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The Problem With Sex Surveys

May 19, 2014 by CH

Sex survey accuracy is suspect because of “social expectation bias“, which influences sex survey participants to respond in the way they think is socially acceptable. Sex surveys are back in the news because word is getting out to the masses that recent survey data shows younger generations are having less sex, something that strikes people as odd given the current Western cultural climate of utter depravity.

But besides social expectation bias (and the verified observation that women tend to lie more than men on sex surveys), there is something else at play that corrupts social survey findings: The ambiguity of the terms being used on the surveys and in synopses of results.

For instance, what exactly does it mean to “have less sex”? Yes, it means numerically to have less frequent sex (say as measured on a per month basis), but the assumption then is that this means fewer partners. It doesn’t. It is possible, (in fact, as CH will argue, probable), that less sex means more partners.

Compare a 1950s 25-year-old woman to a 2014 25-year-old woman. If sex survey results are to be believed without qualification, that 1950s woman was sluttier; she had sex 6 times per month compared to the 4 times per month the 2014 woman is having. The unthinking reader may exclaim, “holy crap those 1950s housewives sure got around!”

Ah, but that’s where a little knowledge of the sexual market can help your powers of induction. A married, faithful 1950s housewife who deeply loved and admired her bring-home-the-bacon husband would welcome sex six times per month. She would be ravenous in the sack. A sexually voracious woman is not a slut unless she spreads her sexual voracity among many men.

Now fast forward to our 2014 Götterdämmerung sexual market. Our 25-year-old woman is not married, and she is not dependent on any man for her discretionary cash needs. She dates a lot, but needs at least three dates before having sex with a man. She had one long-term relationship in high school, but since then it’s been all short-term post-collegiate flings. She meets a new man she’d like to bang about once every four months, which means she endures long dry spells between dates. She has a lot of sex with a man after he’s stuck around for longer than three dates, but her dry spells mean that her average sex frequency is only four times per month. Her relationships usually top out at six months now, so although she has less sex than her 1950s counterpart, she is far sluttier, having amassed a lifetime partner count in the double digits.

The lesson of this post is that the only reliable way you’ll get accurate data on how many different dicks the typical American woman invites into her chamber of intercourse is by insect-sized drone spying on her and recording every moment of penetration. Otherwise, it’s just her word on a piece of paper, and that plus a buck will get you a buck.

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  1. on May 19, 2014 at 2:27 pm Zombie Shane

    > “A married, faithful 1950s housewife who deeply loved and admired her bring-home-the-bacon husband would welcome sex six times per month. She would be ravenous in the sack. A sexually voracious woman is not a slut unless she spreads her sexual voracity among many men.”

    And you guys wonder why I keep telling you to seal the deal by putting some buns in her oven…

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm cryo

      Except these days that’s hardly “sealing the deal”…more like sealing your fate.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 5:09 pm Zombie Shane

        It’s the fate which you choose and make for yourself.

        Let the Frankfurt School convince your womynz to eBernankify themselves in student loan debt and then ride the butthexualization carousel until they are barren old childless spinsters living all alone with their cats.

        Or Game Up, seize an outstanding young lady as your own, and have her spend 15 to 20 years of her very best fertility in pushing out your progeny.

        And the next 15 to 20 years after that in nurturing them and raising them and home-schooling them and teaching them the classics of Western Civilization.

        Your fate. Your choice. You decide.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 6:47 pm Modern Primitive

      You’re really fucking annoying you know that? You’re like some fucken galah that has learnt only one phrase and then repeats it endlessly in the hope of getting treats.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 pm Backdoor Man

        He and a handful of others have been leaving their diarrhea in the comments section for some time. I read CH’s posts and YaReally’s comments, but the rest of it is junk, thanks to ‘tards like Zombie Shane. Even his handle is moronic.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 7:58 pm Reservoir Tip

        Living for anything other than boinking is such a waste, right?

        Degenerate.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:11 pm The Spirit Within

        I’d bet my paycheck that Zombie Shane is shooting blanks.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 9:05 pm ( @ Y @ )

        Shut the fuck up you mewling dingbat. Personally I’d rather a hundred ZS’s over one of you. I’d bet dollars to donuts I’m not the only one either.

        Btw dickhead, when your comments have the leftist within getting all excited and nodding in retard agreement you kind of fucked up. She’s like the canary in coal mine for retardation.

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  2. on May 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm Grim

    Yep. These facts are simply obvious and can be “derived” by any person with an average IQ just by observing the world.

    In the 1950s, our 25-year-old average woman:

    1. was thin and did her best to be pretty and pleasing to her man

    2. was married to her first partner, who courted her starting in high school or at age 19 or so (her only prior sexual experience prior to her husband might have been fooling around in the back of a car or under the bleachers at the high school football game)

    3. had lots of sex with her one and only husband.

    In today’s world, almost everyone, even hot women, most men, and even all but the TOP YaReally players, endures dry spells that are longer than happily married couples had from the age of 20-35 back in the 1950s and even 1960s and 70s (for those who were married).

    The beta strategy of settling for more overall sex (with one woman) is actually a sound strategy, if the woman will cooperate…… but it’s risking divorce theft after 5 to 7 years in today’s world where the divorce fantasy is whispered into her ear by her friends and shouted at her with a megaphone by MSM TV and media.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 3:00 pm Zombie Shane

      > “but it’s risking divorce theft after 5 to 7 years in today’s world”

      Which is the one legitimate, honorable, and noble use of Game: To hold your Alpha frame and keep your family together in the face of the tsunami of cultural poisoning with which The Frankfurt School is inundating you.

      Drowning you in cultural poisoning.

      Using every venomous tactic at their disposal to eradicate you.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 10:23 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        The real question though is why bother having a family if you’re the only one putting the work in to keep it together. If I’m to be great at game to keep a marriage in which I do most of the work together, why not use game to sleep around until later in life? There’s nothing special about committing yourself to some woman, especially if you’re to do the heavy lifting in the relationship.

        The best bet right now is to do the Scandinavian thing and getting a woman pregnant, never marrying her and raising the kid with her because it’s convenient. Child support only costs less than going through divorce and all that and you can choose the country you live in based on their child support laws, but if you have to help raise a kid with a woman you were never married to, the issue most likely won’t end in family court.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 4:54 pm Scray

      ‘ had lots of sex with her one and only husband.’

      I don’t understand why you think this is a given. Just because society pressured women into marrying, by and large, betas != women were ever happy or content with betas.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:13 pm The Spirit Within

        Exactly. Wives were just as difficult to bed in the 1950s as they are today. They just stayed in unhappy marriages longer.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 4:48 am Canadian Friend

        And now as more and more study reveal, women are unhappy both in their marriage and in their career, and unhappy after a divorce, an unhappy as mothers with careers, in fact unhappy almost in every way compared to women in the 1950s

        ahhh feminism……. that was such a great idea!

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:41 pm cryo

        Don’t you think it’s a safe assumption that men were generally less beta then? The culture was different, feminism hadn’t yet malformed the masculine and men were expected to possess certain traits that are downright shunned in today’s world.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:47 pm alexandrahamilton87

        Betas aren’t omegas. Betas aren’t the cringing lefty wimps that now populate the streets, they used to be the average guy who respected himself and didn’t jump every time feminist wifey cracked the whip. The average woman could respect the average man, back in the day.

        I’m dating one myself. He’s no Cassanova, and he doesn’t own a motorcycle, but he IS a man not a manboob, and he doesn’t ask how high when I ask him to jump. He hates feminism. I’m very thankful for him.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 9:12 pm cryo

        “I’m dating one myself. He’s no Cassanova, and he doesn’t own a motorcycle, but he IS a man not a manboob, and he doesn’t ask how high when I ask him to jump. He hates feminism. I’m very thankful for him.”

        What compels you to classify him as a beta? Just curious.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 9:23 pm alexandrahamilton87

        He doesn’t have much game, and doesn’t have a string of hot exes. I don’t think he would do well in a bar meat market, since he’s a history nerd and has a hard time talking to strangers. He’s just solid and doesn’t feel he has to chase women begging for attention. He’s expressed disgust to me on a couple occasions for men who buy slutty women drinks and basically beg for their attention. He also daid he wouldn’t date a woman with more than a few sexual partners. I think he would’ve been an average man in the 50’s. Now, maybe a lesser alpha.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 9:49 am Scray

        ‘Don’t you think it’s a safe assumption that men were generally less beta then?’

        Okay, and women were more feminine. If everyone generally was ‘more alpha,’ what would the difference be? You’d still have same % of betas relative to the alphas of the time.

        If this day and age were so unique, all of the stuff we’re talking about would fail to appear in countless books and works of art throughout history.

        ‘and didn’t jump every time feminist wifey cracked the whip….The average woman could respect the average man, back in the day.’

        Not buying it. Makes more sense that there have just always been a ton of betas and that 99% of men (people, really) are uninterested in self-improvement. To assume anything else assumes people have just radically changed in an extremely short period of time.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 10:09 am cryo

        “Not buying it. Makes more sense that there have just always been a ton of betas and that 99% of men (people, really) are uninterested in self-improvement. To assume anything else assumes people have just radically changed in an extremely short period of time.”

        Well, to be honest there are compelling arguments for both cases. But fuck it, we live in the now and have to play the hand we’ve been dealt.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 12:19 pm Scray

        ‘But fuck it, we live in the now and have to play the hand we’ve been dealt.’

        Ya that’s true, but it gave me a great confidence boost when I started thinking of these dynamics as just…the human condition vis a vis men/women…versus this ‘new’ thing that developed.

        Like the guy says, “Whatcha got ain’t nothin new. This country’s hard on people, you can’t stop what’s coming, it ain’t all waiting on you. That’s vanity.”

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      • on May 21, 2014 at 5:48 am Grim

        Kid, just because you can memorize and repeat platitudes from your PUA seminars doesn’t mean you know anything. I am one of those rare people who grew up with parents (Boomers) who are still married and grandparents (“the Greatest Generation”) who were married until my grandfather died in his old age with my grandmother by his side.

        As I have commented here many times, let me explain it to you: what is considered “beta” by many in the “manosphere” was honorable and manly–and appreciated by women–in the WWII generation: having a steady income, opening doors, bringing flowers, courting, getting married at a young age and certainly no older than 24 (man) or 22 (woman). Yes, these men automatically got to be more “alpha” because women were forced to respect men. For example, my grandfather never cooked or washed a dish in his life. He sat there and was served by my grandmother. He yelled at her to correct her when she misbehaved (acted like an emotional woman). He probably slapped her around a bit (I didn’t see that). He provided for them a nice, normal house. She did not expect much in the way of vacationing or traveling, especially internationally. He was “strong and silent.” He never cheated on her, I’m pretty sure. They were madly in love when they got married at age 19 and 22 respectively. They stayed marred for 61 years until he died of cancer at age 83. I GUARANTEE you that (1) they had tons of sex between age 19 and 35 and (2) it was a love making your pathetic soul cannot imagine, as it was loving, inside a marriage, their first, there was no porn everywhere to distract him. I can only imagine how good those orgasms must have felt.

        Fast forward to the boomers, my parents. My dad would be super beta today; would not even get a date. But he and my mom are high school sweethearts and again, my dad was the type who was appreciated and respected by a woman. Good job, good father, provided for us, got his ass up at 5 AM every day and out the door by 6:30 to work his ass off to pay taxes for welfare for the 9 black kids without fathers or parents with jobs. Then of course because I’m white, when it came time for college for my sister and me, my dad had to pay or we had to get scholarships that were entirely merit based. So we went to state schools despite being 97th percentile in everything.

        Your fuzzy hat alpha defiling (“smashing”) random women and then complaining when they want to be your GF is nothing less than pathetic.

        Today if a man acts like my grandfather did, he’s considered beta, actively insulted by women, called “controlling” or “domineering,” etc. In two generations, thanks to YKW takeover and feminism starting in the late 60s, this country has been lost.

        Even YaReally, who I appreciate for his good attitude, said something that is fundamentally wrong a while back to me. I posted about how this young pretty girl blew me off and he was like “what do you offer her? she’s in her prime,” but he was thinking only of the muh dick get laid strategy. Actually, I’m beta enough that what I offer her is MARRIAGE if only she’d be nice to me. Then she’d get early retirement like my ex wife did: 2 great smart kids and $50,000 a year for life or at least for 18 years.

        You guys offer seduction. I’m just as good in bed, by the way, it’s just that less women find that out. And inside a marriage, making love is so great that you fuzzy hats can’t even comprehend it.

        Then, because of feminism, it all ends in 5 to 7 years, but that’s the price of admission if you want to turn your parents into grandparents, and there is nothing better in life than seeing your dad be a happy grandpa. Well I’ll tell you what’s tied with that: seeing your 8 year old daughter who you created, she came from your balls, and then nurtured for 8 years, watching her dance at the major city ballet company in your city, on her way to becoming a professional ballerina. And while that happens, you can watch your ex wife crying tears of joy seeing her daughter, and realize that your daughter was created in love, and you’re seeing that because you the ex husband bought your ex wife and her mother tix to see the ballet with extra money even though she fucked your life in many ways, because she’s the mother of your kids and they love her and she loves them.

        Ladies, ballerinas are perfection in women. All women should continue their ballet into adulthood–it used to be part of finishing school–and strive to be ballerinas as opposed to going to college to learn to work in HR.

        Grim’s way = #epicwinning, dudebro.

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      • on May 21, 2014 at 8:30 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Because she had to, that’s why they had sex with their husbands. It’s also the fact that having power over another person in the form of bringing home the bacon would make a beta seem more masculine too even if he acquiesces to his wife at times.

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      • on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 pm YaReally

        @Grim
        “I posted about how this young pretty girl blew me off and he was like “what do you offer her? she’s in her prime,” but he was thinking only of the muh dick get laid strategy. Actually, I’m beta enough that what I offer her is MARRIAGE if only she’d be nice to me.”

        What you’re saying is the equivalent of a fat chick saying “why doesn’t Brad Pitt want to fuck me?? Sure I’m fat and disgusting but I’m offering SEX. God, if only he’d be attracted to me he could get laid!”

        You don’t want sex from a fat chick, cause you can get sex from better. She doesn’t want your beta bucks because she can get that from better.

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      • on May 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm Scray

        @Grim

        lol I’m on your side man. So is Ya, IG, and all the other guys on here.

        ‘repeat platitudes from your PUA seminars doesn’t mean you know anything.’

        I’ve never actually been to one. All my learning has come from free online stuff, RSD videos, and Ya’s generous breakdowns of my early FR’s…oh and a lot of field experience. That line was from No Country For Old Men.

        ‘having a steady income, opening doors, bringing flowers, courting, getting married at a young age and certainly no older than 24 (man) or 22 (woman).’

        I’m not disagreeing with you. If YOU think those things are honorable and good, then that’s great. We aren’t saying that you HAVE TO bang chicks within an hour, or that you HAVE TO make them pay, or whatever. If anything, we’re saying that whatever personal vision you have of the world can be how your world operates.

        By all means, court women and provide for them. All we’re saying is to do it from a place of strength, rather than ‘If I don’t she’ll leave me,’ weakness.

        ‘it was a love making your pathetic soul cannot imagine, as it was loving, inside a marriage, their first, there was no porn everywhere to distract him. I can only imagine how good those orgasms must have felt.’

        Lol that’s kind of presumptuous. Why are you pedestalizing it so much? What the fact that there’s a piece of paper with ‘married’ on it somehow makes the sex way better or different? Doubt it. I’ve never been married, so if I ever get married and you turn out to be right, I owe you a coke. The general point here is that I have no assumptions, I just go by life experience.

        I agree with you about porn. I haven’t watched porn in a long time. Way more fun to live out your porn fantasies.

        ‘Your fuzzy hat alpha defiling (“smashing”) random women and then complaining when they want to be your GF is nothing less than pathetic.’

        I’m complaining because of my deficiencies as a person and how they’re causing me to miss out and lose some great girls. It’s pathetic, sure…but what’s wrong with that? I’m just a human being with faults and room for improvement. I accept that and acknowledge where my current limitations are.

        It’d be like me coming at you because of how you’re divorced and/or older and have a tough time with certain women. I could say ‘yeah how pathetic.’ But why? It takes balls to post what you post here, Grim, and I don’t want to do anything but help you on your journey in whatever way I can — even if to provide you with an example of what you don’t want to be lol.

        ‘I posted about how this young pretty girl blew me off and he was like “what do you offer her? she’s in her prime,”’

        But he’s right? What’s fundamentally wrong about what he said? I deal with young girls all the time. Shit, man….hot chicks can still be in that mode until they’re like 26-27 sometimes (depends on genes really, some girls peak a little later, some peak earlier, etc.). I understand that it can be annoying, but wrong?

        The ‘muh dik’ get laid strategy lays the groundwork for everything else. You need to establish that value and attraction. It’s just how it works. No one is saying that, after that point, you can’t wife her up and give her babies though.

        ‘there is nothing better in life than seeing your dad be a happy grandpa. Well I’ll tell you what’s tied with that: seeing your 8 year old daughter who you created, she came from your balls, and then nurtured for 8 years, watching her dance at the major city ballet company in your city, on her way to becoming a professional ballerina’

        Yeah, I bet all of that is true. No one is arguing against those joys or whatever. Shit, all we’re trying to do is to help you create the life you want — that stable family life with the kids and whatnot.

        I’m not your enemy.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm Grim

        “even though I’m only 22…..”

        perfect example of what I’m saying about the attitude of AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF WOMEN

        http://elitedaily.com/dating/a-message-to-all-the-single-ladies-theres-nothing-wrong-with-you/

        what I’m saying is the average 22 year old would have been married or seriously looking for marriage 2 generations ago.

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    • on May 20, 2014 at 2:19 pm sfer

      Time magazine 1950:

      “Some doctors suspect that about three out of every four U.S. women are frigid, i.e., get no sexual satisfaction. In the current Journal of the American Medical Association, Gynecologist William S. Kroger of Chicago and Endocrinologist S. Charles Freed of San Francisco chide U.S. gynecologists for not paying more attention to the problem.”

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 6:01 pm Canadian Friend

        About 10 or 15 years ago a survey done for the Oprah show said that about two thirds of women eventually lose interest in sex after a few years of being married…

        Women are so damn complicated…

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  3. on May 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm Canadian Friend

    I remember in the 1990s in Men’s health magazine an article explained how in one study they knew women were lying about their sex life.

    The receptionist was an hired actress who managed to have the woman confide in her…the results; most women when asked how many sexual partners they had had gave a lower number to the doctor and a higher number ( the accurate one) to the friendly receptionist…

    If I remember correctly the doctor was a male.

    So yes women do lie about those things, especially to men.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 3:21 pm JCclimber

      There was also an excellent study that surveyed women and then surveyed them again but this time connected to what they were told was a lie detector machine. The “N” number went up significantly in the second survey, even though they had no proof the lie detector worked and despite the hamster working overtime to revise all sexual encounters to other categories.

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  4. on May 19, 2014 at 2:46 pm SC

    Are you sure that today’s 25 year old woman is not dependent on any men for discretionary cash? Among the lower class women, they depend on the government welfare. Among lower middle class and middle middle class women, many indeed depend on themselves. Among upper middle class and upper class women, they depend on their fathers and extended family. The typical upper middle class med school student is definitely depending on daddy’s money. The typical upper class socialite is not only depending on daddy, she may depend on her extended family members, maybe a rich grandparent or uncle.

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  5. on May 19, 2014 at 2:53 pm The Problem With Sex Surveys | Manosphere.com

    […] The Problem With Sex Surveys […]

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  6. on May 19, 2014 at 2:57 pm unbanmlad

    Mlad was a good poster.

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  7. on May 19, 2014 at 3:14 pm Flip

    Triple digits, I’d say.

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  8. on May 19, 2014 at 3:29 pm davidsnesgamer

    Although the survey numbers can indeed be spun as endlessly as a feminist’s hamster as she sniffs in the testosterone-drenched pheromones at an MMA training gym, the “sexual liberation paradox” has been an observed phenomenon for decades.

    In a nutshell: As America devolved culturally into some bizarre pairing of hypersexed Africa (no monogamy, no shaming for sexual recklessness) and perverted gay communities (fetishes, costumes, etc.)….this is all just in people’s posing. In their behavior, people have indeed been fucking less and less for decades.

    Moreover, self-proclaimed “traditional” people have (a) more sex, and (b) more satisfying sex than the self-proclaimed “liberated” women.

    Wait a second! ….Can anybody even FATHOM how much sexual frequency for Whitey has plummeted? These surveys never control for race. It might well not control for homosexuality either. So, if you removed fags and reggies from the survey, white people are now as sexless as Tibetan monks, but they’re all posing as “liberated” sex gods and goddesses. In other words….white liberals are all living a lie.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 3:40 pm davidsnesgamer

      In the light science-fiction novel ‘Children of Men’, a future civilization has suddenly become infertile. In effect, every man has had a vasectomy, every woman a hysterectomy.

      According to feminists and liberals, such a civilization would become a glorious paradise of endless sex. But the author, Englishwoman P.D. James, envisions this sterile paradise far differently:

      “One might have imagined that with the fear of pregnancy permanently removed, and the unerotic paraphernalia of pills, rubber and ovulation arithmetic no longer necessary, sex would be freed for new and imaginative delights. The opposite has happened. Even those men and women who would normally have no wish to breed apparently need the assurance that they could have a child if they wished. Sex totally divorced from procreation has become almost meaninglessly acrobatic.”

      She posits that as fertility plummets, so does sex drive. I believe this 100% corresponds to the real world. As all forms of birth control destroy your hormones and, eventually, sex drives. Vasectomies are habitually linked to low T levels, The Pill has so many deleteriouos side effects I won’t even bother citing them, and as shown by the survey….as Whitey stops making babies, her womb dries up into an arid wasteland, and his cock softens into a slimy worm.

      Of course, sperm counts and T levels have been plummeting, women are reaching menopause at ever-younger ages, and the nightmare of modern diet and culture continues to destroy whitey, in a raw evolutionary sense.

      http://rt.com/usa/us-white-births-census-613/

      The dwindling number of white people need to consciously decide to (a) get healthy (paleo diet), (b) have children, (c) raise their children to be race-conscious and productive. I believe that just by making that choice, that sex drives will begin to return to healthy levels.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:16 pm The Spirit Within

        For the thousandth time: though the number of white people in the world is decreasing relative to other races, it’s RISING in terms of real numbers.

        Chill the fuck out.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:55 pm Canadian Friend

        ” … For the thousandth time: though the number of white people in the world is decreasing relative to other races, it’s RISING in terms of real numbers.

        Chill the fuck out…. ”

        In other words the number of people who turn into shit holes every place where they immigrate ( the less white Detroit became, the more a shit hole it became ) and who can not support themselves ( think of all the millions of starving people in Africa or Louisiana for that matter ) is increasing at a much faster rate than the number of people who built Western Civilization and who give BILLIONS of dollars in aid to the former group.

        There will be a little more more of us whites in 50 years but there will also be 20 times more of those who – while we provide them with welfare – are raping our women, robbing us, beating us up and murdering us.

        Our ability to provide them with welfare, free education and free healthcare will fade away fast because we – who work and pay taxes – will be a smaller and smaller percentage of the total population and they who are on welfare and commit about 80% of crimes will be a larger and larger percentage of the total population.

        Wow! we whites feel so much better now!

        I feel so fuck’n chill now.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 10:34 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        David, it’s normal for women to reach menopause earlier because they’re reaching puberty earlier too and a woman doesn’t produce eggs, she’s born with all of them(by all intents and purposes, I know there’s some research that claims otherwise, but it’s immaterial because we can act as if they’re born with all of them). Secondly, she’s having less children and each pregnancy saves some eggs.

        @The Spirit Within: what matters is the number of white people under the age of 40 and no, that number isn’t rising neither in relative nor absolute terms. It’s questionable if the number of white people overall is increasing, unless you count considering more and more previously non-white people as white to be the same as white women having kids.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 4:14 pm JCclimber

      funny, I was touring an open house for rent by the current occupant. She was a narcissistic YKW bitch, (our landlord is very relieved to have us replace her), a little post-wall.

      In her office was a white board “to do” list that I read while walking through, and around number 3 or 4 on the list was “get laid”. Came back through about 15 minutes later and she’d covered the list up with a sheet of paper.

      Still crack up that her months old to do list still hadn’t had that one checked off. No one whom she was interested in screwing was touching that aging a$$ with a 10″ pole. At the time I was befuddled that any chick could go months without getting laid. Pre-red pill.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm davidsnesgamer

        Yeah, and a baby was just born with two faces. Anomalies.

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  9. on May 19, 2014 at 4:20 pm English Dude

    Heh from what dimension is this based. 2014 girls get sex at a simple phone call or facebook comment / instagram pic or whatever the hell else they want to use and put 0 effort in.

    They have guys driving for hours right to their door just because they feel horny at that moment. I’ve been asked in the past and told them to fuck off if they couldn’t be arsed to come out and meet me. For the first meet at least, wouldn’t mind afterwards. I don’t let myself be ordered like a pizza, but fuckloads of other (especially sex starved) blokes will.

    Think about it, before the internet, girls had to rely on building social circles, or get up and go out and find a dude to bang. Now they can just lay on their bed, press a button on their phone, and boom, hundreds of guys ready to give her an ego, or clit stroke. Online girls get HUNDREDS of messages without even a picture heh.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 5:02 pm cynthia

      Messages =/= actual sex.

      Where is this magic Internet button that delivers a horny man to my front door?

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 5:11 pm Zombie Shane

        At a very bare minimum we’ll need some tit pics and an email address.

        Also, don’t post vulva pics unless it’s shaved.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm English Dude

        Go on any site with location based search, make profile, sit back, watch the messages flood in, take your pick.

        Or any of those apps or whatever. Might be handy that it doesn’t take that long to drive across England, so lasses can easily get blokes from other cities.

        Like I said I’ve been asked before at like 1am and told them to fuck off. And that’s when they’re being lazy! Otherwise they’re signing up to “swinging” sites to “work out some kinks”. (I checked one after a lass said she was on there, and saw so many faces I’ve seen around town, some who I thought were a lot more innocent..). Actual reviews on their pages from 40+ year old blokes who have fucked them, the lot.

        Put me off pretty bad. I thought that sorta stuff was reserved for older couples of prositutes, but this is with 20 year old girls..

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 5:56 pm CH

        is that what you really want?

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:09 pm Amy

        Tinder

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm Flip

        You could get a guy off Craigslist quite easily.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 6:32 pm Steve Johnson

        cynthia

        “Where is this magic Internet button that delivers a horny man to my front door?”

        CH

        “is that what you really want?”

        Does a woman who says she wants a guy to do nice things for her mean it?

        Of course she does.

        She wants to push a button and have a man she’s already attracted to appear and fuck her.

        Unfortunately she’s invisible to guy she’s attracted to and guys she’s not attracted to are invisible to her.

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  10. on May 19, 2014 at 4:47 pm maldek

    6 times a month is about 72 times per year or 1.38 times per week.

    4 times a month is about 48 times per year or 0.92 times per week…less than once per week.

    THAT
    IS
    HORRIBLE

    I would consider 3 to 5 times a week NORMAL in any healthy relationship. Thats true even if you have been married for 20 years.

    When I talked to a 44 year old woman last week about blackdragons-dating- system of seeing his women only once a week (for sex) she looked at me and said: “Once a week is not enough for the women, this cant work. After a while they will get tired of their vibrators and go find a man who can do more than only once a week”.

    God damn – no wonder the US is the fattiest place on earth. All those missed orgasms have been replaced by foodgasms.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 6:39 pm CH

      as any man with a normally functioning libido who has dated truly beautiful girls with indefatigable bodies will tell you, sex 3 to 5 times a DAY is not out of the question. and the hotter the girl the longer that intensity and frequency of sex will last. an HB9 can keep a man in this state of sexual intensity for a year or more. dopamine receptor status: FRIED.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 8:22 pm The Spirit Within

        Truth. I’ve been there.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 10:39 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        This. Otoh, having sex more than once a day isn’t that out of the ordinary if the girl you’re seeing is young and pretty. Young girls are far more fun in bed because they seem to be more interested in sex for sex itself and their relative inexperience and desire to try new things makes stuff fun.

        I never understood men who like experienced women. If you plan on seeing a woman again, just coach her to do what you like in bed. Her experience would get in the way of your training. Yet another advantage women who don’t sleep around have.

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 pm twopassatman

        Oh yes. Much truth.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 6:18 am thwack

        Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I never understood men who like experienced women.
        ————————————————————————————————

        They take instruction well and don’t freak at the technical/logistical nature of your language instructing them to help you build a bomb thats gonna go off between the two of you.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 7:17 pm anonYmous

      Not all women are ok with once a week or less, but some are. that is what is kind of neat about abundance mentality, the less you need them the more they want you. women who work a lot are more then happy with this arrangement, for example.

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    • on May 20, 2014 at 2:29 am Kyo

      Maldek, there are an awful lot of men in the world who would very gladly sign up for once a week, or once a month, for the rest of their lives, and think they got a great deal.

      Where I live, Japan, there was recently a survey that revealed that less than 50% of the men of prime marrying/sex age (20-49, I think) had had sex even a single time in the past year!

      The average is supposedly 17 per year, but the median is closer to 3. That latter figure is less than 0.06 times per week, if we’re measuring in weeks.

      For me, once a week would be beyond my wildest dreams. Once a month forever would leave me grumbling a bit but I wouldn’t feel deprived compared to how things could be. There’s a saying here among married women: “you don’t feed bait to a fish you’ve already caught”.

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      • on May 21, 2014 at 8:32 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        The discrepancy between the average and the median shows that some Japanese men are having lots of sex.

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  11. on May 19, 2014 at 5:12 pm Scray

    this is pretty good:
    http://www.therecord.com/whatson-story/4028980-college-students-today-having-less-sex-than-a-generation-ago/

    “They found that young, educated people are having sex less often and with fewer partners than their late 1980s/early 1990s counterparts, and that today’s students haven’t necessarily developed more relaxed attitudes toward teen, premarital or extramarital sex.”

    It seems like the 90’s were like, the apex, of no-accountability feminism.

    ‘ Fewer 2000s-era students (77.1 per cent) also report having a spouse or regular partner than young people in the 1980s and 1990s (84.5 per cent), which fits with the idea of young people waiting longer to get married today.

    Monto stressed that he doesn’t necessarily believe that everything we hear about a “hookup culture” on campus is incorrect. Rather, young people may be overestimating how much casual sex their peers are having.’

    Seems legit idk

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 7:26 pm anonYmous

      On one of Dr Drew’s podcasts he sites the reason for the decline in teenage pregnancy as MTV’s “16 and pregnant”. Chicks are seeing what its like having a kid, and the drama associated with being around a guy who doesnt stick around and help. This does not mean that teenage women are having less sex, just that they are not getting pregnant. But it does not exclude that teenage women are cutting back a little bit either.

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  12. on May 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm Jordan Belfort

    A bit old but nuggets of truth are spread here and there in this video:

    We are currently in the golden era for fast hookups.

    The last 3 girls I met with were banged on the first date and that’s if you can even consider a walk in the park with some weed mixed in, a “date.”

    One girl talked about how the love and passion now a days is gone. LOL, all I kept thinking was, “bitch, quit the idealism and spread them cheeks!”

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  13. on May 19, 2014 at 5:57 pm little spoon

    In an ideal world, how many times a month would you have sex with your gf or wife?

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 9:13 pm Canadian Friend

      If by sex you mean both penetration, BJs and hand jobs, then…

      when I was younger, at least 15 times a month ( every other day), preferably 60 times a month ( 3 times a day or skip a day and do it 5-6 times the next – it happened, those were the days when they could have made Viagra out of me, but alas…I can not stay young forever )

      but now at age 54? I’d be ok with 8 times a month/twice a week …but a bit more often would be better.

      A normal man never refuses a BJ from the attractive woman he likes/loves, no matter how tired he is.

      If women provided men with more BJs, there would be less conflicts in the world…but I digress…

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 5:16 am little spoon

        When I was in my early 20s, my boyfriend nailed me 2-5 times a day every day. Back then I thought it was awesome. I might still today for the right guy.

        [CH: i bet you love that feeling when your labia have been so thoroughly ravaged you walk a little funny and you have a pleasantly dull buzzing soreness there all day long.]

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 4:31 pm little spoon

        I love it when I it gets to the point where I have to ask to stop because it hurts. Not easy to get me there.

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    • on May 21, 2014 at 9:41 am Grim

      62 if the month has 31 days. once at night and once in the morning.

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  14. on May 19, 2014 at 6:09 pm Troubadour

    The interesting thing about reflecting on the 1950s housewife I know is that she would outwardly pretend to want nothing to do with sex. She really screwed my mother up, sexually, in fact. “Just lie there and let him get it over with. It isn’t that bad,” she told my mother on her wedding night.

    Yet the truth revealed itself unexpectedly. After a bad car accident, my grandmother was in a nursing home with a fractured pelvis. We sat in the entertainment room together, watching a lot of sad old people in the process of dying, when my 83 year old grandmother proclaimed, “My crotch hurts. That’s supposed to be my happy place.”

    Happy place indeed. There you have it. She enjoyed sex with the big strong dominant man she served diligently from the age of 15. I think he was 23. They got married the day she turned 16.

    I have my grandfather’s genes, but I sure don’t have his cultural milieu.

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  15. on May 19, 2014 at 6:25 pm The Problem With Sex Surveys | Reaction Times

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  16. on May 19, 2014 at 6:35 pm ACG1

    I once read about a sex survey where the [straight] males reported something like twice as many sexual partners, on average, as the females. The author wasn’t numerate enough to point out that that result is impossible if respondents are being honest…

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  17. on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 pm Will

    Or you have multiple sisters and you have multiple friends that are girls and know who they fuck I’d say avg hot/fuckable girl by 25 is 10-20.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 7:31 pm Will

      Especiallyyyyyy if they went to a university (that’s what I’m basing this off)

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  18. on May 19, 2014 at 7:45 pm Audacious Epigone

    The urban, SWPL social milieu you frequent in combination with your silver tongue, rock-ribbed frame and rock-solid body targeting 8-10s quite likely gives you a skewed perception of the wider dating market that might not scale especially well to the rest of the country, Occident, developed world, etc.

    Some counterpoints to consider:

    – Reports of premarital sex rates for 15-19 year-olds began steadily increasing from the 70s through the end of the 80s, peaking in 1991. Rates have been decreasing since then. The 1950s to 2010s comparison is interesting, but not especially relevant to the University of London study cited in the article linked to, which looked at data over just the last couple of decades (though marriage rates have steadily declined over the last twenty years as well, so the difference is only in degree, not direction). That survey data meshes pretty well with what the GSS shows, incidentally.

    – Gonorrhea rates follow a similar pattern, increasing in the mid-40s and then declining through the end of the 50s at which point they began increasing again until the mid-70s when they peaked and then declined through the late 90s, and having leveled off since leveled off.

    – Likewise with herpes, which isn’t medically treatable–went up through the 70s and 80s, peaked in the early 90s, and has been declining since then.

    – Also, GSS data from 2000 onward among those aged 18-44 shows that NAMs report having more sex than whites do (though Asians report less). So the white decrease in surveys like these is probably understated.

    – Regarding social expectation bias, it has, if anything, presumably shifted attitudes in a direction leaving today’s women feeling less shame and embarrassment in reporting high numbers of partners and sex frequency than their counterparts would’ve felt in the past.

    [CH: i mentioned in a previous post on this matter that relatively recent sex frequency decreases, if true, could be just as easily explained by environmental factors such as obesity and internet porn as by cycles inherent to human generational dynamics. it’s plausible that fat women and readily accessible alternative sexual outlets have dampened men’s ardor and commitment to courtship. (likewise it’s plausible the same has happened to women surrounded by a sea of male feminists and economic drop-outs.) let’s face it, men don’t want to bang fatties if they have a choice. with 70% of american women above ideal weight, men are “going their own way” so to speak.

    of course, it’s certainly possible that these environmental insults amplify any cyclic influences.

    ps i also suggested that the sexual market in the usa was bifurcating, with urban swpls enjoying a full prance card and the rural/suburban religious becoming more chaste.]

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    • on May 20, 2014 at 1:10 pm samseau

      “i also suggested that the sexual market in the usa was bifurcating, with urban swpls enjoying a full prance card and the rural/suburban religious becoming more chaste.”

      Completely believe this is the case. Especially among our new immigrant hordes, they are not as slutty as our white princesses.

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  19. on May 19, 2014 at 9:32 pm alexandrahamilton87

    Just curious, what do you think is now the slut line N count for a woman in her early to mid-twenties? Used to be zero, but given operating parameters these days…

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 10:19 pm thwack

      86

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      • on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 pm alexandrahamilton87

        No seriously, like 3? 5? 10? I can’t imagine any man is happy his woman has had more than 10 partners, but I’ve been wrong before…

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 4:51 am Canadian Friend

        Once a woman goes thwack, we don’t want her back.

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      • on May 20, 2014 at 2:23 pm Kyo

        Alexandra, a man might pretend not to mind if his wife has had as many as 10 previous men, but if he has any self-respect, he will not be happy about that.

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    • on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I have no idea what the mean number of sexual partners is for a woman, but from my personal experience and that of my friends, I don’t think the average number is that relevant anyway because the standard deviation is huge.

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  20. on May 20, 2014 at 5:39 am thwack

    Once a woman goes Canadian she’ll never get laid again.

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    • on May 20, 2014 at 5:53 am Canadian Friend

      Once a woman tries this Canadian Friend, she never wants my love making to end.

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  21. on May 20, 2014 at 7:49 am elmer

    Morons and pranksters respond to surveys which are analyzed by pseudo-scientists, as described in my Spearhead essay “Pentagon Report Fuels Media Rape Fantasies”.

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    • on May 20, 2014 at 7:53 am elmer

      Nun : Class, pass this list around and everyone write their name.

      Prankster writes : Dick Hurtz

      Nun, requesting pupils respond by raising their hands : Dick Hurtz? Dick Hurtz? Who’s Dick Hurtz?

      Prinkaster : Aw mine’s killing me!

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  22. on May 20, 2014 at 9:03 am superslaviswife

    And don’t forget that a woman with fewer partners is less likely to cheat and more likely to stay in a marriage, which probably means that the 50s guy was getting more sex than your typical married guy today. No pining for anyone else or bemoaning lost freedom. Just her and him and lust.

    On the other hand, six times a month is a little low. Aiming for 14 as a minimum sounds more reasonable.

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  23. on May 20, 2014 at 12:40 pm Opus

    Even the most promiscuous of women (outside of Prostitution) is going to have less sex than a married woman; promiscuous women are unlikely to have sex seven times a week or more, but that is child’s play for a hot married woman in her late teens or early twenties. The PUA will also have less sex than will a husband, but he will have greater variety and the added frisson of scoring.

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  24. on May 20, 2014 at 1:02 pm Opus

    I should add: the sexual revolution of the 1960s did not increase the amount of sex, it merely rearranged who was getting what, probably with an overall diminution.

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  25. on May 20, 2014 at 2:30 pm Jokah Macpherson

    Ok

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  26. on May 20, 2014 at 5:17 pm Glenbert

    Sex surveys give us indisputable, statistically significant evidence that women who lie about one thing are very likely to lie about another thing.

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    • on May 21, 2014 at 4:19 pm Ryan Vann

      They won’t lie if compelled by SCIENCE! Thus, the new policy of affixing an admonishing winger wave gif of Neil Degrasse Tyson to all surveys. Social science is serious bidness afterall/

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