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Spiders, Diversity, And Seduction, Oh My

May 22, 2014 by CH

You may not think a study of social spiders would have anything to say about such disparate topics as racial diversity and pickup, but that’s just because you haven’t taken a fistful of shrooms and gone on a vision quest.

…these oddball spider socialites may offer fresh insight into an array of human mysteries: where our personalities come from, why some people can’t open their mouths at a party while others can’t keep theirs shut and, why, no matter our age, we can’t seem to leave high school behind. […]

[Researchers] have determined that character-building in social spiders is a communal affair. While they quickly display the first glimmerings of a basic predisposition — a relative tendency toward shyness or boldness, tetchiness or docility — that personality is then powerfully influenced by the other spiders in the group.

In laboratory experiments, the researchers showed that spiders exposed to the same group day after day developed stronger and more distinctive personalities than those that were shifted from one set of spiders to the next. Moreover, the spiders in a stable social setting grew ever less like one another over time.

In other words, far from fostering behavioral conformity, a predictable social life accentuated each spider’s quirks and personal style, rather as the characters in a sitcom — the Goth girl, the huckster, the lovable buffoon — rise ever more to type with every passing laugh-tracked week.

“The longer the spiders were with the same individuals, the stronger their personalities became, and the more different they became from each other,” Dr. Pruitt said. “The aggressive ones became much more aggressive, the docile ones more docile.” The consistency of their behaviors also mounted with time, he said, “to the point where they seemed almost rigid.”

As most readers are here to learn how better to attract women in a world gone mad, the story within this story is what group familiarity and uniformity say about your chances to escape your beta box, (or, conversely, to exploit your alpha cred).

Summarizing, a lack of inter-group diversity (say, growing up in an idyllic all-white suburb where Rush blasted from angst-y teen bedrooms) actually increases individual diversity, through the mechanism of amplifying preexisting personality differences among same-group members. In contrast, a lot of inter-group diversity (say, moving to a SWPL hipster enclave in a minority white city soaked in vibrancy that makes daily living an adventure in survival) produces a uniformity of thought and, CH will note, of aesthetic within groups, which is why we see SWPL hoods in nearly every major American city converging on the same farm-to-table Obama-loving liberal hypocrite norm.

Paradoxically, group cohesiveness creates more individual diversity, while inter-group diversity creates more intra-group uniformity. Diversity + proximity = conformity.

In other words, the diversity that really matters — diversity of thought and personality — flourishes in less racially diverse environs.

That’s the diversity angle of this spider study, What about the game angle?

Equally dramatic was the impact of social conditions on the boldness test. Stable spider groups, composed of six spiders that remained together for up to four weeks, showed the greatest variety between individuals, the greatest mix of bold and shy, as well as the highest individual consistency: The pebble-playing times of the boldies grew shorter while those of the timids lengthened.

Among shifting spider groups, by contrast, the boldness scores proved far less predictable, as though the spiders didn’t quite know what was expected of them. […]

Alison M. Bell, who studies stickleback personality at the University of Illinois, says the spider work neatly illustrates the mix of plasticity and predilection that underlies personality.

“I think it’s such an appealing idea that social interactions could cause social niches, and it resonates with our own experience as humans,” she said. “When you go into a group, your behavior changes depending on the nature of that group, but it can only change so far.”

Yet so long. Soon after getting results from the experiments, Dr. Laskowski met with a group of friends she hadn’t seen since graduating from high school a decade earlier.

“All of a sudden I’m high-school Kate again,” she said. “Just being in that social environment completely reinforced my old behaviors. It was my social niche, that’s what I felt.”

Your identity can be altered by removing (or removing yourself from) social dynamics that reinforce your old identity. Personality is part predilection, part plasticity (ratios subject to debate), and what this spider study hints at is that if you are a docile beta male who wants to inject some alpha characteristics into your behavioral regime, you can move the needle on your suite of personality traits by getting the hell away from stale social settings in which you are known as the niceguy who doesn’t pick up women.

For some men, this won’t be news. Many a former beta male has testified to social and sexual success that accrued after he left his comfortable social circle, or his hometown, for strange new lands and new friends who didn’t know of his past nature. Like the rattled spiders who got confused when their social landscape shifted, the beta male will be able to more easily experiment with bold alpha moves in a new environment filled with new people who haven’t yet pigeonholed him. Additionally, the alpha males who luxuriated in the rewards that familiar people’s expectations granted them will be less bold in new environments, thus paving a path for uppity beta males to exploit the slick seducer niche.

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  1. on May 22, 2014 at 2:12 pm Spiders, Diversity, And Seduction, Oh My | Manosphere.com

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  2. on May 22, 2014 at 2:15 pm Krul

    Flanderization in real life.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 pm elmer

      As in Ned Flanders?

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am Arbiter

      Using a pop-cultural reference from trendy websites to make your case…. Yeah, try to avoid that. Talk like a man.

      at elmer: He is referring to how Ned Flanders supposedly turns into a caricature of his own behavior in time. A lot more religious, for example.

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  3. on May 22, 2014 at 2:15 pm Steve H

    “In other words, the diversity that really matters — diversity of thought and personality — flourishes in less racially diverse environs.”

    Overall I agree with the deduction of this research as you’ve laid it out. However – I think it’s important, before leaping to the conclusion quoted, to examine more thoroughly the personality traits, ego needs, and community-seeking intent (read: lemming proclivity) of those who congregate to form those SWPL enclaves in white minority cities.

    I don’t think the uniformity of thought and paradigm you find in SWPL-ville is at all attributable to any kind of ‘need to survive the big scary city’ type of dynamic.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 5:00 am thwack

      Also, what color were the spiders?

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  4. on May 22, 2014 at 2:21 pm Phillyastro

    Subdivisions…

    Even better, is to live in a large enough community with many neighborhoods and cultivate as many personnae as you’d like within one city. So, you can be the cubicle beta-boy downtown and be the slag laying warrior uptown.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 5:40 pm Zombie Shane

      Personality alternating can be done, but it requires enormous self-discipline, which the overwhelming majority of people simply do not possess.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 8:06 pm Zombie Shane

        It’s also very exhausting, to psyche yourself up for the transition from Clark Kent to Superman – and, maybe even more exhausting than that – to calm yourself back down, as you come out of Superman mode and become just plain old Clark Kent once again.

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  5. on May 22, 2014 at 2:31 pm Tim

    Wow,

    Generally, this is a pretty amusing website.

    You’re using spiders to make a prediction on the effects of large groups of people.

    You’ve made some over reaching generalizations before, but I think this one tops them all.

    Let’s all go back to our webs and really think if comparing this to human behavior makes any sense.

    Still, though, a pretty amusing website, one way or the other.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm Angry Gamer

      Wow the Troll is strong with this one…

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm cynthia

      Actually, the scientists who did the research made those comparisons themselves. And it’s like, an article in the New York Times, the Bible of the American Left. So…

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 5:02 am thwack

        what color were the scientists?

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 5:06 pm Alex

      It is a function of greater intellect to be able to predict correctly with limited data (connecting the dots). Sherlock Holmes did not get the to see the murder, he had to find the murderer.
      On the other hand idiots like you would not be able to predict the sunrise next morning.
      Wow, just Wow (hipster pwning).

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 9:52 pm whorefinder

      I raped your mom.

      And she liked it.

      Troll rape!

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 10:36 pm Rick250

        All work and no rape makes Tim a dull boy..

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 4:20 pm Greg Eliot

        If she likes the penetration, it ain’t rape.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 1:20 pm Tim

        read

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 1:13 am Arbiter

      Poor Timmy doesn’t like the obvious truth that stability in social relations makes people feel better and helps them evolve. “a pretty amusing website” – that’s a pretty pathetic attempt at an insult. As if you would be reading CH, ridiculous. Socialist fanatics like you are unable to read arguments based on facts and science, it makes you sweat with fear of straying from the media you worship.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 6:55 am tspark156

      I bet your a real devil with the ladies.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 9:22 am Director

      Generalization check…

      Racist check…

      Essentialist check…

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 12:23 pm SFG

      I’d put it more under ‘true, true, unrelated’…you can make some analogies, and he’s right that a change of scene is a good way to break out of being a beta, but spiders diverged from us way, way back evolutionarily.

      It’s not like primates which are our closest relatives. It’s like some feminist saying ‘bees have one queen, so matriarchy is natural!”

      Again, CH is right, the feminist is wrong, but spiders don’t have much in common with people apart from cellular machinery. They don’t even have blood.

      I *do* think it makes sense from the narrative point of view–people have been using stories to communicate for ages. “The kingdom of God is like a mustardseed…” (I really want to see what GBFM does with this one: the kingdom of God is like a punani…)

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    • on May 30, 2014 at 4:42 pm Tim

      Tim again, let’s go through some of the replies and see how I do in the realm of CH…using the rules, and lingo of your little world.

      To those of you who called me ridiculous names, (i.e.. “Troll” etc…)
      “sticks and stones, bitches, sticks and stones…”

      Cynthia, if you are a a girl, and not some nitwit pretending to be one.

      Well, according to the rules on this website, your opinion isn’t worth much.

      Your value lies somewhere else.

      So, pipe down, and get me a beer.

      Tspark.

      Yur spellin is quyt gud fer such an edurmacated dipshit.

      Alex,

      Be original, quoting mythologic characters doesn’t make you sound smart or well read.

      Try harder, and you can do better.

      Then again, no, probably not. Keep quoting, we all know it’s the best you can do…..

      But as for you, “whorefinder”…if there was less than an omega, if there was a letter after the Greek letter omega in the alphabet, you would be the defining character of it.

      A person who posts about the regularity of his masturbation schedule…(checked out your blog there…very very sub-omega)

      Well, even your fellow CH’ers must be be cringing.

      But I’m sure you make some of them feel better.

      Even the biggest losers can read your stuff and can say this: “as big a loser as I am, I’m not that low.”

      But I will tell you this: If you had the balls to say something like that to me in public (and you wouldn’t…you pathetic bitch), I would get up, bitch slap you to the floor, and sit back down and continue to eat my dinner.

      As far as your meticulously logging your workouts.

      Stop wasting your time writing, and put six plates on your shoulders and squat.

      Write down how many you did , times three sets, and try to do more next time.

      If you can’t do six plates, start with less.

      Do the same thing with deads, chin-ups, and bench. Weighted dips are fine too.

      Crunches on Bosu balls don’t count.

      Writing doesn’t make you strong.

      I almost pity you.

      Read Starting Strength, by Mark Rippetoe.
      ——————————
      To CH:

      I truly find your blog worth reading.

      Even though I don’t agree with much of what you say, it’s often thoughtful, and extremely well written.

      Thanks.

      T

      Lastly, there are a lot of people who post who actually write things worth reading.

      The name calling etc doesn’t help, and just gives a reader more chaff to get through.

      To them(i.e.. CFG below), thanks also.

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  6. on May 22, 2014 at 2:44 pm Lumpy

    Soliciting suggestions from those more experienced with daygame.

    I was at a mexican place getting lunch with a coworker today. A particular hottie walked in, and I passed on the opportunity to open her with a half-wall divider between us. As we finished eating, she was sitting down alone on the bar seats by the window. Blatant opportunity. She was trying to cover her white pants with paper napkins and I opened by telling her good luck with that.

    Went good, chat chat. She’s from out of town and just moved here on monday, working a summer internship at her dream place. I talked to her more about that. Teased her more about her pants. Get the number. She’s turning 21 next week. This whole time I was standing and she was sitting, but we were within a foot of each other so I figured it didn’t matter hugely. Excused myself to get back to my co-worker who was waiting outside the restaurant. Maybe 4 minute interaction in total.

    Waited about an hour and texted her: “We’re getting lunch tomorrow. Don’t wear white pants lol. What’s your next piece about?” [she does journalism]

    I haven’t gotten a response and I don’t feel great about that text, but I’m not sure how to improve it. Retrospectively I think I should have not invited her out so directly and tried to get some rapport instead.

    I looked her up online after texting. She won a beauty pageant in a regional city near here. lol. fuck.

    Obviously, the better approach would have been to sit down with her and fucking instadate.

    So, questions:
    • What do y’all do if you’re out with people and hit it off with a girl you approach? I could have texted my buddy quick, “leave me” or something, but I didn’t think to do it. I run into a lot of instances of this, and in a lot of cases I can get away with ditching my friends but not all.

    • What do y’all do about weird little social awkwardnesses, like she’s sitting there eating her lunch and I’ve already eaten, but I’ve eaten already? I suppose not be a pussy and plow through awkwardness like a boss. 🙂

    • Onion-breath. lol. I always end up at mexican places talking to girls. And I feel awkward about it. A gameplan that popped into my head would be to walk down to a corner store with her after she finished up eating, buy some water and mints and offer to her of course “not presuming anything, but in case we end up smooching later” or something lol, and keep rolling on the instadate. Sane?

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 2:53 pm ar10308

      Are you supposed to text her so shortly after the initial interaction with DayGame?
      Also, are you supposed to suggest the same activity you met her doing as a way of reconnecting? Meet at lunch, so get lunch again? Meet at supermarket, go to supermarket again? Etc.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:09 pm Angry Gamer

      Relax, you got the number that’s a win.
      It happens or it does not… no amount of “shouda woulda coulda” is going to help now EXCEPT

      DELAY your freakin beta yearnings to text her again.
      In the immortal words of Hawkeye: Women are like bread sometimes you need to leave them alone to get a rise out of them.

      but on a direct note… LUNCH NEXT DAY DUDE? SERIOUSLY?

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:59 pm immoralgables

      Lumpy

      First of all, props playa.

      Going to be quick but here is the number 1 thing I want you to change up with your daygame that will solidify leads.

      STOP GETTING THE NUMBER AND VIEWING THAT AS THE GOAL

      now do this:

      START SETTING UP PLANS/MEET-UP IN THE SET AND USE THAT AS A MEANS TOWARDS THE GOAL.

      Straight-up.

      Ya the lunch idea was kinda ghey as drinks set a better frame and put you in a better position to succeed and pound that pussy.

      I read this tip from an avid daygamer in NYC who confirmed how his flake ratio went down when he set plans first and then got the number as a means to make the plans happen. His username on reddit is laserf0cus. Look him up and read his story.

      Girls give out the numbers all the time with little investment most of the time. But when you change your style up and get them to invest in making the plans it will benefit.

      What I do:

      After a 8min I ask where do they live, if they come into the city often (if they live outside). If they mention they live in another borough I tease and say that “We’d never workout with this long distance”. You don’t have to do that but it lightens the mood.

      After finding out crucial logistics info I say something how I’d be down to grab a drink at this awesome little place nearby (or wherever)

      Then ask what days of the week are good for her. I usually say Mon and Tues are good for me. Then push for that number and go from there.

      Go to text: Hey crazy girl, this is Immoral. Nice meeting ya ; )

      Then on day of reopen with something fun or whatever. I don’t like to confirm with a “Hey are we still on?” Or something gay. Use your judgment.

      Try this out. Make the plans AND then get the number.

      -IG

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 4:01 pm immoralgables

        Edit: START SETTING UP PLANS/MEET-UP IN THE SET AND USE THE NUMBER-CLOSE THAT AS A MEANS TOWARDS THE GOAL.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 4:18 am walawala

        @immoral: great post.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 8:28 am PimpinBlueStar

        @IG

        Nice.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:26 am Hunter

        @Immoralgables solid shit

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 3:38 pm theasdgamer

      Idk, I always went straight to the apt./room when I did daygame, lol.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 3:41 pm theasdgamer

        Skeptic: Really?

        Gamer: YaReally! heh

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  7. on May 22, 2014 at 2:48 pm ar10308

    What is interesting is that I have witnessed both of these phenomena:

    “Additionally, the alpha males who luxuriated in the rewards that familiar people’s expectations granted them will be less bold in new environments, thus paving a path for uppity beta males to exploit the slick seducer niche.”

    When all the Alphas from high school went off to college, they mostly stuck together and pulled relatively lower quality girls compared to the ones they had rapport with in high school. A few have branched out and gone on to do things of high status (banking, producer for NFL Network, etc), but most have stuck together.

    “Many a former beta male has testified to social and sexual success that accrued after he left his comfortable social circle, or his hometown, for strange new lands and new friends who didn’t know of his past nature.”

    Also, true. Getting out and developing my personality outside of the town I grew up in helped massively when going back to it for the high school reunion. I was several points higher on social scale when I came back just because I refused to go back to where I was when I left, and chose to interact with different people in a different manner.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:21 pm FuriousFerret

      ““Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? 3 Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph,[a] Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

      4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 He was amazed at their lack of faith.
      ”

      God himself wasn’t accepted in his hometown. Much less some beta.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:59 pm Zombie Shane

      > “I was several points higher on social scale when I came back just because I refused to go back to where I was when I left, and chose to interact with different people in a different manner.”

      That describes me to a “T”, except that I headed in the “other” direction.

      The SWPLs now disgust me so much that I spent most of the night hanging out with the rednecks.

      [Which just made the SWPL pussy want me all that much more.]

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  8. on May 22, 2014 at 3:03 pm Lumpy

    It’s interesting how the same population diversity dynamics play out on many fractal levels.

    A highly diverse diet tends to lead to low gut bacterial biodiversity. Throw chips and chipotle at your stomach one day, sushi and a binge drinking session the next, and relatively few species of bacteria will survive both.

    In contrast, a hunter gatherer diet living off of staples that vary seasonally plus whatever you can scrounge up (low day-to-day dietary diversity) leads to incredibly diverse gut biomes.

    http://humanfoodproject.com/slumdog-microbiome-more-diverse/

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  9. on May 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm Zombie Shane

    This is some fascinating and terrifying shiznat.

    In humans, it seems that it would present enormously profitable opportunities for the sociopathic.

    When encountering a diverse environment, normal folk would withhold any expression of their more oddball eccentricities because they care enough not to want to upset the balance of things.

    But because the sociopathic literally do not “care” [at all], when the sociopathic encounter a diverse environment, what they would see would be just so many sheep lining up for the slaughter.

    With the added bonus of no opposition to their plans for the slaughter, simply because the good folk are all trying so hard to be polite and maintain good manners and peaceful realtionships in an effort to try to hold the thing together and not allow it to degenerate into chaos and insanity.

    Which I imagine is probably exactly how The Frankfurt School and Its puppets – like Bill Clinton and Barry Soetoro Dunham – approach any diverse population: Sheep in need of slaughtering.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:24 pm Zombie Shane

      For creatures as simple as arachnids, I wonder whether there is any possible analogue to sociopathy?

      Sociopathy strikes me as being the sort of thing which would [necessarily] have to be confined to Homo sapiens.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 11:20 pm The Spirit Within

      To Zombie Shane, there is no scientific principle that cannot be applied to illuminate the evils of our former and current Democratic presidents.

      ODS.

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  10. on May 22, 2014 at 3:14 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Beta of the Decade?

    A university graduate has proposed to his girlfriend with an epic video that took four years to film and features him lip-syncing in 26 different countries.

    Jack Hyer of Whitefish, Montana, went on his first date with fellow University of Montana student Rebecca Strellnauer on September 30 2010 and afterwards vowed that one day he would marry her.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636599/Is-epic-proposal-video-Boyfriend-spends-FOUR-YEARS-travels-26-countries-film-amazing-lip-syncing-clip-course-said-YES.html

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:39 pm Zombie Shane

      It would have been so much easier if he’d just told her to stop taking the pill and then had knocked her up with a bun in her oven.

      Betas.

      Good grief.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm Modern Primitive

        I was wondering how long it’d be before you started spouting your bun in the oven shit again.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:01 pm david

      I feel so sorry for this dude. he needs to know the truth

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      My prediction: four, long years of beta work wrecked by four seconds of alpha smirk. Better start making that divorce video, bub.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:55 pm ho

      This is so pathetic, if she doesn’t divorce rape him, it would be a cruel twist of fate.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm Zombie Shane

        COTW right there.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 10:59 am Grim

      This is a perfect teaching moment of epic proportions. In all seriousness, the sad fact is that he has earned no “equity” in her female brain for this incredibly epic, romantic “gesture” (no, WORK) that he has done. When she becomes a little bored and unhaaaaaaaappy after 3 to 7 years, which is A CERTAINTY, he will get no equity in her little female brain for this or any of the other nice stuff he’s done for her in their relationship. None. This is a key point that is emphasized a bit more over at one of Rational Male’s good posts.

      It is always “what have you done to entertain me and make me feel fuuuuuun and haaaaaappy lately?” in a female’s brain, and by “lately” she means “in the past 24 hours” or, if the man is lucky, in the past week. No sweat or relationship equity is built. Hypergamy does not care about this epic proposal video that took 4 years and 26 countries to create. Hypergamy doesn’t care that you took her on amazing trips for destination concerts as a $3,000 Christmas present every year even though you were just “dating.”

      The woman *will* become bored and unhappy at some point in an LTR, it is literally unavoidable. She won’t run to the divorce court right away. No, she will stay with you in a state of unhappiness for a while, but one day when the hormones are especially bad and she’s unhappy and you say something less than perfect, she will run to the divorce theft court.

      It also won’t matter if they have young children together and he’s not violent and has never cheated.

      Hypergamy awards no sweat or romance or relationship equity (none!!!), and when she inevitably becomes unhappy or sees you as “boring” or “cheap” because only the man has the ability to worry about the future (the burden is on him) and realize that perhaps one can’t take a month’s vacation and spend $8000 every year in a bad economy, bam, it’s over.

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  11. on May 22, 2014 at 3:16 pm Angry Gamer

    I really like this post and it does have impact on Game.

    For one thing it underscores that urban hipsters have a “groupthink” and don’t take kindly to non conforming diverse thought (so leave your limbaugh quotes unsaid).

    For the second if you like extra curricular activities the Burbs (assuming you blend in) are your ticket to happy endings.

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  12. on May 22, 2014 at 3:28 pm Lurking Gorilla

    Apologies for the off topic question. Am I being a butthurt fool or am I justified in being annoyed and disgusted with my girlfriend for this: 6 months before she met me she kissed a coworker at a club, got very drunk, gave him a half finished handjob in her bed before they both passed out. No sex. (She denies the handjob but I bet she did. There was no sex though.)

    In the morning they had to rush off to work and they never repeated it. She’s “good friends” with him now, and he’s in our social circle when we go clubbing. Bit of smug prick too. She never told me anything about it until recently, when I asked her. Not a word, even though we’d been out drinking together multiple times, me, him, her, and another girl that the guy is fucking.

    Being around men who’ve hooked up with my girl makes me nauseous with disgust, like he has power over me and my quarry.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:36 pm CH

      as a principled guideline, it’s never a good idea to share social space with exes of your current lover, for many reasons i don’t have time to explain now. the biggest reason, though, is that your gf will always have unspoken hand when you all go out together because of the tacit recognition that she is being chased, or was chased, by more than one man in attendance.

      dump her, or dump that scene. that’s my recommendation, and i know that this goes against classical game teachings, which say that what’s past is past and as long as you are alpha she’ll never stray again.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 4:31 pm Lurking Gorilla

        Thank you CH. I’ve already decided to dump her – this was the straw. For my own future reference though, this falls into a grey area somewhat. He’s not an ex, he was just a one-off makeout, without sex. So I wonder does the same “dump her/the scene” advice apply in cases like that, all else being equal. Any thoughts? I can feel my cortisol poisoning me when I think about things like this.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 4:26 am walawala

        @Lurking Gorilla.

        To make a long story short. My now ex gf went out with a guy as a “friend” for her birthday. He asked her out as a “Friend”. I asked if she’d told him about us. “He didn’t ask.”

        I went mental. I pulled away. My gut told me something was very wrong with this situation despite her insistence I was “crazy” to think there was anything going on.

        Two weeks later she broke up. It was clear something was going on.

        He’s kind of in my social circle. Always used to say hi to me. I ignored him.

        Last time I saw him he said “hi” to me, then came over to say something to her, then left. It looked kind of …over between them.

        The point I’m making is…if it feels weird to you…go with that feeling.

        Your situation has parallels to mine. If something smells funny, then there’s something rotten in there.

        I agree with CH’s advice here.

        A confrontation would just be beta, she’d deny it, make you out to be an insecure loser and then it would disintegrate.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 3:44 pm theasdgamer

        As a natural, my instincts concur with your advice.

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      • on May 24, 2014 at 11:37 am Lurking Gorilla

        Two questions for anyone who’s still here, though I think the thread has moved on
        1. Should you ever tell a girl the reason you’re dumping her (because of her shady/slutty past)
        2. What about grey areas where they just hooked up once, fooled around, didn’t have full sex, etc. Does that require full disclosure?

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:45 pm Zombie Shane

      > “Am I being a butthurt fool or am I justified in being annoyed and disgusted with my girlfriend for this”

      We are being annoyed and disgusted with you for calling her your “girlfriend”.

      There are two kinds of chicks in life:

      1) Bar whores, whom you fuck and discard.

      2) Nice girls, whom you date for several months to decide whether you want to make babies with them.

      Guess which category your “girlfriend” falls into?

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 3:46 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Bit of smug prick too.”

        And there are two kinds of guys in this world.

        1) Alphas.

        2) Betas, who tolerate Alphas messing around with their women.

        Guess which kind of guy you are?

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 3:53 pm PA

        “There are two kinds of chicks… guess which one your girlfriend is”

        I like Zombie Shane. He brings clarity.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 4:35 pm Lurking Gorilla

        Couldn’t agree with you more. I was using this girl as a convenient hole, but the sex was so good that the months stretched on and I got to the point where, even though I’ve banged 10 + chicks while with her (no e-exaggeration, 10 wet holes), I *still* get disgusted with her for some of the sleazy shit she’s done in the past. Poor girl was diddled by her uncle too, damaged goods. I used “girlfriend” as a convenient shorthand

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 5:05 am Anon

        “I like Zombie Shane. He brings clarity.”

        Mostly he’s a cunt.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:52 pm ballocaust

      haha “good friends”, always a classic. either he was too worthless to bang but i like the free beta feels or we did fuck around but i couldn’t lock him down

      (answer to question: whos hotter, your girl or his new one)

      if OBJECTIVELY NO BITCH FEELS, your chick is hotter then maybe it was a regrettable one-off with a beta orbitey chum.

      if the other girl is more smokin then your girl got passed up and prolly is using you as “SEE LOOK WHO SIGNED UP FOR THE PUSSY”, a telltale precursor to “YOU STILL WANT DIS AZZ THO?” and “LETS YOU AND HIM FIGHT”

      time to start spinning plates b4 you become the one that gets dropped braj

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 4:09 pm Zombie Shane

        > “a regrettable one-off with a beta orbitey chum”

        Nah, he already confessed that the other dude was a ‘Bit of smug prick’.

        So the other dude was definitely not the nice guy who always finishes last.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 3:56 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      “half finished handjob”? lol

      More likely, imagine him finishing inside her.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 4:06 pm Zombie Shane

        > “More likely, imagine him finishing inside her.”

        If GBFM were here, then he’d point out that that sentence is missing a final word at the very end: ‘rectum’.

        Then he would say, ‘lolzzollzzlzzz’.

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 10:29 pm Lucius Somesuch

        “For where two or three are gathered together in GBFM(TM)’s name, there he lolzzollzzlzzz in the midst of them.”

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 4:27 pm Greg Eliot

        Half-finished hand job? Let me put this through the femspeak translator:

        Yep, just as I thought… fucker her RAW.

        Forgive the Schadenfreude, but LLZOZOZLZLOZOZLZOZLZLZOZLZOZLZOZL

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:30 pm Amy

      She’s “good friends” with him now, and he’s in our social circle when we go clubbing.

      This is wrong. If you went to her office party and happened to meet the guy along with all her other co-workers, I wouldn’t blame her for not bringing up the past. But she actively solicits his company, you all go out together, and she doesn’t bother mentioning their sexual history to you? That’s really disrespectful. You should be pissed.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 5:38 pm Scray

      The great thing about cold approach is that you mostly avoid shit like this; if you hook up with a girl through social circle….there’s a chance that your friends have hooked up with this chick.

      And really, any girl who hangs around guys they used to bang or formerly bang….with you or without you….that’s a red flag.

      CH is right. Ditch the scene or ditch her. Should be simple — ‘I don’t really want to hang out with X anymore.’ If she makes any move or pretense of just hanging out with him without you….or doesn’t understand….then just move on.

      Girls aren’t stupid. If they’re into you, they won’t try to put themselves (or you) into bullshit situations like that.

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  13. on May 22, 2014 at 3:37 pm dick fuel

    first, dot gov : diversity’s great to keep the cows on the farm – gotta wonder if the application by our owners of this *science* (the ubiquitous diversity tolerance folderol) was haphazard or if overpaid underlaid phd-bags ‘inform’ them of such nuggets

    second, war and conformity aren’t synonyms

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:18 pm Zombie Shane

      > “overpaid underlaid phd-bags ‘inform’ them of such nuggets”

      What’s almost beyond terrifying is if The Frankfurt School already knew of these effects from Their studies in the psychiatric institutions [and from Their advertising and marketing research for the the mercantilist world].

      Or whether these effects are simply a very pleasant [and welcomed] surprise for Them, and are allowing Them to rewrite Their timetables so that They are now accomplishing Their goals years [or even decades] before They thought that They would be able to.

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  14. on May 22, 2014 at 3:39 pm Mr. Roach

    This accords with my experience with actual people. When everyone is white and middle class–as in many suburbs–kids go out of their way to distinguish themselves. Some may be the “jocks” or “goths” or whomever. Creativity will flourish as a way to individualize oneself.

    In the hood, not so much. Everyone talks, dresses, and thinks the same, listens to same music, etc. I’m always happy when I meet a black person who has done something unique and against type like study German or listen to classical music or whatever.

    I’m not sure diversity is the issue, though, as we see this even among blacks living around a ton of white people. White culture is, quite frankly, simply better and more individualistic in a positive way. It must learn, however, not to be suicidally anti-tribal when dealing with tribal people.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 4:26 pm cynthia

      Part of the problem with black culture is that it’s desperate to not be white. But since almost every aspect of American culture is white (ie, derived from European Judeo-Christian societies), blacks end up pigeon-holing themselves. They can’t grow out of their narrow world because to grow out of it, in any direction, would be to become “white.”

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      • on May 22, 2014 at 5:50 pm Zombie Shane

        > “American culture is white… Christian societies…”

        Did you read the Amren article?

        http://www.amren.com/features/2014/05/confessions-of-a-public-defender/

        “Black women have great faith in God, but they have a twisted understanding of His role. They do not pray for strength or courage. They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs. One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery.”

        Blacks pray to a tribalistic God – axing Him to smite their enemies – exactly the same way that Jews pray.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 4:25 am cynthia

        Yeah, they have a warped view of what God and religion are (or at least, what Christianity is). It’s basically pagan – prayers in one side, favors and prezzies out the other.

        What I meant by my comment is that American culture is derived from places like Germany, England, Scandinavia, Italy, etc. It’s a shame we abandoned the term “Christendom,” because that’s really more accurate than saying “the West” when describing ourselves.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 6:27 am bob

        I’m pretty sure it has never been judeo-christian, because the two don’t go together very well (euphemism). We moved away from tribalism (judaism) towards universality (Christianity) a while ago now. This “judeo-christianism” is yet another jewish lie.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:33 am thwack

        Let me refine this for you cynthia

        “Part of the problem with prisoner culture is that they are desperate to not turn into a guard. But since almost every aspect of prison culture is guard culture (ie, derived from white supremacy), prisoners end up pigeon-holing themselves. They can’t grow out of their narrow world because to grow out of it, in any direction, would be to become a guard.”

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 12:21 pm leeminh0

        Christendom would include races and cultures such as Philippines, Timor in Asia and Mexico ,Peru in Latin America or South Africa or Ethiopia in Africa, so

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 10:23 pm Neecy

      Crabs in a barrel.

      Spiders in a group.

      It’s all the same

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 5:09 am thwack

      Why do you hafta make everything about race?

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  15. on May 22, 2014 at 3:41 pm Anonymous

    Some of these asserts do seem like “common sense” but I still find it difficult to fully stomach the sweeping generalizations about humanity based on a study regarding spiders.

    Hells, animals closer to us on the evolutionary tree have vastly nuanced behavior patterns (see: Chimps, bonobos).

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  16. on May 22, 2014 at 3:53 pm Troubadour

    Interesting on so many levels. I ended up stuck in my home town, where my personality developed. Free daycare is a hard offer to refuse.

    It really is one of the biggest hurdles I have. Go to a gas station, everybody knows my last name, because everybody knows my wife, and they know her last time. The same gas station where I was hitting on a girl the day before. That gets awkward, but it’s manageable. So people talk. I have to deal with it.

    It can be done, it’s just very hard.

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  17. on May 22, 2014 at 4:32 pm mavwreck

    In other words, the diversity that really matters — diversity of thought and personality — flourishes in less racially diverse environs.

    I don’t see how the article supports this conclusion, CH. The article says nothing about group uniformity – it only speaks about group consistency. That is, it doesn’t say anything about how similar the members were before the group formed. It only says that, if the group stays together for a long time, the members’ personalities become more distinctive.

    To follow your metaphor – conformity isn’t induced by being in a hipster enclave; it’s induced by moving there.

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  18. on May 22, 2014 at 4:43 pm elmer

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  19. on May 22, 2014 at 5:03 pm reco

    Latest Update
    Not sure where to proceed with this. So last time I reported three days ago things did not go well with my 33YOPrude. She did not show. Evidently trying to manipulate me into being her provider which I am not going to do. So following the plan of the sages on her like yareally and HABD and walwala I was to hang tight and wait for her to come to me. She would text me and then when she did do a text about how she is having so many problems and we should wait to get together when she is gets squared away. Well she texted me twice. On Tuesday a smiley face and then a hope you are having a great day. I am assuming this was to lure me into a new conversation down the beta rathole of leading me to pick her up for a lame date. I did not bite. Stayed quiet and there has been no texts either way. I would have assumed that she would have texted me by now. She always has in the past. But it appears we are in a war of wills. So here I sit.

    What would be the next step? Just wait for her to text? Open her again and try to reengage? I know it has only been a few days. Not sure what the protocol is here.

    Also on the 40YONurse front. I think that either she is not into me anymore like she has met someone else or she is testing me also. This one has been much more simple from the start. She was much less of a game player than the 33YO. But I did meet her in my beta mode and changed to a more reformed beta/alpha midstream. So maybe that has her confused with pigeonholing me? I don’t know. We met two weeks ago for first time sex and it was awesome. Lots of banging lots of orgasms squirting and everything she was very emphatic about how much she liked it and wanted to meet soon. However the next week she had her kid get sick on the day of the meet and we had to cancel. She wanted to reschedule and make it up to me. We do not text a lot so I figured no big deal. However when we did text it starts out good and fizzled she just dropped the interaction. So I figured I am not going to chase I will just wait. 5 days go by and nothing. So I figured I would reengage today to set something up. Here is the text exchange:

    Me: There is a dude in the airport down here in —-…keeps looking at me…I think he’s a spy 9:05 AM (credit walawala good opener)
    Her: What did u do? R u a criminal 9:07 AM
    Her: Turned traitor? Lol 9:08 AM
    Me: Lol…you know I am dangerous 9:08 AM
    Her: Yup that’s why he’s scoping you. He’s got a camera on you 9:09 AM
    Me: I bet you sent him…checking me out 9:10 AM
    Me: Gonna be back in —– friday evening…lets get together 9:13 AM
    Her: Standby in docs office 9:14 AM (drops the conversation)

    That was it. Nothing else. Did I do this right? Is there something else I should have done? I am not chasing. I am not being needy. She as a lot on her plate single mom with three kids. No husband or father. But just dropping text convos twice seems like a shit test to me. I know now that I should not have initiated this at work. Tactical error. Any other advice. Am I being too impatient and needy here?

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 6:09 pm YaReally

      @reco
      “Just wait for her to text?”

      Keep waiting. Think in weeks, not days. This is the hardest thing for guys to wrap their heads around. A girl can ignore you for a month and know you’ll still be there waiting for her when she decides to allow you her attention. A guy freaks out after a few days “OMG WHAT IF ITS OVER!!!!” lol Give it a week or two. She’s not going to go chase some other guy (except to make you jealous), you’re the highest-value guy around her.

      “However when we did text it starts out good and fizzled she just dropped the interaction.”

      Maybe she was cleaning up her kid’s puke or getting her vagina waxed, who knows lol She likes you, she wants to reschedule, you guys don’t normally txt much anyway. Trust your value.

      That’s really the key, you have to trust that you are high-value to these women. You have to really believe and accept it.

      “5 days go by and nothing.”

      Has 5 day of no txt from her gone by before? You said you don’t txt eachother much. If you’ve gone 4+ days without hearing from her before, quit worrying about it lol not every girl is gonna’ be banging on your door nightly after you bang her. She’s probably got a lot of shit going on is all…that’s probably why she doesn’t txt much in general, she doesn’t have time to maintain a relationship or shoot the shit over txts all night, she has *3 KIDS* one of them who’s sick enough that she’s in the doctor’s office during your last txt convo.

      She just wants to be able to, in a couple weeks, go “hey, my kid’s away at band camp this weekend, are you free?” and get laid lol View her as probably a 2x a month max lay, not a weekly or more lay.

      “But just dropping text convos twice seems like a shit test to me.”

      Nah, not everyone txts the same. I usually say “k gotta go do such and such now peace” and a girl actually txted me “I don’t do goodye txts” like, to let me know that she just drops txt conversations when she has shit to do (and picks them up whenever, if at all), like she isn’t going to coddle me and hug me goodbye and tell me where she’s off to and what she can’t continue the conversation.

      This girl doesn’t txt much to begin with so that fits her personality, to just abruptly end conversations to deal with her shit. She’s not a starry-eyed 19yo sitting in her bedroom txting boys and Facebooking all night lol

      “Am I being too impatient and needy here?”

      Ya, chill out lol. Trust your value. 33yo is just trying to get you into her frame but she’ll cave, it’ll just take a while because you helped build her princess frame up solid so now you have to undo that (VS never getting sucked into that frame to begin with). 40yo is just busy with 3 kids and work and doctor’s appointments and shit and isn’t a big txt’er to begin with.

      Radio silence for the 33yo till Monday minimum, even if she offers to hang out. She’s being punished right now and it’s bugging her, that’s why she’s sending feeler txts. She’ll go through her rolodex trying to get her attention, you can txt her next week sometime.

      No txting 40yo, she’ll txt you when she’s finally free, probably in a week or so.

      Congrats, you just eliminated the time sink of having to txt 2 girls, now you can use that time to accomplish life stuff or find more girls. 🙂 It’s all win/win when you reframe it that way lol

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 4:55 am walawala

      @reco

      Thanks for that shout out.

      I’ll share the text chat I just had with girl I’m gaming. She’s 28. I met her last week. I added her on FB, started gaming her online. Suggested a drink. She was keen. Then we couldn’t agree on logistics. I suggested Thursday night. She suggested THursday early. I said Sunday. Radio silence for 4 days.

      So I do the “Push text”—I don’t know what to call this.

      Me: “hey, just realized I can’t meet tonight. weekend. How’s Sunday?

      she replies within 40 minutes….

      “Her: i’m on a biz trip sunday. let’s confirm a time when i’m back then

      Me: K

      I’ve started to realize chasing chicks or following up is needy.

      This “push text” got a response. It’s not ideal but give me a sense that the ball is in her court to re-engage.

      Or if I see her I can move towards converting this to a meeting.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 6:29 am bob

      “On Tuesday a smiley face and then a hope you are having a great day. I am assuming this was to lure me into a new conversation down the beta rathole of leading me to pick her up for a lame date. I did not bite. Stayed quiet and there has been no texts either way. I would have assumed that she would have texted me by now. She always has in the past. But it appears we are in a war of wills. So here I sit. ”

      Or maybe the “prude” needs comfort before going further with you? You are antagonising her way too much.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 3:49 pm theasdgamer

      Spin another plate. Quit worrying about the prude. Maybe she’ll show or not, no big deal.

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  20. on May 22, 2014 at 5:04 pm reco

    @yareally by the way never saw that long comment with the plan…any chance of reviving that brother?

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 5:56 pm Zombie Shane

      1) The more plates you are spinning, the less you will care about any single one of them.

      2) What do you want out of 33YOPrude? Just to drop your seed in her and then move on? She might actually be a fairly nice girl who wants to have children.

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    • on May 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm YaReally

      @reco
      Negative, I don’t really save my posts. Unlock it, pretty pretty please mods? lol

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  23. on May 22, 2014 at 6:18 pm whorefinder

    Happy Memorial Day rape, y’all!

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  24. on May 22, 2014 at 9:03 pm Libertardian

    http://f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/988883/1

    19 yo college student: doing porn with fat bald slugs, then swallowing a load of triple-aught buckshot >>>>>>>> marrying one of the betas who crawled around after her in HS.

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  25. on May 22, 2014 at 10:37 pm Ronin

    Re:
    Part 1: Anyone who went to schools with uniforms can also confirm the post’s study results.

    Part 2: Travel can Definitely turn you into a different person. Sometimes you even end-up surprising yourself.

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  26. on May 22, 2014 at 11:16 pm Will

    Last (but interesting) update from the girl I’ve bitched about:

    So basically it’s been a long and veryyy odd road with this girl. I.e. Hangout/fuck then radio silence until the next time for 1-2-3 weeks and I’ve taken one large break. She basically knows I’m hung up on her (fml I thought I was playing it aloof) but nothing on her bday or vday or anything (she hit me up on vday with a playful text I didn’t respond). She’s younger than me in college. To the point:

    I took her to the “extra ticket” (how I framed it) great hockey seats and we got drunk and went home and fucked etc etc. then radio silence through now (almost 2 weeks); which is somewhat normal (I guess) for us.

    BUT i realize this is a red flag obviously b/c I FUCKED UP and basically covertly communicated she’s my top and possibly only girl that I’ve been seeing this whole time (aka beta loser) which may or may not be true in her mind (emotionally this made her feel it tho) I have kept somewhat tight game with this girl tho I promise.

    ANYWAYS I’m POSITIVE she is texting and probably hooking up with a guy here and there (most likely not fucking b/c I was veryyyy high status when we met and she took like 2 or 3 times until we did.)

    Here’s the thing. I knowww she is texting and seeing this one guy, let’s call him “bob”. “Bob” is younger and not as informed with game as me b/c he just doesn’t have the resources or experiences yet. Let’s say he is probably a guy who will get her clothes off and that’s about it

    BUT after I fucked up and pedastalized this girl by taking her to the hockey game (1-1 when she might’ve even thought we were going with a group) it’s almost like she switched to this younger dude who sorta just had this I don’t care boring mono-face about it obviously not taking her to little snacks and breakfasts etc. ALMOST POSITIVE this guy has not come close to having sex with this girl tho and that’s why he’s not drowning too bad. I have had rough sex with her probably 40+ times.

    But anyways shes now texting and teasing him more and probably hooking up (no sex) with him b/c my super beta move made me look like I CARE more. WHICH I actually intended it for her antislut defense but it brutally backfired.

    Anyways basically now it’s radio silence. and I’m sure as hell not initiating anything.

    I WANT THE PROS AND EXPERIENCED ONES TO TELL ME HOW TO GET THIS GIRL BACK IN LINE AND molding her to fit my ideal “plate” (b/c I’m gonna start to be a plate spinner as I know is the only way to be in this market). Give me some game plans.is this even possible? Thoughts.

    Thinking this:
    Radio silence forever until she initiates. IF she does, wait a night then NEG her and playful respond via the text she sends.

    IF she “suggests” or mentions something even close to getting together i will deny. And suggest “maybe Wednesday”…Wednesday rolls by—> then I flake and then ONLY THEN if she initiates again I will make her come to me to hang. Then brutally fuck her no cuddling.

    Detailed plans to get this one right?

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  27. on May 23, 2014 at 12:28 am Will

    @yareally
    Last update (but an interesting and important one) from the girl I’ve bitched about and I know I’ve posted before just hear me out on this last post:

    Basically this relationship with this girl has been very odd. It’s been fucking/hanging out then radio silence every 1-2-3 weeks with one large break in between for 12 months. Sidenote is I’m decent in bed with a talked about body (athletic—my body gets me sex appeal not my face). Anyways did nothing on her b-day, vday (she playful 1 word texted I ignored), Christmas etc. nothing. And we;ve actually done maybe a few outdoorsy activities (but then fucking—literally fucked every single time we’ve hung out). Quick note—she has stopped mid hood up and asked ‘what I need from her’ and ‘are you seeing anyone else’ which I agreed and amp’ed as shit tests. Anyways to the interesting stuff. Keep in mind she is a very high smv 8.5-9 blonde—probably second hottest girl at the party, not a slut, and guys are texting her and inviting her to everything:

    ANYWAYS, it’s been about 2 weeks now of radio silence since I took her to the “extra tickets” (I framed them day-of that someone gave me ‘extra’ tix) sweeeet seats at the hockey game.

    Now I ruthlessly FUCKED up by doing this. This is b/c I basically covertly communicated that she is my top/best girl, and that it might even be true that she is the only girl I’ve been getting sex with all this time (who knows but this is what she now FEELS). Wow, I feel like an idiot. What I should’ve done when I got these tickets was take a different girl and show off covertly to this top girl that I took another girl–> that way it would covertly communicate ‘you need to work more to please me’ (i.e. jealousy/dread tactic). BUT I was intending this to be directed toward helping any sort of anti-slut defense for having been fucking for so long with no huge amount of rapport/emotion. It basically backfired though i’m afraid.

    I’m finally starting to get everything a little more now—It just sucks it has to be on such a high smv chick.

    So now to the tricky part. I know she is obviously texting other guys and most likely hooked up with a few here and there (but most likely not sex. I know this b/c when we first met I was verrrry high status to her and she made it wait after 2 or 3 times. Anyways, I know for a fact one guy she is texted is a beta and just doesn’t have the experiences or insight yet on game to understand any of this—I can tell. Let’s just call him ‘Bob’. She texts, hangouts, and parties with Bob and he is a guy who can prob get her clothes off then nothing more (my best guess in all honesty).

    BUT now that I’ve FUCKED up by basically pedestalizing her she has pulled more towards him b/c he’s had this kind of mono-face I don’t care attitude partly b/c she hasn’t sexed him and I FUCKING PEDESTALIZED her with my sweet seats. SOO she seems to now be playing it up a little more with him (also prob b/c he probably got a new girl b/c she was playing too hard). So basically now she wants to steal his attention back which she probably will b/c this guy is beta.

    For the experts and more experienced ones who have maybe even been through this…how do you snap this girl back into line as a spinning plate so I can mold her to the right girl? Maybe looking for definitive plans from @yareally. For some reason I feel like I am at the line of no return. Was this a death sentence? It’s hard to read b/c radio silence has been normal like this but i’ve just never pulled such a pedestalization on her.

    Thinking about this all makes me want to puke.

    My plan is this: radio silence forever, unless she initiates in which I respond a day later with a neg and playful tease/reponse. IF she even tries to mention something about meeting up—I deny and say ”maybe wednesday”–>and then flake wednesday. Only then if she reinitiates a meet up will I make her come to me.
    And if I unexpected see her I’ll pretend nothing has been wrong and neg/kino playfully flirt with her AFTER I ignore her a little and hit on other girls in front of her.

    Detailed plans would be beneficial. Thoughts

    I never thought doing something fun like a hockey game would have such devastating effects ha.

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  28. on May 23, 2014 at 12:37 am John Alex Clark

    Very informative and a bit surprising. It kinda leads you to question the wisdom behind some people saying that you need to “socialize” and be exposed to all kinds of people in order to develop as a person when this study shows that the complete opposite is actually true.

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  29. on May 23, 2014 at 12:37 am Will

    @yareally
    Last update (but an interesting and important one) from the girl I’ve bitched about and I know I’ve posted before just hear me out on this last post:

    Basically this relationship with this girl has been very odd. It’s been fucking/hanging out then radio silence every 1-2-3 weeks with one large break in between for 12 months. Sidenote is I’m decent in bed with a talked about body (athletic—my body gets me sex appeal not my face). Anyways did nothing on her b-day, vday (she playful 1 word texted I ignored), Christmas etc. nothing. And we;ve actually done maybe a few outdoorsy activities (but then fucking—literally fucked every single time we’ve hung out). Quick note—she has stopped mid hood up and asked ‘what I need from her’ and ‘are you seeing anyone else’ which I agreed and amp’ed as shit tests. Anyways to the interesting stuff. Keep in mind she is a very high smv 8.5-9 blonde—probably second hottest girl at the party, not a slut, and guys are texting her and inviting her to everything:

    ANYWAYS, it’s been about 2 weeks now of radio silence since I took her to the “extra tickets” (I framed them day-of that someone gave me ‘extra’ tix) sweeeet seats at the hockey game.

    Now I ruthlessly FUCKED up by doing this. This is b/c I basically covertly communicated that she is my top/best girl, and that it might even be true that she is the only girl I’ve been getting sex with all this time (who knows but this is what she now FEELS). Wow, I feel like an idiot. What I should’ve done when I got these tickets was take a different girl and show off covertly to this top girl that I took another girl–> that way it would covertly communicate ‘you need to work more to please me’ (i.e. jealousy/dread tactic). BUT I was intending this to be directed toward helping any sort of anti-slut defense for having been fucking for so long with no huge amount of rapport/emotion. It basically backfired though i’m afraid.

    I’m finally starting to get everything a little more now—It just sucks it has to be on such a high smv chick.

    So now to the tricky part. I know she is obviously texting other guys and most likely hooked up with a few here and there (but most likely not sex. I know this b/c when we first met I was verrrry high status to her and she made it wait after 2 or 3 times. Anyways, I know for a fact one guy she is texted is a beta and just doesn’t have the experiences or insight yet on game to understand any of this—I can tell. Let’s just call him ‘Bob’. She texts, hangouts, and parties with Bob and he is a guy who can prob get her clothes off then nothing more (my best guess in all honesty).

    BUT now that I’ve FUCKED up by basically pedestalizing her she has pulled more towards him b/c he’s had this kind of mono-face I don’t care attitude partly b/c she hasn’t sexed him and I FUCKING PEDESTALIZED her with my sweet seats. SOO she seems to now be playing it up a little more with him (also prob b/c he probably got a new girl b/c she was playing too hard). So basically now she wants to steal his attention back which she probably will b/c this guy is beta.

    For the experts and more experienced ones who have maybe even been through this…how do you snap this girl back into line as a spinning plate so I can mold her to the right girl? Maybe looking for definitive plans from @yareally. For some reason I feel like I am at the line of no return. Was this a death sentence? It’s hard to read b/c radio silence has been normal like this but i’ve just never pulled such a pedestalization on her.

    Thinking about this all makes me want to puke.

    My plan is this: radio silence forever, unless she initiates in which I respond a day later with a neg and playful tease/reponse. IF she even tries to mention something about meeting up—I deny and say ”maybe wednesday”–>and then flake wednesday. Only then if she reinitiates a meet up will I make her come to me.
    And if I unexpected see her I’ll pretend nothing has been wrong and neg/kino playfully flirt with her AFTER I ignore her a little and hit on other girls in front of her.

    Detailed plans would be beneficial. Thoughts

    It also feels like i’m trapped now. Like everything this girl sees me do with other girls won’t make her jealous b/c I took her to this sweet game. Ugh. I just had such a great opportunity to make her work more to please me and get her jealous and I fucked it up. I never thought doing something fun like a hockey game would have such devastating effects ha.

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  30. on May 23, 2014 at 1:28 am Will

    @yareally
    Last update (but an interesting and important one) from the girl I’ve bitched about and I know I’ve posted before just hear me out on this last post:

    Basically this relationship with this girl has been very odd. It’s been fucking/hanging out then radio silence every 1-2-3 weeks with one large break in between for 12 months. Sidenote is I’m decent in bed with a talked about body (athletic—my body gets me sex appeal not my face)–and she has asked ‘what I want from her’ and ‘are u seeing anyone else consistently’ which I aa’ed as shit tests. AND she has taken me to a sporting event a little time ago. Anyways did nothing on her b-day, vday (she playful 1 word texted I ignored), Christmas etc. nothing. And we;ve actually done maybe a few outdoorsy activities (but then fucking—literally fucked every single time we’ve hung out). Quick note—she has stopped mid hood up and asked ‘what I need from her’ and ‘are you seeing anyone else’ which I agreed and amp’ed as shit tests. Anyways to the interesting stuff. Keep in mind she is a very high smv 8.5-9 blonde—probably second hottest girl at the party, not a slut, and guys are texting her and inviting her to everything:

    ANYWAYS, it’s been about 2 weeks now of radio silence since I took her to the “extra tickets” (I framed them day-of that someone gave me ‘extra’ tix) sweeeet seats at the hockey game.

    Now I ruthlessly FUCKED up by doing this. This is b/c I basically covertly communicated that she is my top/best girl, and that it might even be true that she is the only girl I’ve been getting sex with all this time (who knows but this is what she now FEELS). Wow, I feel like an idiot. What I should’ve done when I got these tickets was take a different girl and show off covertly to this top girl that I took another girl–> that way it would covertly communicate ‘you need to work more to please me’ (i.e. jealousy/dread tactic). BUT I was intending this to be directed toward helping any sort of anti-slut defense for having been fucking for so long with no huge amount of rapport/emotion. It basically backfired though i’m afraid.

    I’m finally starting to get everything a little more now—It just sucks it has to be on such a high smv chick.

    So now to the tricky part. I know she is obviously texting other guys and most likely hooked up with a few here and there (but most likely not sex. I know this b/c when we first met I was verrrry high status to her and she made it wait after 2 or 3 times. Anyways, I know for a fact one guy she is texted is a beta and just doesn’t have the experiences or insight yet on game to understand any of this—I can tell. Let’s just call him ‘Bob’. She texts, hangouts, and parties with Bob and he is a guy who can prob get her clothes off then nothing more (my best guess in all honesty).

    BUT now that I’ve FUCKED up by basically pedestalizing her she has pulled more towards him b/c he’s had this kind of mono-face I don’t care attitude partly b/c she hasn’t sexed him and I FUCKING PEDESTALIZED her with my sweet seats. SOO she seems to now be playing it up a little more with him (also prob b/c he probably got a new girl b/c she was playing too hard). So basically now she wants to steal his attention back which she probably will b/c this guy is beta.

    For the experts and more experienced ones who have maybe even been through this…how do you snap this girl back into line as a spinning plate so I can mold her to the right girl? Maybe looking for definitive plans from @yareally. For some reason I feel like I am at the line of no return. Was this a death sentence? It’s hard to read b/c radio silence has been normal like this but i’ve just never pulled such a pedestalization on her.

    Thinking about this all makes me want to puke.

    My plan is this: radio silence forever, unless she initiates in which I respond a day later with a neg and playful tease/reponse. IF she even tries to mention something about meeting up—I deny and say ”maybe wednesday”–>and then flake wednesday. Only then if she reinitiates a meet up will I make her come to me.
    And if I unexpected see her I’ll pretend nothing has been wrong and neg/kino playfully flirt with her AFTER I ignore her a little and hit on other girls in front of her.

    Detailed plans would be beneficial. Thoughts

    It also feels like i’m trapped now. Like everything this girl sees me do with other girls won’t make her jealous b/c I took her to this sweet game. Ugh. I just had such a great opportunity to make her work more to please me and get her jealous and I fucked it up. I never thought doing something fun like a hockey game would have such devastating effects ha.

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  31. on May 23, 2014 at 4:47 am Spiders, Diversity, And Seduction, Oh My | Trut...

    […] You may not think a study of social spiders would have anything to say about such disparate topics as racial diversity and pickup, but that’s just because you haven’t taken a fistful of shrooms and gone on a vision quest.  […]

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  32. on May 23, 2014 at 6:29 am reco

    @yareally thanks brother for the perspective. Once again you are right. 40YOnurse contacted me this morning with a huge text about all the family issues she is dealing with and she has to take care of. So I just responded back with ok…you have your hands full…just give me a call when things settle down. That kind of follows your advice. Sometimes I just need to settle down. And not take this so seriously. Even though I have spinning plates. I still seem to have a scarcity mentality.

    Oh well admitting it and knowing it are the first steps. I guess you cant get rid of 50 years of conditioning in a few weeks. If you have any suggestions on how to change this mindset I am all ears. Thanks.

    @walwala…thanks dude I always learn from your stuff.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 7:40 am YaReally

      @reco
      “Once again you are right. 40YOnurse contacted me this morning with a huge text about all the family issues she is dealing with and she has to take care of. ”

      lol figured. Women’s timeline is often a lot slower than men because sex is abundant for them, not scarce. So a poor guy might look at an opportunity to make some money and go “I want this money bad, I will do whatever it takes to get this ASAP, i will stay awake for 3 nights and not waste time eating food or going to the bathroom to get this money” and fight tooth ‘n nail for it. But a rich dude might see that same opportunity and go “That money would be nice, it would be cool if I got it at some point, we’ll see what happens I guess, I have a lot going on right now that makes it kind of inconvenient but hopefully it’s still available when I’m more free”

      “So I just responded back with ok…you have your hands full…just give me a call when things settle down.”

      Solid. Just make sure it’s a friendly “that’s cool no worries” txt VS an “I don’t hang with drama chicks, figure your shit out” vibe with this one. Like both responses are communicating essentially the same end result (her contacting you when she’s ready to bang) but 33YO and 26YO get the dickish version because they’re being bratty, and this one is cool just legit busy so she gets the chill version. Make sense?

      Again a big part of girls coming back to me, esp after they blow me off because they get a boyfriend for a few months or whatever, is that I’m like lol whatever it’s all good, keep my number incase things don’t work out and I let them know that they can always feel free to txt me up down the road. I’m not bitter or going to hold it against them or anything.

      I look at it kind of like how I figure Hef would view it, like oh okay you go off and handle your shit and I hope it works out for you, but if not you’re always welcome back at the mansion.

      Some guys will get butthurt over girls not being able to make time for them (“wtf I’m high-value she should see that, I need validation because my self-esteem is built on a shaky foundation and crumbles and makes me butthurt if a girl isn’t constantly chasing me…I’mma next that bitch and tell my buddies how cool I am for telling her to fuck off!”) but people have lives to deal with and I’m just offering sex on the side when it’s convenient and fun for them.

      I have and can get other girls so if it takes her a month to sort out her life and schedule where she can make time for us to bang, that’s cool, I’m having fun in the meantime and I won’t hold it against her that she had to flake a couple times if those flakes are legit life stuff and not just her being a brat and testing me.

      “Oh well admitting it and knowing it are the first steps. I guess you cant get rid of 50 years of conditioning in a few weeks.”

      Keep reminding yourself of this lol You are doing awesome. I’m only heavily critiquing your shit because you actually take the advice and apply it and are clearly attempting to learn and handle this stuff so I know it’ll help you. But realistically you are making ridiculous progress, esp for an older guy. Like, you’re hitting this shit harder than a lot of guys my age that I know who are just dicking around and not really making an effort.

      You’re going to be living an entirely different life a year from now that you can’t even imagine right now, if you keep this kind of effort up lol

      “If you have any suggestions on how to change this mindset I am all ears.”

      You’re doing it. 🙂 Like you say, you’re unwiring 50 years of bad conditioning and bad habits and bad mindsets that society brainwashed you with. There’s no “oh just flip this switch and by Monday your mindset will be rock solid”. You are gonna’ slip up a ton and revert back into old mindsets etc. Game is reference experiences…you have 50 years of bad mindset reference experiences, you need to gather a ton of good mindset reference experiences to cancel those out. That’s why we make guys go out and actually mack on girls and stuff, because you can’t learn this stuff just reading at your keyboard, you have to go out and push some buttons and see “oh, okay, this happened like they said, and now I execute this and hey I got that result I was hoping for and the explanation I read makes sense for why that happened” and store that reference experience away in your brain.

      Keep going, you’re doing awesome lol

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 9:23 am having a bad day

        i just want to ping off this bc i think it’s an important point.

        “Like you say, you’re unwiring 50 years of bad conditioning and bad habits and bad mindsets that society brainwashed you with. There’s no “oh just flip this switch and by Monday your mindset will be rock solid”. You are gonna’ slip up a ton and revert back into old mindsets etc. Game is reference experiences…you have 50 years of bad mindset reference experiences, you need to gather a ton of good mindset reference experiences to cancel those out.”

        this is very true.

        for me everything sort of coalesced last year over one weekend. it was strange but my experience had everything CH talks about – civilization building beta behavior, alpha/beta, SWPL status whoring, game, etc – everything lined up…and my predictions were 100% accurate (and i was able to make both blue pill and red pill outcome predictions…) it was actually fun and puke-inducing at the same time. it was the point where i finally just ‘accepted’ that red pill reality was true and there was NO GOING BACK. before that, even though everything i tried/tested lined up with red pill expectations, i always had one foot on the dock…so to speak…lol…

        i think a lot of the bitterness of that red pill and why it’s so hard to choke down is that we don’t want this shit to be true…it’s really hard to realize that all those years that we wasted, all that hand-holding, best-friend, romantic ideals stuff that we were sold are just a bunch of crap…it really is hard to get over the idea that we were lied to. it creates a lot of animosity towards women…

        but then i finally realized that women don’t see this stuff either. OR especially…like CH stated in a recent post – female self awareness is maladaptive to reproductive competition. so, girls don’t get red pill reality any more than the worst beta chode…

        for girls that discrepancy between their blue pill narrative (of how society works) and their red pill reality ends up as their view of themselves as a special snowflake…bc “of course any woman would loooove you, you’re such a nice guy…just not me…i don’t know why, i love you but i’m not in love with you”…blah, blah, blah…lol…

        i think the hardest part of the red pill knowledge is dealing with day-to-day interactions with blue-pillers. it’s hard to just go along with that viewpoint, but not have time/energy/inclination to intervene and try to change their mind…so it really is like being in the matrix…

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 7:58 am AlephMale

      Excellent work. Learning to do this 6 years ago(at age 25) was one of the major steps in my transformation. Unproductive texting is one of the major traps modern men need to look out for. I had all sorts of girls texting me about their feeeelings and thought I was making progress with them when in fact they viewed me as an asexual emotional tampon.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:30 am YaReally

        “I had all sorts of girls texting me about their feeeelings and thought I was making progress with them when in fact they viewed me as an asexual emotional tampon.”

        lol I literally got a txt the other day from a fuckbuddy saying “I need some guy advice” and I just sent her back “go with the red dress, it’s sluttier” and she’s like “lol you’re soooo wise thanks”. Didn’t end up finding out what she wanted advice about and don’t really care ’cause I’m sure it wasn’t a big deal and she figured it out on her own or asked other guys for their advice on why Jenny at work is such a bitch etc. lol

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm theasdgamer

        YaReally, I can’t be bothered with all the chick bs. My wife asked me if I asked about some crap she wanted to know about some other chick and I told her “no.” Her reply? “You’re such a man.” lolz

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 8:43 am having a bad day

      @reco

      “I am assuming this was to lure me into a new conversation down the beta rathole of leading me to pick her up for a lame date. I did not bite. Stayed quiet and there has been no texts either way.”

      see how much you’ve learned already!…lol

      ” I would have assumed that she would have texted me by now. She always has in the past. But it appears we are in a war of wills. So here I sit.”

      welcome to one more page in her rolodex…lol…

      “What would be the next step? Just wait for her to text? Open her again and try to reengage? I know it has only been a few days. Not sure what the protocol is here.”

      wait…wait…and wait some more…lol…and spin more plates…lol.

      your only options are 1) ‘wait’ (just a note on the ‘wait’ idea…waiting = beta bc you’re still in her frame/reacting to her frame…you’re not technically ‘waiting’… you just don’t have time to entertain her silly girl drama bc you are too busy spinning up that victoria secret’s model training school…lol) or 2) beta white knight chaser (with all that baggage and nooo sex…lol)…

      actually, the reality of the ‘waiting’ is that you dug yourself into a hole by rewarding her beta baiting rolodex plays ‘enough’ for her to see that you were starting to slip into her frame. now, what you are doing isn’t so much ‘waiting’ (at least in the sense that you mean it) as it is letting her ‘reset’ her behavior patterns/reward expectations by NOT reacting to her rolodex script, to allow her behavior patterns to extinguish and for you to set/hold the frame as you = alpha stud.

      on 40yonurse…nice reopen!…fun/playful…not needy…good job! texting during work hours isn’t always a tactical error. it’s ok if you are trying to set something up for that same night. how else would you do that? and still give her time to get a sitter/make arrangements? i think what YaReally was saying about not texting during the day is that she won’t have time (or the right head space) to get sexual/flirty (as the goal itself) while she’s at work. so as long as you’re just arranging a meet up it’s ok (and doing THAT in a flirty way is the best way to go there…lol) so good job on that!

      this situ with the 40yonurse is the best outcome for you (and for her…lol). couple times a month…no strings…great hassle free sex…what’s not to love…lol…just accept that alphas get this kind of stuff all the time. you’re over thinking it in a beta conditioned way. it’s really NOT supposed to be that hard to get laid…lol…(and it’s not…lol). women looove sex…with men they are attracted to = alpha stud…

      contrast this 40yonurse “easy, whenever she’s available” type of arrangement with your 33yoprude situ…THAT’s the difference between alpha and beta right there…lol…and understand that the 33yoprude situ is just a ‘perception change’ (by her) away from having that same ‘easy, whenever she’s available’ type situ also…that’s the WHY behind ‘waiting’…lol…you’re changing her (33yoprude) perception of you from beta white knight wannabe to alpha stud. and it’s going to take some time bc you already rewarded her rolodex script a couple of times…lol…

      just a note on that…changing 33yoprude’s perception is going to take more effort (waiting longer…) bc of the idea of intermittent reinforcement reward scheduling. that’s the most powerful reinforcement schedule for rewarding behaviors (like slot machine payouts). and it’s the goal for you to be able to reward her behaviors that you want to keep. but you’re not there yet…

      now, you are extinguishing her behaviors that you don’t want…by not reacting/giving her attention/rewarding…you rewarded her beta baiting gambits on several occasions, but not consistently enough to establish a fix pattern. so she’s going to try to run through her rolodex several times to see if you bite on anything. that means it’s going to take longer and if you do make a mistake and ‘go beta’ even once, she’ll be that much harder to spin up into a producing plate. def worth the pursuit, even for the practice…lol…but climbing out of that hole is going to take some time…

      “Am I being too impatient and needy here?”

      too impatient = yes…needy = no…you just have to learn to trust the process…

      “I guess you cant get rid of 50 years of conditioning in a few weeks. If you have any suggestions on how to change this mindset I am all ears.”

      that’s true. it takes some time and some success in applying this new knowledge. you’ve had some success already. now, you just need to translate ‘timing issues’ into your red pill knowledge base. a lot of alpha/beta differences are based on timing…if you waaaiiiit (a couple beats) to respond to a question/comment, and just let the silence hang there = alpha..if you jump right in with your response almost before the other person is done talking = beta…same actual response but different perceptions, all due to timing. apply that idea to texting…

      best suggestion = keep doing what you’re doing…lol…you’re doing great! you’ve made a ton of progress. all that hard work is paying off…great job!

      now, give us the FR on that red head…lol…

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 12:32 pm YaReally

        @reco @having a bad day
        “now, what you are doing isn’t so much ‘waiting’ (at least in the sense that you mean it) as it is letting her ‘reset’ her behavior patterns/reward expectations by NOT reacting to her rolodex script, to allow her behavior patterns to extinguish and for you to set/hold the frame as you = alpha stud.”

        This is an important point.

        I describe it to guys who are having trouble waiting like this:

        You can only initiate, say, twice, with her not responding to you or her flaking on you, before you look like a chump/loser chasing her.

        Say she hasn’t responded in a couple days but you KNOW she likes you.

        You can send a txt on day 3 but now you only have one txt left. What if she doesn’t respond to that txt because she’s still in whatever bratty/taking-you-for-granted state she was in a few days ago? So you send the 2nd txt a week later and she txts one reply then stops txting for a few days. Now you’ve blown your whole load, emptied your clip, and you can’t re-initiate with her again or you might as well just wear a hat that says Orbiter Chode.

        Now let’s stretch that out exaggerated…say she doesn’t respond for a couple days but you KNOW she likes you. So you wait a MONTH to txt her. Radio silent for a freaking month on her. She is DAMN well going to respond to you. But say she still flakes on you or she doesn’t play along right away and you just stop txting her again. Then you wait like 6 MONTHS to txt her that 2nd txt. The whole time she’s stressing how she fucked it up and she can’t seem to get your attention and she’s given up and crying herself to sleep and maybe dating some loser chode who’s not nearly the man you were to her…then after that 6 months boom her phone lights up with a txt from you. You think she’s gonna’ ignore that txt? Fuuuuck no. She will be like “OMG CAN I PLZ MEET UP WITH U AND SUCK UR DICK PLZ PLZ PLZ DON’T LEAVE ME AGAIN”

        That’s why I say think in terms of weeks, not days, because you can’t initiate every week. There are going to be times where she tries going silent on you (that’s a move in her rolodex just like guilting you or begging you or threatening you etc.). You can’t react to that every time by freaking out after a few days and trying to re-initiate. It makes you look like a chode with nothing else going on and it teaches her “if you want my attention, ignore me for a few days” so she’ll just increase that behavior.

        If you ignored 33YO for a month, and I’m not saying you should, but if you DID, like total radio silence on her…you could almost literally just txt “hey. Come to Restaurant Saturday at 8pm. I want to see you.” out of the blue and she would throw a huge fuss txting you back and you could completely ignore her and stay radio silent and she should show up at Restaurant Saturday at 8pm lol

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm YaReally

        “contrast this 40yonurse “easy, whenever she’s available” type of arrangement with your 33yoprude situ…THAT’s the difference between alpha and beta right there…lol…and understand that the 33yoprude situ is just a ‘perception change’ (by her) away from having that same ‘easy, whenever she’s available’ type situ also…that’s the WHY behind ‘waiting’…lol…you’re changing her (33yoprude) perception of you from beta white knight wannabe to alpha stud. and it’s going to take some time bc you already rewarded her rolodex script a couple of times…lol…”

        This is also important. This is why walawala was getting fucked over. He’d react to his clusterB’s rolodex and she would suck him right back in and then it would just reenforce her view of him as beta chasing her even MORE because he was almost out and then caved at the last second over and over. That’s why at first I was like “this could take a few weeks or a month” and then by the end I was like “dude this is going to take you literally a YEAR of waiting her out now because you keep doing shit like this” lol It’s just tacking on more time for her to “reset” and have her perception change and there’s a point where it never will.

        “a lot of alpha/beta differences are based on timing…if you waaaiiiit (a couple beats) to respond to a question/comment, and just let the silence hang there = alpha..if you jump right in with your response almost before the other person is done talking = beta…same actual response but different perceptions, all due to timing. apply that idea to texting…”

        Visual example of this (good and bad versions):

        I txt frequently and respond right away most of the time, but I’ll leave conversations unexpectedly without saying goodbye and sometimes I’ll ignore her txt entirely etc. I also don’t respond to gay txts where she’s bitching about work and stuff.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 2:58 pm Reco

        Guys thanks for the input. There is so much to learn. It’s good to know I am making progress. So I will hang tight take the weekend off and start back at it on Tuesday. No word on the redhead I have been out of town. It may be another week before I get to her. But I will take a shot at it. Lol hell she is 24 I believe sweet girl very mellow.

        On another note my travels take me to some cities that have many very hot Latinas. And today I had a lunch under the pretense of business that turned a little sexy. She is a 45yobrazillian from Rio. Ok head about a 6 but man what an awesome body. She is married but the spark was there. So I think I am going to have to make a trip back down to this city. Lol

        My prediction is that I am going to have to be careful and show her that I am discrete and get her out in an evening meetup. Drinks after work. Hey I am in town want to grab a drink. Get her loosened up. Which should not take too much. Some laughing, some touching, a little comfort. Then hey look here my hotel is right there. Lol

        So maybe a part time fuck toy/spinning plate. Lol

        What an ass. Love love love these Latinas such a refreshing and feminine attitude. They beat american women hands down. They truly appreciate it when a man flirts with them and admires their beauty.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 1:01 pm Grim

      You are correct to feel that 2 “spinning plates” is not enough to keep you happy. A man your age should have a loving wife who wakes up in his bed every morning. Automatic sex every day.

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  33. on May 23, 2014 at 6:49 am M. M.

    OT:

    economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21601486-why-womens-rights-china-are-regressing-pick-and-choose

    .. Under Mao almost all women married, but now the expanding social freedoms of the new century have led more women to remain single, whether by choice or not. That alarms the party, says Ms Fincher. Society, it believes, is more stable with fewer single people. New families, it argues, can drive consumption and the property boom, and if most educated, alpha females are married, then, it believes, better “quality” children will be born.

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  34. on May 23, 2014 at 8:10 am Charlie Don't Surf

    The Spider Games The Fly

    “Will you walk into my parlor?” said the spider to the fly;
    “‘Don’t get comfortable, you’re not staying so don’t try”
    The way to my parlor is up a winding stair,
    And there are no minorities there.”
    “Oh no, no,” said the little fly; “to ask me is in vain,
    Cause once my ASD is up – it’ll ne’er come down again.”

    “I’m sure you must be weary, dear, notch count up so high.
    Will you rest upon my little bed?” said the spider to the fly.
    “I don’t want to get you pregnant – I want you fine and thin,
    And if you like to rest a while, I’ll snugly tuck da cokcas in!”
    “Oh no, no,” said the little fly, “for I’ve often heard it said,
    They never walk quite right again who sleep upon your bed!”

    Said the cunning spider to the fly: “Bitch, what can you do
    To earn the warm alpha affection I’ve got for you?
    I have within my pants 8===D good length for you to fuck;
    I’m sure if you’re very good – I will let you take a suck”
    “Oh yes, yes, yes,” said the little fly; “Alpha creed there be:
    I’ve heard what’s in your pants, and I want the PIV!”

    “Sweet Jesus!” said the spider, “you’re DTF and you’re wise;
    How handsome are your gauzy panties; how brilliant are your eyes!
    I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
    If you’d look up in missionary, dear, you shall behold yourself.”
    “I thank you, gentle sir,” she said, “for what you’re pleased to say,
    And, being an attention seeking whore, I’ll call another day.”

    The spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
    For well he knew the silly fly would soon come back again:
    So he wove a subtle web in a little corner sly,
    And set his bedroom ready to dine upon the fly;
    Then came out to his door again and merrily did sing:
    “Come hither, hither, pretty fly, for a pump-n-dump fling;
    Your clit is pink and purple; there’s a hood upon it’s head;
    My cokcas hard as diamond bright, mine balls heavy as lead!”

    Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little fly,
    Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
    With tingling folds she hung aloft, wetter and wetter grew,
    Thinking only of her vagina – in pink and purple hue,
    Thinking only of her id filled head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
    Up jumped the cunning spider, and fiercely fucked her fast;
    He dragged her up his winding stair, into the dismal den –
    Within his little parlor – she ne’er came out again!

    … Until he sent her for a sandwich and a six pack.

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  35. on May 23, 2014 at 8:37 am Will

    @yareally
    Last update (but an interesting and important one) from the girl I’ve bitched about and I know I’ve posted before just hear me out on this last post:

    Basically this relationship with this girl has been very odd. It’s been fucking/hanging out then radio silence every 1-2-3 weeks with one large break in between for 12 months. Sidenote is I’m decent in bed with a talked about body (athletic—my body gets me sex appeal not my face)–and she has asked ‘what I want from her’ and ‘are u seeing anyone else consistently’ which I aa’ed as shit tests. AND she has taken me to a sporting event a little time ago. Anyways did nothing on her b-day, vday (she playful 1 word texted I ignored), Christmas etc. nothing. And we;ve actually done maybe a few outdoorsy activities (but then fucking—literally fucked every single time we’ve hung out). Quick note—she has stopped mid hood up and asked ‘what I need from her’ and ‘are you seeing anyone else’ which I agreed and amp’ed as shit tests. Anyways to the interesting stuff. Keep in mind she is a very high smv 8.5-9 blonde—probably second hottest girl at the party, not a slut, and guys are texting her and inviting her to everything:

    ANYWAYS, it’s been about 2 weeks now of radio silence since I took her to the “extra tickets” (I framed them day-of that someone gave me ‘extra’ tix) sweeeet seats at the hockey game.

    Now I ruthlessly FUCKED up by doing this. This is b/c I basically covertly communicated that she is my top/best girl, and that it might even be true that she is the only girl I’ve been getting sex with all this time (who knows but this is what she now FEELS). Wow, I feel like an idiot. What I should’ve done when I got these tickets was take a different girl and show off covertly to this top girl that I took another girl–> that way it would covertly communicate ‘you need to work more to please me’ (i.e. jealousy/dread tactic). BUT I was intending this to be directed toward helping any sort of anti-slut defense for having been fucking for so long with no huge amount of rapport/emotion. It basically backfired though i’m afraid.

    I’m finally starting to get everything a little more now—It just sucks it has to be on such a high smv chick.

    So now to the tricky part. I know she is obviously texting other guys and most likely hooked up with a few here and there (but most likely not sex. I know this b/c when we first met I was verrrry high status to her and she made it wait after 2 or 3 times. Anyways, I know for a fact one guy she is texted is a beta and just doesn’t have the experiences or insight yet on game to understand any of this—I can tell. Let’s just call him ‘Bob’. She texts, hangouts, and parties with Bob and he is a guy who can prob get her clothes off then nothing more (my best guess in all honesty).

    BUT now that I’ve FUCKED up by basically pedestalizing her she has pulled more towards him b/c he’s had this kind of mono-face I don’t care attitude partly b/c she hasn’t sexed him and I FUCKING PEDESTALIZED her with my sweet seats. SOO she seems to now be playing it up a little more with him (also prob b/c he probably got a new girl b/c she was playing too hard). So basically now she wants to steal his attention back which she probably will b/c this guy is beta.

    For the experts and more experienced ones who have maybe even been through this…how do you snap this girl back into line as a spinning plate so I can mold her to the right girl? Maybe looking for definitive plans from @yareally. For some reason I feel like I am at the line of no return. Was this a death sentence? It’s hard to read b/c radio silence has been normal like this but i’ve just never pulled such a pedestalization on her.

    Thinking about this all makes me want to puke.

    My plan is this: radio silence forever, unless she initiates in which I respond a day later with a neg and playful tease/reponse. IF she even tries to mention something about meeting up—I deny and say ”maybe wednesday”–>and then flake wednesday. Only then if she reinitiates a meet up will I make her come to me.
    And if I unexpected see her I’ll pretend nothing has been wrong and neg/kino playfully flirt with her AFTER I ignore her a little and hit on other girls in front of her.

    Detailed plans would be beneficial. Thoughts

    It also feels like i’m trapped now. Like everything this girl sees me do with other girls won’t make her jealous b/c I took her to this sweet game. Ugh. I just had such a great opportunity to make her work more to please me and get her jealous and I fucked it up. I never thought doing something fun like a hockey game would have such devastating effects ha.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 3:14 pm YaReally

      @Will
      “I’ve FUCKED up by basically pedestalizing her”
      (…)
      “how do you snap this girl back into line”

      You ARE pedestalizing her. You have one-itis. Either tell her “Be my girlfriend.” in an alpha way like I told you to already, or ditch her and GFTOW until you stop writing 10 page posts about this one special flower lol

      “Thinking about this all makes me want to puke.”

      Look how reactive you are to her. She’s just a fuckin’ girl man. You are supposed to be the oak tree and you’re acting like a fidgety squirrel.

      You’ll get her when you’re okay with losing her.

      “It also feels like i’m trapped now.”

      You are, you’re trapped in one-itis.

      I’ve stopped replying to you because you aren’t actually taking any advice. You just want me to say “here’s the magic Get Her Back Routine that’ll fix this dude!!! Just say these 3 witty lines and she’ll be begging you for a relationship!!”

      You are too invested in her. And you don’t want her as a plate, you want her as a GF. Either step up and tell her she’s your GF like a man who takes what he wants, or cut both of you loose. Even if you got her right now, you’d probably lose her in a few months because you’d be running around like a chicken with your head cut off freaking out about every comment guys leave on her Facebook wall and how many degrees of an angle her body is turned toward some guy in some photo.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 3:26 pm Steve H

        Cliff notes: “You’ll get her when you’re okay with losing her.” THIS.

        Will, you don’t even have to go fuck a hotter girl. You just need to force yourself to go meet other women, flirt with other women, fuck other women (even if they aren’t as hot), and create abundance. This is the only way forward. The seats don’t matter, whether or not this other guy is beta or not (your attitude right now is beta, period), none of that shit matters except how *you* perceive your value and options and self-worth. Like YaReally says, with your current mental state you would fuck it up with her even if she came knocking on your door right now saying ‘let’s be boyfriend and girlfriend’. You’ve got one-itis, own up to it. But you’re not stuck there if you decide to put the work in and move forward. It’s your choice.

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  36. on May 23, 2014 at 8:57 am SRBEL

    Steve Sailer has a piece today, linked in my blog, that mentions the link between population stability and work ethic. I wonder if it ties in with this… as in, when in a homogenous population, an individual is more comfortable with his role, therefore has a higher level of conscientiousness?

    In terms of game, it feeds in to abundance mentality. When the population of women you bed changes frequently, you invest less and less effort into each individual. I summed it up thusly: He who perpetually pounds new poon, is persistent not with the pursuit as principle.

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  37. on May 23, 2014 at 9:10 am sfer

    Niches are a big deal among children in a family. Birth order means that older kids will be more responsible and younger kids will be more free-spirited. Within the family. Apparently, this goes away at school and after you are on your own.

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  38. on May 23, 2014 at 9:18 am gunslingergregi

    Diversity + proximity = conformity.

    yea prob everyone that stayed behind in my town does drugs everyone that left made money

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  39. on May 23, 2014 at 9:23 am gunslingergregi

    we might be workin too hard
    so the dude of the preggers chick comes over and we talk for couple hours
    he says to the young girls today sex is like a handshake used to be its not like when we were young
    wtf lol

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 9:31 am gunslingergregi

      I think he was assessing whether he wanted to hand his bitch off to me
      and wtf was up with his chick telling me she loved me like 5 times
      she ain’t never said she loved me before
      refilling my drink in front of him and shit it was fucking weird
      but not the first time a dude tried to give me his bitch

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 9:37 am gunslingergregi

        he sat on couch facing my bed I was chillaxing in bed and when the chick wasn’t sweeping my floors or folding my laundry or making some snacks she was sitting on the end of bed looking at me

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 9:44 am gunslingergregi

        this is prob the hardest dude in my city definetly one of em
        I was chill no fear we had good convo
        but yea I was ready to throw I guess he he he
        it was really fucking weird
        same dude that got stabbed and still won fight with dude with knife

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 9:50 am gunslingergregi

        any thoughts on my fr above
        told my girl about it
        she was surprised not that the chick was here but that the dude was

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  40. on May 23, 2014 at 9:30 am Gro Haila

    Re: weeks, months, years

    Heck, bitches (who shot yer omega-beta lameass down in flames -with extreme prejudice – when they were younger, tighter, fity #s lighter) do remember after decades that you were a cool guy …

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 9:55 am gunslingergregi

      maybe that is the problem I never got shot down
      and they weren’t necessarily tighter back then

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  41. on May 23, 2014 at 9:32 am Gro Haila

    GSGregi

    Lay off cocaine … please.

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 10:02 am gunslingergregi

      I lose my bitch its only been 18 days an you guys gonna bust my balls
      thanks a lot preciate it
      some dude who thinks I can steal his bitch gives me more respect than this board fuck off dude

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:04 am gunslingergregi

        you know why he gave me respect cause hes not sitting behind a fucking keyboard
        although ya said please but still talkin shit

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:07 am gunslingergregi

        the dude I did take the bitch of face to face don’t talk shit to me
        I slapped her ass in front the dude he don’t disrespect me

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:25 am gunslingergregi

        for those worried souls i’ll be checking off soon when my chick come home in a few days I am going to focus 100 percent of my energy on fucking the shit out of her
        be putting the computer into a closet and leaving it there

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 12:04 pm Neecy

        GSGREG,

        Man I would live to see your reality show. You got some cray stories with these women.

        Lol!

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:13 pm gunslingergregi

        thanks neecy I like your new pic maybe it is time for you to join up
        half of it I don’t tell he he he

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  42. on May 23, 2014 at 9:38 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

    The hilarity is that I do find Westerners less interesting than people anywhere on this planet. It’s not some bias due to knowing Westerners better since I find Eastern Europeans like me more interesting. I like that every single one of my friends has different ideas about everything. It makes talking about things interesting. Expressing your moral superiority by conforming as much as possible to the status quo is rather dull. Same with not being able to develop a dissimilar personality because of living in a diverse hellhole where rocking the boat could cause social strife.

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  43. on May 23, 2014 at 11:34 am Bruce

    I don’t know…I grew up in a small town with almost no “diversity” (as the term is commonly used), and yes there were a lot of different personalities. Now, I live in a suburban area that has some “diversity,” but the area is largely white middle class. With very, very few exceptions, people here have about as much personality as a telephone pole. They’re about as interesting as watching paint dry.

    The “diversity” quotient here is pretty low overall, so I don’t think that explains the difference. Both places are in the same metro area. Go figure.

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  44. on May 23, 2014 at 11:49 am newlyaloof

    @Reco: Relax. You’re doing great:

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  45. on May 23, 2014 at 11:53 am theasdgamer

    YaReally wrote Oct. 10, 2012: ” Doing it will trip you out when you see people you thought of as super high-value basically begging for your validation when logically you’re a nobody compared to them.”

    Logically, everybody else is a nobody compared to me.

    Narcissist rape!

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 12:24 pm gunslingergregi

      good point he he he

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 4:01 pm theasdgamer

        You’re an intelligent man. I salute you.

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      • on May 23, 2014 at 10:15 pm gunslingergregi

        thanks for the apropos comment
        i’m a pretty hard dude but shit I got emotions too he he he
        not a robot

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  46. on May 23, 2014 at 12:32 pm gunslingergregi

    oh yea and chicks offering to eat my chicks putty for a bag of ramen noodles
    so ahh yea we def workin too hard
    chicks getting the alimony and child support kind of comical

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    • on May 23, 2014 at 12:36 pm gunslingergregi

      life is funny I mean wtf

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  47. on May 30, 2014 at 9:39 pm Friday Night Fright | The Legionnaire

    […] have malfunctioning frontal lobes. Intra-group diversity Is wonderful for you and me, While inter-group diversity Makes you more like those in your thede. So fuck your false “diversity”! I’d […]

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