Continuing with our series, I relate an episode. In an ornery mood made worse by my need to take public transit and the usual company that entails, two girls — one cute, the other chubby — giggled while repeatedly glancing in my direction.
I was stretched lengthwise, tiredly in my seat, appraising the two gossips through bored half-lids. The chubby one suddenly leaned forward and pointed at my feet.
“Nice clown socks.”
On any other day I would have gamely smiled at this distaff insouciance, and prepared an amiable springboard for a few minutes of distracting banter about the sexual allure of clowns. But that day I was a foul-tempered beast with a thousand yard serial killer stare.
“Thanks. Nice clown face.”
The chubster fell backwards in her seat, wide-eyed and slack-jawed. Her cute friend slowly grinned and glistened in the eyes, a telltale sign she glistened elsewhere. I slipped the shiv in further.
“I mean, if we’re gonna share opinions about total strangers.”
It was a thin crowd, so the sound barrier of our repartee was largely confined to our immediate meatspace; nevertheless, an older woman and a younger man overheard, and both chuckled.
I wasn’t sure, but I could have sworn the cute friend inched away from her chubby compatriot, just a little, but just enough to reveal the repulsion of chubby’s defeat and the pull of my jerkboyishness.
“I mean, if we’re gonna share opinions about total strangers.” – Unnecessary. Your come back was alpha as fuck though.
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Moments of non-Alpha.
The poor old man in New Hampshire backed down and resigned from the Police Commission.
I was hoping that he would challenge Momma’s Boy Romney to a dual, and Momma’s Boy would accept the challenge, and then the old man would cut Romney’s filthy fucking Satan-worshipping heart right out of his chest.
And eat it.
On national mother-fucking jew-vision.
While all the jew producers had collective heart attacks and said to themselves, “OMG, Myril, not next year, but THIS year in Jerusalem.”
Sigh.
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dual = duel
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Menses.
That’s the word I was trying to think of.
Menses Romney.
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Hadn’t heard about that. [sad face] I’d like to see a man force the mental filth to at least go through the motions of impeachment or shunning justified by racial animus. Nothing reveals true evil better than forcing it to act as it accuses others.
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I guess the old man just didn’t want to deal with all of the Goldman Sachs shekels which Menses Romney would have thrown at him.
Speaking of which:
(EXCLUSIVE) Eric Cantor’s Top Aide: I’ll ‘Bankrupt’ Virginia GOP, Install Allies, Rebuild It With Cantor’s Donor Cash
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3157949/posts
“…Ray Allen, has “angrily” stated to multiple individuals that he intends to bankrupt the Republican Party of Virginia (RPV), to install his own people throughout all levels of RPV’s State Central Committee, and to rebuild the RPV with money from Eric Cantor’s donors…”
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The Tribe is now so drunk with fiat money that they sense that there is literally no stopping them.
They’ve been inventing a trillion dollars a year for the last six years, and just handing it to themselves.
And they’ve got the war chest now to mount the final assault to destroy Western Civilization once and for all.
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Man lets his girlfriend go out topless while hundreds of men see her titties. Meanwhile he dresses like a girl.
Pussification of western men: Complete!
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Do you actually get out now and then? You know, walk the street, take in the sunlight, occasionally talk to girls?
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“Funny, they go with your clown face.”
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Shit. Wrong video above.
Here it is.
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Still not the right one. It’s video 21 in the playlist.
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@marco
nsfw. She’s walking around topless and calls him a pervert for looking at them. Insane.
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And then you donned sunglasses and darted offscreen to the tune of “Won’t Get Fooled Again”, right?
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don’t forget the fedora tip to an imaginary audience of admirers. nah, i stopped talking to them and popped in my headphones. no further interaction beyond some silent awkwardness occurred. i do think though that had i brightened up and flirted with the cute chick i could’ve made something happen. she was curious.
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The hilarity is that women are so awkward when they try to flirt with men that even beta orbiters look like adept navigators of the social world.
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“The hilarity is that women are so awkward when they try to flirt with men that even beta orbiters look like adept navigators of the social world.”
Yep. Usually 2 or 3 times a year I will get random actual pursuit flirting rather than just than the usual proximity alerts and IOIs. One instance was at my gym – Amazonian personal trainer, tall, strong thighs, round ass, large natural tits, long black curly hair and dark brown eyes. A 9 easy. Walked up behind me at the water tap and simply blurted out, “you work out here don’t you?’. Considering we had been at the same gym for 2 years and were standing IN the gym when she said it, it was a case of Captain Obvious and contending for stupid statement of the year.
Any guy would have been dismissed about 0.000001 seconds after this opener. Whenever a chick does try to open and lead, I notice a very ‘hot potato’ approach – after the initial approach they are dying to pass the lead over to you because its too hot for them to handle.
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Whenever a chick does try to open and lead, I notice a very ‘hot potato’ approach – after the initial approach they are dying to pass the lead over to you because its too hot for them to handle.
So true. “Hot potato approach”, good name for it.
Like when they write you and ask how you are doing, ask if you’re going to do anything fun in the weekend…. You say, “not really”, to see how long this will go on. It will go on forever. She will never ask to see you. She’ll just say things like “I’m not going to do anything special”, or “I’m going to that place you talked about.” I know, I know, the guy is supposed to pursue. But just for once, how about the girl doing the asking? When it’s so obvious what she wants.
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@blogster, yes, that’s the level of imbecility women have when they have to initiate social interactions with people they are sexually interested in. Even autistic children with speech impediments are more socially apt. You should have told her that no, your twin brother worked out in there for the last 2 years.
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“I mean, if we’re gonna share opinions about total strangers.”
Great social validation. She deserved your comeback.
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So are clown socks more Alpha than clown faces?
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“Clown socks” can be changed. A “clown face,” not so much. Remember, when you want to tease a girl neg her about something that she can change (clothes, hair style, whatever). To point out something that she can not change is nuclear. Nicely played.
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i was heartened by shailene woodley the other day and of course the uglies had to go on the ‘concern’ attack http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/shailene-woodley-feminism-confused_n_5269620.html
side shailey note there’s a younger, fuller version of her on the red road that floats my boat.
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Interesting that the lower SMV chick took the initiative, fits right in with observations about chubbies having to be more aggressive. She opened right up with a mild shit test, to provide you with an opening. Unfortunately for her, the opening was used to delight her companion.
By the way, I’m guessing the socks were partially intended to provide some variety and invite conversation. They’re actually a pretty good way to do that in my experience, provided they are paired up with good quality shoes.
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yeah the socks are trendy and serve the dual purpose of opening girls. but, like i wrote, i was in a foul mood and couldn’t be bothered to turn up my inner lothario. the asshole decided to come out to play instead. and yet still i was surprised how powerfully being a total asshole works on cute girls. i shouldn’t be surprised any longer, but i am.
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> “i shouldn’t be surprised any longer, but i am”
It’s scary, man.
When you venture into the netherworld shadows of full-blown sociopathic Game, you are playing with some dark, dark, Dark Voodoo.
Be careful.
Always be sure to pull back at the last moment before you lose your soul altogether.
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You must not show your age if girls open you like that. You would think that after a certain age, they would be too intimidated to flap their gums like that.
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Tommy Lee has had plenty of Moments of Alpha with Pamela Anderson.
But now that shes hit the wall she reveals childhood sex abuse.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/mag-watch/pamela-anderson-reveals-sex-abuse-20140519-zrgmy.html
Remember this guys next time a Chick wont do it with you because her uncle titty fucked her in 1992.
Abuse survivor Pamela Anderson went for that Alpha Drummer with plenty of enthusiasm…And I bet Tommy Lee didn’t have to listen to these new stories either.
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I miss the Pam and Carmen electra of the 90’s!!! Carmen is aging better than Pam. But I’ll always be a Pammy and Carmen over. They both were truly GORGEOUS in their early years.
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Go the fuck away.
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She’s a 46 year old shameless self promoter who’s “star” was waned
The money has dried up so in order to get back in the spotlight, sell books, appear on talk shows etc, …. “I was abused” …. yadda yadda yadda.
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nobody cares about her anymore, now all of a sudden she was “raped.” only took her 25 years. the Boy Who Cried Wolf is now the Bitch Who Cried Rape. …and then one day she really was raped, but no one believed her. no one believes a liar even when they tell the truth
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“The revelation came as she unveiled the Pamela Anderson Foundation, which will focus on the environment and animal rights, in front of more than 200 people during the film festival in France on Friday.”
There you have the reason for the time and place.
She couldn’t talk about something personal in private first, could she? If she wanted the public to know, maybe tell a journalist for one of the less sleazy rags? No, she tells the story for the first time before an audience.
Which was the only way her foundation would end up in the news.
Environment AND animal rights? How about throwing in sexism and money to immigrant children while you’re at it?
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lol you a piece of shit just like your mother. you think you a male for insulting a woman. you a closet homosexual you piece of shiit. you a scared piece of shiiit. fuuuck you and your fmily. tell your mother to change her black lipstick because my dick is becoming black after all that sucking. where you at in england punk. gonna ko you. if you last more than 10 punches ill buy you a beer after i rape your dead body
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Cool story bro.
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HEY!
jus cuz a fat girl didnt make fun of YOUR clown socks……
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Ah, the fruits of public education.
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Mai bine iti tineai gura inchisa, prostovanule.
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Back to the cotton fields, boy.
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eat a bag of baby dicks, internet warrior:
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sez the internet warrior who uses cartoons as semantic weapons.
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wasn’t at you, CH. Target was douchebag euinsumi
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http://www.prlog.org/12325264-students-accused-of-rape-can-fight-back-court-oks-suits-against-university-employees-and-female.html
Important news for college students. If the bitch decides it was rape and uses the university’s kangaroo court against you, you can sue her for big bucks, as well as suing the university on several grounds.
There’s actually an increase in justice. Good.
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Oh, and by the way, this is true even if the kangaroo court finds against you. You can still sue her as well as the university.
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Yep, funny how them slander and contractual interference laws work when an institution goes to great lengths to document an unsubstantiated accusation. Not to mention…Discovery is a bitch!
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> “Discovery is a bitch!”
And videotape is your friend.
Videotape with high-quality audio.
Of her screaming “Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God” during each of her five different orgasms.
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see you, and raise you:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/ringling-circus-prevails-in-14-year-legal-case-collects-16m-from-humane-society-others/2014/05/16/50ce00b8-dd15-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html
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Remember this If your slow on your feet with come backs You can call any western woman “miss piggy” and it will be true enough to be a good neg
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I’ve told multiple women on different occasions that I couldn’t hug them after they offered me a hug because they had “girl cooties”.
And I did this while I sheepishly looked away like an awkward virgin. It wasn’t an alpha moment at all and I displayed zero alpha body language.
They instantly punched me in the arm with a sparkle in their eyes and I later heard that these girls thought I was “super cute”.
I’m a total beta, remember, but I’m wondering why this gave them tingles? Or did it?
I said it in a really innocent and cute way, the same way we used to say it to girls we liked when we were 6.
Women don’t like weak betas, so why did they dig this?
PS: This is actually my natural reaction to a woman wanting to touch me (shy, sheepish, yet curious, and playful). Maybe they liked it cause it was real?
Sorry if this is a bit of a tangent but what do you guys think and thanks for the responses!
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> “I’m a total beta, remember, but I’m wondering why this gave them tingles?”
See the child play thread from a few days ago:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/childrens-phrases-as-game-material/
Bitchez just LOVE them some fake innocence in their Alphas.
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LIFO’ed again. Sorry.
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Lifo’ed?
Don’t understand.
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I’ve been trying to reply to you but the LIFO stack keeps eating it.
LIFO = Last In First Out.
The ordering of shit gets thrown all to random stochastic hell under LIFO.
As opposed to FIFO, which preserves orderings.
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Because you disqualified them based on having cooties, which is obviously playful. Only an imbecile would think women have cooties.
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lol all you idiots thinking you hard for insulting women. 200 bucks says none of you get any pussy. with atitudes like that lol. i think i beat up at least 3 guys for acting hard to women. you really are the lowest of the low. instead of alpha you should called yourself the shitty closet homosexual. lol. shitty idiots
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Shut up fag
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first of all readingcomprehensionboy, the girl threw out the first insult. is it your policy to let girls have a fine time insulting you while you nod and smile like a little faggot manlet? second, anyone who writes “$200 says none of you get any pussy” is guaranteed to be a no pussy getting basement dweller projecting his tepid pre-cum all over the place.
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Orrrrr……… some fat girl who missed out on negging you for your clown socks> It’s her sexual frustration at being rejected.
You go grrrrrl….straight to the cupcake shop!
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All I do these days is 1) fuck pussy, 2) eat snacks, 3) pass out.
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I’ve got a couple of mistresses on the frying pan and another in the fire.
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You must be a fag you cus like a 14 yoa girl who is pmsing. Troll, go sell your wares to femistx blog or whatever the fuck she calls it. Come back and post when your balls drop.
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euinsumi,
That language and violence is not tolerated and I’m going to have give your mother a call. Now please report to the principle’s office.
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In college hugging was how people said hello. I used to feel shitty because the hbs wouldnt hug me as often as some of my high status friends. I craved those hugs. And got few.
Nowadays I channel my inner sperg and when girls go to hug me I dont react at all and leave them akwardly draped over me. Its not you being sheepish or talking about cooties that gives them tingles. I think its the fact that theyre used to giving hugs out like doggy treats. Then here you come not wanting any part of their cootie infested hugs and cementing yourself as higher value.
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This is an interesting observation. I hug people all the time, and you are right, the “alpha” guys don’t really hug back. They don’t freeze up and act uncomfortable or nervous… they just don’t physically react. They make me do the work.
[CH: hugging is a swpl thing i could do without. naturally, if i have to put up with it i’m gonna press in real close if the hugger is a cute girl with a big rack.
btw, womanizer alphas may not like hugging, but for some reason they do like patting and even squeezing the asses of other men. it’s part dominance maneuver, part show of friendship, part homoeroticism.]
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Hugs are tricky to read. They can be hugs of betadom; they can be simple thank yous; they can be omg-ur-so-hot! It all depends on context. For example, I was dancing with a 9 once. She hugged me tightly after the first dance (not a betadom “A” frame hug). I asked her to dance again. After the second dance, she hugged me again and said, “You make me look so good.” I walked her back to her spot and she hugged me a third time. Tingles were high, obviously. If I’d been single I’d have gone for the kiss on the spot without even chatting her up.
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Bitchez should NOT be pressing their titties against a man’s chest unless they are DTF.
And their mommas oughta teach them that:
Titty Press => DTF.
And No DTF => No Titty Press.
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Yet another thing I’ll miss about university. Hugging and cheek kissing 10+ girls each time I went to uni. That was fun although I never really hugged girls back except this one girl that had really comfy hugs. lol. Thinking retrospectively, I probably could have nailed her.
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Amy, alphas hug back as reassurance to women mostly. Sometimes to reciprocate affection. I usually hug back with less enthusiasm and hold it until just after the woman quits hugging. Kind of a protector/nurturer frame. Betas aren’t nurturers–they are clingers.
If the woman throws an A-frame hug at me, I’ll do a quick hug and release, then leave. A-frame hugs are creepy attempts to disqualify men.
I don’t chat women up much, so hugs for me are a chance to build comfort. If I chat a woman up, they usually see it as a big deal. Same if I give them a sideways hug or do any kino. I might chat a woman up just because I’m bored and I consider her a friend. Good chance they read more into it than they should (hypergamy), so I usually don’t chat women up.
Readers might appreciate a post by CH about hugs and how to read them and how they fit into various frames.
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“CH: hugging is a swpl thing i could do without. naturally, if i have to put up with it i’m gonna press in real close if the hugger is a cute girl with a big rack.”
How do your girl friends greet you, then? How do you expect/want them to greet you?
I don’t press up against guys when I hug them, it’s a greeting type hug, quick, and I usually kiss them on the cheek. The only exception is if I’m really glad to see them for a specific reason, i.e. the other night I saw a friend of mine who just recovered from a freak illness that almost killed him. I was so happy to see him out and looking healthy that I hugged him hard. But I don’t think anyone would confuse that with a sexual advance.
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Uhhhh….totally disagree. Hugging is a great way to fast-kino a bish. Just be sure to put your arms under her arms so her arms are forced up around your neck. That way it’s a little sensual but it’s still safe. If I HAVE to leave before getting a bang or any real ‘comfort’ time…I always would choose the sensual hug goodbye over the kiss.
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Amy, I’m guessing you have more guyfriends than girlfriends.
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@ Amy
“I don’t press up against guys when I hug them, it’s a greeting type hug, quick, and I usually kiss them on the cheek. The only exception is if I’m really glad to see them for a specific reason, i.e. the other night I saw a friend of mine who just recovered from a freak illness that almost killed him. I was so happy to see him out and looking healthy that I hugged him hard. But I don’t think anyone would confuse that with a sexual advance.”
Yeah, that’s pretty obvious from context. Otoh, if it was around midnight in a bar and you hugged a guy like that three times while dancing with him during two consecutive dances and complimented him on his dancing, saying he made you look good, then that would qualify as a solid IOI asking for a kiss.
It’s not unusual for good male dancers to be kissed by women on the dance floor and doesn’t necessarily carry off the floor. It’s an “in the moment” thing. (I don’t do it because it could cause me problems at home if my wife found out. She’s insecure enough that I’m out dancing without her. I don’t like to take her out because she’ll do crazy stuff like pour beer on my arm because I danced three dances in a row with a chick I’m teaching how to dance on the floor.)
I still don’t like those A-frame hugs. And I wouldn’t consider a brief regular hug with a peck on the cheek an IOI either. Just sayin’.
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Oh, sometimes women will send a strong IOI by “screwing their tits into your chest” during a hug, way beyond a forceful hug. Not sure how else to put it. Like any deliberate IOI, a chick might be just messing with you. Maybe she just wants a selfie taken with you, for instance.
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I wonder if Jesus ever had moments of alpha with Mary Magdelene. Or was she the only woman in history* to stay in the friendzone for her best years?
* apart from Miss Piggy that is.
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Faggotry pushing phase III
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/19/4124901/burger-king-scrapping-have-it.html
WE ARE DONE
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lol…that’s just…I mean…and then they…
we have descended into self-parody. more like “Be Real Gay” amirite brehs? brehss?
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Fernando Machado, Burger King’s senior vice president of global brand management, noted in an interview that “Have It Your Way” focuses only on the purchase — the ability to customize a burger. By contrast, he said “Be Your Way” is about making a connection with a person’s greater lifestyle.
“We want to evolve from just being the functional side of things to having a much stronger emotional appeal,” said Machado, who joined the company in March.
Ridiculous. They ARE on the “functional side of things”. They sall cheap food. They are not the customers’ friends anymore than whoever sold me my refrigerator is.
They are also getting rid of the newer “Taste is king” slogan, the story says.
Burger King is controlled by 3G Capital, which is run by South Americans: Jorge Paulo Lemann, Carlos Alberto Sicupira, Marcel Herrmann Telles and Roberto Thompson Motta. HQ is in Rio de Janeiro, although they also have one in New York since you have to in order to make big business. They have everything to gain by joining in the attack on the gringos’ culture.
Of course, if the U.S. was nationalist they would adjust their marketing to that without skipping a beat.
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Jesus was smart enough to make his church’s priesthood a men’s-only club.
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Jesus was a leader of men and had awesome magic tricks. Double chick crack. Mary Magdalene would have tried every trick in the book in order to bear his children (and therefore claim his status and provisioning for life )
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And he used “agree and amplify game” in his passion
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Not sure why that qualifies as a moment of alpha, I do shit like that all the time.
While back , I was grabbing drive thru on the way home after a night at the bar. Placed my order, pulled up to the window, and this giant slorg of a woman came to take my money. She could barely fit down the aisle that led to window but she managed to squeeze through dragging rolls blubber across the counter tops. I paid, she squeezed back down the aisle turned left and disappeared. We sat there for what felt like a half hour… Finally she comes back with my food hands it to me and says ” I’m sorry about your wait sir . ”
I said ” I’m sorry about yours too. ” And drove off.
My girl punched me in the arm as I tossed the bag-o-burgers in her lap , but I could tell she was restraining laughter.
” Why do I keep going out with you ? ”
” The orgasms. “
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Funny!
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No, that sad story wasn’t a moment of alpha so you obviously don’t do that shit all the time.
That was just insulting a fat girl to inflate your own ego and excite your low character girlfriend.
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There was no need to insult that woman like that. She did nothing bad to you. Check you sense of entitlement.
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worth 700 words, indeed.
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It’s interesting that after so many moments of alpha throughout the years one almost (not quite, but almost) wishes to never do it again, realizing the momentary feet is just an ego bump that will soon fade away.
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Nailed it. Ego bump is on the money
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Go live in the monastery. Revel in how your lack of contact with the scene is actually a medal of honor, not something that is imposed on you.
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There’s a play there.
Take the insult and apply it to the bitches body or face or hair.
Then if she continues
Don’t trade insults with strangers.
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I’ve seen this thing where chicks “neg” dudes. This comes from one of three places: (1) common vulgarian orneriness; (2) girl projecting female attraction buttons and thinking that men also respond to negs; and (3) the phenomenon that blogger Hipster Racist calls “topping from the bottom,” or the brat act, where a girl teases a man, inviting him to spank her for it, figuratively or literally.
The chubster thing, of course, makes it a ‘who gives a shit which one it is’ situation.
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I got this a couple of times last year and wondered WTF? One a Californian leftist SWPL ‘culture’ studies student, the other a Moroccan (needless to say a conservative background).
Both would literally seek me out (out of no previous interaction) and attempt to goad me into slapping them down (metaphorically/physically) by making smartass remarks or initiating conversation and then making negative comments.
One had a crew of lacky beta orbiters and the other was quite feisty and goaded me once or twice in front of her ‘boyfriend’ – neither of which with I made any previous attempt to approach.
Learned something today.
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I don’t think this qualifies as Alpha…more of a dick move.
[CH: chicks dig dicks.]
Alpha doesn’t need to criticize someone weaker than him, unless it’s to tease someone or make a point.
[It’s weirdly aspie and/or trollish to confuse a quick and obviously comical jab in retaliation for an unprovoked insult with a “criticism of someone weaker”.]
In this case, it’s more of picking on a victim. She was paying you a compliment,
[you have a funny definition of compliment. here’s a helpful guide: compliment: “i like your socks”. not a compliment: “nice clown socks”.]
no need to go out of your way to be a total douche.
[something that bothers me is the thought that a majority of the CH readership watches cartoons as their primary source of cultural enrichment. these kinds of manlets are the sorts to lift their skirts over their head when they read stuff like what’s in this post, because they’re so removed from actual experience in the real world that they think it’s impossible that there are men who respond to cutesy bitches with a little more testicular fortitude than your typical shrinking violet.]
Being alpha is a lot more complex than cocky funny, his comment was neither…
[i will take your advisement about what is and is not alpha under consideration… NOT.]
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She was paying you a compliment
Do you like being called a clown? No, she was bothering him in public. The response was perfect–in and of itself, and as a set up for swooping the cute friend if so inclined.
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> “a set up for swooping the cute friend if so inclined”
Can you imagine if, at their subway stop, Heartiste had gotten off with them, and went for the hard kino, and gently but firmly grabbed the arm of the cute chick, and leaned over for even more kino, and murmured in her ear, “Put your number in my iPhone”.
And she put her number in his iPhone.
And then the fat ugly cock-blocking chick went home and cried herself to sleep for 1001 nights.
Like fat-fucking She-Orca-Zade.
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@PA this is a great follow up to the appeasement post a few days ago. Guy gets hit with a crack like that…he laughs it off…life goes on.
But how many times a day does he get hit with that during a day. With each of those there’s a cut to his inner game, self-esteem and it becomes acceptable.
You can see the previous comments “ah…women are like that…” “ahh…it’s just a compliment” etc etc.
I recently posted how my ex gf whom I made contact with after a 4 month freeze out by dancing with her started to criticize my dancing.
Instead of trying to keep the peace or laughing it off….it reframed it:
Her: “Who taught you how to lead???”
Me: Who taught you how to follow? If you want me to give you dance lessons, you’re going to have to pay for them.
She was all submissive after that….then her hamster started spinning and she froze me out which I continued to ignore.
I can point out other situations. The point is that it’s not a “joke”….and to rationalize it as one is death by a thousand cuts….or cunts.
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“something that bothers me is the thought that a majority of the CH readership watches cartoons as their primary source of cultural enrichment”
this is a problem with “men” in general these days. at least the ones you meet on the innernette.
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Eh, it is important to distinguish what kind of cartoons one watches.
If you watch moe blob, harem tyoe of shit, there is no way you aren’t a lesser beta at best.
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“this is a problem with “men” in general these days.”
I challenge anyone here to name a consistently funnier group than the original writing team for the simpsons, a cartoon with deeper and richer cultural references than any program ever broadcast, cartoon or not.
inspired genius until conan jumped the shark in four with the monorail. he was not an original member.
If you can think of a more prolific comedy writer than swartzwelder I’ll eat my fedora.
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Wow Anonymous, maybe CH should float you this poor girl’s number, because the way you’re white knighting for her she clearly will reward you with lots of big momma sex.
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“Being alpha is a lot more complex than cocky funny, his comment was neither…”
“No true Scotsman”.
If his comment was neither, why was the other girl laughing? His comment was obviously cocky and funny, as anyone reading it can see.
And if it wasn’t, why would you bring up cocky/funny at all?
“a lot more complex” – but it includes being cocky and funny. Weird to say a guy isn’t alpha for advocating cockiness and fun, with the argument that he isn’t advocating the whole package at the same time.
“a lot more complex”? How is it “complex”? Ah, whatever. You just wrote whatever word you could think of at the time. You were thinking of “a lot more” but decided you wanted a fancier word, in the hope that it would make you seem smarter.
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I love ya ch,but that was not good.you,re a high status male,you bang! Now if you wassome omega who was being put in his place by a cruel bitch trying to gain status by lowering yurs then by all means insult away.But you just hurt a girl who was just playful.Not a cunt. Save the snivs for the femcunts who deserve it
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r ur balls chopped off?
Insulting a Man is not PLAYFUL you emo turd.
^^that was an insult too. Fags like you have gotta stop reframing insults as playful cuz it makes the bitches hornier for us and less for you.
You fuck rude fatties, we fuck pleasant cuties.
Idiot.
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i regret not being clearer in this post. she wasn’t being playful. nastiness oozed from her body language and tone of voice.
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I read this post and thought about it for a bit. My first inclination was that the response was alpha, but then I began thinking how it would have been more alpha had you said it to a hotter girl (which then made me think the response wasn’t very alpha after all). Though if she was nasty, then your comment is appropriate. However, it’s hard to believe someone being this rude in the daytime. I don’t think that’s ever happened to me. I assume she was trying to hit on you and missed the calibration.
[CH: who said anything about daytime?
(i hope regulars understand the need for discretion in revealing too many telling details.)]
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I think your post is clear. I think the miscommunication or misinterpretation is rationalization on the part of some readers who would be afraid of confrontation.
This is a critical mistake of guys who haven’t fully digested the essence of game…I know, I was one of those guys.
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CH, I’d probably just stare her down and ignore her after that. Your way works, too. Maybe I’d check out her friend with a glance after staring down Fattie. But, IMO, winning entirely with body language is the biggest DHV _if you can pull it off_. Cutie might have started flirting seriously once Fattie was stared down.
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“Great news for men: If a wackjob girl makes a frivolous rape accusation, you can sue her and the school for damages.”
I might actually put on my hip waders and go visit Jizzabel or HuffPo just to hear the howling and gnashing of teeth.
“Several additional claims by the plaintiff were not accepted by the court on the basis of the complaint which had been filed, but the court said that the male student was not precluded from bringing up these claims again, provided they were properly pleaded.
These claims included, said Banzhaf: breach of contract, violation of Title IX (discrimination against him by the school on the basis of his gender), negligence, making public statements which place him in a false light, and intentional infliction of emotional distress (which might also warrant punitive damages).”
More evidence that when leftoids target you for termination, your best bet is to (1) open up with everything you have, in particular aiming their own go-to accusations (racism and sexism) back at them, and (2) not retreat an inch or waste any breath defending yourself – throw it all into the attack.
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This is what I find disappointing about all these people that cower in fear when the left’s machine gets moving. Fuck that. I’m going to fight you and lose, but I will make it so uncomfortable for you that you will cry. I will sue the living hell of a company that fired me for my privately expressed beliefs. Even if I lose, I will make a PR hell for that company and not let the thing go away.
If I was convicted for hate speech, I’d ask for asylum in Russia and start writing propaganda for them.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/19/michelle-obama-would-like-students-to-monitor-family-members-for-racial-insensitivity/
“First lady Michelle Obama is encouraging students to monitor their older relatives, friends and co-workers for any racially insensitive comments they might make, and to challenge those comments whenever they’re made.
The first lady spoke on Friday to graduating high school students in Topeka, Kansas, and in remarks released over the weekend, Obama said students need to police family and friends because federal laws can only go so far in stopping racism.”
In the same speech, presumably oblivious to the irony, she made sure to remind everyone that her ancestors were brought here in chains.
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yea another 21 year old white dude bites the dust shot in chest and head by a black dude they didn’t know each other
no robbery no reason white dude just had a baby three weeks before
my friend chick went to funeral
yea pretty bad mojo
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built a nig project by the white trailer park
I guess the elites say poor white get no quasi gated community
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got to hand it to the blacks again they get rid of competition
don’t see white dudes going and just offin a group of them and we say we smart
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well I guess was the black dudes moment of alpha now he going jail
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guess win win for the dude now too gets to go prison and kill white dudes
but yea off the street sure it was white cops that took him I guess we smart in way but at the rate they have kids we gonna be overrun at one for one losses
what the dudes in the gated community gonna do when their one security guard is overpowered
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think what I could contribute is paying for buses to take these nigs out to million dollar house areas and drop them off to go make money maybe things would change a bit
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not the first won’t be last why don’t the nigs ever do me that favor wtf is wrong with me that I don’t get shot or killed what am I not white enough
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everyone know I got a stack of cash in my house and no gun what more do I have to do
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god dam I need to get out of here
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yea im baitin ill fuckin admit I want to stab someone about 300 times trying to break in my house no dice so far
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and yea I kind of hope they have a gun cause imma grin and still stab the mutherfucker until you can’t recognize what the fuck it is
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then ill have an alpha moment to talk about he he he
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gunslingergregi
“everyone know I got a stack of cash in my house and no gun what more do I have to do”
“yea im baitin ill fuckin admit I want to stab someone about 300 times trying to break in my house no dice so far”
That’ll take care of the ol gun problem eh?
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I dunno CH. It does sound like she might have been trying to tease you cause she was attracted to you. Girls don’t usually just randomly insult strangers verbally like that without ulterior motives. Of course we all know how you love the fatties so you might have been reacting with hostility after looking at her face/body and it had nothing to do with the actual comment. That’s my guess cause “nice clown socks” doesn’t sound like a terrible insult. I think she was trying to give you a neg. 😉
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normally you’re right. random insults from women are often a way for the less cute to communicate their arousal. but this was not the case this time. the chubster was just looking to keep up whatever party she had going with her friend.
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“normally you’re right. random insults from women are often a way for the less cute to communicate their arousal.”
this is true but why reinforce the behavior by accepting it as common and either ignoring it or playing along? women will never understand that this behavior is undesirable or change the behavior unless we send clear signals that it is unacceptable and results in less interest from us.
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that comment was directed at Bango Tango not CH.
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Drunk horny young lesbo told me she’d bear my children Friday night before her frIends dragged her off. I wonder how many of the younger ones are just closeted straights.
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> “I wonder how many of the younger ones are just closeted straights.”
Approximately 100%.
Do not misunderestimate the extent to which The Frankfurt School has poisoned the well of Western Civilization.
Satanically fucking up all of these poor girls’ minds.
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yea lesbo shit really is just a cry for help
and done because of media I think in most cases to make it in their mind exciting for a man
my chick told me she lived with a bitch for a year lesbo bla bla
but they only had “sex” three times
when I informed her that didn’t turn me on
she now says its gross or she don’t do that lol
when I test her
kind of funny he he he
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FR Nothing Again
So here we go. This is starting to get a bit frustrating. Lol But I know I am learning. So here was the text exchange from tonight. I followed the plan. She did not show.
Me: Hey girl meet me down at ——- at 7:30 🙂 3:20 PM (just inviting her down)
Her: Try my best got into a little accident this morning 3:35 PM (felt at this point I was making progress she was not even asking me to pick her up)
Her: Some asshole smashed into me this morning. I’m fine. Just pissed 3:54 PM (white knight request)
Her: So, damage to car not my fault! Yippie, now have to get a rental tomorrow because of the douche 7:19 PM (trying to get me to chase her)
Her: Still available though. 7:31 PM (still trying)
Me: Sure come on down 7:31 PM (I invite her down)
Her: I’ll let you know. Today was a doozy 7:34 PM (more drama, yet another bad day)
Her: Back of car was smashed in. Luckily Tristan wasn’t with me 7:36 PM (drama, now car seems like it is smashed instead of little accident lol)
Her: What other day’s are u In town? Til Wednesday, I’m without my car. 😦 7:58 PM (going to have her car back in two days? Thought it was smashed?)
Me: ok we can meet up on another night when things aren’t so hectic for you 10:03 PM
Sounds like a bullshit story to me. I think she is going through her rolodex to try to come up with more bullshit stuff to get me to come save her and pick her up. Because she is a “princess”. She seems to be trying all of these silly childish tactics to get me to pick her up. She is not even explicitly asking anymore which I at first thought may be progress. Just inferring she needs a ride with her latest drama story that she is the victim of. But now I am starting to think she has more in common with the 26YO crazy than I thought. You guys talk a lot about screening these girls for problems. What do you think? This is the fourth time she has flaked on me with some kind of “good” excuse. I am detecting here that maybe she is not worth the trouble? Do you think I have the wrong assessment? I am trying to analyze this objectively but it is hard to be objective.
I went to the bar and there was not a lot going on. Monday night at happy hour. Hung out there for a couple of hours. Hardly any women to speak of. Talked to a couple of people and the bartender. But not much else. Kind of disappointing. I got to get better at approaching people. I think I would next this chick if I had a better set of spinning plates and was better at approaching. Yareally your long post with the plan is still stuck in mod purgatory. lol
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@reco
“Me: ok we can meet up on another night when things aren’t so hectic for you 10:03 PM”
Solid.
She was baiting you over and over to drive her around and shit. But fuck that. What she EXPECTS you to do is go “wow your life is a mess, how can I help fix it??”
But a guy with options would look at this as basically “wow your life is kind of a mess right now…you sort that out, I’ll be over here with this girl who doesn’t have so much baggage, and when you get your shit handled then we can give it another go.” which is what you basically did by 1) not asking for more details about any of her silly drama, and 2) cancelling the date abruptly but not butthurt and giving her the reason WHY (if you just say “ok I’ll make other plans”, you aren’t telling her how she can fix things with you…by saying “when things aren’t so hectic for you” or “when you’re in a better mood” or “when you can make it out to this part of town” you’re feeding her “this is how you can fix this and have another shot with me” so when she does finally come around she can say “ok my life is sorted, let’s do this!” or “ok I found a ride to that part of town when can we meet up?” etc. You’re giving her the solution).
Unfortunately this has gone too far into drama mode so now it’s time for some tough lovin’.
FULL radio silence till Thursday evening. Zero responses at all to anything she says even if she sends naked pics or offers “it’s wednesday i’m free, can I come suck your cock tonight???? please!! Just say yes and I’ll show up in lingerie ready to take it up the bum!!”
Because now you’re in walawala territory where you COULD theoretically get the lay on Wednesday, but 1) she’ll probably dick you around again to see if you keep chasing and make sure she’s the princess, 2) even if you met up she would probably avoid putting out wasting your time/money, and 3) even if you could get her to meet up and even if you could get her into bed and actually bang her, you would be doing it on HER terms instead of yours which sets the frame that you chase her and follow her rules to get the prize (her pussy) VS the frame that she chases you and follows your rules to get the prize (your cock).
For illustration purposes: the chick i had over today had to pay $20 for parking to park near my apartment and come up to bang me. She paid money to be able to suck my cock. Sure, she TRIED to get me to come to her a few times, but I held my frame and it meant passing up a few possible lays with her, but now the sex will happen on my terms, and she’s cool with that because she respects me and she sees me as high-value so to her that $20 is worth it. I’m the prize in this arrangement.
The problem for most guys is that they want the sex NAAAAOWWWWW so they can’t pass up any possible chances for immediate pleasure for the long-term reward…usually because they don’t have other options either. You have other options, so you can pass her up right now so this is a good opportunity to practice that.
“Sounds like a bullshit story to me. I think she is going through her rolodex to try to come up with more bullshit stuff to get me to come save her and pick her up. Because she is a “princess”. She seems to be trying all of these silly childish tactics to get me to pick her up. ”
Yup. It’s bullshit. Sure it might’ve happened, but she’s only telling you it because she’s trying to get you to offer to rescue your little princess. It’s good that you can see all this now.
But remember: she’s doing this not because she’s crazy like the 26yo (she MIGHT be lol, but this one is starting drama with a particular goal in mind (getting you to supplicate) VS 26yo who just starts drama for the sake of having drama in your lives).
She’s doing this primarily because YOU allowed this frame of her being the princess to be set, by reacting to her carrot dangling (fuck I hope that post in mod shows up soon, it had great analogies and a breakdown of your txts in it showing exactly where you chased her carrot…c’mon mods help a guy out lol)
So by withdrawing your attention, what exactly is that doing? That’s telling her “ok this guy won’t play white knight and come rescue me. Fine then, I’m the princess, if he won’t chase me then he doesn’t get the prize which is my pussy!” But at 33 there aren’t a lot of other high-value guys chasing that pussy lol There are guys chasing, but they’re losers (partly BECAUSE they chase). She may vanish for a bit or try to date one of them, but she’ll come back to you and chase you as long as you don’t budge, because you not budging is what makes her know you’re a real man.
The good news is that on your end this is easy. You just don’t text lol Done. No effort required…hell, LESS effort required now lol
“This is the fourth time she has flaked on me with some kind of “good” excuse. I am detecting here that maybe she is not worth the trouble? Do you think I have the wrong assessment?”
You’re spot on, and again it’s good that you can even notice this stuff now.
BUT, that said, it’s punishment time for her:
– TOTAL radio silence till Thursday evening (evening because that’s when you can have a deep conversation)
– she will probably text you Wednesday offering to meet up, ignore this, TOTAL radio silence, she needs to suffer a bit to learn that you’re willing to walk away
– she’ll probably throw a temper tantrum at you…the severity of this tantrum will tell you how close she is to 26YO crazy. If her “tanturm” is her withdrawing and being like “ok I get it you’re mad at me 😦 it’s ok I understand 😦 :(“, she’s normal. if it’s more like “you know what fuck you then you’re such a jerk anyway I hate that stupid mole on your face fuck you I’m deleting you why won’t you respond”, then you have a full-blown 26YO crazy on your hands again lol I predict it’ll be closer to the 😦 😦 version.
Either way, you ignore this tantrum. Radio silence till thursday evening.
– Thursday evening you send her a “lol sorry didn’t see your txts”
Now here you have two options you can choose from:
1) you can try to change her attitude, this is the point where I might send something like “I don’t know…you’ve changed. When we met you were so carefree and happy and all your txts were sweet and cute and upbeat, but lately all your txts are negative and just complaining about life and putting all your problems on me…what happened to the fun girl I went out with before? I don’t really have room in my life for negative people…maybe we can hang out down the road when you get your life sorted out a bit more, no hard feelings babe xo” This is kind of a hail-mary lol. It’ll probably get a bit of a shocked offended tantrum of some kind which you just ignore completely and don’t respond to and let her just vent…buuuuut within a week or two she should send something sweet or a nice pic or something and shape her attitude up. Depends on the girl but usually this works.
After that, go radio silent for a few days, till, say, Sunday or Monday. Let her have a weekend without you. Give her the gift of missing you.
or
2) you can act like nothing is wrong and game as usual buuuuut don’t offer to meet up again and don’t take any of her invites or hints to suggest meeting up. She’s friend-zoned to you as if she was 500lbs. This is trickier because it takes her a while to figure out that something is wrong, so I like option 1 better because it gets shit handled fast. Tells her what’s wrong and how to fix it. This option 2 is a more passive approach that’s less drama but takes longer to kick in and make her change.
Personally if I was you I would try option 1 because it’s probably something you’ve never done before and it’ll be a good learning experience about setting and enforcing your boundaries and expectations from people which is a good life lesson to learn in general.
You can still bang her, but it sure as shit, no matter WHAT you do, even if you totally follow all her rules, it won’t be this Wednesday lol It’ll be like, next week at the earliest but probably closer to 3 or 4 weeks minimum.
Sucks, because she seemed like an easy lay at first, but you have to understand that you fell into her frame and chased juuuust enough times for her to have gone down this route. This could have been avoided and, in the future, you’ll have a stronger frame from the start with other girls and you WILL avoid this kind of shit.
“I think I would next this chick if I had a better set of spinning plates and was better at approaching.”
Keep her around for the learning experience, but write her off as a possible lay for a solid month in your mind. The skills you gain from “training” her will be useful with other girls in the future.
Like part of why I have a strong as fuck frame with this stuff is that I’ve dealt with a ton of your 26YO crazies lol So I’ve seen all the shit they do and I’ve handled it and it doesn’t faze me at all now. I actually have one girl who’s batshit off the wall crazy but I don’t tell her to fuck off and delete her number because she likes to test my frame and I know that’s good practice for me…and she gets off on me holding my frame against her silly girl drama, so it’s win/win for both of us lol
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@YaReally Right. This is the only way to handle it. When I deviated even a little, tactically it was ok, but longer-term it was a set-back.
Girls who act this way are fundamentally damaged in some way. Normal, cool girls don’t act out. They shit test but they don’t act out.
So you’re already putting yourself at a disadvantage by accommodating them in any way.
Girls who are interested will make time, yes, they want you to chase them. But ultimately they want to feel they’ve won something, so making it too easy, making yourself too available, being more accommodating are all a recipe for longer-term drama.
I know.
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> “Girls who act this way are fundamentally damaged in some way.”
LEARN ABOUT BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/the-evisceration-of-penelope-trunk/
SRSLY.
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@yareally thanks my man. It sure does not seem like I am making any progress with her. Usually I get to the bang a lot quicker. But as a related note talking with my natural friend he asked me quizzically like he did not understand why the affairs I have had only last about 2 or 3 months. And the light just kind of went off in my head. Because I was being so beta they get tired of me. He of course does not understand this because in his world he owns them. And he can call on them anytime he wants.
This stuff certainly does test my patience. But I see what you are saying about doing it on my terms instead of her’s. And then being led around by her after that. I have not heard anything from her since my last text last night. I will follow the plan on option 1 on Thursday night. I have the rest of the week tied up with another trip out of town so will not be able to do anything with anyone in person for the rest of this week anyway. lol I will let you know what happens. And I will keep trying to look for your comments that are trapped in the Mod from hell. lol
I wanted to ask you about a old new prospect. A 25YOredhead very cute I would give her a 7 or 8, she is very sweet and mellow. Energy level is low. I may need to amp up her feelings a bit. Not sure how to do that though. I met her about a year ago. We flirted and got some real good interest from her. But I am a customer of hers. (Dont want to go into details because of security). So I never pulled the trigger to get her out to meet. Did a lot talking laughing, good eye contact and body language from both of us and a lot of touching from both of us. Over a period of about a few months. Then no contact for a year. So I saw her yesterday and she made a comment about not seeing me for a year gave me a big hug. Then told me a story she had where she had been out with her roomate and got really drunk. Not really her thing normally. Her roomate who works with her also is really cute. And then the roomate came over and talked with me some and we got to know each other a bit. Not quite sure how to proceed. My prediction is there is a 50/50 chance she will meet me out for a drink if I ask. So how would you proceed? Should I tell her to meet me at —- bar and lets get a drink. Then tell her to give me her number? Or is there other groundwork I need to do?
@HABD I see what you are saying about the rolodex. It sure seems like I am failing on this big time sometimes. But I am following the advice you guys give. I am leaning into the fear and working through it. I am assuming there will be some kind of breakthrough at some point. By the way I have not heard anything from my 40YONurse since she went silent last Friday. I am not going to contact her for a while then at the end of the week I will try to set something up for next week. Do you think that is a good plan? Oh and the 30YOfront desk girl. She is actually the manager. She was working all night. But interest is high. I come to this hotel a lot on business so I will start gaming her more.
@walawala I hear ya brother on not making it too easy. Major pain in the ass. Come to think of it the 33YOprude did mention having cancer on our first date. I never even responded to it. More drama.
@hunter I gotcha.
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@reco
“so will not be able to do anything with anyone in person for the rest of this week anyway. ”
Then do total radio silence till you’re free again. That’s actually a good habit to get into. If you’re busy, ignore the girls who aren’t getting with the plan. 1) it lets you focus on the shit you need to do, 2) it gives them the gift of missing you, and 3) it helps encourage them to seize opportunities when you offer them because your time is valuable.
She’s 33, she’s not gonna go find some other dude in 2 days to fall madly in love with and never want to bang you lol She’s surrounded by lame guys, like most girls. It’s okay to let her sweat things out for a week, she’ll still be there waiting for you ’cause the fact that you can let her sweat things out makes you higher value than the other guys and her Hypergamy wants the highest value guy.
If she was 20, then ya, you could lose her. But at 33? You could ignore her for a month and she’d still be there lol
“And I will keep trying to look for your comments that are trapped in the Mod from hell. lol”
lol I’ve lost track of how many I have in mod now. 😥 I wish I knew what triggered it so I could avoid doing it.
“Dont want to go into details because of security”
Good, don’t. They aren’t relevant anyway. In all honesty when people pour stories like this out I actually skip half their description because a lot of it is fluff lol I skip right to the stuff that’ll tell me what the situ is. Like the fact that she works 3 offices down and you guys met on a spring morning and she likes sunflowers is like, none of that matters lol
“My prediction is there is a 50/50 chance she will meet me out for a drink if I ask. So how would you proceed? Should I tell her to meet me at —- bar and lets get a drink. Then tell her to give me her number? Or is there other groundwork I need to do?”
Nah, you’re solid. Just go for it. She’s into ya. Just diffuse any weirdness, grab her # in isolation not in front of a bunch of people and she might have a little “oh but you’re my customer, isn’t this weird?” that you may have to frame control away. No biggie, you should be able to get her to come out for a drink.
I recommend doing a time bridge (ie – make very specific plans “let’s grab a drink at blah place on X day at Y time” and then grab the number just to keep in touch and confirm shit). Girls find it harder to flake when they agree to something in person, VS if you just said “gimme your #” and tried to game her and make plans over txt…which you could probably DO, but a time bridge is usually more solid.
“It sure seems like I am failing on this big time sometimes.”
Not your fault, she has 30 years of training at this, you have a few months lol You’re doing a lot better at taking and applying advice than most new guys.
“I am assuming there will be some kind of breakthrough at some point.”
Yup. We all started out just like you. 🙂 My first few years were fuckin’ rough, and I didn’t even have mentors or anything specifically helping me out, I was going at it solo and just reading other people’s shit on forums lol
“By the way I have not heard anything from my 40YONurse since she went silent last Friday.”
Ya, should be fine. She doesn’t txt much anyway. She just needed the confirm that you don’t think she’s a slut, shoot her a txt at the end of the week as planned and try setting something up. At 40 she might not need sex more than once or twice a month just because she might be in a general life routine where she just doesn’t have time for sex so it’s not on her mind 24/7.
“I come to this hotel a lot on business so I will start gaming her more.”
Try running Liam and Gambler’s laser eye-contact stuff on her if you haven’t. Might score you a free hotel room lol Careful if you mack on her tho, you don’t want to fuck up your hotel stays with awkwardness if it goes sour.
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@reco
“It sure seems like I am failing on this big time sometimes. But I am following the advice you guys give. I am leaning into the fear and working through it. I am assuming there will be some kind of breakthrough at some point. ”
you’re doing great…give yourself some credit here. this stuff’s not easy…and you’re working hard…you’ve already had your breakthrough…when you figured out what you were doing before wasn’t going to work for you anymore…lol…now it’s just a lot of little small steps through the process…just let that red pill sliiiide down…lol…again great job!
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Now that I’ve started soft nexting and seeing rolodexing happen like clockwork I’ve remembered other times in my life when girls did this and I fell into it because I had no game. The “I think I’m pregnant” one definitely happened at least half a dozen times in the past. And by the worst girls, texts saying they’re going to tell people the sex was nonconsensual.
It’s scary how the most attractive girls seem to have no moral compass whatsoever — they’re willing to ruin your life just for attention or to assuage their hurt egos. I think it’s likely that most accusations of sexual assault are false, and in fact are cases of hurt egos / buyer’s remorse. It’s a terrifying world we live in.
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@reco
“But now I am starting to think she has more in common with the 26YO crazy than I thought. You guys talk a lot about screening these girls for problems. What do you think?”
nah…this is just garden variety beta baiting…lol…(now if she suddenly is picked up by a big black dude who thinks your stupid bc she’s sooo hot…delete her number…lol…) she just hasn’t run through her rolodex yet…and she’ll start again at the beginning bc she HAD started to work you into her frame before…lol…and remember her age…she’s right at the wall and she’s really looking for that alpha (not beta…girls settle for betas when they can’t get alphas…) provider (that she feels that she deserves…and feminism has told her is there when she needs it…lol) she’s still trying to lock you into that frame.
remember this is happening at a subconscious level for her…just because you are starting to see these things doesn’t mean she can…lol…just try to enjoy the show and start making those predictions…lol…and congratulations on being able to start to see this stuff!…good work!
“She is not even explicitly asking anymore which I at first thought may be progress. Just inferring she needs a ride with her latest drama story that she is the victim of.”
there was a recent post on this very topic…lol…COTW regarding newlyaloof’s lawn incident…basically women hint at what they want and they expect you to jump up to save them without them directly asking…lol…
it was probably a fender bender but she needs the drama…hey, she’s the princess, right?…lol…
stay dark until YaReally’s post works its way up through Dante’s circles…lol…i’m sure it’s virtue will protect it from harm…lol…
…and what happened to the front desk girl?…lol…
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@reco
A girl I was banging and who then tried to I dunno…scare me into commiting and pulled back wrote me last week to tell me she might have cancer.
Please.
I never caved in. If this was truly serious you wouldn’t send it by text.
Why do girls want you to feel sorry for them? Because it’s what they’ve been conditioned to understand as “love” or closeness.
Early on in life they found when they were sick or sad or in trouble they got a lot of extra parental attention that was otherwise lacking.
As I reflect on this, my now ex gf was a master at this. Things would be awesome and then suddenly I’d get a text:
“I’m in trouble”…usually followed by some bizarre scenario:
Some kid she taught made false accusations she was rough with them
Her mother wants to move into her apartment so can she move into mine
She’s busy with work and stressed out and I’m not understanding enough (comes out of the blue without any discussion in advance of her needs—expects me to be a mind-reader and intuit her needs)
Etc.
Etc.
What does it do? For a certain type of people-pleasing guy it taps into your heart strings and sends you into rescuer mode. Then quickly the crisis is forgotten and she’s making you out to be “not caring enough” for some other manufactured reason.
Suddenly cancer girl hasn’t replied with the results of her biopsy. Hmmmmm…wouldn’t this be the first thing she’d want to share? If it was negative…she’d need me…if it was positive…she’d want to celebrate.
Since I didn’t take the bait, she’ll need to think of something else.
Oh wait..she did…she texted me she’s buying a new barbeque.
Sympathy didn’t work…maybe food will. etc. etc. etc.
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@ walawala
“expects me to be a mind-reader and intuit her needs”
” For a certain type of people-pleasing guy it taps into your heart strings and sends you into rescuer mode. Then quickly the crisis is forgotten and she’s making you out to be “not caring enough”
It’s all about her emotions. She’s in an emotional frame and probably isn’t self-aware enough to understand that or she would try to control it. The hamster is looking for a way to suck you into her frame. Sometimes it’s as a white-knight and sometimes as the persecutor whom she can blame for her emotional problems. In the second case she’ll nitpick some minor issue and magnify it way out of proportion. The solution is the same in both cases–withdraw attention and find something else to do.
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@walawala
Solid read on why those girls resort to that stuff. It’s just how they learned to get attention and keep devotion in the past. The “I think I’m pregnant” one is common too lol. A lot of blue pill people would read us saying this and go “wow you guys are MONSTERS”, but that’s what those girls are banking on and hoping that the fear of that social pressure will make us try to white knight them.
One of the big flags of bullshit to me is when the girl doesn’t say what’s wrong right away. She does the “omg something terrible just happened…” or “I’m in trouble…” and waits for me to ask what it is. That’s a big sign that she just wanting attention.
That said, it’s generally not malicious it’s just all she knows and was taught. That’s why we learn to hold a strong frame and not fall into her drama, because we need to UNwire that shit in her head that says “drama will get a man’s attention” and REwire it with “drama will make him go radio silent on me…but sending him sexy pics or showing up to dates or being fun and positive and cooking for him makes him give me more attention”. That’s why we reward her at times with stuff like “you know, I was really impressed when you cooked for me…I want to take you out to dinner this time” and she’s like “omg he NEVER takes girls out to dinner!!! Ok cooking for him is huge!!!”
This is why walawala responding to his ex, even angrily, was bad and why thrust trying to keep in touch with his ex instead of going radio silent is bad…those actions teach the girls “if you want my attention or for me to react, do crazy shit”. The girls aren’t necessarily always bad people, they’ve just been taught some really fucked up associations between their actions and getting attention. That’s why I say you CAN train a lot of them especially if they’re younger, cause I practice taming these type when I meet them (I don’t have a marriage or anything they can fuck up so I can play around a bit), but if a girl is still doing this stuff past 30, you have to consider “is this even worth my time and effort when there are other girls just as hot if not hotter who haven’t had this behavior wired into them as hard”
I agree 100% with HABD here:
“nah…this is just garden variety beta baiting…lol…(now if she suddenly is picked up by a big black dude who thinks your stupid bc she’s sooo hot…delete her number…lol…) she just hasn’t run through her rolodex yet…and she’ll start again at the beginning bc she HAD started to work you into her frame before…lol…and remember her age…she’s right at the wall and she’s really looking for that alpha (not beta…girls settle for betas when they can’t get alphas…) provider (that she feels that she deserves…and feminism has told her is there when she needs it…lol) she’s still trying to lock you into that frame.
remember this is happening at a subconscious level for her…just because you are starting to see these things doesn’t mean she can…lol…just try to enjoy the show and start making those predictions…lol…and congratulations on being able to start to see this stuff!…good work!”
A big part of why I’m not bothered by these girls and their drama is that I can see it and I can predict it so it doesn’t blindside me like it does for a lot of blue pill guys or guys who are new to the game or new to that type of behavior. I’m always a few steps ahead of these girls so for ME dealing with this really isn’t work or a big time sink or depleting my energy because I see a “babe I’m in trouble…” txt and instantly my brain is like “ok incoming drama, might have to Soft Next this one, keep an eye out for clusterB behavior” and I’m prepped for it so when she sends “there’s this guy at work who won’t leave me alone” I send “lol tell HR” and when she sends back “I can’t babe! I’m scare of–” at that point I just stop looking at my phone and go back to my work lol
One method to help with Soft Next’ing is (esp when I was starting out) I would change their number in my phone to silent ringtone with no vibration. So if they txted unless I was looking at my phone at that exact moment I wouldn’t know they were even txting me. Highly recommend it because a lot of times you see like 10 txts and because you didn’t respond you see her run thru her Rolodex or give up on her tactic lol
Like I have one girl (23yo) who will send:
“I miss you”
(1 hour later):
“YaReally??”
“Fine then I don’t miss you”
(10 min later):
“How come you ignore me all the time :(”
(5 min later):
“Whatever fuck you too then”
“You’re such an asshole YaReally”
“I’m deleting you. I don’t need ppl in my life who don’t care about me”
(1 day later):
“Omg YaReally look at this!! (funny meme picture)”
Lol she does that all the time. She’s learned that the way to get a guy’s attention is to stir up drama and fake being sad mad etc but I’m the only guy it doesn’t work on. Now she’s super in love with me (she’s not really she just likes the drama of pretending she is and she IS attracted to the fact that I never react to her).
Most guys would (rightly) be like “dude this bitch is crazy” but it all just makes me lol and it’s cute girly behavior to me. I’m the rock solid “oak tree” that’s immovable and unreactive and she’s the little “squirrel” skittering around my branches trying to get my attention. There’s a masculine/feminine energy balance to it.
Most guys would get sucked hard into her drama (and then she loses attraction for them and she forgets about her big scary problems she was so worried about, meanwhile the guy is super invested in them and asking “but what about that creepy guy at work?? Are you ok babe??” and she forgets she even said that shit lol).
But because I have her number on silent, by the time I see her txts often it looks like the above where she’s burned herself out and has already moved on and I’m just like “lol aw that was cute” because her little attention grab wore her out like a kid who threw a tantrum and is now fast asleep. There’s no frustration or emotional energy wasted even time wasted on my end to handle this. But it’s because I can see it coming and predict it and I follow the rules on handling it. That’s why I say it’s not really “work” when you’re good at it, the way it is when you first run into it.
On a side note: one benefit to taming this behavior out of girls is that you know they won’t fuck other dudes. Because who the fuck else could disarm that minefield? No normal man lol her Hypergamy demands she chases the highest value guy and that’s the guy who gets her “omg i think I’m being followed” txt and responds “probably, you have a killer ass. Your stalker has good taste lol” instead of going “omg do u want me to call the police?? I can come pick you up babe are u ok?? Pls respond”
Again these aren’t my preferred girls but these days a lot of women have been raised on shitty behavior like this because we live in a society that encourages women to act out and rewards them for it esp now that any drama they post gets 200 Likes/messages on Facebook etc. so like HABD says your girl can’t necessarily be diagnosed as a clusterB yet…what she’s doing so far is just standard garden-variety shit-testing which she thinks will work because you chomped at the carrots she dangled earlier rewarding her princess nonsense and taught her it will work.
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@yareally good analysis. Been on a plane this morning and just got it. Great t perspective on the bad behavior and cluster B. Thanks. She has texted me twice this morning hello and how is my day. I did not respond of course. Going to stay silent.
I looked for your long response on the previous thread and evidently it is still in mod. Lol maybe if you still have it you could post it here in smaller chunks. I always do my long replies on MS word and then post them so if they get stuck or lost I can edit or repost them.
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> “I went to the bar and there was not a lot going on. Monday night at happy hour. Hung out there for a couple of hours. Hardly any women to speak of.”
Serious question: Don’t you have anything better to do with your life than to hang out in a bar with no women for two hours?
Again, it’s not a trick question.
Every hour [hell, every minute] that you waste away in some damned shit bar in Margaritaville is an hour that you could have spent doing something constructive with your life.
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@reco Ignore this dude lol
You’re doing great. Srsly.
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It’s “great” to sit in a loser bar for two hours with no women doing what exactly?
Commiserating with all the other losers, like in “Cheers”?
Gaining two or three extra pounds in beer weight which will just take that much longer to shed in your Atkins diet?
Breathing in two hours’ worth of other losers’ second-hand cigarette smoke?
Losing two hours of sleep which could have made you that much sharper and more alert and better with the snappy negs when you met a really fine piece of ass the next morning during [what should have been] Day Game?
Soaking up loser attitude and loser dejectitude and loser hopelessness from your loser “friends”?
Hoping against hope that you might score with some bar whore carrying herpes and venereal warts?
Some filthy bar whore who hasn’t even showed up yet, and who is going to get pounced on by ten desperate losers the very moment she does walk through the door?
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@reco from a girl’s perspective this is the classic “war of wills”. It’s a form of ASD. She’s thinking “do I really want to keep seeing/have sex with this guy? He won’t even make the minimal investment of picking me up, he doesn’t care that my kid was sick, bla bla.” She’s starting to think of it as a self-respect issue. That’s why she keeps testing you, imo.
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@reco
One other small technique regarding your flakes or girls who don’t respond.
When I’m gaming a girl and she’s hot then starts to back off, I wait a few days and text a “ping”…a feeler text, non-needy that lets her know something.
A few recent ones:
“leaving for xxx tmw.” that should elicit a “safe trip”.
I now never ask “Hey what’s up?” or :”How’s your day?”…I’ve found that too needy and beta. These ping texts are just factual or funny but sharing something without asking anything. It gives me plausible deniability IF in fact she is blowing me off that she can’t say “he’s chasing me….”
Here’s one I sent to a girl today:
“at airport, I think the guy across from me in the lounge is a spy”.
If that doesn’t elicit any type of response, I move on.
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Better question, how does that comeback qualify as an asshole thing to do? She gave you a remark, you shot one back. Nothing asshole about it–what guy wouldn’t, unless he was dead tired or maybe his mind on other things?
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if you read some of the wilting flowers in these comments, you’d think what i said was the equivalent of drawing and quartering.
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nothing asshole about it is right. she was being a bitch whether you were in a bad mood or not.
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No. No and no. Just a dick move not alpha as some faggots on here have claimed. Is kicking a wounded dog alpha? She was innocently flirting and CH didn’t know the difference or way overreacted like a blac…..nevermind.
Get your shit together CH. 3 good posts then 1 bad is not good enough. This is a free throw. You should be at 90%
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The Trolllzz are fagging!
is it all you closet straight fat dykes here who are trying to reframe rude cunts as playfuk crotches?
trollollolllzzzollzzz suck an asshole dumbass
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i didn’t know that an unsolicited insult from a stranger was evidence of being a wounded dog.
ps she wasn’t “innocently flirting”. if she had been innocently flirting, i would have easily picked up on that and responded accordingly. she was being a sarcastic bitch for the amusement of her friend.
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I don’t understand the homos with names like Lulz and other faggotty type names so I will not respond to their idiocy. Mainly because I’m over 8 years of age.
CH- I doubt a fat girl takes a pot shot at what I assume to be a handsome no nonsense guy. So you either have terrible instincts, are making up the entire episode or was a spaz. Which is it?
Danindc
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how long have you lived in your mom’s basement? are you translucent yet?
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Danindc, being fat is no excuse for confusing insults with flirting. “Clown socks” is a straight up insult. If she giggled with her friend, looked at him with a half rueful smile and said, “sorry, we’ve just never seen socks like that! But they’re cool” etc, well, that’s different. I’m sure he wouldn’t have slammed her back.
[CH: i have to be careful about revealing too many identifying deets in these kinds of posts, so I tend to short shrift newer readers who may not be familiar with the usual CH subtext. one such subtext is that when i toss a hand grenade at a girl, like the one in this post, it’s not thrown in a hail of angry spittle. the tone is more light-heartedly sardonic. amused mastery, some would call it.]
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Takes one to know one daaaarling! come and sucka ma cockaazzzzz plzzzzz xD
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acting bitchy is not an acceptable method of flirting no matter how you frame it. if he hadn’t reacted the way he did, he would have been showing acceptance of her disgusting behavior. no way. he reacted exactly as he should have.
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what are you worried about, Dan in DC? CH kicked her to the curb when she “flirted”. That means there’s one more fatty for ==you== !!
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Classic. Well done.
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Not only did “the cute friend” get a little wet, but so did the “chubster” …lol
Please tell me there was more?
Nothing like “the shiv” on a train where no one can escape.
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on May 19, 2014 at 10:46 pmCH
how long have you lived in your mom’s basement? are you translucent yet?
Mom’s basement?? I would say “the 90s called and wants their cut down back” but that would be stooping to your level.
This really is an off night for you. Realize your mistake and do better tmrw.
[CH: allow me to explain the Obligatory Shiv to you. A person would have to be a shut-in to go his whole adult life without ever having experienced a snide remark from an obstreperous stranger. get outside and mingle with the public. you might learn something.]
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“A person would have to be a shut-in to go his whole adult life without ever having experienced a snide remark from an obstreperous stranger”
Some of us do live in the South, you know.
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Same in the Midwest, where people are usually courteous.
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How is the bitch ranking in the U Ass of A? We know that the eastern seaboard has the worst bitches (for some reasons). West must also suck because pacific northwest. (though I hear they’re more laid back in SoCal)
Is the South really that courteous with all those blacks? I mean most blacks complain about their rude women.
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“Is the South really that courteous with all those blacks?”
Southern whites are polite. Southern blacks over a certain age still know who’s boss.
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This exchange reminds of a lyric from the great, forgotten pop-punk band of the 2000’s, Feable Weiner. They had a song called “Lameface” and the lyric went:
“She said the song is lame/I said so is your face.” Great stuff.
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I have a question regarding @just saying’s post in a post the other day.
He mentioned how when you reveal to your girl another younger hotter girl as competition then you will enjoy great results. This is definitely true. But, I have one question about it.
What if the guys you’re competing with have more access to hot girls. I’m not saying that I CANt technically get hot girls or haven’t got with hot girls. I’m saying the my girls girlfriends all would like to be with me…but they are in college and I have a small chance of meeting them all let alone game them.
So these girls are exposed to guys (the other competition) who have a ton of girls attention especially the alphas ones.
How do you compete with those guys even though you might technically have higher status, but they are just able to prove it easier b/c frequent parties with lots of girls there
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I’m interested in this too considering college girls are the most fun so I plan on sticking to them for the foreseeable future despite not being in university anymore.
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This has to be fake.
In 20 years if using public transport I have never been insulted by a stranger.
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yeah, do girls even neg men they don’t know?
Must be a white thang?
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Definitely a stupid bitch thang.
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Do you really want a hot girl who thinks cruelty is cute?
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Whether you want it or not, you’re going to get one. She won’t tell you about it, but it will still be there, inside of her.
Welcome to Life 101, Dilemma.
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We all have the capacity for cruelty, like we all have the capacity to kill someone. It’s about our individual consciences and what they will allow.
I think the question is, do you really want a hot girl who thinks mocking people (for no reason) is funny? Because not all people would think it was funny. So you have a choice.
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@ The Burninator
You may get one but you don’t have to keep her. Why do you guys think we have to accept cruel, sarcastic women as a fact of life? You don’t. Women like that will kill your soul.
As soon as a chick starts teasing you in public and using sarcasm as her primary method of bonding, you next her.
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I don’t know if this actually happened to CH, but it COULD happen. If you read some of the OLD guru posts when they were pea-cocking, you’ll notice that they were doing that to incite shit-tests from girls right from the opener.
Girl would come up and say “Are you gay?” and stuff like that bc they were dressed so outlandish. Technically if you were some funky socks, people are gonna comment. And if this was some immature young fattie, I could see her having the brass to say this.
Fatties are generally outspoken and couldn’t care less about their “value” or what people think bc they are already at the bottom of the food chain.
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Hey CH, curious, what kind of socks would prompt that type of reaction? Not really certain what ‘clown socks’ are, or socks that could make a random stranger say it. Like multi-colored stripes or something? Serious question. I wear boots 100% of the time except at the gym so socks really have never figured into my wardrobe choices.
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s.a.m.d. s.a.m.d. s.a.m.d.
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Maybe that’s why I can never be an alpha. I really don’t have a desire to be mean to and hurt others; especially those who are clearly weaker.
That fat girled could be seriously scarred and remember that insult for her whole life; especially since she was coming from a place of good nature/taking a chance on flirting.
On the other hand, maybe it will motivate her to lose weight.
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I don’t have a desire to be mean or hurt others, either. The key here is that she WASN’T coming from a place of good nature/flirting. She was mocking him. Girls will do this to guys out of their league because they think it inflates their smv.
And he didn’t insult her weight, he insulted her face.
[CH: weirdly, to girls, an obviously over the top face insult is nowhere near as belittling as a weight insult would be.]
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If you read down in the comments CH mentions that she was doing it with snarky malice, not as a cutesy flirt.
If fat girls don’t want to be “seriously scarred” (seriously dude? From a random comment from a stranger?) then fat girls should go around trying to insult people in public.
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Failing a random fatties’ unprovoked shit-test. Now that would be pathetic.
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Sweet move. How would you respond if you think about the remark of the chubby as a shit test?
Today in the newspaper a recap of an interview that ran on TV.
TV host: Mr. Hayek, I think you’re the only person who is allowed to smoke on TV.
Nick Hayek: Too bad. Let’s hope that this will become a trend.
Nick Hayek: I’m considerate. If you tell me that you’re not feeling well and that you don’t want me to smoke, I won’t smoke obviously. I’m an independent smoker but if you don’t object…”
TV host: No problem. I get through.
This dude is a charming CEO. No pansy. Power battles is his bread and butter.
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Thwacko
Any comment on your homeboy, three-shots Jace?
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Im sad for the children. My suspicion is she SAID something to him that sent him over the top:
This is a major difference between men and women responsible for our rationality and ability to engage in constructive activity with other men.
We have known since the age of 5 that our WORDS can get us punched.
Women?
Not so much
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Blame the dead bitch, who stood by this subhuman for 9 yrs.
Oh, well, why am I still surprised. I really should not expect more from you.
Negro cannot balance a checkbook and when push comes to shove takes the easy way out. At least he didn’t whack the kiddos I guess..
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neGro Haila
At least he didn’t whack the kiddos I guess
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Come on now….
he may be a horrible person, but its not like he’s a white man or something…
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@YaReally: Your two lines are money:
“probably, you have a killer ass. Your stalker has good taste lol”
“lol tell HR”
And as you always say, that first one blasts her shit test AND steers the convo into sex.
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