Is confidence an outcome of validating external factors, or is it an internal mindset that creates its own validation?
The feedback loops of male confidence are copious and fluid, so the question is the wrong one. External validation and internal beliefs synchronize to lift or deflate a man’s perception of self-worth. But it’s the nature of constitutional pessimists and unimaginative nerds to overrate objectively measurable variables that contribute to a man’s mate value and undervalue the invisible psychology that imbues a man with serious muff-massacring mojo. If you’re looking for proof of concept, I have a simple real life test.
How many naturals (with women) do you know, and have known for years, who physically or economically deteriorated with age? Most of us know one or two guys like that… high school romeos who packed a gut and a dead-end job by their late 20s. The guys I know like that continued doing well with women, despite losing their high school glam. They never stopped smashing grade A ass even as their more transparently conspicuous player traits abandoned them.
And you know why? Because they had the attitude. Their confidence that they could get women when they wanted never left them. True to their charming selves, their pudginess or crap jobs or studio apartments presented no obstacle to their mesmerizing game. Confidence — which is really a synonym for an abundance mentality — is like this; once you have it drilled into your subconscious, it’s hard to get rid of it.
Inner game matters. Confidence is transmissible over years and through different life stations. It can be cultivated with many fertilizers, and harvest time always means, “There’s enough clam to feast like a king. I will never go hungry.” How crucial is confidence? If you have no belief in yourself, a six pack or a year-end bonus aren’t going to transform you into a lady slayer. But if you think yourself god’s gift to women, and truly believe that should the need arise you can easily find fresh pussy, then a submerging six pack or a missed promotion at work won’t put a dent in your game.
Of course, the quickest way to achieve Voltaire level confidence is by amassing years of experience bedding women. But what to do if you’re new to the only game that matters? You strive for that elusive abundance mentality. Make approaches. You won’t convert every approach into a lay (not even close) but you will get some smiles and other positive reactions. These reactions will accumulate and reinforce your growing belief that women are plentiful and it wouldn’t take much effort to push at least a few of them into lascivious contemplation.
Another trick to crush limiting beliefs is a daily reminder that, whatever sexual market advantage women have got, you have a sexual marketplace window of viability that triples that of most women’s. When you’re feeling self-doubt, there’s nothing quite like the brisk pick-me-up of waking up a man with decades of romantic opportunity ahead of him.

Send a picture of an impressively long shit that u just took to a hot girl if that doesn’t scream confidence i don’t know what else will
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submarine shit game still beats beta male suck-up game.
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ummmm u mispelledz cockasz!! “Send a picture of an impressively long cockasz that u just took out of a hot girl if that doesn’t scream confidence i don’t know what else will” lzlzozoz
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GBFM ALERT:
The G-String Scholarship: College Students Strip to Pay Tuition Costs
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/college-students-strip-pay-tuition-costs/story?id=23782754
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Dey don’t need no man!
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It sure doesn’t scream attractive.
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Holy shit, I actually agree with the dot head.
Fart in her face all day, but don’t ever let her see or smell your shit. Weird distinction for sure, but seems to be pretty universal.
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Classy stuff
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When I need an ego boost, I log onto my moribund Facebook account and look at the latest selfies posted by the erstwhile arrogant hotties in my high school class. 24 years on, they look frumpy and used up … and I’m picking up women young enough to be their daughters.
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Women of a certain age should stop posting pics to Tinder with their daughters. Because it only makes me go, “I’d date your daughter. So, *NOPE*”
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Maybe they’re pimping their daughters.
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Please tell me that you guys are kidding.
If not – if you aren’t kidding – then do the Moms understand the PURPOSE of Tinder?
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You’re picking up 20-year olds and you need an ego boost?
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Sometimes. I’m only human.
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I do that too despite not even being 10 years out of high-school. It’s hilarious because I look better and am better than I was then, but besides some irrelevant jobs these women have, they all look worse.
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Funny how the young hotties all assume they’re immune to entropy. Heh.
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External validation certainly helps. When you spend the majority of your time in a sterile office career and in traffic commuting back and forth, only to reach the weekend and realize you have nobody to call and nobody will call you…it is difficult to sustain an abundance mentality AKA confidence. It is a constant struggle between your self-validating internal worth and a cold unfeeling world that doesn’t even register your existence.
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you have to stop focusing on just the weekend. as tough as it is, you need to go out on weeknights. even if it means calling in sick the next day. there are plenty of girls with non-traditional jobs who are out during the week. bang them & you can call them on weekends.
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A lot of the girls who are out on weeknights in suburbia are waitresses/service industry skirts who make much/all of their money in cash and live week-to-week off of that. They have a propensity to get hammered and snort copious lines of coke (or E) and indiscriminately fuck whichever Alpha dude happens to show up where they are. You could focus most of your energies on that, then weekends will take care of themselves.
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this is where you have to force yourself to go out into the world…meet a buddy out for a beer (that’s also how you make new buddy’s…), stop at the mall on the way home/weekend, just sit and watch people at a park for a while, then chat some people up…
one of the better things that i did to get confidence was to recognize the MANY IOIs that women are putting out all the time. women, especially young fertile (hot) women, ping their environment ALL the time. learn to recognize and encourage these, and it will build your confidence…you can also learn to spot these when they are thrown at other males in the environment…
note – it will also make you sort of depressed if you still hold any illusions regarding the nature of women. most of the ‘ping backs’ you will get are from women in ‘relationships’ (married or otherwise) with betas…sometimes (a lot actually) right in front of the guy’s nose…
good luck!
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i find that women are a lot more obvious about checking me out when they’re with a boyfriend / husband.
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i find that women are a lot more obvious about checking me out when they’re with a boyfriend / husband.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that too. Some possibilities:
1) Abundance mentality affects women just as much as men.
2) They figure single men will ignore them and therefore their guards are down.
3) They’re with betas.
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My bet is on these two explanations:
1. Sublimated hypergamy. Women are always looking to trade up (whether they know it or not) and flirting while with someone comes more naturally to them.
2. Fishing for reassurance that she’s still attractive. Women in LTRs tend to discount the assurances they get from their partners as less valuable than the arousal they can inspire in strange men.
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My bet is on these two explanations:
1. Sublimated hypergamy. Women are always looking to trade up (whether they know it or not) and flirting while with someone comes more naturally to them.
More so if she’s with a beta I suppose.
2. Fishing for reassurance that she’s still attractive. Women in LTRs tend to discount the assurances they get from their partners as less valuable than the arousal they can inspire in strange men.
Ahh yes, this is a particularly annoying case of beta bait that aspiring alphas should all be aware of. This goes particularly if the man she’s with is obviously an alpha who doesn’t constantly butter her up. I’m pretty sure it goes a long way toward keeping betatude entrenched among the general male population.
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@corvinus
“1) Abundance mentality affects women ” attitude = alpha…
@CH
i think those are 2 stops on a sliding scale…lol…but for basic confidence building for our new putative PUA just getting/recognizing/trading IOIs is enough to build initial confidence… actually converting to a hook up isn’t necessary. (at least to start…lol)
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“flirting while with someone comes more naturally to them.”
That’s one play we need to steal from their book. I flirt with every HB I can when out with my girl. It’s to the point now that if I don’t open a random with witty/neg/funny she’ll almost be offended (like I’m losing my drive/game). Interestingly, she’s not impressed and even annoyed when HB’s open me. It’s only good when I open.
“This goes particularly if the man she’s with is obviously an alpha who doesn’t constantly butter her up.”
Buttering her up is beta work. Alpha busts her down. All that beta butter makes her sick to her stomach. Alpha relieves her indigestion with a hard pounding from behind.
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@CH, why do women discount the appreciation they get from their mates? My best hypothesis is that said mates lavish too much appreciation on them. I haven’t been in a really long relationship, but both girls I was in a relationship with and classmates or girls I talked to once in a while told me that they will be happy when they will get compliments from me or my approval on something. Not entirely sure why they feel like that.
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@CH, why do women discount the appreciation they get from their mates? My best hypothesis is that said mates lavish too much appreciation on them. I haven’t been in a really long relationship, but both girls I was in a relationship with and classmates or girls I talked to once in a while told me that they will be happy when they will get compliments from me or my approval on something. Not entirely sure why they feel like that.
Simple: if it’s abundant, it’s cheap, whereas if it’s scarce, it’s valuable.
If you hand out compliments and gifts willy-nilly, the girls will perceive them as of little value. But if you’re normally stingy with compliments and presents, but surprise them once in a while, they will love your little show of affection. Even if it’s monetarily worthless and she’s a golddigger, lozlzozlz
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Great post. In 2012, I had my best game year ever. I banged 14 girls. I was unstoppable.
Then I got involved with the one who derailed my confidence.
I struggled to understand whether that confidence I had was externally validated or came from some place within. I concluded that it began by banging lots of hot women, then came from within.
So why then would one girl’s horrible behaviours suddenly derail this? The one huge warning about learning game is that without working on your inner confidence…all the great lines, the structures, the techniques, the banging women are props.
Now I’ve banged fewer women, but the confidence is slowly coming back through months of self-reflection that your core beliefs need to be strong for game to have any lasting effect on improving your life.
I still don’t have the answer. Self-discipline and an abundance mentality require fighting those urges to take the easy way out, to supplicate, to cave in, to buy into a manipulative girl’s rantings and criticisms.
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@wala
it gets easier when you realize that their ‘shitty behavior’ doesn’t come from a place of malice…it’s just an unconscious learned coping mech that has developed to let girls get through life (and hotter girls develop ‘meaner’ responses bc they can get away with it…lol)…once you spot it for what it is, and see it in real time, it’s easier to ‘game’ that shit into a win…lol…
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@ habd
In the case of my crazy ex gf the reason my confidence took such a beating was that the way she broke up was so…shame inducing…is the best way I can put it.
The first time she broke up, I just ignored her and she came running back.
The next time was two days before a big event that I had planned for a whole year and that she had actively supported me on.
She left, then didn’t come to my event. Then came out immediately after that. She never supported me.
I think that idea of being “abandoned” at the last minute hit a nerve that took me 7 months of soul-searching to recover from.
I think shitty behavior is one thing. A total betrayal is something that left me completely confused.
Yes, now I can see there are other issues at play—possible Cluster B personality etc etc.
But when you’re a person like me—and I suspect like many guys—a “fixer”…someone who’s a success at everything….to have that type of break-up is ego-shattering. It made me question everything. Yah, I went out and banged other girls and was a huge success.
But this post is about “confidence”…it’s something that comes from within. Game is a tool but like most things you need to know how to use that tool and use the RIGHT tool for the right job.
I had tons of support including here. But that external support was in a battle with the shattered ego I was nursing.
This past week, I woke up and suddenly the pain was gone. It was the strangest feeling. The shame of that horrible break-up was gone.
I can point to a few minor EXTERNAL things that occurred but at the heart of it was an internal reframing that what others did no longer mattered because I was satisfied with my own inner-peace.
Sounds all weird and new-agey but it’s not. It was a re-instatement that I had the tools to move forward, this was not a reflection of who I am and in future i’ll recognize this better and not be sucked in.
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@walawal I was intrigued by your story and the awakening. This is the state I want to get to in all of this. To be able to get to that point where these things good or bad do not affect me any more.
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happy for you walawala
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@wala
my point maybe didn’t come through as clearly as i had hoped…it seems your ‘issues’ are/were based on your ex gf somehow being conscious of her shitty behavior…but generally girls don’t think like that…they’re all emotion/unconscious reaction, not logic…
your blaming yourself (and it sounds like you’ve gotten into the right head space for moving on…lol…congratulations!) was like blaming yourself for getting hit by a tornado…lol..which are obviously COMPLETELY within our control…lol…
once you completely understand that, it gets a lot easier to let stuff go…
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@reco, habd
This is a process. I saw my ex gf last night. She comes to our weekly party. I’m organizing a big event. She has not booked for that.
I mentioned that after a 4 month freeze out after catching her in a lie, I did engage her in a dance. She was very responsive. Then painted me to black the very next day.
I’ve since read that these Cluster B/Borderline girls will love you one minute and then shut you out the next. I didn’t engage since then. It’s clear it’s deliberate.
But as I mention in another post, I did game another set of girls in front of her—not to piss her off but because the one girl was smoking and giving me IOI’s.
This awakening was a long-time coming and I share all this as a personal game journey but also as perhaps a cautionary tale.
Game and learning game takes effort but once you have the skills you can meet and bang any number of girls.
The issue is if you haven’t got your inner game sorted, that confidence is a sandcastle and not a fortress.
My ex gf broke up on some pretext, acted with the most calculated cold emotional cruelty. Then when I finally did break silence and confronted her about it….she claimed I “rejected” her. I now see this for what it is…crazy. But crazy can come in nice packages so it’s not so easily identified if you don’t know what you’re looking at.
That’s why working on your inner game, understanding your own motivations and reactions needs to be aligned with all that outer alpha confidence you’re projecting. Fake it til you make it is great advice….but…..buuuuuuuuuuut….you can’t fake your feelings and reactions if you’ve somehow been raised in a shame culture and some Cluster B girl starts fucking with your head.
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@walwala good stuff brother. The inner game stuff I need a lot of work and your insights about this as well as our shame culture are appreciated.
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When you’re doing something serious or engaging, women in a relationship have this trait of being not just undependable but anti-dependable. They actively try to make your situation worse, escalating from making things more stressful to sabotaging and worse. Even if you’re being a standup guy.
Maybe it’s because they need to determine that you’re still alpha right now (if things are going bad) or you’re looking like you are getting too powerful (if things are going well). Maybe because it’s not about them them them. I dunno, and I guess neither does the modern woman. But it’s, uh, not very endearing and you’d do well to look out and be ready for it rather than get blindsided. Keep the yareally superdetached “lol you’re no fun baby” next handy.
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> “I still don’t have the answer.”
Here’s the first question: Why are you banging all of these chicks?
What are you searching for?
> “Then I got involved with the one who derailed my confidence. ”
And here’s the second question: Why didn’t you settle down with her?
Why didn’t you marry her?
Why didn’t you have children with her?
BONUS THIRD QUESTION: Why do you think that God gave you a pair of testicles and gave all of these women a pair of ovaries?
Because God is a moron?
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Maybe doesn’t want to die broke.
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So he prefers to die lonely and miserable and childless in an apartment filled with… DOGS?
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@Zombie Shane
“”So he prefers to die lonely and miserable and childless in an apartment filled with… DOGS?””
Yes, absolutely, i’m still waiting for “the one” to magically come into my life.
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> “Yes, absolutely, i’m still waiting for “the one” to magically come into my life.”
Is that supposed to be sarcasm?
Because you sure do seem to be smitten with the chick who broke the string of 14 consecutive pump-n-dumps.
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Thank you Zombie “Why didn’t you put a bun in the over” Shane.
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Maybe because she’s batshit insane (Cluster B) and unreliable?
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“So why then would one girl’s horrible behaviours suddenly derail this?”
Because you had feelings for her. You were invested. So the answer everyone will give you is to not get invested in the first place, which is depressing advice for anyone who’s open to a real relationship. So maybe the better solution is to not get invested too quickly.
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@Amy i think the advice is to make better choices. I can’t put all this on her. yes she behaved cruelly. there is no excuse for that.
But why was i so accommodating? even afterwards I made overtures for reconciliation only to find she was just tooling me.
The positive of all this is i’m bolder in making the first move, number closing, asking out. But I don’t linger if the lead is waffling or displaying otherwise skittish behaviours.
Despite their flakiness, if a woman is truly interested, they will chase. if they chase too much and too fast…that’s an issue.
If they don’t chase at all, that’s low interest.
Finding that balance and employing game is crucial but it has to come from a place of outcome independence.
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“And that’s why I say: Act as if! Act as if you’re a wealthy man, rich already, and then you’ll surely become rich. Act as if you have unmatched confidence and then people will surely have confidence in you. Act as if you have unmatched experience and then people will follow your advice. And act as if you are already a tremendous success, and as sure as I stand here today – you will become successful.”
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Alternatively, “fake it ’til you make it”.
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I’ve written about this a couple of times I think. lol. Here’s a bunch more on the topic for guys who want more convincing:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/1/#comment-heartiste-305240
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/7/#comment-heartiste-455301
http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/1/#comment-heartiste-516661
http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/2/#comment-heartiste-526331
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/5/#comment-heartiste-437835
Every new guy will base his confidence on external validation. Even a lot of advanced long-term guys will. Naturals ESPECIALLY will. Nothing is more depressing/annoying than a Natural who hasn’t gotten laid in a few weeks lol
And that’s good, that gives you the motivation to go out and face the odds and approach cute girls in a bar out by yourself and start learning the ropes.
But it’s important that down the road you start shifting internally and realize that your worth comes from inside and that it can’t be taken and that it’s literally just a mental shift and unlocking the shit that society has mentally conditioned you to lock up and doubt.
You can’t control the outcome. You can’t say “every girl I talk to is going to suck my dick” and base your worth on that. But you CAN control your actions. You can control whether you approach her or not. And you can base your worth on whether you take right action.
You can’t make your identity “I’m a guy who gets laid by every girl he talks to”, but you can make your identity “I’m a guy who goes for what he wants and takes right action in life”.
(to really internalize it tho, I’ve found that destroying limiting beliefs helps…like do the opposite of what you think works, until you learn to make it work. So if you always wear a suit out, try going out for a few months in a t-shirt and jeans. If you always go direct, try going indirect. If you always buy drinks, try not buying drinks. If you always mention your fancy job, try telling girls you work at McDonald’s. Try approaching girls in mixed sets with better looking dudes than you. etc. etc. You need to give your brain valid 1st-hand reference experiences of being able to shit on your beliefs. It can take a few weeks or months just to shake off the dependency on whatever it was and even START seeing success, but once you get it a few times your brain is like “well shit, I guess it’s not the suit that’s attractive, it’s me”)
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@YaReally
“I’ve found that destroying limiting beliefs helps…like do the opposite of what you think works, until you learn to make it work.”
the first time i tried this was when i was getting over being ‘nice’…lol…i had read about ‘asshole’ game on here and decided to try it, since it was opposite of ‘me’. so, i was at a big box store getting some help with a return and the cute clerk (hb7, thin, 19/20, brunette) made a self-depreciating comment when she made a mistake ‘well, that was stupid…’
now, my blue pill/nice guy kicked in and i was going to say ‘oh, that’s ok, you’re not stupid…” but i caught myself and did the opposite…i said ‘yes. that WAS incredibly stupid.’ …lol…and just let it hang out there and held my frame (eye contact with a smirk)…(i.e. i didn’t follow up with a ‘just kidding’…)
and i observed my internal reaction to that…it was tough to pull off…that smirk was forced for sure…lol…i felt like somebody was going to hit me…and i was shocked that the world didn’t stop and she didn’t call the manager and have me arrested…lol…
but i also continued to observe everything…her reaction, my reaction, the reaction of other people nearby, etc.(mostly that i didn’t die…lol)…as i continued to observe the interaction, i noticed her become more deferent and she got that shiny-eyed lusty look that i’d rarely seen before, but had been describe on here…she also had a sort of ‘reappraisal’ as she continued to help me with my order. by the time she was done (about 3 minutes) i had the distinct impression that she was wanting me to ask her out…lol…
so, this tech def works…and gets some good gains, too…
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“and i was shocked that the world didn’t stop and she didn’t call the manager and have me arrested…lol…”
Living in fear of the police state will destroy even the most confident guys. This is why it’s good to break all kinds of laws, especially when you’re a minor.
Scoring underage virgin pussy is probably tops for building early confidence. But theft, burglary, vandalism, drug dealing, drug use, bullying, drag racing, fighting, cheating in school, etc. can all help a guy to realize what a joke most of society’s rules are.
Look at what happened in ’08. Geithner went in front of congress and extorted almost a trillion dollars (subsequent transfers have topped 17 trillion at least) in broad daylight. Since then we have learned that the biggest crimes (fixing libor and comex, manipulating gold, laundering drug money, manipulating major equity indexes, hiding money offshore, buying elections, spying on everyone, murdering elected leaders) are not punished at all. The public does not care one bit. Psychos commit felony after felony right out in the open and instead of calling them on it we reelect them and give them more power.
Don’t be afraid of anyone, especially some stupid 19 year old clerk with a gash between her legs.
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“I’ve found that destroying limiting beliefs helps…like do the opposite of what you think works, until you learn to make it work.”
This.
When I’m in a funk, I just think: “What would I do if I wasn’t feeling this shitty?”
Then I pull myself together and get doing SOMETHING: run, gym, go out.
I also consider a back-up plan: If it sucks, if I encounter an awkward situation, I’ll leave.
Apart from that it’s truly just forging ahead and riding those waves of uncertainty.
I had an unusual experience last night at my weekly social.
I had gamed a girl hard several weeks ago for a few weeks until I just gave up: kino, tried to number close but she blew me off.
So I friend-zoned her. Backed off the asshole stuff. Backed off pretty much everything and just became “neutral” friendly, but not attentive.
I asked her to dance. She was so excited. “Where have you been?” she asked. Me: “Hiding from you…”
It was tons of IOI’s. I kinoed her but didn’t escalate it back to number close mode. I just displayed a kind of amused mastery.
It crystalized for me two things: game works even though initially she was cool to it, when it was taken away she was practically pulling negs and kino out of me. Secondly, by not really giving a fuck I was able to project a kind of confidence and then decide whether or not to escalate. In this case I didn’t get enough IOI’s to warrant making more of a bold move. But long-game has often worked for me with girls in my social circle or that I see regularly in my week.
Sometimes leaving a situation for a while to clear my head helps to get my confidence back.
There is no quick fix. It truly is mind over matter.
When I started out with game and became more aware of my actions: how I was standing, sitting, talking, kino, the escalation model…it felt awkward at first. Now it’s become more natural and I can see instantly whether a girl I’ve met is DTF that moment or whether I may need long-game.
But back to the original point, yes just getting a regular routine together so that when your confidence takes a hit you have a structure to help you through things is something that has worked for me.
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“Apart from that it’s truly just forging ahead and riding those waves of uncertainty.”
“I asked her to dance. She was so excited. “Where have you been?” she asked. Me: “Hiding from you…””
Solid response. Good stuff. A lot of guys would get caught trying to logically answer that question, but you used it as a chance to spike her attraction. This is game. 🙂
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This reminds me of “The Confident Hunchback” from SNL. http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/confident-hunchback/2783134
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Every new guy will base his confidence on external validation.<<<
So much so. It's called an ego…Get rid of that ego..
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@Ya: Is that stuff all the precursor to “killing one’s Ego”?
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This site does offer some real nuggets of wisdom and it’s definitely offered some eye openers.
No disrespect intended, but I do find these “inner frame” references a bit wonky.
Confidence is relational, i.e. you have confidence in relation to a particular thing. You are an amazing bball player and so you have confidence when you walk on to a court. But if you’ve never played lacrosse before you will not be confident in playing that game.
What I don’t get is where your notion of where confidence comes from. As you put it “your worth comes from inside” What does that even mean?
My best interpretation is that you derive my worth from the fact that you approach women you are interested in “I’m a guy who goes for what he wants and takes right action in life”
You are confident in your approach to women because you approach women? There’s a circularity there.
I think what’s really going on is that you are simply a likeable guy, people tend to like you and so you anticipate and expect affirmation in social interaction. You are good at it and so you are confident about it. But you were always probably like that.
I am not sure that makes you have any great “inner worth”. But I am sure it does get you laid.
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Well said. Our ruler class, despite amassing all the external markers of success one could hope for, is still insecure about its actual SMV. Which is why at the latest White House Correspondents Dinner someone (Joel McHale, Commander-in-Chief Urkel?) had to preemptivley deflect the ridiculousness of these former kings and queens of th AV club aspiring to glamor by calling the dinner “nerd prom”.
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@yareally
Last update (but an interesting and important one) from the girl I’ve bitched about and I know I’ve posted before just hear me out on this last post:
Basically this relationship with this girl has been very odd. It’s been fucking/hanging out then radio silence every 1-2-3 weeks with one large break in between for 12 months. Sidenote is I’m decent in bed with a talked about body (athletic—my body gets me sex appeal not my face)–and she has asked ‘what I want from her’ and ‘are u seeing anyone else consistently’ which I aa’ed as shit tests. AND she has taken me to a sporting event a little time ago. Anyways did nothing on her b-day, vday (she playful 1 word texted I ignored), Christmas etc. nothing. And we;ve actually done maybe a few outdoorsy activities (but then fucking—literally fucked every single time we’ve hung out). Quick note—she has stopped mid hood up and asked ‘what I need from her’ and ‘are you seeing anyone else’ which I agreed and amp’ed as shit tests. Anyways to the interesting stuff. Keep in mind she is a very high smv 8.5-9 blonde—probably second hottest girl at the party, not a slut, and guys are texting her and inviting her to everything:
ANYWAYS, it’s been about 2 weeks now of radio silence since I took her to the “extra tickets” (I framed them day-of that someone gave me ‘extra’ tix) sweeeet seats at the hockey game.
Now I ruthlessly FUCKED up by doing this. This is b/c I basically covertly communicated that she is my top/best girl, and that it might even be true that she is the only girl I’ve been getting sex with all this time (who knows but this is what she now FEELS). Wow, I feel like an idiot. What I should’ve done when I got these tickets was take a different girl and show off covertly to this top girl that I took another girl–> that way it would covertly communicate ‘you need to work more to please me’ (i.e. jealousy/dread tactic). BUT I was intending this to be directed toward helping any sort of anti-slut defense for having been fucking for so long with no huge amount of rapport/emotion. It basically backfired though i’m afraid.
I’m finally starting to get everything a little more now—It just sucks it has to be on such a high smv chick.
So now to the tricky part. I know she is obviously texting other guys and most likely hooked up with a few here and there (but most likely not sex. I know this b/c when we first met I was verrrry high status to her and she made it wait after 2 or 3 times. Anyways, I know for a fact one guy she is texted is a beta and just doesn’t have the experiences or insight yet on game to understand any of this—I can tell. Let’s just call him ‘Bob’. She texts, hangouts, and parties with Bob and he is a guy who can prob get her clothes off then nothing more (my best guess in all honesty).
BUT now that I’ve FUCKED up by basically pedestalizing her she has pulled more towards him b/c he’s had this kind of mono-face I don’t care attitude partly b/c she hasn’t sexed him and I FUCKING PEDESTALIZED her with my sweet seats. SOO she seems to now be playing it up a little more with him (also prob b/c he probably got a new girl b/c she was playing too hard). So basically now she wants to steal his attention back which she probably will b/c this guy is beta.
For the experts and more experienced ones who have maybe even been through this…how do you snap this girl back into line as a spinning plate so I can mold her to the right girl? Maybe looking for definitive plans from @yareally. For some reason I feel like I am at the line of no return. Was this a death sentence? It’s hard to read b/c radio silence has been normal like this but i’ve just never pulled such a pedestalization on her.
Thinking about this all makes me want to puke.
My plan is this: radio silence forever, unless she initiates in which I respond a day later with a neg and playful tease/reponse. IF she even tries to mention something about meeting up—I deny and say ”maybe wednesday”–>and then flake wednesday. Only then if she reinitiates a meet up will I make her come to me.
And if I unexpected see her I’ll pretend nothing has been wrong and neg/kino playfully flirt with her AFTER I ignore her a little and hit on other girls in front of her.
Detailed plans would be beneficial. Thoughts
It also feels like i’m trapped now. Like everything this girl sees me do with other girls won’t make her jealous b/c I took her to this sweet game. Ugh. I just had such a great opportunity to make her work more to please me and get her jealous and I fucked it up. I never thought doing something fun like a hockey game would have such devastating effects ha.
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@not YaReally but i just have one question…
how many other plates do you actually have spinning?…
and one comment…
if you’re banging this girl every time you go out/meet up, and things are generally good…one game isn’t going to change anything wrt your current status…no matter how sweet the seats were…
ok, one more comment…
if you’re not actively spinning other plates, this girl already knows you have oneitis for her…
ok, just one more…
any guy that can get a girl’s clothes off (when they’re alone together and not at a strip club…lol) is most likely having sex with her…
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“BUT I was intending this to be directed toward helping any sort of anti-slut defense for having been fucking for so long with no huge amount of rapport/emotion. It basically backfired though i’m afraid.”
Let this be a lesson to us all. No good deed goes unpunished.
Her ASD is not our problem after repeated bangs. Maybe some projection going on if we think it is.
“(I framed them day-of that someone gave me ‘extra’ tix) sweeeet seats at the hockey game.”
Another option. Sell the tix for a profit and use that cash to put yourself in a position to be seen with two different women in two different active settings.
Women say they want to go to sporting events but it seems like their pussies get dry from sitting and watching things happen as opposed to being directly involved in the action. One exception I’ve found is concerts. Probably has something to do with the effects of music on the brain.
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Using social media or whatever other way possible, make her jealous. After 3 weeks have passed since the sporting event text her something like “drinks tonight”. Nothing beta like “hey miss ya can I see you tonight?”. Fuck her hard that night. Everything will go back to normal.
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Ha Wowww I look like an idiot I posted my rant like 5 times on accident on the previous blog posting.
Yareally if/when you get a chance advice on this bitch would be appreciated
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/22/spiders-diversity-and-seduction-oh-my/#comment-565896
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There’s a very basic evolutionary reason for this.
Women care more about the genetic quality of the man who might impregnate them while men care about the physical (and mental) health of the woman they are entrusting to carry and raise their children.
A man who’s confident but aging is giving off indirect indicators that he was very high quality in his prime and so his genetic quality is high.
Yet another way that the bitter internet feminists can suck it – “flabby, aging, blah blah, sagging balls, blah blah”. Sorry babe, women don’t give too much of a fuck. There are only two reasons that women would prefer a man in his prime to a man past his prime – 1) the man in his prime is easier to evaluate – she sees him in his prime right there so she can evaluate him (but (non-NAM) women generally prefer to use indirect indicators of quality anyway) and 2) a man in his physical prime is likely to be a better physical guardian of her and her spawn (but likely to be a worse provider).. Since women don’t really look for long term traits too much these days (2) is pretty insignificant.
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One of my best friends weighs at least 300 pounds, and he’s just an all-around ugly fuck, but that is the most devilishly charming bastard I ever met. He has enough confidence to fill one of those giant off-road dump trucks, and his confidence makes up for his totally beta mindset. It’s amazing to see that positive feedback cycle in action, although studying him isn’t that useful in of itself. He’s basically a fluke, a lightning strike.
On the subject of flirting, I’m finally getting the hang of this after much struggle. I have a nice little vignette to write up, but lack time at the moment.
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why do ANY white men lack confinence?
If i was white i would hav died from an overdose of pussy a long time ago.
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why would any man lack the confidence to be a man you say
maybe seeing the divorce industrial complex up close could play a part stopped me in my tracks probably had that deer in headlight look on my face
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So this guy with a premature ejaculation problem comes out of nowhere…
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You think so? Just yesterday I counted six bangable girls in different places, all standing there staring up adoringly at a black guy with a look of rapture on their faces. The closest thing I have to a wing is a black guy I swap player stories with. He has no idea what the red pill is, but instinctively figured a lot of this shit out.
The whole stereotypical black lifestyle of working some shitty minimum wage job and spending all your money on weed is perfect sleaze game, and ghetto culture naturally embodies a lot of game principles. Stereotypical black guys are lazy, they’re demanding, they order their bitches around, they’re not afraid to slap a bitch if she needs it, all girls in their life are hoes, etc.
Think about it, thwack, game is hugely about trying to turn Tighty Whitie Man into a nigger. Having a big salary and a Ferrari doesn’t get you shit anymore. A cracker be better off becoming a weed dealer.
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Two alphas and four betas: spot them! 🙂
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I prefer the spanking virgins scene – not bad though.
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Perhaps you might want to consider when you come across as strong and confident women are always asking your help. After all, women are 100% dependent on men no matter their delusions. When it comes down to it, the easiest way to determine if you’re “Alpha” (pathetic word, by the way) is that women seek your opinion and your help. Of course, White Knights don’t do that…right? Can’t be patriarchal! Got to imitate minorities and be a playa!
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Awesome post! True in every way. Guys can also think of cultivating inner game as ‘inner work’ – it’s disciplined work to rewrite your story, write out affirmations and repeat them morning noon and night, remind yourself of your story/affirmations every time you’re going out meeting women. Absolutely indispensable.
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This is just a ‘for whatever it’s worth,’ but it seems like confidence — real confidence — is more the willingness to lay yourself on the line at any given moment and accept yourself.
What I mean is that the more I let my guard down around people, the better I do. Like, for example, if I meet up with a group of people and I take the initiative of bringing up me being shorter than everyone else (or someone else being freakishly tall)…it seems to be something like a DHV. I’m not saying self-deprecate though…just presenting the facts about yourself as they are, without any apology.
Idk, if there’s a really tall dude around and we’re with girls I’ll be like ‘oh this will be different, usually I feel like Captain of the Midget Brigade.’
It’s weird. When you open yourself up like that, people — b/c the vast majority seem to be stuck in nit-picky fights about status — will start trying to take potshots. Like, they’ll talk shit about whatever you brought up….tall guy will probably take the bait…maybe he’ll throw something in like ‘….ya too bad you probably can’t see over there, hahaha.’
So you can just ignore them (I mean, I caught on to this early on and it really does work), but what’s really money is to just agree and amplify with it.
“Yeah man, that’s why we brought you so I could sit on your shoulders.”
When you can congruently say shit like this it’s a huge step forward.
Beyond that, I find that owning the good and bad in your past is good, too. So…when I get out of the ego-validation space of ‘have to fuck chix’ and instead get into a more positive vibe like ‘just gotta do the best I can do…’ which just has me accepting my ‘limitations,’ shit seems to turn out better.
I don’t get into that headspace as often as I’d like, but when I do, I feel 10x better.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Timely post, Heartiste:
Marc Anthony’s Dad Said ‘You’re Ugly — Work On Your Personality’
“”My dad would tell me, ‘Son, I’m ugly and you’re ugly – work on your personality.’ I swear to God. I told him a couple of months ago, I said, ‘Dad, you remember telling me that when I was little?’ He’s like, ‘I’ll tell you that sh*t today, too!’ I think it served me well, I think confidence is a powerful thing.”
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/news/marc-anthony-dad-told-me-i-was-ugly-30295545.html
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yea im prob stil running off the confidence boost of one ten and a 9
so really if you have a son prob worth more money than college tuition to get him a 9 or ten to date if he never had one pay that bitch
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hell chicks see the pic now and it gives me a boost
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and i’m pretty sure too that all these years later people in my town still remember me dating that 10
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Have you noticed that you’re the only one replying to your posts?
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im not replyinh just I don’t make the one big post I post as I think
i’m drunk as fuck
my buddy across street texted
yea another booty call my dick would fall off
and that was halfway through the day
cause so many chicks I ain’t seen in long time showed up at my door today
its like crazoland I don’t get it just straight insane like nothing I have ever heard of in this lifetime
preggers chick was here brought some steaks up with her dude cooked em cooked pork loin
my buddy watchin the interaction beteenn her and me and like just lock the door on hr dude ya can tell she want you dude pus you know its your kid ut yea wild ass fucking day
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yea the reply rule don’t apply to me itjust takes me multiple posts to say shit
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I’m pointing out something else. Think about it.
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yea but you are ont stating a fact though
people do reply to my posts
so yea uhh
but either way I like postin it helped me get through Iraq being on here helps me organize my thoughts on chicks and shit and figure out what I want out of life so if people respond or not its still helping me to move toward what I want to move toward
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Heh, a beta could do worse than reading gregi with a bit of attention.
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yea thank glen for the around the bush compliment he he he
but yea everything I have wanted to do with my life I have accomplished
I have complained about shit being the way it is and then I have made it in my life so that it works the way I want it to
I realize I am a phenom known it since I was very young
so people talk about naturals can’t explain what they do before so I do try to put it down so maybe people cn learn something too
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I guess cat Williams as right if ya got 20 haters make it goal to get 25 or your not doing it right
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here is some more weird shit
when my chick was in hospital my doc who I go to for counseling saw her
in hospital and said so your the girl greg tells the stories about or something
he knew her but they never met and I don’t think I have ever told him her name
but I mean she got my name on her neck and I did tell him bout that
he told her i’m gonna hook greg up and give you free clinic to get off the shit
she called me that night after he visited her and told me bout it
that next morning boom
she was on no visitation and sent back to jail and didn’t get no more meds
I guess that was the free clinic and the favor for me
but really that was a favor cause now she clean
but yea its weird how sometimes ya think things might happen a certain way with no rhyme or reason but then ya look and its like ok all that shit was probably not an accident
hell my old football coach who gave me an a in a class was at front desk when I walked in to the jail to put some money on her books
everything is intertwined
its like ya don’t really know who is pulling for you sometimes
and sometimes things appear one way and seem like its against you but sometimes ya really and contemplate the shit and ya realize all the pieces of this complicated puzzle fit together to get the desired result you want just maybe not the way you would of maybe planned it
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even her best friend robbing her when she was on street was a part of the puzzle that let her hit bottom to try to become the phoenix
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and they used psy ops on her in freaking solitary the hole
she be askin for meds
they told her there is no her name here she must be drunk or some shit
they told her like 50 diferent versions of stories and excuses
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If you want confidence, become very skilled at one or more things–maybe dancing, hiking, climbing, biking, MMA, shooting, or whatever. Leverage your skill in your interest into social confidence. Leverage your social confidence into your frame around women. Add more skills and increase your social confidence and strengthen your frame.
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beta male rampage in Cali
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my guess is testosterone has a lot to do with it
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Yeah, all of us men with testosterone are gonna go on a rampage, lol.
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that was toward the op not the pathetic beta killer
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CH – your posts seem to track my life……love your work.
Thanks to my good mate and CH regular “Max from Australia” I’ve been unplugged for nearly 6 months now. THANK YOU (and Rollo).
This is my first post into the Manosphere.
I’m fast learning to internalize Game and to exude the irrational self confidence needed to pull quality poon on a regular basis.
After unplugging I thought tapping hotter chicks would come really easy, almost like shooting fish in a barrel. It doesn’t happen that way (well not for me anyway).
I’ve read Mystery Method, 60 Years of Challenge, CH posts and archives & Rational Male Year 1 & 2 (multiple times) as well as all Rollo’s archives (yes I know he is not PUA theory) and lots of YaReally blog.
But, even after learning all the theory, the ‘best’ way to gain real confidence is going out in the field and learning then calibrating which Game style works best for you and what doesn’t. Learn from it. Open chicks and get burned. Open some chicks and end up banging them. My point is, the more Gaming (successful or not) will increase your confidence.
The key (especially for us newbies) is consistently force yourself to open sets. Do not hesitate. If you think about it too long you won’t do it or she’ll think your Beta (especially if she gave you IOI’s).
As a 42 y/o Man back in the game and now Red Pill aware (phew) – I look forward to posting field reports of my successes AND failures.
More Confidence = More Poon.
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[…] Is confidence an outcome of validating external factors, or is it an internal mindset that creates its own validation? The feedback loops of male confidence are copious and fluid, so the question is the wrong one. […]
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