31 pm cynthia

        Pretty sure we don’t sacrifice animals and invoke the top-hatted gods of death to smite our enemies in Mass… what exactly are you referring to?

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      • on May 16, 2014 at 8:09 pm leeminh0

        Speaking of religions, did you know that in India the Hindu Narendra Mod won 🙂 let’s cheer since he will make India a superpower

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  31. on May 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm ar10308

    Are that many fatties really using sperm banks? As Turkey Baster pointed it out above, most sperm banks seem directed towards Lesbos and 42yo career women who want a person in their Christmas card mailer besides their cats.

    It would seem that your average fatty would be able to play the role of Truck Stop Sally until she fell pregnant to some lonely trucker/diesel mechanic.

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 2:16 pm yeahokcool

      true, that seems reasonable, but i don’t think their minds work that way. the reality is that women are looking for good seed. they don’t want to slum or settle when it comes to that biological imperative. sperm banks, however, provide a sort of blissful ignorance or “plausible deniability.” the whole premise behind those sperm banks is that you’re getting unknown, but supposedly healthy, strong, pre-approved sperm. that way, those losers in the genetic lottery can wrap themselves in a blanket of imagined greatness for their child.

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  32. on May 15, 2014 at 1:35 pm Buh

    It depends what scale of evolution we prefer to examine. The worry of le chateau concerns the ineradicable possibility of perpetually masculinized women and diminished men. Evolution functions across two levels, however: the phylogenic transmission and selection of genetic traits, and the ontogenic transmission and selection of behaviors. SWPL’s have clearly tilted the balance of ontogenic selection through cultural sanctions and it becomes reasonable to speculate that this selection can drift into genetic permanacy. Yet genes are flexible things. See epigenetics, through which traits are unlocked or suppressed by environmental stressors, and it remains an open possibility whether the males of the species mount an effective return to power or we metastatize into a new race of hyena-like battleaxe women and small timid men living only to impregnate and be discarded. Indeed, the latter strategy has already emerged as a norm across the west.

    I find personally that the best resistance against such an outcome is genetic. Enough traditional women taken for a mate will simply nullify the project of the r-selected civilization eaters. I endorse an unorthodox approach to the gender war: all males immediately treat sperm as a precious commodity. This is also, incidentally, a powerful correlate with ascendant patriarchal civilizations. We suffer not from a defect in women, but men.

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  33. on May 15, 2014 at 1:51 pm Ricky Vaughn

    One need not look much further than matriarchal African or African-American culture. The women do not monopolize a man – they share the most athletic and/or good looking men – and produce offspring. The cycle continues over the generations. Most good-looking black men have no scruples with whom they fornicate. I would wager that intelligence and good looks do not correlate as much in the black community as they do with Gentile whites where the intelligent men seek out beautiful women.

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  34. on May 15, 2014 at 1:59 pm When Evolution Fails | Reaction Times

    […] By CH […]

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  35. on May 15, 2014 at 2:56 pm Dersu Uzala

    Evolution does not fail. It can not. What fails is one of its many experiments, in this case a subset of the human race.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 7:08 am thwack

      white people?

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  36. on May 15, 2014 at 2:56 pm Anonymous

    Yawn. It’s the amateur eugenics guy at CH again. We get it: some racez r better than otherz. Write something fresh.

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 7:45 pm ho

      PZ Myers is that you?

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  37. on May 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm Director

    Wrecked em!

    As late as the Elizabethan period you were executed for petty theft. Women were legal property and were without a legal foot to stand on. I think that many modern Europeans and interloping vibrants from Africa do not realize how draconian ordinary life was.

    Vagrants were hanged as a matter of course. Helping the poor was an innovation. Now it’s just gone retarded with a government controlled by a hostile elite and zulu impis ready to enforce the expropriation of wealth.

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  38. on May 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm Director

    take a look at the structure of the society that produced the Renaissance.

    This is how our ancestors lived.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 7:10 am thwack

      Quest For Fire is more accurate.

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  39. on May 15, 2014 at 3:15 pm Director

    death for petty theft, death for failure to plead at trial, women with no legal rights, enforced religion, quack doctors and a chicken costs the equivalent of $150 in 2014. You get murdered if you travel as a matter of course.

    That’s a genetic bottleneck parfaite.

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  40. on May 15, 2014 at 5:08 pm Jordan Belfort

    This pdf is a must read for anyone interested in altruism, kin recognition, cultural impact on mate selection, and the theory on why people intermarry.

    http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Genetic%20Similarity%201989.pdf

    I would have posted some excerpts from this study that are very telling to the way we may be headed but it wouldn’t let me copy and paste.

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  41. on May 15, 2014 at 7:17 pm epoche*

    Heartiste should have a post about Herbert Spencer (the coiner of the phrase survival of the fittest) and his discussion of the problems concerning the sociology of helplessness. From The Man Versus The State http://www.econlib.org/library/LFBooks/Spencer/spnMvS3.html
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    The continuance of every higher species of creature depends on conformity, now to one, now to the other, of two radically-opposed principles. The early lives of its members, and the adult lives of its members, have to be dealt with in contrary ways. We will contemplate them in their natural order.
    3.33

    One of the most familiar facts is that animals of superior types, comparatively slow in reaching maturity, are enabled when they have reached it, to give more aid to their offspring than animals of inferior types. The adults foster their young during periods more or less prolonged, while yet the young are unable to provide for themselves; and it is obvious that maintenance of the species can be secured only by this parental care. It requires no proving that the blind unfledged hedge-bird, or the young puppy even after it has acquired sight, would forthwith die if it had to keep itself warm and obtain its own food. The gratuitous aid must be great in proportion as the young one is of little worth, either to itself or to others; and it may diminish as fast as, by increasing development, the young one acquires worth, at first for self-sustentation, and by-and-by for sustentation of others. That is to say, during immaturity, benefits received must vary inversely as the power or ability of the receiver. Clearly if during this first part of life benefits were proportioned to merits, or rewards to deserts, the species would disappear in a generation.
    3.34

    From this régime of the family-group, let us turn to the regime of that larger group formed by adult members of the species. Ask what happens when the new individual, acquiring complete use of its powers and ceasing to have parental aid, is left to itself. Now there comes into play a principle just the reverse to that above described. Throughout the rest of its life, each adult gets benefit in proportion to merit—reward in proportion to desert: merit and desert in each case being understood as ability to fulfil all the requirements of life—to get food, to find shelter, to escape enemies. Placed in competition with members of its own species and in antagonism with members of other species, it dwindles and gets killed off, or thrives and propagates, according as it is ill-endowed or well-endowed. Manifestly an opposite régime, could it be maintained, would, in course of time, be fatal. If the benefits received by each individual were proportionate to its inferiority—if, as a consequence, multiplication of the inferior was furthered, and multiplication of the superior hindered, progressive degradation would result; and eventually the degenerate species would fail to hold its ground in presence of antagonistic species and competing species.
    3.35

    The broad fact then, here to be noted, is that Nature’s modes of treatment inside the family-group and outside the family-group are diametrically opposed to one another; and that the intrusion of either mode into the sphere of the other, would be destructive either immediately or remotely.
    3.36

    Does any one think that the like does not hold of the human species? He cannot deny that within the human family, as within any inferior family, it would be fatal to proportion benefits to merits. Can he assert that outside the family, among adults, there should not be, as throughout the animal world, a proportioning of benefits to merits? Will he contend that no mischief will result if the lowly endowed are enabled to thrive and multiply as much as, or more than, the highly endowed? A society of men, standing towards other societies in relations of either antagonism or competition, may be considered as a species, or, more literally, as a variety of a species; and it must be true of it as of other species or varieties, that it will be unable to hold its own in the struggle with other societies, if it disadvantages its superior units that it may advantage its inferior units. Surely none can fail to see that were the principle of family life to be adopted and fully carried out in social life—were reward always great in proportion as desert was small, fatal results to the society would quickly follow; and if so, then even a partial intrusion of the family régime into the régime of the State, will be slowly followed by fatal results. Society in its corporate capacity, cannot without immediate or remoter disaster interfere with the play of these opposed principles under which every species has reached such fitness for its mode of life as it possesses, and under which it maintains that fitness.
    3.37

    I say advisedly—society in its corporate capacity; not intending to exclude or condemn aid given to the inferior by the superior in their individual capacities. Though when given so indiscriminately as to enable the inferior to multiply, such aid entails mischief; yet in the absence of aid given by society, individual aid, more generally demanded than now, and associated with a greater sense of responsibility, would, on the average, be given with the effect of fostering the unfortunate worthy rather than the innately unworthy: there being always, too, the concomitant social benefit arising from culture of the sympathies. But all this may be admitted while asserting that the radical distinction between family-ethics and State-ethics must be maintained; and that while generosity must be the essential principle of the one, justice must be the essential principle of the other—a rigorous maintenance of those normal relations among citizens under which each gets in return for his labour, skilled or unskilled, bodily or mental, as much as is proved to be its value by the demand for it: such return, therefore, as will enable him to thrive and rear offspring in proportion to the superiorities which make him valuable to himself and others.

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  42. on May 15, 2014 at 8:24 pm Rum

    I am a congenital optimist. So I say: The vast over-growth of humanity in general these past few generations means that when the great Die-Off looming into view happens there will be a very large gene pool from which to select The Future.

    I do not like the Chinese very much. They are too good at controlling their minds and their enthusiasm for feeding soy-beans to men and boys is evidence of deep criminality.But sometimes they make sense.

    They say, “In China, there are about a million people who have one in a million talent.”

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  43. on May 15, 2014 at 9:12 pm epoche*

    One of the most familiar facts is that animals of superior types, comparatively slow in reaching maturity, are enabled when they have reached it, to give more aid to their offspring than animals of inferior types. The adults foster their young during periods more or less prolonged, while yet the young are unable to provide for themselves; and it is obvious that maintenance of the species can be secured only by this parental care.
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    In other words the phenomenon of Idiocracy, people who reach their peak at 15 have children while thinking people undergo “assortative mating”

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  44. on May 15, 2014 at 9:44 pm epoche*

    From this régime of the family-group, let us turn to the regime of that larger group formed by adult members of the species. Ask what happens when the new individual, acquiring complete use of its powers and ceasing to have parental aid, is left to itself. Now there comes into play a principle just the reverse to that above described. Throughout the rest of its life, each adult gets benefit in proportion to merit—reward in proportion to desert: merit and desert in each case being understood as ability to fulfil all the requirements of life—to get food, to find shelter, to escape enemies. Placed in competition with members of its own species and in antagonism with members of other species, it dwindles and gets killed off, or thrives and propagates, according as it is ill-endowed or well-endowed. Manifestly an opposite régime, could it be maintained, would, in course of time, be fatal. If the benefits received by each individual were proportionate to its inferiority—if, as a consequence, multiplication of the inferior was furthered, and multiplication of the superior hindered, progressive degradation would result; and eventually the degenerate species would fail to hold its ground in presence of antagonistic species and competing species.
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    Why europe has to import foreign people to breed.

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 8:16 am Canadian Friend

      ” … If the benefits received by each individual were proportionate to its inferiority—if, as a consequence, multiplication of the inferior was furthered, and multiplication of the superior hindered, progressive degradation would result… ”

      That is exactly what the the white liberals are doing; having very few kids but providing immense benefits to inferior types of humans.

      is it any wonder we are witnessing a progressive degradation of Western Civilization?

      The left calls itself progressive, but the only thing progressive about them is the progressive degradation of everything around us that they are causing.

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  45. on May 15, 2014 at 10:52 pm Will

    @amy pushing this girl away just consists of me not setting up hang outs anymore really.

    So then it’s me chasing technically b/c if I cut it off then we’d probably not meet up as much anymore.

    But then why would she stay fucking for so long if she wasn’t the least bit interested.

    So then shouldn’t she recognize my attempts to hang out as a sign that I’m into her…..I guess we’ve basically fucked very single time we hang out.

    If I were to hang out and not fuck not really sure what we’d do….b/c I wanna fuck. But maybe I just have to show that it’s not all about the arc somehow?

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    • on May 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm Will

      Wow typos.

      *not all about the *sex* sometimes

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  46. on May 16, 2014 at 1:34 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

    This is the first post from CH that I consider silly. Evolutionary speaking, we are programmed to have sex with women who have lice and most likely don’t have all their teeth. This type of woman was sexed up by all men, except the upper class. I highly doubt ugly men don’t like beautiful women, but they are simply ok with settling because they don’t have much to choose out of. Also, it’s not like evolution has to lead to something good. Fertility and IQ are inversely correlated, for example. I don’t think I have to say that free sexual choice is a stupid way of selecting mates either.

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  47. on May 16, 2014 at 1:58 am Subway Masturbator

    “Just substitute “ugly female client sperm bank” with “fat women”, and the picture crystallizes.”

    uhhh… do I HAVE to do that? It’s kind of a picture left blurry.. very blurry.

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  48. on May 16, 2014 at 8:54 am Sam Spade

    “Can evolution fail?” I always believed that if it’s happening, it’s part of evolution, whether we like it or not. In other words the sperm bank is a product of the evolved mind of man, and any offspring that result is the result of this evolution.

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 9:42 am Sam Spade

      But hey – I could be wrong.

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  49. on May 16, 2014 at 11:20 am lotez71

    Here is a prime example of the evolution failing (And I thing a great subject of a new post on education/reverse racism in America). Just in case you actually listening to what they are talking about, keep in mind that the topic is: “Restricting presidential war power authority”.

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    • on May 16, 2014 at 11:35 pm whorefinder

      Allowing kneegroes the right to pretend to be human is one of the worst mistakes in human civilization’s history.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 7:14 am thwack

        Why don’t you create a virus that only attacks black people?

        Oh wait a minute, you are that virus.

        *Sunlight is a great disinfectant.*

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 11:23 am whorefinder

        lol. oh silly sambo…

        kneegroes kill other kneegroes.

        we just wish we could participate in the carnage.

        Go back to the paradise of West Africa to save yourself! Because there, black people flourish!

        Cultural rape!

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  50. on May 17, 2014 at 12:20 am Atlanta Man

    Perhaps white people lack morals as a whole and becoming a slaver and usurper of native rights is inherently a Caucasian genetic flaw that causes them to look down on their fellow man and behave inhumanly as primates do. Perhaps it is an unfortunate genetic mutation that leaves white people to leave their genetic homeland ( Eastern Europe ) to rape and pillage countries they are not genetically predisposed to , and as a consequence leading the world in skin cancer, deleterious dermal mutations and spreading infection and disease in their wake….or mabey they just learned about boats. Funny thing is Heartiste is playing you racist white people for clicks and you silly people eat it up, he is the white Clayton Bixbey and you are fools dancing to his fiddle. Stay played foolish believers …..

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  51. on May 17, 2014 at 1:16 am outsider

    All true, but you have to be white to singlehandedly do real damage on a global scale. John McCain will join the corpse of Ted Kennedy on the list of infamous destroyers who were lauded by one and all in their own time.

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  52. on May 17, 2014 at 2:45 pm Director

    “Atlanta Man
    Perhaps white people lack morals as a whole and becoming [sic] a slaver and usurper of native rights is inherently a Caucasian genetic flaw that causes them to look down on their fellow man and behave inhumanly [sic] as primates do.”

    The Atlantic slave trade was decisively ended by Britain. Beside that fact, the slave traders were simply buying slaves from independent local warlords in exchange for other commodities. When Europeans conquered the backward territories of Africa slaving itself ended on African soil for the first time. As soon as Africa went back to its natural degenerate state Boko Haram and other monsters like Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Julius Malema and Jean Zombi show up. Even the naughty Apartheid era SA steadily improved and uplifted the broad mass of the black population. Most ambitious blacks cannot wait to leave their own homelands and live among whites in Europe. They will pile into boats and risk drowning in the hundreds just to suck at the teat of the european welfare state.

    “Perhaps it is an unfortunate genetic mutation that leaves white people to leave their genetic homeland ( Eastern Europe ) [sic] to rape and pillage countries they are not genetically predisposed to , [sic] and as a consequence leading [sic]the world in skin cancer, deleterious dermal mutations [pure N-babble] and spreading [sic] infection and disease in their wake…. [sic] or mabey [sic] they just learned about boats.”

    Learn about boats? FFS! Rather than design SHIPS and Chronometers? Reliable nautical maps?

    “Funny thing is Heartiste is playing you racist white people for clicks and you silly people eat it up, he is the white Clayton Bixbey and you are fools dancing to his fiddle. Stay played foolish believers …..[sic, honestly who uses 5 periods?]

    learn English before you try to lecture in English.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 7:16 am thwack

      Greg Eliot has entered the building

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  53. on May 17, 2014 at 3:06 pm Director

    ho
    Wasn’t Germany even more impressive than Britain, given the lack of colonies?

    I’m not sure what your point is. I think that Germany is a nebulous concept. The Royals in the UK have been German since 1715. Before that various Dutch bloodlines. The South East population is genetically identical to Holland and Northern Germany.

    The ‘Germans’ also colonized Northern Gaul and called it Frank/land/reich. The Danes came in and settled Neustria recasting it as Normandy. Visigoths in Spain Lombards in Italy. The recent Germans-proper Deutschlanders colonized Romania, Bohemia, Rusyn Carpathia, Ukraine, the Baltic, Russia. It all turned to crap in ww2 but they were colonizing Eastern Europe for millennia. Elements of their aristocracy penetrated the western part of Europe repeatedly. It’s hard to tell exactly where being German or Dutch end or where it begins and ends with Germany in relation to England and France for that matter. Prince Albert for example was the actual force behind Victorian British reform and power. Germany is a bit like the Midwest in the US. It’s got a strong identity but it is cosmopolitan and flexible enough to mutate and assimilate with other Europeans. It just gets in trouble when it tries to enforce its identity on other Europeans.

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  54. on May 18, 2014 at 6:52 am disenchantedscholar

    Reblogged this on Philosophies of a Disenchanted Scholar.

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  55. on May 18, 2014 at 1:14 pm al

    White People ???

    1. Where do they come from ??

    Modern science shows they are NOT native to Europe, the first inhabitants being Negroes..

    2. They are not Neanderthals who mixed with the Negro homo sapiens because there is no evidence that Neanderthals were white: all hominids – coming from Africa – are black: habilis, erectus, neanderthal, sapiens, etc. and the evidence of admixture is low (1-4%)

    3.What happened to the original Negroes of Europe ??

    4. Why are White People white ?? how can a creature with genetic defects that make it allergic to the sun even exist ???

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 11:45 am Gro Haila

      Trolololooo lololooo lololo!
      Trololololo lolololololooool!

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 12:02 pm James K

      Don’t you know? We are shape-shifting lizard people who came here from the stars. Watch that PBS documentary by the philosopher David Icke.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 12:30 pm CH

      1. Where do they come from ??

      god’s bosom. (guess who comes from god’s anus)

      2. They are not Neanderthals who mixed with the Negro homo sapiens because there is no evidence that Neanderthals were white: all hominids – coming from Africa – are black: habilis, erectus, neanderthal, sapiens, etc. and the evidence of admixture is low (1-4%)

      science!

      3.What happened to the original Negroes of Europe ??

      winter.

      4. Why are White People white ??

      so you can see them in the dark.

      how can a creature with genetic defects that make it allergic to the sun even exist ???

      to be unevolved is to be in an endless state of child-like wonder.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 12:40 pm corvinus

      how can a creature with genetic defects that make it allergic to the sun even exist ???

      In other news, the children of Somalis and Pakistanis in Scandinavia suffer from high rates of rickets.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm corvinus

        http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitamin-d-news/new-research-somali-immigrants-in-sweden-suffering-from-severe-vitamin-d-deficiency-during-pregnancy/

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm corvinus

        …and autism as well, apparently. Interesting.

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  56. on May 19, 2014 at 1:03 pm James K

    The sperm bank phenomenon is minor. Women have always been able to have sex whenever they want. If a woman skips the sex, and goes to the sperm bank instead, her “mate” is unlikely to be a bad-ass, game-aware cad. This will not affect human evolution. Until about 1900, wealthy people had more surviving children than poor people; but 10,000 years of selection in favor of good providers was not enough to rewire the female hindbrain. The use of sperm banks will have an even smaller effect.

    The combination of a falling birthrate, and immigration from the Third World, is a different matter. This is a snapshot of the social collapse discussed by Sir John Glubb in “The Fate of Empires”. The changes from year to year are imperceptible, but on a fifty-year timescale they are huge. Majority replacement will occur before the end of this century. In Europe, we will succumb to the Religion of Peace. What the Ottomans and Moors could not accomplish with a thousand years of war, feminism and open borders will achieve in less than a century.

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  57. on May 24, 2014 at 2:52 am When Evolution Fails | Truth and contradictions...

    […] Can evolution fail? I offer the following thought experiment as evidence that there are circumstances in which evolution proceeds along a path that violates its own precepts.  […]

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  58. on May 24, 2014 at 4:15 pm Anon

    sperm banks aren’t used enough to drag the distribution along as yet, but the results of monogamy/the patriarchy(tm) restraining male selection of females(Europe), and runaway matriarchal hypergamy(Africa) are self evident.

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  59. on May 31, 2014 at 10:08 am Reformed Trombonist

    Just picking at a philosophical nit…

    CH: “Morality and empathy are evolved traits, and like many human traits they will be found in varying degrees and complexities of expression among the world’s races.”

    Actually, there are two views…

    1. The objective or absolute view: the laws of ethics exist apart from man, are higher than man, are referenced in order to judge the thoughts and deeds of man in an authoritative manner, and are not dependent on man for their existence. This would describe, in other words, the ethical framework of Judaism and Christianity, and arguably some forms of Buddhism. We cannot understand ethics perfectly as mere human beings, or always choose to follow them, but the problem becomes not whether they really exist, but how to discern what they’re telling us and how to obey them, but not whether we should, which is a given.

    2. The subjective or relative view: the laws of ethics are, as you stated, evolved animal behaviors somehow helpful to a species’ survival and blessed by the feedback loop known as natural selection. Belief in the authority of such ethics is at some level instinctive. Any number of reasons could explain our imperfect understanding or obedience to the rules, in this scenario, including: a) the clash of the individual’s incentives vs. the incentives of the species itself; b) the changing nature of the world and, therefore, which are the best strategies for survival. This describes, I think, the world view of materialism, i.e., naturalism, Darwinism, secular humanism.

    Only one of these views can accurately describe the ethical world in which we live; they can’t both be right. However, if door number 2 reflects our reality, then ethical concerns lack authority — and therefore sociopaths more truly understand the world we live in than those who are shackled by the fears, instincts, habits, and collective opinions of those who surround them. The most rational choice for any human would be to know the rules, understand that not following them can bring about punishment or ostracism, and be careful to break them only on a calculated risk vs. reward basis. In fact, it is in the rational sociopath’s best interests to pretend to champion ethics as if they are authoritative and objective, the better to hide his sociopathic nature from his fellow humans. Lots of politicians, and (sadly) even religious figures seem to have adopted this approach, for the simple reason that it works.

    The ethical system would be irreparably damaged if everyone were to break evolution’s code and remove ethics’ cloak of authority.

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